December 16, 2025 • 27 mins
New Orleans Pelicans center DeAndre Jordan returns to the Pelicans Podcast with Jim Eichenhofer and Gus Kattengell on Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2025, for another look at the veteran center's 18-year career in the NBA.
They'll also discuss the the recent back-to-back wins for the Pels, the return of Zion Williamson, plus Jim shares his player of the week, player to watch, and the trending numbers that will shape this week’s matchups on the Pelicans schedule.
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Hello everyone, and welcome to the New Orleans Pelicans
Podcast, the official podcast ofyour New Orleans Pelicans.
I'm Gus Kattengall along with Mr. Jim Ikenhoff for
pelicans.com. And I don't know if you can
tell, but we're in a good mood. Why?
Well, the Pelicans have gone 2 and one since we last saw you,
Jim. Let's just start there.
We got a lot to get into. Plus Part 2 of DeAndre Jordan
joining us, and we'll talk a little bit more about his career
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and him, you know, really being an influence in a big voice on
this team. But man, 2 and one is 2 and 1.
Two big wins for this team. You know, it feels like going
back a couple weeks that we've seen them play better.
Some of the 30 point losses thatthey had at the beginning of the
season, it feels like those havegone away.
There's been so many more nightswhere even if they didn't win,
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you were OK with the performanceand the the effort and a lot of
elements of of the performance. But now that they're actually
getting wins, it does feel really good.
Not only were they two and one this past week over the seven
days, but the one loss that theyhad was a three-point loss to
the Spurs, who as we know now are in the NBA Cup Finals and
just knocked off OKC and did their long winning streak.
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So it's, it's been a really encouraging stretch the record.
Obviously they still need to addmore wins to that to get back to
closer to 500. But it's been, it's been
positive lately for sure. And it's been, I think,
gratifying, satisfying for the players to get those wins.
Yeah, and I think one of the things that the team had
mentioned and interim head coachJames Borrego has been
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mentioning as well, Jim, as to why the team's been playing a
little bit better as of late andhas led to wins practice time.
They've actually gotten to practice continuity.
You've had lineups working together, even Bryce Mcgowan's
being in a starting lineup and those guys doing that and then
working on certain aspects of their game.
You mentioned that Spurs game was a lost disparity on the
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three-point shooting, but franchise records and points in
the paint and some of these winshere as well.
And in that win at Chicago, you you saw lots of threes being
attempted, points in the paint continuity.
We'll get into some more playersbeing available, but I think
those are some reasons why the Pels have looked better the last
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couple. Of games, yeah.
And I think to add to I mean, all those things are definitely
true, but I think the defense has been a little bit better as
well. I mean, to go from, you know,
near the bottom of the stats defensively to even if you're
20th in defense, I think that's a big improvement from what it's
been. And we've seen there's a million
different stats and different pieces of evidence that show how
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much better the offense has beenin the recent weeks.
So you don't have to be the bestteam in defensively in the NBA
to get some of these wins, but you can't be near the bottom and
expect to get to get results. So the fact that they've been
better defensively, they only gave up 104 points against
Chicago. And you combine that with the
way the offense has been. I I really like the fact that
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they've had some games recently where the offense has been the
reason that they won, and then they've had some other games
where the offense wasn't elite, the Chicago game being the best
example of that, and they still were able to win.
You need to follow him on Twitter because after the game
yesterday I thought you put out something really good.
You didn't give up 30 points. To the.
Quarters and I know coach Borrego was touching on his
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goals 25 or less. So it's around that ballpark and
that that'll get you a chance for a win.
Another pleasant surprise in Chicago.
And I say pleasant because it was ahead of schedule.
Zion Williamson, we we see him warming up.
We had heard rumblings that maybe he could be ready to play.
He plays. He came off the bench and
obviously the ice rink and in the, you know, thing was for the
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Blackhawks was still set up. So I called it the locky, the
the hockey line change. It was so interesting seeing
Zion Jordan Poole, Jose Alvaradocoming in on a line shift like
that. But what do you make out of
Zion's minutes, man? He led the team in scoring at
halftime with 11 points. Yeah.
I thought he looked very good and it was funny.
I had to look this up because I couldn't remember.
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Has there ever been a time wherehe came off the bench?
I mean, there's they've used himin a lot of different ways.
There's been stretches where they had him in minute bursts in
the bubble, for example. They've had times where, you
know, he's been sitting out backto backs and then brought him
back from injury multiple times.But yeah, that was the first
time in 225 career games that hecame off the bench.
And I, I at least in the initialusage of it, I thought it was a
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really interesting look that you're presenting to some of
these other teams. Yeah, until you point you had
Bryce Mcgowan's in there who'd seen some games as a starter.
He's also part of that second unit.
I think what's interesting too is, and I'm not getting caught
up into the the starting or, youknow, bench thing because he
closed out the game. So you bring him in late, little
later than starting the game, but he closed out the game and
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had that amazing alley oop, you know, from Jeremiah Fears to,
you know, be the the dagger, as the graph likes to call it.
Yeah. And it it's interesting.
I mean, as we record this on Monday morning, we don't know if
they're going to stick with this.
We don't know, you know, maybe they stick with it for a little
while and then they go back to the the setup that they had
before. But I mean, to me, this is one
thing that James Borrego commented about kind of after
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the game Sunday night too, was, I mean, they've tried a bunch of
different things to keep his eyeon healthy.
They've tried, you know, having him not play back to backs,
having him play back to backs. Maybe this is something that
that will work. Maybe this is bringing him off
the bench, especially if you're going to keep his minutes down
to a certain level. To me it is, it does get a
little awkward, a little clunky if you have a player on a minute
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restriction, say 25 or less and you're trying to start them.
Because sometimes if that's the case, you kind of there's like a
long stretch. You might, he might play the
first 7 or 8 minutes of the game, then he has to sit for a
long time, then he might play the first 6-7 minutes of the
third quarter. It's just hard to kind of manage
that in the scope of a 48 minutegame.
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But I mean, maybe this is something that that maybe
they're on to something with this that if you have him, you
know, we talked about this a lotlast season that they had him
under 30 minutes and it seemed like that was effective and it.
Worked. So if that if that number is
lower than that, maybe the way that you handle it best is to
bring him off the bench. And I mean, I know there's a lot
of opponents that are like, we don't necessarily want to see a
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six man like like him with the capabilities that he has.
So got another two weeks in the month of December and in
January, February, March and some of April.
So still a lot of basketball to get to.
That said, we always love to do the beginning of the week with
little player to watch Player ofthe week and then some training
numbers on the upcoming matchup.So, Jim, let's start with the
Player of the Week. Yeah, I'm going to go with Trey
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Murphy. He averaged 25.3 points per
game. He averaged 6.3 rebounds.
He mentioned this recently that he would like to be shooting
threes a little bit better. I think actually he talked to
you guys about that on the radiobroadcast post game in his walk
off interview. He was 5 for 15 last week on
threes which is only 33% below his standard.
One thing that I think is interesting about him his season
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overall that I didn't realize until recently.
He's actually tied for 6th in the NBA in steals per game at
1.7. His career high in that category
I think was 1.11 point 2. So I mean, he's made a big jump
in that category in that area ofthe game.
I think defensively he's he's definitely gotten better and we
see just the the tools that he has.
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He's a big dude, He's athletic, he's got long arms.
So I mean, it's been, it's been a positive to see him make that
impact on the defensive. Yeah, no doubt.
And again, he's a player that atthe beginning of the season
said, hey, I want to be an All Star player.
In order to do that, you need toplay defense, to play offense,
you need to help your team like when they don't have the
players. He's been able to do that a lot.
All right, player to watch coming up.
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Yeah. I mean, I think the good thing
right now is there's a bunch of different options in this
category that I could have gone with.
I mean. You have a whole roster.
Right, right. That too.
But even that, just guys playingwell, guys that have done some
really interesting things on thecourt lately.
Jeremiah Fears, I think, has hada really good stretch.
But I went with Jordan Poole. He's been back for just the two
games from his injury. He's averaged 19 points in only
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26 1/2 minutes per game. And those two and the Pelicans
have actually won the last threetimes that he's played.
So I mean, we're looking for positive stats that you can
point to and say, OK, this guy'smaking an impact on winning and
losing. They won the last game that he
played in before the injury against Charlotte, and now they
have the win against Portland and Chicago.
So I mean, I think that tells gives you a little taste of how
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much he can help and. He brings that energy to as well
into your .1 of the comments I made when Zion got in there
immediately, three Bulls jerseysI'm like, I can't sometimes.
You got shielded, you know, fromCoach Borrego.
I'm like, I don't need to know where Z is 3 Bulls jerseys in
one area. That's where Zion goes there
clogging the paint. And obviously I'm not a
mathematician, but if three are in one area, Jordan Poole's
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going to have some space to go find a, a place in the ark to
shoot the three. So to your point is be
interesting. Yeah, I mean, I, I,
unfortunately those two guys haven't gotten a chance to play
together very much. But I mean it, it will be
interesting to see what they cando.
And I mean, the numbers from thebench lately points wise have
been incredible. So if they can keep that up, I
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think maybe we'll start to see them string together even more
wins than what they've had all. Right, by the next time we chat
with you, the pals would have taken on the Rockets, the
Pacers, and The Mavericks. So give me some trending numbers
for those 3 matchups. OK, Gus, for Houston, the
trending number is 41.5, and that is their offensive
rebounding percentage. That's one of the best offensive
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rebounding percentages in the NBA in the last 20-30 years,
honestly. I mean, if you look at some of
the lineups that they put on thecourt with Steven Adams and some
of their Shangoon, I mean, they're to be able to collect
more than four out of every ten of your own missed shots is
something that we don't see veryoften.
I mean, it's crucial for the Pelicans.
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One thing that's encouraging forNew Orleans is the last three
weeks, New Orleans is 10th in rebounding percentage overall in
14th in defensive rebounding percentage.
If you look at the way that theystarted the season, those are
huge improvements. So not only are we seeing the
offense has played a lot better the last few weeks, the defense
has been probably what I would say incrementally better, but
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the rebounding also has improved.
So, I mean, you Add all that stuff up together and I mean, we
shouldn't be that surprised thatthey're getting wins.
Yeah, no doubt. All right.
What about the Pacers? The Pacers, the number for
trending number for them is 16 and that is they've used already
used 16 different starting lineups.
Wow. The Pelicans have used 15, so
they're not that far ahead of itof New Orleans in that category.
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I think one of the for people who watch the Pacers last season
and had that incredible run to the Finals, obviously Tyrese
Halliburton's out for the season.
Aaron Nesmith is out right now and I don't think he's going to
be back anytime soon. Those are two of the guys that
in some of their miraculous comebacks in the fourth quarter
made a bunch of big threes. They, I remember in particular,
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they had a game, it's the Knickswere down by 15 with like 4
minutes left and both of those guys made a bunch of trays.
So it's just a totally differentPacers team than what we saw
last season. And their record reflects that,
unfortunately for them. So I mean, with, again, the
state that they're in right now,which is similar, actually more
extreme than some of the teams that the Pelicans have played
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lately, it's hopefully a chance for the Pelicans to get into the
win call. And finally, a team that I feel
like we've played 15 times already the season the Dallas
Mavericks. We know all about this team.
What interesting trending numbercan.
You give me the trending number for them is five and one and
that is their record in their last six games as we head into
Monday. They were 5 and 15 to start the
season. So it's it's kind of a very neat
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kind of comparison. Started the season 5 and 15.
Lately they've gone 5:00 and 1:00.
One of the key guys that has been part of their turn around
is on a two way contract. Ryan Nemhart, who's the brother
of a Pacers guard. Rookie guy has come in.
They move Cooper flag out of point guard, moved him kind of
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more to his natural position. He just seems a lot more
comfortable. So The Mavericks have played so
much better than than they did earlier in the season, as you
mentioned. I mean, the Pelicans have
already played them twice, but both of those were in Dallas.
So I'm looking forward to getting a chance to play them
here and hopefully take advantage of the home homecourt.
I think it was it was it was an exciting win the first time that
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the team went to Dallas. The second game was one that
they could have won as well. Unfortunately, our old friend
Najee Marshall made a three in ain a crucial spot.
But those two games were really good games.
I mean, you were there in personfor both of them.
So we we, it could be another kind of dramatic game that comes
out of the end. But hopefully the Pelicans play
a little bit better and they play the way that they have
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been. Maybe they can win and it won't
come down to the last shot of the.
Game. Yeah, it's interesting, both
teams playing better than the last time they met so let's see
what takes place there. Well we really enjoyed DeAndre
Jordan when he sat down with us so much so we made it a two-part
series with him. So now here's our conversation
with DeAndre a little bit more on what has gotten him to 18
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years now in the NBA. Enjoy 18 years in a league when
when you look back at it just overall in its entirety, what
stands out to the most hard hardbecause I mean, I was there in
Denver when you went back and obviously you love there won a
championship there the Clipper days.
I know he can't wait to ask you a little bit about that here a
little bit. And so I I don't know, man, when
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you look back at it, what standsout?
Is it a period of time? Was it all the collective?
I think it's a collective man. My first ten years in LA were
amazing. And then I had some stops in
between. My time in Brooklyn playing with
my friends was was great. And then, you know, going to
Denver, being there for three seasons, winning our first year
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was was great. And though that brotherhood and
we'll share forever is amazing. And then all the other
individual accolades in between were were great.
So I think it's just a journey in itself for me that was that
is so memorable and I'm still building memories now.
So I think it's just all those things that have brought me to
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this point in my career. You mentioned the the Denver
championship. I mean, are there certain things
that you look at with that? I mean, you were on very
successful teams before that as well.
So it's not like that was the first time you were on a team
that accomplished a lot. But to be able to win a title
with that team, are there certain traits that that team
had? Maybe the way the locker room
was just general stuff that you want to try to apply to every
other team that you play for, things that you want to see,
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that you want to try to build toward.
Yeah. Well, I think that those teams,
especially that first team that we had, that we were just so
connected, man. We had a mixture of young guys,
guys in their prime, vets that were just so selfless.
You know, we had, we had one goal in mind and that was to win
a championship. And I think once everybody is on
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that same wavelength and we havethe same goal in our minds and
it just it creates a stronger manifestation, you know, and
that we obviously we have to putthe work in.
And it helps when you have Nicole Yokis, Jamal Murray,
Aaron Gordon and Michael Porter junior guys like that.
And then you had other role guyswho were also available to to do
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what they needed to do. But I think just the camaraderie
and the the synergy we had on and off the floor really, really
helped that. It seemed like that team just
had, I mean, you've probably said this about every
championship team, but they had like the pieces all fit
together. It seemed like the roles were so
perfect and everybody knew exactly like, this is what I do
and I'm going to do it. Well, you mentioned Jokic.
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We talked about obviously Derek Queen earlier and I'm not sure
if you had heard this, but when he was in college, his teammates
called him Baby Joker because ofsome of the similarities.
So I felt like we had we had to ask you about just some of the
having played with both of thoseguys.
If there's certain things, not trying to say he's Derek, Queen
is already at that level player,but just.
Don't. Don't, right?
I'm not. Trying to say that.
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Don't put that much pressure on him this early, you know?
But just certain things about the way that they play on the
court that you see that are. Oh no, you definitely see it for
sure, like like the way DQ gets a rebound and brings it up and
everybody kind of flares out to their positions and let them
kind of play make in a delay auto kind of situation.
Nicola does that as well. The way that DQ can kind of play
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make from all three levels of the floor and his just variety
of his skill set is it's it's crazy.
Now there are some similarities between those two guys and I'm
sure like Nicole is somebody that he watches and and I'm sure
wants to emulate. I mean, I I would hope so.
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Like he's a three time MVP and all these different things.
So you you see flashes and I'm I'm, I'm just excited for DQ's
growth. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, is there you see some of
the similarities in terms of like it's like an off timing
kind of game, like an offbeat, like it's, it's just a different
pace that yeah. Yeah, they they don't, I would
say both of those guys don't letyou speed them up.
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They're going to play at their pace the entire time.
They're not rushed really. And if and if you see rushing
out of DQ, it's only because he's young, you know, so he
wants to get to his move quick at times, but more times than
not, from what I've seen, he's extremely patient and he has the
footwork. He's not rushed into certain
shots. He has touch with both hands,
which I love to see. And yeah, he, like I said, he's
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extremely talented man. And he's so young and once he
put it together and his body comes a little bit better and
he, I don't know, he's just, it's exciting because he has
such a, a high ceiling. So yeah, I'm excited to see
that. Yeah.
I mean, I think people watching can and listening to this can
tell some of the reasons why having DeAndre on the team is
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valuable in terms of the mentorship that you can provide
for some of the younger big guyson the team.
I wanted to ask you too about Carlo Mackovic and Eve Meesey in
terms of these guys are in theirsecond year.
So we're super early in the process, but as a guy that has
obviously a ton of experience playing in the same position,
what are some of the things thatyou focus on with those two guys
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and some of the things that you're you tell them in terms of
things that they can keep improving?
Yeah. I mean, well, like I said, they
are totally different and I can kind of relate to those guys
because like like DQ, like we didn't get a lot, well, I didn't
get a lot of plays ran for me and I wasn't, you know, I hubbed
a little bit of the offense, butlike DQ is like a big part of
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our offense. So for Carlo and Eve out, I feel
like I relate to those guys because of our energy level,
like versatile bigs, able to switch at one time my career
switched pick and rolls and run the floor and, you know, super
athletic. So those guys are are are
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similar but different because I feel like they both are just
extreme athletes, you know what I mean?
And they protect the rim, they dunk the basketball, they run
like gazelles. You know, it's cool to have a a
variety of digs on your team that can do different things and
they both have been great at times this year.
So and they are in the same unita lot time, a lot of times.
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So it's it's a it's a match up nightmare for those guys to be
out there together and I like watching them play so.
Chris Paul wasn't pushing for point, DJ.
No, no, no, only in like dire situations.
That brings up, we want, I feel like I have to ask you about the
2011 trade with the Clippers where Chris Paul went to to you
guys. And obviously for us from our
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standpoint, it was a huge moment.
It was kind of a turning point for the franchise.
It you could kind of divide the franchise history into pre Chris
Paul and then post Chris Paul. I mean honestly, unfortunately
it didn't turn out great for us in terms of the result of that
trade. You were on the other side of it
obviously, and benefited greatlyFrom what?
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What do you remember from, for example, from the day of that
trade? Do you have any?
Because it from our end, we werelike, if initially he was traded
to the Lakers, it got vetoed andthen he ended up with the
Clippers. But I mean, what do you remember
from that time? I remember Blake and I being
extremely excited. Sure.
We were able to play with the point guard, you know?
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Yeah. And we were like, man, we're
going to get some lobs. You crazy, you know?
And we were only thinking about dunks at that time because I'm
like, no, he's going to throw memore lives and he throws you for
sure. Like I'm going to get a
relationship with him. And, you know, but no, I think
that we were just looking at it from not even just like
scratching the surface, you know, we weren't looking at it
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like, oh, like now we're going to try to compete for
championships and we're going tomake the playoffs every year.
And CP came in and he instilled a, a winning environment with
that organization and with us asyounger players.
So I was really excited for him to, to be there.
And a lot of the things that I hear myself talking about now to
younger players were some of thethings that he was getting on us
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about or teaching us about. So I, I really appreciate my
time with CP. He's still one of my great
friends to this day, so I'm always rooting for him.
But our time with the Clippers was amazing and I learned so
much and being teammates with those guys for years was
amazing. Yeah, I mean, people, I know
people talked about this in the NBA and the media for a while
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that we're getting to the point where it's like people talk like
the only thing that matters is championships.
You got one with Denver, obviously.
But when you look back at that era with the Clippers, though,
do you take some satisfaction from like, people knew the
history of the Clippers and it wasn't great.
And if you look back at that period, it was like it's it was
turned them into a team that contended and was like
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successful. And I've heard somebody say a
stat the other day that unfortunately for them might get
broken this season and that theyhaven't had a losing season
longer than any franchise in theleague, an active streak.
So when you look back at that, Imean, how do you look at at
that, that time? I mean, I, I enjoy that time.
I think, like you said, like thenumbers speak for themselves,
you know, CP and Blake and myself, and we had a lot of
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other teammates as well, but youknow, we were able to help
change the franchise's culture, I feel like.
And, you know, we had a lot of guys that came before us and
they definitely did what they were supposed to do when they
were there and they tried to change that culture.
And I think that we always give them the credit that they
deserve. However, I think that our group,
when we came in, we we took thatto another level and that's
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something that can be taken awayfrom our team.
And I thought that that was huge.
And what we did there was was great.
We didn't win a championship like you said.
However, I think that we did a lot of other great things there,
so I'm really proud of that. I'm.
Finding it interesting too, whenyou look back and kind of goes
back to my initial question withyou about how do you look back
at your 18 years. And I think it's interesting
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because as we go and talk about those teams, it almost feels
like bigs are back, right? And honestly, what I mean by
that is not only you talk about Jokage and everyone's talk about
Ace, you can have another one again this year, but I'm just
looking at the young season already at the Pels have played
and they're playing bigs after bigs after bigs.
When you see what Eddie means toMemphis, you know he sits down.
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Pels made a move. I mean, just see that, see how
important Derek Queen is. So this team stuff yet also
you've seen pace in three points.
You kind of had a little bit mixof both there with the Clippers,
right? I mean, you and and Blake you're
talking about those are bigs that played above the rim were
exciting, but the pace, the pushing of it.
But now there's also, you know, it went to a three-point
shooting a couple years ago and I still feel 3 is big, but I
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feel the bigs are back, man. How do you kind of view where
the league is right now? I mean it's all a carousel it
it'll come back around. When I first came in it was a
two big league and then it kind of got a guard or unit.
Then like you said, 3 pointers and you see a lot of teams that
I mean, everybody isn't doing itbecause they can't do it well.
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But there are some teams that play a too big lineup and they
are successful. I mean, you saw last year
Oklahoma City, they did it, theywon the championship.
Houston's doing it, Cleveland does it and a ton of other
teams, you know, we do it at that time.
So it's it's good to be able to to have that versatility in your
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units and and with your team. You know, we focused a ton on
some of the guys that are reallyrelatively new to the league in
terms of first and second year guys.
But I was curious to what your thoughts are on some of the guys
that are kind of in the middle 5th year or so of their career.
Just the core here between you know, Herb Jones, Jose Alvarado,
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Trey Murphy all came in in 2021.I think we have a question from
Trey actually. We do.
We have a question from his big fan, he says.
Who is your favorite Pelicans? Parent.
Oh, Trey's mom. What's?
The Trey asked that question, yeah.
Trey to. Ask Yeah, she's she's a
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basketball junkie. She knows everything, you know,
defenses, offenses, rotations, like I really enjoy talking the
game with her. She's amazing and like she, she
will call us out and I and I know, but it's, it's good
though, because you can tell like some people, but just Oh
well, this guy only had five points, but they don't watch the
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entire entire game. You know, she watches the game
every night. She's in the same seat.
So I just I, I really love that.I'm sure, I'm sure Trey gets it
a lot more than we do at home, But but she's, she's just an
amazing person and, and she really cares about our progress
and our success as a team. And so that's that.
That's really good to have around.
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I know you, you were playing in Denver, I think, when this
happened. But there was a a moment last
season, the season before, whereshe went to a press.
She came in and sat down in the press conference after the game
and Trey was like, say, 6 for eight on free throws, which for
anybody else is a decent night, but for him it was like a
disaster. That he missed 2 free.
Throws. So she came into the press
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conference afterward and took the microphone and asked him
about his missed free throws. I need to see that.
I got to see that. So, yeah, so she's definitely
very involved in the, even in the postgame medium press.
Conference, I really, I really enjoy her, man.
She's a, she's a, she knows the game.
And I, I respect the hell out ofher.
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So she's right. It's all about accountability,
man. As we wrap up here, man, take a
look at the camera Pells fans are watching.
Give us a message. Pells, man, stay with us, man.
It's been a journey. We're trending in the right
direction and just stay with us.It's going to be a long season,
but we're excited. Sounds good.
I'm sure you cosigned the fact that the start this week. 80
plus points in the paint man. I mean, that's.
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That's how you're doing it, man.And it's early in the week, too.
I love it. SD Andre Jordan, thank you for
your time man. Appreciate it as.
Always appreciate something. Yeah, that's Mr. Jim.
I can offer from Gus Caddgill. Thank you for checking us out
here on the New Orleans PelicansPodcast.
Hello everyone, and welcome to the New Orleans Pelicans
Podcast, the official podcast ofyour New Orleans Pelicans.
I'm Gus Kattengall along with Mr. Jim Ikenhoff for
pelicans.com. And I don't know if you can
tell, but we're in a good mood. Why?
Well, the Pelicans have gone 2 and one since we last saw you,
Jim. Let's just start there.
We got a lot to get into. Plus Part 2 of DeAndre Jordan
joining us, and we'll talk a little bit more about his career
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and him, you know, really being an influence in a big voice on
this team. But man, 2 and one is 2 and 1.
Two big wins for this team. You know, it feels like going
back a couple weeks that we've seen them play better.
Some of the 30 point losses thatthey had at the beginning of the
season, it feels like those havegone away.
There's been so many more nightswhere even if they didn't win,
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you were OK with the performanceand the the effort and a lot of
elements of of the performance. But now that they're actually
getting wins, it does feel really good.
Not only were they two and one this past week over the seven
days, but the one loss that theyhad was a three-point loss to
the Spurs, who as we know now are in the NBA Cup Finals and
just knocked off OKC and did their long winning streak.
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So it's, it's been a really encouraging stretch the record.
Obviously they still need to addmore wins to that to get back to
closer to 500. But it's been, it's been
positive lately for sure. And it's been, I think,
gratifying, satisfying for the players to get those wins.
Yeah, and I think one of the things that the team had
mentioned and interim head coachJames Borrego has been
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mentioning as well, Jim, as to why the team's been playing a
little bit better as of late andhas led to wins practice time.
They've actually gotten to practice continuity.
You've had lineups working together, even Bryce Mcgowan's
being in a starting lineup and those guys doing that and then
working on certain aspects of their game.
You mentioned that Spurs game was a lost disparity on the
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three-point shooting, but franchise records and points in
the paint and some of these winshere as well.
And in that win at Chicago, you you saw lots of threes being
attempted, points in the paint continuity.
We'll get into some more playersbeing available, but I think
those are some reasons why the Pels have looked better the last
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couple. Of games, yeah.
And I think to add to I mean, all those things are definitely
true, but I think the defense has been a little bit better as
well. I mean, to go from, you know,
near the bottom of the stats defensively to even if you're
20th in defense, I think that's a big improvement from what it's
been. And we've seen there's a million
different stats and different pieces of evidence that show how
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much better the offense has beenin the recent weeks.
So you don't have to be the bestteam in defensively in the NBA
to get some of these wins, but you can't be near the bottom and
expect to get to get results. So the fact that they've been
better defensively, they only gave up 104 points against
Chicago. And you combine that with the
way the offense has been. I I really like the fact that
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they've had some games recently where the offense has been the
reason that they won, and then they've had some other games
where the offense wasn't elite, the Chicago game being the best
example of that, and they still were able to win.
You need to follow him on Twitter because after the game
yesterday I thought you put out something really good.
You didn't give up 30 points. To the.
Quarters and I know coach Borrego was touching on his
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goals 25 or less. So it's around that ballpark and
that that'll get you a chance for a win.
Another pleasant surprise in Chicago.
And I say pleasant because it was ahead of schedule.
Zion Williamson, we we see him warming up.
We had heard rumblings that maybe he could be ready to play.
He plays. He came off the bench and
obviously the ice rink and in the, you know, thing was for the
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Blackhawks was still set up. So I called it the locky, the
the hockey line change. It was so interesting seeing
Zion Jordan Poole, Jose Alvaradocoming in on a line shift like
that. But what do you make out of
Zion's minutes, man? He led the team in scoring at
halftime with 11 points. Yeah.
I thought he looked very good and it was funny.
I had to look this up because I couldn't remember.
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Has there ever been a time wherehe came off the bench?
I mean, there's they've used himin a lot of different ways.
There's been stretches where they had him in minute bursts in
the bubble, for example. They've had times where, you
know, he's been sitting out backto backs and then brought him
back from injury multiple times.But yeah, that was the first
time in 225 career games that hecame off the bench.
And I, I at least in the initialusage of it, I thought it was a
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really interesting look that you're presenting to some of
these other teams. Yeah, until you point you had
Bryce Mcgowan's in there who'd seen some games as a starter.
He's also part of that second unit.
I think what's interesting too is, and I'm not getting caught
up into the the starting or, youknow, bench thing because he
closed out the game. So you bring him in late, little
later than starting the game, but he closed out the game and
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had that amazing alley oop, you know, from Jeremiah Fears to,
you know, be the the dagger, as the graph likes to call it.
Yeah. And it it's interesting.
I mean, as we record this on Monday morning, we don't know if
they're going to stick with this.
We don't know, you know, maybe they stick with it for a little
while and then they go back to the the setup that they had
before. But I mean, to me, this is one
thing that James Borrego commented about kind of after
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the game Sunday night too, was, I mean, they've tried a bunch of
different things to keep his eyeon healthy.
They've tried, you know, having him not play back to backs,
having him play back to backs. Maybe this is something that
that will work. Maybe this is bringing him off
the bench, especially if you're going to keep his minutes down
to a certain level. To me it is, it does get a
little awkward, a little clunky if you have a player on a minute
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restriction, say 25 or less and you're trying to start them.
Because sometimes if that's the case, you kind of there's like a
long stretch. You might, he might play the
first 7 or 8 minutes of the game, then he has to sit for a
long time, then he might play the first 6-7 minutes of the
third quarter. It's just hard to kind of manage
that in the scope of a 48 minutegame.
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But I mean, maybe this is something that that maybe
they're on to something with this that if you have him, you
know, we talked about this a lotlast season that they had him
under 30 minutes and it seemed like that was effective and it.
Worked. So if that if that number is
lower than that, maybe the way that you handle it best is to
bring him off the bench. And I mean, I know there's a lot
of opponents that are like, we don't necessarily want to see a
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six man like like him with the capabilities that he has.
So got another two weeks in the month of December and in
January, February, March and some of April.
So still a lot of basketball to get to.
That said, we always love to do the beginning of the week with
little player to watch Player ofthe week and then some training
numbers on the upcoming matchup.So, Jim, let's start with the
Player of the Week. Yeah, I'm going to go with Trey
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Murphy. He averaged 25.3 points per
game. He averaged 6.3 rebounds.
He mentioned this recently that he would like to be shooting
threes a little bit better. I think actually he talked to
you guys about that on the radiobroadcast post game in his walk
off interview. He was 5 for 15 last week on
threes which is only 33% below his standard.
One thing that I think is interesting about him his season
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overall that I didn't realize until recently.
He's actually tied for 6th in the NBA in steals per game at
1.7. His career high in that category
I think was 1.11 point 2. So I mean, he's made a big jump
in that category in that area ofthe game.
I think defensively he's he's definitely gotten better and we
see just the the tools that he has.
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He's a big dude, He's athletic, he's got long arms.
So I mean, it's been, it's been a positive to see him make that
impact on the defensive. Yeah, no doubt.
And again, he's a player that atthe beginning of the season
said, hey, I want to be an All Star player.
In order to do that, you need toplay defense, to play offense,
you need to help your team like when they don't have the
players. He's been able to do that a lot.
All right, player to watch coming up.
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Yeah. I mean, I think the good thing
right now is there's a bunch of different options in this
category that I could have gone with.
I mean. You have a whole roster.
Right, right. That too.
But even that, just guys playingwell, guys that have done some
really interesting things on thecourt lately.
Jeremiah Fears, I think, has hada really good stretch.
But I went with Jordan Poole. He's been back for just the two
games from his injury. He's averaged 19 points in only
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26 1/2 minutes per game. And those two and the Pelicans
have actually won the last threetimes that he's played.
So I mean, we're looking for positive stats that you can
point to and say, OK, this guy'smaking an impact on winning and
losing. They won the last game that he
played in before the injury against Charlotte, and now they
have the win against Portland and Chicago.
So I mean, I think that tells gives you a little taste of how
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much he can help and. He brings that energy to as well
into your .1 of the comments I made when Zion got in there
immediately, three Bulls jerseysI'm like, I can't sometimes.
You got shielded, you know, fromCoach Borrego.
I'm like, I don't need to know where Z is 3 Bulls jerseys in
one area. That's where Zion goes there
clogging the paint. And obviously I'm not a
mathematician, but if three are in one area, Jordan Poole's
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going to have some space to go find a, a place in the ark to
shoot the three. So to your point is be
interesting. Yeah, I mean, I, I,
unfortunately those two guys haven't gotten a chance to play
together very much. But I mean it, it will be
interesting to see what they cando.
And I mean, the numbers from thebench lately points wise have
been incredible. So if they can keep that up, I
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think maybe we'll start to see them string together even more
wins than what they've had all. Right, by the next time we chat
with you, the pals would have taken on the Rockets, the
Pacers, and The Mavericks. So give me some trending numbers
for those 3 matchups. OK, Gus, for Houston, the
trending number is 41.5, and that is their offensive
rebounding percentage. That's one of the best offensive
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rebounding percentages in the NBA in the last 20-30 years,
honestly. I mean, if you look at some of
the lineups that they put on thecourt with Steven Adams and some
of their Shangoon, I mean, they're to be able to collect
more than four out of every ten of your own missed shots is
something that we don't see veryoften.
I mean, it's crucial for the Pelicans.
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One thing that's encouraging forNew Orleans is the last three
weeks, New Orleans is 10th in rebounding percentage overall in
14th in defensive rebounding percentage.
If you look at the way that theystarted the season, those are
huge improvements. So not only are we seeing the
offense has played a lot better the last few weeks, the defense
has been probably what I would say incrementally better, but
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the rebounding also has improved.
So, I mean, you Add all that stuff up together and I mean, we
shouldn't be that surprised thatthey're getting wins.
Yeah, no doubt. All right.
What about the Pacers? The Pacers, the number for
trending number for them is 16 and that is they've used already
used 16 different starting lineups.
Wow. The Pelicans have used 15, so
they're not that far ahead of itof New Orleans in that category.
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I think one of the for people who watch the Pacers last season
and had that incredible run to the Finals, obviously Tyrese
Halliburton's out for the season.
Aaron Nesmith is out right now and I don't think he's going to
be back anytime soon. Those are two of the guys that
in some of their miraculous comebacks in the fourth quarter
made a bunch of big threes. They, I remember in particular,
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they had a game, it's the Knickswere down by 15 with like 4
minutes left and both of those guys made a bunch of trays.
So it's just a totally differentPacers team than what we saw
last season. And their record reflects that,
unfortunately for them. So I mean, with, again, the
state that they're in right now,which is similar, actually more
extreme than some of the teams that the Pelicans have played
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lately, it's hopefully a chance for the Pelicans to get into the
win call. And finally, a team that I feel
like we've played 15 times already the season the Dallas
Mavericks. We know all about this team.
What interesting trending numbercan.
You give me the trending number for them is five and one and
that is their record in their last six games as we head into
Monday. They were 5 and 15 to start the
season. So it's it's kind of a very neat
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kind of comparison. Started the season 5 and 15.
Lately they've gone 5:00 and 1:00.
One of the key guys that has been part of their turn around
is on a two way contract. Ryan Nemhart, who's the brother
of a Pacers guard. Rookie guy has come in.
They move Cooper flag out of point guard, moved him kind of
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more to his natural position. He just seems a lot more
comfortable. So The Mavericks have played so
much better than than they did earlier in the season, as you
mentioned. I mean, the Pelicans have
already played them twice, but both of those were in Dallas.
So I'm looking forward to getting a chance to play them
here and hopefully take advantage of the home homecourt.
I think it was it was it was an exciting win the first time that
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the team went to Dallas. The second game was one that
they could have won as well. Unfortunately, our old friend
Najee Marshall made a three in ain a crucial spot.
But those two games were really good games.
I mean, you were there in personfor both of them.
So we we, it could be another kind of dramatic game that comes
out of the end. But hopefully the Pelicans play
a little bit better and they play the way that they have
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been. Maybe they can win and it won't
come down to the last shot of the.
Game. Yeah, it's interesting, both
teams playing better than the last time they met so let's see
what takes place there. Well we really enjoyed DeAndre
Jordan when he sat down with us so much so we made it a two-part
series with him. So now here's our conversation
with DeAndre a little bit more on what has gotten him to 18
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years now in the NBA. Enjoy 18 years in a league when
when you look back at it just overall in its entirety, what
stands out to the most hard hardbecause I mean, I was there in
Denver when you went back and obviously you love there won a
championship there the Clipper days.
I know he can't wait to ask you a little bit about that here a
little bit. And so I I don't know, man, when
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you look back at it, what standsout?
Is it a period of time? Was it all the collective?
I think it's a collective man. My first ten years in LA were
amazing. And then I had some stops in
between. My time in Brooklyn playing with
my friends was was great. And then, you know, going to
Denver, being there for three seasons, winning our first year
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was was great. And though that brotherhood and
we'll share forever is amazing. And then all the other
individual accolades in between were were great.
So I think it's just a journey in itself for me that was that
is so memorable and I'm still building memories now.
So I think it's just all those things that have brought me to
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this point in my career. You mentioned the the Denver
championship. I mean, are there certain things
that you look at with that? I mean, you were on very
successful teams before that as well.
So it's not like that was the first time you were on a team
that accomplished a lot. But to be able to win a title
with that team, are there certain traits that that team
had? Maybe the way the locker room
was just general stuff that you want to try to apply to every
other team that you play for, things that you want to see,
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that you want to try to build toward.
Yeah. Well, I think that those teams,
especially that first team that we had, that we were just so
connected, man. We had a mixture of young guys,
guys in their prime, vets that were just so selfless.
You know, we had, we had one goal in mind and that was to win
a championship. And I think once everybody is on
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that same wavelength and we havethe same goal in our minds and
it just it creates a stronger manifestation, you know, and
that we obviously we have to putthe work in.
And it helps when you have Nicole Yokis, Jamal Murray,
Aaron Gordon and Michael Porter junior guys like that.
And then you had other role guyswho were also available to to do
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what they needed to do. But I think just the camaraderie
and the the synergy we had on and off the floor really, really
helped that. It seemed like that team just
had, I mean, you've probably said this about every
championship team, but they had like the pieces all fit
together. It seemed like the roles were so
perfect and everybody knew exactly like, this is what I do
and I'm going to do it. Well, you mentioned Jokic.
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We talked about obviously Derek Queen earlier and I'm not sure
if you had heard this, but when he was in college, his teammates
called him Baby Joker because ofsome of the similarities.
So I felt like we had we had to ask you about just some of the
having played with both of thoseguys.
If there's certain things, not trying to say he's Derek, Queen
is already at that level player,but just.
Don't. Don't, right?
I'm not. Trying to say that.
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Don't put that much pressure on him this early, you know?
But just certain things about the way that they play on the
court that you see that are. Oh no, you definitely see it for
sure, like like the way DQ gets a rebound and brings it up and
everybody kind of flares out to their positions and let them
kind of play make in a delay auto kind of situation.
Nicola does that as well. The way that DQ can kind of play
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make from all three levels of the floor and his just variety
of his skill set is it's it's crazy.
Now there are some similarities between those two guys and I'm
sure like Nicole is somebody that he watches and and I'm sure
wants to emulate. I mean, I I would hope so.
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Like he's a three time MVP and all these different things.
So you you see flashes and I'm I'm, I'm just excited for DQ's
growth. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, is there you see some of
the similarities in terms of like it's like an off timing
kind of game, like an offbeat, like it's, it's just a different
pace that yeah. Yeah, they they don't, I would
say both of those guys don't letyou speed them up.
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They're going to play at their pace the entire time.
They're not rushed really. And if and if you see rushing
out of DQ, it's only because he's young, you know, so he
wants to get to his move quick at times, but more times than
not, from what I've seen, he's extremely patient and he has the
footwork. He's not rushed into certain
shots. He has touch with both hands,
which I love to see. And yeah, he, like I said, he's
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extremely talented man. And he's so young and once he
put it together and his body comes a little bit better and
he, I don't know, he's just, it's exciting because he has
such a, a high ceiling. So yeah, I'm excited to see
that. Yeah.
I mean, I think people watching can and listening to this can
tell some of the reasons why having DeAndre on the team is
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valuable in terms of the mentorship that you can provide
for some of the younger big guyson the team.
I wanted to ask you too about Carlo Mackovic and Eve Meesey in
terms of these guys are in theirsecond year.
So we're super early in the process, but as a guy that has
obviously a ton of experience playing in the same position,
what are some of the things thatyou focus on with those two guys
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and some of the things that you're you tell them in terms of
things that they can keep improving?
Yeah. I mean, well, like I said, they
are totally different and I can kind of relate to those guys
because like like DQ, like we didn't get a lot, well, I didn't
get a lot of plays ran for me and I wasn't, you know, I hubbed
a little bit of the offense, butlike DQ is like a big part of
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our offense. So for Carlo and Eve out, I feel
like I relate to those guys because of our energy level,
like versatile bigs, able to switch at one time my career
switched pick and rolls and run the floor and, you know, super
athletic. So those guys are are are
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similar but different because I feel like they both are just
extreme athletes, you know what I mean?
And they protect the rim, they dunk the basketball, they run
like gazelles. You know, it's cool to have a a
variety of digs on your team that can do different things and
they both have been great at times this year.
So and they are in the same unita lot time, a lot of times.
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So it's it's a it's a match up nightmare for those guys to be
out there together and I like watching them play so.
Chris Paul wasn't pushing for point, DJ.
No, no, no, only in like dire situations.
That brings up, we want, I feel like I have to ask you about the
2011 trade with the Clippers where Chris Paul went to to you
guys. And obviously for us from our
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standpoint, it was a huge moment.
It was kind of a turning point for the franchise.
It you could kind of divide the franchise history into pre Chris
Paul and then post Chris Paul. I mean honestly, unfortunately
it didn't turn out great for us in terms of the result of that
trade. You were on the other side of it
obviously, and benefited greatlyFrom what?
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What do you remember from, for example, from the day of that
trade? Do you have any?
Because it from our end, we werelike, if initially he was traded
to the Lakers, it got vetoed andthen he ended up with the
Clippers. But I mean, what do you remember
from that time? I remember Blake and I being
extremely excited. Sure.
We were able to play with the point guard, you know?
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Yeah. And we were like, man, we're
going to get some lobs. You crazy, you know?
And we were only thinking about dunks at that time because I'm
like, no, he's going to throw memore lives and he throws you for
sure. Like I'm going to get a
relationship with him. And, you know, but no, I think
that we were just looking at it from not even just like
scratching the surface, you know, we weren't looking at it
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like, oh, like now we're going to try to compete for
championships and we're going tomake the playoffs every year.
And CP came in and he instilled a, a winning environment with
that organization and with us asyounger players.
So I was really excited for him to, to be there.
And a lot of the things that I hear myself talking about now to
younger players were some of thethings that he was getting on us
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about or teaching us about. So I, I really appreciate my
time with CP. He's still one of my great
friends to this day, so I'm always rooting for him.
But our time with the Clippers was amazing and I learned so
much and being teammates with those guys for years was
amazing. Yeah, I mean, people, I know
people talked about this in the NBA and the media for a while
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that we're getting to the point where it's like people talk like
the only thing that matters is championships.
You got one with Denver, obviously.
But when you look back at that era with the Clippers, though,
do you take some satisfaction from like, people knew the
history of the Clippers and it wasn't great.
And if you look back at that period, it was like it's it was
turned them into a team that contended and was like
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successful. And I've heard somebody say a
stat the other day that unfortunately for them might get
broken this season and that theyhaven't had a losing season
longer than any franchise in theleague, an active streak.
So when you look back at that, Imean, how do you look at at
that, that time? I mean, I, I enjoy that time.
I think, like you said, like thenumbers speak for themselves,
you know, CP and Blake and myself, and we had a lot of
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other teammates as well, but youknow, we were able to help
change the franchise's culture, I feel like.
And, you know, we had a lot of guys that came before us and
they definitely did what they were supposed to do when they
were there and they tried to change that culture.
And I think that we always give them the credit that they
deserve. However, I think that our group,
when we came in, we we took thatto another level and that's
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something that can be taken awayfrom our team.
And I thought that that was huge.
And what we did there was was great.
We didn't win a championship like you said.
However, I think that we did a lot of other great things there,
so I'm really proud of that. I'm.
Finding it interesting too, whenyou look back and kind of goes
back to my initial question withyou about how do you look back
at your 18 years. And I think it's interesting
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because as we go and talk about those teams, it almost feels
like bigs are back, right? And honestly, what I mean by
that is not only you talk about Jokage and everyone's talk about
Ace, you can have another one again this year, but I'm just
looking at the young season already at the Pels have played
and they're playing bigs after bigs after bigs.
When you see what Eddie means toMemphis, you know he sits down.
(23:05):
Pels made a move. I mean, just see that, see how
important Derek Queen is. So this team stuff yet also
you've seen pace in three points.
You kind of had a little bit mixof both there with the Clippers,
right? I mean, you and and Blake you're
talking about those are bigs that played above the rim were
exciting, but the pace, the pushing of it.
But now there's also, you know, it went to a three-point
shooting a couple years ago and I still feel 3 is big, but I
(23:26):
feel the bigs are back, man. How do you kind of view where
the league is right now? I mean it's all a carousel it
it'll come back around. When I first came in it was a
two big league and then it kind of got a guard or unit.
Then like you said, 3 pointers and you see a lot of teams that
I mean, everybody isn't doing itbecause they can't do it well.
(23:47):
But there are some teams that play a too big lineup and they
are successful. I mean, you saw last year
Oklahoma City, they did it, theywon the championship.
Houston's doing it, Cleveland does it and a ton of other
teams, you know, we do it at that time.
So it's it's good to be able to to have that versatility in your
(24:08):
units and and with your team. You know, we focused a ton on
some of the guys that are reallyrelatively new to the league in
terms of first and second year guys.
But I was curious to what your thoughts are on some of the guys
that are kind of in the middle 5th year or so of their career.
Just the core here between you know, Herb Jones, Jose Alvarado,
(24:29):
Trey Murphy all came in in 2021.I think we have a question from
Trey actually. We do.
We have a question from his big fan, he says.
Who is your favorite Pelicans? Parent.
Oh, Trey's mom. What's?
The Trey asked that question, yeah.
Trey to. Ask Yeah, she's she's a
(24:51):
basketball junkie. She knows everything, you know,
defenses, offenses, rotations, like I really enjoy talking the
game with her. She's amazing and like she, she
will call us out and I and I know, but it's, it's good
though, because you can tell like some people, but just Oh
well, this guy only had five points, but they don't watch the
(25:11):
entire entire game. You know, she watches the game
every night. She's in the same seat.
So I just I, I really love that.I'm sure, I'm sure Trey gets it
a lot more than we do at home, But but she's, she's just an
amazing person and, and she really cares about our progress
and our success as a team. And so that's that.
That's really good to have around.
(25:32):
I know you, you were playing in Denver, I think, when this
happened. But there was a a moment last
season, the season before, whereshe went to a press.
She came in and sat down in the press conference after the game
and Trey was like, say, 6 for eight on free throws, which for
anybody else is a decent night, but for him it was like a
disaster. That he missed 2 free.
Throws. So she came into the press
(25:52):
conference afterward and took the microphone and asked him
about his missed free throws. I need to see that.
I got to see that. So, yeah, so she's definitely
very involved in the, even in the postgame medium press.
Conference, I really, I really enjoy her, man.
She's a, she's a, she knows the game.
And I, I respect the hell out ofher.
(26:13):
So she's right. It's all about accountability,
man. As we wrap up here, man, take a
look at the camera Pells fans are watching.
Give us a message. Pells, man, stay with us, man.
It's been a journey. We're trending in the right
direction and just stay with us.It's going to be a long season,
but we're excited. Sounds good.
I'm sure you cosigned the fact that the start this week. 80
plus points in the paint man. I mean, that's.
(26:35):
That's how you're doing it, man.And it's early in the week, too.
I love it. SD Andre Jordan, thank you for
your time man. Appreciate it as.
Always appreciate something. Yeah, that's Mr. Jim.
I can offer from Gus Caddgill. Thank you for checking us out
here on the New Orleans PelicansPodcast.
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