August 3, 2025 • 50 mins
This week on New Rory & Mal we hit on the Tea app's data breach, Rory and Mal get the 9-spot on this year's Complex Hip Hop Media Power Rankings, Demaris and Mal debate if the show "Martin" was colorist, and Jade Cargill stops by before her championship match at SummerSlam #volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
But speaking of the girl whose birthday just passed, this
is the girl that put me onto the TAPP.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
She put me into Marason to the tap.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
I keep hearing about this TAPP shit.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
So a couple of months ago, right, I was trying
to figure out if a man that I was entertaining
was gay or if he was a.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Serial Is that the one you showed me a picture
of And I said, yeah, he's gay.
Speaker 6 (00:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I was trying to figure out if he was gay
or a serial killer because he was too perfect, something
had to be wrong.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Definitely gay.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
So I was.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So I was talking to her and she was like, well,
have you heard of the t APP. I'm like no,
She's like, we know that. You go on there and
what she painted to me as it's like they'll tell
you if like a man is and if he's if
you should stay away from him, like if he's a
rapist or if he's like a murderer, a killer or
he's creepy, like it'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I don't know if he was a killer, yeah, okay,
red flag like he just came home.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
No for real, one of the people on there, it's
like he just came home for murdering his wife. He did,
he got time served like ship like that. So I'm like, you.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Got tom served. Okay. So I'm like, so that's what.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It was painted to as painted to me as so
I'm like, okay, this is such a great app like
a warm woman against like horrible men and stuff like this. Now,
over the weekend it blew up and was like people
were on there, like year, girl, he got girlfriend, he'd
be cheating on his girlfriend, his dick wag.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Just slow down because I want you to get there,
but don't act like me. And you did not search
my name Maul's name.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We did everybody. We fucking knew his name.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
He showed us that you're not on it.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We are not on that tea app whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
One of our homemianes.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, there was somebody that was on there.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
I was like, damn, one of our homies is on there.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Not for like doing no like foul rapey shit.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
They just said he keeps cheating on his girlfriend. That
shit ain't right.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
But oh that's that's man ship. But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But yes, once this girl introduced Amarson I to this app,
we searched peege I'm searched shopped.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
We found we didn't find I'm sorry. We searched for you,
we didn't find you. I'm sorry, yes, did we because
maybe we should double chet.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So wait, this app is just for women all over
the world. Country.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Now you could put a zip code a whole area,
like she shares her location with that app, so she
could just hit her location.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Okay, Okay, people in the area, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's like dick yell Okay.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
But it wasn't originally for that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It was it was for the protection of women. I mean,
I don't know if t Apple will say this, but
it same way only fans. A lot of that to
do with certain women and sex work and things like that,
to make sure whatever you're doing is safe with the
people that you're meeting up with. So then it spread, okay,
and Demerius, you can take it from here. After that breach,
I just want to make it clear.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Yeah, he was squeaking clean on that ship and.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
Anything after this one because we talked about Yeah, they
they started just it stopped becoming about safety and started
just becoming about quote unquote gossip, and so it blew up.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Niggas was getting mad. They're like, what if we did
this for women? Ah, y'all did. It was called group chats,
but they were just so everything. Everybody was so angry
because people were, you know, exposing like oh I went
on a date with him and his dick was whack.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Or he's hairy or his butt stinks like.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It was just ship like that.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That's what on this app talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yes, and they can give you people can give you
red flags or green flags, YadA YadA.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
So yeah, it spread out.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
There was a huge dady, Yeah, they put a picture
of your face. There was a huge data breach where
so some people, I guess were uploading their license because
when you when you sign up, you have to verify
that they need a record of you being who you are. Right,
So for example, when I sign up a couple months
ago to find out if that man was a murderer,
I used my photo.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I didn't use my ID.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Some people were using their ID and then there was
a data breach, so then all of those people's IDs
and selfies became public when the app is actually supposed
to delete them the moment they have them, but you know,
the moment you take them or whatever and they verify,
but you know that doesn't ever work out, like that
so huge data breach. Everybody's like, ah, that's what y'all get.
Y'all are fucking stupid for signing up to this app.
And I'm just like, if the app was being used
(04:26):
for what it was originally created for, I understand why
an app like that exists, and I'm grateful that in
an app like that exists, But to make it just
about like personal like stupid shit, it's just shit.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
When we were looking on the app with her, all
of that shit was legitimately about like whether that man
was safe or not, like it wasn't on some of
it's dick was whack or like. It was really about safety.
So once that shit, because how long ago do you
think that was?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That she showed U set.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Up a couple months ago?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Seven years ago?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
You know that seven?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
No, but there was a couple top of June. It's okay,
you can tell the truth of Michael. I don't care
unless you're trying to right before the pandemic top of June.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Top of June.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, when we were looking at that, I mean, whatever
her settings were were just for safety. Yeah, because because
once I saw this ship go off, I was like, oh,
that was the app that Shorty showed us.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
So is there an app like this for guys, Like
so we can know that the women that.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
We would get arrested if we had an app like that?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Why because double standards exist to see if that I
agree with, Like that's true, Rob me. Yeah, yeah, men
couldn't have that app. We wouldn't have We would never
be allowed to have that.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
But that is so crazy. Women do crazy shit too.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, I agree, No, I think men should be able
to have their ta app. I'm just saying in this society,
we would get smoked for having that app.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I mean, to be fair, women are get are getting
smoked for having that app right now too.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
So well, Also the irony t app Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Also irony of the entire thing because I don't really
agree with how that app ended up being because it
ended up being gossip ship. But it is kind of
funny that a t app designed to protect women ended
up having all of their addresses out there. Jesus, like
that was that was the irony of the entire thing
because all the women that use their IDs their addresses.
(06:16):
But it turned into some gossipy ship like listen, dick
YELP was fucked up but at least it was called
dick Yelp. We knew what type of time it was.
The t app was really started to help and protect women.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, they was wrong for putting me on that app.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
They said incredible things about you. You remember the things
they said about me. No, it's fucked up they put
me on. I said, I used the hardy R and
tried to do slave cosplay with it. Oh, it's fucked
up that everyone found out that you're a huge dick.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You're a great lover.
Speaker 9 (06:50):
Oh guy, Oh my god, how they are you? Poor guy?
They said that I do slave cosplay and the only
way I can fuck is if I use the already R.
You poor gentlemen. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
I forgot they said that about you, damn and the
only thing on dick Yelp I had.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, damn, my bad, bro, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Do slave cosplay exactly, Rory, because I'm a history but he.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Dresses up like Leonardo DiCaprio Da Django, really in the history.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And she didn't realize that if we continued on with it,
everyone going to be free, everybody.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
She didn't let the story go along, all right, please,
It starts out bad but it ends in the beauty.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It ends with.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
All right, all right, okay.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It ends on.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Y'are not about to tell on Dick yelp.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It's okay.
Speaker 9 (07:47):
If somebody makes up some ship that I'm going slave playing,
I can't talk about the ship.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
It ends on us. That's where it ends on June
teeth is when the story is.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Shown.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
You some real startled. No, they didn't see your vision, man,
they didn't see your vision. Oh my god, holy ship.
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
All right?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Is there anything before we do get to voicemails? Is
there anything we need to cover here?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Anything?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Music?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Oh, Destiny, Child of Reunion.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I kind of don't either.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Man, Why because I would have I would have spent
my last.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Dollar or fly to Vegas to go see that ship.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I would have for that add me to the t
I what you need from me?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
What's funny?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I would have You would have sold cat for the
tickets right there.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
After we left recording on Thursday, which the episode came
out on Friday. Listen, man number nine and what are we?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, listen, bro, I'm telling you todays I enjoy your
like actual genuine reaction to days.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I was actually like a pretty big deal and malls
just like, I.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Totally forgot it. I didn't know what the hell y'all
were clapping that, but okay, got it. Now, I'm one
boy got it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I was extremely late to pick my daughter up from
daycare on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I ran out of here and then my.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Phone started buzzing while I was waiting for my car
at the garage, so I called Peage. I said, that
fucking Complex list came out. How did they slight us?
That was my exact thing, because I'm pessimistic.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I just know, yea, the worst.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We already knew what tom it was. We appreciated thirteen
last year. That's when we made our amends with Complex.
That's kept saying the greatest platform, greatest platform I've ever
seen in my entire When we were thirteen, I was like,
is there anyone greater than No? I don't agree that
my album shouldn't have been on the top of Now
you put us at thirteen year like everything's cool?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Black ball what? I was just so good?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I got white balls, So I didn't even care.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I just felt like I had this feeling in my
stomach that Karesha was going to be number one this year.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Let it go, let it It's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Why is it that I wanted to see where Karesha
was before? We were like, tell me where Karesha. Don't
tell me where New Roya Ma is.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
That she didn't even have any episodes this year.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I know, number one, that's why you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I was like, oh, the pup Child's gonna be like yo,
just her influence being quiet was the number one thing,
so I.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Assumed that she was number one. She was not on
the list.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
We ended up being at number nine.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Congrats to everybody in here, Josh Page, Demris, the whole
entire crew volume, thank.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You for everything that you guys do. We made this
number nine man.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, thank you the Complex for the uh, you know,
the write up. Once again, what's.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
That guy's name, Jordan Jordan?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Did I write up Jordan?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Thank you Jordan Jordan, though, but please don't ever referred
to me as the Drake.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Whisper again in your life. That's all.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Thank you for the lovely, lovely other everything other than that,
thank you. It was something else he said, and I
was like, wait, what, let's pull it up read some
something some.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Words that Jordan had in it. I was like, yo, wait,
hold on, look at.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What happens even when you make top ten of a
list that you still have cripes. No, no, no, just
it was just some of the we'll never make us whole.
It was some of the wording that I just didn't like.
That's all, just some of the wording. Yeah, rorya Maul
on the Rise.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
After they being on this is last year, they've crept
into the top ten on the Rise. On the Rise
thanks to the fact that, thanks to the fact that
their platform has come more than just a place to
react to music, it's now making news of its own.
Ovio mall his lean to tay his connections, emerging as
something of a something of a I'm nothing of a
Drake whisperer.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And by the way, you can't quote yourself. I can't know,
I'm saying George, like, who called you the drake whisper?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
He did, He's the only one when he gually dropped
that Drake had a bomb on Iceman in and went
into a frenzy. He later clarified that it wasn't another desk,
just that there was a hit coming to their credit
Rory mal are in on the jokes and they find
ways to have fun with the reputation. On the one
year University of the Kendrick Wister, Drake beef Mall went
head to head with West Coast counterpart DJ Head. I
like how you did that, and at first take style
(12:16):
debate with Rory Damaras got in a discussion. It was
one of the most entertaining podcasts episodes of the year.
You may not agree with all that takes, and maybe yes,
Mare takes the overeal glazing.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
That's what I didn't like, the.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right right great, something like what is beautiful Jordan Rose?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Beautiful right up?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Other than that a little too far, but perhaps for
the duo for pasistently finding new and created ways to
stay entertaining Jordan Rose and everyone in the complex.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Thank you, yeah, thank you, Jordan. I think that was great.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't know man as much as like I do
appreciate this type of ship lists like.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Don't need that much to you or in general, they.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Don't validate anything per se, Like I think the list
they put together is cool and fair, but there was
plenty of people that were left off that list that
I felt should be on. There that like it was cool,
Like I appreciate people even hitting me up, like yo,
number nine is big, Like even if you don't care
about list shit, that's that's big top top ten hip
hop media. That that means something grateful, appreciating it. Think
(13:18):
it's great for when you have a partner like Volume.
They like to see that shit. People like to see
that type of stuff. But shit going through the list.
My biggest ripe last year was that Bootleg keV was
not higher. He went lower this year, and I feel
like BOOTLEGKEV has been smoking shit.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Honestly, to be fair, I didn't look at Peach. I
think I was here with Peage and he had pulled
up the power rankings, and once he showed me where
we landed, I really didn't look at the rest of
the list, honestly, So I don't know who landed where,
who is or isn't on the list. But either way,
you know, lists are are cool, and you know it
(13:57):
kind of puts things into you know, put there somewhat compartmentalize,
and you know it's good to have conversations and things
like that. But anybody that didn't make the list, you know,
don't feel bad that you didn't. Don't think that you're
not doing the work or not doing good work because
you didn't make the list.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
We've been left off when I knew we should have
been on it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yeah, it happens, man, it happens.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But that doesn't mean as counterparts, we can't bring up
those type of people, Like I feel bag Fuel has.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Been smoking shit, shut out the bag field. If you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
People that it's hip hop media, right, and I think
they covered a lot of basis. I think streamers that's
still hip hop media. And we'll get to the cord
thing after this. But what bag Fuel has been doing
under what they said as their definition in the article,
how are they not in a top twenty five of
everything bag Fuel has been doing. Gina not being on
(14:50):
that list is fucking crazy to me.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
But the her and Head show, it's both of them though, correct? Yeah,
but so what did had made the list? I'm show,
Yeah he did, so why weren't both of them?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
But then also Elliott made it?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
And here's my thing, I think Jeremy should have been
on this list because everything Jeremy has done outside of
Head Elliott and his show, he's been smoking shit on
the solo side.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I feel like more than anyone on.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That shows, there's Jeremy clips every single week of what
he's doing on his own.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think Jeremy should have been on that list.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I think it was the bars On I I A
five that kind of.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
First of all, it was just incredible show.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Oh it wasn't bars On I five. Oh sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
First of all, if Jeremy drove to Connecticut to get
them bars off he left LA I.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Thought it was because Jeremy was on just incredible that,
you know, they kind of kept them off the list.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
They wasn't feeling his bars.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I mean, I just feel by their standards, everything he's
been doing, he should have been there.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah. I think that.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
You know, again, these lists are cool and we're grateful,
thank you the Complex. But to anybody that didn't make it,
or people feel like they should be ranked higher, whatever, whatever,
listen to everybody, just continue doing good work, good work
in the space, good work for hip hop. I think
at some point another we all need and feed off
of each other in the space. You know, whether it's competitive,
(16:15):
whether it's you know, because we don't like each other,
whether it's because we don't think that you know, this
person's work is good or whatever whatever, So you want
to kind of work harder so you can kind.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Of get these people out the way. Whatever it may be.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Let's just continue to keep doing good work and keep
putting hip hop first in this space that we're in,
because that's that's really what matters at the end of
the day.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I agree with you, and I love all that positivity,
but nah, I'm here for a messy.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Mood, are you? Are you okay? Go ahead, get messy?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, no, I'll start with positivity. Black Boy Max at
number four, I can make a case that he should
be higher. I love everything black Boy's been doing his
entire series of in the booth of like actually having
rappers come in there and make music in real time
on stream. That to me is the definition of hip
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hop media and not streaming gossip bullshit. If we're doing
hip hop media, you could make a case that plat
Boy Max is one or two in that regard. If
we're talking about hip hop media. Everything that we're doing
here is for hip hop. I think he should be higher.
He wasn't even on it last year, but I guess
that just speaks to the year that he's had. He
went from not on the list at all to number four,
(17:28):
So I agree with that. The Kai thing is what
I saw stirred up a lot of conversation. Does Ky
belong number one on a streamer list? I don't think
there's anything to debate there. Numbers are real?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Is Ki hip hop media?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
He's from the Bronx that's hip hop, so it is
Ralph Lauren holos hip hop? I mean KYB, But you
know he has he has his things, his moments, of
his hip hop moments. That's not his focus. So I
can see why people may fill away at him being
(18:09):
number one.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Based off the standards that Complex did give in the
beginning again of the article. I totally understand why Ki
would be there under those circumstances of launching rollouts, of
having moments within hip hop. Yes, I just don't know
if Kai would be deemed a hip hop like streamer. Yes,
(18:35):
he had, he has those moments and they go far
greater than anything that we've ever done numbers wise, But
is that Kai like?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Do people go to Ki for hip hop?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I don't think I think the audience does. I think
it's I think there's some people.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
That may go to him for hip hop.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Absolutely, I think he does an incredible job of taking
in hip hop to the new generation and how the
young kids consume media for sure, and making hip hop
part of his world. But I mean, this isn't hate.
It's actually quite the opposite. I just don't think Kai,
if we're media power players. I think Kai should be
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up there on a Rogan list when you're coming to
that type of thing. But I don't know if if
Kai really came in or ever focused on it being
a hip hop platform. I mean the moment, you know,
we love to see Offset dance with him in the
basement and like all that.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, this ship is great. Is that a hip hop
platform just because Offset happens to be a rapper?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
No, But that's what I'm saying. He's not just hip hop.
He has a lot of some big hip moments.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
You know, he listen to music on the stream when
when the albums drop, when songs drop. So, I mean, yeah,
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Mad at Ky being number I'm fine with I love everything.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Then what is hip hop media? Like? Of course hip
hop media my next question, it changes.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
It's not the the you know, the word up magazine
and it's not that type of thing, And it's not
just the source magazine type of hip hop media style anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Things have changed, things are digital.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Streaming is such a huge part of our culture right
now and the way people receive music.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
So I think this is on brand FAKA to be
number one. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
And I didn't know he was number one until I
think just now, until y'all just told me that.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I seriously did not look at the rest.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Of this list, like I don't know who is what
and where they landed.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, And I mean I guess based off their criteria.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Is to your point, the question I want to ask,
what is hip hop media? Because there should never be
a world where my name is above big boys name
in hip hop media, power players, ever. But if it's
off the criteria of what is actually just happening right
now and how people are finding new ways to revamp
how people consume things.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Then I get it. But putting this together is going
to offend somebody.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, somebody's gonna be offended, just like I was offended.
But thank you, Jordan Roose. I appreciate that. What man.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
When Jordan hit me up for a picture and I'm like, what, man,
what we do now, he was like, it's for the
hip Hop Power rank his list.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You didn't even tell us that? How I found out
on my way to daycare?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Why would I tell y'all that?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But I didn't know what number we were? He didn't
tell me what number we were. He just said that
he was doing the list. So why would I? I mean,
I knew we eventually were going to find out what
number were. I was gonna ask him what number we were,
So I sent him pictures, Yo, Jordan, I sent you
two pictures, man. One of them had me in it, yo,
trying to.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Figure out why? How fuck you went with.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
The one with just for m all?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I said in the post stop, I feel like you
should have been right there.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
You don't have to. That's fine, It's okay. I appreciate that,
but you don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
All right?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Baby? What's soup with your girl?
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Ari?
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Man?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
What'd I do?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What she do?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I've seen the discourse, the discourse. I've seen the discourse
that she kind of rob Are you talking about Ari
Lennox in reference to saying that the jokes about Pam
were anti black? Yes, okay, I don't think that she's
being overly sensitive. She's not the first person to ever
say that that's like been a running like thing. That
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the reason why in a lot of shows back in
those days and some shows now that the sidekick is
always a dark skinned woman and she catches a lot
of jokes. Do I think that people always found Pam
to be fine?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (22:33):
But baby d newsflash, Martin joked on everybody on this
for sure. For sure, even his own even his own
girlfriend for sure. What are we talking about?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
But she's not.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
But what I'm saying is I don't want to make
that a ari think because she's not the first person
to ever bring that up.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Okay, but she's the loudest person to bring it up.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, some people think that there are colorism conversations and
little undersided jokes of like the side the side kick,
the light skinned girl with the black side kick.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
And does colorism exist in television film Hollywood? Absolutely was
Martin being a coloriss towards Pam. He never mentioned her
complexion one time on that show. That's a joke. It
was always her hair. It was always referring to her
as being manly, can't find a man, okay, So it
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was never because you're dark skinned?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So those are all Those are all stereotypes that are
used with dark skinned women, being being masculine, not being
able to keep a man, and being nappy headed. Those
are anti black tropes that are attributed to black to
dark and black women.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
He used to talk about Gina's kitchen two and say
it was big.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
He said her head was because that's a trope against
light skinned women. Light skin women got big ass heads.
That's a that's a trope againstlight skinned women that they
got big four heads. So so everything, that's the moment
you started naming those things. Those are all anti black women,
anti dark skin woman sentiments. So he doesn't have to
mention her color. But those are all things that society
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has attributed to dark skinned women. Are you see what
I'm saying? So I do get that everybody knew Pam
was fine, Like everybody well, if you knew, you knew.
But back in those days, light skinned women were herold
did as the thing like you need the light skinned
wife or the light skinned girlfriend, and then you got
the dark skin side chick. And I'm gonna call her
nappy headed manly and say she can't keep a man.
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She's not pulling that out of her ass like, that's
not something she pulled out of her.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
She's not the first person to say that.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I can see what was the complexion of miss Claire
Huxtable on The Cosby Show.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
She was bro skin.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
But that's also Jamie Foxx.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
First of all, she Claire Huxtable is my color. She
bare she barely brown? Is that barely Brownnold is your complexion.
She is a little bit dark.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Arnold is your complexion.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
It's a little bit darker than me.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Arnold is your complex.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Okay, we can agree to disagree your.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Complain, but yeah, what I'm saying is brownskinned women.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
The first mom in Fresh Prince.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Was a brown skin and they got rid of her
and got replaced with a skin.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Which was the craziest move.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
But I'm saying the original character was casted as a
brownskin black woman. I'm just again this victim mentality thing.
We got to move past it because if we just
look at the landscape, black women, brownskin women have been
represented on every level for years.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
They have.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Now you can point out instances where maybe and that's cool,
but it's like, okay, but maybe just this actress was
better than the brownskin actress and that's why she was
casted here or not.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
What happened with Fresh Prince then they all came out.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I'm not saying I'm not told about Fresh Prince specific.
I'm just saying the original mom in Fresh Prince was
casted as a brownskin black woman.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
So again, when they made a change, of course, it
was weird. We all recognized that that was crazy. It
was like, y'all couldn't even go cast another brown like
a brown skin, darker skinned woman that y'all got a
lighter skinned woman like to not even try to, like,
you know, kind of fool us a little bit. Y'all
just completely just made a shit. Okay, cool, But what
I'm saying is brownskinned women have always been represented in television.
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When you go back to Good Times, all of these shows, Like, so,
my thing is, how do we get to a first
of all comedy number one where jokes is gonna be cracked?
That's number one, Martin. It's not like Martin is a
white man playing this role and he's cracking on his
wife's best friend, who's a brown skinned woman. He's a
black man, but he's cracking on everybody. Yes, all of
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his friends got it. They all anytime they walk through
the door. It's jokes. We can't turn this into yo.
This was It made me feel a way and we
all laughed. We all still laugh.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Nobody.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Have you ever want you? I'm just talking about you.
Never mind with the intern of the saying. Have you
ever once watched Martin and felt like what he said
depend was appropriate?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Not as far as being inappropriate?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, but I'm very aware of tropes against black women,
but we all are.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I'm talking about this specific Martin.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
The show with Martin and Pam's and Pam's character on
his character, Maam, did you ever watch that and feel like, yo,
he kind of going crazy on Pam?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No, and it's only because she dars skinned. It's not
about that. It's about he would the things that he
said to Pam. Even if he wasn't in a if
the actresses were switched and Gina was somehow the best friend,
or that Gina had another light skinned best friend, the
jokes would not have been that they were mainly can't
keep a man in nap beheaded? Those would not have
been the jokes. They would have still got joked on,
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but those wouldn't have been the jokes.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
But he's made nappyheaded jokes about Gina before.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
She might have said something about like, oh, like you
need to straighten your hair or something like there's something
like that. But even that in itself is anti black.
Just because he's saying it to a light skinned woman,
it's still anti black women. Like making comments about black
women's hair is anti black. Now, I'm not vilifying Mark
because that we we're much more aware of these things
these days. But just because nobody was talking about it
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back then doesn't mean that people can't look back and
peep it. We look back on old TV shows all
the time and peep shit that was like, Oh, that
was a little crazy. Doesn't mean anybody deserves to be
canceled or anything like that. No, but Ari just came
out and said that she felt some type of way
about that because those are anti black women tropes.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
There's nothing really it.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Makes sense if that's coming from somebody who's not a
black man.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But that's like saying black people can't be colorless. Then
that's not true because we're we're the worst at it.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
White people. It's just you, you a nigga, I'm tetting
dark skin you.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I'm talking very specific to Martin Lawrence here, But because
we know that he wrote on the show, we know
that a lot of it was improv we know that
a lot of it was him throwing his comedy into it.
So do we think that Martin Lawrence is a colorist,
because that's what we would be saying here.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think that throughout I think that throughout the it's not.
I don't think it's as black as black and white
as that. I think that colorism has been so embedded
in our society that somebody might not be a bad
person for having for contributing stereotypes to different colors and
different shades of black, because that's just so embedded in
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our society. The same way that dark skinned women are
automatically labeled as aggressive more aggressive, and white skinned women
are labeled as softer, even if no one says it
out loud, this has been a societal thing for forever.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
It's embedded in society.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
It's an automatic thought, and unless you're super hyper aware
of the things that you're thinking in the way that
you're moving, you wouldn't even know because it's just always
been like that.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
So I understand what Ari is saying.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I don't think it's specific to Martin, and I didn't
get offended by what was going on.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
In I don't think nobody has everything.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's but like I said, she's not the first person
to bring that up about Martin.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
There is nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
There is nothing manly about Tashina Arnold, nothing manly about her.
That's why it's called a joke. Yeah, but this is
the thing. Why would that joke even be made?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
But because that's his best, that's his girlfriend's best, that's
what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
He was light skinned, he would never have called her.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
But you're not doing that. But that's just what it is.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
That's not what it is. That's what they're trying. That's
what they're trying to make it. That's what is trying
to make it and paint it as. But that's not
what it is. Like that, and that's what the victim
mentality ship it has to. We can't we can't do
that to Marrow, Lawrence and and and and the legendary
show that is Martin. We cannot do that because we
know that that's not what it was, and that's not.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
How do you know that though that's what I'm saying.
You said, you know, how do you know that the marriage.
We've watched this show.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
It's been syndicated reruns for years, it's on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Nobody has ever watched it and said, yo, I ain't
gonna lie.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
He going crazy on Pam And it's only because she
she brown.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Skin, But that's because you weren't.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
You weren't really looking for it, and you wouldn't be
the victim in that like you wouldn't be.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
The That don't mean I can't see the victim and
know that it's some some colorism shit is going on
because I'm not the victim.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
But what I'm saying is that show came out years ago.
First of all, we can end this conversation because we're
not gonna agree, then that's fine. But I just think that,
like I said, nobody's calling Martin.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, I'm not calling Martin a bad person. I just
think that again, colorism is so embedded in our society
that half the time we don't even notice it when
it pops up.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
And I also think that colorism is so embedded in
our society that we call something colorism when it's not.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Okay, That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I think that is so throughout history, Black Throughout history,
darker skin, darker brown, and darker skinned women have been
labeled as ugly, as manly and aggressive and nappy headed.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Those are all colorists tropes.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
So if they pop up in jokes back in the day, yeah,
the same way niggas used to call darker skinned people
African booty scratchers. These things were real, like this, this happened,
but back in the day we were not as sensitive
to it. But that doesn't make it like less real.
Light skin girls have always been labeled as prettier and
more attractive and softer.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
That's real. They have studies on shit like that.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
That is real.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying here in this instance,
it's not real. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Do you think that you think that Martin Lawrence in
the nineties and the nineties, you think that he was
above being affected by society's tropes. You think that he
was just way but beyond that, you don't think that
society affected him in his writing at all.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I'm not going to stay at all. No, I don't
think him no the same. First of all, have seen
the Auto and Tisha Campbell are like best friends of
real life. They've done multiple movies together, so like they
were cast it probably because they have a history, Like
I think mar I think they've all done movies before
this together when they were all in the same movie.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So do you think it's possible that the same person
that has a stereotypical trope on his show named Shane,
is that her name?
Speaker 6 (32:58):
You don't think that.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That person.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Who created that character is capable of having a little
bit of.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Colorism in their jokes even purpose I'm not saying he's
not capable of having colors jokes. I'm saying I don't
think that that was Martin's point and that was his
thought process.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Oh, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I don't think so either, because what I'm saying is
it's embedded.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Sometimes we do.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Sometimes we have stereotypes in our head that because we
were raised on it, we don't even think about it.
It's not us intentionally being racist or being colorists or anything.
These are things that this was the way the world
was when we were raised. So there's some things we
just don't think about. I don't think he was intentionally
trying to be harmful because she was dark skinned I
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think those were automatically the jokes he went to because
that's what people have always said about dark skinned women.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
It's the easy, low hanging fruit, That's what I'm saying.
But again, we don't have to we can agree to disagree.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I understand people's point in saying that, you know there
can be a victim mentality with that, And I also
understand ours point because he's not the first dark skinned
girl to have ever said that. She's not the first
person to bring up the fact that there was obviously
a clear difference in between the light skin girl and
the dark skinned girl on that show.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
And also, I think if you ask the actors and
the actresses.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Even though they're all cool with each other, and the writers,
I think they can understand where those tropes come from too,
because I'm sure they've experienced that in Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I would love to hear from Tshina Arnold about that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, I would love to hear from her too. I
doubt she'd speak on it, but she would speak on it.
Why wouldn't she.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I think she would put it to bed very quickly, like, no,
that's not what the energy was. I never once felt
like that. I think if to Sina Arnold felt like
that slightly, that would have disappeared.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
From But again, I don't think that he was doing
it intentionally.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Or whether he was or he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I'm saying if she felt like that at some point
in the whole Martin world, she would have said something
to writer.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
She would have come out and said it. We would
have heard her talk about it. Now that years.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Passed, the show is over, I'm sure she would have
said something about it, And maybe she did. I could
be ignorant to and never saw her speak about it.
But I'm just saying I've never seen it.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I've never heard it.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
The first time I've ever hearing anybody speak about their
character's dynamics and saying, you know, bring the whole colorism
thing and you know this state of third I just
think that victim mentality is real. Colorism is real, and
I think we just got to find the spots where
we know for sure that's what that is. But if
it's not, which I don't think Martin is. I don't
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think that was a colorism thing. I don't think that
that was on his mind. I don't think that was
a part of the energy of the show. I just
think that was the best friend of my girlfriend, and
you know, you know how the relationships are with your girl,
your best friend's boyfriends, Like he don't like you, You
don't like him.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
You don't think he's good enough for your girl.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
He think that you're the single friend who will be
trying to have her out in the face of other
guys and think it's that dynamic. You come in the crib,
It's like, yo, what you what's up? What you want?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Like, I don't think it was because she was brown
skin Like, I just don't. I don't. I don't get
that yet.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You said that you obviously dealt with the MLB world.
How has your husband been dealing with the wrestling world.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
At first, he didn't want me to do it at all,
like at all. It was just like even my mom
was like, why.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Do you want to do that?
Speaker 8 (36:16):
You want to hurt yourself? Go model, go do something.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
A mom don't understand, like why.
Speaker 10 (36:22):
Would you want to You got to hurt yourself. And
I'm like, don't put that energy out there. I'm not
going to hurt myself. Yeah, there's something else you could do.
Why did you want to do that? My mom didn't understand.
He was more so like for what, Like, you know,
I met him when I was twenty two. I wanted
to be a child psychologist.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
I did that.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
He was just like.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Why Yeah.
Speaker 10 (36:42):
So then I went to the triad and it all went great,
and then he was like, oh, this is about to
get real. I said, yeah, it's about to get real.
This is what I'm going to do. But he didn't
want me to do it at all. And now he's
seen how much work that I've put in.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
He's proud of me.
Speaker 10 (36:57):
He's like, oh my, oh my gosh, I'm so happy
you stuck with it like I would have never thought you.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Look at the change in emotion yoa doing.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
And then once wife be about to become champion, like listen,
I'm proud you know.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Inside and.
Speaker 8 (37:12):
Mess up your body. I want you to retire with me,
like what are you doing?
Speaker 10 (37:16):
And I'm like, I think what you did was great,
but I want to do something for myself, like I
think I can do this. I can do the child
psychology thing when I'm done with this, if I ever
choose to.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
But I want to.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
Create something that's legendary for our daughter, Like I want
my daughter to say, oh my dad did this, but
I want her to say, but my mom, my mom
did this.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
And that's inspiring to me.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
So he has his career, it's it's different now because
he's like to stay at home dad, and now I'm
the one always gone. So it's a literally upside down
world now.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
With you again speaking speaking it intil existing with you
being champion. What does what do you hope that does
for the little black girls in Florida, New York, California,
just as far as like representing something for them to
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look forward to, say, like she represents greatness, she represents strength.
Storm Is in the studio, it was literally storming. But
what do you what do you? What do you think about?
Or do you think about those little girls that at
home looking at Jade this weekend?
Speaker 8 (38:28):
I do.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
And it's such a fine line with me because I'm
not for kids, like being very real, I'm not for kids.
I'm sexy, I curse, I'm grown, I'm not. I'm just not.
But I do love to hear that I am an
inspiration for little girls who see me.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
They're like, oh, I love how you look.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
Your confidence radiates all this kind of stuff, like I
want to be like you.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
I love it.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Never. I never wanted it.
Speaker 10 (38:56):
Yeah, but I love inspiring little girls that you can
do any and everything with your mind too. I started
this at twenty seven and for a lot of people
that can be late, but I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna give this a shot. I'm gonna give them all.
Let's see who we are. Look where I am now.
And we had somebody like Jazz and Jacqueline who did
these phenomenal things for me and Biyonka and Naomi.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I want I want you to catch close up, Jerry.
Speaker 10 (39:23):
It's great that people see us like these little girls
see us and they know like I can do that,
but yeah, I can do it better, because that's what
we want them to say.
Speaker 8 (39:32):
Just as much as Jazz we looked at Jazz, we
looked at.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Jacqueline, We're like, I want to do that, but I
can do better. I can reach there, and now they
can reach there and the next generation can reach there.
That's all we want to do, create bigger footprints for
the next generation.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Now you have a daughter I do.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Would you be happy if she told you, Mom, I
want to wrestle as a parent right that face?
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Like, how does that?
Speaker 9 (39:57):
You know?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Because now you're your mom now, right, like you do
you say okay and just kind of like cringe on
the inside, but still like, obviously you want her to
do what she wants to do and succeed.
Speaker 10 (40:07):
She's getting a great education first, okay, something she could
fall back on, a trade something first, right, and then
if she wants to pursue wrestling, go at it. I'm
a very supportive mom. I'm like, go at it. I'll
tell her if she's not good or whatever you want
to call it, like, okay, well, let's use that trade.
But as long as she gets a phenomenal education, something
(40:28):
that steady that she can always go back to, I'm
okay with it. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Oh no, I think the way Braun did it with
his son, I think you might have to do.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
That mother daughter in the league at the same time. Listen,
that would be nothing.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
I'm okay, that.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Would be a crazy You can hold that idea.
Speaker 8 (40:46):
You have that one she wanted to start like seventeen.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, yeah, get right to it.
Speaker 10 (40:51):
Man. It's called a bump card, and it goes up
and your body you feel you're twenty two, you'll feel
like you're like thirty five.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
Yeah, it's crazy. It feels really quick.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
So you obviously I feel like this weekend again, Jade
will be champion Rory. She already said that she will
bring the title back. Yes, now, Jade, if Rory and
myself wanted to get into wrestling, like what would we
have to you know.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
Like we have somebody back there, it's like no, because
you know baby d just you know she she mean,
she don't believe in our abilities and she don't think
that we could do it.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
But if me and she gives Bianca, I'll say that, yeah,
like she's definitely. But like if me and Roy wanted
to be tag team champions, well yeah, pause that like
what do we how do we prepare ourselves?
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Like how do we you know, like what is our
first order of business?
Speaker 8 (41:42):
Going to the PC?
Speaker 4 (41:43):
What is the PC?
Speaker 10 (41:44):
It's down Orlando.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
It's a training facility, so.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
We have to train. So what was that about a month?
Speaker 5 (41:50):
We have to train? Yeah, Like I'm thinking we could go.
We can pull up Sunday with Jade bro Like we
can go Sunday and kick some.
Speaker 10 (41:56):
Asks signed some liability for him.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
In case you died? Yeah, oh you die?
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (42:04):
Okay, Yes, it's a lot of things. Okay, okay, yes,
but train, like getting your mind ready. It's not that easy.
It's really not. All these celebrities that come into they
are all training. It's not just walking into the system.
I don't know what the internet.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Paints, but they like two, three, four months.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Initially, Oh right, oh you guys.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah, no, we would need four game years.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I know.
Speaker 10 (42:29):
So when I work with Daniel Bryant, he was telling me, like,
you don't get comfortable until like seven years, Like he
didn't get comfortable until seven years. And I'm four years
and a little bit of change into the game. And
my first match ever was on national TV. So it's
such a weird thing because most people before they get
on TV, they've had a plethora of matches. I didn't
(42:51):
like the world see me as raw as you can
get someone.
Speaker 8 (42:55):
So it would take a while.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
It would take a while.
Speaker 10 (42:58):
But it depends on how athletic you guys like. It
depends on how you.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
Got that back to the.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Tobos still clicking.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
I can still know that three yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Other than that, I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
At one point I was but I have a two
year old.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I got dad, Wait, I need I need a decade
I need a decade for sure. A decade absolutely at
this point. I mean, at least I chased her. My
cardial is gret because I chased a two year old
old time. But the windows up, I'd very much be
easily super left. You'll just put it that way.
Speaker 8 (43:30):
Okay, you'll take the super lex, not give it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
That the wrestling fans gonna kill me on the YouTube comments.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
But with that said, I wasn't even thinking training. I
was more thinking, if we come up with a good name,
is that even worth going to Orlando?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
If we don't have the brand together already, why would
I even train?
Speaker 8 (43:50):
That comes second?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Oh so branding comes after training?
Speaker 8 (43:54):
Yeah, okay, that's how you do at the PC.
Speaker 10 (43:57):
You can come up with stuff, but on the side,
they can have you on the side, but it's it's
your ring of ability as well as.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Coming to that full costume. You know, like the guy
that shows up to the court with all that has
been what are you going to do?
Speaker 8 (44:10):
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Get supplexed.
Speaker 10 (44:13):
I'm trying to like whatever unless as your character to
get suplex to just come out supplex I mean, I
know the Kool Aid managers jumps through.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
N That shit hurt too much. Man, I don't supplex.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Me being the kool aid man. Jumping through would just
being a rag doll wrestling. If you give me the
right check, I would do it. Prices and I'm fine
with it.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Yeah, you're paid a lot of money. You're paid a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Do you roll me into the second? Throw me on
the west side? Gun Jay?
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Do you use any of your I guess your psychology.
Do you use that in your matches at all? Like
does that brain clicking during your matches?
Speaker 10 (44:53):
Just controlling the match, like just trying to stay calm
throughout the match, taking my techniques and breathing and things
of that sort. Because when I was a child psychologist,
I would have to breathe with my kids because they
would get so worked up in situations. And sometimes you
have to think like a kid, and you have to
because when you're doing something, it's like, you know, jittery,
like and anxiety and you're it. You have to calm down.
(45:16):
So I would use breathing techniques, But for the most part, no,
unless it's a kid out there, but all of us
are adults. Like I'm gonna talk to you like an adult, I.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Guess, or that shit way to ship talk.
Speaker 8 (45:27):
Well, I'm just good at that.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
That's a degree for you.
Speaker 10 (45:30):
Yeah, but that's that's something totally different. I was gentle
with people. I talked ship. It's a it's a different
I can mine and mess with you mentally, but it's
a whole different type of game, whole different type of game.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Can we make your playlist to listen to on the
way to the event, Like, can we put together you
already told us who you like to listen to?
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Can we come up like Rory and I come up
with a whole song.
Speaker 8 (45:53):
That you right now off the head?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I mean, I would say, just walk out with Nukie
Buck just like this, if you bring back.
Speaker 10 (46:01):
To two thousand and five, guys, I love Nugget today.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I see I see your Jamaica nails. How can we
get Vibes Cartel to walk out with you?
Speaker 10 (46:09):
I don't know that would be but I feel like, listen,
I would love that, especially for my country.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
I don't think the star tripp and if you see
you losing, he might start tripping.
Speaker 10 (46:24):
Fan base would sit and be like, who is this guy?
Speaker 8 (46:27):
And that would like just to me.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
That would be cool, Like I think that was cool
with bringing that culture into wrestling, like that makes you
so unique of I've even seen like what like West
Side Gun and Diza and Wile and everyone have done
with hip hop and.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Wrestling, like where dance hall can't do the same.
Speaker 8 (46:48):
It gets weird. It's weird.
Speaker 10 (46:50):
It's a very like wrestling. Wrestling fans are very hard.
I wouldn't say they're hard to please, but they like
their community.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
First of all, he said, spit on me, step on
my Yeah, their heart. The police, they're they're very.
Speaker 9 (47:03):
Hard.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Step on my face.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
That's a hard person of police.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
They're not after him. How do you follow that? I
just want to be like his two people down.
Speaker 8 (47:14):
I was like, are you watching this?
Speaker 4 (47:16):
You know?
Speaker 10 (47:17):
Like I to grab me though, so it's like it's
the dad probably like yeah, go up there and like
grab her.
Speaker 8 (47:23):
I've had a little boy grab me before, which I'm like, lucky.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
When your child psychologists back to talk to the damn.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
I was like, you're raising a demon?
Speaker 4 (47:32):
What the fuck is wrong?
Speaker 8 (47:34):
She looked at me like yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Waited for that.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Did you pick your walkout song yet or do they
pick it for you?
Speaker 9 (47:44):
No?
Speaker 10 (47:44):
I picked my walkout song what song you walking out to?
You mean like this weekend? No, my theme song. It's
always your theme song, and.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
You should walk out the Shook Ones. Mom d.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
She was mad at.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Shook. It's one of the greatest. It's one of the greatest.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Yeah, it's one of the greatest songs of all time.
Like you, life would erupt. I'm just I'm just picturing Jay.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Want me that. I don't know the song so Shook Ones.
It's one of the greatest rap songs.
Speaker 8 (48:16):
Found that part two. I don't know the song.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
You know this song, Jade, she's from Florida.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Remember that. You know this song? Everybody knows the song.
Speaker 8 (48:27):
No, I feel like I know this b.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Okay, Yeah, that's way too calm.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Yeah, what life? Let me put the scenario.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Jane's standing there with the head looking the illustrious, the shoulders,
everything tricepts is glittering and and and mob Shook Ones.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Come on, are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Y'all? Y'all?
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Seventy percent chance of rain with Shook.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
One the Super Bowl. It's gonna actually rain while.
Speaker 10 (49:04):
Down look into it, But I will I need a
nasty electric guitar. That's I just I'm an electric guitar person.
Speaker 8 (49:11):
I am legend.
Speaker 10 (49:16):
In the beat, but I need I need a good
I just that's my thing. Like, that's just my thing.
I love an electric guitar. I don't know, I just
I love it. So if you can give me something
on electric.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
You can probably come out to Welcome to the Jungle
something like that.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
I'm coming theme song, respect to your theme song. I'm
just saying, if it's raining standing here this stadium and
shook Ones come on and you just standing at the top.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
Of the rep hands out, hair flowing, triple H will.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Come out and kiss your feet. He's gonna be like,
I don't know what you just did, but we cracked
the cold. We cracked.
Speaker 8 (49:50):
Let me if I get them to buy it, we'll
see how it goes.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Trip Waights, Well, he's I think he listens to rap.
I think he listens.
Speaker 8 (49:56):
He listens to everything.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
He knows shook One's mob deep.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
I guarantee if you if you say that, he's gonna
look at you, like what you know about that?
Speaker 10 (50:02):
Okay, we'll see I'm gonna go out. He's like, okay,
we'll look at that.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
That's gonna be the most incredible one. Of the most
incredible moments that happened is.
Speaker 8 (50:08):
That you guys say I made that happen.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Let's see if you if he can buy in the
next twenty four hours, I will call Havoc and he
will rap it, rap it.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Had some sleep, absolutely
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
But speaking of the girl whose birthday just passed, this
is the girl that put me onto the TAPP.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
She put me into Marason to the tap.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
I keep hearing about this TAPP shit.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
So a couple of months ago, right, I was trying
to figure out if a man that I was entertaining
was gay or if he was a.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Serial Is that the one you showed me a picture
of And I said, yeah, he's gay.
Speaker 6 (00:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I was trying to figure out if he was gay
or a serial killer because he was too perfect, something
had to be wrong.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Definitely gay.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
So I was.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So I was talking to her and she was like, well,
have you heard of the t APP. I'm like no,
She's like, we know that. You go on there and
what she painted to me as it's like they'll tell
you if like a man is and if he's if
you should stay away from him, like if he's a
rapist or if he's like a murderer, a killer or
he's creepy, like it'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I don't know if he was a killer, yeah, okay,
red flag like he just came home.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
No for real, one of the people on there, it's
like he just came home for murdering his wife. He did,
he got time served like ship like that. So I'm like, you.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Got tom served. Okay. So I'm like, so that's what.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It was painted to as painted to me as so
I'm like, okay, this is such a great app like
a warm woman against like horrible men and stuff like this. Now,
over the weekend it blew up and was like people
were on there, like year, girl, he got girlfriend, he'd
be cheating on his girlfriend, his dick wag.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Just slow down because I want you to get there,
but don't act like me. And you did not search
my name Maul's name.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We did everybody. We fucking knew his name.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
He showed us that you're not on it.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We are not on that tea app whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
One of our homemianes.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, there was somebody that was on there.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
I was like, damn, one of our homies is on there.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Not for like doing no like foul rapey shit.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
They just said he keeps cheating on his girlfriend. That
shit ain't right.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
But oh that's that's man ship. But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But yes, once this girl introduced Amarson I to this app,
we searched peege I'm searched shopped.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
We found we didn't find I'm sorry. We searched for you,
we didn't find you. I'm sorry, yes, did we because
maybe we should double chet.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So wait, this app is just for women all over
the world. Country.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Now you could put a zip code a whole area,
like she shares her location with that app, so she
could just hit her location.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Okay, Okay, people in the area, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's like dick yell Okay.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
But it wasn't originally for that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It was it was for the protection of women. I mean,
I don't know if t Apple will say this, but
it same way only fans. A lot of that to
do with certain women and sex work and things like that,
to make sure whatever you're doing is safe with the
people that you're meeting up with. So then it spread, okay,
and Demerius, you can take it from here. After that breach,
I just want to make it clear.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Yeah, he was squeaking clean on that ship and.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
Anything after this one because we talked about Yeah, they
they started just it stopped becoming about safety and started
just becoming about quote unquote gossip, and so it blew up.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Niggas was getting mad. They're like, what if we did
this for women? Ah, y'all did. It was called group chats,
but they were just so everything. Everybody was so angry
because people were, you know, exposing like oh I went
on a date with him and his dick was whack.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Or he's hairy or his butt stinks like.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It was just ship like that.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That's what on this app talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yes, and they can give you people can give you
red flags or green flags, YadA YadA.
Speaker 8 (03:41):
So yeah, it spread out.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
There was a huge dady, Yeah, they put a picture
of your face. There was a huge data breach where
so some people, I guess were uploading their license because
when you when you sign up, you have to verify
that they need a record of you being who you are. Right,
So for example, when I sign up a couple months
ago to find out if that man was a murderer,
I used my photo.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I didn't use my ID.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Some people were using their ID and then there was
a data breach, so then all of those people's IDs
and selfies became public when the app is actually supposed
to delete them the moment they have them, but you know,
the moment you take them or whatever and they verify,
but you know that doesn't ever work out, like that
so huge data breach. Everybody's like, ah, that's what y'all get.
Y'all are fucking stupid for signing up to this app.
And I'm just like, if the app was being used
(04:26):
for what it was originally created for, I understand why
an app like that exists, and I'm grateful that in
an app like that exists, But to make it just
about like personal like stupid shit, it's just shit.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
When we were looking on the app with her, all
of that shit was legitimately about like whether that man
was safe or not, like it wasn't on some of
it's dick was whack or like. It was really about safety.
So once that shit, because how long ago do you
think that was?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That she showed U set.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Up a couple months ago?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Seven years ago?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
You know that seven?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
No, but there was a couple top of June. It's okay,
you can tell the truth of Michael. I don't care
unless you're trying to right before the pandemic top of June.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Top of June.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, when we were looking at that, I mean, whatever
her settings were were just for safety. Yeah, because because
once I saw this ship go off, I was like, oh,
that was the app that Shorty showed us.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
So is there an app like this for guys, Like
so we can know that the women that.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
We would get arrested if we had an app like that?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Why because double standards exist to see if that I
agree with, Like that's true, Rob me. Yeah, yeah, men
couldn't have that app. We wouldn't have We would never
be allowed to have that.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
But that is so crazy. Women do crazy shit too.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, I agree, No, I think men should be able
to have their ta app. I'm just saying in this society,
we would get smoked for having that app.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I mean, to be fair, women are get are getting
smoked for having that app right now too.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
So well, Also the irony t app Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Also irony of the entire thing because I don't really
agree with how that app ended up being because it
ended up being gossip ship. But it is kind of
funny that a t app designed to protect women ended
up having all of their addresses out there. Jesus, like
that was that was the irony of the entire thing
because all the women that use their IDs their addresses.
(06:16):
But it turned into some gossipy ship like listen, dick
YELP was fucked up but at least it was called
dick Yelp. We knew what type of time it was.
The t app was really started to help and protect women.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, they was wrong for putting me on that app.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
They said incredible things about you. You remember the things
they said about me. No, it's fucked up they put
me on. I said, I used the hardy R and
tried to do slave cosplay with it. Oh, it's fucked
up that everyone found out that you're a huge dick.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You're a great lover.
Speaker 9 (06:50):
Oh guy, Oh my god, how they are you? Poor guy?
They said that I do slave cosplay and the only
way I can fuck is if I use the already R.
You poor gentlemen. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
I forgot they said that about you, damn and the
only thing on dick Yelp I had.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, damn, my bad, bro, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Do slave cosplay exactly, Rory, because I'm a history but he.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Dresses up like Leonardo DiCaprio Da Django, really in the history.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And she didn't realize that if we continued on with it,
everyone going to be free, everybody.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
She didn't let the story go along, all right, please,
It starts out bad but it ends in the beauty.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It ends with.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
All right, all right, okay.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It ends on.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Y'are not about to tell on Dick yelp.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It's okay.
Speaker 9 (07:47):
If somebody makes up some ship that I'm going slave playing,
I can't talk about the ship.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
It ends on us. That's where it ends on June
teeth is when the story is.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Shown.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
You some real startled. No, they didn't see your vision, man,
they didn't see your vision. Oh my god, holy ship.
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
All right?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Is there anything before we do get to voicemails? Is
there anything we need to cover here?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Anything?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Music?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Oh, Destiny, Child of Reunion.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I kind of don't either.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Man, Why because I would have I would have spent
my last.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Dollar or fly to Vegas to go see that ship.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I would have for that add me to the t
I what you need from me?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
What's funny?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I would have You would have sold cat for the
tickets right there.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
After we left recording on Thursday, which the episode came
out on Friday. Listen, man number nine and what are we?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, listen, bro, I'm telling you todays I enjoy your
like actual genuine reaction to days.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I was actually like a pretty big deal and malls
just like, I.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Totally forgot it. I didn't know what the hell y'all
were clapping that, but okay, got it. Now, I'm one
boy got it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I was extremely late to pick my daughter up from
daycare on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I ran out of here and then my.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Phone started buzzing while I was waiting for my car
at the garage, so I called Peage. I said, that
fucking Complex list came out. How did they slight us?
That was my exact thing, because I'm pessimistic.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I just know, yea, the worst.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We already knew what tom it was. We appreciated thirteen
last year. That's when we made our amends with Complex.
That's kept saying the greatest platform, greatest platform I've ever
seen in my entire When we were thirteen, I was like,
is there anyone greater than No? I don't agree that
my album shouldn't have been on the top of Now
you put us at thirteen year like everything's cool?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Black ball what? I was just so good?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I got white balls, So I didn't even care.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I just felt like I had this feeling in my
stomach that Karesha was going to be number one this year.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Let it go, let it It's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Why is it that I wanted to see where Karesha
was before? We were like, tell me where Karesha. Don't
tell me where New Roya Ma is.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
That she didn't even have any episodes this year.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I know, number one, that's why you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I was like, oh, the pup Child's gonna be like yo,
just her influence being quiet was the number one thing,
so I.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Assumed that she was number one. She was not on
the list.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
We ended up being at number nine.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Congrats to everybody in here, Josh Page, Demris, the whole
entire crew volume, thank.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You for everything that you guys do. We made this
number nine man.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, thank you the Complex for the uh, you know,
the write up. Once again, what's.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
That guy's name, Jordan Jordan?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Did I write up Jordan?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Thank you Jordan Jordan, though, but please don't ever referred
to me as the Drake.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Whisper again in your life. That's all.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Thank you for the lovely, lovely other everything other than that,
thank you. It was something else he said, and I
was like, wait, what, let's pull it up read some
something some.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Words that Jordan had in it. I was like, yo, wait,
hold on, look at.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What happens even when you make top ten of a
list that you still have cripes. No, no, no, just
it was just some of the we'll never make us whole.
It was some of the wording that I just didn't like.
That's all, just some of the wording. Yeah, rorya Maul
on the Rise.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
After they being on this is last year, they've crept
into the top ten on the Rise. On the Rise
thanks to the fact that, thanks to the fact that
their platform has come more than just a place to
react to music, it's now making news of its own.
Ovio mall his lean to tay his connections, emerging as
something of a something of a I'm nothing of a
Drake whisperer.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And by the way, you can't quote yourself. I can't know,
I'm saying George, like, who called you the drake whisper?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
He did, He's the only one when he gually dropped
that Drake had a bomb on Iceman in and went
into a frenzy. He later clarified that it wasn't another desk,
just that there was a hit coming to their credit
Rory mal are in on the jokes and they find
ways to have fun with the reputation. On the one
year University of the Kendrick Wister, Drake beef Mall went
head to head with West Coast counterpart DJ Head. I
like how you did that, and at first take style
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debate with Rory Damaras got in a discussion. It was
one of the most entertaining podcasts episodes of the year.
You may not agree with all that takes, and maybe yes,
Mare takes the overeal glazing.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
That's what I didn't like, the.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right right great, something like what is beautiful Jordan Rose?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Beautiful right up?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Other than that a little too far, but perhaps for
the duo for pasistently finding new and created ways to
stay entertaining Jordan Rose and everyone in the complex.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Thank you, yeah, thank you, Jordan. I think that was great.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't know man as much as like I do
appreciate this type of ship lists like.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Don't need that much to you or in general, they.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Don't validate anything per se, Like I think the list
they put together is cool and fair, but there was
plenty of people that were left off that list that
I felt should be on. There that like it was cool,
Like I appreciate people even hitting me up, like yo,
number nine is big, Like even if you don't care
about list shit, that's that's big top top ten hip
hop media. That that means something grateful, appreciating it. Think
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it's great for when you have a partner like Volume.
They like to see that shit. People like to see
that type of stuff. But shit going through the list.
My biggest ripe last year was that Bootleg keV was
not higher. He went lower this year, and I feel
like BOOTLEGKEV has been smoking shit.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Honestly, to be fair, I didn't look at Peach. I
think I was here with Peage and he had pulled
up the power rankings, and once he showed me where
we landed, I really didn't look at the rest of
the list, honestly, So I don't know who landed where,
who is or isn't on the list. But either way,
you know, lists are are cool, and you know it
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kind of puts things into you know, put there somewhat compartmentalize,
and you know it's good to have conversations and things
like that. But anybody that didn't make the list, you know,
don't feel bad that you didn't. Don't think that you're
not doing the work or not doing good work because
you didn't make the list.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
We've been left off when I knew we should have
been on it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yeah, it happens, man, it happens.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But that doesn't mean as counterparts, we can't bring up
those type of people, Like I feel bag Fuel has.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Been smoking shit, shut out the bag field. If you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
People that it's hip hop media, right, and I think
they covered a lot of basis. I think streamers that's
still hip hop media. And we'll get to the cord
thing after this. But what bag Fuel has been doing
under what they said as their definition in the article,
how are they not in a top twenty five of
everything bag Fuel has been doing. Gina not being on
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that list is fucking crazy to me.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
But the her and Head show, it's both of them though, correct? Yeah,
but so what did had made the list? I'm show,
Yeah he did, so why weren't both of them?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
But then also Elliott made it?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
And here's my thing, I think Jeremy should have been
on this list because everything Jeremy has done outside of
Head Elliott and his show, he's been smoking shit on
the solo side.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I feel like more than anyone on.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That shows, there's Jeremy clips every single week of what
he's doing on his own.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think Jeremy should have been on that list.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I think it was the bars On I I A
five that kind of.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
First of all, it was just incredible show.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Oh it wasn't bars On I five. Oh sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
First of all, if Jeremy drove to Connecticut to get
them bars off he left LA I.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Thought it was because Jeremy was on just incredible that,
you know, they kind of kept them off the list.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
They wasn't feeling his bars.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I mean, I just feel by their standards, everything he's
been doing, he should have been there.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah. I think that.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
You know, again, these lists are cool and we're grateful,
thank you the Complex. But to anybody that didn't make it,
or people feel like they should be ranked higher, whatever, whatever,
listen to everybody, just continue doing good work, good work
in the space, good work for hip hop. I think
at some point another we all need and feed off
of each other in the space. You know, whether it's competitive,
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whether it's you know, because we don't like each other,
whether it's because we don't think that you know, this
person's work is good or whatever whatever, So you want
to kind of work harder so you can kind.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Of get these people out the way. Whatever it may be.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Let's just continue to keep doing good work and keep
putting hip hop first in this space that we're in,
because that's that's really what matters at the end of
the day.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I agree with you, and I love all that positivity,
but nah, I'm here for a messy.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Mood, are you? Are you okay? Go ahead, get messy?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, no, I'll start with positivity. Black Boy Max at
number four, I can make a case that he should
be higher. I love everything black Boy's been doing his
entire series of in the booth of like actually having
rappers come in there and make music in real time
on stream. That to me is the definition of hip
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hop media and not streaming gossip bullshit. If we're doing
hip hop media, you could make a case that plat
Boy Max is one or two in that regard. If
we're talking about hip hop media. Everything that we're doing
here is for hip hop. I think he should be higher.
He wasn't even on it last year, but I guess
that just speaks to the year that he's had. He
went from not on the list at all to number four,
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So I agree with that. The Kai thing is what
I saw stirred up a lot of conversation. Does Ky
belong number one on a streamer list? I don't think
there's anything to debate there. Numbers are real?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Is Ki hip hop media?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
He's from the Bronx that's hip hop, so it is
Ralph Lauren holos hip hop? I mean KYB, But you
know he has he has his things, his moments, of
his hip hop moments. That's not his focus. So I
can see why people may fill away at him being
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number one.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Based off the standards that Complex did give in the
beginning again of the article. I totally understand why Ki
would be there under those circumstances of launching rollouts, of
having moments within hip hop. Yes, I just don't know
if Kai would be deemed a hip hop like streamer. Yes,
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he had, he has those moments and they go far
greater than anything that we've ever done numbers wise, But
is that Kai like?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Do people go to Ki for hip hop?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I don't think I think the audience does. I think
it's I think there's some people.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
That may go to him for hip hop.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Absolutely, I think he does an incredible job of taking
in hip hop to the new generation and how the
young kids consume media for sure, and making hip hop
part of his world. But I mean, this isn't hate.
It's actually quite the opposite. I just don't think Kai,
if we're media power players. I think Kai should be
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up there on a Rogan list when you're coming to
that type of thing. But I don't know if if
Kai really came in or ever focused on it being
a hip hop platform. I mean the moment, you know,
we love to see Offset dance with him in the
basement and like all that.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, this ship is great. Is that a hip hop
platform just because Offset happens to be a rapper?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
No, But that's what I'm saying. He's not just hip hop.
He has a lot of some big hip moments.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
You know, he listen to music on the stream when
when the albums drop, when songs drop. So, I mean, yeah,
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Mad at Ky being number I'm fine with I love everything.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Then what is hip hop media? Like? Of course hip
hop media my next question, it changes.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
It's not the the you know, the word up magazine
and it's not that type of thing, And it's not
just the source magazine type of hip hop media style anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Things have changed, things are digital.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Streaming is such a huge part of our culture right
now and the way people receive music.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
So I think this is on brand FAKA to be
number one. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
And I didn't know he was number one until I
think just now, until y'all just told me that.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I seriously did not look at the rest.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Of this list, like I don't know who is what
and where they landed.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, And I mean I guess based off their criteria.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Is to your point, the question I want to ask,
what is hip hop media? Because there should never be
a world where my name is above big boys name
in hip hop media, power players, ever. But if it's
off the criteria of what is actually just happening right
now and how people are finding new ways to revamp
how people consume things.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Then I get it. But putting this together is going
to offend somebody.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, somebody's gonna be offended, just like I was offended.
But thank you, Jordan Roose. I appreciate that. What man.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
When Jordan hit me up for a picture and I'm like, what, man,
what we do now, he was like, it's for the
hip Hop Power rank his list.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You didn't even tell us that? How I found out
on my way to daycare?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Why would I tell y'all that?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But I didn't know what number we were? He didn't
tell me what number we were. He just said that
he was doing the list. So why would I? I mean,
I knew we eventually were going to find out what
number were. I was gonna ask him what number we were,
So I sent him pictures, Yo, Jordan, I sent you
two pictures, man. One of them had me in it, yo,
trying to.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Figure out why? How fuck you went with.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
The one with just for m all?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I said in the post stop, I feel like you
should have been right there.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
You don't have to. That's fine, It's okay. I appreciate that,
but you don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
All right?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Baby? What's soup with your girl?
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Ari?
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Man?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
What'd I do?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What she do?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I've seen the discourse, the discourse. I've seen the discourse
that she kind of rob Are you talking about Ari
Lennox in reference to saying that the jokes about Pam
were anti black? Yes, okay, I don't think that she's
being overly sensitive. She's not the first person to ever
say that that's like been a running like thing. That
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the reason why in a lot of shows back in
those days and some shows now that the sidekick is
always a dark skinned woman and she catches a lot
of jokes. Do I think that people always found Pam
to be fine?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (22:33):
But baby d newsflash, Martin joked on everybody on this
for sure. For sure, even his own even his own
girlfriend for sure. What are we talking about?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
But she's not.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
But what I'm saying is I don't want to make
that a ari think because she's not the first person
to ever bring that up.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Okay, but she's the loudest person to bring it up.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, some people think that there are colorism conversations and
little undersided jokes of like the side the side kick,
the light skinned girl with the black side kick.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
And does colorism exist in television film Hollywood? Absolutely was
Martin being a coloriss towards Pam. He never mentioned her
complexion one time on that show. That's a joke. It
was always her hair. It was always referring to her
as being manly, can't find a man, okay, So it
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was never because you're dark skinned?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So those are all Those are all stereotypes that are
used with dark skinned women, being being masculine, not being
able to keep a man, and being nappy headed. Those
are anti black tropes that are attributed to black to
dark and black women.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
He used to talk about Gina's kitchen two and say
it was big.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
He said her head was because that's a trope against
light skinned women. Light skin women got big ass heads.
That's a that's a trope againstlight skinned women that they
got big four heads. So so everything, that's the moment
you started naming those things. Those are all anti black women,
anti dark skin woman sentiments. So he doesn't have to
mention her color. But those are all things that society
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has attributed to dark skinned women. Are you see what
I'm saying? So I do get that everybody knew Pam
was fine, Like everybody well, if you knew, you knew.
But back in those days, light skinned women were herold
did as the thing like you need the light skinned
wife or the light skinned girlfriend, and then you got
the dark skin side chick. And I'm gonna call her
nappy headed manly and say she can't keep a man.
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She's not pulling that out of her ass like, that's
not something she pulled out of her.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
She's not the first person to say that.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I can see what was the complexion of miss Claire
Huxtable on The Cosby Show.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
She was bro skin.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
But that's also Jamie Foxx.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
First of all, she Claire Huxtable is my color. She
bare she barely brown? Is that barely Brownnold is your complexion.
She is a little bit dark.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Arnold is your complexion.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
It's a little bit darker than me.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Arnold is your complex.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Okay, we can agree to disagree your.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Complain, but yeah, what I'm saying is brownskinned women.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
The first mom in Fresh Prince.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Was a brown skin and they got rid of her
and got replaced with a skin.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Which was the craziest move.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
But I'm saying the original character was casted as a
brownskin black woman. I'm just again this victim mentality thing.
We got to move past it because if we just
look at the landscape, black women, brownskin women have been
represented on every level for years.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
They have.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Now you can point out instances where maybe and that's cool,
but it's like, okay, but maybe just this actress was
better than the brownskin actress and that's why she was
casted here or not.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
What happened with Fresh Prince then they all came out.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I'm not saying I'm not told about Fresh Prince specific.
I'm just saying the original mom in Fresh Prince was
casted as a brownskin black woman.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
So again, when they made a change, of course, it
was weird. We all recognized that that was crazy. It
was like, y'all couldn't even go cast another brown like
a brown skin, darker skinned woman that y'all got a
lighter skinned woman like to not even try to, like,
you know, kind of fool us a little bit. Y'all
just completely just made a shit. Okay, cool, But what
I'm saying is brownskinned women have always been represented in television.
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When you go back to Good Times, all of these shows, Like, so,
my thing is, how do we get to a first
of all comedy number one where jokes is gonna be cracked?
That's number one, Martin. It's not like Martin is a
white man playing this role and he's cracking on his
wife's best friend, who's a brown skinned woman. He's a
black man, but he's cracking on everybody. Yes, all of
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his friends got it. They all anytime they walk through
the door. It's jokes. We can't turn this into yo.
This was It made me feel a way and we
all laughed. We all still laugh.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Nobody.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Have you ever want you? I'm just talking about you.
Never mind with the intern of the saying. Have you
ever once watched Martin and felt like what he said
depend was appropriate?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Not as far as being inappropriate?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, but I'm very aware of tropes against black women,
but we all are.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I'm talking about this specific Martin.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
The show with Martin and Pam's and Pam's character on
his character, Maam, did you ever watch that and feel like, yo,
he kind of going crazy on Pam?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No, and it's only because she dars skinned. It's not
about that. It's about he would the things that he
said to Pam. Even if he wasn't in a if
the actresses were switched and Gina was somehow the best friend,
or that Gina had another light skinned best friend, the
jokes would not have been that they were mainly can't
keep a man in nap beheaded? Those would not have
been the jokes. They would have still got joked on,
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but those wouldn't have been the jokes.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
But he's made nappyheaded jokes about Gina before.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
She might have said something about like, oh, like you
need to straighten your hair or something like there's something
like that. But even that in itself is anti black.
Just because he's saying it to a light skinned woman,
it's still anti black women. Like making comments about black
women's hair is anti black. Now, I'm not vilifying Mark
because that we we're much more aware of these things
these days. But just because nobody was talking about it
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back then doesn't mean that people can't look back and
peep it. We look back on old TV shows all
the time and peep shit that was like, Oh, that
was a little crazy. Doesn't mean anybody deserves to be
canceled or anything like that. No, but Ari just came
out and said that she felt some type of way
about that because those are anti black women tropes.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
There's nothing really it.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Makes sense if that's coming from somebody who's not a
black man.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But that's like saying black people can't be colorless. Then
that's not true because we're we're the worst at it.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
White people. It's just you, you a nigga, I'm tetting
dark skin you.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I'm talking very specific to Martin Lawrence here, But because
we know that he wrote on the show, we know
that a lot of it was improv we know that
a lot of it was him throwing his comedy into it.
So do we think that Martin Lawrence is a colorist,
because that's what we would be saying here.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think that throughout I think that throughout the it's not.
I don't think it's as black as black and white
as that. I think that colorism has been so embedded
in our society that somebody might not be a bad
person for having for contributing stereotypes to different colors and
different shades of black, because that's just so embedded in
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our society. The same way that dark skinned women are
automatically labeled as aggressive more aggressive, and white skinned women
are labeled as softer, even if no one says it
out loud, this has been a societal thing for forever.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
It's embedded in society.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
It's an automatic thought, and unless you're super hyper aware
of the things that you're thinking in the way that
you're moving, you wouldn't even know because it's just always
been like that.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
So I understand what Ari is saying.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I don't think it's specific to Martin, and I didn't
get offended by what was going on.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
In I don't think nobody has everything.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's but like I said, she's not the first person
to bring that up about Martin.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
There is nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
There is nothing manly about Tashina Arnold, nothing manly about her.
That's why it's called a joke. Yeah, but this is
the thing. Why would that joke even be made?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
But because that's his best, that's his girlfriend's best, that's
what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
He was light skinned, he would never have called her.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
But you're not doing that. But that's just what it is.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
That's not what it is. That's what they're trying. That's
what they're trying to make it. That's what is trying
to make it and paint it as. But that's not
what it is. Like that, and that's what the victim
mentality ship it has to. We can't we can't do
that to Marrow, Lawrence and and and and the legendary
show that is Martin. We cannot do that because we
know that that's not what it was, and that's not.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
How do you know that though that's what I'm saying.
You said, you know, how do you know that the marriage.
We've watched this show.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
It's been syndicated reruns for years, it's on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Nobody has ever watched it and said, yo, I ain't
gonna lie.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
He going crazy on Pam And it's only because she
she brown.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Skin, But that's because you weren't.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
You weren't really looking for it, and you wouldn't be
the victim in that like you wouldn't be.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
The That don't mean I can't see the victim and
know that it's some some colorism shit is going on
because I'm not the victim.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
But what I'm saying is that show came out years ago.
First of all, we can end this conversation because we're
not gonna agree, then that's fine. But I just think that,
like I said, nobody's calling Martin.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, I'm not calling Martin a bad person. I just
think that again, colorism is so embedded in our society
that half the time we don't even notice it when
it pops up.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
And I also think that colorism is so embedded in
our society that we call something colorism when it's not.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Okay, That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I think that is so throughout history, Black Throughout history,
darker skin, darker brown, and darker skinned women have been
labeled as ugly, as manly and aggressive and nappy headed.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Those are all colorists tropes.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
So if they pop up in jokes back in the day, yeah,
the same way niggas used to call darker skinned people
African booty scratchers. These things were real, like this, this happened,
but back in the day we were not as sensitive
to it. But that doesn't make it like less real.
Light skin girls have always been labeled as prettier and
more attractive and softer.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
That's real. They have studies on shit like that.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
That is real.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying here in this instance,
it's not real. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Do you think that you think that Martin Lawrence in
the nineties and the nineties, you think that he was
above being affected by society's tropes. You think that he
was just way but beyond that, you don't think that
society affected him in his writing at all.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I'm not going to stay at all. No, I don't
think him no the same. First of all, have seen
the Auto and Tisha Campbell are like best friends of
real life. They've done multiple movies together, so like they
were cast it probably because they have a history, Like
I think mar I think they've all done movies before
this together when they were all in the same movie.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So do you think it's possible that the same person
that has a stereotypical trope on his show named Shane,
is that her name?
Speaker 6 (32:58):
You don't think that.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That person.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Who created that character is capable of having a little
bit of.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Colorism in their jokes even purpose I'm not saying he's
not capable of having colors jokes. I'm saying I don't
think that that was Martin's point and that was his
thought process.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Oh, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I don't think so either, because what I'm saying is
it's embedded.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Sometimes we do.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Sometimes we have stereotypes in our head that because we
were raised on it, we don't even think about it.
It's not us intentionally being racist or being colorists or anything.
These are things that this was the way the world
was when we were raised. So there's some things we
just don't think about. I don't think he was intentionally
trying to be harmful because she was dark skinned I
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think those were automatically the jokes he went to because
that's what people have always said about dark skinned women.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
It's the easy, low hanging fruit, That's what I'm saying.
But again, we don't have to we can agree to disagree.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I understand people's point in saying that, you know there
can be a victim mentality with that, And I also
understand ours point because he's not the first dark skinned
girl to have ever said that. She's not the first
person to bring up the fact that there was obviously
a clear difference in between the light skin girl and
the dark skinned girl on that show.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
And also, I think if you ask the actors and
the actresses.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Even though they're all cool with each other, and the writers,
I think they can understand where those tropes come from too,
because I'm sure they've experienced that in Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I would love to hear from Tshina Arnold about that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, I would love to hear from her too. I
doubt she'd speak on it, but she would speak on it.
Why wouldn't she.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I think she would put it to bed very quickly, like, no,
that's not what the energy was. I never once felt
like that. I think if to Sina Arnold felt like
that slightly, that would have disappeared.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
From But again, I don't think that he was doing
it intentionally.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Or whether he was or he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I'm saying if she felt like that at some point
in the whole Martin world, she would have said something
to writer.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
She would have come out and said it. We would
have heard her talk about it. Now that years.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Passed, the show is over, I'm sure she would have
said something about it, And maybe she did. I could
be ignorant to and never saw her speak about it.
But I'm just saying I've never seen it.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I've never heard it.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
The first time I've ever hearing anybody speak about their
character's dynamics and saying, you know, bring the whole colorism
thing and you know this state of third I just
think that victim mentality is real. Colorism is real, and
I think we just got to find the spots where
we know for sure that's what that is. But if
it's not, which I don't think Martin is. I don't
(35:20):
think that was a colorism thing. I don't think that
that was on his mind. I don't think that was
a part of the energy of the show. I just
think that was the best friend of my girlfriend, and
you know, you know how the relationships are with your girl,
your best friend's boyfriends, Like he don't like you, You
don't like him.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
You don't think he's good enough for your girl.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
He think that you're the single friend who will be
trying to have her out in the face of other
guys and think it's that dynamic. You come in the crib,
It's like, yo, what you what's up? What you want?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Like, I don't think it was because she was brown
skin Like, I just don't. I don't. I don't get
that yet.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You said that you obviously dealt with the MLB world.
How has your husband been dealing with the wrestling world.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
At first, he didn't want me to do it at all,
like at all. It was just like even my mom
was like, why.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Do you want to do that?
Speaker 8 (36:16):
You want to hurt yourself? Go model, go do something.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
A mom don't understand, like why.
Speaker 10 (36:22):
Would you want to You got to hurt yourself. And
I'm like, don't put that energy out there. I'm not
going to hurt myself. Yeah, there's something else you could do.
Why did you want to do that? My mom didn't understand.
He was more so like for what, Like, you know,
I met him when I was twenty two. I wanted
to be a child psychologist.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
I did that.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
He was just like.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Why Yeah.
Speaker 10 (36:42):
So then I went to the triad and it all went great,
and then he was like, oh, this is about to
get real. I said, yeah, it's about to get real.
This is what I'm going to do. But he didn't
want me to do it at all. And now he's
seen how much work that I've put in.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
He's proud of me.
Speaker 10 (36:57):
He's like, oh my, oh my gosh, I'm so happy
you stuck with it like I would have never thought you.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Look at the change in emotion yoa doing.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
And then once wife be about to become champion, like listen,
I'm proud you know.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Inside and.
Speaker 8 (37:12):
Mess up your body. I want you to retire with me,
like what are you doing?
Speaker 10 (37:16):
And I'm like, I think what you did was great,
but I want to do something for myself, like I
think I can do this. I can do the child
psychology thing when I'm done with this, if I ever
choose to.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
But I want to.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
Create something that's legendary for our daughter, Like I want
my daughter to say, oh my dad did this, but
I want her to say, but my mom, my mom
did this.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
And that's inspiring to me.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
So he has his career, it's it's different now because
he's like to stay at home dad, and now I'm
the one always gone. So it's a literally upside down
world now.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
With you again speaking speaking it intil existing with you
being champion. What does what do you hope that does
for the little black girls in Florida, New York, California,
just as far as like representing something for them to
(38:10):
look forward to, say, like she represents greatness, she represents strength.
Storm Is in the studio, it was literally storming. But
what do you what do you? What do you think about?
Or do you think about those little girls that at
home looking at Jade this weekend?
Speaker 8 (38:28):
I do.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
And it's such a fine line with me because I'm
not for kids, like being very real, I'm not for kids.
I'm sexy, I curse, I'm grown, I'm not. I'm just not.
But I do love to hear that I am an
inspiration for little girls who see me.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
They're like, oh, I love how you look.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
Your confidence radiates all this kind of stuff, like I
want to be like you.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
I love it.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Never. I never wanted it.
Speaker 10 (38:56):
Yeah, but I love inspiring little girls that you can
do any and everything with your mind too. I started
this at twenty seven and for a lot of people
that can be late, but I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna give this a shot. I'm gonna give them all.
Let's see who we are. Look where I am now.
And we had somebody like Jazz and Jacqueline who did
these phenomenal things for me and Biyonka and Naomi.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I want I want you to catch close up, Jerry.
Speaker 10 (39:23):
It's great that people see us like these little girls
see us and they know like I can do that,
but yeah, I can do it better, because that's what
we want them to say.
Speaker 8 (39:32):
Just as much as Jazz we looked at Jazz, we
looked at.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Jacqueline, We're like, I want to do that, but I
can do better. I can reach there, and now they
can reach there and the next generation can reach there.
That's all we want to do, create bigger footprints for
the next generation.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Now you have a daughter I do.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Would you be happy if she told you, Mom, I
want to wrestle as a parent right that face?
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Like, how does that?
Speaker 9 (39:57):
You know?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Because now you're your mom now, right, like you do
you say okay and just kind of like cringe on
the inside, but still like, obviously you want her to
do what she wants to do and succeed.
Speaker 10 (40:07):
She's getting a great education first, okay, something she could
fall back on, a trade something first, right, and then
if she wants to pursue wrestling, go at it. I'm
a very supportive mom. I'm like, go at it. I'll
tell her if she's not good or whatever you want
to call it, like, okay, well, let's use that trade.
But as long as she gets a phenomenal education, something
(40:28):
that steady that she can always go back to, I'm
okay with it. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Oh no, I think the way Braun did it with
his son, I think you might have to do.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
That mother daughter in the league at the same time. Listen,
that would be nothing.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
I'm okay, that.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Would be a crazy You can hold that idea.
Speaker 8 (40:46):
You have that one she wanted to start like seventeen.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, yeah, get right to it.
Speaker 10 (40:51):
Man. It's called a bump card, and it goes up
and your body you feel you're twenty two, you'll feel
like you're like thirty five.
Speaker 8 (40:59):
Yeah, it's crazy. It feels really quick.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
So you obviously I feel like this weekend again, Jade
will be champion Rory. She already said that she will
bring the title back. Yes, now, Jade, if Rory and
myself wanted to get into wrestling, like what would we
have to you know.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
Like we have somebody back there, it's like no, because
you know baby d just you know she she mean,
she don't believe in our abilities and she don't think
that we could do it.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
But if me and she gives Bianca, I'll say that, yeah,
like she's definitely. But like if me and Roy wanted
to be tag team champions, well yeah, pause that like
what do we how do we prepare ourselves?
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Like how do we you know, like what is our
first order of business?
Speaker 8 (41:42):
Going to the PC?
Speaker 4 (41:43):
What is the PC?
Speaker 10 (41:44):
It's down Orlando.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
It's a training facility, so.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
We have to train. So what was that about a month?
Speaker 5 (41:50):
We have to train? Yeah, Like I'm thinking we could go.
We can pull up Sunday with Jade bro Like we
can go Sunday and kick some.
Speaker 10 (41:56):
Asks signed some liability for him.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
In case you died? Yeah, oh you die?
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (42:04):
Okay, Yes, it's a lot of things. Okay, okay, yes,
but train, like getting your mind ready. It's not that easy.
It's really not. All these celebrities that come into they
are all training. It's not just walking into the system.
I don't know what the internet.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Paints, but they like two, three, four months.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Initially, Oh right, oh you guys.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah, no, we would need four game years.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I know.
Speaker 10 (42:29):
So when I work with Daniel Bryant, he was telling me, like,
you don't get comfortable until like seven years, Like he
didn't get comfortable until seven years. And I'm four years
and a little bit of change into the game. And
my first match ever was on national TV. So it's
such a weird thing because most people before they get
on TV, they've had a plethora of matches. I didn't
(42:51):
like the world see me as raw as you can
get someone.
Speaker 8 (42:55):
So it would take a while.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
It would take a while.
Speaker 10 (42:58):
But it depends on how athletic you guys like. It
depends on how you.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
Got that back to the.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Tobos still clicking.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
I can still know that three yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Other than that, I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
At one point I was but I have a two
year old.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I got dad, Wait, I need I need a decade
I need a decade for sure. A decade absolutely at
this point. I mean, at least I chased her. My
cardial is gret because I chased a two year old
old time. But the windows up, I'd very much be
easily super left. You'll just put it that way.
Speaker 8 (43:30):
Okay, you'll take the super lex, not give it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
That the wrestling fans gonna kill me on the YouTube comments.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
But with that said, I wasn't even thinking training. I
was more thinking, if we come up with a good name,
is that even worth going to Orlando?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
If we don't have the brand together already, why would
I even train?
Speaker 8 (43:50):
That comes second?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Oh so branding comes after training?
Speaker 8 (43:54):
Yeah, okay, that's how you do at the PC.
Speaker 10 (43:57):
You can come up with stuff, but on the side,
they can have you on the side, but it's it's
your ring of ability as well as.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Coming to that full costume. You know, like the guy
that shows up to the court with all that has
been what are you going to do?
Speaker 8 (44:10):
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Get supplexed.
Speaker 10 (44:13):
I'm trying to like whatever unless as your character to
get suplex to just come out supplex I mean, I
know the Kool Aid managers jumps through.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
N That shit hurt too much. Man, I don't supplex.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Me being the kool aid man. Jumping through would just
being a rag doll wrestling. If you give me the
right check, I would do it. Prices and I'm fine
with it.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Yeah, you're paid a lot of money. You're paid a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Do you roll me into the second? Throw me on
the west side? Gun Jay?
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Do you use any of your I guess your psychology.
Do you use that in your matches at all? Like
does that brain clicking during your matches?
Speaker 10 (44:53):
Just controlling the match, like just trying to stay calm
throughout the match, taking my techniques and breathing and things
of that sort. Because when I was a child psychologist,
I would have to breathe with my kids because they
would get so worked up in situations. And sometimes you
have to think like a kid, and you have to
because when you're doing something, it's like, you know, jittery,
like and anxiety and you're it. You have to calm down.
(45:16):
So I would use breathing techniques, But for the most part, no,
unless it's a kid out there, but all of us
are adults. Like I'm gonna talk to you like an adult, I.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Guess, or that shit way to ship talk.
Speaker 8 (45:27):
Well, I'm just good at that.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
That's a degree for you.
Speaker 10 (45:30):
Yeah, but that's that's something totally different. I was gentle
with people. I talked ship. It's a it's a different
I can mine and mess with you mentally, but it's
a whole different type of game, whole different type of game.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Can we make your playlist to listen to on the
way to the event, Like, can we put together you
already told us who you like to listen to?
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Can we come up like Rory and I come up
with a whole song.
Speaker 8 (45:53):
That you right now off the head?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I mean, I would say, just walk out with Nukie
Buck just like this, if you bring back.
Speaker 10 (46:01):
To two thousand and five, guys, I love Nugget today.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I see I see your Jamaica nails. How can we
get Vibes Cartel to walk out with you?
Speaker 10 (46:09):
I don't know that would be but I feel like, listen,
I would love that, especially for my country.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
I don't think the star tripp and if you see
you losing, he might start tripping.
Speaker 10 (46:24):
Fan base would sit and be like, who is this guy?
Speaker 8 (46:27):
And that would like just to me.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
That would be cool, Like I think that was cool
with bringing that culture into wrestling, like that makes you
so unique of I've even seen like what like West
Side Gun and Diza and Wile and everyone have done
with hip hop and.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Wrestling, like where dance hall can't do the same.
Speaker 8 (46:48):
It gets weird. It's weird.
Speaker 10 (46:50):
It's a very like wrestling. Wrestling fans are very hard.
I wouldn't say they're hard to please, but they like
their community.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
First of all, he said, spit on me, step on
my Yeah, their heart. The police, they're they're very.
Speaker 9 (47:03):
Hard.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Step on my face.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
That's a hard person of police.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
They're not after him. How do you follow that? I
just want to be like his two people down.
Speaker 8 (47:14):
I was like, are you watching this?
Speaker 4 (47:16):
You know?
Speaker 10 (47:17):
Like I to grab me though, so it's like it's
the dad probably like yeah, go up there and like
grab her.
Speaker 8 (47:23):
I've had a little boy grab me before, which I'm like, lucky.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
When your child psychologists back to talk to the damn.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
I was like, you're raising a demon?
Speaker 4 (47:32):
What the fuck is wrong?
Speaker 8 (47:34):
She looked at me like yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Waited for that.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Did you pick your walkout song yet or do they
pick it for you?
Speaker 9 (47:44):
No?
Speaker 10 (47:44):
I picked my walkout song what song you walking out to?
You mean like this weekend? No, my theme song. It's
always your theme song, and.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
You should walk out the Shook Ones. Mom d.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
She was mad at.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Shook. It's one of the greatest. It's one of the greatest.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Yeah, it's one of the greatest songs of all time.
Like you, life would erupt. I'm just I'm just picturing Jay.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Want me that. I don't know the song so Shook Ones.
It's one of the greatest rap songs.
Speaker 8 (48:16):
Found that part two. I don't know the song.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
You know this song, Jade, she's from Florida.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Remember that. You know this song? Everybody knows the song.
Speaker 8 (48:27):
No, I feel like I know this b.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Okay, Yeah, that's way too calm.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Yeah, what life? Let me put the scenario.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Jane's standing there with the head looking the illustrious, the shoulders,
everything tricepts is glittering and and and mob Shook Ones.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Come on, are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Y'all? Y'all?
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Seventy percent chance of rain with Shook.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
One the Super Bowl. It's gonna actually rain while.
Speaker 10 (49:04):
Down look into it, But I will I need a
nasty electric guitar. That's I just I'm an electric guitar person.
Speaker 8 (49:11):
I am legend.
Speaker 10 (49:16):
In the beat, but I need I need a good
I just that's my thing. Like, that's just my thing.
I love an electric guitar. I don't know, I just
I love it. So if you can give me something
on electric.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
You can probably come out to Welcome to the Jungle
something like that.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
I'm coming theme song, respect to your theme song. I'm
just saying, if it's raining standing here this stadium and
shook Ones come on and you just standing at the top.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
Of the rep hands out, hair flowing, triple H will.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Come out and kiss your feet. He's gonna be like,
I don't know what you just did, but we cracked
the cold. We cracked.
Speaker 8 (49:50):
Let me if I get them to buy it, we'll
see how it goes.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Trip Waights, Well, he's I think he listens to rap.
I think he listens.
Speaker 8 (49:56):
He listens to everything.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
He knows shook One's mob deep.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
I guarantee if you if you say that, he's gonna
look at you, like what you know about that?
Speaker 10 (50:02):
Okay, we'll see I'm gonna go out. He's like, okay,
we'll look at that.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
That's gonna be the most incredible one. Of the most
incredible moments that happened is.
Speaker 8 (50:08):
That you guys say I made that happen.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Let's see if you if he can buy in the
next twenty four hours, I will call Havoc and he
will rap it, rap it.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Had some sleep, absolutely
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