Checking In With Ghostface Killah (Presented by Boost Mobile and Mass Appeal)

Live from the Mass Appeal pop-up, Rory and Mal check in with Ghostface Killah. Ghostface hits on his confusion about the word "pause", how James Dolan convinced Wu-Tang to make a Kevin Durant recruitment song, and the time he got into a shootout with The Delfonics in the car #volume

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
No want you want to want too? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Right?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Wait, is that we really starting with.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
A line of everybody doing the fake clap?

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Welcome to a special special episode of Rory and Mall Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I am Maul, I'm Rory and Rory.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
Today we are at the Massive Pill pop up yes
on Canal. Yeah, if you want to get a Gucci
bag for your girl.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
You know for sure Christmas around the corner, That's exactly
what I'm gonna Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
But today we are joined by a special special guest. Yes,
this is special to me because this is probably his
first album. Is one of the albums Rory that I
saved my allowance, yeah to go to the Whiz.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
On Fordham Road in ninety six, so you hadn't even come.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Outside, I know. But see the difference is with our
age gap. It was the same way with me with
in two thousand with Supreme clientele, I was the same way.
We're ten years apart, and this gentleman had the same
effect to both of us.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, with a ten year age game.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yes, today we are joined by the legendary Tony Starks
Y Man Pretty Tony the Walla Bee Champ ghost Face.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Outside of this rap, the reason why every single person
that went to Catholic school in New York City wore
wallabies because that was the only shoe.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
You can dress it up, you can fight, you can
do everything in the wall right right. Yeah, you just
they just the soul just runs down a lot. I
told them, talk them about that, like, you know what
I mean, I say, yo, you gotta chant put a
little attack of some under the soul because that gum
or just you got mean while he's out and signed

(01:44):
with me, signed with the messed up soul. Yeah, somebody
got a hand. But you know what, and they started
making it messed up though. Nothing cut you off because
they started getting made in Taiwan, okay then, and that
it wasn't it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
It wasn't the same the walla bees ever approached you
early on about a partner shit, because I mean, you
were the reason why everybody in the.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Hood started man listen, man day's blown smoke. They fronted
on me, you know what I mean. So we met,
we met, Yeah, but it was like you know, they
was trying to, you know, treat me like a crackhead.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
So it's like it just didn't work.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
You know what I mean, Like but when I was
doing it, like I do things just to do it,
because that's what I saw myself, And like when I
was dying doing all the shit.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Like that or whatever, I just did that to do it.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
And then I guess they caught winn and seen the
sales just skyrocket and they get reached out. But it
was like, yo, they came in from England, you know
what I mean, and dad, they it mounted it ain't
going nowhere?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
What dre that style? Though? Like when was the first
time you saw a wallaby in Staten Island? When the
Jamaicans was going crazy? It was like what was that?

Speaker 5 (02:51):
That was probably like eighty six, eighty five eighty six, Yeah,
I saw the first pig wallabies. And then you know,
at the way where I'm from, they just the Jamaicans
was like they was moving a lot of drugs out
there and stuff like that. But that's all they had
was like shatskin, big truck, jury, wild bees, you know
what I mean. And so I came to like taking
the liking of them. Sh it's nice to come out

(03:12):
here to Canal Street and you know, just scrape me
a pit whatever the case may be. And yeah, and
it's just It's just you know when even by the
time we got to the tree, we link skit, that
Blue and Cream skit, you know what I mean. It
was like, yo, when I had visions of like dying
and Blue and Cream and you listen to skit, you
see what I'm talking about. It was like from there,

(03:32):
it was on. It was on from there.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, they're still on Van DUSA, the Jamaicans Anhatans are
still on VANDUSA right now.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
You've been over there lately.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah, those are the real joints you gotta get. You
gotta be to make sure they made from England, not Taiwan,
not China and all the other stuff, like cause it's
it's a different shoot, like yeah, ceials different definitely.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
So talk to us about how did the whole you
know what everything Master Piell did this year with the
with the with the Legacy series. Yeah, how did the
first conversation happen? And what was your take on it?
Were you like kind of like apprehensive about doing it
or was it like I'm all.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
In for the comic book or just me being on
master Field period, mass Field period with It's like.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Peter kept he kept reaching out like throughout the years this.
It was like I don't know, like six years ago,
seven years ago, you.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Know what I mean. He threw it up in the air.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
You know, we kept just going back and fall and
then after while it was like a maybe like a
two year gap and he'd come back again and we
talked whatever the case may be. But it wasn't it
wasn't the right time. It wasn't the right time. You know,
God is the master of all times, you know what
I mean. So it's never on my time, it's on
his time. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
And that was it.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
So you know, he came back again, and it was like,
you know what, in order for me to give you Supreme,
I got to do two albums because that's why I
just set the tone. It was setting the tone for Supreme.
It just ain't had that much promotion. Yeah, this album Supreme,
you know what I mean. So it was it took
a while, you know what I mean. And then I'm like, yo, Nas,
First of that's my favorite rapper. That's my brother, you

(05:07):
know what I mean. And he's my favorite rapper. Anyway,
Like I'd rather do business with somebody I could get
ahead and you know, have a relationship I got a
relationship with Yeah, you know what I mean, because I
could look at you and be like, your son, this
is that and this and that, You're gonna either see
it how we see it or or not.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, you know what I mean. So I was grateful.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
I was grateful, like just to be staying with him
in these days and times, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's it was. It was a beautiful feeling. So it
was dope. Were who was the first to agree?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Because that's what I was curious about that conversation, Like
was Daylight already on board? Was Alchemist and Havoc already
on board? Did they picture that way like, well, this
is what we're trying to do in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I don't think so. I don't think I don't I
don't think so.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
I think I think they came a little bit after
the common because when I did with Supreme, when Set
the Tone came out, we already inked the deal for
both of them. Yeah already, like you know, I mean,
for Set the Tone and Supreme. I don't think nobody
but now I was on the label, gotcha, you know
what I mean? They did documentaries, but I don't think

(06:12):
nobody else was dead.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I'm not sure. I heard about Slick raking them later on.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, was there any pressure calling it Supreme Clientele to
just based off the first one being?

Speaker 5 (06:22):
I just had to be careful, you know what I'm saying.
It was like, because I see people do a lot
of part twos. I'm not really into part twos.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Neither am I, you know what I mean? I was
nervous title. I was like, all right, but I know
that what we're doing because.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
It just depends on the like the beat and the
frame of mind and yeah, but I don't got a
bunch of yes cats around me that's gonna say yes
to everything I do. And I start with me first,
so you know, and my past albums from Iron Man
and Supreme, fish Scale and all that, I know how
to do these kind of albums, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I just give me some time and give me some beats.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
But what it is nowadays, you don't got people that
really could get that really makes those kind of beats
that moved me yet back then, you know what I mean,
Like they was just sending me track beats and all
this and this and that and the third but it's cool,
but it's not the Yeah, yeah, this ain't the formula.
So I tried my best to stay within that formula

(07:20):
and see where I really wanted to go, Like what's
the theme of it? What's this and that and the
third that's kind of like one of the hardest parts.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
At first.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
They only trying to find that, you know what I mean,
because the last Supreme was.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Just like it was just magical. It was just it
was just I.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Think I came home from jail and you know what
I mean, and I started just getting these beats and
juju and this one and that one and that, and
Rizally came with the skits, the Iron Man skits after
that shit, it was just a vibe, you know what
I mean. So it's basically the vibe. You to find
your vibe and then you go ahead and you know,
do your shit. So I got songs on it from
twenty years ago.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
I we could hear some of the differences that don't Yeah,
and I think we spoke about on the show, said
it sounds like some of these joints ghost recorded a.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Few, Yeah, like Metaphysics You're my friend, you know.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
It was a couple of beasts that I had from
back then I can't really go through it all right
now trying to think of it. But yeah, it might've
been like a good like four or five beats tracks
like and yeah, and I got mass shit I left
off the album.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I had havocan you know what I mean, kissing you
know what I mean. But it was just too much.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah, you can't give a nigg like twenty three songs
and shit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Like you know what I mean. I was gonna even
cut it down even more and shit, you know what
I mean. So how intentional was that though?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Because even I think it was another interview that said
that the Meth record is from like fifteen years ago
or something like.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It was intentional just my friend, ye're my friend. Yeah,
I've been, did that, I've been. Why'd you hold it though?
For so long? Because it sounded like I could have
for this album.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
It seemed like if I was gonna do supreme like
this one might could be for that, yeah, you know
what I mean, like metaphysics and other things like that.
So I just felt like, just keep it in the vote,
do whatever whatever. By the time it comes you pull
it back out and see for fit.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Would I would have said pause there, but I'm kind
of scared.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
So yeah, it's like, but you don't know why this
is so funny?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Right again?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
So the pause get on Supreme clientele too is fucking hilarious, hilarious.
What you may not know is that Maul's older brother
is the person that invented pause right now, it's not
no myth for real. Invented pause and started this whole
thing his older brother. So that's why that when we
got to meet, it's Biggs from Rockefeller.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, I know how to be somebody from Rocket Feller
because because then the first motherfuckers heard Jane, Yeah, did
not hear for Cam you know all that he would
I'm like, damn, nigga, I can't even speak no more
because it is paused all day.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
But it's poors to y'all, not to me.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
It's like, y'all, I know what I'm saying, Yeah exactly,
So I'm like, it's going to.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, that's we can't talk no more. That's shi. But
the Tasha Salad line made a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I'm saying that, but it was a fresh sound, yeah,
because it.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Wasn't like that back then. It wasn't you know we
were just It's like, yo, listen.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
I might get I might be the most pausous nigga,
you know, because back if the man asked a question
like I said on the skate and raps, you know
what I mean, we would be like even don't write
gau Island if you got cut with it with with
you know what I mean, They'd be like, yo, I
blew that nigga.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
You know what I'm saying. I blew that nigga like yo.
But because that makes it crazy, I'm just saying, though
you get.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
You know anything, but our minds ain't thinking of your
homoe ship, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Ain't no ship over you kill you? You know what
I'm saying? The skin you do like you freaking but
I freaking ask.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
It is because why every time I be like so,
I can't sell you like.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yo, you meet me at the store. I can't say
that no more right, I can't say that that being
a pause is crazy?

Speaker 5 (11:28):
No thigg just saying pause, no pause they gotta say
every time they say that, Yo. Now I'm you know
we're gonna meet a with pause over there. It's like,
why are you saying that ship? What's on your mind
and make it think like that. That's that's That's what
I'm saying, Like what's on your mind?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Like why you want to sexually ship every time? You
gotta talk now? Right? That's not my error, right right?

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Scamming the main No, I'm like, YO, come on there,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
We can't even go to a meeting, you know, Yo.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Everything is a fucking pause. It's like it's like, Yo,
I got pullsed out the game. Yeah, but that you know,
that was so I had to for the skit. It
was like, yo, because I'm thinking of skits and like, Yo,
what the you know what I mean? And then't that
ship right there?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah? I gotta talk these motherfuckers. I gotta you know,
I mean, it was fucking hilarious.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I will say that we recorded today right before we
came here, and uh, it just leaked that you guys
had put out the Kevin Durant uh joined the New
York Knicks video. I don't know if you saw on
your phone. It finally leaked the video. The video, Yeah,
it came out today. What fucking video y'all was trying
to get.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Y'all was trying to get Kevin Durant to come to
the next Oh yeah, it came out a few hours ago.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
That was talking about it and then someone found the
footage and it went on the internet.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Today. We was talking to rapping.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I was rapping in the whole, remember that was talking
about it, and then they found the actual video, right yeah, wow,
And we said pause because because Riza started that ship
with like, yo, we need you to come.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
And it was like, man, it's like, I'm not fooling
for that ship. I'm still gonna talk my ship.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
That's it's not gonna.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Pause me out. I said, Man, it's like thinking this
how we this how we talk? Yes, it's like, yo,
come on, man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
We're not getting off this Nick ship first, because there
was a crazy theory today that that Dolan put that
together and reached out to Wu Tang to try to
get Kevin Durant to come to the Knicks and played
that in like some meeting when he was meeting with
the So what happened Like I'm not gonna say it,
I'm not I respect you too much whatever, whatever, but

(13:57):
do you remember even have that whole like she it
happened because I think it was what twenty nineteen, maybe
you guys did that.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, it was in the studio. I mean, we had
to go to the studio and go ahead and record
that ship. But damn, man, I don't know. I just
I got the call just to like a couple of
us got the call just to go ahead and go
in the studio and thre a couple of bars I
think it was, and yeah, that was it.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, and then Katy and Katie went to Brooklyn and
went to Brooklyn. He went to Brooklyn.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
I think y'all should have specified New York's y'all said New.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
York, New York. But we just followed they script. Yeah,
you know, digging you.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
A script like yo, yo, this or that's what you
want us to say, like you know what I mean, whatever,
just do something around there.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Like yeah, question about the album? Why why is Winterwards
not on DSPs?

Speaker 5 (14:42):
I don't know, man, that's a rigid question, you know
what I mean? Yeah, that's that's that's that nigga shit. Okay, Yeah,
that sounds like it's more to that. But I ain't
gonna ain't gonna.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Dig too no, no, because I shit, I don't. I
don't know with you. You got to ask this motherfucker.
I feel you. Yeah, Hey, listen, I ain't hide and ship.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah now, because I was going out, Like why is
went towards not on an album no more?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Like every time I go I went to Spotify, it.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Was not an album more na, Oh shit, I ain't
know that ship. First of all, I don't even say, Peter,
I do these albums. I don't listen to them no more. Yeah,
I get that though, Why is that because shit and
nigga I'm making them? I just that was it unless
you put it on somewhere and be yo. But other
than that, and plus I'm a funny nigga, So I'm
like this man. I hear a lot of shit in

(15:28):
certain music, especially my early music, that I shouldn't have did,
and get it pissed me off when I hear back, okay, you.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Know what I mean? And ship like.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
That, like especially with Iron Man, I was I was forced.
I had to do that, Like I don't know if
it was thirty days or or sixty days to do that.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
It was quick.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
They don't have to do it fast, like because they
tried to make a quota like the end of the year.
That's why I came out in October. Yeah, okay, you
know what I mean. So I think it was I
had to do it fast, and I'm like, I don't.
I'm not a fast writer. Okay, I write, I take
the time ship. Sometimes I gotta come back and you
know what I mean, and do ship like that. But
that was my first record deal, you know what I mean.
And I think he was calling up like maybe like

(16:08):
five six hundred thousand or whatever like that back then,
you nigga, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying,
We're gonna try to finish this sh h absolute word
and and and that's why I got a little my
not miss with it. But that's why I always like,
you know what, because I knew me I'm coming off
with cube links, you know what I mean. I'm skating
all over that ship. So I'm like, yo, okay, this

(16:29):
ship hit. And yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah. I know you've talked about like.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
The impossible verse and everything where you're pulling from some
true stuff and some not.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
How much of fourth Disciple is true and factual? Fourth Disciple? Yeah,
off off the off the new Supreo.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
I just fourth to fourth Oh you know Fourth Typle
made that be Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I tell you. Yeah,
I just I just I'm listen. I'm like a score
sa nigga, you know what I mean. So when I
hear when I hear certain beats, I'll just I'll whatever
I see in my mind, I'll just jot that. Yeah,

(17:10):
I write that like that right to where it's like
a movie like you know what I mean, I've always
been you can just picture it like that. So it
was just like it made me just go into it
like that because that's how it felt to me like
that a little.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Bit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Have you ever thought about like writing screenplays just because
you have that side of your brain.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I got raps that screenplay facts, you know what I mean,
Like people that not even heard that.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, I got shipped that other albums are done, did
that verses on it? That's like even even when with
stolen script off of like I think it was like
a more fish with Jamie Fox, like you know what
I mean. It was He's not on the track though,
but it was like I think it was about him
some shit. I got here it again, but it was
like a blind nigga like somebody was blind and doing
all this other ship, but I just music makes me

(17:54):
see ship.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, yeah, that I was watching.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I've watched every ghost interview I think, or have you
ever talked about how the mister Morale Kendrick connection happened
with your verse on the album. I've never seen you
speak about that before.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
He now he called me like I got the call
through my manager from his people or whatever the case
may be one day and it was like, I cool,
you know, And then he called me, got to me
on the phone and he was like, Yo, I want
you to do this thing for me. I want you
to do this, do this verse on this song I

(18:28):
got here, but this I want you to do it
this way and that I'm like we're talking about so
he like he did.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
He imitated me over the phone.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
He sent it to me and was like, yo, man,
like you know, like a paddn like a rhym style.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah the case may be.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
I'm like, I cool. So I went just for safety.
I gave him like two verses, you know what I mean.
I'm like, hold on, But it just hit me like yo,
cause I know he was like, you know, out of
the younger generation he was like the like he's like
the hottest one of like you know, three at all
of like you know what I mean, probably number one.
I'm like, it just hit me, like damn for him

(19:07):
to call me. It's like yo, he a fans, you
know what I mean, Like yo, And he was talking
to me like like yo, man, I you know, a
supreme clientele and this one and that. When I forgot
what song, he told me like you do when he
did the flow though. But yeah, it was like it
was kind of like surprising to me though, but I
had to make sure because I know how he do,
like he a master with you know what I mean,

(19:28):
Like he crafty with his ship. So I had to
just write like two verses for him, and he picked
the one that was with you.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Mccaully. Yeah, that's that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
That surprises you that the greats of this time are
directly influenced from you, Like that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Yeah, of course, because it's you know, it's because the
time changed. And I'll be around a lot of young
cats too that that that don't even know me. Yeah
you know what I mean, like you know, cause I'm like, yo,
I'm like they I was three years old by the
time we was out here, like you know what I'm saying, yo,
So you know you grow with the time so that

(20:06):
you know, I'm like the stylistics to these Yeah, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
So it's like it's like yo. But it was amazing
to be like, oh Snam and Dena.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
He him shot me out and called me me on
the phone and he's like, yo, I just need you
to And that was it. That's why I said, yoah,
you know what, if you don't like this one, I'm
sending them this one.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I just wrote both of them at the same time. Yeah,
and just gave it to him. Yeah, I mean wou
to me?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Why WOO is so interesting outside of the obvious is
you guys have a bunch of kids, but you guys
were so unique. I can find a bunch of people
that you easily could see were influenced by Jay nas Big,
but Wu Tang was so authentic in themselves. I don't
know if you could find somebody that could even try
to repeat what they did or make it look like, oh,

(20:51):
this is a direct influence.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Of course, they were.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
All influenced, but how do you even try to like
replicate that you could replicate somewhat of what bad Boy
was trying to do. You could replicate, You could try
to do your best to sound like nas. You'd be like,
all right, yo, Loope is a godmn ce but you
can see is directly influenced.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
By ours right right right right right.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Who has a bunch of kids, but you can't pick
them out because they don't Who could even try to
replicate wo. I mean like, yeah, okay, Griselta, as far
as the fashion goes, yeh, I could definitely see that
it was being so unique and yeah, so raw, Yeah,
I can see, Yeah, Grizelda Griseuta will probably the closest
there too.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
And as far as when they come together that this
but separate, yeah right, I mean that's that's that's it.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
It's like, you know, first of all, dealing with non
tien motherfuckers. Man, it's yo, god blood, and we we argue, man,
we do all this shit, but we can't get a
motherfucking on the right page. We can't get shipped like yo, nigga,
let's do this, Nah, let's do that, and then it
wind up is like it don't even happen, like you
know what I mean, because we not on unless zid

(21:55):
be like, Yo, you know what, were just going to
do that and we just file an abbot and just
be like all right, the fuckingt y'all. Then you know what,
that's what it's been fucking man, you know what I mean.
It's like, you know, I might because I'm one of
the motherfuckers, I'd be like, I like a lot of
fly ship. I might be like, Yo, we can't be
coming on stage like looking like nineties, like back in the.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Nineties, nigga. Yeah, you know what I mean. Let's get
on some new addition ship out here.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I've heard I want to tour a new addition, the
new audition to be crazy, that's what it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
That would But then you got brothers saying like, nah,
I ain't throwing on no Blazer.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I A'm thwing on no ship like that. Like I'm like, yo,
but you we gotta get at.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Least one time how these fucking thirty some years nigga,
just like THO, get it right to be crazy, you
know what I mean? All in suits? Come on, man,
you see what I'm saying. That would be beautiful album covered.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Man, It's like yo, but with that, but did with
did goals with everybody's character, like all these nine fucking energies,
different energies. It's like it's hard to get and it's hard.
I'm tchunking, y'all. It's to be been here for thirty
some years. It's hard, bro, It's hard to get on
the same page.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's hard. Very How much music did you?

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Did you or if you did it all?

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Did you lose any music in the flood at risidscript
like any solo music, It was.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
A lot of music lost. I don't that.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah, I think that probably one that took the biggest hit,
but we all did because them Beats was like, yo,
you know you know what that might have been God's
let me tell you something to get to the next level.
A lot of times you got to go through Hella
come out right. There's always going to be something that
funcks you over, you know what I mean, I don't

(23:35):
give it could be death, it could be this and
that and the third for you to go here, you
know what I mean, you got to have a loss
or something.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
But it was hard though.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yes, it was the flood. It was the flood. It
was it was then beats.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
It was taking that and using that as the flood.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, it's all.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Of course, of course, but I'm saying though, like it
was music went to a lot of music that was
that was lost in that flood, like all the this
up and all that ship word all of it.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, be that's tough.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean allegedly the Delphonics thing with what happened in
the car, we don't have to get into that. I
just want to know what the car ride home was like,
like you've told the story, but like yeah, we're not
roll the conversation afterwards, like.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Get the Delphonics still after they was just in the
shootout with like how did that happen?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Nam? Yo? There was some cool niggas. Man was cool.
It was cool.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
They was like I felt bad, like like yo, man,
you're done these niggas old man, you got these niggas
in the fucking shootout. But they was they was yo.
They was like nah, but you don't worry about that
ship man, worry about that. Like they from Philly man,
you know phil was dangerous. They were just like, Yo,

(24:56):
told me to bring my knife. It was like yo something.
The light skinned one was like some I'm showing me
to bring my knife, like like Yo, I'm like, yo,
But but while they're saying or that, I'm just saying sorry,
yeah yeah, so we're going and you know, we were
going in the in the studio and ship on an
elevator and ship. I'm just like, yo, I'm sorry, Yo,

(25:17):
I'm sorry. I just lost it because I didn't the
way it happened to Delphin's I was. They wasn't even
on my mind. Bro, I'm a kills niggas, you know
what I mean. And that's just what it was like.
And two it was like all over and it was like,
that's why they did after the.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Smoke, It's clear, you know what I mean, you.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Changed del funk. Yeah, so that's it came out. It
came out like that. That was right after the shape.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
That's all.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
It was like, Yo, man, we've been cool ever since.
Likes we meet up. Yeah man, thank god, nothing serious,
you know what I mean? But Yo, I love the
del Pholes man. That's they That's my soul those day,
they my soul. Yeah that error, you know what I'm saying. So,
but where is that really that We just went to

(26:04):
the studio.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
That was it. It wasn't like the I can't remember
what it was like when.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
After the studio session was over, like going back because
I can't remember this shit, but yeah, bro, that was it.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Where does that all like derived from? Because why you've
always been my favorite out of wu sang outside of
your wraps and tone is I'm a super soul and
R and B NERD. So like that's why I always
more like drive more to ghosts because of that.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Where does that stem from? That?

Speaker 5 (26:31):
That's always kind of mean when you was little man,
it's them from being in the living room with all
the older folks, you know what I mean, getting kicked
out because you're too young.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Anybody's smoking weed, dancing and you know what I mean,
your mother's playing all the Oddsley Brothers shits and you
know what I mean. That's when you back at that
time when we was little, we had afros and shit. Yeah,
so were picking up the broom thinking you was Michael
Jackson and you know what I mean, all this other shit.
But it was just it was just the tone that
was set in the crib at that time. It was
it was it was it was you know, my mom's

(27:03):
they set the tone. We don't even knowing they set
the tone, yeah, you know what I mean. It was
because they were just jamming to ship, you know what
I mean, and that ship just stayed with me. So
when I hear it, it was like you remember that,
like oh ship yo.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
And to be.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Honest with you, that's that music is like the most
flies music.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's not even close. It's not It's not like you.
They ain't making music like that no more. That's why
I sample a lot.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Yeah, that's why I do a lot of them system.
When I did holler on Fish Get, I rhymed over that,
over the words and everything, because I don't I don't
hear words. I just know where I'm at in the groove,
like like yo, and just get it, even with the
even with the sit on Supreme, the common Door ship. Yeah,
the fuck is that zoom?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Like Yo?

Speaker 5 (27:46):
The words was like yo, I don't hear the words.
I want to get that, you know what I mean,
because I'm not getting in nowhere else.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's so yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
And I mean, was that something that you put to
Rizza when it came to doing your solo ship, like
we leaning this way.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I know you're on the dirty ass are.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Shit, But I ain't. At that time, I was just
finding myself. I was finding myself. I even had to
talk to Riza about what that with the who did?
What was is like now when he played a couple
of those beats like all I got is you and
all that, I didn't know what I was going to
do to it.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I just know I wanted it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
When I took it home and I started with McCall,
it made me reflect on my struggle growing up.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
You know what I mean, three bedrooms with.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Fifteen of us and all these you know what I
mean in the apartment and roaches everywhere and this and
that and the third and muscle of justst to fee
my brothers like it's like it just That's why I say,
sometimes the beat speaks to you. It speaks like you
know what I mean and I and it made me
just pull my life out on that. So now when
even when I hear that right and I can't really

(28:48):
like hear it, hear it because it lated you a
place you it was different. Sometime it can make me
sad or it might make me feel like, yo, damn tone,
you don't spill the guts, you don't told ship that
the average nigga would be embarrassed to saying, you know
what I mean, talk about they got roaches. But it's like, Yo,
that's the most ill shit because when like real, when

(29:10):
I said it, I got niggas, I got I got
people just from all over like Yo, even in the South,
like Yo. That's my ship because they could relate absolutely,
you know what I mean. I was the only one
that was in the struggle. Yeah, And that's it.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
That's that's that's my gauge of finding out somebody's sociopath.
If you play that record and don't cry, you're a sociopath.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
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Speaker 5 (29:30):
People cryed off that.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And you don't tear up something's wrong.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah.

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Speaker 2 (31:48):
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Speaker 4 (31:48):
Growing up in New York, I remember hearing the rumor,
and it was because y'all was two of my favorite
rappers at the time. Is there any truth to the
rum that you and Mace got into it at the tunnel?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
No? Where did that come from? Whe did that rumor
come from?

Speaker 5 (32:03):
I never heard that rumor really No, I mean that
mean Ma's getting at you at the tunnel?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, hell, that was a big rumor. Oh nah, it was.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
It was so many rumors, man, you know what I mean,
like just that when I heard fat Joe and you
know what I mean, like a lot, a lot of
a lot a lot. But it was no, I ain't
no truth to that. I don't even think I ever
seen Mace in the tongue.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
All right, So that's good to know.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
That was my favorite Mason. Yeah, I just feel a
little gostly. But even Kanye wrapped that, you know, my
face felt. You would know how Mace felt. And I
think that was in regards to you. That was gospel ship.
But even Kanye's wrapped that ship before.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
I was like I know that, Yeah, I know he's Yeah,
I didn't think when he said, I ain't think of
nothing that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I didn't think that deep into it. Yeah, it
was bulletproof.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I was the first UH rap album that suffered from
sample clearences.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I remember it being on a real big example.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
First of all, one of the slick Rick joints that
that I had called the Sun. If I would have
had three records on there, let me tell you something
that that album would have just been ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Like you mean that's a classic.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
No, listen, Nah, you didn't when I had to watch,
I had to watch on that. They took the watch off.
I had the son with slick Rick me slick Rick Kwan.
They took that ship off, and it was another one
that oh the Flowers beat, the Flowers beat. They changed
the original beat the Flowers, you know what I mean.
So I had to I had to change it. Like

(33:30):
if I would have kept my rigion all that ship
up there, Yo, bro, it's it's yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
How to do these ships. Man.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
No one listen one thousand for you to say that
it would have been better than it already it's a classic.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
It's listen with those other three on it. Listen, it
would have it had been some ship.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Bro, that's crazy. I'm trying to tell you that as wild.
I'm trying to tell you, yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
What was the the slick Rick We actually what you
just talking about this week the Fades Black movie. When
you perform with Beyonce at the Garden, Yeah, he Flickrick
came with all came George. How long has your relationship
been so close that way? Because Yeah, when he pulled
up and just was taking all the jewels, I was
gonna come like he was gonna come.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
With all his I didn't say nothing. I didn't say yeah.
I tried to say, I know what he was doing
that something.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Like I'm not.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
You know what I mean? But I didn't know he
was gonna slide through you know what I mean. I
don't know if that's you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Because I reached out to him and I was like yo,
because I had a bag for him to be like, Yo, listen,
I'm going on the stage with Beyonce. You know what
I mean the Garden, Yo, Rick, let me just hold
something whatever, whatever the case may be, this and that
the third but you know that's the surprise possession. So yeah,
at first, I don't know. I don't know if I

(34:57):
didn't think he was gonna come, you know what I mean.
So I didn't know he was going to slide through
whatever the case may be. At the venue, yeah, So
I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, you know,
so I wasn't even thinking about it, Like we didn't
even talk about it no more, because I think he
might have told me, like y'all said something in whatever

(35:18):
case may Anyway, he was like, I didn't think, what's happening.
So when I'm near, you know, be back there, you
know me Beyonce, this and that, the third and then
all of a sudden, like you know, he came out
of nowhere. She on stage doing her ship. Yeah, you know,
he came out. He came to me at thet I

(35:39):
think while that ship was on, while she was doing that,
the record was cleaning. Yeah, it was like he just
he was like he had he had his little bag
and he just started throwing ships on me.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Like I just got heavier and heavy and heavier.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
It was like it was like it was like the
power bridge, like oh ship. So I walk out, I'm
walking out and and all of a sudden, the verse
just left me and left. I'm like, but my part
is getting ready to come, and I'm getting ready, you know,

(36:19):
I'm getting ready to get ready to go. So I'm
like I'm like, oh ship, I asked my manager. I say, Yo,
what's what's what's what's the funk? What's the ship? What's
what's the first ball? I just need the first ball.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
That's all I need.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
The first ball. I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it.
So I'm like, oh ship, she you on fucking stage.
I'm like, oh, I can't go over for the thirty thousand,
my god, and just either get boot or or just
like don't go. I'm like, oh ship. So I'm like

(36:54):
it's coming, like she's getting closer, getting closer, getting closer.
So I start walking up, walking up, I'm shit gone.
So all I can see is like it's slow motion.
I saw just Dame Dash's face when he looked at
me from the side, because niggas ain't seen me with
all that ship on. He just looked at me and said, oh,

(37:17):
I ain't even hear him. I just read his mouth
like oh ship boom like and I'm like, the steps
is right there, nigga, just go, I said, and got it,
and I'm like, oh ship.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
But when it came, it was god.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
He just it was just like I think he just
like kicked me or slapped me foul. I should sit
back in there and it just came, I said, Joe,
and I just flowed that ship. When she seen me
with all that shut up, she was like, yeah, because
we did rehearschel, you know it was regular ship.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, she seen that.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Like I was the craziest fear was like, oh ship,
this nigga one of them niggas.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, yeah, that jewelry was I was great.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I was at the show that night and when you
came out, we didn't know that that was slick Rick jewelry.
We just thought that was ghost on his bullshit. I'm
throwing everything on the night when Fade the Black came out,
we saw Rick putting it. I was like, oh that
that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, because when you came.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Out with the role, but that was Tony Starks. We
don't know ghosts got all this ship from Yo the Garden.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
That might have been one of the best times, probably
the best time without the clans that that I ever had,
like on stage, like like as Father was like hearing
the raw from the crowd that summertime renew that we
couldn't believe y'all that because I was cool. I'm like, yo,
because Jay didn't even let Sean Paul do his ship.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Nah, I'm like, man, niggas you're calling me.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah, it's like yo, so drusted me up there just
to get ahead.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
And but that was so beat with his girl.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
That was so crazy because that when that record came out,
everybody loved.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
That was like a case that I gave it to Slave.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
I remember what the slave because I was in Miami
doing pretty Tony and my man down there. Uh uh
Tom of Rock he got the DJ Tom of Rock,
Yeah he got he He said, Yo, I got this
joint for you, Beyonce, joint anything, Beyonce, give it to me,
you know what I mean? Boom, and I heard that

(39:26):
it was over. That was that was it. I'm like, oh,
I'm demo. When this ship wait just tomorrow. Bo did
that ship when laid it down came on what yo?
I sent it straight to slave and Slave was the
one that did it. I remember, Yeah, you know what
I mean. But I didn't know he had because he
wasn't on it. Yeah, and then he tried to play
his ship afterwards, and ship I guess that might have

(39:48):
been his ship. Would I don't know whatever whatever he
could be lying, I don't know. Anyway, it ain't work.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Any word.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Even that wasn't never the official remix. That was the
official remix for sure. So how quick like how quickly
did Slick Rick ask for his jewelry back? Because I
would have exited like staged right Nigga had left and
I would have held.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
On for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Man, Listen, man, I was grateful he came to do
what he what he He just did what he.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Did and I got that stage. I went back to
the room.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Yeah, that was it, yo, looking ship that Nigga back,
that was it.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
That moment was like that was it because I mean,
I'm guessing that's the only time y'all ever performed that
record together. Yes, like to be in the garden that
night and see that because nobody was expecting that ship
was in.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
And I forgot my ship, it felt magical. It was
like you knowing.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
That that was even crazy because looking back you came
out and it was like that's that's that's.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Good, yo, bro. I was scared, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (40:55):
I was tremendously scared just to go up on that
stage and just be like, uh, y'all and just be stuck.
It'd have been time for a snick of something you
want to get away?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, speaking of Snickers and kick cass and we was
talking off Mike. So Malt told the story when he
met styles people the first time and when he met
somebody that he idolized legend that they was exactly who
they thought they were. During COVID, DJ Premier put you
and I on text message to do an emotional Oranges

(41:26):
record where you had done two verses and I was
going to bring a certain amount of money cash to you.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
This is at the height of the fucking pandemic.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
You text me back and said, nah, God, I got diabetes.
You're not getting near me.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
It was me why you said? You said your nephew.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I still speak to you this day giving him the
cash and eventually when I get that record back from Universe,
we putting that ship out that Premier remixedge.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh so I did the record? Yeah, you did? Is
on it.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
You actually asked Premiere about it at Barclay's like a
few weeks ago. He had called me. He was like,
Ghost wants to put that ship out. I'm like, so
do I We got to hold on if you want
we get off mic remember you.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
So that was also because I remember premiere did have
me yes, something like that, and that was with my group.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, put us on a text and I'm to give
you the bread and she was like, nah, god, you're
not getting there me. I probably probably this was like
the height of the pandemic, right, nobody was wed No exactly,
A man, I ain't want to go nowhere.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Hell yeah, I'm I was holding my Breath'd be like, yo,
if you're showing it to breath every five minutes, I
was like trying to see if I hold my ship
thirty seconds, then if I if I hold it for
thirty something like that, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I'm good. I'm good.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
I'm doing that ship all the time. Like I want
you to bathroom mid three o'clock in the morning. To you,
I'm like, yeah, all that.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I'm good. Y'all go back to sleep, nigga.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Hell yeah, oh all right, so we got we don't
want to keep goost too much more. Of course, want
some questions from the audience or yeah for that. Anybody
got a question. Nobody got a question. Don't get shot now.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I had a question, you answered it, But what happened
to the your ego bracelet?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I'm just curious.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
Oh we still got that, Okay, Yeah, but I still
got it.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
My matter of fact, it is the only thing with
that one. It was like I brought it to the
video shoot, but I was gonna wear it. But Mama,
I was like, what's how was when was that?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
What year? It was that? When I did? Uh?

Speaker 5 (43:38):
That was bulletproof wlets Okay, because I did. I did
the ship with Lisa. Listen name Lisa. Now at least
right the car tim is the car Thomas ship.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, I had the burn on in there.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
I tried that bitch and back on like nowadays over
niggas to Yeah, you gotta get that ship.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Expanded with risk and if you work.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Yeah, you gotta get that that. My man from Beverly
Hills name is Jason.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Okay, Jason. Jason made that.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
In Beverly Hills. You know you do all the NBA
rings now the championship, Yeah know, he do everything, super
Bowl rings, all that did he did this? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
you do all that ship?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah? Hell yeah, that's what.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
That should be his logo, that that piece that he
didn't want archonic ship.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
I really liked hearing about how you're like a student
of soul like and how you know you grew up
with certain songs and things and memories that are attached
to that. So my first question is what's your favorite song?
And then my second question is is there a sample
that you haven't touched yet that you're waiting.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
To a sample? Man, curse, let's get to that.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
It's so many samples, you know what I mean, Stevie
Wonders samples all like that. I really want to go
in on like a lot of a lot of those.
It's a lot of old samples like from the seventies
and ship like that like that I haven't touched, like
like yo, when I hear them certain records out here,
it's like, yo, you know, I want to murder that
ship like that.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So, but and what's the other one?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
You said your favorite song was?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
What's your song?

Speaker 5 (45:17):
I can't just a song I did or just a
regular just a g you heard. Damn, it's a lot, yo,
It's like, you know, it's it's it's a lot. I
came in, I came, he answered, I'm sorry, because it's
you got, you got Jackson five, you got Curtis Mayfield,
you got, you got, you got new Birth and all

(45:37):
these the moments and you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Or ship? You know what I mean? What's what's what's the.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
One that mean them? I want to go outside, you
know what I mean. I murdered that before, but they
took it off. Supreme Clentel the first one. Yeah, Mama,
how my album? Because I did this ship. I snuck
it on it, okay, and then when they took it off,
the whole track listing was fucked up.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, he was like, Yo, what the fuck is this?
You know what I mean? Like that word. But it's
like it's just so much.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
I'm a fan of all that ship back then and
I miss it. It's just if I can murder all
them ships, I'll do it. But yeah, it's just I
can't even narron with down because once you hear one
then you'd be like, oh, ship, this should put you
on his own.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Man, I feel like Wizards of Poetry might be just
if I'm I'm guessing would be one of your favorite
albums to make. So it's to me, like I love
that just because it was like Ghost always wanted.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
I always wanted to write stories like that. So when
I got a chance to do it and do it
for depth, Jam and shit, it was like, yo, at
least I got one off my back, like with all
that you had Raheen Devine and a stale and.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah I mean John, Yeah all that ship.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Like I felt like the album to me again as
a fan, that that was the first one Ghost was
just by himself and got to do anything he wanted
to do, like yeah shouting Lenny.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Yes, you know what I mean, because he was the
one that was like getting these guys and females on
the doing the hooks for me and all that and
shit like that. But it's like a big on R
and B. So it was like when I was catching
it, it was like a cool and and that was it.
But that is like my best one. I love that
project reason Wright and it was just right and yeah

(47:18):
and Deth Jams just dropped the ball on it.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
They even running the John legend. You like what happened?
I said, Yo, bro, I don't.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
I don't even know how to answer them, like you
know what I mean because I knew what he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Yeah, there's the things that all of the great rappers
are major R and B heads.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Like is it that's what is it about?

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Like?

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Because I think that you have to be into R
and B in order to rap, because it's just melodies
and different you know, rhythms and things like that. Like
but all of the great MC's all will tell you,
like all I listened to is R and B.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
What is it about?

Speaker 5 (47:49):
I mean, it calms you man. It's like it's like
it's just it just hits the soul. It's just different
rappers rap, don't get me wrong. But when you can
just get into another world and just go into that
world there and I don't know, it just it just
hits different, like I could do all day without rap,
like you know what I mean, just yeah, just just
just just yo, put on that eighties fucking on, be

(48:10):
all that ship like that, and then you could go
back to like the regular soul, all that ship, the moments,
all these stylistic niggas, and you know what I mean,
It's like it just hits different and you could feel it,
like I guess, I guess, I guess because everything is
so digital now.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Back then you had to play them instruments.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
You could feel a sweat dripping off the motherfucker, you
know what I mean, Like, oh, ship, so it's just
going to your soul different, like like Yo will make
you like when they be singing about love songs, David
Roughing and all that ship, Like it's like it's that voice,
that scratchy ship that's like you in a kitchen with
this nigga, Like, oh shit, like you just you could

(48:50):
feel love real real, not this bullshit you feel it.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, So that's that's the difference.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
Like this little ship that's going on here is different nigga,
you know, so we'll disrespect a lot of this ship.
You can't even funk off a nigga.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Not it's like Luther.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Yeah, it's like it's like.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
It's it's it's listen, man, is there any R and
b acx now that you suk.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
With the R and b ax.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Now now you got you got voices out there, you
got you got some ship. But it ain't like back No.
I mean, I don't think anything, you know, but I do.
I do want to do records with my man, the
new guy that just Leon Thomas. Leon Thomas was gonna mutt.
I can hear that.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Much?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
That was I know he was talking about Its funny
when he played me mouth for the first time before
even the Gibbs remix came out. The first thing I
said to him in the studio when he played that
for me before it came out, I said, GHO should
be honest.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I want to, I said, I wanted it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
One of the first sounds like this is ghost Man
hell yeah. Then I got to hear other beats that
he had. It's like, yo, and connect y'all. I'll connect y'all.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Bet Yeah, LETA lead you to that.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
I shold to Dollard Buncle Trump somewhere in a weird
place like at the Wu Tang showed somewhere he was
one of these.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
We was some weird ass.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Fucking town and he happened to be up in the
barn ship like oh ship, like yo, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
What I mean? But yeah, do that.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
No, I definitely is one of them too, though like
could have been from the seventies. To me, tie is
that talented Dollar is one of them maybe as well
outside and it makes sense to him and Leon.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
One of that's the nice slope.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Yeah, he he got. I want to work with him.
Laurence Hill work with Laurman too, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Did you guys ever like run into each other often
or when you know he was more outside and younger.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Did you run into Lauren? Nah, because I've seen that.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
We did a show together at the Uptown at the
I think the State Building and ship, and that might
have been like the only time I think I've ever
seen that though I loved her since. I even told
her that this time when he when he was on
the on the Woochang run came out and like I
told her, I'm like, yo, beaush not. I told her,

(51:16):
won't we exchange numbers? I told her again, like yo,
she only checked that. Probably that that made that They
made me cry, like you know what I mean? And
then and that and that and them tears came from
the unplugged album when she was crying.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
She made me cry.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Right, I bought before we started the courting. I literally
took the vinyl right there and went to the gas register.
And but I said, they got the unplugged vinyl here?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
That miss But.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
Yeah, so it was that was the power, like you
know what I mean, I felt her. Yeah, so you know, yeah,
shout Laurence.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Her son's ion now is making it.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Is fire like we don't want to keeps man, you
want to listen, man, from the kid growing up in
the Bronx who saved a lounge to buy your first album.
Thank you brother, Honored to meet you and honest and.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Appreciate everything you've given us in the culture. We appreciate
all of the bars. And just for me, for mos sake,
can we get a show soon because your personality is
too big?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Just rap.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
You got to be on TV every Sunday around eight pm.
On TV every Sunday at eight pm.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Man, yeah, man, Now we're talking about something like that though.
But you know when it if by the grease of God,
if a manifest and manifest you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
That's a fact. Yeah, that's you know, that's ship might
got you all this, So let's make it happen. Let's
get it. That's show's face. He's just ginger peach. Love love, love,