Best of Rory & Mal: Week 9/8

This week on New Rory & Mal, Mal recalls Aaliyah sneaking him into the 2001 NBA All-Star Game, Rory takes issue with mothers attaching step father's last names to their children, Demaris tries to rally the pod to go to an NBA Youngboy concert, and Mal can't think of anybody who is a better dancer than Chris Brown #volume 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Alia snuck me in the All Star Game.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Who Ali Fire In two thousand and one when we
went to DC because she we all had we had
a skybox, we had a sweet. But when we were
on the way there, obviously it was right in DC,
a bunch of people came down, so it was like, yo,
it ain't tickets for everybody, but we got a sweet,
so you don't need to be sitting down in the suite,

(00:28):
but you need a ticket to get into the building.
So we get there and I'm walking and then Alia like, yo,
you got a ticket. I was like nah. She was
like damn. So what happened was because we all walked
up at the same time, they didn't scan him. They
just wanted you to show the ticket. So everybody showed

(00:48):
the ticket. So I'm standing right behind the list, so
she showed her ticket. Dame was standing there with her,
and she kind of like did this move right here,
and like handing me her ticket back, and.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I just flashed the ticket. We all got in and
we was just dying.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
It was about fifty of us in that skybost and
it was only like twenty tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's always that's I was just last in the bands
in past.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Oh my god, that was a classic weekend, that weekend
in d C.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, you always got a story every time you talk
about you got a different story from it front.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, I mean before it was Hole taking a girl
and we talked about that, but you completely left out
that a lea snuck you into the game.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
And then he also said about he was in a
section with Chilling with a Bow Wow that same year.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, the at the I think the name of the
club was Zanzibar in DC at the time, sounds like
a juice bar. Now in New England, name of the
club was like Zanza Bar or something like that. Nelly
was on fire at that time, he was performing. Our
hotel was where everybody was staying. The players were staying. Yeah,
every party, Yeah, every every artist that was down there

(01:47):
were staying there. Like that ship was crazy. That was
like definitely one of the best weekends ever.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Well, I mean, I'm it's not to make anything morbid,
but do you know how beautiful the of a blessing
that is that you had that weekend?

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Six months before Leo Leadye six months later.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Six Jesus I was in, We were in, we were
together the week before she died in the Hamptons.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
When we found out she.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Died, we was in the Hamptons at the house and
it was crazy because like her like in the room,
like her lotion, her tall trees, makeup, sneakers was like
still in the room.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Oh my god. That was freak Oh my god, that.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Is yeah, that was like it was just around this
time in August and some in the Hamptons. So magic
getting that call and like like being in the same
house that y'all was all just in the week before
because it was the summer house in the Hamptons, like
and like you could still physically see tailet trees and
sneakers and you know how crazy that was, Like thinking back,

(02:44):
that was like that that almost felt like an unreal moment,
like and then seeing it Kurt Loder, I think broken
on MTV. Obviously we knew before MTV announced it. And
then my brother, God bless Biggs and Bob. They left,
they went back to the city because Dane was just
he was fucked up, and so they left. They left
the Hampons and drove back now to the city and

(03:05):
we was all just sitting in the house just like
this shit can't be real, Like it was the crazy,
Like everybody we had the two way pages, so everybody
was getting the messages on their two ways. Like it
was crazy, but it was like eerie because again the pool,
everybody was just in like at the same house literally.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
The weekend before.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, you know, crazy, like
that was like and you still physically seeing stuff that
she was like those are her things, some of her things,
Like that's how crazy of a like eerie feeling that
that shit was like what, like this cannot be real?
And yeah, it just passed right, yeah, because it was September. Yeah,
it just passed a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, no,

(03:45):
it was like that was damn twenty four years ago.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Shit, how much did that like derail everything that was
going on? Because she was cool with everybody. Yeah, like no,
she was hanging out with softball games. I mean yeah,
she was. It was one of the she was.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
She was part of the crew that was that was
the homie man, that was you know, that was she was.
She was like the prototypical my girlfriend could hang around
and got my home. Yeah, like it was that type
of thing. Like looking back, everybody was younger.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
She was only what.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Twenty one passed. Yeah, man, so it was like everybody
was young. Man, it was ship twenty four years ago.
That's crazy, but yeah, nah, it was. It was definitely
a sad like super That was one of the more dark,

(04:39):
sad moments I think I could remember. Obviously when my
brother passed it is probably the most crushing thing ever,
but Eliah's death because it was so tragic and sudden
and you know, obviously you know, it was just like
what you know what I'm saying, she was so young
When you think about it, it was. It was definitely
one of the greatest times, but it was. It was

(05:00):
definitely a fun a fun moment though, a fun moment
in time like those years was definitely a lot of fun,
a lot of labs, a lot of good memories. But yeah,
definitely some heartbreaking shit though, just thinking about because I
remember I thought I was I wanted to talk about
that last week, I think when it was the anniversary
and it just slipped my mind. But now thinking about it,

(05:20):
talking about All Star weekend and Elia's definitely giving me
a ticket, sneaking me in the All Star Game.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean, I've always felt like and it may
sound like a crazy sentence. But I've always felt like
Aleah is the biggie of R and B. The time
that she had here, the blueprint that was left for everyone.
The current R and B, the what we talk about
like everyone now is fucking Dwayne Chief Keith, Like you

(05:47):
know that the influences we talk about of how everyone
makes music now, her DNA is all over the new
wave of R and B. I think it may be
the most direct her to everything that R and B
is now, like from fashion to how she sung, how
she put constructed her actual records. To me, it's all Aliyah, Like,

(06:11):
every last bit of it is a Leiyah to me.
The whole new wave of R and B, even on
the male side, to me, is Aliah.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Like yeah, I would, I would say Aliyah and Brandy. Yeah,
of course, of course.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
But even like with modern like even when traditional R
and B sort of came back after Aliah's passing in
the mid two thousands, a bit like with Keisha Cole,
et cetera, the wave that came in from Janey on
is all Aaliyah. Yeah, every last bit of that is Aaliyah,
from the attitude to the look to how you sing,

(06:42):
everything to me.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Is a Leah Like to me, the funny thing one
of the times she had Mariah Scientist reminds me of
Lea a lot. Yeah, Like I was listening to her album,
listening to her music, like her tone and everything like
it gave me Aliyah like that that whole sound in
that texture.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Like it's very soft.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, even on SOS Scissors last project, like it was
a little more poppy. But did y'all not get Alia's
DNA all over that? That's is a project like sciss
is a lead to me, all of them are are
very much that where traditional R and B has shifted.
I think Aliah was also that for her era, Like

(07:21):
she wasn't traditional R and B. She was making something
new that was different with Missy and Tim. Yeah, now she.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Damn when you think about twenty two years, that is crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
But that's why I'm saying even with Big like you
think about the time we talk about the pocket big Shit,
which is an era of what three years, four years?
Like Aliyah, obviously she was when age and nothing but
Number came out.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
She was young, but her SPAM was what four or
five years five years maybe maybe five maybe five And
look at what she did in that five year shit
like it's a it's stamped forever.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
That's for what you did in five fucking before he
was twenty two. It was a fucking idiot at twenty two,
I'm an idiot now, that's but like, look at what
you did in this time before you were twenty three
years old.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
When I look at pictures of big now, like, it's
crazy how I could see exactly how young he was.
Like when I look at photos of Biggie right now,
I'm like, yo, he was a he was a kid, bro.
He was like you look at pigs. I'm like, you
can tell that's not like he's no older than twenty three,
like twenty four years old. Like it's crazy when you
think about how young, Like lots like a lot of

(08:30):
these drill rappers are older than Biggie was. Hell yeah,
you know what I'm saying. It's like you it's crazy
when you really think about.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
That shit, because he was for himself, was twenty five.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, but it's just like when you when I look
at pictures now, like really just look at his face.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I'm like, man, he was so young.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's less about like the photo shoots in the videos.
When the last Biggie doc on Netflix that I think
d Rock provided all like the footage for that's when
I watched it and I was an adult, Like that
is a that's a child. Yeah, Like that literally looks
like a child. A lot of this stuff, you know,
photo shoots can make you look a little different. That video,

(09:06):
that raw video footage of like him and d Rock
in the hotel, that's a that's a child.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
That is a baby right there. Yeah, it's just that
I was so young, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Like I was younger than then than he was.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
But now looking back, it's like I could see it
all in his face, like he was he was kids,
man like, even pok Like you look at pictures of
park photos, just like these was young boys running around
man like. But all of you know, fame and attention
and money and things like that, but they was essentially
young twenty old kids, man like.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's wild. You would have to have my my jail
call if I found out that you added another last
name to my kid speaking of.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Future, Oh you're so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
How am I ridiculous?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
First of all, he wouldn't have to find out because
see her has full custody of her kids. So you
I'm sure she told him that it was happening. I'm
sure it didn't. And first of all, been happened. It
came out a source Closer Sierra, which is probably serious
source of the source, Close Serra.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Instead it was jazz faith happened.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
That happened a while ago. We're just now privy to it.
But that happened a while ago, and that it was
just added honest, not that it.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Was an Instagram name. It's not a she didn't show
a legal id right, no tennis ship, but I think it.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think no, I think it's official that like that
his name his last name has Wolfson in it.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh nae no, but see I did.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Okay you fighting just to fight? Were podcasting right now?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Whose podcast you are? We podcast? Bottom off you? Heal's heart.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
He's a father, okay, fucking crazy, Okay, he's an active father.
He has he takes. If anybody was gonna have full
custody of Amara.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
It would be you.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I don't like. I don't even like the determined active
father because I'm like, no, I'm a father, Okay, you're
a father.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
That baby lives twenty four to seven with his stepdad
and has since he was one years old, So why
is it not okay for him to add the name
on be adopted by his stepdad and add the name
on what's wrong with that adopted?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
He got two parents? What do you need? People?

Speaker 5 (11:15):
You can still get adopted even when you I.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Know there's Those are the videos that made me cry
the most. But it's not the same circumstance of two
parents that are living.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Why isn't it if one isn't one is taking full
care of him. That's his dad, bros.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
If again, this is other people's kids that we don't
even know about. This if little future calls uh Russell dad, no,
I mean I get the stepdad. I think stepdads are important.
I think it's healthy for that entire thing. But adding
the last name typically only happens when the father has
either passed away or is completely absent, like you don't

(11:52):
even know where that motherfucker is. We tried twenty three
I mean, we tried everything to find.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
This that's changing the last name. She did not change it.
She added one on because something that people brought one up.
And again we don't know these people's speculation. Something that
people brought up is the fact that everybody else in
the household has the same last name, his brothers, his sisters, whatever, and.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
He goes seventy five brothers and sisters with different last names.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Okay, but that's not his immediate family Rory, and.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So she added WI his immediate families.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
She added Wilson on.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Okay, so he still has his dad's name.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Yes, there's literally nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
There's literally oh sure, No, I think outside looking in,
it's a very healthy co parenting situation with what they're doing.
I'm just saying, I'm saying, okay, so he in the way,
another last name is being added.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
He still has futures last like word, We're okay, he
still has futures last name. He just added to Wilson.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Respect, people have been people have been talking about that
dynamic since that baby.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
What I say, some real ignorance say it the same
way with these rappers. After we find out some shit
about them, we can't really like respect their lyrics talk
about the cold thing. If I ever hear future rapping
ounce of a violent lyric, I don't believe you.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Everybody dying, You're just because everybody's dying, You're ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
The mom is married, she's she's married to congrats, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
What that got to do with.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
My son has full custody of her child, full full custody.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know what full custody is.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
I okay.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
That means I don't even got to ask if his
I don't even ask his daddy to take.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Him out of the country.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
I have full custody of my kids because I'm the
only one taking care of this motherfucker. You no longer
have a say. You keep speaking from an active dad's perspective.
You're speaking from this perpective of an act that's all.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm okay, So.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Then you can't speak on that situation period.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
I'm asking you because I don't know Future is not
active at I'm.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Sure he has a relationship with his kid.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
But when another one, when you give the mother full custody,
you know what that means, mom, You know it.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
There's plenty of active father there's real fathers where the
mother has full custody.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Though that's usually joint.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
That's usually joint custody that they usually have joint custody.
Full custody is not just I live with you full
time and I get and then you get the custody.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
They have joint custody legally, m M.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
That's what this is. AB say, AI be wrong sometimes.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
But the future but some lives primarily with Sierra.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
When it says, what is co parenting like for you?

Speaker 4 (14:27):
When somebody I remember that interview, somebody asked Sierra at
Sierra just started laughing.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
See I don't know what that. I hate when women
do that because I laugh. Sierra answered, talk no laugh,
you can laugh, but then like answer the question.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
But I think I think Sierra was trying to be
respectful that's possible, and try to stay away from mess
when they asked, I respect that.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, she she she definitely does a great job of that.
She doesn't she doesn't end up in a lot of mess.
But yeah, I mean I think they have joint custody.
She's never present, prevented her son from seeing his dad,
like but that.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Is But again again I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
The source came out and said Sieric got full of custody,
and I don't sources like that.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Though, usually just polish. Wilson is thirty four.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, he's young. Remember he's young.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
He's young, He's he's considered a dinosaur in the NFL.
It's like, when's this old fuck gonna retire? Rus thirty four,
he's younger than me. It's crazy, right, I hate getting older.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
I thought he got drafted. Oh he's thirty six. That's
still I thought. I thought.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I thought I thought he got drafted at thirty six.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Really, I thought Russell Wilson was closer to forty than thirty.
I thought he was way closer to forty than thirty six.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Sierra's thirty nine. He's thirty six.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Okay, Sierra's thirty nine. That makes sense? Wow, Okay?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Do we hove an apology for what future?

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Got?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Got real bent out of shape with that that bar
and killed jay Z. It appeared to be some prophecy there.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, over that that right.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
He got you crashed out and it was it was right. Well,
I mean I don't. I mean, whatever's healthier for the kid. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
And if listen, Russell Wilson stepped up, you know, he
obviously Sierra obviously married, So you know, if Sierra wants
to give her son, you know, the last name of
Wilson added to Wilburn, so be it. Man, as long
as as long as the you know, as long as
the child is raised will love and it looks like
he is.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
It looks like all right, But which one goes last?

Speaker 5 (16:25):
I think Wilson is that thing?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, Wilson, because the Sierra's last name now is Wilson
as well.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Nah, he mean, nah, you got it. Gotta be Wilson Wilburn.
If we're going to add this into the mix, at
least my last name needs to be the last one.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Okay. I mean, if that's how you feel, you know,
you're a real dad. I can't argue with you on that,
you know, I mean, so.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
What I mean? And ship the way the way we
see Russell playing with Future, like and we know the
Future is a tall guy that looks like he comes
from a eight gene pool. Little Future could make the league.
What happens when will Burn Wilson is on the back
of the jersey like that's gonna fly off the stands
mm hmm, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well it's gonna fly off the stand because of the
Wilson or what happens when and who is stepdad?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
But what happens if Sierra does like a chair choreography
dance with her son's jersey and it just says Wilson
on the back.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
What that's her last name?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
No, but it's his jersey. She's wearing her her son's jersey.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Okay, everyone's dying.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I feel Listen, man, I look at what I just
think that completely ego driven.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
It's so ego driven. That's completely ego driven.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
What is ego driven everything? Of course I'm joking around,
but like, what is ego driven with it?

Speaker 5 (17:43):
That's not ego driven?

Speaker 4 (17:44):
You don't think that you worried about yo, my son's
last name when you are not there every day with
your son.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Somebody else is?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
You're that word? My name is my name. My name
has my my daddy's blood on it, like my daddy's
blood on it. Nothing is more important than your last name,
your leg see your family.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yes, it doesn't be more important than name, your legacy.
What about your son that you don't have full time,
that you'd rather run around?

Speaker 2 (18:06):
You and I are talking futures not in the room.
I don't know future. I don't know he does with son.
I'm telling you why you think I think that would
be crazy? Yeah, that's nuts to me. And first of all,
I'm also someone that was fine, like even with Kia.
If you want to lipeh and that ship and say,
Jacob Fair I'm fine with that, but adding somebody else
in the mix with a name, No, the name means something, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
It means something. The person that sit him there.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Rate, I got a tattoo like an idiot at fourteen
years old. My family crest because that's just what you
did because you didn't like I forget my last name
for some reason. But yeah, that shit is very much important, though,
is your last name not? Its important for your.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
And it's still there exactly like I was. Just the confusion,
Like the confusion is so crazy. Peace said, you can
prevent that by just like being a good dad.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I'm saying future is not in this room. We don't
know him. I'm talking you and I like to me, yes,
I would have okay what I'm saying, and we also
don't know. I don't putt anything on Sierra. I'm sure
there's from plenty of times where there's been women that
have held their child away from the father because they've
gotten a new relationship. Like, let's not act like all
women are the most amazing mothers and don't use their
kid as a weapon.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Okay, but we weren't talking about that. We were about
the future situation.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I know, I.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Don't know anything about it. They're not with their child,
so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's why I was saying off with Page said you
could just be a good father, and I'm saying, there's
also women that have had children with good fathers that
they keep away from their kid. For sure, get a
new relationship. I'm gonna just spite you and add this
last name here, like, let's not act like that doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
For sure?

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Absolutely, yeah, But how like to me, playing with last
names is like that when people when people say that,
it's just like, yes, there are I'm sure there's women
that are just so upset and they just you know,
you're such a good dad, but they just want to
keep the baby away from you. But let's be honest,
how often does that really happen? You're really a great dad,
but they want to keep the baby away from you.
They want to keep their kid twenty four to seven
and be a single mom and had his bad motherfucker

(19:54):
living in this house with me twenty four to seven,
But you're such a great dad, they won't give them
to you.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
How often do you like that really happened?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Let's let's talk about the rapper from Atlanta that put
nobody on his verse on Donda Andre three thousand, Hey,
miss Donda, can you ask my father if he felt
insecured that he did in my last name? My mama
probably did it out of spite. It happens all the time,
Like what do we He literally rapped about a healthy
relationship of just young people having a kid and out

(20:22):
of spite because she was in her feelings and a
young lady that didn't know what she was doing was
mad at the dad. His dad's last name is not Benjamin,
that's his mother's last name. Okay, but that probably did
it out of spite. But that's okay.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
We're talking about him having his mother's last name, not
another man's last name, or keeping away from keeping the
kid away from his dad. We're talking about a last name.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I'm saying, people, not just women, do things out of spite,
and the last name is a big thing.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yes, oh, but that was.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
One thing.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I'm purposely giving my son my last name even though
my father is active right here. But she's doing it
out of spite, but because they are in a rocky relationship.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Okay, just because Andre said that on a song also
does not mean that that's just that because also, if
we're not example, if we're not married, why does my
son have your last name? In not mind, why does
your Why is your last name more important that my
son who I pushed out of my pussy should have
a different last name than.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Me because of misogyny?

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Exactly? Cool, yeah, but exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
But Andre in two thousand didn't say okay, because the
world has been misogynistic since the day of time. He said,
you probably did that fight. Yeah, because you know I'm
with you. That's why I even I even said the kid,
if you want to do the hyphenis shit. Like there
was one kid in my school that had the hyphenic thing,
and we all thought he was a fucking weirdo. But
you know, that kid usually ends up weird that has
the hyphen. But I'm here for the hyphena. I'm not

(21:43):
the kid with the hyphen ends up a little weird.
It's very I feel like we could find out. I
feel like it's a study on that somewhere. I feel
like but because I do agree that a lot of
that is based off ancient misogyny where the father just
did last name goes to the kid I always here
for the Heysen kid was like, Noah, Marshall, just have

(22:05):
your last name. But I was, I was open to it.
I was definitely not against it at all.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
My kid will have a hyphen whether I'm married.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I respect that, matter of fact. I don't know if
I'm gonna have more kid have a hyphen.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Whether I'm married or not.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
My kids, even if I get married, my name, my
last name will be hyphenated. So my last name means
a lot to me, A lot to me. I never
said last names don't matter. Rory, you're being up teas
on purpose. I never said last names didn't matter. My
last name means a lot to me. So I'm hyphenating regardless.
But I've dealt with men that were like, I'm not
with that, and I was, didn't plan on marrying you anyway,

(22:37):
But some men don't like that, which is just so
it's all just ego based to me, Like, my kid
will have my last name, yeah, so will mine. It
will have my last name too. My grandfather put a
name on my last name, and so to his parents.
So like, yeah, my ship means a lot to me.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
It can be.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, I don't know if I want to have more kids.
Most of my cousins are are, so I have a girl,
so like the Pharaoh, leg to see at least in
this part of the tree, like may end. So yeah, Amara,
you hyphen in that ship exactly that I just swear
I'm at with I think.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I just want kids to be happy and healthy.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Man, it's about you. It's not about the kids. It's
about that. It's about how you feel.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Young boy blowing up? Man, young, Well he been.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Blew up, but like he's starting to young boy blowing up.
That's why I corrected myself. He's entering into my old
ass stratosphere of old people ship right, who's still playing
the clips all over and over again, like he's starting
to go.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Viral over here. I'm like, damn. Like nb A Young
Boys shows.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Look lit like oh no, it's it's it shows like a.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Real rold fan base. But I do like seeing this
because a lot of people, including myself, say, all right,
you stream crazier than everyone. Can you sell it to it?
Not only is he selling crazy, everyone knows every fucking word.
They're losing their mind. Kai is crying like my bad. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Seeing NBA Young Boys Show is definitely like confirmation that
I'm just old. I don't know one NBA young boy
like no song, and like I'm watching the clips and
I'm like, I love the like seeing the entire like
stadium arena, everybody into it, everybody knowing. But it's kind
of like I'm looking at this, You're like, oh, this
is a whole part of the culture that I have

(24:29):
no idea. You look like the jay Z mean when
he was like yeah, like I'm because he getting his
shit off, like he flowing, and I'm just like and
I'm looking at you know, just the audience and everybody
knows all the lyrics and things like that, and I'm
just like, the energy is what is a trip? I'm like, oh, shit,
like this is a show. If you go out on
stage as an artist, it is your own. It's it's

(24:50):
just like there's nothing probably greater than looking out into
a fucking arena and everybody knows every word you're saying,
Like that's an artist's dream, you know what I'm saying.
So to see that and to see everybody so like
just turned up and you know what I'm saying that
somebody from there, it's like, Okay, like this is this

(25:10):
is a show. This is These are like his fans,
like people that have been waiting to see him live.
They couldn't wait for this moment, They couldn't wait for
this tour to come to this city. Like this is
what hip hop is about. Like rapper comes on stage,
everybody goes crazy. Nobody's trying to be you know, cool,
Everybody standing on their seats, shirts.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Off, rapping.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
The girls know all the lyrics, the guys know all
the lyrics. Like that, to me is just some incredible
shit to witness.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
But so going. I don't like we should go as
a social experiment.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I don't know if that's the social experiment though. I
don't know if you want a socially experiment with an
NBA Young Boy live show. I am like, you get
chased out because they I feel like his fans know
you ain't supposed to be here. This ain't you Like,
we don't try to jump on now like we've been.
This has been a whole way. Obviously, I'm familiar with

(26:06):
NBA Young Boy. I don't know his music the way
his fans you know it, but I'm familiar with the
fan base that he has. I'm familiar with the following
that he has and the streaming numbers that he does,
Like we all know that, but to now see it,
like night after night, he.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Just did LA last night. Kyle was there, Kay is crying.
I'm just seeing this shit. I'm just like, Yo, what
is happening right now? I'm curious based off the sound
of stuff, Like, for example, when we saw Gucci versus Geezi,
and we saw the difference Gucci being the legend that
he is a lot of his legendary records were never mixed.
They was thrown out like Geezi had def jam behind

(26:44):
him with the biggest budget. His records just feel expensive.
They sound expensive. The Gucci shit didn't hit the same.
Next to that, I've never seen an arena to a
Young Boys volume, like how much he puts out. Some
of his most classic records are like two track shit
that I don't even know how it could sound an arena.
Yet when I see the footage, it looks like fucking

(27:06):
J Cole's performing. That's what I want to see, Like,
how are these records transferring in a arena? I've never
seen anyone do that. J want Young Boy, the type
of music he makes, and even some of the classic
core fan based records he has are so low quality.
I'm not talking about him, but they're low quality records.
You can tell you Two Tractor was like, Yo, upload

(27:26):
that to the internet now, I would love, Like, I
want to know how that rings off in an arena,
because even Gucci, Gucci has classic shit, but even though
just on a stream next to Jez with an expensive sound,
it's like, damn, this is a classic GZ record, but
it don't hit because it's just don't sound the same
next to this.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
And then in the state in an arena.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, like, I gotta know how that sounds.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
All that shit from Young Boy sound looks like it's
going off. I love seeing people online saying, Yo, if
you don't perform this one'ma I'm gonna be upset. Like
all of that to me is just dope to see
people so engaged with an artist like that. And then
for NBA Young Boy to go out there and you know,
it seems like he's you know, he's fulfilling the request. Yeah,

(28:08):
he's doing all the joints that you know his fans
want they hear. I just think this is some really,
really dope shit to watch.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Josh. I'm sending you to viral TikTok. That's like going
on right now.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
With this girl that has like everybody like, well damn,
I want to go to the NBA show. And that's
the one that made me want to go to the
NBA show. I'm like, yo, I want to feel this
passionately about music, like they screaming that shit like when
the first month that like Dreams of Nightmares came out.
I'm like, I want to feel that feeling again. I
want to feel that, bitch, I'm a boss feeling again.
The niggas in Paris feeling like I haven't had that.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Feeling, a wow, a connection to it because they live
through the time of Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
We can't go because it's like we would just be
trying to get on board now and it's kind of
like we're not gonna understand it.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
We need some time to really like I mean, it
sounds far.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
That looks that sounds fun out of this too, all right,
positive before we get demond size, But come on, man,
how do you know that ship sounds fire to me?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I can't like I want to go with her, yeah,
like I want to go with somebody that's gonna like
wrap those lyrics in my face. So I start to
feel like this is this is See.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
That's why I know I'm saying close to your chest
because you know how I'm at shows. I'm just standing there,
literally just watching the artist perform. I'm not you've been
to meeting to me with with Drake shows, you like,
you're just standing there and I know all these records.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I don't know all of these records.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
I'm really gonna be listening, standing there watching Young Boy perform,
and I can't go with somebody that knows and they
hyped and they trying to get me.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I'm like, I don't even know what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, so it's fake if I go because I don't
even know these these songs like that. So some of them,
I'm like, I might know a couple of the balls,
like Okay, yeah, I remember that ball right there. But
these people are, like you said, Roy, they grew up
with this shit, they lived with this music. They couldn't
wait for Young Boy to come to their city, like
they've been waiting for this moment for years. So now
that's here, I just think it's dope to see it

(30:10):
and shout out the young boy Man, because you know,
being able to develop a fan base like this in
all these years of curating this, this this sound for
your for your audience, and now being able to go
to these cities and set out these arenas is it's
some dope shit. So saluting be a young boy man, I'm.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Gonna check it out.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
I feel like I've always judged him by the way
he looked mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Like I mean he looked like every other.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
That's why I don't listen to them. If I don't
I met you, he looked like who else?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
A bunch of artists who listen to it's the same
look who the match?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
You listen to ratchets shit, not men that I listen
to women, ratiss shit. I don't listen to men ration shit.
I don't know none of this ship, none these people.
If I will meet you in a dark alley and
you look like I should be afraid of you, like
I should cross the street, I don't really check your
music out.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
I don't know, and I shouldn't do that.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
I should be better, which is why I'm going to
check out some of NBA's and music.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
I don't be.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Listening to these these rappers with the be the tattoos,
the shit on their face like that.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
I don't listen to that.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
You listen to Wayne.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
I was just about to say, Okay, Wayne, the original,
the creator, right, but these new ones know, Hey.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Y'all don't either.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Why am I looking at me like I'm crazy?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh no, I've tried. You aware that he has been
a superstar in his own right with his fan base
for a long time. I've seen the numbers I've tried.
I've done the jay Z headbop like pretending like I
think this is all right, but I'm never gonna listen
to again. But I need somebody like that girl to
sell it to me with the green hair. What's what's

(31:39):
what's worse with the concert going with somebody that's way
too cool, like Maul bringing up the Drake Show when
he was there, or for example, Deanni Scotti beam love
you to death. Every Cold Show I go to with her,
she's wrapping every fucking word in my face the entire.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
I was insane at the Cold Show. I was insuffering.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Because I I feed energy. It makes it feel a
little bit better. Like sometimes I'll wrap back with her.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I get mad if I'm in the car and somebody's
rapping the whole song.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Car, that's too much. So now show loud enough where
you can show.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
If we have to show and you keep you keep
jumping in my ear and my face trying to get balls,
it's work. It's like, Yo, shut the fuck. Artist is
right here in front of us, like let them do that.
You shut you shut up.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
That was a cole. I was talking, but you wrapped
along at a concert before. No, I'm not saying screaming
is someone's face, but but I'm not grabbing you trying
to like.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Get you like, but to that type of show, that's
what you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
At this show. You gotta punch somebody in their face. Yeah,
like you've got Yeah, you gotta punch somebody in their.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Face for interest. It's like a jello.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, this is this is That's just what this is.
But it's it's it's dope to see it, man, it's
definitely dope to see it. I know he did l
A last night. I think I'm not sure what else
is going, but yo.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta I got.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
A download more NBA Young Boy Music and learn and
learn the music more so I can before I can
go to a live show. I can't just go out
there and not knowing. I gotta know the music. I
have to know to me.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Coming to Newark on September twenty ninth, All Mall's birthday.
We're not your actual birthday, but your birthday weekend.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah no, No, I would have considered the Garden or Barclays. Oh,
Barclays seven, closer to the Prudential Center twenty seventh.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
Yeah, the yo, the Jersey crowd, the Jersey young boy crowd. Good,
that is getting the most terrifying year, the New York
show compared to the Garden Show, which by the way,
is twenty minutes away from each other.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
It is going to be two different worlds. No, I'm
cool world.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
I'm going to the Morning in Brooklyn. I promise you,
I'm not going to the one in Newark.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
You bug the fuck out. It was not like in Newark.
I'm cool.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
If you're gonna experience it, maybe the New York one
is the one. Yeah, but I gotta get the real film.
But they're gonna shoot outside that ship. Yeah, Newark cool.
I feel like I got a wish.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I usty if I go though, I got but.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Then you gonna be like everybody else, gotta stand out.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Nah, nah, you gotta you gotta blend. I have to
blend in. Where's wear a suit for the NBA Young
Boy Show? They will beat the ship.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Out of the record.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
First of all, they're gonna think I'm a nark? And
what is police a suit at the NBA Young Boys Show? Though?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Now you can't dress like we're going to the GZ
Orchestra show. No, absolutely, no, that's fine. No, it's not.
I promise you it was not.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I feel like your NBA Young Boy Show should change
the rules for arenas. I should be able to walk
in with no shirt. This people isn't there with no
shirts on?

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Well?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
They they walked in with a shirt on. They took
it off after. Oh I'm saying I should be able
to show up with no shirt at all. I mean,
you know, as young.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Boy ever like once a little high.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh, I thought that was a total aesthetic.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
It's your shirtless No, he wear wearing some shit on stage.
I mean, I'm sure at some point you might take
your shirt off and really get into the you know night,
but it's just dope to see it man, all all
the clips I'm saying is the energy is I haven't
seen bro. I'm not gonna lie. That type of energy
is crazy for the entire arena.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
To you know how hard is to sell tickets period
right now, let alone in arena. But you know that
type of clip.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
And then, like I said, his fan base is very
they've been waiting for this ship. They've been way couldn't
wait for this tour.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
And you know they're dedicated fans because then I'm not
going to get into everyone makes mistakes, but I feel
like every other month I'm seeing some wild ship the
young boy is doing like those are He could do anything,
the fact how he's moved on certain things, or how
the Internet has painted him and you could still sell
out arenas this way. Yeah, they love your music, Philly,

(35:38):
I'd rather die. Yeah, Philly would be kind of nuts.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
He signed a motown Well, I mean it merged.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
They all merged. It's musical chairs. Mmm, like he didn't
he didn't sign to the same motown. No ship, Oh
he was in Oakland.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
That wasn't even La, that was Oakland last Uh but
what dates is that? That's no, He's in Oakland tonight.
Oh yeah, well tomorrow, Okay. He was in La last
night though.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Okay, on the low, I think the Phoenix show might
be the scariest because I know the Mexicans love Young
Boy mm hmm, that might be. It would rivele between
Nork and Phoenix of the scariest shows on the store.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Scroll that.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Oh no, Lewis and Chicago might wait hold Saint Louis
for sure. Baltimore, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
I'm not going to no NBA Young Boys show in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm cool, I'm cool.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Oh no, that's Chicago. One's scary because he had b
for Chicago like he had beef for Dirky.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
So yeah man, Hopefully you know, I mean hopefully nothing happens.
We don't want to get no news about anything negative
or crazy happening because seeing this type of energy is
just dope to see people go out and support their artists.
But we know the history of him and certain Chicago artists.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
So yeah, I don't know nobody from that side. From
what side and be a young boys side?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Listen. I told you when I went to bat and
Rouge a couple of months ago, and she told me
this young boyshood, I said, could we just not be here? Then?
We was drivers where you're from. I was like, well,
let's then let's take a left and the left and
get the fuck out of here. You scared?

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, you thought, I say, no, nigga.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Actually we walk around with the assault rifles just out
like it ain't even illegal. Yeah, years and I could.
I want to learn. I want to go now now
the prime. I want to go now music.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's fake if I go now. I don't know the
music enough.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
But that's okay, do you actually people? A lot of
people tend to go to shows to learn new music.
You don't got to go to the show and know
every song.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
You got to know the music. Man. That's like going
to the game and not knowing who playing. I don't
know what you discover.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
You discover songs because a lot of songs you might
put on, like in your headphones and be like turn
this ship off right. But you go to the show
and you see shorty degree here doing all I just like, wait,
hold on, what's this song? Let me That's why you're
supposed to go check out new shows, local artists, all
of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
They're sitting at the Young Boys show in the mash pit,
trying to hold your phone up for shazam. Yeah, they're
gonna knock you out. Who's who know.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I would be in the figure out. I would be
in the skybox one. Put me in a suite. Let
me just chill up here, look down at you know,
the real fans. I want to hear the music and
see the performance, like, let me. I can't beat in that.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I need to touch the face. Nah, I can't be
in that. What's the most dangerous show You've ever been to?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
The most dangerous show I've ever been to, even.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
If it turned out that way and you didn't anticipate.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
It, the most dangerous show.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
I've never been to a dangerous show.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
I feel like it may have been somebody at Irvin Plaza, but.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Not that oh the Nipsey Ulso one Walter Crips in
the building.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
But I felt safe. This was in New York, Irvin Plaza, Okay, Yeah,
like it was. I can't remember who.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
It was, though I felt safe though.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I feel like it was Irvin Plaza, Okay, might have been.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I was in there.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
I remember having a feeling like, yeah, the energy in
here is a little it's a little tense, but never
in like, never at the Garden.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I never been to that show with the Garden where
I thought that. Well, I mean you did say you
were in the hallway when R. Kelly walked down and
violence ensued. You say I was kind of dangerous.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
There was a gun there, said he didn't want nobody
looking at him in his eyes, and.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Then somebody allegedly put pepper spray in his eyes. Yeah,
but that wasn't dangerous. That was R and B. That
wasn't like dangerous. I mean, speaking of Newark and Jersey
in general, Hot ninety seven once did remember wh they
used to do those like Next Up or Whose Next? Shows,
which I appreciate. They was trying to get like local talent,

(39:51):
and they did one that was just specific to Jersey
with a bunch of Jersey acts. I want to say
Tretch hosted it as well. That was the most violent
show I think I've ever been that, Like, they rivaled
what when Saigon Prodigy and all the Queensbridge fought at
Sobs with that legendary footage. There was so much tension

(40:13):
in that small, small fucking venue. Yeah, that was probably
the one time been a show where I'm like I
don't know if this is worth worth staying here, Like, yeah,
I'll be a bystander somehow in this entire show, I.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Can't remember who was at Irvin Plaza, Like who was
It may have been Meeking somebody else. And I was like, yeah,
this energy and it was just a little you know,
you know that energy where it's just like the faces
ain't friendly, nobody smiling. It's not a lot of women.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
You know those shows of course, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
It was just like all right, man, I'm about to
let me stay close to the exit because it might
go down there.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
But I've told you guys the story of when I
was DJing at the New Yeurekend with my Man's and
we got into it and I thought I was gonna
die with the guys from Connecticut.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
So there was another time I was DJing from Man's
that was opening up for I won't say his name.
He was signed to the Lock, not the Locks, to
d Block at the time, and we were opening up
for him based off his manager's relationship with d Block.
But my Man's was on some singing and rapping shit.
It wasn't that type of crowd. Yeah, this is like

(41:21):
when you really got to cut your teeth and earn
your keep, Like what it's like to feel like you're
dying on stage of just going records record somebody that
was affiliated with that artist twice my size. In the
middle of my man performing and we had like an
intricate DJ set. I was trying to mix certain stuff,
like we had a set, we've rehearsed, it's all this

(41:46):
entire thing for fucker over. Me hits the fader and
puts it to the side and said, it's time fiata
leave in the middle of the performance. Yeah, but I
had I had well, I was on vinyls, so I
had two things playing, so it didn't affect. Like my
man kept rapping, And it was the first time in

(42:06):
my life where I was like, I'm about to say
something that I know I'm gonna die, but I have
no other option. Got to be a man. I had
no other option. I know this is not going to
end well, I said, ain't no fucking way. We got
three more fucking songs, get away from me. Let's just
say we were handled outside of the building, but my

(42:26):
man finished the set. No handled finished the set, though
finished the set. Handled.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
We get beat up outside, but we finished the set though,
That's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
And my man, who I love, did what every opening
act does because the Locks are supposed to be special guests.
With this guy as well. It was like on the flyer.
So when you're just drowning in a set and it's
dead choir and saying like that, Yo, what yo, Get
the fuck off the stage, Yo, who's ready to see
the Locks? Who crowded rup.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
And he said for the last song, he went, yeah,
not cut it, get the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
We was in there because this was nine like when
we were on the Blog era type of rap, and
that crowd was not trying to hear none of that ship.
He was really singing. He was like had an R
and B part. It was a bunch of dudes and
Champion hoodies waiting to see if Style was going to
show up. It was. It was one of the crazy experiences.
But no, we were physically handled.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Out that old place.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
No, no, no, this was no, it wasn't. It was
in the city. Was it that Santos might have been
a Santos? Yeah, I'll think on it. It'll come to me.
Chris Brown.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
You know y'all heard what he says.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Well, Chris real said, be so tired of y'all not
about what y'all talking about.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Oh well, Chris see about to say what you know?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I don't be knowing y'all start telling me. I'm like, wait,
what happened?

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Now?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
He finally admitted that Damaris and I were right that
the Quevo was much bigger than them. Yeah right, he said,
everyone compares Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Usher, and Quevo to me,
but we're all superstars in our own right.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah he never said that, Yes he did. He didn't
say people compare what Quavo.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Well, I didn't hear you add Quavo into it? You're
mad annoying?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, now you put something up on is ig story.
I believe can you click.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
That, Josh? He tweeted, honest opinion, Beyonce, Michael Jackson, and
Usher are all the best superstars and lanes of their own.
I see a lot of podcasts and debates on who's better,
and the truth is that we all shine bright in
our own way. I'll never say I'm a better anything.
I'm just being the best Chris Brown. In some way,

(44:40):
shape or form, these artists have influenced me to go
hard and never give up. I just want to be
recognized for helping people with my gifts.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
That's on pop room.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
That's a very humble thing for Chris to say. But
I'll go on record and say I do believe Chris
Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Actually all of these usher Beyonce like I don't you know,
I think Chris Brown is the better dancer out of
these names. Michael Jackson is obviously, He's the apex entertainer.
He is the one that everybody all generations. You see
kids now that are maybe three four five years old
dressed up like Michael Jackson, dance like Michael. So Michael

(45:21):
Jackson is obviously the one that all artists and entertainers
aspire to kind of be like. But it's okay to
have artists that come after that are better vocalist than
Michael Jackson, better dancers than Michael just encompassed the entire thing,
the mystique, the aura, the entertaining, just everything all in

(45:47):
one is what made Michael Jackson so special. But I
do believe Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
This is part of my age. This is gonna maybe
be a stupid question. Did Michael Jackson invent the moonwalk
or is not that he just didn't. He just made
it iconic. He made it iconic. He got it from
some dancers he was watching on so he talked about
soually appropriated it.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
No, no, no, it's culture vulture. Michael was No, there was.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Black people that created it. He ended being white.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
They were on Soul Train and he saw that move.
It was part of like the whole rope when you know,
dancers were doing the whole robot type of thing, and
he saw that on I think on Soul Train, and
he just made that a part of his performance. And
you know, obviously his his platforms was the biggest in
the world. So when he did it, that was the
first time that many people saw that move.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
But I mean, how much stake do you put into
iconic choreography versus being the better dancer? Like, I agree
with you. If we were in the same place Steve
Harvey was doing, you got served and it's just Michael
and Chris in the ring. Yeah, I'm going to take
Chris Brown in that regard as far as dancing, yeah,
but as far as iconic choreography, I think Michael and

(46:59):
Beyonce are over here, and then Chris Brown and Usher
are over here like between between. Obviously thriller goes without saying.
But like Beyonce with her crazy and love choreography, I
remember everyone trying to do that when I was in
the seventh eighth grade, Uh, single Ladies, Like she has
iconic choreography with her dancing like that is going to

(47:19):
last forever. Same way with Michael. I mean the Your video.
I think Chris definitely had iconic like people would try
to do that choreography. But and the Usher My Way video.
I remember that. But do they have their their staple
as far as dancing goes Michael, Chris Brown and ushers.
But we know Beyonce and Michael Jackson have their staples.

(47:43):
Just just Christen like a move like move anytime Beyonce
is on tour and if she's going to perform single Ladies,
people are waiting for that choreography, like that's the whole
Chris Brown.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Chris Brown has it with wall to wall. I don't
have nothing but ladies calling. Yeah, take you down and
take you down.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, take you down there too, yeah yeah, but they
take you down at the level we think that a
Single Ladies or thriller.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Will be nothing is at the level of Single Ladies.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
There will never be anything at the level of Thriller.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Well obviously, but I still think, uh not to say
Single Ladies is compared to Thriller as far as choreography,
but she did check that box of I have an iconic,
iconic choreography dance. I just I feel like Usher and
Chris maybe could outdance them, but don't have that.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Well that well, part of that is because Usher and
Chris can out dance them, their choreography is harder to
do for sure. I mean, so a reason why Single
Ladies and Thriller are so dis but well not Thriller.
But the reason why Single Ladies are so popular is
because the choreographer, I mean the choreography like White Housewives at.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
Home, We're home doing this ship like it's for easy.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
It's simple and sure, remember, so that's why it got
as big as it got.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
But that's a good point because even like when Michael
Jackson would do the lean, we like, everyone tries the lean. Yeah,
so yeah, I hear you that that does. That does
make sense too. It was very simplified, so everyone could
it was like the first TikTok dances. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I get that because I mean, as I think Beyonce
is up there with Michael, but she can't do a
backflip without a running start, and that's something Chris Brown

(49:29):
can do.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Beyonce could run ten minutes. I don't think she can
do it back you mean running start like I do that.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I think my baby could do a backflip. She tried
to it. Beyonce could do a back you know, we can,
we can. Chris Brown doesn't try doing it.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
But I'm just saying right now, be it goes on
stage tonight, there will be no backflip like you know.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I mean, I'm not saying anything.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Beyonce is amazing, but she not trying to do no
fucking backlip tonight on stage.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
No.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I think Usher and his prime could do a backflip
with a running start. I don't know many performers that
could just in there and do it. Usher has done
back philips on stage, Yeah, but he had like two
or three steps. I don't he didn't even travel NBA wise,
I'm saying there was a quick run to start.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Usher has a whole set literally on roller skates. That
that that's crazy to do that like just doing a
whole you know, a bunch of your records and the choreography,
y'all are all.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
On roller skates. That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I mean, these are all you know, to what Usher's saying,
I mean, Chris Brown is saying, these are all the
best of the best. And you talk about performers and
the sceners, Uh, Usher and Chris and Michael Jackson and Beyonce,
these are the These are the top of the pyramids
when you talk about entertainment and you know, music and dance, choreography,
things like that. Janet Jackson as well. I mean, her

(50:42):
rhythmication video obviously was groundbreaking and changing. Even the one
video that she did what was the name of the song,
uh Isn't Miss You Much? When she was in the
dance suter byself with the chair Pleasure Principal, Pleasure Principal,
that was an iconic video. It was just her in
the video in the dance studio. So yeah, I mean, honestly,

(51:04):
on Chris saying, I think he was being a little
humble and not trying to, you know, make it seem
like he because obviously you don't want to be the
person to say I'm better than anybody, or you know,
you let the audience and the fans say that, but
I will say, you know, just in watching both and
being a fan of both entertainers, and in regards to
him and Michael Jackson, I do think Chris is the

(51:26):
better dancer out of him and Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
It's not my world, so I could be wrong, but
I want justice for choreographers, Like the way we get
these billboard complex all these lists with producers, we know
every backstory of every Quincy Jones thing with Michael Jackson, Like,
is there a list of choreographers, Like why did they
not get as much shine as even engineers get when
you get down to the nerdy shit? Well, because I

(51:51):
would like to know, because they still do LG. I
mean puff put LG on, Like that was the most
famous one I remember as a kid because she was
on the reality show.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Well, people pay attention to things that apply to them.
So why I was gonna say why engineers would be
important to you is because that's what you would care about.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
But even like the best producer's twenty first century shit,
that what we talked about last week, I feel like
a casual fan clicked that right away too. If I,
as a I wouldn'tven say a casual fan of choreography.
I mean, I like dancing, but I don't sit and
think about who put it together. I would click that
list right away. And that's not even my world. I
would love for those people to be highlighted and learn

(52:29):
more about it. So there, that's a huge part of
music that just is not talked about.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
But I mean, like again, like I hear you, but
I don't know. Maybe it's because I really I love
dancing so much that I'm more like Sean.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Banka does the majority of people's videos these days, right.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
So a lot of the famous choreography that ends up
being TikTok dances, like for example, Cardi B's up or
I put that on my Mama Victoria Monet like great choreography, yes,
which became huge right like that he did all of that.
Sean Bankhead has been huge with the videos that he's

(53:07):
he's created as far as like I remember all of
Janet's choreographers obviously because some of them used to be
her dancers, and I was like obsessed, But there are
you can find that list.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
But again, that would be up first.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
That would be something that you would have to pay
attention to because the publications and stuff that it's going
to be in might not be something that you're interested in.
But the theater kids know about it, and for sure
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
So I'm interested. That's really why I'm asking, Like, did
like did Michael have a main usher? Backfoot? Start? I?
I stand correct me give us Do you know how
hardly to stand there and do it? BACKFLI go try, no,
go try.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I'm gonna be in the hospital for about a month
if I try to do back I will knock all
this shit over trying to do a backflo.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Did Michael have like a main choreographer the way Quincy
was his main producer? Like, is there some we know
he did? He did?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Like I think he worked with a lot of people
uh on on a number of projects. I don't know
if he had one main choreographer though, And.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I also want to know, like who who's the princes
of this dance and ship? Like which icon never had
a choreographer? Like if you saw them dance, they came
up with it.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
That just doesn't.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Outside I'm side of Paul Abdul I don't think that
that that just because there's so much choreography is needed,
especially for not really music videos.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
For tours.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like tours, it's like,
that's so much choreography. So Michael worked with seven prominent choreographers,
but most importantly Vincent Patterson for Smooth Criminal, The Bad Tour,
Michael Peters for Thriller and Beat It.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
He's he he has a couple of people.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, Mike, Michael worked with him choreography for Thriller and
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