Norman Powell on the Superman Dunk, Kawhi and His Career High

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
How's everybody doing. I want to welcome you into a
really cool episode of Mine of NBA Rookie Life with
Ryan hollins Man. This man was a NBA champion in
twenty nineteen PAC twelve All First Team Pac twelve selection.
He was the forty six pick in the twenty fifteenth draft.
Forgive me, Man, I guess listen, Man, it's like my

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little brother right here. Norman. What's going on with you? Man?
My guy Norman Pow? What's up? Man?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
And Sarah? Are you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Man?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Appreciate you having me.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
On Man doing great? Man. I know we've been trying
to coordinate this for a while. And Norman, you're always
one of my favorites because you were kind of a
part of one of my rookie years. My first time
working on television was calling. I didn't call the game.
I was doing the pre and post for the UCLA games.
I don't know if you know that that was like

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my first real shot on TV. I was in the
league at that time, but it was during the lockout,
so I thought it was really cool to come back.
And I remember the one thing I was always prepped
to do is do my homework, and I remember researching
all the guys or everybody on the team. I remember
pulling you up, watching your clips of seeing it. I'm like, man,
he got bounced, Okay, he can defend. Damn all right, he.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Got a j ball like he got swagged. I'm like,
y'all tripping. They not talking about him more. I'm like,
he's league, he's nice man.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
But I do remember going back and seeing that, and
then kind of watching your career U c l A.
Watching you come into your own around the tournament time,
and like, you know, we both played for Ben. I
know you know people for those who don't know Ben,
gonna make sure you know every rotation, right, you're gonna
take a charge. You gotta get get locking this dand

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you're not and this if you don't get, if you
don't get low and if you don't take a charge,
you already know what's happening. We line up, do charge
real charge. Ben been gonna start.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Practicing that man diving on the floor, all of that
man physicianing.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh man, Yeah, I kind of had defense on lock.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
But I do remember watching you and going, are they
bugging he that dude? He that dude? And then watch
you take over man. It was really fun. But man,
knowing you did you thing in u c l A.
Walk me through that draft experience for you? You know,
what was it like? How many workouts did you have?
Did you know where you were going to go? How
confident did you feel you end up staying? What did

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you You stayed the whole for right? Or that's very
that's extremely rare that guys of your talent and caliber
stayed four years. But sure then do they thing in
the league? Man? They had the success that you have,
So what was it? You know, were you thinking about
coming out that third year and when you finally came out?
Walked me through that kind of that process and the expectations.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, man, I honestly I think I had like the
expectations of all you know, all the young dudes coming
into the after high school.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh man, I might be one and done. You know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Sure thing and it goes straight to the league. But
you know, it didn't happen like that for me. You
know a lot of ups and downs, you know, for us,
like political stuff that you feel is going on in college,
not getting minutes you play, not getting an opportunity. But
I think everything that I went through those four years
two with coach holland too with coach Alford, really like

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prepped me for the.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
League, you know.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
So I'm actually happy that, you know, I didn't make
the jump, you know, because I went through so much
physically and mentally, you know, I think it really prepared
me for the jump into the league after my fourth year.
But it was tough going through the whole draft process.
Like people don't know, like how much of a grind
that really is. And for me, you know, being a
four year college player and coming out and having you

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know the mid mid late early second you know, undrafted range.
You know, it's a lot, so like having to make
up that ground and show that try to increase your
draft stock. I worked up all in all up until
like the day before the draft.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
League.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
My last work out the day before the draft was
the Lakers. It was my second workout with the Lakers.
So I had nineteen pree draft workouts.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
For those who don't know, when you're going through these workouts,
they're testing you mentally, physically, emotionally like you were you
are running drills and you know you're auditioning for I
want to save your life. The trajectory of your life
so you have nineteen moments where you ain't got no
legs and they're like, man, he worked out for the
jazz the other day. They like, we don't care. We
want to like flying out.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
To Washington, right out to Washington, right after the workout,
a little exit interview from the workout, answered a couple
of questions, They give you a little mill. Then you
ride on the plane to the next city, getting ready
to work out again the next day or in between
the day. But nineteen workouts was a lot, and it
mentally was draining by the time I was done with it,
you know I did. I was confident, you know, throughout

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all the workouts. I think I only had maybe like
two or three workouts where I felt after leaving, like
you do your own personal assessment, like damn, I could
have a little better, you know, I could have done this.
So to only have like two or three where you
feel that you know you could have done a little better,
And after having nineteen of them, it was a pretty
good spot for me to be in. I felt super confident.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I thought I went up against some of the guys
that were in my draft class, in my position.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Who were some of those guys at the time.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Rashavon, Terry Rozier. Yes, I couldn't catch RJ.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Hunter. I don't know if he was ducking me.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Hold on, dog, you were hunting, you were hunting after people.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I went.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
I made sure my agent, you know, that's an insight.
So I actually, you know, competing against these dudes because
I know they were in my position. So you know,
I went head hunting a little bit and trying to
find some of these guys so I can go up
against them. But it was a lot of fun. I
loved the process. I loved the competition and just like
the whole experience of it. But by the time I
was done, like I was definitely exhausted, but I felt confident.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I felt really good.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
I thought I put on a good show and showcase
the areas where they said I needed to improve, you know,
my three ball, you know, for sure, I didn't know
if I could shoot it too well in the league
at the time, coming out being able to score and
actually like playmake and do it because in college I
was a slasher. You know, everything was in transition, straight
downhill to the rim, dunking on dudes, finishing, getting to

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the free throw line, So I thought I showcased everything
that I was able to do at the next level.
So I felt really, really confident that I was going
to be, you know, in that like mid to late
first round.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
But it didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
So that that draft, that whole draft night was a
kind of bittersweet moment for me.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Real quick before we get into the draft. Was there
a draft workout that you remember, like that you just
killed or like was just like, yo, we're doing something
crazy here, anything that like stood out, Like I remember
when I worked out for Toronto. Sam Mitchell was there.
At the end of the workout, bro, no, Lie, we
do a drill where you hit the sideline, you come
back plus one sideline other sideline come back. If you miss,

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it's minus two, so you can't go negative, but you
got to get seven. And I remember doing the drill,
I was working out shout out ricoheines Man worked out
with Toasting, and I was like, like, I just I
run harder after I missed, Like I'm just I was
just mentally prepared for all that. And I remember Buddy
on the other end he quit, dude, Dude quit the

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drill fro. So I was like, yo, he's just a rap.
But I'm like, I just remember, like, yo, this is
on some grind stuff, like everybody not made for this.
Do you have anything that kind of stock out from
you in that draft from the workout pros because people
don't know the draft workout is more grueling than anything
you're actually going to do in the league.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
No, the two minute drill, the two minute drill with
the sprints that they do in Boston, so you're doing
side as many sprints as you can in two minutes
back the full length of the court, you know, and
like some guys have like some outrageous like like twenty three,
twenty five, thirty like line that's that's back and forth. Yes,
so the two minute drill that they had doing, Man,

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I was gassed after that. I think that was like
the hardest thing testing your conditioning because like not only
is it testing, you can testing your mental as well.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know, just like are you gonna quit?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Uh, you know, once you get the ten.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
To did you run by yourself or did they make
you run with somebody else?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
That was group?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
It was a group.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So yeah, it was a group.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
So you know you're you're going up against the next person,
and somebody might be faster than you say you're like
all right, Like I'm not trying to be last. So's
it's a little competition when you're looking over to like
all right, like this dude a length ahead of me,
Like how do I catch up? How do I outwork him?
I think that was like the hardest part of the workouts.

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Everything else, like I was ready for like the full
court one on one, the full court two on two,
three on three, like the breakdown parts of it. You know,
that's competition. So like that was like I was looking
forward to those things, but the conditioning piece of it.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know, you do a two minute drill.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
And in Washington then they got a different you know,
shooting drill that's full court, you know, and they're and
they're counting how many makes like you said, the plus
minus when you make or mints and corner of the corner,
the star shooting drill, you know where his full court corner, corner, wing, wing, wing, wing,
top top corner corner, like like everything like that was
was definitely tough. But my most dominant workout, It's funny

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you said Toronto, because my most dominant workout was Toronto
and that's why I caught. It was funny because they
brought me into to go against him because he was
a younger. He was under coming out. I think it
was either his rookie and I was rookie. His freshman
or sophomore year. He was coming out, so they wanted
to test them to see how he matched up against,
you know, a more mature, older guy, you know, to

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test his mentality and that that was probably the worst
thing they could have done, because like I was looking
at him like, oh you and my yeah, you and
my spot, like you in front of me. So and
my mentality and approach to everything is just totally different.
I feel like from a lot of guys where they're
going into like showcased or swag and they think it's
like easy and all cool. Like I'm coming in, like

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I want your spot, you know, I want this more
than you. So I like, I absolutely Like they still
talk about the workout till this day when I see
the guys that were there, Like they still talk about.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Hold on what you do to this man? This man
in the workout?

Speaker 4 (10:21):
It was nuts, man, it was nuts. So like we
did three on three full court. I guarded him, was
locking them up. The only way he got loose was
like pick and roll stuff like that. But then we
did we broke up the bigs in and the guards
and we did one on one and I kid you not,
he did not score in the one on one sessions
at all.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like at all. It was like like one of.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Like hey, don't you give him a mercy jumper.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
It was over it like like it was bad.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
It was bad, like he didn't score it at all.
And it's cool because I like that, that's my that's
my dog.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
But it's a little different.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
When you going, uh man, it's like nothing matters now
in between the line. But like, yeah, I dominated them
the whole workout. They actually talk about it. I ripped
the ball from him and the three on three stuff
and went full court and did like a crazy windmill
dunking and transition.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, like the air off the building. They're like, yo,
what the heck is going on here? Uh that?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
And then when you're talking about the drills, uh, in
Toronto they had a dunk drill, so like they had
big Cat Jamalma Glore, big big, like he likes to talk.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, you're talking crazy, like you weak? What you got?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
What you got so like I think they had him
in there, you know, just to like test guys and
how they're going to respond. And I looked at him crazy.
I'm like, he's like, man, can you even dunk? Like
I'm like, you don't know what you're talking to? Man, Like,
well we're gonna find out. I'm all about this, this
and this. I'm like, all right, man, like I'm not
the one, like I'm not the one to talk to.
So for the drill, they have two balls on the

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east block, all right, and and usually it's like a
big man drill, but they do it for like like
the guard.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's about to say, that's a he had you hit
the Superman from from the two guns spot, Like.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
You picked the ball up dunk, pick the ball up dunk,
pick the ball up dunk. So you do that, uh
ten times all right, And like some guys, like even
like some of the bigs that was in my group,
like they dunk maybe two three. And you know what
I'm saying this, it's like like you know, lay up,
you know the mellow finish like quick, you know me
every single one up. He was talking crazy, every single
one of boom boom going down. I was dunk all

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ten of them.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Crazy. I was like, I looked at him, who can't dunk?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Who I was?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I was going crazy?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Hold on, know you got a coach in the workout?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, like who can't dunk?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
But you know like big Cat like now you know
I went playing in Toronto like big Cat like that
he wants to see like a respond like that and
not you know, like going to a shell.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Im.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I went crazy like NA, like you ain't gonna talk
nothing to me, Like I back it up, man, this
is what I do. So that was probably like my
most like memorable and like fun workout where I felt like, man,
I I might be able to go because they had
the twentieth pick that year, like the way like he was.
It was him. I think they had Terry was year
as like the one the top two guys shooting guards,

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and I think I was like five or like six
in terms of like the class rankings and guard positions.
And I was like, oh man, they want me in
for him, and they're probably looking at him taking that
twenty and where I dominated him, I could have shot up.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
It was it was It was a good time that
that whole pre draft workout but it was a tiring
experience for sure.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
You know what funny, I had sibling in Charlotte where
I ended up going. I had my workout and I
had a bunch of work out. Don't get me wrong,
I was killing it. I was doing my thing. But
I knew with the fiftieth pick, I was like, I'm
not going lower than this, like I just knew. I
Like I dove out of bounds after a ball.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
It was funny, like you're doing everything.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, dudes quit I know. After the ball.
They was like, oh he's crazy, this dude is nothing.
Ball was way off of the thing.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Like you try to show everything, even like where it's
like like like you know, you hear the stories about
like like the Miami like like pat Riley like testing
dudes and no water, this, that and the other, like
trying to see like like if they're going to break
and so like I made it a point like I'm
not drinking no water, like I'm not doing the whole work.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm going when.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
They make no water break nor when they're arresting and
stuff like that. I was shooting free throws like I
was like trying to show you trying to do like
all trying to show that like you're mentally like prepared
and built for this, like no matter what is in
front of you, like you're gonna be able to overcome
and push yourself through. So I made it a point
like I'm not I'm not drinking no water through the workouts.
Like after that's when I was like guzzling down.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
The water bottle. Yeah yeah, I'm tired.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
But like it was like little tricks things that I
tried to do just to show like how I'm built mentally.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I remember I had did the dunk drill and I
went last first dude? Did you know seven A dude
did like seventeen. He was dying. They said, you know,
dunk till you can't no more. Long story short, I'm
getting up into fifty pieces and they I hear at
some point they're talking to themselves like Yo, this dude
is crazy. I'm screaming every time like maybe and they're like, okay,

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just do ten more. Man. At last one. I had
to reverse that thing, like you know, you know that's
what's upthing. It's funny on we had very sitting down.
I didn't get the bread, you got it the success,
but we have very similar similar stories from those regards.
What was it like draft day? Man? Because for me,
Bro I had a hitless. I went fifty if so

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I have forty nine dudes on my list, you know
what I'm saying, especially in my position, What were you
like Draft Day? Where were you? I was over at
Anaheim ESPN Zone. Where were you? What was your mindset?
Just watching the draft and knowing, you know, kind of
the success you had it? Like, man, I just killed that,
Like they saw what I was on, So you know
what was going through your head? Who were you watching?

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Talk to me? Who you with me? Let me know
your Draft day story?

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Man.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, so one of my boys, he stayed to night
and my crib. You know, we just like talking about
the draft and possibilities.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
What it looked like.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
He had a few friends that were connected with a
few teams, you know, so just like you know, give
me like little rumors and things like that. You know,
But we were hanging out talking next day. I remember
him make waking me up in the room, like he
busted in the room and was playing a Draft Day
by Drake.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Jenny Minzell, you know, like draft Day, all that Andrew Wiggins.
He was playing that whole song and going crazyhypping me up,
and you.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Had no idea you going to Toronto, but you're playing
Draft Day.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
No no idea, no idea.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I just thought about that.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
It's even crazier when like, like like how everything has
like unfolded in my career just because like backstory to
the draft story with especially with like Drake. In high school,
Like my my high school coach was a big jay
Z fan, right, and I was watching Drake when he
was on like The Grassy and stuff because like my
sisters like loved The Grassy so like will Chair Jimmy
all that, Like I was huge fan. And I was like,

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like sophomore year, junior in high school, I was telling
my coach like, Drake about to be bigger.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Than jay Z.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Watch Watch and He's like a whole no way. I'm like,
I'm telling you, man, he's gonna be nice. And so
when I got to college, he had texted me. I
think I still have the text. He's like, man, he
was right about Drake. Man, he might he might got hold,
he might take hold spot. And I was like, man,
I told you, but like it's just like the whole
story that like it's just funny, like how it all

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like unfolded. But yeah, I didn't know anything about the draft.
I talked to my agent once, you know, and he
said that, you know, everything's looking good. You know, we'll
see how it ends up. But he was in uh
he was in New York with Kavan Looney because he
was Covan was his client as well, and Kavan got
invited to the green room, so he was out there

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with him and my mom and my sisters. They set
up a draft viewing party down in San Diego downtown
at Fox Sports. So we're at a little bar like
all rented out my family friends growing up, my college
teammates that I was close with, high school teammates, they
all came out and we're sitting there. We're watching the
draft and I'm chilling. You know, I'm good because I

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know like as soon as it starts getting into my range,
that's when I started like paying attention.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Would you feel like your range was you said in
late first round?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Right, yeah, yeah, mid late first round, early second then
undrafted was like like the range. But then like going
through the nineteen workouts that I had, like I felt like.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
You know, I'm going to Roy Dawson.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, I could have wrote my soccer a little bit.
So I started paying attention a little more around like
the eighteenth pick because Toronto was coming up, and I
was like, man, that was my best workout, and so
they ended up taking the lung right at twenty and
then I shot round with the Milwaukee Terry Rizer went

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off the word. I think he went to Boston and
then around I think r J. Hunter went with like
twenty ninth or some pick. And then, like I said,
I worked out with the Lakers my last workout the
day before the draft, and I was a callback. Me
and Anthony Brown had got called back the workout again. Sam, Yeah,

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and I killed that workout, and I will say he
shot it better than me.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
That the second workout he shot it way better than me.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
But throughout the competition pieces and like the skill pieces
and stuff like that, I felt like I did a
way better job showing him like how versatile I am,
you know, off the ball, pinned downs on the ball,
pick and roll stuff like that, gett into the rim finishing.
But he did shoot the ball better than me, but
he was already a three point shooter. And at Stanley anyway,

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So he ended up going I think the thirty second
pick and on it once it got past like thirty five,
and like I'm seeing these other dudes like get off
the board.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm like, I'm about to walk out this draft like like.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Getting drafted like everybody that like I went up against
everybody that I felt like I outperformed that was in
my position, like like or like a tweeter, Like I
felt like I outplayed in my workout. So I'm like, man,
I'm not doing this, like I'm not about to sit
here and watch like you know, you hear the stories about.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Guys, bro, you're about to leave.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, oh man, I was about to leave.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I was.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
I was pitching. I'm trying to call my agent, like yo,
what's going on here? Like you said this, this and
this and like nothing. He's going through it because Kavan
was going through it at the draft because he fell
out of the green like the lottery.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
So like he's he's trying.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
He's dealing with two fires at the same time, and
so like I'm like, man, I'm out of here, and
so like by the time I'm about to walk away,
Tier you know, you.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out tie.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
And so it's tires my two high school coaches. Like
I'm getting ready to walk out, like I'm over here
fuming like pissed, and so uh they grabbed me like no, man,
like all everybody come in like it don't matter, you know,
like you're around family, like loved ones, like we're gonna
love you with it drafted or not, this, that and
the other. They roomed me back in and so by

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the time, like now it's so much commotion because like
they know like how I'm feeling. I finally call my agent.
He finally pick up, and like by the time he
picked up, and so by the time I'm about to
uh go off on him, my my head coach at
my high school, coach, Jason Bryant, he telled me to
look up, look up, like and I got just gotten.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Drafted at forty six.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
And so I'm on, I'm on the phone mad, but
then like I look in my name come across the board,
so like like I hang the phone up, and like
from there it was just like pure like joy, like
a mix of him up like I was happy, I
was sad, I was mad, you know, so like like
all the emotions came out like I was crying, you

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know because like obviously it's a tech around or not.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Like you get your name.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Called like sixty sixty people get their name called, like
so I have my name called like it was a
It was a mix of motions. But like every I
think every photo that I took from their point, like
you could see that I was just like balling my
eyes out from being drafted. And by the time by
the time like like I hung up and like caught
myself and began getting drafted in my name coming across

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the board he had the commission. I walked out again
and said that I was there was a trade and
I got traded through Toronto. So then I got even
more excited because that's where that's where I wanted to
be and that was my best workout. So crazy moment
for me when I got drafted, because I was literally
about to leave my viewing party, I was like, man,
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
It was nuts. I feel the same way I didn't bro.
I got drafted doing a commercial and my pops, my
pops think I'm super bad dog. I love my pops.
Listen to this day man, And he was like, yeah,
you got drafted.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
And I'm like, man, stop it, man, like, bro, this
is not funny right now, because it was during the commercial.
I was about to get mad at my pops and
then everybody starts celebrating. I'm like, oh, man, you know
it was a right but hey, norm I had me
and Hitless Boy.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I was watching them names different.

Speaker 6 (23:08):
Oh yeah, like oh it was.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
It was on because like I said, like I had
one during the draft because like I know who's in
front of me, So now I know who's in front
of me in the in the actual draft, and so
like I had it, I had it marked. I was ready, like, okay,
summer league. This dude's playing in summer league. The top
guys like I know, like they don't really play in
summer league, you know what I'm saying. But the other
ones that that that are still you know, like like

(23:35):
the later first round picks that the guys in the
early early second round, like, oh, I know you're playing
this like where a summer league schedule at who were
playing who were playing in summer league, So I know
who I gotta go up against and who I got
to show that that I'll compete during the games. So
I was ready, like I was I was locked in,
Like I was already thinking by the time we wrapped

(23:56):
up the draft party and like you know, you go
off celebrate with your By the time we got to
like like the club like to celebrate, like I was
already talking to them about about Summer League, like all right,
like this is who I'm going after, and this is
what I'm about to do. I'm about to go out
there and show them that all the knocks that they're saying,
Oh I can't score, I can't shoot, you know, Oh,

(24:18):
don't worry about it. I got all of that on wraps.
So I was ready to go for Summer League.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
And norm like I'm not saying it's just because you're
my boy, Like you have that like that Kobe Bryant,
Like when I watch you, like you had that Kobe
Bryant skill set where it's like, all right, he could
be floating, but like that dude could get unguardable, like
if he's cooking, it's a wrap. That's why with your shot,
I'm like, oh no, he can get it shot off.

(24:44):
It's just it's just confidence. Is the ball in his hands?
All right? What was what was VET camp like for?
People don't know Norm. I know you a grinder, bro.
I remember watching in the journey. You know, you did
some league, you did all the if that, you did
every workout possible. But VET camp is a lot different
because you see kind of the training camp guys and
you get the VET camp You're like, oh, snap, like
these are the real guys on the team here. So

(25:06):
what was that camp like for you? What stood out? Man?
From that kind of I always like to call it
the first day of school.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
It was a lot of fun for me.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
I just remember that because in the summer I got
to work out from like Summer League. I got to
work out one time with Tomorrow, you know, and like
Tomorrow was one of my favorite players in high school
growing up watching him, so like being on the same
team actually get to work out with him was dope.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I only worked out with him one time.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
But going into VET camp just seeing how all the
guys like prepared, you know, like me, like I like
to like study, you know, I just don't want to
go in and like oh, like I'm here and like
show that Like I'm like I'm sitting back like I'm
watching okay, Like this is how this dude prepares, Like
this is how he gets ready and how how can
I like take bits and pieces from their preparation and

(25:52):
their approach to the game. So it was definitely like
eye opening, cause like how we do, like how they teach,
like the young guys when you're going into like pre
like training camp and summer League, like those workouts and
things like that, it's more like group oriented. It's more
like like teaching the ins and out to what you
want to do in the foundations of defense and offense

(26:13):
and how we want to play and things like that.
So getting those like VET guys in and seeing how
Kyle Lawry, Damary Carroll, Damar James Johnson, Patrick Patterson, all
those dudes like each like get ready to go with
their day and what their workouts entail. It was a
lot of fun just sitting there studying and watching them
because it was so different.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
You know, like I'm over here thinking that like I'm.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Doing a lot of all these things that this is
like like I'm doing like excess, and these dudes are
like so efficient with what they're doing and what they're
trying to work on, what they're trying to improve on.
So it was a lot of fun watching them and
then not only that just going up against them, you know,
and and and showing them that like I'm here to compete,
and like I'm here to keep my spot, you know.

(26:55):
And I think that that was the respect that I
got from them. You know, like this this dude, this
young dude is coming in like he's not like the
other ones.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
He's not here playing around.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
He's not here just to enjoy what being in the
NBA brings, you know, the lifestyle things like that, Like
he's committed to the game, like he loves the game.
And that's where like the respect factor started to build
with them because they saw my work ethic group, my drive,
and my mentality and like my love for the game.
But I'd always oh man, I probably got on Kyle

(27:25):
and Damar's nerves with all the questions, all the questions
I was asking them, and all the workouts and things
that we did when we're going like semi live like me,
semi live is live. So you know, Damar moved the
slow shot fakes and everything. I'm bodying him like it's
the playoffs, Like, oh no, I'm here, all that stuff
ain't gonna work on me. And like obviously it did,

(27:47):
but just that mentality of like I'm going up against you,
whether it's we walked through in we seemi live, we
live like I'm here at one hundred and ten percent
every single day, you know, because I want to get
to where you're at. So it was a fun time
for me that that whole back camp and just leading
into Brookie Year.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I got Stay tuned. Coming up next as the NBA
Brookife Film Room with Norman Powell Man. He talks about
this monster dunk he had over Julius Randall. I think
you saw that it came through your phone and all
that good stuff. There's something you don't know about this
dump though, Stay tuned. Did you have a welcome to

(28:31):
the league moment or kind of like it like dang,
this ain't this ain't college no more? Like man, or
like dog, I can't guard this dude to save my life.
Did anybody just just just mess around and give you
the business that maybe you didn't expect, or just like
hey man, like hey dog, I got it today, like
you consider yourself a dependent but like, yo, what's going
on here? Bro?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah? Man?

Speaker 4 (28:51):
So it's crazy to me because like you know, I
was the defensive guy in college. You know, Yes, I
never liked playing these is like if you talk to
my high school coaches, I wasn't the one playing defense,
but going with coach Hallen, like you know, I had
to always had the ability. So like my high school coaches,
my AU coaches would be on me about defense, like
you should be able to guard all your athletic you'r

(29:12):
long b b bah bah.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I'm like, man, I'm trying to put.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
She was talking about, I'm doing a little wrap around defense,
wrap around backtap and going to get it done.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Like yes, Coach Hellen changed all that.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
But for being in the league, like the way a
lot of guys think it's like, oh, I'm going in
the score like, but it doesn't really work like that,
especially with my team that I came on, like demarw
Kyle will like to go to guys so like we
playing for them, you're not getting the rock like how
so how are you going to make an impact?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
So it was defense. So I'm picking.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Guys up ninety four ninety four like pressure and everything,
and I'm thinking I'm doing a pretty good job. And
that's what like elevated me above, Like d right, that's
my dog. But I think like my ability to play
full court defense in that like versatile way of guarding
multiple positions, like like help me kind of get that

(30:01):
edge over him to like play a little bit more.
But my welcome to the league moment, man Victor Ladipo
cooked me. Gave me like top He gave me like
thirty I want to say thirty two or thirty four when.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
He was in Orlando.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
It was at home in Toronto, and I remember it
because as TV Ross, Terrence Ross and Patrick Patterson made
fun of me at the end of the game. He's like,
oh man, wait to walk up tonight. That's that good, Depenson.
He absolutely like like torched me like it didn't matter.

(30:41):
Mid range pull ups and one layups, coming off pin
downs for threes, like I could not, like I could
not contain that dude. Like usually like I'm pretty good
like being super physical, but like vic like people don't know,
like pre injury, vict was I was a problem, like
like his athletic ability, his versatility being able to get
you off on your heels for for pull ups and

(31:01):
getting down to the rim, like he had that back up,
that quick drop cross and get your body. That was
my welcome to the gave me. I want to say
like thirty four. I could be wrong, but it was
like thirty two thirty four and I just I couldn't.
That was that was like my like damn, Like I
gotta do something else. If this is what's gonna be
everything the best players.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Now VIC is tough man. But look no we'll pulled
you down, but we got to bring you back up.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
You had you had enough moments, brother, we could we
could talk about some of the you know, the early
ones because you had several. Let's get into the NBA
Rookie Life Film Room. You're welcome, My God, Julius Random Band,
send it to the Holy Church of Power. Man. Hold on, brother,
break down this clip to me? What was going on
in the game. Norm I know you caught a few bodies,

(31:49):
but this body was a little different. Man. I was
getting sent this in the group text. This was this one.
This one hit a little different, man. So walk me
through this play and what's going on in this moment?
Because I know you get hyped. You got a little
wan to hype the normal, Leon felt, you got a
little more hype the normal on this with.

Speaker 7 (32:03):
Man Chris destroys run onside Man.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
So previously to this play right here, I had drove
the basket and I had gotten fouled. So I did
like like like my normal like sweep through, get the
contact with the arm and try to get the photo off,
and it didn't call it. So I was and like
the way the game was going, like it was an
intense back and forth game with them, and we were

(32:36):
just starting to make our little run for separation. So
I was pissed the possession before, and so I was like,
the next time I get this, the next time I
get this, I'm going to the rim and I'm dunking
this because I was so mad. That's that's where you
see like the frustration come out. Like I didn't even
like like I like usually like I yelled, but I

(32:57):
was like I was this, So that's where the frustration
came out. So I had a little more umphun on
the finish. So it didn't matter if you jumped or
not like that that dunk was what was happening. I
didn't see him really, I was just going to finish
that as hard as I could because I didn't get
a foul call on the last possession, so he just
got he was just in the way. Man honestly, he

(33:18):
was just in the way for me in the rim.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
Gorman Powell turns that corn goes all the way over
to the other side.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Now he simply elevates up over the top a Rambo
throws a him.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Do you feel like a little more disrespected, like when
your teammates you see Kawhi get doubled in the corner
kind of like, oh, like I have to make this play.
I can't beat the weak dude they doubling off of
Like do you feel like I would feel like if
you the guy to catch the ball out, you gotta
go get a bucket dog? Like what what do you
feel a little more urgency? Like no, no, no, no, no,

(33:51):
this is a noth game plan that's gonna work.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, for sure, you know because for me, I hold
myself to that standard, you know, like I see myself
as a Kawhi and PG that's all I step on
the floor, Like like, I'm that guy that can come
out and give you twenty five to thirty two. You know,
if you give me the rocket and the opportunity, I
can give you thirty two. So I like it, Like

(34:15):
I like the fact that we have that dude on
the floor and me on the other end when they
want a double team and think that like they're getting
let off the hook with me getting the ball, Like like, nah,
you still got to worry about me as well, you know,
because even though you're taking them out, like that third
option on the other end, on the other side of
the floor is still a problem. So that's my approach
to it too, So like, yeah, go ahead and double

(34:36):
team because you making it easier for me because like
I'm not no just oh, we'll live with him shooting
the ball. We'll live with him Like nah, I'm coming
in there. I'm gonna cause you. I'm gonna cause a
problem too. So that's how that's how I argue it.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I love that you say that too normal. I feel
like that's the biggest development that came in your game.
Is not just like trying to be the guy that
deals with the right things and sell the right things.
It's like, nah, belong like I'm here, and you know,
for those who don't know, we being it's funny, you're
a Clipper now, we be in the Clippers facility when
I was on the Clippers. You're a young guy and
you were there working all the time and just getting better,

(35:08):
like it's crazy, Like literally since I've seen you, they
talk about with greatness, like you just keep getting better
and better and better and better and just developing sudden
all the time. But like you're a guy like I
think the biggest difference is not just knowing the game,
but like you had that confidence that I'll be a
guy that goes and scores. All right, let's let's check
out another play here. Man, you had to play against

(35:29):
PG this earlier in your career is a clutch one.
And when I watched this clip back, like, the dunk
is impressive. That's the highlight in it is the dunk.
But defensively, you got to walk me through what you're
doing here, because it's funny your high school coach. Shout
out to your high school coach talking about you have
elite potential. What you do on this play here is
absolutely unbelievable. Let me know what you see.

Speaker 9 (35:52):
Here working with this skill, what you do in this play,
shout out to the dump.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
But watch walk me through the time in this game,
in this defensive possession, because you you you can do
things defensively no one else. I don't want to say
no one else, but it's a few people can do.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh man.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
So for those that don't know this series, PG was
cook game man, Like it was like like you know,
I'm on a team with Damorrow, so like you've seen
Tomar go crazy in some games.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
You know, well we all from the city too, so
we all hoopd together in the offseason, so it's always personal.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah, So like you know, like like like I've seen it,
but like the way PG was torturing us that series,
like it was it was nuts.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Game five, like.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
PG was was going crazy and they put me in
the garden and it was strictly for defense, you know,
like everything that I did offensively was a bonus. But
I just I just told myself, I'm going to make
it as hard as possible on them as I can.
Like so throughout the whole whole series when I when
I was in I was picking them up, like I said,

(37:09):
ninety four feet, but like not only was I picking
them up like trying to pressure them, I was bumping
them like I was like he don't have the ball,
like as us. You see him coming down for this
the floppy action. You see me into his body, like
I get tripped up, but like I'm on them I'm
connected to him as much as I can, trying to
make sure like I'm wedging them off his line, and
so that that's what That's what I did defensively.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Like the whole the whole game.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Being in that clip, I knew that they were going
to run the floppy Action forum because they were calling
it out, so I was just ready for it.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Uh. And so when I came off of the.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Pin down, they were giving their you know you know
you kind of like just like robotically passed to the
go to guys because they're going to be opened. That's
what they were doing, Like, Okay, this is gonna be
able work on the swing of the PG and then
like he's gonna work, And so I read it out
of the shot the gap was like I'm gonna shoo shoot
the gap and get it just the way I was
able to body and fidal with that pin down screen.

(38:01):
And once I shot the gap and I got a
hand on it, I was like, it's over what I'm
to the rim.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I'm to the rim. And almost is funny.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Because the play almost didn't happen because you can't see
it in this clip, but the boss slips out my
hand at the end, which caused me like like the
cock the ball back a little bit more so I
could readjust and grab it again in the air.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
And so I was just hyped. I don't even know what.
I was just like, like what they talking about? What
they talking about?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Because they were.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Saying that they're going to beat us, and so like
when we tied it back up, we went on a run.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
We're actually down up until this point.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
We went on like a sixteen to two or something
like that run, and I capped it off with that
by tying the game up. So it was just crazy,
especially as a rookie. It was just crazy the energy
in there.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
It looked like you would have took off from free throw.
It looked like you just were gonna take two dribbles
and wherever you were from where you're at there like
you were gonna dun't. But like you're leaping around here
like a video game, like you're glitching and sliding like
and that's I think just watching it is crazy. But
it's like, yes, for those who don't know, when you're
playing against a star player or a guy who can

(39:06):
shoot it, you never shoot the gap. So it's funny.
You almost shoot the gap on the first one, knowing
you're coming back around just to you know, cover the
cover the space there.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I didn't want to get behind.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
So like when I shot the gap on the first one,
like it was the because I know he was coming
out and he could either go either way, so I
wanted to shoot the gap. We got disconnected a little bit,
so I wanted to get back back to him and
not give him a direction just so I can chase
him because we're getting calls to like those holding files,
you know, when guys are twisting and turning around and
floppy action, you know, you get to like the grabbing

(39:38):
and stuff like that. So I just wanted to give
him one direction. And so when he when he went off,
I was at like, I think the big I don't
know if it was not Mahimi in the game at
that time, but uh I did. He didn't he didn't
get my body, he didn't he didn't get to get
the contact, and so I was still connected to him,
and so I was able to play.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
What makes PG so tough to guard, you know, you
obviously play with him now you get to see how
great he is. And he seemed like Pg's one of
those guys like you bro, that's a little bro right
there too. Just keeps getting better and better. What makes
Paul so tough to guard when you're playing against him
or just or just watching him now that you cook
with him.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
What makes PG so so great his elusiveness. Honestly, like
he's so tough, you know, shifty with the ball, and
you know, being a three level threat. I mean six nine, six, ten,
h six, I'll give him six eight. I ain't gonna
give him all.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
That, but.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
You know, but but his versatility, being able to shoot
it off the dribble from three, in the pick and roll,
being able to attack and shoot in the mid range area.
He was torching us in the mid range area this series,
and just being able to finish. You know, he's athletic,
he's long, he's able to finish over around creativity around
the rim is crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
But he's uh perfected scoring at all three levels. You know.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
So you can't really take your foot off the gas
with him because like if you back up, he's able
to get you on your head.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
A little bit more and create space for the three.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
If you pressure him, you know, he's able to attack
you downhill and shift to get to his main range
pull up, you know, and then like if you keep that,
you know, he's able to keep his dribble alive and
then use his body to finish around you.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
So he's just a very crafty, uh scorer with the ball.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
You know. It's funny. I remember PG in the gym
when he was when he was young, Bro, when he
first got drafted in Indiana, he would just take the
wildest shots. Bro. Like, he would take the wildest shots
and in as crazy as like he literally just kind
of perfected the same shot. He got way stronger. He
was skinny, he got way stronger, but he, like PG
literally just perfected all the stuff that he was already doing. Like, hey,

(41:38):
Paul stopped taking these wild shots, but like now he's
literally hitting them from everywhere. Like so like he's all.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Shots, normal shots, f room, because like he worked.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
On it, they're normal shots.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And so being able to be.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
On the same team with them, and I worked out
with him last summer like going into like the four season,
because I was traded last year to them, not this
past season, but season prior going into that summer. For
this past season, we're being able to work out with
him and seeing a different footwork drill he does. And
like the restrictions he puts on his shots and his workouts.

(42:11):
You know, he can only work on this, you can
only shoot it from here. You're only working on these
type of shots. So them crazy shots. We think that, like,
oh man, why is he taking that? Like he literally
works on them every single day, like different style shots,
different ways, different ways to get into him, different styles
of defense. So like you can see like why he's
taking those and because of the work that he puts in,

(42:32):
so they're normal shots from facts.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Nah, man, that's huge, all right? Next slip here, Man,
you went ahead and went off, had a career high
and started cooking Dog. I want to know, did you
have wheedies that morning with somebody talking crazy to you?
You're normally a chill, calm cat. Were you just feeling it?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Man?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
What led to this career high? Forty three point man
dropped a forty burger? Man wrapped his record, talked me
through this one man? And how did you just get
cooking Dog? And was this one of those moments where
you're like, hey, man, like I think I'm one of
those guys, but I know one of those guys. Now,
how did this game changes.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
So it's funny. Prior to this, we got hit with
COVID this year through the play. This was the COVID
year when we got back to playing. But we're playing
in Tampa, but our team got hit with COVID, so
a lot of the guys are out. It was just
me and and Kyle from like the court group of
guys getting major minutes.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
And I was cooking throughout. You know, I was the
one two option.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
I already get to the baseline, find Kyle for the
corner gun.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
It goes he is rolling open. That happen.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
And this was the first game back where we had
Freddie m Pascal And honestly, like I was like, I
don't want to do too much because like I've been
like the you know, the go to option between me
and Kyle for like nine ten games right now, waiting
for the guys to come back.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
And now that's backwards.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
How you gonna have a career? How would they get
back back?

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Like you know, you know, you know, I said, I'm
about the team, so you know, I didn't want to
come and like do too much and like act like
they you know, they weren't there, you know, because that's
how it was before. But like I think I was
just still in like such a good rhythm. Uh, And
the game had slowed down for me so much because
like I was getting the I was playing high minutes,
high usage, and I was so efficient. I think I

(44:18):
was adding like twenty five twenty six through that like
ten game span, shooting like forty two percent from three
and like fifty from the field. Like I was just
in a crazy groove. And I think the fact that
I didn't want to do too much just led to
me being like so easy and letting the game come
to me and flow that like no matter what I
was doing.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
That it was just good because I wasn't forcing it.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, it's much time now. Powell buyers filled it in
another foul call.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
So this was the worst case scenario. They burned time,
but guess what they got it the Powell He gets
fouled on a three pointer. That's forty points for.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Him and a free throw coming and possibly a two
point game here.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
You know, it was just everything was in rhythm.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Everything was in flow, Like I saw the reads and
everything like before it was happening and how they regarded me,
and I.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Was just just making them.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
I was just coninue attack like I knew that I
get the ball, I'm just getting downhill finishing. If they're
backing up, I'm shooting the three like I knew what
I was gonna do, like like instincts rights guns.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
For three and Adamson, Wow, did you get any crazy
text messages after this game? Any anything changed? Was the phone?
Was the phone buzzing once you got back? I know
it was during COVID Obviously we see there's no no
fans there. Man, Did anything change for you where you're like, oh,
you know, it's just part of the part of the routine.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
For me, Like like my mentality doesn't like really change,
like even like going through like my early years, I
just felt like I always feel like if I get
the opportunity to be a thirty minute a night player,
like I can do this on a regular basis, you know,
it's just getting the opportunity, you know, And that's how
I always viewed myself, like like I'm one of those guys.
Like my quick story, like in high school, my best

(46:05):
friend I was telling about that played the song on
draft day, Like we're sitting in the gym and we're
talking about like making it to the league and stuff
like that, and he literally told me like, oh yeah, man,
like I think you can make it to the league,
like you can be you know, a guy in somebody's
bench making like a ton of money, this, that and
the other. And I looked at him like I was crazy,
like be on somebody, Finch man, like I'm gonna be
like I'm gonna be Kobe, I'm gonna be covid It.

(46:26):
I'm gonna That's what I told him. He looked at
me like I was crazy, like bro what like. But
that's been my mentality, like like I'm gonna be one
of those guys and I'm gonna put the work in
to achieve that.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
To me, it's like it's funny watching you know we
started off earlier. You're saying like, hey, I didn't shoot
the ball well. But I feel like even from day
one when I seen like, oh no, he's going to
figure it out. And like you're shooting catch and shoot threes.
Three is off the bounds, off the move, and I
think one thing like for athletic guys like you, the
biggest kids, you can get your shot off. So like
once you fine tuned it, you're right there. Man, how

(46:58):
much work had you put in on your shot or
do you feel like the hard work was already there
it just started paying off.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
No, I changed my shot honestly, coming from college to
the NBA, I changed my shot. If you look at
clips from when I was shooting the ball in college,
I used to shoot the ball way behind, and I
used to jump super high because I saw athletics. So
like my off the dribble, mid range pull ups were
the same as my threes. Like I was jump just
like I was shooting to pull up jumper. And so

(47:29):
through the pre draft workout, we didn't change it too
much because, like, you don't want to change your shot
and you're trying to go out there and perform for
these teams, you know, that's like a bigger adjustment. So
we just tried to get it as consistent as possible
through the pre draft workout process. But then when I
got drafted and going in the summer league, coach Casey
and coach Jemma, they told me the one thing they're

(47:51):
going to change in my shot first is how high
I jumped. So in summer League it was a little joke,
but they said they were going to find me if
I jumped on my on my three point shots. So
I'm literally like like in mid games. We worked on
it through practice and everything, but in the games, like
you know how hard it is to like control yourself
with the usage the balls, and so like literally I'm

(48:13):
jumping like maybe like half inch off the ground when
I'm shooting my threes in game, and it actually like
paid off. I think I shot almost like forty percent
in Summer League from just making that small adjustment and
then it was like the form, but it was like
that small adjustment that I made that like helped change
my shot tremendously. And then just like the off season
work with my U with my trainer AJ Diggs, like

(48:36):
we worked every form, shooting form, shooting form, shooting, stepping
out form, shooting one hand form, shooting two hand form,
shoulding off the dribble form with one hand form, shooting
like just building the consistency out and locking that in.
And that's where the change came from just hours and
repping it out.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Shot AJ Diggs. By the way, man Kyle Legend right
there that do was Aj was a problem, But it's
that they said don't jump because you used to over
jump and then looks like you're literally right at that
sweet swap right in the middle, shooting at the peak
of your jump and letting the shot go. I had
the same problem. I definitely didn't turn into anywhere near
the shooter you were, But I used to hold that

(49:15):
thing because when you're a bouncy you could just hang
up there and then and then let it go. You
almost aim it, all right. Let's get to this next clip, man,
probably one of the most clutch plays you had. You
guys are down three two to the Celtics, and you
make an unbelievable play. Dog walk me through this a
moment because this is this is crazy, right, Here's what's
going on here, Norman, take them off the mount stripped

(49:36):
like pod pound with one man to beat, drives in
the smart don't pound it out of the found.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yeah, full scramble the second overtime we down, we up won,
And it's just a full scramble because, like you know, Boston,
they have so many weapons. And I actually get lost
on the play because Kimbug comes in. He comes into
the block and so when Jellen round goals, he goes
and swings it and I'm thinking that somebody's in the corner.

(50:04):
You see me jump back and I see it, and
we're just in a full scramble mode now. So now
I'm trying to put out the next fire and I
see the swing to Jason and he so he attacks
and since I'm running across the paint, he crossed over.
So I'm like, oh, let me try to let me
just try to pick this real quick. So, oh, let
me get that because I was doing I was running.
I was actually running to the corner to the next guy,

(50:24):
because if he would have swung it, I think it
would have been tight to somebody in the corner. So
I'm actually running across the lane to go there. And
as soon as he attacks and crosses over, he put
the ball right in front of me. So I'm like, oh,
I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to make a play.
And I thought, my whole thing, I'm trying to make
a play right here. So he attacks cross and I
remember to get it and pick it up and take

(50:45):
it down in the court and get to finish.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
No normal. I wants you to know that is very
abnormal what you did. There's there's a small percentage of
people to do it. So when you're watching this clip,
you're running full speed, you're figuring things out, and right
at that moment where you stop and reach back, somebody's
tearing in Achilles bro somebody up. So you're running full
speed and as you stop and reach back, calculated and

(51:09):
get the little poke. That's why you got to steal
because he's like anybody else running full speed isn't even
a factor and you actually get on balance, been down
and make this play. That's that's the freakish ability that
we were talking about, Like do you do you catch
people off guard with that? Just the fact that you
can go full speed, stop on a dime and get

(51:32):
a calculated reach or like you know, you're kno going
to ball out of bounds maybe at best, but you
actually hit it to yourself.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Yeah, no, it's funny. Like I never really thought about
it that way. But when I got to Portland actually
and like talking to dam and SEEJ, like we talk
about like just a game, like oh man, I gotta
get this, like I gotta take this from your game.
I gotta take that from your game. And the one
thing that he said was like, man, I don't understand
how you can go full speed and just like like
stop on it. You know what I'm saying, Like like

(51:58):
being able to control yourself to running like full speed.
He's like that right there, is like like what I'm
trying to get because like I can't go full full
out and then like control my body the way I
do so like I think it's just like like a
natural ability and like instinctual, Like I don't think about it.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I just like do it and it happens.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Man, speaking of Dame, you got a story for me
or anything? Man, Obviously, shout out to Portland for the bag. Okay,
we'll say that first and foremost, shout out to Portland
for the bag. But you have a story about Dame,
like the first time. I know, obviously we already know
what it's like playing against him, but as a teammate
where you got to see like, yo, like this dude
is like that, Like he's different. Like was there a

(52:37):
moment where you kind of just were like looking around
like WHOA Like I seen tomorrow, I seen you know
a couple of different guys, but this guy is a
different breed here.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah. No, I mean like when when I first got there,
you know, like he was doing his normal like Dame
Dame time stuff, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
But I think when we made it to the when
we got in the playoffs and we uh we played
in Denver and he went off for like fifty five
or something like that, and oh my, like sitting there
watching like the shots he was hitting, the threes he
was hitting like he came down Ben pick and roll
and came off, went off and did like spun back

(53:20):
to the three, like spun back to the three, shot
that nothing but net like and then come back down
hit you with the pat past sidestep nothing but net.
You know what I mean. Like it was just like
a game where I was just like, y'all, like this
is insane. I've never I've never seen anything like this,
and he hit like like stuff like that he was doing.

(53:41):
But like in the playoffs, like it was just like
like crazy, like effortless, like effortless and you get caught
sometimes just like watching.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Like, bro, did you just make that?

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Like what's going on here? But that game where he
went off for like we ended up losing, but like
just like the shots he was hitting to keep us
in the game, Like it was like maybe like eight
or nine possessions in a row where like he just
was not missing. And it's funny now because like I
see on like Instagram, like the clips from that performance
he had and like you see like when he finally missed,

(54:12):
like you see Austin Rivers, like, oh thank god. It
was like it was like that type of thing like yo,
what is it? Like out of body experience type stuff.
That was like one of my games where I've watched
like and like been in and a part of like, Yo,
this is like crazy like that. And then like watching
him like against like Russ and the playoff series where
they were going at it like its insane, Like some

(54:36):
of the stuff he does, it's insane.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
At some point, you know, you're running the wing are
You're like, man, I'm over here channeling like I ain't
really gotta gotta do much, you know, or just like hey,
if they double, I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
I'm running to the corner, like let me get you
some space. But like I mean, I'm spotted up. I'm
spotted up. But he hit them, like, oh okay, let
me get back on defense real quick.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
I think that's that's the best thing. You know, when
you're playing with great players, you can lock it on defense.
You know, you can focus on those other things, And
I think like one of your gifts, Norm, you know,
where does this come from? Because I feel like your
immense value comes You're a guy who can say, all right, Norm,
go create a shot. Okay, Norm, go stand in the corner.
All right, Norm, go play defense, you know, and not

(55:16):
like complain. A lot of guys are you know, have
a single facet to their game, but you have versatility
in that regard. Where did that come from? Was that
just playing alongside Damar and sometimes not with Damar or
was this something you had to pick up or was
that a coaching thing or how do you come in
with kind of that mindset because you're you're one of
the better guys in the entire league that can create

(55:39):
those shots for yourself.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, I think honestly, like a lot of people don't
know like the mentality piece of like the defensive end,
you know, it was that like I said, like I
used to not like playing defense, you know, then like
coach coach talent, you know, but instill that passion and
fire and playing defense you know, and for me, like
that's how I got to get on the floor.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
So I picked up on the defensive stuff.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
So like coach talent is tea the ins and outs
and how to be a good off ball defender, how
to be a good on ball defender. So picking that
up and learning it and actually like taking pride in
defense going into college.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I think I said, like it, like it all helped me.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
But then I think, like the mentality piece, like I
like I always like had that like competitive drive and
fire to want to compete, you know, and defense is
about competing. It's about sitting down and saying, like you're
not going to score on me, and even if you do,
like I'm gonna make it as hard as possible every
single time, like like that you're in front of me.
And I think that's where it comes from. And that mentality,

(56:32):
like like we talked about, like came from like Kobe,
Like I used to sit down and like watch like
hours interviews, videos, highlights and just like pick up on
like his his approach, you know, and his his mental
focus and fortitude and work ethic and drive and wanting
to be the best, and like him wanting to be
the best, like yeah, people look at the championships and

(56:53):
the stats and things like that, but him wanting to
be the best means you got to win, and so
like for me, for for a guy that wants to
reach that level, it was about winning, right, Like like
the winners of the one that gets talked about like yeah,
you can go have forty fifties, sixties, but yeah, it's
cool to talk about, but like did you win?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Like what did you did? You help your team win?

Speaker 4 (57:15):
And I think that that's my biggest thing, Like yeah,
I can be a guy that can go get twenty
five a night, you know, but is that what the
team needs from me? And is that is that what's
going to help us win? So like for me, I
want to be as good as I can and maximize
my abilities, which is why it works so hard. And
like throughout my career, I just want to maximize what

(57:36):
basketball has to give me. But at the same time,
I want to win. So whatever it takes to win,
that's what I'm going to do. Whatever the team asking
of me, Like, that's what I'm going to do, whether
it's being the number one guy on a given night
or being the third, four, fifth guy, you know, Like
I'm helping the team win, and I'm gonna go out
there and try to make winning players.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
All right, everybody hold up for one second, you gonna
find out something about Lebron what he did against Norman's
Toronto Raptors, the shot that he hit something you did
not know. Stay tuned. Cool stuff coming up next from
Norman Powell. All right, let's have some fun here, Norm Man.

(58:20):
I know you know this clip was circulating you and
Kawhi Man, obviously that's your guy. People don't know NBA players,
we do. This is the silly stuff that happens in
the locker room all the time, but this one just
happened to get caught. Man, what was going on here?
Was Kawhi really that locked in? Was this just an
inside joke y'all had?

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Was this?

Speaker 1 (58:39):
What was going on here? Man?

Speaker 4 (58:42):
So I'm glad it is this clip because the other
clip just cuts off after. He doesn't give me that,
but so I think he was. He was locked in
cliffs like if you see like he's looking forward. But
like my routine when I come out after getting ready
is I go around before we go into the huddle
to run out. I give everybody that you know what

(59:03):
I'm saying, I say it's up to everybody, And so
like I'm saying with up to everybody, and I have
my fist out, but he's not looking at me. And
so when I actually talked to him because I didn't
even know, this was like even made so you see
me like myself like I'm messing with him.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Cool. Thanks.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
After we were talking about it, he's like, bro, honestly, I
thought you were trying to bring the huddle in because
you see him like pointing.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
He's like pointing.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
I was trying to bring the huddle in to bring
everybody in, you know, the sale piece before we run out.
But I was just trying to give him that. But
that's why that's why he pointed over there. Like I
didn't know, but like I started joking with him right there,
like yeah, okay, cool, don't leave me hanging like straight.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
But it was just.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Funny that they caught this moment and it like went viral,
like like when I got back to my phone after
the game, like even I think Snoop Dogg posted it.
I think the game posted it, like everybody was posting
it and it was pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I think it was more so like Kauhi is just
a terminator, like no, nothing funny, like you know, let's
go no handshake, no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
No, no, don't even touch me like, I'm locked in,
But he didn't. He didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
I was like when I talked to you about it,
like he didn't know that I was like just giving
everybody a normal adapt before we ran out. He thought
I was trying to bring everybody into the huddle, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Walking me through this play here from Kawhi Man, I
got to see this. This is one of the greatest
shots in Toronto history. What was the play that got called?
Here gets off?

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
The letter defended by Simmons? Is this the ties?

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
If I'm not mistaken, I think you're hurt this series.
I don't know if you're you're you're here? But what
was going on here? Man? What was the call? Did
you see this coming? This is? This is like unbelievable. Man,
what what don't I know or what don't we know
about what happens here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Norman?

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
I I'm here, I'm on I'm on the bench though
I'm on the bench this this one. But now, so
it was it was supposed to be like a misdirection
for Kawhia come off and get the ball going to
his left. But I think the way they guarded it
he had to pop out because he would have wear
right into Tobias and so he caught it and just

(01:01:13):
like pivoted out and had to create at that point
in time, like he created that himself. That was not
the draw up play for sure, but he just created
it off the way they guarded him, and it was
just like a wait and see moment. You know, you
know that ball could have went any way, but like
just it is an unbelievable shot, you know, point two

(01:01:35):
seconds front rim bounce, Like how does it? You know
what I'm saying, Like it's just like it's a front
rim like any other shot you shoot short front that's
coming right back at you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
But the fact that it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Like bounced short and went straight in the air as
soft as it did, you know, it's like kind of
like that sixth Man had somebody like put a little
touch on it, yea, like sopping it up. Like that's
what it That's what it looked like, and like everybody
was just waiting, like it felt like it was forever
when it was like hanging on the rim, but like
it was crazy, it was nuts and it was going crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Kawhi's numbers here and during this run compared with Michael Jordans,
Keem Elijahron, Kobe Bryant, what do you remember about this?
Like and just kind of watching it happen. Obviously you're
locked in as a teammate, But what do you remember
about this Kawhi Leonard right here? I mean, this is
you're literally a part of history with what Kawhi did.
What do you remember about him? What don't we know?

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
I just remember sitting there with Fred we played we
played Orlando in the first series, and like the first
six possessions of the game, I think he was like
five for six, like crazy, and so like I just
remember like like like I think after his third mayk
here and may rings pull up and me and Fred
just like looked at each other like yo, like this okay,

(01:02:51):
like the lights on now, like like like this is him,
like like this is his time, and so like like
you just saw, like I got told the people like
even this this past like postseason, even.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Though he got hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Unfortunately, like his mentality and like demeanor doesn't change. But
there's just like a certain like level of like focus.
I feel like it's like there, you know what I'm saying,
where it's like you're able just to get automatically like
into a zone. I'm not saying that that's what he does,
but just it's just that's what it looks like from
the outside when you're watching him, like when he's playing,

(01:03:25):
like when he's going through when there's a runs or
anything like that, Like he's always has this like calm
like demeanor where it's like I really don't give up,
like what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Like like are we winning? Are we making the plays
to win? Are we competing?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
And that's how he goes out and plays, and it's
just contagious.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
What do you remember about that first championship in Toronto history?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
What does that mean? Not just for the city, for yourself,
all the above, Like what what? What? What was that? Dog?
You put in a lot of work, dog for the
kid who maybe was was very overlooked, had to work
for a spot, you know, and and everything comes together.
It seems like Toronto was getting there and then coming
up short. What do you remember about that that championship? Man?
When when it finally like kind of kind of ended.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
It was amazing. It was like, honestly a dream come true.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
And for me, like like I have my own little
like personal things like we won to go to the
finals on my birthday, so May twenty fifth, and like
if you rewind my rook and my rookie year, we
got blown out by Cleveland and Cleveland on my birthday,
so like it had four four years to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Win on my birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
It was like a nice little little present for me,
you know, like like like self present, like, oh, we
won the finals on my like going to the finals
on my birthday. So it was was it was amazing
just for the run and then just to see like
the city like you see you see the crowd now
in the background of the video, but like to have
that every single game, and then to see the response.

(01:04:55):
I'm still kind of bummed that we couldn't couldn't close
out in Toronto because I knew that would have been crazy,
but just to see like the response like we're getting
like we're celebrating things like that, and then like people
are like showing us videos while we're celebrating in the
locker room of like what was going on back home
in Toronto, Like like people climbing trees, running the streets

(01:05:15):
like it was crazy. It looked like a mob out there.
But it was just an amazing moment. And time for
for not only in Toronto, but like just to like
the country, you know, to bring a like when people understand,
like when you're playing for Toronto, like you're not just
playing for that city. You know, You're you're playing for Canada,
Like you have support up and down Canada. So like

(01:05:37):
that be a part of that moment in history, you know,
like they talk about until today and it's gonna be
something that's talked about forever.

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
To be a part of that was amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
It was a dream come true.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
It still feels weird to be called like.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
An NBA champion, but it was definitely a special time
and I think everything just came together like perfectly. Just
the story like how developed acquiring Kawhi, you know, the
trade with Damarrow, you know, it was just like the
build up to it. And finally reaching that mountain top
was amazing, all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Right, knowing for get you out of here, I get I.
Unfortunately I did it backwards. I gave you the sweet.
Now I got to talk about the bitter Lebron hit
one in one of his iconic shots against Toronto. You
talked about maybe this was the bitter part. You just
you just spoke about what was going on, what was
the play on this, and like kind of like what
mates Lebron so tough? We talked about peak Kawhi, talk
about peak Lebron, And I know you had a chance

(01:06:31):
to kind of guard him with like just what was
happening on this play? Why wasn't he doubled? Was it
like keep him on the sideline, just just walk me
through this because this was crazy. I remember, I remember
watching it. He dropped a thirty eight piece.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
Here, three second, throw us up the flutter go good nights.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
That is for you, Like if you if you were
winded to where he releases the ball makes the shot.
You can see me on I'm sitting on the bench
right here and I'm standing up. I'm the one with
I'm like right like you see me right next to Valentunez.
I'm like I'm about to put my hands up. I'm
right by the coach. I'm about to put my hands
in the air, like yo, he just shot that. It

(01:07:17):
made it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
It was nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
You know, we were supposed to be denying him and
making somebody else beat him. But I remember talking to
Pascal and he didn't want to leave Kevin love so
I think that that was the whole point in having
Kevin Love inbound and be the one to set that
that backscreen for him, because then if we came off,
k Love got a wide up in the street, you know,

(01:07:41):
and he was he was cooking, he was he was
he was knocking him down this this series against us.
So it was it was a one on one. I mean,
it's a I mean, who's who else is taking that
shot like that? Eighty four people him, Kobe d Wade Jordan, like,
like who else is taking a shot like that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
And I couldn't believe that one, Like I was like, yo.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
What what is this? Like why why would you shoot
that for game? And like just the way That's what
I was like, like, bro, what how did you shoot
that for game? It was insane? But then it's funny.
When we got Phil Handy, he had me working on
this damn shot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
And so when he took me to the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Drill, I'm like, man, hold on, this is the drill
that that this is when Brian hit the damn shot
on this in Cleveland, And he was like, yeah, why
do you think he took it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
We worked on this every day. Makes sense, like you
work on it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
So now like this shot looks crazy that everybody else watching,
but for guys who work on it every day, it's
a normal shot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Like he if you working on it, he perfected.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
You just got to bring it out when you need it,
and he brought it out and it was just crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Now once so Bron comes up on that left side.

Speaker 8 (01:08:55):
Watch how he changes in the air and gets it
off the glass in plenty of time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Now that was some play.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
That was nail in the confin right there, I was
nailing the coffin.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
I think just what was tough about Bron? And I
think this was his greatest run as a proer right
up there, like second greatest whatever, like kind of like
it's like kind of old this this sparked off the
O G Tour for Lebron, but like I just he
was just in the zone. Like you guys were younger,
more athletic, but I felt like he just mentally was

(01:09:27):
just eating coverages. Apart this series, what did you see
or what were you guys trying to do, like just
just mix up the looks or just hey make him
beat us, see if we tire him out?

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
What was the mindset this series one was when was
to try to tire him out, which is why we
had O g on him a bigger physical defender, being
able to pick him up and try to get the
ball his hands. But I mean, like you know, like
the story of Lebron's film study knowing the game great IQ,
we want we wanted other guys to beat us, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Like he was huge.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
They had they had him at the elbow and they
would run this like pin down curl action with Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Love Yes and j R.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Smith and Kob like they like that little action with
Lebron facilitating at the elbow is like unguardable because you
got knockdown three point shooters. You can't send a double
team to him at the elbow, you know, because you're
giving up other looks on the other side and he
can take you one on one. So like the whole
thing we were trying to do is one be super
physical with him and have others beat him. But like

(01:10:27):
Lebron tore all that up, and I think with what
kind of changed everything was when he started hitting those
damn Kobe turn around fadeaways that were nothing but net
like it was just like, like like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
I said, I always feel like like in the League.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
There's like times where you know that like teams like
is this is their moment, you know, and they like
they rise to the dication and they play like that.
And bron Le Bron was playing like that all series
and like even even the guys around him, like was
playing like that all series of shots they were making
like serge block the shot, it bounced to cover in
the corner, knock down three. It's like we making the

(01:11:02):
right place. But you know they're they're coming up with
the ball and hitting it off after our multiple third, four, fifth,
six efforts on defense and they're still making shots. You know,
Like like to me, when I look back at it now,
it's like, oh, this is this was her time, this
was her moment. There's nothing you can do. Yeah, man,
We'll shooting all fun stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Brother. I appreciate you coming out door. We're gonna have
to do this again. You know we could look we
a hoop head man. We can sit and talk, uh
talk hoop all day. We can talk hoop, yeah man,
but shoot man, Like I said, you you come out
and you blessed us. Here on the pod NBA Rookie
Lighte Prible with Ryan Hollands. Where can we support you.
Where can we help any foundations? I g Twitter all

(01:11:43):
that shout out to stuff that people want to come
in and lock in with you. Man, But thank thanks
for your time, brother man, big time stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Anyway, you know, I have my my brand, Understand the Grind.
It's my It's my lifestyle model and how I approach.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Not only by so we of it on shirts.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
This is the basic team that we have, but I
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Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Bunch of athle leisure where men's and women's and it's
it doesn't go to me, it goes to my foundation.
I don't take no profits from it. It goes straight
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hard work, dedication, commitment. For me, it's giving back to
the next generation. I want to be that positive role model,
an influencer to show the kids from Southeast San Diego

(01:12:27):
where I grew up, that things are possible, you can
make it with the right mentality and the right work
ethic and showing them that there's more than just the
inner city, you know. And that's what my foundation is about.
Giving back to them, giving them more opportunity not only
on the court or on the field, but in the
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reading rooms.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
In San Diego.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
We have a strong women's support group for the amazing
women that are doing a lot of great things in
the community and in the world, providing support for them,
being a place where they can come share their thoughts
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(01:13:09):
wouldn't be out here, be where we're at without the
women in our lives and our mothers, our sisters. Yeah,
so I got aau programs. Everything is built and based
around this understanding grind, this saying this model that I
live by, kind of like the mama mentality. Me and
my boys kind of took that and created our own
thing because we always try to figure out, like why
so many people aren't successful, you know, how come the

(01:13:32):
guys that were supposed to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
And make it when we were growing up didn't make it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
And one of my boyses and like they really don't
understand the grind, Like they don't understand what it takes
get there, you know, and the commitment and the sacrifice
and we use that every single day as a mental
and an approach to life. Whenever we got hit with obstacles,
you know, just all part of the grind, and we
use that to keep going and to keep pushing. And

(01:13:58):
that's why I try to instill it not only to
my friends, but into the community and the next kids
coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Absolutely, Man, appreciate it about them. I G tach just
Norman Power right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Norman Power for for the IG Understand the Grind Foundation
for my foundation and then shop underscore UTG for the
brands page on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Well, brother, you know how excited I am watching you
grow and who and I'm ecstatic my little browin brother,
you know it. Just phone watch you man, keep it
the good work. You know you be hearing from me, man,
and whatever you need, you know, a phone call away.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Appreciate you, big guy always man, love to support Since
day one. You've always been, like I said, a positive
role model, mentor big brother to me till this day.
So I appreciate you always supporting me and keeping me up,
you know. And that's the positive energy that you always
give me. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
It's been amazing any time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
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to Norman, but even bigger shout out to you guys
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