Checking In With Hitmaka

Rory and Mal check in with Hitmaka and get the story behind his appearance on Cam Newton's pod, how he and HitBoy squashed their beef, and play "This or That" with his biggest hits #volume

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Alright ready are we keeping that?

Speaker 1 (00:10):
No?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
No, you can't.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
We're doing wrong. Start this is all right, this is
the intro we started. We started, are you feeling broke?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
I feel great?

Speaker 5 (00:25):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
You listen, man, you came in. You walked in, man,
and we got right to the ship. You and Cam
New and I booked with Cam New. I love Cam New,
and I thought the conversation was great, but I was like,
it was over my phone when I saw Cam New
and the b I said this, I didn't even hear
what I was talking. I said, this is about to
be crazy.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
It was a setup, bro, So I went, no, I'm bushing,
but I went and they just have very good producers,
I guess, And like towards the end of the ship,
he just did his own little game show like who
you fuck?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Volume moning. First of all, I was kind of taking back.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
He was drink Champs to go Tupac or Big and
taking Cam show it's a little different.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Name and shit that ain't even famous that. I'm like, whoa, yeah,
how did you do that? Me?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Rory was talking about that, and I was like, you
know that's because you know, Cam was just talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Him.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Wanted to know who his lady, like, if she has
anybody that he may know, any of his peers, if
she dated any of his peers, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I didn't think it was anything wrong with that, I said,
I can understand that, like Cam being an x NFL player,
you know, into sports. If there's anybody you may have dated,
let me know, because we're going to be in the
same moved. I don't want it to be uncomfortable, you
know how that goes. So I thought it was on
brand for him to have a conversation like, okay, name
the women that you slept with. So Rory was like, No,
that conversation was absolutely crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I think you handled it well.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I could see you were a litt uncomfortable, though, because
that's kind of nuts to just look at somebody like yo,
you beat, like.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
I don't even know you like what we were talking about, bro?
And they win crazy And I definitely got some calls
people and excited about it. But I tried to do
the best, you know, Yeah, I mean, because am I
technically lying on my dick? If I say I didn't beat.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I mean, but I think I line on my dick
a lot. And in the opposite way, though, Yeah, I
was like, no, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Fuck yeah, I like I never dated her or not.
It's documented. The only reason they know is because it's
on the internet.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah yeah, no, in that case, if it's already public knowledge,
then I don't think that.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
It was on It was on VH one.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, that that conversation. I was just like, yo, hit maker,
gonna find a way, boy to just end up in
the headlines.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Bro on some b.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yo, look at look at the jobs in America.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Somebody the night before that episode sat down at their
laptop and researched the people.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Going through you never mind never health restaurants.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
For that records, Like, he ain't asking, yo, what's your
favorite top ten that you got.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Mag and so three hundred and fifty million record its
eighteen number one.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, seven billions. You don't want to talk to them.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
About it is the head that super is what I'd
like to know.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Podcasting is crazy, man.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
While that was happening in your head, was there a
name that you were hoping he didn't say, and then
he was.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Like, fuck multiple everyone. I didn't even want that. I
didn't know that that was a segment in the show.
I thought we had a great podcast and then it
ended with that.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
But you have been doing a great job of not
being you know, not being messy. Yeah, because at one
point you kind of had this thing like, oh shit,
he about to go on camera and talk some shit.
It's about to be crazy. But I feel like in
the recent last couple of years, anytime I've seen you,
it's really been music focused. It's been like what you've
been doing, the great shit you've been doing. So to
see that cam back and forth, I was like, he

(03:41):
still got that dog in them.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah. But I'm kind of like like at this point, like,
am I just a character on the internet, because like
on some real shit, I'm not like that in person.
But like bro I said, I didn't need a hamburger,
a hot dog or a sandwich. They sent me death
threats like nigga, like they're in my DM, Like you
bitch ass, nigga, you never had a sandwich.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's why WHOA.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
You should see their views on ball and PEPSI because
it's fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Anything I say, they gonna twist it and turn it.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
But do you understand you you actually grew up in
front of the camp exactly. You were one of the
first people before viral was a word exactly. You were
one of the first people to go viral. But now,
as being in the industry as many years as you have,
having the legacy that you have, what do you think
about the current space as far as media and podcasts

(04:29):
and do you like this era, this generation of how
or the things that artists have to do to you know,
kind of promote and roll out. Do you like that
or do you kind of feel like we need to
kind of tape off of this a little bit and
go back to some older formats of doing things.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
I just think it's all shock value at this point,
and everybody just saying shit to get into the algorithm.
Like when Dame dash is on the Shit and he's
saying to us, hey, I'm doing all this crazy shit
to stay in the algorithm and he's Dane Dashed, and
what the fuck do we expect the nineteen twenty year
old kid to be doing? And I just think that
people gravitate more than negativity than positivity. Like, Yo, if

(05:03):
we come up here and we have a great conversation
and we don't talk about how back Melissa Ford and
we don't do this all this other stuff or whatever,
then we don't go viral, right, But and.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's like the interview never happened.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Now if I come up here and I say some
dumb shit or whatever, but then it's like everywhere that
Cam Newton interview was fucking eight months ago.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Really, yes, bro, I didn't just do that. Oh so
it's just.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Okay now they just released it or no been out
bro and you.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Just read show crazy. Yeah bro?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
But hi, so hold, that's a whole nother s that interview.
But how does that make you feel? Like when it's
something like that that you you did eight months ago
starts to go viral today and like you may be
in a relationship, you may have found a lady that

(05:57):
you really love, and you like, how does that make
Like It's like I gotta deal with this shit?

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Like that's so old, bro. We're in the circus, bro,
Like it just is what it is at this point.
I'm telling you, Like, if you don't go viral, then
people feel like it never happened.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
So it's almost like check it out. Right, if I
just laid back and I'm just in the studio, I
don't post no videos and me creating in the studio
with these different artsts niggas gonna say I fell off.
I purposely have taken my tag off of all the
records that are on the radio right now, just to
confuse motherfuckers to where it's like what's going on. It's
where they go check the credits and they see what's
really happening. But it's like this shit is different now, bro,

(06:34):
Like it's just all based on why would you take
your tag off? I mean, I'm tired of hearing my
own tag, nigga. I done ran this shit. I had
a number one every year for ten years straight. Yeah,
but I mean I thought about changing my producer name
and just ghost producing over a whole different name.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
You're suffering from success or celerity, Like I'm just I'm
so sick of the shit number one.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I'm tired of hear my tag man take like number
four is my favorite number anyway.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I don't even know why I do this stuff.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
And shit, do you think your I guess, rebrand and comeback?
Do you think the messiness helped with Yeah, outside of
like the actual stats of what we know, because if
that was even a slow burn of like oh wait,
hitmakers Berg and you know, I'd like to think us
as podcasters specifically played a hand in exact rerd y'all did.

(07:24):
But do you think the messiness is really what helped
push that forward?

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Well, the rebrand kind of started on love and hip hop.
So when I did that, and like the crazy part
is that I didn't know that like love and hip
hop was like guilty pleasures for like a Nicki Minaj
and shit like that. Like I knew at that time
Cremona Scott had beenness. Remember they had the mixed Moscato
and shit. I knew she was aware of what was
going on. And then once I was working with Nicki
and she was just like, yo, like you're hilarious on

(07:50):
this ship. You could say my name, say you working
with me, say you're doing this, that and the third.
So at that point I was in the thick of
some bullshit when I was rebranding, like I literally back
to LA So this is.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
What really happened.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
I was living in Atlanta, and I was miserable because
Atlanta was real clickie at the time, Like it would
be Polo and them over there, and it me such
and such and them over there, tee painting them over
And I wasn't like Nigga I thought I had e
boler at the time because niggas just wasn't fucking with
young Bird. Like it was like, nah, I don't let
him in, don't do this, don't do that. So was
it the stigma that you had with you? Like, No,
it wasn't about being messy. I was the first person

(08:24):
that went through trials and tribulations on World Star and
shit like that or whatever, So it just wasn't a
good look to be around me. Like it was just
like I wasn't cool. So at that point, I'm like, damn.
I wrote this record at a studio and I fucking
sent it to Vincent Herbert's cousin and he ended up
getting the record to Vincent Herbert and Tamar Braxton, which
Tamar and Vince had that TV show at the time

(08:46):
and they had all that shit going on. They flew
me to LA and I did the record for him,
and that's what prompted me to move back to LA
and like be on love and hip hop. That's when
the girl Hatze and ray J and all them reached
out to me, like, Yo, you could do this Da
dah dah would be great TV. It would be good
for us and That's how it just started. And then
at that point, once it said action on that shit,
it was all bullshit from them.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
It was all black bow. You never can make this
shit up.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
I started the show and this was so fucked up,
and maybe I am being messy right now. I won't
name no names or whatever, but the show started so
like it was a mixer meeting and like moaning them
all there and they show you all the girls on
the show. They're like, who you slept with on this cast?
They'd be like her, her, her, blah blah blah blah.
So they like brewing up the fucking gumbo before you

(09:32):
been getting into this shit. So when I got there,
another woman who's also very popular now and very famous
or whatever, who I won't say a name out of
respect to whatever situation is. She was my girlfriend on
the show. So we dated and she was my girlfriend.
We filmed for then there three months. I went to
Miami to work with Puff when he was doing like
money making Mitch that album whatever. And when I went

(09:53):
to Miami, me and a girl that fell out and
then fucking on when I got back, they fired her
off the show and then they just d me at
Hazel ye house like, Yo, like, hey, yo up literally.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
When doing arranged marriages, It's hilarious. Bro.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
When I got back from Miami, Yo, when I got
back from Miami, that's what they said. They sent me
a text, They like, you'll wear some gem shorts, tank
top T shirt. I'm thinking I'm gonna play basketball for
one of these niggas, and they dropped. So at that point,
I'm like, yo, I quit the show. I'm not gonna
do this ship. You know what I'm saying, bro, Nigga

(10:32):
Mona Scott appeared like Cohoelea out in there like Barrick
and my Stevie JB loving hip hop Hollywood. We fired
such and such, just going there and be yourself. So
when I'm in the episode and I'm like, Yo, you're
not my girl, You've never been my girl, it's reality,
Like you know, I was just I don't even know you.

(10:54):
Granted I'd already known Hazel and she broke me to
the show and all other stuff, and we got much
love and respect for her, but it was insane that
they fired this beautiful girl off the show who I
was actually yeah, and then they just dropped me in there.
And then that's how that happened, and then at a
certain point I was just like fuck it, like this
what it is, and this is what it is. And

(11:16):
I think in her mind she was like fuck it too,
and it just was a fucking snowball effect from there,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And shit, it got wicked.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
I mean, that's the only way to be successful on
love of hip hop, it's to say fuck it.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Why even do it? Like if you're just gonna kind
of just play the middle.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, you can't. You can't do love and hip hop
and try to have this moral ground and yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Just I don't like the quiet one in the corner.
It's like, it's not gonna work. What's the point of
doing it?

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Es actually when the finances coming to play, because it's
not like we're getting paid, like for a shooting. We'll
shoot for fucking nine months and you don't get paid.
I'm talking about Nigga Head the Toe in Tzara. I'm
spending every dollar in Tzara to have a decent outfit
or whatever time, cause niggas was fucked up, ain't nobody
really had no money at that time. And then shit,
you don't get paid. Into the episode, eras. So if
you're not in the episode you shot for nine months,

(12:01):
you could have.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Been doing that.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
They clipped you from it. You don't get paid. We
have thirty two hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah you know that is yeah, come here, Hazel, I
come here, Yo, I'm looking at it.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Caunt.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
I love you, I respect you. You are a great woman.
That was twenty fourteen, eleven years ago. Long on twelve
no spoke, and I'm glad to see everybody's moved on
and being successful.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I respect that.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
But that's just while knowing that that's how that started.
Like they literally dropped you off there. Now, if I
go back and look, I could be like, I could
see why Bird came across as an asshole on this shit.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
They like, I don't even know what y'all got me
in here doing, Like y'all dropped me off as some girls.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
And I don't.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Really you're leaving out of a big part of his
story though, that we didn't just leaving the money making
mitched sessions to them be dropped off at Hazel and yo.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
But remember I went viral from the puff shit when
I was talking to ray J and you was like,
what did you say? That when I was doing them sessions,
the money making this shit, that's when he said that
wild shit to me.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Oh okay, see when he puts it like that. Okay,
so now we com petting together like all right. So
him mak ain't as crazy as y'all try to make him.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
See No, And I don't think it's crazy that did
he tried to hit on him. That checks out.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
I feel like, yo, checks out? Did you not read
the paperwork? That guy's nuts, yo, producer? He could He
ain't had to throw me nothing.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I would have.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
He just couldn't been in the room. I would have
took care of Cassie for him. You know what I'm saying,
Free of charge. Yeah, you gotta pay me for that.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
You mean off the.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Strength of the house. This is what I do. That
would be your verse swap. You canna have his beat
for free?

Speaker 5 (13:36):
Yah? Sure, I'll pay every co producer. Don't worry about
it myself to be making joke type of ship. Everybody
chill out, free him. You know what I'm saying, Just
a nasty nigga. He'll be home soon, you know, and
is what it is.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
He needs to sit down for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
I hope he disappears and thing there and just like
it doesn't ruin his legacy anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
So me and Rory was talking about that, like what
what what? What do you feel like will be the
route he takes when he is released from prison. Does
he jump right back into the industry, to the mix
or does he go to Bali and live on the
beach for ten years?

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Like I would hope that he go like TD Jake's
you know what I'm saying, and just like clean up
his image, go lean into religion. But there's a strong
chance he might come out gangs the gay, gangster gay
is crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, yeah, I like Omar gangst the game.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
I'm talking about the wired nigga.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
But Yo, but do you feel like people? He kind
of has been a gangster gay for his whole career.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
But that's what I'm saying, do you even feel like people?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Is not for play?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Play?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Like do you think people even care?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Well?

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Now, I think he get out, he'll be sixty years old.
I just think that he needs to finish the rest
of his life off peacefully, to be honest, That's what
I wish for him, And I got mad respect for
his kids. I actually fuck with Christian and all them.
I've done all Christian records a lot of different shit.
So when I say this shit, I feel bad when
they go viral after the fact because it's like they
don't deserve you know what I'm saying at the ricochet

(15:00):
or whatever it is. But I just don't know how
to lie.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Bro. Like, if y'all ask me a question, I'm gonna
say the truth.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
If he gets out and hits you to work, would.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
You with absolutely not? All money ain't good money, that's
the fact. Yeah, I mean, but.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
If he was rehabilitated by the State of New York.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
You don't think you don't believe that, you don't New
York don't believe in our sorry traditional system.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, I don't.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
He should be fine when it gets recently again, come on, man.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
He's still the Mayorah.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
What else you've been working on? I mean, I didn't
know you took your tag off anything. Now I got
to go look at the credits to see what the
fu Yeah, like, why would you now don't know the
ship you're doing?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Man?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Like, I mean, I think I can kind of still
hear your sound though, but I think your sound is
your sound like you could take the tag off, like,
but I could. I could still hear your.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Sound though, what if everything? I don't know. I'm looking
my Graham. I don't even know.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Bro, I'm in the matrix right now, for real, for real.
So to be honest, ship all projects on. Probably got
I got like four on Tie Dollars sign that come
out Friday. Probably did like eight on Chris Brown new
album is about to come out. Shit, I'm on Wive Fan,
Lucci new album.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I'm on everybody.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
I'm Joey Badass, everything, g Herbo, anything that's dropping that's
coming out, I'm on it.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
I mean, it ain't a year that I don't have
one hundred placements, Like it's been that way for like
three years.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
For you.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Whatever happened to that record when we was in the
studio you played with man? That shit was crazy. I
think it was t I Cardy. Yeah, that was supposed
to be for my producer album, but it's just song
was Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
That shit is it? Two Chains was on it.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I did it with Take Keith and a few other
co producers. But it's just so hard to do a
produce album, bro, Like I know, Rory Ken, you know
what I'm saying, like, when you're not the artist in
the lead of doing an album, it's so many different
moving parts and shing you'll get frustrated with it. And
it kind of like I serve as such a large
crowd of artists that it's kind of like to stop that.

(16:54):
To do a DJ calilbum, you literally have to stop
working with people and just work on that. And it's
just like not benefit Like if I'm getting like thirty
forty grand a record, Like, am I going to stop
getting thirty forty grand a record when I'm doing a
hundred of them a year just.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
To work on my project? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Nah, don't make sense because I thought you were going
to lean into that route. Forgive me, what's the name
of the record? Lot was on it?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Godbox?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I was on that record. Is that record?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah? It's platinum.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
I love that it's on that But I mean that's
when I kind of like parted ways with Atlantic Records.
So at that time, like just being transparent, La Reader
offered me a label deal while I was working for
Atlantic Records, and they never offered me a label deal.
So I did all these big records for all the
artists that were on Atlantic, but they never approached me
with a label situation. So when I went to Craig,

(17:39):
I'm like, yo, the nigga's offer me two million dollars
to my pocket, like you know, like I need to
get this two million, like I don't care what. And
he was like, you know what, your family, we're going
to give you the deal. Just give us some time.
And then they end up giving me a deal. They
end up giving me more money than what La was
gonna do or whatever. But I just think it was
because it was more chasing the ambulance instead of just
being like like proactive, like, oh, this nigga's killing it,

(18:03):
Let's give him his own joint venture.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Let's do it.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
And it was cut somebody else offered it to me,
and it just wasn't like the best situation for me.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So Empire made more sense moving forward.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Well, I mean to be honest, and I don't all right,
let me be super executive with this answer. Ghazi had
worked with Atlantic Records, like you know, they they upstreamed
from Empire at a certain point. So like Gazi did
Bodak Keelo, he did Broccoli, he did all these different
records whatever, And I don't think they he felt like
they handled him the best in that situation. So I

(18:32):
randomly just went to meet with Ghazi about something totally
different and we got to have a dialogue. And that's
what At that point, it was so turmoil at Atlantic.
I wanted to give them the money back that they
gave me, and then like a mentor of mind, like Nigga,
that's the music benits, you don't get nobody, no motherfucking
money back, right. But I was that mad and like
at the situation, just fakecoop until they drop you exactly

(18:54):
and me and shit Gazi came through like a g
and bought me out my deal. Oh that was and
that's how I went to Empire.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
How do I ask this without being super messy, But
this is a conversation I've been wanting to have with you,
So let's have it on.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Mike.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
You had a very talented writer artist. She did some
reference joints for you. And then one day Maul comes
up to me and says her name which we won't say,
and says, you know, she just got arrested for drug trafficking.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
You know she's out. I just seen it recently.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
I saw that I saw the ig activated shot her
DM's we welcome m.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I said, I said, welcome, hometown, welcome home. Her name alive,
Rory had I said this for my nigga's up.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Nor you don't even said that, Kite though Nah I didn't,
I definitely did.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
She's still beautiful. Yeah, she still has talent, very talented.
I don't know how close I can play her because
of the situation.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
But that was wild.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
That was the last person and maybe it was their
because you just had the most innocent face ever to
know that she was moving bricks across the country in
the U haul.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I never knew that.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
I just thought that she had a rich boyfriend because
she was always like even when I got her a
deal with Atlantic, like she nigga, Like she was pulling
up sl benz Is and shit like that or whatever.
But I'm thinking it's a dude that she sleeping with
that was financing the.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Situation she missed seventeen to five.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Jesus, Yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
You had, but You've been known to have like a
lot of talented artists. And I'll be like, damn, what
happened with Shorty? That was with bird Like she she
never really popped. I never really heard much from her,
and then I look up and it's like, y'all not
working together no more? Like you had some really really
talented artists literally in their careers. Who was the one

(20:48):
artist that you like?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Damn?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm mad that never transpired to what we thought it
would have been. Shit because I ain't gonna lie just
throwing her. I don't know what your relationship is now today,
and I hope I'm not now you good? But Malibu, Mitch, Yeah,
she's incredible, she isn't. I remember we was at when
you was at Jungle City. I think I was playing
a bunch of shit and we walked in and I'm like, yo,
who the fuck is that? And she stood up from

(21:09):
behind the board. I think she was writing back there
listen to the b and she was like, that's me.
And I was like, there's no way this small girl
sounds like that. Like her voice is very aligned with
Fox a little bit, Yeah, for sure. But to see
her and then to hear her and know that she's
writing that shit, I thought she was incredible. Then she's

(21:31):
still doing dope, She making dope records. She put out
a drunk I think Jeremiah I did that one too, fire, Like,
what's the relationship like with you?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Amalliable? It's great. I mean, it's not a bad thing.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
So she was my first sign in the Atlantic Records, okay,
and I was very happy to be a part of it.
But in reality, she's just like I think she just
got out that deal now and this is almost a
decade later, but she is just in a very bad
production deal, like a nasty, nasty She fell out with
the person who I did to deal with at Atlantic,
So then they fell out and then they kind of

(22:02):
like they went on some other shit, you know what
I'm saying, Like they wanted large amounts of money, they
wanted this. It was just a nasty relationship that I
had wasn't privy to because when I signed her, I
thought they they thing with smooth sailing, but.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
You know how that shit.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Yeah, and it's just like, unfortunately it ruined that moment.
But I think time and is everything bro Absolutely, I
think she got an opportunity to pop back out. But
I mean, well, now she's out that deal, so I
think it'll be way better.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Is there any artists that you haven't worked with, particularly
on the female side, that you like?

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Now, I got to get in the studio where we
got to get some joys together. I want to do
some shit with Marida scientists. I like her music.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Shit.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Whoever got a budget and you got a deal, nigga,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Who never got a budget? Whoever cut the check?

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Like, I don't got no picks, Like this shit is
strictly business for me. So it's like it ain't like
I'm running around here like nah, we don't you don't
you don't match my aesthetic?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Like ye, like fuck that the BUDGETO was talented, That's
why it. Now, you and Rory had a little tift. Yes,
Roy broke my heart? Bro Yeah, like what was that about?
Because we had spoken? I was like, yo, what the
fuck happened? And then me and you spoke and he
was like, yo, I didn't even know that it was
nothing that Like me and.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Rory did escape the room together.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
We got I gave I gave some unbelievable snippets to
you guys. You guys were my an RS before I
was at an R.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
In the end. Now my dog lined me up, yo?
Why you lined up?

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Berg Man?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
What's up? Man?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Do we talk about it?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
BT?

Speaker 4 (23:32):
We talked about on this episode, but did we talked
about BT briefly.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah. I was with hit Boy in La at Challice
and he.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Was just playing me ship and he was putting out
the record with Alchemists, the first one and play me
his producer control if you will, where he was naming
names and I hit Berg after I heard it, and
I was like, I don't think it's no disrespect, Like
I was going to post this clip, but I called
him first, thinking I was being a good friend and
going and hit Boy was in, you know, like a

(24:04):
good wees like it's no static whatever. But then when
I posted it, Berg called me and cursed me the
funk out when I was at LAX.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I was so mad.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Cursed me the fuck out while I was at LA.
I ain't know what's gonna be that. I an't know
the clip was that.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
You know which I still give him credit of one
of the better digs that somebody has said to me
where I'm getting yelled at and I wanted to laugh
because I.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Thought it was a great job. He was like, you
could use the relevance. I was like, damn, like that
one such.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
An eloquent way. You use the relevance.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
But then once we did.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Talk I did get his perspective because there was a
line in there that I kind of ignored that was like.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Personal to to burg.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
So I understand I got it at that point, but
my intentions weren't that.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
But I made a mistake. I apologize for the entire thing.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I mean, well, y'all, y'all good now. I just wanted
to kind of just bring it. How did they go
from there? Though?

Speaker 5 (24:59):
I think I went a hot ninety seven and I
said some shit like hit Boy is a legend, but
this radio shit is my ship.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
This is what I do.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
Like he good a way, and then it was all
downhill from there. But y'all, y'all still cool though, Right,
We just actually spoke for the first time in Vegas,
and uh, I was I was really just casually walking
up to get a new key for my hotel room
by myself at the polls goes to Vegas and yeah,
I'm standing in line and then motherfucker like tap me
and I turned around. It's him, his security and a

(25:29):
couple other girls and he's like, bro, like, you know,
that shit ain't really about nothing, you know what I'm saying.
I'm like, bro, it was never about nothing, Like for real,
for real, and he was like, man, you know, let's
exchange numbers. Let's really you know what I'm saying, tap
in this and the third and then I think, like
a day or two, lady, like y'all, I did roorya
Ma and I spoke about you or whatever and all love.
I'm gonna do Rory and mall too and speak high
you because I think that that's that's dope, that it

(25:51):
ain't gotta be no bulls shit, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
What I'm saying. It's all really just music. Me and him.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
He ain't no street nigga. I ain't no street nigga cool.
He's one of the coolest guys. You one of the coolest.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
So when I saw that, I was like, I hope
that don't Why do you think he was so perturbed
about me that was saying that it is because our
names are similar?

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Because I think I think a lot of that ship
is a lot of it is just you know, when
I maybe looking at my phone and hear somebody say
something about me, who I'm with, what they got to
say about it, A lot of that adds to it.
Why he talking crazy like that? And it's like, then
you start to take on some of that energy, like yeah,

(26:29):
he talking slick, like what's someone homie? And it's like
but when you really get to it, like you said
you seen him in the hotels, like, bro that shit
ain't about nothing, bro Like, And it makes more sense
for y'all to be cool and actually work together because
y'all are both two super talented dudes that have owned
the charts and the airwaves for however many years. Why
not like talk about it like ya, that's nothing. Let's

(26:51):
get to this this this bag, let's let's make some
money together, let's make history together. To me, that makes
more sense because both of y'all are two of the
coolest niggas ever.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
The only thing that I heard he said, I did,
And I'm just like, damn man, when when did I
start doing coke?

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Like Yo, NI put coke.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
On you insult my drums?

Speaker 4 (27:07):
But coke.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Then he said something like that, nigga's not a producer,
He's an R. I'm like, so I'm not, I'm not
an R enough for the a n R.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
A producer? Where the am I I'm just what am
I doing? What do I do? Here? Like?

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Am I just a nigga? That just hit a lick
out of nowhere, like what are we talking about it?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's so funny here dudes like talk about it like this,
like how would they be a perspective places like what
what is this about?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
But I mean you start to notice that with producers,
like when you get in studio with them, they're just
as loud and active as the rappers and the podcasters.
When it comes to this competition ship, they'll just do
it in more of a music nerdier way of like
how someone accutes their drums will be like a slight.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
It's how they talk shit.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
So I think hit boy, you saying like Yo, you'll
work with somebody with a budget and someone that you
fuck with. You're super active, hip boy, I think is
the exact same way. You are two of the A
list producers that do that. Most producers don't do that
shit at all. So I think because you guys are
so active, they're put some type of competition or sometimes
it's slight when he hears like yo, I do the

(28:11):
radio shit. He can do the other shit, but y'all
are both putting out shit every day. So maybe that's
where he started to feel like.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
I talk a lot of shit though, like I'm not
I'm not mad at him, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I talk a lot of shit, but I like.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
I kind of like, but you're not a bad person
though not fucking not a bad person. And not only that,
I like talking shit and delivering like that's what I
you know what I'm saying kind of like that's my thing.
Let's be competitive, like I want it. And I still
think I'm you know what I'm saying, Like you should
feel that way?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Am I supposed to say? No hit boys better than me?

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Like I wouldn't expect him to say that if they
asked him about Kanye And it's a nigga that he
did niggas in Paris with his biggest record. But I
think that moving forward, any nigga that's hating on me,
my career, what I've been through to be where I'm
at right now, you're just not happy with yourself and like,
like they say't like my shit, I'm like Rudy damn
there for the fucking.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Like this bounce.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Backstre Rudy.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Berg is definitely hip hop Rudy Like I made it,
Like what are you mad at me?

Speaker 5 (29:13):
There? Like like I came from the dirt with this
shit and had a change and revamp ale yea.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Your rebrand and your story is definitely like like so
like for the people that don't, I don't know how
you don't know berg story about now, but like it's
definitely one of the ones where you like, damn, like
he really been at this shit for years, like literally
grew up in the industry.

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(31:28):
How do you feel about the current scene with the
female MC's.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
I think right now, with the ladies, I mean shit,
they running shit. Yesterday we was having a real conversation.
Who are the top five male rappers in the game
right now, excluding all legends, any nigga that's.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Over thirty five?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I don't know youngy five male rappers.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I feel like young boys ambulance shasing too, because now
everybody just hip this shit, hes been doing this shit,
yeah years, you know what I'm saying. They see the
show now now it's a lot of ambulance shasing and
dick pulling.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
I mean but even with Young Boy though, like his numbers,
I'm admitted, like I don't listen to Young Boy like that,
but I've always known his numbers.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
We're fucking insane, like an astronomical I.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Love Young Boy. I can't funk a bitch that listening
and be a young boy though.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Or you're taking a that's a lot of women I'm
got now I'm good, I'm cool.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
But what specifically happened that made you change your mind
on It's just.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
It's just a thing, like you know, like it's too
young for me, Like I feel like I'm old now,
you know what I'm saying, like like this ain't it
ain't my lane. But I would say, like how we're
saying young boy?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, uh kodak, I'm trying to think.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
One of my favorites. One of my favorites too. But
I'm just talking about right now, like that's going crazy.
Uh yea fam, that's the white boy. He was trying
to throw something.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I'm just I don't listen white love.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
I don't listen to. I'm just trying to think of
I don't listen to either, no disrespect. But he does
crazy numbers. If we're doing to five culturally, yeah, damn.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
See when you when you when you frame it like that, really,
I really can't because once you say under thirty.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Five, I'm like I'm stuck.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I'm like, oh ship, yeah who Travis.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
But he's a legend.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yes, he's tea during the legend stature.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
And I don't look at him as a rapper. He's
an artist. He's just all around.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, cold, yeah, I mean yeah, I'm stuck. But I'm
thirty five.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
So so who's the next So who's the next superstar rap?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Nobody? I don't know. Male, I don't know right now.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's scary.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
So what what brought that question up? When talking about
the female you could name?

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah, you can name ten. What's the top five female
rappers right now?

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Go Nikki?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, no, no, no legend, no legends, its Cardigans to
the legend. You could lead him in there, go ahead,
who's number one? Nikki to me?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I agree, Naki Cardy.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Me, I'm going Gloriala oh ship Yeah, Coloreala for sure.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
I actually think that hot take. I think Loriller's album
is better than Cardi B's new album.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I didn't really yet what you got.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
I mean the previous one that just came out.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
She's the best current female river A couple couple, A
couple jun the Pleasure principal joint, the Janish joint was.
I feel like that was a record you could have did.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
I like that one.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
I think I like the other one with the random
I don't know what the girl name is sinking the
hook on it, but it's a it's a random girl
like Damn, I forget her name, but.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
A couple joints on I like the one that Lotto
just remixed, the ooh this ship. It's kind of hard,
But I mean, I don't know as a man, like
who's the last female rapper that you can just really
digest the project from. That's who I'm interested in working with.
I don't know like too many women rappers that I
feel comfortable playing that.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
That's that's I feel like she a legend too. Though
to me, I.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Would say incredible to that point, because I'm the same way.
Like as much as I like Cardi, I know Cardi
doesn't make music for me like I would say Dochi
and low sim would be the closest that I felt.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Like as a and I love top Dog, I love Doci,
but that content, my g, I'm not playing that. I
like you talking about her. Nigga is gay and this
that and the third or whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
It's very it's very not in my ferrari.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It's I get up, get out, Get the fuck out.
Don't ever tell me it's not in my ri. It's
not in my spectrum. It's not in Mama clearing. It
ain't even in my truck. You don't have anxiety in
your ferrari.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
No, No, if you hit a pothole, you have some
some anxiety.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
We got you gets no play in Erri. But they
shouldn't know. I'm a man.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
I think it's kind of like questionable if I do
pull up playing it.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
But then again, what has there been female rappers like.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Because age, I'm telling you that's what it is, Bro,
because I say the same ship. I'm like, Bro, I'm
not playing none of that, not because it's not good music.
I'm not saying that, not because they're not talented. It's
just not for me. I can't pull up playing that.
And I don't think that they're making that music expecting
somebody like me years old to be pulling up playing.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Even like we listened to Kim Quiet Storm Verse, but
like we weren't banging Notorious Kim.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
The music though the h Brown had an album that
you could play from top to bottom. What's the one
with China White and all that ship on the field
and the covers White, She's like a purple outfit or whatever. Yeah, nigga,
She's the last girl that you could really play like
hold your and not feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, like it ain't gonna be too much shake shaking
this like it was.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
That was before. It was all ass and pussy. Yeah,
I was just all ass and teeth.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, you know, the whole bitch is ass and teeth.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
A lot of teeth. They got the big teeth.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Oh us. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
I feel like for the past five, six, seven years, Yes,
the women have been running everything. I think that's starting
the plateau though. I think we're leaving that era. It's
all starting to fizz out where we know it's gonna
be Meg Lotto, Glorilla Cardi, Nikki sexy like there's not
and in flux the way it was before.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I think that eras done.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
I missed Meg a little bit. I love her delivery.
I think her delivery is super special, solid like we went.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
We was at Broccoli Fest last year and I was
telling Rory when she did the the Plan B record,
Meg good that ship looking around that's me too, No.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Tag, you did that.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I actually did not know.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
That's what we talked about here.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I did not know you did that. Doesn't even like so,
I guess sound like your traditional Sundar.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
To my brother Rob Holliday, who was also signed to
me as well, that's crazy. I didn't know you did
that record. But when she did that record in that stadium,
I told Rory, I was like, bro that. I was
not expecting them to respond to that record like that.
They went crazy, like the girls that they went crazy
at Broccoli shut down.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
This a girl, Okay, her name is New York, LA.
She's Gilly's daughter or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, she's on it. She got a record with that
I liked with uh uh. I don't know if it's Bryce.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
And she's on yeah, but she's she's super talented. Her
solo stuff is crazy.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
I'm executive producing her album. We just closed a major
label deal. Shout out to Gilly. Shout out to her.
They can announce where we closed the deal and I
ain't gonna let the cut out the bag. But her
album's done. Everybody's on her album. Talk about everybody.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
No, she's like legitimately, legitimately fight like the.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Time I've heard. I'm like, okay, I like her.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
She would have one.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Gilly first posted her long long time, even before the
Brent shit. I thought he was just posting some dope artists.
I didn't even know it's his daughter. I was like, oh,
she is ill and Jilly signed somebody like yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
She really good people man, Gilly his wife too, his daughter.
They did a good job with her. She's amazing and
I think she will be one of the biggest stars
next year, like hands.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Down even like her alternative shit is crazy too, Like
she does she can do pretty much everything.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I met her at super Bowl super cool chick, Like, yeah,
she's gonna be a superstar.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Anytime I've heard her, I was like, I like her.
Her sound is dope. What do you think about this
Jay Dawn kid? Is he? Is he the next one?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I love Jay Darn.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
You know he was signing Nick Cannon before La read
this nigga Nick Cannon has everybody like how you had
Kilani and all other shit. But that's when I first
initially met Jay Don And then I mean I just
got strong belief in whatever La Reed. Do you know
one thing, La Reid, he will drop the bag he's
going once he believes in you, He's going to make
sure that shit goes. I think that they took a
little bit of time because maybe aesthetically how tall he

(39:21):
is and how much dance and he does for people
to get like customed to that and lock in with that.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
But I think he found his lane. I like what
that record that he got out?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, I like him.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
But everybody's like, yo, he's the next Chris And I'm
just like, you know, when you hear that and then
you start looking you like, I see the talent. I
see the talent. But when you when you introduce this
to me and say this is the next Chris Brown,
I'm like, all right, weight hold on, Yeah, that's kind
of a but that's a big deal to me. That's
unfair to Jay.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Donna's like, what whole deal with bleak the new unapproved Jason? Yes,
it's that's what we can't do that. Those shoes are
leave those over there. Don't even try to step in
those shoes.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
But then and looking at him and looking at a
couple of videos, like you said, I'm like, okay, tall dances.
It's a little like you're a little too tall to
be dancing like this, bro, Like, but you I see
the talent.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
No, the nigga is literally like taller than Steph Curry.
Like the niggas literally a fucking NBA point guard. Yeah,
Like he's like at least six three six.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
But he dancing like Chris, like he moving and I'm
just like a little a little awkward at first on
the eye, but then listening to it, I'm like, he's
definitely talented, Like there's no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
The kid got talent.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
I got belief in Usher, Larry Jackson Man. You know
Usher signed them too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they gonna.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Figure that out.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
You're definite gonna figure it out.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
They did okay with Bieber.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, they got that one, right, he's a track Records
a right.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
What do you think of Tim Malin in his new
fucking AI artist video that he just did? He dancing
next to a fake person?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
And I got so much respect for Tim. I'll mean
to the next question, I don't even want to share
with my just out of how much.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I answer like this, I got a lot of respect.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
I just got so much respect for Tim, like and
his and his wife and everybody they family.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
I can't say nothing, but I mean even I saw
him in Guru going back and forth on Instagram in
a respectful way like Tim can handle.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I think the critiques without me.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Who answered that question and me answering question is two different.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
People for sure, for sure, But I mean, his peers
and people that he loves in respects have been critical
of him in this entire thing, like he's wrong. No,
he is, like, I think this is obviously you could
never fuck up a legacy like his, because he's one
of the greatest it's ever existed. But this is some
of the goofy your ladder career shit I've seen in

(41:34):
quite some time, and I get with it, dapping with
the times.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I'm not completely anti AI.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
But are you up on a souno shit or whatever? Yeah? Bro,
that shit fucked me up.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
We just did a write a writing camp in Vegas
for fucking Warner Chapel and Rams from fifteen hundred and
nothing was showing me the shit, and he like, Yo,
what name a song?

Speaker 3 (41:51):
A sample?

Speaker 5 (41:52):
I'm like, yo, ron Ossey between the sheets, he like,
all right, bet, he like what you want the song
to sound like. I'm like Tyler afrobeat this, that, and
the third he like, single melody into the phone, niggas.
He's like, all right, bet nigga. One minute later he
played me an entire song lyrics beat with the flip
of the sample, nigga a whole everything, nigga, and two

(42:13):
minutes later fuck me up and shit, wasn't drash.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
That's that's scary.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, I mean, that's my real issue with AI. Something
should be dope. That's the problem, the fact that it's good.
It's like, whoa, we got to chill with this.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
This that's scary. Man. Yeah, I don't ship like that.
To me is like now we just all the way
saying fuck the art of it all, Like I'm never on.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
The side of it. Fuck the art.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
No, I mean but for me too, Like with with
Tim's AI artists, like she they whatever the what what's
the right word to call AI person? I want you
like all right, that bitch, that AI bitch that she
has sucked in all of catalog like and higher music

(43:00):
catalog all his ship, like she now knows that he
should be paid for that. That's fucked up that Tim
is even like partaking in something where the peers are affected.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Hey, fam listen, you don't want to that's your god.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
But I'm just saying, like, well, it has to be
the money that's tech it gave him, like it.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Well, yeah, if you are kind of like trying to
push that software to the forefront and that type of vibe,
do you need a spokesperson for it, and who else
better than one of the biggest producers of all time.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, and I mean we speculated why everyone was selling
their catalogs for for years and years, and I think
we were right with our theories. But let's not act
like it wasn't for this AI back catalog shit too.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, Oh yes, it.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Was a bunch.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
It was a bunch of fucking tech companies buying up
Everybody's who you think somebody just randomly has a four
and a million for the Dream like on a Tuesday
and on.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
The board and Hypnosis too. That's why he was talking
so crazy to Sean Garrett because he remember Sean Garrett
in the verses he like he sold his catalog and yeah, like, nigga,
I own your catalog because he's on the board of
Hypnosis when he did his buy out for this deal.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
They put them on the board. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
That's that's that's like game going up and saying I'm
the ceover vote.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
But it's truly be real, bro, I ain't gonna lie
that dream good yo.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
It is nasty out here.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
Man.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Has anyone approached you on the publishing the.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Calo catalog what do you think I got spectras and
all the other shit, Bron, Like, I live in a
five million dollar house in Miami, no mortgage, no nothing.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
It's over. I can really retire right now. I don't
have to do it.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Whether Oh that's why you took your tags. So nigga,
you like, I'm home. It's the home stretch.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I'm in Florida, man, I'm all the way home.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
I'm trying to figure out my out, like because in
forty you know what I'm saying, Like, I ain't gonna
lie me and Roy was talking about this before this
shit that like the toad, that it takes on your
body to be in a studio, to drink six nights
a week, smoke six nights a week, to them long hours.
It's catching up to me, Bro, I've been doing this
shit for twenty years. So I'm gonna go back inside
the building one because I think that there is not

(44:55):
one an R with the exception of couple. I know
that you can specifically give any music to as a
producer and a writer. I don't know one nigga to
sent a song to that can get get it to
an artist that I want to any A and R.
So it to me is like it's not cool no more.
It's too much ambulance chasing, it's too much job security,
worrying about like I'm going to go back in a

(45:16):
building and really like change people lives. Like when I
first got in a building, it was really for me
to like shit on niggas like I'm me. I was
letting people know I'm him. Now the next chapter of
my career is just to be a blessing to other
people and really change people lives, which I've done already,
but just to really lock into it or whatever and
still go to the studio and work on the projects
that I'm executive producer for, but not just to go

(45:37):
one hundred placements a year, you know what I'm saying
like that type shit.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Yeah, I mean you were bringing up La Read and
I was going to ask like if he was the
last like music man exec in the business. And I
actually love to hear that you want to go back
into a building because that's what I feel any about.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Ain't no want, I'm about to go anytime? Yeah, the want.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Some people don't even want to go near a fucking
building anymore because it's a messing there. But when people
typically ask what's wrong with majors, I always say is
they have no music people in there, and A and
RS are legitimately good at data now, which is like,
all right, cool, I guess that's a part of it
and you have to adapt, But there's no music people
in there. Like la Read was a music person, like
that is why he was so good at his job,
not because he fucking knows P and L like that.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
He's a fucking music guy.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Like It's like, artists want to be criticized by people
that are actually doing what they're doing in real time.
I opposed to somebody getting data and saying why something
they working because it's a different conversation talking to some
guy in front of a computer or talking to the
guy in a studio that you actually respect his work,
you respect the songs that he did. The artists will
be able to be able to be artists developed better

(46:39):
because it's the person that's developing them. It's the one
that's seeing the game, that's lived through this shit. And
you could pinpoint different records and different moments like oh okay,
like he's doing he understands me.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
It's not like a disconnect.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
You know what I'm saying, So when I go back in,
it's going to be like, well, I'm going back in
very soon. I'll announced it, like in a couple of weeks.
But when I do it, it's just going to be
just because ain't nobody doing it. This shit is trash,
Like they didn't groom, like how we're talking about the
next class of rappers. They didn't really groom or allow
the next class of an rs and like that, because
I remember when we was at Atlantic Nigga, we had

(47:12):
the all star team me or Orlando Warrenberg, Sean Barron,
Dallas Martin. It was a fucking It was a bunch
of motherfuckers. But you know, like I guess the you
know when how the revolving door once was when you
see the Kaiser regime with depth sham and then it
transfers to Warner and you know what I'm saying, Like
it ain't happening like that for an R.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
They fired everybody, Yeah, which is kind of weird too,
Like even when Kaiser Juliano then went to Atlantic to
start the new regime, like their A and R is
a depth gym. Were people like IRV Gotti like producers
for sure, it's weird that they didn't want to keep
up with that even in the time.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I understand.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
I know it's fuckingata, but even now, like, why would
that not be a focus?

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Hit boy go inside the building. You pick a building,
I'm a pick a building. All the different people that's
a listers that really respect the that want to be
involved in that ship. I think that we all scoring
the building. Yeah, I think that'd be the hired a
hit boy after I left or whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
I think they did a partnership as well too.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
I don't know if it's just and even when they
would do the legal payol or with DJs like DJ's
are music people. Yes, they should be hired in your
building to tell you what the fuck is gonna work
and what's not gonna work. Absolutely, if that ship is
done now, it's playlisting for sure.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Bro, that got to come back a something.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Before we let you go.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I want to ask do you have any information on
the reco case that y J is putting together with
the federal government.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
For the Kardashian cartel. We want Raj on the show so.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Bad that I love Raid give a flying fuck about
anything anybody He's gonna do what you want to say,
what you want see.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Ray is a real smart nigga.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
See a lot of you want to think he was
glitching like this whole time, all this year, but he
was really trying to get into that space with them people.
And now you see Casanna and all them niggas fucking
with him.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
He made his way right.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
It's like like, but Ray has been He's again. Before
this all viral thing became a thing, he was that. Yeah,
like he was doing all of that type of ship.
That's why I understand what Sojier Boy was saying that
a lot. I know what he means.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, he was like when I did that, Like, he
was the first to do a lot of this ship.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It just has new names now, y'all. For sure there's
something different now.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah, Sojio Boy was the first viral song.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Absolutely ringtone, yeah, hitt and all of that.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Like he was.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
He was the first behind a lot of that ship.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
And I mean, shit, ray j everything in our culture,
it was the first.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Like literally, I'm trying to think, I'm thinking of every category.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
I'm pretty sure Raymond Jay did it first. Yeah, if
you really go through it, yo, bro, that nigga is
a legend. You know how long I've known a niggas.
So like, bro, we have done what's so crazy our record?
I got three records that's about to be dimon and
that's one.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Of them, Like just a full ray J project.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Sexy is about to be diming dang a song with
me and y J, which is a classic record.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Fucking yo, everyone that's listening now, stop what you're doing,
pause this podcast and go back to the Chris Brown
and ray J Blood mixtape.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
It's one of the greatest.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Like why all of us just like stop talking about
Chris Brown and ray J doing a blood mixtape together.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
It was like sixteen.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
He locked in with c B for a fucking blood
Every record is fired.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Ray J is fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
We did uh this little this of that segment. We
did it with JD, done it with JD. Uh, we
did with hit Boy. I felt like there was one
more either way. But yeah, we grab some of your
records where you have to pick which which one you
would pick out of the two.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
We'll start with bounce Back or Dangerous.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Mmm. I say bounce Back because it's about to be dining.
That's what my second that would be that would be fair.
But I think that Dangerous did something incredible for me
this when he first got out of jail, and it
was like the radio smash that kicked off everything for him.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Again.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, no, Dangerous was a joint.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Yeah, I think I got a lot of dangerous women
after me. But that was back because that just because
how organically it happened.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
John or Rule the World?

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Wow mmm, I'll probably say John because it's the bigger,
bigger record. But and nobody knew. I don't have a
tag on that record too. Shout out to Al the producer,
and that was a crazy story. So John was a song.
I went to work with Polo to Don and this
back when Roscoe Dash was signed to Polo to Don.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
So me and Roscoe Dash did a.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Song over the John beat that night at Interscope Studios
in LA and then somehow, some way, shit I guess,
Polo just took him up a song and sent to
beat the Wayne and then that's how it turned up
being John.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Yeah, I didn't even know you did John. So years
news later, do you still have the U and Roscoe
Dash version?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
I wish I did.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
That's got to be somewhere on YouTube. Somebody got took.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
That hard drive. Somebody leaked that ship for the first.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Time you heard it was whin like on the album
or yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
I wouldn't live like that my tagging, even though I
had to do the follow up after the back, get
my lawyers on it.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I need my credit you talking about it.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
But then didn't another version of that end up on teflon.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Down somebody did a similar beat. Yeah, it wasn't that.
It sounded like the dyet coke of John Yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Was the name of that? It was like the second
record I think on Tewana.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
It was the second record.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Damn it was hard but the John by was You
could tell the difference when you play them back.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
To back on it the one or favorite?

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Hmmm? The one was that record that I was telling
you that Vincent Herbert flew in. It flew me back
to LA and kind of like started my whole LA run.
But I would have to go favorite, just because man
like y'all don't understand them. Nicki Minine Sessions was amazing
and to me just the work that I put into
that record, Like a lot of people don't know that

(53:05):
I forget her name, Candice her last name. She used
to be signing Neo. That's her doing the sample shit
that you know that you need to ride up right
up right up right up. It's Aaron Ray doing the
fucking and all that other show record you know. So
that was a crazy time, like for real.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
I mean, just judging off Nikki's Twitter as of recent
I could only imagine what a private studio session with
her would be, Like, I mean, obviously there's NDAs on
NDAs and that, but what is a typical Nicki Minaj
session Like hmm.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Well, at that time, she worked at a studio called
Glenwood that was in Burbank. So I would just go
to the studio and she was like the first person
I've seen with like the booth, like just whatever her
move was, Like I remember walking the booth. It was
like a beach like Nigga had sand in the mooth,
like fucking beach balls, like they were.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
On some crazy shit.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
He was the first person I say, I mean with
the gigantic sign with their name on it inside the
studio and fucking for me. Like she would just she
would just be there sober, doing whatever she doing. I
would be getting overly drunk and fucking smoking weed and
then she just let me, gave me free reign. At
one point she was just like, Yo, this is juice,
this is my studio. Just go crazy, do whatever you

(54:21):
want to do. So with Favorite in general, Jeremiah came
to the studio. I was in another room. She was
in her room. She booked me another room, and I
was with her engineer while she was doing whatever she
was doing. And Jeremiah was like, heyo, buruh, I got
like seven minutes before I need to go to Lax.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
I'm like, nigga, what the fuck you even come to.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
The studio for in the first place, Like you got
seven minutes to do him on God.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
In my life, nigga.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
He went in there, he did one takedown and somehow,
some way he said, I just want to be your favorite.
I'm like, that's it, stopped him, got it, chopped it up,
copy paste to put it like four times, and told
him to dance around and he literally left in those
seven minutes.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
And that's how the hook.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
That's fucking that's wild. That's super wild. For what what's
her process like? Nikki as far as she like approaches.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Songs to me, it's just like I think it's great beats.
And then for me when her collaborating, she would just
have great beats and be like, Yo, make some hooks
for me, do some shit that I like. Like even
it's a song on how I'm called Shanghai. I'm on
the song. It's me saying roll up on you and
all this other shit on the actual record. So she
was just like, go go hook crazy for me, and

(55:25):
then I just went hook crazy and it turned out
to being whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Incredible, Sexy Lady or Sexy Kenna.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
Oh my god, I'm gonna have to go Sexy Kenna
just because I knew Sexy Lady was a hit. And
like y'all got to like go back into them la
days like Nigga, Like I was literally like wearing a chinchilla.
My man, my manager at the time, was the club
promoted at the Hottest Club or whatever. I think it
was called like fuck Mondays or something like that, shout
out to TK and all them or whatever. And I

(55:53):
used to go in the club. They used to sneak
the bottles in. We would go to rouse some by
a bunch of bottles before we went to the club,
and my manager at the time was the promoter. So
he would set me up at the table next to
DJ Echo and they would bring the bottles out and
I would wear like a full length chinchilla in the
middle of like summer or whatever in l A, just
wilding out performing my song Sexy Lady. And then from
there it just blew to this phenomenon Sexy ken I.

(56:16):
I actually hated Sexy ken I stoles P was supposed
to be on Sexy Kenny before me.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Remember, ray J was signing a.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Cotch and Epic Records being Shadow was doing all the
radio shit for Epic or whatever at the time, So
styles P was supposed to be on that, and I'm
glad that styles P wasn't on Sexy can Out.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
That seems like a weird choice, much less than but.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Rapper.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I'm like, yo.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
So when they presented me the record, Charlie Walk at
the time, who like, fucking is my god, this niggas
like five two looks like Zuelander. He was the fucking
president of Epic Records at the time, and he was like, yo,
you need to do this record for ray J. And
I'm like, I'm just coming off of Sexy Lady. And
I wanted to go my song The Business with the Girl.
Cash is singing the hook and I'm like, nah, I

(57:03):
want to go to this song. He's like, no, You're
gonna do this is gonna be your biggest record. He like,
what is it gonna take for you to do this record?
I'm like, got to buy me a chain?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
He like for real?

Speaker 5 (57:11):
I'm like yeah. I called Jason and Beverly Hills and
I put him on the phone with Charlie Walker. I'm like, yo,
I want an Epic Records chain, Like you gotta make it.
He made the chain. It probably came out my budget,
you know what I'm saying. He got me the chain
and I never forgetted me.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Billy J.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Cap One, we walked from the Lowe's Hotel to what
Willie's in Miami and we just threw bars around while
we was doing it, just talking shit with my brothers
and threw bars around.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
We wrote.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
I wrote all my parts with them, probably on that walk.
I laid my part at Circle House, where I still
work at today. That's how crazy this shit coming full circle.
And then from there it leads us to the epic
studio session with me ray J. The Girl Cash and
Tierra Marie. I didn't know it was tier Marie at
the time. So, like, ray J comes in the studio.

(57:56):
I think we're at a fucking we're at a studio.
We're at Challdice in LA and this when he just
did his Vivid deal for the Kim Kardashian tape and
like he was on this porn star shit.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
So the nigga came in.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
He like, hey, yo, bird, I don't want to disrespect
your lady, but you mind if I put these on
the TV. I'm like these The nigga put out all
vivid DVDs, a porn and shit like that. So now
we're in a session. He got a gun, allegedly he
had a gut a strap on the table. It's nothing
but white women porno playing on this big screen inside

(58:28):
the studio and we're finishing the song Sexy can On.
So we're in there and like there's a girl that's
like talking so bad about ray J, Like you trash nigga,
you get your weak ass out of here.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
And I'm like, who is this girl disrespecting J like that?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I ain't know it was Tierra Marie at the time,
Like he ain't cooked at me.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
I'm like, yo.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
The nigga goes in the booth, he like, I gotta
hit this last line. He like getting dungeons in some
fun and he like, nah, this's my Stevie.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
She like, get your.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Stevee from there. We delivered a record and ship.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
That ship shot up to like fucking I think it
peaked at number two on the Hot one hundred or whatever.
And it's like, why does ray J and Young Berg
had this record that all these white people.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Like, I mean, yeah, that fucking melody is yo.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
I went to jail on the video set of the
video for what the first shot of the day we
in Miami.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
I'm smoking a blunt. Nigga's down to like a roach.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
I throw the blunt out of the fucking ship and
the police that was one set to protect us came,
picked up the roach and took me to jail. That's
crazy to Quilo, Neal bailed me out of jail. I
can't make this ship up, bro, Like, yeah, bro, I knew.
I should have known the record was going down, and
when came.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
That is your greatest record.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Don't get no grit, so hold on.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Let's slow down for second. I got shacks number memorized.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
No, ray J and.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Shaq had a business deal, and I think he was
the investor on ray J's project at the time.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Okay, that's yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
And he was a police officer in my Yeah, Bro,
nigga came and belt me out of you come on,
little man, and I went back on set twelve hours later,
and it's like I never.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Went to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Sexy can die, fucking Larry, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
So I guess Kim has a type thing because I'd
heard at every Kanye session all he would have was
just porno on the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
You like it would be, it would be.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
It's not that horney assistance in pr coming back to
the Death Jam office, like shell shocks, Like yeah, we
went to the studio and it was just hardcore porn
playing the entire time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
It's like, bron It's different, Bro, that's a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Apple Horny, All right, Bert, Well, listen, man, we appreciate you.
Next time you're New York. You gotta stop on coming
back always a pleasure to you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Yeah, we gotta know, we gotta kick it off camera.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Got we got a lot of a lot of shit
we gotta catch up on to talk about man, anything,
you gotta come anything, y'all dropping mass you on everybody's album.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
The album for the rest of the year, fifty more,
I said, fifty songs will I did that like a
week ago or whatever, so probably like forty three more
songs will drop on Friday. I got seven more coming
out and then well, actually no, I have twenty one
songs coming out on Friday. So shalute to Rannie my artist.
Let me explain this new album comes out Friday. Salute
the tie dollars sign his new album come out Friday.

(01:01:18):
Shout out to Toy and Krishan, Nigel, my engine, everybody,
my whole team, man like we really like we in
a groove right now, and salute man New York LA.
Just wait for that next year. And also shout out
to my artists teink Man. We got a new album
that's a by the drop as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Fire. I'm coming down to Miami to kick it with you.
We got to bro.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I'll be the end of the month. I'll be Miami
here two two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
There you go. Black women everywhere for you when you
go and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I'm that Nigga's just judge, that's hit maker.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
No