Checking In With Peter Rosenberg

Peter Rosenberg checks in with Rory and Mal to discuss Complex's Hip Hop Media rankings, Kanye West's fall from grace, and Peter's perspective on Hulk Hogan's death as an avid wrestling fan #volume

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
All right, Roy, we are back our episodes where we
have friends, family, guest in the building. Today we are
joined by somebody who was a problem, long overdue conversation.
Yeah here today, Uh, somebody who in my in my perspective,
is a legend in radio. He's a huge wrestling personality.
I think I'm a wrestling personality too, if you ask

(00:28):
me some stuff.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
So I don't think it's the degree of him, well, not.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
To a degree of this guy, but classic legendary New
York radio personality Radio DJ Peter Rosenberg.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Claps everywhere else lives the audience, Thank you, yeah, or
thanks guys. Pete, I'm gonna call you pistol. Pee take you.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know it's been a minute to somebody, when did
they stop? What year did they stop calling you pistol?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
It comes a periodically, Young Jesus, the jeez you just said,
got to drop the pistol. It was like, hey, guys,
I gotta kill I don't do those things. I'm a ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You know. I got to see it and we got
to you got to drop that. How are you feeling, though, man,
It's good to see you. I feel great, man, I
feel great. Well, we've been talking for a minute about
doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, Rory told me he was coming on and he
was like, YO, know I'm Pete's coming on if you like,
Rory thought that me and you had a thing, and
I was just like, yo, I don't have that issue.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
It was the very few people in hip hop media.
I've never had anything.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm going to yell out the window and somebody would
have said, yeah, we have an issue that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
But I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I don't think of it. See, because sometimes my memory
is bad with podcasting for ten years, sometimes I forget
about the little TIFFs that happened five years ago that
some people hold on to and others are like, I
don't even remember.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
And we have one that you remember.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
It had something when you gave siphe my number and
his number for Syfe to apologize and we were like,
we go it was one.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Oh, we didn't actually care. Yeah that was siphon mall
and it's also nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
It was nothing, absolutely nothing. It proud to have that
you guys be one show. I've never had any personal problems,
thank you, listen. I have I'll tell you the truth.
Though Maul has said some things clips have hit my
timeline about you. No, no, his takes that. The aggressive
part of me at times wants to retweet it and
say something like flagrant. Why don't you though, because.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Somebody like you have this night?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Okay, but before somebody like.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
You I respected because it's never coming from a malicious No,
I would have just been on yourself, just related to Drake's.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
But I like having that either like you, Let's do it.
I love that.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I appreciate it, so I'll start doing it more from
now on.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I appreciate that. And we had one one tift because
of Drake and Kendrick that separate all of us. Oh yeah, wait,
did you and I had It was the night that
I guess not like us came out.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
It was the night not like us.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, I was celebrating.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
It was a dark and gloomy night. By the way,
you want to send the part of the conversations that
was a bad night, ironically, that's what I said in
the tweet.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Is that crazy?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Though? That night, I literally know everything that happened in
that night for me, from like seven pm. I know
where I had dinner. I remember the moment I got it.
I remember my initial impression. I remember you and I
getting in the argument, although after the argument you did
acknowledge you were drunk. When we had this conversation, I
was it was my birthday. You were drunk out of

(03:26):
the country. I was in Mexico. It was my birthday.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I had not looked.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Of course, I listened to every record that came out,
but I was not looking at the timeline's reactions anything.
I opened my phone as we were leaving the bar,
and the only thing I saw was Peter Rosenberg says, uh,
what is it the colonizer line?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, I quoted the line. I said, you're a you're
a you're a blank. You're not a blank, You're a colonizer.
You're not a colleague, You're a colonizer.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
And then I retweeted and said, Pete, I think we
should sit this line out. Okay, here, If Peter texted
my phone what fight was on? I thought. Peter was like,
so can I my wine?

Speaker 1 (04:04):
This? This asshole is drinking, having a party, having a
good time. He's one thing and repost it. He's not
thinking about the fact that, as you remember very well,
the internet was so live at that point in time,
those three four days. If you wade in, if you
wanted to see a tweet of yours, get three thousand
retweets for the first time in your life, just quote
something again. So his little line when I went and

(04:26):
checked my app replies, it's nine hundred people telling him
like yeah Rory telling him to shit the fuck down.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Man, Why are you It was just a quote. No
one had pointed out that I couldn't quote it. Why
did I get you what?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I didn't need you?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Episode it is? It was nothing, but it was And
even because you know where I was at in Mexico.
If you're not in that house, you don't have service.
And we were out the whole time. So like when
I closed like a bark, I opened Twitter and it
was the only thing I saw, and I was like, well,
that's funny if Peter I said that, yeah, And I
just reached as a joke, not realizing like the yes, yeah,

(05:04):
I got to Mexico City.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
And then he sees me just like fighting for your life. Problem,
what the hell is going on? He fighting for his life?
And I was like, don't put me near because I
was the Vlad Knight too. Yeah I meant that later
told yeah, don't put me over there. Yeah, it's not
that that's not what this was.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I literally thought it was a good line.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, And even though this wasn't the case, the next
one app you and Psych talked about it and you
both were like, oh, he was just trying to position
himself to be one of the good whites and all that.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yah, yeah I did.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
He talked about it, and obviously that was not It
was really just a fucking joke. I thought it was funny,
but I was like, that's fine, I deserve it. Yeah,
I don't want to thank you, you know what. I
appreciate you letting me have that one.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, you know, but Rory is kind of like in
some ways, Rory is sad a bad way, a bad way. No,
you're sort of like one of like a young in
for me, Like Rory is sort of I've known him
since he was first on the the Come Up, and
I've watched this whole thing, and you know what I'm saying,
Like I was on the radio when you were practically
a kid, you're a teenager.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I was on the box you got on when I
was probably seventeen something like that.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
So yeah, no, I had to give them a little
pop pow, you know what I mean. But it was hilarious,
but that was that was an interesting time.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
And for that that whole moment though, because you're on
the radio side and we're on the podcasting side, it's similar,
but a lot it's still a lot that's different in
those two worlds.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
What was that moment though, Like on.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
The radio side for DJs and personalities and programming directors,
like that whole moment last year with Kendrick Drake, Like
what were those buildings.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Like On the radio side, I can only speak to
out my weird one specific, most specific situation in the
world about ninety seven. For us, it was obviously it
was just great because we had content every day, Like
we do a morning show every day.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'd say we talk around.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Out of our four hour show, we probably talked like
ninety minutes two hours a day, right every day.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So like when you just have something to do, it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
And it relates to music and the thing that we
have that most podcasts don't have is we could play
the music so we could talk about it. They'll run it, back,
play it, come back do That's the that is the
superpower of radio. Unfortunately, when you post it like you
can't have it anymore. But for those in the car
it makes for a really good listen. So that part

(07:31):
it was dope. There was some separation in terms of
like DJs who were like lining up one way or another.
You know, some of the younger DJs you know, were
like who like really grew up and Drake is like
their absolute goat, you know that, as we would joke,
you know, like my boy East styles, like the cats
who are like uptown at hookah bars, like they didn't
want to hear no Kendrick refrat.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Give us more drakefre But like Dominicans love Drake. That
is a fact.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
And by the way, I'm sure they're Dominicans that love Kendors.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
But uptown, we'll say, is streaming bites went out. You
know what, maybe it's just by the way I met,
I just got my new phone that didn't save my
iCloud May twenty second, twenty twenty four. This happened on
May fourth, twenty twenty five. I wanted to read off
the aggressive text messages that Rosenberg sent me. I'm sure
he was like, well, listen, I got it. I kept

(08:20):
I think at one point I was asking, are you
being serious right now? Yeah, because I didn't know if
the aggression was I think when you said you were.
I think that's when once you asked that, I think
is when I backed off. I was like, Oh, he's
really not, he's not He's not fighting with me. I
didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So but to answer your question, mal like I don't,
I don't really know, Like I don't. It didn't affect
from a programming standpoint. I didn't hear any sort of
real anything about it.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
But the energy was very different in terms of in
the office and in the studio.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I I'm not in the office, you know what I'm saying.
I'm in the morning and I'm done. I've officially become
that guy. Okay, when I was when I first started
in radio, I was doing overnights in DC. The morning
show host was Donnie Simpson. Yeah, the legend, the legendary
when Donnie he would walk out of the building at
at ten oh one am to play his first round
of golf of the day.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
He didn't know a fucking thing that happened. That's now me.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I graduated from.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Made it all done.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, I don't know me any that's it. I'm officially
the morning show guy.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Who's checked out, so I know, like what level of
politics was going on or how much it affected people.
You know, we as a station, we've been super supportive
of both those artists. Obviously, Drake has his own he's
had his own issues with FLEX, he's had his own issues,
and me he's had his own issues at EBRO, Like
he's had different things at different times. But I think

(09:37):
he would also acknowledge an immense amount of support, Like
he has been a core artist at ninety seven now
since the very beginning, and it's never changed. Like even
through this whole thing, he had records playing through it,
records playing immediately after it. I'm sure he didn't love
everything that was being said, but like it also didn't
slow him down. At the radio station. It picked Kendrick up.

(09:59):
Kendrick had a huge The amount of GNX we played
surprised even me. Yeah, I was like, we are really
playing every song off of GNX YEA, Like this is
kind of crazy, it's early. That song is really aggressive.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
The point we were talking with Graf last week about
New York radio specifically and trying to have more of
an evolved conversation than the typical New York radio doesn't
support New York artists.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
That if at no point it came up that I
give him tickets the Summer Gym every year, the conversation
wasn't third. He didn't bring that up though.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
What's suggesting though, with this post year kind of to
the conversation we're having, he has noticed that, you know,
between like the Griselda movements, Freddie clips now coming out,
that bars are being a bit more respected on radio,
for sure. And I can't really answer that because truthfully,
I don't like sit and listen to the radio like that,
so I didn't know listen. I'm just kidding. I'm on
my way to daycare listening to Baby Shark at the

(10:53):
time you're on.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, when you're on, we just need to stay up
long enough for your daughter to age and you can
rock with some seven we're away.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I don't know if I'm gonna make it that long though,
So Woolves, Nah, you will absolutely what's out? Four? Three? No,
she's two.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
I'm gonna say that he jumped ahead.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Holy I thought Tom was like, at least by the way,
that's so great. It's so rarely goes that direction.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Isn't it nice that she's younger than someone thinks exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean I thought, wow, last birthday parties right
in here, So I utilize the space, by.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
The way, so I don't know if I'll make it,
but you continue.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I'm here. So when Graf was saying that, I couldn't
really speak to it, like, is the Clips album playing
on the radio right now?

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Is?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I didn't know GNX was playing to the degree it was.
Do you feel like the actual lyrics are back on
the radio post this battle?

Speaker 4 (11:43):
I do think there's something that changed.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
There is clearly like an interest in lyrics that has
been affected by that battle. Like I think the the
excitement about Clips has it's a perfect storm.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I mean, yes, of course God blessed the rollout. It's
an incredible rollout.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
But beyond that, you have Pusha being tangentially connected to
the entire Drake Kendrick thing. Of course fairy, but I
really think a big part of it is, Yeah, the
bar was raised and now there are a million people
who look even nerdier than Peter Rosenberg and Rory talking
about a breakdown of lyrics. Yeah, that has become such

(12:20):
a thing, and I do think that's extended to everywhere.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, I just didn't know if that made it
to the radio. I could see the clips playing there,
and this isn't a slight to clips or amazing lyricists.
I think Pharrell would be the factor there that that
production is proven on radio already, whereas like no Drums
Griselda stuff may not play the same way on Hot
ninety seven the way a fully produced Parrell album for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I mean I think from a production standpoint, yes, I
think also from a familiarity standpoint that is important.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
That sound, even if it's a new farrel beat, it's
still recognizing, and even the sound of Pusha's voice, like,
these are things that are part of me. I think
people don't appreciate that sometimes, like whenever own Like hates radio,
and I'm not saying, by the way, I fully understand
hatred of radio in different ways, but I do think
people take some things for granted, like.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Why can't you just play an unknown artist with a
song with no hook?

Speaker 1 (13:12):
That's like, it's like because that's just not what an
audience would ever gravitate towards.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Right, It's advertising business.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
That's an business we are meant to retain.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
People, Like when I work at ESPN, guys, I would
love to show up and talk about national sports topic.
Like it's it's almost a joke at the radio station
how much I check out sometimes on like local baseball topics.
But guess what, that's what we have to talk about
daily because bread and butter. The people in New York
who want to turn on eight eighty am and hear
what sports talk is. They don't want to hear me

(13:42):
waxing about what the Commanders did last week. They want
to hear about the Yankees. It's playing the hits, bro,
and it's it's always been radio, this made up thing
of like back in the day, there's always been mix
show at night, not always, but since we were kids.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, mixshow at night. During the day, you're hearing the hits.
That's it. That's what it is. Yeah, that's what I
was trying to say to Graph, Like has it been
that different? Maybe you just liked more of the popular
music back then than you do now. I think that
is exactly because like I've explained that, like I loved Nelly.
All the older kids I hung around that were, like
I'm saying older, like twenty years older, hated Nelly. Likeugh,

(14:19):
that's disgusting. Now people would say Nelly's lyricist and it's classic,
Like yeah, so, I mean that's always been that way.
Now I'm the guy who's twenty year olds older than
everyone else going like, I'm cool with what y'all playing
over there.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Exactly. It's the same thing, though, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
No, I think that there is something that changed in
the last several years where the music that's popular and
they play during the day is like the the sing
song e nothingness and stuff. I think really affects hip
hop heads in this like, nah, this is some bullshit.
Things have changed, like in a way that's visceral. It's

(14:55):
sort of the way it was around Ringtone. Like Ringtone,
people were viscerally angry about the records that we're playing
six o seven.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
It was like this is bad. Yeah, yeah, which again
I get because at that time they probably that was
the only place they could hear music for the most
part was radio or you bought the CD or a
place you were going played it. My generation now isn't
mad at the radio because I can just plug my
phone in.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
You're why is it mad? Like, I'm not angry at anybody.
I can play what I want to play. Well, and
for me selfishly, who like I said, like my focus
is mornings, I'm not yeah, I'm driving your kids to
school time, like we're talking. Yeah, I don't care what
we play. Yeah, I often. I'm still glad to this
day that Ebro hasn't realized how he probably wouldn't want
to do it because the things would make us look
bad if he ever said, let's play a game, Rosenberg,

(15:42):
tell us the name and artist of the song we're
playing right now?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Nothing. Yeah, and I'm not proud of that. No, I'm
terrible with titles, so song titles and I'm terrible.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
But like ten years ago, fifteen to fifteen years ago,
certainly I would have known all of the.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Artists off top.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, why do you think that's changed? I think finally,
and I really never wanted this to happen. I did
personally change enough. Like I'm not gonna blame the music
like everybody tends to do. I have outgrown the mainstream,
the most mainstream.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
And let me let me rephrase that too. When I say.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Mainstream, I mean like the mainstream hits that come and go,
because really, if we're honest, the biggest hits are still
the biggest artists, Yeah, Cole Kendrick, Drake, Cardy, I know them, right,
But when it comes to all the stuff in between,
you know, like eventually I knew Cash Cobain, but like

(16:45):
that takes time and they have to last a little
longer for me if it's just one one summer quick
one I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
And has the same sound as a bunch of other
records from a bunch of other artists that you're not
even sure And.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm not trying, and I'm not even dissy, That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
No, it just became not for me. Also, you have
to think of the entire switch in the music industry where, yes,
some of the mainstream stuff, when I was in high school,
they were trying to make dumbed down catchy records. Now
they're trying to make fifteen seconds that goes towards an
app to be catchy. Right, So it's even twofold of

(17:20):
how shitty mainstream music can be. That's so because now listen,
even like Laughy Taffy has like three verses on that shit,
like it's a song, and people that were older than
me hated that song, but it was a song. It
just had to be catchy. Now you think I'm supposed
to like something that's only cool for ten seconds, that's
supposed to be for kids on on TikTok. I'm not
a hater.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I'm just like, this is not for me. You know,
Laughy's half thing, abu laughing taffy. That would have really,
that whole thing could have rang off just from the rant.
That would have been enough. Yeah done, they made a
whole song. They would even have to. They could have
wrapped it up after forty five seconds. We all would
have been better off for it. No knuck.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
If you buck just just the weeks, that's it. That's
all you need. Like the shit that makes people run
to the dance floor. I think now is the version
of what TikTok is like that's blended together. If you
were just at a high school party, at a club,
at a bar, you'd hear that first note and go
to the dance floor. That's all just now on TikTok.

(18:18):
Yeah it has to be. It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Why don't we talk about somebody else thinking about yesterday
and I forgot that he was locked up, but I
was thinking about, like, yo, he don't got a record out.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
I'm like, oh, he's locked up. Fave Yo. We don't
talk about Faveya.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
He's interesting to me for a lot of reasons, but
he has He's one of the younger artists, right, drill
rapper if you will. He has records with a record
with Drake, a record with Kanye and Alicia Keys, and
he's somebody we don't talk about.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Like I didn't even know he was locked up.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I knew, but I kind of forgot just in thinking
like songs of the Summer, you know, the energym like, damn,
where's Faveyo?

Speaker 1 (18:55):
How you put it?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I'm like, oh shit, I forgot he's locked up right now.
But he's an artist that was really hot. Like I've
had records with some of the biggest artists in the world,
and now he's an artist that we don't even seem
to even bring up in discussion anymore.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Why Why does that happen?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Because I don't know many people that can say I
have a record with Drake, I have a record with
Kanye West and Alicia Keys, and nobody talks about that artist.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Well. Five is complicated for a variety of reasons because
he made he did and by bad, Like this is
an awkward one because I personally really like five ya.
But he did the whole Trump grift and then I
still went to jail, which is because I assume.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
The whole Trump grift was to not go to jail.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Oh way he was.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
He was in the park in the Bronx or that
was somebody else. No, that was chef g And no, no, no,
he didn't do that. He did a record. Yeah, oh
I'm record.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
You wanted the craziest shit.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
The five year Trump record is not bad, I mean
not bad, but it's a straight up Trump is my
President anthem. Okay, he went, he went all the way, Okay,
all right. I assumed it was because he was trying
to work an angle of some sort of a pardon something. Yeah,
and then he ended up getting locked up, and I
didn't even really know what happened. I don't even know
what he's locked that for. I don't either for five

(20:12):
He is interesting also because when he came out he
was older, a little bit older. Yeah right like he was, Yeah,
like he was, but he got he got on a
little bit later after Pop Smoked passed. But he really
did have good records and has charisma like he could rap.
He's got charisma, he hasn't. His age actually was an advantage.

(20:32):
He carried himself like someone wh knew what he was doing. Yeah,
I don't know. I know he did Summer Jam like
we he got support like New York definitely was like hey, Louie,
and then I can't quite put a finger on what
happened there.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
He had arguably one of the best features on Donda.
I think he caught the Kanye stimulus at the wrong time,
like the last he got the last moment of Donda,
there was still people like eh, but it was Kanye
was still Kanye when Donna came out, and he in
my opinion, I mean, obviously the three Stacks verse didn't
actually make the real album. You could say Favio had
one of the best verses, which is the crazy sense

(21:06):
is to say it's either Favio or Jay Electronica who
had the best verses on that. That album. He went
crazy on that, and I think he rode the Kanye
wave because then they got the Alicia Keys record YEP,
and it was just like then, they're putting all your
eggs in the Kanye basket and he was all over
done it too. That didn't come out like it felt
like he dedicated his time to Kanye at a time

(21:27):
he shouldn't have done that. Yes, Like that's interesting. You
should have just stayed in New York and kept writing
the New York way that you had because everyone loved.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Favia because the feature on the album was so good.
He went that was the thing I played off of
the album the most. And I love jail too. But
then Kanye went even because he was already out of
his gourd, but he clearly went levels beyond after Donda
and he was like that was kind of where he
had staked his yeah flag, and it's like this, this

(21:56):
is not helpful.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
It's not doing what it should have done. Yeah. Yeah,
And who knows in people's personal lives too, because like, obviously,
again I don't know that he went to jail, but
clearly something was happening behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
So Fave is in jail.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Dude to pleading guilty to a terroristic threats charge stemming
from an incident that occurred on New Year's Day in
Edgewater of New Jersey. The incident involved a dispute over parking.
A woman claims she asked the rapper to help jump
start her car. Faver allegedly pulled a gun on her
and threatened her, stating, if I see you parking in
front of this building again, there's going to be a
fucking problem.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
That's one of those car or that is one of
those stories where the description does not feel complete, like
there is not a single missing piece here. That's one
of them. Was one of those times where someone goes, hey,
can you jump my car? And you pull a gun
out inside, never to.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
See her again.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
No, you're in the middle of trying to jump the car,
so he always.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Charges include unlawful possession of a weapon and in aggravated
assault in addition to terroristic threats. As part of a
plea deal, he pleaded guilty to the terroristic threats charge.
The other charges are expected to be dropped. He has
been incarcerated since January and to wait since the thing
schedule for August second, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Wait, so he's in jail and still hasn't been sensed.
Oh yeah, that's why he's sitting in jail. Yo, bro,
If if Kevin Gates was there, none of this would happen.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
The attorney hosts for a probationary sentence, potentially allowing earlier
release considering the time.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Sir. Yeah, I just thought that that was weird.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
An artist that, you know, had all of the momentum,
all of the steam in the city at one time,
records with some of the biggest artists in the world,
and then now he's been arrested since the beginning of
the year and we don't even talk about him.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I just thought that was we No, it is.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I think the five ill story is a bit weird.
So I can't quite put a finger on that, But
I also wouldn't write it off yet either. Sometimes that
back from jail shit, you know what I mean, that
can be the set off you need.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, just a little time to sit down and
look at things.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
And you go, you know what's avoid that that's if
you take that story of face value, like something just
went left with an actual stranger. Yeah, that is the
worst that that is such a like there are stupid situations,
but that sounds horrible.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, that's the top of the list. That's the top
of the list. I mean, if he took up maybe
his lawyer's telling him, like, come sentencing, you'll get time, serve,
Just sit till August and maybe it'll be over.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
That's tough telling us why to just sit down and
jail till August in January. That the artist like him
who has all this mom manum, don't tell me to
do the weekend in jail.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
So well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
It's just that's just I'm not trying to downplay, right, Yeah,
eight months in prison, I mean shit Feedti Fetti is
one of those two that I am very confident that
when he gets out. Who's to say Vetti can't have
another run? Tell me that the the music hasn't changed
that much that Fetti couldn't adapt to it.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
That is an interesting one because Fetti's records sound like
a million years ago.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
But I'm not saying he couldn't ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
That was that was summer. When you hear that ship
right now, it feels like you are in a time work.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, it's so much as.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's because he owned that so much sound so much.
But his melodic flow is still the same.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Now, I get it.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
But like the even long before he went away, he
already wasn't doing anything. I'm not trying.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I don't want to come to.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Situation, but no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
For a long that was that was a lot of
politics too, with which he spoke about briefly of just
that run of like when you have fucking ten records
on Billboard and all right, can we slow down for
a second to spread these out and work my actual
records and album we had fifteen hits from them, and
then they were like, here's the albums, Like now we've
heard it everything. I have it all and that's just

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a bad strategy. But some records just don't.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
It is weird.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
The line of really good song at a time and
then one that last the test of time, for me,
is fascinating to bring up Mall's favorite person in the world.
Best I Ever Had to me sounds like when you
hear it, you're like, this feels like a throwback, an intentional, fun,

(25:42):
goofy throwback, not like you really want to rock out
and hear Best I Ever Had? You could hear find
Your Love or started from the bottom a minute later,
and those songs sound like, nah.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Play it right now. It's just funny.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I think Best I Ever Had has gone past that.
I think finds Your Love speaks specifically to the ataways
and heartbreaks down that sounds like a dated hit to me,
not a bad way, but it represents that time that
would bring me to nine Best I Ever had and
started from the bottom.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I feel like those could play start from the bottom.
I think it is for any time my best I
Ever had. There is something about the drums, There's something
about the mix of it his There's just something about
that song to me that.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Sounds like it's a time.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's not like but again and this we actually we've
had this great conversation plenty of times, and this is
our age gap there.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I was a freshman in college when best Ever had
came out. So, yes, the drums are not mixed. It's
boy wondered finding a boom bab shit that still resonates
with me. I look past the faults of what the
mixing would be because it's a time, it's timeless because
I was there. That's the difference I think with Best
I Ever had between our age gap, which I think
plenty of people have with records.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
It doesn't make you go like to wow, that's like
freshman year of college. It feels like, yeah, it should
stay there.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
No, I like that time, like you don't have the
shit that you you know what else sounds growing up
or like in college or a specific time that just
resonates with you for sure, But of course there's can't
tell me nothing's like those are just for the rest
of your life. That's just correct. But you can still
have a timeless record that is from a moment in
time that you liked. But Drake, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Drake to me, has a lot of timeless records, but
they're a handful of them from the beginning successful best
I ever had.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
I'm going in. Yeah, they all sound like for whatever reason, it's.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
They sound stay there, they saw it, get I get it.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
And then after that he developed a bit and everything
kind of last to me.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
But it's again, it's not a Drake thing. Maybe it's
a blog era thing that I have my ears so
trained to the blog era that absolute shitty mixes from
that time because it's a part of my life. I ignore,
like put in Krits first mixtape. They mastered that negatively,
like I have my radio doesn't even go that high

(27:59):
of how much that should play. But it's still is
timeless to me, right, But it's it was a shitty time.
People were just this big crite. People were literally recording
and putting it out like that was how bad Cushion
OJ doesn't sound polished if you go back to it.
Of course they've remastered it and put it on DSPs.
But Gold is the one you have downloaded on your computer.

(28:21):
It's gonna sound like best I ever had. Yeah, yeah,
I've probably never listened to Kush You've never listened really?
Probably not? How probably not Gold?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
List all right, listen to OD the one that you downloaded,
and it'll sound like ass I sure, sure, but it's
still incredible music, like even somee section eighty our ears
got crazy because technology got so good.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
It's so easy to mix and master a record now.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
But I'm not even with the best. I'm not even
just talking about the mix. There's just something about it
that sound music.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, I get that sloppy boombab record I see, but no,
but it's it's just it's just more.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Maybe it's just about Drake's development, Like maybe it's the
fact that he became so big that like.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
That was like just a different everything changed about his voice,
the way he raps, his ad lives the music. Literally,
if you listen to his first mixtapes or So Far
Gone and go to what he just put out last year.
It's a It sounds like a completely different completely.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
This is a college dropout to Donda. Doesn't even sound
like the same vocal tone, Like they're different people. Bro.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
If I have to have another argument with someone saying
that Donda and even Donda two I've had thrown at
me are classic albums, I'm gonna fucking lose money.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I'm not here to say that I enjoyed Donna. Don't
get me wrong. Joints.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah, a classic, No, you have to. Here's here's the
there's the fact.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
When you decide to put out your album with twenty
two fucking songs, you're right, No, the bad songs are
negative on your album. Absolutely, you're not allowed to put
out twenty two songs twelve on there were bangers and
say you have a classic.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, no, you could have if you subtracted ten, if
you took seven.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Of those, but you didn't, right, So like that that
annoys the shit out of me. Being like keV I've
argued about this so many times because he fucking loves Donda.
I don't think he calls a classic. But like when
I say, basically, Kanye has completely fallen off and turned
to ship. He and other people will come come to
me with Donda, and I'm like, when you're comparing that
to the rest of his catalog, Donda's a brick.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I know it has a few great songs on it.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
We're talking about a guy who previously, I would have
argued had the highest percentage of great songs on albums
of maybe anyone ever.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
One of the greatest discographies.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Ever is even through Life of Pablo, which where he's
That's when he started to split.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
He started experience you guys know you guys know my
theory on this.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
No, I have a really important theory on Kanye the
moment life of about life of pop. He would suggest
your people your further proving when my when my uncle
and I were together at my synagogue disgusting.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Whether or not we should make this a hit or not.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
I was.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Like, why is not a classic?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
I want to get down to it, Like uncle schloo,
I think we should let this black artist said, I said, No,
I like him. No, I would say, this is the
moment in Life of Pablo. I mean, we remember the
whole role out was a fucking mess. The album kept changing.
But no, no, here's if you.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Want to pinpoint the beginning of when Kanye is losing
his ship. It is the line and she just bleached
her asshole.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Okay, that song is an iconic, forever piece of glorious music.
And in that bar when you decided to start the
song with I just fucked a model, she just bleached
her asshole, and you thought that was a good decision
to do with a song that sounds that he lost

(31:52):
you now lost. Honestly, it's I'm joking, but I'm not
like you've now lost your edge of like what makes
a song able to live forever? Because now every grown
up and Rory's gonna we're both gonna have to deal
with this soon as our babies get older.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Now, I can't play that in the car right now.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
It's like an immediate You can't even explain to someone.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I don't want my mom to hear it.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
I don't want my daughter to hear it. I don't
want my cousin to hear You don't want anyone to
hear that. Lie, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Please find this footage listeners. I think it was on
the old Potter, it might have been on this one.
I had the same thing. I was riding with my
mom in the car and the first record, Ultra Light Beams,
beautiful my mom. My mother's Catholic. Don't tell anyone, Okay, fucky,
it's funny at me. Good. We're riding and she loved

(32:42):
that first record, even like the chance want and not
say my mom would be the gauge of anything Kanye related.
But gets to the second record, she's on board all
the way, and then when it gets to that fucking part,
my mom was like, why would someone do that? I said,
please their asshole? She said no, why would you say.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
That, not do it?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
No?

Speaker 3 (33:03):
No, she was like, someone would do it?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Why would you say they did it? Why would you
say they did?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
To get my mom even into certain hip hop is
a stretch again, is nothing that matters, But you want
to play the crapper shitdn't be trying to do shit
for my mom. But we were just in the car
and she was vibe and I was like, why yeah,
one for one with Ultra Light Beings, why would someone
say that it ruined the whole song?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
The start of that album, those two records is such
a beautiful and incredible start to the album. And right
when that line gets hit, I remember going like hmm,
no one was around to say, hey.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Bro, we should take that out.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
And like, obviously Metro's young, you know who's going to
be the person who says.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
And not only that, not only is Metro young, Pete,
but there's a thing. You know, you're in the studio
with Kanye, you're kind of just like, I feel like
he knows way more than I ever will I can
be a great producer. This is still Kanye West. Metro's
probably like he no more than me. He got way
more than I do. I'm not even though he probably
was like.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
A why would he say that?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
He's not gonna say that Kanye, and no one else
around him is going to, I mean respect respectfully to
eighty eight Keys or whoever else around. No one's giving
him that bit of advice. And it was a small thing.
But then, like as the album went on, Life of
Pablo then starts to fall apart at points it has
then its back up.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
It HiT's the middle. It's the three records in the middle,
the one that Tyler wrapped on the freestyle for shit.
It's like those three records where it gets odd and
then it comes right back to Chris Brown and you're like,
that's the greatest thing I've ever heard Brown.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
You get to h around is in the first half. Yeah, it's,
it's it's but that's the beginning of him starting to slip.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
And those lines were there. He always just packaged it
around dope shit, Like somebody should have tapped Kanye before
when he said, uh, dripping swag sauce, you dripping swagu
somebody should have been like.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, come on, come no, it's a nasty bar.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
He's always had weird, cheesy lines his whole career, but
they were always around amazing ship. So it's like, all right, whatever, but.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
There's a certain line that you cross, and when you
do it, it now just sounds like I mean, listen,
we're all hip hop fans. For us to collectively think
that something's crass, you guys, how crass it has to
be like not many come on, I've said this line
that I just said to you guys, you can imagine
to many other people in my life. Not one of
them has pushed back and be like, nah, that's a bar.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
One person that's pushed back.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Nobody's fighting for that ball.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Nobody's pretty get We're not overly sensitive about a lot
of things, but that one each.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Other, like with the bleach on our ass. So he
kept his T shirt on because he wanted to be
a clothing designer and the bleach shirt, yeah, he had authentic.
So I had to be from you know, her throwing
an ass back.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
That's how I get the design.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I totally understand it. Now you get it. We've been there.
And also a chick just getting an asshole bleached and
then fucking is also hilarious to me. Dry it's a
clean queen. He's a clean queen.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
But I still believe that if Fedtie hopped on a
CARDI beat tomorrow, it would go crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
H The one person I started I'm looking for getting
their career back on track.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
The one artist is Max By.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
I think now we're in such a heavy you know,
before he went away, we're a more heavily melodic rap
time right now. And I think he's somebody that obviously
created a lot of melodies that people still probably letting
their their talents to and use and sample. He's one
of the artists that I feel like, once he comes

(36:39):
back and he starts to get his foot, you know,
under underneath him and understand the landscape I think that.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
He has the biggest question is going to be who
is he moving with and who is helped guiding.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
The thing, Like Drake putting taking Max B under his
wing and like kind of like helping him in a.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Certain wild is going to do that. He did it
with Gucci did. But I don't think that's the move
for Max. I think he should avoid everyone that is
trying to get around no pun intended the wave and
focus on his personality in what he's doing, like anytime,
even with Bobby when he came out of jail. And yeah,
of course everyone want to be around and around the migos,
this and that. That's great, but everyone's just using the

(37:21):
moment of he's home to try to put a record out.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
No, no, no, I want to do I feel like
again because somebody that wraps in obviously melodies is a
big part of their career with Drake, I think somebody
like Max B in the studio with Drake and whatever
producers that they have around him, I think that Max B.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Picks up right where he left off. Well. I think
Drake is actually potentially a good call for him, and
it would serve both of them well in different ways, right,
it gets Drake working with someone with a lot of
credibility who's cool, and people fuck with we don't want
to see. We know what we don't want to see
is Max going to fuck with Kanye. We just had
that conversation and we know Kanye has each out like

(38:00):
there's been something there that's not You could get caught
up be like, oh he wants to fly me out,
but like, yeah, don't.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Fall, don't want you don't fall for the whole I
would want to too, but it's not the move. That's
more of what I was saying of Everyone is going
to reach out to him when he gets out, and
we've seen it with artists that get out that hinders
their career because they just start following every move that's
happening out there because they've been locked up. They don't
know no better. So it's like, let me get with

(38:28):
the people that have been dominating. And maybe that's not
what you need. Maybe Bobby needs to go back and
do exactly what Bobby not did before. But like you
had your own energy in your own way, you're trying
to give everybody. It is the difference. Though Bobby helpful
to me, it's not going to Bobby and Bobby and
I think Max can start a podcast day gets out
and out of here. That's a great point too. I
mean his personality, no matter what, has the personality like.

(38:51):
But I mean I don't know if he needs to
just run and go with a major artist want to
do well, that's not one for sure, the right management
circle for sure.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Uh. The complex hip Hop Powell rankings hip Hop media
rankings came out.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Last week.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Uh, pete, and we're top ten and not ten this year,
top ten and not ten.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah we're not.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
We're not number ten. Oh oh good, we're number nine.
Yeah we're not. We're not either.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Not ten and not eight. But yeah yeah yeah, no,
not seven though in.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
A surprise, we're not number one. Yeah. I know you're shocked.
But uh, yeah, did you did you look at this list?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Neither did I know I did. The first year I decided,
I this is the first year I decided to go
ahead and spare my fragile ego and not look.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, and I and then here I have my friends
to bring it up for me, right.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
When I get right on the podcast. Well no, I
mean I didn't look at it either. Yeah, And I
to to your point, I didn't look at the list
of Peach. I brought it up last week when it
came out. I just saw we was at and that
was that. We went through it h Monday and kind
of just saw who else was the top.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Well, I'll say this, So I didn't look at it
this year, like I said, on account of protecting my
own because like two things. One, I don't deserve to
be on it, because I don't do the things in
the places that one would really do to be on
that list. Because like my opinions in New York City Radio,
as you could tell by the list, that's not I
imagine if I were to look at it, that's not

(40:18):
what's weir.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Shanny Sharp was on a list. You should be on
a list, all.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Right, Fine, you're right, I should be able to Well
that's what my point is about the list though end
listen complex is great at getting people to talk. And
I know this is now a point that's.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Been we'll get rout up of a list, you know,
list like yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I know this is I'm sure there's already been talked
about a nauseum. The thing that's annoying is the cats
they put on aren't hip hop, Like that's the thing
is number one, not hip hop? Okay, why do you
feel like Kai is not hip hop? Because like, has
Kai ever done? By the way, this is some I'm
missing him. I'm not at all.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
I just went through our last episode.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, he's he's great, But like has he if you
were to add up like ten episodes of Kai Snat,
I wonder if he's talked as much hip hop as
we did in the last hour. It's try about breaking
down music, Okay, God, Like there's a hit, Like we're
having a hip hop conversation, you know what I'm saying.
Like when siphon I do our little niche one ap
every week, not every week. Sometimes we just talk about Ssifh,
Galavant in the World, Dave Chappelle. But sometimes like this week,

(41:16):
we are going out talking about the albums that came out,
what we.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Like, what we don't.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
That is a hip hop conversation, Kai Sanat Shannon Sharp.
Did they put Aiden Ross on the list?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Okay, So what's the difference? Real quick?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
So what's the difference?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Essentially? I'm not going to read their whole breakdown, but
it their criteria does sort of match the list more
or less, Okay, what's the good. The biggest one that
I think validated Kai being on there the most is
is this outlet where hip hop goes for rollouts and
to break certain news and artists. And I can say

(41:55):
with what Kai has done with his house and everything,
there's been some roles there. Yeah, like some did house. No,
but you know, Nikki did a whole thing there, like
you know, offset rappers go there often. Is it hip
hop media?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
To me?

Speaker 3 (42:11):
No, because they don't even really like talk about the music.
They just have fun, which I think is incredible. I
just don't know if that's hip hop media, that's all,
but by their criteria, I mean, I guess and listen.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
What he's done has been we are huge fans of
I'm not going to go that far because I'm just
you know, I'm not a liar, and I'm not saying.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
You know, we really like really fun do that.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
But I'm not saying you are. But I'm not.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I'm not going to go home and be like, all right,
well you know what, let me tap into the Kai string.
But we have supported him for quite some time. I
think every I think him representing the new wave of media.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
The best week is the best thing that we com
is the one he doesn't get me mad at all.
Like I know, I just wasn't going to say I'm
a fan because that might imply like I'm tapping in.
But no, as a person, I'm a fan too. I
find them to be like more than inoffensive. It seems
like a good person who uses platform well and it's impressive.

(43:06):
I just like doesn't strike me as hip hop. And
when I've looked at those things previously, they'll just be
things that are like I mean, they're just things I
don't understand, things that they label as hip hop that
I'm like, just because this is a space where an
artist occasionally shows up or literally like the host is black,

(43:28):
that is what your standard was for them being hip hop, right, they.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Don't need to.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
We're not getting into what they're doing one way or
the other. Like to me, it's just ends up being
lazy and trolly. But that's why we're talking about it.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
So, I mean, ironically, I would never want Aiden Ross
to be on this list, but by some of their criteria,
you could make a fucking case that for Aidan Ross
has said more than I shit, And I think Deck
is a fucking douchebag. But be careful why.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Because yeah, their fans are Aiden Ross, Yeah Wild Wild.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Okay, So I think aiight and Ros is a douchebat.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
But if we're going off this, then Aiden has had
more hip about where music has even been discussed than
a lot of peoples. He has some of this, But
I'm also complimenting him and like, all right, well, if
this is the criteria you have had hip hop ship,
no he has. He has horrifyingly bad conversations about hip hop.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
They're awfulsation.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, like so this is yeah, Like I've definitely seen
the clips move around of him saying some dumb ship
about this artist or that artist, with no background, no
real interest.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I was thinking about that earlier.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
It is so fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
The standard by which you know, if I felt like
I was held to when I was emerging versus the
lack of standard that anyone is held to anymore, is
so fucking wild. Like when you think about the things
that I like got in trouble for early in my career,
the issues I had with people like he, I can't

(44:58):
believe he had the nerve to say that Starships sucks.
Right now, a proven fact in history. But at the
time it was like, oh my god, like is that offensive.
I don't even think he should be saying things like that.
This is a problem.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
This is now you can literally.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Move around and say I bleached her asshole correct.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
The podcast for with no no, no doing anything positive,
no contribution to anything. Say whatever you want, that's nasty,
be hurtful, be hateful, and really there's people will still.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Go to stand right next to you.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Oh absolutely people people you know, like you could have
right wing, crazed, right wing podcasts who interview the worst
people on earth, and then two seconds later, oh they
got hip hop people say right next to himlah blah blah,
no problem, no problem.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
It's just there's no standard whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Which back to the point about Kay's snot, which is
why I like the fact that Kay's not. I don't
see him stand next to really any bad shit. His positivity,
that's pretty cool. It's hard not to like him as
a person. Yeah, I guess he was very positive.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
With the streaming thing placboy Max. I think he's the
best representation of hip hop media. Now tell me who
that is?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
He?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
All right, so he streams? Is this in the boot
series where he'll actually make records with the artist in
real time. He's done it with up and coming artists,
he's done it with famous artists. Like his platform is
hip hop for really, So he's at number four and
he just smokes the streaming shit. Period. He's taking a
little break. But I mean, to me, that's been the
best merge of streamers versus real hip hop media before this.

(46:27):
Plackboy Max black Boy Max, Like he's actually making records
on that.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Well, that's that.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
That to me sounds like something that's super deserveve of
being in the hip hop media conversation. But they're weird,
like complex, you know. Sometimes they'll throw people in who
are like legacy, like whose names I'm not gonna mention
because the yeah I.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Say that, I'm already getting killed on the internet. YEA,
Like though mentioning what I probably think you're gonna say, Yeah,
they I don't even know who's on it.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
But I'm just my guess is I've seen them throw
legacy names on and I'm like, why did they get
the leg Why didn't I get the legacy? If you
were just going to toss someone in because they have
not had a hip hop conversation and god.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Knows how long. Yeah, you know, just do a little
bit more work, man, you know, quickly. Not to repeat
what we talked about last time, more or less. I said,
if we're gonna put legacy in the top ten, then
clear all of us out and put Angie Sway big boy, Like,
if you're gonna put legacy, then just make a legacy.
You're rap like just throwing a legacy in the mix

(47:20):
in a top ten situation? Is that that happen this time? Yeah,
it's just like, all right, well then put Angie there.
Like if we're just going to be putting people on
the log, all right, it's just Sway number two then.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
But yeah, this this whole thing is the dumbest when
you really do think about it, like this is literally
it's brilliant. And simultaneously they get all of the people
who are on the list to talk about the list and.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Then all the people that are not on to talk
about it as well.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, so it's amazing. But like we're ranking media personalities. Okay,
we are the only space that does weird shit like this.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
We rank rappers. We need rappers to.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Fight with each other, we need to rank them.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
But I mean.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
With each other, Like what the fuck are we doing?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Like we don't do that.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Complex used to do the twenty three best Jordan's No,
that's true. This is their brand. Yeah, yeah, this is
definitely But I mean, I guess, I mean that's all
that's why we love hip hop in the battlespace and
turns of us having arguments and ranking that. You don't
think it's gonna happen in podcasting, like it's just going
to fold over into everything else that's attached hip hop.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
No listen, And if I was on the list, I'd
be fine with it. But yeah, that wouldn't be So
you just had Tyler Tyler to creator. You just interviewed
Tyler the other day.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
How many people on the list have Tyler this year?

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Though?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Anyways, keep on. Actually I'll give you your flowers. Who
has the most Tyler interviews in history?

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Definitely me has to be. And what do you think
the difference is? Like he is you probably have what
like twelve No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Uh, probably had him with I've probably done it three
or four times with Ebro and then I probably had him,
you know, three to five times.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Probably that the difference with what with him? So it's
probably you, and then nord Ward at like three, and
then like everyone else maybe is.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Yeah he doesn't why not he said, he just like
he he sto.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
He doesn't want to really do print very much and
he doesn't like being misquoted, and I think he just
he doesn't love the idea that clips get cut out
of context.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, and he trusts us and we have great conversations.
So yeah, I mean, I might say even when he
when I saw that he came on this week, it
didn't shock me, but I was like, Tyler really fucks
with Rosenberg because he does not do this and every
album continues to come right to y'all and let me
not say y'all you because I remember back then when
Ebro was like, this is weird. Get this ship away

(49:35):
from me, don't And he showed up on like maybe
the second or third one when it was UK Fox
and Sight. He popped in because Odd Future was catching
some noise and I'm like, oh, now he brought show up.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
You remember the whole history.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
But no, it's a compliment because I can't think of
another artist and interviewer that has had that type of
relationship at the caliber of artist that Tyler is that's nice,
like that, that's crazy that that's not brought up more
that he continues to come back to your show every
single time. I truly appreciate that. I truly appreciate them.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It's Tyler and Clancy and yeah, Clancy reached out when
I was gone and said they wanted to come in,
and I was like, I'm on paternity and he was like, well,
you're gonna show. We need you to show up if
you if And I was like, what kind of asshole
would I be? I don't have I don't have a
lot of the you know people. He's like a guy

(50:29):
who's entering legend status, say please, we need to have
a conversation. So now it's super flattering and honestly like
they are literally among the only people who, no matter
what has happened, at every turn, Hey we're coming to town.
Do you want to go to the show? Blah blah blah,
like you know, and Rory knows me very well because
he's listened, he listens to my ship. He's heard my

(50:49):
complaints over all my years. Like I am a I
am beyond a sensitive type, and so that it goes
a long way for me that like they remember, you know.
And I asked Tyler in the interview, do you remember
our first interview. All he remembered was that it wasn't
in the radio station. It was in a hotel lobby,
which is crazy. But like I saw them, you know,

(51:10):
on the internet when people started seeing it. But I
remember the first time I saw the first Odd Future
video I saw. I remember it having under fifty thousand views,
and then I remember like it very quickly, having like
five hundred thousand million, and I hit it very very quick.
And then six months later or whatever it was, they

(51:32):
had that show in the city.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
It was that Highliner Santos.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I think it was at high Line high Line and
when I I went with Benner and I WoT money
and that was the one. We were terrified and everybody
was there, Like they went from like nothing to like
Paul Rosenberg was there, Yeah, every somewhere, from bad Boys,
everyone from every This is the time when that was
still happening, and they were all petrified. Yeah, everyone was

(51:55):
like because because everyone kind of bought the Odd Future gimmick,
like it felt like, oh my god, these guys are
like dangerous and that's what made it so fucking cool
is that, like these dorky kids, sort of suburbanit La kids,
like really created something that hit so solidly.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
But yeah, I was into it from day one.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
They did my birthday mad times, Like, imagine what I
paid Tyler versus what he's getting for a show today.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Bruh.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah. One of my birthday I was looking at a
picture for my birthday party, Tyler performed.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
That was the one that we shot right at a
best Buy Sony what a PlayStation whether shit is called now?

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Well I had two with them at PlayStation yeah or so,
but then it was Best Buy you.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Tyler was on the bill, Sizza was there, Frank Ocean
was there, like it was literally the Who's who was
about to become like it in music and it's crazy.
I was watching the video and I saw the age
of the kids in the crowd. Who don't get me wrong,
I was already much older than then. Yeah, Like I'm
I was in my early thirties then, and it all
felt like kids m hm. And it's just funny now

(53:02):
to be thirteen years older. Yeah, and so the distance
feels that much bigger between me and kids today. Although
the weird thing about Tyler is he still continues to
get these high school kids. Yeah, like he gets older,
like Tyler. I think mac Miller is similar. Yeah, time
goes on. Teenagers still right there. Yeah, it's like they

(53:24):
become coming of age music where now like once you
discover you love music, Yeah, you're gonna find mac Miller,
You're gonna find Swimming Hole is great at that.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Soon j Cole too.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
They keep continuing to get and it's like and I
think you know, now Kendrick seems to be in a
younger space than ever too, because he's now done this
popular the popular thing as well.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
But yeah, but Tyler in particular, like in terms of popular.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
With the kids.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's very cool now, it's I'm grateful
that they still want to talk.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
No, I mean here's the dig portion of it. Of
the flowers. Tyler's usually so innovative. It's crazy that he
keeps coming to you, which a human being you are,
you know, I'm serious. You know, Tyler would want to
find some new way to do interviews or whatever, but
still comes to radio and to you.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Have innovative though, Yeah, Like isn't that innovative? I mean
everything comes back everything, Yeah, to radio ship clips, did
I they call an old school rollout?

Speaker 3 (54:16):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
And by the way everything comes back, we missed the clips,
like so we were all off when the clips we
were we were we were part of that as well,
but missed it.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
But likely yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
But.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I'm trying to we had a scheduling conflict.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
I don't know what the inside joke is here.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Was it that they didn't call or all of our
fans have been considering this is the first time we
even acknowledge it.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
All our fans keep asking why the clips didn't come here,
And I don't know. We didn't. It just didn't happen. Yeah,
that's we pushed on. Just didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
By the way, I it's it's I got to tell you,
I'm really happy they didn't do your show. Also, it's
nice to meet one other person in media who they
didn't do. They didn't do. This is like the.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Collective of the people who didn't talk to clips.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
But like they talked to everybody though on a rollout
for real.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
And I wasn't offended by though, no, no, no, no,
I never offended when people I wasn't offended at all,
because I love them and I've been in contact with them.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
I wasn't offended. I did all left touch beforehand. Yah,
I felt left out. There's a difference between feeling left
out and being offended.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Well, I've been both that absolutely, I have too.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
But there's also the thing because you know, and watching
a lot of their interviews on their rollout, I'm like, damn,
but this hit that I would have asked. I know
that some people didn't ask, or maybe they told that
they shouldn't ask, But you just always feel like there's
a conversation that you could have specific within artists like
the Tyler that if you see talent so weel you're like,
he's not going to have the conversation that he would
have with Rosenberg.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
He's not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
So it's the same with me sometimes.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Year of course.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
And by the way, there also aren't that many people
left then, like, and I think you guys and I
probably aren't that far off in this way.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
We're like, we really would want to talk to them
and have a lot to talk about them. Yeah, absolutely,
there aren't that.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Like the clips are probably as popular and hit all
the touch points that we'd be interested in.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
There aren't that many of them that are gonna go
do it too, you know what I mean. But like
I really do think it's.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Innovative that Tyler does our show as media and like
I see that point. I like it is, you know,
like Drake's thing has always been embraced. Who the next
media person's gonna be and go be there? Yeah, Tyler
has gone complete opposite of like I don't do it often,
and when I do it, I do it with people

(56:24):
that I trust, yea. And by the way, it doesn't
matter because they're gonna your fans are coming to find
it either way, Like the Breakfast Club has a as
a bigger clearly a bigger YouTube presence than we do now.
Whoever gets Tyler doesn't matter which platform his people are
going to find for So you might as well go
a place where like you're gonna feel comfortable, have a

(56:44):
good time.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I've done three or four hard wars, like his fans
are going to learn more about him in a hard
ward interview than they would at if he sat with
Kai right more or less and not a slight skuy
but no, no, but of course like that it makes
pre sense and like he's he feels at home there,
like Tyler showed up dumb early, got there before me
was there dumb early, and stayed dumbly, like he feels.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
It seems like that type of person though, like he
still has that in them where you'll see him in
the most randomal places and he'll just be chilling for
a few hours and you, like Tyler, you have nothing
to do, like you just hear just kicking it with us,
like okay, bet.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Yeah, I can't you know, it's so it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I can't even e gauge like how Tyler's perceived because
I've like watched it so closely from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
It's like hard for me to even fully see me
Yeah like that, I know he's like he's a superstar.
He'll go outside and cause pandemonium for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah. I was outside with him for a minute the
other day and saw quickly. I'm like, oh, and he
doesn't even look like himself. Honestly, his look right now
with the fucking mustache truck around, he doesn't even look
like Toyner the creative. I drove by him at first,
I was like, and yet you know he gets stopped
by everybody. He really is, like that, what did you
think about.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
The album though, because we spoke about it, I didn't
heard not like.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
That was the first thing I heard about the album
was mall didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Really, that was the first thing I saw from the
West Coast, which was a good setup for me actually,
because I did like it. I need to spend more
time with it. It doesn't feel like it's going to
be chromocopia to me or something I'm gonna sit around
with all the time. It feels like a moment in time,
a vibe of feeling, and like it's going to have
like a few hammers that last. Yeah, I think Ring

(58:21):
Ring Ring is awesome, Like it's gonna have a couple
of records.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
That really play.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I would like Ring Ring Ring if we didn't have.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
No Kid, Like, why can't they both occupy it? I
just feel like I feel people don't think? Are they
people think that that I only like really caught was
when I saw Twitter comparing them so much. I was like,
I didn't because I like it, But I like it.
I feel like I would like it more if I
didn't hear No Kid this year a couple of months ago.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
I'm saying, what is that people think it's so similar?

Speaker 3 (58:49):
About it. I couldn't figure it out. I just saw
the whole energy is is kind of similar. No, I know,
I understand that.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
The only boost.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I like.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
I don't really see the comparison between them at all,
not compare.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I'm not comparing them, but I'm just saying I just
feel like, because I've heard Nokia, we've got that vibe.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I feel like if we didn't have that and I heard.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Ring Ring Ring, I would like ring Ring Ring Wait,
but as opposed to like songs that have even though
it's not sampled, Like I've had the original record and
the sampled record, and I like both of them.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Not only that, if you really think about it, for
like a DJ standpoint, like back in the day, it's
cool when you have records that now they play them
together like you can play them.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
In a set.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
You know, every Neptune's record for two years straight. Yeah right,
that were basically felt like they could have been the
same beat.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
But other than that, I just didn't it just that
I didn't. It didn't connect it. No, Listen, it's I
understood what you were saying, Like even though I didn't
feel the same way, I got it. Like it's a
specific thing. He said, his sweet spot's like one hundred
and twenty three bpm. I don't listen to a lot
of stuff at one hundred and twenty three bpm.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Tho often my.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Life is way much lower than then.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah exactly, But like I.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Just I just love to me when you start getting
into that status of like you have seven eight albums,
whatever it is, at a certain point it's about did
you add a couple of songs to your concert list? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Yeah, you're just creating a live so you added a
couple more Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that, And I
mean I've lived with it. It's still probably at the
bottom of his descography in my opinion, but I like
it when I'm not in traffic. That was the I
was going down the West Side Highway and I was like,
all right, you know what, I really do like this
ship and trying to talk me out of it. And

(01:00:27):
then I got to you know that like right by
Chelsea Peter, we're usually a traffic start. Once I said,
I was like, turn the off. Yeah, yeah, like when
I'm even cleaning the crib. I liked it. I have
to be in the right setting for it, which is
not a copying of Flea on the album See and
I don't like. I don't like when people say excuses.

(01:00:49):
I'm not finding an excuse. I like this album in
an environment that is moving.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
So this is what you guys do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
See, this is the problem. This is the thing about
you guys being actually popular. Okay, everything you say is
analyzed to the point that when you give a critique
on an album, if it's kind of like mushy Middle,
you're getting called out for it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yes, think they think I hate Tyler like they think
I hate him because you were just like, it's not
one like this last album, Like it's the craziest idea
that somebody can't like a Jordan's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I have plenty of Jordan's. It's something that I would
never even look at.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Right, I hate them doesn't mean it's not probably the
most greatest, most iconic sneak of all times, and that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
You don't have tons of them. This is this is
the this is the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
This is this is this is what makes it what
you guys do challenging, where like people really are weighing
like because it because that's not what music is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
A Thursday to Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
I don't even come on, bro, like, I need more
time with that to even possible if it is so
rare that I truly know after a day where I
sit on an album I've changed on. I don't know
if you've heard on the podcast when I did my
breakdown of the of the clips at the listening, but
I'm like, I can't give you a full review at
a listening. What do you think about it? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
They were four feet in front of me, wrapping along
to every word.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Oh like that, Yeah, yeah, you can't, you can't. That's
literally the artists are looking at you, lipsying your face
performing two of the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Greatest of all time, and I'm like, I'm not affected
by that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Of course I don't know the song.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
There's only been one time I was correct leaving an
album listening was Good Kid, Mad City, and we were
in chunking studios in the engineers, That's how intimate it was,
and it was Kendrick wrapping the album to push your tea.
I left and said, this is the greatest album I've
ever heard my fucking life, and the only time I've
been and you were like, this is actually pretty I
ended up being that there's been so many listening sessions
I've walked out of like nah he got he got one,

(01:02:40):
and then it come out, you know, like dud was listening,
it was like, oh he was wrapping it to my face,
that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
And some of the songs, some of the production, they play.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
So loud and you're not You're like, okay, but then
when you just hear it in regular life, you're like,
this is beat as a dud.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
It's not hating the same.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Yeah, I think the album is great. I think the
Clips album is best album this year, the best out.
I'd have to go back and decide how far back
we want to go. But I've been seeing that some
people have cooled on it a bit, like ah, we
got so hyped, or I saw someone say say the
other day, oh this Freddie gives alchemist. This is what

(01:03:19):
people thought the Clips album was. People just got gassed
on it because the rollout was so big. The album's fantastic,
it's it's among their best words. They've come they've clearly developed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Yeah, absolutely, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Like, as much as we like to joke about the
coke bars, it is true that at a certain point
that can't be all like you do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
You do have to truly evolve it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Not that they didn't always have other stuff in there,
but they've now they've mastered the other stuff. Yeah, Like,
the first record on the album is one of the
most touching songs I've ever heard anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
I just hate that they started that. I love that
they started with that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
That emotion is so heavy. It didn't take me into
chains and whips. I'm still crying. I'm still wiping my face.
I just can't that that emotion switch to me is
just too drastic as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
But I love the record though that's supposed You're supposed
to feel that way after a repass. All right, man,
we grieve this time to move the fuck on in life,
Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I guess. But that's just a weird way to start
an out, you see, you see it being like a
seven eight nine. If it's fourteen tracks, give me that
at number twelve, I feel you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
I feel you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
See, this is the point we were just talking about,
like who does hip hop podcast? We're talking about track listing. Yeah,
I mean we do this every episode saying if you're
not talking about track listing, yeah, are you talking on
what you're hip hop? You? Ever, you don't know the
track sequence.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I don't sequence in conversation. What are you talking about?
What are you even talking If we.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Could really get into a conversation about how many people
are actually doing the true music conversation and you guys
have real music conversation, I respect the hell out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I just feel like if you put that at the outro,
like you just leave the album, not Troe, not outro
in the middle though you would put it twelve eleven
twelve right there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Don't make me sad in the middle of it. Let's
let's and when I say get this out the way,
I don't mean it in.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
A bad way. I think that song should win a Grammy.
But yeah, let's start this way. And I hate my
brother talking about their parents passing. And then let's get
to the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I hated that Stove God didn't have a verse on
that record, but the hook is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
But the hook is basically a verse. It's so close
to him because I know what he can do with
that much space. The truth so so and we are you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
And I are clearly part of the Stove God contingency. Absolutely,
I'm a huge fan as well. The verse would have
been amazing and I had the same thought. But for
a lot of people, and let's be honest, most people
came to that. I don't know who stove God is, right,
I think they came away more familiar with him because
he's the hook one verse. It's cool because he can

(01:05:52):
stunt on you. Yeah, but the hook is what you're saying,
like they got. They probably come away feeling more connected
to stove God.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
He did the when we were talking, when I said that,
I felt like Stove Off the last three West Side
projects has turned into like the Griselda and Nate Dog,
Like his hooks on all of West projects, like those
are the standouts. Like his melodic ship is crazy. But
I'm still with you. He need he's the one guy politics. Also,
you don't know his situation. I get it, but he's here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
He's one of the guys that I'm waiting to sit
and talk to. He's I got a lot of questions.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Why were you just fascinated with him as a as
an MC oh No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Mean that's the easy part.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
But there's a lot of things around him as an
artist that I that I know and that I look
at and I'm just like, yo, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
He's had an interesting journey to getting here too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
That the journey is like, fam, what is going, what's
what's what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, I think I was first. I think the first
time I ever heard stove God Buster sent me the
link to stove God makes he was with rocking Everybody.
That was the first time that I heard him. He
sent me like stove god and pray at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Okay, that's sound right, Yeah, that's what I Because the
reasonable Drought was it was twenty twenty. Yeah, it came out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
That came out I think a week after we went
on Lockdown twenty six or twenty seven. Yeah, and we
went on Lockdown to fifteenth markteen something like that. No,
he's he's he's fascinating, He's dope.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
No, I love him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
I just I just his journey has been incredible. But
there's a lot of things, and you know, I want
to know about the dynamic between everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
By the way, so to me, is the one out
of that that entire I don't want to call it
the Gridzelda scene because it's more than just that. He's
the one that I think can actually break out and
be a superstar. I know that sounds insane for sty
Basically that makes sense, Like I really think he would
push the boundaries of that genre and be the first superstar.
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Superstar. That's a tough word. Superstar is a lot, that's
a lofty Where do we start the line at superstar?

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Well, don't get me started, because I actually contradicted myself
because I don't think Chris Rock is a superstar. But yeah,
and I remember that is that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
It was a tough moment, but and he was like
standing on it, hold on, there was part of it
I understood.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
What did you understand?

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Didn't he say something like if you saw him, you
wouldn't be like, oh my god, what.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Was the what was the CROs There was a couple
of different points, but one of them being that like
the pandemonium And we saw him and added him to
one of our tour uh videos because he just happened
to be standing right outside there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
He carries himself in an unsuperstar like way. I will
say that like Chappelle, Superstar gives when he shows up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Like you can see the hubbub around when Chappelle walks
into a place. I don't think Chris does that. But
he's still a super like. I still think Chris Rocks
the comedy. Yes, he is in comedy. I don't think
Chris he was a K lister in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
The world comedy. Are you about to tell me? No,
Chris Rock is a superstarring comedy. Okay, he's the status
quote like he's he's he's a list for sure. I'm saying,
put Tom Cruise and Chris Rock they're in the same sentence. No,
what's wrong with being a B lister? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
But here's Oh, that was what it came down to.
Usually the word be but B list has a feeling
connoted B list, B list. He's never you can't host
the fucking Oscars in B B list?

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Yeah, I think B list is tough. Okay, So that's
that's okay. So because Shane Gillis hosted the s p's,
he's in Assassin.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Is not the Oscars.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
I love esp if I told you guys, I love ESPN,
absolutely love your company.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
The Oscars.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Shane though, that was fucking hilarious. Why I have I've
had just a lot of mixed feelings about Shane about
he was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
It wasn't hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
It had it had good moments, good moment.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I thought the awkwardness and the bombs made it even funnier.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
So some sometimes I agree. What annoyed me was people,
you can't tell me someone killed. Don't say they killed.
If there's not great laughter in the room, that's not killing.
It might be innovative and interesting and brilliant. And it
went over their heads. You can't say they killed a

(01:10:15):
drop in the back, even if it's awkward. It's like,
even if it was intentionally awkward, he was paying homage
to Norm MacDonald. That's great, But like at the time,
just because other comedians all like love what Norm did,
that doesn't mean he killed at the time. God the dead, right,
it's interesting, but it's not killing. Superstar A List killed. Yes,
I would not say Shangelis killed. Definitely, it was very funny. Oh,

(01:10:36):
I thought it was hilarious, but no, he did not kill.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
My pro kill is everything he did, plus everyone falling
out of their seats laughing, so exactly. So.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
So shange Gellis to me is super talented and I
see why people really like him. Okay, like I do
like he He has moments and I think are really funny.
His SNL hosting the sketches he's in like shangelist is furthermore,
because what this is gonna be relevant with what I
say afterwards. I think he seems like a good dude, right,

(01:11:07):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
I don't think there's some air that I don't like
about him.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
However, I do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Think he is among the comedians who a lot of
their ship that they're doing right now is the funny
comes second after watch me push this boundary.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
And I don't think that at all of it. And
I think the comedians he hangs out with, Yes, but
I don't think that's shaying it at all. But that
was that night, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
That was especially in the boundaries, Oh my, there was
there was a bunch the are you gonna tell me that?
Saying that Karl Anthony Towns is here, Hey girl is
like a great joke, like I left, well you did,
you're a ship talker.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
I'm not saying like there's someone said on the corner
we laugh at it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
No, No, it's not prior. I'll get that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
But also it's the spis where No, I didn't want
him to give me a full fucking one hour special
type of bit, like the point of hosting a show
is quick quick hits, quick punch lines of who's in
the crowd. I didn't need him to give me a
Richard pryor fucking cooking free based cocaine.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
No, no, no, no, and for fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Right. This is I want everyone to bear in mind.
This involves complex thought and nuanced so this is a
very internet.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I think he's a good dude. I don't think his
intention is bad, but I think a lot of the like,
oh my god, I'm a white guy and I'm going
to say this joke about black people. While we might
think it's funny and laugh because it's a good joke
and we appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
That you cannot deny a certain part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
He knows its appealing to a certain crowd that is
giddy to see a white man make jokes about black
people in twenty twenty five. That edge we're fighting back
against the wokeness. It's baked in there, and he knows
it's working. I'm saying it makes it all not funny.
I'm not saying I'm offended by it. I'm just saying

(01:13:05):
I'm just saying I see it, and I see everyone
doing it, like, oh my god, look, can you believe
I'm willing to say now, listen, Compared to the other
ones out there, the hinge lifts, the Schultz is the bluff.
He's way more talented, way funnier, and I think could
probably have an entire career.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
He doesn't do it at all, but he is doing
it and it's winning for that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
So I think that's authentic to Shane, whereas like maybe
a Ari Shaffir will sit and think, like, what can
I do that would offend a person at this exact
time of who should be attacked? That is being protected?

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Great, It is more.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
I really think Shane is just just a big white
guy from Pennsylvania and this is exactly how he thinks,
and I think he balances it perfectly. I don't think
he he picks a specific group. I think he no,
I goes that everybody and does it in a pretty
tasteful ways, even when he calls somebody gay like it's funny,
but it has some tasteful and there's a background behind it.

(01:13:58):
More or less. I just I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I guess my feeling isn't Again, I know when people
hear this, they're just gonna call me a fucking snowflake
and I can't take a joke.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
I don't think anything's funny. All bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
It's it's a it's a it's a false narrative that
the only way to be edgy is to be white
and make jokes about minority groups.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
You would say, Shane, is that Go watch Ricky Gervasa
the Golden Globes five years ago. We can talk about. Yeah,
but no one, but no one gets fans out of
shape about that because he wasn't a white guy with
the audacity to make jokes about black people or gay people.
They might be in there, but that wasn't what it
was aimed at. His real aim was knocking people in
Hollywood peg and talking about the fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Epstein and Weinstein ship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
So like, no one talks about that because that doesn't
get white Middle America going.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Shane made a Epstein joke.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
He did, it was fair and that that was a
funny one that got crickets. And now listen, part of
that is, let's be honest, guys. Athletes don't all have
the best sense of humor. They don't. I'm sorry. It's
a tough athletes. Athletes is very rarely no more than
anything else their sports.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
So like when it kid starts to get kookie, they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Even know where to go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Not until they start to retire.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Do they get into other things, other areas. But when
when they're young and entrenched in their sport, they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Everybody as shieldburg arenas.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
No, that's why I love That's why I got into wrestling,
frankly because athletes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
I found athletes to be often boring to interview.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
And then wrestlers are amazing because they're athletic, but they're
also actors and they're also amazing, so they're crazy. They
they want to perform. They they have a lot more
to give you than just like I'm really good at ball.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Wrestlers have to be athletic and and entertaining and entertaining athletes.
You could be the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Like Kawhi Leonard comes to sit right here for two
hours and not say anything and he still can go
out and be the best in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Absolutely, you can't do that if you're a wrestler. No discussion.
How do wrestling scripts like come about? How do they
decide like who is going to be the champ?

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Well, It's funny you asked that because they literally just
dropped the show two days ago called Unreal, where they're
peeling back the curtain for the first like truly peeling
back for the first time. I mean, it's it's it's
a process. It's a writing team. I mean it starts
with Triple H essentially as the as the chief of content,
the chief content officer. But then after that it's a

(01:16:16):
writing team and then producers and the wrestlers, and it's
a long process.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Is it like Hollywood where like, all right, somebody may
be talented, they get one shot, and if they do
really well at that, all right, let's put them in
more movies for sure? Like that, Okay, yes, it's I'm
really sure if they just pick somebody like all right,
this is gonna be our guy.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
More often than not, something organically happens.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
First. They have a moment like that in the show
that just aired where they go up to ja Uso.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Triple H goes to jay us and is like, hey,
you're catching fire right now, and Taosa is like uh,
and he's like, this is right before the Royal Rumble, which,
for people who don't know the Royal Rumbles Big Battle
roy with everybody in it. Whoever wins gets a match
of WrestleMania for the title. MM the Week of Wrestling
the Week the Week of the Royal Rumble, Triple H
goes to jay Uso and is like, we're about to

(01:17:06):
put the rocket on your back, and James was like,
all right, and he's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Like everything you've ever wanted. He doesn't say what it is,
he just says everything you ever wanted? Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
You can't if I put the rocket on your back,
you cannot fumble the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
It's it's time. And James was just like, I got you,
I got you. They dap and walk away.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
He never says you're winning the Royal Rumble. He never
says you're going on to win the title, but it's
clear that moment, it's like, are you ready for it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
That's how YouTube conspiracy theorists think, the Illuminati conversation, are
you back? What happens in the music industry so into wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
We lost the iconic Whole Colgan this this past week,
and you know, naturally people went online and brought up
the whole whole Colgan is a racist and the things
he said in regards to who he would want his
daughter to date. What is your position on that thought
that Hugan should white women date black men? No?

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
No, no, But here's why.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Here's why I ask you because I saw I saw
an interesting I saw an interesting clip of Booker T. Yeah,
and somebody asked him if they felt if he felt
like Booker T the wrestler, and if somebody asked him
if he felt like Hul Colgan was a racist. And
if people don't know Booker t all of he's probably

(01:18:32):
Wrestling Hall of Fame, legendary wrestler, sixty year old black
man from Louisiana.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Bout my dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Let's just it's just fair to say he may.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Have experienced racism at some point in his life. I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
So, if somebody's talking to Booker Ter about hul Cogan
and do they think he's a racist, I'm gonna listen
because this is Booker T who spent who worked with him,
personal time around him for years, and the story that
he gave about Hulk Hogan and he was like, you know,
he may have used the word around me one time,
but he said, but he said Hogan used it because

(01:19:05):
they were using it with each other and he looked
at each other like it wasn't a color thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
They were all brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
And he said, Holgan, somebody I think macho man asked him, Hogan,
do you do you think do you think you're or
do you think something like that? They were at the
cafeteria of eating and he was like, well, if I am,
I'm a cool like that. Like it was like they
didn't the word didn't even mean anything because he knows
the man. The priest has said things that Hogan did
for him on a personal level, how he was with

(01:19:34):
his family and things like the man at Hulk Hogan
was He said, absolutely, I don't think Hulk Hogan was
a racist.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Was that that was this week after he passed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
This was after I heard it after he passed off,
and he was kind of I think he was speaking
as if Holgan had passed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
So this was a recent interview.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
So I just thought that that was an interesting perspective
because again, here's somebody who knows this man, who knew
the Hulk Hogan, the man, not the icon in the
wrestler knew and behind the scenes away from the cameras.
To me, that's what really speaks to a person's class
personality and things like that, like, Okay, if I hear
a clip of you saying I don't want my daughter

(01:20:11):
day to know, No, if she does, you got to
be eight foot tall, one hundred million dollars whatever, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
The fuck he's like when he wasn't in the cafeteria
with the fellas, No he was not.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
But what I'm saying is away from away from that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Again, his book of t Black Man from Louisiana spend
way more personal time around Hogan, who has his perspective like, no,
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Ho Cogan was a racist, So so it's it's it's
a very it's a super interesting subject. Again, not one
that lends itself to you know, short clips on the internet.
I I think that the Hogan tape was about as
bad a tape as I've ever heard released of anyone.

(01:20:54):
Not the not the the not the sex DA say
it was worse. That was the really offensive party. My man,
you're gonna anyways, I mean, I got in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Everyone's going through a tough time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Yeah, but the things that are said on it certainly
hurt me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
And I'm just a white guy who is offended by racism, right,
I'm obviously not a black person. I have a lot
of black friends who love wrestling who, like I can
tell you right now, it really hurt them, like in
a long term, fucked up their childhood. I have so
many positive thoughts about this person. The words were so

(01:21:34):
hurtful and they and I think all of us who
were hurt by it collectively wanted that moment when he
really took like this clean ownership of it, because he
had moments where apologize. Is to be clear, he did,
he did, but it always was kind of this air
of like I messed up. That's not me, brother, I

(01:21:55):
swear it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
The clear hurt people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
What I said was unacceptable, And I'm gonna put my
money where my mouth is and show how much I
feel bad by x amount of work in the community. Literally,
I'm gonna give literal money time. I'm gonna go with
Young Jeezy and give out turkeys in Atlanta. Whatever the

(01:22:24):
thing is. Though we could laugh about it, but like,
you gotta do the things, whatever it is. And by
the way, to me, the main thing was and I
I used the word on my show last week, eat shit.
But when I say each shit, what I mean is
that interview couldn't come looking at a white woman on
Good Morning America like he did it. He had to
go on a black platform and look a black person

(01:22:47):
in the eyes and have that conversation. In my opinion,
that to me would have really went a long way
of having that tough conversation with a person who was
hurt by it, and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
That never a way Furman and Oprah did exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Go to exact way.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
I was thinking about Mark Furrman and Oprah because that's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
The craziest interview I've ever seen in my fucking life.
I don't I don't remember that YouTube that tonight. That's
the craziest interview of both really. Yes, Oprah's like I
was really offended, and He's like, why would anyone think
I'm racist? Yo? So so so precisely, I think, I
think because those things didn't happen, a lot of people

(01:23:34):
are still very hurt by that, and I really think
everyone has the right to be as hurt by something.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Is there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
I just thought that book of Team Perspective was But
is it?

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
Here's my question, is it is it consequential?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
My dad used to always say to me, But I
always admired Howard Stern's radio acumen. Obviously, like a lot
of the bits that he did were offensive and not
for me. But I learned a lot of what I
do in terms of being transparent, all always being honest
on the air. If it's funny, you say it, if
it's good, I learned a lot from him. My dad
never fucked with him for a variety of issues that

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he heard him talk about. My dad. My dad makes well,
my dad decides, he decides didn't like him. And I
remember being like, but Dad, I've heard that he's a
really good guy. And my dad was like, it doesn't matter.
It only matters what you put into the world him
you being a good guy when you're private at home,
it's kind of inconsequential.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
What are you putting out to the world.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
And so unfortunately, I think that what Hogan ended up
putting out to the world was so bad in that
moment and never quite atoned for in a way that
satisfied people.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
That I mean, to be fair, he didn't put that out, no,
but he he sued Gawker. It also wasn't being a
good guy in his home at the time either.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
It didn't seem like, although I don't know what the
hell the situation was, that feels like the whole thing
was weird.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
I don't think that was as simple as it sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
There was some I know something about there was some
weird shit going on. Yeah, oh yeah, I mean either way,
you know what I was said behind closed doors about
somebody's daughter was trying to take Like, yeah, that says
as home as it gets.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Oh oh oh that part. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, listen. I'm sad.
I don't I really don't like to define people by
their worst moment or their best moment. Hogan is a
super to me. It's a complicated He's a complicated figure.
He's the reason. He's a major reason that it's such
a big part.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Of my life. I mean, it's if you grew up
in the eighties, he is the reason you watched wrestling.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
There's like you were so as a kid. There was something.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
I saw some bad takes this week moving around, by
the way, there were some I saw some people just
like like, there are so many takes you can have
about Hogan that are interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Talking about the race stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Yeah, even asking the question you asked, because like obviously
Booker has a way to feel the way he feels.
I know black wrestlers who certainly do not feel that way.
So like it totally depends. Everyone has their own right
in a moment like this, But some people just look
the lazy takes about him. At the very least it's
worth looking at. I heard some people say he's the
most American thing, and I think that's a really interesting

(01:26:08):
way to put it. He like he had all the
potential in the world. He made a ton of money,
He stepped on people on his way, he didn't take
ownership of the ship that he did wrong. He then
pretended like it was all good. Let me sell this beer.
It's all super American. He's the Dallas Cowboys are.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
He does represent America and its false and it's positivity.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
It makes you feel good and at the same time
cringe like it's all all there, but like but a legend. Nonetheless,
I personally separate him a bit like guys. Listen, Kanye
West is an avowed Nazi at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
He didn't he take it out of his rhymes. Last week, Well,
what about the Haml Hitler song? Is that still up?
He talked about old ship come on again with the
Times man like literally like two days ago, he wasn't
even like North Korea or some shit, and he moved.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
He moved to Japan.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
I believe, right, is he?

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
No, wonder I heard Japan's about to start restricting their visitors.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Kanye on the Nazi line and uh flashing lights? What
was the level? I'm not gonna say either of the
words that are in that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Yeah, I don't. I don't remember either way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I was gonna say this though, Kanye West is basically
a Nazi at this point. And if my man had
a good apology tour and just didn't say shit bad
for like six months, I would be playing the ship
in the crib again. Like we want to forgive, we
want to forgive the people whose stuff that we love.
I don't want to. I don't want to hate Kanye

(01:27:44):
like people think I get pleasure out of when I
have to call his shit out and like you think
I get you know, I bought tickets to his concert
like I didn't just most everybody I've seen for fifteen years,
I got comps for Kanye. I forked over money to
go to concerts like I'm a I was saying, I
be the sneakers.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
He's the biggest artist in my life period. I was
from nineteen ninety. He is the biggest artist in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
In your personal life, yep, yeah, none of us want
to be mad at that person. Like when they asked
me to go to fucking Wyoming, I wanted to go,
and my brain, I'm like, oh man, this sounds fucking cool.
People just hang out and listen to music into me
fucking campfire, which hangout, hang out with Kanye and Dave Chappelle.
But he would he'd already gotten on the weird shit,

(01:28:28):
and I was like, I can't go. This guy just
said the slavery was a choice bullshit, and this is
before the jew shit even started.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
So like, I take no pleasure in that. And my
point is this the same with Hogan.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I just wished even though Hogan they're different, but I
just wish it had been cleaned up. I wish when
he passed, I didn't have like a feeling of mixed feelings.
I wish I just felt sad.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Are you asking if someone just goes on a press
run after and apologizes like the way Kramer went on, Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
I'll tell you what the hell of an apology. Recently, though, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Saying his first one when Jerry sif who's the one
with Letterman? Was that Letterman and Kramer zoomed in before
zoom was a thing, and he said, I offended some
Afro Americans and were like, Kramer, this is worse. Stop
what you're doing over zoom A recent one. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
It was right after that that footage Leader and you
know what he ended up doing though the Kramer literally
disappeared for the better part of ten years and then
did curb and then he's a herb and then when
he came back. Now I saw an interview with him,
like a year, let's put a book. He put a
book out or something. He literally now talked to like
a whole different tone and like everything he says, like
did Ayahuasca? I think he did Iowa.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
So I'm saying he had a reset. Kramer was not
my example. I'm saying, is he supposed to just Kanye
Hulkogan if he was alive, just go on a press
run and be like I didn't mean it, and then
it's like, oh no, no, you good.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
No. I'm being a little tongue in cheek when I
say that, I would want it to be Like my
point is, though, even Kanye where it was about, because
by the way, people are alway different about their own
group as everyone else. I'm just trying to point out
the Hogan shit hurt mea the Kanye shit hurts me. Yeah,
I would have forgiven Hogan. I would still forgive Kanye.
That being said, it doesn't look like there's any chance

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he's ever going to get healthy enough to do that,
because to your point, no, it could not just be
a rollout.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
He couldn't do a clips press run and in the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Interview with you know, Elliott and DJ Head he says
he's good and then all of a sudden, we're good.
But if it was a real like over time, putting
your money where your mouth is really showing change and
you see that he's gotten healthy, he's not well most
of the Yeah, I'm just saying I would be willing to.
And I think if you're a Jewish fan of hip

(01:30:43):
hop and you loved Kanye, you're really hoping deep down
one day he finds his fucking mind and you don't
have these feelings anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Yeah, it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Yeah, how many yeezies have been wasted? Have visually the
price even on Stocky's looked easies. Yeah, they're pretty cheap, right,
Oh my god, they're all sitting. Just go to General
Square in Jersey City. You could just walk into any
of those are But I guess my question there more
was to the public. How can someone really go on
an apology press run at this point with how many

(01:31:15):
people can talk on the internet? Because even if Kanye
smoked that it was sincere, is it going to work
for one half?

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
I think so if it was a life change, it
would eventually you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Have to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
It can't just be It can't just be an interview.
It has to be when you see him now away
from the interview in life, how he's moving around, just
moving different, Just tell he's healthier years years.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Speaking from someone that watched Hunter Biden do it to
our podcast, and I was sitting there like and now
you want him to come Damn, I'm like cracking hose.
Why was I even mad at this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Like he became he became human to like, damn, is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
This working on me?

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
By the way, I didn't even watch the thing, and
I was never mad at Hunter, but I mean I
was never mad at Hunter.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
But but you're like, why was this an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Yeah, I didn't even know gun it was a little
weird listen man for the Second Amendment. Yeah, but I
thought all the crack that he had was the weirdest
part to me. Just a crack left. That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
And then nobody act like nobody in the White House
figure out where that that came from. That was the
most amazing part of you. We we we looked at
the cameras. We don't know how this coke got y'all
know how that shit the president.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
This is where I can't agree with you. There the
amount of people that do cocaine at the White House.
To think it was Hunter Biden, that's a stretch. It
could have been his dad to stick his ass back speech,
it was one of the bidies and came in with
you don't think every White House a no matter what party,
no matter what year, there was somebody that does not

(01:32:47):
do cocaine frequently during the day.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Oh no, for sure, frequently always in every White House,
is there someone doing cocaine? Yes, yes, somebody's microdoc and
I guarantee at every hour of every day at the
White House, since when did the shit open, somebody was
doing cocaine every hour you're going with in the history
of the White House. I I that's like one of

(01:33:11):
the only things I'd stand on one percent, no matter what.
You could literally kill me if this is false.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
I'm pushing back on this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
I think for every time we hear a Kindrick record
on power, somebody's doing a line in the White House.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
That's a that's a I really I I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
But the thing is, I haven't been around cocaine very much,
so it's obviously more frequent than I'm aware of. I
have not seen a lot of coke in my life,
and I know it's getting done because cocaines are very sneaky.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
But like getting into the White House is just like
a certain level that you have to be at to
even get your clearance.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it happens. I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
I think every hour is wrong. I think you are
patently wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Okay, crazy doing a line every hour in the somebody
selling it. I was going to go every thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
People can.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Working.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
I think there's a lot of people that work in
Why Yeah, but how many are you thinking over a hundred?

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
I mean, sure, including Secret Service. You can see your
serves doing cocaine. Also, I think they need to do it.
It opens it there. Whibley on the lesser side of it.
But I think every person on the staff in there, Yeah,
there's a high I'd say about one hundred and fifty
to sixty people right up and wash so that I
would say, I would say at least ten people out
of that one hundred and sixty are doing cocaine frequently

(01:34:28):
during the entire day.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
I think this is part of the disconnection that we
have between how like people see Washington and how it
actually is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Like I, me and Sife have had arguments about this.
It is not as crazy now right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Now, different conversation because the White House currently is not
filled with people who actually are of that world. It
is filled with probably lunatic coke heads who were doing
Fox News year ago.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Doing coke and now they're in the White House.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Oh see Previously these are generally lifetime Washington types. Like
I know those types, and I don't mean to blow
up everyone's stereotypes and fun conspiracy theories. Most of them
are really nerdy and work really fucking hard, and that
is how they get there. For the most part, even
in previous Republican administrations, I would say that we are
currently in the waw waw West. I don't know what

(01:35:19):
is going. But prior to that, I in my experience
growing up in Washington, knowing mad people who worked in
the White House.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
On the Hill, it is more boring than you're giving
a credit.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Okay, you are all right. I'm not making an a
Washington thing or a White House thing. The aids and
the people that work in that all. I'm not saying
every senator is doing coke. I'm saying the people that
work there. I worked in an advertising agency in Tribeca,
way different. I was literally the only person I was.
I was very vanilla and num to coke like I
didn't I didn't even know. It was like, wait, why

(01:35:51):
didn't I didn't know this? Many people did cocaine.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Yeah, but you were an advertising That's literally like people
are having drinks at eleven am too. It's a different suggestion.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
And before that, I was at def JAM when I
was at a lower level. Then after advertising hot took
off a little bit, started getting into some mixes. I said,
I didn't know everybody in the music business was doing
coke too. I found all of this out as I
was going so to say that people that have to
work twenty four hours out the day with some of
the craziest human beings are not on cocaine at all times.

(01:36:20):
It's insane to say.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
That'd be the place I would have the coke. I
hear you. Our advertising company didn't need it, right. I
just don't think that Washington is previously tilling.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Me just having for sex in what was that ship
that came out? What was at the floor was wherever
the Senate was?

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Senate?

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Yeah, who was having sex?

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Remember you dont remember that video came out?

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Was that during found down some asshole.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
And by the way, you don't have to call it
gay sex.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
It was just sex.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Yeah, but gay people were having It's like if two
if a gate has dinner, we're going to a gay denner.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
It just crossed my mind. I'm not trying to be
that guy. It only crossed my mind right now when
Rory said it like.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
The Senate and then I stopped. Then my liberal mind
kicked in and I actually stopped. I was like, he's
fucking right up. If a man and woman was sucking
in there, I would have said, you know, they was
sucking in there people.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
Yeah, you know it's bad because gay sex is different different.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Coke.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Oh man, yo, pete man, thank you for coming through.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Man, this is like yeah, absolutely, father, absolutely, congrats.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Yeah, we're supposed to have our whole wholesome fathersation.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Two dads.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
He just did a trip.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Yeah, no, listen, we should we used to wrap it
up on the gay sex, straight sex. No, I am
a dad.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
It's very it's a lot of fun. I fucking love it. Yeah,
it's everything. Everybody said more you have kids.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
No, no, yeah, I thought you have enough nieces and
nephews though, Yeah to know the whole game. Have you
traveled with them before?

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Uh? Not all at one time? No?

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
That would be very expensive and a big headaches.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
So literally the worst thing I will just I just
realize that, Like when I was carrying around this amount
of stuff, I'm just like I realized that the difference
between me and the successful and very rich people that
I know is if you don't know the life of
trying to maneuver your kids stuff onto the plane, like
if you do some shit with private jets, yeah, yeah,
you don't know, yeah, or like or you go to

(01:38:18):
that clearance part of the airport where they like take
your stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Yeah on the plane.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Yeah no, if you don't know that regular regular, you're
just hoping your baby stops making.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Noise on the plane. You don't want to interrupt anybody,
Oh my god. Like and then and then, by the way,
so like we're flying again in a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
The amount of work that I'm doing to transfer points
so I can upgrade us to business class because that
business class international.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Oh yeah, I listen. I don't know about you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
I personally, I don't make twenty million dollars a month
on Patreon, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
I'm out here living a regular life. Neither does other people.
But someone say neither does anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
But but if you're a regular person, even if you're
doing well, Actually, here's the point where I don't relate
to you anymore. If you see that the upgrade to
business says your ticket went from twelve hundred to six thousand,
and that doesn't make you go well, business class was
an interesting idea.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
I don't relate to you anymore because the idea that
all of.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
A sudden, my trip's going to go from being I
spent three grand for us to fly to fifteen grand
for us to fly that's not I don't know how
rich i'd have to get where. I wouldn't care. I
really don't know. I hope I find out. But yeah,
the amount of finagali I'm doing on my next trip
transferring points.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Over a year.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Let me get these amps. Because bro, the lap infant
thing is great.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
You can bring your baby on the plane with you,
but then you're stuck sitting next to two people.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
It is rory. Yeah, no, I've been wait till you
try to finesse that your daughter's passport is wrong and
she's actually younger. I did that to Florida. I no,
you didn't. Now that's how How do you try to
finesse that? Though? Don't they look at it? Or hope?
I don't know. No, No, I tried.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
It didn't work, they saw it. I'm my father's son.
I try to find any scam in anything. It looked
like she's too old for this, because I did. I
was the first lamar head just because its lap is
up till two. So she just turned too. We went
down to Florida and I was like, I can get
away with this. Brought her passport because we have clear
and before clear. Before they never asked for a Mars passport. No, no,

(01:40:24):
that you just walked through. You just walked through. So
they stopped us and did a Mars thing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
They're like, does she needs to have clear? She doesn't
need clear? Does no? But they asked for all they
asked for my dkey is ID? Everyone's ID and they
were like, she doesn't have a ticket, she's two years old.
I was like, and you have to go buy one
right then?

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Wow, that hurts you. Yeah, that's that's that's what I
wasn't mad. The chances of Clear doing that are so
low that I really thought I could get away with this.
The scam was kind of worth me to because it
wasn't that crazy. It wasn't that crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
But now I'd say that the baby thing has been
Wait till you're in a Mexico city therefore for eleven
hours with a hangover after your birthday, and then sit
middle seat economy with your one year old daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Then talk to me, what do you do?

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
What did the people do? By the way, once the kid?
So let's say let's say you do well in life
and you do pay for business class. Cool, you finally
dealt with it. You look around, You're like, I paid
I paid, yeah, damn three grand for me and my
wife to five first class, but now you got to
buy another one wants the babies two years and two days,
and you know, nothing gets me matter in the world.
The one like if I'm stuck in coach and I

(01:41:31):
walked past, like I went for an upgrade, they didn't
have it. It's too expensive, Like I said, you have
that flight where it's like five thousand, I'm like, I
can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
I'm gonna have to do.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
I'll get the best coach seat I can get.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
It's all I can do. And you're walking through first
class and there's like a six year old and their
own first class seat. Oh yeah, And I'm like, I
didn't you know, guys have.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Swere to god I was first class. I swear to
god I was. I might have been.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
I might have already touched forty before I gotten a
first class.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Never until this podcast, I never touched first class.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Never. And if part of your life like my parents
would first class, my parents don't do Southwest Flora, Okay
to Florida, that whole. And then when you see a
little kid who's flopping around in the seat looking like
a baby Chris. This kid he doesn't know, he doesn't

(01:42:18):
even know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
But so I used to think that all the time too.
And then in the beginning, when I didn't have to
have Amara as a second seat, I was like, I'm
doing the same thing, though, why is my toddler in
first class? Now she's too She's never getting a fucking
first class. That's it, that's it. That's why to Florida
we were flying economy. That's you have to know, or
or here's what you have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Isn't there a situation What you could do is you
get two first class seats one coach seat.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Ah. I like that strategy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
You and you and your daughter sit in first class
when the flight takes off because I'm the man and yeah,
way more important. You did everything, and then once you're
up in the air, I feel like you're white can
just come and sit with you and put your daughter
on her lap unless it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Moment where they say to buckle up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Yeah, and then you can basically all hang out in
first class and then when it's time to land, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Yeah, we'll go back to our peop Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Anyways, you can hear musings like this what Happens Life
wherever you find podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Shouts out to one app a cipher sounds Pete, thank
you for coming through matth like this conversation was long overdue.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
I'm glad we got to finally have it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
It was long.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Yeah, definitely long and overdue.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
I really appreciate it. Proud of you guys, y'all are
doing your.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Thank you man.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Appreciate going to shame you into coming this Little Brother show.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Yeah, I really I really should go. That's gonna be amazing.
And I thank you guys for being some of the
very few people who I don't hate on. When I
see you on the internet, I just enjoy yourself. It's
all love. I'm not nigga, he's just Jeju. That's Peter Rosenberg.