Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/16

This week on New Rory & Mal, we debate Jay-Z's biggest dud, call out Mal for being wrong about Kendrick not getting love in Toronto, Pusha T taking shots at Travis Scott, and Joy Taylor is in studio to talk about how her love life has changed since starting her podcast #volume

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Speaker 2 (00:35):
The volume. Even though Maul was getting killed for the
old Kendrick take about Toronto, I did see a lot
of people agreeing with him on the Wayne thing. And
I'm here to argue, I think every legend we've had
has dropped a dud.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Every legend has not dropped a dud. A dud.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
First of all, do you know what a dud is
where we can unanimously say that shit is trash.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do you think Eminem is a legend?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Do you think Eminem has dropped the dud?

Speaker 5 (01:04):
Yes? Fifteen of them.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm not gonna go down.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's a little while. But by jay Z Standard, I
think Blueprints it was a dud.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
You don't need to say by jay Z standard.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
No, but that's how he only compare legends to themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
No, we don't know, we don't. We don't compare legends
to other one.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
We talked about Wayne last week. He wasn't comparing them
to himself. He was comparing it to the albums that
dropped that it is a dud.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm not huge on NAS's untitled album. I'm not gonna
say that we're dud. Is it a dud? But that's
better than his worst ship is better than everybody else's
hot shit, So like, yes, it was a dud.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Nah, I don't think it was a dud.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
He had to change the name. Blueprint two is not
a dud. It's the bottom of his That doesn't mean
it's a dud. I'm sure like numbers wise, I'm sure
it's sold. But Wayne is doing what one hundred and
fifty k first week? That's not a dud. But Blueprints
teamle would kill to sell that people only a list
rappers right now would kill to do those first week numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yes, numbers got a dud. Those numbers they would that music,
They wouldn't so what's a dud?

Speaker 6 (02:06):
Then?

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Okay, so now let's have that conversation. If you if
you feel like BLUEPRINTWO is a dud? Why do you
feel like it's because most people don't like Bloopbern two
because they.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Feel like it was too much music.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
It was yeh, a double disc, a lot of duds
on it.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I don't know if it's a lot of duds. Jayd
took some chances the Sean Paul think to me disgusting.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Wayne took some chances too.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I hate that record with Sean. We didn't need that one.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
But I'm not gonna say Down was a dud because
there's some crazy records on both of those discs.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, Magna Carter, I don't think it's slapped out you.
I don't think. I don't think it's as bad as
people make it out seem. I enjoy the album, But
all that anticipation, you and the you in jungle studios
with fucking mobile providers dud. You sell a million records
before the ship comes out because it's only on our phones.
Is it a dud that the anticipation for that album

(02:54):
became a dud? Yes, it got killed that first week.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Why are you you catering it to is it a dud?
Don't say me to anticipation that week, So now.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
People would most people would say, if jay Z had
a dud, it would be Magna Carta. I do not
agree with that, but most people would say that Magna
Carta has gotten a bad rip. I think it's like
I grew Rory. I think it's a way better album
than people give it credit for. But most people will
say that back now.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Is it a dud?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I do believe you invented five G with it, and
you're in the studio Rick Rubin and Pharrell talking about
a metaphor for fucking the ocean, okay, and then it
was just like, all right, this is what you were doing.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
So do you feel like Magna Carter is a dud?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
You feel, I'm telling you not in not in the
scope of Jay's discography. You when you listen to the album,
you felt it's a dud.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
After he tried to break down the sea sick line
to Pharrell, and Farrell went, what, yeah, he was kind
of a dud to me. And now after after the
speakers blew out with.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
Me dancing, he dancing, You got your throng on and
you shaking ass, you dancing.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
You guys won't tell me what a doud is because
I tried to go with the definition of numbers, so no,
Magnet Carter would not be that. Now you guys are
telling me it's music that's objective. So I feel like
Magna Carter. But the consensus when that shit came out
after Timberland July fourth, watching fucking whatever game was on
where it was announced Timberland blew as speakers out, which
ended up being the worst fucking drums I've ever heard

(04:16):
of my life. Yeah, it was a dud as far
as the critics and fans went that week. I like it,
but no one else did.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Okay, I mean I think also a lot of the
times dud can be subjective.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I think that for the definition we all feel dancing.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
No, I'm not dancing. I feel like the Lil Wayne
album that he just dropped was not good at all.
I feel like it's a couple joints on there that's like, Okay,
Wayne is still in shady Rat. We agree that what
the music to me is just not I would never
go like if I don't go back to it and
actively play like at least half of the album.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I feel like that's a dud.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
If I don't go back to your album play at
least half of the tracks, you got sixteen tracks. If
I'm not going back and active we listened to at
least eight nine, that's a dud to me.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, if we're talking about legends that actively actively drop,
you can't name one outside of maybe Michael Jackson that
has never dropped a dud.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
They would say Michael has a dud too.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
What's Michael's does I don't I'm.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Sure someone would say that Michael has a dud. I
can't remember.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean, well, people we just seen Freedhal was it
butterflies that they said was Michael's dud?

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Who said that no where they at find find?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Who said their IP address find?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
We need it?

Speaker 4 (05:25):
We need to talk to this person like everybody cut
his route off.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Like I think outside, I think the Big Three are legends,
but I don't put them there yet. As far as
people have been dropping music for twenty five years, that's
the people I'm talking about now. Yeah, I think eventually
you're going to drop a dut if you stay active
and we've seen it with our legend, is it is
allowed to drop a dut.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Is it a dud or is it just like that's
the worst album you dropped, Because that's a difference.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay, But that's why I say you can only compare
legends against their own desography. I'm not I'm not going
to Wayne's worst work is better than mostly those favorite
for albums and then where you go back.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
To Wayne's last album and play at least half of
those tracks, so then that's a dud.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But you also are saying that legends can't drop duds.
But said Eminema is a legend and we can all
agree here just dropped.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
I said legends can't drop du I mean meaning that
if they if a legend drops album, that's not good,
like we hold them to a higher regard. So like
with the Wayne shit, because you was like, nah, it's okay,
and I'm like, no, it's not like when you're a legend, you.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Can't drop a dud. But eminem has, he has and
it happens.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
But I'm saying that you don't get a pass because
you were trying to say, like you was trying to
give Wayne a pass or drop a dud. Now you
don't get no pass for that. This gentleman right here,
Rory says, I agree with Maul.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Thank you, Waltz. I agree with Maul.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
If Wayne dropped an okay or just a good album,
the convo is completely different.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
But if you're in the convo of one of the.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Greatest ever and you drop a dud that it has
to be made known that it was okay, then then
it has to be made known that it was a dud.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, okay. I don't feel this way. But do you
think the consensus of the general public after Black album Mapping,
He Retired came Back was show me what you got?
Do you think Kingdom Come was deemed a dud when
it came.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Out Kingdom Come, Yeah, I'm not gonna say it was
deemed a dud, but a lot of people didn't like it.
I'm not gonna say dud though a lot of people didn't.
I don't think it sound history.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I like it. I think it probably has one of
those best intros. Lost One is one of my favorite songs.
There's so much shit on there that's incredible. But let's
not all act like everyone didn't say that was a
fucking dud when it came out. I don't.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I don't remember if everyone I student.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
In line for the fucking reflective cover.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
I don't I'd all opened it.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was like a man could have stay retired.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I can't speak to that, but I didn't feel me personally.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I didn't feel like it was a dud.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Okay, listen, I like Kingdom Come. You're I'm talking about
what the general public thinks.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Oh I don't, I don't. I don't know what the
general was public was saying about that.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's exactly what. Well, yeah, did that come out? Oh?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Oh yeah, I don't know what the fuck the general
public you say.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Anything anything like king Now because uh wait, American Gangster
was what oh seven?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
So Kingdom Come was maybe two years after that?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh now, because Ken Comes.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
The Peach two thousand and three was Kingdom Come?

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Oh hell no, I don't know what the general public.
And three I was these niggas was thinking. And oh three,
I was in second grade.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
We didn't even have social media then.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
We no more. After the Black Album Faded Black, when
he handed the Keys to the City over to You
and Bleak, he disappeared and then came back gave us
a reflective cover that we'd never seen. Everyone was disappointed
as far as the public went, Yes, that was the
overall consensus.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Anywhere you went was like, I'm not saying you wrong,
I'm just remember that.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Coming off the black album, retiring, going to deaf jam. Yeah,
everyone at that time, that first few weeks, everyone's like,
he could have probably just stayed retired. This ain't your return.
But people going to I do I.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Remember that consistently?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I would be like, all.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right, now we're just rewriting history.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
That is, I can't remember that. You was like sixteen.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
He wasn't even sixteen.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
He was like ten fourteen. Get the fuck out.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Of here with this take. You had a ship piece
is malauckey? How the fuck do you know what? People?
The general consensus was TV thirteen.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
The TV we've been walking around in TV. But you
have to know fourteen, fourteen year old is talking to
people were talking about you had to be home for
them shoot and you still had to.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Be hold by the time dinner was done. You didn't
know what the general public was taking. You don't know
what you have to do with ghetto tech though you don't.
You don't think, well, that's different you're talking about the song.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I'm saying the general consistents about.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
Their album Kingdom Come came out twentousand and six, peag Game.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I was sixteen, I was driving.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, you still don't know what the general consensus was
thinking of not at sixteen. You know that's impossible to
know that at sixteen.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Dog I had.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Your world is so small as sixteen, you don't know
what everybody is think all.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
I get what you're saying, But kids run and run
the music industry, and wrong they don't.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Teenagers and young adults. Yes, they do.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Run the music industry. Is that what you just said?

Speaker 7 (10:09):
When it comes to what's hot and what's popular, Yes,
they do. That's why y'all don't understand the allure talk.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
They running what's hot and was like they can't even speak.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
That's now, But back then, the kids decide what music
is going.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Everybody appeals to kids.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
You know that everybody is trying to appeal to thirty
jay Z has never.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Tried to appeal to kids. He has never made an
album for kids. So let's stop that right there.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Are you about to tell me sixteen year olds are
not listening to jay Z?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I didn't thousand and six. I did not say that
we're going I'm saying with the marriage. I'm saying with
the to the marriages point. Jay Z has not made
an album thinking about kids, of course, not that's all
I'm saying. That's all I'm speaking to. I'm speaking to
what she said. He's never been to the studio said
I'm making this album for kids.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So what do you think singles are for? Like, why
jay Z is so successful is because he catered his
music to a wide audience.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Now, Hard Knock Life was definitely for forty year olds.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
For sure, it's got any any kids. Their kids are
literally on the fucking hook.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
So that means it's four kids.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Not that, but it's going to like the kids.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
That's different.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
And when I say I'm talking about babies, I'm not
talking about children.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
I'm talking about teenagers and young adults.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
One of my early memories of the radio is more money,
more problems being on the radio because I found it.
I didn't know what the fuck they were saying. It
was catchy, Yeah, that appeals to kids. Catchy songs appeal
to kids.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
MTV is these songs appeal to anybody? What are you talking? BT?

Speaker 5 (11:35):
One oh six in Park, MTV.

Speaker 7 (11:38):
All of those things were they appealed to to kids,
not children, but to kids.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
When they went to the winning it wasn't a bunch
of forty year old's like yeoh salute. It was a
bunch of kids and their parent.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
But that's again, I'm not saying that what you're saying
is wrong. I'm saying these artists are not going jay
Z in particular, is not going in the studio making
album thinking about what are the kids gonna think about this?
That's not what he's doing. He's making music and whoever
likes it likes it. But it's not for kids.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
He's not, of course.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
But but back when jay Z was also young, he
was making people music for people in his age range.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
No, you don't think that that was happening.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, but again, you talking about rap. Rap is a
young first of all. Rap is a young sport number
one exactly, So it's gonna appeal to a younger audience
just by the nature of the culture. But when you
talk about his content and what he's saying and what
he's talking about, that's not He's not rhyming and rapping
and telling you fiends could catch a freeze off my
knee cap. He ain't saying that for kids, of course

(12:36):
not No, all right, So I'm just saying he's not
making it for kids. It's gonna appeal because it's hip hop,
it's rap. This is what kids are in the in
the city. This is what they listen to, this is
what they see, this is what they grow up around.
But they're not the ones that determine if that if
it's hot.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
Or not, Like, no, that's not but see that, And
that's just what we're gonna have to disagree. We're gonna
have to disagree that is who determines what was hot
or not because those are back in those days and
six when again, when you had to get your music
video premiered on certain things, and you were trying to
get people to buy your albums, and you were marketing.
You were marketing towards younger adults because younger adults are

(13:11):
more likely to spend their money on that type of
ship or beg their parents to spend their money on
that type.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Why was why was the fourth quarter at that time
always the time when rappers put out their albums. It
was Christmas because kids are going to ask their parents
about the city.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
That's why, Yes, because of Christmas?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Then why oh, because it was the end of the
year reporting for the.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Labels, and then the numbers had to match for the year.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
And what what is the highest game we're just talking about.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
It wasn't your brother.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I guarantee you. It wasn't just for Christmas though, DoD
that's the highest consumer rate. At that time, people are
spending the most money. Kids are asked. That's that's why
I put it. But everything at that time, what are
we talking about that's in the world, not just music.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yes, Christmas time, people by gifts. I get that part.
Christmas is catered around buying gifts of kids. Kids are
not the only ones that receive gifts there Christmas. What
I'm trying to tell you is when rappers put out music,
kids didn't make it hot. Kids got kids found out
what was hot based on what the older niggas in
the hood was listening.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
We're saying Numbers was hold from everything.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Snoop was hot because the older niggas on my block
said he was hot. Only knew DMX was dope because
the older niggas on my block was saying.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
You're saying that the older niggas on your block. Were
the older niggas on your block twenty twenty one, twenty two,
or were the older niggas on your block thirty five forty?

Speaker 4 (14:28):
It ranges from twenties to thirties to forties. It was
a bunch of old dudes on my block. But what
I'm saying is you can me be and me be
At thirteen to fourteen, I only knew. I only knew
Snoop was dope because dudes that had cars, older dudes
that was riding around listening, that had the girls, That's
what they was playing.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
And I'm like, I wanted the nigga that.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
Was in between nineteen and thirty. Maybe they were not
forty five years old.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
They weren't kids though, back to this, because they were
not kids.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
But I've been been clarified that when I say kids,
I mean teenagers and young adults people from the ages.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well, that's not kids, and that that changes everything you
just said.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
You can't take you say making content that's not for kids,
is it? Like Eminem's whole entire career why he blew
up was because of kids, and his content was way
great for.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Kids, never for kids, but he had kids as fans.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's what will separated eminem from everything was because the kids,
myself included. It felt like, damn, this is dangerous to
listen to, Like, I hope my mom doesn't know that
I've listening to this shit.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Nicki Minaj fans as well.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Nicki Minaj's fans were all young kids, like they were
young kids.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Her music not pussy the whole time. The intention isn't
The intention is to go to a wide audience, that
is the intention.

Speaker 7 (15:41):
Yeah, but the kids are is what's going to make
you hot, period period. If you don't have the kids,
there's only so far you will go. There's only so
far you will go if you don't have the kids.
You can have the kids and not have the adults,
hints the Playboy cardies, hints the Ice spices. You can
have the kids and not have the adults and still
have an amazing career. But you can't have the adult
and not have the kids and blow up like that.

(16:02):
It doesn't work unless you're already a legend and you've
already had the kids, and the kids who are now
the adults were your fans back then. It just doesn't
work like that. You do need the teenagers and young
adults to make music pop. It's just always been like that.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
You did you know that the public's views of Volume
one when it came out, Volume one was ninety seven. No,
the public use, No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Kill. I knew the views on the people in my neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, this is what I'm talking about, the peer, the
people around you.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, they fucked with it.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
But you how old are you?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Sixteen sixteen to fifteen sixteen? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
So why why can't a sixteen year old know what
the fuck people think of an album?

Speaker 4 (16:43):
No, you're talking about that. You said the general consensus? Yeah, no,
you knew the people in your radius, in your neighborhood.
You didn't know the general consensus of what this this
album that came out was. You knew the people with
the people in your neighborhood were saying about it. You
knew what the people in your boss school. Yeah, that's
that's not a thing. That is a thing. But when
you say general, I'm thinking you thinking like the entire
like what is the entire fucking country saying about this

(17:06):
artist that just dropped?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Like how we know now when the artist.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Drop, we can know what everybody is feeling about it,
or what everybody seems to be feeling about it.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
It wasn't like that in ninety seven. What are you talking?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
For the most part, everyone has similar thoughts.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
Not exactly depending on the regions and things like that.
Because I grew up thinking that the general consistence was
that jay Z was the best rapper to ever have wrapped.
And then I started meeting niggas from the South and
they looked at me like I had seven heads.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Again that's false too, because a lot of niggas in
the South fuk with you.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
A lot of niggas from the South do, but a
lot of niggas from the South do not look at
jay the way that we do. It's not the general
consensus that it's well known that jay Z is the
greatest rapper of all time. In the South, it is
not looked at like that. Yeah, but it's a big
debate like this.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
But even here man in New York, there's a lot
of people in New York that don't feel like jay
Z is the best rapper ever.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Yeah, but we look at them like weirdose.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Because they are. But I think this is semantic claim
and no, I can't prove it, but everyone knows how
them come came across.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
In the beginning, like I would have to agree with you,
as I had a father who was a jay Z fan,
I would have to agree with you.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
It wasn't actually till way later whenever it's like, yo,
remember we used to kill this album, And she was
all right, you know, she.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Just said what her father said about the album. Somebody older, okay,
and then that's how she felt about the album.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yo. At sixteen, I like, I knew people that were twenty.
I know that sounds insane, but yeah, like I knew
older people.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I'm not saying you didn't.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
I'm just saying you got most of what you felt
from an album based on the older people that were
around you and what they were saying how they.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Felt about the music. That's just how it's always been.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I felt at sixteen seventeen Black album was better.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, you can still.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Listen back to the movies to see it.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Like I'm saying, you can't listen to something no matter
what age.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
I felt like it wasn't older people telling me it
was bad. I was like, this ain't I mean, this
ain't that.

Speaker 7 (18:53):
But because it don't always go like that because I
also my father thought Soldier Boy was the worst thing
that ever happened to music. My father also thought that
Drake was the worst thing that ever happened to music.
And I used to sit and play fucking Drake Sojia Boy,
all of that, crank that shit, all of that lean
with a rock, with all of that, I used to
smake my father sit down and listen to it.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
So there was no matter how trash he told me.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
It was like, I insisted that it was good because
it was good to me and because it was.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Good to feel how you feel. But I'm just saying
most of where you get your taste in music. You
hear artists now when they sit down and speak, they
talk about what their parents were playing in the house. Yes,
they talking about as what older people were playing in
the cars. Like that's where you get your influence and
how you see how people are around you are feeling
about music that's coming out. That's where you pick that

(19:37):
up from. It's the older generation. It's like, Okay, they
fucking with that. This is what's playing outside. When I
go outside, everybody drive past, They're playing this.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
In their car.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
That's just what it was. Yeah, that's how you fell
in love with most of your music. You would hear
you would hear it moving around outside, hearing in cars,
hearing it playing out of somebody's window, like that's what
it was. And then you would be like, y'all, I
need to go get that mixed tabe or that CD.
I need to go play that Daniel, start playing it
on your way to school, listening to your headphones. Like,
but you found it from older people in your neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Like that had that plays a large part of it,
for sure, but it doesn't shape in opinion.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
No, no, no them, It doesn't shaping opinion.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
But I remember arguing from about volume three it was
just that is a special place in my I like
that album more than most people because it was like
one of the first cit he's ever had. But I've
heard people tell me, like, you like, what's the song
Mariah Carey that Squizz did. It's like one of the
worst j Z songs ever. It's like one of my favorites.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Here's the most sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
No, that's it's like one of the worst Swizz beats ever.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
It's the things that you do.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, I remember everyone killing that and I loved it.
Like that doesn't shape your opinion, but I guess the
environment would. I don't know. We just went on a tangent,
I know.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Just pissed.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
It wasn't it wasn't a bad tangent.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I mean, I guess we can go to voice most.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, congrats on your move, ABD. Hopefully stay out the
Brooklyn streets. Summertime is upon us. Gonna be out there
acting up.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Please.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
I think I think I'm being a relationship by August.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Oh god, here we go with this ship.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
I'll be out the streets, so we're good.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Oh boy, what's next? On a docking?

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Toronto shows up for Kendrick. You gonna talk about that?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, let's talk about that. Anybody been in my mentions?
Anybody show Yeah? Man, but you know, trying to tell
you it's a shitty take then, yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
But you know what, you know what it is, man,
I'd be underestimating how many fucking goofy's out here. Oh
my god, how many idiots out here in the world,
like you showed up for somebody that was shitting on y'all.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Toronto is the third largest city in North America, right
you don't think Kendrick Lamar has fans Kendrick.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
We know Kendrick has fans in Toronto, but I just
you know, people were supposed to that show. You were
supposed to not go to the that specific show. But
you know why, because he's shitting on the city of Toronto.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
Is he?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
What the fuck you think? They not like us?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Who you think?

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Who's they? And they not like us?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Specifically talking like.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Ads, That's exactly who he was talking about. He was
talking about Canadians, Torontonians, to be exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I thought he was trying to separate between people that
are of the culture and the people that are not.
He's saying they're not like us, And.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh that's what you thought. It's definitely not what he
was saying.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, so all you, all you idiots in Toronto that
brought a ticket to that show, just do it.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Just didn't they become us? If they were at the
show singing them no? Maybe they wanted to become the No.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's that's why they're exactly why they're fucking goofy. Anybody
that went to that show as a Torontoni is a goofy.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Can't go to that show?

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Man, You just can't You're not supposed to gotta stand
for something.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
Can you just say that you were wrong about what about?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
What?

Speaker 7 (22:52):
That you were wrong about your take about? Yeah, say
I was wrong. I thought that they were gonna he
was gonna get laughed out of the arena.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
He didn't, man, I mean listen, man. Scizzle was there too, though.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
So like, oh my fuck, okay, we.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Gotta give Scissors some props. 's not act like a
lot of people did see Scissors.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
We're not going that.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I think people were there for one of the biggest artists.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, So if do you think anyone from Queens is
allowed to go to a Charris One show.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
In that moment? No? Now today? If? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Today?

Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
When he does the Bridges over Queens, keeps on faking it,
not allowed to You're not allowed to.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Carros One wouldn't do that. That's not a part of
his set. He would, he would, and.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'm sure he performed it last night somewhere.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Queen. What's Mine in Queens? You said in Queens, would
perform in New York City? You said in Queens? He
said in Queens. That's what he said at first.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I'm sure kars One has performed the Bridge is over
in Queens before, and I'm sure people from Queens where
they are going to.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
British, Let's find it. Let's find it so we could
go into such KRS.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's such a specific Queens said, yeah, let's find the
members from Queen's Bridge there.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'm willing to bet that.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Kr ress one never performed that song in Queens. I'm
willing to bet that.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
I'm also willing to bet that we'll never know because we.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Was sitting in there. We can find anything, we can
find you rapping on the internet. We can't find KRS
one rapping in Queens.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Where was everyone holding up there like IDs to let
you know where they were from? I think we got
one here.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I guarantee you jobs doesn't have it.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Damn in the title video, I'm.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
N for being wrong.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean, yeah, he's performing it.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Fast forward.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Gosh see that means the Bronx one. Oh no, the.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Bronx back then. We knew that, wor that's not that's
not what we're trying to figure out here.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
We know that.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Well. I mean, listen to I think it's fine that
any Canadian went to go see somebody they enjoy. It's clown.
So you're you're saying you were wrong because you had
more confidence in the Greater Ontario area.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
No, I mean, we obviously know that Kendrick is who
he is, Like people were gonna go to a Kendrick show,
But to see people from Toronto crip walking like deception
in Toronto, I don't know, but to be crip walking
at a Kendrick show and being you look stupid.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
And they're gonna think I'm hating. But I want to
see the tour. But what is that section that they
keep posting? Is there like a gang section? Yo?

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Please?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
No, no, hear me. No, I know that. But have
you noticed at every single stop, not just in Toronto,
there's a specific area that's open where they could fit
way more people, and it just be like ten gang members.
They're dancing the whole time at every stop. No, they
don't be a girl, it.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Just be people dance like walking. I have a notice it.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Might be the set by me from the set, I
mean ship that's a cool gig.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, but that was disappointing to see that. I ain't
gonna lie. That was nasty. It's over, man, It's not,
it's not. And what's over what do you mean, what's over.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
This entire thing?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Like, oh yeah, yeah, the beef ship. Yeah, nobody cares
about that.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
That.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
I mean for me that the Like Toronto show was
the end of it for me.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I guess that was probably the one thing people that
marked on their calendar seeing.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Me that that was the end.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I mean, who's the politician that said I went for sism?

Speaker 3 (26:36):
So the uh.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Here's the thing I thought it was. I thought it
was odd that Drake posted that, even though I laughed.
But because we got this reaction, I'm happy Drake posted that.
I went for how you start copping? Please Jack meeting.
I went for saism, not Ken Drick. So why you
ain't leaving? Wh Kendrick got on stage? That's my whole thing.

(27:01):
Why you ain't leave White?

Speaker 4 (27:02):
As soon as Sue says a set was over, why
not leave?

Speaker 5 (27:06):
He wanted to hear all right cause niggas is lying.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
He went there to see Kendrick.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I went to the GNX door, not to see Kendrick.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, just stand on it. That's my only thing. With
all of the shit. Stand on That's all. I don't
care what. Just stand on it, and.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Stated Travis Scott versus pusha t M. When the clips
put out so Be It, I felt like a hip
hop novice because at the end of so be It,
which I think is incredible by the way, I think
the clips are two for two. The visual is incredible
as well. I thought pusha t was dissing Kanye West

(27:44):
just out the gate, and I thought he was just
using utopia because Travis is man like. I just thought
that was a wordplay thing. And then the timeline started
debating and I was like, well, that'd be weird if
you would just diss Travis Scott, like and first of all,
I'm a hip hop nerd, it's got to be about Kanye.
And then within fifteen minutes, Pushing T was like, nah,
it's directly about Travis Scott was talking about Kanye.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Was a though, mm hm, well Kanye caught a little
bar maybe.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, but he I mean he caught one on the
first one as well with trumpets like push your Tea
has been continuing walls to get his juice fixing.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Thank you, Josh. This is like my my spinach, No.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
It is spinach.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
No, yeah, It's like literally spinach definitely is.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
So yeah. The exact bar at the end of so
be it was. You cried in front of me, You
died in front of me. Calabasis took your bitch and
your pride in front of me. Her utopia had moved
right up the street, and her lip gloss was popping.
She ain't need you to eat.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
What does any of that shit mean?

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Well, we can we can break it down, Josh, pull
that up, pull the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
The net gonna call it the way they see it.
But I got the video I can share and a
eot They wouldn't believe it, but I can't unsee it.
Luckily I atmz it. So be it, so be it
all right? So we want to start right here? Do
we want to start in the timeline of why the
fuck push it is dissing a non rapper?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
This goes back at the end of the day Bape
may be the greatest fashion brand of all time to
the chaos that it has caused hip hop bait. I
think Bape has caused more chaos and hip hop than
maybe Ronald Reagan did at this point. Yeah, what this
all goes back to a fucking baite hoodie and some

(29:28):
Bape sneakers. This all goes back to clips Birdman Lil Wayne,
which again I don't want to go in super detail
because we did that when we had to explain the
Pushy t and Drake beef. But it all started there.
Everything trickled down that got to Push and Drake. We
saw where that ended up, which I still think has
something sort of to do with the Kendrick and twenty
v one. I still think.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
It it derives.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
So Push goes on. I forgot was the New York Times.
He goes to explain after so be it that Travis
Scott barge into the middle of a clip session with Pharrell,
you know, similar to what I do in sessions, just
just pretend to be a fly on the wall and
then just overtake everything and ruin the entire vibe. So

(30:12):
he goes in there to play Utopia for Farrell plays
every song, even plays Meltdown, just without the Drake verse.
There is footage which I guess was from like the
Utopia doc or something, which, of course the clip to
make it look funny, but Farrell's face was like, Yo,
get the fuck out of my studio. He was just
bopping his head like hmmm.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
So we don't think Farrell was feeling the Utopia probably was.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
He probably was, so he doesn't play the Meltdown verse
that Drake has leaves the studio after ruining their session uninvited,
and then we hear Meltdown where Drake is clearly dissing Farrell,
which again I think is kind of fine because you're
affiliated with Push, Like, I just think if your man's

(30:55):
standing there, sometimes anybody could kind of get it, which
Push found to be disrespectful on Travis's behalf yeah, but
not be telling him come in here, don't come in here,
ask for Farrell's co sign. Farrell let you film interrupt
our entire session and then let somebody diss him the

(31:16):
next week on the very song that you played him.
I can see somebody feeling a way about that was
pushing this on huh no New sort of like within
the Farrell bars. Yeah, remember that it was something, you know,
melting down his legacy and you know, all that entire shit,
which he continued on to doing family matters. But with
that said, I don't think Push is wrong per se

(31:39):
for it. I just think it's a little random.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
So Push is mad that Travis has a verse on
his album with Drake is dis in Pharrell.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yes, and he is mad that he continues to play
the middle ground because to Push his credit. He even
went on there and said he thought it was nasty
when Travis was hyping up like that, which we all
saw and we covered on this podcast. Everyone saw that clip.
We thought it was weird too, like Shaman's like what
the fuck? And Push is saying, you're not even a rapper,
so why are you hyping up beef. You claim to

(32:08):
be neutral and like be on both sides, but now
you're hyping up to like that record, which is honestly
dissing somebody Push hates. So I give Push the credit
on that. Like you look Goofy doing that too, and
then you look Goofy coming in the studio playing some
shit that is gonna diss this guy the next week,
even though we know that I think Drake did that
record like the night before, but you're not gonna step

(32:29):
in like now. It was just with Pherell, like, don't
do that on my record.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, because we've seen people where they'll be like, nah,
I can't, like come on, that's my man.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I can't put that verse on my album.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
And we can't be hypocrites because when Drake put out
push ups and was throwing shots at at Future. I
understood it. Future didn't dis Drake on like that, But
you sitting there harmonized with somebody that is yeah, like yeah,
so yeah, I think Drake had every right to do that.
So that's where I do.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Feel push on this entire thing, like, yeah, I'm not
I'm mad at Pep would push it saying I'm not
mad at his stance on things. Obviously, I understand it, Like,
you know, these are rappers between Travis is not a rapper,
He's not about the bar, nobody down. He makes no
big songs and things like that, has a great live performance,

(33:17):
but you know rappers. Was pushes talking about the rappers,
the guys that really can construct these bars and really
you know, go at each other, like you know, I
could see him feeling the way. I just don't want
because I kind of feel like, now, I like the
fact that pushes addressing shit on wax. Let me put
that in there, and I would rather him be addressing
on wax than to be going live the corny shit

(33:40):
lots some rappers to go live and start.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Tweeting like that stuff is fine if you're also rapping.
If you be rapping.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
If you putting it in the music, cool, but if
you not putting the music in, you just addressing your
issues with rappers on podcasts, on IG live or it's like,
come on, bro, get in the boot. So I salute
Push you forgetting the booth and airing shit out and
you know, expressing his feelings. That's what this is about.
That's what hip hop is for. To get your shit off,

(34:10):
talk your shit. If you got something to say, say it,
stand on it. So I respect pushing for that. My
thing is, I don't want push it to fall into
this box to where it looks like beef or issues
are part of his rollout for.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
His album See.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
But to me that I don't want to fall into
that all because even with this Travis shit right, I
see more people talking about him dising travised than the
song or the video being as dope as it is.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
But that's how it's always going to go, no matter
what I don't like. But there's also a large community
I feel on the timeline they're just talking about how
great Ace Trumpets is and I also beat this, and
how excited they are about this album, how great the
rollout has been. But to say that would Push, like
when was Lord Willing? When was the first Clips album?

(34:58):
Two thousand? Like two thousand and three maybe yeah, two
thousand and two too. M dang for the last.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Us the shit you was a jit baby day a
little shit. You was outside eating pickles and kool aidises.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's what you was on.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
You really.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Barefoot?

Speaker 5 (35:22):
So go ahead y twenty three years Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I can definitely say for Daytona with Infrared, it had
he threw a little shot at the end on the outro.
I wouldn't say it was part of the rollout, but yes,
it definitely got some attention. Then Drake ended up replying
and then we went down that rabbit hole. But I
wouldn't say that was the main focus of his rollout.
It's almost dry. I guess there was a few shots

(35:48):
here and there, but I didn't think the rollout at
all was around that. Matter of fact, that Daytona rollout
was the Kanye seven track shit, Like nobody was even
really thinking about Beef for that. They were excited for
what Kanye was marketing.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
No, I'm not saying I'm.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Saying that somebody that Push has always done.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I see a lot of people saying that, like, oh,
here goes push again, doing the clout chase ship to
get attention. I'm like, dug, since two thousand and two,
he's done this like once or twice. This isn't really
a push thing per se. And some of our favorite
rappers Ship fifties Rollout was punching down on every other.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
But you.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Like this is hip hop? Yeah, yeah, but that's it's
just this new generation that thinks it's corny to make
this another rappers part of a rollout when it's been
that way since nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
It's listen, beef and hip hop has always been the
first hip hop record might have been a disrecord. We're
really go back and listen, yeah, and dissect those balls.
They might have been talking about some niggas from up
the block, so we know that. But what I'm saying
is because now my thing is if if Travis responds
on his next album, right God, I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I don't want to hear it. I don't I just
don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear traveling.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Want to fucking area. I don't care if shapens the ship.
I think I think Travis I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Travis is a great entertained, has great records, great musician,
one of the best live shows that you probably will see.
Love his merge, his sneakers, He's doing a lot of
great ship. But when it comes to just rapping, I don't.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Want to just hear.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
I don't want to hear Travis going there and trying
to bar push your tea down.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
I don't want to hear that. I'm not here for that.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
But if he responds in a Travis Wade in the
middle of a song somewhere where you know niggas is
marsh pitting and it's you know, push pushing, fuck push
it on some rock she I don't know, however you
want to do.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I could see that happening.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
But then now does push you on the next project?
What is he doing? Is he is he back to
is he flaming travers up on the next album?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
You know what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I don't want to album. You might just get a
response record out the gate, but.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
That's what I'm saying. I just don't want it to
fall into that.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
I love the video is amazing, you know, that's what
the clips have always done. That has given us great
visuals and things like that. So this is right on
brand for the clips. But yeah, I respect it. Man,
if you got an issue with somebody and rap rap,
and I.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Saw a lot of people like, yo, that's that's corny
because like everyone knows, Travis doesn't even rap like that.
Since when can a rapp or not rap about shit
that happened if it wasn't rappers, Like it has to
be a lyrical rapper that you just explain a situation.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Eight.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I've heard rappers talk about girls they fucked, but that
girl can't rap. Did a whole verse about her. All
she can do is reply on Twitter. Yeah, I don't
think that makes them like this is nah.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
I don't think that Pusha did this thinking it would
turn into a back and forth. Like I think he
just had something to say and he wanted to address it,
and he addressed it through the music, and I respect that.
I always respect when the rappers rap and get on
the song or get in the booth and get their
shit off. Like as long as you not just on
social media and on podcasts talking about the rappers, it's

(38:49):
like cool, give us the music. Do it through the music,
and that's what hip hop is for, or what that's
one of the things that hip hop is for. But
I respect him, man, I'm not mad at this at all.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
We think we get well, I don't know, because does
Drake even like Travis Scott right now? That's what happens
when you get in the middle like that, Like then
everyone just hates you. So I was about to say,
do we get a Travis and Drake record where it's
a hit, but they are sending shots like which they've
done in the past that it's been incredible. I don't
think we get a Travis and Drake record ever. Again,
I don't think that happens me personally.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
I don't know for sure, but I don't. I mean,
after what Travis did, I don't see I would look
at that ship Google, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I don't see that happening. How has podcasting affected your dating?

Speaker 5 (39:40):
It hasn't really, I'm fine.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
How for a while, How would you think it would
affect it negatively?

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Because you're probably more open and honest on your podcast
than you are on television about your personal you know,
life and.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
Joy in in in my real life, Like.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
You're gonna get joy.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
No, I get that part.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
But on Tandra, but like because us US podcasting, we
speak about how like you meet people and you know
they may have heard your podcast, they see clips of
your podcast, they hear you say something, and then they
make this preconceived notion about the type of person.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
That you may be.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
Oh, I don't date little boys, so I don't. I
can't even I can't even imagine. Like there's certain conversations
I couldn't even imagine having, like, oh, I saw this
on your podcast, so like is that how you really feel?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Imagine a decade of it, what it happened?

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Happened?

Speaker 6 (40:43):
I can't even imagine this conversation. I cannot imagine. It's worst, man,
having this conversation with me.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Well, listen, it's worse when you know people right say
you dated somebody and you know them before podcasting, okay,
and now you have a podcast and then they hear
you say something in your podcast and bring it to
you in real life and actually, like the relationship would
really change between y'all, like your parents, Well that's it,
but that that happens it just like yo, you know

(41:10):
me for real?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Like what's wrong with you?

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Like and it's like it's a real like I'm not
you said that, Like that's or I didn't know that's what?
Like you've know you know me, we've known each other
ten fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
What are you talking about? Like that?

Speaker 4 (41:23):
That happens Like people will hear something they had clip
and be like, have you had.

Speaker 6 (41:27):
This, Suspa, Yes, I've had someone I was living with
questioning me about things that.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
Happen on a podcast.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
I'm like, I'm like, you you know for you know
everything about me? Why are you questioning me about something
I'm talking about on a damn podcast?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
And usually it comes from selfish reasons of they feel
that someone else is going to ask them about it,
not what you said. It's that, oh, someone may hear
my friend about.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Something like yo, what's up with your yeah?

Speaker 7 (41:52):
Man?

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Like he only talking about Uh.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
It sounds like they want a man with a different
and woman with a different occupation.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
That's the worst. That's very important, And that's okay because
it can be an.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Adjustment like that's because they're dating a man with a
different sex.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
By birds, where did you?

Speaker 5 (42:14):
That's why I said I saw.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
The worst is actually when you meet people that you've
already had this gig, like I met you this way. Sorry,
why are you even question me on this ship? I
actually understand more of what Maul was saying. And people
that knew you before podcasting and aredjusting with you of
like saying personal things that the world may have not known.
Not anything crazy, But people that you meet when you
were already in media and have the nerve to say
anything are the ones that blow my fucking mind. Like

(42:38):
you met me right like what do you I'm gonna
stop doing this because you showed up.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
You came across like my clip. That's how you slid
my DMS. I don't know why you would think that.
And I was saying, wow, shit, you laughed back then.
Now it's not funny.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Yeah, this is we have.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
I don't have any what to knock on. But this
has not happened to me yet. I don't know that
it's ever happened to me in my career.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
But yeah, I don't.

Speaker 6 (43:05):
I mean, that's just not I don't think that's a
conversation I would entertain. Like I'm almost forty years old.
Way you got your I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
Like I don't like.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
That's what I'm not talking like like what I love
for you is that you are still on your journey
because I'm not your person, and you are going to
find the person that fulfills you and makes you confident.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Don't tell me.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
I don't tell me what journey, my journey, my journey. What
I know you're not?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
You know we can't.

Speaker 6 (43:37):
You're on your journey. I'm not on your journey. I'm
not dinner And there's where you that's it. You got,
this is where you get off.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
But to be fair, Joy doesn't say the wild ship
that we we say really wild things.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Is a little more calm unless they're like really a
Steeler fan.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Man, I mean yes, it can lead to heartbreak, which
you know, leaves a void that I feel like only
Jesus Christ can feel.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
It's true, he is he is here.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
Wow, that was that was callback heaven. What a great
full circle moment. That's also a part of where we're
on different paths, you know. Oh yeah, we didn't give
the guy and his advice. I think he I think
he's trying to figure out how long his girl is
trying to get over him.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
But no, I think we gave him a good advice.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
We don't know it depends on what happened, what you do,
What did you do? What did you do to it happened?

Speaker 3 (44:29):
What did you do?

Speaker 5 (44:29):
What did you do? Or maybe he's the new guy,
he wait for her to get over older. Don't do that.
That's my advice.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's yeah, because he didn't add any context. I felt
like he was waiting on a chick. That was you know,
That's what I thought the whole ship was.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Sometimes you beat that nigga, you'd be like, Yo, like Yo,
that nigga's whack.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
You got me waiting like Yo, what fuck that nigga? Man,
I'm trying to go to Turks.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
From all what we do.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
You don't don't be that person. Do not be the
next don't bring the heartbreak person. It's not going to
work out.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, don't be the heartbreak. Don't bring the heartbreak. Don't
be don't be Sam Rosstein unless you never be Sam Roastin,
unless Ginger is always going to go She was a whole.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
Boy, unless you're unless you're comfortable with not ever getting
a full version of that person.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah, but Joey, sometimes you just want to go to
Turks though.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
That's what I'm saying, Like, go to turks by all
means go.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
To turks, but don't go with expectations.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
Expectations, Yes, okay, yeah, the pictures you take, she gonna
send to him and say, look what you're missing out on.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
Hey, look allegedly I've never done it.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Y'all be playing it. Y'all be playing a dangerous game.
He make my pictures.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
We played different games than then y'all play.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Oh yeah, games are wayt sick because.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Y'all like to play with.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Y'all like to go all the way, like y'all see
death and y'all like to look at it whereas we know,
like we don't want to go to jail.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
I don't want to go to jail either.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Do you want to go to the cemetery.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
When it's when it's time?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
What time it is?

Speaker 5 (45:58):
We're all gonna end up one day.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
No, But I'm just saying, you playing with like when
like the marriage just said, I take you on vacation,
you taking pictures. I'm taking pictures. I'm a photographer, and
you sending the pictures that I took of you to
your ex.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
And when the international waters.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Why y'all laughing at I'm mad at y'all even laughed that.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
That was some time even fun.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
It's not even funny.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I like that, not any a joke.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Like, what the was that about?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I think we're trying to have a serious conversation. You
guys are laughing.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Do we still have fun in Turks?

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Oh? We had a fun?

Speaker 5 (46:27):
This is why what you don't know what.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I'm worried about. First of all, the photographer owns the photos.
That's my IP. I don't care if you in the photos.
I own that motherfucking photo.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Speak without speaking? Is what just happened?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Oh no, I know y'all.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Can I know y'all spoke and I heard it, but
I said, yeah, it was very loud. But it's just like,
because we can't do that as niggas, we can't do that,
do stuff like that. I can't saying and send it
to my ex.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
That ain't fly.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Why would you send the picture of your feet so she.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Knows where I'm at toes in the sin.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
If your X cared about you, she'd know he was
at the fact that you gotta tell her she's over here.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
She's gonna see that coach line and be like that
I watch that.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Why do men, why do you have to be crazy
for men to feel like you care about them mommy issues.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Oh I don't feel like that. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
I don't I don't think crazy all the time they
ask you you never had a girl.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I never had it. I never had a fight with
a girl.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Never like nothing, crazy like I've never experienced that type
of relationship. Never strict, Not that I'm strict, it's just
that this is what it is and this is what
it ain't. Yeah, but we can we don't have a
We're gonna have fun notion after labor Day. And that's
his that's his sonate he's breaking up.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
No, that's that's stupid. I'm not that guy.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
But I just don't because I think you know, when
it's getting to that toxic point where it's like disrespect
is coming in. Like we just saw the the couple
that he killed her after he got off live. He
killed his girl and the cops are chasing him and
he killed herself.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
It's like a little more excessive than I think.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
But if you look at it, but I'm saying, but
if you look at the IG live, they're arguing, it
looks like it's played. It's something. According to the comments,
this is what they always did, like they get on
each other's lives. So I told she like, yeah, I
caught him cheating that he mad, yeah, you know fuck that,
nigga da da da da da.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
I ain't never touched no nigga.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
It was.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
That's relations like domestic violence and extreme abuse or I
think murder suicide exists.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
But that's what I'm saying. Is what I'm saying, is
it starts.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
So No, You're absolutely right, it does.

Speaker 6 (48:25):
And I'm talking about sort of the like more the
more gentle version of this, not the starter kit for.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Dragging on a relationship with two people that shouldn't be
together type of thing.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
Many times I'll called you fifty times private.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, that's in that.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
That's never heard.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, I've always want to do women not like I know,
women think we're dumb sometimes, But why is this like
the private fifty times? Oh, I'm going to answer the
thirty ninth one.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
You've had someone call you fifty times good for you.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
And even after like the fifty never you got.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
To it's good.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, no, no, no, baby, we can't do that.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Baby can't ask you if it's good.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I was giving I was giving up like a tyler Perry.

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Yeah, that's nasty calling some wack ship.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Fifty times it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Calling with your number getting blocked, and then calling from
your homegirl's number that I know blocked, and then a
private number like I'm not going to understand that Cocidentially,
A lot of that be ego too. A couple of
days later, though, y'all want the last little get off,
like y'all need that, like if the man got the
last get off in the hole, back and forth and
blocking all of that, sometimes almost eagle like, no he

(49:42):
can't just.

Speaker 7 (49:42):
Yet, back in my talks, back in my toxic days.
My ego is the most important thing. Once I know
I've lost, like the love, the ego, I gotta protect
the ego because I can't go out sad like this,
even though no one's watching but God, but.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I am telling Tyler Perrol.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
But what I'm not about to do is I'm not.
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
I can't because of egotistical I have a lot of pride.
So there's just certain things like it doesn't matter what
the fuck I want to do, you are not catching
me outside acting like that absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Does not affect the joy.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Pride can turn on you in that way too, though,
because pride can be good in that instance of like,
I'm not even dealing with this shit. I got too
much pride to do with the psycho. Also, pride can
be I'm not letting this psycho get one up on
over me. I let's go play in the mud.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yeah no, no, no, you don't want to play in the mud.
You have to determine what the what the stakes are,
and what the win is. Like in any situation, you
should ask yourself, what's.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
The win here?

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Like worst case scenario, this best case scenario. That worst
case scenario is pretty bad. It's probably for the best
that you just leave that alone. Yeah, you're sing gospel?
Yeah our Instagram? Yeah, I mean I don't. I hope
you guys aren't speaking this over me, because that's gonna
be a really irritating conversation because the last time this
happened was actually happened with the podcast because we were
talking about this god of splitting the bill conversation.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
Which we will never be free of, we will never
be to look at shackles.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
I had never experienced it, Like I still haven't experienced
it myself, but I like didn't even know this was
like a real thing, splitting the bill. Yeah, I mean
it's just since I don't know's it still is very
confusing to me, Like it doesn't make any offense, but.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Niggas is stumbling to pick that check up.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
But Joy, like yo, I got gott It's unimaginable.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Have you ever have you ever reached like pump fake
reached for the.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Bill for us for a like very clear date.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah No, never even pump fake for what just to
see just to kind of test where he was at
a date.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
No, I've done it in my relationship.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
And then like when you're in a relationship, we're not
talking about in a relationship.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
I'm talking about like you or like.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
You said, let's go to dinner tomorrow, I.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Want to take you to dinner, And then you think.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
We're splitting the bill the bill.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
No, that's crazy because also it's like if I, like say,
I was like, yeah, like I want to talk to
you guys about like some business shap let's like go
to dinner. I asked you like I'm going to pay
for it and write it off obviously, but like.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Because they'll do that and still expect us to pick
up the bill.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
And you no, no, no, no, No one's raised right, But
I don't want to get too splaining bill conversations.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
But I just couldn't believe it was like a real
thing that people were like, house are doing.

Speaker 6 (52:20):
Oh yeah, And it happened to my girlfriend and I
told a story on the podcast. And people still bring
this shit up to me, like people still bring it
up to me. A young man walked up to me
at an event and he was like, you know, I
got to ask you, like, are you serious about the
splitting the bill conversation? And I was like, can I
just have a follow up before I answer you? Like
how old are you? And he was like, I'm twenty four?

(52:43):
I said, baby, I'm I'm thirty eight years old. Yeah,
be worried about nothing I'm doing. Like, with all due respect,
you have so much more life to live. You and
I will never be in that situation. I wouldn't do
that to you now unless.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
But he should.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Also, I'm striking four, which I'm out of the business
of doing.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
So.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
You used to trick the Flying Woman, be tricking.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
I'll be trying to tell y'all Joyne was tricking joy
cut the ship, Like, how I missed this?

Speaker 5 (53:09):
You tricked so much tricks.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
Wow, I'm retired. I will not be doing that no more.
But yeah, for sure it's fun something.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
What's the most expensive thing?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah, but what's the tricking and what's the.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Most two part question, what's the most expensive item you bought?
And then what's the most amount of just cash or wire.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
That you gave? Joe Ain't never wiring no nigga, no money.
I'm not. I'm not buying that, joy, it was your
own management.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Joey, you wired a man money before? Haircut money or
like wiring a nigga haircut money as cute like cute?

Speaker 6 (53:46):
You can't How is that recre Why are you talking like.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Officially?

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Or do you like pay for a wire like I
sent a wire today.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I have to pay for a wire when you hit
a high certain amount of money? Yeah, yeah, okay, but
any type of exchange of.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Fact, I just know that.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Lets you know where she's playing at. Joey, how much
money have you sent the man before?

Speaker 6 (54:08):
I mean, this isn't really fair like in a relationship, laship,
in a relationship, off the rip, off the rip, because
off the rip, I don't do okay.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Okay, all right, any trick in relationship women can men
can't explain? Wait, let Joe, because this is a lot
going on.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
Joy, let me say this. I'm exaggerating the trick part
of it.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Okay, Okay, these.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Are these are black magic cameras.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Okay, So if you like, if you are like support someone,
is that tricking?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (54:45):
Okay, then yeah guilty.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Support like pay rent?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah you pays ballot Hall of fame.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
Trick is that.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
You paid a man's rent before that's first ballot, like consistently,
like the person that has their speech ready before or they.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Yoda this month and I ain't got to enjoy your
my check coming the next month.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Baby? Can you hold me down?

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Like? Well, I am through the mattress he was putting.
I'm trying to way around there, dude, this account if you.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Live there, Okay, that's tricky, that's tricky for the trick. Yeah, no,
if you live if you live there, doesn'tcount. If you
paid the whole rent, I don't know count No, But
but that's your girlfriend.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
What do you mean it's not my boyfriend?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Hell?

Speaker 6 (55:36):
Oh yeah, well did he like cook take care of
the kids, like you know what's like?

Speaker 5 (55:40):
I don't have not one child.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
I don't have not.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Child earn his keep.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yes he did, Okay, I don't know if that's trick
and per se and what's your keep?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
No?

Speaker 6 (55:56):
No, no, like I I've I've definitely, I've definitely tricked before.
But you know, like this is why, like the dynamics
of a relationship are so complicated, like what what a
woman should do, what a man should do. That's why
the splitting the bill conversation is so funny to me,
because then, like you guys are everything is an absolute
on the internet.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
I will not pay for a first day.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Like the ones saying that or the one's doing it right,
like I don't.

Speaker 6 (56:19):
It's not even about like principle of like I'm a woman,
I shall not pay.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
It's like I'm a busy person circumstances.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
I take myself to rich Auntie Mashtro's dinners when I
want to. So if you were gonna come to me
and ask me for a night of my life, like
when you think about the times that you've spent with people,
like you gave them a day of your life, that's
fucking crazy. Like one day you'll be on your deathbed
hopefully and you'll be looking back like damn that motherfucker
got eight.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Hours from me.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
Crazy, I could use that right now, That's how I
look at times. So if I'm going to have a
dinner with you, like I'm gonna sit across from you,
listen to you, and you have asked me to do this,
I think it's respect full that you pay for it. Now,
if you're twenty one years old and you guys are
just starting dating, you're just starting your careers, Like.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
That's a different conversation.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
You know, you're talking about this, why you dates who
has like businesses and three full time jobs and an assistant? Like, no,
what do you mean why would I be Why would
I pay for you to eat food?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Right?

Speaker 5 (57:19):
I could have just.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Uber eats and filled them and watched Mobland Like that's
not This is not a good use of my time.
And I just think it's more about respect than anything else.
It's not even about like gender roles.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, no, it makes sense, and you're definitely talking to
the wrong people because we definitely believe in men paying
for dates.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
So they paid for my food ship as they should.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah, I never understood why that was even like a
conversation or debate on Twitter, Like, but even I think
it's just started founding.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Like other people even when I was broke up. That's
but that's okay, It's okay. Yeah, I've been broke. We've
all been broke. But if you are broke, why are
you Why are you bothering?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Why are you hungry?

Speaker 6 (57:55):
No, hunger is understandable, but why are you worried about me?
And like this, I wasn't worried about paying for other
people's food or not paying for food when I was
when I was broke. I think it's in general though,
Like I I feel like this is a little bit
of a call back to I just I need to
feel feminine, you know, like I just just there's not

(58:17):
a whole lot men can.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
Do for me.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
I always say, like all a man can do for
me is love me. That doesn't require money. Like, it's
about intentionality. So it's really not about like are we
going to the nicest restaurant, which is nice and I appreciate,
Like I don't know how much.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
We go to some good hood spots too though, yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
Or that too, but like that too, like take me
somewhere that is intentional, like this is a spot I like,
like whatever into her work?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Yeah, you like framp shrimp, just the best frost shrimp
in other Right, let's go.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
That sounds like that sounds like actually a more interesting
time than going to a super expensive restaurant.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Are you good in that? Because we might not make
your gad out first wives, we might not get out
of it's like little survival to keep the call, keeping
the call run.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
You might not get it.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Took me to your oppos hood to get a shrimped. Yeah,
get your journey.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
There's a lot of like gender wars going on.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Right, they get clicks, but I gets stupid. Before we
let you go, I want to ask, because I have
never been tricked on. Outside of what Demara said as
far as the mattress, I don't want to get in
that world. How do I approach a woman and ask
her how to trick on.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
Me phone calls? I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
She wasn't tricking on me. She was probably probably needed
some money.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
They always do.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
How do I get a woman? How do I approach
a woman in the tricking situation?

Speaker 5 (59:37):
So you want to you want a trick.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I've never been tricked on.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Crazy questions, so you want to trick, but you ain't
see this quest so you want to.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Cause I'm not a trick, at least by my standards.
I don't think I'm a trick, but I do pay
four things.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
Whether you want to be tricked on or you want
to be a trick.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I don't want to be a trick. I've never been
a trick. I want a girl to trick on me.
It's never happened. Oh how do I go about doing that?

Speaker 3 (59:58):
This show?

Speaker 5 (59:59):
You don't. You don't have this rival anxiety to to
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
To go through the mental gymnastics accepting.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
You know, I don't think you're built for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Oh yeah, I don't want to. You don't like to bed.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Yeah, you don't. It's not all be integraded.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
You don't like being bothered enough first, like you wouldn't
be able to give what was necessary for someone.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
There's a certain level of like humility, okay, required for
what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
We can leave it at that, I know anything.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
That's a gentle way of saying it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
Yeah, Joy, Please tell everybody the name of your podcast
and where they can listen to it too personal.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
You can subscribe on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
And listening to all the crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Platforms and follow that to Personal show and we do.
We do a voicemail or advice segment to Number two Personal,
which is really fun. Actually, our episode this week is
with Clarsa Shields. She's amazing the champ. She was great,
so love talking to her.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
And mh, I'm gonna call leave a voice mann me
how we ain't gonna know?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
As you, I would say, we should leave one as
a pod.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
You change change your voice right now.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
Yeah, And you can watch Speak on FS one weekdays
with myself and Keishon Johnson and Paul Pierce.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
We have a good time.