Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 8/18

This week on New Rory & Mal we debate if J Cole going to college makes him less hip-hop, will Jake Paul knock out Tank Davis, did Cardi B do "Imaginary Playerz" justice, and why Tyla has failed to reach the heights of Rihanna #volume

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Also over the weekend I saw I didn't listen to
the spaces, but apparently there was a real hip hop
Space is going on a real hip hop, real hip
hop okay and shouts of Glasses alone. He was on
there apparently. And again I don't have all the details here,
I just saw the aftermath. Apparently j Cole was not
hip hop because he went to college. They've been saying

(00:25):
that though J Cole isn't hip hop because you went
to Deaf Jam was founded in NYU dorm. Yeah, like,
what do you do?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's that's not that's not new rhetoric at all.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Really, J Cole isn't hip hop because he went to college.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I remember seeing people like, yeah, I wish you would
stop rapping about student loans. Cole. You're on your third album,
you're like a multimillionaire. Don't tell me about student line.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
That was a good time.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
But I've never seen anyone say because you went to college,
you're not hip hop.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, y'all know why. I think Jake Cole and hip hop,
but not because you didn't want to college though, Like
that's stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I mean, bad timing is puff hip hop because he
broke big.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
At Howard's Yeah, I mean, I don't that's that's somebody And.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I don't know that's a direct thing, but you know
how Twitter takes one little sentence and then makes a
whole random conversation about it. I don't know if that
was the exact thing, but that was the consensus of
the argument afterwards of that spaces and it's just the
wildest thing in the world to me.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, that's just I think that's just people looking for engagement.
That's just stupid. J Cole is definitely hip hop, even
though he went to college. Again my feelings aside.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
What doesn't make you hip hop about college?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, when you when you get there, Like people don't,
college is just high school. You just sleep there. You
just sleep there, Like I just sleep on the campus. Like,
but that's not much different than the high school. And
I never went to college, but I was there enough
to know, like niggas is high school.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
And at least the first two years of.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Rappers that went to college that just don't talk about it,
you'd be very surprised. Yeah, it's like a lot of
first who agree.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Ice Cube, Yeah, ice Cube, somebody go to me ice
cube and hip hop.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Noney he has an architectural degree.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Oh no, it definitely does. But I never knew that
rappers that went to college, you know, AI never lies
never Uh we knew Luda did m hm quality went
to what City College?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
College?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah? Two chains? Childish Gambino, which, by the way, I
was listening to Childish Gambino on a podcast. It was
an old one. It was around because of the internet.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Hello cool J went to college?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, probably that is a surprise when he probably went
to Stonybrook. Any niggas say in.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
The back of my mind, I hear my conscience, definitely
went to Stony Book.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
He went to Harvard Business School. But that's that's just
like when they give say this, Nigga been a superstar
since he was seventeen. He was a supers the wine.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
The fuck did he? When did he go to high school?
Like when did he go to that? LL go, don't
tell me what they gave him after he was ll
cool J.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Nah, I'm talking about when moms was like, Nigga's either
school or work, and he's like, I'm going to school.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
But child's again, Bino was an ra and all of
that checked out. Like what once he said that on
that podcast. I think it was actually one AP. I
think it was Pete Insiphe. I was like, of course
you are an RA Mmino gives so much RA energy.
Lil Wayne went all like, this is a sweet Do
we know once the USC Wile played college football for

(03:30):
a little but I don't think he finished. Uh, Cameron
played ball for I think it was in Texas but
then came back. David Banner. I could see David Bandon
beIN What's Funny is as someone that is a reformed
Kanye Stand having your album called College drop Out And

(03:50):
I seriously have no idea what college Kanye West went to?
And I feel like I know everything about Kanye West.
What college did Kanye West go?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Somewhere in Chicago?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Like where did he drop out? Chicago State University.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
But this is before he became Kanye the artist.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, okay, Logic, believe it or not, I would have
never guess.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I actually don't think Logic went to school. That's weird.
Uh Megs, that was like her whole thing, right, Meg, Yeah,
she went to college, like I understand for women and
like the empowerment of college and all that her still
going to college after she made it for what what
do you mean.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
For what people's careers end all the time?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's a promise she made her family that she would
finished college. Oh right, see now you're adding that to it.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
But even even if she didn't make her the retort, Now,
even if she didn't make that promise, why would she
stop people?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
We see fail rap careers all the time?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh? I agree that all the time.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
You you you the lifespan of a rapper is probably
a year, if that exact.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
What was Meg's degree?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Medical health certain something like health administration or something like that.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Okay, yeah, health administration, Bachelor of science.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh yeah, she work at a call center and ship
is it gonna work out? She went to tsue? Okay,
she could do what mal was doing in the hospitals.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Hey, hey, I I took pride in what I did. Yeah,
I took pride in my work.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
What type of pride you took?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I took pride in my work man making sure making
sure the patients got their food and what they wanted
to eat.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Sometimes they was cool I run into the store because
you know, the menu was whacked that day. They'd be like, yo,
let's go get me a cow zone.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
You know what I'm saying. Did you check their paperwork
to see if they could have a colson on if
you want to die?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Like doctor didn't understand why they pressure wasn't dropping like
Pepperoni cowsos there.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean, they't even give death row inmates food before
they died. Like I wanted to go out, all right?
I would like if I knew I was about to die,
I would definitely appreciate if mal went and got me
a man, like, come on, man, what you want?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Man?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
All right, I got you man. I'll be right back.
But back to my dying wish. If I know I'm
going to die, can you go out and get me cracked? Yes?
All right? Cool, I got you no more. But if
you're out of here, if I know you out of here,
all right, man, I gotta get you there, just smoking
cracking next to your oxygen machine, like just sneaking crack
into the facility, you can.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Do that ship they be fucking in the hospitals, whatnot?
Who'll be fucking? That's content? Patience, no patience.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
And yeah, I always thought there was like a joke
from like Happy Gilmour where all the the old people
were getting fucked. That's like really no patients like, yeah,
it's content or only who is Wait, all right, so
patients are fucking other patients or patients are fucking nurses.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
No, they're fucking like they're partners.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I've done.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
That, That's what I'm saying. You acted surprise.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I know. I thought it was like like Rando's Like
I thought like the nurse came like this is like
some porn scene. Oh no, I'm some sick guy and
nurse comes in and I start fucking. I'm like, I
don't feel like that happened. No, no, no, oh no,
I've definitely fucked the significant other in the hospital before.
I mean just a right pull it down to the
side a little bit. Yeah. So sometimes that's what they need,
uh check your temperature, recto, Yeah yeah, listen man, the

(07:11):
doctor will come in.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I used to hate that, yo, like I hated rectal thermometers.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Bro, I don't ever, I have no remembrance of ever
having a thermometer mask.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I could call my dad right now. He would tell
you the story about how I cursed out everybody in
the hospital and he was trying to do that. Say
your dad do not let him stick. No, I was
a kid cursing out everybody, like, don't let him stick
that in my butt.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I wasn't playing that ship.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Check, yo, for give me that ship put it under
my tongue though, you know, putting none in my ass
to check my kinky this.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm not that sick. More accurate, We ain't got to
be there.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'm not that sick.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I'm alright.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Let's get a little cold, nigga.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
You ain't got to steal my Ass's why we drink
through our butts too, like to get drunk or remember. No,
I don't remember no Wady doing that. Did we talk
about that, No, to o the tampon, Yeah, the tampon
and then yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I don't believe that though, I don't believe people did
that for real.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
But how old was you? Because imar had that should happened,
And that was the first time I've ever even seen somebody.
I thought that was like almost a myth. No, like
I thought it was. I thought it was like dogs
used to.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Get that ship. I might have been five six years old.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh no, I see that's that's kinky, A baby baby.
I have no remembrance ever I'm sure it happened to me.
I will call my he will tell you how I
was cursing, Like, yo, do not let him stick that
in my butt? Like what is that? I'm not that sick.
It's got a fever like this. My ass isn't hot.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Like my head happened to the back of the palm here,
remember to do that, like just right here, like you
gotta stay right here.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
You putting themme in my get the and I've been
sitting in the emergency room for three hours. I got
swamp ass.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I wasn't I wasn't with that. I wasn't even as
a kid.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I knew something wasn't right with that, Like no, no
remembrance of that whatsoever of having that done. Jake Paul
Tang Davis announced boxing is at its peak. Finally boxing
is back.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, I mean, I ain't mad at tank Man.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Get that bag. I'm not mad at him either.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Get that bag man.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
And as much as I give the Paul brother shit,
everyone get money man. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I mean, it's entertainment. We know what this is.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
This is just entertainment, okay, but they got me on
like their last ten fights. I don't really know if
I'm gonna like tune into this.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Oh, you're definitely gonna tune into this.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I can just see the replays on this is. This
is Jake's this is the last one was so it
was a fucking snooze The Tyson Ship was a snooze fest.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
But this is this is Jake's toughest opponent. This is
the toughest fight thing he's taking.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, I agree, but already watch it. It's rule there's
too many rules, Like.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
There's no rules. It's actually it's actually a bounty on
a knockout.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
They all right, but they say that every fight and
then it ends up being an exhibition. Now I don't
know if they said that. I don't know if they
said it's a boundary on a knockout every fight.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Okay, yeah I thought knockouts, but like not allowed on
some of the expert exit.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
No, there's like there's a there's a there's a bonus
if you're not in this fight, if you're not if
one of them knocks each other's out.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
So like they head hunting, man, what's what's in the
fine print? I feel like with these fights, they need
to show us the con This the only time I
want to see the contracts with fights, like please show
me what the real rules are, which you guys signed,
like sign it in person.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
So you're saying you want to you want to make
sure this is a real legit.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, this is a ligit fight, because this is insane
if it's a real fight.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, this is a legit fight.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Like even I thought it was insane with Tyson. I
don't care how old he is. Anytime the Paul brothers
had fought like a real opponent, I respect it, and
I think both of them, especially Jake, are great fighters.
I'm not here to shoot on their abilities. But it's
always been in the confined within the rules of an exhibition,
whether they tried to promote it differently or not. I'm
not knocking them for it. But you're just about to

(10:59):
fight tank with no rules.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
No, they're gonna have rules.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
You have to have rules, regular rules of boxing. I'm saying, like,
you can knock somebody up, Well, it says what and
when the acts of the fight would be an exhibition.
Most value of emotions co found in the Kisha bit
Arian total ESPN at the contracted weight and number of
rounds had yet.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
To be agreed upon. All of this is still being negotiated.
So however much Tank is able to weigh, I don't
think he's gonna go in there too much over his
normal fighting weight because he still wants to be quick,
but he'll be heavier than most of his normal fights.
So yeah, I mean, I don't I just think that'll
be it. And how many rounds is obviously another thing

(11:39):
to be negotiated. But as far as like, can I
punch you in your face?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Like absolutely no, like that's happened with all their fights.
You know they're gonna Paul and Floyd Mayweather one like
they weren't milking that old they went the distance.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, I mean, but again that's.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Tyson Ship like Tyson still Tyson Like. I don't know,
but this is a it's a straight up this is
a prime Tank Davis though. That's what I'm saying. That's
why this there has to be.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
She's significantly smaller than Jake Paul, but he's was significantly
smaller than Logan, but yeah, but he's still He's still
Tank is still still very dangerous in that ring, no
matter if you're bigger than him or not. But I
think this is going to be uh, probably Jake Paul's
most watched fight again because Tank, he's fighting somebody that

(12:26):
is at the top of their fight game and the
prime of their fight game. And Tank Davis is one
of the most exciting boxes that we have.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So this is Jake Paul. This is his biggest fight.
I mean, how do you think the I guess quote
unquote real boxing world is viewing Tank like his peers because.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
I guess I thought it from you know, when Tank,
when Jake Paul fought Tyson, remember and Tank jump jumped
on Twitter and he was like, man, I want to
fight you because he didn't like the fact that Jake
went in there and you know, kind of made an
older Mike Tyson. You know, it's like, why are you
hitting on an older guy? Like fight me? That's that
type of thing. So that's why this came. This fight
finally came to fruition because Tank wanted to fight. He

(13:10):
jumped out there, and Jake Paul, being the businessman that
he is, was like, he knows how much money this
would what would make and how big this fight would be.
So they obviously, you know, made it happen. But again,
I do think that Jake Paul's bigger all right. I
think that Tank is This is gonna be a tough
fight for t again. Tank Davis is Tank David. I

(13:32):
don't know if it's might.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
But tough of a fight. And I think Jake Paul
is a great fighter. But I'm saying, all right, anytime
the Paul brothers have fought real boxers, it's been Mayweather
at the end of his career type like they always
do it with the older legacy real boxers, which is cool. Whatever,
it's fun, it's entertainment. I'll pay ten ninety nine for it.
How would the boxing world view Mayweather when we've been

(13:56):
waiting for you to fight Pakia, but instead you go
fight a Was he retired when he took that fight?
Wasn't Floyd retired? No? No, of course, I'm saying Tank being
at at his prime right now, in the middle of
his prime. Instead of fighting somebody else, He's going to
the circus. And I don't mean the circus disrespectfully. I'm

(14:16):
saying no other fighter in there. Like imagine if Zab
took this fight at his prime, we be looking at
Zad like, what yo, what are you? What are you
doing right now? I mean, for that bag, I'm not
knocking it. I'm saying the real boxing with his peers
looking at him, like, you know, we get that this
has become a whole new genre. It's actually keeping money
in the pockets of the boxing world. We got to

(14:37):
deal with it. Matter of fact, we're starting to respect it.
But it's always the legacy acts. Of course, Tyson, if
he wants to go get a bag, he's older, it's fun. Yeah,
but now you're now you're really mixing these worlds with
somebody in a fucking prime. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
But it's different with Tank because he's not ducking nobody.
He's already fought everybody he's supposed to fight. Uh, the
Lamont Roach fight. I think it's still going to happen
after this fight. So yeah, this is one of the
bag he probably picked up, but this officially is there,
like thirty million for this or something like that.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Congrats to the Paul brothers by the way. Now he's like,
if anyone wants to question anything, you have been solidified
stamped as a professional boxer for the rest of your lives.
Like this stamped it. Tyson didn't stamp it. Mayweather didn't
stamp it. Tank Davis in his prime professional just stamped
that these are professional box You can't say a word
about Jake Pono. How could you? The number one in

(15:30):
his prime is fighting right now. Legacy acts.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
But if you go in there and get knocked out,
if he doesn't, if he doesn't, if he goes to distance,
we can start looking at Jake a little now as
a fighter.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
So Jake has nothing to lose here if he gets
knocked out. He got knocked out by a prime about
to be legendary fighter, if not already a legend in
his own right.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
No, Tank is a llegend.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yes, he's a legend. Jake has not to lose here. Tank. Literally,
we used to joke, Yo, Mayweather, you're doing this like
you got sit on your back now like this if
you want getting the ring with him. Everyone's saying they're
not real fighters is a joke. This is that. That's whatever.
Now it's for real. If Jake Paul goes to distance
with TAPS, he has the entire legacy of boxing on

(16:14):
his back right now. I gotta see what this. He
went from circus to prime time.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I ain't gonna lie, man, I I kinda want to
put money on Jake Paul in his fight.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Man, you fucking lion.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I'm just saying, I don't what we doing. I don't
know if I want to bet on a knockout, but
I'm just like the distance.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I might be, I might be I must tank is
what usually?

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Uh? And Jake's what usually two five two to.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Like two ten to fifteen something like that, two hundred?

Speaker 2 (16:49):
All right? Do we think Jake will lose weight? No?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I think Jake losing weight. I think he will something.
He's not gonna go in under two hundred pounds though.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Because now we're getting we're getting into live box saying
area at this point, like if we're gonna make he's
in his problem. There needs to be an actual weight
class for this needs to be. So they need to
meet somewhere. It can't be like, all right, Jake, you
go down to one ninety and Tank you go up
to one fifty. Like we have to have this is prime.
This isn't some old guy that's getting a bag. Yeah,

(17:18):
but we have to get we have to find a
middle ground. Everybody has to be one fifty five or nothing.
It doesn't worry that's Jake Paul not going into a
one to fifty five getting up to.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
One fifty five, Jake Puling in one fifty five, He's
gonna collapse trying to walk up the steps, going on already,
he's gonna be so dehydrated.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yet not, you don't think Jake. First of all, Jake,
I'm not saying like Jake anything, but he has been
one fifty five in his life before, Jake, Jake has
not looked this way life in high school? Yeah, how
all right? When was it Jake that thought of joy
going in in one fifty?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Point guard from the Celtics. Oh yeah. Next, then Nate Robinson,
You thought he was one fifty five when he walked in? No, no,
I want to know what way he was at that
before he got like to be a phot he was
probably two hundred. Was that Logan or Jake? I can't remember.
It was Jake Paul, Jake Paul Nay, But first of all,
that was one that I called I'm so mad I

(18:11):
didn't take more bets on that. I was dying laughing
when people, oh yeah, like please talking about Jake Paul's
I didn't say he was one fifty five. I thought
he was like, get down, he's not getting down no
lighter than one eighty nine. Yeah, yeah, like you're going
he going in there? He might. I think he'll get
down on one ninety. Though the difference is how many

(18:34):
that was twenty twenty. It's been Jacob. But I think,
all right, Jake's last fight, how have he was? He
definitely wasn't two hundred even. He was more than it
might have been two twenty five. He was more than that.
That's what I'm saying. It's been a big fighting a
bigger guy. Yeah, it's been a big gap from the
Nate Robinson fight he was twenty seven, from the Tysons

(18:55):
he was two twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh man, it's gonna be an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I take it. Tanks reach? Can we pull up tanks reach?

Speaker 3 (19:03):
What's their height?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Difference to tank is like five to seven. I think
Jake Paul might be six feet six to one.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Maybe. Yeah, it's gonna be see. But I don't like
this because now all of a sudden, y'all got me
thinking Jake Paul could win. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
But the reason when I start looking at this, consider
what you're saying. No, no, no, Because listen, that's what I'm saying.
I might be inclined to just put some money on
Jake going the distance or something like that.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
If I want to bet on him knocking Tank out,
I don't. I'm not going I'm not gonna do that,
but go to distance because I think I think Tank
going in there to knock him straight out, Like Tank
wants to knock him out. Now, is he would he
be able to? Is he going to?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
I think Jake Paul is a lot.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It would be like an exhaustion knockout. He's not going
in there haymaker knockout. He would have to wear him
out for rounds to the point that he's just getting xhausted,
and then just one is just putting him down.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
All it takes is one.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Oh no, of course, But there's there's exhaustion knockouts and
then there's straight up.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
But no, you can you can get caught with one
when you fully your tank is full. And if you
get caught with one, all yeah, you played.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Fight night before. Even if you get with a hate
make all night in real life and be at one
hundred percent with the cheat CODs knocked out real life
clean knocked out, this.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Is gonna be a good fight, though, I think there's
gonna be a good fight.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I do think this will be a good fight.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I know people how they feel about Jake Paul, and
obviously Tank Davis is a fucking legend, but I do
think I think there's gonna be a better fight than
people think.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's funny because I like Jake Paul a lot, but
I also like rooting against him. Yeah, that's why everybody's
people want to see him get knocked out.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's because you want that. They want to see him
get his head knocked off.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
But it's such a weird thing in my head because yes,
I want to see that too, because I want to
prove that, Like it's almost like wrestling is real like boxing,
like now you can't fuck with real boxers. But he
continues to prove himself. But this is the one. If
he wins, I'm sorry, He's.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
No, I don't do that because if he went, not
gonna say, yo, they paid him to win and all
of that, Like y'all not gonna give Jake Paul's credit,
So don't do that. I do think it'll be a knockout.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I mean, his brother couldn't even be Jelly Rose, Like,
what are we talking about he did. They did be
jelly roll he did. Yeah, we're talking about that was
in the script. See do you go with the scription?
Do you go with this script? Shit? Either way?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
November fifteenth, I think November fifteen, sixteenth, nineteenth, one of
the One of the Teens, sixty seven, November fourteenth on Netflix,
Netflix right in Atlanta State Farm Arena.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Hey, Netflix, man, have y'all servers updated that skipping shit.
I was dealing with that last fight, bad service all
of that.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Have that fixed. Make sure y'all got enough fucking computers.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Because that's gonna be this. Everybody's watching this.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm starting to walk back son in my text right now.
Why they have a ten inch difference on reach? You
don't what it's like to fight somebody with a tent
like they have ten inches? Told you I might even
trying to get to you is like I.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Might want to put some money on Jake Paul.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
You just have you know quick, he'll find Angle.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Is the better fighting by far. Think is the better fighter,
by far. He's the better fighter better box by far.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Goes without saying significantly bigger than when you got a
white boy in that ring that you know he willing
to die in that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
J Paul willing to down Netflix. You niggas ain't willing
to down Netflix.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
He willing to down Netflix. I don't know, man, I
don't know. I gotta wait till the odds come out. I
look at FanDuel when it gets closer and see, like
what they saying, See if I can put a little pull,
pull a little something on Jake Paul going a distance
or something like.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
That where they fight. That is it in Vegas, Steve
fhar Marina, Joe Atlena, oh oh Man hit volume right
now if we're not ringside and dealers over, Yeah, I
don't want to be right. That was in our stimulation
with in our contract.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
The ring side you get Basseeleen Blood.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Specifically with Tang Davis and Jake Paul. We were ahead
of our time. We said, if this fight happens, we
gotta be ringside.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
As a slight tank is a slight favorite right now.
So I'm saying, man, it might be you might be
in kind to put a little something on Jake Paul. Man,
I'm just saying, just the distance, at least to go
to distance. They got Jake Paul with a sixty four
percent chance of winning. Oh, Tank, I'm about to say
they got Jake with a sixty four pers That's even

(23:36):
crazy to me. That makes me want to put something
on Jake. So I'm trying to tell you sixty four
percent chance and win it for Tank right now, I
don't know, man, It's gonna be interested though. I still
think Tank is gonna win to fight, but it's gonna
be interesting, It's gonna be it's gonna be fun to watch.
But I do think Tank is gonna win to fight.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, since we've seen you, which I told you off
Mike that Cardi B was cursing me out on Thursday
night at midnight, I was praying to God that Imaginary
Players was good, just so I could save my own
mental health and my own phone and her messages that
I was going to get. What did you think? I'm
honestly saying. I do like the record. I do. I
think she was talking to shit. I think it was

(24:21):
a cool, a cool flip, same concept. I think it's
a cool girl version of that. I think it's great record. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
I like that she leaned into that because, like I've said,
that's where Carti separates herself from the rest of the
female rappers is the fashion shit. She's always been so
into fashion shit the moment she got famous. So yeah,
I'm happy that she leaned into talking her shit with that.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I liked it, glorial bars. I like the watch
taking the links out like she has some bars and there.
I think it's a great record for women. And I'm
actually glad that they just left the beat kind of
as is, because I mean, not even back to the
also thing, but in general we've talked about like some
of these flips are getting we're absolutely out of control.
So I'd rather her just wrap over the original beat

(25:06):
than try to flip it and make it something that's
not in sound weird, like to imagine a players drill record.
I just don't good. So that's what I would. I
don't think be scared that it was going to be that,
but I know, I think it's a cool record. I
thought the video was great. Yeah, that's that's really my
take on it. I don't know if I don't know
if it's what I really feel or if I'm terrified,
but you know, it could be fair. No, No, I

(25:29):
really do like the record, and I thought the video
is great. Thoughts on the bronzeledgend you already have imagined
a players.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I mean, yeah, no, I love Cardi.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
You canna be honest, you can be honest sniffles for
this whole time now obviously got sinuses.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah no, I love Cardi and I'm supporting Cardy. I
thought it was cool, okay.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
I just.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I don't know if BK Tied Away would have proved
rest in peace be K tied away if I don't
know if she would have been jacking it, Like, I.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Just you know what it is.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I think it's I just I don't know, and I
don't I try not to listen to you know, a
lot of these newer artists with the same hip hop
ears the same music is that I was raised with,
only because it's just a different time now. But it's
just something about the record that doesn't feel authentic to me.

(26:36):
It just feels too placed. It's like they would It's
like almost like chasing you know, the fact that it's
a sample from a song that we all know. Some
people didn't even know the song since the first time
they're ever hearing about Imaginary Player, But it just feels
too I want to say produced. It feels too coached,

(26:59):
like I don't I don't. I don't feel what Cardi
is saying, Like really the glory whole line I thought
it was was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
That was a slick line. I like that, but.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's just something about I didn't like the ad lib,
like I don't like the bitch like it just was
like it didn't it's this is supposed to be played.
It's supposed to be cool. It's supposed to be It
just felt like it was too very this like say this,
say this, say this, say it like yeah, I just

(27:28):
didn't feel like I just didn't believe what she was
saying in it. Now we all know Cardi is successful,
and you know she's fucking rich, and you know she's
doing her thing Like it's no, we get that part,
but it's just something about the song that when we
heard the sample was coming, I'm like, okay, cool, Like
you know, legendary classic record. Not a lot of people
touch that record, if anybody has ever done it. So

(27:51):
I was looking forward to that, but then when we
got it, I didn't. I didn't like walk away from
the video feeling like damn, Like Cardi went up another
she went up a level with this one.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean, but do you know delivery not coach per se,
but she is, and I don't mean this in a
bad way. It is very much like she's reading off
the paper. But that's her style. Like, yeah, but I
don't think that's works. I'm not saying lines like I
like those Balenciaga's, the ones that look like socks like,
but that's the I think that's why people like it,

(28:24):
because she delivers it that way.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
But then you can't do that over this sample, because
that's not the point of it, is that this sample was.
This was very cool, very laid back, very you know play.
This was like Jay was really style in this whole
record in a cool way. He wasn't you know, It
wasn't too much aggression. It wasn't you know, like you
believe what Jay was saying.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
But so you think she should have completely redid imaginary players,
like not put her own twist on.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
No, she could, and she she did, she'd put her
twist on it. But I'm just saying that. I just
feel like, you know, just hearing it again, say I
didn't know who Cardy was. This is the first time
we hear this, This this this this artist, like I
would be like, yo, but why does she sound like that?
Like why does it sound like she's punching in every line?

(29:12):
Like you know what I'm saying, Like it didn't, it didn't,
It didn't just didn't feel authentic to me. It felt
like who told you to say that? Like that's how
it felt to me, Like, Yo, who told you to
say that?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Because when you even if and that's the thing that
people don't and I could be totally wrong, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I'm open to being wrong.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Cardi may have written this herself, like she may not
have no writers in the studio when.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
She did this right.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Well, that's that's what it says on the credits.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
And in the past when Carti has had assistance with writing,
she's had those writers credited on songs this one.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
She's So even if she did say she wrote this right,
you can't read it learn the lines like live with
the Live, live with the actual record. So when you're
not it doesn't feel like I'm reading this as I'm
rapping this, because if you're rapping it, you can't be
It's a fine line between rapping and reading just the

(30:01):
way you say certain certain words, the way when you
jump off of a word to get into the next word.
It's you know, it's a style. It just has to
flow a little more seamlessly. And I feel like this
was very like, it was very staccato. It was very
so I.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Understand that, I understand exactly what you're saying. I think
the reason why that is, I don't think it has
anything to do with reading. I think it's because of
Carti's accent. I think recording songs is a little bit
harder for her because I think what she's trying to
do is make sure y'all understand her because she's been
criticized in the past for her pronunciation not being that great.
And I think that's why it sounds like she's reading

(30:39):
it or saying it so hard, because she's trying to
make it like she's trying to make y'all hear it.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, are you saying over annunciates yeah purposely. That's why
I think it's been her style, Like I hear you.
It definitely does sound it's such a but but I
feel like that's always kind of that. Even Bodak Yellow
to some degree felt that I felt like that became
her style, which is she's the only rapper that I
can think of that gets away with that and makes
it a style because we've been in the studio rappers
and I've that's the number one thing I say. It

(31:06):
sounds like you're reading off your phone right now, so
you're not rapping. It sounds like you're reading it like
you could tell the difference. But I think Cardi has
made that her her style, like that is kind of
her not.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Because I heard Cardi songs where it didn't sound like that,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like, or at
least it wasn't as in your face, you know what
I'm saying, Like, obviously you know she has an accent.
That doesn't mean nothing to me. I'm from the same place.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I hear that.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
To me, that's just how people talk where I'm from,
you know what I'm saying. It's not even I don't
consider that an accent. When people in LA be like
you got a New York accent, I'm like, what the
fuck is that? Like I just talk.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
The funniest thing is when people from LA tell you
they don't have an accent.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Oh yeah, well that's a whole other thing. So Carti's
accent is not like I'm from the Bronx, you know
what I'm saying. That's so that is not anything to me,
Like I understand.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
That, but it's still the words.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Just didn't you know again, she did a good job
with the with the flip like the sample, like not
mad at that, but I just wasn't in love with
it like I was. I thought this was going to
take you know, the cards shit up another level. Like
she's gonna look great every time we see us, so
visually everything is on point, you know what I'm saying.
We don't ever have to worry about that with Cardi.
She's gonna always look good anytime we see her, Like

(32:14):
we get that part. I'm more so on just the
music side. I'm a consumer of music, so I'm just
listening to the music and.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
It was cool.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I'm not in love with it, but I also don't
hate it. I don't hate it, but I'm not in
love with it. I'm just like, Okay, that was cool.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Do we think September nineteenth, right, Do we think we'll
get another single? And correct me if I'm wrong if
she's announced something that I don't know about. Do we
think we'll get another single before the album's one month away.
M I'm on the side that we're gonna get another one.
I think they're obviously gonna work this record. But I
think week of, Yeah, I can see week of for

(32:50):
a video another single. I think no, I think this
is the one they was this was it? I don't
think so.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
And the reason why I don't think so is because
this is, uh, it's not a commercial enough song for
it to be a Cardi's like for it to be
the one that they're leaning.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I mean, neither was Bodak.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
How many singles?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Was an accident? You said, what?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
How many singles has she given us already?

Speaker 3 (33:14):
From this out?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Just outside?

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, just outside? This would be the second.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I mean, if you if you count whopping up if
it stuck, but yeah, I mean technically outside and this
is the only two.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
And so yeah, I think a third one is I
got leaked.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
I think the only reason why they put Outside out
is because it got leaked outside a video.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
But it was going to be a single that was
definitely going to be a single, probably one that was
going to be a single.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
But Outside, I think we get one. They don't get
more single than your song being called outside. I think
because we got two singles that are just Cardi, which
I appreciate when that type of ship. I think we're
going to get another single with a feature, a big feature.
Who that is? I don't know, but that's what I think.
I can't see them just having two Cardis singles was

(34:00):
as is and not putting out one with a big
feature before the album.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Who you think the feature will be?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I don't know. It's a good question.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Uh who does card got beef with? Who does she
not for? I don't know the girls beef like that?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Who is just Nikki from my understanding? So she cool
Lotto mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
She was just.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
A couple of records.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's still cool with Meg, right.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
But I don't think they'll go with the Meg Cardi.
They did that with Boggles again and I say it
didn't work. But about I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I don't think it'll be a girl.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah. I don't think it'll be a girl either.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Unless it's an R and B singer.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
So who would it be?

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Like a gun or somebody like that? Nah, I would think.
I mean, I know she has a record says already,
but I could see like a Scissor or something like that.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
She had a couple of records with Chris Chris Kaylannie.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
He said Jack Harlow that Jack Harlow and Dojer record
is fire, and it is. I don't know why we
all skipped over that record. That record is dope.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Which record was that?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It was his last single with Dojah. They're all in
a scott Lake and drama at the bar in the video,
DOJ went crazy on that. I don't know. I would
want to bad Bunny. I could see a bad Bunny
Cardy record because with Jay Balvins on the last one

(35:25):
and there.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
To get on, they're both bad.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Bunny was on it too.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, I mean, I'm who would you like to see
Cardi do a record with Doja? Yeah? I think Doja.
I can also very much see Dochi being on this
Cardi album for sure. I don't think. I don't think
it'd be a single necessarily, But as far as Girl
would have.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
To be a single, you're not going to have a
Dochi version and not be a single.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Their last album. I was gonna say she had all
and they weren't single. Yeah. Yeah, but they didn't know
what that album was going to do. Back then though.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Nobody knew what that are.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You kidd it was like three number one records before
it came out. Yeah, yeah, I think they knew Atlantic,
but I don't know. Maybe maybe Ice Spice. I'm not
mad about that. We didn't get to this last week
the Marisit tweeted out that Tyler was supposed to be Rihanna,
and Maul agreed with her.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I never said.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
No. There's been a lot. Why has Tyler been in
the news this much lately? I saw Cardi was defending her.
She's just been the conversation. I haven't really understood why.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
So what I'm assuming I can only assume is that
so Tyler released like a little, you know, little EP
with a single or two, and it's not receiving it.
It's the Cardi syndrome. It's not hitting like water. So
because it's not hitting like water, people are saying, that's
feeling right. Did you just thought the Cardi sent the
same thing you said, like if you if you do

(36:56):
so well on your first drop, anything to do after
as never, she's never gonna be able to match water
Like It's a fucking cluture.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
That didn't even go number one, did it?

Speaker 3 (37:05):
It didn't.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
But it's it's more of the how big the song was,
and you guys were very surprised to hear it didn't.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Go number one.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, yeah, you know, so definitely felt like.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
A number one.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I think that I think the issue people and what
people on the internet are saying. The issue is, oh, well,
because she says she wasn't black, she was cool. Well,
she didn't say she wasn't black, because she says she
was colored in which are South African terms. Because she
says she was colored, the black community stopped supporting her.
And I'm like, that's not why her EP wasn't as
successful as her last album, Like that has nothing, Like

(37:34):
I don't know why people think that. They're like, yeah,
you need the background of the black community to get big, and.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I'm like, it's not. That's not what's going on.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
To be fair, I think the EP didn't do good.
I didn't even know she put a EP out, and.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
That's what I think it is. I don't think it
has anything to do The music.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Is probably great. EP is probably great. I just didn't
even know she put the EP out.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, I see the EP WWP, which apologies, I'm not
sure what that that means but four pack first record.
Whiz Kid, what man, you're a peach Peach?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
You said, w w P. I don't know what that
stands for. Peach Peche said what he thinking stands for?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
What does he think it stands forth?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I'm not repeating, I'm not even.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
It stands for we want to party?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Oh? Gotcha? Okay, that was a little was close. Wet
wet pussy, that's what he said. Yeah. It was like
the time when Chief Key put out his first album,
but I think it was a breakfast club. Somebody asked
him like, so, why did you go with the name
finally rich And he was like, I don't know. I've
seen like everybody was saying finally famous, and I was like, yo,

(38:37):
I'm I'm finally rich. That checks out. That makes sense,
he said. It was only Big Sewan named this album
finally famous, So Chief Key just stumbled upon like the big.
She was like, oh, I finally I'm finally rich. Here
you go. Yeah, so Tyler saw wap what that's pussy?
It was just like, well this is wet web pussy. Yeah,
all right, God hold up on the web, same thing.

(38:58):
It's her finally rich. That's finally rich. But why do
you guys think this isn't working? And I want my flowers?
It's okay if you guys want to know, give them
to me later. You know, she's in fact not Rihanna
the way you guys said she was. But anyway, I
like Tyler, but this, I mean, I feel like water
was pretty organic to start, and then they obviously worked

(39:20):
the record and you couldn't escape it because it's a
generational song. But I don't know, do they not know
how to actually work a Tyler album? Who was she
signed to? She is signed to Epic Records.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Okay, yeah, I didn't see any The only promotion I
saw from it was Twitter saying that it did terrible.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I saw no promotion.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I had no idea this came out. This was July
July twenty fifthe I had no idea, Like I had
no idea she put out a EP album July.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
It's given. Blame the team, whoever the team is, It's given.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Blame the team.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
But even if I mean true, somebody obviously on that
side do enough to get it, you know, where it
needed to be. But I mean, this is still like
Tyler is a She's her name is big she's she's
a huge, huge artist.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Like that is a thing anymore unless you have like
a seven year fan base, and that doesn't mean anything anymore.
Were your name as far as selling records and being
you're big, it doesn't. That doesn't mean anything when it
comes to.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
But even if you don't, even if you don't stream, well,
even if you don't. I'm just saying for Tyler to
have an ep out and most people not know she
has an ep out, that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Not even not saying people would download it because they
know it's out and people would stream it. I'm not
saying that, but people should know she has an ep out.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I mean I think if you have the success she's
had with in the last couple of years, I mean,
how could you not know that that artist is putting
the EP out? I just something is not Something is
off there.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I mean, is it has twenty three million streams on Spotify?
So I don't know, like what if that's based off
more playlisting or anything. But that's not like terrible, that's
metrics like.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
No that she But I'm just saying people, I just
don't you didn't know she put an ep out? No,
you are, you are actively putting out music, like use
somebody that knows when music is coming out. That's what
I'm saying. People like that should not be oblivious to
the fact that Tyler has an ep of Like something
is something is awkward there, Like something's like why don't
people know that Tyler has an ep up?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I mean, I don't want to like get personal, but
when we were having that conversation with the Rihanna versus
her and her having like remnants of Rihanna's early career
with a big record and you know, international and coming
to the States to break the record, there's always that
it factor too. And I'm not saying Tyler doesn't have it,
because I promise I really don't pay enough attention to
her outside of the music to know that. But that

(41:50):
is a thing that matters like a lot, is that
it factor that Rihanna has that personality, like that identity
is that can separate you from having just incredible music
and also being a pop superstar.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
But also I wouldn't ask someone who was around from
the beginning of Rihanna's career like I was, that was.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
The target audience. That's what I'm saying. I'm like that.
I don't even think that matters because.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Rihanna's personality of Rihanna didn't come around her Rihanna. Rihanna
didn't come around to around a third album.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Ray Lars when it like.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah, I was like that third album when we got
like bad gal reed that that's when she become that.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Otherwise she was just the cute girl from Barbabi.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah. But even I mean outside of the the obvious
with the Chris Brown incident with the Grammys, there was
still you got to know her a bit more when
she started dating Chris.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Okay, yes, So I.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Just feel like Tyler doesn't have that part, and I'm
not I'm not on some time like she's Ice Spice
or the I don't think the clock is on for
Tyler at all. Like I think she's going to have
a long career. She's super talented, but that part to
me is missing as a casual consumer, like as the
person that's just like, oh, when's the next Tile album?
I'm all right, cool, I don't know enough about her, Okay,

(43:03):
Like even I was not even mad. I know a
lot of people got mad at Charlotmae when he asked
like the questions that epic told him not to ask
with the color colorism and everything, and you know, she
was looking at her team and the team was like,
don't do that. Move on. I don't know. I feel
like that stuff is also important to like get to
know this person, to have some type of identity outside

(43:24):
of just being an amazing song writer. Yeah, but who
are who are you?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I don't blame her team for being scared when it
comes to giving up too much of who their artists is,
because you can be a personality, a personality, a personality
and you say the wrong thing in motherfuckers will cancel you.
And it's a sensitive climate. So I don't blame them
for being protective of shuck be cute and shucked fuck up.
But I do agree and in this same climate, you

(43:52):
can't just be.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Or lean into all right, maybe prep her better. This
is where like artist development used to come in, and
I mean, and you know, it's breaking the fourth wall
a bit of where they would prep artists to say
the right thing. And I'm not saying training, yeah, but
still lean into it, like having an opinion. Teach us,
like I don't think we should be telling Tyler about
her culture. Tell us don't avoid the question tell us

(44:18):
about it. Am I crazy for thinking about it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:21):
You can if you were talking about anything else, Yes,
But when it comes to race relations and America, we
real sensitive about that shit, real sensitive obviously.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
But so I don't I don't think.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I'm not saying she should come in here and offend
people and be like Elon is my cousin. Y'all aren't
like I'm just like I only Trevor Noah is the
only one I identified with. I'm just saying that's a
culture that she would know better than us, And I
think media training can teach you the best way to
tell the world about your experiences. That's that's all. I

(44:55):
think that's a disconnect because even with like Rihanna, when
you know, earlier her career, she was heavy leaning into
the basing stuff because obviously she was from Barbados, but
started to get more of an American identity and herself
as it went on. But that's because they let Rihanna
do that, like they let her have a vision of
who she should be and what she wants to do.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
MA, what do you think about Tyler about just the
conversation in general or where things may have gone wrong.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I just think that is that's still early for her.
I think it's still early for Tyler.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
She's young.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I think she has a lot of opportunity left. I
think that they're still trying to figure out her sound
a little bit. I think this is still like a
kind of like a figuring it out stage for her.
She may be going through artist development in real time. Yeah,
like artists don't. Artist development is not even the thing

(45:51):
no more. It's like get a record, it goes viral,
label gives your deal, put a project out, maybe you
get a second project out, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
But it's like I think.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Tyler, they see that she's and she can be a
long career artist, and I think they're just trying to
figure out her sound and things like that, trying different things.
I think, yep, four songs. I think, you know, it's
kind of like spoon feed them, like just see if
this works, see if that works. I think she may
just be going through artists development in real time. I
think they may be developing her in front of our eyes,

(46:24):
like and then trying to figure it out. But I
think she's talented. I think she has a cool personal
I think she has a likable personality. I think people
will naturally like her. I just think that she's just
going through artists development in real time. I don't think
that this is like any knock on her talent. I
think I think that they're trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
She's dope. And again she's also twenty three, so she
doesn't really have an identity yet. Yeah, it's saying they're
trying to figure out.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
They're trying to figure he out.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
If she had no talent, I would be like, all right,
clock is fucking on. If it's not connecting now and
this was something that was put together just because you're pretty, yeah,
I would say clock is on.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
She's she's very pretty, she's very talented, Like I think
she has she I think she.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Does have a star. Yeah, she's a star.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
She's a definite star. I think the music in her
sound just have to catch up to her star quality.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
She's a star.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Like I think if any exec is sitting in the
office and they see her and they hear water any
of these records, they're like, oh no, we can definitely
she's a star. We just have to get you know,
the music to a certain level. Get a comfortable with
certain producers and things like that.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
But we even want to say that because her her
first album, and that's what my tweet originally was, Tyler's
first album is good, not like you just hear it
once and it's like, oh, this is cute little music,
like I'll put I put on Tyler's first album and like,
listen to it, Like the lyrics are good, the production
is good. Like it's a really really good album. So
that's why I was so surprised that this one didn't

(47:50):
do as well. To be fair, I've only heard maybe
two out of the four songs, and again it's an EP.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
It doesn't get the.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Same What is the features like? What was her like?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Does she do records with a lot of artists.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Featuring on others? Not that much. I mean I didn't
particularly love like and I know it's gonna look like
more Travis Scott hate and I promise it's not like
I didn't like that they put Travis on the Water remix. Yeah,
that was weird. I liked on My Body record with
Becky g I thought that made sense. Gonna I get
Times obviously.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
I guess that Times one is my ship.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, number one that's just far song. But yeah, you're right,
she hasn't really featured on a lot of Like I'd
rather hear her on a gonna album, I gonna on
her shit, Like, I think that would help with her
visibility and her new fans and just being more in
the mixing. So I'm with you. I think that would
definitely be the case. But when was the last time

(48:42):
they the quote unquote industry has broken a black pop act. Yeah, exactly,
because that's really the question that I when was the
last time? Obviously we have the legacies who are the ones?
But that's been like kind of I don't know, absent
for how many years, Like when was the last new

(49:03):
black pop act, especially female.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
That did well?

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Because remember Chloe at her moment when we thought she
would be the one, and that didn't go the way
it needed to.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, I can't even Peach are looking pa is looking
it up.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Right now because I mean even all right, Normani Normani
is incredible. That record with Chris Brown. I'm forgive me
for forgetting the name. I mean, I don't know what
the disconnect is with Normani the one. She makes great music.
I don't get it they give her the opportunities as well, Like,
it's not like she doesn't get the looks. Who's our
girl at Sony, Tanash has gotten every look and talented.

(49:40):
I don't know what the full disconnect.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Is, dope, Like her music is good, like she I
think she's talented. I just don't to with word saying
I don't know what the disconnect is there though, Like
I don't know why people or more people don't support
or talk about Tanasha.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I think she's talented.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
I think because pop music is centered. Pop music for
the longest has been center toward the young teenage white girls,
and young teenage white girls don't support and push as
heavy for someone they don't they can't see themselves in Yeah,
So it's not about the talent, it's about the people
who make pop music move. If they don't identify with you,

(50:17):
they don't look at you and see themselves as you.
Taylor Swift is so popular not because her music is
the greatest. It's because every dorky white girl looks at
her and says, like, she reminds me of me. She's
writing about this boy that she loves, and I just
won't love her back. She reminds me of me. That's
why she's as big as she is because she's so
relatable to the masses, and if you want to be
big in pop, you have to be relatable to the masses.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
In a very beautiful black girl, It's not I have
my opinion on it.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
All the bigger acts, like if you go siss of
Vitry money, like, they're all crossover R and B that
goes into pop, which is strange because straight pop music
does not work with black female artists. I'm sorry, not female. Now,
let's say that black women.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Artists black female artists is okay, hm, that's all right.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
You know, we want to know what AP was.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
You want to say urban acts, back bitches, that's what
when labeled say urban, that's what they're actually saying. But
then traditional R and B doesn't work either. It's only
really I feel like that middle ground that works in
twenty twenty five with black artists. When was the last
time there was just a straight pop ax that was
broke that didn't cross over? Because to me, Taylor Swift

(51:27):
is a crossover with country and pop, like, when was
the last time a straight like Destiny Child came out?
And of course they were R and B to the core,
don't get me wrong, but that was a pop girl
group Beyonce again crossover with that was pop? When was
the last time that's even happened with with white artists?
Sabrina Carbinson. Sabrina had to put out fifteen albums that

(51:48):
weren't popped before that happened. I'd like, straight pop music
isn't like a thing per se anymore. Yeah, Charlie x
or whatever, who's uh, Dave Chapelle's sister Chappelle, what's her name?

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Chapel, Roam Chapel Rome. Dave Chappelle's sister is funny as ship.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
For some reason, I.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Would about say Dave chappelle sister makes music. That's the
most incredible secret I've ever because I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I guess that's straight pop, I suppose, but yeah, I
don't know, like Sam Smith, but even though that's that's
sort of rooted in R and B at the end
of the day, but that was a straight pop act.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Is R and B around?

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Grande just makes more R and B than she does pop.
It's crossover crossover, but she's not a straight pop artist.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
She's like a Disney kid, isn't she.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
They don't get Sate McCrae.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Yeah, Tate McCray is the last I think she might
have been the last one that popped off.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I don't know, man, I just feel like trying to
break pop acts is not the move anymore. Make good
music and find someone that has a personality and wing it. Yeah,
I think that, Tyler, Like you think like when when
Teddy Swims made Losing Control. That's been on Billboard for
I don't know since I since nineteen ninety, so that

(53:08):
since I was born. I think I doubt they went
in there trying to make a pop record, and he's
not what you would call the pop vision of what
he looks like. Shit, jelly rolls now.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Pop, Jally rolls a wrestler. It's the most incredible crossover
we've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Taylor can sell out met Life, but can she do Suplex.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
No, she cannot do what Jelly Roll did at Summer Slam.
Absolutely that.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, I don't know. The lines are too blurred now
to even think about trying to break a pop back.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
We got to bring back the shows, man. We don't
have more in MTV real world. We need those shows back.
I think pop music was better with TRL and Oh
shows like you need those, man, you need those.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I mean, we need alternative rock back we do. This
is the story of a girl. She looks so sad
in photograph. I absolutely loved her.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
I think Tyler would be good just to close us off.
I think she'll be good if she doesn't try to
aim for America's approval.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I know that was my point of saying, be yourself,
like I think tell Charlemagne answered Charlemagne's questions, don't cater
to America.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
No, I wasn't even talking about that. I'm just going
about as far as like what your music career period like.
Other countries are more loyal than we are. We like
bubbleho She's wrong, Yeah, we like bubblegum music. Now like
in bubblegum artists, they're.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Loyal to a lot of things. Nelson Mandela was like
a word, absolutely loyal to the soil.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Maul.

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