Why is the Government Shutdown?

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We've played a clip where Andrew was that guy? Why
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Anyway, it's our ninety ninth episode.

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Okay.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
So I'm really excited to get into the show today.
Before we get to our rundown, I do want to
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We will post it on our YouTube page and you
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On Monday, so do please tune into that. But it's
a lot going on right now. So what are we
talking about today?

Speaker 5 (01:19):
Angela? What you got?

Speaker 7 (01:21):
I got a lot of stuff, But I think what
we are going to lean into a little bit is
why Megan Kelly is on Serena's head. That's one question
I have. That's one question I have. I'm gonna let
y'all get into the other ones because I don't know
which ones y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Want to start. Well, you'll come back.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Megan Kellys there she got after our girl Jamel, and
Jamel dragged her clear and cross America the last time,
so she hasn't learned her lesson yet to keep black
women's name out.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Andrew, what you got?

Speaker 7 (01:51):
What's easy to do when you're tweeting in the basement
in your drawers, fair point, and you.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Not catch outside topic?

Speaker 5 (02:01):
We r Andrew.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
I want to talk about the new threat facing not
just democracy, but the new threat that could be coming.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Really straight up our block.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
What Trump and his new executive memo suggest about where
this democracy is going.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, you know, and you mentioned that earlier on the call, Andrew,
and I'm really looking forward to your breakdown on that
because I have some questions for you and definitely some thoughts.
And when we're talking about where democracy is going, I
think right now we are at a complete standstill literally
and figuratively. And that is, of course because the government
shut down this week, and that is going to have
a devastating impact for a lot of people. So I

(02:41):
definitely want to talk about that, and I do, if
there's time, want to get into this bad Bunny super
Bowl performance which has taken the group chats, the newscasts,
and the internets by storm. So I'm curious your thoughts.
I don't know if we all agree about what this means,
but I definitely want to get into that discussion.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
With you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
So and of course questions.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
And yes, thank you Andrew, we will get into your
viewer questions and thank you guys so much for sending
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as well as it's yours. So welcome home, y'all. Let's

(03:20):
get into the show. Okay, before we get into the
government shutdown. Can I just say really quickly, I want
to pass the mic to Angela on this one actually,
but I just want to say before I pass the
mic about our show that we did live from the
Congressional Black Caucus Foundations Annual Legislative Conference, I have to
say thank you all so much for tuning in. I

(03:41):
know there were some audio problems, and so we have
reposted the show without those audio problems, so please definitely
check that out. But a lot of you all just
suffer through and listen to the show with the audio problems,
so we did repost it for you. If you haven't
checked that out, definitely please do. Great guests, we sat
down with Governor Wes Moore and his wife. But this
is what and I didn't say this on a call

(04:01):
this morning intentionally because I wanted to say it on
the show. You know, I our friendship stretches decades at
this point. You know, I've known you guys for a while,
and I feel like you can take friendship for granted
when you know people for a while, Like I can
call angel it too in the morning if I want to,
you know, Andrew, I can be like I'm coming to
Tallahas he let's kick it. And when Angela you gave

(04:22):
your acceptance speech, I was so moved. And your father
was seated next to me. And I don't know if
the viewers will get to hear this, Please please please
watch it on the CBCF Annual Legislative Conference show. But
when you closed out the speech, your father was saying
the words with you, because of course you you know,
close it out, the black power anthem. And he didn't

(04:45):
even say it like like he wanted to erupt an applause,
like he said it like casually and was just looking
at Angela. I was like bursting inside, like I was.
We were all trying not to choke up. It was
the end of the show. I wanted to stand up
and applaud, but Papa Rye was just sitting there like, yeah,
like what else she supposed? That's why I raised, Yeah,
that's what it is, right. It was such a beautiful moment.

(05:07):
I sent that speech to everybody. I've been telling everybody
to watch it. I was on Doctor Carr Show this
week on Serious XM. I talked about it on that show,
so I just wanted to say, like it was one
of those moments where I was like, I take for
granted that I get to be friends with people I'm
fans of. I get to be friends with people who
I admire, and I'm not gonna lie. I was a
little mad when she was reading that speech. It's like

(05:29):
I feel when I asked Michael Harry, like he's like
up writing all day and then he comes and sends
me what he wrote, and I'm like, you wrote that today,
just in one tribe, that's what you did. Well, she was,
I'm like, please tell me it took you six months
to write that, because it was it would take me
six months to write that. So I just am thrilled,
and I had to say that. I didn't want to
say it on the call. I wanted to say it

(05:50):
to you in front of our audience. So super dope,
super dope.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Soon soon, I think I said to you that night
like twice or three times, like I was really pierced. Yeah,
I felt that. I felt that.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
And when you're used to and you are used to
giving and certainly being on the receiving end of speeches,
you can become numbs sometimes to the words that come
out of people's mouths. But for you, Angela It's different
because we know you. You don't traffic it insignificance.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
If you stay in a bar. It's a thing, and
it had resonance. It really did that night.

Speaker 8 (06:26):
You and.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
A few others have particularly impact, but your standouts to me,
and there's no more deserving person of that distinguished honor
from Saturday.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
My only regret is that that whole room didn't get
to hear what we got to hear. But they can
hear it now if they go to Natives.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
They subscribe just if I can for a moment.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
And I know we're probably gonna get into the government shutdown,
given the fact that now the government is in fact
shut down, but I just wanted to shout this out
to you guys. I ended up having an all star
studied cast yesterday for our first on Tuesday for the.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Solo Pod.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
Congressman Maxine Waters, where I worked for my first political
job was with her, was on talking about the shutdown.
Jasmine Crockett joined us as well to talk about the shutdown,
but also talking about the fear she experiences right now
and in real vulnerability in ways that really just touched
me because I feel like our sister always has to
show up in strength. So I'm so grateful that we
were able to cultivate a safe space for her to

(07:28):
really share how she feels in this moment. But also
there was another woman who we love dearly on this
show who joined us on the live show Saturday but
had to leave. Otherwise we certainly would have given her
the opportunity to also share the remarks she prepared. And
that's jo Taka Edie, who received the alc CO Chairs
Phoenix Award.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
She shared a beautiful speech.

Speaker 7 (07:51):
I know that it will drop on socials Wednesday if
you are listening to this later, it will drop Wednesday.
But I want to show her out too, because her
speech is remarkable. So I want to thank y'all because
none of the work that I'm doing would be possible
without your grace, without understanding, without leaning in with us.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
And so y'all are my Phoenix Award winners every day.
So thank you so much. But let me tell you
who is not the Phoenix Awards winner.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
Y'all's president, because why the government shut down and why
they trying to blame it on Democrats, on hood websites
everywhere else, tip get into it.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
What we do. Let's get going on Well, you brought
up that you got to talk to Congressman Jazmin Crockett
this week on your solo pods, so I definitely, if
you don't mind, I want to hear a piece of
what she said. If people want to hear that whole conversation,
of course, they can check it out on our YouTube page.
I have not listened to the whole thing yet, so
I would love to hear what Congresswoman Crockett had to say.
But I just want to set the frame a little

(08:47):
bit and forgive me if this is redundant, because I'm
sure you guys got into it a bit this week.
But I wanted to make the point that this is
not a normal shutdown, and I want to draw the
distinction of what would have happened had Democrats access the
Congressional resolution. It would have essentially given a green light
to Donald Trump to continue his cuts to PBS. It

(09:10):
would cut to cuts to foreign aid programs. It would
be a green light to his big beautiful Bill that
they call it, which essentially gives the richest Americans tax cuts,
which would don't for a minute doubt it. It would
be financed by cuts to Medicaid Medicare. I have members
of my family on both food stamps. I have members

(09:30):
in my immediate family on food stamps, clean energy resolutions.
This bill would also make it harder for Americans to
afford healthcare. And so the Democrats were calling, and you
guys know, I am not a spokesperson for the Democratic Party.
I happen to be a voter who votes Democrat. But
this is not in any way and owe to the party.
I'm just giving information. It's it's difficult to excuse a

(09:57):
shut down ever, because I get the frustration and it's
going to hit peop. But I think it was important
that Democrats held the line here. They don't control the
House or the Senate. And so when you hear the
GOP talking points that this is the Schumer shut down
or this is the Democrats shut down, impossible. When they
first passed the bill, the Big Beautiful Bill first passed

(10:17):
the Senate last July, it only required fifty one Republican votes.
Now they need it more so, Democrats all of a
sudden became really important to pass this legislation. Now what
it means now that the government has shut down, In
my opinion, it's essentially been shut down for almost nine
months now, the government hasn't been functional. They've consolidated power
to the executive branch, so we really haven't seen a

(10:39):
functional government. But now the shit is hit the van.
So the shutdown is expected to put at least forty
percent of the federal workforce, about seven hundred and fifty
thousand people on unpaid leave. But don't get it twisted,
they would not be the only people impacted. The GOP
claims to be the party that supports the Military Will
Act of Duty. Military service members will not receive a

(11:02):
paycheck during the government shutdown. The White House has also
threatened mass layoffs. This is a reduction in workforce and
federal toises after they've already laid off so many people
given furlough notices in the case of a shutdown. Well,
some people argue this is illegal, and this has been
basically a threat from the Office of Management Budget Director

(11:25):
Russ Vaught, who is a problem. His whole career was
based on combating CRT critical race theory, so that should
let you know what he is. Food assistance programs will
also be impacted, snap the supplemental nutritional program. Again, I
have members in my family who are on this with
the program for Women, infants, and Children. Both of these

(11:46):
programs are expected to rapidly run out of funds. Social Security,
social Security, to VA and other benefits will continue, However,
there will still be some delays in services such as
processing applications, air traffic control, and TSA. They're considered essential,
so they will continue to go to work, but they
will not be paid. And I don't know if you
guys remember when this happened in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen,

(12:09):
Increasingly air traffic controllers began to call in sick, which
had a ripple effects on travel across the country. FEMA
will keep functioning, but funds are also running low. So
when you consider what this means at the state level,
I'll take Louisiana for example, huge black population there. They
have a program, the National Flood Insurance Program. It was

(12:30):
managed by FEMA. It's been temporarily extended by Congress more
than thirty times since twenty seventeen. It was created to
provide insurance for those who don't have a private option. Well,
it's funding expired at twelve one am midnight on Wednesday
of this week. So these are going to be real problems.
Let me tell you who will still continue to get paid.

(12:51):
Members of Congress and the President himself will continue to
collect paychecks. More than two hundred thousand members of law
enforcement will continue to work. That's according to Homeland Security
Director and the puppy killer Christy nome Ice, will continue
their work as usual. Unfortunately, so we're looking at really

(13:11):
dangerous times, you guys. And I, for myself, just to
be transparent, I'm worried about my own funding because for
the people in my family who receive these benefits, if
they go away, then that means I will have to
supplement what they spend and so on. Snap benefits. You
already can't buy things like cleaning products, paper products, hot food,
things like that. But that's okay because I can supplement

(13:33):
those things from my family when it's needed. But when
their entire benefits go away, then I will have to
supplement their entire needs, from deodorant toothsbors. Think about everything
you use on a daily basis to the foods you
eat three meals a day. And I'm not going to
make my family, you know, eat less or suffer through this.

(13:53):
It will cost me more money. And I imagine that
a lot of people. Who are we talked about this
last week, Andrew, who are the people who made it?
So to speak, this will cast a dark shadow across
a lot of people's finances. And I just don't know
where we go from here. So I just wanted to
put that in context for our viewers and open it

(14:13):
up to you guys to see that's real. Yeah, like WTA.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
To build off your example with the catastrophe fund, the
supplemental sort of, I would like to call it the
insurer of last resort, meaning if no other insurance is
available to you, the government's the insurer of last resort
for Louisiana. You think about hurrican Hurricane season is not over.
I'm in Florida, so I stay pretty apparent and aware
of it and say a storm word to come through

(14:40):
during this period of time. Any losses, any losses to
real estate, anything that was previously insured is now uninsured.
The real cost for any of that passes directly to
the individual owner themselves. Right, So you lose a house,
you out of house. If you want one back, you
got to pay for it full sale yourself. On the

(15:02):
health insurance piece of this, we've already seen across the
country people's premiums healthcare premiums, a piece that you have
to pay before insurance kicks in, has gone up forty
percent in some case, in some cases even more drastically.
That's where the Democrats have laid down the steak in
the sand. They've said, basically, please, please, please reauthorize the

(15:25):
incentives that existed during.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Well, frankly up to this point.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
And so Obamacare's adoption, the American Affordable Healthcare Acts adoption,
all those went away. And so they said, look for
our cooperation, for our votes to get to the sixty
vote threshold you need in the Senate to plass culture.
We will give you those votes if you put back

(15:51):
those incentives so that health insurance can remain somewhat affordable
for those who are already on the American Affordable Care Act.
And of course the Republicans have resisted, the president resist.
They are insisting on moving a trillion dollars from working people,

(16:14):
working class Americans. They have shifted one trillion dollars, the
largest wealth transfer in American history, from all of us
to the top one percent, who aren't begging for it
and don't need it, and absolutely don't deserve it. So
they've chosen their side here. They're not choosing keep government
open versus closed. That's not it, Tiffany.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
You laid it out perfectly.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
It's been closed. They've been shuttering the government. Russell Bott's
threat to the Democrats, you vote with us or we
will fire more people, that ain't real. And I'm glad
the Democrats knew that that threat was not real. Why
because they've already shown us they're committed to laying off
the federal workforce. They're committed to destruction of the government
as we know it. And whether Democrats were to acquiesce

(16:57):
accept that challenge and then give them their vote or not,
Russell vote, Donald Trump and their minions are intent on
bringing the government down. And by the way, it will
have huge impacts for our economy. Why because the federal
government is the largest fricking employer in the land. Nothing bigger,
nothing greater, nothing larger, nothing, employing more people than the

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federal government and its subcontractors.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Oh won't get paid by the way, the contractor and
they will not get back paid when the government functions again.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
And that's their defense. Yeah no, But except for defense.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
I wanted to just flag I actually don't have as
much to say on government shut down today. On Tuesday,
we did a many I mean a solo pod on
the government shut down. I fell a buster for thirty minutes.
So I feel like I said all that I need
to say there. Y'all please run that thing back. And
speaking of running that thing back, let's go ahead and

(17:51):
hear what Jasmin Crockett has to say well.

Speaker 9 (17:53):
As it relates to the shutdown. Listen, the last time
we had a shut down, it was Trump. The longest
shutdown we've ever had, it was under Trump. So don't
get caught up in this nonsense. That is the Democrat's fault.

Speaker 6 (18:06):
You know.

Speaker 9 (18:06):
The bad part is that people don't understand civics or
they listen to people that are gaslighting them. And the
facts are the facts. The Republicans control everything.

Speaker 10 (18:17):
Now.

Speaker 9 (18:18):
There are people that want to talk about the filibuster.
We can talk about the philibuster if you want to
talk about the philibuster. But the reality is that y'all
control everything. You control every single lever right now. So
when you're in control, that means that it is up
to you to figure out how it gets done.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
Yeah, So yes, I think I feel complete on the.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Not just say, for Jasmine Crockett, who is a hero
in a state in her corner, She's not perfect. She
is perfectly imperfect, and that's what makes her accessible in
somebody that people want to replicate and be inspired by.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
But her point around, Lord, I just lost my threats.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Well you know why, because we should probably move on
to the next topic.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, well, because I said, Andrew said no, yeah, because
I remember you wanted to get to this true, and
and people are the only reason I'm saying that, Angela's
because people are going to be devastated by this. And
I know that you had topics on how Jasmine Crockett
and her humanity have been coming up. And just in
case you are having the reason why Angela san move
on is because her solo pod was an hour and

(19:27):
a half Angela, is that right.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
With Yeah, my solo pod was out, Yes, Maxine Waters.
Then I filibuster for a bit.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
Jazzmine's teams had a little bit of some technical difficulties.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
But it was so worth the way.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
And Andrew, you know, one of the things that I
think is significant here as we navigate through this show,
through this shut down, through this administration, is the ways
in which folks who are in elected office and our
public service, what you have to do to put your lives,
your physical body, your emotional health on the line. And
I think we were talking about, you know, just being

(20:05):
concerned about our dear sister Jazzmine and making sure that
we're covering her, especially when you know, the Laura Lumers
of the world are saying all.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Kind of crazy stuff, questioning intellect.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
Degrading them, calling them out their name for doing nothing
but protecting black folks, you know, and what's in the
best interests of the whole of the American people, whether
or not the whole of the American people receive it
or not.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
So, you know, I think to that end, we have
to find multiple.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
Places to share, to be advocates in whatever our lanes
are to be, to utilize our platforms and our talents
to facilitate change in this country. We have to use
every tool at our disposal, not just one solitary tool.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
I don't know if that reminded you, but if.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Not, listen, Angela.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
You know I should have left a dead thing alone
because it was a technical point and I completely lost
the threads.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
So guess what, all, right?

Speaker 5 (21:02):
That what you said using the talents is bad, Bunny.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yes, and we have a viewer question who brought that up? So,
but to close out, I just want to say.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
For those of you, I love y'all. I love y'all
for y'all's pivoting and the cover is really humorous.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Well, you guys cover me too.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
We all cover each other. But I just want to
say before we move on, for all of you who
are impacted by this government shutdown, who are now worried
about how you're going to pay your mortgage, how you're
going to feed your children, how you're going to take
a care of family near and far, I too, am
in that same situation with you. I understand, and we
will be continuing to talk about it here on Native

(21:42):
Lamb Pod. If you do want a deeper dive, though,
please do revisit Angela's solo pod. It was an hour
and a half just on the government checkout. So we're
not breezing past this. It's just that it has not
been talked about a lot, so thank.

Speaker 10 (21:56):
You for that.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Keep we keep going from crisis to crisis.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
Yes, we keep like this is a manufacturer crisis that
they do at our expense, over and over again, and
that should not be lost on you.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
And just in time Andrew's point got it back then,
you got it.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
You got it. So this was the point.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
It was Usually when there's a president and a Congress,
they do everything that they can to avert a shutdown.
Why because they know of the drastic harm that it
causes people. This administration, the incentives are perverse. They're not
incentivized to reduce harm. They're not incentivized to keep government
open and accessible to the people.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
This president has determined that he.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Is he is really loyal only to him at this point,
as far as he's concerned, either there will be no
more elections or he won't stand for another election for president,
and therefore his poll numbers don't matter. And I wanted
to bring in the point around these poll numbers that
came out this week would show that pretty much, although
underwater and unpopular, the president's support amongst Republicans remains not

(23:00):
out of ten Republicans in this country still approve of
his job. And so we've all been talking about and
waiting for the reasonable ones to show up? Where are
the ones who are the middle world? Where are the
folks who are are reasonable in this moment and can
see the harm that's being caused. I guess the illumination
I had and I knew it all along, but confirmed
reading these numbers this week is that there isn't that

(23:22):
their wholesale signed up to the full scale agenda. So
the tactics that they may find unpleasant along the way
might just be just that unpleasant, but as it relates
to the goal, their wholesale fully committed to the destruction
that Donald Trump is sowing throughout this country, throughout the world,
certainly throughout this government. So I just wanted to disavow

(23:45):
us of the fact that this is in any way
a real normal moment. We've got perverse incentives of a
guy who actually gets the pleasure off of people doing bad,
of people suffering in so many ways, you know, that
is the point of what they're doing. And to the
extent that there are reasonable people, I can't see it,
and these poles confirm it.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
They don't exist.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
And sometimes people can be so bad it's good.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, I think Angela's talking about I just want to
point out, though factually you're talking, I'm pretty sure you're
referring to the Reuter's pole there. Andrew and yes, yes,
the pole. But yes, let's move on because I.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Think it's so bad it's good.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Angela really wants.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
To move on to this.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Buddy.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
But m so we have a question.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Let's hear from a from a viewer? Uh to shift
us into the next subject.

Speaker 11 (24:51):
Hey, Native Lampard, this is Megan from Cleveland, Ohio. My
question has to do about you know, was recently announced
that Bad Bunny would be performed, I mean at the
super Bowl, and I just want to know. You know,
first of all, does anyone even remember Kendrick's performance? You know,
with everything happening, everything that has happened, what really did

(25:13):
that performance?

Speaker 6 (25:14):
Do you know?

Speaker 11 (25:15):
I don't know that we have more black ownership in
the NFL. I don't know that we have more black
head coaches on the field in the NFL. So we
have these moments and it just seems like we're the
only ones celebrating them. You know, they just seem performative.
I don't know that they really do anything. I don't

(25:36):
know what movement it actually makes for our community. So
now with Bad Bunny performing, do we care what?

Speaker 6 (25:47):
What you know?

Speaker 11 (25:47):
Are we do we have an opinion on it at all?

Speaker 5 (25:52):
Are we excited. I don't know that I'm excited.

Speaker 11 (25:55):
They're letting us get up there in tap dance form,
but we've always got up there in tap dance form.

Speaker 12 (26:00):
So just wanted to know you.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
Guys thoughts on it. Love Native Land, been a fans
in Stay One, Take care of you guys.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Thank you Megan for that question.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
We have gotten your feedback that we don't specifically answer
your questions all the time, so I know, Angela, you
have a lot of thoughts on this subject.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
Well, first, let me just say this because I think
that people will relate, say, Jake, we remember Kidrick's performance, Like,
not only do we remember Kidrick's performance, it is still
firal right now. You could walk up to somebody and
say da Da Da da and they know what it means.
Like it wasn't just the song, it was the way
that he uh challenged the fabric of America in his performance.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
And I think that.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
I'm gonna I'm gonna say something that may be controversial
to some of y'all. I think that one of the
best things that could have happened to the super Bowl
halftime show is that Rock Nation took it on and
they have the ability to challenge the viewer, the typical
NFL viewer, the folks who are in those stands. Overwhelmingly
we cannot afford those tickets. Some parts of us can't

(27:11):
afford those tickets. But those shows are for the viewing
audience at home to challenge, for some to uplift, and
for some to be able to have a man corner.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
While there has been, I.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
Think, particularly this year, a growing or over the last
three hundred and sixty five, a growing divide even more
so than normal between the black and brown communities, I
think that it is very powerful that Bad Bunny has
the opportunity, in the midst of what is happening to
LATINX folks to have that stage. I really do, and

(27:45):
I look forward to what he does there.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
I don't believe.

Speaker 7 (27:50):
That movements are built absent arts, whether they are the
fine arts or performing arts. I think that they are
built and inspired and carried through the arts.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
You know, to the point where I would.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Ask for some artists to come together to do a
song around state of the People, and that they would
agree to do something like that.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
It is, I mean, there's a reason.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Why we are the world had the impact it had,
you know, even if you look back to Jason's lyric
and there was a black male chorus, you will know,
like there are moments self destruction, there are always moments
where the arts carry the movement, carry the demands.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Of the people. And I think that this isn't any different.
And if it can be on a.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
Stage that is so well funded, so well choreographed, it's
so overwhelmingly seen, I think that's exactly where the arts belong.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's real appreciate.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Can I just say this to our dear sister from Cleveland.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
I know that it's not answering your question, but I
do want to acknowledge your skin is poppinsis.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Glowing.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I love it. Shout out Began.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
I will say to answer very directly, halftime performances are
performative by definition, they are really intended.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
No, I mean this by the sensitive.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
I think of late, we've gotten very high minded about
our expectations for these kinds of performances. But largely, you know,
it's to entertain. And it's only of late and at
very selective moments in American history have we seen them
catapult to something more, to be statement pieces, to be
thought pieces, to be queries of the mind and of

(29:30):
people who are watching to be moments of protests, but
also moments of unity on occasion they are also, you know,
in my opinion, representation matters. It matters to see yourself
your experience reflected, and it matters especially on an occasion

(29:54):
where there are more eyes on the television screen on
one single set of programming, which hasn't frankly happened in
this country for thirty forty years. You know, back in
the day when there were only four networks, everybody forty
million people were watching the same show at the same time.
There was a common American experience that doesn't exist anymore
in our country. By and large, this is probably one

(30:16):
of those very few occasions where all eyes or as
many eyes as you can imagine, are on one set
of programming. And I like the fact that my white colleagues,
my black colleagues, brown sisters and brothers out there, so
on and so forth, are by and large experiencing this
very same moment at the same time, and oddly enough,
many of them still walking away with very different impressions

(30:38):
and piercings and evaluations of what that thing meant to them.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Usually the haters say that was boring that didn't need
to happen. Da da da da dada.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
When did we become so political? And then those who
are affirming of the performances and what they signify by
virtual meaning are championing it.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Man, that was high, that was wild? Did you see
Do you understand the meaning of that? Wholesale? Incoment?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Newspapers are writing thought pieces on what was intended by
each piece of art and choreography, you know, as it unfolded.
I just think that's powerful. There are very few moments
anymore in this country where we have shared experience, even
if our interpretations of that experience are different, and representation matters.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
You know, I take a completely different view than both
of you. I acknowledge your points, and I definitely think they're.

Speaker 13 (31:28):
Like.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I don't disagree with them. I just have a different view.
I kind of agree with the viewer my sister from Cleveland,
because I don't think she was saying that people don't
remember Kendrick's performance in the sense that we've forgotten about it.
I understood her to be saying, what did it change?
You know, what policies did it change? And I certainly
understand her point. In Okay, so they get the benefit

(31:51):
of our eyes. These billionaire NFL owners who largely support
Donald Trump and this administration and his policies, who have
contributed to him, they get the benefit of black and
brown talent at their halftime show. We increase their viewership
when we watch the games and when we watched the
halftime show. Even if he is there making a political

(32:15):
statement and a political point, the question I'm asking is
who's really winning and who's really losing. Just for backgrounds
for people who may not be familiar with the whole
Bad Bunny saga, he did a thirty one day residency
in San Juan. He bypassed coming to the mainland is
driving me crazy, because in the newscast you'll hear him say, well,
he bypassed coming to the US. Well, Puerto Rico is

(32:37):
a part of the United States. He bypassed coming to
the mainland because of the mass ice deportations, which are
of course unconstitutional, which are of course authoritarian, And he
in an interview with ID magazine said I'm not doing
my concerts. Their ice could literally be outside of my concert.
So I applaud him for taking that stance. He left

(32:57):
a lot of money on the table he was printed
about it, and I really appreciate that. I too question
what have we really gained since Rock Nation took over
the halftime show other than some super dope halftime shows.
Where I struggle, I think is what you guys are saying,
and what I think you guys are saying is messaging matters.
You know, imagery matters at this time, and I think

(33:20):
that's so true. That is definitely essential. This is a
large audience, So given that, I hope he goes super hard,
you know, I hope he is disrespectful at the halftime
show because I think that's what it would take. I
remember there were people saying they didn't get Kendrick Lamar.
What was he saying they didn't get the performance? If

(33:40):
you ain't get it, it wasn't for you. I've seen
a lot of videos in my feed of people sitting there,
like trying to learn Spanish, and they're like me, trying
to learn Spanish, so I can understand everything. For the
halftime show, people are definitely excited about it, but I
do I think her point stands like, we haven't seen
this increase in black coaches. We haven't seen any NFL
policy change, nor have we seen these halftime performances push

(34:04):
any policy outside of the NFL even So I think
it's a fair criticism, and I think we should.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
It is our job.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
It is our responsibility as consumers of Rock Nations music
and as consumers of the NFL to continue to push
them to give us more tangible change. Because I would
even say, even if there were more black NFL coaches,
like Okay, it was kind of like around the protest
around Colin Kaepernick, I'm like, that's all we ask them
for is but it's one black man to get a job,

(34:33):
Like we need institutional change.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Go ahead, Andrew, I want to ask you when did
when did halftime performances and the entertainers who entertain us
during that time like get tasked with the responsibility of
creating public policy change.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
So I don't think it's their responsibility to create policy change.
I think at the time that Rock Nation took over
the halftime show, that is what centered because that's why
it happened, because people were critical of the NFL. It
was on the heels of them completely disrespecting and sidelining
and robbing Colin Kaepernick of employment and opportunity. And so

(35:12):
when it was beneficial for them to turn something over
to a black man. That's when they did it. And
so the pushback from the black community was like, oh,
hold up, what's going on. I mean, Colin Kaepernick wasn't
supportive of the move so people were saying, what are
we getting out of this? And so that was and
Angel correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that
was their response, like, no, we're gonna, you know, make
this a moment, make this a movement. These halftime shows

(35:34):
will be a movement. I think that's when the halftime
show became political. For the expectation of it was to
be political and give pushback. But I'm open to if
I have that wrong.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
No, but to that extent, I would say the shows
of late actually have been more political, and they have
provoked an awoken, real conversation and debate within the American
peace and I actually think like that's the change that
has even if it draws us to our corners, at
least we start to hear people articulate what's driving them

(36:09):
to one corner or another. We are so beref of
honest dialogue anymore as a country. I mean, like I
used to think that Republicans had a set of values around.
For instance, they used to be the party of don't
tread on Me, and now there anything but that anymore. Right,

(36:29):
Yet there's still claiming and you know, shrouding themselves in
the American flag, And I'm like, how dishonest can you be?
Either you line to you, because I know you've been
lying to me. I didn't expect the truth from you,
but to themselves, And so I appreciate what dialogue can
be sparked there, because in truth, public policy change around

(36:49):
diversity and inclusion doesn't change people's hearts and minds. It's
culture that changes hearts and minds. It's culture that largely
causes you to think differently about a thing, to be
pricked in a way that is not totally offensive, and
therefore you might be open to what the critique is.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I think that's kind of what art helps to I
don't think we're in a mad society.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I don't think we're dealing with those we're dealing with extremists,
We're dealing with culton.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I agree with that by and large. For those of
us who are political, I agree with that by and large.
But again, you know, half the country ain't voting and
the majority of support that we need to be having
out there is amongst each other, is with community. And
so to the extent that this sced conversation that wasn't
happening before.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I mean really before we were.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Talking about somebody titty being out right and Timberlay getting
off while somebody else is carrying the load. And now
people are talking about what is the symbolism and the
meaning behind this that part while taking ownership of the flag,
but in a different way. Now I feel more connected
to my country and to my community.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I just think that's I.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Think our side.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I was about to value that.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I think we've always been talking about that though, Like
I just I agree with the caller or the viewer's point.
What exactly is this changing? What institutional changes has the
NFL made, and what changes do we think these performances
make other than enriching the pockets of billionaires who support
this administration and their policies. What I would like the

(38:13):
audience to know because of bad Bunny bypassing the United
States and why he is is right now, immigrants with
no criminal record zero criminal record are the largest group
in US immigration detention centers. That's according to data released
by our own United States government. So when we're looking
at that, I can understand why people are saying, I

(38:34):
don't know, if you know, I'm excited about this bad
Bunny performance more than I am outraged about what's actually
happening in the country. But I don't want to be
hypcrit I will be watching the halftime show and go ahead, Angela, yeah, go.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Ahead, No.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
And I think this is the thing, right, It's like,
you know, we have somebody or an entity that is
willing to push the buck with these folks because they
have some influence. They've been able to shift. Folks would
be mad as hell if it was Kid Rock, you
know what I mean. So now it's like, oh, well,

(39:08):
these racist NFL owners, of which there are many, right,
So you still have the NFL running this show, but
the owners still have outside influence. Many of them think
they are right, we don't say many. Too many of
them think they are running plantations. And so when you
have that ideology and you have somebody willing to push

(39:30):
back on this, yes it is just the halftime performance,
And yes it is the halftime performance. That is the
very thing that if it were not these artists that
we actually do support politically or we do feel like
we're aligned with them on social issues or social justice causes.
We would be mad if it was somebody else, like
the many of the artists. No, Taylor, Taylor is more

(39:56):
aligned with us politically and on social issues than some others.
But I do think bad Bunny makes a different statement
than Taylor does. And so yeah, like I just I
think that it's interesting that it's like you damned if
you do, damned if you don't hear. The other thing
that I'll say without saying too much, is I really
wish people knew the backstory of what happened and how

(40:19):
they got to doing the halftime shows to begin with,
of what their actual intention was. There wasn't a real
different end goal than what the rest of the community was,
and that was for Cap to get on a team.
But I wonder for us if Cap getting on the
team would have been sufficient. If Cap got on a team,
would we still have the issues around the lack of

(40:40):
black head coaches in the NFL when we still have
an issue with the fact that only seventeen percent or
eighteen percent of coaches look like us. The fact despite
the fact that seventy five percent of the players look
like us, so I really want us to also challenge
our own hypocrisy here. And I'm saying us black folks,
because it is far deeper than that. But I recognize

(41:03):
and understand the symbolism. We have to decide if the
symbols are the substance or if we're going to continue
to push for substance even when we get some of
the symbols. And I think that it is not either or.
It is probably a both and approach. But we got
to figure out, you know, what is the symbol that
we care the most about and when we're going to
challenge them for upholding the symbol but dissing us on

(41:25):
everything else, or should we be doing both? And I
think this is probably one of those things where we
should do both. We've got to win on the halftime show.
It is not sufficient, and I think the Rock Nation
family understands that, and certainly everybody on this podcast understands this.
There is another viewer question here, and since you brought
up Ice Tiff, maybe we should tap in there.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
But I heard Andrew take a breasth case he wants no.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
I just I think we shouldn't overload people with doing
everything we all have our jobs. We all have our
roles to play. Policymakers have a job to do here,
the board of these multilateral corporations who are sponsors to
the commercials that play that largely line the pockets of

(42:08):
the networks, and these owners, they have a role to play. Also,
entertainers who are really invited to just entertain have a
responsibility in a role to play given their platforms. And
I don't want to overload any one side of this
with more than what they're reasonable and righteous responsibility ought

(42:28):
to be in the moment.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Well, I mean, I would push back on that a
little bit. I think rock Nation became the you know,
jay Z and rock Nation became billionaires off of us
supporting his music his projects early on. So I think
black people are always righteously entitled to challenging what he's

(42:54):
done with that level of responsibility.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
I would never that's not entirely true though, Like he
did not become a billionaire just off of streams. He
became a billionaire after several other business deals.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
But he became a billionaire.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I'm not saying he does, but he did. I'm not
saying every billion he got was from us, but I'm
saying from the support that black people gave him that
put him in a position to flip that money a
few times.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
But that was the finesse of a smart businessman investing
in I'm not taking.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
That away from him, but he wouldn't have been able
to do that much if he didn't have to support
of black people. So that then say, we can't challenge
him and what he's doing.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
That challenge it, but I think you should listen to
the facts of their responses though too. I think that's true.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I think unfortunately, well I shouldn't say unfortunately or not,
but Colin Kaepernick was you know, vocal about his thoughts
on the partnership, and that's what we heard. And I
think the imagery that we've seen, you know, from them
dining with uh, you know, the the Trump kids and
people right after.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
That announced and bad Bunny would be the halftime performer.
That doesn't But that.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Doesn't not a lot of people. That does not wait
for a lot of people. I think people have a
right to be outraised and angry about those things. They
can be, but I want them to be outraged and
angry with facts. So then even the comment just now
about they were dining with the Trump kids. Let's just
put some clarity around this.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
So they are. They are.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
Some of the founding members of the Reform Alliance, which
was a bipartisan effort to help get people, reduce people's sentences,
make sure that justice reform actually happened in this country.
Even the Koch Brothers were a part of these efforts
with Hikim Jeffries just a few years ago.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Now it feels like five hundred.

Speaker 7 (44:40):
But the Reform Alliance is holds a gala, a casino
event every year where people on every side of the
on all parts of the political spectrum, participate in that event.
So the Trump's Jared Kushner, whose father was also incarcerated
and therefore he leaned very heavily into justice reform efforts

(45:05):
in the last Trump administration, is now involved in the
Reform Alliance, and they participated in the most recent event.
It was Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
And the reason his father was exactly the reason that
father was parsrated is a whole other thing. But thank you,
because I think that that the facts do matter around that.
But if we're saying imagery matters in the halftime show,
then imagery definitely equally matters when you are seated at
the table with Jarrek Kushner at a time such as this,
when things are going on, I think it is perfectly

(45:35):
fine for people to question, wait a second, this doesn't
feel right to me, or wait a second, what more
are you doing? What more can we should we be
expecting of you? It's not this to anybody, But I
was talking to one of our luner. I don't think
he would want me to say his name, but I
was talking to one of our luminaries of the time,
asking his thoughts, and he said, listen, at the end
of the day, a billionaire is a billionaire is a billionaire,

(45:55):
And so I think sometimes I do question that. You know,
I look at the peopleeople who in our community who
maneuver at that level, and there does sometimes feel like
a disconnect. But I also think it's fair what you
guys are saying about imagery mattering, and about what we
should what's realistic, what we can expect, and should we

(46:16):
be celebrating the things that they are doing. I think
everything on the table I think is fair. I just
identify more with what the viewer, what she was raising.
I think it's a fair question to ask.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
The only thing I know we got to go on
is simply say we could. We could disrupt the lives
of these billionaire, racist owners, many of too, many of
which right now owned teams and think they run in plantations.
For sure, if we decided to take our eyes off
the screen every Sunday, very fought if we were to
remove ours, because the accountability has to.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Flow all way.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
It isn't just Jaz, It ain't just the you know,
the owners. It is the fact that they wouldn't have
what they have. The NFL would not be the expanding,
profound industry, you know, disruptive industry that it is from
me and so much else if our eyeballs were not
on it, if we were not watching, if we weren't
attending games and buying tickets. And the truth is is

(47:09):
if we the regular folk, were to remove our support
visa VI, putting our eyes on it, therefore driving money
toward it, then that wouldn't be the thing.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Ross wouldn't be a thing. Right, So accountability is right.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
I was only simply arguing not just what's possible or
what's reasonable, but to say that I do have expectations
for everybody along this along this pipeline, and it doesn't.
I was simply saying, it doesn't sit with Bad Bunny
himself to accomplish all those missions by through his performance.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
It doesn't sit with jay Z by himself. It doesn't
sit with any one of those.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Constituencies by themselves, but the most impactful constituency of those
of us who are watching.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Can I just say I really love this conversation. I
didn't expect this conversation to go all these different dress
I knew there was daylight, but it really is a
New Wants conversation. I don't think we would have gotten
this conversation anywhere else on the cable news. It would
have been a five minute thing. So I really love
the nuanced perspective that we all bring and would love
to hear from our viewers. Please weigh in with what
you all think. I love what you said, Andrew, And

(48:14):
I'm not dismissing people who love football, because when this
was happening, I remember, y'all know I'm a big huge
Game of Thrones head, and I was trying to think, like, damn,
what if it was called a boycott? Not watching Game
of Thrones? How get So would I be like, am
I gonna miss that Game of Thrones finale?

Speaker 5 (48:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
So I get that perspective, but I like the exactly
But I appreciate the perspective that you're like, responsibility doesn't
sit with any one of us, for everybody who's out
there watching the football game but criticizing the halftime show,
like what are you doing in your role of responsibility?
So I love that. But but a lot of the
stems from bad Bunny not bringing his tour to the

(48:52):
mainland because he said, you know, ICE could be right
outside his concerts, and I know we have a viewer
who has a question about that.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
What's up? Native Land is Larry once again in Dallas,
soon to be in Canada once I move next month.
But I want to talk to you guys about the
bad Body Built bill that Trump just signed into law.
This is going to give ICE an astounding amount of funding.

Speaker 13 (49:28):
Not only would dollar for dollar make it the largest
governmental agency, but also I believe I read the sixteenth
largest military power on the planet.

Speaker 8 (49:40):
That's terrible. I see this going horribly not only for immigrants,
but for everybody that dissents against this fascist agenda. I
wanted to know from you guys, what are some steps
of disruption or mutual aid that people can do to
combat ICE and or the undoubtedly problemat of consequences that

(50:01):
this new Gestapo force is going to have on average citizens.
Looking forward to hearing your perspectives. I love y'all, and
welcome home.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Welcome home, he said, he moving to Canada.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
He said, yeah, you got a question, though, don't get side.
We don't answer that question. I know, well, my thought
is to be disobedient. What I've seen from and this
is just like videos that unfortunately you don't find on
legacy media, but you've seen videos from different outlets that

(50:36):
find their way to social media and on different news
sites where communities overwhelmingly show up and stop ICE from
taking somebody. They make them and welcome to the point
where ICE literally backs out. They outnumber them in droves.
They videotape them. Ice is now attacking people who are

(50:56):
videotaping them. This week, they just attacked a journalist. This
is not a normal thing. I mean, we are literally
normalizing mass men uh taking people off the streets and
disappearing them. Reporting from CNN sites that authorities in at
least three states have arrested individuals allegedly impersonating ICE officers

(51:20):
at a time when real ICE agents have, you know,
ramped up their disappearing acts, and it's adding to an
existing fear of law enforcement. I said earlier in the
show that more people who have committed no crimes whatsoever,
they now outnumber these allegedly violent criminals. There have also
been thousands of people since these deportations happened. More than

(51:44):
a thousand people have disappeared. We just don't know where
they are. They've disappeared from the daily body count. So
imagine people can't find, you know, their loved ones. The
superintendent of schools in Iowa, for all the people who
said this an r when we mind in our business,
this black man who was born in Guyana, a pillar
of the community, was disappeared by ice. And so this

(52:08):
is a dangerous, scary time and the only thing that's
gonna stop and authoritarian regime is disobedience. I had a
chance to talk with Congressman Ayana Pressley about this during
the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, and she gave really good
advice on this about protecting ourselves and our community. So
I'm not telling people to go out there and get
shot and you know, confront ice officers with violence. But

(52:30):
I do think when we do this in DROs and
in numbers and demand you know, accountability and respect for
our communities and show up for one another. If there's
eighteen agents going after one person and it's thirty people
in the neighborhood, then yes, protect that one person. If
you see somebody getting taken, get out your phone, ask
their name. Who can you call, you know, to let
them know that you were taken. It's getting to the point,

(52:54):
well I feel like I want to AirTag on me somewhere,
just so somebody can constantly be aware I'm aware of
where I am. Because they're not citizens, then none of
us are citizens if they came and got injury. Right
now that you're not a citizen, bo, But wait, yes
I am. I have a passport, I can show you. Well,
you don't get due processed, so now you're just disappeared.
So we have to consider it's not they, it's we.

(53:15):
It's not them, it's us. Eventually this problem is going
to come to our front door. So that's my thoughts.

Speaker 8 (53:20):
So good, so good.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
It already is I appreciate that SYS. I mean in
places like Florida, where you have huge Haitian Haitian communities
that have been displaced from hat because of the political
discord there and have been granted asylum under previous administrations
and have now had it revoked from this administration.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
They are racially profiling.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
They are deciding whether or not you look like you
belong here, by the way, a principle that used to
be illegal in the United States thanks up until the
US Supreme Court majority determined that, oh, racial profiling to
determine whether or not a person is a citizen.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
It's just fine with with them.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
The only other thing I would add, and I think
you did so well with their Tiffany, is to say
at your local levels. So the entire state of California
has now banned federal agents coming in without with masks,
mass individuals disappearing to use your language, sipetany folks out
of communities. You can push for local ordinances where you live.
You got to go local government that is sensitive to

(54:21):
these human rights concerns. I am totally not shocked that
there are now criminal elements who are deciding, oh, we
could just throw on some masks and go and get
our enemies as well and lift them off the street.
There's a reason why people got badges and badge numbers.
There's a reason why they wear those things on their
uniforms and display them for the public. It's a form
of accountability in a democracy, and now we ought to

(54:44):
be pushing for that same accountability even for this agency.
He is also completely right on the DHS on the
Homeland Security. The President frankly building his own army, domestic
army to carry out his wishes. While the military he
may have been frozen and didn't applaud for him, which
is in practice the right thing. That the military is

(55:05):
to be non political, to respect the office of the presidency,
but not to be partisans.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
So the president, that wasn't good enough for him.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
He wanted obeisance, applause, rowdiness and supporting him.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Well.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Now through his pin up Gnome and the force that
she is building under the Department of Homeland Security, he
is absolutely building his own domestic army, willing and prepared
to do his bidding. And I think that's just a
cautionary note that we all have to be aware of.
But there are things I think we should be advocating

(55:39):
for at our local levels, and that should be no masks.
If you're an arresting official agency of the government, you
ought to be able to have your name and displayed
and no masks.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
You know.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
On that Andrew again.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Jasmine Crockett was on with this earlier this week and
she has a bill, the clear Id Act, to prohibit
people from being in law enforcement and wearing masks approaching
citizens or any human being on the street without having
to properly identify yourself.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Okay, why do we have another viewer question? This one
is actually specific to Angela's. I want to shift this
so Angela can answer his question.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
Let's roll it.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
My question, Angela is does it serve a purpose? The
only call out people from the right that call our
justice Brown Jackson, who I think is genius in VP
Harris the EI picks when it was actually Canada Biden
and the Democratic Party that originally called them the EI picks.

Speaker 11 (56:43):
Correct me if I'm wrong, But.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
Wasn't it day Kenneda Biden, in this attempt to get
the black vote say that he will pick a black
woman justice before even naming her name. And then it
was a Democratic Party that turned around and urged.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Canada Biden to de pick a black.

Speaker 11 (57:01):
Women for VP.

Speaker 13 (57:03):
So would you.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
Agree that that was a mistake on the part of
the Dems actually naming a I guess the sense and
the race before I actually name it the name.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Thank you, Okay.

Speaker 7 (57:15):
So here's the thing that I just want to do here,
I think is so important. As Andrew said, we do
not traffic in insignificance here, and we absolutely want to
make sure that we traffic in fact checking. So it
was not Joe Biden who began the DEI rhetoric. I
don't know of any Democratic candidate even there are Democratic

(57:36):
Party strategies now who are saying that we spend too
much time in DEI.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
And for those of you who missed it, spending.

Speaker 7 (57:43):
Too much time in DEI means spending too much time
targeting the Blacks. So we actually believe, and I won't
say for y'all, but I believe in a moniker that
the Congressional Black Caucus has long used no permanent friends,
no permanent enemies, just permanent interest. To that end, when
Joe Biden became the nominee of the Democratic Party nominee

(58:06):
in twenty twenty, he was actually pushed to do some things.
There were some key voices that urged him to not
only pick a black woman vice president, to also pick
a black women as a Supreme Court justice, and to
have a black agenda that's not too pander. That's not
because black people should only be janitors and car salesmen.

(58:27):
It's actually because, I believe it or not, there's some
pretty bad ass black women that want these things, demanded
these things, And I'm a rolling a little clip for
y'all from twenty twenty from some badass black women who
made these demands.

Speaker 9 (58:39):
Vice President Biden, you need us, you owe us.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Black women are miracle workers.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
We have been saving the Democratic Party since nineteen sixty five.
Twenty twenty is no different.

Speaker 14 (58:54):
Your only path to victory is through Black women.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
The voters that need to turn out. We know how
to mobilize them. Our votes must not be taken for granted.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
The following commitments will begin to show black voters that
you are serious about US.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
America needs a black woman vice president. Candidates like Amy
Klobuchar will not energize US. America needs a.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Justice.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Remember Anita Hill.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
We do America needs more in a comprehensive black agenda.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
The rules are rigged against our communities.

Speaker 14 (59:35):
Whether we are talking about a black person who died
of COVID nineteen because of the lack of access to
health care, or Ahmad Arbury being killed by vigilantes, or
Brianna Taylor, an e and t killed by police while
laying in her bed.

Speaker 11 (59:50):
We deserve solutions that address systemic racism, economic injustice, and
domestic terrorism.

Speaker 7 (59:59):
Joe Biden, you enacted drug and crime laws that harmed
the black community for generations.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Joe Biden, this must be addressed.

Speaker 14 (01:00:09):
You must address our oppression and most importantly, embrace our
power to win the White House.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Well, I mean the only thing I would add. I
think I see your receipts, Frian, and we appreciate.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
I know that receipts.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I see that I got a sweater.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
There she's talking about the show.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
I know, I know, I like the shirt, but I
like her nails. Press on, I'm gonna get some love it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
So on this topic, it's just so blackfeof all the time.
We ask what are we getting for our support? What
do we get We're the most loyal committed demographic to
the Democratic Party, and what do we have to show
for it. Just to go a little bit further back,
we also made demands on Obama that he make that appointment,
that final appointment that he had to the Supreme Court

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a black woman. He of course made a different choice.
I hope we can see how regrettable that whole thing
was anyway, But to the point of us finally demanding
something for the incredible, inconsistent, reliable support that black folks,
men and women, but led first by women give to

(01:01:18):
the Democratic Party, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
It was a very obvious observation to have made, to say,
all the way up to this point, there is still
not the perspective of a black woman on the highest
court in the land. Why And that's a reasonable question
to be asked, and, by the way, the same question
that people in other communities ask all the time when
it comes to representation. And so the fact that he

(01:01:41):
chose a black women, a woman or a diversity inclusion
higher still doesn't believe the fact that she's the baddest,
most qualified, most outstanding justice I have ever seen on
the United States Supreme Court. I'm a little biased because
she's from Florida and Miami, but more than anything, she's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Also highly qualified.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I would just caution our community not to accept this
narrative that diversity, equity, inclusion means didn't deserve it, didn't
earn it, or isn't qualified. That's what the other side
wants us to believe about what it means. When you say,
God damn it, a community is not represented, their voice
is not at the table. That doesn't mean get the

(01:02:23):
most unqualified person, person without the proper credentials.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
No, that's what Trump does.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
That's why they've had to raise rave waive so many
rules to get his people appointed who are not qualified.
We're simply saying we want to be represented. And by
the way, the best of us exists, and droves choose
one of us to represent at this particular level. So
my only caution is, let's not accept their frame about
what it means to have diverse workplaces, diverse leadership, diverse ownership,

(01:02:52):
diverse anything. Diversity does not equal unqualified. Diversity means I
need to see myself reflected, and you need to diversity
of perspectives in order to see the whole picture more clearly.
That's what we get through diversity of qualified people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
And I have a question, Andrew, because one I echo
everything you just said. And I'm thrilled always to see
the machetes make their appearance on Native Land pod. That
was from an OpEd that we did for the Washington
Post in twenty twenty, and they asked us to do
a video component. So thrilling to see the women most
mostly those women are machetes anyway, So shout out to

(01:03:29):
my sisters. But Andrew, when you're talking about like coming
after US diversity, equity and inclusion, you were talking about
on the call that there's this new piece of legs,
like essentially the Trump administration is coming after us and
basically trying to requalify who's the domestic terrorist is so

(01:03:51):
much trying to keep up with the news every time
it's a Trump administration. I always say, it's like trying
to catch comfetti. I cannot keep up. So I had
no idea what you were talking about, but you seem
passionate about it, and you seem like this is something
that has not gotten a lot of coverage.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah, So I'm a little The way you explained it
made me nervous, So I want to hear more.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Well, I'll just say and and and I don't want
to take up too much of our time. But I
just want our audience to really be aware that with
all the stuff going on, and there's plenty of it
for us to stop up, we don't need to miss
the fact that Donald Trump just this past week UH
issued a presidential memorandum. It's known as the National Security

(01:04:35):
Presidential Memorandum, which shorthand is the n s p M seven,
the National Security Presidential Memorandum seven that came from Donald Trump.
Now what that memorandum do, To put it in shorthand,
it declares war on progressive or liberal infrastructure in this country.

(01:04:57):
It's donors, it's organization and institutions. It's individuals and staff
who lead these organizations, say, for instance, the NAACP, save
for instance, Color of Change, save for instance, insert any
nonprofit that you can name, either locally or nationally that
is doing work in service consistent with our values as

(01:05:22):
a democracy, but more importantly, our issues and our values
as people think. Dream defenders think, I don't know the
tax status of Angela of the State of the people,
but if it were its own entity, Okay, so if
there were a secretly and it was its own entity,
it also is something that you can bring to mind.

(01:05:43):
What the President is doing through this executive order is
one declaring war by basically deciding that these liberal quote
liberal organizations, extremist organizations as he would categorize them, exists
to foe met violence against the right. That's simply their framing.

(01:06:05):
They are targeting the left or liberal groups that they
describe as liberal extremists and just determining these groups to
be domestic terrorist organizations domestic terrorist organizations. What does it
do to declare them domestic terrorist organizations? It opens up
a panoply of resources at the federal level that can

(01:06:28):
then be used to go after those groups. Who are
those what are those entities that it opens up? So,
first of all, let me just define the expanded definition
that it's giving to extremism and domestic terrorism. It now
includes anti Americanism, anti capitalism, anti Christian support, yes, support

(01:06:54):
for the overthrow of the United States government, extremism on migration,
ray engender, and hostility towards those who hold traditional American
views on family, religion.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
And morality. Oh my god, Now, how much of that
is subjective? First of all?

Speaker 10 (01:07:14):
And every bit of every bit of it protected speech,
every bit of it, part of protected speech of which
any of us can have an opinion on creating an
organization and advocacy agenda around all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
So this is the new definition that they are now
including when they are defining these extremist radical left groups
who are now being targeted by the federal government. Stephen
Miller at the White House, we all know him as
a Deputy chief as Dad, but he's kind of the
man over everything is going to play point on introducing

(01:07:51):
this new domestic era campaign that the administration is undertaking.
But Stephen Miller is also the same person who is
quoted as saying that it is a violent political speech
to call Donald Trump wait for it, an authoritarian. So

(01:08:12):
by virtue of calling him an authoritarian now qualifies as
again this is why we said this is all subjective,
qualifies as violent rhetoric. But I have another suggestion. This
is Stephen Miller giving his eulogy or comments at Charlie

(01:08:33):
Kirk's large memorial service, and I actually would submit that
this is violent political rhetoric. Take a listen and let
me know what you think.

Speaker 12 (01:08:45):
We will prevail over the forces of wickedness and evil.
They cannot imagine what they have awakened. They cannot conceive
of the army that they have arisen in all of us,
because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous,
what is noble. And to those trying to incite violence

(01:09:08):
against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what
do you have?

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
You have nothing? You are nothing.

Speaker 12 (01:09:18):
You are wickedness, you are jealousy, you are envy, you
are hatred.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
You are nothing.

Speaker 12 (01:09:24):
You can build nothing, you can produce nothing, you can
create nothing. We are the ones who build. We are
the ones who create. We are the ones who lift
up humanity. You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk, You
have made him am mortal. You have immortalized Charlie Kirk,

(01:09:48):
and now millions will carry on his legacy, and we
will devote the rest of our lives to finishing the cause,
this for which Charlie gave his last measure of devotion.
You cannot defeat us. You cannot slow us, you cannot
stop us, you cannot deter us. We will carry Charlie

(01:10:12):
and Erica in our heart every single day and fight
that much harder because of what you did to us.
You have no idea the dragon you have awakened. You
have no idea how determined we will be to save
this civilization, to save the West, to save this republic.

(01:10:35):
Because our children are strong, and our grandchildren will be strong,
and our children's children's children will be strong. And what
will you leave behind?

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Nothing?

Speaker 12 (01:10:46):
Nothing to our enemies. You have nothing to give, you
have nothing to offer, You have nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
To share but bitterness.

Speaker 12 (01:10:54):
We have beauty, we have light, we have goodness, we
have determination, we have vision, we have strength. We built
the world that we inhabit now, generation by generation, and
we will defend this world. We will defend goodness, we
will defend light, we will defend virtue. You cannot terrify us,

(01:11:15):
you cannot frighten us, you cannot threaten us because we
are on the side of goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
We are on the side of God.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
So they are enlisting to as part of their assemblage
of resources to go after these folks. They are assembling
the United States Attorney Attorney General who will play point
on this, Homeland Security, the Internal Revenue Service, the IRS
here of the government, and they are operationalizing what is

(01:11:50):
known as the locally well actually across the country, is
known as basically the terrorism Coordinating Body that can include
certain state officials and state offices. That includes over twenty
two hundred employees of the Department of Justice anti terrorism units.
It evokes at the state and the national level, all

(01:12:13):
of the coordinating groups on anti terrorism, and they are
now all being charged to turn their energy not to
real threats of terrorism in the United States. They are
all now being directed to turn their attention to these
leftist groups, extremist groups who foment violence against the rights.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Oh my god, they can start so unclear you're saying,
they can start arresting people, they can start apps. Okay,
I'm when you were talking about this in the car earlier,
I don't think I fully understood the scope of what
you were saying. This is actually don't why this is
not a breaking news banner across every news station and

(01:12:56):
why this is not a one above the fold in
every news paper right now. I'm embarrassed and ashamed I
did not know about n SPS seven. This is a
declaration of war on all bakun SA NLP is you
know marketing. I mean, this is this goal lead to
mass This is cointel pro this is McCarthyism.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Mcarthy absolutely, And for those of us who don't believe
that it can happen. It has already happened in this
country before we didn't they didn't have the moniker. The
difference is is that the power of being able to
declare these groups domestic terrorists unleashes a set of policies
that were approved Posts nine to eleven that were used

(01:13:37):
by the Bush administration, the warrantless wire tapping, some of
the other subterranean investigative tools that the government can use.
It turns all of that operation on and now directs
it to these quote, enemies of the state that the
Trump administration identifies. And I'll say one other thing, and

(01:13:58):
I'll bring it to clothes, which is this entrust and
basically now obligate. The fbis over forty thousand Joint Terrorism
Task Force units to now become operational in the United States.
It admonishes the Department of Justice to begin conducting interviews, investigations,

(01:14:21):
and interrogations against employees, leaders, executive directors, presidents of these organizations,
funders of these organizations.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
And by the way, some of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
These funders are big money donors, but some of these
funders are regular people like you and me who are
giving twenty dollars and twenty cents every month. They now
get to interrogate these individuals under this auspice to root
out whether or not there is propaganda or speech within
these organizations that has the ability to foment violence. The

(01:14:53):
other thing that this thing is doing is it is
not just solving a crime after a crime has happened.
It is saying that their major goal to prevent prevent
these violent actions from ever taking place.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Now what does that do?

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
That means it becomes highly subjective, highly theorized by the
government what they think your intention is, and then they
get to them basically do the work to drive you
toward that conclusion. Oh well, we just averted a potential
terrorist event domester terroists event by keeping the state of
the people from protesting against the death of citizen X

(01:15:26):
Y and Z.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
So y'all, I don't want you to think.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
That this is just going to impact people who are
the big known names, who are the faces in which
we recognize every day and are out. The truth is
is that Ahmad Aubrey or Breonna Taylor, they were just
regular people before they weren't. These are folks who are
just living until they get on the wrong side of

(01:15:50):
the opinion of the leader. So if you don't think
autocracy has already taken hold in this country, if you
don't think that the instruments of government are already being
organized and leveraged against us, and through this memorandum with
nobody to stop him or to hold him to account,
and a Supreme Court who is complicit this expedient move

(01:16:11):
toward authority terianism, we are about to be at this
game by ourselves, y'all. So I want you all to
look it up, research it, learn more. I don't have
the whole show to go through all of it, but
just know that this thing is real, and it is
believed by the reporting entities that work has already begun,
that they have already begun on their targets to drive them.

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
They have, they have, And I just I wanted to
just flag one other thing.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
There was a an executive memo with an accompanying executive order,
and I want to be clear that the accompany executive
order is designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. And
Antifa has always been an umbrella for anything. They don't
like anything other, so absolutely, I just I just wanted
to flag that that this was on the other side

(01:16:59):
of Charlie Kirk's murder. They now are trying to pin
this on all things left, and we know left is
a spectrum and all of that now is being deemed
violent to them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Yeah, Angela, you're one thousand percent right. I mentioned I
failed to mentioned the Antifa piece of this. They declare
Antifa terrorist organization, y'all, you can google it right now.
There is no Antifa board, the Antifa president. It's is
a theory, it is a it's a theorem, it is
a belief system. It is ideological. And that's the beauty

(01:17:34):
of them identifying Antifa as the instrument because.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
They can go, just like they did during the Red Scare.
They can go and determine any one of us is Antifa,
any one of us even though there doesn't even exist
an organizations such that.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
Is so nice the thing that is the thing. So
I wanted to make sure that we just are very
clear about this, and please know, for those at home
who are concerned about this memo guiding them through this
type of policy, all of this is to keep us
from focusing on the Ebstein files. I just want to

(01:18:12):
be very clear. He is doing everything he is throwing
the sink, the cold kitchen sink at everybody and anything
to keep us focused on not focused on the Ebstein files.
He's willing to defund the government, keep people out of work,
prevent contractors from being paid, provincial health care, make his
friends richer, all if it keeps us away from what

(01:18:34):
we know is that the heartbeat of this administration. And
I'm sure there are, of course, there are other pieces,
you know that he's a puppeteer for, you know, Project
twenty twenty five and all of that, But some of
these pieces even go beyond what is in Project twenty
twenty five. They do, and it's a blueprint, but it's
not the whole print. And I think we got to
be clear about what it is, the reason, the pace

(01:18:56):
and what and how inflammatory they're being right now.

Speaker 5 (01:18:58):
Even the piece around the military the other day, you know,
like all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Of that, I think what you're referencing, Angela, is this
quote unquote pep rally, this g I Joe nonsense that
the Secretary of War formerly Secretary of Defense Pete Hexseth
hosted this week, Always a bad idea to gather our
generals from all across the country and put them in
one place. But that happened this week so much ridiculousness.

(01:19:22):
We didn't have time to get to it. But I
have to say I think Epstein files are not all
these things would have still been happening. I think it
was always a play just love the zone with chaos
and institute this authoritarian regime. And how frightening. I just
want to say thank you Andrew for raising this. I
would like to revisit this discussion if we can in

(01:19:44):
the coming months, because I'm sure we'll start to see
the victims of this incredibly draconian policy. And if this
were happening in any other country, the way we will
be covering it would be very different. So the fact
that this is happening in America, I can't stress enough.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
Please get the f.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Off your phones, stop scrolling, stop doing nothing like the
red line has been crossed. It is a fire right now.
I can't tell you all what to do, but I
at least want you to be aware. Closing your eyes
and checking out doesn't mean that these things aren't happening.
So this is frightening.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Tiff to your point, your last point there, and I
know we're moving on. It is that we all think
that there's one day, like you turn on a light switch,
it's dark, and then it's light. That's how it's supposed
to feel when we become what Trump is making us
to be. The truth is is that it's already here.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
The people in.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
China, they go to restaurants, they go to movies, they
get on their phones, and they get to commune with
each other. But the truth is is that that we
can still do all those things, except what about when
you decide that you disagree with the with the government.
What happens when you decide that you want to know
why you're being arrested. What happens when you decide to

(01:20:59):
speak up against them coming for you and your country?
Then you start to see the consequences of living in
an authoritarian regime. I know the topics were heavy and
somewhat light at different points in the show. But on
the other side of this break, you stay tuned, you
hear our CTA's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
All right, we are way over time, so let's quickly
get to our CTAs.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
Angela.

Speaker 7 (01:21:33):
You want to go first, okay? So for CTAs TIF,
I need a second. I don't know, I'll think it's
something quick.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Over time we way over times. I'm gonna be really quick,
I'll go. My CTA is there's an incredible organization called
Prison Journalism, and it is a program that teaches the
incarcerated how to be journalists, and so they write really
amazing stories about their experience being imprisoned. Some of the

(01:22:02):
stories are things like to avoid deportation, people want to
stay longer at my prison. Another one is air conditioning
is coming to Texas prisons, but not fast enough. Another
is what my mornings are like in prison. I read
this content because I can't take the influx of atrocities happening,
and so I just want the men and women who

(01:22:23):
are incarcerated to know you are not forgotten about. I
read your stories. I encourage other people. You can go
to prison Journalism dot com, I think is the website.
They also have an Instagram handle. I have some friends
who are on the board and I was reading stories
this week and thought, oh, I should talk about this
on Native Land. So that's my CTA. If you have
family in prison, if you know anybody, please let them
know that I said it. And if you happen to

(01:22:45):
have access to our YouTube and watch NLP, just know
that you are not forgotten about. I think about our
brethren and sisters behind bars every day, especially since Angela
recommended that I read Asada, which I'm still obsessed with.
So think about that for you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
Andrew, absolutely, rest in peace is a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
And power I will I will simply ask and admonish you.
Please please please go and read or google just in
as a Nathan s p M seven n sp M seven,
look it up. We cannot be caught unawares. We need

(01:23:28):
to know what's coming down, and especially because we are
at the center of its its target, and its impact,
we gotta know Google it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Okay, I guess it's my turn.

Speaker 7 (01:23:40):
I think the only thing that I would challenge our
audience within this moment is during our live show, I
ask folks to really contemplate why they are made for
this moment. And I think it's something that we need
to be asking ourselves every day. To Andrew's point, being
caught unaware, to tips point feeling like you're trying to

(01:24:01):
catch confetti, you have to constantly ask yourself what gifts,
what talents, what tools do you have? What time do
you have to really try to meet this moment that
we're in it's just not one for us to rest
on our laurels, and it doesn't mean that folks can't
take a break. But I do think that this is
a moment for mass action and I'm hoping that everybody
will join us in that, And you can start by

(01:24:22):
joining us this upcoming weekend at Culture Con where we
will be live, and also, as Tip said earlier in
the show, you will also.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
Be able to catch it Monday if you can't get
to New York on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
I'm looking forward to seeing y'all the most in New York,
but hopefully looking forward to seeing our audience as well.
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Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
Listen to me, gill get started. You are my actual family.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Yes, yes, he hyphenates Andrew Gillim Ryuh.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
Okay, it's a lot of misinformation. Jay, you guys, it
is really gross toasted. I like Briber, I don't mind it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Okay, there are three hundred and ninety seven days until
midterm elections. After everything we heard about NSPSM seven, I
hope I got that right. I'm extra concerned about midterms.
That doesn't mean that we're laying down. We're going to
fight everywhere we can anytime we can. But reminding you,
guys how many days there are until midterm elections also
warrants a reminder that our very democracy is under attack.

(01:26:26):
As much of democracy as we've had the limited experience
to endure here in America. All right, Welcome home y'all,
thanks for tuning in. And oh, by the way, check
out this week's mini pod. We have doctor Joy, you
know her from hosting Therapy for Black Girls. She's going
to be the guest on our mini pod. We're gonna
also on our minipod get some more of your viewer questions.

(01:26:47):
Then we're gonna talk a little bit about Serena Williams
and Megan Kelly. We didn't get to it this show,
but that will be featured on our mini pod, so
be sure to check us out.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
Welcome home, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
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info and all of the latest ridiculum and cross connected
to the statements that you leave on our socihows. Thank
you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice is cleared,
so grateful it took to execute roads. Thank you for serve,
defend and protect the truth. Even if paint we walking
home to all of the natives, We thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
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