October 19, 2025 • 43 mins
This week on New Rory & Mal Drake's lawsuit vs UMG is dismissed, Hitmaka shares what it was like to work with Nicki Minaj, the new Mobb Deep album is incredible, and Rory and Mal remember D'Angelo #volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I guess we have to get into uh what I'm
sure not so much our listeners, but the people that
don't listen to our podcast unless they want to just
come here to be mean to us. They're all at
the edge. They came to this episode just to hear
us talk about the Drake lawsuit and what's the best
way you want to approach it? Do we want to
satisfy them and be like, yo, you you guys are
(00:27):
the greatest. You guys are right, we're losers. We're fucking laves,
like we're fucking yeah, you know you guys. Hey, man,
you guys win.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But that is how you want? Is that how you
want to answer? Respond? Oh no, I.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Mean I don't really care, which is kind of funny.
But of course, anytime, whether it be the report of
the judge dismissing the defamation case or even I forgot
what the other big announcement was that video of me
speaking about the case maybe thirty minutes after just the
(01:08):
announcement came out, Like I was just speculating of what
we knew at that time, which was nothing right, and
that video they have positioned like I said it yesterday. Yeah,
I had no information like anyone else. We were all speculating.
I was like, hmmm, I don't know what the case is.
At this point, defamation wasn't even in the case. I
was like, oh, this could be interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
They have ran that.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Clip to the ground, like I'm like, it's actually makes
me laugh, not by the people that like are really
reacting to it, like yeah, man, you had this one wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They said that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It's like the people that are like, this is why
he should die. Yeah, those are my favorite.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The ones that get like somebody should die behind older this.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, and then they also just go like after that,
like yeah, and his co should commit suicide, and it's
like because he likes a rapper that you don't.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's absolutely I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean, I'm not here to like really defend Eddie
and my position, even though I said from rip that
I don't care if Drake is doing this for artists,
it's weird that you could have a video and they
will remix exactly what you said in the video to
a complete like I'm like, wait, you're commenting under a
video with a quote the videos.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I did not care if Drake was doing this for
himself or for other artists.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I never said he was.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I just thought it could be helpful if ung had
to open their books and show shit. That was about it.
It then turned into this whole defamation and everything else.
I just don't care that much now about the case
or yeah, because I cared about it more when I
had the idea of, oh, this could lead to UMG
(02:59):
having to reveal certain things like that happens in cases,
whatever deposition is happening, I was curious. I didn't care
what Drake's intentions were.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They could be just for.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Him or just for for other artists. I didn't care.
I just thought it would be cool if we finally
made them open up and revealed some shit. Other than that,
I mean cool.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, a lot. You know, my phone went crazy when
the news.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I had just left, so I think y'all was to
hear Yeah, me and P just here. My phone started
going crazy. But it was just it was funny.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It's funny to see people's reaction and again people still
not understanding what the case was about.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
As someone that thought I understood it now I actually
don't like because I know he was from my understanding
initially suing for UMG promoting, pushing and using bots about
a song that was defaming him. Then the result was,
(04:00):
all right, the case is dismissed because there's no defamation.
I didn't know. I didn't even think he was suing
for that. So now I'm just lost. So that's why
I say. That's why I say, you guys win, like
K dot K by the whole world.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah win.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm sorry, I'm an, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I was wrong. I have no idea what the fuck
is going on.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Clearly the paperwork that I initially read is not even
where the case ended up. Because I thought he was
suing UMG for them promoting a song that defamed him. Well,
because when the I agreed with the judge, because I
initially came in here, when you and I would would argue,
where I'd be like, do you really think anybody actually
sits and things to drake his fucking pedophile it's just
a battle, Like no one is really really walking around
(04:40):
thinking that I agreed with what the judge said, Like
this is just a battle back. No one really thinks that.
But I didn't think that was the lawsuit. I thought
it was illegally promoting outside of the industry standard a
song that was defaming him, and now it how the
judgmentde it, how the judge made it sound. It was like,
all right, yeah, he said mean things about you, but
(05:02):
you said mean things do what was.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The words non actionable.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
With what the judges said, Like I said, rap up.
I just didn't think that was what the laws.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
No, that was the lawsuit.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
The main thing in the case was the defamation and
the false statements. That's why there were things brought up
in the lawsuit about like how it affected like Drake's family,
Like that's why you know, shit like that the defamation lawsuit.
But if you can't whether they were pro on top
of falsely or amplifying the defamation. It was mainly about defamation.
But if you can't prove the defamation, then the amplifying
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of it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Fair.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
So that's where.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, I mean at this point, I also want to
like give flowers to the OVO stands for sure, because
the way they flipped it, I thought the kbots were
going to be the ones that were going to be
fucking celebrating Drake may have some of the most positive
fans I've ever seen in my life. Theyay yea, y'all
(06:00):
didn't even see understands Drake's angle. The judge just proves
that he's not a pedophile. That was his case the
whole time. I said, all right, man, they said, the
fact that the judge dismissed it means a judge is like,
you're not a pedophile, so there's no defamation here. And
they were like, well, that was his plan the whole time.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
That the defamation would be.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'm not saying this is logic.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, I'm just telling you what I was reading.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm just telling you what I was reading.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It makes no sense, but.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yes, I had a bunch of people hit me of
all right, what y'all going to do on the episode?
I was like, I don't know what what what do
you want from us? Do you want me to bow
down and apologize?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, apologize?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I mean, I don't know what people are thinking because
I haven't really talked to many people about this. But
it's not I mean, the people have to know that
his lawyer, his team, they're gonna appeal this and take
this to another level. Yeah, I mean, I don't know
if people know that, like this is this is not over.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I mean, shitty, just should we just let it go?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Not see No, no, at this point.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
No, what would you if you had, if you and
your team your lawyers had things in your possession that
prove what you're saying is correct.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But why wouldn't And I'm not saying that it depends
the judge, And that's why the appeal process exists.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Every Yeah, didn't they reveal everything?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Because that was also something I saw on the the
OVO stand side of like, nah, he purposely was trying
to lose the first one so he could reveal more.
I was like, why wouldn't you just.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, no, I'm not just given. I'm not speaking to shit.
I'm speaking to fact shit, like real things, Like I
don't this is not over it.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I know people hear things getting dismissed, but like there's
a whole other level that I believe this is you
ready to go to. I don't think this is a
It's definitely not over here.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean I I see the side of even
people just being objective and aren't on this like weird
fucking divider stand line of like hey, Drake, the more
you do this, the more like you're adding more of
like this mystique and you're making not like us the
greatest battle record of all time. The more you do
(08:09):
things post the battle, like you're putting more allure to it,
Like I'm sure not like us because of this announcement,
may chart this week just because of the announcement, Like
you're adding more a lure to what this battle was
with these moves, and the appeal is just going to
continue that. But I also know that Drake doesn't give
a fuck.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That see both sides, like, yeah, but that's the side
that people see what you just said. A lot of
people don't think or speak to that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I know that he doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
When one, when you don't care, two, when you know
what you know and you know what's going on. Because
none of us knows Drake's business with his label. We
don't know his you know, his his negotiation, what he
was going through with the label at the time, none
of us know the specifics of that. But when you
know and your lawyers know exactly what happened and what
went on, when you say just let it go, No,
(08:57):
somebody of his caliber and his level is not going
to just let that go because they know what we
all do not know. They have information that none of
us have.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Okay, But then I guess I would ask, if you're
a Drake, are you looking at good lawyers lose cases.
I'm not saying that doesn't happen. If you have all
this stuff that we don't know, why did you go
with that approach of the defamation lane? And the judge
was clearly like, nah, this is a rap battle. No
(09:27):
one actually believed this. You also said in one of
the songs to call you a pedophile, Like, is this
Drake's lawyers making a grave mistake in this entire thing,
like even going in that approach of going the defamation route,
because clearly the judge was like, this is a rap battle.
This is not a negotiation for your deal with Universal.
(09:50):
I think that, like I said, they should have revealed
the stuff that we don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Yeah, the case, Yeah, the information that like people keeps,
there's information that the general public doesn't know. Well, I
would assume that if there's information that's pertinent to hint
this ruling or the lawsuit, it should be in the paperwork.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
And we all have the paperwork.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
So that's why it's like, what is this magic eight
ball information?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, how many days ago did they ask for the discovery?
It wasn't it was what maybe two weeks ago, maybe.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
October ninth, twenty twenty four. Oh no, yeah, let me
saying push for unredacted.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Because even like while watch though, wasn't that long ago,
you know, even not even the theories, but of the
third party that they claimed was hired to bot not
like us that worked with the Universal and worked with
apparently pg lang, like all the like, where is all
that stuff? Like at this point now it just feels
like it's just like Twitter rumors because I we knew
(10:49):
that to be true, but that's not Like Kendrick's not
the only person to ever use a third party person
to boost some shit. Every artist does. But none of
that even like came up in the I know they
were trying to serve papers to that guy and like
they couldn't find them, and I just feel like everything
just fell apart and the judge was just like it's
a rap battle, bro. Yeah, so I I yeah, this
(11:10):
is not how I saw this going because I thought
there was way more information. I thought this was going
to be like a four year long fucking trial he got.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Partial discovery was granted around the end of June. Top
of August. Limited Limited discovery on certain communications.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Limited discovery on certain communications. Yeah, so I don't I
don't believe that this case, this is over. I don't
believe that Draking, his tea and his lawyers are letting
us go. I do think that this is going to
another level. And again that speaks to him his team
having things and you know, again we don't know the
(11:49):
business side of it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
What you know Universal did.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
We do know that he's a top priority at Universal.
He is in the middle of renegotiation. I don't know
where that stands today. I don't know if he's even contemplating,
you know, any type of negotiation with Universal. But I
do know that Universal knows or they know, you know,
the Internet could say, oh, yeah, told you lost a
asked Universal if they think this is over, Like, just
(12:13):
ask somebody at Universal if they think that this case
is over.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We did uh this little this A that segment.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We did it with JD. Done it with JD. Uh,
we did with H Boy. I felt like there was
one more either way. We do. But yeah, we grab
some of your records where you have to pick which
which one you would pick out of the two. We'll
start with bounce back or dangerous.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Mmm, I say bounce back because it's about to be dining.
That's what my second.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
That would be fair, That would be fair.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
I think that Dangerous did something incredible for me this
when he first got out of jail, and it was
just like the radio smash that kicked off everything for
him again.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, now Dangerous was a joint.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yeah. I think I got a lot of dangerous women
after me. But that was back because that just because
how organically it happened.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
John or Rule the World?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Wow mmmmmm. I'll probably say John because it's the bigger,
bigger record. But and nobody knew. I don't have a
tag on that record too. Shout out to Al the producer,
and that was a crazy story. So John was a song.
I went to work with Polo to Don and this
back when Roscoe Dash was signed of Polo to Don.
(13:34):
So me and Roscoe Dash did a song over the
John beat that night at Interscope Studios in LA and
then somehow, some way, shit, I guess, Polo just took
him up a song and sent to beat Dwayne and
then that's how it turned up being John.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, I didn't even know you did.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
John.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
So years news later do you still have the U
and Roscoe dash version I wish I did. That's got
to be somewhere on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Somebody got took.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That hard drive.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
Somebody leaked that ship for.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
The first time you heard it was winning like on
the album or yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
I ain't know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
I wouldn't, I wouldn't live like that my tagging, even
though I had to do the follow up after the back,
get my lawyers on it.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
I need my credit you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Talking about it.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
But then didn't another version of that end up on teflon.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Down somebody did a similar beat. Yeah, it wasn't that.
It sounded like the dyet coke of.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
John Yeah, what was the name of that? It was
like the second record I think on tefwanda it was
the second record. Damn it was hard but the John
b Yeah was You could tell the difference when you
play them back to back on it the one or favorite?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Hmmm? The one was that record that I was telling
you that Vincent Herbert flewent it flew me back to
LA and kind of like started my whole LA run.
But I would have to go favorite just because man
like y'all don't understand them. Nicki Minine sessions was amazing
and to me, just the work that I put into
that record. Like a lot of people don't know that.
(14:55):
I forget her name, Candice her last name. She used
to be signing neo. That's her doing when the sample
shit that you know that you need to ride up
right up right up, it's Aaron Ray doing the fucking
and all that other show the record, you know. So
that was a crazy time, like for real.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean, just judging off Nikki's Twitter as of recent,
I could only imagine what a private studio session with
her would be. Like, I mean, obviously there's NDAs on
NDAs and that, but what is it typical Nicki Minaj's session.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Like hmm, Well, at that time, she worked at a
studio called Glenwood that was in Burbank. So I would
just go to the studio and she was like the
first person I've seen with like the booth like just
whatever her move was, Like I remember walking the booth.
It was like a beach like Nigga had sand in
the moof like fucking beach balls, like they were on
(15:47):
some crazy shit. He is the first person I seen
with the gigantic sign with their name on it inside
the studio and fucking on for me. Like she would
just she would just be there sober, doing whatever she doing.
I would be getting overly drunk and fucking smoking weed.
And then she just let me, gave me free reign.
At one point she was just like, Yo, this is juice,
(16:07):
this is my studio. Just go crazy, do whatever you
want to do. So with Favorite in general, Jeremiah came
to the studio. I was in another room. She was
in her room. She booked me another room, and I
was with her engineer while she was doing whatever she
was doing. And Jeremiah was like, heyo, buruh, I got
like seven minutes before I need to go to Lax.
I'm like, nigga, what the fuck you even come to
the studio for in the first place, Like you got
(16:28):
seven minutes to do him on God in my life, nigga.
He went in there, he did one takedown and somehow,
some way he said, I just want to be your favorite.
I'm like, that's it, stopped him, got it, chopped it up,
copy paste to put it like four times, and told
him to dance around. And he literally left in those
seven minutes. And that's how the hook head.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's fucking that's wild. That's super wild. What's her process? Like, NIGGI,
as far as she like approaches.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Songs to me, it's just like I think it's great beats,
and then when her collaborating, she would just have great
beats and be like, Yo, make some hooks for me,
do some shit that I like. Like even it's a
song on how I'm called Shanghai. I'm on the song.
It's me saying roll up on you and all this
other shit on the actual record. So she was just like,
go go hook crazy for me, and then I just
(17:14):
went hook crazy and it turned out to being whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Incredible, Sexy Lady or Sexy Kenna.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
Oh my god, i' mna have to go Sexy Kenna
just because I knew Sexy Lady was a hit. And
like y'all got to like go back into them la
days like Nigga, Like I was literally like wearing a chinchilla.
My man, my manager at the time, was the club
promoter at the Hottest Club or whatever I think it
was called like fuck Mondays or something like that, shout
out to TK and all them or whatever, and I
(17:42):
used to go in the club. They used to sneak
the bottles in. We would go to Rouse some by
a bunch of bottles before we went to the club,
and my manager at the time was the promoter, so
he would set me up at the table next to
DJ Echo and they would bring the bottles out and
I would wear like a full limp chinchilla in the
middle of like summer or whatever in La, just wilding
out performing my song Sexy Lady. And then from there
it just blew to this phenomenon Sexy can I. I
(18:05):
actually hated Sexy Ken I stoles P was supposed to
be on Sexy Kenny before me. Remember, ray J was
signing a cotch and the record be in Shadow was
doing all the radio shit for the epic or whatever
at the time, So styles P was supposed to be
on that. And I'm glad that that styles P wasn't
on Sexy Can Out. That seems like a weird choice,
much less.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It, but stoles rapping sexy to the hate, I'm like yo.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
So when they presented me the record, Charlie Walker at
the time, who like, fucking is my guy? This niggas
like five two looks like Zulander. He was the fucking
president of Epic Records at the time, and he was like, Yo,
you need to do this record for ray J. And
I'm like, I'm just coming off of Sexy Lady and
I wanted to go to my song the Business with
the girl cash is sinking the Hook and I'm like, nah,
(18:52):
I want to go to this song. He's like, no,
You're gonna do this is gonna be your biggest record.
He like, what is it going to take for you
to do this record? I'm like, gott to buy me
a chain? He like, I'm like yeah. I called Jason
and Beverly Hills and I put him on the phone
with Charlie Walker. I'm like, yo, I want an Epic
Records chain, like you gotta make it. He made the chain.
It probably came out my budget, you know what I'm saying.
He got me the chain and I never forgetted me.
(19:13):
Billy J. Cap One, we walked from the Lowe's Hotel
to what Willie's in Miami and we just threw bars
around while we was doing it, just talking shit with
my brothers and threw bars around. We wrote. I wrote
all my parts with them, probably on that walk. I
laid my part at Circle House where I still work
at today. That's how crazy this shit coming for Circle.
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And then from there it leads us to the epic
studio session with me, ray J, the girl Casha, and
Tierra Marie. I didn't know it was Tierra Marie at
the time. So like, ray J comes in the studio,
I think we're at a fucking we're at a studio.
We're a childie in La And this when he just
did his Vivid deal for the Kim Kardashian tape and
he was on this porn star shit. So the nigga
(19:56):
came in. He like, hey, yo, bird, I don't want
to disrespect your lady, but you mind if I put
these on the TV.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I'm like these.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
The nigga put out all Vivid DVDs, a porn and
shit like that. So now we're in a session. He
got a gun, allegedly he had a gut a strap
on the table. It's nothing but white women porno playing
on this big screen inside the studio and we're finishing
the song Sexy Canon. So we're in there and like
there's a girl that's like talking so bad about ray J,
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Like you trash nigga, you get your weak ass out
of here, and I'm like, who.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Is this girl disrespecting J Like through that, I ain't
know it. Tierra Marie at the time like he ain't
cooked at me.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I'm like, yo.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
The nigga goes in the booth, he like, I gotta
hit this last line. He's like getting dungeons in some
fun and he like, nah, it's my Stevie.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
She like, get your Stevie from there.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
We delivered the record, and shit that shit shot up
to like fucking I think it peaked at number two
on the Hot one hundred or whatever. And it's like,
why this ray J and Young Bird had this record
that all these white people.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Like, I mean, yeah, that fucking melody is.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I went.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I went to jail on the video set of the
video for what the first shot of the day we
in Miami. I'm smoking a blunt. Nigga's down to like
a roach. I throw the blunt out of the fucking
ship and the police that was one set to protect
us came, picked up the roach and took me to jail.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Saquilo Meal bailed me out of jail.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I can't make this ship up, bro, Like, yeah, bro.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
I knew I should have known the record was going down,
and when came that is your greatest record?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Kidding, don't getting no great sold on. Let's slow down
for second. I got to sat number memorized.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
No. Ray J and Shaq had a business deal and
I think he was the investor on ray J's project
at the time.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Okay, yeah, and he was.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
A police officer in Miami. Bro Nigga came and bailed
me out of jail. Come on, little man, and I
back on set twelve hours later, and it's like I never.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Went to jail. It's sexy, can die fucking Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
So I guess Kim has a type then, because I'd
heard at every Kanye session all he would have was
just porno on the whole time, like it would be,
it would be, it's not that horny assistance in pr
coming back to the Deaf Jam office like shell shocks, Like, yeah,
we went to the studio and it was just hardcore
porn playing the entire time.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
It's like, Bro is different.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Bro, that's a difference, Apple Horny. Where do we begin
with the mob deep problem? Oh man, I'm ready to
shed it, dear.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's a really good project.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
It was.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I was so happy when I put them on, played
it like they did. They did it right.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
It feels like this is not you know, Demaris, I
can never say the word postumus, posthumous, posthumous. Yeah, it's
not a possum album. It really feels like Havoc, Prodigy
and Alchemists put out an album in twenty twenty five. Absolutely,
it feels like an evolution of Mob Deep in the
most beautiful way ever. There's not a fucking skip on it.
(23:12):
Prodigy is rapping at the highest level of Prodigy, which
is saying something Havoc sounds incredible. I don't know what
to say more about what this Mob Deep album is.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
What is it about twenty five where like we're seeing
you know, Mob Deep and mass Appeal.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, Like, what is it? Like?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Look, what's going on mass Appeal is is?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I mean, I know people are obviously talking about Mass
Appeal and everything that they're doing, but I still think
we need to champion them even more. Everything that Peter
Nas and the whole staff over there. Shit, Anthony, I'm
sure just being Nas manager is heavily involved with it too.
What you guys are doing is how hip hop should
age like This is the best example ever when they
(23:57):
say no country for old men, Nope, hip hop is
aging perfectly because of what NAS and Mass Appeal are doing.
Everything is incredible. It's handled with care, it's not just
to do it for the fuck of it. They're all
moving together too, and they were all at Comic Conna.
Believe that was this weekend. Like seeing everyone move together
to to promote it. It's been the most beautiful thing
(24:17):
to watch hip hop age in this way. Absolutely like
NAS does not get enough credit for what this is
what elder statesmen are supposed to do, not only look
out for the younger, but also your peers and before you.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Make sure things are done right, done with taste, done
with attention to detail, curating things properly.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think, like you said, everything you said is correct.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
What Master Piell has been doing with all of the
projects that they've been a part of has been just
handled with so much like you said, care, and you
know they really, you know, want to make sure things
are done correctly and with class and still have that
style that you know hip hop is supposed to have.
So shout out the Mass Appeal because they've been getting
(24:59):
it right.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah that shit, I mean just coming off the intro, Like,
I literally did not take the Mobdi album off over
the weekend like usually I take my break to catch
up on my pod shit and you know, audio books
and that shit. This was probably the first weekend in
a while that I literally did not stop listening to
one album for three days straight out the gate called
(25:21):
me corny, but shit against the world when Prodigy end
of that shit will see you on the other side,
I legitimately got fucking shows. Yeah, and even pore the
Hennessy of Like having that verse of like already pre
recorded for if I Pass Away was absolutely insane, and
(25:43):
then having Nas follow that shit up was I can't
even say enough about it. Hearing Ray Kwan and Ghost
face with them again was incredible the clips for the
first time, Like it just reminds you how important duos are.
And I know, like Ghost and Ray obviously are solo
and all that, but they're a duo clips duo, like
that ship is needed in hip hop. I feel like
(26:06):
the big group shit cool, solo cool, but just two
fucking people that could rap well. I missed that shit
so much and this this nailed it, Like Alchemists, When
are we to have the conversation of I know he
gets his flowers, but the way we talk about Swizz, Tim, Kanye,
(26:28):
just you can make an argument that al is above
some of them at this point. This this run for
the last five six years, outside of what Al already accomplished,
what he is even when he posted his for your
Grammy consideration and you just looked at what he did
in the last fucking year and in the middle of
doing this, also doing his Eric about Due album, coming
off to Freddy gives shit, doing the Mob Deep like
(26:50):
hit Boy album, rapping crazy on that, Like, is there
even a debate that Al is not a list hip
hop royalty a producer, that's not. No, but like it's
a different status at this point, Like he surpassed Tim
in my brain.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well, Tim does more than just hip hop like Tim,
you know, he does more than rap. So Tim is
a different he does AI. You're right about that.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But if we're doing it versus this year, you and
your fucking bullshit uh Korean AI girl versus Eric Abad,
do I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Go oh no, no for absolutely, But you know, Alchemist
is again, we talked about it. He's the soundtrack to
you know, New York hip hop. His sound is the
is the backdrop to New York City. As far as
I'm concerned, he's one of my favorite producers ever. And
what he continues to do and how he continues to
still find ways to be creative and stay motivated, stay
(27:48):
inspired by this new generation in new sounds. It's dope
to watch, you know what I'm saying, him still have
fun with it and things like this. You know this,
this Mob Deep album, which is obviously very personal for him.
For him to still be able to capture that feeling
and keep that Mob Deep sound to a certain level
of where we know it to be, it just speaks
(28:09):
to als of his just you know, his dedication to
just always staying sharp and keeping keeping his craft at
a high level. But yeah, definitely Alchemists. I mean, I
don't know who argues Alchemist is his status in you know,
the best producer of all time category.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I guess I'm just saying now with the second run
he's had, I think it's undeniable. Like before, maybe there
was some conversation like, oh, you gotta look Swiss as
these huge number one records and with all these A lists,
I just think with this run. You can't say all
those names and not say Alchemists absolutely well, and not
that he gives a fuck, but yeah, but that makes
(28:45):
it even better. He don't do it for that. He
don't talk about the recognition of it. He just wants
the music and the craft to speaks for itself and
shout out to to have it. I mean, obviously you
know they called al the third member of Mob Deep
years and years ago, but to even you know, have
our part of that as well, I thought says a
lot about Havoc too, because I Have could have been like, no,
not this one. It is just I'm just doing this
(29:07):
me and p so to collaborate with him there, because
I think Have is one of the most underrated producers,
probably the most underrated drums and hip hop historys have
to me, but him also, you know, letting out be
a part of this, I think was says a lot
about Avoc absolutely regard but sorry for the nerd shit.
I just can't say enough.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
No, the album Mob Deep album definite available now if
you haven't heard it. I don't know what she was
listening to, but definitely go listen to that Mob Deep album.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
They also announced nas DJ premiere dropping Decemmer twenty twenty five.
They put out a record a couple of months ago.
I mean we've been hearing about this for over a year.
I can't wait for this, Like what a fucking year.
Yeah that we also get a nas in premier ship
at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I mean we've been talking about this for for years.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know, we get a big l album into as well.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, yeah, this mass appeal is listen, man, I love it, man.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I think you know they've they've carved a very specific
thing out for what they want to do and how
they want to do things, and they've been executing at
a high level.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
The quality has been incredible.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
So I'm here man, I'm looking forward to anything that
Max A Peel is doing.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
If I don't know, if there's some type of Grammy
or there's something, there should be some type of award.
I feel like for Label of the Year, some something.
They deserve that type of award. And even coming off
was it fifty years last year for hip Hop Anniversary
years two years ago, even Massive Heel being you know,
behind the celebration at Yankee Stadium, Like I don't ever
(30:35):
want to hear any old head complain that hip hop
was in a bad space, Like you look at what
they're doing with the genre that we love. Yeah, they're
still this side over here, absolutely, And if you're complaining,
you need to start praising fucking Mass Appeal and what
they've done and on the dock side and on the
content side.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I'm mass Appeal. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You guys are amazing what you do, Like, I appreciate
that shit. It's all podcasting lately is fucking hating. I
want to highlight how amazing a company is doing right now,
like for the spirit all that corny shit of hip hop, Like,
let's stop complaining about shit sometimes and highlight the people
that are doing it correctly.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
No, the dope shit is out there. I mean, you
just got to pay attention to it and highlight it
and support it. But it's it's definitely great hip hop
music still being produced, still being created. So yeah, you
just gotta support it when you see it. And again,
this Mob the Infinite album is one of them. And
looking forward to again, you know anything that mass Pill
is doing, because they are they just paying attention to
(31:37):
the to the details, man, just making sure everything is
done at a certain level. So you got to support anybody,
any creator that's paying attention to the small things and
the details of it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Nah, for sure, And I mean anything to get nads
outside too. I love that just Nas is just running
around New York. Now, yeah, this shit is great to see. Man,
they a lot looks incredible. Everybody looks young, like healthy
and shit.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Love it. But be the example man hip hop and
age gracefully.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, we do need to start by saying rest in
peace to one of the greatest musicians, singers, artists of
our time, DiAngelo. Yeah. This this was one of those
this like when artists die or celebrities die sometimes like
oh that sucks with this, this one like hurt, Like
I felt like I know him and I've never met him.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's this.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't even know where to begin on this one.
How many times in the last ten years of podcasting
I have we just discussed our Dmslow was one of
our favorite artists ever. Anytime we have an R and
B debate, first name we bringing up like he was
one of them. Absolutely, Like you can't compare his voice
or style to any other artist period, whether be pop,
R and B, and Neils or whatever he I mean,
(32:48):
he was a goat with you know, three albums that
he spread out in each generation an era that he
put an album out. He changed the face of music
during absolutely so yeah, I mean, uh, you know, condolences
to his family, definitely, to his his son, definitely, probably
rough rough year for him losing both parents, so surprise,
(33:11):
and condolences to his son as well as his daughter too.
But did you ever have the privilege of meeting D'Angelo?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Uh, he was in the studio one night. I forgot
whose session it was.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
He was in the studio, but we never I never
had the the privilege of having an actual one on
one conversation and kicking with him, kicking it with him
and giving him his flowers. But you know when you
say di'angelo, you know, for somebody growing up in the nineties,
we call it the Golden era of music R and B.
Especially D'Angelo was was the guy that you know, absolutely
(33:52):
changed the style. You know, you used to seeing musicians
look a certain way. You're not used to seeing musicians
with the talent level of it. The Angelo would have
corn rolls and you know, leather jackets and no shirt
like it was like, you know, he just changed the
style of what musicians look like, especially in the nineties,
(34:13):
Like he just came in and was you know, just
completely completely just changed the sound and the energy in
R and B soul. So many people that are an
extension of his talent and his musical genius. So receiving
that news of his past and was definitely heavy, like
you know, because the Angelou was never somebody that was
(34:35):
ever really in the headlines. So it's easy to kind
of like not think about the Angelo unless you like
hearing his music or like you you know, he happens
to be working on a new project. So when you know,
I forgot who hit the chat and it was like
the Angelo passed.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I was like I read that.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I was like, whoa you let me just reading that
was just like that's somebody he wasn't expecting to just
you know, read that passed away. But after privately, you know,
battling the illness and things like that, you know, the
family decided to keep that, you know, because he was again,
he was not Dangelo wasn't somebody that was ever really
in the headlines. It wasn't nothing negative.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It was just like if it wasn't about music. If
he wasn't performing, you didn't know what D'Angelo was doing.
And I think that's the way he wanted it.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
That's the way he you know, saw to his mystique
and his aura was was strictly about the music and
his talent. But so young, you know, to to to
pass away at fifty one, and his talent, man, you know,
obviously had to live on.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
His music lives on. But yeah, di'angelo was was one
of the greats. You know.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
For him to no longer be with us, you know,
so soon, it's just like it's just kind of like,
you know, put you in a fall because you can't
really like damn like that fast so soon, like, but
you know, one of the greatest. Remember listening to you know,
Lady and Brown Sugar being in high school, like he
was just a soundtrack if you was, like had a
(35:59):
crush on a girl, so you had to play D'Angelo.
You had to, like, you know, if it was a
talent show, it was like, who's gonna sing DeAngelo? Like
everybody came, Who's gonna try to do that? Everybody D'Angelo
Like he was just the coolest of the cool man,
so prayers and condolence. Is his family left an incredible legacy,
you know, just somebody just had so much musical integrity
(36:21):
and so much style and and and did it his way.
So yeah, man, it's it's a terrible loss for the
coaching and for music. But you know, his work is here,
His his music is here, the people that he influences here,
the artists that he worked would is still here.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So you know, his music and his art lives off
for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah. When I was working for Kevin Lyles, he was
working with D'Angelo I guess you could say managing Dangelo
at that time for the Black Messiah album and Dangel
that you know obviously never came to the office, never
was like, you know, part of any meetings or anything.
But when I say, anytime Kevin would play like a
song from that before it came out, like we would
(37:01):
all just gather around like the media room door like
children and just put our fucking ear to the side
to try to hear that shit. So like seeing that
project from an office standpoint completely come together was like
just an honor to be next to somebody that was
working with Dangelo.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Like I had nothing whatsoever to do.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I was just in the office. But that was like
one of the coolest times ever of like damn listening
to a d' angelo project right now, like nobody's heard,
but yeah, with me and Dixon were in Electric Lady,
which is a very famous studio in New York City
where you know Dangel recorded most of his work, So
aquariums from fuck Eric Bado, everyone you know recorded out
(37:41):
of there. We like didn't work for like an hour
and a half because we were just sitting there talk
like like Dangelo sat right here. Yeah, like we shouldn't
be allowed it. It's fun, like why are we why
are we working in here? This is nuts, Like that's
the same both incredible talent man. So yeah, rest in peace. Again.
I don't know if you have any Dangelo memories, not
(38:02):
like personal, We'll.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Just like you guys covered everything.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
He's a good job. Yeah, I did see.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And I'm not sure if this was a rumor confirmed
that prior to his death he was working on did
it say like six different projects or something he was
working on that wouldn't surprise me, So I mean hopefully
that means, you know, we're still going to get D'Angelo
music that he would want out not just some ship
that a label threw together with fucking old dat tapes.
(38:28):
But he was probably battling pancreatic cancer, so it wouldn't
surprise me if he was planning these projects for after
his death. So you know, I hope we get to
at least here though sometimes so absolutely, but yeah, I
don't really know how to turn turn them round Benzeno.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
This was just a.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Perfect example of sometimes.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
The angeloa Benzinos, because I know, I know that's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
It's a perfect example of like of like sometimes honoring
legends that have passed, like you should just sit out.
Sometimes we don't need to know what, like what influences
you had from him after his death, because I do
believe that Benzino was influenced by Dangelo. All of us were.
But I didn't need to see like exactly how Benzino
(39:20):
was influenced.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Okay, I cannot Okay, no, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I don't think Benzino was influenced by D'Angelo. I think
about Benzino's music nothing that I think. This is just
what call it, this is cloud chasing. I think that's
exactly what this is.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
He was doing this.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, he was come on, he was giving Dangelo his
flowers before.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah, that's yeah, he didn't just do that, but that
would be fucking nute.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
But oh he didn't just do this. No, it's still nuts.
So he had this in the vault.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Matter of fact, I think it's more disrespectful of doing
this when D'Angelo is alive so he can see it. Why,
but why he is gonna have to put that ship
somewhere on the screen. It's it's the untitled video when
Dangelo is is shirtless with that shadow. But Benzino took
that and put his own spin on it. Oh, this
is with him being shirtless.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
This is how does it feel? Yes, Okay, okay, listen, man,
I mean I stayed correctly. This was before this video
was out, before D'Angelo passed. Yes, and I stayed correct
And when maybe Benzino was influenced by No No, he.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Was suggesting, like you know, he posted it when Benzino passed, like, hey,
I've been influenced in my career by him. Here's an
example of how how it made him feel.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Okay, and I saw it.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I saw Dangelo's son post something of you know, it's
been a tough year.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
For having me in your thoughts and prayers. I'll definitely
need it, Like keep keep telling me that. Do you
think this made him feel any better? Like something some
tributes should just be like kept in the touch. I'm
sure he read Beyonce's post and was like, oh man,
that's that's really cool to know that my pops, you know,
influenced one of the biggest pop stars ever. Like those
types of things I think help in grief and death.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
If I saw this, like.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
That's gonna that's gonna delay like funeral plans, I'm gonna
be so angry.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I honestly, it probably gave him a laugh.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
It probably gave him like or him and his dad
may have laughed at that together before.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
That could have been a good memory.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, yeah, Like if that was out before his passion,
then yeah, I'm pretty sure D'Angelo laughed at that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I also thought it's also crazy to think that James
got the last recorded D'Angelo record that was put out
font James Samuel for the soundtrack for the Book of Clarence.
It was the Jason Angelo record I Want You For. Yeah,
so that's that was the last one that was put
(41:55):
out while he was alive, which is crazy to think but.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Should now out that would make sense though James working.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
With then, Oh absolutely, that makes it. Yeah, I'm sure
they had been talking about that for quite some time,
even before that, because I think James even went in
interviews and like Hope didn't even know about it, and
he just was sending him snippets and I think he
said Hove was on the treadmill sending him bars while
he was running on the treadmill because he had this
d Angelo record, like, yeah, I'll write for dan.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
You got a d Angelo record? Yeah, I'll get on
that for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
That's such a that's such a cool way for hip
hop to age, like a guy in his fifties on
a treadmill writing raps to a d' angelo record.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yea for a movie called Book of Clarence.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And then sending them his voice notes to like someone's iPhone.
That absolutely But yeah, I wish you guys wanted to
shame me so much when I thought Dan Angelo was
down the hall for me those months ago.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Oh yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, when you kept when you kept conveniently having to
walk to the bathroom, Yeah in the dungeon, that flux. Yeah,
but I that, But then when you told us that,
I understood it though, like I got it. Yeah, I
was like, no, listen, that's that's Dangelo.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
But it's like, there's a way to go about that still,
but I understood it's D'Angelo. Bro as a musician, as anybody,
a producer, as an artist, If you have the opportunity
to be in the same rooms, especially a studio, and
just talk to DiAngelo and pick his brain about music,
I mean, you definitely have to take that opportunity whenever
you can, because you don't know when you'll have that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Again, and because he had probably the most unique voice
in R and B history, and be outside of like
Marvion Gay, you know, when you're walking past a studio
and like, all right, that's Dangelo and I've never heard
that song, but what the fuck is going on in there?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
But yeah, Benzino, I guess we all we all grieve.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Different we do, that is very true. Or we do
grieve differently. Absolutely,
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I guess we have to get into uh what I'm
sure not so much our listeners, but the people that
don't listen to our podcast unless they want to just
come here to be mean to us. They're all at
the edge. They came to this episode just to hear
us talk about the Drake lawsuit and what's the best
way you want to approach it? Do we want to
satisfy them and be like, yo, you you guys are
(00:27):
the greatest. You guys are right, we're losers. We're fucking laves,
like we're fucking yeah, you know you guys. Hey, man,
you guys win.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But that is how you want? Is that how you
want to answer? Respond? Oh no, I.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Mean I don't really care, which is kind of funny.
But of course, anytime, whether it be the report of
the judge dismissing the defamation case or even I forgot
what the other big announcement was that video of me
speaking about the case maybe thirty minutes after just the
(01:08):
announcement came out, Like I was just speculating of what
we knew at that time, which was nothing right, and
that video they have positioned like I said it yesterday. Yeah,
I had no information like anyone else. We were all speculating.
I was like, hmmm, I don't know what the case is.
At this point, defamation wasn't even in the case. I
was like, oh, this could be interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
They have ran that.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Clip to the ground, like I'm like, it's actually makes
me laugh, not by the people that like are really
reacting to it, like yeah, man, you had this one wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They said that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It's like the people that are like, this is why
he should die. Yeah, those are my favorite.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
The ones that get like somebody should die behind older this.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, and then they also just go like after that,
like yeah, and his co should commit suicide, and it's
like because he likes a rapper that you don't.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's absolutely I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean, I'm not here to like really defend Eddie
and my position, even though I said from rip that
I don't care if Drake is doing this for artists,
it's weird that you could have a video and they
will remix exactly what you said in the video to
a complete like I'm like, wait, you're commenting under a
video with a quote the videos.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I did not care if Drake was doing this for
himself or for other artists.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I never said he was.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I just thought it could be helpful if ung had
to open their books and show shit. That was about it.
It then turned into this whole defamation and everything else.
I just don't care that much now about the case
or yeah, because I cared about it more when I
had the idea of, oh, this could lead to UMG
(02:59):
having to reveal certain things like that happens in cases,
whatever deposition is happening, I was curious. I didn't care
what Drake's intentions were.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They could be just for.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Him or just for for other artists. I didn't care.
I just thought it would be cool if we finally
made them open up and revealed some shit. Other than that,
I mean cool.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, a lot. You know, my phone went crazy when
the news.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I had just left, so I think y'all was to
hear Yeah, me and P just here. My phone started
going crazy. But it was just it was funny.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It's funny to see people's reaction and again people still
not understanding what the case was about.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
As someone that thought I understood it now I actually
don't like because I know he was from my understanding
initially suing for UMG promoting, pushing and using bots about
a song that was defaming him. Then the result was,
(04:00):
all right, the case is dismissed because there's no defamation.
I didn't know. I didn't even think he was suing
for that. So now I'm just lost. So that's why
I say. That's why I say, you guys win, like
K dot K by the whole world.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah win.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm sorry, I'm an, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I was wrong. I have no idea what the fuck
is going on.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Clearly the paperwork that I initially read is not even
where the case ended up. Because I thought he was
suing UMG for them promoting a song that defamed him. Well,
because when the I agreed with the judge, because I
initially came in here, when you and I would would argue,
where I'd be like, do you really think anybody actually
sits and things to drake his fucking pedophile it's just
a battle, Like no one is really really walking around
(04:40):
thinking that I agreed with what the judge said, Like
this is just a battle back. No one really thinks that.
But I didn't think that was the lawsuit. I thought
it was illegally promoting outside of the industry standard a
song that was defaming him, and now it how the
judgmentde it, how the judge made it sound. It was like,
all right, yeah, he said mean things about you, but
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you said mean things do what was.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The words non actionable.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
With what the judges said, Like I said, rap up.
I just didn't think that was what the laws.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
No, that was the lawsuit.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
The main thing in the case was the defamation and
the false statements. That's why there were things brought up
in the lawsuit about like how it affected like Drake's family,
Like that's why you know, shit like that the defamation lawsuit.
But if you can't whether they were pro on top
of falsely or amplifying the defamation. It was mainly about defamation.
But if you can't prove the defamation, then the amplifying
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of it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Fair.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
So that's where.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, I mean at this point, I also want to
like give flowers to the OVO stands for sure, because
the way they flipped it, I thought the kbots were
going to be the ones that were going to be
fucking celebrating Drake may have some of the most positive
fans I've ever seen in my life. Theyay yea, y'all
(06:00):
didn't even see understands Drake's angle. The judge just proves
that he's not a pedophile. That was his case the
whole time. I said, all right, man, they said, the
fact that the judge dismissed it means a judge is like,
you're not a pedophile, so there's no defamation here. And
they were like, well, that was his plan the whole time.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
That the defamation would be.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'm not saying this is logic.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, I'm just telling you what I was reading.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm just telling you what I was reading.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It makes no sense, but.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yes, I had a bunch of people hit me of
all right, what y'all going to do on the episode?
I was like, I don't know what what what do
you want from us? Do you want me to bow
down and apologize?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, apologize?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I mean, I don't know what people are thinking because
I haven't really talked to many people about this. But
it's not I mean, the people have to know that
his lawyer, his team, they're gonna appeal this and take
this to another level. Yeah, I mean, I don't know
if people know that, like this is this is not over.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I mean, shitty, just should we just let it go?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Not see No, no, at this point.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
No, what would you if you had, if you and
your team your lawyers had things in your possession that
prove what you're saying is correct.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But why wouldn't And I'm not saying that it depends
the judge, And that's why the appeal process exists.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Every Yeah, didn't they reveal everything?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Because that was also something I saw on the the
OVO stand side of like, nah, he purposely was trying
to lose the first one so he could reveal more.
I was like, why wouldn't you just.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, no, I'm not just given. I'm not speaking to shit.
I'm speaking to fact shit, like real things, Like I
don't this is not over it.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I know people hear things getting dismissed, but like there's
a whole other level that I believe this is you
ready to go to. I don't think this is a
It's definitely not over here.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean I I see the side of even
people just being objective and aren't on this like weird
fucking divider stand line of like hey, Drake, the more
you do this, the more like you're adding more of
like this mystique and you're making not like us the
greatest battle record of all time. The more you do
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things post the battle, like you're putting more allure to it,
Like I'm sure not like us because of this announcement,
may chart this week just because of the announcement, Like
you're adding more a lure to what this battle was
with these moves, and the appeal is just going to
continue that. But I also know that Drake doesn't give
a fuck.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That see both sides, like, yeah, but that's the side
that people see what you just said. A lot of
people don't think or speak to that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I know that he doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
When one, when you don't care, two, when you know
what you know and you know what's going on. Because
none of us knows Drake's business with his label. We
don't know his you know, his his negotiation, what he
was going through with the label at the time, none
of us know the specifics of that. But when you
know and your lawyers know exactly what happened and what
went on, when you say just let it go, No,
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somebody of his caliber and his level is not going
to just let that go because they know what we
all do not know. They have information that none of
us have.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Okay, But then I guess I would ask, if you're
a Drake, are you looking at good lawyers lose cases.
I'm not saying that doesn't happen. If you have all
this stuff that we don't know, why did you go
with that approach of the defamation lane? And the judge
was clearly like, nah, this is a rap battle. No
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one actually believed this. You also said in one of
the songs to call you a pedophile, Like, is this
Drake's lawyers making a grave mistake in this entire thing,
like even going in that approach of going the defamation route,
because clearly the judge was like, this is a rap battle.
This is not a negotiation for your deal with Universal.
(09:50):
I think that, like I said, they should have revealed
the stuff that we don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Yeah, the case, Yeah, the information that like people keeps,
there's information that the general public doesn't know. Well, I
would assume that if there's information that's pertinent to hint
this ruling or the lawsuit, it should be in the paperwork.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
And we all have the paperwork.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
So that's why it's like, what is this magic eight
ball information?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, how many days ago did they ask for the discovery?
It wasn't it was what maybe two weeks ago, maybe.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
October ninth, twenty twenty four. Oh no, yeah, let me
saying push for unredacted.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Because even like while watch though, wasn't that long ago,
you know, even not even the theories, but of the
third party that they claimed was hired to bot not
like us that worked with the Universal and worked with
apparently pg lang, like all the like, where is all
that stuff? Like at this point now it just feels
like it's just like Twitter rumors because I we knew
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that to be true, but that's not Like Kendrick's not
the only person to ever use a third party person
to boost some shit. Every artist does. But none of
that even like came up in the I know they
were trying to serve papers to that guy and like
they couldn't find them, and I just feel like everything
just fell apart and the judge was just like it's
a rap battle, bro. Yeah, so I I yeah, this
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is not how I saw this going because I thought
there was way more information. I thought this was going
to be like a four year long fucking trial he got.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Partial discovery was granted around the end of June. Top
of August. Limited Limited discovery on certain communications.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Limited discovery on certain communications. Yeah, so I don't I
don't believe that this case, this is over. I don't
believe that Draking, his tea and his lawyers are letting
us go. I do think that this is going to
another level. And again that speaks to him his team
having things and you know, again we don't know the
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business side of it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
What you know Universal did.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
We do know that he's a top priority at Universal.
He is in the middle of renegotiation. I don't know
where that stands today. I don't know if he's even contemplating,
you know, any type of negotiation with Universal. But I
do know that Universal knows or they know, you know,
the Internet could say, oh, yeah, told you lost a
asked Universal if they think this is over, Like, just
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ask somebody at Universal if they think that this case
is over.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We did uh this little this A that segment.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We did it with JD. Done it with JD. Uh,
we did with H Boy. I felt like there was
one more either way. We do. But yeah, we grab
some of your records where you have to pick which
which one you would pick out of the two. We'll
start with bounce back or dangerous.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Mmm, I say bounce back because it's about to be dining.
That's what my second.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
That would be fair, That would be fair.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
I think that Dangerous did something incredible for me this
when he first got out of jail, and it was
just like the radio smash that kicked off everything for
him again.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, now Dangerous was a joint.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yeah. I think I got a lot of dangerous women
after me. But that was back because that just because
how organically it happened.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
John or Rule the World?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Wow mmmmmm. I'll probably say John because it's the bigger,
bigger record. But and nobody knew. I don't have a
tag on that record too. Shout out to Al the producer,
and that was a crazy story. So John was a song.
I went to work with Polo to Don and this
back when Roscoe Dash was signed of Polo to Don.
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So me and Roscoe Dash did a song over the
John beat that night at Interscope Studios in LA and
then somehow, some way, shit, I guess, Polo just took
him up a song and sent to beat Dwayne and
then that's how it turned up being John.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, I didn't even know you did.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
John.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
So years news later do you still have the U
and Roscoe dash version I wish I did. That's got
to be somewhere on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Somebody got took.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That hard drive.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
Somebody leaked that ship for.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
The first time you heard it was winning like on
the album or yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
I ain't know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
I wouldn't, I wouldn't live like that my tagging, even
though I had to do the follow up after the back,
get my lawyers on it.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
I need my credit you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Talking about it.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
But then didn't another version of that end up on teflon.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Down somebody did a similar beat. Yeah, it wasn't that.
It sounded like the dyet coke of.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
John Yeah, what was the name of that? It was
like the second record I think on tefwanda it was
the second record. Damn it was hard but the John
b Yeah was You could tell the difference when you
play them back to back on it the one or favorite?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Hmmm? The one was that record that I was telling
you that Vincent Herbert flewent it flew me back to
LA and kind of like started my whole LA run.
But I would have to go favorite just because man
like y'all don't understand them. Nicki Minine sessions was amazing
and to me, just the work that I put into
that record. Like a lot of people don't know that.
(14:55):
I forget her name, Candice her last name. She used
to be signing neo. That's her doing when the sample
shit that you know that you need to ride up
right up right up, it's Aaron Ray doing the fucking
and all that other show the record, you know. So
that was a crazy time, like for real.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean, just judging off Nikki's Twitter as of recent,
I could only imagine what a private studio session with
her would be. Like, I mean, obviously there's NDAs on
NDAs and that, but what is it typical Nicki Minaj's session.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Like hmm, Well, at that time, she worked at a
studio called Glenwood that was in Burbank. So I would
just go to the studio and she was like the
first person I've seen with like the booth like just
whatever her move was, Like I remember walking the booth.
It was like a beach like Nigga had sand in
the moof like fucking beach balls, like they were on
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some crazy shit. He is the first person I seen
with the gigantic sign with their name on it inside
the studio and fucking on for me. Like she would
just she would just be there sober, doing whatever she doing.
I would be getting overly drunk and fucking smoking weed.
And then she just let me, gave me free reign.
At one point she was just like, Yo, this is juice,
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this is my studio. Just go crazy, do whatever you
want to do. So with Favorite in general, Jeremiah came
to the studio. I was in another room. She was
in her room. She booked me another room, and I
was with her engineer while she was doing whatever she
was doing. And Jeremiah was like, heyo, buruh, I got
like seven minutes before I need to go to Lax.
I'm like, nigga, what the fuck you even come to
the studio for in the first place, Like you got
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seven minutes to do him on God in my life, nigga.
He went in there, he did one takedown and somehow,
some way he said, I just want to be your favorite.
I'm like, that's it, stopped him, got it, chopped it up,
copy paste to put it like four times, and told
him to dance around. And he literally left in those
seven minutes. And that's how the hook head.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's fucking that's wild. That's super wild. What's her process? Like, NIGGI,
as far as she like approaches.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Songs to me, it's just like I think it's great beats,
and then when her collaborating, she would just have great
beats and be like, Yo, make some hooks for me,
do some shit that I like. Like even it's a
song on how I'm called Shanghai. I'm on the song.
It's me saying roll up on you and all this
other shit on the actual record. So she was just like,
go go hook crazy for me, and then I just
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went hook crazy and it turned out to being whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Incredible, Sexy Lady or Sexy Kenna.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
Oh my god, i' mna have to go Sexy Kenna
just because I knew Sexy Lady was a hit. And
like y'all got to like go back into them la
days like Nigga, Like I was literally like wearing a chinchilla.
My man, my manager at the time, was the club
promoter at the Hottest Club or whatever I think it
was called like fuck Mondays or something like that, shout
out to TK and all them or whatever, and I
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used to go in the club. They used to sneak
the bottles in. We would go to Rouse some by
a bunch of bottles before we went to the club,
and my manager at the time was the promoter, so
he would set me up at the table next to
DJ Echo and they would bring the bottles out and
I would wear like a full limp chinchilla in the
middle of like summer or whatever in La, just wilding
out performing my song Sexy Lady. And then from there
it just blew to this phenomenon Sexy can I. I
(18:05):
actually hated Sexy Ken I stoles P was supposed to
be on Sexy Kenny before me. Remember, ray J was
signing a cotch and the record be in Shadow was
doing all the radio shit for the epic or whatever
at the time, So styles P was supposed to be
on that. And I'm glad that that styles P wasn't
on Sexy Can Out. That seems like a weird choice,
much less.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It, but stoles rapping sexy to the hate, I'm like yo.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
So when they presented me the record, Charlie Walker at
the time, who like, fucking is my guy? This niggas
like five two looks like Zulander. He was the fucking
president of Epic Records at the time, and he was like, Yo,
you need to do this record for ray J. And
I'm like, I'm just coming off of Sexy Lady and
I wanted to go to my song the Business with
the girl cash is sinking the Hook and I'm like, nah,
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I want to go to this song. He's like, no,
You're gonna do this is gonna be your biggest record.
He like, what is it going to take for you
to do this record? I'm like, gott to buy me
a chain? He like, I'm like yeah. I called Jason
and Beverly Hills and I put him on the phone
with Charlie Walker. I'm like, yo, I want an Epic
Records chain, like you gotta make it. He made the chain.
It probably came out my budget, you know what I'm saying.
He got me the chain and I never forgetted me.
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Billy J. Cap One, we walked from the Lowe's Hotel
to what Willie's in Miami and we just threw bars
around while we was doing it, just talking shit with
my brothers and threw bars around. We wrote. I wrote
all my parts with them, probably on that walk. I
laid my part at Circle House where I still work
at today. That's how crazy this shit coming for Circle.
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And then from there it leads us to the epic
studio session with me, ray J, the girl Casha, and
Tierra Marie. I didn't know it was Tierra Marie at
the time. So like, ray J comes in the studio,
I think we're at a fucking we're at a studio.
We're a childie in La And this when he just
did his Vivid deal for the Kim Kardashian tape and
he was on this porn star shit. So the nigga
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came in. He like, hey, yo, bird, I don't want
to disrespect your lady, but you mind if I put
these on the TV.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I'm like these.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
The nigga put out all Vivid DVDs, a porn and
shit like that. So now we're in a session. He
got a gun, allegedly he had a gut a strap
on the table. It's nothing but white women porno playing
on this big screen inside the studio and we're finishing
the song Sexy Canon. So we're in there and like
there's a girl that's like talking so bad about ray J,
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Like you trash nigga, you get your weak ass out
of here, and I'm like, who.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Is this girl disrespecting J Like through that, I ain't
know it. Tierra Marie at the time like he ain't
cooked at me.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I'm like, yo.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
The nigga goes in the booth, he like, I gotta
hit this last line. He's like getting dungeons in some
fun and he like, nah, it's my Stevie.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
She like, get your Stevie from there.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
We delivered the record, and shit that shit shot up
to like fucking I think it peaked at number two
on the Hot one hundred or whatever. And it's like,
why this ray J and Young Bird had this record
that all these white people.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Like, I mean, yeah, that fucking melody is.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I went.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I went to jail on the video set of the
video for what the first shot of the day we
in Miami. I'm smoking a blunt. Nigga's down to like
a roach. I throw the blunt out of the fucking
ship and the police that was one set to protect
us came, picked up the roach and took me to jail.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Saquilo Meal bailed me out of jail.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I can't make this ship up, bro, Like, yeah, bro.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
I knew I should have known the record was going down,
and when came that is your greatest record?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Kidding, don't getting no great sold on. Let's slow down
for second. I got to sat number memorized.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
No. Ray J and Shaq had a business deal and
I think he was the investor on ray J's project
at the time.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Okay, yeah, and he was.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
A police officer in Miami. Bro Nigga came and bailed
me out of jail. Come on, little man, and I
back on set twelve hours later, and it's like I never.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Went to jail. It's sexy, can die fucking Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
So I guess Kim has a type then, because I'd
heard at every Kanye session all he would have was
just porno on the whole time, like it would be,
it would be, it's not that horny assistance in pr
coming back to the Deaf Jam office like shell shocks, Like, yeah,
we went to the studio and it was just hardcore
porn playing the entire time.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
It's like, Bro is different.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Bro, that's a difference, Apple Horny. Where do we begin
with the mob deep problem? Oh man, I'm ready to
shed it, dear.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's a really good project.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
It was.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I was so happy when I put them on, played
it like they did. They did it right.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
It feels like this is not you know, Demaris, I
can never say the word postumus, posthumous, posthumous. Yeah, it's
not a possum album. It really feels like Havoc, Prodigy
and Alchemists put out an album in twenty twenty five. Absolutely,
it feels like an evolution of Mob Deep in the
most beautiful way ever. There's not a fucking skip on it.
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Prodigy is rapping at the highest level of Prodigy, which
is saying something Havoc sounds incredible. I don't know what
to say more about what this Mob Deep album is.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
What is it about twenty five where like we're seeing
you know, Mob Deep and mass Appeal.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, Like, what is it? Like?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Look, what's going on mass Appeal is is?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I mean, I know people are obviously talking about Mass
Appeal and everything that they're doing, but I still think
we need to champion them even more. Everything that Peter
Nas and the whole staff over there. Shit, Anthony, I'm
sure just being Nas manager is heavily involved with it too.
What you guys are doing is how hip hop should
age like This is the best example ever when they
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say no country for old men, Nope, hip hop is
aging perfectly because of what NAS and Mass Appeal are doing.
Everything is incredible. It's handled with care, it's not just
to do it for the fuck of it. They're all
moving together too, and they were all at Comic Conna.
Believe that was this weekend. Like seeing everyone move together
to to promote it. It's been the most beautiful thing
(24:17):
to watch hip hop age in this way. Absolutely like
NAS does not get enough credit for what this is
what elder statesmen are supposed to do, not only look
out for the younger, but also your peers and before you.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Make sure things are done right, done with taste, done
with attention to detail, curating things properly.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think, like you said, everything you said is correct.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
What Master Piell has been doing with all of the
projects that they've been a part of has been just
handled with so much like you said, care, and you
know they really, you know, want to make sure things
are done correctly and with class and still have that
style that you know hip hop is supposed to have.
So shout out the Mass Appeal because they've been getting
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it right.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah that shit, I mean just coming off the intro, Like,
I literally did not take the Mobdi album off over
the weekend like usually I take my break to catch
up on my pod shit and you know, audio books
and that shit. This was probably the first weekend in
a while that I literally did not stop listening to
one album for three days straight out the gate called
(25:21):
me corny, but shit against the world when Prodigy end
of that shit will see you on the other side,
I legitimately got fucking shows. Yeah, and even pore the
Hennessy of Like having that verse of like already pre
recorded for if I Pass Away was absolutely insane, and
(25:43):
then having Nas follow that shit up was I can't
even say enough about it. Hearing Ray Kwan and Ghost
face with them again was incredible the clips for the
first time, Like it just reminds you how important duos are.
And I know, like Ghost and Ray obviously are solo
and all that, but they're a duo clips duo, like
that ship is needed in hip hop. I feel like
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the big group shit cool, solo cool, but just two
fucking people that could rap well. I missed that shit
so much and this this nailed it, Like Alchemists, When
are we to have the conversation of I know he
gets his flowers, but the way we talk about Swizz, Tim, Kanye,
(26:28):
just you can make an argument that al is above
some of them at this point. This this run for
the last five six years, outside of what Al already accomplished,
what he is even when he posted his for your
Grammy consideration and you just looked at what he did
in the last fucking year and in the middle of
doing this, also doing his Eric about Due album, coming
off to Freddy gives shit, doing the Mob Deep like
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hit Boy album, rapping crazy on that, Like, is there
even a debate that Al is not a list hip
hop royalty a producer, that's not. No, but like it's
a different status at this point, Like he surpassed Tim
in my brain.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well, Tim does more than just hip hop like Tim,
you know, he does more than rap. So Tim is
a different he does AI. You're right about that.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But if we're doing it versus this year, you and
your fucking bullshit uh Korean AI girl versus Eric Abad,
do I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Go oh no, no for absolutely, But you know, Alchemist
is again, we talked about it. He's the soundtrack to
you know, New York hip hop. His sound is the
is the backdrop to New York City. As far as
I'm concerned, he's one of my favorite producers ever. And
what he continues to do and how he continues to
still find ways to be creative and stay motivated, stay
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inspired by this new generation in new sounds. It's dope
to watch, you know what I'm saying, him still have
fun with it and things like this. You know this,
this Mob Deep album, which is obviously very personal for him.
For him to still be able to capture that feeling
and keep that Mob Deep sound to a certain level
of where we know it to be, it just speaks
(28:09):
to als of his just you know, his dedication to
just always staying sharp and keeping keeping his craft at
a high level. But yeah, definitely Alchemists. I mean, I
don't know who argues Alchemist is his status in you know,
the best producer of all time category.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I guess I'm just saying now with the second run
he's had, I think it's undeniable. Like before, maybe there
was some conversation like, oh, you gotta look Swiss as
these huge number one records and with all these A lists,
I just think with this run. You can't say all
those names and not say Alchemists absolutely well, and not
that he gives a fuck, but yeah, but that makes
(28:45):
it even better. He don't do it for that. He
don't talk about the recognition of it. He just wants
the music and the craft to speaks for itself and
shout out to to have it. I mean, obviously you
know they called al the third member of Mob Deep
years and years ago, but to even you know, have
our part of that as well, I thought says a
lot about Havoc too, because I Have could have been like, no,
not this one. It is just I'm just doing this
(29:07):
me and p so to collaborate with him there, because
I think Have is one of the most underrated producers,
probably the most underrated drums and hip hop historys have
to me, but him also, you know, letting out be
a part of this, I think was says a lot
about Avoc absolutely regard but sorry for the nerd shit.
I just can't say enough.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
No, the album Mob Deep album definite available now if
you haven't heard it. I don't know what she was
listening to, but definitely go listen to that Mob Deep album.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
They also announced nas DJ premiere dropping Decemmer twenty twenty five.
They put out a record a couple of months ago.
I mean we've been hearing about this for over a year.
I can't wait for this, Like what a fucking year.
Yeah that we also get a nas in premier ship
at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I mean we've been talking about this for for years.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know, we get a big l album into as well.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, yeah, this mass appeal is listen, man, I love it, man.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I think you know they've they've carved a very specific
thing out for what they want to do and how
they want to do things, and they've been executing at
a high level.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
The quality has been incredible.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
So I'm here man, I'm looking forward to anything that
Max A Peel is doing.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
If I don't know, if there's some type of Grammy
or there's something, there should be some type of award.
I feel like for Label of the Year, some something.
They deserve that type of award. And even coming off
was it fifty years last year for hip Hop Anniversary
years two years ago, even Massive Heel being you know,
behind the celebration at Yankee Stadium, Like I don't ever
(30:35):
want to hear any old head complain that hip hop
was in a bad space, Like you look at what
they're doing with the genre that we love. Yeah, they're
still this side over here, absolutely, And if you're complaining,
you need to start praising fucking Mass Appeal and what
they've done and on the dock side and on the
content side.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I'm mass Appeal. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You guys are amazing what you do, Like, I appreciate
that shit. It's all podcasting lately is fucking hating. I
want to highlight how amazing a company is doing right now,
like for the spirit all that corny shit of hip hop, Like,
let's stop complaining about shit sometimes and highlight the people
that are doing it correctly.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
No, the dope shit is out there. I mean, you
just got to pay attention to it and highlight it
and support it. But it's it's definitely great hip hop
music still being produced, still being created. So yeah, you
just gotta support it when you see it. And again,
this Mob the Infinite album is one of them. And
looking forward to again, you know anything that mass Pill
is doing, because they are they just paying attention to
(31:37):
the to the details, man, just making sure everything is
done at a certain level. So you got to support anybody,
any creator that's paying attention to the small things and
the details of it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Nah, for sure, And I mean anything to get nads
outside too. I love that just Nas is just running
around New York. Now, yeah, this shit is great to see. Man,
they a lot looks incredible. Everybody looks young, like healthy
and shit.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Love it. But be the example man hip hop and
age gracefully.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, we do need to start by saying rest in
peace to one of the greatest musicians, singers, artists of
our time, DiAngelo. Yeah. This this was one of those
this like when artists die or celebrities die sometimes like
oh that sucks with this, this one like hurt, Like
I felt like I know him and I've never met him.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's this.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't even know where to begin on this one.
How many times in the last ten years of podcasting
I have we just discussed our Dmslow was one of
our favorite artists ever. Anytime we have an R and
B debate, first name we bringing up like he was
one of them. Absolutely, Like you can't compare his voice
or style to any other artist period, whether be pop,
R and B, and Neils or whatever he I mean,
(32:48):
he was a goat with you know, three albums that
he spread out in each generation an era that he
put an album out. He changed the face of music
during absolutely so yeah, I mean, uh, you know, condolences
to his family, definitely, to his his son, definitely, probably
rough rough year for him losing both parents, so surprise,
(33:11):
and condolences to his son as well as his daughter too.
But did you ever have the privilege of meeting D'Angelo?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Uh, he was in the studio one night. I forgot
whose session it was.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
He was in the studio, but we never I never
had the the privilege of having an actual one on
one conversation and kicking with him, kicking it with him
and giving him his flowers. But you know when you
say di'angelo, you know, for somebody growing up in the nineties,
we call it the Golden era of music R and B.
Especially D'Angelo was was the guy that you know, absolutely
(33:52):
changed the style. You know, you used to seeing musicians
look a certain way. You're not used to seeing musicians
with the talent level of it. The Angelo would have
corn rolls and you know, leather jackets and no shirt
like it was like, you know, he just changed the
style of what musicians look like, especially in the nineties,
(34:13):
Like he just came in and was you know, just
completely completely just changed the sound and the energy in
R and B soul. So many people that are an
extension of his talent and his musical genius. So receiving
that news of his past and was definitely heavy, like
you know, because the Angelou was never somebody that was
(34:35):
ever really in the headlines. So it's easy to kind
of like not think about the Angelo unless you like
hearing his music or like you you know, he happens
to be working on a new project. So when you know,
I forgot who hit the chat and it was like
the Angelo passed.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I was like I read that.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I was like, whoa you let me just reading that
was just like that's somebody he wasn't expecting to just
you know, read that passed away. But after privately, you know,
battling the illness and things like that, you know, the
family decided to keep that, you know, because he was again,
he was not Dangelo wasn't somebody that was ever really
in the headlines. It wasn't nothing negative.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It was just like if it wasn't about music. If
he wasn't performing, you didn't know what D'Angelo was doing.
And I think that's the way he wanted it.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
That's the way he you know, saw to his mystique
and his aura was was strictly about the music and
his talent. But so young, you know, to to to
pass away at fifty one, and his talent, man, you know,
obviously had to live on.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
His music lives on. But yeah, di'angelo was was one
of the greats. You know.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
For him to no longer be with us, you know,
so soon, it's just like it's just kind of like,
you know, put you in a fall because you can't
really like damn like that fast so soon, like, but
you know, one of the greatest. Remember listening to you know,
Lady and Brown Sugar being in high school, like he
was just a soundtrack if you was, like had a
(35:59):
crush on a girl, so you had to play D'Angelo.
You had to, like, you know, if it was a
talent show, it was like, who's gonna sing DeAngelo? Like
everybody came, Who's gonna try to do that? Everybody D'Angelo
Like he was just the coolest of the cool man,
so prayers and condolence. Is his family left an incredible legacy,
you know, just somebody just had so much musical integrity
(36:21):
and so much style and and and did it his way.
So yeah, man, it's it's a terrible loss for the
coaching and for music. But you know, his work is here,
His his music is here, the people that he influences here,
the artists that he worked would is still here.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So you know, his music and his art lives off
for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah. When I was working for Kevin Lyles, he was
working with D'Angelo I guess you could say managing Dangelo
at that time for the Black Messiah album and Dangel
that you know obviously never came to the office, never
was like, you know, part of any meetings or anything.
But when I say, anytime Kevin would play like a
song from that before it came out, like we would
(37:01):
all just gather around like the media room door like
children and just put our fucking ear to the side
to try to hear that shit. So like seeing that
project from an office standpoint completely come together was like
just an honor to be next to somebody that was
working with Dangelo.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Like I had nothing whatsoever to do.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I was just in the office. But that was like
one of the coolest times ever of like damn listening
to a d' angelo project right now, like nobody's heard,
but yeah, with me and Dixon were in Electric Lady,
which is a very famous studio in New York City
where you know Dangel recorded most of his work, So
aquariums from fuck Eric Bado, everyone you know recorded out
(37:41):
of there. We like didn't work for like an hour
and a half because we were just sitting there talk
like like Dangelo sat right here. Yeah, like we shouldn't
be allowed it. It's fun, like why are we why
are we working in here? This is nuts, Like that's
the same both incredible talent man. So yeah, rest in peace. Again.
I don't know if you have any Dangelo memories, not
(38:02):
like personal, We'll.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Just like you guys covered everything.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
He's a good job. Yeah, I did see.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And I'm not sure if this was a rumor confirmed
that prior to his death he was working on did
it say like six different projects or something he was
working on that wouldn't surprise me, So I mean hopefully
that means, you know, we're still going to get D'Angelo
music that he would want out not just some ship
that a label threw together with fucking old dat tapes.
(38:28):
But he was probably battling pancreatic cancer, so it wouldn't
surprise me if he was planning these projects for after
his death. So you know, I hope we get to
at least here though sometimes so absolutely, but yeah, I
don't really know how to turn turn them round Benzeno.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
This was just a.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Perfect example of sometimes.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
The angeloa Benzinos, because I know, I know that's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
It's a perfect example of like of like sometimes honoring
legends that have passed, like you should just sit out.
Sometimes we don't need to know what, like what influences
you had from him after his death, because I do
believe that Benzino was influenced by Dangelo. All of us were.
But I didn't need to see like exactly how Benzino
(39:20):
was influenced.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Okay, I cannot Okay, no, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I don't think Benzino was influenced by D'Angelo. I think
about Benzino's music nothing that I think. This is just
what call it, this is cloud chasing. I think that's
exactly what this is.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
He was doing this.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, he was come on, he was giving Dangelo his
flowers before.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah, that's yeah, he didn't just do that, but that
would be fucking nute.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
But oh he didn't just do this. No, it's still nuts.
So he had this in the vault.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Matter of fact, I think it's more disrespectful of doing
this when D'Angelo is alive so he can see it. Why,
but why he is gonna have to put that ship
somewhere on the screen. It's it's the untitled video when
Dangelo is is shirtless with that shadow. But Benzino took
that and put his own spin on it. Oh, this
is with him being shirtless.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
This is how does it feel? Yes, Okay, okay, listen, man,
I mean I stayed correctly. This was before this video
was out, before D'Angelo passed. Yes, and I stayed correct
And when maybe Benzino was influenced by No No, he.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Was suggesting, like you know, he posted it when Benzino passed, like, hey,
I've been influenced in my career by him. Here's an
example of how how it made him feel.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Okay, and I saw it.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I saw Dangelo's son post something of you know, it's
been a tough year.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
For having me in your thoughts and prayers. I'll definitely
need it, Like keep keep telling me that. Do you
think this made him feel any better? Like something some
tributes should just be like kept in the touch. I'm
sure he read Beyonce's post and was like, oh man,
that's that's really cool to know that my pops, you know,
influenced one of the biggest pop stars ever. Like those
types of things I think help in grief and death.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
If I saw this, like.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
That's gonna that's gonna delay like funeral plans, I'm gonna
be so angry.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I honestly, it probably gave him a laugh.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
It probably gave him like or him and his dad
may have laughed at that together before.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
That could have been a good memory.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, yeah, Like if that was out before his passion,
then yeah, I'm pretty sure D'Angelo laughed at that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I also thought it's also crazy to think that James
got the last recorded D'Angelo record that was put out
font James Samuel for the soundtrack for the Book of Clarence.
It was the Jason Angelo record I Want You For. Yeah,
so that's that was the last one that was put
(41:55):
out while he was alive, which is crazy to think but.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Should now out that would make sense though James working.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
With then, Oh absolutely, that makes it. Yeah, I'm sure
they had been talking about that for quite some time,
even before that, because I think James even went in
interviews and like Hope didn't even know about it, and
he just was sending him snippets and I think he
said Hove was on the treadmill sending him bars while
he was running on the treadmill because he had this
d Angelo record, like, yeah, I'll write for dan.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
You got a d Angelo record? Yeah, I'll get on
that for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
That's such a that's such a cool way for hip
hop to age, like a guy in his fifties on
a treadmill writing raps to a d' angelo record.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yea for a movie called Book of Clarence.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And then sending them his voice notes to like someone's iPhone.
That absolutely But yeah, I wish you guys wanted to
shame me so much when I thought Dan Angelo was
down the hall for me those months ago.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Oh yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, when you kept when you kept conveniently having to
walk to the bathroom, Yeah in the dungeon, that flux. Yeah,
but I that, But then when you told us that,
I understood it though, like I got it. Yeah, I
was like, no, listen, that's that's Dangelo.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
But it's like, there's a way to go about that still,
but I understood it's D'Angelo. Bro as a musician, as anybody,
a producer, as an artist, If you have the opportunity
to be in the same rooms, especially a studio, and
just talk to DiAngelo and pick his brain about music,
I mean, you definitely have to take that opportunity whenever
you can, because you don't know when you'll have that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Again, and because he had probably the most unique voice
in R and B history, and be outside of like
Marvion Gay, you know, when you're walking past a studio
and like, all right, that's Dangelo and I've never heard
that song, but what the fuck is going on in there?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
But yeah, Benzino, I guess we all we all grieve.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Different we do, that is very true. Or we do
grieve differently. Absolutely,
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