January 24, 2022 • 33 mins
Hosted by Sarah Kustok, NBA Flashback is the podcast that takes you back to the best moments in NBA history through exclusive archival audio from the NBA vault, along with new interviews with the players and coaches who were in the building.
In this episode of NBA Flashback we go back to March 12th, 1985 and relive the night the Larry Bird scored a career-high and Celtics record 60 points in a win over the Hawks. We talk with Bird's long-time teammate, the Chief, Robert Parish, about what motivated Larry that night, Bird calling his shots, his never-ending trash talk, and even the Hawks players cheering on Bird from their bench.
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NBA Flashback is a production of iHeart Radio in the
NBA and the entire place Chance Larry, Larry, There's Bird
Bird fourteen seconds, it got fouled. He's at the shot,
Barry Burn eight seconds, Bird of the Drive, the Runner,
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I got again, Bird for the bomb, got it again
up Bread quarter Bird the Bomb, Bird of following, Bird
out of the love Corner. The bomb has gone. Larry
Bird one of the greatest players in NBA history, But
did you know that he had maybe his best all
time performance in New Orleans. I'm Sarahcustack and you're listening
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to NBA Flashback, the show that takes you back to
the greatest moments in NBA history, using archival audio from
the NBA as well as new interviews with the players
and coaches who were in the building. On today's episode
of NBA Flashback, we go back to March twelfth, when
Beverly Hills Cop was the number one movie Ario Speedwagons
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Can't Fight. This Feeling was topping the charts, and he
Man was the coolest action figure in America. We talked
to four time NBA champion, nine time All Star sell
to Great the Chief Robert Parrish about a game where
his teammate Larry Bird set a career high in Celtics record,
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scoring sixty points against the Hawks. Larry Legend was in
a zone and just like he man on that night,
he was the master of the universe. Larry was a
legend to all of us, and as a middle school kid,
I had first learned about some of the pregame warmups
and preparation that Larry Bird did when he would arrive
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hours and hours to an arena before the game. It
was a series of starting right up front, close to
the basket, needing to get three swishes at each spot
before he would continue to extend out. And is a
sixth grader, That's something I started to do. And I
did it all through middle school, junior high, high school, college. Uh,
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even when I played pickup games. Now that's how I
start my warm up. No one compares to Larry Legend,
but I think all of us can try and replicate
some of the work that he put in to be
somewhat of decent shooters. And in terms of some legends,
there were some legends in the building, including those on
the call. John Sterling, future voice of the New York Yankees.
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Of course, I call Brooklyn Nets games for the Yes
Network and had the pleasure of doing a game next
to John Sterling calling an Atlanta Hawks Brooklyn Nets game.
UH to give him a little bit of a flashback
and a taste of all the legendary calls he had
in the NBA. So this game, of course, it wasn't
me sitting next to the legendary John Sterling, but it
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was him and former Hawk Charlie Chris on the call
for Turner Sports. For the Celtics in his parish, mchhal
and Bird upfront and the backcourt of Danny Ainge and
Dennis Johnson. For Atlanta, Kevin Willis, Antoine Carr and of
course Dominique got in front, the backcourt of Eddie Johnson
and Randy Whipping, and Kevin Willis seems to play his
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best against the best the best players in this league.
And let's see what he does tonight. Boston gets the tip,
they'll have a beginning of the first and fourth, Atlanta
will have a beginning of the second and third. Jam
backgrowd and McHale throws the ball away his ange cut
the wrong way. John Sterling, Charlie Chris here at Lake
Front Arena, and hopefully it'll be an excellent game. If
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it is, if it's like the games that have been
played in Boston with Atlanta and the Celtics, you're really enjoyed.
You gotta treat in store well. Robert, first and foremost,
thank you so much for your time and sharing a
little bit of amazing memories that I know you have
with us here today. I can't thank you enough for
being with us. Thank you very much for having me so, Robert,
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I want you to take us back to March twelfth. That's,
of course, when your Celtics were coming off of the
title championship season and you were playing the Atlanta Hawks.
Now this game was a little bit different because it
was a Hawks home game, but it was being played
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down in New Orleans, and you're of course from Shreveport, Louisiana.
So for you, what did it feel like playing a
game somewhat back around where you were from and having family,
friends and others there. Playing in high school in college,
My college was in my hometown, So that's what it
feels like. I was back in high school, back in
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college and family and friends there, and not to mention
a very important time in my life, he was competing
to try to repeat as champions. So I'm very happy
to have family friends to witness our journey. They're trying
to get another championship. Yeah, what do you It was
a very pro Celtics crowd when you were watching it.
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What do you remember about the atmosphere of this game
and particularly with the rivalry that you guys had with
the Atlanta Hawks at that time. I have to say
that not only the Celtics fans travel will, but the
Hawks fans travel will too, because there was a lot
of noise, but the for the Hawks also and some
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booze when we walked out on the on the court
that still warm up and started a game. So I
think both sides fans travel very well for the game. Yeah,
take me back, because there was an intense rivalry with
the Hawks and with your team dating back to eighty
three when Danny Ames Tree Rollins got into it. What
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was it like in terms of just the intensity when
both these teams and when YouTube met on the floor.
It had a feel arrivals play seventy sixers are the
Lakers kind of had that field to it that it
was something important on the line, you know, bragging rights
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on the line. You know, we're both describing for excellence.
So it had the type of field, type of tone,
type of atmosphere hover ring around the game. You can
tell there was an important game because the air was
kind of thick. I can always tell the big games,
the ass kind of thick before things get done. Dominic
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for the turnaround, Jupper bulls on Dominique hass ain't the
game and Bird about great games against each other this
year dj and a lame bird of Falloway is great touch.
What was it like between him and Dominique and when
he was facing up against Dominique Wilkins in a game,
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great respect between the two of them because they were they,
in my opinion, to it the best to do it.
Dominique on the drive, Lady, They're a beautiful drive by Dominic.
Dominique was definitely the leader of the Hopes and they
were both always trying to do the other, trying to
establish who is the best small forward, even though Larry
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seek I seek foot night small forward if you could
believe that word. So it's always that intense rivalry, not
only with Dominique but with Dr j Olsen, Dr James
smoked forward from Philly and Philly was another one our
arrivals by Larry Bird and Irving. They're doing something that
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is possibly the hardest thing to do in team sports.
They are trying. They are dominated their teams from the
forward position, and that is the hardest place to do.
That is the forward posession in basketball. That Larry and
Doctor got into it astin who's the best? Who's no one?
Whose team is better? Who's coming out of the East?
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How about that Joyous gets the best stomach, get a
little help from cheeks, so we have a break going
Doctor's earfle So there was a lot on its taking,
a lot on the line between the Hawks and the
SEVENI sixes. And I think that propelled Larry to be
the best that he could be because in his mind,
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Dominique and the Doctor were rivals, and they were two
players that could give him a run for who's the
best in the East. So we knew man he and
kareem with the best out west, and so Larry was
valid for dominance on these coast. This, of course is
the career high game of Larry Bird when he scored
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sixty and early on in this one he had a
crazy running flip shot that went in bird, Bird on
the chibe, the flatter has got they ain't finished shot
for last. Bird is a great inventor. He got in
the LA and that's the only way he could put
up the shot. So he invented a shot. And we know,
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you know, of all people, more than anything, he could
score from anywhere anytime. That's birds. To me, that's his
greatest ability. Able to invent passes and shots right, and
he can invent any kind of past and any kind
of shot whatever happens to fit the situation. Absolutely. But
was there something about him that you saw the way
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he was playing, the way that he came out in
this one, that you thought this might be a special night.
A lot of people don't know this, but the motivation
behind at sixty points, and this is just my personal opinion,
Kevin dropped fifty and Larry made a proclamation that he
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was going to break that record that Kevin said, there's
the man of the hour, Kevin McHale fifty six points
in the afternoon. What a great week for Van Michael.
Just about a week and a half ago that his
wife gave her to their first son. That's not the
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gods for this one, I guess, And now Kevin is
in the record book highest game ever by a Boston
South of player. It's redundant to say the company that
puts him out, he told him, and he's gonna have
that record for two weeks. And whenever it w was
before it was only a week. I think it was
only not on the record was gonna stand. And what
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made it so interesting that Larry actually went out and
broke the record. No one actually thought that he's gonna
score enough points to bring Kevin's record. That he had
just said and he would out of broke the record.
Most impressive. And that's what I always liked about Larry.
Now only did he talked to talk, he walked to walk.
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Also the only when he's talking trance, he could bag
it up. And I always respected in himbout Larry. I
think it was nine days before, so it only it
only took Larry about wait, you mentioned that talking trash.
How would you rank Larry in terms of trash talkers
in the game. Oh, he has no rival except for
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maybe Michael. One thing I always liked about Michael and
Larry they talked trash. Whether they was playing well and
playing poorly, they always talk trash and That's one of
the things always for mind about those two trash talkers.
It didn't matter when didn't losing. They are Steve talking
trash And then for me, that just speaks of the
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confidence because if I don't get you the name, next
time I see you, I got you coming up. Just
nine days after Kevin McHale passed Bird for the Celtics
scoring record, Larry Legend takes his record back. You guys
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have such a balanced team, though the chemistry was beautiful
to watch. How would you describe your role on this team? Uh?
I would say my my role was less of an
offensive threat because I sent it a lesser role for
the benefits of Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge. They wanted
to be more involved any on the drive the left
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block by Parrish's taking away a great play. Dominic ends
us up to the past. Knocked it away, but it's
picked up by Michale, the Bird left wing Ange opening
from the corner. He's got it. So I had to
list the ego of the big three, So I took
a lesser role. So the cellesn't needed me more on
the defensive end as opposed to the offensive end. Come
we had planned people to put the ball in the basket.
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Here's Dennis Johnson front court. Download a bird. Great look,
great luck between Bird and Dennis Johnson. So I took
a step or two back for I always wondering about
this to Sarah and I not accepted the lesser role
where we had been a successful what they would have
done to DJ? And then it's confidence. Were they not
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being allowed to feel like they were who are part
of the team? And I see it being like Larry
and Kevin here with that let them get their own shots.
I'm not giving up nothing. I always wondered about that
I would have changed in terms of our sussist. Well,
we still had been a successful But the answer your question,
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my role was that of a strong defensive presence for
the most part, and Chip being offensively when they purish
down Lord shakes the turnaround that it just goes along
and does his work never changed the expressional space. Now
he just keeps you gotta rebounds the voice. You mentioned
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the team, and you mentioned how everyone had to play
the role or fit in, and you're sacrificing for the
eight or good and for the greater success. But it
was beautiful watching the passing of this team. John This
is a shot rebind bird bird on the base, great pass,
what a pass. Great sorry bird to mcale he passed
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up for from behind Scott haste his back to the
care for the layer age. A great lead for Dennis
Johnson and the deep left corner download for bird with position.
He fix it and shoots it. Good great move. That
is depth. They're picking the Hawks apart right now with
they're passing. What was the team chemistry like as a
whole family, we treat each other like family, which we
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are in extended family because we spend so much time together.
And I always like the fact that all the egos
that was in the locker room, and there was some
big egos in there. Everybody checked the ego at the
locker room door. Were you playing for the name on
the front of the jersey not the name on the
back of the jersey. And I think that's one of
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the reasons why we it was successful because it was
all about we us, not even Larry as great as
he was, Kevin as great as he was, in myself
never was about I. But when it was going on
with the team winning queues, a lot of ailments, you know,
those complaints about DJ and Danny, the getting enough shots.
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They don't feel a part of the team. It feels
a lot better when we were champions, and on our
we too being champions winning make you feel the old
lot better. It's the end of the first half. Larry
has twenty three. You guys are up by seven. Dominique
has fifteen points at this point, Eddie Johnson with nineteen
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elite for Dominic driving Dominic to the rev o? What
I drive by that? That's the hang time Dominie in
Atlanta two in a brilliant game. What was Larry like
in a halftime locker room? What was Larry like if
you could remember um and how you would describe him
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in game as a teammate? Unusually acquiet, which is rare
for lab Unusually quiet because the first half he didn't
talk about He was just focus. But this check in
hand and front court posted up high is Parish off
the bird for the open twenty for her? It's god.
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You can't give him that shot? Give that shot at
the wells. Oh did he give the Hulks an ill fool?
He was talking so much trains and everywhere. He he
pointed that he was gonna make a shot. He made
Bird of the corner, right corner, Bird back, then posted up,
Bird takes the jumper and tell you what they two
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each other up This year Domini Ganberg Bird as twenty nine,
brilliant as always, he was so in his zone. Bird
posted left, takes the jump, Bird hits it again Boston
by nine. Larry Bird is just unconscious. Even threw it
it will broke limp hand and he is. He even
threw up a lift hand runner that we need. Bird
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of the drive the runner again. Seeing a creative performance
as you'll ever see from Larry Bird. And then when
you know he's on when they left hand run a
float when you want to call it, it's folding for him.
He definitely got it on Williams down load for Bird
who feels it and takes it, that drives it again.
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He's unbelievable. I mean he just shoots it straight up
and comes straight through the treat to old Larry Bird
is feeling like the great shooters feeling he was let
in Atlanta know that no way, shape or form, when
they're going to contain him the name and uh, more
times than not, Larry delivered whenever we needed him to
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be great. Normally he found the way to be greet Robert.
I mean to think about a sixty point game, and
in this one Larry had one three pointer five remaining
in the third third for the Bob got it again
a three quarters. You're seeing the greatest in the game,
Larry Bird. And there are people like Bob Cozy, Casey Jones,
Rudh hour Back. Don't think he's the best ever. He's
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a player. He's definitely a player. Larry Bird. Hast is
he phenomenal or what would he have been offensively if
he was playing in this era with the volume of
three point shots taken, they will be talking about Larry
shooting like to do a boy Steph Courby shooting, because
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when I see Steph shoot the basketball, he reminds me
of Larry. Because when Larry cross half court, he's the three,
and that's Steph court too. When Steph Cross is half court,
he's the three. One of the most impressive players ever
seen him by Steph. I think they was playing the
Clippers and he dribbled through full players. We even all
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handing through full players and then stamps back and shooting
three pony which confidence Curry splits the defense behind the
back fires a trade in hut a spectacular move, but
it's the largest leader of the game. That could be
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the greatest move I've ever seen one. No, I'm being serious.
It leaves you're speechless. I love looking at Steve Kerr's
reaction after that move. I mean, you get shocked as
a coach, as a fan, as a teammate, as a
as a you know player going against them beautiful boys.
There's so much traffic just to be able to dribble
it through all those people, and then you make the
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shot too. Anyone else other than maybe Larry, it would
have been a bad shot. But Steph taking in oh
oh yeah, good yet definitely one of the few guys
that shoot that deep. And it's never a bad shot
when step shoots from the parking lot. Very few people
say that was a bad shot. And that's the same
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thing with Larry, no matter how deep he took along
two or long three. We very settle and said Larry
should have taken that shot because he made it so
many times, so crowd us and turned on by the
great Larry Bird. I don't want to put you on
the spot, but if you had to rank where Larry
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was in your and your personal list of some of
the old time greats. Where does Larry fall amongst some
of those players? Oh? Top team for sure, in my opinion,
the best mode forward to do. In my opinion, the
combination of past shooting, dribbling, court awareness, no great vision.
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Even his passes in traffic got enough heat on it
to get through the pad, get through the traffic, but
soft enough for you to handle it and finished the plate.
And so I always think about Larry. He's one of
those transcendent players that you don't see Austen for so
one that there was slower than my parents and in
terms of foot speeds and could jump incredibly talented, unbelievably So.
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The dynamics though that you're talking about, of whether it's athleticism,
skill set, smarts, all of that, then how would you
compare him to an individual like Lebron James. The Broad
is more athletic than Larry will ever be. That's the
only edge that the Broad has on Larry. He's more athletic.
Point forward, if you we go, that's that called Larry
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and point forward. He was more athletic, and and he
he didn't shoot the ball as well as Larry, but
everything else is pretty much a wash, the past and division,
the running of the team, the ir Q, they're all
old part. Larrygeen was obviously a better shoot, and Lebron
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with can he have a dream to be? I want
to ask you about that because he had I mean
the shot you washed it. It's it almost seemed unguardable
because he had like a step back, like a half
step back, half fade away and then at jumper dive
off a bird right side bird bird. The follow a
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tough shot and he drills it again. That's a shot
that fall away is is birch pet shot. What was
it like watching defenders try and guard that or try
and stop that given the way he was able to
create that space and get the shot off because of
the shooting ability, which forced the defense to play tighter
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and be more aggressive and any little ball fake eyebrow
fake for some reason, the defense failed forward almost every
time because he was such an offensive threat and you're
so conscious of him, not because he before it was
fashionable to have Steph Curry type range. Larry and Rap
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Barry was another ball player that shot the deep three,
you know, cross half caught in the in the jump circle.
I've seen Larry make threes there, you know, and it
wasn't the ease. It was a shot, you know, a
jump shot, and to shoot it with ease and accurate seeds.
Back before it was fashionable, you know, to be shooting
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threes that deep. Now pretty much all the young guys
they're raising them from everywhere now shooting deep threes. But
back then I thought it was imprisoned. They have that
type of range. There's a play, uh as two minutes
left in the game, I want to say, And you
see Larry running up to Danny and he's calling his
own play, calling for the ball and calling his own number.
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How often did Larry demand the ball, want the ball,
call his own number to take some shots. What was
it like, just offensively in his assertiveness of when he
had it going and knew that he wanted the ball
to get off his shot. It was an unspoken rule
who's taking the last shot, you know, even though Danny
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was a reluctant passer, but he knew who was taking
the last shot. On the way, Larry didn'tet the last shot.
He couldn't get it off, you know. They did a
great job of denying the ball from Larry that's on
the way. He would not take the last shot. As
I said before, more times than not he delivered a
bird bomb. Larry Bird at Sporting nine Atlanta calls time
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he didn't miss many game winners. And that's just a
testament to his confidence and his shooting ability, and and
and and for someone that could not jump. Ah, he
gives that shot. Istean amazing how he yet got that
shoto and shadowing accuracy. They opened the right side Bird
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of following he rolls it again. That's the best shooting
I've ever seen in this Indeed, Larry Bird and I
put on one of the greatest shooting exhibitions I've ever seen,
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as he put on a clinic. That was the clinic.
And the reason I say it is he made so
many tough shots. Bird with fifty two. Dennis Johnson a
leade for Bird. They want him to they want him
to keep s going to Bird takes the children, hits
it again. Bird has fifty four. One more basket will
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tie the record Michale set for both points by a
Celtic in one game, and McHale didn't set it more
than a week ago. Rivers follows Dennis Johnson. And did
you see the interplay with Michael and Bird before Michael
said that Bird kept giving him the ball to break
the record, to break Birds and they give him Bird
the ball now to get the record, and now they're
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giving Bird the ball exactly. So this is towards the
end of the game. He had fifty six points. In
this moment, Bird has stept these six points thirty three
in the second half. Rivers across the delivered a fall
if fallix give Bird a chance to break the record, Yes,
that's why they fallon and he's one point to break
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the record for Boston players. What an amazing coincidents. McHale
did it less than two weeks ago, and the entire
place chance Larry Larry and Larry apparently told the Hawks
players that he was going to make a shot from
the Hawks trainer's lap, and then he hits a shot,
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gets found, and then falls into the trainer's lap Bird
fourteen seconds he got fouled. He hit the shot, They're
not gonna count it. The bird falls into Joe o'tool
They're not gonna count it. Joe O'Toole was that Hawks
trainer and it really wasn't a battle do you remember
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that is this true? Is this victual story? I think
it's the greatest shooting exhibition I've ever seen. Larry Bird.
What can you say, Larry Bird? Larry Bird, he's a
conscious school. Oh what he got fouled? He just threw
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it up there and went it And not to mention,
it's just few. The trays Toby, Well, he has a record,
and Michael goes over to congratulate micheale age. Larry Bird
has fifty seven points at all time bus and record
for one game and mcala set the record lesson two
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weeks ago. Bird foul shot got it? Bird I stripped
the eighth. Not only was he talking traders to the
hoax in the locker room, he started talking traders to
Kevin then and Kevin, I told you, did I not
tell you? When he were talking to Kevin, I liken
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it too when he was winning the three point shooting
contests and he walked into the locker room and told
everybody it was competing in the three point shooting who
got suckered? Because I know who got first? And that's
basically what he was donning. Kevin. I'm still to me,
there's so many words. After all, the trash talking. He
didn't Kevin, No, I'm still to me. What was Kevin's response?
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What could he say? What did you say? Nothing? Another three?
He missed it and with three scont Bird will try
another jepper and hit it. At the buzzer. Bird has
sixty points. Larry Birds scored sixty points. Look at the
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Boston players, mom, and Larry Bird scorts sixty. It is
the greatest shooting exhibition I've ever seen in my life.
Larry Bird, one more impossible shout after the other. And
it happened here in New Orleans at the Hawks home
away from home before I sell out crowded Lake Front Arena.
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Buston has won the game. And the winning of the
game seems almost incidental. Really, that's true, and it is.
It really is. The winning of the game is very
great incidental because now just put on an exhibition that,
I mean, surpasses anything that I've ever seen. It's just
unbelievable because Bird, unlike many great players who were scorers,
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doesn't shoot every time he passes the ball. Here's the guys,
one of the greatest playmakers in the history of basketball.
We'll get back with the recapping, aren't you glad you're tuned,
then I'm gonna make you try and remember this because
this is amazing to one if you go back on
YouTube watching watching this game again, towards the end of
the game, when Larry's putting up these numbers, scoring these points.
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On the Hawks bench, they were going wild and you
could see Cliff Levingston and Eddie Johnson, they were high
five in each other. They were going crazy. You later
find out that the coach for Tello find them for
their reactions. Were you all aware of how excited the
Hawks players or how in all they were while the
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game was happening of what Larry was doing. We his
team makes on was too. He was so good that
night that the Hawks were giving each other five That's
one of Bird's teammates on the eight five Celtics, Quinn Buckner,
on that moment, he just could not miss and when
he thought making the lif and runners, like I said before,
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the defenses as in his Mercy and Hawks coach Mike
for Tello, Larry Bird made about every shot you can
imagine in that game. I'm sure to Larry the room
seemed like it was about five ft wide. What was
Larry like in the locker room after the game, considering oh,
the trash talking that he was done on the court, quiet,
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he was quite other than the little jab he gave Kevin,
I told you so, I told you I don't break
your record. Other than that, he was quite. He didn't
say much, which is right for Larry. You don't have
much to say because when he comes to trash tunking,
he always got something to say. No question, what was
the relationship like between Kevin and Larry? Competitive? It's all
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get up. Kevin thought he was the best player. There
was the only one m v P on the Celtics,
and there was Larry. But I did like the fact
that Kevin thought he was just as good as Larry,
which pushed and prepare Kevin to be the playing that
it would now. Jason Tatum tied the record last season.
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Do you think that it will get broken or get
broken soon? Oh? I think so. The only basketball record,
in my opinion, it won't be broken. We're chambing them
one under points. There's the owner record in my opinion
that would probably stand the test of time that were
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under points. I don't see that record being broken, But
all the other scoring records, rebounding, records and since records.
I think eventually somebody would break those records, but they
one other points, I think that record is safe, real safe.
In my opinion, I'd have to agree with you, Robert.
We cannot thank you enough for your time for sharing
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these memories, this amazing moment. We certainly appreciate it. I
appreciate you well. Thank you for having me on your show. Sarah.
I'll follow you and you speak what you're doing, your
trail blazing, sending to find an example for the email
that's gonna follow you. So keep up the great work.
I'll try my best. You're amazing. Thank you, Robert. For
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more on the Celtics talks rivalry, check out episode four
of NBA Flashback, when we give you the Hawks perspective
with Dominique Wilkins and coach Mike for Tello taking us
through an epic game where Nick scored fifty four and
the Hawks beat the Celtics and overtime. NBA Flashback is
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NBA and the entire place Chance Larry, Larry, There's Bird
Bird fourteen seconds, it got fouled. He's at the shot,
Barry Burn eight seconds, Bird of the Drive, the Runner,
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I got again, Bird for the bomb, got it again
up Bread quarter Bird the Bomb, Bird of following, Bird
out of the love Corner. The bomb has gone. Larry
Bird one of the greatest players in NBA history, But
did you know that he had maybe his best all
time performance in New Orleans. I'm Sarahcustack and you're listening
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to NBA Flashback, the show that takes you back to
the greatest moments in NBA history, using archival audio from
the NBA as well as new interviews with the players
and coaches who were in the building. On today's episode
of NBA Flashback, we go back to March twelfth, when
Beverly Hills Cop was the number one movie Ario Speedwagons
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Can't Fight. This Feeling was topping the charts, and he
Man was the coolest action figure in America. We talked
to four time NBA champion, nine time All Star sell
to Great the Chief Robert Parrish about a game where
his teammate Larry Bird set a career high in Celtics record,
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scoring sixty points against the Hawks. Larry Legend was in
a zone and just like he man on that night,
he was the master of the universe. Larry was a
legend to all of us, and as a middle school kid,
I had first learned about some of the pregame warmups
and preparation that Larry Bird did when he would arrive
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hours and hours to an arena before the game. It
was a series of starting right up front, close to
the basket, needing to get three swishes at each spot
before he would continue to extend out. And is a
sixth grader, That's something I started to do. And I
did it all through middle school, junior high, high school, college. Uh,
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even when I played pickup games. Now that's how I
start my warm up. No one compares to Larry Legend,
but I think all of us can try and replicate
some of the work that he put in to be
somewhat of decent shooters. And in terms of some legends,
there were some legends in the building, including those on
the call. John Sterling, future voice of the New York Yankees.
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Of course, I call Brooklyn Nets games for the Yes
Network and had the pleasure of doing a game next
to John Sterling calling an Atlanta Hawks Brooklyn Nets game.
UH to give him a little bit of a flashback
and a taste of all the legendary calls he had
in the NBA. So this game, of course, it wasn't
me sitting next to the legendary John Sterling, but it
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was him and former Hawk Charlie Chris on the call
for Turner Sports. For the Celtics in his parish, mchhal
and Bird upfront and the backcourt of Danny Ainge and
Dennis Johnson. For Atlanta, Kevin Willis, Antoine Carr and of
course Dominique got in front, the backcourt of Eddie Johnson
and Randy Whipping, and Kevin Willis seems to play his
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best against the best the best players in this league.
And let's see what he does tonight. Boston gets the tip,
they'll have a beginning of the first and fourth, Atlanta
will have a beginning of the second and third. Jam
backgrowd and McHale throws the ball away his ange cut
the wrong way. John Sterling, Charlie Chris here at Lake
Front Arena, and hopefully it'll be an excellent game. If
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it is, if it's like the games that have been
played in Boston with Atlanta and the Celtics, you're really enjoyed.
You gotta treat in store well. Robert, first and foremost,
thank you so much for your time and sharing a
little bit of amazing memories that I know you have
with us here today. I can't thank you enough for
being with us. Thank you very much for having me so, Robert,
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I want you to take us back to March twelfth. That's,
of course, when your Celtics were coming off of the
title championship season and you were playing the Atlanta Hawks.
Now this game was a little bit different because it
was a Hawks home game, but it was being played
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down in New Orleans, and you're of course from Shreveport, Louisiana.
So for you, what did it feel like playing a
game somewhat back around where you were from and having family,
friends and others there. Playing in high school in college,
My college was in my hometown, So that's what it
feels like. I was back in high school, back in
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college and family and friends there, and not to mention
a very important time in my life, he was competing
to try to repeat as champions. So I'm very happy
to have family friends to witness our journey. They're trying
to get another championship. Yeah, what do you It was
a very pro Celtics crowd when you were watching it.
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What do you remember about the atmosphere of this game
and particularly with the rivalry that you guys had with
the Atlanta Hawks at that time. I have to say
that not only the Celtics fans travel will, but the
Hawks fans travel will too, because there was a lot
of noise, but the for the Hawks also and some
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booze when we walked out on the on the court
that still warm up and started a game. So I
think both sides fans travel very well for the game. Yeah,
take me back, because there was an intense rivalry with
the Hawks and with your team dating back to eighty
three when Danny Ames Tree Rollins got into it. What
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was it like in terms of just the intensity when
both these teams and when YouTube met on the floor.
It had a feel arrivals play seventy sixers are the
Lakers kind of had that field to it that it
was something important on the line, you know, bragging rights
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on the line. You know, we're both describing for excellence.
So it had the type of field, type of tone,
type of atmosphere hover ring around the game. You can
tell there was an important game because the air was
kind of thick. I can always tell the big games,
the ass kind of thick before things get done. Dominic
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for the turnaround, Jupper bulls on Dominique hass ain't the
game and Bird about great games against each other this
year dj and a lame bird of Falloway is great touch.
What was it like between him and Dominique and when
he was facing up against Dominique Wilkins in a game,
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great respect between the two of them because they were they,
in my opinion, to it the best to do it.
Dominique on the drive, Lady, They're a beautiful drive by Dominic.
Dominique was definitely the leader of the Hopes and they
were both always trying to do the other, trying to
establish who is the best small forward, even though Larry
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seek I seek foot night small forward if you could
believe that word. So it's always that intense rivalry, not
only with Dominique but with Dr j Olsen, Dr James
smoked forward from Philly and Philly was another one our
arrivals by Larry Bird and Irving. They're doing something that
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is possibly the hardest thing to do in team sports.
They are trying. They are dominated their teams from the
forward position, and that is the hardest place to do.
That is the forward posession in basketball. That Larry and
Doctor got into it astin who's the best? Who's no one?
Whose team is better? Who's coming out of the East?
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How about that Joyous gets the best stomach, get a
little help from cheeks, so we have a break going
Doctor's earfle So there was a lot on its taking,
a lot on the line between the Hawks and the
SEVENI sixes. And I think that propelled Larry to be
the best that he could be because in his mind,
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Dominique and the Doctor were rivals, and they were two
players that could give him a run for who's the
best in the East. So we knew man he and
kareem with the best out west, and so Larry was
valid for dominance on these coast. This, of course is
the career high game of Larry Bird when he scored
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sixty and early on in this one he had a
crazy running flip shot that went in bird, Bird on
the chibe, the flatter has got they ain't finished shot
for last. Bird is a great inventor. He got in
the LA and that's the only way he could put
up the shot. So he invented a shot. And we know,
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you know, of all people, more than anything, he could
score from anywhere anytime. That's birds. To me, that's his
greatest ability. Able to invent passes and shots right, and
he can invent any kind of past and any kind
of shot whatever happens to fit the situation. Absolutely. But
was there something about him that you saw the way
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he was playing, the way that he came out in
this one, that you thought this might be a special night.
A lot of people don't know this, but the motivation
behind at sixty points, and this is just my personal opinion,
Kevin dropped fifty and Larry made a proclamation that he
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was going to break that record that Kevin said, there's
the man of the hour, Kevin McHale fifty six points
in the afternoon. What a great week for Van Michael.
Just about a week and a half ago that his
wife gave her to their first son. That's not the
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gods for this one, I guess, And now Kevin is
in the record book highest game ever by a Boston
South of player. It's redundant to say the company that
puts him out, he told him, and he's gonna have
that record for two weeks. And whenever it w was
before it was only a week. I think it was
only not on the record was gonna stand. And what
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made it so interesting that Larry actually went out and
broke the record. No one actually thought that he's gonna
score enough points to bring Kevin's record. That he had
just said and he would out of broke the record.
Most impressive. And that's what I always liked about Larry.
Now only did he talked to talk, he walked to walk.
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Also the only when he's talking trance, he could bag
it up. And I always respected in himbout Larry. I
think it was nine days before, so it only it
only took Larry about wait, you mentioned that talking trash.
How would you rank Larry in terms of trash talkers
in the game. Oh, he has no rival except for
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maybe Michael. One thing I always liked about Michael and
Larry they talked trash. Whether they was playing well and
playing poorly, they always talk trash and That's one of
the things always for mind about those two trash talkers.
It didn't matter when didn't losing. They are Steve talking
trash And then for me, that just speaks of the
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confidence because if I don't get you the name, next
time I see you, I got you coming up. Just
nine days after Kevin McHale passed Bird for the Celtics
scoring record, Larry Legend takes his record back. You guys
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have such a balanced team, though the chemistry was beautiful
to watch. How would you describe your role on this team? Uh?
I would say my my role was less of an
offensive threat because I sent it a lesser role for
the benefits of Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge. They wanted
to be more involved any on the drive the left
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block by Parrish's taking away a great play. Dominic ends
us up to the past. Knocked it away, but it's
picked up by Michale, the Bird left wing Ange opening
from the corner. He's got it. So I had to
list the ego of the big three, So I took
a lesser role. So the cellesn't needed me more on
the defensive end as opposed to the offensive end. Come
we had planned people to put the ball in the basket.
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Here's Dennis Johnson front court. Download a bird. Great look,
great luck between Bird and Dennis Johnson. So I took
a step or two back for I always wondering about
this to Sarah and I not accepted the lesser role
where we had been a successful what they would have
done to DJ? And then it's confidence. Were they not
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being allowed to feel like they were who are part
of the team? And I see it being like Larry
and Kevin here with that let them get their own shots.
I'm not giving up nothing. I always wondered about that
I would have changed in terms of our sussist. Well,
we still had been a successful But the answer your question,
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my role was that of a strong defensive presence for
the most part, and Chip being offensively when they purish
down Lord shakes the turnaround that it just goes along
and does his work never changed the expressional space. Now
he just keeps you gotta rebounds the voice. You mentioned
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the team, and you mentioned how everyone had to play
the role or fit in, and you're sacrificing for the
eight or good and for the greater success. But it
was beautiful watching the passing of this team. John This
is a shot rebind bird bird on the base, great pass,
what a pass. Great sorry bird to mcale he passed
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up for from behind Scott haste his back to the
care for the layer age. A great lead for Dennis
Johnson and the deep left corner download for bird with position.
He fix it and shoots it. Good great move. That
is depth. They're picking the Hawks apart right now with
they're passing. What was the team chemistry like as a
whole family, we treat each other like family, which we
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are in extended family because we spend so much time together.
And I always like the fact that all the egos
that was in the locker room, and there was some
big egos in there. Everybody checked the ego at the
locker room door. Were you playing for the name on
the front of the jersey not the name on the
back of the jersey. And I think that's one of
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the reasons why we it was successful because it was
all about we us, not even Larry as great as
he was, Kevin as great as he was, in myself
never was about I. But when it was going on
with the team winning queues, a lot of ailments, you know,
those complaints about DJ and Danny, the getting enough shots.
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They don't feel a part of the team. It feels
a lot better when we were champions, and on our
we too being champions winning make you feel the old
lot better. It's the end of the first half. Larry
has twenty three. You guys are up by seven. Dominique
has fifteen points at this point, Eddie Johnson with nineteen
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elite for Dominic driving Dominic to the rev o? What
I drive by that? That's the hang time Dominie in
Atlanta two in a brilliant game. What was Larry like
in a halftime locker room? What was Larry like if
you could remember um and how you would describe him
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in game as a teammate? Unusually acquiet, which is rare
for lab Unusually quiet because the first half he didn't
talk about He was just focus. But this check in
hand and front court posted up high is Parish off
the bird for the open twenty for her? It's god.
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You can't give him that shot? Give that shot at
the wells. Oh did he give the Hulks an ill fool?
He was talking so much trains and everywhere. He he
pointed that he was gonna make a shot. He made
Bird of the corner, right corner, Bird back, then posted up,
Bird takes the jumper and tell you what they two
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each other up This year Domini Ganberg Bird as twenty nine,
brilliant as always, he was so in his zone. Bird
posted left, takes the jump, Bird hits it again Boston
by nine. Larry Bird is just unconscious. Even threw it
it will broke limp hand and he is. He even
threw up a lift hand runner that we need. Bird
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of the drive the runner again. Seeing a creative performance
as you'll ever see from Larry Bird. And then when
you know he's on when they left hand run a
float when you want to call it, it's folding for him.
He definitely got it on Williams down load for Bird
who feels it and takes it, that drives it again.
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He's unbelievable. I mean he just shoots it straight up
and comes straight through the treat to old Larry Bird
is feeling like the great shooters feeling he was let
in Atlanta know that no way, shape or form, when
they're going to contain him the name and uh, more
times than not, Larry delivered whenever we needed him to
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be great. Normally he found the way to be greet Robert.
I mean to think about a sixty point game, and
in this one Larry had one three pointer five remaining
in the third third for the Bob got it again
a three quarters. You're seeing the greatest in the game,
Larry Bird. And there are people like Bob Cozy, Casey Jones,
Rudh hour Back. Don't think he's the best ever. He's
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a player. He's definitely a player. Larry Bird. Hast is
he phenomenal or what would he have been offensively if
he was playing in this era with the volume of
three point shots taken, they will be talking about Larry
shooting like to do a boy Steph Courby shooting, because
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when I see Steph shoot the basketball, he reminds me
of Larry. Because when Larry cross half court, he's the three,
and that's Steph court too. When Steph Cross is half court,
he's the three. One of the most impressive players ever
seen him by Steph. I think they was playing the
Clippers and he dribbled through full players. We even all
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handing through full players and then stamps back and shooting
three pony which confidence Curry splits the defense behind the
back fires a trade in hut a spectacular move, but
it's the largest leader of the game. That could be
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the greatest move I've ever seen one. No, I'm being serious.
It leaves you're speechless. I love looking at Steve Kerr's
reaction after that move. I mean, you get shocked as
a coach, as a fan, as a teammate, as a
as a you know player going against them beautiful boys.
There's so much traffic just to be able to dribble
it through all those people, and then you make the
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shot too. Anyone else other than maybe Larry, it would
have been a bad shot. But Steph taking in oh
oh yeah, good yet definitely one of the few guys
that shoot that deep. And it's never a bad shot
when step shoots from the parking lot. Very few people
say that was a bad shot. And that's the same
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thing with Larry, no matter how deep he took along
two or long three. We very settle and said Larry
should have taken that shot because he made it so
many times, so crowd us and turned on by the
great Larry Bird. I don't want to put you on
the spot, but if you had to rank where Larry
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was in your and your personal list of some of
the old time greats. Where does Larry fall amongst some
of those players? Oh? Top team for sure, in my opinion,
the best mode forward to do. In my opinion, the
combination of past shooting, dribbling, court awareness, no great vision.
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Even his passes in traffic got enough heat on it
to get through the pad, get through the traffic, but
soft enough for you to handle it and finished the plate.
And so I always think about Larry. He's one of
those transcendent players that you don't see Austen for so
one that there was slower than my parents and in
terms of foot speeds and could jump incredibly talented, unbelievably So.
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The dynamics though that you're talking about, of whether it's athleticism,
skill set, smarts, all of that, then how would you
compare him to an individual like Lebron James. The Broad
is more athletic than Larry will ever be. That's the
only edge that the Broad has on Larry. He's more athletic.
Point forward, if you we go, that's that called Larry
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and point forward. He was more athletic, and and he
he didn't shoot the ball as well as Larry, but
everything else is pretty much a wash, the past and division,
the running of the team, the ir Q, they're all
old part. Larrygeen was obviously a better shoot, and Lebron
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with can he have a dream to be? I want
to ask you about that because he had I mean
the shot you washed it. It's it almost seemed unguardable
because he had like a step back, like a half
step back, half fade away and then at jumper dive
off a bird right side bird bird. The follow a
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tough shot and he drills it again. That's a shot
that fall away is is birch pet shot. What was
it like watching defenders try and guard that or try
and stop that given the way he was able to
create that space and get the shot off because of
the shooting ability, which forced the defense to play tighter
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and be more aggressive and any little ball fake eyebrow
fake for some reason, the defense failed forward almost every
time because he was such an offensive threat and you're
so conscious of him, not because he before it was
fashionable to have Steph Curry type range. Larry and Rap
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Barry was another ball player that shot the deep three,
you know, cross half caught in the in the jump circle.
I've seen Larry make threes there, you know, and it
wasn't the ease. It was a shot, you know, a
jump shot, and to shoot it with ease and accurate seeds.
Back before it was fashionable, you know, to be shooting
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threes that deep. Now pretty much all the young guys
they're raising them from everywhere now shooting deep threes. But
back then I thought it was imprisoned. They have that
type of range. There's a play, uh as two minutes
left in the game, I want to say, And you
see Larry running up to Danny and he's calling his
own play, calling for the ball and calling his own number.
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How often did Larry demand the ball, want the ball,
call his own number to take some shots. What was
it like, just offensively in his assertiveness of when he
had it going and knew that he wanted the ball
to get off his shot. It was an unspoken rule
who's taking the last shot, you know, even though Danny
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was a reluctant passer, but he knew who was taking
the last shot. On the way, Larry didn'tet the last shot.
He couldn't get it off, you know. They did a
great job of denying the ball from Larry that's on
the way. He would not take the last shot. As
I said before, more times than not he delivered a
bird bomb. Larry Bird at Sporting nine Atlanta calls time
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he didn't miss many game winners. And that's just a
testament to his confidence and his shooting ability, and and
and and for someone that could not jump. Ah, he
gives that shot. Istean amazing how he yet got that
shoto and shadowing accuracy. They opened the right side Bird
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of following he rolls it again. That's the best shooting
I've ever seen in this Indeed, Larry Bird and I
put on one of the greatest shooting exhibitions I've ever seen,
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as he put on a clinic. That was the clinic.
And the reason I say it is he made so
many tough shots. Bird with fifty two. Dennis Johnson a
leade for Bird. They want him to they want him
to keep s going to Bird takes the children, hits
it again. Bird has fifty four. One more basket will
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tie the record Michale set for both points by a
Celtic in one game, and McHale didn't set it more
than a week ago. Rivers follows Dennis Johnson. And did
you see the interplay with Michael and Bird before Michael
said that Bird kept giving him the ball to break
the record, to break Birds and they give him Bird
the ball now to get the record, and now they're
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giving Bird the ball exactly. So this is towards the
end of the game. He had fifty six points. In
this moment, Bird has stept these six points thirty three
in the second half. Rivers across the delivered a fall
if fallix give Bird a chance to break the record, Yes,
that's why they fallon and he's one point to break
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the record for Boston players. What an amazing coincidents. McHale
did it less than two weeks ago, and the entire
place chance Larry Larry and Larry apparently told the Hawks
players that he was going to make a shot from
the Hawks trainer's lap, and then he hits a shot,
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gets found, and then falls into the trainer's lap Bird
fourteen seconds he got fouled. He hit the shot, They're
not gonna count it. The bird falls into Joe o'tool
They're not gonna count it. Joe O'Toole was that Hawks
trainer and it really wasn't a battle do you remember
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that is this true? Is this victual story? I think
it's the greatest shooting exhibition I've ever seen. Larry Bird.
What can you say, Larry Bird? Larry Bird, he's a
conscious school. Oh what he got fouled? He just threw
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it up there and went it And not to mention,
it's just few. The trays Toby, Well, he has a record,
and Michael goes over to congratulate micheale age. Larry Bird
has fifty seven points at all time bus and record
for one game and mcala set the record lesson two
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weeks ago. Bird foul shot got it? Bird I stripped
the eighth. Not only was he talking traders to the
hoax in the locker room, he started talking traders to
Kevin then and Kevin, I told you, did I not
tell you? When he were talking to Kevin, I liken
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it too when he was winning the three point shooting
contests and he walked into the locker room and told
everybody it was competing in the three point shooting who
got suckered? Because I know who got first? And that's
basically what he was donning. Kevin. I'm still to me,
there's so many words. After all, the trash talking. He
didn't Kevin, No, I'm still to me. What was Kevin's response?
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What could he say? What did you say? Nothing? Another three?
He missed it and with three scont Bird will try
another jepper and hit it. At the buzzer. Bird has
sixty points. Larry Birds scored sixty points. Look at the
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Boston players, mom, and Larry Bird scorts sixty. It is
the greatest shooting exhibition I've ever seen in my life.
Larry Bird, one more impossible shout after the other. And
it happened here in New Orleans at the Hawks home
away from home before I sell out crowded Lake Front Arena.
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Buston has won the game. And the winning of the
game seems almost incidental. Really, that's true, and it is.
It really is. The winning of the game is very
great incidental because now just put on an exhibition that,
I mean, surpasses anything that I've ever seen. It's just
unbelievable because Bird, unlike many great players who were scorers,
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doesn't shoot every time he passes the ball. Here's the guys,
one of the greatest playmakers in the history of basketball.
We'll get back with the recapping, aren't you glad you're tuned,
then I'm gonna make you try and remember this because
this is amazing to one if you go back on
YouTube watching watching this game again, towards the end of
the game, when Larry's putting up these numbers, scoring these points.
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On the Hawks bench, they were going wild and you
could see Cliff Levingston and Eddie Johnson, they were high
five in each other. They were going crazy. You later
find out that the coach for Tello find them for
their reactions. Were you all aware of how excited the
Hawks players or how in all they were while the
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game was happening of what Larry was doing. We his
team makes on was too. He was so good that
night that the Hawks were giving each other five That's
one of Bird's teammates on the eight five Celtics, Quinn Buckner,
on that moment, he just could not miss and when
he thought making the lif and runners, like I said before,
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the defenses as in his Mercy and Hawks coach Mike
for Tello, Larry Bird made about every shot you can
imagine in that game. I'm sure to Larry the room
seemed like it was about five ft wide. What was
Larry like in the locker room after the game, considering oh,
the trash talking that he was done on the court, quiet,
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he was quite other than the little jab he gave Kevin,
I told you so, I told you I don't break
your record. Other than that, he was quite. He didn't
say much, which is right for Larry. You don't have
much to say because when he comes to trash tunking,
he always got something to say. No question, what was
the relationship like between Kevin and Larry? Competitive? It's all
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get up. Kevin thought he was the best player. There
was the only one m v P on the Celtics,
and there was Larry. But I did like the fact
that Kevin thought he was just as good as Larry,
which pushed and prepare Kevin to be the playing that
it would now. Jason Tatum tied the record last season.
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Do you think that it will get broken or get
broken soon? Oh? I think so. The only basketball record,
in my opinion, it won't be broken. We're chambing them
one under points. There's the owner record in my opinion
that would probably stand the test of time that were
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under points. I don't see that record being broken, But
all the other scoring records, rebounding, records and since records.
I think eventually somebody would break those records, but they
one other points, I think that record is safe, real safe.
In my opinion, I'd have to agree with you, Robert.
We cannot thank you enough for your time for sharing
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these memories, this amazing moment. We certainly appreciate it. I
appreciate you well. Thank you for having me on your show. Sarah.
I'll follow you and you speak what you're doing, your
trail blazing, sending to find an example for the email
that's gonna follow you. So keep up the great work.
I'll try my best. You're amazing. Thank you, Robert. For
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more on the Celtics talks rivalry, check out episode four
of NBA Flashback, when we give you the Hawks perspective
with Dominique Wilkins and coach Mike for Tello taking us
through an epic game where Nick scored fifty four and
the Hawks beat the Celtics and overtime. NBA Flashback is
a production of I Heart Radio and the NBA. For
(33:33):
more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I heart
Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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