The Budget is a Weapon and We’re the Target

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, well, come, welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome home.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is episode eighty six of Native Lampod, where we
give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture.
We have a lot going on in the world right now.
I'm with my co host Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gilliam.
I'm Angela Raie. Y'all, what do you want to talk
about today?

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Well, as you said, Angela, there is a lot going
on in the world in the news today. Budget budget, budget, budget,
budget is top.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Of mind from you right now.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
And I'm also interested in us possibly weighing into this big, big,
big big verdict that came down this week. Maybe we can,
at least amongst the three of us, hope our listeners
sort of navigate this strange land we're in.

Speaker 6 (00:49):
The verdict you're referencing, of course, is the verdict in
the Sean Puffy Colmes trial that came down on Wednesday.
So definitely will join you there. But what I'm most
interested in talking about is our viewer questions, because we
have a few viewer questions this week and we've asked
you how to submit your questions, and I just want
to thank you for taking the time to submit them.

Speaker 7 (01:09):
So we want to get to those.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
And I want to just highlight briefly, or maybe it's
a low light from a low life something that your
president said about how he intends to handle United States
citizens who have committed crimes. Maybe maybe if they've committed crimes.
So we'll get into all of that and much more.
Welcome home, y'all.

Speaker 8 (01:33):
My name is doctor Charity O. Yettojee. I'm a hematologist
and researcher focused on improving care for people with sickle
cell disease. I received a notice on June sixteenth, twenty
twenty five that mikey award a five year, seven hundred
and fifty thousand dollars federal NIH grant to improve care
for people with sickle cell disease as they age was
suddenly and unjustly terminated despite strong scientific evidence and early

(01:56):
proven results. Determination notice stated that research with equity objectives
does nothing to expand our knowledge of living systems and
our quote unquote lower turn on investment and don't enhance health,
and also are harmful to Americans. These statements are inaccurate
and disrespectful for so many reasons. Sickle cell disease is
a painful, life limiting genetic disorder that can be inherited

(02:19):
by people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds around the world.
Sickle cell disease primarily affects black people in the United States.
My research was focused on developing the first and only
functional assessment in the first and only exercise program tailored
to the unique needs of older adose fiscal soul disease
called sickle FIT. Ending this project not only silences promising

(02:40):
solutions for a neglected group of patients, but also sends
a devastating message to future researchers that even life changing,
evidence based science can be discarded without cause. My question
is what can be done to overcome these grant terminations
and how do researchers doing impactful work for underserved populations
find a way forward?

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Thank you, you know.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
The frustrating part about this lady's is the there's already
not enough research done on the diseases that have unique
impact on our community. I'm reflecting on the doctor's question,
which had so many I'm the only I'm the first
and only you know researching in this and will provide

(03:21):
the you know, the first and only to this, and
for that to be just ceremoniously and quite quite quite
harmfully not factually dismantled. It's crazy. As she read some
of the words from the letter that she received, I
was thinking, what AI bought from, you know, from Donald
Trump's government produced this letter as as as filled with

(03:45):
inaccuracies as it was, and I can only imagine the
doctor's frustration. I will just say, and and Angela, you
probably have a more direct, maybe way forward for her here.
But these were dollars that were already appropriated by the Congress.
Remember the Congress is the appropriator in our system of government,

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signed into law by a president. These are dollars that
were already determined to where they were supposed to go.
The government just needed to write the check, send the
direct deposit, whatever it is that they do, and Donald
Trump then held that up. I know that a number
of agencies that have been impacted financially by some of
these early decisions have decided to go to court and

(04:27):
sue to have that money come through for them. I
don't know if that's the route for the doctor or
if there are other suits that she can potentially join onto.
But I believe that there are still grounds here for
litigation and for the third branch of government to help
make some sense of this thing. That how does a

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budget get passed, signed into law, appropriations made, and the
check gets stopped by Donald Trump and never delivered for
the life saving and groundbreaking research that it was intended.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
This administration is doing that all the time. There was
a release that came out this week that said that
the Department of Education withheld school funding to the tune
of six point nine billion dollars that was already allocated
and supposed to be sent from the Department of Education,
which you all know now is you know, in the
works of being dismantled. And I think what's most important is,

(05:24):
as we're on this podcast, the Congressional Black Caucus is
holding the floor through a UC process trying to get
unanimous consent. Is what you see stand for for a
democratic amendment on Donald Trump's budget, which he's named the
Big Beautiful Bill. We've called it the Big Ugly Bill,
We've called it Trump's Bad BBL. All of the things.

(05:44):
We've had a marathon since Monday at six pm Eastern
deconstructing this bill that causes great harm. And what we
need to understand is that one point three trillion dollars
is going to be reallocated from Medicaid and SNAP in
other programs to support people who are considered the least

(06:08):
of these if we are to use biblical terms, and
frankly just moved over transferred to the wealthiest Americans among us,
the top twenty percent. And I think that when you
consider that, when you can no, it's actually people with
less money than that. But when you look at the
gap between the folks who are in six figures and

(06:29):
in the bottom half of that twenty percent and the
folks who are in the lower rung of the economy
making under thirty thousand dollars a year, the bottom twenty percent,
it is astounding. And the gap between the rich import
is only going to be exacerbated by what they're doing
in this bill. And I think the worst thing is,
you know, we keep giving people these high hopes that
we're going to be able to change their minds, that

(06:50):
we're going to be able to appeal to the inner
moral compass of Senator so and so yesterday or sorry,
earlier this week. It was Lisa Murkowski, who we knew
was not going to pivot. And so we keep telling
people if you apply pressure, if you apply pressure, they
will do the right thing. Will they will?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
They?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
There's a list of twenty something members in the House
of Representatives who people have been asked to call. And
I'm at the point right now where I am tired
of asking people to take all of their good intention
attention efforts and put them into a feudal fight for
people who only care about doing what is right for

(07:30):
the people who write them campaign contributions and to appease
Nebuca Nezer who is Donald Trump. They don't care about
anybody else. And I will rather us be very clear
eyed about what we do have. So we've spent just
as much time on this marathon educating about the harmful
impacts of this bill. Do you know how many people
in this country don't even know this is happening? And
it is the most harmful legislation that will be passed

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in our in modern history, in modern history. So we
got to spend just as much. But what does that mean?
Like when we use these terms, people don't know what
the largest transfer of wealth means. It means they are
literally stealing money from programs that will pay doctors so
that your kid who has asthma can be seen even

(08:16):
if you are not on Medicaid. Once the accounts are
we had doctors on talking about this. Once they fiddle
with those accounts and there's no money at this community
health center in Jackson, Mississippi or wherever, and there's no
Medicaid to support that, there's nothing to close that gap.
It shuts down, and we have to be honest with

(08:37):
about that. So instead of all of your efforts being
in call your member, which you still should, ask this
member of Congress to change their minds, soften their arts.
You still should. Maybe the most vulnerable of the GOP
can find some commonality with the most vulnerable Americans. But
if you can't, what is the community resource that already
exists that we can tell people about.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
So the direct advice for the question would be litigation, litigation, litigation,
because I think we're just at a place where folks
are exhausting every available option to them to see the
right thing happen. And the truth is is that if
we had a Congress that was willing to stand up

(09:22):
for its own power, for its own position for its
own voice. On behalf of the six hundred thousand plus
people each member of Congress represents across this country, we
wouldn't have an issue here. Unfortunately, we have feckless members
of the Republican Party who I don't care what the
outlet is. I have watched the media be completely derelictive

(09:47):
late as it has described this budget, giving people the
false hopes that Senator such and such is going to
come in to save the day because the president has
hardliners on the right who are not going to be
for adding this much debt to the to the debt
limit of the country. Not true. I wish that instead
of saying that there will hold out Republicans, that they

(10:10):
would say that there are Republicans who consider themselves holdout,
but in keeping with the last ten votes, they have
caved every single time they have held themselves out there
as being responsive to the citizens that they represent. They're
fully aware that rural hospitals in the states that they

(10:33):
represent are going to shudder, impacting all people. Right, the
majority of this country does not live in highly populated,
urbanized cities. They don't The majority of folks are spread
out all over this vast land, many of them not
with the access to the kinds of tools, resources and

(10:56):
human resources in the form of doctors, nurses, specialists that
they need access to. And if you tell them to
reach those folks over the internet through telemedicine, you're gonna
have to go further to inspect whether or not there
is a strong enough signal of internet in the communities
that they live to get them in touch with a
doctor where a seamless conversation can take place. The fallout

(11:19):
from this build is going to be tremendous, Angela, and
I appreciate you putting, you know again, relight on this.
I do think that pressure does burst pipes. I think
we have to apply pressure, and pressure comes in many forms.
But more than anything, what these members of Congress are
the math that they are doing as they're calculating Donald

(11:40):
Trump and his how do you say, get back evil
spirit to the six to eight hundred thousand of you
who live in their district, and they are choosing the
voice of this one man over all six to eight
hundred thousand of you, and he's saying that this voice

(12:03):
is much more important to me and my future as
an elected official than all of y'all combined, who send
me to Washington in the first place. That's the method
they're doing, and we all ought to be offended and
ashamed that we have members of Congress there representing us
who have no interest in taking our voices to the
floor of the Congress to the will of the Congress,
or by God, representing that voice to their vote.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Really quick, Andrew, I want to just respond to two things. Factually,
we have members of Congress who don't have the majority
and have limited tools, especially on the House side, and
the tools they have they are using or have used
the Magic Minute with Hakim Jeffrey, Yes, unanimous consent, hold up, Yeah, yeah,

(12:49):
very very much so in the minority, even though they
might have the moral majority. But I wanted to say
two things. The first was I just wanted to apologize
to you. I think that I have been so much
in a bubble around the State of the People and
the Power tour that and it was a good, safe,
feel good bubble, you know, completely dissociated with what is happening,

(13:15):
you know, from this mad man like just like was
able to just get out and see how many tools
we have for our care of ourselves. When you kept
bringing up the budget for weeks, that it is something
that we need to talk about, that it is something
we need to talk about. I just had no interest,
you know, and I and I think now in the
eleventh hour, in part because I'm like, he's gonna he's

(13:37):
breaking all the rules and the laws anyway, So like
what difference does it make? And still honestly feel a
little of that, but I know we have a collective
obligation to tell our people what is on the line,
and I don't know if some of it is holdover
from November, just feeling like, well, like, what what use
is it to tell people what to do if they're

(13:59):
not going to do it. If they call their member
of Congress and the member of Congress has a phone
on D and D they literally have their phones on
do that to get to their members, they have to
send a social post. It is a dere election of
duty without absolute dere election of duty. And so I
did want to apologize because I know the public servant

(14:19):
in you would still have us to do the right thing,
which we should do. And so I don't want to
speak for Tip, but I want to say I apologize
because I think that we should have given this time,
probably every week, even if it's just to highlight a
portion of the bill, and I'll say, like, as long
as I have any say in it, I will yield
from now on, even when I am in a bubble

(14:40):
and I'm asking you to please take full permission to say, sis,
I think you're in above on this, we're missing it,
and to sell on the alarm. So I just want
to pologize.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
I don't not necessary because every piece of our labor,
from all of us, and the listeners who are choosing
to touch and engage even to take care during this moment,
are are contributing to what we have to do to sustain.
And so what you were doing with the tour was

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incredibly important to our bigger long term structure of how
do we wake up our communities to know that the
power of the people is greater than the people in power.
That this has to start at that basic of a
level in order for us to to to to suspend
with that belief that what is it all for. He's

(15:32):
gonna do what he's gonna do anyway, because the truth
is this pressure does burst pipes, and there's a there
gonna be some accountability on his side, but don't let
it be us checking out. That is the permission structure
for him doing whatever it is that he want to do.
We're always gonna check in, tap in to make sure
that if you're gonna get there, brother, you're gonna burn

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down every bush, every tree, every limb, run over, every house,
every person to get there. Do you want that record?

Speaker 5 (16:00):
All?

Speaker 8 (16:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah? We have so much more to get into on
the budget. But as you know, if it don't make dollars,
it don't make sense. We gotta pay some bills.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
Yeah, I just want to say quickly Angelus said, do
you want to speak for me? But like Angelus said lastly,
Angelus speaks for me even when we disagree. So I
go those thoughts. I just you know your your former boss, ANGELA.
Congressman Bennie Thompson has been on rural hospitals UH legislation,

(16:40):
supporting rural hospitals for decades, for a really long time.
And we're looking at losing over three hundred and despite
the media constantly saying, you know, rule the white is
silent because they often you know, when they go out
and talk to rule folks, they don't often look like us.
But a significant portion of Black people live in rural areas. Absolutely,

(17:03):
so I think this idea that people are a bit
disengaged and they don't know this is happening.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
This will literally cost lives.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Rural hospitals have I think twenty five acute care beds,
so this means when there's no bed for someone, they
don't have space to be there. If they have to
get airlifted, they may not have the resources to be there.
In terms of reimbursement, they're going to have limited reimbursement
for the hospitals that do remain open. And just with
respect to the budget, you know, I'm at a bit

(17:34):
of a disadvantage here because even this conversation now it's meaty,
it's information. I hope that people got information from what
Angela and Andrew shared. I don't know that people tune
into things like this. You know, if we're going through

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the budget and talking about it, for me, that's something
I want to listen to. I think you do have
to dangle sometimes the salacious in front of people. You
have to make it so simple. And in all of
our bubbles, I think there is.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
A disconnect.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
Sometimes we all are in different bubbles, but there is
a disconnect, and I don't want to like shit on
people who are like I didn't even know the big
bill was happening, But sometimes I do have a frustration.
I would argue most of the country has no idea
that this.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
Bill that's what.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
Yes, they have no idea and they're not tuning in,
and so it's like, how do you find that balance
of giving you know, I mean, news by definition is
informing people of what they need to know and talking
about what they want to know. So striking that balance,
I think the journalism industry and large, as y'all hear

(18:52):
me talk about, has failed because even when I heard
on all the networks this week talking about it, they're
playing this these political games. So you get a Republican
on and you or you get a Democrat on and
you're like, you know, what impact do you think this
will have? Are you trying to play this up to
win mid terms? Are you guys talking attacking Vice President

(19:14):
j d Vance because you think he's gonna run and
you're trying to And it's like, who gives a shit?
This is why people don't know what's going on, because
we're trafficking in this kind of BS. I wanted to
say that about the disconnect because if you guys don't mind,
I want to get to this viewer question, who is
kind of I'm going to relate it back to the
bill and Antel I'm sure you can find a way

(19:35):
to relate it back to the bill because people have
some smoke for me and Angela and I.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Before we get to the viewer question, I just I
want to say, Tiff, I agree with you. This Republican
versus Democrat thing on air is irresponsible, but they are
modeling what they're seeing in Congress. Literally, Lindsey Graham, who's
the chair of the Budget Committee, put out a statement
lying to people about the fact that this would expand

(20:04):
access to Medicaid and medicare that it, you know, hyping
up these these budget cuts and how it's going to
help America's economy and working families. Just blatant lies, to
the point where Susan Collins put out her own statement
seeing what it actually did. They're indirect conflict, so you
don't even have to leave their party to get an
alternative story. The other thing I was going to say

(20:25):
is you said that we need to make it more salacious,
and I.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
Was to say maybe, but that's what worked.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Ye what gets people? That's true? Okay, I got you
Star didn't mean to misquote. So the salations is what
gets people to pay attention. My highest hope is and
it's one of the things we things we've been doing
throughout the marathon, which is still going by the time
we record this podcast. We have asked people to lead
with their who why are you doing this, Who are
you doing it for? Where do they live? What is

(20:55):
their story? Mine was my mom. We were sitting at
my mom just went back to chemo. We went and
I said, Mommy, would you mind being on camera? I
want people to see when Medicare is even just your
supplemental insurance, who this impacts, you know, it impacts a
widespread diverse, you know, economically read from a region. We

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are in Seattle at the best cancer hospital and one
of the best cancer hospitals in the country. My mom's
Medicare is going to be impacted. So I think that
it may not be this relations but it is certainly
the story, and I think that it's something that is needed.
But to move the needle to the point that Andrew
raised about pressure bursting pipes to ensure that people know

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who they're accountable for. Don't let them forget the face.
Don't let them forget the face of who this will hit,
whether it's that child on CHIP, or it is that
elder on Medicare, or it is a person that may
not even poor, don't even know they're on medicaid because
medicaid is called something else in your state. Do not

(21:58):
let them forget. And so again, well Andrew can jump
let me.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
Jump there really quickly and say, you talked about the
child on ship to s O. A few result ship
is the Children's Health Insurance program. A lot of children
will be impacted by that. And Angela, I hear you
saying that they're playing off what's happening in Congress, But
to me, that is the failure. Like you are letting
members of Congress drive the narrative, and members of Congress
should be who you're holding responsible. It doesn't matter what

(22:25):
statement Lindsey Graham put out, like you're you're the reporter,
like you hold him. And I just want to say
something else. We talked about Senator Lisa Murkowski, who is
a Republican representative from Alaska, and I just want to
say she is a feckless, horrid human being. And the
reason I say that is because if maybe you guys

(22:48):
saw this, maybe you did. In a few months ago
she talks about and the media celebrated her for this.
She talked about, well, we're scared, you know, Donald Trump
is in office, and we're scared to do the right thing.
But I Lisa Murkowski will do the right thing. So
this is why what does it say? Don't really matter
to me? And I'm using my language very intentional when

(23:10):
I'm talking about her. One she's taller, and she tends
to be a really disrespectful woman when confronted by the media,
like she CNN's Manu Raju had a confrontation with her
where she was like towering over him. I forget the
reporter's name, but this week a CNN reporter confronted her saying,
you're selling out you know. Senator rand Paul said you're
selling out the American people, or some maybe misquoting that,

(23:35):
and she tried to have a staring contest with him.
And I'm like, you picked the right one, lady, because
I wish I had that microphone. Don't speak first. Let
her stand there and look dumb. So every time you
will hear Lisa mckowski as being like middle of the
road and she can work with Democrats. We heard the
same thing about Susan Collins. They are your typical fifty

(23:56):
three fifty two maga Republicans. Who was I don't like
what Donald Trump does, but I'm gonna vote with his
ass eight ninety nine percent of the time.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
We're never gonna this.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Was Susan Collins one percent because she finally did the
right thing here, but it took a lot of pressure
to the point of what Andrews. She's blooded down so
many times before, so she may have voted for this
fifty fifty fifty. No, I was gonna say fifty percent percent.
Fifty other people, though, voted with Lisa Murkis. This is

(24:28):
my point, including JD band So no matter what, justff
you miss me with the like white woman Bollsted, she's
a hero and she said she's scared and she's doing
the right thing.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
I'm so tired of that narrative. Our our black members
of Congress are pretty much dismissed in all their efforts.
But this random ass I wanted, this random ass see
you next Tuesday, is out here talking out the side
of her neck and gets excuse for it, and it
drives me crazy. Anyway, Andrew, and you lied about a
production timeout, and I.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Just want to camp that you requested now I absolutely will.
This is simply to say, if you think you are
getting away with not feeling the consequences of what is
happening here in the next couple of months or maybe
even the next year, I want you to know that
these savvy ass Republicans decided that they were going to

(25:22):
delay the impacts of cuts. All of the negative impacts
they have backloaded in the bill, which means they have
set for them to take effect immediately following the next
general election in twenty twenty six. So don't think we've
gotten away with anything. They're conniving their willingness to lie

(25:46):
sheet steel. They have only saved themselves, but because they
think we stupid enough not to understand that this thing
is going to have detri mental impacts on all of us.
But they don't want you showing up in November of
twenty two six mad, so they push the effects of
all the tens of thousands, hundreds of you know, tens

(26:07):
of thousands of people that they're going to push off
of health care and the millions billions you would say
that are going to be added to the cost of
those of us who do right now afford our own
insurance and pay for it. All that they plan to
have kick us in the ass right after they compete
to hold the house hold, the Senate, and of course

(26:28):
the presidency isn't up in twenty twenty six. But all
of that they plan to save by kicking the impacts
that are going to hurt all of us the most
to right after the next election.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
All right with that?

Speaker 6 (26:43):
In the er questions with that, let's hear from the
viewer who has some smoke for Angelo and me tas.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Leaving from San Diego?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Money is DJ Johnson?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
And that a question for Angela and from his cross.
Do you guys believe that it could be a fair
critique from some of us that sometimes you talk to
us as if we are stupid or political mild patents.
And I'll use the example of the political the migrant
protests reservations that our guys expressed. But I believe it

(27:14):
was Angela that calls some of us selfish because we're
not super willing to jump into a front line the
protests on the alp of our neighbors. But I remember
both of you doing November after Vice President Harris lost
the election, basically saying that held with the idea of
a rainbow coalition. So do you believe that the echo
chamber that your guys are living in, you believe that

(27:37):
that echo chamber is starting to position you to be
the same people that Malcolm X warned.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Us against in the ballot of the bullet.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I disagree with the show sometime, but I do enjoy it,
and I'll see you nothing but love, thank you.

Speaker 7 (27:50):
I love.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Well.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
We'll get to that, but I just want to say, first,
thank you so much, so much for us admitting that
video question. I just truly we really appreciate when you
take the time to sit down and record a video
and ask us a question. And the reason I wanted
to make sure that we got to it is because
it's a conversation with you guys. We don't mean to
talk at you, and we want to highlight when you

(28:14):
disagree with us and drop us a note and we'll
talk about it. So first and foremost, nothing but gratitude
to you, brother. But to your question, I let Angel
respond because I know he talked about you know your
your rest is selfish. But I just wanted to say,
because Lolo sent us this question earlier, Andrew, can you
please put your computer down?

Speaker 7 (28:34):
Lolo sent us this question.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
Earlier and what I have, but I like he's trying
to I don't get it being distracted anyway, because the
bullets about the ship when Lolo sent us this question,
I did go back and watch, and I don't believe
that I said the Rainbow Coalition is dead. But I

(28:59):
will say, you know, a lot of outlets will ask
me to come on. This thing happened today, you know,
can you Angelie remember how it is in that cable
news rush, you know, like you going about today and
they're like, come on right now and talk about this thing,
or come on tonight, and there is some benefit. I
rarely say yes, because there's some benefit to like sitting

(29:19):
down thinking about it and not jumping out there so
quickly every time something happens. After the election, I was
surprised by the numbers and we're still getting updated data.
Exit poser, notoriously unreliable Pugh just came out with new
voting numbers last week. That Pew Research is an institution
that I trust emphatically, So I don't believe I ever

(29:41):
said to hell with the Rainbow Coalition. My only point
about and I'm not arrogant enough to tell people what
they should or should not be doing. So if I
if I come across that way, it's not my intention.
I am arrogant enough to say what people should care.
And when I see comments from people who are looking

(30:04):
at the government, disappearing people saying we don't care, reminding
our business, my point to you is we do care,
because that will eventually be us. And we've already seen
black people being detained, deported and just trying to give information.
And I respectfully say, I don't know what echo chamber

(30:26):
you're referencing. The only quote from Malcolm X that I
know where he talks about like people in the media
making you like hate heroes, and that's not at all.
I reject the notion that I'm in that kind of
echo chamber. I think all of us, you know, talk
to different people and do different things. If I'm coming
across like I'm talking to me like you're stupid, which
I can do sometimes, I'm sure I don't want to

(30:48):
gaslight you and say I don't do that sometimes quite honestly,
I do think people are dumb. You know, we had
a conversation like that on this. When I see some
of the comments from people, I do think, wow, this
is we are eroding our intellect when I see people,
you know, and it's not that, you know, I don't
criticize people for not caring or I do purtends people

(31:09):
not caring. I don't criticize people for not being engaged
one hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (31:13):
But I do. It is some level of frustration.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
It is looking at society at large that seems to
be giving a shoulder shrug and taking selfies and you know,
just not really engage the way that we once were.
So yeah, I hear you. I take all your point.
And I was never trying to say go out there
and protest, go out there and be on the front lines.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
My only notion was.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
We have to give a fuck like we just do.
It's our humanity, it's our fellow human beings, and whatever
acts is swinging is going to eventually hit us. So
that's all, brother. But I appreciate you say, and you
know your disagreement. I really do, Andrew laughing, But I
want to hear from Angela first, and then let Andrew
try to shake I already feel anyway, Anzela.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well he started off on the wrong foot with me
because he said Angela and miss Frost what first of all, yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:12):
Right, homing with you?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Now, well, he's gonna welcome not home, because I'm trying
we either everybody welcome home or nobody is dan. But
you know, I gotta say, I'm irritated by this question
because I don't I don't ever mind a disagreement, but
let it just be rooted in fact, right, Like you
are entitled to your feelings, You're entitled to your perspective,
You're entitled to your human story. What you're not about

(32:36):
to do is put no words in my mouth, friend, Like,
we're just not gonna do that. So I never called
you to the front line of a protest. Why, brother,
I ain't there neither. I'm not on the front lines
of a protest right now. I don't know what's gonna
happen to us on the front lines of a protest.
I am engaging in community work, and you're invited there.
You've been invited there every single week at State of
the People. If you came to one of the places

(32:57):
where we've toured if you if you tuned in online
to a live stream of one of the events we've done,
if you tuned into the National Assembly, you would know
that Malcolm X's daughter was at the event speaking and
endorsing what we're representing. So clearly we're not that far
off of what our daddy represents. Friend, So I just
I'm not really sure mister dj' what you're talking about.

(33:22):
You're certainly welcome to always submit your commentary. You don't
need an Apple laptop shield as Andrew is putting up.
You kild no walls for you, or are LATINX brothers
and sisters. And here's what I'm also going to tell you.
It's already coming to your front door. And this is
why we told you we thought you should care. This

(33:44):
is why we wanted you to pay attention. This is
why we wanted you to not turn a blind eye
to the suffering of our neighbors. Because of this right here,
let's roll the clip.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
We also have a lot of bad people that have
been here for a long time. People that whack people
over the head with a baseball, bad from behind when
they're not looking and kill them. People that knife you
when you're walking down the street. They're not new to
our country. They're all to our country. Many of them
were born in our country. I think we already get
them the hell out of here too. We had some
bad accidents in New York and they're not accidents. They

(34:15):
were done very much in purpose. People being pushed into
a subway just before it arrives going forty miles an hour,
and they're ten feet away from where the thing is
to get pushed right into the face of the subway train,
get whacked and killed. And these are sick people. I'd
like to get them out of here too.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
So I'm running that clip, and I want y'all to
weigh in here, because this is the very thing we're
talking about. In one of our black papers. We got
a black Papers policy initiative. It's called from dread Scott
to Deportations. And for those of you who are listening
at home and don't know, dread Scott challenged his right

(34:54):
to be a citizen in this country. I believe the
case was in maybe he was born in seventeen fifteen,
I don't know, before slavery was over and he had
been free, was moved to another state where he would
not be free anymore. Dred Scott was told in the
Supreme Court decision that he was not a citizen because

(35:16):
he was enslaved, and therefore he could not be a citizen.
And so birthright citizenship, which we all have because of
the Fourteenth Amendment, is now being challenged on every side
by this administration. The fact that this man is talking
about deporting people who are criminals, and let's be super
super clear about the fact, because some of y'all might

(35:37):
be silly enough. TIP might think you you're dumb. I
might think you're silly. Some of y'all might be silly
enough to think, well, if they're a criminal, that can go. Well,
how many of y'all if you're honest and you throw
your bias out the window, know you have someone who's
incarcerating your family, one of your friends. We all know
someone who's been wrongfully accused. So Donald Trump saying that
someone committed this crime does not make it so.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
This country has a pattern in practice and deep treacherous
history of saying that black people committed crimes they did not.
In fact, the National Registry of Exonerations and Your report
says nearly sixty one percent of exonaies are black, they're
exonerated because they did not commit the damn crime. So

(36:22):
I want to be clear when I say, we know
that deportations could also apply to citizens, and those citizens
would look like us. Why, because we're just as other
as the Asian. We're just as other as the indigenous person.
We're just as other as our Latino brothers and sisters.
So maybe I was mad at the Rainbow Coalition, but
goddamn it, we need each other now because the math

(36:43):
on math. So get on board. Now.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
Let me just say back to the viewer again, we
just want to thank you for submitting your question. Even
when we disagree, we definitely respect Miss Cross. Thanks you well. Yes,
I thank you for taking the time to listen to
our show and to submit a question, because if you
didn't tune in and care enough to submit that, we
wouldn't be here.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Listen away.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
He said specifically about your quote, saying that your rest
is selfish, and he said that we were suggesting that
people should be on the front lines of protests, which
perhaps I did not know, but he wasn't saying like
he said, we suggested it. And so I think to
be fair and respectful to him, perhaps it did come
across like that's what I was saying, and I just

(37:27):
wanted to clarify it to him. Yeah, but he didn't
name you. He named you, but yeah, but she's Misscross.
I'm Angela you but even even so, I just want
to you behind that wall. I just want to well,
I think I remember that episode. So many people were
a lot of people were agreeing with you Andrew and

(37:49):
disagreeing with Angela and me. So I honored that, I
do you know, I maintained my position and that we
have to care. But I honored the disagreement and not
don't want the viewer to think that we're just you know,
like f you you ain't agree, Like no, we we
hear you, and thank you for articulating your disagreement. And
just to clarify because if you I think a lot

(38:11):
of people probably felt that we were suggesting that because
people even the comments, they were like, I'm not going
out to protest, and that's not what we were suggesting.
And just for the record, Angela and I were having
a conversation.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
To uh.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
I think we were in Miami, and I was talking
about if people come up to us to say things
and about the other and Angela made a point like
they better not they better not say nothing about the
co host, blah blah, and the comment. There were many
comments that were saying, honestly, guys, it would be disrespectful
to Angela to go go up to her to say
something bad about Tiffany.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
And I was like, but it's not dispicable to meet.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Up all they made you too. They know that's a
given to you. That's the same way where he was.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
Like, and I think he was saying that, like you
my girl, like I feel you and let me take you.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think he puts some respect on your name. And
I'm still mad at him because I don't know what
a malcau sent means.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Content?

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Is that what he said? Okay? But I thought I thought.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
He said arguing with me for the video?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
What do he thanks? You know, miss Cross? Thanks you
for your video. I'll thank you when you come back
with and do come back, but do come back, welcome home.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
I don't know all these hating comments that y'all get,
but I know what. I'm in the grocery store. These
folks woke me and say, do you think I could
get an autograph of of Tiffany and Angela. It's a
good thing. I love these women like you should, and
that's for mine. Ain't knowing you great, know that what's
great is honestly y'all get a lot of love around
here like I love. But Tiffany and angel those my girls.

(39:58):
That my girls.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
So Tiffany, what he's not telling you is in Jackson,
I almost got ran out of Toogaloo because Andrew left
without telling me her didn't somebody want somebody follow you.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
We had to revisit that. She put me in a
situation and then I got the blind But listen, one
more topic.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Do we have time.

Speaker 7 (40:30):
We're going to talk briefly about the Diddy trial.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
And I think we're talking about this because this is
such a monumental decision that was not I think as
a community, we didn't look at it just about Diddy,
but collectively how we navigate the Me Too movement, the
criminal justice system, our community, just just everything. I think
Angela made a good point earlier that is this a distraction?

Speaker 7 (40:57):
We have this huge bill half and it's breaking news.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
You know that the verdict came down in the Ditty case,
and I respect your opinion. Angel You know like, I
don't want to talk about that, because that's you know
what is the real impact of this bill has a
more devastating impact on all of us than this Didty trial.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
But we're going to talk about it a little just because.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
You know, Andrew, you I'm curious your thoughts as a man,
but I will say as a woman, I did not
listen to every detail of this trial. I didn't read
every detail. I couldn't stomach the details. But I will
just say, and I hope that our viewers can honor
me and give me a little bit of grace in
this because I have not had a lot of time
to process and really think about this. But it's really

(41:47):
challenging for me to wish for a black man to
spend the rest of his life in prison. It just
is like it feels uncomfortable to celebrate sending a black
man to the white man's prison. I also balanced that
with the incredibly monstrous, heinous, disgusting behavior that we saw

(42:11):
that was detailed before us, and from a legal perspective,
which I don't understand at all. I was telling these
guys earlier, I was asking, like all the lawyers, like
how do you feel on people are like, I know,
trial lawyer, like you should ask the trial lawyer because
I was like, what about this and did they make
the reco case? And they're like, yeah, I don't really
do that. So I didn't have a chance to get
a lot of response from trial lawyers about this. But

(42:37):
I just I'm just trying to balance like, yes, I
feel so like, yes, this man, they made the case that, yes,
this man was a monster to these women. I don't
know if we start locking up monsters for lifetime sentences.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
I just I don't know how I feel about it.
It looks like did he will serve some jail time.
I think the most important thing to keep in mind
are the victims, the people who were victimized by him.
A lot of people you know, who were sexual assault
victims themselves have come out, written up eds shared their

(43:17):
thoughts on the way they felt he was grooming Cassie.
A lot of people on the other side felt like, well,
they were complicit because they were setting it up, which
I think is such a shitty thought to have, to
be honest with you. People are so quick to attack
women and you know, or attack Cassie for not leaving,
but not attack Diddy for being a monster in these cases.

(43:40):
So I'm just I guess I'm okay. It doesn't really
matter if I'm okay because I'm not the victim here.
I think, you know, again, the victims are who matters.
But I wasn't one of those people that's like, send
him to jail forever. I just I don't know how.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
To deal with that.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
He will get out of prison. We never make another dime.
He you know, he's on some level, I'm going to
have a punishment, and I just I just hope y'all
give me a little bit of grace because obviously I
support women, and you know, there were black women who
he harmed as well, So I stand with allegedly, thank

(44:20):
you allegedly.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Well, there is what we have and by the way,
also admitted to you by his attorneys, and if that
were around domestic abuse, that may have been a different story.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
And I'm in no way defending any of that behavior.
I would never as a woman, as a black woman,
I'm not defending that at all. All I'm saying is
I'm never going to be a person that celebrates sending
our folks to prison. That's not to say what he deserves.
I just don't feel like I'm the arbiter of who
deserves what you.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Know, and I can't.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
We are, though, I mean our justice system, which we
are not right very well represented in. We are not
what you were expressing, Tiffany around just sort of the
nuance and the conflict that exists within your being is
I think you're calling out something that all of us,
and I would just say, very specifically, I think black

(45:21):
folks experience in these kinds of high profile cases that
center black men, and even if it were a black women,
but largely what we've seen, you know, you know, let's
go back to Bill Cosby. A lot of us were like, Okay,
maybe I don't know what happened, but if some wrong happened,
I can't understand why I can't watch the Cosby Show anymore.

(45:41):
I can't understand why I can't say no, right. But
but you remember networks took it off. I remember there
were all these apps you could no longer access it.
I remember telling my own personal story of being motivated
when to go to college because of what was exampled
and what was modeled there and to be able to
separate the the the personality of character on television from

(46:06):
the man or the woman in real life. I mean,
there are black actors and actresses that I've been around,
and I have referred to them by the most popular
role that I remember they played.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Right, Comfortable, has nothing to do with Bill Cosby.

Speaker 10 (46:21):
Correct, Right, and then and then blame us for wanting
to still watch television from it.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Right. We know that in certain instances where we may
have felt intuitively that a person may have been guilty,
but we're also pleased that we didn't turn them over
into a lifetime of the heinous system created quite frankly
just for us.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
Because you brought it up be injury even in the
Bill Cosby case, like, yes, this man likely harmed women.
You know the evidence support did it fine. However, legally
he did he they lied to him. If you tell me,
you testify and I'm gonna give you immunity, you won't
be charged with this. And then you turn around and
charge like then, yes, you do have to let him

(47:14):
out of jail. That is the way the legal corrupt system,
right it.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Is, And I think at the bottom, at the soul
of this is a lot of suspicion around corruption. I
will tell you when I saw the charges, and I
didn't pay any attention. I have to tell you to
the trial. I didn't read the news on it. It
just wasn't. Unfortunately, it wasn't at the medium level or
any level for that matter of of of of what

(47:40):
I was putting attention on. That's not to say that
it wasn't larger in our culture, very important for for
what was exposed. But I do remember when the charging
document came down, the indictment came down, and I kept thinking, one,
let me just say out loud, I am highly suspicious,
suspicious of the federal all systems of justice, but the

(48:01):
federal system of justice very particularly. Okay, I've been on
the other side of that. I've read indictments that included
wholesale lies, the whole goddamn thing, all twenty however pages
of it. But folks who were in the streets were
reading it like it was a you know, a production
of the local newspaper fact check and you know, wholly accountful,

(48:22):
accounted for. And then the judge says, you realize that
that is their opinion of what they believe occurred. And
then there is what the defendant says, what is and
has occurred, and in this court room, I'm going to
tell you what you can and cannot listen to and
what you can and cannot consider when you go back
to deliberate this decision. When I saw racketeering, I my

(48:46):
understanding of it. I didn't. I was like, oh, well, hey,
good luck and proving this big, grand scheme enterprise. And
then I thought back to my charge. Which shit, I
they excuse me of having a grand scheme of an
enterprise and with so much time to orchestrate in mummy
people all over the place to ward my benefit of

(49:07):
thirty thousand dollars. I guess that's what they thought, you know,
And I don't want to compare the two from a
fact pattern. I'm simply saying where my suspicion of the
judicial system begins is it began long before my own experience.
With my own experience was a true testament to the
fact that these folks know how to tell a story.
That's what I knew. And then there are no no no.

(49:30):
I mean then the things that we know and we
see with our own eyes that we can make judgment about.
So when we think about the Cassie video, for instance,
and how we felt inside, and how we deplored that,
and how we believe that there are to be a consequence. Well,
guess what, prosecutors, maybe in a state where you can
prosecute domestic violence and the statue of limitations doesn't exist,

(49:52):
which in many states, those statues of limitations on such
crimes were lifted during the height of the me too era.
And that's one thing, But you you got you wanted
this jury to believe that this whole enterprise was set
up to achieve a thing. The other thing that really
bothered me about what I have assessed from the very

(50:14):
peripheral look that that that that I've taken out this least,
which is all of the loading up. If I read
one more thing about baby oil, I wanted to puke.
Because what it does is it takes individuals lifestyles and
then conflates it with other what what what is truly

(50:34):
justifiable legal wrongdoing? And then the idea is to then,
because it is not like what we do, It is
not very familiar to what you and your house and
your household and and what your experiences have been. It
is wrong, it is deplorable, it is illegal, it is
a moral, it is all these things and I'm thinking,
this ain't gosh to do with the thing that is

(50:57):
being accused, And so you've now bought in all of
this stuff to make me muddy and dirty and not
like you and not publicly acceptable, so that people distance
themselves in such a way that they're never going to
see my humanity when they go back into a jury box,
into a jury room for deliberations. Again, this is yes

(51:20):
about the puppy case. This is also mostly about the
greater criminal justice system, and largely a system that happened
that cooperates to make something look a certain way, to
introduce certain evidence, to introduce certain voices and perspectives, so
that in a jury room those things get taken in
And because I don't understand it, it must be wrong,

(51:43):
because it's out of the society's mores mores, it must
be wrong. And so that stuff, I just think, if
you got a case.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Bring it clean.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
If you've got a case you're accusing me of a
set of things, bring your evidence. You bring it clean
through the door. And when they try to get to fancy,
when they try to do too much, they underestimate the
value of I think considerate people sitting in a room
looking at the instructions that they have to follow and

(52:15):
arriving at a decision, and in our system of justice,
that decision is a binding one.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
I just think it's a different though. Like I hear you,
and I think if we suspend, if we're not talking
about city, then you know.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
We can close too.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
But yes, but I don't know.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
I think what went into this case was a lot
of his own displayed behavior. I think legally, yes, you're
making a point about the justice system, but also I
don't know that I can say that he's the victim
in this.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
You know, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
I know, I know you are not calling him a victim.
But the way you're speaking about the justice system, I'm
making a clear distinction that you're talking about the justice system.
And then there is the ditty case where there were
some flaws and the charges that they brought. I just
think this gets kind of to our conversation we had
last week or the week before about protecting black men

(53:17):
or protecting us really, but you know, the conversations about
protecting black men. When we start to protect black men
to the harm of women, that's when it's a challenge.
And I do see so many comments, particularly when the
Cassie video first came out, all these women just shit
on her and it was like, oh, she lying, and
she waited to now bring it up, and I don't

(53:38):
believe her. And then the video came out in the
New York Times article read like a time stamp of
that video. And then most people's opinions change. But there
were still people, and I would say it's probably less
than one percent of women. Maybe their comments just the
toxicity of it all right to the top. But still
the people who are saying, well, they were into it,

(53:58):
and well they were setting it up and they did this.
Who gives the shit, you know, Like that doesn't make
him the victim in a situation where he was being
a monster to these women. Like I just I get
a little frustrated with that or even the idea. I
had a friend who I won't name out of respect

(54:18):
for his privacy, but a friend who had similar accusations,
and he was my friend, and I could honestly say
to him privately, like, yeah, I think you made some
fucked up decisions here, and I think you did cause
these women some harm. But I could also say yeah,
and I also think it's an attack on them like
trying to get you. That doesn't excuse you or the

(54:41):
harm that you cause these women, And I don't know.
I think that's where I am. You know, the verdict
came out this week, and like I said, I would
just ask the audience for some grace as we're working
through this. I don't want anybody to misunderstand and think
that I'm sitting here trying to defend Diddy.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
I don't believe Andrew's trying to do that. I think
You're simply pointing out flaws in the justice system and
the complicated perceptions we can have when it comes to
these types of charges being brought, for one to anybody,
and to the women who are harmed. I mean, you know,
there were black women, like I said, who he harmed,
and other people anecdotally who I know who have had

(55:23):
incidents that I won't share because you know, I'm not
a reporter. I wasn't reporting on this and it would
be a responsible for me to say so. But enough
people anecdotally who have had really negative experiences with him,
and so if there's a message, I would just say,
I hope that a lot of these men with money
and power change their behavior and know like these incidents

(55:45):
it's you know, from freak offs to like all these
things just change your behavior.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
What a conversation is just hating up, but we gotta
pay some bills.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Sketch on the other side.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Right now, we are wrestling out loud with our thoughts,
feelings and emotions that don't always fit congruent with each other.
I mean, I'm sensing conflict all over my own thoughts
about some of this right, And I don't have to
have proximity to a woman to know what is right

(56:27):
and wrong and how you treat a person period. I
don't that that doesn't have to be my context achieving
a black woman or somebody else that it No how
do you treat If you hit my son across the
face right unprovoked, you gonna have some issues with me.
So I'm again, I'm talking about my situation unprovoked.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
This is that and the third.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
But there are also people who conclude, you know what,
adults make adult decisions. I believe and I trust adults,
consenting adults to be able to sit together and to
arrive at a thing that they want to do, and
to do it willingly betwixt each other and I don't
have room to make excuses for the various motivations of
why right, there are folks who would, you know, barrel

(57:12):
this whole decision down on one person's actions and completely
excuse the actions of another. There are some of us
who you know, do the reverse for a different party.
And likely the scenario is is that, you know what,
a bunch of bad decisions got made by a bunch
of people. And now what we are considering, however, is

(57:35):
not a bunch of bad decisions, but when those decisions
crossed a legal line that is provable, that should then
result in the legal consequences and penalties. So say a
jury of your peers, and a jury of peers went
to the courthouse and they reckoned with these questions. They

(57:58):
gave weeks time away from their family and their jobs,
and they listened. They took it in, unlike me who
had to operate on this from whatever left off the
pages of the Internet, which is certainly not the reflection
of all the things that go down in that room.
So I have to trust and believe that those folks
did what was merited of them. That can still result

(58:21):
in us having a very wide different set of opinions
about how this thing to have come down. In all truth,
I really have issues with a lot of this whole thing,
and I'm trying to be able to sense this through
a lens that is outside of just my own, but

(58:44):
my own experience weighs heavily on how I see the
system and all parts of it and all of us
who have to cooperate in it. If there was wrongdoing
done on behalf off, did it? You heard the attorneys
for him say, my client did wrong and if you

(59:06):
were probably on this we give way to that issue.
And you have folks on the other side who made
accusations and claims that suggested otherwise, and that all had
to be ferreted through. What I hope the takeaway is
from us for many, You know, for folks, one is
have the conversation and a safe enough environment where you

(59:27):
feel like you can be completely honest with where you are,
how you got there, and you don't make silly excuses
about why it is a thing went away. A thing
went without having scrutinized it, without having interrogated it enough
for yourself, because that just leads to a perpetuation of

(59:48):
a bunch of behaviors that we all as a society
need to suspend with. I also hope that people will
lower their judgment radar a little bit, meaning your judgment
on other people, and determine that just because a thing
isn't my thing doesn't make it an illegal thing or

(01:00:09):
a bad thing for that matter. So I am going
to withhold judgment on whether group sex is a bad
thing or a good thing, and just state that group
sex took place. And if in law and your state
they prosecute you for group sex, then write the damn crime,
bring me the evidence, put that before a jury and

(01:00:30):
its admissible form, and let them decide. But if you're
going to swing from the rafters on your charging document
and you're going to bring things toward me that I
know and most reasonable people could conclude did not occur,
you have to deal with that as well. And I
blame in some ways on this on the prosecution, the
fact that there are going to be parts of this

(01:00:52):
narrative that are going to be understood by whole groups
of people and draw them to the conclusion that my
life is not as important that my gender renders me
subjugate to a man, or from a man's perspective, that
you know what, it doesn't matter what you really did,

(01:01:14):
because you're forever going to be burdened by what they
said you did and you'll always be judged through that lens.
So there are a lot of offenses that can be
taking place here, a lot. I just think we ought
to be able to have a reasonable conversation, admit that
we don't know what the complete and the right answers are,
and to also say that we can have contradictions in
our thoughts and our feelings based off of how we

(01:01:36):
approach a thing through what lens by which we see it.
But I'll tell you this, I don't see any winners.
There are no winners here. I think there's a lot
of hurt and pain that folks are going to have
to process. And that's what makes this conversation one that
is conversation worthy because it's implications reached beyond just the
parties involved. They send me a message to a whole

(01:01:57):
group of people that the people were involved in implicated
here will never know the names of where they live,
where they come from, or their stories.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Well, I hear all that, Andrew. I just wanted to
say he was not just charged with having group sex
but I.

Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
Know, I know, I know what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
I just I'm I completely one hundred percent understand you.
I'm making this point for the audience because I don't
want the audience to misunderstand what you're saying. And sometimes
in our nuance, I think people aren't necessarily capable of wrapping.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Their arms around nuance.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
My thoughts are with the victims, the survivors of some
of this terrible behavior, and not just the people that
did he victimize, but all survivors of people who were
victimized in this way. Again, I have you know, we
love our black men, but not to the extent where

(01:02:56):
I'm willing to let black women get harmed and say
nothing or defend the abuser in favor of him and
not my sisters who have been abused.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
So I'm to evaluate this case based off of the
individuals involved in the individual's actions, rather than them be
a representative of all black men or of black women.

Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
Yeah, and again, this is not this is not about
all black men. You know, this is you know, No, no,
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
And this is why I wanted to say that, Tiff,
because I think this is how folks, this is how
we all end up squaring off. Yeah, and going to
the corners is when it is excusing bad behavior black
man at the risk of the lives, livelihoods, well being
a black woman. It is somebody or somebody's made bad

(01:03:50):
decisions that have hurt you know this or that, right
you name it. I'm leaving it blank because we all
got listeners who feel a different way. Name where you
feel that offense took place, but that's the perpetrator by name,
that's the victim by name, vice versa, and let that
be that. I don't want us to What I know

(01:04:14):
often happens is the projection of the actions and because
a person fits that profile, that the action is taken
by the person of that profile reflect on everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
Yeah, Matt, I think that's a fair fair point to make.

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
And I again, it's so hard trying to have these
conversations and you know, in a very careful way. But
I also don't want black men to feel admonished. Here
we're talking about Diddy and other people like how you
who engage in shitty behavior and the women who they harm.
This is not casting a dark shadow over all black men. Obviously,
you know, we have an amazing black man on the

(01:04:48):
show with us, and you know.

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
Most black men do not behave in this.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
Manner, but we thought it important to at least talk
about this and have some sort of guided discussion around
what's happening. Is you guys are trying to navigate your space,
so Nick has been telling us the rap.

Speaker 7 (01:05:04):
So we do need to.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
Talk about what we want to talk about on the
minibod and give people calls to action. But thank you
Andrew for your perspective on that, because I thought I
just appreciated your nuanced perspective on the criminal justice system
and what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
We are noting that some of the accusations made against
Sean Combs are yet to be proven in the court
of law.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
I guess my call to action, know is, you know,
I feel a little bit. I guess I'm growing exhausted
with the attacks on black women and this, you know,
the d D case services a lot of that. Most
black men in my life are amazing, wonderful human beings.

(01:05:52):
They look at these, you know, people in the among
the podcast bros, and you know, the mana sphere with
great condocents that they don't you know, have a healthy
relationship with black women from their moms, to sisters, to partners,
et cetera. So I think I would ask that we

(01:06:14):
just laid off black women, you know, like and that
goes to our brethren. I'm not appealing to white folks,
so because I just don't know if that even matters.
You know, we've been made the enemy of the country,
but it also goes to other black women, you know.
I think these comments about you know, what women should

(01:06:34):
have done and how women are, I think it's so
self hating and fucked up. So yeah, my request would
be to offer grace. That's my CTA. Be careful with
that digital anonymity. When you're shitting on someone else's experience
or just saying something ugly, if you wouldn't say it
to that person's face, then don't type in a comment

(01:06:56):
because other survivors see you uh and they hear that,
and it discourages people from coming forward to give their
testimony about it. So that's my CTA. I kick it,
see you brother h If you don't, I.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Don't have one other than to say happy fourth.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
And if you're spending it out, be safe. I do
mean that I sound dredged like. I like that it
took a hard time. I do mean I wish people
to be safe, good, good, any time and be safe.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Okay, that's a good one.

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