June 13, 2025 • 18 mins
Did Elon Musk just revive the ‘stolen election’ conspiracy?
Two of y'all sent in questions about a recent tweet of Elon Musk's where he says, "Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate... Such ingratitude." The tweet fanned the flames of a conspiracy theory claiming that Musk hacked the voting machines or influenced the election illicitly (beyond the hundreds of millions of dollars that he legally dumped into Trump's campaign).
Hosts Angela Rye and Andrew Gillum take a peak at the Musk-election fraud conspiracy theory and chat about their views on conspiracy theories more broadly.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Hey, what's going on?
Native Land family?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
This is Derek.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Can you up from Mindy. We'll be read Indiana, Blue
Dot Indy. My handle is sash Direwolf eighty one and
Blue Sky And I don't listen to that many outlets
between you guys, Abbie, Don, Laurie, Karen, and Joy. That's
about it. But I've been getting a lot of chirps,
a lot of articles have been coming my way about
(00:35):
how this selection has been solen, tampered with or whatnot.
And I've been thinking it all along. I've been thinking
that he was silently thinking it but not saying much
about it. So my only question is, can we talk
about it just for a little bit without even coming
down as some conspiracy theories that the right wing is
going to run with, Because this is serious and we
(00:56):
still matter, So can we talk about.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Us up Native pot Land. I am so glad to
be home with y'all. Y'all just don't know what y'all
do to my spirit.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Y'all just don't know. I was man, we need we
needed y'all.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
First, let me say that so I know y'all see
what's going on between Elon and his boyfriend Donald Trump,
and I am I think in Angela. With your degree,
I hope you can correct me. Elon's basically when he's tweeted,
(01:34):
you wouldn't be in the White House if it wasn't
for me, he's basically.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Confirming that the election was fraudulent.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And the other part, So when does the investigation begin?
How does investigation begin? Is there anything that we, as
voting or I'm sorry, paying taxpayers can do to call
to get an investigation started? Because yeah, is is spelling tea.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I don't like him.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I still don't like him, but he's spilling the tea
that we need to get that that.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That man out the house. This administration is a joke.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
It's it's really I just I just don't know what
else to say.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But again, I love y'all.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I love y'all so much, and thank you for everything
that you do for our community.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Keep going, keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Please, I love her spirit.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I just this is one I just want to take
a little pause just to say, you guys, I need
y'all to understand something for me. In the Black National Anthem,
the last line says, true to our God, true to
our Native Law. The podcast Native Land Pod, it is
(02:48):
not Native Pod.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
To correct me on the name of the tour. The
whole time, my heart is with it still, their heart
is with it. Their heart is with it.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's okay, you know what I'm My favorite tour name
was when Mayor raz And shout out to Mayor Raths
who for running a very good race in New Jersey.
I hate the outcome. I just knew he was going
to get a boost from everything that's happened and looking
like he was the actual opposition leader. But Andrew, can
I just say he said on the tour, he said,
I went to newer He was like, hey, everybody, welcome
(03:20):
to the State of the People, to the State of
the People, Power, State of the People, to the all
Power to the People tour.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I was like, what, I like the People tour.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But yes, it's Native Lamb Pod. So this is the
Native Lamb Pod Mini.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Pad for the Native Pod of the Land.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Wow, Andrew, that doesn't behoove you to troll your own podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
No, I'm not offended.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It's a conspiracy. I believe happened is Andrew paid this
one to submit.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
This fell her energy. I felt the love that she
has from.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
She was recording video with the child in the car, like.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Which I'm also loving. I got and they're not always obedient,
and it's all good. It's all good, Okay. So what
we missed some of I missed some of the dimes.
I guess that were dropped by Elon because I really
despise him, and I despise the person he was fighting with.
You know, I couldn't even I can't even conceptualize the
(04:19):
enemy of my enemy as my anything but enemy. So
they're all enemies to me. So I missed the dimes.
What were the dimes?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So here's the thing. So Elon Musk and Donald Trump
have been fighting. You know, two egos just can't rest together,
Like at some point that wounded ego leadership is going
to clash. We saw that happening along the way. And
I think that the issue that people are bringing up
(04:50):
is Elon Musk's overhanded involvement in the outcome of the election.
What we know is he spent two hundred and fifty
million dollars in his as an America America pack save
America pack, whatever that pack is called. But he spent
all this money in the election and basically paid for
his role arguably right in this in this Trump administration
(05:15):
to have an office in the on the White House
complex and now these two folds is fighting.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
But did he say you wouldn't be in the White
House without me?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Because I think that's what That's what I had heard
the last questioner say it was.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think Nick is going to put the tweet up.
So he says, without me, Trump would have lost the election,
Dims would control the House, and the Republicans would be
fifty one forty nine in the Senate. And then he
says that that's pretty specific, such ingratitude it is. But
he doesn't say that he engaged in election fraud. He
(05:53):
doesn't say the thing that some of us have been wondering, like,
you know, these satellites he's doing, can they interfere with
the machine means? You know, is there.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Even go into detail? He simply said without me, Yeah.
And then there's some pretty specific statements here, which is the.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
The Dims would have won that House and that it
would have been a fifty one forty nine Republican leg.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So how do you get that specific saying Republicans would
have still won the Senate but that the vote would
have been forty one fifty one. That's just a level
of specificity that we don't often hear which states would
have gone differently, right, I mean, I'm trying to read
(06:37):
it time like.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You're ready to sit on the Senate and the Senate
das and a Judiciary committee and do a hearing.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I'm going I just want to know where he's where
he's driving these numbers.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You should pretend like you're a senator and let me
be Ela Musk.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, I don't want to. I honestly, I told y'all
for the listening public. I said to Angela. I think
she already knows I hate a conspiracy. I hate one
mostly because the world is screwed up enough as it is.
Why do we have to go a layer beneath it's
screw ity to screw it up.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
We know you always make it up. But so here's
the thing, brother, So here's I think for me, it
never felt right right Like, it never felt right. Yeah,
it never felt right, And I told you this before,
but it felt the same way to me. Maybe not
as bad, but very similar to me as it did
(07:32):
in your election. I'm still there's nothing anyone in Florida
can do to convince me that Ron DeSantis won that
election fair and square. They like patently refused to count
some ballots. There were ballots in post offices in Florida
that they just would not count.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Again a place I can't allow myself.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
To say, Okay, well, I'm sorry, let's go back to.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Now, just to say that it is a difficult enough
thing to have to deal with all of the blow
back from that whole thing, to feel assured in one
way and validated in one way, and then it turns out,
you know, not so, and then who's governing and how
(08:19):
bad are the folks that you fought for and stand
for are suffering under that governance? Right? And so I
have to deal with I think we all have to
deal with. Okay, once an election has been certified and
this is the outcome, unless there's some pretty pretty pretty
compelling and rich stuff to go with and a place
to then have that all fought out and decided, there's
(08:44):
no place to go but kind of where we are.
So I have a hard time with, you know, with
conspiracy theories, because I don't know where we can cure
this thing at this point. If it didn't go right
as relates to the presidency, we know it didn't go
right from our votes right, like we like, this wasn't
the person we wanted. I get it. Yeah, but once
(09:05):
that person is seated in an office and the cure
period is over, what other point is there to going
down the road when it can't be reversed anymore? It
can't be there's there isn't an outlet by which this
thing can be reversed at this point. Yeah, so's our
time going down the aisle.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, I guess. I guess sometimes it's good to know
for your peace of mind, Like you know how you
have those moments in life where you're like, yes, am
I crazy? I'm not crazy? Am I crazy?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Look when the lev Parness texts started coming out and
that kind of thing, like there were things that I
thought that I knew and then now they were validated. Yeah,
because there was a splinter there for these people that Yeah,
he was the Russian oligarch guy who came in throwing
money around. He and Rohnda Santis find themselves in really
(09:57):
close relationship. He then becomes the go between between DeSantis
and Rudy Giuliani, and then you know DeSantis saying, well,
I really think he ought to you know, you ought
to tweet about this investigation and uh, you know, get
justice to do this is that and the third and
all that stuff that's coming out there. I'm like, I
knew they were in cahoots all along. There were denials
(10:20):
all throughout, but I knew I kind of had a
thing that this thing was happening the way that I
thought it was. So to later find out once left
partners got indicted and they would he was split up
with Trump and split up with Dessantas and he starts talking.
I started feeling some ways validated, but the election was
not going to change. I was not going to become
(10:41):
governor as a result of what was coming out. But
it did feel good to know that I didn't I
wasn't crazy. Yeah, And so maybe some of this is
is that maybe we need to know that we're not crazy.
But I do think different than my race. Elon Musk
right wasn't in there, and that kind of money wasn't flowing.
His connection to all of this kinds of technology and
(11:02):
stuff that we probably won't ever know about was known,
but what he said with regard to the fifty one
forty nine is something to me. I want to know
what states he thought would have gone differently, and why
is he convinced that those states would have gone differently
if it had it not been for him? What did
he do? What certainty do you have?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Do you know what might be a good point to
just think about with it. I understand your position on
the conspiracy theories and like floating concepts and ideas without
hardcore facts, like I actually hate that, but I think
there's a difference between a conspiracy theory that's infused with
some discernment and intuition. I do. And then I also
(11:55):
think ag part of what they like the questions help
us get to is you know, when you're a kid,
you learn about justice is like, this is not fair, right, right?
So at the heart of what we're really talking about
here is the fact that Elon Musk, if we're honest,
had an outsized role in this election in ways that maybe.
(12:19):
But let's say let's say that it's legal because the
Supreme Court passed or signed off on Citizens United Right,
Let's say that that's the case a lay person that
can't donate twenty five dollars to a campaign, but they're
watching Elon Musk, with the stroke of a check be
able to control an election, control how the money is spent,
(12:39):
control how the ads get put up, control the policy.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Control an election, or control in electorate.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And that too because he also he's getting sued right
now in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
For potentially people took vote, which I think there's something
to that, right right, but he did that throughout in
the presidential Yes, And this.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Is my point. So what people are really tapping into
is the fact that it's not fair. Citizens United made
it such that it is not fair. And so what
this invites us into, even if the conspiracy theory ends
up falling flat and not being real, it invites us
into challenging the pieces that aren't fair.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I agree with that one thousand percent. And I'm opposed
to Citizens of United and I'm opposed to, frankly, all
of the conditions that allowed for corporations to play outside
of roles in politics, because they existed before Citizens United
as well. Citizens United just blew the cap off, but
corporations was still sending money through methods that were undisclosed
(13:43):
and that we're impacting on elections prior to Citizens United. Now,
what Citizens United did is it made it much more
naked out in the open, and I think increased in
some ways the level of individual giving. Certainly the appetite
for that exists today versus when it existed prior to
the Supreme Court's decision. But I don't know that this
(14:07):
is not fair, is what folks are getting at. When
you read that tweet about Elon Musk him being very
specific about the states. I wish you would have named states.
Tell me which US senators that are there today would
not have been there today were it not for whatever
it is that you are taking responsibility for having done,
(14:28):
because to me, it just is a little too specific,
and I do think it's worth greater query. I also
think that there is not a cure at this stage
of the process of inquiry that could reverse the election.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, and that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I think y'all a lot to have a part too
to this, because as my count is, we are in
ten minutes. I think there ought to be a part
two that takes up the other ten minutes, with you
and Tiffany going further, because I think she has a
lot of questions and a lot of doubt about whether
or not this election happened.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
We need to have Elon Muskar in here.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I mean, if he wasn't trying to do a mea
kopa right now, it might be worth reaching out to him.
But he's now, he's he didn't needn reverse you know,
then he reverse course. He's not saying I want to
be your friend again, and I'm sorry for what I said. Donald,
Will you take me back?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
What does this man have on these people and where
they do this? What is that? Are they just so
drunken in enamored with power by any means?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I think it is absolutely drunken relationship with power. I mean,
the man started thinking about all the things that this
president has demonstrated that he is willing to do, whether
it's in the law or outside of the law, to
reap consequence. Yeah, So could he go and single handedly
destroy every contract that Elon Musk has right now with
(15:51):
the federal government?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Arguably?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah? Yeah, Elon, ain't that stupid?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, I'll tell you what. Welcome home, y'all. I guess
we're gonna have to think keep going, We're gonna figure
it out. I'm gonna get to the bottom of this.
I want to know what these satellites is doing. What
is the satellites doing?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Hey? You remember I can't even remember the show? But
was it the beginning of with Carrie Washington to Fix
It show? What's it called? Scandal? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Where is Nick in this podcast?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
It's because he tried to add time to it and
it's been over. But anyways, so so, but but remember
when the when the conspiracy played out, and it was
like twenty three votes per precinct and this one state.
I don't know if twenty three is the number, but
basically it was like x number of votes and it
was a small, do minimous amount. The number of votes
(16:50):
that were stolen per precinct were very small and unnoticeable. Yeah,
that was the That was the health of the conspiracy,
that the numbers were so small that nobody would notice.
But when you bought those numbers together in total, they
resulted in the movement of an electoral vote.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I'm just thinking that if there was a conspiracy to
be had, that it did not take place with huge numbers,
that they were discrete numbers being shifted or shaved off
per precinct in particular states that resulted in electoral votes
being moved. I think if there was a theft to
this election, that that is likely how it occurred. I
(17:32):
don't think big numbers were at play. I think very
small numbers on very marginal scales in very specific places
may have taken place to result in a particular outcome.
Welcome Home, y'all.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Hey, what's going on?
Native Land family?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
This is Derek.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Can you up from Mindy. We'll be read Indiana, Blue
Dot Indy. My handle is sash Direwolf eighty one and
Blue Sky And I don't listen to that many outlets
between you guys, Abbie, Don, Laurie, Karen, and Joy. That's
about it. But I've been getting a lot of chirps,
a lot of articles have been coming my way about
(00:35):
how this selection has been solen, tampered with or whatnot.
And I've been thinking it all along. I've been thinking
that he was silently thinking it but not saying much
about it. So my only question is, can we talk
about it just for a little bit without even coming
down as some conspiracy theories that the right wing is
going to run with, Because this is serious and we
(00:56):
still matter, So can we talk about.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Us up Native pot Land. I am so glad to
be home with y'all. Y'all just don't know what y'all
do to my spirit.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Y'all just don't know. I was man, we need we
needed y'all.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
First, let me say that so I know y'all see
what's going on between Elon and his boyfriend Donald Trump,
and I am I think in Angela. With your degree,
I hope you can correct me. Elon's basically when he's tweeted,
(01:34):
you wouldn't be in the White House if it wasn't
for me, he's basically.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Confirming that the election was fraudulent.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And the other part, So when does the investigation begin?
How does investigation begin? Is there anything that we, as
voting or I'm sorry, paying taxpayers can do to call
to get an investigation started? Because yeah, is is spelling tea.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I don't like him.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I still don't like him, but he's spilling the tea
that we need to get that that.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That man out the house. This administration is a joke.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
It's it's really I just I just don't know what
else to say.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But again, I love y'all.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I love y'all so much, and thank you for everything
that you do for our community.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Keep going, keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Please, I love her spirit.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I just this is one I just want to take
a little pause just to say, you guys, I need
y'all to understand something for me. In the Black National Anthem,
the last line says, true to our God, true to
our Native Law. The podcast Native Land Pod, it is
(02:48):
not Native Pod.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
To correct me on the name of the tour. The
whole time, my heart is with it still, their heart
is with it. Their heart is with it.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's okay, you know what I'm My favorite tour name
was when Mayor raz And shout out to Mayor Raths
who for running a very good race in New Jersey.
I hate the outcome. I just knew he was going
to get a boost from everything that's happened and looking
like he was the actual opposition leader. But Andrew, can
I just say he said on the tour, he said,
I went to newer He was like, hey, everybody, welcome
(03:20):
to the State of the People, to the State of
the People, Power, State of the People, to the all
Power to the People tour.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I was like, what, I like the People tour.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But yes, it's Native Lamb Pod. So this is the
Native Lamb Pod Mini.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Pad for the Native Pod of the Land.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Wow, Andrew, that doesn't behoove you to troll your own podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
No, I'm not offended.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It's a conspiracy. I believe happened is Andrew paid this
one to submit.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
This fell her energy. I felt the love that she
has from.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
She was recording video with the child in the car, like.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Which I'm also loving. I got and they're not always obedient,
and it's all good. It's all good, Okay. So what
we missed some of I missed some of the dimes.
I guess that were dropped by Elon because I really
despise him, and I despise the person he was fighting with.
You know, I couldn't even I can't even conceptualize the
(04:19):
enemy of my enemy as my anything but enemy. So
they're all enemies to me. So I missed the dimes.
What were the dimes?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So here's the thing. So Elon Musk and Donald Trump
have been fighting. You know, two egos just can't rest together,
Like at some point that wounded ego leadership is going
to clash. We saw that happening along the way. And
I think that the issue that people are bringing up
(04:50):
is Elon Musk's overhanded involvement in the outcome of the election.
What we know is he spent two hundred and fifty
million dollars in his as an America America pack save
America pack, whatever that pack is called. But he spent
all this money in the election and basically paid for
his role arguably right in this in this Trump administration
(05:15):
to have an office in the on the White House
complex and now these two folds is fighting.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
But did he say you wouldn't be in the White
House without me?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Because I think that's what That's what I had heard
the last questioner say it was.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think Nick is going to put the tweet up.
So he says, without me, Trump would have lost the election,
Dims would control the House, and the Republicans would be
fifty one forty nine in the Senate. And then he
says that that's pretty specific, such ingratitude it is. But
he doesn't say that he engaged in election fraud. He
(05:53):
doesn't say the thing that some of us have been wondering, like,
you know, these satellites he's doing, can they interfere with
the machine means? You know, is there.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Even go into detail? He simply said without me, Yeah.
And then there's some pretty specific statements here, which is the.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
The Dims would have won that House and that it
would have been a fifty one forty nine Republican leg.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So how do you get that specific saying Republicans would
have still won the Senate but that the vote would
have been forty one fifty one. That's just a level
of specificity that we don't often hear which states would
have gone differently, right, I mean, I'm trying to read
(06:37):
it time like.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You're ready to sit on the Senate and the Senate
das and a Judiciary committee and do a hearing.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I'm going I just want to know where he's where
he's driving these numbers.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You should pretend like you're a senator and let me
be Ela Musk.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, I don't want to. I honestly, I told y'all
for the listening public. I said to Angela. I think
she already knows I hate a conspiracy. I hate one
mostly because the world is screwed up enough as it is.
Why do we have to go a layer beneath it's
screw ity to screw it up.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
We know you always make it up. But so here's
the thing, brother, So here's I think for me, it
never felt right right Like, it never felt right. Yeah,
it never felt right, And I told you this before,
but it felt the same way to me. Maybe not
as bad, but very similar to me as it did
(07:32):
in your election. I'm still there's nothing anyone in Florida
can do to convince me that Ron DeSantis won that
election fair and square. They like patently refused to count
some ballots. There were ballots in post offices in Florida
that they just would not count.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Again a place I can't allow myself.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
To say, Okay, well, I'm sorry, let's go back to.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Now, just to say that it is a difficult enough
thing to have to deal with all of the blow
back from that whole thing, to feel assured in one
way and validated in one way, and then it turns out,
you know, not so, and then who's governing and how
(08:19):
bad are the folks that you fought for and stand
for are suffering under that governance? Right? And so I
have to deal with I think we all have to
deal with. Okay, once an election has been certified and
this is the outcome, unless there's some pretty pretty pretty
compelling and rich stuff to go with and a place
to then have that all fought out and decided, there's
(08:44):
no place to go but kind of where we are.
So I have a hard time with, you know, with
conspiracy theories, because I don't know where we can cure
this thing at this point. If it didn't go right
as relates to the presidency, we know it didn't go
right from our votes right, like we like, this wasn't
the person we wanted. I get it. Yeah, but once
(09:05):
that person is seated in an office and the cure
period is over, what other point is there to going
down the road when it can't be reversed anymore? It
can't be there's there isn't an outlet by which this
thing can be reversed at this point. Yeah, so's our
time going down the aisle.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, I guess. I guess sometimes it's good to know
for your peace of mind, Like you know how you
have those moments in life where you're like, yes, am
I crazy? I'm not crazy? Am I crazy?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Look when the lev Parness texts started coming out and
that kind of thing, like there were things that I
thought that I knew and then now they were validated. Yeah,
because there was a splinter there for these people that Yeah,
he was the Russian oligarch guy who came in throwing
money around. He and Rohnda Santis find themselves in really
(09:57):
close relationship. He then becomes the go between between DeSantis
and Rudy Giuliani, and then you know DeSantis saying, well,
I really think he ought to you know, you ought
to tweet about this investigation and uh, you know, get
justice to do this is that and the third and
all that stuff that's coming out there. I'm like, I
knew they were in cahoots all along. There were denials
(10:20):
all throughout, but I knew I kind of had a
thing that this thing was happening the way that I
thought it was. So to later find out once left
partners got indicted and they would he was split up
with Trump and split up with Dessantas and he starts talking.
I started feeling some ways validated, but the election was
not going to change. I was not going to become
(10:41):
governor as a result of what was coming out. But
it did feel good to know that I didn't I
wasn't crazy. Yeah, And so maybe some of this is
is that maybe we need to know that we're not crazy.
But I do think different than my race. Elon Musk
right wasn't in there, and that kind of money wasn't flowing.
His connection to all of this kinds of technology and
(11:02):
stuff that we probably won't ever know about was known,
but what he said with regard to the fifty one
forty nine is something to me. I want to know
what states he thought would have gone differently, and why
is he convinced that those states would have gone differently
if it had it not been for him? What did
he do? What certainty do you have?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Do you know what might be a good point to
just think about with it. I understand your position on
the conspiracy theories and like floating concepts and ideas without
hardcore facts, like I actually hate that, but I think
there's a difference between a conspiracy theory that's infused with
some discernment and intuition. I do. And then I also
(11:55):
think ag part of what they like the questions help
us get to is you know, when you're a kid,
you learn about justice is like, this is not fair, right, right?
So at the heart of what we're really talking about
here is the fact that Elon Musk, if we're honest,
had an outsized role in this election in ways that maybe.
(12:19):
But let's say let's say that it's legal because the
Supreme Court passed or signed off on Citizens United Right,
Let's say that that's the case a lay person that
can't donate twenty five dollars to a campaign, but they're
watching Elon Musk, with the stroke of a check be
able to control an election, control how the money is spent,
(12:39):
control how the ads get put up, control the policy.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Control an election, or control in electorate.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And that too because he also he's getting sued right
now in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
For potentially people took vote, which I think there's something
to that, right right, but he did that throughout in
the presidential Yes, And this.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Is my point. So what people are really tapping into
is the fact that it's not fair. Citizens United made
it such that it is not fair. And so what
this invites us into, even if the conspiracy theory ends
up falling flat and not being real, it invites us
into challenging the pieces that aren't fair.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I agree with that one thousand percent. And I'm opposed
to Citizens of United and I'm opposed to, frankly, all
of the conditions that allowed for corporations to play outside
of roles in politics, because they existed before Citizens United
as well. Citizens United just blew the cap off, but
corporations was still sending money through methods that were undisclosed
(13:43):
and that we're impacting on elections prior to Citizens United. Now,
what Citizens United did is it made it much more
naked out in the open, and I think increased in
some ways the level of individual giving. Certainly the appetite
for that exists today versus when it existed prior to
the Supreme Court's decision. But I don't know that this
(14:07):
is not fair, is what folks are getting at. When
you read that tweet about Elon Musk him being very
specific about the states. I wish you would have named states.
Tell me which US senators that are there today would
not have been there today were it not for whatever
it is that you are taking responsibility for having done,
(14:28):
because to me, it just is a little too specific,
and I do think it's worth greater query. I also
think that there is not a cure at this stage
of the process of inquiry that could reverse the election.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, and that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I think y'all a lot to have a part too
to this, because as my count is, we are in
ten minutes. I think there ought to be a part
two that takes up the other ten minutes, with you
and Tiffany going further, because I think she has a
lot of questions and a lot of doubt about whether
or not this election happened.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
We need to have Elon Muskar in here.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I mean, if he wasn't trying to do a mea
kopa right now, it might be worth reaching out to him.
But he's now, he's he didn't needn reverse you know,
then he reverse course. He's not saying I want to
be your friend again, and I'm sorry for what I said. Donald,
Will you take me back?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
What does this man have on these people and where
they do this? What is that? Are they just so
drunken in enamored with power by any means?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I think it is absolutely drunken relationship with power. I mean,
the man started thinking about all the things that this
president has demonstrated that he is willing to do, whether
it's in the law or outside of the law, to
reap consequence. Yeah, So could he go and single handedly
destroy every contract that Elon Musk has right now with
(15:51):
the federal government?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Arguably?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah? Yeah, Elon, ain't that stupid?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, I'll tell you what. Welcome home, y'all. I guess
we're gonna have to think keep going, We're gonna figure
it out. I'm gonna get to the bottom of this.
I want to know what these satellites is doing. What
is the satellites doing?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Hey? You remember I can't even remember the show? But
was it the beginning of with Carrie Washington to Fix
It show? What's it called? Scandal? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Where is Nick in this podcast?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
It's because he tried to add time to it and
it's been over. But anyways, so so, but but remember
when the when the conspiracy played out, and it was
like twenty three votes per precinct and this one state.
I don't know if twenty three is the number, but
basically it was like x number of votes and it
was a small, do minimous amount. The number of votes
(16:50):
that were stolen per precinct were very small and unnoticeable. Yeah,
that was the That was the health of the conspiracy,
that the numbers were so small that nobody would notice.
But when you bought those numbers together in total, they
resulted in the movement of an electoral vote.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I'm just thinking that if there was a conspiracy to
be had, that it did not take place with huge numbers,
that they were discrete numbers being shifted or shaved off
per precinct in particular states that resulted in electoral votes
being moved. I think if there was a theft to
this election, that that is likely how it occurred. I
(17:32):
don't think big numbers were at play. I think very
small numbers on very marginal scales in very specific places
may have taken place to result in a particular outcome.
Welcome Home, y'all.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
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