Episode 363 | Our Casual Opinion - New Rory & MAL

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
No, we could do a rolling star. PJ wants us
to do an icebreaker to start this episode. What icebreaker
did you have in mind? Beach exactly suggested something without
the solution. All right, Well we are back, and we
are joined by a friend of the show, journalist, writer, podcaster, rapper, manager,

(00:29):
every single hat you can think of in the industry,
this gentleman has worn. He's also just an incredible human
being and it's been a friend of mine for I
don't know fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
At this point, I think we're around in eighteen actions
something like that.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Something stupid.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
We are joined by mech mack. What's up man, that's
our live studio audience. Oh wow, you didn't see all
of them.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, people, people, that's what they don't see.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
What is your elevator pitch?

Speaker 6 (00:56):
Like?

Speaker 5 (00:56):
How do you because you've done so much? Like, what
do you say?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I do what I want? I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'll do what I want.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yeah, what do you do for a living? What I want?
Hold on?

Speaker 7 (01:08):
Hold on?

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Hold on whole the whole mic came out, not breaking ship.
That's what I do.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Okay, and we're back. I take back that entire intro
because Met came in here.

Speaker 8 (01:17):
He's not the.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Professional I thought he was. He took the label off
the water, so I was like, finally we're dealing with
a professional here. But never mind, he broke the microphone,
so I take back everything that I said, erased his
entire career just based off that microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Right before we get into that though episode A new
episode of Don't Know Balls available now with our guy
Zach Randolph.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Shout out to z Bo for kicking it with us
for a few legendary legendary power forward seventeen NBA VET
and a great businessman and just one of the most
solid dudes that probably have ever made it through the NBA.
So shout out to Zebo for kicking with us.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I didn't even know before we did the research that
he discovered money bag yea like, I had no idea
that he was behind.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, that's that's one of those that's one of those
wild stories. Yeah, comes out of the blue, unex.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
It would be him. Who's the guy that found Meg?
Why am I blanket Q tip?

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Besides Q tip?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, the baseball player is usually athletes fuck up labels
like pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Those two are the only ones that have really been successful.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Right, Oh, there's probably some more sprinkled in there.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Quietly, can you can you call what happened with Mega success?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, Meg thee Stallion? Yeah, I mean like there there
all their time together.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I mean it was bad business, but usually when athletes
dump all their money into a rapper, they usually go
absolutely nowhere. So it was bad business, but that's not
an athlete thing. That's the music thing.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
True.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
True. That's why I give it the credit to q Tip.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, which is also the wildest thing.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
That was the story for me, knowing q Tip had
a hand in like Meg thee Stallion, and then you
hear about all the other careers he's he's helped launch,
and all of a sudden, Meg doesn't seem so far fetched.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
He saw Iggy az Alien was like no more, that
was going towards the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Remember when you Tip started a Twitter just to give
her a dissertation on hip hop.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
And he's defense, She's like, why are you telling you this?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's hilarious? That was a damn How long ago was
that many moons?

Speaker 9 (03:12):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I mean at least what ten now? Almost?

Speaker 3 (03:15):
When's the last time you heard a Niggy song.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
I probably twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, something like that.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Q Tip wasn't wrong. He was predicting the future. We
should have paid attention to what he was saying. On
tw he should have added all of us, not just Diggy.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I thought it was coming from a place of like
really wanting to help. I didn't see a lot of
malicious toalk.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
But you know how it is. Make You can't even
when you're trying to help an artist or somebody that's
trying to do something, it's once it's publicly, Like, once
you make it public, that conversation is public and you
say something that the artists may or may not like,
it's going to be deemed and turned into something negative
and all he's trying to play or you know, they're
trying to disrespect you.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
You know how it is.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
If we never thinking it's constructive critics, you can't. You
can't leave it there. I understand that that's how it is. Yeah, Like,
once it's public.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Now, if we had a conversation privately and then I
went to the timeline and said, you know some of
the things we spoke about, that's different. But if I'm
addressing you for the first time cold addressed publicly, there's
never any good that's going to come from that.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
But now the other side of that coin is I
don't say something, and I'm the OG and this person's
career derails and goes head on into a ditch, and
then it's the OG's don't help the OG's, don't say nothing.
And then even when you say something behind the scenes
and they take the information and go a completely different
way with it, and then they run it off into the ditch,
it's well, nobody was helping me, nobody X, Y and Z.

(04:35):
You make it public because the career is happening in them,
and I want everybody to see me trying to actively
help you. I don't want it to be something that
stays behind the scenes, because the career is not happening
behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Careers happening. But I'm a public figure. You're a public figure.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Okay, here's my public advice to you publicly for all
the shit you keep doing in public. The backfire is
the part that I don't like, because then then it's like, well,
the OG's don't help the young cats. But when we
say something, we're trying to play.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
But That's what I'm saying. It has to be a
private conversation as well. I think we need to change
that narrative. Why if you're really trying to help me,
like you know, don't just help me on the top.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Of Iggy is publicly speaking like Crocodile Dundee and then
getting on a record publicly rapping like what she thinks
a black girl sounds like I think you Tip can
publicly say shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
No, no, he can. I'm just saying that, if you're
really trying to help. Oh, I don't think he was
fursting on the artists. I don't think he's trying to help.
I think he was trying to make a point of
where things I thought he was.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I thought he was trying to help, but you got
to have thicker skin.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I think he was trying to drain the swamp. Yeah,
two things would be true the same. I think he
was trying to drink like that was a he cast
it a wide net. All of you that's in this
game that just trying to get a check and trying
to just capitalize off this culture. Stop.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Can we reactivate his Twitter now to at Tommy Richmond?
Is that doable.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
What's wrong with Tommy?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Man?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Tommy didn't want try to box somebody. He was talking
to mech when he said that, don't box him. And
he's not just a rapper. Listening, he's not just hip hops.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
The CIA link with the FBI Sexy read Tommy Richmond. Listen.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
You guys said he was hip hop and then he
said he wasn't and now he's hip hop.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
No, no, he said, he's not just hip hop. See, we
gotta we gotta make He.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Said, don't box me in, but let me submit for
a Grammy in the hip hop category.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, absolutely, naturally, Yes, I got a better chance of
winning in that category.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yes, damaras you defended Sexy Red and Bruno up and down.

Speaker 9 (06:30):
Okay, allegedly we can all now the.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Dust and settle. We can all agree that song stinks, right, I.

Speaker 9 (06:35):
Told you.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
I don't know the name of it.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Bruno and Sexy Yeah, yeah, juiceeing that one. Oh my,
that song was terrible.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
He did the movement with it.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, that song was. That song is.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Nasty and they owe Nipsey's family royalties off that ship.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
But last time that I checked, it's just.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
A bite of that. And then they threw Bruno mars
on it, okay, fat juicy in what yea.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Or last time that I checked it was fat juicy
And I don't ask what.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
I don't think the last time wat year any of
them are trying to take us with that.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
It's definitely not not really what I should have checked
in is.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
What he should have done.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
What's happening here?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Listen, man, I don't dislike Tommy Richmond. I thought his
remarks were sometimes he would just shut the fuck up
and like, think about what they're saying.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
This is another ploy.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
You guys called me crazy for saying that they're just
using sexy red as to fill in.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Ghetto girl?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Is she the token black girl?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
And the way they tried to do with party but
now doing with her and Tommy Richmond coming off that
like this is this is so.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Label put together. It's kind of disgusting. And the song
is probably gonna be greatly, gonna be far better than
Bruno one, but it still looks nasty as fuck.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
That's I don't I don't know about Well, we'll see. Well.
I don't like.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
To Tommy don't miss I loved his probably, but it's
it's very post malonious about Tommy don't miss.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's just hilarious, Like we act like Tommy Richmond is
like this legendary. Like I'm not saying he's not, you know,
a good artist, but saying he doesn't like we know
the people that don't miss.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
I don't know if Tommy is.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
In that it's that.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Is coming?

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Did this clam is coming?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Bat?

Speaker 9 (08:22):
I say don't miss and means Tommy Jackson doesn't miss.

Speaker 8 (08:26):
Like doesn't miss, Like Tommy makes music that it's hard
not to like. He's not taking a huge rice. It's
palatable and it's palatable. It's not gonna be the greatest
thing in the world, but it's not gonna be bad.
So that's different from not missing. But that's not it's
not missing.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Tommy Richmond is like New York pizza. It's gonna be
hard to find terrible pizza, but you know.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
But there's even still there's pizza, still pizza.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
We know what better In New York City, you have
to like actively try to find bad pizza.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
So you're saying Tommy and Sexy read or too bros.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, that's not that's not That's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
I'm actually that bad. That's not what I'm saying. What
two roads affordable? Yes, what do you find? Like, yeah,
it's everywhere.

Speaker 9 (09:12):
Two bros.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Is good though it's not bad to dollar sce is
not bad at who broke?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Were not listen, We're not even going down this whole
two Broses of dollar slights. That's they brought the dollar
slics back. You aren't saying weed is good because it's
five hours. I don't want to hear that. That's bad
when you are literally getting what you're paid for. Yeah, literally,
you're literally getting what you paid for. That don't mean
it's good. But still it's just say it's a dollar,

(09:36):
but don't say it's good.

Speaker 9 (09:37):
It's cheap.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
They got rid of the dollars slights. Two bros. Came
around what like twenty ten or some ship. Yeah, yeah,
they brought that ship back in twenty ten. I needed
a dollar spicce. Yeah, I'm gonna save my fucking.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Life to l i U.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
I ate that ship for dinner every day.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I mean for a dollar, you can't really be in
there tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
Is this like, well, you can't do right, it's a dollar.
But you also wouldn't use the term this don't miss
I'm not gonna say two bros, don't miss it. They
don't miss the man.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
They know what I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Every single dollar enough cheese.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Get out of here with that bump slice. Man, that's
a terrible slice of too, bro.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
And it's a factory. You just have to wait in
line until you see the pot fresh podcast. Yeah, they're
really getting like.

Speaker 9 (10:16):
With the mango madness.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Come on now, Oh wow, mango madness is fire.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
The marriage used to be a chicken head. You see
mango madness snapper. Mango madness snapper and the slice. That's
chicken ship, that's not for sure.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Smell the pink oil moisturized right there.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
I know you all talking about pink, talk about pink
all this ship I have.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
I have grown sisters. I lived in the house with
all kinds of everything.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
I've seen it all.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, Bro, pink pink oil straightening combs in the kitchen
like all burnt necks. I know the smell of all
these weird things walking around. That part of the smell
growing up in the black house, it's just right there.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
For who was who a lod was burnt? I smell
it all.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Used to blame it on his sister when he was
cooking something else. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Don't talk about that.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Exposed like burnt hair, tom don't tom right hair, Tommy.
A lot of these pots and pans look like we
had to do. We had to do, make make it great.

Speaker 9 (11:23):
And that's what that cooking crack no, like, because.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
What is happening right now? Like what are you asking me?

Speaker 9 (11:30):
I really had a wrist.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I've never done that. I've never done those things.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Hypothetically, like for hypothetically, like the way people lyeing raps,
like we don't want to wrap wrap Oh.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, we could break that
down and that's gonna it's gonna lock up, its gonna
come right back.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
When I met you, you worked at the hospital, right, Yeah,
had great times at the hospital. Shout out to the
armisis for the hospital.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
You didn't have a ton of lot Yeah, healthcare on
the East Coast saying yeah, that's what that's gotta count
for something. Yeah, but Tommy, Yeah, I can hear this song.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
It's just a snippet. Yeah, it's a snippet.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Don't I don't you know, I'm not clicking on the
Tommy Richmond snippet but you know, y'all said, he don't miss.
Let's see if you don't miss.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
I get the formula.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Do you think we'll ever get a sexy read album
or she just gonna be the personality insert verse.

Speaker 9 (12:15):
I think they're already released.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
I know, I'm saying again.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
We may be down to only maybe really seeing consistent
albums from maybe twelve artists. We need to just have
that and the mainstream.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
You're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I think a lot of people are just singles, you know,
put something on it, maybe a soundtrack or something, if
that's even the thing anymore. But as far as like
these artists really putting it, putting out albums and and
labels getting behind every artist to get album done, those
days are we're further away from those days than we
are closer.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
To those days.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
It almost feels like it's it's more troubling. It's worth
to put the full body together when you see somebody
have this massive success from a single, Yeah, and here
you are putting all this time and then but I
still think bodies of work from og artists.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Oh yeah, are still because very much need.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
The rumor wants to hear that, and is that's how
they consume music.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
It's aboudy.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
But these new artists, especially if you signed to a major,
If I look what a single does with no overhead
and just a digital budget, why the funk would I
have a whole recording for the album right exact?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Then I got to both the songs, the songs we
were talking yesterday, the songs now are even being constructed
for you know, social media, just to have that one
twenty seconds of a song that's like, they love that.
They love that part of the record. You may not
ever hear the other parts of the record, but that part.
We saw the artist that was mad at his show
a couple of years ago, Wise's name leaving me right now,

(13:39):
Steve Lake, Yeah, it mad and everybody, you know, you
got to play the a guitar when everybody got mad,
when he got mad at everybody was coming to that's
a song again, you know player, that's the point. Everybody
just does this.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
This is nothing.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
You gotta do this too. But yeah, when they were
coming into his show just for that song, because that
was the song that was big on TikTok and that
was the song that everybody loved. And as a true
artist that Stephen Lacy is He's like, yo, like you
know how much other shit? That's like asking Prince Well
not to compare him to Prince, but if everybody just
wants to hit purple rain, right, Prince's like, y'all know

(14:12):
how much other dope shit? I got, Like, why y'all
just so again? Music is being made for just that
quick consumer twenty seconds.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
I like that twenty seconds.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I could post my picture, my carousel on social media
with my you know, my vacation just to that twenty seconds.
So would why would I label want an entire album
from artists that's not proven to be a true artist.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think, well, number one, if they haven't, If they're
not proven to be a true artist, you probably shouldn't
have signed them.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
No, but not if it is in logic, Yeah, like
if they have a six if they're having different artists.
You know, the clickable every time, you know, traction impressions,
things like that, they pay attend to the analytics. Anytime
you attach this person's name to something, everybody clicks on it,
they visit it. They making money like that. Now with
the music, it's like I don't need this person to
be Beyonce. I don't need them to be a true

(15:03):
artist like an Usher or any of these other people.
I just need them to be you know, sexy. I
need them to you know, their name, to be clickable.
I need them to have some personality.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
And you set up an industry where we lose forty
percent of sales, you need to chop down the staff massively.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Shit turns into McDonald's so fast food. The cultural aspect
starts to wane, and you train the fans to literally
turn something off after a few minutes, and you can't
maintain a fan base that way. Like again, you'll get
people who show up to the concert want ahead to
twenty seconds and then leave and get bored. Like long term,

(15:41):
big picture, you are arranging a business. You're setting up
this industry to fail in that regard. The new fans
only know what you show them. We all have our
experiences where music was the backdrop of whatever it was.
Certain songs fit certain moves, if ever, songs coming from
a new artist, and no song had no artist has

(16:03):
a collection that makes you sit down and go damn,
this album was the one that was behind me when
this thing was happening. Like I know a lot of
people who reasonable doubt and the blueprint go back and
forth because at that time in their lives, these were
the albums that spoke to them. They if you only
have a song, I think it's up to I think
it's I say all that to say, I think it's

(16:24):
up to the executives and the people who are making
these decisions to think about the overall health of the business.
And I don't think this practice is healthy.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
But is that a music problem or just a world problem?
In music? Is a result of that, because even if.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
The music business had good intentions and wanted to train
the new consumers to love bodies of work and real musicians,
you're trying to teach a brain that can't be taught
that because the environment they're in now is microwave as is,
like they can't be purest in one thing and also
get raised on TikTok for fifteen seconds. Well like, their
brain can't even be trained that way because they grew
up in a time that's just like.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
I get I get that, But you don't stay a kid,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Nobody stays a kid.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
When I was a kid, I date kid things when
I grew When I grew up, all of a sudden,
I had appreciation for all this other fly shit that
was around me, and I would think, just as a businessman,
the long term goal instead of the short quick flip
would be a smarter thing to look at the overall
health of the business. I just don't think this is

(17:24):
overall healthy.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, I mean, the labels got into the tech business.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
They're not really in the music business anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Like they own twenty five percent of spot if they
are in the tech world where music is just something
to keep them on this tech platinum platform that they
already own. So these execs are not viewing it from
a music standpoint. You know, you don't have the NERVs anymore.
You know, the dames like these people are in that
office looking at analytics and tech. That's about it. They're
not really here for music to begin with.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Hence the problem.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Like even with that whole TikTok shit back and forth
the Universal you looked at Universal's overall goals, one percent
of Universal's business was UMG, that's crazy. Yeah, UMG, which
is a billion dollar company, is one percent of Universal's.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Overall go They don't give a fuck, that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, But I don't want to complain because I think
there's a balance, like what Mass Appeal just announced seven
new albums, NAS and Dger premiere ghost Face, Big l Mob,
Deep Rakwon, Daylight Soul, Like there is still a balance.
We can't be the old people that just Yeah, but
you all about that because there is if you go
and search for it in the streaming era. That is
one of the positive things about it. You don't have

(18:34):
to deal with what the machine is putting out. You
can go search for your own music. Yeah, but their
own play the ship.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
The thing about this is you're talking about we don't
have to be the old These are all old artists,
I know, but I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
There's still there's still a balance. I want to hear.
I'm thirty four. I want to hear from all of
these people.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, but you're a different thirty four.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, that's that's a fact. You're that's a fact.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
You're you're you're you're into a different a different part
of the culture and the industry of the artistry, the.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Music intersection is different than the average thirty four year
old number one number two. Where are where's the room
for the people that this group inspired? Like, where are
the kids who are inspired by ghost Face of the
rappers who are inspired by nurs Where's the room for
the Symbers and the you know, uh, what's the boy
out of Houston Marcus Clay, Like, Where's I'd like to

(19:20):
see space for them because it's not it's not really
even an age thing at this point for me.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
It's a class thing.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I mean, Jid's about to put out album, would you
he's inspired by lest I'd like more.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
I'd like more, That's all I'm saying. And again, the
overall health of the business. If money is your goal,
the big play would seem to be the one to make,
as opposed to the short term quick flip trying to
trying to regurgitate the exact same thing over and over again.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
The rapper might just drove an incredible album that I
could tell was definitely influenced by Doom Ghosts all them
like it's there, No, it's not in your Facebook? Since
when was that ever in our face? Like let's not
act like in the nineties early two thousands, like real
hip hop just fell from the fucking heavens and that's
what was played on the radio all the time, that
was on MTV, Like even the stuff we love you

(20:12):
still had to search for, like like, yes, there's one
ghost Face single that would make it, but like you
still it was still technically underground in the nineties. I mean,
Wu Tang would have singles obviously, but.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Okay, and that's that's a lot of members. There's a
lot of people right there.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You don't think there was quote unquote mainstream bullshit being
played in the late nineties early two thousand on the
radio constantly that hip hop purists complained about all the.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Time bullshit on the radio. Yeah, it was hard to
hear bullshit on the radio.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Okay, Yeah, we might be mixing up errors.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Early two thousands.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I loved Nelly, but all the older people on my block,
older friends, cousins, whatever, with just trash man while you
listen to they would just call.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
It some queens.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
They would just call it shit, old mainstream bullshit, like
they wanted to hear the purest shit.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I'm like, this is great, yeah, I mean, but you know,
there's also taste. Everybody has different tastes. You can't Nelly
had bars if you if that, if you focused on him,
he had some rhymes that actually, oh shit, that's kind
of cool.

Speaker 8 (21:12):
When the young kids will say the same thing to
y'all about their artists.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
They can't tell me none of these niggas got.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
Boughed, because well not. I wouldn't say none. I think
it's less than it used to be. But a lot
of people will complain about some of the subject matter.
But that's what's hot on the radio right now.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
People.

Speaker 9 (21:29):
What's on people's albums is different.

Speaker 8 (21:30):
People will talk about different things on their albums and
stuff that y'all might not hear.

Speaker 9 (21:34):
But the singles year they are going to go with.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
When Snap music took over, what was a nast time.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
We was going through something that was just a weird like, no,
they're not that was just a weird time for rap.
I'm saying I'm not mad at the music and having
fun because I'm from the era kidd and play in
Kwame like they was having fun and dancing and shit
like that. So I understand that part of it, like
the Snap ship, but they was also it was also

(21:58):
just a certain level of ramen that had that hat
like you could have fun, but you still had to
be rhymen. Though they lost soul was fun. Yeah, rapping
was a prerequisite.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Let's say there was a floor and we we I
think a lot of times we forget that Big Pun
had records in the club. Public Enemy had records in
the club. EPM D Headbanger went off in the club
like Crossover played in the club. Depending on what club
you went to. In the club, thank you, But everybody
had different tastes, you know if you didn't. I'm a

(22:34):
hip hop d right, I'm not not necessarily a rap fan.
I'm a hip hop head. I listened to the hip.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Hop Okay, I was about to say, explain the difference in.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
There are plenty of people.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
There are plenty of people who like rap music right,
and for them it could sound like whatever rap sounds
like to them. I'm a hip hop d I like graffiti,
like break dancing. I appreciate d jaying and I listened
to it. Seeds who are really who really have something
to say?

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
When I'm talking to the youth, I even hate using
that expression, But when I'm talking to kids who are
just coming off the porch, I've heard shit like these
niggas got too many words?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
I'm sorry, what what that's?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Because the kids these days are too much high fruit
those concert the attention to detail is very short, you
know what I mean? Like they don't they want to
They want to fee, they microwave babies, they want it
right now.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, they want to feel more than they want anything else.
Like it's all about the vibe. It doesn't even have
to what he's saying is relevant, Which is why I
think communication is such a lost art. You think losing
cursive is bad, Like, wait till they can't actually speak
to you?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, you know that we're already there.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
Yeah, yeah, baby again.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I just think there was already a form of that
even when Puff came around, and like people were shitting
on a lot of the stuff that Puff was doing.
From the purest perspective, happened. This has happened in every
era of hip hop. So as much as I hate
this generation, and I'll be the first one to not
tiptoe around and be like, no, it's something from no
everyone sucks. Yeah, but like I'm with that, But this
it's always been an era where people thought the bullshit

(24:13):
was on top in mainstream and in our faces before
the good ship.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, but you missed the point of now they're pushing
more of the bullshit because it's more of the bullshit
to push in here because you can literally upload your
bum ass project the same day Beyonce puts her album
out on the same digital platform.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
And okay, but which one is getting play later? Which
one's gonna be on the main page?

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Which one is? Sound are good?

Speaker 1 (24:33):
And your bullshit ass album? Twelve seconds of a song
that's gonna end up on everybody's fucking pa the.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Right hashtag will have you neck and neck with her
for him?

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, like yo, what do we Okay?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
But is that not just another version of the one
hit wonder? Like, no disrespect to like mimes, because I
love this is why I'm hot? But is that not
the same version? Did they not push that record?

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Crazy? I'm not saying it's a one hit one.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I'm not saying they didn't yet, But this difference is
being one hit wonder and with some of these some
of these dudes are a twelve second wonder.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, that's because that's the attention span is shrunk to
the point where the one hit wonder is now a
twelve second one. And again, it's not good for the
overall health of the industry, that's the only point that's
that especially, but without getting scientific, that for sure, But

(25:22):
as someone who exists in this business, fellas, whoever's like
in control of this, whoever's in charge, fellas, This is
not a good idea, like to keep going in this direction.
The people who are pushing the buttons on this, this
is not a good We can't sustain this model. It
won't last. This is not a good idea, and the
crash will be epic.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
What is a career right now?

Speaker 4 (25:45):
It's subjective.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
It's being a personality so that you also make music.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Totally subjectial, totally subjective, totally when I sit down with it,
when I if I'm ever sitting down with an artist,
I have a client, my first question is, all right,
what what what are you looking for? What do you
want this to be? Show me what success looks like
to you? And the answers as I've gone on have
gotten weird, wide and weird, Like I've heard everything from

(26:13):
I want to use this to launch my clothing label.
I want to use this to get into movies. I
just want some commercials to I want a tour. I
don't really want to put albums out. I just want
to be on tour. I'm not really looking to, you know,
be albums or yo. I'm trying to do, Like you know,
I'm trying to get that Drake Run going. I'm trying
to you know, ten years, a bunch of different albums.

(26:34):
I want Grammys, I want plaques. But the list is
like why some people just want to be known on
their block. Like you asked me what a career is,
they don't know because they rarely see one. Like you said,
it's right in the pocket of what you're saying. The
examples are not really there to show you why. It
depends on where you're looking. Because if I'm looking at
a drill rapper and he's his age, he's famous in

(26:59):
our school, and my world revolves around this one neighborhood
in this one school, this kid is like the hero,
and it doesn't matter that he won't be here next year.
It doesn't matter that he's got like maybe one or
two of these songs in him and then people get
bored and move on to the very next one. If
he even gets that second one off, he could be
gone by the second one. Again, the health of the

(27:21):
business like trying to sustain that shit, and I'm just
thinking about the overall, Like the music industry has done
plenty of good for plenty of people as foul as
it is, but it's no fouler than any other business,
no foul any other industry. We talk about this one
because it's the one we're in. We talk about it
like sometimes we talk about it like it's a unicorn.
Like if you go into textile manufacturing, they don't have

(27:44):
the exact same kind of fluck shit happening over there.
It's everywhere. This is the one I care about because
this is the one I'm involved in, and it fellas
the overall health of what you're doing is not You
can't sustain this, and the crash looks crazy to me
almost we CDs are not really a thing anymore. You're

(28:04):
gonna buy a bunch of flash drives and push your
music on the street. That way, like it's going back
to the trunk is almost non existent. We've almost made
it so you can't. The laptops don't play CDs, they
only play flash drives. Flash drops cost a little bit
too much money, and I have to get an adapted
to put the flash rubber with certain m hm, you

(28:24):
know what I mean. The technologist box you out of
being able to do it hand to hand. So where
do you go when when the apps completely lock up
or or social media completely decides to shut that door. Yeah,
I'm thinking about the health of the artist. The new
hand to hand is spamming ig comments gross gross? Is it?

Speaker 6 (28:46):
No?

Speaker 5 (28:46):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's going onto a blog page and saying, yo, am
I trash or fire click here to find out.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
And that's that's the new master.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
P off the trump marketing. Yeah, that's that's the marketing.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I want to pivot back to the to the mass,
the Pill seven seven album thing. Who do we think
is going to be the.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Surprise return rock Him Cool g rap, Big Daddy Kane,
Like I can see.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Big Daddy King will be crazy. What do we think
this big album is going to sound like? And who's
producing on it?

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
No, bigger would be Lord for that, Like if it's
not if digging into creating involved, I don't know if
I you don't even want it, I don't. I don't
want to hear rehashed. I hope they got fresh verses
number one. I hope they got fresh verses number two.
Lord finess show business AG definitely need to be represented.

(29:38):
And then I want to know who the executive producer is,
who's in charge of the sound bad don't know who's
directing it.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
I would love.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, okay, or I mean Premier was executive producer a
Big Picture, which was which then to me, doesn't sound
like a post depth album at all.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Like I'm quite a fucking classic album.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
If it's Primo, I'm quite Oh what if it's Most Death.
What if the surprise artist is Most Death?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
That makes sense, but they already announced the Most and
Alchemists album. Yeah, and Most is not putting his ship
on any streaming. He's made that clear, which I appreciate.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
True.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
But even with that said, like I would love now
that Cam and Mace are back like children in the
Corner reunion all that it should just be Harlem shit
on that big l that the ship that we we fire,
that we've been deprived.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Of children of the corn, that y'all swinging for the defenses. Now,
why I'm not mad at I'm not mad at the attempt.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Cam sounds like he's in shape when he does those
freestyle No, that's a fact.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
No, Cam is Camp is definitely and Maces Mace, and
Mace's Mace is underrated. If one of the most underrated artists,
I think we have but I think we would have.
I don't think those gentlemen would have kept that underwrap.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
I think they would be right here with us. Like like,
you think Mace's underrated absolutely as a rap not as
like he gets his just dude for the singles Harlem
all the rapper you was.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Out, Mace is under Mace was a superstar.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (31:07):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Mace had singles with Mariah Carrey.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Let me let me do this. I think.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
He is rated fairly in the circles I'm in. Those
are specific, like I've never heard about overall. Yeah, okay,
all Rightoper.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Under Mace doesn't get talked about enough. He kept the
lights on that bad boy.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
That's preaching to the quiet.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I'm saying, I know because you're from that too, But
I'm just saying, like people don't know and they don't
recognize that.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
That's that's hard for me to because of the circles.
You're just grasp Yeah, I guess I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
About the casual and we just start talking to people
and come in. In the past, I don't talk to casuals.
But yeah, I just said the other day, I don't
want to talk. I just said other day, I don't
want to talk to nobody that didn't use a landline. Like,
if you didn't use a landline, I don't.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
You're not debating what you know.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
You can you can label it whatever you want to
lead this backpack and snob whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I don't talk to casual I just saw J one
tweet I don't talk to people under twenty six about music.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
I was like, that was very liberal under twenty six. Really,
you're a really nice person for twenty six twenty six?
What kind of conversation about rap? What I have with
a twenty six year old?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, I've had conversations with you when you were twenty
six about rap, but the again, you're different, But.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Like Roy didn't know how to take things.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
When we ready established Roryes just you know, I could
just see.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
But it comes from a good place. No, No, but
you absolutely you you.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
You've listened to enough and you know, have studied enough
of the things that have happened to be able to
speak on it. But now today I don't even know
a twenty six year old that I would want to
talk about hip hop with that that isn't like maybe
you know from that tree of their parents are into
the industry and things like that, if it's just a

(32:46):
casual twenty six years, I'm scared to even hear what
they might say.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Well, a casual fan at any age is a casual fan, like.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, But a casual fan in ninety eight versus a
casual fan in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
He's he's still a casual fan. He's still telling you
he can only name the songs that was on the radio.
He's he's still a casual.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But I feel like casual one. I stop myself because
I was about to say some bullshit. I used to
think that casual fans didn't even want a debate, but now,
after the last year and a half debate, I have
noticed that those are the main people that debater.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Those are the great Those are great debate to be
a casual fan just like yeah whatever, like I like this, yeah.
Now the main people that want to argue with people
that are missing for why do you.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Think I have that loko on my face when I
say battle throw bro, I'm not. I'm not like that
that you know me, you've known me forever.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I'm not like that.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I talked to everybody about everything, but lately the conversations.
These guys are so like wrong and strong is a
real thing, and it's like the gospel. Yo, he's the goat, bro,
Just say he's your favorite. Yeah, say he's Just say
he's your favorite. Just you like him better than everybody else.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
That's cool.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Now he's the goat? All right?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
What?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
What by?

Speaker 4 (34:04):
What metric? What's standard? I don't know what you mean?

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Damn it. I'm instantly pissed. How are you measuring?

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Tell me what?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
What?

Speaker 4 (34:12):
What are we judging by?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
It?

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Like?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Is are we talking sales? Are we talking Grammys? Talking shows?
We're talking influence, We're talking bars, We're talking features, Like
give me the criteria?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Who is the goat in your opinion?

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Oh shit?

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Again, all those questions have to come into have to
come into play. There are a lot of people who.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I'm saying you, if somebody asks you, you're met, who
is your goat that we all have in our mind?

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Who is our I just have my favorite? Like the
greatest is all accolades for me? So who's got who's
put up the most accolades?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Who's your greatest?

Speaker 6 (34:46):
And you.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
It's hard to make it pass hole like's and that
seems like such a cliche answer. But when you talk
about all the boxes that need to be checking, cultural influence, bars, awards, plaques, features,
uh test the time, influence is huge. Influences a huge.

(35:12):
The man put industries out of business. It's not wearing
jerseys because he said so. Didn't buy an X five
because he said so. You put on an oversized button
up shirt because he said so.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
He didn't kill Auto Tune or Tims though.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
They took a hit.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
They took a hit. Who took a hit?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Tims definitely took ahead.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Let's go, let's go through two thousand the numbers. I
want to see see Zimmelin's tax returns. I promise you
when him and Drake said we off that nobody was off,
that all of us.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Off it for like all of us kept.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
The like four or five months. They took it and
then they got right back. They got cold again. They
said that. They said that in the summer.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
Because I wear forty blows and shorts. Wow, that's where
school that schools shooter contour. Wait wait wait.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
School forty below the gene short. Yeah, yeah, he about
to go shoot some ship up.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
I'm channeling Colinbine and Prodigy. You need it's a leather jack.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
And you also you're channeling rimy from higher learning as well.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
I did that with a haircut already, so exactly loud
and clear.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Yeah, absolutely, and.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
Yeah auto tune just got better. But Hova has killed
a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
That was the two things that we quietly as hop stands,
don't bring up that just was not killed whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
But I mean it's hoving that everyone else.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Even we're talking three for five, like three out of
five is no, I'm just out of what we named
just now it's three for five.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I mean I always go back to, you know, just seeing,
you know, having a lot of dope artists in one
room and seeing it firsthand, and then seeing when you
walks in that room, like you can just see the
difference in the respect level from artists that are huge
and have accomplished a lot, but when it's Jay that

(37:10):
walks in the room, it's just a certain level of
And then from the guys that I think are goals
like rock Him. When I see the way Rock Him
embraces j and things like that, when you see those
guys the way they put their arms around him, I
think that is clear that he is the one that
they look at.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
I've been in rooms with Buster and and arm for him.
I've watched other stars get starstruck around him. For sure,
Trevoro will walk up singing his verse flifting power from
across the room, starts screaming out past the kevasier, like
you know, he may have had a couple, buddy, I'm bullsitting,
but you know, singing this allt like I've seen that.

(37:45):
I also saw with a compliment from j meant to
bus right. I see one guy who influences a bunch
of people. I see another guy who influenced a bunch
of people. But a lot of people didn't try to
be like Buster, right, is on that one on one ship?

Speaker 5 (38:01):
Yeah, because they couldn't. You would have loved Corny trying. Yeah,
he's got children, He's got children.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
I see influence, but a lot of people didn't try
to be like But I saw a lot of motherfuckers
try to be like Jack.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
And to the voice, what was the boy's name, Sakaria?
There was was Ario?

Speaker 5 (38:18):
We wrapped with Andreie Martinez. Yeah, to the voice, like
was no, it is fire?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
If Jay didn't exist, Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Like if we didn't have that guy to go to, it.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
May seem more success.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, first felt the same way.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, he loved going to that. That's not something that
I didn't come up with that. No, but you loved
going to I didn't say you come up with I don't.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Actually think I said you loved that way whatsoever?

Speaker 8 (38:43):
Actually you do?

Speaker 5 (38:44):
I really don't. You bring that up way too much.
That's the whole the same way that the stereotype is
nods picks bad beats. I think that's a stupid stereotype
that hip hop has just taken on.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I don't know if people say id, but he wrapped
on a lot of bad beats though.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
Yeah, he's had a thirty year career. It's going to happen,
and he put out once a year.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
He also he also m hm okay, he also this
is weird.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
No, it's weird to say. I interviewed him and I
asked him about that about the beat selection.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Actually, actually he's one of my cover stories, one of
my proudest moments.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, many moons ago, sitting in the Spotted Pig, his restaurant,
we were like upstairs where no one was me and
him and Gabe from death chambe Yeah, for real, insane
human being.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
I asked him why he did that?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Why did you pick bad beasts?

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, but like I don't, I don't remember the exactly
the way I had to.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I had to.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
I'm in a room.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
I can't be I can't be biased, and I'm from Queens.
You know this is like the guy. If I don't
ask this question.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
You're not asking any questions.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
You ask that one. Everybody else is at the office.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
What the fuck did you do? I'll never get another
story again in my life. I'll never get a feature
again in my life. So I ad and his answer
surprised me. Two questions I asked him that His answer
surprised me.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
One.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I asked him, like why he got married at the
time he was married to Kalise, just wanted and he said,
all my heroes have been married men. Everybody I've ever
looked up to it have been married men. Besides the
fact that I think my wife was made for me,
All my heroes in life have been married men.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Respect.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
I was like, okay.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
He started like rattling Malcolm ICs blah blah blah blah,
all man, Okay, got it.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
The beats thing. I was like, you know, the story
is you pick bad beats. What's up with that?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
And he goes, I want people to pay more attention
to what I'm saying than what the beat sounds like.
You can't ever think that. I don't get offered all
every beat under the sun from every producer under the sun.
And I kind of gave him like a little side eye,
and he said, think about it. I always give you one.
I know what you want every album, I give you

(40:58):
at least one to two. I make it a to
do that. But I don't want to beat. He basically said,
I don't want to beat to be more important than
what I'm saying. So I'm not picking like the superhillous beats.
But I do that when it's time to And he
starts rattling off his albums and he's naming the tracks
on those albums where the beat is crazy, and he's

(41:21):
going crazy. He was like, but I'm not going to
do that like every time. Whether you believe him or not,
whether you believe him or not is irrelevant.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Yeah, I mean I'm not.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm not mad at that, because again, I never thought
that NAS's beats were, you know, in every like every
track on every album was terrible, but there was some
joints like to me, you know, the battle with him
and Jay To this day, I think ether is one
of the worst beats.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
I don't disagree with there.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Ever, that the fact that he's on there going at
Jay kind of to what he gets old overlooked, and
that's what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
If you go to YouTube now and just type in
ether instrumental without nas on it, you would be like,
what the fuck did this guy even here in that studio?

Speaker 5 (42:05):
How did this even make it? Onto adapt?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, like it's not finished, but this is to Brown.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
He did.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
He has that's just beat for in that moment, It's like,
why did you how did you plan on that?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Look fits right into the answer that he gave.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Yeah, it was effective.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Where he's after he said that his whole career just
kind of like shifted over a little bit, his whole desography.
You look at it way different. You look at the
songs where he's really saying some ship and those beats
are kind of not the greatest that he could have found.
But his whole thing to me was do you really
think I don't get those beats?

Speaker 4 (42:42):
First?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
You think they don't send those to me. Yeah, I'm
just at definitely think he does. But I love Nas
one of the you know, one of my hip hop heroes,
but he's absolutely insane for passing on some of the
ship that I know he's heard like and didn't be
like nah, but you know what I'm saying, I really
want to get off on this, okay, because what I'm
saying is gonna overshine.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Did you think the hate Me and Now beat was fire?
It wasn't terrible. That's a great beat. Yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Nas got killed for doing that, Like he can't win
for losing if he went even I'm on the side
of you Owe Me as fire, but Nas got killed
for that. Anytime he's went the route of the beats
that people want him to do, he gets killed for it.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, but I think he got killed more for you
Owe Me, because you Owe Me is incredible. The hook
and then genuine it was just too much. It felt
too industry shiny two record two record industrys fives in
that hook, like y'all made this and said like, oh
we got radio with this, like and I hate more
rappers do that.

Speaker 9 (43:38):
But that's not fair because Jay did that a lot too,
and he's don't getting killed for it.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Every rapper does that. Jay got killed for what I
was young. So yeah, Jay got killed for a lot
of joints. I mean most of Volume one. He got
killed for his sunshine. He had this, this shiny, great
record record. I love the record, but he got killed
for that. Every rapper has to have, especially then, and
you have to have that moment where it's like, Okay,

(44:04):
I'm in the music business now I have to kind
of like adhere to what the labels are saying they
want and they need.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
His answer, his answer for doing his answer for owe
me when I asked him, was I wanted to show
them that I can do what they do while they
can't do what I do. I wanted to go in
their world and show them I can do this whenever
I feel like it, and you can't come in my
world and do what I do. But your shit is
so easy and this is so candy. I can go

(44:30):
over here whenever I want, walk in your world, wipe
my feet on you on your carpet, and then walk
right back out, and you can't follow me and go
do the stuff I do again. His the interview put
a lot of things in perspective for me.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, and I mean even with that, let's go with
NASA's Prime ninety four to two thousand and two, ill madic.
It was written I am nostradamis still mad at god Son.
Yes you can say Nostra Domas wasn't the one, even
though I think comparing to Naz's catalog, yes it's not it,
but it's better than half of ever rappers first project ever?
Where are their bad beats in those? In everything I

(45:04):
just named.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Ninety four to two thousand and two, Tell me where
there's bad beats? You can't.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
You can't even start with the first one. That was
the first super producer album. That was like the original experiment.
A bunch of super producers get together with this fucking
prodigy and put together a perfect album.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
It was written, starts with the message I don't have
the I.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Don't have the slanm de fit was written at other
people seem now I don't. I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
I think I can make a case it's better than Nomadic.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
I've heard that argument before. I don't agree.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
I heard that it has more replay val. Maybe it's
just because illmatic on it is like thriller. You've heard
it so many times that you don't always.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Go back for whatever reason. I like, what did I say?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I'm not mad, but it's not better than it?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Yeah, I don't agree, but.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Not that.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I Am starts with New York State of Mind, Part two,
which I could argue is better than the first one.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Then to hate Me Now it had it has NASA's
like on there, like what we talk about with Nas
and bad beats. He said, this is a stereotype that
hip hop took on, and because it sounded cool, everyone
kept going with it.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
I don't know about that because he knows. He knows he's.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Because it's been a stigma. But people always say, but nobody,
nobody gives me the beats that are bad. What's a
bad beat?

Speaker 2 (46:15):
On Stealmatic? You're the Man was probably the best beat
of that year. Now, But you know what, though, because
second Childhood is one of the best beats, I.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Can't staying with Mecha saying though in that in him
asking Nas that got yourself because now that you're running
off for the.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Titles, I could hear the beat, and I'm like, if
I didn't hear NAS rapping on that what. I love
that beat though, and.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Here we go. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
The ceiling is different when you start comparing when when
you have a rapper who you can only compare to himself.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Okay, but what what is a rapper's job when they
go into the studio. It is to produce the best
song that they can make, right, So if this is
what brings out the best Nas and I can say
this song is incredible. My ears for hip hop is
for the final product of the song. I'm not listening
to Got Yourself a Gun and going, you know what?
I love this, but let me just go listen to

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the instrumental and decided.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Okay, No, NAS took that beat, put his foot in it,
and created an amazing song. But that's the point of
a rapper.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
I think that's one of the ones where he was saying,
I always give you one. I think that's one like
you're naming the ones.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Though he Got Yourself a Gun smoking, You're the man,
rewind one mic second Child destroying, rebuild the fly is
rule name a bad beat.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
Again. I get what I'm saying, but everyone needs to
stop saying about Nas.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I get what you're saying, but there are some of
those beats, all right, put it like this, if you
run those off, right, But then be like, yo, let
me hear the shit you turned down when he was
making this album.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Oh, I mean, but that's like, yo, you passed up
on this. But then again, that's like the difference.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
And we're not in the studio to know exactly which
ones he's talking about. But to me, that's something that
you can't prove.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
And it's like, but on that beat we love, maybe
NAS wouldn't have done what was supposed to be done
on that beat.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
I only I only I asked the question because of
the stigma. I only back it up because he acknowledged it.
But I again, I only think he acknowledged it because
he understands that we're comparing him to him. He's he's
in different airspace. J is only whack when you compare
him to J. You can't compare a JA to the
landscape and say he's whack. Okay, Well, what about this, dude?

(48:21):
I mean, you know, I mean, when you when you
start running into the artist where their name alone ends
the argument which is which is I hear that a lot?

Speaker 5 (48:31):
But what do you think about this? I mean, I'm
not NAS, But when you start hearing I mean, I
ain't JA.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
I mean, but that's j.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
When you start hearing that ship where we're now only
comparing them to them, you don't compare them to anybody else.
So NAS is lackluster facade. Stigma is because they're comparing
everything to him. They want more. And when he switches
the tone, when it's no longer the gritty, grimy sound

(49:00):
of Illmatic and it's the slick sound of it was written, Ah,
come on, man, come on what you're doing, which they
want him to follow up a classic. But then when
when you have the generation that came in under under
it was written, well, then the next one sounds kind
of Ah, come on, bring track Masses back what you're doing?

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah, bring Primo back what you're doing?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
How come you never did the album with prem You know,
all that shit catches up and that builds the stigma.
But the fact that he acknowledged it tells me that
he knows he's turned down some ship. Yeah, absolutely, in
order to give us the joint City's given us. But
I don't I don't disagree with you.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Starts with get Down.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, he on that album.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
But that's one of the ones. He actually named that one.
He's like, think about it, this one, this one. As
you're rattling them off, I'm remembering him saying that one.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Yeah, this one like what I love the I can
beat in the studio.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Probably not, but NASA's vision of that, what he was
going to do with the kids on the hook and
the message, Yeah, that beat fits what he was supposed
to do, and it a classic song and.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
He also wanted you to hear what he was going
to say. That's one of those message records.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, I mean it made me. It was like the
first time, what are Republicans want in schools now? They
want to get rid of?

Speaker 5 (50:16):
But yeah, nothing, what's the cultural ship they want to
get rid of?

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Prayer?

Speaker 5 (50:21):
See? Yeah, that that ship.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
That was the first time I felt like the white guilt.
I was like, damn we did all that? Yeah, everyone
was king.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
He just showed up right.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Now, I understand why the Republicans. I was a young
white kids do this before we get off music. I
want to say I went to a Millie's release party
last night.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
And that shout out the Millies Blanco seven out right now.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
He was one of those He was one of those ones.
I thought about the white rap Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
Oh, he he got out rapped a lot of really names.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
He got out wrap a few niggas on that Mount
Mount rush.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
One hundred percent. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I want to say this very just to the room.
I know we're recording, but if you were wondering where
all the pretty women are in New York City, if
you cannot find them, they're with Millies.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
All of them, lost one of them. I don't like
that sounded all the pretty women with Millies. Wait, I
missed that. Which camera?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Millies? I apologize. I knew you were an incredible rapper,
incredible artist. I was not familiar with your game.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
I've been wondering for the last five years where all
the women hang out. I did not know they were.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
All with you.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
It was that Millie's album release.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
They were all matching him. That's crazy. I was like, damn,
I didn't get the all white memo, and then I
realized it was just the women in shout out to Millies.
Man sounds great.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
He's one of those ones that's for a few years
he's been putting out consistent joints. He's been consistent and
anytime you hear Millies, whether it be a freestyle or
you know what I'm saying. The times him like he's
rapping for there's no you know Jada signed him. Yeah,
somebody who obviously knows about bars and rapping.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
So oh I saw I saw Dad Jada last night
because you know that's his all course showing up.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
No, he was exhausted and wanted to go home.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
He was in the corner like, yeah, I just can't
want to go.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
I have to be here for my artist is my guy.
But no, I want to go to bed. I want
to go to bed.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Millies is one of those dudes. I used to add
this thing at the beginning of every episode of My
Expert Opinion. I was shot out somebody who I thought
was dope. He definitely made the list boom me away
after the first listen. I've been fucking with him ever since.
Milli's villain Park Marcus Clay Ali uh Ali Wow Vegas No, No,

(52:48):
I damn it.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
I don't do that. Vegas.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
You know one of my that's one of my favorites. Man,
that's one of my favorite vegas.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Oh man, I can't remember his name.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Well, what made me?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Ali? I didn't want to forget him out of Philly.
That boy is a problem.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Millie is outside of being the talent that he is.
I'm just happy that he is carrying the torch to
prove that lyrical rappers also get all the women.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Yeah, like that used to be the thing though, That's
what it used to be. Like if you was really nice,
like like these hoes love freestyles.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Yeah, wow, you to wait to say that.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I figured out last night chicks was bopping their head
to to Millie's pain. I was like, oh wow, women
are into this bro. There's never been that SB stereotype
where there be no chicks. I'm telling you, I'm not
saying that in one place. That's that artist in New
York and quite some time.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, shout out to Millies.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Man, There's never been a time in hip hop where
the lyrical guy wasn't on top of the food chick.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Yeah. We talk like it's like there's never been a
single year in hip hop ever but.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
People with the guy that everybody was scared to rap
with that guy and he pulled, he did whatever you wanted.
There's always been that dude. I hate that stigma.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Yeah, it's definitely. Yeah, that's a new thing.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Since we have to get off music, we have to
be messy because it's podcasting. What is going on with
my expert opinion?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Do not know the barbershop. I have been just because
you know, love the show. Fuck with math. I've just
been paying attention to what's going on. We're not here
to judge.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
We understand how fucking crazy it is to try to
keep a podcast business going.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
But where does this leave the show?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
In the hands of the owner? Okay, in the hands
of the owner. I don't have a lot of information
as far as like where it's going to go. I
found out a lot of things in real time with
everybody else. I knew the lights were off, Okay, I
went to we went to do an episode. I'm the
one who called him and told him the lights were off,
So you know that's jacked up. I told him to

(54:54):
fight for the shop, not because not because the aesthetic
is so needed, but up because I felt the way
it was done was dirty. I don't think you should
let people get away with the bullshit, so you should.
You should fight for the shop.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
But you know that the the.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Spot isn't the spot, isn't the show. The voices of
the show. The energy is the show.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
You guys.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
You two could pick up go someplace else and be
still be Rory and Mall. You think what I'm saying,
Like when you left when it was Joe Budden and
then next thing is Rorian Mal, You're still Rory and Mall.
My expert opinion will be my expert opinion no matter
where it is.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I don't like the idea. I don't like the fact
that all the business is on Front Street, but that
wasn't my call either. So we'll see what happens, like,
we'll see what shakes out. People are hitting me up
for answers that I I'm kind of watching with everybody else, Like, yeah,
you know, Mat, can you see what's going on? Yeah,
I'm looking right now.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
It's crazy. You have some popcorn. It's nuts. So you
see this ship? Wow? Fuck?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Did you see?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
So you and Math haven't had any personal conversations at
all about it.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
We spoke. We spoke.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Months ago, and we knew that the landlord was like
being a little moving from shaky. You see him walking
by looking in like when we're filming an episode, but
dozens of people walk by and look in you see
a barber shop with a bunch of bright lights, you
know what I mean, and microphones? Of course you stop
and what the fuck is that? So I didn't pay

(56:31):
attention to everybody. I didn't even know what you looked like.
And I stayed out of the business part of it.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Like if I'm not.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Involved, if I'm not directly involved, if I can't help
in any way, shape or form, I'm not injecting my
injecting myself into anybody's situation, especially when it comes to finances.
Those are your pockets. You spend your money, You do
what you do. I don't want to know how much
you're making. I don't want to know. I'm from Queen's

(56:58):
All I care about is my bread.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
I don't need.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
I don't want any of yours. I need all of mine.
That's that's the philosophy. And I'm not I'm not here
to pocket check or pocket watch you and under any circumstances.
So as far as as far as like the the
being he did tell us when you know Homeboy was
trying to after the light thing. Homeboy's trying to kick

(57:25):
us out, blah blah blah. Well he needs barbers in
his hand is no, he told us all the same
stuff that he set online. So yeah, we had that conversation.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
But wait, the landlord said he needs barbers in the show.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Well, I'm not saying anything that's not already.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Of course there's something in the contract that says you
have to have barbers in the chair or like, it's
like a sub section where it says you can use
it for other purposes, right, but the main thing is
the barbers. And I can understand that if I'm a
landlord and now on the spot and I walk by,
you know, three or four days out of the week,
and the shutters are down and the lights are off,

(58:04):
and this is my place, I want to see it active.
In moving, you don't want your building looking like it's abandoned.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Basically, I mean, if the agreement, though is per month,
I owe you this, what I do with it is
kind of none of your business.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Unless there's a suspicion that you're doing something.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Illegal, okay, which obviously was not happening.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
That if we're selling drugs or.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Camera bru you might have just did something with that.
We ain't think about that. You what do you think
RFK was there for? Wow? Wow? O. That was where
the suspicion started.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
It's been so shady's been sold on camera before.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Absolutely not when I'm around right now, when I'm around.
So you know, some ship makes sense, some shit just doesn't.
I didn't communicate with them because I wasn't asked to.
And it's it's not it's not my it's not, for
lack of a better term, it's not my place.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Okay, but is that something you at least check in
with him on of like the status of like what's happening?
Or you have so many resources, I couldn't see why
math would hit you to be like, yo, this is
what's going on.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
Is there something you can help out with that never happened?

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Then I just feel like somebody like you would be
the first call with the resources that you have and
could provide.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Yeah, just keep that movement. But that never happened.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Like we are where we if that was the case,
I don't think we you know, if he had asked
and I and I could figure it out, yeah, of
course I would. When if you ever asked me for something,
I said, NA, go fuck yourself. Never or like didn't
even answer the phone for you. Never, Like if I'm
not answering the phone. I excuse me if I'm not
answering the phone. I'm busy as fuck. I am like

(59:48):
working going albums with like an icon, so like my
days are jumbled up, and if we're not filming a show,
then I have things that I definitely need to put
my attention to. Juggling wasn't a problem, and anybody calling
me for anything, it's nothing to be like, Okay, I
got you, but like you know, if I don't have it,
if I can't help you, I'm not going to pretend

(01:00:12):
I can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well, you think there's a window with this shit, because
I mean, the podcast world is so unpredictable with fans, algorithms, everything,
with the steam that y'all had, you know, being one
of the top shows, is the window small to come back?
Just the way shit operates and how quick everyone moves.

(01:00:34):
How quick do you think you guys need to come back?
It's not risk free, right, I'll give you that. I'll
say that it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
I can't. I don't have a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Because they also say absence makes the heart grow fonder,
you know, and we were obviously providing something that you know,
was different from our peers We don't do what Rory
and Mall do. We don't do what Joe Budden does.
We don't do what drink Champs does not in the
same way, we're all doing something different. Your voices are unique. Again,
wherever Rory and Mall go, it's Rory and Mall. You

(01:01:05):
can't duplicate the voices. Right wherever my experied opinion goes,
it's my experied opinion. You can't duplicate the voices. You
can't duplicate the energy. So if people miss that, then
there's always going to be a window for something that
somebody misses, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
But maybe the main eyes of like maybe I heard that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Sorry the to the casual fan we were having.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Like, there's podcasts that I'll watch all the time, and
if I start clicking other ship and somehow they get
out of my algorithm, it's not at the top of
my mind because it doesn't pop up. I just think
that's how we're kind of trained with everything. Now we've
fallen off with podcasts, not because I dislike them, it's
because with all the busy shit I'm doing during the day,

(01:01:54):
sometimes my algorithms is what's going to be the thing
that I click that day for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
So I'm I mean that that's where I think not
a window would be small because you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Guys have already built a core fan base that's always
going to be there, Like you knows that. Yeah, it's incredible. Like, so,
you guys were the only podcasts that I don't want
to say late to the party because it sounds like disrespectful,
but it's not. When everyone the podcast boom hit, everyone
tried to do a podcast and they all failed. You
guys were the only ones that came in after like
the core and and passed us like what you mean? Yes,

(01:02:28):
the only one And to me that was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Like the most unique shit ever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
When Matt launched, I was like, oh, this is a
really good conversation, but this is when everyone has a
fucking podcast because they saw what the rest of us
were doing. Yeah, were the only ones post boom that
actually stayed. So I do think, of course, no matter what,
there's the window is open. Yeah, but there's magic with
because we've been through it, so you know, there's no

(01:02:51):
judgments on this side. We have a little therapy session.
What have these ups and downs been like with people
leaving the show? Messiness new podcasts every single day, they're
talking more about what's going on with the cast rather
than the actual show. What has that been like because
you've been I feel like the only one from the
original cast.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
That's I'm not even the original cast.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Oh yeah, I guess you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Yeah, no, I'm second generation at best. I'm not even
original cast. And I think that I think there might
have been an iteration between the first and the second.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
I might be third. But the question is what has it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Been like for yeah, navigating with you know now that
we have bag Fuel themily even the Space Go situation,
Like there's been a lot of drama with that show,
and who are we to fucking speak we've had the
same type.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Of ship, but that I don't know if we had
the same type of ship.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Public breakup public and like they, I mean even everybody
is part of our breakup was on their show, like
we've Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
How about that?

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
How is that then?

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Because I mean, I know you still have a great
relationship with the guys at bag Fuel, and I don't
know your situation with Space Ghost, but how have you
navigated that? Because who gets to in the divorce? But
I still love savon but you know it's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Nothing. Nothing is weird for me.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
It is going to sound very anti climatic. I'm chilling, Okay,
I'm really I'm chilling. I don't have any beef with anybody.
I don't have no smoke with nobody. Me and math
is still in business. Me and s so will cool
me and and can it cool? Me and space are
cool that these these people were mentioned and didn't do
anything to me, you know what I mean. And I

(01:04:38):
also live by a very specific philosophy. My father told
me a long time ago, if you didn't disrespt violate
somebody's kids, violate somebody's wife, send somebody to jail, to
take somebody's life, it's not that serious.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
You can work it out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
You can figure out a way to coexist with that
other person on the other side of that thing. Money loss,
you can give it back, food going, you can give
it back like tom going. You can, you can make amends,
you can. You can figure that shit out. Only four
unforgivables with the ones are just named, and none of
that happened in any of these situations. Nobody did anything

(01:05:16):
to anybody. That's so crazy. You can't get back right,
and when I when it's not that, I can't, I
don't have it's hard for me to put energy into
be friction like whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
It's hard. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
They don't have to necessarily be a beef. But outside
of those four things, there's things that people can do
that would definitely warrant you never fucking with them again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Sure, but even even that doesn't come with any anger,
It doesn't come with als, It doesn't come with any
like I'm not looking right. And if it's not that,
then what if it's not that, If I'm not looking
for you to actively harm you, it's beef. I don't
understand what we're arguing about it Like we we disagree fundamentally,
we're not seeing eye of eye creatively, we go our

(01:06:08):
separate ways. When I see you out, yo, what up?
How's it going? What's popping? You didn't do nothing to me?
Like nothing crazy? And if he did something, I got
it back. So when we talk about you were never
gonna my the philosophy in this business you'll need me
before I need you. It's always been true every year
of my career. It's been true. Anyone who's ever tried

(01:06:28):
to do me dirty, has had to spin the block
or look for the better, look for the another me,
and end up with the t move version. It's always
been hilied. I don't I don't even. It's to the
point where I don't even trip anymore. So I and
I don't have that situation now.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I don't know this landlord, you know what I mean?
Whatever he did, I don't know the business. I wasn't
there when the paperwork was signing, the contracts was signed
for me to jump in now and go hold on,
wait a minute, what about this part? I look stupid
doing that right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Whatever he signed the least, I didn't know it was
a I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Know he was subleasing. I didn't get invite Math owns
the shop. Okay, cool, he doesn't own the shop. Okay, cool,
but he's a cool Like what part of finding that out?

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
What part of finding that out changes anything that I
have to do? My job is to show up, be me,
talk about the things I know, research the things I don't,
and keep the keep the show, keep rep the show,
rep the energy, rep the spot. We're out a crew,
we're out a gang. You know what I'm saying, not

(01:07:36):
family with people. We work together and it's a good
look and we all do great work together. And as
long as it's that I learned late in my career
on some source magazine shit, I learned very late in
my crew, way later than I should have. You can't
get but so attached to something that does not belong
to you, bad idea and Rory.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
You may remember, there was a time when I was
just Mecca from the Source.

Speaker 9 (01:08:03):
That was my whole.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
I was in people's phones that was literally the synth,
like that was the full name.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Nobody knew my last name.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Fuck that Mecca from the Source for everybody, regardless of
where I wrote what I That's how hard I was
with that brand. When I got offered other spots, I
debted it because I felt like you were insulting me.
How dare you question my loyalty to what I'm doing?
Fuck out my face to think of my jump ship?
Fuck I look like to you?

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
I got angry, like to the point where you think
that of me? You think I would actually do some
shit like that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
When the Source started making wild moves and I'm in
the back going no, what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
No, Oh my god, and he did it anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
It's not mine, it's not mine, doesn't belong to me,
it's not my say, it's not my call for me
to sit here and scream at the top of my lungs,
get all upset and get an altar over somebody else's decision.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah, it's great, I mean, but I mean, at the
same time, you know that, I think that it is
some sort of communication that should be had so that
you not blindsided when you don't have to know the
exact details of everything. But if you're saying you found
out about shit when I found about it out about shit.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
That's a problem to me. Finding me finding out ain't
the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Him telling everybody is is pretty much the the cornerstone
of the gripes, right, That's where all the smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
You mean, him telling the public, right?

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Could I stop him from doing that? He never asked me,
He never told me he was going to do that.
He didn't tell any of it. I can't speak for
any of us. I know he never told me. I
found out he was online like everybody else. I'm getting
my phones blowing up, yo, You see your man I
got a lot of it. Who were talking about Rory?

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Like I got a song?

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Buster? Cool?

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
What motherfucker?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Who? Nah?

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Math? Okay, I'll go look. I went and looked. Oh shit,
well right, M run that back. But what am I
supposed to do about it? You know what I mean?
Like I get upset, get mad, get excited, his shop,
his show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Yeah, but I mean, but you've also dedicated a lot
of you know, sweat equity to the brand.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
That's worth, that's worth whatever it's worth.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
And I did this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
It's a worth to it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Though I did that because of me, you know, for sure, absolutely,
But I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Just saying, like I just I just thought that there
would be some type of communication between you and Math
to where you would at least not be blindsided by
some of the things you're hearing him say publicly. I
thought that you would know, you would would at least
know what was going on a little bit, maybe not
exactly what's in the base.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
I knew I knew a little bit about what was
going on. Like I said, I knew the landlord was
acting a little shaky. I knew I was the first
one to find out the lights was off. And I
kind of figured, I don't know if he actually he
told us that the landlord was out to a victism,
but I didn't realize that. We get it wasn't in
that order, like the lights off as the last thing.

(01:11:09):
Oh shit, the lights are off. Called him, told him, Hey,
I don't know how we're going to do this episode.
Lights is off. You might call somebody. I don't know
what's been happening, Like I had no episode today. All right,
going to the studio, got to do X, Y, Z, A,
B and C. Let me know what's happening. Next time
we need to come to a show, I'll pull up
into my part. But outside of that, no one's obligated

(01:11:34):
or entitled to anything that one's entitled to any inflication.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Nobody's obligated it. It's not frowned upon when it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, from a leadership standpoint, maybe it would be better
and behoove the staff to know everything that's going on
just for the show. But I see what Mech's saying,
because like that's a drastically different situation than ours, where
you're sitting behind expenses. We have a contract that is
based off everything that is spent here, that we need
to see this and that that's in a contract. It
was started from interception together with Sweat Equity. It's it's

(01:12:06):
drastically said it was but him being second third generation
of that, Like yeah, if that was the case, Like
when I've been hired to do stuff, I know this
is what it is and ain't my fucking business, Like
as long as you have my check every month, there's
not really much I can say here, yeah, nor do
I want to, because it's not my show. I'm paid
to show up, to do this at the best of

(01:12:27):
my ability and grow to show the best way I can.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
I got I would get yeah, but you yeah, but
how you but you? But macs?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
But I mean that back to your source comparison to
like I remember when Seife left Hot ninety seven when
he had that revelation, like, oh, I put my life
into this logo and then realized I was expendable and
they did not give a single fuck about me, even
though I was the most senior person in there as
far as years, and I was fighting for a logo
that did not give a fuck up, Like why would

(01:12:58):
I even do that? I'm not sure just showed up.
It's not in my morning show and went to fuck
home and not even fought with You care about this logo?

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
You get caught up, You get caught up. You you want?

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
First of all, when I was at the Source bro
that was the Bible, grew up on that magazine. Yep,
that's like the perfect word. Who wants to let that go?
Who wants to see that ruin? Who wants to see
that tarnish? When it's literally your dreams? I was writing
about hip hop as a hip hop head in the

(01:13:31):
hip Hop Bible. Every day you had to you had
to tell me to go home, you know what I mean?
Like I was in no office all the fucking time.
I had a toothbrush in that bitch like I was there.
Type I wear glasses now because I stand in the
screen for way longer than I should have, way longer.

(01:13:51):
It was healthy nanny glasses like I did that because
of my love for this place. But it doesn't belong
to you. Every career I've ever worked with, every artist
I've ever helped foster and get a shit back on
track or put this album together, whatever, whatever, When it
comes time for them to make the decisions that they
want to make, you have to remember it's not yours. Right,

(01:14:14):
you can see the red flags can look like a
fucking parade in China. You can see it a mile away.
You can scream at the top of your fucking lungs, bro,
what they want to do. They are going to do.
And that goes for anything that you are not directly
in control of. And you are disrespecting them by assuming

(01:14:38):
that you have more say, or you have any say
over their shit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, but also from and I'm not making this a
mass specific thing because I know nothing about his leadership
outside looking in with that though, like if you have
people that are leaving, you are also responsible for the
chemistry of that show as a co host, sure, so
you do have to deal with the decisions that the
leader does make, Like when ess On Heidegen left. I'm
sure the interviews in the beginning were a little different

(01:15:04):
because part of that show was gone. A churistry was gone,
like how you guys played off each other. Who's asking
specific questions, like you have a very specific set of questions,
math has a very specific like there' that's why the
show was so great, So many different perspectives. As a leader,
I do feel like you should keep your team at
least involved in some of what's going on with that info,

(01:15:27):
because they also are going to have to move this
show with the decisions that you make and just showing
up and me like, oh, they're not here, and now
I got to figure this out. Wish I would have known.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
I'm past that point in my career. Not trying to
sound like mister cool, but if I'm being honest, I've
been in places with high turnover.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
You know what I mean. I know what that's like.
It's not pleasant.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
I thought that team put numbers on the board in
a real away me s so Heineken Math Bigger Space Ghosts.
That was the unit that Eminem shouted out first rapper
to ever like big us up just out of nowhere. Hey,
those guys know what the fucking that was amazing, right,

(01:16:17):
shout out to him for that. That was I never
forgot that that was the unit that put numbers on
the board. Now in the units changed, is beefing about
it gonna make it, gonna change that I tried to have.
I tried, I tried to and there this story is out.
I tried to set up the dinner for all of

(01:16:38):
us to sit down and air out our agreementss Big
I had the spot in little Italy. We were all
supposed to meet up, so Heineken, Space, Ghost, me, Bigger Math,
We're all supposed to sit down and have the conversation.
It did not happen. Why Math said he wasn't going.
And again this is public information.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
He said it. He said he wasn't going.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
His decision to make is his. But I get it.
But leadership as well. Again outside looking at my pops.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
My pops, UH told me one time, when when the
results don't change, the why is irrelevant.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
Fair. I stopped asking.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
I don't even want to know at this point, Like,
fuck it, let's move on.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
If I found out, would it changed something?

Speaker 9 (01:17:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Why won't you cut? It's going to make him pop up.
I'm like, I'm going to talk him into it. He's grown, man.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Yeah, I still suffer from that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I've gotten better in my thirties, but I'm definitely one
of those people that harps on the why and it
never really changes once I know the why.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
M hm.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
But yeah, like I need to know why.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
If I shot you in the foot, knowing, why wouldn't
unshoot you even if I didn't mean.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
To in the foot Do you sleep with my best
friend after Kylie's a pool party? Well? Yeah, right there
on the wonder the artists as.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
One of the artists that we didn't mention for the
Massive Pills seven album, I'm trying to get I'm trying to.
I'm trying to I'm trying to get public record. Yeah no,
but I'm trying to get Pea Team free Torris.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
You know, I get that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
One of the artists that we never should have said,
shot you. You never should ran right into that. It's
all mine for all right?

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
Who shot you?

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
Did? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
Ship? You can't And you're being quiet all the time.
What the fuck on Tandra jokes, let's go. What are
you're saying?

Speaker 9 (01:18:24):
They suck? Sorry, I'm so that was interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
I didn't want to didn't say they were good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Abandoned Ship one of the artists that we didn't mention
for the Massive Pill seven Now I'm special.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I think, I think, I think he's done. When we
interviewed him, he seemed very content with not fucking with music.
I could be wrong. I could be wrong, and I'd
love to be wrong. Special Ed was nice, but his impression,
the impression he gave to us is he's quite.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Yeah, I would want to hear special Ed today, though.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
I would want to hear a lot of this. I
want to hear good em C's bro. I don't care
whatever they come from. You can't convince me that new
shit is good just because it's new. That don't make
no fucking sense. Again another line from my pops, garbage
still stinks no matter how fresh it is. I've been
applying that to music since I got here. This shit

(01:19:21):
doesn't mean I want to hear I want. I think
the detachment that we have, the ageism that we have
in this business has detached the youth from a generation
that can actually help them navigate this business in a
better way, yeah for sure, and then influence them creatively
in a better way. Hey, young, and you ain't got

(01:19:41):
to start from zero. Here's a dude who's like a
top tier guy who you can learn from. Imagine what
you'll be able to do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
But I mean, even some older legacy acts aren't really
in touch of what's going on, Like with the last
Tribe album that proved that hip hop is not just
you know, country for young men, Like they put out
an incredible album in a time when they wouldn't be
quote unquote relevant. But that's because Q tip is very

(01:20:10):
much in touch and relevant to everything that's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
At the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Will you special as an example, Sorry, special Ed. I
don't know if Special Leed is like that right now.
I don't know if i'd want to hear that from him,
because I don't know how in touch he's been with
what's going on. Not to say he would have to
sound like now nor did the last Tribe album. But
you can't just go back to the same shit like I.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
Would have been.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
As much as I love Bene Applebaum, I don't need
a new Tribe album in twenty fifteen when that came
out of you trying to do yesteryear shit or the hey, this.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
Is what we know? You want to what Troblem sounds like?

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Now, right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
They prove that beyond measure that album is incredible. But
let's not act like that is across the board with
all of our legends when they put out projects later.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
No, but everybody has a new artists have a bad album,
you know what I mean, right? No, No one's immune
to a bad album. In the he causes for a
lackluster album are varied. It just so happens that, as
a grown ass artist you have Okay, well, this is
one more thing that you may have to be aware of,
is that your favorite sound may not be the sound

(01:21:13):
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Where does Buster rhymes rank on the most aggressive dappers
of all time?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Yeah, I've seen bust one night.

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
God, he's in my shoulder. He separated my shoulder and
then put it back in place in the same dap
bro I've.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Lost chewing gum with that dude, good new piece. Just
what my nigga break bread with the god.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
Ednybody's choking heimlick whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Just give Bus a hook, bruh, it's gonna give You're
gonna give you seven DAPs in twelve second.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
The wind from that ship, the wrist that he has,
that big ass Lincoln that one. Yeah, problematic.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Yeah, and Bus is one of those when you give
him that, he holds your hand and talk to.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
You with the grip, with the grip because he wants
you to.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
I want you to know downstairs.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
That some more.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
I can't stand it. I can't take it. We gottadapt
not done dapping.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
I love Buss so much, but oh my god, everyson, Honestly,
I get like kind of nervous when he because I know, you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Gotta brace yourself for bus DAP Like bus DAPs is like, yeah,
you gotta embrace yourself. You gotta you gotta know that
it's gonna be as strong it's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
But it's sincere.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
You know what I've learned.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
He he really is a workaholic, right you you know this, yeah,
if you yeah, absolutely, He has hundreds thousands of songs
that have never seen the light of day. Right, that's
how much he's just after it. What he wants is
to be at this stage. Got the accolades, got the money,
got the fan fare, got there. He just wants to
rap with the best, right. The collab with Royster five nine.

(01:23:07):
The collab with Kendrick Lamar, two things I was directly
responsible for, and they only happened because I was enjoying
this music and he wanted to know who that guy
was that I was listening to. Get him on the phone.
Let I want to rap with him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Not a cloud Chase, not anything.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Kendrick Lamar Rigamortis Remix was because Meck was listening to
Section eighty having a field day. Because the shit was crazy.
I want to rap with that kid, the kid that
you're excited about, bring him here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
And I love that that record eventually came out, but
you could hear that that was section eighty Kendrick in one.
Did that come out twenty twenty?

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
No, no, no, before that, way before that. It's twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
I thought it was during the pandemic day No no,
no no no.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Did the Riga Mortis remix?

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
No, I'm saying the bus in Kendrick record that was
from that time?

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Oh oh yes, that was early two. Yeh yeah, twenty twenty.
That records far That was the first. That was my
first time in and R and form. My point is
he spends so much time in the studio. This is
something I learned. He's in the studio all the time.
He's not socializing like that like industry things. So when

(01:24:20):
he sees somebody that he remembers and he likes, like
you said, it's really sincere and he.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
Really misses you. Yeah, oh shit, it's like a family reunion.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Yea. Every time, like walking into church and seeing that
cousin you ain't seen in favor. He all of his interactions,
from what I've seen, they're so, like you said, sincere,
it's so genuine he's written. And then what you miss
is after you leave, we'll be in the studio, he'll
be talking about that person for like, he'll tell you

(01:24:51):
the story of why that person is so cool, what
that person did, what they worked, what him and that
person worked doing together, a female, be a dude, whatever
it is. He'll tell you the story and then just
sit back and go, man, that was dope. When I
see they call him back, see if you want to come,
you tell them to tell him pull up whatever you

(01:25:12):
want to pull up.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
But that's how he is. He's genuinely like, yeah, oh shit, hey,
that's him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
I went to Quad with Crisis and HV years ago.
I think you might have been there too with bus.
How should I feel that one of the DAP hugs
my feet left the ground, I know, shouts people that.
That's my first time saying it out loud.

Speaker 5 (01:25:36):
You should feel like I wasn't around, see they wondering
if anyone saw them my feet left.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
You should feel like all white people should feel, we've
been carrying you off.

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
That was overcharging for carrying off whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Roy you know that you know the footprints to you know,
do you know the famous picture footprints I carried you
set footprints and yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
Lad, this was what the pictures Only in America. I've
seen it in.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
The care of bronze wool and feet of burnt breasts,
ladies and gentlemen golf clap for that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
That that that that uh mall would be carried before
we get to My dream super Bowl would be Missy
and Bust together would and like putting them at opposite
sides of the fields and the wad I saw it
back in talking about all the time the craziest super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
I caught a Missy show in Chicago with Bus was on,
and I was telling them I was like, yo, dog,
like you know, seeing Buster and and then having Missy
come on after that was just like, this is crazy
that these two are still performing at this level. Buster,
I mean when Bud Wise's Superfest was a show I've
seen in my age in the nineties, I've seen Bust

(01:26:51):
to do that. To then see him almost thirty years
later in Chicago and it's still the same same level,
I'm just like, Bro, this is absolutely crazy that he's
still able to perform like this and has these records.
And then when Missy comes out. She's on that same
time I saw her, but one of them probably, and

(01:27:12):
she's still able visually, both of them are able to
give you a show, like a real show, and they're
really rapping, like really rapping, you.

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
Understand, I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
So to see that, you know, all these years later,
it's just a testament to what true artistry looks like
and sounds like. And then two of the most iconic
figures that we have in our.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Coach I think about that time. I think about that
every time we're in the studio working and I have
my A and R hat on. There's a standard, yeah,
that you cannot let slip, like Chris Lighty was his
A and R dog right right. You imagine, like no pressure,
like this legendary fucking god tear an R responsible for.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
Eighty percent of the music of my fucking childhood.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
When I first came off the porch, these incredible, classic
iconic records from these incredible, classic iconic artists, and that's
the guy who is in this dude's air. And now
I got to sit and at it, bro, you know,
but I feel like I'm kicking my feet at like
the kids sitting at the grown Ups table. I'm a
grown man, but it's it's Yeah, I'm intimidated strictly by

(01:28:23):
the by the knowledge that he has made such a
mark over thirty a thirty five year career. The standard
is set in stone.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
Yeah, not just Chris Lady, native tongues in general.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
The whole Violator Now I just started native tongues. Go
to Violator mob deep ll Missy Busted like, stop there, stop, what.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
Are we doing this? Then continue to Ganet.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
I didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
I didn't want to because it just gets stronger and
stronger as you go on. And like you said, Bust
is not He's not taking days off, he's not slacking.
He wants to rap with whoever feels like they can
rap his stage show. He takes no shorts on that.
Entertaining the people is a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Yeah, that's probably his priority, actually is entertaining him and Spliff. Yeah,
that's that's that's number one.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
And again Dragon Season a new album about about to drop.
He's like performing tracks from that ship and he's got
to mix that in with the classics. When your whole
when your catalog is packed with so many classics, that
that can be the show. The chore is mixing in
the New Ship, which is ridiculous at the feature versus

(01:29:41):
that's yeah together told you the features we got for
like Toby, Niggaweeway Killer Mike. I can't even talk about
the ones on the project coming up, but just like
the joints that have already been put Simba like it's insane, Yeah,
and all these The idea of the album was for
him to rap with people I felt we felt were

(01:30:05):
from his vintage, like he maybe not be solely responsible
for their careers, of course not, but open the door
for this to be acceptable.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Toby definitely, you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Know multiple kids, the colorful video like that's definitely vintage
Bus for sure. The song they have together just came
out crazy talking about fatherhood.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Yes, Toby is incredible. It's one of my favorite artists
for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:30:31):
Me.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
We had a great convo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
I mean, he's been all the fatherhood shit. What's the
rhapsody in Bus song? The best that I can raps
the first woman to ever take accountability.

Speaker 5 (01:30:44):
First woman ever on record.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Maybe I'm not a great mother, Maybe I've been an
asshole to my baby father, and maybe I'm affecting my
child's life because of it. Just maybe he's not this
monster that I'm trying to make him out to be.
I love it best that I can. If you have
not heard that record, please please, especially if you're a father,
go listening to that shit. But Josh, we got voicemails
mail back. This is a segment people call in stories

(01:31:10):
advice or that they're usually fun.

Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
Hey, y'all, what's up?

Speaker 6 (01:31:16):
Love?

Speaker 9 (01:31:16):
Everybody shout out to everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
My question is is the scam still a scam if
you are willing to participant and you know you're being scammed.

Speaker 9 (01:31:25):
I got a homegirl that do hair. Long story short,
normally was she charged?

Speaker 7 (01:31:32):
I'm like, apparently she giving me like a deal or whatever,
and I'll do content for her. Sometimes we'll do an
exchange whatever. This time around, I guess hairstyles be trying
to pay the whole fucking rent with one with one
client people, and I know that you're up charging me.

(01:31:52):
You're coming up with like all types of random ship
just to because you don't you feel like I need
to pay more. But I didn't get my hair to
and this BITCHU been doing my hair for a minute.
But for me, it's the principal of the fact bitch,
just just say don't don't make up, don't make up
the imagineery.

Speaker 9 (01:32:09):
Big Tophie, And now now I gotta pay this.

Speaker 7 (01:32:12):
And I've been coming for you to you for the longest,
so I feel like am I I know, I know
you're playing with me, but I need to get my
hair done. And is the principal the fact? Do I
need to stop going to this bitch because she's playing
in my face rather than just saying, hey girl, I
need a little extra this month. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Yeah, I would say she got to find somebody else.

Speaker 9 (01:32:34):
She got to She's gonna go through the same thing
with other people. It's nasty out here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Yeah, but when if you've been going to somebody for
so long, like y'all have years and I'm talking like, shit,
my barber, I've been going to my bar for probably
fifteen years. Like if my barber tomorrow told me like, yeah, nah,
you know it's gonna be extra for like more alcohol
on the app? What who are you talking to?

Speaker 6 (01:32:58):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
You know what I'm saying, Like you you know what
I'm paying you? Sometimes I give my bar one hundred
dollars here and you know what I'm saying, Like for
the month. Here, I might go to barbershop twice a month.
Maybe you know what I'm saying. So it's like for
your your hairstyles that you have a relationship with because
you have a real relationship.

Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
If you've been going to a hairstyles fifteen years, they
might have been going to each other for two to three.
It ain't been fifteen, okay, So if it's two years,
that's still some time invested as money invested.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
You know, conversations. You know, you know your hairstyles after
going for two years, you've had conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
It's a different level.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
I get the economy, you know, things like that, products
may start costing more, things like that. But there is
a conversation that your stylars should have with you before
you sit in the chair and then they start throwing
these surprise fees at you.

Speaker 8 (01:33:48):
But this is the thing when you don't know how
to do your own hair. This is why these hairstylists
are able to get out with this. And that's why
y'all see me sitting up here with this bun. I'm
my motherfucking had. These hairstylists know that it's supplying to men.
There aren't a lot of girls who know how to
do hair, well, they're not available and they're not cheap,
so they know that they can charge girls damn near
whatever because girls are like, I need to get my

(01:34:08):
hair done, like I don't have a choice. So that's
that's where it is. If you need to get your
hair done that bad that you're not willing to stand
on your morals, then whatever she's charging you is her price,
and she's worth that price because you're making her worth
that price. You won't even stand on it. You notice
a bitch playing with you, you won't even stand on it.
You calling in us, asking us if you should still
let her play with you. If you are willing to
do that, then she's worth that. She knows that she

(01:34:30):
can do that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
She knows she can play your face, tear if my hair.

Speaker 9 (01:34:33):
It's like that. Oh y'all don't know. It's dark out here.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
No, I've said this on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
My barber I sat down after the cut and it
was ten dollars more because he said he saw the
acidic Jews moving in on Facebook.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
I've told that story on her.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Yeah, that's what raised He raised the price and told
me in the chair because he was like y'alls on Facebook,
I see the acidic Jews moving into the neighborhood, so
I gotta raise the price.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Yeah, that's when I would have doubted my last cut.
Oh no, I say o, hug that nigga move to
North Carolin another ten years like busting wrongs like yo.

Speaker 8 (01:35:05):
Yeah, some people it's the price in the value is high.
It's where do people say that the value lies? So
it's tough it really today's but the same these people
that are doing hair, like these girls that are are
putting these wigs on and these weaves like I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
That's the other thing though, baby ladies.

Speaker 5 (01:35:27):
It was her name D.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
She might be Baby D's number two. She got listen
D square. Yeah, if you what y'all getting, Like what
y'all what what type of hairstyle? Because y'all be sitting
in that ship ball headed and then get up with
too much ship. We're just being real, what's wrong. I'm
just saying, what are they getting? What are you getting
done to your heir? If they're doing the bells and
the whistles and adding this and taking that and installing

(01:35:49):
this and understalling that that's going I can understand if
somebody being like, yo, it's gonna cost this hairstyle is
taking three and a half hours.

Speaker 8 (01:35:56):
Like it's gonna cost for sure. But this is the
thing though, Like I me personally, I understand charge with
you feel like you're worth. If you're a high deman,
you're a high deman. You're free to charge with you're worth,
and I'm free not to pay that motherfucker. But I
feel like hairdressers should not be making more than nurses,
and I just refuse to pay that regular.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Watching people need hairdresses more often than they need nurses.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Yeah, well, now let's keep it real. Some of these hairdresses,
it's performing surgery on some of.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
These women's heads. And there's that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Let's just if you're pulling out the same ship my
nurse would use if I cut myself.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
Out of suit, you same stitching movement, Yeah happening.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
If you got more stitches in your sewing, then I've
gotten this buck fifty that this blood nigga just hit
me with.

Speaker 5 (01:36:41):
Matter of fact, Yeah, you gotta pay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
I don't even say the nurse is qualified for like
the sewing work that a hairstylist does, all right, that
nurse can't do.

Speaker 8 (01:36:49):
That at the hospital. They got away for the doctor.
Now I want them to whoop you. I hope they
whoop your ass. I'm not gonna lie who me. No,
the nurses, some nurses, nurses. Nurses could absolutely installted it is.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
That's the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
The question was, is it's a scam. If I know
it's a scam, if I participate in the scam, it's
not sam scam.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Scam.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
It's an up charge and you're you're in on the heights.
You just don't like your cut. Yeah, yeah, y'all must
not be that cool. If you can't have the conversation girl,
what you're doing? How you charging me for blah blah
blah blah my barber who I've been going to for
a bunch of years. If you have an up charged me,
I could say something, Hey, nigga, this yeah exactly. In
the words of my man Maul, I got the same haircut.

(01:37:28):
Why is it cause I'm the grandfathered in same my
contract when my Bob is grandfather. I don't care what
these niggas start charging for rent.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
You know what I'm paying. I'm at and T from
Singular Wireless. Yeah, you know it ain't changed.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
You know what I'm just the same. You're gonna hit
me with the same, the same. We don't even know
what I'm out of here. You don't even talk. We
don't even talk. You know what I'm getting as soon
as I sit down. He don't even just know what
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
But you'll can't y'all can't do that because when the
price of goods go up, the price goes up. If
I go to grocery store for thirty years, the price
difference is going to change. Yeah, they're spending more on
the apples that day. Yeah, the consumer always loses.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
And the alcohol is going to cost some more. Like everything,
these tariffs are really affecting. I got a homeboy who's
running a I can't even blow his business up. He's
running like a beverage company. One of the main ingredients
is grown in Vietnam. The tariff on getting that ingredient
alone is eating up his money to the point where

(01:38:23):
he's not The profits are going directly into just getting
the ingredient.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
That's why you're going up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
We're the only ones that are going to suffer because
business owners that get shipped overseas are not going to
keep the same price.

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
They're not going to lose the money. They're going to
charge more for everything.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
But I mean, Shama old barber used to cut the
alcohol with water when it got crazy, which was fine,
but I just didn't like that he talked like he
was Choppo when he was doing it. I can I
can tell the difference, Like I'm not I'm not crying.
This is very water down, but I get it. I mean,
prices was going up. He had to cut some of
the alcohol.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
Sweetheart, is not a scam. You you're involved.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
Yeah, she's in on it. And because you have a
choice there, like I'm American taxes, that's a scam.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
But we have no choice because we're in America, so
we're not in on the heist though.

Speaker 5 (01:39:07):
Even though we know what's where's where we are, where
the mark? Yes, where the mark?

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
We're getting? Got the mark?

Speaker 8 (01:39:14):
I would tell her either, I mean, keep looking, keep
looking for a new stylist. And also, girl, learn how
to do your own hair with the recession indicator.

Speaker 9 (01:39:23):
Learn how to do your.

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
Own hair that will because then you can always get
your hair done at the drop of a dime. And
learned how to do a cute style on yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Shave it off, get rid of it.

Speaker 8 (01:39:33):
Everybody got the head for a ball shaved off the
head foot ball head, me being one of them. That's
why I don't have a ball head and not remember no,
my tall ass forehead. You bug the funk out. I'm
very aware of you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
I think you can do it.

Speaker 8 (01:39:49):
That's make it happy, peace, make it happen. You thought
you was gonna come near my head with some motherfuckery photoshop.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
You were telling Peege to get some clippers, you know,
peas gonna make it happen, and to get a corner.
Make it, make it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
Happen, Peach, Please, if you give me a bang like
on the ballad, you just keep this right here and
let that hang down right there.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
I'm curls.

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
Yeah, just find somebody and get that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:25):
Girl abandoned ship.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Yeah right, yeah, too soon, Josh with another one.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (01:40:33):
Rory, mam DeMars? So I'm getting annoyed with my best friend.
Uh we've known each other since third grade. We're twenty
nine now. Damn man, I'm in a three year relationship.

Speaker 5 (01:40:48):
No, there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
Everything's going good.

Speaker 5 (01:40:50):
They not in well, but your girl don't like him.

Speaker 6 (01:40:53):
My boy.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
He's been asking me.

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
Can he hit some of my past flings, not my
actual excess, but like women I used to deal with
and sound like it's always been a thing, like we'll
pass them back and forth. Never together did anything together,
let me make that clear. But we'll pass them back
and forth. But we're doing that in our younger twenties.

(01:41:25):
We're getting older now, Like I know you can pull
if you wanted to. Why do you keep messing with
the women I used to mess with? And I want
to confront him about it, but I don't want to
come off way too harsh.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
But like it's to the point where like it's getting weird,
Like I don't know, I love him.

Speaker 6 (01:41:51):
I'm gonna keep loving him, but it's getting weird, and
it could I think it needs to stop, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
For the advice, well, I would say it is weird
number one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Number two, it sounds like, you know, you just want
to grow up, and you just want your best friend
to grow up with you and stop doing the things
that y'all were doing when y'all were in your teens
in early twenties. And then this, you know, we just
got to try to cover all bases here.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
He might just like you mall not everybody is as
funny is I knew mal was going to go with that.
In the middle of that, I mean, because you're feeling me,
you're feeling me.

Speaker 9 (01:42:29):
They could just have the same taste.

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
It ain't the same taste. Sometimes your nigga want to
taste you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Oh my God, just keep its keeping real Fridays you
want me to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
It's Thursday, Thank God, it's Thursday. I'm out. I feel God.
It's just you know what you want me to do.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
It is what it is like that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
I'm just saying that.

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
I love to hear from our guests. What does our
guest think outside of them all thinking everybody is flaming.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
I don't think everybody's flaming.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
I'm just saying that guy I gave, I gave three
difference scenarios.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
I'm just saying that could be one of them. I
don't notice. Gentlemen, I think you shouldn't care. You've been
with your shorty for three years. I don't think you
should care what your man is doing, who he's trying
to hit. I don't think you should give a shit
unless you plan on running and back with any of them. Women.

Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
But it is a thing that my best friend is
every month he sent me like, Yo, you know who
I was with last night, Kim?

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
Remember you used to fuck with? I'm like, yo, doll, Like,
why are you still running behind all my shit?

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
He shouldn't even be asking him, Like, okay, I'm out speaking.
But it's a best friend, ya, So I don't care
what you're like. If it's funny, he might think it's funny,
and he's saying it's time to grow up. Like, but
I can't dictate when another man decides to grow up,
especially if I've been with my shorty for three years.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
I don't really care what you do. Don't bring it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
But but that's that's not because I halfway agree with
you now. Of course I wouldn't care about what my
old work is doing. I'm in a happy relationship, not
even thinking about that. But I can recognize a pattern
and find it odd. Why is my man's only trying
to fuck with girls I used to fuck with. I
don't care about those girls. But why do you get, man,
what you want to do?

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
That because you've you've because I've put some numbers on
the board and I've had some all stars, and he
wants those same all He wants the All Stars that I.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Yeah, but go get some new stars.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Yours is accessible, right, let's he said.

Speaker 8 (01:44:17):
Cassie said, they heard I was good. They want to
see if it's true. I stop running your motherfucking mouth.

Speaker 9 (01:44:22):
So you can't go and say no, they got the
best sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
That's the name we should be throwing in this type
of conversation right now.

Speaker 8 (01:44:28):
No, well, lyric, but the point of it is you
can't go and like brag about the sandwiches over down
the street and then be mad.

Speaker 9 (01:44:36):
We homeboy won't go taste the sandwiches that you keep bragging.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
And my young years when my friends have came here. Yeah,
but if I was crazy, I never went my head like, damn,
I gotta have it to like if I get your
own sandwich, if I want your head.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Like if I got a sandwich and I buy it
to a sandwich, you like, let me get a piece.
Every time I gotwich, get with yours left the store
with me.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
We was just in the same boat, dagga calling make
your own people and I ordered this turkey and cheese.
You were standing right next to me. Okay, but now
let me get it strong.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Now you got it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:07):
Now you got to give chef in the house and
he want to go back to the fair with you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
You got your own ship, Go to the sandwich spot
and get a new sandwich. Stop going through the trash.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
Out the sandwich. I mean, if you got a chef.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Listen, If I go outside my crib and see somebody
digging in through my garbage every day, I'm like, what's
up with you?

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
Got the chicks is garbage?

Speaker 5 (01:45:27):
I'd say I've been there, I had that already. Why
do you want to I'm not I'm not saying I
would do it the way I think about what.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not saying.

Speaker 5 (01:45:36):
I'm not saying I.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Rehearse the genders, then yes, reverse the genders. If a
girl was acting now, that's why does she want to all.

Speaker 5 (01:45:44):
The dudes that you had?

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Because I don't like what the marriage do that she
would say that if a girl was doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:49):
The man we're trying to get talking about niggas the.

Speaker 9 (01:45:52):
Same what he said.

Speaker 8 (01:45:54):
He did not say it was any of his exes
or women that he was in love with, or actually
he said it was women that he just have flings.

Speaker 9 (01:46:01):
I told my homegirls, yo, you know the ones that
I was in.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Love with, Okay, go have fun. We've joked about that
with not exes, but chicks. I've dealt with you being
as gay as you are, as like, damn, I need
that you cool with.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
That, like in a joking way. That's no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. It's only with like two specific ones
that she brings up exactly. If she did that with
everyone I fucked with, I'd be like, demeris, what the
fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
You have a weird thing with who I'm fucking rather
than finding two women I happen to attractive. Yeah, I
don't think Demere is weird when she says that if
she went through my whole body count and wanted to
add it to hers, I'd be like, all right, you
have something weird going Coming.

Speaker 8 (01:46:42):
From the friends perspective, Do I think the friend is
a little freaked out?

Speaker 9 (01:46:45):
Sure, but you have really good taste.

Speaker 8 (01:46:48):
So even if you had never slept with those women,
those would still be women that I was attracted to
because we have the same type.

Speaker 9 (01:46:54):
So you if his best friend has the same type
as him, you can't be I'm not.

Speaker 8 (01:46:58):
But if you was out here fucking everything walking in
the city and now you wiped up and now I
can't talk to nobody in the city because you don't
fuck them all.

Speaker 9 (01:47:04):
That don't make it East.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
It's the specific part of him hitting him up about women.
Heats like, Okay, we don't want to make it win.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
You're trying to tell him. Listen, bro, this is about
to happen. I'm just trying to let you know what
I'm what I'm about to do. She's right here, some
man I tell him, and then he'd be really pissed. Right,
But there's a thing not to mention. The women are down.
It's not like he's it sounds it sounds like they
have to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
That's the part. The marriage ain't speaking to that. I'm
trying to speak to the women is.

Speaker 9 (01:47:27):
Rolling and they know the niggas ain't close like that.
He said, this is best the own the US.

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
It's the third grade. They've been cool. Tone Now yeah,
damn what.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Let's use New York City for example. Women over twenty
years old, New York City four point three million?

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
Oh Rory, Okay, why you why are you focused on
the five girls I fucked?

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
You know how?

Speaker 5 (01:47:47):
What the fuck is wrong with you? You know if
it's only fine this year, just to settle down. Everybody's
done in a.

Speaker 8 (01:47:53):
Year walking to a spot, Rory running to a piece
that he done hit New York is what did they do?

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
All hug me?

Speaker 5 (01:48:03):
Made it nasty? I'm saying, give me a hug. I
miss you, Give me a hug.

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
You.

Speaker 8 (01:48:13):
There's a little the best friend could do better. But
my thing is like you, Like like Max said, he's you.
You married like you damn near married, you in love?

Speaker 9 (01:48:21):
Don't why are you worried?

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
You guys are missing mall and I's point, that's okay completely,
let's agree to disapoint.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
If it was me, he wouldn't even have to tell me,
Like I'm being being real with you, I wouldn't even.

Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
Need to know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:32):
I wouldn't either. I'd literally be a little annoyed. Super cap,
I'm calling it fellas cap.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
We're not we're not gonna act like we wouldn't care,
and we're not gonna act.

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
We're not doing that. I would not act.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
I wouldn't care. I'm not acting. I really wouldn't care.
I don't care. Now, Okay, if it was your ex
or just a fling sling, I don't give a ship.
What you do if it was an actual care X
is different, Okay, cool X is a different energy, but.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
I would still find I wouldn't care, but I would
raise an eyebrow like that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
It wouldn't be enough for me to call into a
show and ask for advice. It's a fleet.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
I didn't care. I didn't care enough to keep her.
It's my whole point.

Speaker 5 (01:49:18):
I didn't care enough to keep Maybe she adn't care
enough to.

Speaker 9 (01:49:20):
Keep you well.

Speaker 8 (01:49:22):
He acting like y'all always the ones leaving, like y'all
don't be getting.

Speaker 5 (01:49:25):
Them sometimes sometimes nine times. I don't know if y'all
have done this.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
Checked this study. Nine times out of ten, men don't
leave even when they cheat. They don't leave. Men don't
break up. The men don't file for hate it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:42):
No, we just.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Keeping keeping the keeping the family together is more important
for most dudes.

Speaker 9 (01:49:48):
No, that's not why niggas be staying. But what stop?

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Yeah, I've seen Anthony Edwards. He only want to see
his baby. He said, I'm cool, take cash outside. That
nigga said cash me outside. I saw that at that
one fat he said that one point.

Speaker 5 (01:50:08):
Ain't quick. He had that in his book back. He's
like how much is it take this?

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
She I saw that story. She told him she was
getting the abortion first. He gave her honey k for that,
and she never got it, and she came back around
with the baby. We are intering, We are entering interesting times.
But I knew this was going to happen eventually. It
was just a matter of time.

Speaker 5 (01:50:26):
This had been happening already.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
It's just no, I'm talking about father's legally opting out
of fatherhood. I knew we were going to get to
that point. The argument was too too strong on both sides.

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
The argument is it was a nigga named Anthony.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
It was that had had access to one point eight
million right now today versus my dad, he probably would
have cashed out yet one point, like our father didn't
have that money.

Speaker 5 (01:50:50):
Just sit down around liquid. They said, Megan get pregnant.
Let me get pregnant.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
I need That's the difference is that men don't have
it to be like all right, I'm gonna put me
on child support.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Obviously got you know, help take care of his baby.
But now see at one point, the next thing, the
next thing is to scale. But Anthony Edwards operates at
a high scale. Yeah, they're gonna scale that down for
guys who don't operate it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
Absolutely, the numbers gotta do. They gotta tell ye, the
numbers are gonna start coming. I'm only watching this because
I got a homeboy who's a lawyer. He's really into
like the whole child custody such and such.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
It does need to be addressed.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
The biggest argument is if a woman can walk away
from being pregnant whenever she feels like it, men should
have the right to walk away from that whenever they
feel like it. There's always that argument happening in the middle.
I knew eventually somebody was gonna score that. Yeah, some judge,
some lawyer, somebody was going to be like, oh word,
nah fuck that go ahead. Somebody was gonna agree and

(01:51:48):
set it off. Now I'm trying to figure out where
we go from here.

Speaker 5 (01:51:53):
Yeah. Adding in legality to abandoning children is hilarious, Like
where are we.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
It's always it's always been no I think they should
joke is hilarious. You have the right to abort it.
I have the right to abandon it. Yeah, Like I
get the logic in there, but family doesn't mean logic.
Love doesn't mean logic like.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Legally, yes, birth doesn't mean that. Birth doesn't mean fatherhood
of course. Like so again we come right back around
on the other side of the corner. I'm not I'm
not pro I'm just I'm on the outside looking, but
I'm really curious has to wear Like now that that's happened,
and that then the books and that's a precedent.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
It's like, yeah, slipery slope. Okay, let's see, let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
What because now the next one is, well, you know,
I'm a mechanic, but I don't want this kid and
she's having it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
What what do I need to pay?

Speaker 6 (01:52:40):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
What's the standard? What's the number? How much do I
need to come up with for her to leave me
alone for the rest of what?

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
They usually go about an income and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Again that's how that's how they determined child support. But
now I'm like opting out completely. What's that number going
to be for like the whatver?

Speaker 5 (01:52:53):
Break it down?

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
If you what's your what's your income?

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
Okay, so two thousand dollars a month?

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
That's what twenty fourth in a year.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
There's a child support calculator on yeah, on your phone,
your phone, there's that for that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
Yeah, yeah, oh where again we're slippery, slippery, dangerous times.
I don't know where it's going. But when I saw that,
that was like, and I see the women who are pissed,
but the woman he paid isn't.

Speaker 5 (01:53:26):
Of course she's not.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
So it's like that was a whole goal, right, So
you can't even defend it. You can't even get mad
on her behalf. You can try and shame him, but
he never wanted the fact that it's legally allowed is
where I'm Yeah, it's where my interest is. I can't
wait to see how this shakes out for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
I think it obviously is going to change a lot
of things, pecially when you talk about like athletes making
that amount of money.

Speaker 5 (01:53:48):
Anthony was is probably gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Make close to a billion dollars playing basketball, So you know,
when you talk about that and you know, having kids
and you know he doesn't want to have a kid,
and they agreed on the abortion, he's into a one
hundred thousand at one point, you know, she she went
to turks instead. I mean, you can't be allowed to
double back and then try to hit me for child

(01:54:10):
support on a kid that I thought we were aboarding
a pregnant that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
Yeah, it's just like going like the man has to
be protected to at some point, at some cost they
don't care. Well now, yeah, now.

Speaker 5 (01:54:21):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
Now, Now men have to because because you know, looked
at us, well, Michael Jackson told us that. But if
you look up it is it is a thing where
you know, athletes are targeted or men that make a
lot of money of.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
A certain tier are targeted. Financially, Yeah, they should be protected,
that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
You know. Whatever that looks like I'm just saying that
the men should be protected us.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
And it's looking like it's going to look like the
ability to opt out is going to be one of
those options financially opt out.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
And what does that severance package look like? What's the
severance on us?

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
A whole seven?

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
Yeah, severance package, like you'll just pay this.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
I got I got two bread and then by Chevelle about.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
Yeah, just take it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:07):
Be a trend. Tell conn ed you opt out. I'm
not paying it. Yeah, mortgage to opt out. I don't
want to.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
I'm done. I'm not fucking with you, man.

Speaker 5 (01:55:18):
I really appreciate it. Appreciate you man, deeply.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Appreciate what fella's having me like, this is one of
the shows that I've been a fan of since you
guys started it off. I'm in a fan of you
guys before you started the show.

Speaker 5 (01:55:29):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
I'm happy to see that everyone's on their feet, successful
in doing their numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:55:36):
I'm just I'm just really really happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Appreciate that, man, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
Salute to bust the Dragon season coming out, mister Mac
on YouTube. I gotta start pushing that now, which I've
never done before.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Never, But it's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:55:52):
I never cared. I always thought it was I always
thought my career was supposed to be behind it camera,
writing the whole nune. I thought that's where it was
going to be for the rest of them, same life.
Now that things change, this is where the people are
and this is kind of where mm so now I
have to say miss the mech on YouTube after that,

(01:56:15):
like share of subscribers become part of my vocabulary.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
The behind the scenes people are the better people for
on camera. That's what I've noticed in the Less than You. Yeah,
all people that were striving to just be on camera
were in it for the wrong reasons, not because they
had something to say. They just wanted to be on camera.
When you're seeing people have something to say, they live
and breathe this entire thing. That's why the shift has happened.
We never went in saying I want to be on camera.

(01:56:39):
We wanted to come in and contribute to what we love.
So we have way more of a perspective on it
than anyone else. The rest of y'all just wanted to
have the lights on and look this way and repeat
whatever your program director told you to say.

Speaker 5 (01:56:50):
You have no perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
My family still can't believe you like fan, you don't
like the culture.

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
Yeah, I've never.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
Ever wanted this, but you know, grateful for it, happy
for glad with building something. But this was never about
to be on camera.

Speaker 4 (01:57:03):
Mike. But you're so suited.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
No, No, I mean thank you for that. But you know,
I'm just my friends that really know me that they
they laugh at what I do. They like dog, you
don't talk to nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
But I think that's how this happens, right Like there
are those of us who are just who we are,
and next thing you know, they're a group of people
who resonate what we say. Resonates with them so crazy.
Your friends they may laugh at you, but at the
same time you're saying the thing that they would say,

(01:57:37):
which is why they fucked with you.

Speaker 5 (01:57:38):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
Ory's is exactly and I know worries. They look at
him and go, what he said is what I would say,
And then I get that. It's like, Yo, your perspective
on the show, the things you say, if I was there,
that's what I would have said.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
I fuck with you. Keep now It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
Okay. But I never looked at it that way. I
always considered it that when it was artists like, you
don't want to be good, you just want to be famous.
You just want to be No, you don't care about
being dope, you just want to be famous.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
On that, podcasters want to be famous and they think
that they're artists.

Speaker 5 (01:58:08):
That's another topic. That's that's a whole nother on just
gender peace.

Speaker 9 (01:58:16):
No Willia

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