April 30, 2025 • 23 mins
Pelicans TV Studio Analyst Wes Johnson joins Jim Eichenhofer and Gus Kattengell on the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast to recap Bruce Brown's 2024-25 NBA season.
“You saw him be like a Swiss Army knife, playing point guard, (defending positions) 1 through 5, able to score and play in the pocket. Seeing him grow throughout the season, for me (it showed), ‘This is why you had success throughout your career on numerous teams.’ (Brown previously was) on teams making playoff pushes. He didn’t have a true position or (specific) identity (on the court), but they needed (him) out there, because his skill set (filled) voids.” – Pelicans TV studio analyst Wes Johnson on Brown demonstrating his ability from productive stops in Brooklyn and Denver
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome in to the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast, the official
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and those who cover the NBA on a daily basis.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hell, we want to welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Once again to the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast, official podcast
of your New Orleans Pelicans. We continue with our player
profiles that we're doing now that the regular season is
over with. We've gone through the starters and started on
some of the key reserves. As Jim Ikenoff, Repelicans dot
Com is with us once again, Jim, As we go
through all these players, every player has had to deal
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with something. Every player has had a significance one way,
shape or form this team and their effect on it.
When I look at Bruce Brown, he's somebody that comes
in obviously after the start of the season as part
of the Brandon Ingram trade. What was the vision, what
was the fit I guess for him to come in?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, I mean I think he's one of those guys
that kind of fills in the gaps. He's one of
those players where I don't I think he's kind of
a jack of all trades. He's not a great score,
he's not like an amazing rebounder. He's definitely has a
reputation as being an above average, really good defensive player.
He's a good passer, He's been a good playmaker. He
put him in that kind of that Draymond Green role
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where he can kind of take advantage of three on
two's when other guys get double two on ones in
half court offense. So he's just somebody that is, you know,
maybe not great at anything, but really good at a
lot of different things. So he's been a useful player,
especially in his previous stops with Denver and Brooklyn, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And you speak about Denver, Look, this is a veteran
player that's been a key part of either winning playoff
games or championships since such. And when you look at
what's going to happen this offseason with this team, obviously
we have new leadership Joe Dumars coming in, and we
have some players either under contract not under contract, you
have draft picks to come all that. How does Bruce
Brown sort of fit into that?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, I mean there aren't that many guys that are
not under contract, especially among the players that were profiling
in this series. There's only three guys among the fourteen
that are not under a deal with the Pelicans for
next season.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, Bruce Brown is going to be a free agent.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
And so it's interesting because at this very early juncture
in the offseason, he's already been at a Denver playoff game.
He was there in twenty twenty three when they won
a championship, and it's not accurate to just say.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
He was there. I mean, he was a huge part
of that team.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
He averaged double figure points, he had some huge games
in the NBA Finals against Miami that year. But he
already he was at Game two of the Nuggets first
round series against the Clippers last week and actually did
an interview on Nuggets TV and talk to them about
how you know he I mean, I'm quoting here. He
said I miss playing here. He talked about how you know,
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he would really look forward to a reunion with the
Nuggets and resigning with them, although he also mentioned that
you don't know what's going to happen in free agency,
and obviously I think would be illegal for under the
terms of the contract or the CBA for the Nuggets
to even express interest in signing him until July when
free agency opens. But but yeah, I mean he definitely
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had It sounded like a guy who, you know, he
got paid really well to leave Denver and he kind
of had to take that contract he was offered. I
think it was like two years, forty six million for
a guy who had never made even close to that
kind of money. So in the summer of twenty twenty three,
he comes off of winning a championship with Denver. They're
at the championship parade, Michael Malone says, we want to
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bring Bruce E. B back, We want to make sure
that he's here forever. And I think Bruce Brown at
that time said, yeah, I'm all in on that. But
then it was like everybody knew that when free agency opened,
he was going to ge a big contract offer, and
he probably, if all things are equal, he probably would
have stayed in Denver. I mean, there was no reason
for him to leave other than financial reasons. So he's
had two years now where he's been on three different
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teams and been traded a couple times, and it hasn't
Obviously the team success hasn't been there for him. But
even the individual success, he's had some injuries. So to
make a long story short, it sounds like he's you know,
that's already the way he's leaning, even though the season
just ended.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
A couple weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I'll tell you one of the things that'll be interesting
to see is what happens in the offseason because Denver
Gym has a decision to May too. Right, do they
need to get a head coach?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yes, they do, and GM as well. Don't forget that.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and they it's I mean, it's
not breaking news. I mean, we'll see how the playoffs
turn out for them. Right now, they're in good position
at least in the first round against the Clippers up
three too.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
But I mean, I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Think it's a secret too that they need to add depth. So,
I mean, they're gonna have a bunch of important roster
decisions as well, and I'm sure they're also looking at
they have a bunch of guys under big money. They're
looking to fill in some spots with some maybe more
kind of what you might call affordable options.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, you said big money one of the big men.
As part of our broadcast team is mister Wes Johnson.
He's going to join us here to talk a little
bit about Bruce Brown and more importantly a little summer
fun he's going to be doing there, Jim, I don't know.
You know, he's part of the Big three. Can we
saw like a small three? Like you know six and
sounds kind of demeaning, right, we might have to work
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on the name of small But what kind of ratings
we would get? Vertically challenged three? Maybe I like that
there's people that want to tune in to see them play.
I don't know how many people want to see Yeah,
I don't think we can put it under We wouldn't
get much of an audience first maybe maybe maybe for
the blooper Real there's Wes Johnson. Our conversation on Bruce Brown.
Mister Wes Johnson, analyst four the Gulf Coast Sports and
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Entertainment Network. Who you know had an interesting year this
year because look, it didn't go the way you would
have liked it obviously, right, no postseason, not the win
totals that you did. That said you kind of find
out in the fire in the crucible, whatever different phrase you.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Want to use.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Who's who and some people rise right and you get
opportunities and stuff. So we're going to talk a little
bit about that with one player in Brandon Boston. But
we're going to talk about Bruce Brown, a guy that
came in later in the season in the Brandon Ingram trade.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
We all know and love him.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
With the cowboy hat, in his attitude and all that,
but what was his addition to this team here? Because
it didn't go immediately the way he would have liked
it exactly, But towards the end of the season we
saw why maybe teams covered a guy like him. Still
overall thoughts will get into specifics with him, but just
still over all thoughts about Bruce Brown.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
When he came in, I thought he was trying to
fit in and rightfually. So, but as you saw later
on towards the game start piling up for him, you
saw the player. You saw him be able to be
like a Swiss army knife, be able to play point guard,
be able to guard one through five, being able to score,
being able to play in the pocket. So seeing him
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grow throughout the season, that was something that for me
was like, this is why you had success throughout your
career on numerous teams on team that were making playoff pushes,
and they were able to put you on the floor
and just be a player. You didn't have a true position,
you didn't have a true i would say identity out there,
but they needed you on the floor because your skill
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set is able to take up voide for the players
on the floor. They can have you play the center
position and guard numerous positions. So when he came here,
you saw him being able to fit with a Zion,
fit with anybody that was on the floor because he
was able to space the floor, he can plan the dunker,
he can play point. So he's a player that you
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can look in today's NBA. That is one of those
things that's hybrid. You can put him on the floor.
He's going to be out there spacing the wing, he's
going to be in the picking rolls, or he can
be the one initiating the offense. And you need players
like that, and that's something that you wanted to have,
and he saw him slowly start develop that and be
comfortable playing his position when the game start piling up.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, from the outside looking in, it's kind of
difficult to fit fathom the idea of you know, he
played in Toronto the first few months of the season,
and all of a sudden he gets traded here and
has to kind of jump. He had a little bit
of time I think before he started playing games here,
but it wasn't long. I mean, this is something that
you went through though in terms of being traded mid season.
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Can you kind of give us a picture of some
of the reasons why when you get midstream, middle of
the season you get traded to another team, of some
of the challenges that you have to deal with and
some of the things that you're going to have to
figure out without much practice time, without much prep.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Yeah, it's just it's tough because for him, he's playing
numerous positions.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
He's playing the point.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Guard and he's maybe playing i would say not say
the post, but he's one initiating the screening action those
certain plays, having the IQ for that and having him
learn new plays on the fly and try to be
in the right place at the right time. That's something
that is unique. And you see like the chemistry trying
to be built with him through this team, but yet
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being traded mid season is tough because you pick up
the different chemistry stuff, the body language, the voice calls
anything that you're hear from the coaches, your players, your
teammates that you built throughout the first ladder of the season,
and you get traded. Now you got to build that again.
Now I have to learn it all over again on
the fly because the games are coming day after day.
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So you see the IQ level or certain players be
able to pick it up quicker and some people not
say struggle with it, but it's literally trying to get
them to settle in. But it's one of the things
that I was glad to see him do is really like,
you know what, I'm just going to be me and
go out there and this play, I'm going to use
my defense to really catapult me and to getting like
settled in. And he was able to do that towards
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the latter lott of games in the season.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I think it only happened to you, what like once
or twice where you're traded mid season in your career.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I mean, you think, does it help a little bit
if you're like.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
You've been in the league longer, maybe when you come
to a new team, you're at least a little bit
familiar with the personnel on that team from scouting against them,
playing against them, as opposed to maybe your rookie year
where you don't have as much familiarity.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I mean because you played against these guys, You've seen them,
you've had to guard them, you know the schemes of
the coaches and the team. And also, yeah, you've been
around the league and you know what the sense of
people trying to get out of like a seventy seven,
a drag screen, a double screen, they called it different,
and they may say it set a slip screen afterwards.
So you've seen this play in numerous games and numerous teams,
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so you know the call. You might not know the call,
but you know the action. So that helps. When you
played a couple of years in the league.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
You mentioned at the beginning the part about how he
seemed to play better as he got more games under
his belt. Here, he definitely struggled, for example, offensively at first.
Shooting was rough the first part of his tenure here.
But one of the things I'm doing with all of
the guests that we bring in is I'm gonna throw
two numbers at you.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Then you can tell.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Me which one you like better or which one you
want to talk about Okay, you can talk about both.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
If you want as well.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But the first number is for Brus Brown is seven
of thirteen, and that is he shot fifty percent or
better from the field in seven of the final thirteen
games he played for New Orleans before that, in his
first ten games, he only did that once.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's the first number.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
The second number is forty, which is the career playoff
games that Brown has been in. Half of those were
during Denver's twenty three championship, the first and only title
that the Nuggets have won. So which of those two
is the most interesting to you From those two numbers.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I will go with the first one, that's seven or thirteen.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
If you look at he had those struggles early on,
and I think that that's that trying to fit in.
He wasn't being hisself. And you look at his shots
on the second half of that when you saw you
said the seven to thirteen, he was playing in the pocket,
his floater was going, he was tacking the rim, and
he wasn't relying on just shooting the three. He was
playing the in between game. And I would take that
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Denver playoff series, those playoffs, those forty games. If you
look at his points and how he was scoring with Denver.
He was playing the pornber and he was attacking the
rim and he was getting wide up in shots or
playing in that pocket.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
So for him to be able to.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Get his mojo back towards the second half of that's
our season that they have that seven to thirteen. He
was playing within himself and that offense that had slowly
start to come along was just him being Bruce. Wasn't
him trying to fit in anymore. So, Yeah, that's more
of a vet for me to see that.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, he averaged twelve points a game in that postseason
over the twenty games he played. He had twenty one
points in Game four of the NBA Finals. So it's
like if people weren't watching closely, I mean, this dude
had some huge performances in that run and he was
a huge reason that the Nugget ended up winning the
title that year. He was not, you know, just kind
of a bit player that was playing a few minutes
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here there. He was very crucial to that championship. Lastly,
for me, you know, we talked about earlier the challenge
of being traded mid season and now going forward, I'm
sure you experienced this in your career as well. So
going into next season, you know Bruce Brown is a
free agent. We're not going to speculate on that. But
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there's a new regime now, there's a new GM in place.
I'm sure you went through this into your career as well.
How do you how do you respond to that as
a player?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Is there apprehension?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Is there is there concern of like just for example,
this GM drafted me or this GM traded for me,
and now we have a new guy coming in that
doesn't have a connection to me.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Right, it's not you think about it, but it's something
that you really don't because your body of work that
you have done is there, is proven.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
He's proven player, he's been around.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
That's something for your agent to pick up on and
reach out and see what's where you're gonna go, where
you're gonna fall. Do you want to come back here
and have those conversations with the gym and the organization.
But I think for him, like I said, his body
of work is there. He's a champion. He actually was
a vital part of that championship. He's bounced around to
certain teams, but his skill set and his importance to teams,
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and his value is predicated on how he's able to
be able to impact the game throughout different ways. So
I think he has a place on a lot of
teams just because of how the NBA is now and
so for yeah, that's his agent, and like I said,
his body of work is proven.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Ster Wes Johnson has always appreciate the time and let's
see what takes place here. A Big three coming up soon.
We talked about it during the Joe Dumars presser. Jim,
I don't know if he needs, you know, somebody to
in boxing is a sparring partner. If you work out
with somebody to get you ready for basketball tournament season.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I don't know if we.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Would provide any assistance for you. Maybe two on one.
I don't want to pick on I hate to say it,
but I'm just saying, like, you know, you pick him
up at the top of the key and I'll buy no.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I thought you they were going to say, like, you
pick him up and bring him to the practice facility.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I think that's about all I qualified to do.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah there, When does that start with? Man?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It starts June fourteenth. Are you ready? Yes?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
I am yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited about it. I
get to compete, so yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Are you and Corey Brews team? Are you even compete
against Corey Broke?
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Compete against him?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Against him?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yes? That was by choice.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
He was saying I wanted me to play with him,
but I was like, no, I don't want to join.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, I want to play against He won the title
last year. That's what I want to Does he remind
you all of it?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah we won, we won.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I know that was the last year it was.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Did they have him miked up in the Big Three
because they need to?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
They definitely do. I love that.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Thank you for your time, Wes, and I appreciate it.
Thanks to West for stopping by. There as always a pleasure.
I am very interested in that. You know, we were
talking at lunch I think this week with a couple
of our colleagues. There's a handful, almost a half dozen helicans,
either players or coaches or broadcasters, not players, but former
players that are going to be involved in this summers
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Big Three, aren't there.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, Corey Brewer has been heavily involved in I'm trying
to remember Rose Monroe that's right. Is Jody Meek's playing it.
I'm not sure I'll have to get on that now
something or it might be playing out.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
But the point is it's a handful of you know,
Pell's representatives there will be following and keeping an eye on.
So yeah, good luck to Wes who clearly still looks
like he can go out there and play for sure.
So one of the things I want to get into
before we wrap up here is Western Conference Wednesday. Right, Yeah,
we're doing some bonus editions. I wasn't really planning on
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continuing this through the playoffs, but why not?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
What the heck? We enjoyed it now.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Normally when I look at what the Golden State Warriors
can do. As I said, we've talked about this before,
Steph Curry is one of those players you just you
love to watch as I've watched the series with the Rockets.
Though shockingly, Draymond Green has been involved in some center
of attention right in the middle. How do we say
I would way to review certain things, including a body
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check in the last game. Look, I don't know, man,
that's just that's just what comes with it.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It's interesting we heard that Houston's broadcast was very upset
during the game for where he had I forget at
this point, it's I forget the order of it. It
was like he had a flagrant fowl and then he
had a technical. And part of how they administered that
was so if you get two technicals, you get thrown
out of the game. If you get two flagrants, you
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get thrown on a game. So if you give them
one of each, he gets to stay in the game.
And but I've been the reason I bring up Houston's
broadcast is it's I feel like at this point we
could have like a support group for Western Conference teams
that are dealing with the the Draymond problem, which is
you know, I remember back when I saw the game
the other night against the Rockets that the Warriors played,
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it reminded me. In March twenty three, there was a
game where Draymond and Herb Jones of all people, got
into a couple scraps where Draymond accidentally.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Kicked him in the head a couple of times, stomped
on him, rolled over him.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well momentum, yeah, I mean, it's amazing that a world
class athlete has such difficulty controlling his limbs.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The way.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
So Isaac Newton thought of Draymond Green those theater.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right, momentum and gravity, all that different stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah exactly, but but yeah, I just I just feel
like it's I mean, it's just frustrating because it's it's
funny too, because I remember back from that March twenty
twenty three game that I referenced where he kicked herb.
He had a couple other incidents, and I remember during
the game, after his third or fourth incident, I tweeted,
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there's no way Draymond Green can stay in the game.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Guess what, gus I was wrong.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
He stayed in the game, and in the game the
other night, to Game four against the Rockets, I remember
Reggie Miller at one point said after his first technical,
He's like, all right, you know, Draymond, you gotta be
careful now, you gotta watch Guess what, No, he doesn't.
He's got an invincible force field around him. I heard
somebody I forget who said this. I wish I could
remember who said it said that after he gets a technical.
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It might have been Zach Lowe said, after he gets
a technical foul, he becomes like a superhero that is
invincible and has no has like these powers that he
can deflect anything from him.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So it was funny.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I saw a lot of people tweeting in response to
Reggie Miller saying that on the broadcast too. People are like, no, no, no, no, Reggie,
you don't understand. You got it exactly wrong. Once he
gets his technical, he can do whatever he wants. It's
not that he has to be careful. It's that he
he doesn't have to be careful at all, because it
feels like the length that he has to go to
to get thrown out of the game is unbelievable by
no means. Amy the only person saying this too. It's
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not like you're going to be like, oh, Jim, what
are you talking about. It's like everyone everyone has said
this a million times that they can't believe some of
the stuff that he does. It's like there's a different
enforcement of him than there other players. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
What's crazy to me too, is you know, I'm trying
to think of some other players. I've had instances where
the official and this player just don't get along. Are
you almost chuck?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
This officials referee like Chris Paul Scott Foster's kind of
a famous duel back and forth. I can get like
that element of it because they're drawing, right, sometimes things
get personal toal don't want that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Like the human beings.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
They do not want to be shown up right. They
don't want to be yelled at. You don't want to
be cussed out. They don't want to become the story
either the league. Hell's you please, don't everything I just said.
Those exactly what he does to them, right, He puts
them in and he.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Puts them in a terrible position where it's like they
don't they don't want to throw him out because they
don't want to affect the game and they don't want
to become part of the story on like all of
the news shows in the highlights.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
You think it's because of that finals game when they
threw him out against the Cavs. It's possible, I think
the Warriors win that series.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Mean that's possible that that's part of it. But it's just,
I mean, it's just hard to it's hard to fathom.
It just feels like the league is getting bullied by
him and the referees are getting bullied by him constantly.
It's like he does there's games where he does six
or seven things that would get any other player kicked
out on the second time that they did something like
that of a game.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
No doubt, Western Conference Wednesday, the Draymond Green addition.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
You know, also we could briefly, real briefly talk about
Game five Lakers Timberwolves.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I mean, I'm so interested to see tonight.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You mean what happens with so exciting?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, I mean depending on we'll see if I'm excited
at eleven thirty pm or so.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But yeah, not that.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
We can bet, right, We're not allowed to do that
over here, but I would put your money, my money,
grafts money, j D's money, Aaron's money, college. I'm scared
where you're No way Lebron will be scoreless in the
fourth quarter? Oh okay, would you agree with me on that?
How surprising was that? Look, that was one of the
big storylines. You substitutions in the fourth quarter all starters
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and Lebron did not score.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah, that was crazy. I mean he made he did
make some good defensive plays. He had some athletic blocks.
But it's like, at a certain point, I don't know
how much you can ask five guys to play the
entire half to still have the same energy at the
end of those twenty four minutes, says they did at
the beginning. So I mean that's another thing that'll be
interesting to watch tonight too. How does JJ Reddick handle
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his substitutions and his rotations, especially if they get down
where it's like you, I mean game four, he treated
as though we can't lose this game. I mean tonight,
you literally can't lose this game or your season's over.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hell, we want to welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Once again to the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast, official podcast
of your New Orleans Pelicans. We continue with our player
profiles that we're doing now that the regular season is
over with. We've gone through the starters and started on
some of the key reserves. As Jim Ikenoff, Repelicans dot
Com is with us once again, Jim, As we go
through all these players, every player has had to deal
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with something. Every player has had a significance one way,
shape or form this team and their effect on it.
When I look at Bruce Brown, he's somebody that comes
in obviously after the start of the season as part
of the Brandon Ingram trade. What was the vision, what
was the fit I guess for him to come in?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, I mean I think he's one of those guys
that kind of fills in the gaps. He's one of
those players where I don't I think he's kind of
a jack of all trades. He's not a great score,
he's not like an amazing rebounder. He's definitely has a
reputation as being an above average, really good defensive player.
He's a good passer, He's been a good playmaker. He
put him in that kind of that Draymond Green role
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where he can kind of take advantage of three on
two's when other guys get double two on ones in
half court offense. So he's just somebody that is, you know,
maybe not great at anything, but really good at a
lot of different things. So he's been a useful player,
especially in his previous stops with Denver and Brooklyn, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And you speak about Denver, Look, this is a veteran
player that's been a key part of either winning playoff
games or championships since such. And when you look at
what's going to happen this offseason with this team, obviously
we have new leadership Joe Dumars coming in, and we
have some players either under contract not under contract, you
have draft picks to come all that. How does Bruce
Brown sort of fit into that?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, I mean there aren't that many guys that are
not under contract, especially among the players that were profiling
in this series. There's only three guys among the fourteen
that are not under a deal with the Pelicans for
next season.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, Bruce Brown is going to be a free agent.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
And so it's interesting because at this very early juncture
in the offseason, he's already been at a Denver playoff game.
He was there in twenty twenty three when they won
a championship, and it's not accurate to just say.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
He was there. I mean, he was a huge part
of that team.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
He averaged double figure points, he had some huge games
in the NBA Finals against Miami that year. But he
already he was at Game two of the Nuggets first
round series against the Clippers last week and actually did
an interview on Nuggets TV and talk to them about
how you know he I mean, I'm quoting here. He
said I miss playing here. He talked about how you know,
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he would really look forward to a reunion with the
Nuggets and resigning with them, although he also mentioned that
you don't know what's going to happen in free agency,
and obviously I think would be illegal for under the
terms of the contract or the CBA for the Nuggets
to even express interest in signing him until July when
free agency opens. But but yeah, I mean he definitely
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had It sounded like a guy who, you know, he
got paid really well to leave Denver and he kind
of had to take that contract he was offered. I
think it was like two years, forty six million for
a guy who had never made even close to that
kind of money. So in the summer of twenty twenty three,
he comes off of winning a championship with Denver. They're
at the championship parade, Michael Malone says, we want to
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bring Bruce E. B back, We want to make sure
that he's here forever. And I think Bruce Brown at
that time said, yeah, I'm all in on that. But
then it was like everybody knew that when free agency opened,
he was going to ge a big contract offer, and
he probably, if all things are equal, he probably would
have stayed in Denver. I mean, there was no reason
for him to leave other than financial reasons. So he's
had two years now where he's been on three different
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teams and been traded a couple times, and it hasn't
Obviously the team success hasn't been there for him. But
even the individual success, he's had some injuries. So to
make a long story short, it sounds like he's you know,
that's already the way he's leaning, even though the season
just ended.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
A couple weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I'll tell you one of the things that'll be interesting
to see is what happens in the offseason because Denver
Gym has a decision to May too. Right, do they
need to get a head coach?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yes, they do, and GM as well. Don't forget that.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and they it's I mean, it's
not breaking news. I mean, we'll see how the playoffs
turn out for them. Right now, they're in good position
at least in the first round against the Clippers up
three too.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
But I mean, I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Think it's a secret too that they need to add depth. So,
I mean, they're gonna have a bunch of important roster
decisions as well, and I'm sure they're also looking at
they have a bunch of guys under big money. They're
looking to fill in some spots with some maybe more
kind of what you might call affordable options.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, you said big money one of the big men.
As part of our broadcast team is mister Wes Johnson.
He's going to join us here to talk a little
bit about Bruce Brown and more importantly a little summer
fun he's going to be doing there, Jim, I don't know.
You know, he's part of the Big three. Can we
saw like a small three? Like you know six and
sounds kind of demeaning, right, we might have to work
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on the name of small But what kind of ratings
we would get? Vertically challenged three? Maybe I like that
there's people that want to tune in to see them play.
I don't know how many people want to see Yeah,
I don't think we can put it under We wouldn't
get much of an audience first maybe maybe maybe for
the blooper Real there's Wes Johnson. Our conversation on Bruce Brown.
Mister Wes Johnson, analyst four the Gulf Coast Sports and
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Entertainment Network. Who you know had an interesting year this
year because look, it didn't go the way you would
have liked it obviously, right, no postseason, not the win
totals that you did. That said you kind of find
out in the fire in the crucible, whatever different phrase you.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Want to use.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Who's who and some people rise right and you get
opportunities and stuff. So we're going to talk a little
bit about that with one player in Brandon Boston. But
we're going to talk about Bruce Brown, a guy that
came in later in the season in the Brandon Ingram trade.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
We all know and love him.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
With the cowboy hat, in his attitude and all that,
but what was his addition to this team here? Because
it didn't go immediately the way he would have liked
it exactly, But towards the end of the season we
saw why maybe teams covered a guy like him. Still
overall thoughts will get into specifics with him, but just
still over all thoughts about Bruce Brown.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
When he came in, I thought he was trying to
fit in and rightfually. So, but as you saw later
on towards the game start piling up for him, you
saw the player. You saw him be able to be
like a Swiss army knife, be able to play point guard,
be able to guard one through five, being able to score,
being able to play in the pocket. So seeing him
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grow throughout the season, that was something that for me
was like, this is why you had success throughout your
career on numerous teams on team that were making playoff pushes,
and they were able to put you on the floor
and just be a player. You didn't have a true position,
you didn't have a true i would say identity out there,
but they needed you on the floor because your skill
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set is able to take up voide for the players
on the floor. They can have you play the center
position and guard numerous positions. So when he came here,
you saw him being able to fit with a Zion,
fit with anybody that was on the floor because he
was able to space the floor, he can plan the dunker,
he can play point. So he's a player that you
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can look in today's NBA. That is one of those
things that's hybrid. You can put him on the floor.
He's going to be out there spacing the wing, he's
going to be in the picking rolls, or he can
be the one initiating the offense. And you need players
like that, and that's something that you wanted to have,
and he saw him slowly start develop that and be
comfortable playing his position when the game start piling up.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, from the outside looking in, it's kind of
difficult to fit fathom the idea of you know, he
played in Toronto the first few months of the season,
and all of a sudden he gets traded here and
has to kind of jump. He had a little bit
of time I think before he started playing games here,
but it wasn't long. I mean, this is something that
you went through though in terms of being traded mid season.
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Can you kind of give us a picture of some
of the reasons why when you get midstream, middle of
the season you get traded to another team, of some
of the challenges that you have to deal with and
some of the things that you're going to have to
figure out without much practice time, without much prep.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Yeah, it's just it's tough because for him, he's playing
numerous positions.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
He's playing the point.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Guard and he's maybe playing i would say not say
the post, but he's one initiating the screening action those
certain plays, having the IQ for that and having him
learn new plays on the fly and try to be
in the right place at the right time. That's something
that is unique. And you see like the chemistry trying
to be built with him through this team, but yet
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being traded mid season is tough because you pick up
the different chemistry stuff, the body language, the voice calls
anything that you're hear from the coaches, your players, your
teammates that you built throughout the first ladder of the season,
and you get traded. Now you got to build that again.
Now I have to learn it all over again on
the fly because the games are coming day after day.
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So you see the IQ level or certain players be
able to pick it up quicker and some people not
say struggle with it, but it's literally trying to get
them to settle in. But it's one of the things
that I was glad to see him do is really like,
you know what, I'm just going to be me and
go out there and this play, I'm going to use
my defense to really catapult me and to getting like
settled in. And he was able to do that towards
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the latter lott of games in the season.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I think it only happened to you, what like once
or twice where you're traded mid season in your career.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I mean, you think, does it help a little bit
if you're like.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
You've been in the league longer, maybe when you come
to a new team, you're at least a little bit
familiar with the personnel on that team from scouting against them,
playing against them, as opposed to maybe your rookie year
where you don't have as much familiarity.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I mean because you played against these guys, You've seen them,
you've had to guard them, you know the schemes of
the coaches and the team. And also, yeah, you've been
around the league and you know what the sense of
people trying to get out of like a seventy seven,
a drag screen, a double screen, they called it different,
and they may say it set a slip screen afterwards.
So you've seen this play in numerous games and numerous teams,
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so you know the call. You might not know the call,
but you know the action. So that helps. When you
played a couple of years in the league.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
You mentioned at the beginning the part about how he
seemed to play better as he got more games under
his belt. Here, he definitely struggled, for example, offensively at first.
Shooting was rough the first part of his tenure here.
But one of the things I'm doing with all of
the guests that we bring in is I'm gonna throw
two numbers at you.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Then you can tell.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Me which one you like better or which one you
want to talk about Okay, you can talk about both.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
If you want as well.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But the first number is for Brus Brown is seven
of thirteen, and that is he shot fifty percent or
better from the field in seven of the final thirteen
games he played for New Orleans before that, in his
first ten games, he only did that once.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's the first number.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
The second number is forty, which is the career playoff
games that Brown has been in. Half of those were
during Denver's twenty three championship, the first and only title
that the Nuggets have won. So which of those two
is the most interesting to you From those two numbers.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I will go with the first one, that's seven or thirteen.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
If you look at he had those struggles early on,
and I think that that's that trying to fit in.
He wasn't being hisself. And you look at his shots
on the second half of that when you saw you
said the seven to thirteen, he was playing in the pocket,
his floater was going, he was tacking the rim, and
he wasn't relying on just shooting the three. He was
playing the in between game. And I would take that
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Denver playoff series, those playoffs, those forty games. If you
look at his points and how he was scoring with Denver.
He was playing the pornber and he was attacking the
rim and he was getting wide up in shots or
playing in that pocket.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
So for him to be able to.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Get his mojo back towards the second half of that's
our season that they have that seven to thirteen. He
was playing within himself and that offense that had slowly
start to come along was just him being Bruce. Wasn't
him trying to fit in anymore. So, Yeah, that's more
of a vet for me to see that.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, he averaged twelve points a game in that postseason
over the twenty games he played. He had twenty one
points in Game four of the NBA Finals. So it's
like if people weren't watching closely, I mean, this dude
had some huge performances in that run and he was
a huge reason that the Nugget ended up winning the
title that year. He was not, you know, just kind
of a bit player that was playing a few minutes
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here there. He was very crucial to that championship. Lastly,
for me, you know, we talked about earlier the challenge
of being traded mid season and now going forward, I'm
sure you experienced this in your career as well. So
going into next season, you know Bruce Brown is a
free agent. We're not going to speculate on that. But
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there's a new regime now, there's a new GM in place.
I'm sure you went through this into your career as well.
How do you how do you respond to that as
a player?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Is there apprehension?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Is there is there concern of like just for example,
this GM drafted me or this GM traded for me,
and now we have a new guy coming in that
doesn't have a connection to me.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Right, it's not you think about it, but it's something
that you really don't because your body of work that
you have done is there, is proven.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
He's proven player, he's been around.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
That's something for your agent to pick up on and
reach out and see what's where you're gonna go, where
you're gonna fall. Do you want to come back here
and have those conversations with the gym and the organization.
But I think for him, like I said, his body
of work is there. He's a champion. He actually was
a vital part of that championship. He's bounced around to
certain teams, but his skill set and his importance to teams,
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and his value is predicated on how he's able to
be able to impact the game throughout different ways. So
I think he has a place on a lot of
teams just because of how the NBA is now and
so for yeah, that's his agent, and like I said,
his body of work is proven.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Ster Wes Johnson has always appreciate the time and let's
see what takes place here. A Big three coming up soon.
We talked about it during the Joe Dumars presser. Jim,
I don't know if he needs, you know, somebody to
in boxing is a sparring partner. If you work out
with somebody to get you ready for basketball tournament season.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I don't know if we.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Would provide any assistance for you. Maybe two on one.
I don't want to pick on I hate to say it,
but I'm just saying, like, you know, you pick him
up at the top of the key and I'll buy no.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I thought you they were going to say, like, you
pick him up and bring him to the practice facility.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I think that's about all I qualified to do.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah there, When does that start with? Man?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It starts June fourteenth. Are you ready? Yes?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
I am yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited about it. I
get to compete, so yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Are you and Corey Brews team? Are you even compete
against Corey Broke?
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Compete against him?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Against him?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yes? That was by choice.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
He was saying I wanted me to play with him,
but I was like, no, I don't want to join.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, I want to play against He won the title
last year. That's what I want to Does he remind
you all of it?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah we won, we won.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I know that was the last year it was.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Did they have him miked up in the Big Three
because they need to?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
They definitely do. I love that.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Thank you for your time, Wes, and I appreciate it.
Thanks to West for stopping by. There as always a pleasure.
I am very interested in that. You know, we were
talking at lunch I think this week with a couple
of our colleagues. There's a handful, almost a half dozen helicans,
either players or coaches or broadcasters, not players, but former
players that are going to be involved in this summers
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Big Three, aren't there.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, Corey Brewer has been heavily involved in I'm trying
to remember Rose Monroe that's right. Is Jody Meek's playing it.
I'm not sure I'll have to get on that now
something or it might be playing out.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
But the point is it's a handful of you know,
Pell's representatives there will be following and keeping an eye on.
So yeah, good luck to Wes who clearly still looks
like he can go out there and play for sure.
So one of the things I want to get into
before we wrap up here is Western Conference Wednesday. Right, Yeah,
we're doing some bonus editions. I wasn't really planning on
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continuing this through the playoffs, but why not?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
What the heck? We enjoyed it now.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Normally when I look at what the Golden State Warriors
can do. As I said, we've talked about this before,
Steph Curry is one of those players you just you
love to watch as I've watched the series with the Rockets.
Though shockingly, Draymond Green has been involved in some center
of attention right in the middle. How do we say
I would way to review certain things, including a body
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check in the last game. Look, I don't know, man,
that's just that's just what comes with it.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It's interesting we heard that Houston's broadcast was very upset
during the game for where he had I forget at
this point, it's I forget the order of it. It
was like he had a flagrant fowl and then he
had a technical. And part of how they administered that
was so if you get two technicals, you get thrown
out of the game. If you get two flagrants, you
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get thrown on a game. So if you give them
one of each, he gets to stay in the game.
And but I've been the reason I bring up Houston's
broadcast is it's I feel like at this point we
could have like a support group for Western Conference teams
that are dealing with the the Draymond problem, which is
you know, I remember back when I saw the game
the other night against the Rockets that the Warriors played,
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it reminded me. In March twenty three, there was a
game where Draymond and Herb Jones of all people, got
into a couple scraps where Draymond accidentally.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Kicked him in the head a couple of times, stomped
on him, rolled over him.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well momentum, yeah, I mean, it's amazing that a world
class athlete has such difficulty controlling his limbs.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The way.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
So Isaac Newton thought of Draymond Green those theater.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right, momentum and gravity, all that different stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah exactly, but but yeah, I just I just feel
like it's I mean, it's just frustrating because it's it's
funny too, because I remember back from that March twenty
twenty three game that I referenced where he kicked herb.
He had a couple other incidents, and I remember during
the game, after his third or fourth incident, I tweeted,
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there's no way Draymond Green can stay in the game.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Guess what, gus I was wrong.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
He stayed in the game, and in the game the
other night, to Game four against the Rockets, I remember
Reggie Miller at one point said after his first technical,
He's like, all right, you know, Draymond, you gotta be
careful now, you gotta watch Guess what, No, he doesn't.
He's got an invincible force field around him. I heard
somebody I forget who said this. I wish I could
remember who said it said that after he gets a technical.
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It might have been Zach Lowe said, after he gets
a technical foul, he becomes like a superhero that is
invincible and has no has like these powers that he
can deflect anything from him.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So it was funny.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I saw a lot of people tweeting in response to
Reggie Miller saying that on the broadcast too. People are like, no, no, no, no, Reggie,
you don't understand. You got it exactly wrong. Once he
gets his technical, he can do whatever he wants. It's
not that he has to be careful. It's that he
he doesn't have to be careful at all, because it
feels like the length that he has to go to
to get thrown out of the game is unbelievable by
no means. Amy the only person saying this too. It's
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not like you're going to be like, oh, Jim, what
are you talking about. It's like everyone everyone has said
this a million times that they can't believe some of
the stuff that he does. It's like there's a different
enforcement of him than there other players. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
What's crazy to me too, is you know, I'm trying
to think of some other players. I've had instances where
the official and this player just don't get along. Are
you almost chuck?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
This officials referee like Chris Paul Scott Foster's kind of
a famous duel back and forth. I can get like
that element of it because they're drawing, right, sometimes things
get personal toal don't want that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Like the human beings.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
They do not want to be shown up right. They
don't want to be yelled at. You don't want to
be cussed out. They don't want to become the story
either the league. Hell's you please, don't everything I just said.
Those exactly what he does to them, right, He puts
them in and he.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Puts them in a terrible position where it's like they
don't they don't want to throw him out because they
don't want to affect the game and they don't want
to become part of the story on like all of
the news shows in the highlights.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
You think it's because of that finals game when they
threw him out against the Cavs. It's possible, I think
the Warriors win that series.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Mean that's possible that that's part of it. But it's just,
I mean, it's just hard to it's hard to fathom.
It just feels like the league is getting bullied by
him and the referees are getting bullied by him constantly.
It's like he does there's games where he does six
or seven things that would get any other player kicked
out on the second time that they did something like
that of a game.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
No doubt, Western Conference Wednesday, the Draymond Green addition.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
You know, also we could briefly, real briefly talk about
Game five Lakers Timberwolves.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I mean, I'm so interested to see tonight.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You mean what happens with so exciting?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, I mean depending on we'll see if I'm excited
at eleven thirty pm or so.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But yeah, not that.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
We can bet, right, We're not allowed to do that
over here, but I would put your money, my money,
grafts money, j D's money, Aaron's money, college. I'm scared
where you're No way Lebron will be scoreless in the
fourth quarter? Oh okay, would you agree with me on that?
How surprising was that? Look, that was one of the
big storylines. You substitutions in the fourth quarter all starters
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and Lebron did not score.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah, that was crazy. I mean he made he did
make some good defensive plays. He had some athletic blocks.
But it's like, at a certain point, I don't know
how much you can ask five guys to play the
entire half to still have the same energy at the
end of those twenty four minutes, says they did at
the beginning. So I mean that's another thing that'll be
interesting to watch tonight too. How does JJ Reddick handle
(22:12):
his substitutions and his rotations, especially if they get down
where it's like you, I mean game four, he treated
as though we can't lose this game. I mean tonight,
you literally can't lose this game or your season's over.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No doubt about it. That is Jim I can offer
Pelicans dot com again. If you missed any of our
player profiles, including this one MS Johnson on Bruce Brown,
go to Pelicans dot com. Jim has an accompanying written
piece to go with these as well. As always, we
thank you for tuning us in for Jim, I'm gus.
Thank you you've been listening to the Pelicans podcast.
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