October 27, 2025 • 40 mins
This Week on New Rory & Mal, we debate if album variance is a cheat code, break down the NBA gambling scandal, and ask Miguel who he would like to collab with in the future
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm actually calling with more of a music industry question
for y'all.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Okay, So, as all of us.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Have probably known by now, Taylor Swift has released her
new album recently. Yes, And whenever Taylor releases a new album,
all of a sudden, the discourse of album variants comes
into play, even though most major artists release multiple different
variants of their albums and it's crickets on the timeline.
But then once Taylor does it, now there's this whole
(00:31):
discourse about how she's greedy and she hates her fans,
blah blah blah. And I did see on Twitter that
Russ was kind of defending her, and he made a
really good point to me where he said, you know,
if he decides to release merch or say new Rory
Mall releases merch and they have a hoodie, but they
have that hoodie and seven different colors, is that now,
(00:52):
all of a sudden greedy or is it just giving fans,
you know, variety and giving fans what they want. No
one's forcing them to buy seven hoodies. No one's forcing
anybody to buy ten different variants from Taylor Swift. So
what are your guys' opinions on album variants? Are they
a big deal? Is Twitter just blowing this up because
Taylor's reached a level of fame where everybody's just trying
(01:15):
to find a reason to tear her down. But yeah,
what's your guys' opinions on this?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thanks?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I mean, he brought off the Russ tweet and that's
what I was going to bring up as well.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
I agreed with what Russ said.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
If you have the ability to create a fan base
that will buy multiple products from you, I don't think
there's anything to condemn there, Like, if you have that
ability where they will be that diehard to spend their
money to feed your fan base that way, like.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
It's not feeding your fan base.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But I'm never going to get mad at Taylor Swift
being so good at creating a cult that they will
buy multiple versions of the same album if that's what
they want to do. I mean, this is still America, right,
they can do what they want with their money.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I don't think there's any I agree now, if you
want consumer if you want to fight it on the
basis of you feel like it's skewing numbers when you
release a deluxe, a deluxe deluxe and a deluxe deluxe.
If you feel like it's skewing numbers, you want to
argue that that's an argument that people have been having.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I get that, but.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Skewing numbers that that's only become well, let me not
say only become something recently, but it's heightened in social
media stand culture as of late. Of course, like once
fifty and Kanye battled it out, that started the whole
numbers talk for everything, but now it's to a whole
different level. Numbers don't matter to the world, Like, it
doesn't matter who cares if she manipulates the numbers there,
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like that doesn't affect anyone's life except for this label
in her.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's not well, that's not true.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I don't I don't think that that's what she's doing
or I don't care if that's what she's doing. But
that's not true. You yourself this and this wasn't numbers manipulation.
Your life changed because Tina Turner died before your album
came out and you were not able to to get
the number one R and B album, which you would
have had had Tina Turner not died, and.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
People streamed her music and she beat you. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Granted, Taylor's going number one anyway, But as far as
this period on the overall scale of large artists manipulating
things and releasing deluxe's deluxe' deluxe is where their album
now keeps going back up to number one, which may
keep somebody else from getting a number one on a
country chart or an R and B chart or a
Billboard spy.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So that does affect other people.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Like I said, I'm saying from the fan side, like
that's just become a stand Like, yeah, if it doesn't
affect anyone's life, if Taylor Swift is manipulating, now, yeah,
if I'm an artist and in my contract with a major,
I get a bump on an advance because if I
hit a number one or stipulations.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Like that, Yeah, I'm don't be fucking pissed.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I mean, I wasn't mad at Tina Turner, but but it.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Would have been nice to say, hey, I had number one.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But again, it also didn't affect anything about that album,
Like the album got the same amount of strings that
it would have had it been Yeah, of course I
think I ended up number three.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was two teen to turn around.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, how I get a number three when I should.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Have number one.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
But I mean, yeah, I wasn't really mad at that,
but I also am independent, Like there's certain milestones that
if I hit does it doesn't affect what my deal
will be.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, But to the.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Fans that talk about all this shit, like these numbers
don't affect any of you, Like I know, it's cool,
Like if you're a barb to be like, I'm happy
I can say Nicky has a number one, but if
NICKI has a number two, pause, the album is still
going to be the exact same to the consumer, like
nothing is going to change because of the numbers. But
Russ's point is, why the fuck would you be mad
at an artist that is utilizing their fan base. If
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y'all want to buy a bunch of shit, do it to.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Play Devil's advocate because I agree with Russ, but to
play Devil's advocate just to have a conversation. If the
fan base is young kids, which Taylor does have a
lot of base, then you could say that you're manipulating
a younger fan base to continue to spend money on
your stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Then I'm gonna get on my camera on Bill O'Reilly thing.
That's the parent's fault. If Amara Pompson says, I want
three versions of the same Taylor Swift album Omora, You're
getting one.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, you're getting one of them. Now.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I think there's a lot of Swifties that are adults
that have great jobs, and however they want to spend
their money as long as not harming anyone.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Who are we to judge anyone for that? We all
buy weird shit. I was just talk about buying pussy.
I'm like, yeah, but I mean, but me and you
have had We had an.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Me and you had a disagreement, uh that we ended
up cutting out of an episode. As far as when
I said you should start a Patreon, a personal Patreon,
and then we talked about our own Patreon that we have,
as far as like you were like, well, I feel
bad having fans pay for things, and I said and
I said the exact same thing to you, where I said,
that's their fucking choice to spend their money.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You're not holding a gun to their head.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You're like, I feel like I'm asking them for money,
and it's like no, You're providing something and either they
find it valuable or not valuable, and it's up to
them to spend their money on it.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I just view the consumer
thing as what they're like monthly overhead is and like
what we're asking Like all right, this month, we're asking
someone to pay for twenty dollars. Here, we're releasing merch
at this price. Oh, we also have live tickets on sale.
Like I think about those types of things because I
do care about our listeners, like.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
To just add more shit.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, but that's you weren't wrong and anything you were
saying it was like just more of a morality thing
of like damn, I like I don't do I want
to ask them to spend another ten dollars like I
know I should be.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And that's what you have morals.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's what the people are saying about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, but here's saying she has no morals.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
No, they're saying that she's not considering the.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Concert or you're just doing what most celebrities or stars do,
like people who are trying to find a way to Yeah,
you're trying to find a way to can please everybody,
but you want to try to please as many as
you can. So maybe you can't get this album, Maybe
you can't get this merch. Maybe you can't go to
this live show, but somebody can. Somebody can go to
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this live show. Yeah, somebody.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Different options of shit, they different options of.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Things that you can buy and support your artists or
you know, whoever it is. I think you're both right
that you're supporting, but I don't think it's something that
should be frowned upon.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I do get where that can kind of trip the
numbers and things like that, but somebody like Taylor Swift
that doesn't. She's Taylor Swift, bro. The numbers are going
to be the numbers, no matter if she has one
version of her album or seventeen versions of albums, the
numbers are going to be incredible. Like that's just what
it is.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, And back to another conversation we had when we
were talking about like the billboard change, like the bundling
rules with after what like Travis was doing and that
entire thing. I never saw anything wrong with that either.
I understand why Nikki was complaining about it because she
felt like she should have had the number one. I
get that, but I know artists up to Taylor Swift
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are getting fucked. They're getting manipulated by a label. You
have to find other strategies to manipulate a system that's
manipulating you. So yeah, of course I'm going to try
to bundle something. Of course I'm going to try to
sell different versions of this. I'm getting fucked over here anyways.
This system is not even designed to be an artist
friendly system. I have to find new ways to do
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this shit right to make Not to say Taylor Shope
needs more money, but you know, just in general, for
any artists, it's not. It's tricking a system that's tricking
the artists. That's why I was never mad when people
did bundles. Travis, Helly, you're a fucking great designer with
your merch You're a great artist. Like, yeah, work the
system that's trying to work, y'all already, right, I'm never mad.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
At that type of shit. No, you can't be mad at.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So that's why I even love that, like people care
about vinyls again, just because I know that's gonna help
so many artists because people will stream their music but
also want to buy a collectible of the same shit.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Like, to me, that's that's cool for an artist.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's part of being a consumer, part of being a
fan of He created the artists, And I get how
some people like to have that argument about what it
does for the numbers and things like that, and they
feel like the artist is trying to play the numbers game.
And again, even if that is what the artist is
trying to do, what is the problem. You're in the
music business. You're in the business of selling music, selling products.
So I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And let's not act like fans and consumers aren't like
I mean, at least the nerdier ones like myself aren't
like collectors. Like if I'm a hard core tailor Swift fan,
you mean you're not.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Of course, of course.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I'm swiftly Okay, I'm just checking. I'm part of this.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
About I'm part of the six million tales.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, you're about to get the Swifty car revoked real quick.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
If I'm a hard core tailor Swift fan and I
collect shit, I'm like, yeah, I'll buy three different color
versions because I like to collect things.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
No.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Now, if you're manipulating shit with whether it be botser
behind the scenes like with other that that's a whole
separate conversation. But direct to consumer with a product. Wrong
with that shit, not at all sell it all feel No,
it's interesting too that like rappers kind of get the
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the rap no pun intended that they're the ones that
are standoffish or won't work with each other. R and
B artists are that times ten, Like if you go
with the Coles, Kendricks, Drake, Big Sean wile A like
that class, they've all collaborated with each other. Now if
you would go with your class, which I you frank
weekend party next door, Like yeah, R and B people
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even with their graduating class and never really fuck with
each other like that.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
It's it's a trip. It's a trip. I was just
having this conversation too. I was we were talking about
the difference in support also because I can hear that
class in the music and you know, and it's like
I can look at it and be like, damn, like
I did my thing, we did our thing, like it's
it's in like I can hear how my approach is
(10:59):
like really actually kind of affected, and it's it's such
a it's a dope thing to see and to see
everyone else, you know, see everyone else's influence and the
shaping of the sound. I mean, we started alternative R
and B. There was no category for that, you know,
it was like we did that.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yeah, there was no blog R and B. Yeah, we
were the ones R it was.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
And it is a shame to kind of to think
that we actually never really did.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
And I don't know what that what that's about.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I think about historically, you know, when when soul music
was in Detroit, when it was Philly or Detroit, there
was a hub of in a scene where writers and
artists were working together. Stevie's all over all the motime, right,
you know what I mean. Marvin Gaye was in you know,
he was in a band, he was they were all
(11:47):
working together, travel together, on tours together.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I still don't have an answer for why it doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I mean, I think with a lot of them, they
had similar producers in common, so they would be in sessions.
Everyone was kind of running through the same system. Where
that's different now and I think rappers also, it's a
bit easier if we both walk into a studio and
agree on a beat, something can easily come out of that.
Where I feel like some of the greater R and
(12:18):
B artists are so in tune with their production like
they are producers as well. That can get weird, Like
if you and Frank walk into a studio, you're both
going to have different directions as far as the production goes.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
The approach are the son the sonic.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Whereas you know, a loop beat with a fucking soul
sample cole And while I.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Would be like this is great, let's go yeah, like Banger,
it is going to go crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So I think maybe that's where it could derive from,
just on the production side, because everyone's so hands on.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Especially before too we're talking about songwriters. Yeah, SI crafters
like I write and produced, like I've produced it or
real music. I wrote that song, you know what I mean.
I wrote short thing and they're not. It's not a verse. Also,
it's also the approach like a crazy verse from an
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MC is gonna be like can kill the whole song.
It's like, man like, let me think like Nicki Minaj's
verse on Monster, like her verse won the song.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
You know what I'm saying, two of the greatest rappers
of all time on that.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
But it's like a verse can go crazy for MC,
but for singing for I don't know how you know,
I think it can stick I think now it's evolved
where we could approach it that way, and I think
it'd be interesting to explore it like that. But I
know in the past it was about we're singer songwriters,
you know, and we're producers, so it was about the song.
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It was the whole thing and artists. So I wonder
if there's something interesting there, though, you know, it's like,
what if we just approach it as versus you know, have.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
You ever had to meet any of your idols or
people that you thought toone like disappointed and like heartbroken,
like oh this person is not really a good person,
or like not what I thought?
Speaker 6 (14:06):
It would be definitely ones where I wish we would
have got on like it, like we could have found
some like Okay, I funk with you, like I'm a personal.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Uh who did I not?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Really?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
You know what, Honestly, I would almost say I would
wager that more it was like me that.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Was it was was like, oh, am I the problem.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
This was the eight years of disappearing. I needed to go.
I was the problem.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I am.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Trauma.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
So we'll tell you that you felt that way that
you look back like you know what, damn, I'm like
I fucked that up.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
No, No, I'll say this. I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
This is when I like, I wish it would and
it wasn't because anyone was was when we were doing
when I was doing Kalaudoscope Dream, I was here at
at Platinum Sound. I was over there for a long
time when Platinum Sound was over on in Midtown.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Shout out to Jerry One, Jerry One.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I mean what happened in that studio in terms of
just like the amount of fun and the songs and
all that was incredible. And I was we have finally
had momentum and a Dorn was was having a moment
and we were finishing the album. I got to work
with Pharrell finally, and Farrell came and he spent some
days with me, and and I still look at those
(15:30):
sessions and I'm like, man, I really wish we would
have found one. What we did doesn't fit the album.
It doesn't it like it would have never worked on
Kaleidoscope Dream. And I'm I'm I'm clear about that, But
also like I just wish I would have locked in
with him more because he's a hero of mine, you know,
And and I always like, just like damn, I wish.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Like was it me?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Like, was I just like too? And I was really
adamant too. I was like I knew what I wanted it, yeah,
and I was really sure.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
It's like it's a.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Bad thing because that has to be commendable and respectable,
especially for Pharrell to see a young artist so fixed
on who they are and what they want and the
sound that they want to create. I know what you mean,
because it's like, this is for real.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
But I will say this though he did he had.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
I mean, look, he's a visionary and he came in
and we cut this record that is a banger. I
don't even I can't find like the hard drive that
has the session on and it's like it's somewhere in
storage somewhere, but but it it's very much feels like
a Prince record. But if I were, if I but
me still, you know, but he came in with such
(16:43):
a vision and I don't think I was ready for that.
I was like, how to clear out a clear different vision?
And I've seen in subsequent interviews of his they've asked
some questions like, I mean, you could tell I've thought
about this.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I really thought about this.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, this has been halting you bro, it's been on
my bout like man, like why like why didn't we
I know it was all that, like damn didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
If Kladscope Dreams wasn't a classic, I'd say this should
keep you. But but would that have worked maybe more
on Wild because I mean that was kind of the
stereotypical fan perspective of like, all right, is he about
to do his prints thing?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
He's going yeah, he's going no No.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
I think on the contrary, this was this well, I
don't even know where this record would have fit, but
I do think it would have probably at the time
it probably would have hit. I think he was right, yeah,
And I think based on what what fans wanted, what's
known about me and my taste and who I'm drawing
(17:49):
from my inspirations and whatnot, it would have made a
lot of sense. And the record was a great record,
but I just wanted to go a different direction.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And he spoke about it in interviews as well that
No talked about other He's talked about other situations where
he's been in a room and he's like, you know,
not everybody's ready to hear my vision, and the ones
that do have listened, you know, he's like, more often
than not have had great moments with him, and he didn't.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
He's talking about you watch YouTube, that's about me. This
is about me.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No, No, he definitely wasn't.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
And I think it might have been an interview before,
even before I worked with him. But but I think
he was like referring to like maybe Justin or something
at the time, and he's like, you know, not every
time I go in and they're ready to hear what
I what I'm seeing, but when they trust me to
just do the thing, he's like, that's where that's how
we get this and that. And I think he was
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talking about Justin and whatnot. He might have mentioned Kendrick
or something in it, but that is one of those
ones where it wasn't either of us. It just didn't happen,
And I always look at it and I'm like, man,
would have it again.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I think that speaks more to greatness and your vision.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Like for example, we definitely we were talking when Ji
D dropped his record with.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Eminem and was like, this isn't on the album.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And it made me go, oh, this JID album has
to be great. That if he's so stuck on his
vision that this eminem or is not what I'm trying
to do with a project.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
It made me more excited about it.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Beuse to just leave off of eminem versus your album
is like vision the same way of like, damn, I
really about to just leave a Farel session and be like,
nah the fuck.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
We did a couple other ones, and I've been meaning
to hit him because he was telling me earlier that
I should be leaning into just being Latino and like
he's like, bro, who can do it? He was definitely
like he was coaching, you know. He was like, and
I wasn't in the place at the time. Also, I
didn't feel like I had done the work to feel
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doing music in Spanish felt organic. It's just it was
too too big of a leap at the time. But
he's like, he's like a whole I mean maybe ten
years actually, because after my sessions for Kaleidoscope Dream, we
worked in like Nashville during like Bonnu or some shit
like that, and he was like, bro, you gotta get
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on your Latin shit hard, and he cooked up some
some like you know those rhythms, and I just wasn't
ready for it. But then fast forward eight years later,
just on this album. Kyle was like, I'm definitely intro am.
I yeah, yeah, I'm in it and I've been waiting
(20:46):
for it for the time. When I see him and
I'm like, you were right, bro, I just wasn't ready. Yeah, yeah,
because this album definitely got.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
You still have that loaded up in your NPC, the
shit you cooked up and that, I'm like, where is that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Storage up hard drive? And we're gonna get into that.
We're gonna get into the snitches and the rats everybody
else what happened or you just open your phone.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I've seen you guys send something to the group chat
about the NBA.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
But I don't know. I'm just a girl. I don't
know what's going.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
On the NBA. It's huh, no bets allowed. It's about
to be some shit.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
No bets allowed.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
BET's a lot, I'm telling you. But I always listen. Bro.
When they made gambling legal, and they even started having
like you know, the lo loos with the logos on
like uniforms, and you know, if you're watching the game
of TV, they even have a way they could put
the logo on the court that's not really on the court.
Only people on TV could. And they started doing shit
(21:45):
like that. You gotta know that the guys behind these
things are in business together. You have to, which means
now the people that are part of it, they're gonna
be approached for conversations and opportunities to make a little
extra money on the side. If you know, if you're
a coach, if you're a player, if you can make
an extra six seven million that nobody knows about, you're
(22:08):
probably gonna take that opportunity for sure. And lo and behold,
today we open our phone. But this is just a
trickle now, because you remember, Gilbert Arenas was arrested a
few months ago by the FBI for running illegal poker
games and things like that. Now, I'm not calling gil
with a snitch, but he did. He did say out
his mouth he didn't snitch yet, but I will. Those
(22:30):
are Gilbert Wards. If Josh maybe can pull it up.
I believe verb beata. He said, I didn't snitch yet,
I didn't cooperate, but I will. So now today we
have Damon Jones being arrested. We have Chauncey Billups being arrested.
We have Terry Roseah whose situation is separate, but it's
still a gambling arrest as well.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
No man, how many Gilbert was at those court steps,
smiling ear to ear when he left his dedctment.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, because Gilbert is probably like, listen, I'm not the
big fish. I know what y'all want here, y'all want,
y'all want the big guy. That's not me. Yeah. I
was gambling and I was running poker games. You know,
it wasn't I owned the house. But you know, and
this is what Gilbert said, he won't be worried. Good
luck in court. I'm pretty sure I ain't going to
be there when it start, when it's starting to go,
because yeah, I'm snitching. No Gilber's words.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
They had said this. This investigation has been going on
for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, so Gilbert got rested, arrested. It was more investigation.
He put it on hisself. He said, I'm not gonna
be there. Pull it up again, Josh, I don't want
to misquote the great Gilbert Arenas. He said, I'm not
going to be there when it starts going, when it's
starting to go, because I'm snitching. See what he said.
I'm pretty sure I ain't gonna be there when it's
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starting to go. It's going. Rory we got we got
the text the messages today cause yeah, I'm snitching. You
can see that at the nine minute twenty second market
you want, I Am not call and Gilbert Arena to snitch.
Gilbert Arena said himself that he is snitching. Yes, there
you go.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Do you think that's why the FBI called this operation
nothing but Net?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Have you ever seen Gilbert shot? Have you havent seen good?
You ever seen Gillis shoot the ball? Pure shooter barely
touched the rim. Nothing but operation nothing but Net has commissed.
And you niggas is going to jail. H Adam Silver.
I'm pretty sure they're gonna knocking on your doors soon.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Of course, the one year that it might be the
next turn to finally go all the way, I think
we're gonna get a lockout, not by the players, by
the FBI.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
In a month like this could get really, really really bad.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
For Oh, it's gonna get so current NBA player, current
inform ANBA players and coaches, Chauncey Phillips, Ter Rose, and
Dami Jones have been arrested. This was an illegal gambling
and sports rigging operation that spanned years, so this ain't
something that they just started investigating, and you know they've
been looking at this.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Gilbert just connected the dots.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, he was the first tip that they grabbed that
we know of. It was the public figure that we
would know years across eleven states. In total, thirty individuals
have been arrested, thirteen mafia members. The case evolves like
Coster and Nostra. Charges included legal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion.
There are two separate indictments. The definition leverage that connections
(25:23):
to place prop bets based on confidential insider information, whining
tens of thousands of dollars per bet.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
There was there was another article and it wasn't like
the greatest source, but one of the Damon Jones they
say in the paperwork was talking about Lebron's injury, Like
Lebron is not that Lebron did anything wrong, but apparently
he's in the paperwork that Damon Jones was just letting
letting the mob know about fucking Lebron's ankle.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, that's inside information points. It's all all this shit,
and then you go defbias. The NBA player Terry Rose
to the defendants that he was going to leave a
game early on March twenty third, twenty twenty three with
an injury. The defendants then placed more than two hundred
thousand of wages on the unders for his prop bets,
with Rose leaving the game after nine minutes. Those bets
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paid out tens of thousands of thousand Profits and their defendants,
and Rose counted the money at his house. Dug, did
you just a fucking movie? Did you see where Scorsese?
Scorsese is fucking having a ball reading all of this. Yeah,
get the red camera, Scorsese, because this is a movie.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Charlotte, Hornets, Trailblazers, Lakers, and Rafters are all involved with it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I mean, did you see that?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Listen, man, I'm not trying to start nothing, but I
will say the other day during the Lakers game, Lebron
looked very very I don't know. He had this look
on his face the whole time on the bench. He
wasn't even looking at the game. He was looking straight
into the crowd.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
At the Bananos.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, like, I don't know, man, I think that you
know a lot of players know what's happening, what's going
on behind the scenes. We joking and it haven't last worried,
but this is gonna get I mean it already is,
but this is gonna get very short.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Oh yeah no, this is everyone's fucking.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, this is gonna get serious.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
And I mean we was joking about the Gilbert thing.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But if you don't think Chauncey Billups and the rest
of them are gonna have the same mentality, like these
aren't like street guys that have a code of like
they're gonna tell everything.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
This is gonna continue to get worse.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, more names gonna come out, but I mean, shit
down to.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Fuck the points shaven.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Chauncey Billips was involved with the mob with the shuffling
machines that red cards in the deck and then they
relay the information to an off site operator that they
called the quarterback, then sent the information to someone at
the table. This is why I never like fucked with
gambling spots like that, like the underground gambling spots in
the house, Like there's no way this is not rigged.
(27:59):
Some HM already at the casino. You're fucked, but there's
no regulation here. Think I trusted the mob.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
This is interesting because this is all right, this is
the NBA we're talking about. I feel like it's easier
to kind of throw games in the other sports, like
say baseball, Like it's easy for me as a hitter
to go up there and just keep whipping that fucking
like bad pitches. Yeah, like on the basketball court, like
if I'm just turning that shit over, dribbling that ship
(28:28):
off my foot, like it's like, all right, bro, like
what the fuck is he doing? And they pulled up
roses highlights or what they think was one game that
he was throwing that was the most time, That was
the most That's what I'm saying in basketball. It's a
little more noticeable in baseball. If I'm a hitter and
I'm just like, Yo, I'm gonna go O for for tonight,
that's that's hard for y'all to pick up on. I
(28:50):
can just be up there just swinging that ship and
it's like, well, I'm just having an off night. I'm
just not hitting the ball. But look at rose he
throwing that ship. Look look at this. Watch this, watch
This one is crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
This is the one he starts running back before he
even threw the past.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yo, crying, look at this. That pass was crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
But I feel like you could have at least purposely
missed a lot of shots and it wouldn't look that crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
This is just blatant.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, just take me through there, take me through there.
So much money? He like, man, fuck this basketball.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
The hilarious part was to come off.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
The announcers were like, rough night for Terry, and he
times like, this is the most obvious thing ever.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, this is this is gonna get bad. Obviously, the
FBI is still investigating. We just got to wait and
see who else. Man, I think more more players are
gonna be called into that room, and more players are
going to cooperate. Yeah, but this is gonna get bad again.
This doesn't surprise me once Gambler became legal. I mean,
(29:57):
one of the first things I thought was all right,
so now you know, it's just more opportunity for players
to throw games, be involved in it. You know, me
and my Fridget joke all the time, Like I got
a lot of friends that played in the NBA. They're like, Yo,
why don't you just call him and tell them not
to get six rebounds tonight. I'm like, yo, y'all joking,
But that's how easy and simple it really is. Yeah,
(30:19):
Like yo, bro listen, man, just god, just don't get
six rebounds tonight. You can do everything else. Don't grab
six boards. I'm gonna get this quick, ten twenty K.
We're good. This is the result of things like that. Yeah,
and you know, unfortunately now a lot of players are
gonna have to answer to this, a lot of you know, coaches, gms.
I'm sure it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot
(30:40):
of people like that we start seeing getting arrested and
being questioned behind this whole thing. I think this is
just just the start of it.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I mean, but even with that, like I assume how
they I'm just guessing how they even got involved with
the mob. Was they had some type of gambling that
with them, Because to your point, why wouldn't because gambling
is legal, now, why wouldn't you just go off the
parlays that you could easily control rather than fucking with
the mob to do this shit?
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Yeah? Yeah, like that, that to me is the craziest part.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Like they must have been so deep in debt that
they were doing it this way, because we all assume
that there's plenty of players that do exactly what you
just said. But but it's through legal, even though that's illegal,
legal gambling off those parlays.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But this, like how you how.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
You even get involved with this way if you're Chauncey Billups,
like as a coach.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You know, you take a guy out if you see
he's approaching.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You know what I'm saying to even get in in
bed with or owe people this type of stuff, like
throwing games because you owe.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Under from underground gambling spots. Man, Yeah, y'all gambling at
the house. You know I might have I might have
lost a million, Like shit, I need some of that back.
All right, Well tamorrow go out there. Don't let him.
Don't let your point guard score twenty tomorrow, pull him
out the game. It's that simple. It starts going trickling
into that, and now you in bed with them. Now
(31:59):
it's like, all right, now you're part of it. Yeah,
and here comes death beyond investigation. Years later you're thinking
it was just over, But it was just that one time.
Nah man, All of this is gonna be in coverage.
So that's what I'm saying. This is something that I
think is gonna a lot of players. I was, I'm
not gonna lie seeing Chauncey Billups involved with this kind
of like I was surprised to see his name. Yeah,
he was. He wasn't somebody I expected to be involved
(32:23):
at all. But here, here we are. Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Lot of NBA players stepping on their phones and erasing
their eye class stepping as fuck?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
What else? Gilbert? You know what other versus Gilbert? I mean,
Gilbert might be in the booth right now, you know,
giving them a sixteen let them know what happened? Was
really going on? Listen again, this is Gilbert saying he
would do this. I'm just I'm not putting this on
Gilbert adas he said he was he would snitch, not me.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I mean, what was the Can we look up the
referee that was caught?
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Tim? Tim Donnie if I remember correct?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
What's his twitter? Didn't he let's see what he's talking
about today?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Didn't he say in an interview that he believed every
single ref was involved with some form of gambling or
point shaving decisions, every ref in the NBA, and that
we just skipped over that. Listen, man, every reef in
the NBA, which is I mean, that's kind of nuts,
but I'm sure it's a large majority. No, he was
(33:26):
straight up saying that they they're all involved, Like he's
not the only one here.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, he's not. He's definitely not the only one. You
can't be the only one in a in a in
a in a in a league that big, with that
many games on however many nights, you're not the only one. Bro. Yeah,
there's no way. Definitely not the only one. No, he
Steve Javi. Look, they got a picture of Steve Javi,
(33:54):
but that's not But listen, man, we go back to
You got players like Chris Paul who say, every time
Steve Javi ref one of his games, Scott Foster, I'm sorry,
Scott Foster. I didn't put that on Steve Javis.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Scott Foster, Chris Paul said that.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
He said, Yo, every time he rests one of my games,
it's like I get thrown out. I get this, I
get that.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, so you gotta.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
It sounds crazy, but even things like that affect a bet.
A player getting ejected, picking up two quick technical fouls,
quicking up picking up quick personal files, got to sit
out the whole first half, Like we sit here and
we just watched games and thinking like, yo, the ref
just made a bad call. Okay, but why did he
make that bad call? That could be a loaded call,
(34:39):
It could be that could be a million dollar bad
call he just made. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
We don't think about it like that, but essentially that's
exactly what all of this is gonna end up showing us,
Like little things like that that kind of dictate the
game and affect the game in whatever way. While it
looks little to us, a turnover doesn't look that bad
to us in the third quarter. Yeah, but at the
(35:00):
end of the night, somebody had a bet placed on
that in the over and under and the score and
the money line and things like. All of those little
things add up to a bigger picture, and this is
part of the bigger picture. Maul.
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Speaker 4 (35:58):
And I mean, how far does the rabbit hole go
with the gambling thing, because outside of like the regular
sports parlay stuff that they got sights that say how
many times Taylor Swift is gonna be shown in the
booth at a Kansas City Chiefs game, Like there's an
over under for that. And at what point if you
are the cameraman at an NFL game, man.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Like when the producers sees all the screens and was
just like one more time, man, listen was it six times?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Listen? We're joking and talking in the second quarter. Listen,
we joking and talking shit.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
But that's real.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
That's real because they come up with the craziest fucking
things on those sites.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
That's real.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
As far as that goes.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Something like that, I'm not listening. That doesn't affect the
game on the field. So something like that is like,
you know, that's just like the cameraman, you know, trying
to just make a little whatever on field. Anything that
interrupts the game or disturbs the game, like the integrity
of the game. Back to your question of should you
be kicked out of the Hall of Fame if you're in,
(36:59):
I think so. I think if you've done anything to
jeopardize the integrity of the sport, to jeopardize the outcome
of any game, whether you were involved in it or not,
just the sport, I think that that is something to
look at and be like, you might that might get
you kicked out of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I agree with you, But I do feel like Pete
Road should be in the Hall of Fame because he
bet on himself. Like he wasn't betting against the Reds
where he could really jeopardize. He was confidence team was
like putting this down. So to me, that's fine. If
you want to bet on yourself, I think that should
be cool.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
But against yourself, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Bet on yourself to perform or underperform.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
On the Reds to win, which to me is is cool.
I mean, I get it. You can't have a gray
area there. If you gamble, you gamble, you out.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
But with gambling being legal now and those rules being
a little gray, I think only if you bet to
affect the game negatively, Like if you right, if you're
throwing a game, yeah, get the fuck out of the
whole fame, But where do you draw the line with
the steroid thing, because I think Barry Bond should be
in there. M h to me, that's affecting the game.
(38:12):
Yeah no, but it's still you still should be in
the whole thing. I don't think there's just be an
asterisk there.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
But it has to be an asterisk because the playing
field is not. Even if I'm on steroids and my
opponents aren't, I already have an advantage. So that's where
it kind of gets tricky because it's like, all right,
if we can all take steroids, thin, cool, because it
evens the field. But now, when you get in the field,
(38:41):
in the in the territory of okay that the playing
field is I have an advantage over all of my opponents.
That's cheating.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah, but I think everyone's taking steroids at that time.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And I'm not gonna say everybody, but I do think
a lot of people will. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And I only bring up that point to this gambling
ship because if we end up finding out that for
the past twenty years, every player has been involved and
I don't think anyone should be kicked out the whole fame.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Everyone's doing it. That was the game at that time.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I know one thing. They better not put Michael, Jeffrey
Jordan and none of them fucking investigations. I don't want
to hear ship about Mike. Don't tell me.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Mike was Mike doesn't. Everyone knows Mike doesn't gamble.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Huh. He didn't serve what he served his time.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
He did six months with the White Side.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Mike was not gambling on no fucking NBA game. Who
He's gambling to win? Because that's all he did this thing.
Everyone knows that so he did was win. Everyone knows
that Mike is a degenerate gambler. But Mike is also
the biggest competitor of all time. Mike would never ever
bet against himself.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
No, I think Mike bet. I think Mike bet on
himself for sure. There's no way he did not put
money down on his own games, for sure.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I don't think so. Man. I think he's such a
big fit. That would have came out. We would have
been found out about that.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, that that Why do you think that he No?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
No, no, that was his number. No, no, no, that was That
was the conspiracy I'm talking about, able to have come
out as a fact that he bet on bulls games
already by now, he's been retired for almost thirty years.
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm actually calling with more of a music industry question
for y'all.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Okay, So, as all of us.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Have probably known by now, Taylor Swift has released her
new album recently. Yes, And whenever Taylor releases a new album,
all of a sudden, the discourse of album variants comes
into play, even though most major artists release multiple different
variants of their albums and it's crickets on the timeline.
But then once Taylor does it, now there's this whole
(00:31):
discourse about how she's greedy and she hates her fans,
blah blah blah. And I did see on Twitter that
Russ was kind of defending her, and he made a
really good point to me where he said, you know,
if he decides to release merch or say new Rory
Mall releases merch and they have a hoodie, but they
have that hoodie and seven different colors, is that now,
(00:52):
all of a sudden greedy or is it just giving fans,
you know, variety and giving fans what they want. No
one's forcing them to buy seven hoodies. No one's forcing
anybody to buy ten different variants from Taylor Swift. So
what are your guys' opinions on album variants? Are they
a big deal? Is Twitter just blowing this up because
Taylor's reached a level of fame where everybody's just trying
(01:15):
to find a reason to tear her down. But yeah,
what's your guys' opinions on this?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thanks?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I mean, he brought off the Russ tweet and that's
what I was going to bring up as well.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
I agreed with what Russ said.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
If you have the ability to create a fan base
that will buy multiple products from you, I don't think
there's anything to condemn there, Like, if you have that
ability where they will be that diehard to spend their
money to feed your fan base that way, like.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
It's not feeding your fan base.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But I'm never going to get mad at Taylor Swift
being so good at creating a cult that they will
buy multiple versions of the same album if that's what
they want to do. I mean, this is still America, right,
they can do what they want with their money.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I don't think there's any I agree now, if you
want consumer if you want to fight it on the
basis of you feel like it's skewing numbers when you
release a deluxe, a deluxe deluxe and a deluxe deluxe.
If you feel like it's skewing numbers, you want to
argue that that's an argument that people have been having.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I get that, but.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Skewing numbers that that's only become well, let me not
say only become something recently, but it's heightened in social
media stand culture as of late. Of course, like once
fifty and Kanye battled it out, that started the whole
numbers talk for everything, but now it's to a whole
different level. Numbers don't matter to the world, Like, it
doesn't matter who cares if she manipulates the numbers there,
(02:41):
like that doesn't affect anyone's life except for this label
in her.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's not well, that's not true.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I don't I don't think that that's what she's doing
or I don't care if that's what she's doing. But
that's not true. You yourself this and this wasn't numbers manipulation.
Your life changed because Tina Turner died before your album
came out and you were not able to to get
the number one R and B album, which you would
have had had Tina Turner not died, and.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
People streamed her music and she beat you. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Granted, Taylor's going number one anyway, But as far as
this period on the overall scale of large artists manipulating
things and releasing deluxe's deluxe' deluxe is where their album
now keeps going back up to number one, which may
keep somebody else from getting a number one on a
country chart or an R and B chart or a
Billboard spy.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So that does affect other people.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Like I said, I'm saying from the fan side, like
that's just become a stand Like, yeah, if it doesn't
affect anyone's life, if Taylor Swift is manipulating, now, yeah,
if I'm an artist and in my contract with a major,
I get a bump on an advance because if I
hit a number one or stipulations.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Like that, Yeah, I'm don't be fucking pissed.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I mean, I wasn't mad at Tina Turner, but but it.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Would have been nice to say, hey, I had number one.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But again, it also didn't affect anything about that album,
Like the album got the same amount of strings that
it would have had it been Yeah, of course I
think I ended up number three.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was two teen to turn around.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, how I get a number three when I should.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Have number one.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
But I mean, yeah, I wasn't really mad at that,
but I also am independent, Like there's certain milestones that
if I hit does it doesn't affect what my deal
will be.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, But to the.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Fans that talk about all this shit, like these numbers
don't affect any of you, Like I know, it's cool,
Like if you're a barb to be like, I'm happy
I can say Nicky has a number one, but if
NICKI has a number two, pause, the album is still
going to be the exact same to the consumer, like
nothing is going to change because of the numbers. But
Russ's point is, why the fuck would you be mad
at an artist that is utilizing their fan base. If
(04:46):
y'all want to buy a bunch of shit, do it to.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Play Devil's advocate because I agree with Russ, but to
play Devil's advocate just to have a conversation. If the
fan base is young kids, which Taylor does have a
lot of base, then you could say that you're manipulating
a younger fan base to continue to spend money on
your stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Then I'm gonna get on my camera on Bill O'Reilly thing.
That's the parent's fault. If Amara Pompson says, I want
three versions of the same Taylor Swift album Omora, You're
getting one.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, you're getting one of them. Now.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I think there's a lot of Swifties that are adults
that have great jobs, and however they want to spend
their money as long as not harming anyone.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Who are we to judge anyone for that? We all
buy weird shit. I was just talk about buying pussy.
I'm like, yeah, but I mean, but me and you
have had We had an.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Me and you had a disagreement, uh that we ended
up cutting out of an episode. As far as when
I said you should start a Patreon, a personal Patreon,
and then we talked about our own Patreon that we have,
as far as like you were like, well, I feel
bad having fans pay for things, and I said and
I said the exact same thing to you, where I said,
that's their fucking choice to spend their money.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You're not holding a gun to their head.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You're like, I feel like I'm asking them for money,
and it's like no, You're providing something and either they
find it valuable or not valuable, and it's up to
them to spend their money on it.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I just view the consumer
thing as what they're like monthly overhead is and like
what we're asking Like all right, this month, we're asking
someone to pay for twenty dollars. Here, we're releasing merch
at this price. Oh, we also have live tickets on sale.
Like I think about those types of things because I
do care about our listeners, like.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
To just add more shit.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, but that's you weren't wrong and anything you were
saying it was like just more of a morality thing
of like damn, I like I don't do I want
to ask them to spend another ten dollars like I
know I should be.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And that's what you have morals.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's what the people are saying about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, but here's saying she has no morals.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
No, they're saying that she's not considering the.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Concert or you're just doing what most celebrities or stars do,
like people who are trying to find a way to Yeah,
you're trying to find a way to can please everybody,
but you want to try to please as many as
you can. So maybe you can't get this album, Maybe
you can't get this merch. Maybe you can't go to
this live show, but somebody can. Somebody can go to
(07:11):
this live show. Yeah, somebody.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Different options of shit, they different options of.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Things that you can buy and support your artists or
you know, whoever it is. I think you're both right
that you're supporting, but I don't think it's something that
should be frowned upon.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I do get where that can kind of trip the
numbers and things like that, but somebody like Taylor Swift
that doesn't. She's Taylor Swift, bro. The numbers are going
to be the numbers, no matter if she has one
version of her album or seventeen versions of albums, the
numbers are going to be incredible. Like that's just what
it is.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, And back to another conversation we had when we
were talking about like the billboard change, like the bundling
rules with after what like Travis was doing and that
entire thing. I never saw anything wrong with that either.
I understand why Nikki was complaining about it because she
felt like she should have had the number one. I
get that, but I know artists up to Taylor Swift
(07:58):
are getting fucked. They're getting manipulated by a label. You
have to find other strategies to manipulate a system that's
manipulating you. So yeah, of course I'm going to try
to bundle something. Of course I'm going to try to
sell different versions of this. I'm getting fucked over here anyways.
This system is not even designed to be an artist
friendly system. I have to find new ways to do
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this shit right to make Not to say Taylor Shope
needs more money, but you know, just in general, for
any artists, it's not. It's tricking a system that's tricking
the artists. That's why I was never mad when people
did bundles. Travis, Helly, you're a fucking great designer with
your merch You're a great artist. Like, yeah, work the
system that's trying to work, y'all already, right, I'm never mad.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
At that type of shit. No, you can't be mad at.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So that's why I even love that, like people care
about vinyls again, just because I know that's gonna help
so many artists because people will stream their music but
also want to buy a collectible of the same shit.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Like, to me, that's that's cool for an artist.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's part of being a consumer, part of being a
fan of He created the artists, And I get how
some people like to have that argument about what it
does for the numbers and things like that, and they
feel like the artist is trying to play the numbers game.
And again, even if that is what the artist is
trying to do, what is the problem. You're in the
music business. You're in the business of selling music, selling products.
So I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
And let's not act like fans and consumers aren't like
I mean, at least the nerdier ones like myself aren't
like collectors. Like if I'm a hard core tailor Swift fan,
you mean you're not.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Of course, of course.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I'm swiftly Okay, I'm just checking. I'm part of this.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
About I'm part of the six million tales.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, you're about to get the Swifty car revoked real quick.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
If I'm a hard core tailor Swift fan and I
collect shit, I'm like, yeah, I'll buy three different color
versions because I like to collect things.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
No.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Now, if you're manipulating shit with whether it be botser
behind the scenes like with other that that's a whole
separate conversation. But direct to consumer with a product. Wrong
with that shit, not at all sell it all feel No,
it's interesting too that like rappers kind of get the
(10:09):
the rap no pun intended that they're the ones that
are standoffish or won't work with each other. R and
B artists are that times ten, Like if you go
with the Coles, Kendricks, Drake, Big Sean wile A like
that class, they've all collaborated with each other. Now if
you would go with your class, which I you frank
weekend party next door, Like yeah, R and B people
(10:31):
even with their graduating class and never really fuck with
each other like that.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
It's it's a trip. It's a trip. I was just
having this conversation too. I was we were talking about
the difference in support also because I can hear that
class in the music and you know, and it's like
I can look at it and be like, damn, like
I did my thing, we did our thing, like it's
it's in like I can hear how my approach is
(10:59):
like really actually kind of affected, and it's it's such
a it's a dope thing to see and to see
everyone else, you know, see everyone else's influence and the
shaping of the sound. I mean, we started alternative R
and B. There was no category for that, you know,
it was like we did that.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yeah, there was no blog R and B. Yeah, we
were the ones R it was.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
And it is a shame to kind of to think
that we actually never really did.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
And I don't know what that what that's about.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I think about historically, you know, when when soul music
was in Detroit, when it was Philly or Detroit, there
was a hub of in a scene where writers and
artists were working together. Stevie's all over all the motime, right,
you know what I mean. Marvin Gaye was in you know,
he was in a band, he was they were all
(11:47):
working together, travel together, on tours together.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I still don't have an answer for why it doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I mean, I think with a lot of them, they
had similar producers in common, so they would be in sessions.
Everyone was kind of running through the same system. Where
that's different now and I think rappers also, it's a
bit easier if we both walk into a studio and
agree on a beat, something can easily come out of that.
Where I feel like some of the greater R and
(12:18):
B artists are so in tune with their production like
they are producers as well. That can get weird, Like
if you and Frank walk into a studio, you're both
going to have different directions as far as the production goes.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
The approach are the son the sonic.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Whereas you know, a loop beat with a fucking soul
sample cole And while I.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Would be like this is great, let's go yeah, like Banger,
it is going to go crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So I think maybe that's where it could derive from,
just on the production side, because everyone's so hands on.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Especially before too we're talking about songwriters. Yeah, SI crafters
like I write and produced, like I've produced it or
real music. I wrote that song, you know what I mean.
I wrote short thing and they're not. It's not a verse. Also,
it's also the approach like a crazy verse from an
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MC is gonna be like can kill the whole song.
It's like, man like, let me think like Nicki Minaj's
verse on Monster, like her verse won the song.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
You know what I'm saying, two of the greatest rappers
of all time on that.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
But it's like a verse can go crazy for MC,
but for singing for I don't know how you know,
I think it can stick I think now it's evolved
where we could approach it that way, and I think
it'd be interesting to explore it like that. But I
know in the past it was about we're singer songwriters,
you know, and we're producers, so it was about the song.
(13:46):
It was the whole thing and artists. So I wonder
if there's something interesting there, though, you know, it's like,
what if we just approach it as versus you know, have.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
You ever had to meet any of your idols or
people that you thought toone like disappointed and like heartbroken,
like oh this person is not really a good person,
or like not what I thought?
Speaker 6 (14:06):
It would be definitely ones where I wish we would
have got on like it, like we could have found
some like Okay, I funk with you, like I'm a personal.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Uh who did I not?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Really?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
You know what, Honestly, I would almost say I would
wager that more it was like me that.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Was it was was like, oh, am I the problem.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
This was the eight years of disappearing. I needed to go.
I was the problem.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I am.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Trauma.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
So we'll tell you that you felt that way that
you look back like you know what, damn, I'm like
I fucked that up.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
No, No, I'll say this. I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
This is when I like, I wish it would and
it wasn't because anyone was was when we were doing
when I was doing Kalaudoscope Dream, I was here at
at Platinum Sound. I was over there for a long
time when Platinum Sound was over on in Midtown.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Shout out to Jerry One, Jerry One.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I mean what happened in that studio in terms of
just like the amount of fun and the songs and
all that was incredible. And I was we have finally
had momentum and a Dorn was was having a moment
and we were finishing the album. I got to work
with Pharrell finally, and Farrell came and he spent some
days with me, and and I still look at those
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sessions and I'm like, man, I really wish we would
have found one. What we did doesn't fit the album.
It doesn't it like it would have never worked on
Kaleidoscope Dream. And I'm I'm I'm clear about that, But
also like I just wish I would have locked in
with him more because he's a hero of mine, you know,
And and I always like, just like damn, I wish.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Like was it me?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Like, was I just like too? And I was really
adamant too. I was like I knew what I wanted it, yeah,
and I was really sure.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
It's like it's a.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Bad thing because that has to be commendable and respectable,
especially for Pharrell to see a young artist so fixed
on who they are and what they want and the
sound that they want to create. I know what you mean,
because it's like, this is for real.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
But I will say this though he did he had.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
I mean, look, he's a visionary and he came in
and we cut this record that is a banger. I
don't even I can't find like the hard drive that
has the session on and it's like it's somewhere in
storage somewhere, but but it it's very much feels like
a Prince record. But if I were, if I but
me still, you know, but he came in with such
(16:43):
a vision and I don't think I was ready for that.
I was like, how to clear out a clear different vision?
And I've seen in subsequent interviews of his they've asked
some questions like, I mean, you could tell I've thought
about this.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I really thought about this.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, this has been halting you bro, it's been on
my bout like man, like why like why didn't we
I know it was all that, like damn didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
If Kladscope Dreams wasn't a classic, I'd say this should
keep you. But but would that have worked maybe more
on Wild because I mean that was kind of the
stereotypical fan perspective of like, all right, is he about
to do his prints thing?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
He's going yeah, he's going no No.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
I think on the contrary, this was this well, I
don't even know where this record would have fit, but
I do think it would have probably at the time
it probably would have hit. I think he was right, yeah,
And I think based on what what fans wanted, what's
known about me and my taste and who I'm drawing
(17:49):
from my inspirations and whatnot, it would have made a
lot of sense. And the record was a great record,
but I just wanted to go a different direction.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And he spoke about it in interviews as well that
No talked about other He's talked about other situations where
he's been in a room and he's like, you know,
not everybody's ready to hear my vision, and the ones
that do have listened, you know, he's like, more often
than not have had great moments with him, and he didn't.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
He's talking about you watch YouTube, that's about me. This
is about me.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No, No, he definitely wasn't.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
And I think it might have been an interview before,
even before I worked with him. But but I think
he was like referring to like maybe Justin or something
at the time, and he's like, you know, not every
time I go in and they're ready to hear what
I what I'm seeing, but when they trust me to
just do the thing, he's like, that's where that's how
we get this and that. And I think he was
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talking about Justin and whatnot. He might have mentioned Kendrick
or something in it, but that is one of those
ones where it wasn't either of us. It just didn't happen,
And I always look at it and I'm like, man,
would have it again.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I think that speaks more to greatness and your vision.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Like for example, we definitely we were talking when Ji
D dropped his record with.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Eminem and was like, this isn't on the album.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And it made me go, oh, this JID album has
to be great. That if he's so stuck on his
vision that this eminem or is not what I'm trying
to do with a project.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
It made me more excited about it.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Beuse to just leave off of eminem versus your album
is like vision the same way of like, damn, I
really about to just leave a Farel session and be like,
nah the fuck.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
We did a couple other ones, and I've been meaning
to hit him because he was telling me earlier that
I should be leaning into just being Latino and like
he's like, bro, who can do it? He was definitely
like he was coaching, you know. He was like, and
I wasn't in the place at the time. Also, I
didn't feel like I had done the work to feel
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doing music in Spanish felt organic. It's just it was
too too big of a leap at the time. But
he's like, he's like a whole I mean maybe ten
years actually, because after my sessions for Kaleidoscope Dream, we
worked in like Nashville during like Bonnu or some shit
like that, and he was like, bro, you gotta get
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on your Latin shit hard, and he cooked up some
some like you know those rhythms, and I just wasn't
ready for it. But then fast forward eight years later,
just on this album. Kyle was like, I'm definitely intro am.
I yeah, yeah, I'm in it and I've been waiting
(20:46):
for it for the time. When I see him and
I'm like, you were right, bro, I just wasn't ready. Yeah, yeah,
because this album definitely got.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
You still have that loaded up in your NPC, the
shit you cooked up and that, I'm like, where is that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Storage up hard drive? And we're gonna get into that.
We're gonna get into the snitches and the rats everybody
else what happened or you just open your phone.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I've seen you guys send something to the group chat
about the NBA.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
But I don't know. I'm just a girl. I don't
know what's going.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
On the NBA. It's huh, no bets allowed. It's about
to be some shit.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
No bets allowed.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
BET's a lot, I'm telling you. But I always listen. Bro.
When they made gambling legal, and they even started having
like you know, the lo loos with the logos on
like uniforms, and you know, if you're watching the game
of TV, they even have a way they could put
the logo on the court that's not really on the court.
Only people on TV could. And they started doing shit
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like that. You gotta know that the guys behind these
things are in business together. You have to, which means
now the people that are part of it, they're gonna
be approached for conversations and opportunities to make a little
extra money on the side. If you know, if you're
a coach, if you're a player, if you can make
an extra six seven million that nobody knows about, you're
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probably gonna take that opportunity for sure. And lo and behold,
today we open our phone. But this is just a
trickle now, because you remember, Gilbert Arenas was arrested a
few months ago by the FBI for running illegal poker
games and things like that. Now, I'm not calling gil
with a snitch, but he did. He did say out
his mouth he didn't snitch yet, but I will. Those
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are Gilbert Wards. If Josh maybe can pull it up.
I believe verb beata. He said, I didn't snitch yet,
I didn't cooperate, but I will. So now today we
have Damon Jones being arrested. We have Chauncey Billups being arrested.
We have Terry Roseah whose situation is separate, but it's
still a gambling arrest as well.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
No man, how many Gilbert was at those court steps,
smiling ear to ear when he left his dedctment.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, because Gilbert is probably like, listen, I'm not the
big fish. I know what y'all want here, y'all want,
y'all want the big guy. That's not me. Yeah. I
was gambling and I was running poker games. You know,
it wasn't I owned the house. But you know, and
this is what Gilbert said, he won't be worried. Good
luck in court. I'm pretty sure I ain't going to
be there when it start, when it's starting to go,
because yeah, I'm snitching. No Gilber's words.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
They had said this. This investigation has been going on
for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, so Gilbert got rested, arrested. It was more investigation.
He put it on hisself. He said, I'm not gonna
be there. Pull it up again, Josh, I don't want
to misquote the great Gilbert Arenas. He said, I'm not
going to be there when it starts going, when it's
starting to go, because I'm snitching. See what he said.
I'm pretty sure I ain't gonna be there when it's
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starting to go. It's going. Rory we got we got
the text the messages today cause yeah, I'm snitching. You
can see that at the nine minute twenty second market
you want, I Am not call and Gilbert Arena to snitch.
Gilbert Arena said himself that he is snitching. Yes, there
you go.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Do you think that's why the FBI called this operation
nothing but Net?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Have you ever seen Gilbert shot? Have you havent seen good?
You ever seen Gillis shoot the ball? Pure shooter barely
touched the rim. Nothing but operation nothing but Net has commissed.
And you niggas is going to jail. H Adam Silver.
I'm pretty sure they're gonna knocking on your doors soon.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Of course, the one year that it might be the
next turn to finally go all the way, I think
we're gonna get a lockout, not by the players, by
the FBI.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
In a month like this could get really, really really bad.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
For Oh, it's gonna get so current NBA player, current
inform ANBA players and coaches, Chauncey Phillips, Ter Rose, and
Dami Jones have been arrested. This was an illegal gambling
and sports rigging operation that spanned years, so this ain't
something that they just started investigating, and you know they've
been looking at this.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Gilbert just connected the dots.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, he was the first tip that they grabbed that
we know of. It was the public figure that we
would know years across eleven states. In total, thirty individuals
have been arrested, thirteen mafia members. The case evolves like
Coster and Nostra. Charges included legal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion.
There are two separate indictments. The definition leverage that connections
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to place prop bets based on confidential insider information, whining
tens of thousands of dollars per bet.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
There was there was another article and it wasn't like
the greatest source, but one of the Damon Jones they
say in the paperwork was talking about Lebron's injury, Like
Lebron is not that Lebron did anything wrong, but apparently
he's in the paperwork that Damon Jones was just letting
letting the mob know about fucking Lebron's ankle.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, that's inside information points. It's all all this shit,
and then you go defbias. The NBA player Terry Rose
to the defendants that he was going to leave a
game early on March twenty third, twenty twenty three with
an injury. The defendants then placed more than two hundred
thousand of wages on the unders for his prop bets,
with Rose leaving the game after nine minutes. Those bets
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paid out tens of thousands of thousand Profits and their defendants,
and Rose counted the money at his house. Dug, did
you just a fucking movie? Did you see where Scorsese?
Scorsese is fucking having a ball reading all of this. Yeah,
get the red camera, Scorsese, because this is a movie.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Charlotte, Hornets, Trailblazers, Lakers, and Rafters are all involved with it.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I mean, did you see that?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Listen, man, I'm not trying to start nothing, but I
will say the other day during the Lakers game, Lebron
looked very very I don't know. He had this look
on his face the whole time on the bench. He
wasn't even looking at the game. He was looking straight
into the crowd.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
At the Bananos.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, like, I don't know, man, I think that you
know a lot of players know what's happening, what's going
on behind the scenes. We joking and it haven't last worried,
but this is gonna get I mean it already is,
but this is gonna get very short.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Oh yeah no, this is everyone's fucking.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, this is gonna get serious.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
And I mean we was joking about the Gilbert thing.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But if you don't think Chauncey Billups and the rest
of them are gonna have the same mentality, like these
aren't like street guys that have a code of like
they're gonna tell everything.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
This is gonna continue to get worse.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, more names gonna come out, but I mean, shit
down to.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Fuck the points shaven.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Chauncey Billips was involved with the mob with the shuffling
machines that red cards in the deck and then they
relay the information to an off site operator that they
called the quarterback, then sent the information to someone at
the table. This is why I never like fucked with
gambling spots like that, like the underground gambling spots in
the house, Like there's no way this is not rigged.
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Some HM already at the casino. You're fucked, but there's
no regulation here. Think I trusted the mob.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
This is interesting because this is all right, this is
the NBA we're talking about. I feel like it's easier
to kind of throw games in the other sports, like
say baseball, Like it's easy for me as a hitter
to go up there and just keep whipping that fucking
like bad pitches. Yeah, like on the basketball court, like
if I'm just turning that shit over, dribbling that ship
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off my foot, like it's like, all right, bro, like
what the fuck is he doing? And they pulled up
roses highlights or what they think was one game that
he was throwing that was the most time, That was
the most That's what I'm saying in basketball. It's a
little more noticeable in baseball. If I'm a hitter and
I'm just like, Yo, I'm gonna go O for for tonight,
that's that's hard for y'all to pick up on. I
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can just be up there just swinging that ship and
it's like, well, I'm just having an off night. I'm
just not hitting the ball. But look at rose he
throwing that ship. Look look at this. Watch this, watch
This one is crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
This is the one he starts running back before he
even threw the past.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yo, crying, look at this. That pass was crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
But I feel like you could have at least purposely
missed a lot of shots and it wouldn't look that crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
This is just blatant.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, just take me through there, take me through there.
So much money? He like, man, fuck this basketball.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
The hilarious part was to come off.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
The announcers were like, rough night for Terry, and he
times like, this is the most obvious thing ever.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, this is this is gonna get bad. Obviously, the
FBI is still investigating. We just got to wait and
see who else. Man, I think more more players are
gonna be called into that room, and more players are
going to cooperate. Yeah, but this is gonna get bad again.
This doesn't surprise me once Gambler became legal. I mean,
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one of the first things I thought was all right,
so now you know, it's just more opportunity for players
to throw games, be involved in it. You know, me
and my Fridget joke all the time, Like I got
a lot of friends that played in the NBA. They're like, Yo,
why don't you just call him and tell them not
to get six rebounds tonight. I'm like, yo, y'all joking,
But that's how easy and simple it really is. Yeah,
(30:19):
Like yo, bro listen, man, just god, just don't get
six rebounds tonight. You can do everything else. Don't grab
six boards. I'm gonna get this quick, ten twenty K.
We're good. This is the result of things like that. Yeah,
and you know, unfortunately now a lot of players are
gonna have to answer to this, a lot of you know, coaches, gms.
I'm sure it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot
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of people like that we start seeing getting arrested and
being questioned behind this whole thing. I think this is
just just the start of it.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I mean, but even with that, like I assume how
they I'm just guessing how they even got involved with
the mob. Was they had some type of gambling that
with them, Because to your point, why wouldn't because gambling
is legal, now, why wouldn't you just go off the
parlays that you could easily control rather than fucking with
the mob to do this shit?
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Yeah? Yeah, like that, that to me is the craziest part.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Like they must have been so deep in debt that
they were doing it this way, because we all assume
that there's plenty of players that do exactly what you
just said. But but it's through legal, even though that's illegal,
legal gambling off those parlays.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But this, like how you how.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
You even get involved with this way if you're Chauncey Billups,
like as a coach.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You know, you take a guy out if you see
he's approaching.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You know what I'm saying to even get in in
bed with or owe people this type of stuff, like
throwing games because you owe.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Under from underground gambling spots. Man, Yeah, y'all gambling at
the house. You know I might have I might have
lost a million, Like shit, I need some of that back.
All right, Well tamorrow go out there. Don't let him.
Don't let your point guard score twenty tomorrow, pull him
out the game. It's that simple. It starts going trickling
into that, and now you in bed with them. Now
(31:59):
it's like, all right, now you're part of it. Yeah,
and here comes death beyond investigation. Years later you're thinking
it was just over, But it was just that one time.
Nah man, All of this is gonna be in coverage.
So that's what I'm saying. This is something that I
think is gonna a lot of players. I was, I'm
not gonna lie seeing Chauncey Billups involved with this kind
of like I was surprised to see his name. Yeah,
he was. He wasn't somebody I expected to be involved
(32:23):
at all. But here, here we are. Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Lot of NBA players stepping on their phones and erasing
their eye class stepping as fuck?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
What else? Gilbert? You know what other versus Gilbert? I mean,
Gilbert might be in the booth right now, you know,
giving them a sixteen let them know what happened? Was
really going on? Listen again, this is Gilbert saying he
would do this. I'm just I'm not putting this on
Gilbert adas he said he was he would snitch, not me.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I mean, what was the Can we look up the
referee that was caught?
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Tim? Tim Donnie if I remember correct?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
What's his twitter? Didn't he let's see what he's talking
about today?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Didn't he say in an interview that he believed every
single ref was involved with some form of gambling or
point shaving decisions, every ref in the NBA, and that
we just skipped over that. Listen, man, every reef in
the NBA, which is I mean, that's kind of nuts,
but I'm sure it's a large majority. No, he was
(33:26):
straight up saying that they they're all involved, Like he's
not the only one here.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, he's not. He's definitely not the only one. You
can't be the only one in a in a in
a in a in a league that big, with that
many games on however many nights, you're not the only one. Bro. Yeah,
there's no way. Definitely not the only one. No, he
Steve Javi. Look, they got a picture of Steve Javi,
(33:54):
but that's not But listen, man, we go back to
You got players like Chris Paul who say, every time
Steve Javi ref one of his games, Scott Foster, I'm sorry,
Scott Foster. I didn't put that on Steve Javis.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Scott Foster, Chris Paul said that.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
He said, Yo, every time he rests one of my games,
it's like I get thrown out. I get this, I
get that.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, so you gotta.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
It sounds crazy, but even things like that affect a bet.
A player getting ejected, picking up two quick technical fouls,
quicking up picking up quick personal files, got to sit
out the whole first half, Like we sit here and
we just watched games and thinking like, yo, the ref
just made a bad call. Okay, but why did he
make that bad call? That could be a loaded call,
(34:39):
It could be that could be a million dollar bad
call he just made. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
We don't think about it like that, but essentially that's
exactly what all of this is gonna end up showing us,
Like little things like that that kind of dictate the
game and affect the game in whatever way. While it
looks little to us, a turnover doesn't look that bad
to us in the third quarter. Yeah, but at the
(35:00):
end of the night, somebody had a bet placed on
that in the over and under and the score and
the money line and things like. All of those little
things add up to a bigger picture, and this is
part of the bigger picture. Maul.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
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Yeah, my thoughts again.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
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You're also thinking about the traffic on the way there.
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Speaker 4 (35:58):
And I mean, how far does the rabbit hole go
with the gambling thing, because outside of like the regular
sports parlay stuff that they got sights that say how
many times Taylor Swift is gonna be shown in the
booth at a Kansas City Chiefs game, Like there's an
over under for that. And at what point if you
are the cameraman at an NFL game, man.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Like when the producers sees all the screens and was
just like one more time, man, listen was it six times?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Listen? We're joking and talking in the second quarter. Listen,
we joking and talking shit.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
But that's real.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
That's real because they come up with the craziest fucking
things on those sites.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
That's real.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
As far as that goes.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Something like that, I'm not listening. That doesn't affect the
game on the field. So something like that is like,
you know, that's just like the cameraman, you know, trying
to just make a little whatever on field. Anything that
interrupts the game or disturbs the game, like the integrity
of the game. Back to your question of should you
be kicked out of the Hall of Fame if you're in,
(36:59):
I think so. I think if you've done anything to
jeopardize the integrity of the sport, to jeopardize the outcome
of any game, whether you were involved in it or not,
just the sport, I think that that is something to
look at and be like, you might that might get
you kicked out of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I agree with you, But I do feel like Pete
Road should be in the Hall of Fame because he
bet on himself. Like he wasn't betting against the Reds
where he could really jeopardize. He was confidence team was
like putting this down. So to me, that's fine. If
you want to bet on yourself, I think that should
be cool.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
But against yourself, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Bet on yourself to perform or underperform.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
On the Reds to win, which to me is is cool.
I mean, I get it. You can't have a gray
area there. If you gamble, you gamble, you out.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
But with gambling being legal now and those rules being
a little gray, I think only if you bet to
affect the game negatively, Like if you right, if you're
throwing a game, yeah, get the fuck out of the
whole fame, But where do you draw the line with
the steroid thing, because I think Barry Bond should be
in there. M h to me, that's affecting the game.
(38:12):
Yeah no, but it's still you still should be in
the whole thing. I don't think there's just be an
asterisk there.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
But it has to be an asterisk because the playing
field is not. Even if I'm on steroids and my
opponents aren't, I already have an advantage. So that's where
it kind of gets tricky because it's like, all right,
if we can all take steroids, thin, cool, because it
evens the field. But now, when you get in the field,
(38:41):
in the in the territory of okay that the playing
field is I have an advantage over all of my opponents.
That's cheating.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah, but I think everyone's taking steroids at that time.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And I'm not gonna say everybody, but I do think
a lot of people will. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And I only bring up that point to this gambling
ship because if we end up finding out that for
the past twenty years, every player has been involved and
I don't think anyone should be kicked out the whole fame.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Everyone's doing it. That was the game at that time.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I know one thing. They better not put Michael, Jeffrey
Jordan and none of them fucking investigations. I don't want
to hear ship about Mike. Don't tell me.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Mike was Mike doesn't. Everyone knows Mike doesn't gamble.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Huh. He didn't serve what he served his time.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
He did six months with the White Side.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Mike was not gambling on no fucking NBA game. Who
He's gambling to win? Because that's all he did this thing.
Everyone knows that so he did was win. Everyone knows
that Mike is a degenerate gambler. But Mike is also
the biggest competitor of all time. Mike would never ever
bet against himself.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
No, I think Mike bet. I think Mike bet on
himself for sure. There's no way he did not put
money down on his own games, for sure.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I don't think so. Man. I think he's such a
big fit. That would have came out. We would have
been found out about that.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, that that Why do you think that he No?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
No, no, that was his number. No, no, no, that was That
was the conspiracy I'm talking about, able to have come
out as a fact that he bet on bulls games
already by now, he's been retired for almost thirty years.
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