Will Trump Force a Third Term?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Home, y'all.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
This is episode ninety six of Native Land Pod. We
are your host, Tiffany Crost, Andrew Gillum and Angela Rye
Rocking the cat today, rocking the cat, but spitting.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
No cat exactly down.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Exactly all right, let's get ready to pay for that.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Andrews stopped it, but I know, but you ain't got
to do an extra plug. Let's get so well.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Speaking of plug, let's plug what we're talking about today, Angela?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
What you got.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
As of Wednesday morning?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (00:39):
An excerpt from Kamala Harris's book One hundred and seven
Days was released on The Atlantic and I am very
eager to talk about that and whether or not y'all
read it.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
That's real, co host. I think we got bombs dropping
over sovereign states of of of Qatar. We got Trump
dropping bomb on speed boats in the Caribbean. We have
Russia invading Poland's airspace. Everybody is violating right now on
the international scale, and love to talk about the implications

(01:12):
of that on us.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I have questions for you on that, Andrews. I don't
know if I understand all of it, and our audience
probably doesn't either. So looking forward to that, I want
to get into this idea of Trump having a third term.
He has been toying with this idea, but this week,
in particular, Supreme Court Justices Amy Tony Barrett and Sonya
Solo Mayor were asked about it, and I just don't
think that society or the media is taking it seriously enough.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
So it looks like we have a lot to get into.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Let's rock, Yeah, okay, y'all. So I want to start
with this quote from the excerpt that was released in
The Atlantic on Wednesday morning. On Wednesday morning, they're thinking
was zero sum. If she's shining, he's dimmed. None of
them grasped that if I did well, he did well,

(02:01):
that given the concerns about his age, my visible success
as his vice president was vital. It would serve as
a testament to his judgment in choosing me and reassurance
that if something happened, the country was in good hands.
My success was important for him. His team didn't get it,
and I wanted to start there because I think that

(02:22):
many of us who have or interfaced with the Biden
administration at all. This was not a quiet rumbling. This
was something that was regularly discussed about how they were
handling Kamala Harris, what her portfolio was, Why was that
her portfolio? When was she going to get out front
and lead on some things? And I think really it
took until well into their third year, around the Dobbs

(02:43):
decision where we really saw her go out without him,
without kind of being restrained or handled by White House staff.
So this piece, to me was particularly resident because again
it wasn't a secret for those of us who knew her,
or know this administration or knew that administration, it was
the least are the worst kept secret. So I do

(03:04):
think that you know one I want to hear from
y'all on what you're expecting in this book. Again, it's
released on September twenty third, but I think that this
particular passage is fascinating because I thought we've been new this.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, let me just say for our viewers. This excerpt
was dropped in the Atlantic this week. Jeffrey Goldberg had
a really interesting who of course is the editor of
the Atlantic, had a really interesting intro even I thought
with how he introduced it, because he kind of sets
the tone of you know, there are so political books,
particularly post more than political books can be incredibly boring,

(03:39):
and he sets the tone that this is not what
he was expecting from her. And I think a lot
of people, particularly within the Beltway, will be talking about this,
and so I just want to take a moment and
tell our listeners. If you guys are talking about it,
please be sure to tell your friends that NLP tackle
this topic, this topic and share it among your group chats,
because we want to know if our thoughts reflect yours

(04:02):
and want to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Andrew, what's your take on this book?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know, just pulling back, I think it's impressive to
see her really sound like herself. And I guess what
I mean by that. Again, Angela alluded to this. For
those of us who have been in you know, contact,
or have had any real significant relationship with the vice president,
we know the authentic side, the real side, And I

(04:27):
think she invites the readers, at least so far in
this excerpt, and if this is a sign of things
to come with the full with the full writing of
the book released later, you know, this month. Then I
think we're in for a less filtered, almost to unfiltered
truth teller and Kamala Harris, who's really prepared to square

(04:49):
up with the ways in which she's been wronged, the
ways in which the credit that she's rightfully earned has
not been provided given to her right she hadn't been
given her flowers. And I also think will get a
less filtered version of her policy self, so her political self,

(05:11):
her policy self, and I think her true sort of
I'm Kamala. I'm Kamala, not the Kamala Harris, but I'm
kamala introduction for regular ordinary folks who just want to
know that there are points of relationship, points of relate
where you where they can say, oh I do that too,
she does that, Oh I do that too. I think

(05:33):
that's eluded her for a lot of her political career,
that relatableness between everyday common folks. And then the only
other thing I'd say, just sort a big picture would
be I've already started hearing some of the conversation amongst
the punditry class sort of reading this excerpt in contrast
to how Biden would feel, what Biden would think, And

(05:56):
I just want to say this is her writing, this
is reflecting her herolding journey, unprecedented in American history lift
from vice president to presidential contender because the city president
of the United States steps back from the nomination. So
it's okay if she centered in this, It's okay for

(06:17):
the book that she wrote to be about her experience
from her perspective and not centering Joe Biden in that.
That's not disloyal. I'm not being disrespectful to him. I'm
simply reminding us that we can read her words and
take them as hers in their own singular context without
having to compare her or contemplate how's this going to

(06:38):
land with Joe Biden's world.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
You kind of get.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Into some of my thoughts around this, Andrew, because I
do think this is a bigger deal to the chattering class,
to the punditry class than it is to America.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Writ large.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
I will say when I was reading the excerpt in
The Atlantic, that she does speak right to the heart
of black women.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Like she goes.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
She starts out with speaking to Zeta Phi Beta sorority.
She gives a shout out to the Divine nine right
off the top. She talks about the Bulet, and so
I think there are so many black people who will
immediately relate to this, and particularly her being this over
qualified woman who was standing behind and ailing. Some might

(07:23):
are you failing in health anyway, man, and so yes,
that will resonate. I also saw a counterpart in that,
and I think this is where it's always been a
balance right on what I would personally find interesting versus
what the audience at large would find interesting. I also
know there will be people Black people in particular, who

(07:44):
do not relate to the Bulet, who do not relate
to the Divine Nine, who do not relate to fraternities
and sororities in private colleges and HBCUs, and who will
still feel I do not this writing does not connect
with me. And so I think a lot of these
political posts more are so exciting to the Beltwegh class
and not necessarily to people outside of that, given what's

(08:06):
happening in the country. I also think I so understand
her frustration, and it's like I get to tell my story.
I will not be muzzled in this moment, and I
want to tell you all this is what happened to me.
I wonder if the appetite among the American readership, the
ever dwindling American readership, because we all know how hard

(08:28):
it is in publishing right now, if the appetite is less,
like we want to know what happened versus we want
to know how do we defeat Donald Trump and his minions?
Right now, I don't know how much people will latch
onto what was happening last year, given that we are
in a state of panic right now. So look, personally,

(08:50):
I am going to consume this book. Like I said,
I read it and I thought, oh, you are going there,
and this is an excellent excerpt to read to attract
you to it. I just don't know if the American
people have the appetite for it right now. I think
a lot of black women, black people with disposable income
will most certainly buy this book, and I anticipated that

(09:12):
it will spend a lot of time on the New
York Times bestseller list, and my best wishes to her,
I hope it does. I have completely divorced myself from
the Beltway class their opinions about it. Of course, they
will send her a white man in this and I
would just if they happen to ever listen to NLP.
I mean, I think they have to reckon with the
fact we talk all the time. We have a group

(09:32):
chat when we're together, we talk about things we rarely
and even in our group.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Chats outside of each other. I can't tell you.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
The last time somebody has said, oh my god, did
you guys see what happened on me depressed today?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Did you guys watch the panopolists today?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Like they are the anachronisms. Nobody gives this shit what
they have to say. So the fact that they're centering
Biden shows how disconnected they are from a multi demographic
society that has complet lely left them behind. They have
still trafficked in a media landscape that has been completely
bleached by their myopic, outdated, anachronistic viewpoints. And she's clear,

(10:11):
but she is clear to She's like C d G
A f okay. She's like, I'm coming out, guns of blazing,
and I'm saying what happened, So we'll see how how
people respond to it.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
I just I just no, no, no, I think that
the other part of this, that that is important, based
on some of the feedback that I'm seeing online, I'm
curious about it, and I will say in full disclosure
for those who are watching at home, this is not
a place where I represent the best of journalistic integrity.
I'm very biased. I love her deeply, and so I've

(10:42):
been curious to see what the comments were. And some
folks are like, why now, why didn't you say that?
Then you know where have you been? And I think
all of those questions are fair. But one thing that
I'm hoping that this book does is give us a
new frame for what can happen, even miraculously so in
such a short timeline. Again, they were talking about a

(11:05):
campaign that was run over a billion dollars worth of
a spend in one hundred and seven days. So what
happens if all of the people come together and think
the best and the brightest, and all of our ideas
and all of our innovation. We know what he's torn
up in more than one hundred and seven days, But
what happens if we come together to see real systemic change,
if we put our best thinking together in one hundred

(11:27):
and seven days? And I think that is the offering
that she also gives. It's not just a reflection, it's
an opportunity to lean into what happens if we really
come together in ways that I think are, frankly, i'm
precedented in this country for all the reasons we know,
including the fact that America is in fact a racist country.
But I hope that people will ask her why did

(11:48):
it take this long? I hope that people will not
center Joe Biden or anybody else's whiteness so much that
they can't understand that, yes, this man has been diagnosed
with cancer, Yes he is undergoing treatment, and yes it
is still her story to tell. And no, she does
not have a whole lot of bandwidth or room to
decide when the publisher decides to move forward the book.

(12:10):
You know, there are all these things. So I think
that you know, the fact that she wrote it, it
took her longer to write the book than it took
her to run a campaign one and two, it's still
a pretty I mean, if you know, it's a pretty
escalated timeline for the release of a book.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
So yeah, anyway, Andrew, but I want you to talk.
I have a question after.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Go ahead, Okay, just real quick, but first of all, listen,
her vice presidency like just ended. I know it has
felt like we've been through the three World War World
wars and all this kind of stuff as because the
speed and and just dizzying pace of of the of
the ruining of what we know is the American fabric

(12:49):
that this administration of the Trumps has undertaken. But in truth,
this is probably about the right time that you can
step back from a situation as un precedented and unparalleled
as what she has experienced, because not only was it
the one hundred and seven days, but it was also
doing that one hundred and seven days as a black

(13:10):
woman and as a woman, And those are layers that
also in the first rendering of these excerpts that sort
of really really pierced me was how much concentration and
emphasis was put on how she had to present next
to Biden, how she needed to appear, how she had

(13:33):
to demure, how she needed not to be impressive in
her speaking style, how she, you know, didn't need to
be the political winner on public on public policy issues
pursued by the administration for fear that it might dim
the light of the sitting president. When you're the sitting president,
ain't nobody gonna dim you light. You must you may

(13:53):
give it away, but you still are the president of
the United States. But but we knew this with our
going in, and there were lots of people in Biden
world who were very much so uh suspicious of her
after that debate where she bought in bussing and we're
unforgiving of her from that moment I was at that debate,
I remember gasping like, oh God, this is yeah, okay,

(14:18):
so this and it was a lasting thing. I think
it still lasts for a number of people and for
those listeners who you know, may not have a complete
relationship what I'm speaking of. This is a book that
I think every woman in politics, every woman period who
is trafficking and trying to be taken for your full worth,
to be seen as a whole person and not a

(14:40):
division of all the various parts of yourself. Of women
with ambition. And also it's important for men who work
with women who were equal to the task, if not
greater to to to to understand that we're not the
center of the universe and everything doesn't revolve around us.
We're not the sun. By we water and flower and

(15:02):
bring life and enlightenment to everything else around us. We
all cooperate, right, We're like a body and they're no
there are no extraneous parts. There's just the whole body,
and you got to treat it well. And I think
that's how politics, and particularly politicians the Democratic Party really
deserve an evolution here around this. We think of ourselves

(15:22):
as forward thinking around women and centering the needs of women,
but then in real practice, it's like if the man
ain't in the middle, you know, and that your actions
are then basically designed in contrast to mine, then you're
a lost cause you're too ambitious. I'm suspicious of you
because you won't be loyal because I don't know you

(15:44):
have designs on your life too. Your designs need to
be focused and based on my designs, and that's how
you design what you want to do. And I think
that that that belief that patriarchy is is alive and
well in both parties, but an American political culture period,
I think we all.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Will have to disaggregate women, right, you know, because I
don't know that black women necessarily feel aligned or allieship
with white women in politics. And I don't even mean
just like Trump supporters, I mean just in the Democratic Party.
I don't know that there is a lot of commonality
in our interests at times, you know, there are definitely

(16:20):
members of Congress who are white women who I think
espouse beliefs and things that I do not connect with,
some things that run contrary to my own humanity. So
that's why I said, I think she speaks right to
the heart of black women here.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
But I take your point.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, I definitely take your point.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
I just think in the concentric circles that there's a
circle there that I think all women will see familiarity. Yes,
but I think you're completely right that her experience is
coming from that of a black woman in politics, right.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
But I hope that white women can learn because I
think some of the people that she was talking about
who were saboteurs on a lot of her initiatives were
white women in the Biden administration. But I want to
get back to something right precisely. But I want to
get back to something Angela said because this is a
legitimate question, and I think people say, well, why didn't
you say that then? And Angela you know better than anyone,

(17:12):
and Andrew certainly you do too. This is why I
want your thoughts on this. Andrew, you were on a
short leaked list of potential VP running mates for Hillary Clinton.
Angela you've navigated politics from Capitol Hill, and you also,
in your position on Capitol Hill, worked with the Obama
administration on a lot of things, so we kind of
know the social norms and morays of politics, and it

(17:33):
really is that the vice president is not the person
out front. The vice president does typically genuflect to the
position of President. Joe Biden himself, uh, you know, had
a few faux pause on that he was out front
on gay marriage before Obama really said anything, and he
was also making a lot of social gaffs during the
Obama administration. I just think in this era of Trump,

(17:57):
because as people are asking that question, I hope they
can understand that that has been the tradition in Washington.
You know that you are You're not the star. You're
there to support the president. Some people argue the role
of VP is very superfluous, but I wonder in the
era of Trump, if that has all gone out the window,
like it has to, all of our norms have to

(18:18):
go out the window. And I think this is probably
the first political post mortem book that does that from
a VP role, and I wonder how this will inform
because she has been the first to step out there
and say, you know, f that, let me tell you
what was really going down. I wonder how this will

(18:39):
inform future VP roles, particularly under democratic administrations, if we
are ever to see one again, which we'll also get
to later in the show, and again is a hot topic.
So I hope y'all are sharing this because I want
to hear from y'all in the comments. What y'all think
if you're going to buy the book. If you bought
the book, what you think about it? Is you read
the read the excerpt and all that, but just cure

(19:00):
your thoughts about that for the VP role Andrew or Adela,
whomever want to take it.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
So I think there's a few things here. There's, you know,
this convergence even of experience that we that we're going
through right now. Tip to your point around living and
fascism and the obligation that we have to speak up
so that history is not only kind to us, but
that we did with the best we could for future generations.
And I wonder if some of her calculus wasn't you know,

(19:28):
I have an obligation and I agree with Andrew here
for all women, because I'm the first woman period to
serve in this role. Do I have an obligation to
tell you the hurdles I had to climb, the hills
I had to you know, uh scale to really make
this more and more equitable space for you. So I
wonder if she was like, you know, I know what

(19:49):
the norm is, but do I defy the norm? Because
if I don't, is there going to be another? That's
the first consideration. I think the second consideration is, you know,
given where we are right now and here history, it's like, yeah,
like there's kind of a collective obligation that hopefully we
all feel to tell the truth and shame the devil,
because if you don't really start telling the truth about

(20:10):
the many like errors, challenges, mistakes that this party, the
Democratic Party, has historically not learned from, they are bound
to continue to make the same mistakes and bound to
continue to lose. I kind of resent some of the
commentary I've seen y'all, and I know I might be
the one I'm like TIF today in the comments, but
not from Native Lampard. I'm on the book. But I

(20:33):
wonder if, like if some of what I'm feeling is like, oh,
there's this whiny they're talking about. She sounds whiny in
the book, which also sounds like a gender you know thing.
It's like you can't have you can't logic complaint, you know,
when you feel like you stepped out of the Senate

(20:53):
where you were like America's darling and Senate hearing rooms,
and then now you're going back into a space where
you just have to kind of carry the briefcase. And
I don't even think some of that is the norm.
There are other vice presidents that were more robust and
more visible. Mike Pence was not one of them. I
think a lot of people don't even remember he was a.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
VP, but that changed at all different.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Sorry, there's tables moving in here, so I don't know
if you can hear both.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Okay, we can.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Hear you, and maybe you should tell us. Can you
tell us where you are if you don't mind.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
I am in Montgomery, Alabama in a conference room. You
know we heard folks were so sorry, let me go
on mute. So it's not.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yes, the vice presidential as a role does does tend
to gen reflect to the to the to the principal,
the president. You try not to get in front of
your president, and that makes good sense. But once a
vice president is provided a portfolio by which the administration
expects her to take the lead. You do expect then
that the platform, the the opportunity is then created to

(22:07):
help the vice president excel on that portfolio. We all
saw out the gate. They gave her immigration, and of
course many of us crushed our heads saying, wait a minute,
you gave her an issue that even George Bush, when
you know, going back since Reagan, right since Reagan's embrace
of immigration, the Republican Party turned wholesale against it and

(22:28):
further administrations with the exception of a Bush who came
behind him, George Bush Junior whatever is what is it,
the third or the second son, baby Bush, George W. W. Bush,
who came in, frankly saying, we need a pathway to citizenship.

(22:49):
He tried to get that through Republican Congress, couldn't make
it happen. Obama, same deal. We wanted to try to
provide a pathway. So you gave her a portfolio that
even presidents with parties in their control in the House
and the Senate can't make happen. And you've now set
that in the lap of the vice president of the
United States, which I just saw as a setup from

(23:13):
the very beginning, and on the whiny thing, y'all, History
isn't whining, Okay, History is just history. History is what
has happened. And so I absolutely believe that that's a
gender related insulting assault. And I think we're gonna hear
a lot of that, and and frankly it's because of
our conditioning. And I actually think some of the worst

(23:33):
critique of her will probably come from other women, to
be honest about it.

Speaker 6 (23:39):
Who will who will?

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Who will want to set themselves apart as basically saying
if this had been my experience, I would have kept
it under the rug into myself. Some in our community
will say, is she being disloyal? And again, I thought
she was an incredibly loyal vice president, and I think
even in her writing here she's incredibly loyal. When she
does takes wipes at the adminised that she was a

(24:00):
part of, she takes swipes at the handlers surrounding the
president who caged on a number of issues and tried
to block his passes to her in many instances. And
so I just, I just, I just think people should one,
if you are a supporter of these folks, get out
and buy the book. Don't make it a question. Just

(24:23):
just do it, like Nike says. And then the other
thing is is look at it with a how do
you say, a graceful eye, Read it with a graceful eye.
All those got judgments and and backseat you know, driving
and and and quarterbacking. But you don't know. None of
us know because we've never been there, all right, And

(24:43):
if you have, maybe you can say a little something.
But if you haven't, take it for what it is
somebody else's attributed story of what happened, how they experienced it,
and then what they want us to know coming out
of it.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
I got competitors in the political podcast space to who
I'm eager to.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
See, Oh, I know you're talking about, don't get you know?
Who are eager to.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
See how they respond to this because they, especially around
the primary time, where there was, you know, a conversation
about a contested convention and whether or not Kama Hair
should be the nominee.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
They had some things to say about Joe Biden.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
So now that it's the black woman that came forward,
I'm eager to see how they respond.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yes, well, I'm just gonna say, pod Save America. I
wanted to see because I do feel like they speak
to a different demographic than we do.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
But you know, okay, and maybe others.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
But I know that particular podcast I feel sometimes does
not necessarily include our audience and our listeners. I think
they have a more bleached audience, I'll say.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
But I imagine the testament will be interesting. I think
it will be reflective of what they are capable of doing.
I agree, based off their walk in life, exactly as
we are based off our walk.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Exactly in life.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
But I imagine that we'll be talking about this for this
probably won't be the last time we'll talk about this
because her actual book, uh, you know, we'll have to
read the whole book. Right now, we're just reading the
excerpt that you can find in The Atlantic, So I
hope other people it is behind the pay will also
try to get a subscription if you can, or get
somebody to cut and pace and send it to you.
If you don't have a subscription, but looking forward.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
To say coins and buy it. On the twenty third, they.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Got some DVDs they slinging in the barbershop. Okay, I
just mean for the excerpt.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
But please do buy the book when it comes out,
but definitely would love to hear your thoughts in the
comments on the excerpts, because y'all know I stay in
the comments, but yeah, we should.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
I want to get into something else. Donald Trump really
thinks that he's going to run for a third term. No,
it's not constitutional, and yes, this man is crazy enough
to think it can happen in these crazy times. Who
knows we're going to get into that. On the other
side of this break, people are asking me to run

(27:07):
and there's a whole story about running for a third term.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I never looked into it, and they do say there's
a way you can do it, but I don't know
about that.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
But I want to do a fantastic job.

Speaker 7 (27:18):
In an exclusive phone interview, NBC's Christen Welker asked the
President about a possible scenario where Vice President Vance is
elected with President Trump as his running mate, and then
Vance steps aside, the President saying that's one method, but
there are others too, saying he would not talk about them.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
So that was Donald Trump toying with the idea of
a third term. And I wanted to talk about this
topic because I don't think people are taking this seriously
enough while we're focused on Epstein and kind of just
like yellow salacious topics. This is a really frightening story
to me. But the breaking news banner that you see

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above the vote and newspaper sections is all about something
else and not taking this seriously. It came up again
this week because Supreme Court justices rarely give interviews, They
rarely are out front talking, but two Supreme Court justices
spoke about this. First, I want you all to take
a listen to Justice Amy Cony Berry in an interview

(28:21):
with Fox News.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Is Brett bear.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Right and the twenty second Amendment says you can only
run for office for two terms?

Speaker 8 (28:29):
True?

Speaker 6 (28:30):
You think that that's cut and dry.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
Well, that's you know, that's what the amendment says, right,
you know after FDR had four terms that that's what
that amendment says.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Now, take a listen to Justice Sonya Solda Mayor on
the View this week, being posed that same question by
former Trump administration official Alissa Griffin.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Do you believe the twenty second Amendment is settled law?
The Constitution is settled law.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
Yeah, No, one has tried to challenge that. Until somebody tries,
you don't know. So it's not settled because we don't
have a court case about that issue.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
But it is in the constitution.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
And one should understand that there's nothing that is the greater.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
Law in the United States than the Constitution.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Of the United States.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I'm frightened about this. I do not think people are
taking this seriously enough. And this is why I keep saying,
you know, if we have midterm elections, and when we
talked earlier about in the last segment about secession, and
if we have another democratic administration in the White House,
I just I am baffled at this white media landscape.

(29:50):
That's like, oh that that crazy Trump. Yeah, Trump being Trump.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
What are you all like? Is this something that keeps
you all up at night?

Speaker 5 (29:59):
I wonder, So I won't say this is what keeps
me up at night. I'm really concerned about like DC
occupation and concerned about the people who are being disappeared. Literally,
as I'm talking to y'all, there are three troops outside
the window. And I got a text from a good
friend of mine that Memphis is making an announcement tomorrow

(30:19):
I'm sorry, an announcement this week that the National Guard
is going there too. So there are some things that
it sounds nuts to say, Tiff, I actually feel bad
about this coming out of my mouth. But there are
some things that feel more pressing. Right now. I'm given
that we're being forced to drink out of a fire
hose in real time and consistently. There's some drama, there's

(30:41):
some terrorism, there's something that we're having to answer to
every single day. I do think, to be fair, this
doesn't seem like something that white media is avoiding. The
two clips that we just played is white media talking
about this. What is scary to me, though, is it

(31:02):
just seems like a passing conversation about like.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (31:06):
And even more so I would expect I don't know,
it's not a Supreme Court opinion, but I don't want
Sonya sot A majority to sound as passive about it
as Amy Cony Barrett. I would have loved to hear
her say, you know, well, you know, before this administration,
the constitution was settled law, and before this administration or
before this attempt at this administration, we would have never

(31:28):
considered criminal immunity in the Supreme Court for a sitting president.
Before this administration, we went don just like she did
with the ice raids opinion. So I'm actually more I
know you were mad at the media law, but I'm
actually more frustrated with the ways in which these justices
who have these lifetime appointments, at least for now, it's

(31:49):
supposed to be settled law, right, you know, I want
you to give that the same energy that you would
protect that job friend, you know, And I just I don't.
I don't even hear that. I was more alarmed by
her response. Listen, like, wait, what you know.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Something? And it might have been, but.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Technically is it's been litigated before the court and it's
been settled. There's an opinion that says this is what
the Constitution says, and the Court has now affirmed it
through case such and such and such, because no one
has ever dared tried the most settled of all settled
law in the land, which is, you know more, I
shouldn't say the most settled, the most bedrock of all

(32:30):
the law in the land, the constitution of which other
laws emanate. It's where other laws, uh get their power,
is through its constitutionality. So she's right on that point,
But she's also right in saying nobody has dared tried
this before. And I also think she's probably being careful,
especially given the conservative media landscape out here, the conservative

(32:53):
landscape period in this country, not to exempt herself out
of this case. Should Trump have his way and set
up an instance where this question makes this way before
the court, at which point you can't have a justice
out there opining their opinion or they might be asked

(33:14):
to not make, you know, not be able to sit
for a case because they've already opined their opinion opinions
about has.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
A different set of obligations in there.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
It may and I'm just I'm simply saying, given the
conservative landscape that we are living in, they would be
so happy to take a clip from Justice on your
soda mayor expousing or extended comments about the fact that
absolutely the Constitution says what it says and there's no reproach. Well,
the truth is is that the Constitution has had reproach.
I mean, people bring suits on the basis that a

(33:49):
thing is unconstitutional and pushing the limits of the boundaries
of what the Constitution actually says. But if you are
a conservative jurists, which Amy Colly Barrett, appointed by Donald Trump,
says that she is it means you take the text
literally and I don't know how many literal derivations derivatives
you can get from a person can only run twice

(34:12):
for the presidency, right, and they go for letther say
they don't have to be consecutive, but rather that you
just simply cannot run twice. But to mention my own
become amy comby Barratt of four terms served by Roosevelt.
She knows that that was prior to the prior to
that constitutional amendment. In fact, that constitutional amendment emanated from
the fact that we did not want a president being

(34:34):
able to serve four terms. Prior to that, the Constitution
was silent on it, and we relied on the example
of George Washington and his willingness to step away from
that most powerful office at that time after two terms.
That was all we had. Well, now we got law
that says this is what it is.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
But I think also the idea that we have to
confront that the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
I mean, Donald Trump has like declare that, like, these
are just rules and laws that y'all made up, don't
I don't like guide right exactly, Like this is a framework.
But if I don't like something, then I don't want

(35:10):
to do it. And I think what's at the root
cause of our concern, our collective concern, because Angela, you're
talking about, well, that's not what's keeping me up at night,
because there's this urgent thing you mentioned drinking from the
fire holes.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
But it's really all the same thing.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
It is is Donald Trump just skirting our democratic norms
and pushing the limits of power and testing these systems
until they're broken, and flooding us with chaos until chaos
seems normal. You also mentioned I have to say, I've
not seen the reporting on Memphis, and I know the
Republican governor there, Bill Lee, has said in recent weeks

(35:46):
that he is not interested in deploying the National Guard,
so that hasn't been reported yet. But that does not
mean that it's not on the precipice of happening right now.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
And it leads us to a question.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, potentially, see it leads us to a viewer who
had that same compar.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
I'm missuring you that it's it's from an elected official.

Speaker 9 (36:04):
Have you guys noticed how Detroit, Michigan has been omitted
from the list of places at the National Guard.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's being sent to you by the President.

Speaker 9 (36:14):
He's named Baltimore DC LA Elisha Kato as many negative
connotations as Detroit has had over the years, as much
crime written as he's been saying to our CNE. But
for us to be omitted from the list noticeably multiple
times every time, then now so, and I'm waiting for
our name to be at it.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
It's not.

Speaker 9 (36:35):
And there's no scarier time for a person in an
abusive relationship than when their abuser goes silent or pauses
the cycle. Why could you know you're not out of
the abusive relationship? So either you are a in the
discard phase where you don't even care whether I've live
or die, or more than likely the latter, which is

(36:58):
b you plan something extra sinister for that person, your victim,
Because I'm like, what you gotta plan for us for
twenty twenty six. So if y'all have heard anything any
rum planers about what's playing for Michigan in twenty twenty six,
because we got a manor or election happening. When we
got a thirty seven year old black woman who is
leading leading in the post. We also got Garland kill

(37:19):
Chris the lieutenant governor who's black man running for governor
of state of Michigan against independent Mike Duggan.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
I'm gonna keep myself.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
On that to the side. But have y'all heard anything
about what he has planned for Michigan, because honey, I
need to know.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
I love that quiet rightly whisper like somebody right there.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
But this is the point that how quickly you can
move And if I wasn't disputing what you were saying,
I was responsibly saying that there had been no reporting
about it. But certainly things can happen so quickly that
there sometimes there isn't a warning.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
And to her point about Detroit, it's.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Like, yeah, we could wake up to we don't know,
we could wake up tomorrow and there it won't just
be Memphis, or it could be Memphis Detroit, like who knows.
So it's very frightening, and I think that is rooted
in this discussion, how quickly these things can happen, and like,
how do you address these challenges? When I first, because

(38:13):
we've read the transcript of her question, I'm like, and
she wanted them to come to destroy but hearing her
the concern and her voice, and thank you, by the
way for taking the time to record that video and
share it with us. I don't even know how we
combat that.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
I really don't know, actually helpful, I mean, actually really
really app analogy. I will tell you anytime Trump gets
gets in hot water. I started getting more and more concerned. Right, So,
the Epstein industris earlier in the week, and then the
next thing, we know, you know, in Chicago, they didn't

(38:47):
you know, they've unleashed already. Homeland security folks were operating
in the city the next morning after the breaking of
the whole Epstein thing takes place, and then immediately and
I ken't remember that what the timing was. You all
make correct me? Uh, this is one of the topics
I wanted to bring up a little bit later, was
the whole dropping bombs on a speed boat in international waters.

(39:11):
So I just think we're all anything is on the block, period.
But absolutely, when Trump is overwhelmed by criticism, just hold on, just.

Speaker 7 (39:25):
Holding on this.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
But I do think this does happen in Tennessee. This
would be the first time that he's doing this. Correct me,
if I'm wrong, I could be exactly accurate and a
Republican led states. But to me, once that happens. It
opens the door for a lot of other things.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
But this is the thing that I jump It is
important for us to contextualize. He is sending the National
Guard into Memphis, of course, and there that is a
black mayor. The challenge we have is the very thing
that we flagged on this show about the way that
Marrio Bowser was almost welcoming to Donald Trump. Because Memphis

(40:05):
is mayor is cut from a similar cloth as Mariel Bowser.
So he is cooperating in advance with this based on
what I'm being told from an elected official source. So
it is a little different because we know that the
state also has some responsibility for the National Guard. We
know that they're fine with it, and then you have
someone who's a willing participant at the mayoral level in Memphis.

(40:29):
The other thing that I was going to flag for
the question Lakisha, again thank you for sending it in,
is there is an election in Detroit, but it ain't
happen yet. So Mary Sheffield ain't the Mary yet. Who
is the mayor? Is Mike Duggan, who is running against
Garland for the gubernature in the gubernatorial race. Why does

(40:49):
that matter? This man is a partner with several MAGA
folks on several investments, including completely whitewashing Detroit, and so
I still think it is different. There is a wink
and nod relationship going on here, and you will see
that some of the pressure is ramped down with folks
who Donald Trump has a good relationship with. He is

(41:11):
an ego maniacal human being. That is how this works.
So I think that is important we can there is
a there is a system. But I think that no
matter what, he wants to make a black mayor look bad,
and I think no matter what, where he has a
good relationship where someone's will willfully stroking his ego, he
needs showing up the same way.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
But it will it will be an interesting challenge to
see how a Republican governor, because mayors don't have say
over the National Guard or its deployment. The confrontation is
with the governors. Because you deploy national Guard in my state,
it is an affront to me. You say, you're coming
into my state and we can't handle the issues of
crime or that that city within my state can't and

(41:50):
so you're going to basically borrow the power of the governor.
Because the governor is the one who generally generally is
responsible for calling up the National Guard. The last time
prior to Trump, deployed National Guard soldiers was to get
you know, was to integrate Southern UH public schools. So
so it's not a practice that that presidents generally utilized,

(42:15):
which I know we all know, but I do. I
am interested. I actually am very I wish it wouldn't happen,
but if it is going to happen, I'd be curious
to know how a governor, a Republican governor is going
to stand when his state is in the crosshairs. Is
he going to stand with the people of his state
and say, you're not going to degrade us this way?
Or does he say, hey, we've got the welcome that
rolled out, come on in.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
You.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
But well, the framing of the discussion when when this
initially started happening is well, why not do this in
Republican led states? And I had such an issue with
that because it's like, no, we're not trying to normalize this.
And again I understand, I just want to be clear.
This is something somebody said this to Angela. An elected
official said this to Angela, that this is happening. We're

(43:00):
not saying it's happening. Angela's saying, this is what I'm
being told that it's happening. But again, in Trump's America,
we have no I like, literally, you wake up and
it's like, at any moment, it could be a breaking
news banner that he's deployed.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
But this will.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I do think this will be a game changer if
he starts deploying these folks in Republican led states, because
then that puts a whole lot of other cities like Jackson,
Atlanta and when you usually you should count. He said,
he already said he was sending it into New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
That's why I'm like, this is as yet what you're saying.
I'm just telling you he does not care. He does
not have There's no safety net or or or or
a hedge of protection for a black mayor in whether
the state is red, blue, purple green, whatever. If they
are a black mayor who is not willing to bend

(43:51):
the knee, they are in harms.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
Way.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I disagree you black people, period.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
And guess what this may be. How people started learning
about where these things are popping up is on the hotline,
and it's back to your point earlier point, Angel Love,
like we have to get into we need to know
our neighbor, We need to know our people, because it
may get to the point where it's like, hey, y'all,
is a red alert.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Speaking of red alert, Andrew, I know that you wanted
to talk about what's happening in Doha, which is also
crazy and major.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Well, of course, the third term is deadly dangerous for
us in the US. But there's some of the things
deadly dangerous, and that's this widening distabling on the global stage.
You we'll talk about that on the other side of
this break. I know a lot of folks are We

(44:48):
get it from our listeners, and we get it from
manage a little bit too. You know, the international issues
can be a bit distraction. But I want before we
go to Doha, I just want to say no, no, no,
I mean, you say, focus on international because we got
so much going on domestically, and I think that's probably
a view shared by our listeners as well. We we

(45:10):
got to protect ourselves, and this is in the vein
of protecting ourselves, because we got to see ourselves at
the intersection of these of many of these issues where
we do come into focus. Yes, we we heard about
the strikes and and Doha. I know I've I've been, Angela.
I know you've traveled to Doha, uh Tiff, You've been everywhere.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I've never been to Doha. I've never been to Guitar.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Well it is, I have to tell you. Aside from
the stifling, uh dry heat, it was a beautiful, you know,
a beautiful visit. I of course had my exceptions with
the politics of the conservative bend and and and the
politics and the place. But nonetheless, it is a sovereign country,
which in sovereign means to them, you know, they have
the right of borders. They have international rights of being

(45:56):
seen as a separate, as a autonomous state, separate and
apart from any other, which means they have the rights
of self determination. You can't just fly over their airspace.
You just can't drop bombs on them without declarations of
warsaw and so forth. But before really digging in it,
I just want to say, Trump and none of us
should miss this really really stretched the presidency and our

(46:20):
understanding of international law. Earlier this week, this past weekend,
when he decided that he was going to send the
United States military to intercept a speed boat, and I
think the speedboat had like eleven people on it, but
nonetheless it was a personal vessel, right, not a military

(46:44):
vessel a threat of any sort that we know of.
And he basically extended what would have normally been a
protocol that would have been undertaken should there have been
a weaponized military imminent threat on the United States, which
then we would be compelled to respond. But he decided

(47:07):
that he believed that drugs were being trafficked over international
waters with their destination being the United States of America,
even though the boat was in the Caribbean, and decided
to use the United States.

Speaker 10 (47:23):
Navy to take out this boat with citizens pedestrian citizens,
not US citizens, but ped Venezuelan citizens on the boat.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Now, typically the way this would have been handled is
the coast Guard would have likely intercepted any vessel that
they thought were trafficking drugs. They would haveborted it. They
would have searched it and determined whether or not, and
if it was determined that there were drugs on it,
they would have been arrested and bought before courts and
given due process of the law. Facts would have had
to be established in this case, y'all, this man decided, Yeah,

(47:57):
there are drugs on the boat. These are bad people.
I'm a drop some bombs. We're going to take them out.
They're now sitting in the bottom of the Caribbean Ocean
and it's handled. We don't know where that boat was going,
we don't know whether it had drugs on it, we
don't know who the people were that were on it,
and no proof has been extended. So what happens to
American citizens who maybe vacationing in the Caribbean, who might

(48:20):
be on a boat and might be people who were
critical of the president, and the president decides that he
wants to send the US military based off of his
precept of what he believes is happening, and take you out.
I just want us to think about what an explosion,
an extension, an incredible extension of law that is, and
the fact that this was so close. I guess I

(48:42):
take it more personally because I'm a Floridian and I
got family Andbeminy and Bahamas. You know, we travel on
the like is going to Miami right from where I live.
That's how commonplace it is. And in those international waters
that a president of the United States can decide to
take us out off of an assumption not proven and
no due process accorded, law involved whatsoever. That's what took

(49:05):
place here. And so the license that he creates here,
we're not seeing that same license being extended across the world. Now. Yah,
who doesn't inform the United States, who is their protector,
who basically pays for the military and is the security
guarantee for Israel, doesn't inform the United States and decides

(49:25):
to enter with with drones or actually these are their
their aircraft go into a sovereign nation and drop bombs
in a residential area. And just so you know about
this residential area, this is a part of Doha where
many expats and foreign diplomats live and they drop We
already know they don't care about people's lives because they

(49:46):
drop bombs on hospitals and kill women, children, kids, and journalists.
But in this case, you now ventored a sovereign territory
where the United States has a huge military outpost, huge
military base, and don't consult anybody, and the wreckage there
is still being accounted. And the last example I'll give
is we learned this week in the middle of the

(50:08):
week that Russia decided to send over four to eighteen drones,
almost two dozen drones over Poland with their destination not
being completely clear. Poland is a NATO ally of which
the United States is compelled to defend if they are attacked.
We don't invade people's airspace with drones or weaponry with

(50:30):
no sense of where the destination is. If we, the
United States were to send weapons over Poland, we would
have to tell them what we're doing and ask their
permission for their airspace. And so all I'm saying is
that I can't treat these isolated because we, the leader
of the free world, is setting the example that international
law doesn't matter. In fact, laws on our own land

(50:51):
don't matter. And therefore the innertial order, y'all is collapsing
around us. And if you don't think that impacts us,
think again, Well.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
There are a group of people who think it impacts us.
Donald Trump is week attempted to have dinner out in
d C. And the citizens I'm free people are going
to continue to make him feel uncomfortable. Uh, this is
what happened when he tried to have dinner at Joe's
Stone Cold Crab Right here in the nation's capital.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Take a list, stone cold crabt.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
What I say wrong, stone cold?

Speaker 5 (51:28):
I love it. That should be to do day and
we should have a black by bad Oh my god.

Speaker 9 (51:38):
How like.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
So that is what happened when Donald Trump, and you
can see him selling people get out of here, like
get them out of here. He was dining with Defense
Secretary Pete Excess, Vice President JD. Vance and Secretary of
State Marco Rubio, and people let.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Them know how the.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Right exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
But I also saw people applauding and taking pictures of him,
and he kept saying, how safety c is now. And
that is the point, like it is safe for white
Trump supporters to dine, but not anyone else. And so
to your point, and to make that bridge between what's
happening here domestically and what's happening across the world globally
when you talk about you know, Russia's efforts in Poland,

(52:33):
that is a part of Vladimir Putin's global ambitions and
NATO stands in the way of that. And so we
really are seeing Donald Trump reshape the global world order.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Who are at We're.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Treating allies as enemies and enemies as allies and it's
a crazy time. And to Angela's point about all the
things that we have to worry about here, I just
feel like there's this convergence that's going to happen. We
are in disarray here and our in, our actual enemies
will look at this like this is the perfect time.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
The United States is in disarray.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
What a better time than to bring terrorism to their
front door, to disrupt their sense of normalcy here. So
I don't know, I'm quite afraid of it, and it's
giving me a little bit of inks about what's happening
on the global stage and what's happening here domestically. Angela,
let me ask you, because I know that you know

(53:26):
you uh some you know are curious about what's happening
across the globe. What do you think, like do you
draw a connection between what's happening here domestically and like
how fearful are you in the order of a hierarchy
about what's happening across the globe? Especially because I didn't
know that you had been to Doha before, so having

(53:48):
been on the ground there, I feel like you have
a greater appreciation than I do about what it meant
for the Israeli government to the bomb residential areas.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
So is any.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Thoughts you know, t if I appreciate that, but I
think I do want to bring it back home. Welcome home, y'all.
For this very reason, I worked on the Homeland Security
Committee too in the House how a uh security clearance.
But also think it is important for people to understand

(54:20):
that our instability, everything that is happening here is absolutely
a matter of national security. So when you talk about
bringing terrorism to our front door, absolutely. The other thing
that we've we didn't talk about, but I hope we
can soon, is the fact that they are asking ICE
to secure this partnership with a digital firm that can

(54:43):
hack into our phones, including encrypted apps like Signal that
we readily rely upon. And I'm bringing that up to say,
if you purchase the app, you think that they're not
going to use that on your phone? Secretary Pete Heckson,
you think that they're not like these are These are
for and actors, and we are affording them access willfully,

(55:04):
naively and really frankly dangerously. Right. So, I think that
there are a number of places where we are at risk.
Our infrastructure is at risk, our cyber security is at risk.
Our homeland is at risk, and it is from natural
and man made disasters. And the greatest man made disaster
there is is Donald and Goddamn Trump. So I think

(55:26):
that we have to be very clear about all of
the many ways in which we're vulnerable. I would love
for us to get a national security expert on. I
do not purport to be one, but I think that
we should have one on to talk about all of
the many places that we are way vulnerable. And I
think this is I think is one of those even
you know, Andrew you talking about being in the wild,

(55:48):
there are some spaces that we should not be susceptible
to those kinds of threats. And it seems like all
of the rules surprise, surprise are out of the window.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
But you know what a lilati if they have a
common thread, and that is Trump is using what had
previously been tactics held for foreign wars for foreign activity,
and he has basically made them domestic. The military turned
on its people, right, using the Navy for law enforcement

(56:25):
and turning it's on its people. You going in and
weaponizing our technology against us so that they can get
into our phones and evade. Now all national all all
guarantees we have over civil liberties. Those are those are
tactics that they have extended in foreign wars that they

(56:46):
are now turning on their own people domestically. It is
against the law. It has been ruled against the law,
but they are skirting the law in every way possible
and basically taking what are militarized and national security apparatus,
which are used to repel foreign agents and in rare cases,

(57:07):
those that are domestic who are against us. They're using
that apparatus and they're turning the whole damn thing on
the four hundred plus million people who call this place home,
the Free States of the United States of America. We
gotta be careful building his own military force through homeland security.
He's taken the military apparatus and he's pointing it at us.

(57:32):
That's the danger.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah, heavy times, heavy times, you guys. I know we
got to a lot today. I know we've probably overloaded
the audience. But again, I hope that you all will
share these conversations and rate, review, subscribe and all the things.
And I read the comments, so I would love to
hear your thoughts in the comments below about former Vice

(57:54):
President Kamala Harris's book about the global threats that we're facing,
and most certainly about Donald Trump having a third term.
And of course, if you have a question common if
we say something you agreed with or disagreed with, do
please drop us a video. We say welcome home, because

(58:15):
we do really welcome you home. This is your home too,
and so we you all are part of the conversation.
We're not hosts talking at you. We're co hosts talking
with you. And you guys are really co hosts too,
because when you want us to talk about a topic,
we will talk about that topic. So I look forward
to looking at your videos and including them in the show.
Let's get to CTA's let's get to these calls to
action for real.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
All right, Well, what you guys? Did you make fun
of me?

Speaker 1 (58:47):
By the way, earlier in the show, Andrew you said
insults and assaults. That was some nice alliteration that I
do plan on stealing. So I just want to give
you a heads up now, got it?

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Hey, I appreciate I appreciate the attribution. At this stage,
I know I won't see it again, but I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Here for show.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
You know what, folks, I would say, I don't know.
This is for parents with kids who have just returned
to school and that sort of thing. And I'm just
I'm reminded of the fact that we can't take for
granted that everyone is going to see our children's light
and their talent, and that no matter what grade they're
in and where and how accelerated they may be in

(59:27):
their classes, that we still have to be our children's
best and first advocate, speaking up, showing up at the
the open houses, having those conferences with the teachers. If
they don't schedule them, you initiate them to check in
on your child, because so often they can be overlooked

(59:48):
or their performance can be seen as anomalies rather than no,
this is actually the standard at which they perform, and
based off that, we recommend this, this, that, and the third.
But we can just let hand our children. There's no
other environment by which we would hand our children over
to strangers, by and large, to us and take our

(01:00:10):
hands off of them for seven eight hours of the
day and not be curious about what happened in that
period of time. And so I just encourage whether you're
a parent, a grandparent, a godparent, whatever role you may
serve in the child's life that we're still their best
and first advocates always.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I love that, Hadela. What you got.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Mine is I want to urge you all, if you haven't,
to please go back black black, go black, Yes, but
also go back and listen to our episode with the
Afro Bibleist. Oh yeah, I'm encouraging that because and if
you need to do it like once a month. And

(01:00:57):
I'm saying that because I really want us to be
clear about the danger that lies ahead. I really want
us to figure out what concerted effort, what role we
can play in the times that are coming. Whether you
are a funder and you want to help people with
legal expenses in this very illegal setup that we find

(01:01:20):
ourselves in, if you are a black farmer and you
want to ensure that fresh produce is available to your community,
if you have land and you want to make sure
that there's a safe haven for those of us who
need safety and lack shelter or property. I just want
us to be very intentional about what assets, what talents,
what gifts we have to pour into this communal pot

(01:01:42):
in this environment. And please be ready. You know what
they say, y'all, If we say ready, we ain't got
to give thank you to flavor Flave Andrew you already
went and tip you have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Okay, well, I'm glad to go. Last.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
What I was gonna say, mine's a little woo woo.
But I feel like we're all a little more sentiment
so in our call saction this week. So I just
had a long therapy session that I'll tell you guys
about later, but it's really brought home the idea to
me that life is so temporary, like so temporary, but
not just temporary but brief, like it goes by, like

(01:02:19):
the years can be seconds, like we really just are
tiny grains of sand in this hour glass of time.
And it has put in perspective for me because I
would look back at my life and in my twenties
and my thirties, it was like I was making all
these plans, waiting for life to begin. And then when
you get to forty and you look back and you're like,
oh no, but life was happening all those times that

(01:02:40):
you were making plans and waiting for life to start,
your life was happening. Then life happens all around you,
and so the decades are flying by and now that
I'm closer to fifty than I am to forty, then
I am the thirty twenty. It's really making me center
the fact that every single day is a gift and
every single day is happening right now, because I even

(01:03:00):
find myself now waiting for life to begin. You know,
maybe life will begin when I insert whatever, you know,
when I get this dream job, when I get married,
when I achieve something I don't know whatever your insert is,
and I just don't feel that way. And so it
started with small things for me. It's like, you know,
I've always wanted this liquor cabinet, I'm going.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
To buy it, like why wait?

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Or you know I have this special bottle that I've
been waiting the crack open.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
But it's today is special because.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I'm alive and I'm well, and I'm here and I'm
bearing witness to this history. So not letting the minutia
of the day get me down, but really embracing the
fact that I am living my life today. I am present,
and even in some African cultures, there is no concept
of a future, there's no concept of tomorrow, because it's
just your imagination. Today is happening right now. So I

(01:03:50):
just want to share that with everybody. And if it
encourages you to be more present in this moment and
live today, then whatever that means it looks like to you,
I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I want to tell you guys about it with you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
But my mother in law, yes, please please tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
I was just gonna say, my mother luve like, so
you know how you have china cabinets and nice towels
that you don't bring out except for my mother. Love
does not live that way. It don't matter what she's serving,
it's going if she's eaten by herself, it's gonna be
on her china, it's gonna be on her fine dining.
If she's gonna wear her you know mink, if she
wants to, she's you know, you close to her over

(01:04:24):
there at Alabama. Uh, Angela. But but I love that,
And I found myself of late and honestly, this is
an every night inventory. It has become is when my
kids time to go to bed, I start like retracing,
like did I spend enough time talking to them after
school today? Did I spend enough time? Like it's kind
of getting underneath just evaluating that in the you know,

(01:04:46):
in the day, in the moment, and then trying to
do better than setting myself up in the fantasy and
the what hasn't come. But what I hope to manifest
is that tomorrow I'll spend more time because, as they say,
the days alone, but the years are short. Yea, And
I think that's true for not just children, but you know,
for for our individual lives. The days, yeah, they can

(01:05:06):
be long, but the years are short.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
So true, so true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
So I'm hoping that you all can take something from
that and shout out to Andrew's mother in law. He
talks about you all the time. The boy loved his
mother and his mother in love.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Your mama.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
We love mom, yes, absolutely all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
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Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
People, I should always be young people, girl always got anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
We are Tiviny Gries, Angela right, Andrew Gilliam.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
There are four hundred and eighteen days.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Until midterm elections, but we don't see if those actually happened.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
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