October 27, 2025 • 55 mins
On this special SoloPod, Angela Rye and attorney A.B. Burns-Tucker (A.K.A. IAMLEGALLYHYPE) tackle California’s proposition 50, CA reparations measures, and answer YOUR questions.
This episode originally aired as an Instagram live stream on 10-23-25.
Proposition 50 seeks to redraw California’s electoral maps to give Democrats as many as 8 more seats in the U.S. Congress. It’s the only measure on the ballot for CA voters this November.
Recently, Governor Gavin Newsom signed a reparations bill to create a Bureau for Descendents of American Slavery in California. There were five other reparations bills put before the governor by the CA legislature that he vetoed. Angela criticized him for those vetoes and caught some flack online for it , she will respond to the haters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with
Reezon Choice Media. Hello, everyone, we are just about to
get started. We have a really important conversation today was
one of my favorite commentators. This is a special edition
of Native Lampods, my solo pod. I'm Angela Rye and
(00:21):
we are going to go ahead. Shout out to Daniel
in the comments Welcome home. That is our official.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Song writer and rapper.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So I want to go ahead and get started with
Legally hype A B.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Tucker, who is.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
One of my favorite attorneys and someone who is absolutely
skilled and brilliant on the issues we're going to discuss today.
I stepped into it yesterday with some of y'all and
it's fine. We're gonna talk about where I'm wrong, where
I know I'm right, and I'm sure that Legally Hypo
(00:55):
have some things to add them, maybe a little different,
So we can go ahead and get started. Now. We
are talking Prop fifty, which is on the ballot in
California in this upcoming election on November fourth, and we're
also talking about you have a new sum So let's
get started. Hey, hey girl, Hey, how are you. I'm
excited about this so y'a frames your glasses are so cute.
(01:15):
I'm going to tell you that in one of the
posts you put up the other day with a little
will go to yeah, you should have rocked it today.
Since everybody want to be a thug in.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
My comments, I know, and I normally do when I
do my Prop fifty stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You called me slipping a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Hank go hug you. Okay, Well, I want to do
this first because I think this is the most important thing.
Hearing the objections around timing, I want to start with
what's most important. The main thing right now is the
election that's coming up on November fourth. So I would
love for you to tell people in your labman's terms
and you gonna lay women's terms, what is Prop fifty and
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why should California voters care and why should the rest
of the country be good allies?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I mean so, the way I've been framing it for
my audience is Prop fifty is basically our way to
buck up against racism in this country. Right, So you
have Republican led states, right, you got red states.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
This what we're doing in California.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Is pretty much on the back of where Texas had
us messed up. They started redrawing their districts so that
they had the Republicans would have more political power in Congress,
right to a point where people didn't even know that
that's how representatives were chosen, like, oh, you could read
all the lines, yes, right, so they read draw them
so that black people and brown people would basically have
(02:37):
less of a stay in their boat, right, and so
we wouldn't have the same type of representation when we
got to Congress. So what California said where Prop fifty
was like, okay, bet Texas, we got some for you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You want to read.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
All your lines, we can get our pencils and we
can redraw them too, but we're gonna one up you
with that one, as opposed to just slick slick this
in our constituents, right, slick dis in Californias and being like,
we just gonna do what we want to do. We're
gonna let California choose. Is this what you want to
do do?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They went low, do you want to squabble up?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So went Prop fifty is basically California's way to squabble
up against Texas and say no, we're not gonna play
with you like that. We're gonna we're gonna balance out
the score, right, And what we're gonna do is, if
y'all still some Republican seats, we're gonna make them seats
Democrat in California, and it's gonna be even, it's gonna
be balanced. So it's basically like a head head up
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fade against Texas.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Right now, did that make sense? That makes service sense
to me. It makes perfect sense to me. Now for
those of you who are like I want to know
what the Secretary of State's official voter guide says or
read that to you. Prop fifty authorizes temporary changes to
congressional district maps in response to Texas partisan redistricting legislative
constitutional Amendment. I want to take this moment to shout
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out Jelanda Jones, who many of us got to know
from her very fierce advocacy around what was happening in
Texas and the co coliar I did her first interview
when she decided to say, okay, well, since y'all don't
want to do nothing, I'm gonna be right here and
they so we're gonna lock you on the House Shabor floor.
And she was like, mine, somebody bring me some snacks.
So we're very clear that this is not just something
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that's impacting California as California voters. It is across the country.
The math does not really math for us. I think
we should be honest about that. Yeah, in a lot
of ways, this is going to be an uphill battle.
But yes, unquestionably vote yes on Prop fifty. For additional
information on Prop fifty, the guest voters, that's the only
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information I'm willing to give you right now is at
Stop Election Rigging dot com. This is a ballot measure
that is being championed by Governor Gavin Newsom. It is
also a ballot measure that was passed and that's how
it got on the ballot to begin with, by the
California State Legislature. So let's be very clear about that now.
(04:58):
This is where the trouble began, your friend. So yesterday,
first of all, I want to shout out our new
social team.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But our new social team is with all the smoke.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Okay, so they are captioning things in ways then you know,
maybe I wouldn't capturing it that way, but it's fine.
It's a learning lesson. We're learning a pattern. And there
was a lot of engagement on the posts, and I
thought it was actually healthy because there are folks who
do have misinformation on what's going on in California, not
really clear about what happened with Gavin Newsom last week.
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And the reparations measures that we're calling reparations measures that
I actually have an argument for, they're not necessarily reparations
as we would normally see them. And then the timing,
So some of the things that came up sis is
folks felt like I shouldn't have posted that video because
the timing is bad given the Prop fifty vote, which
is in two weeks now, it's roughly two weeks. And
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then of course early voting has already began here, folks
who are mailing in ballots are already mailing in ballots,
so they're like, why you got to do this right now?
Why you messing with Gavin right And then the other
thing that came up is somebody said, well, I don't
know why you're doing this. We're never getting reparations. Not
willing to see that point. And then the other thing
that has come up quite a bit is why would
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you attack Gavin Newsom when he's the only fighter we
have against Donald Trump, and I think that some of
my issue with that is I think that people have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
To walk into gum at the same time.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And when I say that, people are like, all right,
well you you are saying that we can walk at
your gum, but people can't ever really discern or decipher
what's on a ballot what's not.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And I would just say to that, I resent that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Because, like, first of all, if you a black girl
in America, we learned how to double dutch, that is
better than walking into and at the same time. Okay,
they might not know about double dutch, but I know
about double dutch. And I think like, if we can walk,
we can drive, we can wrap while we drive it,
we can stop at the light, we can signal, we
can do multiple things at once. And right now we're
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in an environment where we got to walk into gum
because of the shut Now we got to walk into
gun because of the attacks on the Monica MacIver and
Tis James and Fannie Willis who they're now going after.
We have to walk into gum because we are seeing
trouble on every side. Not to mention this man has
decided to tear a hole in the in the east
wing of the White House and is seeking his own
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reparations restitution from the Department of Justice to the tune
of two hundred and thirty million dollars. That would be
our taxpayer dollars. But every time black folks need something,
my good sister, we have to wait our turn, wait
in line.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's not time.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And I think that that is actually a great disservice
to our folks.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So here's my issue. I want to know why.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
We cannot say we should vote yes on Prompt fifty
because that is in our strategic best interest, that is
in a line with our political power, that ensures that
we have access to the ballot box. And then when
we go, there are people who think and hopefully also
look like us when we go, because what they've done
in Texas and what they're doing in North Carolina, what
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they're doing in Missouri, and what they're doing in Indiana
and Texas absolutely is racist. Yeah. So if that's the case,
we have to have people who will be filters in
combat that. But I want them to keep that same
energy when black people need to be made whole. So
now that's what I wanted to say about that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, So I agree, So I don't think that we're
incapable of walking and chewing gum, right, But going back
to the driving analogy, like you still have to learn
how to drive, and everybody hasn't got their lesson, I
think is what the argument is in the comment section, right.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So I don't think.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That you're wrong in addressing it, right, putting it out
there and being like we need to look at both
sides of this. But I think what people are concerned about.
But it seemed like what I read comments people are
concerned about is what we're learning is a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Just can't walk and choose them right.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
They either learn how to walk and then learn how
to chew, right, or didn't learn how to walk and
learn how to chew and now we're having to teach
them simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Majority, I don't want to say majority.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What we're finding out is a lot of people are
more civically illiterate than we probably assume. So I think
it's more of a concern from those who are one
check minded, right that Okay, well we're not explaining to people,
you know about Prop fifty. People are unable to separate
Prop fifty from Gavin Newsom, and there in lies the issue.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So why let's talk, let's stop, let let's be right there,
let's be right there.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Why Because Gavin is the face and that's all people understand, right,
Gavin is the face of Prop fifty. Gavin is the governor. Right,
people don't understand it's levels to this. It's the whole
state legislator that had to write this and redraw this.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
He andrew map the.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
First Okay, I'm pretty sure he didn't sit in that meeting.
They probably the legislative sat in that meeting, decided what
they wanted to do and then put it on his
desk and said this will be rolling with. Right, But
he is the face, right, all they see is two faces,
Chump and Gavin, two white boys duking it out. And
that's where we come here to educate and say, Gavin
(10:22):
is one thing. Gavin is the artist and Prop fifty
is the song. So you're gonna have to separate the
artists from the song.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You ain't really gotta like the artists. You ain't gotta
like everything they do, how they move, but that song
is a.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Banger right there.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Right, You don't gotta agree with everything they wear or
how they speaking, how they talk.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And matter of fact, if they do somebody line, you
should call them out.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
But that doesn't mean that this one here right here
ain't no banger.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Right, So it's teaching people, look this this my gem
might even gonna hold you, But I ain't gonna sit
at dinner right with.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
The artists because I don't really fool with you like that, Right,
That's what we have to get people to like recognize
as we start to as we work towards doing better
at educating people about how civics works and the bureaucracy
of it all. But also at different levels, people only
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know executive, judicial, and legislative.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
They don't know who where.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I also question if they even know that, because that's
the point. Right, Like you are talking about like they're
like timing, I'm like, I didn't choose the timing if
I were if I were on his team, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Know that you would do this, but if I would
have if I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
On his team, I'm saying, Hey, if you're waffling at
all about doing what's in the best interests of black
folks right now, you should hold this until after the election.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's what I would do. And then that's not I
don't know if.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Peoples advised that and didn't listen or what. But I'm like, y'all,
I'm not the timing issue here. This happened last week
for Mamaria's birthday. We got reparation vetos. Do you understand?
And my thing is this, like he has one role
and as an executive, he has to sign into a
lot or veto legislation that comes to him from the
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state legislature. That is important to understand. In addition to that,
we have a role as the citizens. We can say
that ain't cool. I don't like that. I'm gonna hold
you accountable on that. But what I'm not about to
do over here is lose my political power. I'm not
going to be further restricted. I'm not gonna have ninety
(12:38):
Gavins now or worse, ninety Trumps right, because you're not
going to represent my best interest. So I'm gonna make
sure you do. And the only way I can make
sure you do is tell you what my agenda is. Now,
here's the real issue on timing. I'm not your timing problem. Friends, Okay,
we have not been in alignment on what a black
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agenda looks like. We would say and maybe you might
be a little younger than me, so you may not
remember this. But when when Barack Obama was sworn into office,
black people are like, finally we about to get free, y'all.
Now people wrote articles like, oh, we're post racial now right,
racism is over. It's bad hallelujah. They said, Okay, now,
(13:21):
I know he's black. But what we gotta do is
we gotta wait till the second term. See, because in
the second term, that's when black people gonna get free.
Howbolition is going to be realized when Barack Obama's second
term comes. And what we don't always understand is that
there are windows of opportunity. If you lose a majority,
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the window is gone. If you lose you know, the
running make the window could be gone. If you lose
a particular outline an issue, the window is gone. So
what we have to understand is there is never a
bad time a poor time to seek justice.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You gotta do that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
And so what my my urging would be, since you're
talking about people being typically engaged, is one for the
folks who think they are political strategists and have no
political background whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm fine with that. You could educate you too.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Make sure you know that right now is not the midterms, baby,
midterms are in twenty twenty six. If you want to
be a political strategist and advise people, make sure you
let them know that their obligation is to go to
the polls. That's their role, but they also that's not
the only role we have as citizens.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
We also have a role to hold the.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Elected officials accountable, whether we voted for them or not. Right,
I want to vote, But if that wasn't your person,
that's not the person that you wanted. They still work
for you because your taxpayer dollars pay them, and so
you have every right to hold them accountable because you're
accountable at the ballot box. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But I think also like.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Sorry not to cut you off, but like also emphasizing
that part of your civic engagement and civic duty is
to have discourse and disagreement and to be able to
call out government.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
That's the whole purpose of the First Amendment is to
be like, oh, you got me messed up. I need
to say something about this, And it does not benefit
us not to speak up, because what happens is we
play quiet, and we play passive and then we get
passed over, but it's our opportunity, right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
For something to turn for us.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
We see everybody else getting loud and proud and ignorant
and whatever, and they get exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
What they're asking for, right, So we also have to.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Be mindful of if we don't say nothing, they don't
know we watch it, you know what I mean? Like
I always tell people, if that is your RSVP, if
you don't speak up and say nothing, you're not URSVP.
So why should they care about your issues? So as
things go down the timeline right and we start stretching,
he starts seeking other positions and other opportunities. We didn't
forget how you did us back in October of twenty
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twenty five, right when you got aspirations for another day
in the future, right, Like that needs to be done.
It's also a learning lesson for Gavin and his team
as well, because if you didn't pay attention to the
fact that this could have caused could cause a ripple.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Effect that none of us won't.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You'll pay attention to it later and know better than
to do some crazy stuff like that ahead of time. Right,
Like you said, the tiiny issue is not on you.
His team put that out there. They allowed it to
be out there. He signed that paper on whatevery date
he signed it. He knew somebody was gonna have to
say something about it. What you shouldn't underestimate is the
power of the black voice to call you out about
it and people to feel some type of way you
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should be put on notice that what you did is.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Out of line.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Black people don't like it and they disagree with it,
and that could be an issue for you later, even
if it's not one with regards to Prop fifty right now.
And I think that's I think that's it too, because
what I and I even said is somebody was like,
why don't he come on the show.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I was like, he's welcome on the show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I want to hear his justification for this right and
I want to say, like, I think Prop fifty your idea.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
One of the reasons why I think Prop fifty has
been hitched to Gavin Newsom is because he was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You're doing that, I got answers. I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I think that he has been a formidable sparring partner
with Donald Trump. Formidable. I also think he can do
better by black people. Yeah, it is not either or
it is both. In you can be a formidable opponent
to this fascist and you can also do right by us.
That is just what it is. And I don't want
I'm not in the mentality or and I no longer
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have the interest to wait my turn. We've been waiting
our turn since sixty nineteen. We've been waiting our turn
for something that belongs to us because we ask her to.
We'd ask to be here to begin with. And so
I think the other thing that I want to do,
and then I want to I want to lest some
folks in. I want to just touch briefly on on
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the bills that he did veto, because I think it's
worth people in understanding. I also kind of don't like
the fact that they're called reparations bills because they're not
traditional reparations packages. Folks got creative, and I want to
also apply the legislators that dropped these bills. So again,
this is not about voting no on PROD fifty vote
yes on PROD fifty, to be very clear, because I
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know people get confused when too much time goes back.
So Assembly Bill seven was introduced by Assembly Member Isaac
Bryant past the legislature. This was for post secondary education
admissions preference for descendants of slavery. Right, they have Assembly
Member Tina mckinner AB fifty seven. This is the California
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Dream for All program for descendants of formerly enslaved people.
And this is this is a measure that also passed.
Tina is based in Inglewood. Here's yeah, Okay, we keep going.
The next one by Tina mckinnery is civil Rights, the
Civil Rights Department racially addressing racially motivated imminent domain. And
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then there are two more Assembly members shaw D El Harary.
I think I'm saying that right, a Department of Consumer
Affairs measure and licensing in particular that would give preference
to applicants who are descendants of slaves and of enslaved people,
I like to say. And that Assembly Bill seven sixty
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six by doctor lache Sharp Collins. This was with state
agencies and departments that involve ensuring DEE and I included
in strategic plans with state departments. Now, this is my point.
This is something that these are bills that, like, we
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had measures like this that protected us at least three
of the five on the federal government level, these things
have been eliminated. So if you want to be a
formidable opponent against Donald Trump, that means you have to
bring back the things that he's eliminated. That means you
have to protect us on the state level where we're
no longer covered. That is the theme. Formidable opponent is
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not just sparring, it's not just trolling in Twitter. It's
also making sure that your policies are the antithesis of fascism.
So what he did approve was a study. And this
is my other beef. Fopa all that smoke for Wes Moore,
for Governor Wes Moore and Maryland for saying, I'm veat
on in this study because we juste studied enough, we
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are clear, and I'm gonna tell y'all that's my guy.
I was mad at him. I was like, you can't
beat all this because the message is is bad and
he was like, no, I'm ready to move to action.
So I'm like, okay, well what's the action. So here's
this is the exact opposite situation. Black people introduce measures
to say here are the actions we would like to see.
And he said, nah, I'm good, I'm gonna take a study.
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Bertie had a study. San Francisco did a study. People
are saying that reparations is not likely in this environment.
Maybe they got reparations in Ebston, they got them in Charlottesville,
thinks our good brothers Wes Bellamy. We've seen it.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Happen in Tulsa.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's not what we want, but it is something. So
I need the people who are saying they represent us
to be moving in the right direction. That makes us
something like Prop fifty easy because we're seeing our political power,
because we're.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Feeling empowered in other areas as well.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
We come into both.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
We got to do both.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So let's let's see.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Who we got in here.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
If you all are interested in raising a point, let's
say you mad, you mad at something I said, you
mad at something they be said. You want to come
in and be an an amen corner, We're gonna let
you in. The rules of engagement are don't call nobody
out their name. Not only would you get removed from
the conversation, will likely be blocked from further speaking with
either of us. Make sure that you have factual information,
otherwise either one of us is liable to cut you off.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We can't even help it. It's the attorney innur.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
The thing. We have to make sure that we are
having respectful factual discourse. Yes, it's prop fifty all day,
but we also want to hear that wherever you are,
you take care of black people. I take my nails
after that shut out so to get them paid.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Look you see, I got my hands down. Normally talk
on my hands, but yeah, you know, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
If you want to win in, make sure you send
it a request and I'm gonna put you in. There
were some people who had already requested. I don't know
if they are still wanting to.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
We do look k and eye glasses time. They said,
it's the glasses for me. We look at you and.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Our little friend jerious hijerious. Okay, So if anybody wants
to win in what have.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You, let's let me see.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Here.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Let's see it's y'all they do. You know, I want
us to be great. We're gonna have to answer your
questions in the comments because for whatever reason, every time
I try to add another person to the chat, it
kicks off the entire life.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's so frustrated. But attain like they watch it. We know,
not chopping to have you on the list. I'll put
the big wretch.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Listen, listen, but I you know, this is the thing.
Somebody was in here just over and over again, and
I'm just gonna acknowledge him.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
So he feels seen. He's just like delete the post.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And that's one of the things that kept coming up
to people, are like, well you said this, and I'm like, no,
See what you don't understand about me is I'm a
truth teller. No matter what, I'll tell the truth about
me and let you know, like, hey, I messed up.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
For those of you who just came in, I said.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
One of the things that I do see as challenging
is I didn't love the name of the sticker that
was across our video from our social team. But it's fine.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You know, it was a betrayal. I think it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It doesn't it's not town and Mount to sitting at
home and not voting on Prop fifty. You should vote. Yes,
I'm Prop fifty. But they're different. They're different, and I
don't think that we should conflate the two issues. We
have an obligation to be accountab with the voting booth.
He has an obligation not to for sake, Black people
who have been the Democratic Party's base in every city,
in almost every city in most states throughout the Union.
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And there's just an obligation.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
If people have questions, we're gonna have to answer them
for me.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yea son said, I'm new to politics. What do you
want me and other black men to do? Vote and
then talk to each other about it. And if you
don't understand it, find somebody you know, find a trusted source.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
You know on this source you can follow me to get.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
The information a way that you can understand it and
ask questions. That's one issue, like, don't be afraid to
ask questions, especially if you don't understand what's going on.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
That's gonna help you more than anything. Because you don't
ask questions.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
If you let somebody feed you a bunch of bullcraps,
at some point it's gonna start sounding good to you.
So make sure you ask questions and get clarity. But
vote yes on Prop fifty.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah right, And if you're in California and.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You have a felony, you may it will be eligible
to vote as long as you are not inclustrated. So
just because you got a feeling, you don't mean you
don't need to go and cast your votes.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You should.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I love that, somebody said, And now
I'm trying to find it. They say, Oh, I'm from Oakland, California.
I've voted yes and mailed my ballot already. Good, tell
your mom and take your friends, make.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Sure that they all go vote.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Now here is this other issue. I think it's important.
I think that we should be able to criticize, to challenge,
to hold accountable our elected officials. We started talking about
that on the last live that just surprisingly and somehow
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went out.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But I think that we've got to.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Be able to do both things, and part of that
is being really informed. So at the top of the
last live, we talked about what Prop fifty was. There's
somebody in here asking if they can vote for Prop
fifty even though you live in New Jersey. You can't
if you're not a California voter. But there should be
some version of it that comes out of New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You all have an election.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
If you're registered to vote in New Jersey, there's an
election that's very very important. It's your gubernatorial election. That is,
who is going to be the next governor of New Jersey.
That is very very important because it will dictate this
outcome and how New Jersey responds to this same thing
that California has responded to, which is this nationwide decimation
of black political power. What Donald Trump is doing, in
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lockstep with Republican legislatures, with Republican governors, is trying to
prevent us from being able to exercise our franchise and
if we do, having to vote for people who don't
necessarily represent our best interests. So one of the things
that's super scary to me a B is being a
former executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus. They're talking
about the caucus could be shrunk its sixty two right now,
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it should be sixty three, but Gray Abbott wanted to
wait until November four to fill So that's your turner
seat after he passed. May God rest his soul. But
what they're saying is we could end up with half
the size of the caucus. That we could end up
with only thirty somethings members of the caucus. That is devastating.
There were more than that when we were celebrating the
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fortieth anniversary of the CVC when I was the ED.
So that's also very very very important for us to understands.
California is doing its part, but this isn't just on California,
this is itself.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
The nation has a responsibility to respond.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Because we'll also lose our political capital, right and our
political seniority within the CVC right Congression of Black Caucus.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's another major thing.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So when you talk about people sitting on these different committees,
in different committee assignments, you know, we got seniority in
those places, so we have voices in them, put in
those on those assignments. For a reason, these people would
love to put black folks in some RinkyDink assignment. And
not that none of them like they all matter, right,
but they would love to make sure we don't have
access to things like oversight, right, like they don't want
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to send in those positions judicial whatever the you know,
they will do everything they can to keep us out
of there. And so again this affects everybody, but it's
separate again, voting.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
For Prop fifty, voting in favor.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Of voting yes on Prop fifty is separate from criticizing
a politician, right, holding them accountables, hold an accountable here
that we should.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Also like reframe that like if so.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
For example, ABA, you know this, counselor when you have employees,
somebody works for you and they're not doing they're not
performing as you want them to perform you want them.
You're saying, hey, you didn't turn in your weekly report
last week, and I need to know what you did.
You get the.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Information on what they did, and you're like, well what
was you doing? Us?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Asking people who work for us.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Who we pay with our taxpayer dollars is the same.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
As reviewing your employee. How are they performing? Did they
meet the mark, did they meet the goal, did they
meet the deadline? Did they perform as you expected them
to perform? You laid out what you wanted. Now this
is the part where I think is on us. But
you lay out ideally what you want, and you judge
them based on whether or not they meet the needs,
the priorities, the objectives that you.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Laid out for them.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
When they do not do that, you can hold them accountable.
You can challenge them in a meeting, you can challenge
them in a public forum, or you can challenge them
at the ballot box by not voting for them. Now,
the other thing that's been scary to me is the
number of people who thought that Gavin Newsom was up
for reelection, because that's not what we were talking about. Now,
to AB's earlier point, you might have been the face
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of Prop fifty. He might have been the first one
to say I'm feeling froggy and I'm leap unless go Texas,
which was great, but like, he's not running for office
right now. He is telling us to find our voting
power and to recognize that, to realize that, to exercise
it by supporting Prop fifty. That is a different ball
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of wax. Completely.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Absolutely mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I agree, And I think that's where we need to separate,
right and we have to stop. I understand that people
are on different levels when it comes to their civic education,
but we don't learn if we don't speak up. And
in addition to that, this is the other thing. If
you have never said nothing, it would have been a
whole hooping negross.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Who would have been like.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
People nothing out flouting right.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
So then the one time, not saying that this is
the only time, but the one time were like, okay,
well this discacle, this is specifically for black people, and
we're speaking up people that you trust, you know, in
leadership positions.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Then spoke up and said so that now you're like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But you should have said it, say tomorrow, next week, I.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Can tomorrow or just catch up, because if not, we're
going to continue to be left behind. And I think
this also puts it on us as leaders, us as communicators,
right those of us who understand what's happening to also
have those conversations. And I've been screaming this since the
Pop fifty stuff went down. We got to talk to
people who we don't necessarily always agree with or always
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want to talk to, or who don't look like us.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
We have to get outside of our circles.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
My number one thing with Prop fifty, which is why
I always earn my goals when I do, we'll talk
about Prop fifty because I told them, folks, I want
to talk to the auntie who come outside with her
shower capone and her cigarette hanging out her mouth. She
got a three leg dog named Toto, and all she
wears flip flops right yup.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Because she's a.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Voter too, and this is going to affect her and
she may not be in my inner circle of people,
but I have to know how to communicate with her
because what happens to her is going to have an
effect on me. So I have to educate her and
the best way I possibly can and inform her this
is what's going on. But in addition to that, I
also have the responsibility to give you the tool and say,
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but if they got you messed up, for me to
say something about it, right, I cannot make you feel
shackled to a vote.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
That's not how it's words. Stuff feels slavery.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
And here's the thing. So I want to go into
this because a lot of this is where when you
started talking about this part, because they probably missed your
whole Prop fifty part, which is the problem with the
sound by culture we live in. Right, we did a
whole thing on why it's so important to vote for
Prop fifty. What is Prop fifty Red Street? From the
official Voter's Guide from the Secretary of State's website.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
We passed that, Yes, we passed that. Now we're in
the nuance.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Of what it takes for people to feel seen in
the process. So for those of you in the comments,
let me make something really clear to you. I've spent
my life's work doing this. I just spent my entire
summer and part of the spring, going to state after state,
city after city, listening to and hearing from people, not
talking to them about voting, but just asking them how
they're doing, just asking them what they need and where
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we kind of meet that. I think we mess up
right now. Ab is we will come at somebody and
be like, oh, what is somebody you doing? I need
you to go vote. We didn't ask them how they're doing.
We didn't ask them about their child who's incarcerated. We
didn't ask them about that student loan debt that they're carrying.
We didn't ask them about the food as if they're
living in We didn't ask them if they have clean
drinking water. And my argument is the only way to
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grow the base, to grow the pull of voters is
to make sure that you're taking care of people's basic
needs and not bypassing them. When somebody has a disagreement
or something that is worthy of a response, you don't
just say, oh, you just ignorant and your timing is off.
That's not what we do. I think that there's something different.
There's somebody in the comments right now saying we're bad
mouthing the governor. No, we do. We're asking the governor
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to think tactically about what he's doing. If you need voters,
if you need to engage in the politics of addition
and multiplication, what you don't do is something that is
going to cause them to sit down right before a
critical election, the critical election for the other folks in
the there who are saying, well, who do you have?
If it's not Gavin, then who is it? Gavin is
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not on the ballot, friends, So you want to be
the person engaged in educating the folks who you need
to get to the ballot box for Prop fifty And
you don't even know it's not a mid term You
don't even know that Gavin Newsom is not on the ballot.
You're telling me that we're doing the same thing that
we did to Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
No ideaable.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
What you don't know is that's a big sister to me.
I would never What you should be asking is what
Gavin was doing to Kamala Harris. Now we'll hold that
to November fifth. He was not right or died for Kamala.
So y'all out here caping for this man and this
man ain't on the ballot. Prop fifty's on the ballot.
Your voting rights are on the ballot, Your voter representation
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are on the ballot. There's a case before the Supreme
Court right now where they're probably going to gut Section
two of the voting rights at we're the ones that
need to support. Barack Obama did a live yesterday with
and that's great. He should people should vote. Yes, I'm
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Prop fifty. But let me tell you something. We partially
are in this mess because there are people y'all go
google who who wanted independent redistricting commissions. So you should
go and look who those people are, because they're the
same people who probably thought that we were in a
post racial era, that we had overcome, that we no
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longer needed affirmative action, that we probably would never get reparations.
They're probably the same people. I am not willing to
sacrifice black progress to make a white anybody feel good.
You're going to have to do us in the best
needs of my community if you want our votes. That's
how that works. But on this particular measure, he's not
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on the ballot. You're on the ballot. Prop fifty is
about our voter representation, and guess what the reason why
it really doesn't matter is because Prop fifty and congressional
redition doesn't impact Gavin either. It impacts whether or not
someone who looks like ab has a seat to actually
run in. Do you understand, Like, let's be very clear
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about what is on the table. So y'all want to
argue whether or not he's gonna be your next president,
that's up to y'all. Right, that's fine, but that election
is three long years away. Donald Trump has made us
feel like it's been one hundred years. We've been a
hundred years of slave baby, Like whoa and you want
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I mean, we're not even on that yet.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
This is the longest twenty years on my life and
we ain't even a year. And yet you go on.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He started on Martin Luther king Day and I had
a dream of a nightmare ever since, honey, Okay, I
can't wake up. Yeah, And then that's crazy. They really
can't understand. And this is so sad, Doug, I see
you in the comments. We're not bashing your governor. We're
asking You're asking me about timing. Ask your governor about
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timy why he couldn't hold his veto at least to
the other side of this vote. If he was gonna
veto it. He shouldn't have been beatoing these bills anyway,
and then saying that, well, it's because it violates Prop.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Two on nine.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Prop two on nine is an anti affirmative action measure
from the nineties. Whether or not you're the descendant of
an insulat person does not matter in Prop two or nine.
If your lawyers know how to argue the thing, right,
come on, counselor m hm.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
So that's the point they saying it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm blessing, so I'm gonna go here to be I
was passionate.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I wasn't trying to get cash.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I know it.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
No, it's okay to be passionate.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I know someone that come and says like, how do
we make it simpler to combat the GOP? Right? And
I think again, part of it is, this is us
simplifying it for you, right, This is us engaging in
the conversation and saying, okay, well somebody missed something somewhere,
so let's go back and let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Don't be mad at the eight students.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Right when we come in trying to teach the A
medio class, right, we do our best. We got to
work together, right, And it's not to say that you
know people are dumb, but it's to say that you're
not as advancing the knowledge. And that'say, okay, we too
are learning how to recommunicate right to the environment that
we're in now to get y'all ready, get y'all civically
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engaged in in client right. So you also have to
help us help you by being willing to do the
work and being willing to learn. And again that goes
back to asking questions too, because during the election, all
I did was sit and talk to people, and I
got called slow, stupid, dumb and retarded so much that
I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
You don't understand. You don't live in the hood no more.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
You elevated da dada, And I'm like, and I still
have family, I still have friends, I still got issues.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I ain't gonna job.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I just graduated law school, you know what I'm saying.
So I still have the same issues. So the reality
is that we doing our best to communicate, but we
cannot do the work that's supposed to be done right.
We cannot speak up on behalf of the black community
just because some people may be confused then that mean
you need to nudge your neighbor and be like, did
you get it?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You got the notes?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
You need some help.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Hey, I don't quite get it.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Let me ask the question before you start attacking people.
And then we can't get mad when you go attack
people and then you get attacked back.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I don't know about you, but don't look you come
at me. We're gonna tell for top.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
This is a I think it's a learning experience for
experience for all of us. But then also like we
need to stop being concerned about combattling with the GOP
because they full of crap and a lot of these
you know, Republicans, especially in the House, are maga Republicans.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
They came in with Trump. They already believed that they
have already been sold on that idea and those ideas.
That is where they are.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
We now have to reach to our youth right and
have these conversations and realize that we having this conversation
with youth and adults. So now we all have to
work together in community to communicate and teach each other
about how democracy works. And part of a democratic society
is to be able to say, yes, I'm passing my
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vote for this, but I still need to let you
know you out of pocket.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Right when Martin Luther King Jr. It was him and
Lyndon Johnson, right, they was doing this.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
They did this all the time. You ain't all the
way right. I don't agree with how you moving. Black
people need that right to buy vote. You need to
sign the vote in the right side, do X, Y
and Z right. But you we're still calling out your racism.
We're still calling out.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Where you are wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Right, both things. The blind s could be a blind spot. Yeah.
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One of the things that I really appreciate about the
conversation we're having is like, how do how could if
we were advising Governor Newsom, what would we have said
to not have him in the crosshairs around timing that
y'all are trying to project on me. It's not my
timing issue. I reported out something he did just last week.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's not last year.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
It was last week again on my mother's eighty second birthday. Now,
what I want to say is this, we're both saying
we would have advised it. Bruh. If you're gonna make
your wrong decision, make that decision after the November fourth election.
But really you should reconsider some of the veto notes
that I'm reading through. When they veto a bill, governors
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respond with their rationale for why in the bill about
the preferential consideration for descendants of enslaved people. He said,
they can already do that. I don't need to sign this.
This law is unnecessary. Just sign it because what it says, right,
what it says is that, like we have something a
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ab I know you know this. In Congress when a
bill is submitted, sometimes they have something in the almost
like a preamble of the bill that's called a sense
of Congress. The sense of Congress establishes intention. Treat that
bill like intention, and just sign it into law, you know.
Just it's one of those things where you're like, I
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want you to know the governor of this state is
in alignment with you on values because he goes in
some of these and he argues why his administration has
already done some of these things, if they've already been done, say,
these things.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Have already been done. But here's where we can continue
to make advances. Not a problem.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Again, for those of you who are joining late, we
are not arguing against Prop fifty, We are arguing yes
for Prop fifty, that responsibility belongs to the voters in California.
But we're also saying that Governor Newsom can make some
different decisions to grow that base, to grow that.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Pull of voters, especially when we need them the most.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
And I think that's just what it is, right, And
I think to the point of growing the base too. Again,
like we have to talk and we have to speak
up for that to be a thing. Right, if we
are silent and were like, no, we don't we don't
want to off tokaydle Right, we don't have a base, right,
we don't have a voice because.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
They're gonna be like, oh, y'all stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
They're not chipping off their stuff, so we're not chipping even, right,
And like you said, the blind spots if you don't
have people, which is why representation matters, which is why
Prop fifty is so important, which is why we are
stressing get out to vote, because if you don't have
people who look like you, think like you, understand your history,
understand what you're going through, who have done the research,
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who can and will communicate with you, you will not get represented.
And there will be a lot of blind spots, right,
and they will be intentional right, and some may just
be like, oh, you know, we dismissed it, but we
have to be aware that that is an issue too.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, let me go to this really quick, Sunshine and CALLI.
I believe you were dming.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Me as well.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
You say, no one is disagreeing with what you're saying, Angela,
with all due respect, the timing is the issue. We
love you and we thank you for all that you do. Sis,
I love you too. I want you to take a
monk moment now and just say what timing is the issue?
Are you mad that my podcast talked about what Gavin
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Newsom had done Monday on Thursday? Are you mad that
it was just posted yesterday? Are you mad at Gavin
Newsom for having vetoed these measures three weeks before a
critical vote, not one where he's on the ballot, but
where Prop fifty is on the ballot where we need
to exercise our franchise to demonstrate our power. Who's timing?
Are you mad at? I think y'all are projecting that
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on me because all I did was report out just
like any news outlet, anybody with an opinion on political matters,
would report out. Here's the you know what I'm saying,
Like they're talking about the timing if you said it
now or three years from now. I'm not gonna wait
three years for black people to get justice. I'm just
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not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
So I'm so sorry that you think that we have
time to wait.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Maybe talk to Lamonica mc ivor and Fannie Williams and
Tis James. There is no time to wait. The more
that they dehumanize us any And this isn't just on
Gavin Newsommer of the State of California, this across the board,
across the board.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, these are.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Issues that we face for centuries in this country. Our
humanity has been questioned for centuries. So I can say, hey,
I am questioning your judgment here, and I can still say,
but over here you was a g Prop fifty is great,
but yes I'm Prop fifty. And also, you're not doing
my people like this over here, right, I'm not waiting
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because our lives are on the line, Like right now
where you and I are talking, it's somebody that's just
realizing when this weekend comes, they're not about to get
their next pay check. TSA Workers have not been getting
a check since the end of September. Timing is everything,
and we have to move different. We have to be
strategic in this moment when the federal government is saying,
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if you do this, we're not checking for you. There
are a lot of governors, and you know, there's two
mayors who are saying, finally, just won't.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Get federal funds. In one of his veto knows.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
He literally says he's not going to be able to
do this because this is for the californ and Dream
for All program, where there would have been ten percent
of the fund set aside for descendants and form of
enslaved people. He says here that they already made historic
investments to expand equitable access to home ownership, but he
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also says that expanding the program in this way could
jeopardize access to federal mortgage markets. Well, here's the thing.
This is the same federal government that has dismantled or
decimated or defunded Civil Rights Division offices in every government agency.
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We can't do what the government will approve because the
government isn't doing what's needed for the people. This is
the same government that is willing to let healthcare premiums
rise two, three, four, even five times. We can't do
what what is gonna work for federal funding?
Speaker 2 (47:07):
For me?
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Spoke, we gotta do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
If people's only issue is timing, then well then we're
doing good.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I can agree on the substance we just don't agree
on when you raise.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I hear that, all right, then we're doing it. Okay.
You don't like when when it.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Got done, then you could be mad at Gavin Toode
for signing it right before this happened or not or.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Not signing it. Yeah, sorry, not signing this, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Yeah, so I mean I need to study.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
If you still can't get federal funding, what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
And again, like the issues have to get get red
roads right, we have to.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Talk about them.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
But if they follow you interpret what you said, we're
not doing anything that Gavenue is says.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Okay, so.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
This is an interpretation issue and not a communication issue.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Right, understand what she's saying. She didn't even answer me.
I'm tiring she didn't wrot up a new argument. I
responded to seeing people in California, they follow you, interpret
what you said, as we're not doing anything that Gavin
Newsom says yes to, including Prop fifty. They didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
That's all I know about.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
So I think we'll just tell him to say yes
for me at a B because me and AB said
say yes to prophem.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yes I'm Prop fifty, right, Yes, I'm Prop fifty.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
And I think that they're gonna harm themselves. Gavin Newsom
is not going to be in a redrawing congressional district.
He's a governor. This isn't for Gavin Newsom. This is
for our political power, and he's termed out.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
He's leaving next year.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
He is termed out. Right, this is his last rodeo
as governor. He got a little bit of time to
get his team together for whatever he decided he's gonna
do next.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Right, but he's turned out at this point.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
He is just a.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Face, right, and now we have to learn how to
separate the face from the proposition.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
That's right, that's just what it is.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Prop fifty is about us as citizens, as American people, period.
Prop fifty is about us, about us having representation, about
us choosing our electors and not them choosing us. About
people who look like us, think like us, breathe like us,
talk like us, and been through what we've been through,
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having an opportunity to go represent us in the federal government.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
That is what Prop fifty is about. It.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Don't gotten when when Gavin Newsom is long and damn gone,
Prop fifty gonna still be what it is.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, right, well.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Only until twenty thirty.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
This is a TIARS thirty six, and so that's the next.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Thing I want to do.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah, I was gonna say, because come twenty thirty, they're
going to be going back to our commission.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Right, we end up legislators don't have nothing to do.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
They're going back to looking at the senses, which is
when we were supposed to readraw lines anyway, But Republicans
decided to cheat because they know they can't win during
the twenty twenty six mid terms without cheating. You ain't
got to rig the game if you good, if you
know what you're doing, if you're balling the way you're
supposed to be bothering, you ain't got to inflate your ball.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
If your skills is.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
On point, if the people agree with you and they
rocking with what you're saying, if you have as many
black people jumping over to the Republican bandwagon as you said,
if you have as many black men jumping over, if
you have as many Latino men and women jumping over
to your bandwagon as you said, and if the only
people voted for Democrats are as y'all say, illegals and criminals,
then you shouldn't have nothing to worry about. You had
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everything in the world to worry about, which is.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Why they let off the gun.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
And every Republican state is trying to figure out where
they can grab some more seats.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
You don't have to cheat.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
If it's cool people have voted the way they wanted
to vote. But a lot of these red states have
been jerrymander and the reality is they are are undoing
the things that civil rights leaders y'all, granny's y'all auntie,
your great auntie, your great grandmother who marched.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
And may have gotten beat right and may have.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Gotten ridiculed, may have lost their job, may have gotten threatened.
The people whose houses got burned down because they wanted.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
The right to vote.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
And now all we gotta do is show up and
mark yes on Prop fifty that have that opportunity and
we're arguing.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
About not criticizing some white man.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
That's the issue.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
It's not about Timy, It's about where our minds are
at right now. We have to fight for ourselves. The
white man ain't gonna save us, so he might have
to get cussed out from time to time, whether we
agree or disagree. They ain't got no problem telling us
how they feel about.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Us at no point in time.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Before a trial, after a trial, before an election, during
the election, in the middle of an election where we
ain't even thinking about an election, they do it at
all times. It is us who have to get out
of the mindset. We gotta be cool and shut the
job around Messa.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
We not slaves no more.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
But if we continue to think that like that, they
will have control over us and the way, we will
never come out of this.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
So right about now, our focus is yes on Prop.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Fifty so that we continue to have our rights and
we continue to have an opportunity to fight. We cannot
fight with our hands tied behind our back. They are
dismantling devoting rights at They plan in our face every
which way. And we see here arguing about telling the
white man you out of line for some stuff that
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Ain't got nothing to do with him and everything to
do with us.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I'm done well, I agree, and with that, the doors
of the church are open.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
We began and we'll end.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
This Instagram live There will also be available as a
special episode of Native Lampid, a solo pod. Y'all have
me working this week. I already did Tuesday, but AB
came through us and assists. I'm really troubled by some
of the things that I'm seeing, particularly just the division
amongst our folks. I think that we can say vote yes.
I'm Prop fifty again. It's a bill that authorizes our
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proposition that authorizes temporary changes to congressional district maps in
response to texas As partisan redistricting efforts. It is a
legislative constitutional amendment. It requires an action by the voters.
And at the same time, we are requiring that those
who we pay, who are in elected office, who pay
them with our hard earned taxpayer dollars, that they also
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are accountable to us. But they also taking a consideration
what we need for policy. And here's one more thing
I'll just add, y'all, I want you to continue engaging
in this conversation. Don't play politics as a zero sum game.
You don't win that way. It's all about nuance, It's
all about what's in the gray. And it's important for
you to be educated throughout. When people are trying to
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educate you and you still find that their position is
different than yours or there's a slight disagreement or a
slight variation, you ain't got to call people out their names.
You ain't got to disrespect people. You don't have to
come at people and start talking about out. You know,
oh you sold out? Are you getting paid to do this?
Let me be clear for both of us. I'm gonna
talk to talk about me and my sister here. Don't
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nobody pay us for our positions.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Okay, we walk.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Up like this. Okay, we're very clear about who we are,
what we stand for, and we are going to collectively
work towards deliberation of our people at all times, especially
in these dangerous and unprecedented times. So yes, bo, Yes,
I'm Prop fifty and that is the least you can do.
I urge you to get involved. I urge you to
make demands. A shout out to state to the people.
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We had a black papers policy project that was led
by David.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Jermaine Johns, Doctor David Johns got.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Over one hundred policy experts to write more than thirty
five black papers. You can see what an agenda will
look like when we come together. That then got pulled
off in six weeks. We can do hard things. It's
our version of Project twenty twenty five, and it's one
that advances the needle on our stuff because we have
every right to make demands of this government. We built
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this thing. We're gonna make sure that we are seen,
heard and protected by this thing, and if not, we're
gonna build a new one. That's that on that Welcome home, y'all,
Love you, ad love you, thank you for having me,
Thank you, Sis, I'll take you care. Bye bye. Native
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Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with
Reezon Choice Media. Hello, everyone, we are just about to
get started. We have a really important conversation today was
one of my favorite commentators. This is a special edition
of Native Lampods, my solo pod. I'm Angela Rye and
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we are going to go ahead. Shout out to Daniel
in the comments Welcome home. That is our official.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Song writer and rapper.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So I want to go ahead and get started with
Legally hype A B.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Tucker, who is.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
One of my favorite attorneys and someone who is absolutely
skilled and brilliant on the issues we're going to discuss today.
I stepped into it yesterday with some of y'all and
it's fine. We're gonna talk about where I'm wrong, where
I know I'm right, and I'm sure that Legally Hypo
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have some things to add them, maybe a little different,
So we can go ahead and get started. Now. We
are talking Prop fifty, which is on the ballot in
California in this upcoming election on November fourth, and we're
also talking about you have a new sum So let's
get started. Hey, hey girl, Hey, how are you. I'm
excited about this so y'a frames your glasses are so cute.
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I'm going to tell you that in one of the
posts you put up the other day with a little
will go to yeah, you should have rocked it today.
Since everybody want to be a thug in.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
My comments, I know, and I normally do when I
do my Prop fifty stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You called me slipping a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Hank go hug you. Okay, Well, I want to do
this first because I think this is the most important thing.
Hearing the objections around timing, I want to start with
what's most important. The main thing right now is the
election that's coming up on November fourth. So I would
love for you to tell people in your labman's terms
and you gonna lay women's terms, what is Prop fifty and
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why should California voters care and why should the rest
of the country be good allies?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I mean so, the way I've been framing it for
my audience is Prop fifty is basically our way to
buck up against racism in this country. Right, So you
have Republican led states, right, you got red states.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
This what we're doing in California.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Is pretty much on the back of where Texas had
us messed up. They started redrawing their districts so that
they had the Republicans would have more political power in Congress,
right to a point where people didn't even know that
that's how representatives were chosen, like, oh, you could read
all the lines, yes, right, so they read draw them
so that black people and brown people would basically have
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less of a stay in their boat, right, and so
we wouldn't have the same type of representation when we
got to Congress. So what California said where Prop fifty
was like, okay, bet Texas, we got some for you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You want to read.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
All your lines, we can get our pencils and we
can redraw them too, but we're gonna one up you
with that one, as opposed to just slick slick this
in our constituents, right, slick dis in Californias and being like,
we just gonna do what we want to do. We're
gonna let California choose. Is this what you want to
do do?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They went low, do you want to squabble up?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So went Prop fifty is basically California's way to squabble
up against Texas and say no, we're not gonna play
with you like that. We're gonna we're gonna balance out
the score, right, And what we're gonna do is, if
y'all still some Republican seats, we're gonna make them seats
Democrat in California, and it's gonna be even, it's gonna
be balanced. So it's basically like a head head up
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fade against Texas.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Right now, did that make sense? That makes service sense
to me. It makes perfect sense to me. Now for
those of you who are like I want to know
what the Secretary of State's official voter guide says or
read that to you. Prop fifty authorizes temporary changes to
congressional district maps in response to Texas partisan redistricting legislative
constitutional Amendment. I want to take this moment to shout
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out Jelanda Jones, who many of us got to know
from her very fierce advocacy around what was happening in
Texas and the co coliar I did her first interview
when she decided to say, okay, well, since y'all don't
want to do nothing, I'm gonna be right here and
they so we're gonna lock you on the House Shabor floor.
And she was like, mine, somebody bring me some snacks.
So we're very clear that this is not just something
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that's impacting California as California voters. It is across the country.
The math does not really math for us. I think
we should be honest about that. Yeah, in a lot
of ways, this is going to be an uphill battle.
But yes, unquestionably vote yes on Prop fifty. For additional
information on Prop fifty, the guest voters, that's the only
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information I'm willing to give you right now is at
Stop Election Rigging dot com. This is a ballot measure
that is being championed by Governor Gavin Newsom. It is
also a ballot measure that was passed and that's how
it got on the ballot to begin with, by the
California State Legislature. So let's be very clear about that now.
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This is where the trouble began, your friend. So yesterday,
first of all, I want to shout out our new
social team.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But our new social team is with all the smoke.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Okay, so they are captioning things in ways then you know,
maybe I wouldn't capturing it that way, but it's fine.
It's a learning lesson. We're learning a pattern. And there
was a lot of engagement on the posts, and I
thought it was actually healthy because there are folks who
do have misinformation on what's going on in California, not
really clear about what happened with Gavin Newsom last week.
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And the reparations measures that we're calling reparations measures that
I actually have an argument for, they're not necessarily reparations
as we would normally see them. And then the timing,
So some of the things that came up sis is
folks felt like I shouldn't have posted that video because
the timing is bad given the Prop fifty vote, which
is in two weeks now, it's roughly two weeks. And
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then of course early voting has already began here, folks
who are mailing in ballots are already mailing in ballots,
so they're like, why you got to do this right now?
Why you messing with Gavin right And then the other
thing that came up is somebody said, well, I don't
know why you're doing this. We're never getting reparations. Not
willing to see that point. And then the other thing
that has come up quite a bit is why would
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you attack Gavin Newsom when he's the only fighter we
have against Donald Trump, and I think that some of
my issue with that is I think that people have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
To walk into gum at the same time.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And when I say that, people are like, all right,
well you you are saying that we can walk at
your gum, but people can't ever really discern or decipher
what's on a ballot what's not.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And I would just say to that, I resent that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Because, like, first of all, if you a black girl
in America, we learned how to double dutch, that is
better than walking into and at the same time. Okay,
they might not know about double dutch, but I know
about double dutch. And I think like, if we can walk,
we can drive, we can wrap while we drive it,
we can stop at the light, we can signal, we
can do multiple things at once. And right now we're
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in an environment where we got to walk into gum
because of the shut Now we got to walk into
gun because of the attacks on the Monica MacIver and
Tis James and Fannie Willis who they're now going after.
We have to walk into gum because we are seeing
trouble on every side. Not to mention this man has
decided to tear a hole in the in the east
wing of the White House and is seeking his own
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reparations restitution from the Department of Justice to the tune
of two hundred and thirty million dollars. That would be
our taxpayer dollars. But every time black folks need something,
my good sister, we have to wait our turn, wait
in line.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's not time.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And I think that that is actually a great disservice
to our folks.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So here's my issue. I want to know why.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
We cannot say we should vote yes on Prompt fifty
because that is in our strategic best interest, that is
in a line with our political power, that ensures that
we have access to the ballot box. And then when
we go, there are people who think and hopefully also
look like us when we go, because what they've done
in Texas and what they're doing in North Carolina, what
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they're doing in Missouri, and what they're doing in Indiana
and Texas absolutely is racist. Yeah. So if that's the case,
we have to have people who will be filters in
combat that. But I want them to keep that same
energy when black people need to be made whole. So
now that's what I wanted to say about that.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, So I agree, So I don't think that we're
incapable of walking and chewing gum, right, But going back
to the driving analogy, like you still have to learn
how to drive, and everybody hasn't got their lesson, I
think is what the argument is in the comment section, right.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So I don't think.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That you're wrong in addressing it, right, putting it out
there and being like we need to look at both
sides of this. But I think what people are concerned about.
But it seemed like what I read comments people are
concerned about is what we're learning is a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Just can't walk and choose them right.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
They either learn how to walk and then learn how
to chew, right, or didn't learn how to walk and
learn how to chew and now we're having to teach
them simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Majority, I don't want to say majority.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What we're finding out is a lot of people are
more civically illiterate than we probably assume. So I think
it's more of a concern from those who are one
check minded, right that Okay, well we're not explaining to people,
you know about Prop fifty. People are unable to separate
Prop fifty from Gavin Newsom, and there in lies the issue.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So why let's talk, let's stop, let let's be right there,
let's be right there.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Why Because Gavin is the face and that's all people understand, right,
Gavin is the face of Prop fifty. Gavin is the governor. Right,
people don't understand it's levels to this. It's the whole
state legislator that had to write this and redraw this.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
He andrew map the.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
First Okay, I'm pretty sure he didn't sit in that meeting.
They probably the legislative sat in that meeting, decided what
they wanted to do and then put it on his
desk and said this will be rolling with. Right, But
he is the face, right, all they see is two faces,
Chump and Gavin, two white boys duking it out. And
that's where we come here to educate and say, Gavin
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is one thing. Gavin is the artist and Prop fifty
is the song. So you're gonna have to separate the
artists from the song.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You ain't really gotta like the artists. You ain't gotta
like everything they do, how they move, but that song
is a.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Banger right there.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Right, You don't gotta agree with everything they wear or
how they speaking, how they talk.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And matter of fact, if they do somebody line, you
should call them out.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
But that doesn't mean that this one here right here
ain't no banger.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Right, So it's teaching people, look this this my gem
might even gonna hold you, But I ain't gonna sit
at dinner right with.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
The artists because I don't really fool with you like that, Right,
That's what we have to get people to like recognize
as we start to as we work towards doing better
at educating people about how civics works and the bureaucracy
of it all. But also at different levels, people only
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know executive, judicial, and legislative.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
They don't know who where.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I also question if they even know that, because that's
the point. Right, Like you are talking about like they're
like timing, I'm like, I didn't choose the timing if
I were if I were on his team, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Know that you would do this, but if I would
have if I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
On his team, I'm saying, Hey, if you're waffling at
all about doing what's in the best interests of black
folks right now, you should hold this until after the election.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's what I would do. And then that's not I
don't know if.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Peoples advised that and didn't listen or what. But I'm like, y'all,
I'm not the timing issue here. This happened last week
for Mamaria's birthday. We got reparation vetos. Do you understand?
And my thing is this, like he has one role
and as an executive, he has to sign into a
lot or veto legislation that comes to him from the
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state legislature. That is important to understand. In addition to that,
we have a role as the citizens. We can say
that ain't cool. I don't like that. I'm gonna hold
you accountable on that. But what I'm not about to
do over here is lose my political power. I'm not
going to be further restricted. I'm not gonna have ninety
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Gavins now or worse, ninety Trumps right, because you're not
going to represent my best interest. So I'm gonna make
sure you do. And the only way I can make
sure you do is tell you what my agenda is. Now,
here's the real issue on timing. I'm not your timing problem. Friends, Okay,
we have not been in alignment on what a black
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agenda looks like. We would say and maybe you might
be a little younger than me, so you may not
remember this. But when when Barack Obama was sworn into office,
black people are like, finally we about to get free, y'all.
Now people wrote articles like, oh, we're post racial now right,
racism is over. It's bad hallelujah. They said, Okay, now,
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I know he's black. But what we gotta do is
we gotta wait till the second term. See, because in
the second term, that's when black people gonna get free.
Howbolition is going to be realized when Barack Obama's second
term comes. And what we don't always understand is that
there are windows of opportunity. If you lose a majority,
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the window is gone. If you lose you know, the
running make the window could be gone. If you lose
a particular outline an issue, the window is gone. So
what we have to understand is there is never a
bad time a poor time to seek justice.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You gotta do that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
And so what my my urging would be, since you're
talking about people being typically engaged, is one for the
folks who think they are political strategists and have no
political background whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm fine with that. You could educate you too.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Make sure you know that right now is not the midterms, baby,
midterms are in twenty twenty six. If you want to
be a political strategist and advise people, make sure you
let them know that their obligation is to go to
the polls. That's their role, but they also that's not
the only role we have as citizens.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
We also have a role to hold the.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Elected officials accountable, whether we voted for them or not. Right,
I want to vote, But if that wasn't your person,
that's not the person that you wanted. They still work
for you because your taxpayer dollars pay them, and so
you have every right to hold them accountable because you're
accountable at the ballot box. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But I think also like.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Sorry not to cut you off, but like also emphasizing
that part of your civic engagement and civic duty is
to have discourse and disagreement and to be able to
call out government.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
That's the whole purpose of the First Amendment is to
be like, oh, you got me messed up. I need
to say something about this, And it does not benefit
us not to speak up, because what happens is we
play quiet, and we play passive and then we get
passed over, but it's our opportunity, right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
For something to turn for us.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
We see everybody else getting loud and proud and ignorant
and whatever, and they get exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
What they're asking for, right, So we also have to.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Be mindful of if we don't say nothing, they don't
know we watch it, you know what I mean? Like
I always tell people, if that is your RSVP, if
you don't speak up and say nothing, you're not URSVP.
So why should they care about your issues? So as
things go down the timeline right and we start stretching,
he starts seeking other positions and other opportunities. We didn't
forget how you did us back in October of twenty
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twenty five, right when you got aspirations for another day
in the future, right, Like that needs to be done.
It's also a learning lesson for Gavin and his team
as well, because if you didn't pay attention to the
fact that this could have caused could cause a ripple.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Effect that none of us won't.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You'll pay attention to it later and know better than
to do some crazy stuff like that ahead of time. Right,
Like you said, the tiiny issue is not on you.
His team put that out there. They allowed it to
be out there. He signed that paper on whatevery date
he signed it. He knew somebody was gonna have to
say something about it. What you shouldn't underestimate is the
power of the black voice to call you out about
it and people to feel some type of way you
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should be put on notice that what you did is.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Out of line.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Black people don't like it and they disagree with it,
and that could be an issue for you later, even
if it's not one with regards to Prop fifty right now.
And I think that's I think that's it too, because
what I and I even said is somebody was like,
why don't he come on the show.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I was like, he's welcome on the show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I want to hear his justification for this right and
I want to say, like, I think Prop fifty your idea.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
One of the reasons why I think Prop fifty has
been hitched to Gavin Newsom is because he was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You're doing that, I got answers. I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I think that he has been a formidable sparring partner
with Donald Trump. Formidable. I also think he can do
better by black people. Yeah, it is not either or
it is both. In you can be a formidable opponent
to this fascist and you can also do right by us.
That is just what it is. And I don't want
I'm not in the mentality or and I no longer
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have the interest to wait my turn. We've been waiting
our turn since sixty nineteen. We've been waiting our turn
for something that belongs to us because we ask her to.
We'd ask to be here to begin with. And so
I think the other thing that I want to do,
and then I want to I want to lest some
folks in. I want to just touch briefly on on
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the bills that he did veto, because I think it's
worth people in understanding. I also kind of don't like
the fact that they're called reparations bills because they're not
traditional reparations packages. Folks got creative, and I want to
also apply the legislators that dropped these bills. So again,
this is not about voting no on PROD fifty vote
yes on PROD fifty, to be very clear, because I
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know people get confused when too much time goes back.
So Assembly Bill seven was introduced by Assembly Member Isaac
Bryant past the legislature. This was for post secondary education
admissions preference for descendants of slavery. Right, they have Assembly
Member Tina mckinner AB fifty seven. This is the California
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Dream for All program for descendants of formerly enslaved people.
And this is this is a measure that also passed.
Tina is based in Inglewood. Here's yeah, Okay, we keep going.
The next one by Tina mckinnery is civil Rights, the
Civil Rights Department racially addressing racially motivated imminent domain. And
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then there are two more Assembly members shaw D El Harary.
I think I'm saying that right, a Department of Consumer
Affairs measure and licensing in particular that would give preference
to applicants who are descendants of slaves and of enslaved people,
I like to say. And that Assembly Bill seven sixty
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six by doctor lache Sharp Collins. This was with state
agencies and departments that involve ensuring DEE and I included
in strategic plans with state departments. Now, this is my point.
This is something that these are bills that, like, we
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had measures like this that protected us at least three
of the five on the federal government level, these things
have been eliminated. So if you want to be a
formidable opponent against Donald Trump, that means you have to
bring back the things that he's eliminated. That means you
have to protect us on the state level where we're
no longer covered. That is the theme. Formidable opponent is
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not just sparring, it's not just trolling in Twitter. It's
also making sure that your policies are the antithesis of fascism.
So what he did approve was a study. And this
is my other beef. Fopa all that smoke for Wes Moore,
for Governor Wes Moore and Maryland for saying, I'm veat
on in this study because we juste studied enough, we
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are clear, and I'm gonna tell y'all that's my guy.
I was mad at him. I was like, you can't
beat all this because the message is is bad and
he was like, no, I'm ready to move to action.
So I'm like, okay, well what's the action. So here's
this is the exact opposite situation. Black people introduce measures
to say here are the actions we would like to see.
And he said, nah, I'm good, I'm gonna take a study.
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Bertie had a study. San Francisco did a study. People
are saying that reparations is not likely in this environment.
Maybe they got reparations in Ebston, they got them in Charlottesville,
thinks our good brothers Wes Bellamy. We've seen it.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Happen in Tulsa.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's not what we want, but it is something. So
I need the people who are saying they represent us
to be moving in the right direction. That makes us
something like Prop fifty easy because we're seeing our political power,
because we're.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Feeling empowered in other areas as well.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
We come into both.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
We got to do both.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So let's let's see.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Who we got in here.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
If you all are interested in raising a point, let's
say you mad, you mad at something I said, you
mad at something they be said. You want to come
in and be an an amen corner, We're gonna let
you in. The rules of engagement are don't call nobody
out their name. Not only would you get removed from
the conversation, will likely be blocked from further speaking with
either of us. Make sure that you have factual information,
otherwise either one of us is liable to cut you off.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We can't even help it. It's the attorney innur.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
The thing. We have to make sure that we are
having respectful factual discourse. Yes, it's prop fifty all day,
but we also want to hear that wherever you are,
you take care of black people. I take my nails
after that shut out so to get them paid.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Look you see, I got my hands down. Normally talk
on my hands, but yeah, you know, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
If you want to win in, make sure you send
it a request and I'm gonna put you in. There
were some people who had already requested. I don't know
if they are still wanting to.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
We do look k and eye glasses time. They said,
it's the glasses for me. We look at you and.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Our little friend jerious hijerious. Okay, So if anybody wants
to win in what have.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You, let's let me see.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Here.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Let's see it's y'all they do. You know, I want
us to be great. We're gonna have to answer your
questions in the comments because for whatever reason, every time
I try to add another person to the chat, it
kicks off the entire life.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's so frustrated. But attain like they watch it. We know,
not chopping to have you on the list. I'll put
the big wretch.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Listen, listen, but I you know, this is the thing.
Somebody was in here just over and over again, and
I'm just gonna acknowledge him.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
So he feels seen. He's just like delete the post.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And that's one of the things that kept coming up
to people, are like, well you said this, and I'm like, no,
See what you don't understand about me is I'm a
truth teller. No matter what, I'll tell the truth about
me and let you know, like, hey, I messed up.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
For those of you who just came in, I said.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
One of the things that I do see as challenging
is I didn't love the name of the sticker that
was across our video from our social team. But it's fine.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You know, it was a betrayal. I think it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It doesn't it's not town and Mount to sitting at
home and not voting on Prop fifty. You should vote. Yes,
I'm Prop fifty. But they're different. They're different, and I
don't think that we should conflate the two issues. We
have an obligation to be accountab with the voting booth.
He has an obligation not to for sake, Black people
who have been the Democratic Party's base in every city,
in almost every city in most states throughout the Union.
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And there's just an obligation.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
If people have questions, we're gonna have to answer them
for me.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yea son said, I'm new to politics. What do you
want me and other black men to do? Vote and
then talk to each other about it. And if you
don't understand it, find somebody you know, find a trusted source.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
You know on this source you can follow me to get.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
The information a way that you can understand it and
ask questions. That's one issue, like, don't be afraid to
ask questions, especially if you don't understand what's going on.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
That's gonna help you more than anything. Because you don't
ask questions.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
If you let somebody feed you a bunch of bullcraps,
at some point it's gonna start sounding good to you.
So make sure you ask questions and get clarity. But
vote yes on Prop fifty.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah right, And if you're in California and.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You have a felony, you may it will be eligible
to vote as long as you are not inclustrated. So
just because you got a feeling, you don't mean you
don't need to go and cast your votes.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You should.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I love that, somebody said, And now
I'm trying to find it. They say, Oh, I'm from Oakland, California.
I've voted yes and mailed my ballot already. Good, tell
your mom and take your friends, make.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Sure that they all go vote.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Now here is this other issue. I think it's important.
I think that we should be able to criticize, to challenge,
to hold accountable our elected officials. We started talking about
that on the last live that just surprisingly and somehow
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went out.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But I think that we've got to.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Be able to do both things, and part of that
is being really informed. So at the top of the
last live, we talked about what Prop fifty was. There's
somebody in here asking if they can vote for Prop
fifty even though you live in New Jersey. You can't
if you're not a California voter. But there should be
some version of it that comes out of New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You all have an election.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
If you're registered to vote in New Jersey, there's an
election that's very very important. It's your gubernatorial election. That is,
who is going to be the next governor of New Jersey.
That is very very important because it will dictate this
outcome and how New Jersey responds to this same thing
that California has responded to, which is this nationwide decimation
of black political power. What Donald Trump is doing, in
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lockstep with Republican legislatures, with Republican governors, is trying to
prevent us from being able to exercise our franchise and
if we do, having to vote for people who don't
necessarily represent our best interests. So one of the things
that's super scary to me a B is being a
former executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus. They're talking
about the caucus could be shrunk its sixty two right now,
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it should be sixty three, but Gray Abbott wanted to
wait until November four to fill So that's your turner
seat after he passed. May God rest his soul. But
what they're saying is we could end up with half
the size of the caucus. That we could end up
with only thirty somethings members of the caucus. That is devastating.
There were more than that when we were celebrating the
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fortieth anniversary of the CVC when I was the ED.
So that's also very very very important for us to understands.
California is doing its part, but this isn't just on California,
this is itself.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
The nation has a responsibility to respond.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Because we'll also lose our political capital, right and our
political seniority within the CVC right Congression of Black Caucus.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's another major thing.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So when you talk about people sitting on these different committees,
in different committee assignments, you know, we got seniority in
those places, so we have voices in them, put in
those on those assignments. For a reason, these people would
love to put black folks in some RinkyDink assignment. And
not that none of them like they all matter, right,
but they would love to make sure we don't have
access to things like oversight, right, like they don't want
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to send in those positions judicial whatever the you know,
they will do everything they can to keep us out
of there. And so again this affects everybody, but it's
separate again, voting.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
For Prop fifty, voting in favor.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Of voting yes on Prop fifty is separate from criticizing
a politician, right, holding them accountables, hold an accountable here
that we should.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Also like reframe that like if so.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
For example, ABA, you know this, counselor when you have employees,
somebody works for you and they're not doing they're not
performing as you want them to perform you want them.
You're saying, hey, you didn't turn in your weekly report
last week, and I need to know what you did.
You get the.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Information on what they did, and you're like, well what
was you doing? Us?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Asking people who work for us.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Who we pay with our taxpayer dollars is the same.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
As reviewing your employee. How are they performing? Did they
meet the mark, did they meet the goal, did they
meet the deadline? Did they perform as you expected them
to perform? You laid out what you wanted. Now this
is the part where I think is on us. But
you lay out ideally what you want, and you judge
them based on whether or not they meet the needs,
the priorities, the objectives that you.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Laid out for them.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
When they do not do that, you can hold them accountable.
You can challenge them in a meeting, you can challenge
them in a public forum, or you can challenge them
at the ballot box by not voting for them. Now,
the other thing that's been scary to me is the
number of people who thought that Gavin Newsom was up
for reelection, because that's not what we were talking about. Now,
to AB's earlier point, you might have been the face
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of Prop fifty. He might have been the first one
to say I'm feeling froggy and I'm leap unless go Texas,
which was great, but like, he's not running for office
right now. He is telling us to find our voting
power and to recognize that, to realize that, to exercise
it by supporting Prop fifty. That is a different ball
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of wax. Completely.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Absolutely mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I agree, And I think that's where we need to separate,
right and we have to stop. I understand that people
are on different levels when it comes to their civic education,
but we don't learn if we don't speak up. And
in addition to that, this is the other thing. If
you have never said nothing, it would have been a
whole hooping negross.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Who would have been like.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
People nothing out flouting right.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
So then the one time, not saying that this is
the only time, but the one time were like, okay,
well this discacle, this is specifically for black people, and
we're speaking up people that you trust, you know, in
leadership positions.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Then spoke up and said so that now you're like.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But you should have said it, say tomorrow, next week, I.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Can tomorrow or just catch up, because if not, we're
going to continue to be left behind. And I think
this also puts it on us as leaders, us as communicators,
right those of us who understand what's happening to also
have those conversations. And I've been screaming this since the
Pop fifty stuff went down. We got to talk to
people who we don't necessarily always agree with or always
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want to talk to, or who don't look like us.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
We have to get outside of our circles.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
My number one thing with Prop fifty, which is why
I always earn my goals when I do, we'll talk
about Prop fifty because I told them, folks, I want
to talk to the auntie who come outside with her
shower capone and her cigarette hanging out her mouth. She
got a three leg dog named Toto, and all she
wears flip flops right yup.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Because she's a.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Voter too, and this is going to affect her and
she may not be in my inner circle of people,
but I have to know how to communicate with her
because what happens to her is going to have an
effect on me. So I have to educate her and
the best way I possibly can and inform her this
is what's going on. But in addition to that, I
also have the responsibility to give you the tool and say,
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but if they got you messed up, for me to
say something about it, right, I cannot make you feel
shackled to a vote.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
That's not how it's words. Stuff feels slavery.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
And here's the thing. So I want to go into
this because a lot of this is where when you
started talking about this part, because they probably missed your
whole Prop fifty part, which is the problem with the
sound by culture we live in. Right, we did a
whole thing on why it's so important to vote for
Prop fifty. What is Prop fifty Red Street? From the
official Voter's Guide from the Secretary of State's website.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
We passed that, Yes, we passed that. Now we're in
the nuance.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Of what it takes for people to feel seen in
the process. So for those of you in the comments,
let me make something really clear to you. I've spent
my life's work doing this. I just spent my entire
summer and part of the spring, going to state after state,
city after city, listening to and hearing from people, not
talking to them about voting, but just asking them how
they're doing, just asking them what they need and where
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we kind of meet that. I think we mess up
right now. Ab is we will come at somebody and
be like, oh, what is somebody you doing? I need
you to go vote. We didn't ask them how they're doing.
We didn't ask them about their child who's incarcerated. We
didn't ask them about that student loan debt that they're carrying.
We didn't ask them about the food as if they're
living in We didn't ask them if they have clean
drinking water. And my argument is the only way to
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grow the base, to grow the pull of voters is
to make sure that you're taking care of people's basic
needs and not bypassing them. When somebody has a disagreement
or something that is worthy of a response, you don't
just say, oh, you just ignorant and your timing is off.
That's not what we do. I think that there's something different.
There's somebody in the comments right now saying we're bad
mouthing the governor. No, we do. We're asking the governor
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to think tactically about what he's doing. If you need voters,
if you need to engage in the politics of addition
and multiplication, what you don't do is something that is
going to cause them to sit down right before a
critical election, the critical election for the other folks in
the there who are saying, well, who do you have?
If it's not Gavin, then who is it? Gavin is
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not on the ballot, friends, So you want to be
the person engaged in educating the folks who you need
to get to the ballot box for Prop fifty And
you don't even know it's not a mid term You
don't even know that Gavin Newsom is not on the ballot.
You're telling me that we're doing the same thing that
we did to Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
No ideaable.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
What you don't know is that's a big sister to me.
I would never What you should be asking is what
Gavin was doing to Kamala Harris. Now we'll hold that
to November fifth. He was not right or died for Kamala.
So y'all out here caping for this man and this
man ain't on the ballot. Prop fifty's on the ballot.
Your voting rights are on the ballot, Your voter representation
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are on the ballot. There's a case before the Supreme
Court right now where they're probably going to gut Section
two of the voting rights at we're the ones that
need to support. Barack Obama did a live yesterday with
and that's great. He should people should vote. Yes, I'm
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Prop fifty. But let me tell you something. We partially
are in this mess because there are people y'all go
google who who wanted independent redistricting commissions. So you should
go and look who those people are, because they're the
same people who probably thought that we were in a
post racial era, that we had overcome, that we no
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longer needed affirmative action, that we probably would never get reparations.
They're probably the same people. I am not willing to
sacrifice black progress to make a white anybody feel good.
You're going to have to do us in the best
needs of my community if you want our votes. That's
how that works. But on this particular measure, he's not
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on the ballot. You're on the ballot. Prop fifty is
about our voter representation, and guess what the reason why
it really doesn't matter is because Prop fifty and congressional
redition doesn't impact Gavin either. It impacts whether or not
someone who looks like ab has a seat to actually
run in. Do you understand, Like, let's be very clear
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about what is on the table. So y'all want to
argue whether or not he's gonna be your next president,
that's up to y'all. Right, that's fine, but that election
is three long years away. Donald Trump has made us
feel like it's been one hundred years. We've been a
hundred years of slave baby, Like whoa and you want
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I mean, we're not even on that yet.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
This is the longest twenty years on my life and
we ain't even a year. And yet you go on.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He started on Martin Luther king Day and I had
a dream of a nightmare ever since, honey, Okay, I
can't wake up. Yeah, And then that's crazy. They really
can't understand. And this is so sad, Doug, I see
you in the comments. We're not bashing your governor. We're
asking You're asking me about timing. Ask your governor about
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timy why he couldn't hold his veto at least to
the other side of this vote. If he was gonna
veto it. He shouldn't have been beatoing these bills anyway,
and then saying that, well, it's because it violates Prop.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Two on nine.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Prop two on nine is an anti affirmative action measure
from the nineties. Whether or not you're the descendant of
an insulat person does not matter in Prop two or nine.
If your lawyers know how to argue the thing, right,
come on, counselor m hm.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
So that's the point they saying it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm blessing, so I'm gonna go here to be I
was passionate.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I wasn't trying to get cash.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I know it.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
No, it's okay to be passionate.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I know someone that come and says like, how do
we make it simpler to combat the GOP? Right? And
I think again, part of it is, this is us
simplifying it for you, right, This is us engaging in
the conversation and saying, okay, well somebody missed something somewhere,
so let's go back and let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Don't be mad at the eight students.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Right when we come in trying to teach the A
medio class, right, we do our best. We got to
work together, right, And it's not to say that you
know people are dumb, but it's to say that you're
not as advancing the knowledge. And that'say, okay, we too
are learning how to recommunicate right to the environment that
we're in now to get y'all ready, get y'all civically
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engaged in in client right. So you also have to
help us help you by being willing to do the
work and being willing to learn. And again that goes
back to asking questions too, because during the election, all
I did was sit and talk to people, and I
got called slow, stupid, dumb and retarded so much that
I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
You don't understand. You don't live in the hood no more.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
You elevated da dada, And I'm like, and I still
have family, I still have friends, I still got issues.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I ain't gonna job.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I just graduated law school, you know what I'm saying.
So I still have the same issues. So the reality
is that we doing our best to communicate, but we
cannot do the work that's supposed to be done right.
We cannot speak up on behalf of the black community
just because some people may be confused then that mean
you need to nudge your neighbor and be like, did
you get it?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You got the notes?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
You need some help.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Hey, I don't quite get it.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Let me ask the question before you start attacking people.
And then we can't get mad when you go attack
people and then you get attacked back.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I don't know about you, but don't look you come
at me. We're gonna tell for top.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
This is a I think it's a learning experience for
experience for all of us. But then also like we
need to stop being concerned about combattling with the GOP
because they full of crap and a lot of these
you know, Republicans, especially in the House, are maga Republicans.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
They came in with Trump. They already believed that they
have already been sold on that idea and those ideas.
That is where they are.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
We now have to reach to our youth right and
have these conversations and realize that we having this conversation
with youth and adults. So now we all have to
work together in community to communicate and teach each other
about how democracy works. And part of a democratic society
is to be able to say, yes, I'm passing my
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vote for this, but I still need to let you
know you out of pocket.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Right when Martin Luther King Jr. It was him and
Lyndon Johnson, right, they was doing this.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
They did this all the time. You ain't all the
way right. I don't agree with how you moving. Black
people need that right to buy vote. You need to
sign the vote in the right side, do X, Y
and Z right. But you we're still calling out your racism.
We're still calling out.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Where you are wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Right, both things. The blind s could be a blind spot. Yeah.
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One of the things that I really appreciate about the
conversation we're having is like, how do how could if
we were advising Governor Newsom, what would we have said
to not have him in the crosshairs around timing that
y'all are trying to project on me. It's not my
timing issue. I reported out something he did just last week.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's not last year.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
It was last week again on my mother's eighty second birthday. Now,
what I want to say is this, we're both saying
we would have advised it. Bruh. If you're gonna make
your wrong decision, make that decision after the November fourth election.
But really you should reconsider some of the veto notes
that I'm reading through. When they veto a bill, governors
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respond with their rationale for why in the bill about
the preferential consideration for descendants of enslaved people. He said,
they can already do that. I don't need to sign this.
This law is unnecessary. Just sign it because what it says, right,
what it says is that, like we have something a
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ab I know you know this. In Congress when a
bill is submitted, sometimes they have something in the almost
like a preamble of the bill that's called a sense
of Congress. The sense of Congress establishes intention. Treat that
bill like intention, and just sign it into law, you know.
Just it's one of those things where you're like, I
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want you to know the governor of this state is
in alignment with you on values because he goes in
some of these and he argues why his administration has
already done some of these things, if they've already been done, say,
these things.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Have already been done. But here's where we can continue
to make advances. Not a problem.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Again, for those of you who are joining late, we
are not arguing against Prop fifty, We are arguing yes
for Prop fifty, that responsibility belongs to the voters in California.
But we're also saying that Governor Newsom can make some
different decisions to grow that base, to grow that.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Pull of voters, especially when we need them the most.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
And I think that's just what it is, right, And
I think to the point of growing the base too. Again,
like we have to talk and we have to speak
up for that to be a thing. Right, if we
are silent and were like, no, we don't we don't
want to off tokaydle Right, we don't have a base, right,
we don't have a voice because.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
They're gonna be like, oh, y'all stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
They're not chipping off their stuff, so we're not chipping even, right,
And like you said, the blind spots if you don't
have people, which is why representation matters, which is why
Prop fifty is so important, which is why we are
stressing get out to vote, because if you don't have
people who look like you, think like you, understand your history,
understand what you're going through, who have done the research,
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who can and will communicate with you, you will not get represented.
And there will be a lot of blind spots, right,
and they will be intentional right, and some may just
be like, oh, you know, we dismissed it, but we
have to be aware that that is an issue too.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, let me go to this really quick, Sunshine and CALLI.
I believe you were dming.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Me as well.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
You say, no one is disagreeing with what you're saying, Angela,
with all due respect, the timing is the issue. We
love you and we thank you for all that you do. Sis,
I love you too. I want you to take a
monk moment now and just say what timing is the issue?
Are you mad that my podcast talked about what Gavin
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Newsom had done Monday on Thursday? Are you mad that
it was just posted yesterday? Are you mad at Gavin
Newsom for having vetoed these measures three weeks before a
critical vote, not one where he's on the ballot, but
where Prop fifty is on the ballot where we need
to exercise our franchise to demonstrate our power. Who's timing?
Are you mad at? I think y'all are projecting that
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on me because all I did was report out just
like any news outlet, anybody with an opinion on political matters,
would report out. Here's the you know what I'm saying,
Like they're talking about the timing if you said it
now or three years from now. I'm not gonna wait
three years for black people to get justice. I'm just
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not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
So I'm so sorry that you think that we have
time to wait.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Maybe talk to Lamonica mc ivor and Fannie Williams and
Tis James. There is no time to wait. The more
that they dehumanize us any And this isn't just on
Gavin Newsommer of the State of California, this across the board,
across the board.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, these are.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Issues that we face for centuries in this country. Our
humanity has been questioned for centuries. So I can say, hey,
I am questioning your judgment here, and I can still say,
but over here you was a g Prop fifty is great,
but yes I'm Prop fifty. And also, you're not doing
my people like this over here, right, I'm not waiting
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because our lives are on the line, Like right now
where you and I are talking, it's somebody that's just
realizing when this weekend comes, they're not about to get
their next pay check. TSA Workers have not been getting
a check since the end of September. Timing is everything,
and we have to move different. We have to be
strategic in this moment when the federal government is saying,
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if you do this, we're not checking for you. There
are a lot of governors, and you know, there's two
mayors who are saying, finally, just won't.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Get federal funds. In one of his veto knows.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
He literally says he's not going to be able to
do this because this is for the californ and Dream
for All program, where there would have been ten percent
of the fund set aside for descendants and form of
enslaved people. He says here that they already made historic
investments to expand equitable access to home ownership, but he
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also says that expanding the program in this way could
jeopardize access to federal mortgage markets. Well, here's the thing.
This is the same federal government that has dismantled or
decimated or defunded Civil Rights Division offices in every government agency.
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We can't do what the government will approve because the
government isn't doing what's needed for the people. This is
the same government that is willing to let healthcare premiums
rise two, three, four, even five times. We can't do
what what is gonna work for federal funding?
Speaker 2 (47:07):
For me?
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Spoke, we gotta do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
If people's only issue is timing, then well then we're
doing good.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I can agree on the substance we just don't agree
on when you raise.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I hear that, all right, then we're doing it. Okay.
You don't like when when it.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Got done, then you could be mad at Gavin Toode
for signing it right before this happened or not or.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Not signing it. Yeah, sorry, not signing this, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Yeah, so I mean I need to study.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
If you still can't get federal funding, what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
And again, like the issues have to get get red
roads right, we have to.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Talk about them.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
But if they follow you interpret what you said, we're
not doing anything that Gavenue is says.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Okay, so.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
This is an interpretation issue and not a communication issue.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Right, understand what she's saying. She didn't even answer me.
I'm tiring she didn't wrot up a new argument. I
responded to seeing people in California, they follow you, interpret
what you said, as we're not doing anything that Gavin
Newsom says yes to, including Prop fifty. They didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
That's all I know about.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
So I think we'll just tell him to say yes
for me at a B because me and AB said
say yes to prophem.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yes I'm Prop fifty, right, Yes, I'm Prop fifty.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
And I think that they're gonna harm themselves. Gavin Newsom
is not going to be in a redrawing congressional district.
He's a governor. This isn't for Gavin Newsom. This is
for our political power, and he's termed out.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
He's leaving next year.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
He is termed out. Right, this is his last rodeo
as governor. He got a little bit of time to
get his team together for whatever he decided he's gonna
do next.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Right, but he's turned out at this point.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
He is just a.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Face, right, and now we have to learn how to
separate the face from the proposition.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
That's right, that's just what it is.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Prop fifty is about us as citizens, as American people, period.
Prop fifty is about us, about us having representation, about
us choosing our electors and not them choosing us. About
people who look like us, think like us, breathe like us,
talk like us, and been through what we've been through,
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having an opportunity to go represent us in the federal government.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
That is what Prop fifty is about. It.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Don't gotten when when Gavin Newsom is long and damn gone,
Prop fifty gonna still be what it is.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, right, well.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Only until twenty thirty.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
This is a TIARS thirty six, and so that's the next.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Thing I want to do.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah, I was gonna say, because come twenty thirty, they're
going to be going back to our commission.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Right, we end up legislators don't have nothing to do.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
They're going back to looking at the senses, which is
when we were supposed to readraw lines anyway, But Republicans
decided to cheat because they know they can't win during
the twenty twenty six mid terms without cheating. You ain't
got to rig the game if you good, if you
know what you're doing, if you're balling the way you're
supposed to be bothering, you ain't got to inflate your ball.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
If your skills is.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
On point, if the people agree with you and they
rocking with what you're saying, if you have as many
black people jumping over to the Republican bandwagon as you said,
if you have as many black men jumping over, if
you have as many Latino men and women jumping over
to your bandwagon as you said, and if the only
people voted for Democrats are as y'all say, illegals and criminals,
then you shouldn't have nothing to worry about. You had
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everything in the world to worry about, which is.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Why they let off the gun.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
And every Republican state is trying to figure out where
they can grab some more seats.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
You don't have to cheat.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
If it's cool people have voted the way they wanted
to vote. But a lot of these red states have
been jerrymander and the reality is they are are undoing
the things that civil rights leaders y'all, granny's y'all auntie,
your great auntie, your great grandmother who marched.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
And may have gotten beat right and may have.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Gotten ridiculed, may have lost their job, may have gotten threatened.
The people whose houses got burned down because they wanted.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
The right to vote.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
And now all we gotta do is show up and
mark yes on Prop fifty that have that opportunity and
we're arguing.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
About not criticizing some white man.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
That's the issue.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
It's not about Timy, It's about where our minds are
at right now. We have to fight for ourselves. The
white man ain't gonna save us, so he might have
to get cussed out from time to time, whether we
agree or disagree. They ain't got no problem telling us
how they feel about.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Us at no point in time.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Before a trial, after a trial, before an election, during
the election, in the middle of an election where we
ain't even thinking about an election, they do it at
all times. It is us who have to get out
of the mindset. We gotta be cool and shut the
job around Messa.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
We not slaves no more.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
But if we continue to think that like that, they
will have control over us and the way, we will
never come out of this.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
So right about now, our focus is yes on Prop.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Fifty so that we continue to have our rights and
we continue to have an opportunity to fight. We cannot
fight with our hands tied behind our back. They are
dismantling devoting rights at They plan in our face every
which way. And we see here arguing about telling the
white man you out of line for some stuff that
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Ain't got nothing to do with him and everything to
do with us.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I'm done well, I agree, and with that, the doors
of the church are open.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
We began and we'll end.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
This Instagram live There will also be available as a
special episode of Native Lampid, a solo pod. Y'all have
me working this week. I already did Tuesday, but AB
came through us and assists. I'm really troubled by some
of the things that I'm seeing, particularly just the division
amongst our folks. I think that we can say vote yes.
I'm Prop fifty again. It's a bill that authorizes our
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proposition that authorizes temporary changes to congressional district maps in
response to texas As partisan redistricting efforts. It is a
legislative constitutional amendment. It requires an action by the voters.
And at the same time, we are requiring that those
who we pay, who are in elected office, who pay
them with our hard earned taxpayer dollars, that they also
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are accountable to us. But they also taking a consideration
what we need for policy. And here's one more thing
I'll just add, y'all, I want you to continue engaging
in this conversation. Don't play politics as a zero sum game.
You don't win that way. It's all about nuance, It's
all about what's in the gray. And it's important for
you to be educated throughout. When people are trying to
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educate you and you still find that their position is
different than yours or there's a slight disagreement or a
slight variation, you ain't got to call people out their names.
You ain't got to disrespect people. You don't have to
come at people and start talking about out. You know,
oh you sold out? Are you getting paid to do this?
Let me be clear for both of us. I'm gonna
talk to talk about me and my sister here. Don't
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nobody pay us for our positions.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Okay, we walk.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Up like this. Okay, we're very clear about who we are,
what we stand for, and we are going to collectively
work towards deliberation of our people at all times, especially
in these dangerous and unprecedented times. So yes, bo, Yes,
I'm Prop fifty and that is the least you can do.
I urge you to get involved. I urge you to
make demands. A shout out to state to the people.
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We had a black papers policy project that was led
by David.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Jermaine Johns, Doctor David Johns got.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Over one hundred policy experts to write more than thirty
five black papers. You can see what an agenda will
look like when we come together. That then got pulled
off in six weeks. We can do hard things. It's
our version of Project twenty twenty five, and it's one
that advances the needle on our stuff because we have
every right to make demands of this government. We built
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this thing. We're gonna make sure that we are seen,
heard and protected by this thing, and if not, we're
gonna build a new one. That's that on that Welcome home, y'all,
Love you, ad love you, thank you for having me,
Thank you, Sis, I'll take you care. Bye bye. Native
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