New Rory & Mal: Best of 2025 | Part 2 - New Rory & MAL

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
What if those pictures that we have seen of the
Earth are fake? What if they are because we don't
We're not satellite we have I haven't. I'm not Superman, right,
can fly and go? Ah? It is round? What if
they're lying to us because we're here on the planet.
We don't know what the fuck they're doing up there? Right,
they could be I'm saying they could be lying.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
With the moon landing, I you know, the moon landing,
I'm side of them.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm doubting that shit, you know, especially after those space
cunts went up there. I'm sorry the cosmic cunts this yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Calling by the proper names, the cosmic cunts.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
The cosmic cunts went up, kid, they go up.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
There was some air and there, first of all, where's
your helmet?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
At minimum? Like, where's first of all, where's your pressure suit?
They didn't even have at least motorcycle helmets. I saw
again they this over. I'm just saying I don't mean
to insul them, but I was just like.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
And you and then you have fucking Katie Perry describing
what the fuck happened, But why would you pick her?
Its like it was just love, love and conduction and
just love and we were just that and connect what
the fuck are you talking about? We're talking science, like, hey,
I felt the gravitational pull and then Bezos his wife

(01:57):
with that fucking you would think that she had all
that face ship done, that the gravity would have her
whole ship would have been like, oh my god, yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Girl just fucked my whole operation.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Her ship would have been like she would have looked
like a fucking yeah it was. There was no effect
on that. So I was like, we're and they were
like this, we're we're in fast. If you're in space,
if you're on a high speed fucking train, you're like this,
oh ship right. If you're oh fucking you know, I

(02:31):
do you know that, you're like, oh ship, god damn.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
But you're in space and you're just going.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Look at my daisy, Oh my god a death.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
It meant canucksha.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And then they came out like yeah, if you come
from space, you're like fuck.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah that was And then Bassos tried to open the door.
They already opened it over there.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
It was like fucking too.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
He was like, yeah, we saw it.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, no asks to make sure his wife is okay, yes,
and you know what, and then it's like you can't
we our bodies can't handle those kind of forces, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
And you're in an airplane thirty five thousand feet and
you're pressure and then come on, there's pilots that go
higher than that.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Fuck you talk. These pilots are up there with helmets on.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
It, and you yeah, and you're higher than they are.
But you're like, yeah, Beth fal Frontier, Yeah, evens.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Like spuck, we have to go on turbo. He's like this, Captain,
I don't think we can make that.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
He's like, damn it, TV, this makes no space trek
look like real space, Like, yeah, I don't think we
can make that.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I think that force will suck his spunk. We have
to get there to spunk.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Right, And these motherfuckers like, yeah, we were there.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
It's love and it's Connock shining.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
It was brunt time for feminism in that high altitude.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
The fuck is wrong with you? Any gendering shot?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
And what the fuck not that she found about love
of there. It was the fact that she decided two
days later that she needed to learn how to walk again.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Did you see that concert she was doing? That ship
was trash.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Her concert was gibbage straight.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
That ship was so bad she was she was I said,
maybe she did go because she deliverately crickets.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
They left her.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Gravitational forces done fucked her knees up.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
When she was in that dressed as a fucking that
was at least she should have been dressed in that
to go to space.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
But they were all these sexy suits.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
And then there's Gail King, right, and there's Oprah's body double,
and then there I call her Oprah stunt double because
if Oprah's like in a car scene and she rolls out.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's Gail.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Car and there's two scientists were real scientists. The girl
that's the Vietnamese girl who was actually you know, she
was like sexually assaulted when she was a scienceman. Yeah,
she's gone through a lot. She's actually a real astrophysicist
or whatever. And the black girl. It's the in the middle.
There's the Vietnamese, the Vietnamese shiit in the front that's

(05:31):
the lowest, and the black girls. They're too real astral site.
So I think they brought them in to just keep
the hopes going. But it was some bull They went
straight to Katie Perry first and I said, oh, this
is bullshit.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
They fucked up. Yeah. Yeah, She's like, it was just
love and can shut We're just.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
She was gonna look Gail like kind of had a
little sassy attitude like when she she was like.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
This, She's like, have you been in the space, then
you tell me your friend is Jeff Besos. Space costs
a million dollars a take. I just did. I was
just on kayak to get my ticket to go to
North Carolina. You're talking about. I was using my flyer
miles and negotiate it just try to go to our

(06:14):
flight and you're talking about have you been to slate?
That's what I knew it was. Bush. I'm sorry, have
you been to state? So when you get to space,
let me know. Have you been to space?

Speaker 4 (06:24):
No, we haven't. You're the only ones that have obviously
been there, because that's what you know, what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Flint doesn't have clean water and you went to space.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
God, I totally forgot about that, that Flint didn't have
no water.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
No, I went to Flint.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
I'm talking about this space voyage that Gail Kingdom went in.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
People don't believe it. You've been to space.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
If I have a friend named Jeff Bay, a friend
of Jeff Basos, I'll go right and he'll pay for
my dam But you didn't go to su Have you
been in space? You obviously haven't either because you explaining
anything to us, you could have been like, well, the
gravitational forces.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
It was really amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
We saw then we saw cosmic dust and just some
space talk like you could be at least like we
I think we saw like Haley's comic come by, and.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
We saw there's asteroid.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
We were able to see, you know, the news the craters,
and I mean, I know some science like tell us
something you were like this, have you been space? Well,
if you don't know space, shut your hands. And you
know how they use the word space now just in jail.
I just love this space that we're in. You know,

(07:35):
that's cap that we were in a space in space.
It was sort of a safe space in space, which
was sort of space like a safe craft.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
So everything's about space.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
That I'm space from the space, and in this space,
I was able to really be in a safe place
for space.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
And this is a good working space. And you know,
and people don't know about this space. You know nothing
about the space.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
So where are you on the side of still want
to take Lord Jamara?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Antarctica?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Do you remember when they did the experiment recently?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
What thirty five thousand dollars apiece for these flat earthers
to go to because.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
They say that Arctica.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
There's an end in Antarctica or some other like big
fucking land.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Okay, there's a wall, yes, So this dude's on the
Roman Child's on the other side.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm right, I'm bringing to take care.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's a rough Child island right there.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Go to Google maps.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Is there a Rothschild island in Antarctica.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
No, it's a fact, snow Castle. Listen, I'm saying that
the Earth is round. I'm also saying that the rough
Child's own an island and.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Antara like that.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Along with that, it could be.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
The Rothschild the Rockefell.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, I believe all that now.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
But as far as like he goes, okay, I'm gonna
take you guys to anahartic fly. You all out this guy.
Scientists paid thirty five thousand a piece. Yeah, I got
the money. And then we're gonna sit there and watch
the sun. If the sun stays in the air, stays
out for twenty four hours at the Earth's round, they
were like, okay, bet they camped out that fucking sun
stayed there because they were like, that's cgi, that's fucking are.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
They all right?

Speaker 3 (09:20):
So they were. They took like flat Earther influencers, like
they took the Kendall Jenner of flat Earth down there, right,
and then when they got there there was like, yo, no,
the twenty four hours don't exists, like we yeah, yeah,
it's it's real. Then they exiled them like some scientology shit,
like they kicked them out of the flat earther community
because they were like, guys, I was there.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I promise you that was not they were, and then
they're like, it's round, Earth is round, It's it's right.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
And we were all Sinati kicked out of the fraturn.
It's the freak kicked out. You're out here. You think
it's fucking wrong, you think it's a spear. You're out
of her asshole.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
And internet is just the worst place because when I
was they make their money though, whenn't even.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Looking at the flat air ship.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
When I started on that rabbit hole, they were telling
me like, yo, there's no flights from Argentina to Australia
and I was like, damn, why is that the case?
Then I went on price line. I'm like, no, you
can fly. Put misinformation as a fact and if you
don't double he just doesn't.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Go to Trinidad. I just found that yesterday they don't.
So it's not a triangle.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
You look at the.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Jet you can get there route they sow the lines.
Jet Blue has more lies. Now we're going to.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I feel like we have to give Maul some flowers here.
I mean, it's no secret that his brother and his
crew created the term pause, and then Maul took the
torch and very bravely in twenty twenty five, was one
of the only people that when you say something that
has nothing to do with sexuality, he says, that's because
you're gay. And then the torch was passed back to

(11:02):
Dame and the crew. You earned, like, this is a legacy.
This is a legacy of homophobia that I think is
just incredible that now they're taking your phrases.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Who's making them?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm a homophobic? Oh you know, I don't think you're HOMOPHOBA.
Did you watch this Dame Dash and Charloatagne. I watched
it three times. This is the greatest show on earth
right now. Let me say Breakfast Club as well, because
they were all there. This is probably the first interview
I've watched twice in maybe five years.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, I don't watch anything.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Other than like maybe a movie or a series when
you're talking about interviews and things like that.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I watch clips and things like that.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
But this, this Dame Breakfast Club interview, it was just
another one to add because I think every time he's
done it this it's a classic. I don't think he's
ever done a Breakfast Club interview.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
He has the greatest Breakfast Club bisography of all time.
When he put out the first one, it was like,
how could he ever top that?

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, no, this one, we didn't know what we had coming.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
So what exactly happened for the people that haven't watched
it because I only seen a clip, and the clip
I saw what Charlomagne saying, raise your hand if you
think Dame is broke, and I was screaming, I'm like, yo,
what the fuck is going on in this interview? But
I didn't watch the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Well, that was after an hour and a half of
things being off the rails, and anytime Charlamagne said anything,
Dame would say, well, that's because you're gay. So then
Charlemagne at some point started to get not frustrated. He
played into it well and was like, RAI ja Anne,
if you think Dames broke? And then Dame said, raise
your hand if you think Charlamage is gay. This was

(12:40):
one of the crowd.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Oh, I thought you was telling the room. Yeah, before we.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Get into this, I would say, I apologize with some
of my Charlomagne hate of the Complex list. Yeah, this
could put you at number one after this fucking effet.
This is the greatest shit I've ever seen in my life. Yeah,
because even like before when Envy and Charlemagne trying to
talk or argue with Dane is one of the hardest

(13:09):
things on earth. So the way they handled it of
like really playing into it made it one of the
greatest interviews I've ever seen in my entire life. But
where do we even begin. Nothing was covered. I just
want to make that clear. We got no answers on anything,
No real questions were asked. Dame became a chairman in
the middle of calling somebody that has been on Revolt Gay.

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Everything was insane. He was standing up, he was I
was like, how is the mic even still picking up?
He's running laps around the table. It was the crazy,
littlest thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
It was cool because Dame he went up there, well,
he had announcements. We don't know how true those announcements are,
but he had announcements, and he wanted he wanted to
use that as an opportunity for you know, Charlemagne or
Envy to say things that they may have said about
Dame when he wasn't there, like Okay, let's let's talk

(14:02):
about it now and Dame, you know, he started it with,
you know, I'm not going to get upset. I'm not
going to yell, so like, you know, you're not going
to trigger me, Like, but just don't cut me off.
Let me answer so that you can understand what I'm saying.
So he went up there with the right energy. He
went up there with the energy to kind of like
answer any you know things that they may have been
saying about him, you know, saying he's broke and you
know whatever whatever you know they may have been saying,

(14:24):
it's like okay. So Dan was trying to explain, like
if I've been paying two hundred and fifty thousand a
year in child support for the last however many is
it's that person broke, Like these are the things that
you you know.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
So he went up there trying to teach.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Them and say, you know, y'all don't know because y'all
are stuck in his box and it's coughing every day, so.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Y'all don't know what's really going on. Y'all don't know business.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
So it started as trying to shed light on some
of the things that they may have been hearing about
Dame in so many ways. I think that you and
I both know some of the things that Dame is
doing legally to where it's like, okay, you know, we
get it.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
We unders so he was giving away a little too
much on that down to the.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
So you know, it's like we understand. But I think
he went up there just to have a come.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
But then in Dame fashion, it has to be entertaining,
and it has to be you know him, you know,
talking shit about somebody in the room, like snapping on him.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
It has to That's Dame, that's who he is.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
And it made for a great another classic Dame Dash
Breakfast Club interview. Now, some of the things he was saying,
you know, his announcements with the chairman thing and all,
you know, a revolt you know, then I guess the
president of revolts like came out and said that that
wasn't true. We don't know if he's saying it's not
true meaning it's not happening, or it hasn't happened yet.

(15:43):
Maybe there are talks of it happening, but as of
I guess still today, I don't think that they've come
out of me really a statement saying that he is
the chairman.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
So again because so much dancing and manipulation was happening
throughout the entire interview. He briefly said which I don't
know how to fully interpreted. He was saying that he
has a certain amount of time to.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
To buy it.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I guess like he was the chairman, but there's only
a window where he has he has to make a
choice of whether he's acquiring this or not. So I
guess officially he wouldn't be, but the it was offered,
so if he wants to be, he could be. I'm
not going to sit here and try to explain it
because I didn't fully understand. But when they came out
and said that was all false, I was like, I

(16:28):
went back to that part, and that's where I think
he was explaining, like he has a window and if
he wants to take it, he can take it.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
If he doesn't, then he's going to move on.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
And I think he may have just taken like when
you put when your house is in escrow. I think
he may have took an escro role at Revolt as
the chairman, not officially, just so he could get back
at CAM publicly. And I don't think he will be
taking that Revolt chairman Joe. I think that was all
just a play to be able to go to breakfast

(16:59):
club and say, Cam, I'm your boss now.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I thought he was gonna have way more smoke for
envy outside of the first one. Envy was the one
on Instagram last week in front of all his cars, like.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
This is what not being a boss gets you.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
After Dame had had filed chapter eleven, I thought he
was gonna come with envy smoke. I didn't know he
was going to be calling charlatm Mane gay For two
hours he fouled chapter eleven and chapter seven. Chapter seven,
I'm sorry, but classic, But how do you argue with
somebody when because even towards the end, Charlottinne tried to
get it back on on at least subject, how do

(17:35):
you argue with someone and when you ask a valid question?

Speaker 4 (17:37):
The only response I have at that point is it's
because you're gay.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
The Funny Show, in the beginning they were cutting Dame off,
but then they stopped, and then Dame would ask him
a question and they try to answer me, like stop
cutting me off, Like you just asked me a question.
I'm answering your question.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
That's a classic classic Breakfast Club one thousand, Like the
first I saw a clip first and I said, oh no,
I gotta watch, Like I can't. I can't just watch clips.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
I have to watch it because I knew just that
energy that Dame had in that clip that I was
watching him calling Charlemagne gay.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I was just like, oh yeah, this is another classic
about to have one.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
And this is why you just can't argue with anybody
from uptown because they have this strategy and you do
it too, where you get other people involved in the
room that want nothing to do with it, and then
they sit there awkwardly. Like when he was arguing with Charlomagne,
he went over to Jess. Jess hadn't said a fucking

(18:38):
word yet, and I forgot exactly what it was. So
I use an example, Jess, is he gay?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yes? Or no?

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Is he gay? And Jess is like, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Dudes from uptown, that's how they argue in rooms. They
just bring in other people and be like yo, yes
or no, like dude, I'm not in this, I have
no don't try to use me to prove your point,
and then when you do that, you're like see see
he thinks he thinks the same thing.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
I mean, well, Envy said he thought Charlamagne was gay too,
though he just said I think he's kind of gay too.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So I think Envy was being like funny, like that's
his co host, Like that's like if about one of.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Us, Like, well, I mean you are and you are too, nigga,
Now what you can't steal that?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
You sound like you want me to convince you that
he's not gay. You not like you want me to
convince it.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
No, no, no, it's not that you can't. You can't
do that because you're actually gay, Like that's that's on record?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
What gay?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Like are you trying to recruit me? Like I don't Rord'
is not on record doing gay ship, Like, don't do that.
Don't you start that. I'm not on record or offer because.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Because at one time I did get a lot of
pussy and I must have been gay at that time.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
No, no, any type of like you really and I
wanted to say, I'm I had Rory. You wasn't getting
that type of pussy that we talking about.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Like you wasn't and you wasn't like in a see
we were saying like when you're in a relate, a
healthy relationship and you just can't stop.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Oh no, we got on the relationship PRT.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Then we were just going into just getting mad pussy,
like if you just fuck a lot and like run
through girls, you're gay.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
That's we did not say that, but okay.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah we left it. We were talking talking about relation.
You're just cheating on your girl, like serial cheater. You
know what I'm saying, Just like Hale Phase on tour. No, no, no,
that's not the same. Different city like we're saying, you
have you just savor as Tennessee. We've all been there.
I love Miss Tennessee, love her, miss I want to
say she's doing in life. But yeah, this.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Breakfast club interview though, was definitely a definitely want for
the Red. But Dame has I'm people say what they want.
Dame has the ability to like sit on a platform
and like you know, I guess, go viral whenever he wants.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
He has that.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
He's he's that type of personalities that he's you know,
he speaks about he says whatever the fuck he wants
to say. He's not apologetic about what he wants to say,
and then he says shit like I'm the chairman of
Revolt and people are just like.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
The Revolts, says, you're not like and then he calls
them lives. He posted on his Instagram and says, this.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Is a lot.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
So it's like, you know, anybody that has the ability
to do that, you know, then this is people are
gonna watch it. People love that type of ship where
it's just like, yo, this dude is crazy, but Dame
is not crazy.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Is definitely very intelligent.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
His methods and you know, the way he goes about
things are a little unconventional, but he's had success in
being unconventional, so that doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah. I just think the fact that he was up.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
There and you know it kind of got a little
little tension between him and Charlomagne is what kind of
made that whole thing like, oh no, I got to
watch it.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
But I mean they both handled it very well because
it could have went left. And I like to how
both of them had that understanding because even when Dames
like I could punch you in your face right now,
you would do nothing.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
I would never do that.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
But you're feminine, like you're you were proud of running,
I'm proud of of staying and get my ass for
you're gay.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Dang it did this gay? Math you ran? I wouldn't. Yeah,
you gay.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
We do need to start by saying rest in peace
to one of the greatest musicians, singers, artists of.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Our time di'angelo.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
This this was one of those this like when artists
die or celebrities die sometimes like oh that sucks with this,
this one like hurt, like you felt like I know
him and I've never met him.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, it's this. I don't even know where to begin
on this one.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
How many times in the last ten years of podcasting,
if have we just discussed our dms that was one
of our favorite artists ever. Anytime we have an R
and B debate first name we bringing up like he
was one of them. Absolutely, Like you can't compare his
voice or style to any other artist period, whether it
be pop, R and B, Neils or whatever. He I mean,
he was a goat with you know, three albums that

(23:06):
he spread out in each generation an era that he
put an album out.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
He changed the face of music during it.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Absolutely so yeah, I mean, uh, you know, condolences to
his family, definitely, to his his son. Definitely probably rough
rough year for him losing both parents, so so praise
and condolences to his son as well as his daughter too.
But did you ever have the privilege of meeting D'Angelo?

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Uh, he was in the studio one night. I forgot
whose session it was.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
He was in the studio, but we never I never
had the the privilege of having an actual one on
one conversation and kicking with kicking it with him and
giving him his flowers. But you know when you say di'angelo,
you know, for somebody growing up in the nineties, we
call it the Golden era of music R and B
especially Dangelo was was the guy that you know, absolutely

(24:05):
changed the style. You know, you used to seeing musicians
look a certain way. You're not used to seeing musicians
with the talent level of it. The Angelo would have
corn rolls and you know, leather jackets and no shirt
like it was like, you know, he just changed the
style of what musicians look like, especially in the nineties,

(24:27):
Like he just came in and was, you know, just
completely completely, just changed the sound and the energy in
R and B soul. So many people that are an
extension of his talent and his musical genius. So receiving
that news of his passion was definitely heavy, like you know,
because the Angelo was never somebody that was ever really

(24:49):
in the headlines, so it's easy to kind of like
not think about the Angelo unless you like hearing his
music or like you you know, he happens to be
working on a new project. So you know, I forgot
who hit the chat and it was like D'Angelo passed.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
I was like, I read that. I was like, whoa
you let me?

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Just reading that was just like, that's somebody he wasn't
expecting to just you know, read that had passed away.
But after privately, you know, battling the illness and things
like that, you know, the family decided to keep that,
you know, because he was again, he was not Dangelo,
wasn't somebody that was ever really in the headlines. It
wasn't nothing negative, you know. It was just like if
it wasn't about music, if he wasn't performing, you didn't know.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
What D'Angelo was doing. And I think that's the way
he wanted it.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
That's the way he you know, saw to his mystique
and his aura was was strictly about the music and
his talent. But so young, you know, to to pass
away at fifty one and his talent, man, you know,
obviously had to live on.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
His music lives on. But yeah, D'Angelo was was one
of the greats. You know.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
For him to no longer be with us, you know,
so soon, it's just like it's just kind of like,
you know, put you in a fall because you can't
really like damn like that fast so soon, like, but
you know, one of the greatest. Remember listening to you know,
Lady and Brown Sugar being in high school, Like he
was just a soundtrack. If you was, like had a

(26:12):
crush on a girl, you had to play di'angelo. You
had to, like, you know, if it was a talent show,
it was like, who's gonna see DeAngelo?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Like everybody can, who's gonna try to do that? Everybody DiAngelo?
Like he was just the coolest of the cool man.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
So prayers and condolence is his family left an incredible legacy,
you know, just somebody just had so much musical integrity
and so much style and and and did it his way.
So yeah, man, it's it's a terrible loss for the
culture and for music. But you know, his work is here,
his his music is here, the people that he influences here,

(26:48):
the artists that he worked with a still here, so
you know, his music and his art lives off for sure.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, when I was working for Kevin Lyles, he was
working with D'Angelo I guess you could say man Dangelo
at that time for the Black Messiah album and Dangel,
and you know, obviously never came to the office, never.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Was like, you know, part of any meetings or anything.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
But when I say, anytime keV would play like a
song from that album before it came out, like we
would all just gather around like the media room door
like children and just put our fucking ear to the
side to try to hear that shit. So like seeing
that project from an office standpoint completely come together was
like just an honor to be next to somebody that

(27:30):
was working with Dangelo. Like I had nothing whatsoever to do.
I was just in the office, But that was like
one of the coolest times ever of like damn listening
to a D'Angelo project right now, like nobody's heard. But yeah,
with me and Dixon were in Electric Lady, which is
a very famous studio in New York City where you
know Dangel recorded most of his work. So aquariums from

(27:52):
fuck Eric Bado everyone you know recorded out of there.
We like didn't work for like an hour and a
half because we were just sitting there talk like like
Dangelo sat right here. Yeah, like we shouldn't be allowed it.
It's fun, like why are we why are we working
in it?

Speaker 4 (28:06):
This is nuts?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Like that's the same moos incredible talent man. So yeah,
rest in peace.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Again. I don't know if you have any Dangelo memories,
not like personal we'.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Just like you guys covered everything. He's a good job.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, I did see, And I'm not sure if this
was a rumor confirmed that prior to his death he
was working on did it say like six different projects
or something he was working on that wouldn't surprise me,
So I mean hopefully that means, you know, we're still
gonna get D'Angelo music that he would want out, not
just some ship that a label threw together with fucking

(28:40):
old dat tapes. But he was probably battling pancreatic cancer,
so it wouldn't surprise me if he was planning these
projects for after his death. So you know, I hope
we get to at least here though sometimes so absolutely,
but yeah, I don't really know how to turn turn
them round Ben's You know, this was just a perfect

(29:03):
example of sometimes.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
The Angelo to Benzinos because I know, I know, that's
absolutely crazy.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's a perfect example of of like sometimes honoring legends
that have passed, like you should just sit out. Sometimes
we don't need to know what, like what influences you
had from him after his death, because I do believe
that Benzino was influenced by Dangelo. All of us were,
but I didn't need to see like exactly how Benzino

(29:33):
was influenced.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Okay, I cannot, Okay, no, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
I don't think Benzino was influenced by D'Angelo about Benzino's music,
nothing that.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I think this is just what call it. This is
cloud chasing. I think that's exactly what this is.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
No, he was doing this, Yeah, he was, come on,
he was giving Danseelo his flowers before.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
He didn't just do that Angelau died.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
That would be fucking nuice. But oh he didn't just
do this. No, it's still nuts. So he had this
in the vault. Matter of fact, I think.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
It's more disrespectful of doing this when D'Angelo is alive
so he can see it. Why why he's just gonna
have to put that ship somewhere on the screen. It's
it's the untitled video when dangelo is is shirtless with
that shadow. But Benzino took that and put his own
spin on it. Oh this with him being shirtless, this

(30:28):
is how.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Does it feel? Yes?

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Okay, okay, listen, man, I mean I stayed correctly. This
was before this video was out, before D'Angelo passed. Yes, okay,
and I stayed correct And when maybe Benzino was influenced
by No No, he was suggesting like you know, he
posted it when Benzino passed like, hey, I've been influenced
in my career by him.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Here's an example of how how it made him feel. Okay,
and I saw it.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I saw Dangelo's son post something of you know, it's
been a tough year. Thank you guys for having me
in your thoughts and prayers. I'll definitely need it, Like,
keep keep telling me that. Do you think this made
him feel any better? Like something Some tributes should just
be like kept in the touch. I'm sure he read
Beyonce's post and was like, oh man, that's that's really
cool to know that my pops. You know, influenced one

(31:20):
of the biggest pop stars ever. Like those types of
things I think help in grief and death.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
If I saw this, like.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
That's gonna that's gonna delay like funeral plans, I'm gonna
be so angry.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I honestly, it probably gave him a laugh.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
It probably gave him, like or him and his dad
may have laughed at that together before. That could have
been a good memory.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yeah, yeah, Like if that was out before his passion,
then yeah, I'm pretty sure D'Angelo laughed at that.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I also thought it's also crazy to think that James
got the last recorded d' angelo record that was put
out font James Samuel for the soundtrack for the Book
of Clarence. It was the jazon Angelo record I Want
You Forever. Yeah, yeah, so that's that was the last
one that was put out while he was alive, which

(32:10):
is crazy to think.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
But now now that would make sense though, James working
with Dan, Oh, absolutely that makes it.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I'm sure they had been talking about that for quite
some time, even before that, because I think James even
went in interviews and like Hope didn't even know about it,
and he just was sending him snippets. And I think
he said Hove was on the treadmill sending him bars
while he was running on the treadmill because he had
this d' angelo record, Like, yeah, i'll write for Dan.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
You got a d Angelo record, Yeah, I'll get on
that for sure.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
That's such a that's such a cool way for hip
hop to age, like a guy in his fifties on
a treadmill writing raps to a D'Angelo record yea for
a movie called Book of Clarence and then sending them
his voice notes to like someone's iPhone. That absolutely, But yeah,
I wish you guys want to shame me so much.

(33:00):
When I thought D'Angelo was down the hall for me
those months ago.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Oh yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Yeah, when you kept when you kept conveniently having to
walk to the bathroom. Yeah yeah, in the dungeon that flux. Yeah,
but I talked to that. But then when you told
us that, I understood it, though, like I got it. Yeah,
I was like, no, listen, that's that's D'Angelo.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
But it's like, there's a way to go about that still,
But I understood it's D'Angelo. Bro as a musician as
anybody the producer. As an artist, if you have the
opportunity to be in the same rooms, especially a studio,
and just talk to D'Angelo and pick his brain about music,
I mean, you definitely have to take that opportunity whenever
you can, because you don't know when you'll have that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Again, and because he had probably the most unique voice
in R and B history, and be outside of like
Marvin Gay, you know, when you're walking past a studio
and like, all right, that's Dangelo and I've never heard
that song?

Speaker 4 (33:55):
What the fuck is going on in there? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
But yeah, Benzino, I guess we all we all grieve different.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
We do, that is very true. Or we do grieve differently. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
While I am happy that we get new music and
we get a lot of good new music, right, I
do think that.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
It's bad that we get this much new music.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Why it was three albums as far as like bigger artists.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
I feel like we just got the Clips album a
couple of weeks ago, and weeks ago Alfreido two. We
just got Alfraido two a few weeks ago, and now
we have Jid album, we have Gunner's album, we have
Bryson Tiller's album to name a few show some other
projects dropped, But like, when do we have the time

(34:50):
to really like listen to all of this because we
spent so much time having a conversation with my boy
the other day and we've lost We've in the conversation,
we were talking about how we've lost the connection.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
To music like this.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
There's times now where I could love somebody's album and
I don't even remember the lyrics to the raps before.
If I love the probably this album is crazy. I
could recite every song because I felt like there was
a different connection to it versus now we do everything
on our phone. If I'm listening to the music on
my phone and then I get a text message, or

(35:28):
I get a call, or somebody sends me a clip
and I gotta watch this clip, it's like you're being
pulled away from what I'm really like, I'm listening to
music on my phone. So now if I got all
these other things happening, this is like this connect Like
I hear the music, I hear it like I'm listening
to the album, but there's no like the connection order

(35:49):
or the like there's something. This is like a wall
in between us and really connecting to the music.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
It feels like.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
But I don't think it's a music thing per se.
I just think it's an entertainment thing. Well, music is
just folded into that because I mean even the way
we binge shows, Like imagine if a season of The
Sopranos was available one day, not spread out amongst fourteen weeks,
where you watched an episode, you talked about it with

(36:20):
your friends for the whole week, you made predictions, you
did all that, Like you can just binge things immediately,
and then on top of that, you have every bit
of content and your phone on social media, whether it
be TikTok ig, like music is going to fold to
the wayside and that regard, and it's so it's so
much easier to make music.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Now, it's easier to make it, it's easy to put
it out, So in.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
That regard you have and you will get to the
Bryson thing. But you can put a double album out.
But the contradiction there is I feel like no one
has the attention span for it. So it's easier to
put it out, but you're putting it out to consumers
that don't have the time or attention span to listen
to that amount. So yeah, everyone's fucked.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
In that regard.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like imagine, imagine working on Netflix series for three years
and somebody binges it in one rainy Saturday and then says, yo,
know where season two?

Speaker 4 (37:14):
That's from my life? Intoo this shit? Yeah, yeah, it's
access to everything.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
And even when I'm watching something i'm engaged with, I
look at my phone and start scrolling through.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
I'll see that right and get distracted. But the music
is the.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Same way, Like it's very low on the totem pole
if you're not like a real lover of music.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
But even if the songs are too, I loved, I loved.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
I love the technology now because again, literally I could
pull up any song. I could be thinking about a
record and type it in and pull it them and
listen to it.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
So I love Seria.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
You can start saying the lyrics to series.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
I love that aspect of it.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
But there is a difference in the way I connect
to music now then I used to. Like when I
had to literally buy physical music or you know, CDA album,
there was like a different even if I didn't.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Like it, because you could only carry so much with you,
like be able to carry the big CD booklet.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
But but even then, like I would keep one CD.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
And this is what I'm saying, because I think it's
too much now, like we just I'm still listening to
Alfredo two and now I got j Jid's album. Now
I got you know, Bryce's ab'm It's just like, bro,
I'm still I haven't really even you know, really digested.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
All the bars in Alfredo two yet, and already now
j I d is on on my phone. Okay, all right,
I hear you.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
And again I'm not trying to beat Devil's Advocate here. Ironically,
on September eleventh, when Blueprint and fabs first album came out,
like people used to drop on the same day graduation,
Curtis like that would happen often, where people would drop
on the same day.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Right, but tell me what came out three weeks before
those albums. Oh I see it. Yeah, I don't know.
You get what I'm saying, Like that's the different.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
It's just like, okay, we get out Freido two two
weeks ago, well week ago, and then now this week Jed,
next week, Chance the Rapper.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
It's like it's like if.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
I'm on a phone call having a good conversation with somebody.
Somebody calls in, I'm like, hold on, how red? How
often do I go back to the other call? But
that's if it's another good complic. My Homie call was
I'm like, yo, I'm downtown.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Was lit out out there? I just saw so I
forgot I got Homie on the on the on hold now.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
So now it's like, when do you when do you
have an opportunity to really or it's a shorter window
to connect to the music now, I think, and I.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Mean I'm not saying this about you whatsoever. I'm just
saying the consumer. I feel like a lot of the
consumers listen to react as quick as they can, rather
than live with the music and then move on to
the next thing that they can react to.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
So, as an artist, how do you how do you
navigate through that?

Speaker 5 (39:53):
Did you take two years to create and then for
somebody in three hours and be like, Yo, this shit trash?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, that's out of at at that point, that's out
of your control. That's where finding the right consumer in
the right tribe and the right core fan base.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Matters the most, Which is which will get to jid shit.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
I don't think he tried to chase anything at all
but his core fan base on this project, myself being one,
and I think that was the smartest thing ever.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Like you try to, I get it. You got to grow.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
And get more fans the best way possible. Shit we
go through with podcasts and two down to how we
title certain YouTube shit. But at the end of the day,
it's still the core that's really gonna matter and return,
and that's the only people you really should feed. That's
the strategy. That's the only strategy that you could have
control of feeding your core and your tribe. Along the way,

(40:43):
maybe you'll get some more people. But do you think
Freddie and al was sitting there of like, yo, we
got to get it as many people as possible. To
go back to listen to Alfredo one after Thissten is no,
let's keep our formula and grow our formula. That's what's
gonna move. Any type of vinyls move actual real time
ticket sales. That's the only thing that matters at this point.

(41:05):
If you're in that space. And jid Is is a
big artist, like he is. An eminem feature that we
were completely wrong about. I feel like we deserve some
credit because I think he added it back to the
album because of us.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Well, no, you came in here with information that you
heard or you received from somewhere. It was on a EP.
I didn't know it was gonna be on my album. No,
that's an old Rick Ross move. No, but I ain't
gonna lie like that would have been insane if you
don't put us.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
He said when all that shit came out, that this
was not on the album. Oh, he did say that
when he posted the EP. Shit if I'm correct me.
If I'm wrong, fans, you can kill me in the dam.
When he was tweeting, she was like, yo, I want
to put out some shit before my project, like this
is this is the EP before the album? Like this
didn't never play on my album? Okay, but again, I

(41:50):
mean it's an eminem feature so it should stay there.
And I wasn't too mad at it. In the sequencing.
It's not really a song for me, are you? The
relux is strictly to get people talking, intrigued, excited about
the album. That's well, yeah, how I interpreted it, which is,
you know, obviously I was wrong. I interpreted that along

(42:14):
with everyone else, that this was like your pre EP.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Shit.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
The prelux is strictly to get people talking, intrigued, excited
about the album.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Great strategy, but would you not read that.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
So there's another verse on the main album, Nope, I
got two of the best fast rappers of all time.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I think he was alluding to himself in there, But
I mean either way, yeah, to close your point in
that regard, I think just feeding your core is the
only way because the average consumer is just gonna move
on and swipe up to the next fucking fifteen second
reel like music, even when they've chopped it down to

(42:59):
to thirty as far as songs go, that's still hard
to keep people's attention. Like you have fucking movie studios
trying to figure out how can we capture somebody in
ten seconds and they're putting out films that are four hours. Right,
We're fucked with a microwave brain. Like, that's just how
things go. So it is kind of on you as
the consumer to get out of that way, because, yes,

(43:22):
I'm more attached to some of the music I grew
up on, but I also had a different mind state
and was in a different environment at that time and
how I even consume things, So as a music lover,
as a consumer. Sometimes I have to like discipline myself
and be like, yo, don't look at your phone, sit
and just live with this music, because I know that's
where your heart really is with this shit and like

(43:44):
how you feel better and everything.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
I guess for me, it's just different though, because I
used to. I used to literally when the album come out,
you know, or artists I like drops a project. I
burned that project to the ground because I need to
I need to hear it, I need to live with it.
I need to move around with it see if I
like it, love it, hate it. Now it's like I'm
in the mix of still trying to figure out if
I love this project or not. And then now this

(44:07):
week I got another artist that I like, he's dropping
his album. I gotta listen to this, And now it's
just it's like it seems like you can't. I can't
listen to everything fairly, But.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
We also got older, like you also have to add
that factors well, and that's another thing.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Life happens.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
I got things to do now, I can't just be
listening to the music. Move So all of these things happen.
But like the cadence of the way we receive music,
though I think it's just like it just feels very
like it's almost like a conveyor belt and you know,
I'm seeing a product come down. Oh I like this,
and by the time I'm looking at this, three mores

(44:44):
going underneath it, and I'm like, oh shit, like, let
me listen to it. It just feel like you're always
playing ketch up when it comes to your favorite music.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
But I mean, I'll even say, like, I have not
listened to the Gunner album yet, but I'm very not.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Because you don't like Gunner. No, you just had had
opportunity with that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
With that said, outside of I mean, we have chance
on on the podcast this this coming week, and I
had to listen to that album plus g I D.
And Bryce and Tiller, three artists that I really like, Gonna.
I like Gunna, don't get me wrong, but I've admitted
like I'm not gonna move my life around for a

(45:21):
Gunner album. It would strictly be for the podcast, which
to me also feels a little gross because like, why
should I be the one even reviewing, Like I feel
like that's fucked up to Gunna, like with them, not
that we have the biggest media platform, but you know
people do listen to us.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
I'm not the one for this.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Like I like a Gunner song every now and then,
I'm not gonna sit there and do a deep dive
on Gunn. And that's nothing negative about him, it's my taste.
I'm sure Gunn would look at some of the music
I listened to and be like, oh you that's whack.
That's just my brother, Like, that's just how life goes.
So you also have to take that into consideration. I'm

(46:00):
not never in my life. Even when I would be
completely free and have nothing to do, would I run
to go dissect a gun album. Yeah, So add that
into and I think a lot of people feel that
way with how much music is out there. I love
that streaming allows you to not have to sit with
the radio and the mainstream shit you're just forced to
listen to when I get in the car, I don't

(46:22):
have to listen to what the radio is programming. But
you're also going to not listen to other shit because
of that. Even if gun is the biggest shit moving,
I can't believe I'm not gonna sit there and listen
to with a Gunner album on the song like and
listen to lying I said, and listening to radio now,
I can't believe I actually used to listen to the radio.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Why I used to record the radio. It's the same
twelve songs from seven artists.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh and was it not? That?

Speaker 4 (46:48):
And over? But that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
And now that you realize that, now that I have
the ability to listen to whatever I want, whenever I want,
I can't really I cannot believe that radio was such
a big part of my life at one point because
when you listen to it now, like sometimes in commute
and I'll just listen to the radio.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
And then like.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Example, the other day, I went out soa I caught
an uber went downtown.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Right when I got out the car, a song was playing.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Two hours later I got back in the uber, that
same song was playing again, and I was like, bro,
this is so now I'm listening because now I'm gonnay, okay,
let me hear what's next. It almost got to a
point where I know which song they get ready to
play next. So I'm just like we used to sit
down in the crib like around the radio and listen. Yeah,
and it's like, bro, it's the same songs, the same artists.

(47:42):
And then I'm thinking, like, we know how programming works.
We know that they have play list at the radio
and things like that, But my thing is that there's
so many other songs and dope artists that you could
easily be like, we don't have to listen to this
song three times in the hour, like this is two
other artists you could have put in that spot and
played played dead new record.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I mean, I hear you, but in yes, this was
programming working. But like you know, I remember taking the
boombox to go play ball and just waiting for Country
Grammar to play, like just waiting for it. And yeah,
it would play once in an hour, but that was
like a moment at that time. That's why it resonated

(48:23):
more because we only had access to that. Had I
have the ability to just listen before the album came out,
how did I have the ability to just listen to
Country Grammar every five minutes? I probably would have moved
the fuck on the fact that we sat around the
radio waiting for that song, even if it played every
hour like it made it resonate more, like even like

(48:46):
when we would Tia one O six in part like
Tara waiting for DMX party up video like run Home,
so you could watch that again. If YouTube was really
a thing, it wouldn't have a moment with me and
my friends of like, yo, what nover you think? Yo?

Speaker 4 (49:03):
That part?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
And this year I caught another thing in the video
because you could only maybe see it once a day.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Can rewind it? This is TV? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
And even when we used to record the radio on
tapes because I'm really not that young, we would do
that as well, like all right, if we want to
listen to this again, let's do a push shape, like
literally record the radio. That was a thing that made it,
made it a moment for a record outside of it
just resonating sonically, that was like a moment with your friends,
like who knows the lyrics?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Like who?

Speaker 5 (49:33):
Like that was to the point, too much access kind
of killed that, like having the ability the ability to
you shouldn't have that much access to art at any time.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
It's a catch twenty two, Like I really see both
sides of how great that is because I love the
ability to do that. Especially when I got an iPod,
I thought it was the greatest thing ever. Yeah, and
it definitely changed, uh, my music discovery and my music
taste but it did definitely take away from the moments
you have with music, like the jid in offset record

(50:06):
which is fired Audace is for shit. Like if that
was in radio time, that would probably be a joint
that would live with me forever.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
But now I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I mean, I like it, yeah, but too much as Yeah,
I'm not waiting for that record to come on because
I can just play it.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 (51:30):
Young boy blowing up? Man young, Well, he been blew up,
but like he's.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Starting to saying, young boy was blowing up.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I know, I'm sorry, that's myself. That's why I corrected myself.
He's entering into my old ass stratosphere of old people.
Shit right, who's still playing eclips all over and over again,
like he's starting to.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Go viral over here. I'm like, damn.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Like MBA Young Boys shows.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Look lit like, oh no, it's it shows. It looks
like a real ROLD fan base.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
But I do like seeing this because a lot of people,
including myself, saying, all right, you stream crazier than everyone,
can you sell a ticket? Not only is he selling crazy,
everyone knows every fucking word. They're losing their mind. Kai
is crying like my bad. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Seeing NBA Young Boys show is definitely like confirmation that
I'm just old. I don't know one NBA young boy
like no song and like I'm watching the clips and
like I love the like seeing the entire like stadium arena,
everybody into it, everybody knowing. But it's kind of like
I'm looking at this, You're like, oh, this is a
whole part of the culture that I have no idea.

(52:34):
You like, did jay Z mean when he was like yeah,
Like I'm because like he getting this shit off, like
he flowing, and I'm just like and I'm looking at
you know, just the audience and everybody knows all the
lyrics and things like that, and I'm just like the
energy is what is a trick? I'm like, oh shit,
like this is a show. If you go out on
stage as an artist, it is your own. It's just

(52:55):
like there's nothing probably greater than looking out into a
fucking arena and everybody knows every word You're saying, Like
that's an artist's dream, you know what I'm saying. So
to see that and to see everybody soul like just
turned up and you know what I'm saying that somebody
from the it's like, okay, like this is this is
a show. This is these are like his fans like

(53:18):
people that have been waiting to see him live. They
couldn't wait for this moment. They couldn't wait for this
tour to come to the city. Like this is what
hip hop is about. Like rapper comes on stage, everybody
goes crazy. Nobody's trying to be you know, cool, everybody's
standing on their seats, shirts.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Off, rapping.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
The girls know all the lyrics, the guys know all
the lyrics. Like that, to me is just some incredible
shit to witness.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
But so going.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I don't like we should go as a social experiment.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
I don't know if that's the social experiment though. I
don't know if you want a socially experiment with an
NBA Young Boy live show.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
I am like, you'll get.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Chased out because they I feel like his fans know
that you ain't supposed to be here.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
This ain't for you.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Like we don't try to jump on now like we've been.
This's been a whole way. Obviously, I'm familiar with NBA
Young Boy. I don't know his music the way his
fans you know it, but I'm familiar with the fan
base that he has. I'm familiar with the following that
he has and the streaming numbers that he does, like
we all know that, but to now see it, like night.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
After night, he just did LA last night. Kyle was there,
Kay is crying. I'm just seeing this shit. I'm just like, Yo,
what is happening right now?

Speaker 3 (54:32):
I'm curious based off the sound of stuff, Like, for example,
when we saw Gucci versus Gezi, and we saw the
difference Gucci being a legend that he is, a lot
of his legendary records were never mixed. They was thrown
out like Jeez had deaf Jam behind him with the
biggest budget. His records just feel expensive. They sound expensive.

(54:53):
The Gucci shit didn't hit the same Next to that,
I've never seen an arena to her. Young Boy's volume,
like how much he puts out. Some of his most
classic records are like two track shit that I don't
even know how it could sound in an arena. Yet
when I see the footage, it looks like fucking J
Cole's performing. That's what I want to see, Like, how

(55:14):
are these records transferring in a arena? I've never seen
anyone do that.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Do you want? Young Boy?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
The type of music he makes and even some of
the classic core fan based records he has are so
low quality. I'm not talking about him, but they're low
quality records. You can tell you two tracked, it was like, Yo, upload.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
That to the internet.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Now, I would love, Like, I want to know how
that rings off in an arena, because even Gucci, Gucci
has classic shit, but even though just on a stream
next to Jez with an expensive sound, it's like, damn,
this is a classic GZ record, but it don't hit
because it's just don't sound the same next to this,
and then in the state in an arena, Yeah, like,
I gotta know how that sounds.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
All that shit from Young Boy sound looks like it's
going off.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
I love seeing people online saying, Yo, if he don't
perform this one, I'm gonna be upset. Like all of
that to me is just dope to see people so
engaged with an artist like that. And then for NBA
Young Boy to go out there and you know it
seems like he's you know, he's fulfilling the request. Yeah,
he's doing all the joints that you know his fans
want to hear. I just think this is some really

(56:17):
really dope.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Shit to watch. Josh.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I'm sending you to viral TikTok. That's like going on
right now with this girl that has like everybody like,
well damn, I want to go to the NBA show.
And that's the one that made me want to go
to the NBA show. I'm like, yo, I want to
feel this passionately about music like they screaming that shit
like when the first month that like Dreams of Nightmares
came out. I'm like, I want to feel that feeling again.
I want to feel that bitch I'm a boss feeling again.
The niggas in Paris feeling like I haven't had that feeling,

(56:40):
a wow.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
A connection to it because they live through the time
of Yes.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
That's what I'm saying. We can't go because it's like
we would just be trying to get on board now
and it's kind of like we're not going to understand it.
We need some time to really like, I mean, it sounds.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
Far looks that sounds let out of this too, all right,
positive before we get call Demond side, But come on, man,
how do you know that ship sounds fire to me?

Speaker 3 (57:17):
I can't like I want to go with her, Yeah,
Like I want to go with somebody that's gonna like
wrap those lyrics in my face, so I start to
feel like.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
This is this is See.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
That's why I know I'm saying close to your chest
because you know how I'm at shows. I'm just standing there,
literally just watching the artists perform. I'm not you've been
to meeting to me with with Drake shows, you like,
you're just standing there and I know all these records.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
I don't know all of these records.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
I'm really gonna be listening, standing there watching Young Boy perform,
and I can't go with somebody that knows, and they
hyped and they trying to get me out, like I
don't even.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Know what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Yeah, so it's fake if I go because I don't
even know these these songs like that. So some of them,
I'm like, I might know a couple of the balls,
like okay, yeah, I remember that ball right there. But
these people are, like you said, Rory, they grew up
with this shit, they lived with this music. They couldn't
wait for Young Boy to come to their city, like
they've been waiting for this moment for years. So now
that is here, I just think it's dope to see

(58:14):
it and shout out the young boy man because you know,
being able to develop a fan base like this in
all these years of curating this this, this sound for
your for your audience, and now being able to go
to these cities and set out these arenas is it's
some dope shit.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
So saluting be a young boy man.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I'm gonna check it out. I feel like I've always
judged him by the way he looked.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Mm hmm, like I mean, he looked like every other Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I know.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
That's why I don't listen to him if I if
I don't listen if I met you, he looked like
who else?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
A bunch of artists you listen to it's the same,
look who who the matter?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
You listen to?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Ratchett shit, not men that I listen to women, ratiss shit.
I don't listen to men ration shit. I don't know
none of this ship now these people. If I will
meet you in a dark alley and you look like
I should be afraid of you, like I should cross
the street, I don't really check your music out. I
don't know, and I shouldn't do that. I should be better,
which is why I'm going to check out some of
NBA's music. I don't be listening to these these rappers

(59:07):
with the be the tattoos and shit on they face
like that. I don't listen to that.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
You listen to Wayne?

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I was just about okay, Wayne the original, the creator, right,
But these new ones.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Know, Hey, y'all don't either.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Why am I looking at me like I'm crazy?

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Oh no, I've tried.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
You aware that he has been a superstar in his
own right with his fan base for a long time.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
I've seen the numbers. I've tried.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
I've done the jay Z headbop like pretending like I
think this is all right, but I'm never gonna listen
to again. But I need somebody like that girl to
sell it to me with the green hair. What's what's
what's worse with the concert going with somebody that's way
too cool, like Maul bringing up the Drake Show when
he was there, or for example, Deannie Scotti Beam love

(59:51):
you to death. Every Cold Show I go to with her,
she's wrapping every fucking word in my face the entire.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
I was insane at the Cold Show. I was infer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Because I feed off. It makes it feel a little
bit better. Like sometimes I'll wrap back with her.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
I get mad if I'm in the car when somebody's
rapping the whole song car that's too much, so now
loud enough for you to show. If we have to
show and you're keep you keep jumping in my ear
and my face trying to get balls, it's it's like, yo,
shut the fund that is right here in front of us,
Like let them do that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
You shut you shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
That was me at Cole I was talking, but you
wrapped along at a concert before. No, I'm not saying
streaming in someone's face, but.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
But I'm not grabbing you trying to like get you like,
but to that type of show, that's what you gotta
do at this show. You gotta punch somebody in their face. Yeah,
like you got you gotta punch somebody in their face
for an interest. It's like a jello Yeah, this is
this is That's just what this is. But it's it's
it's dope to see it, man, it's definitely dope to
see it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
And I know he did l a last night. I
think I'm not sure what Elch is going, but yo,
I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I got
it down a little more.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Be a young boy music and learns and learn the
music more so I can before I can go to
a live show, I can't just go out there not knowing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
I got to know the music. I have to know me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
He coming to Newark on September twenty ninth, Almos's birthday.
We're not your actual birthday, but your birthday weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Yeah. Nah, No, I would have considered the Garden or Barclays.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Oh, Barclays seven.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Closer to the Prudential Center. We have the seventh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Yeah, the Yo, the Jersey crowd, the Jersey young boy crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
I is getting be the most terrifying year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Yeah, the New York show compared to the Garden show,
which by the way, is twenty minutes away from each other.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
It's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Two different worlds. Oh, I'm cool, two different worlds. I'm
going to the Morning in Brooklyn. I promise you, I'm
not going to the one in Newark.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
You bug the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
It was not like in Newark. I'm cool.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
If you're going to experience it, maybe the Newark one
is the one. Yeah, but I gotta get the real film.
But they gonna shoot outside that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Yeah, Newark. I feel like I got to wear a
shisty if I go though, I got Noah, but then
you're gonna beat like everybody else. Gotta stand out, Nah, nah,
you gotta you gotta blend. I have to blend in.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
Where's wearing a suit at the NBA Young Boys Show?
They will beat the shit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Out in the omicad.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
First of all, they're gonna think I'm a nark and
is police a suit at the NBA Young Boys Show?

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Though, Now you can't dress like we're going to the
g Z Orchestra show.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
No, absolutely, that's fine. No, it's not. I promise you
it was not. Nah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I feel like your NBA Young Boy Show should change
the rules for arenas. I should be able to walk
in with no shirt. The people in there with no
shirts on, well, they walked in with a shirt on,
they took it off after. Oh I'm saying I should
be able to show up with no shirt at all.
I mean, you know, as young boy ever like once
a little high.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Oh, I thought that was the whole aesthetic.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
It's your shirtless no hear he wearing some shit on stage.
I mean, I'm sure at some point you might take
a shirt off and really get into the you know,
the night. But it's just dope.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
To see it. Man, all all the clips I'm saying
is the energy is I haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
I'm not gonna lie. That type of energy is crazy
for the entire arena to be You know how hard
is to sell tickets period right now, let alone in arena.
But you know that type of clip. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
And then, like I said, his fan base is very
They've been waiting for this ship. They've been way couldn't
wait for this tour.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
And you know they're dedicated fans because then, I'm not
going to get into Everyone makes mistakes, but I feel
like every other month I'm seeing some wild shit the
young boy is doing like those are.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
He could do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
The fact how he's moved on certain things, or how
the Internet has painted him and you can still sell
out arenas this way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Yeah, they love your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Music, Philly, I'd rather die.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Yeah, Philly would be kind of nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
He signed a Motown.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Well, I mean it merged. They all merged.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
It's musical chairs mm hm, Like he didn't he didn't
sign to the same motown.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
No ship. Oh he was in Oakland. That wasn't even La,
that was Oakland. Last what dates is that?

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
That's No, He's in Oakland tonight, well tomorrow, Okay, he
was in LA last night though, Okay, on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
The low, I think the Phoenix show might be the
scariest because I know the Mexicans love Young Boy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Mm hmm, that might be. It would rivele between Nork
and Phoenix of the scariest shows on the store.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Oh no, Lewis and Chicago might wait hold Saint Louis
for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Baltimore, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I'm not going to no NBA Young Boys show in Baltimore.
I'm cool, I'm cool.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Oh No, that's Chicago. One's scary because he had B
for Chicago like he had BEE for Dirky. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
So yeah man, Hopefully you know, I mean hopefully nothing happens.
We don't want to get no news about anything negative
or crazy happening because seeing this type of energy is
just dope to see people go out and support their artists.
But we know the history of him in serch Chicago artists.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
So yeah, I don't know nobody from that side, from
what side and be a young boys side?

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I told you when I went to bat and Rouge
a couple of months ago and she told me this
young boyshood I said, could we just not be hear them?
We was drivers, sayah, where you're from? I was like, well,
let's then let's take a left and the left and
get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
You scared? Yeah, you thought I was say, no, nigga actually.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Walk around with the assault rifles just out like they
ain't even illegal.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Yeah, years and I could. I want to learn.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
I want to go now now the prime. I want
to go now music.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
It's fake if I go now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
I don't know the music enough.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
But that's okay, do you actually people A lot of
people tend to go to shows to learn new music.
You don't got to go to the show and know
every song.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
You got to know the music.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
That's like going to the game and not knowing who playing.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
You discover, You discover songs because a lot of songs
you might put on like in your headphone to be
like turn this ship off, right. But you go to
the show and you see Shorty with degree here doing
all I just like, wait, hold on, what's this song?
Let me That's why you're supposed to go check out
new shows, local artists, all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
They're sitting at the Young Boys show in the mash pit,
trying to hold your phone up for Shazam. Yeah, they're
gonna knock you out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Who's no.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
I would beat in the figure out this. I would
be in the skybox. One put me in a suite.
Let me just chill up here, look down at you know,
the real fan. I just want to hear the music
and see the performance, like, let me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
I can't beat in that. I need to touch the face. Nah,
I can't be in that. What's the most dangerous show
You've ever been to? The most dangerous show I've ever
been to, even if it turned out that way and
you didn't anticipate it, the most dangerous show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I've never been to a dangerous show.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
I feel like it may have been somebody at Irvin Plaza.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
But not that oh the Nipsey Ussle one Walter Crips
in the building.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
But I felt safe. This was in New York, Irvin Plaza, Okay, Yeah,
I feel like it was. I can't remember who it was,
though I felt safe. Though. I feel like it was
Irvin Plaza, Okay, might have been I was in there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
I remember having a feeling like, Yeah, the energy in
heir is a little it's a little tense, but never
in like never at the Garden.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
I never been to that show with the Garden where.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
I felt that well, I mean, you did say you
were in the hallway when R. Kelly walked down and
violence ensued.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
You say, I was kind of dangerous. There was a
gun there, said he didn't want nobody looking at him
in his eyes, and then somebody allegedly put pepper spray
in his eyes. Yeah, but that wasn't dangerous. That was
R and B like, that wasn't like dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
I mean, speaking of Newark and Jersey in general, Hot
ninety seven once did remember when they used to do
those like Next Up or Whose Next? Shows, which I
appreciate they was trying to get like local talent, and
they did one that was just specific to Jersey with
a bunch of Jersey acts. I want to say Trench
hosted it as well. That was the most violent show

(01:08:06):
I think I've ever been that. Like, they rivaled what
when Saigon Prodigy and all the Queensbridge fought at Sobs
with that legendary footage.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
There was so much tension in that small, small fucking venue.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, that was probably the one time be in a
show where I'm like, I don't know if this is
worth worth staying here, Like yeah, I'll be a bystander
somehow in this entire show, I.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
Can't remember who was at Irvin Plaza, like who was
It may have been Meeking somebody else. And I was like, yeah,
this energy and here it was just a little you know,
you know that energy which was like the faces ain't friendly,
nobody smiling. It's not a lot of women you know
those shows of course, you know. It was just like

(01:08:51):
all right, man, I'm about to well, let me stay
close to the exit because it might go down there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
But I've told you guys the story of when I
was DJing at the New Yerekend with my Man and
we got into it and I thought I was gonna
die with the guys from Connecticut. So there was another
time I was DJing from Man's that was opening up
for I won't say his name. He was signed to
the Lock, not the Locks, to d Block at the time,
and we were opening up for him based off his

(01:09:15):
manager's relationship with d Block. But my Man's was on
some singing and rapping shit. It wasn't that type of crowd.
This is like when you really got to cut your
teeth and earn your keep, Like what it's like to
feel like you're dying on stage of just going records
record somebody that was affiliated with that artist twice my size.

(01:09:39):
In the middle of my man performing and we had
like an intricate DJ set, I was trying to mix
certain stuff, like we had a set we rehearsed, it's
all this entire thing for fucker over me hits the
fader and puts it to the side and said, it's
time fiata lee.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
In the middle of the performance.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Yeah, but I had I had well, I was on vinyl,
so I had two things playing, so it didn't affect.
Like my man kept rapping, And it was the first
time in my life where I was like, I'm about
to say something that I know I'm gonna die, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Have no other option. Got to be a man, I
had no other option.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
I know this is not going to end well, I said,
ain't no fucking way. We got three more fucking songs, get.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Away from me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Let's just say we were handled outside of the building.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
But my man finished the set.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
No handled finished the set, though finished the set handled.
We get beat up outside. But we finished the set though,
That's all that matters.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
And my man, who I love, did what every opening
act does because the Locks are supposed to be special guests.
With this guy as well. It was like on the flyer.
So when you're just drowning in a set and it's
dead choir and saying.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Like that, Yo, what y'all get the fuck off the stage? Yo,
who's ready to see the Locks? Whole crowded run he said.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
For the last song, he went, yeah, not cut it,
let's get We was in there because this was nine
like when we were on the Blog era type of rap,
and that crowd was not trying to hear none of
that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
He was really singing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
He was like had an R and B part. It
was a bunch of dudes and Champion hoodies waiting to
see if Style was going to show up. It was.
It was one of the crazy experiences. But no, we
were physically handled as that old place.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
No, no, no, this was it was. It was in
the city.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
I want to ask you a question, actually, because I
value your opinion. I value your opinion some things. So
I was reading my devotional today and the message was
about forgiveness right, being able to forgive people that have
hurt you because as God has forgiven us for our sins,
and I've sent many of times.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
How do you feel about being able to forgive somebody
even if you don't want them in your life anymore?
Somebody had did some fucked up shit to you and
you don't want them in your life anymore, are you
still able to forgive them?

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
I think it depends on where you're at mentally emotionally.
If you're at that, if you're that mature, yeah, I've
done it. I forgive people that have done some crazy
shit to me that most people probably wouldn't forgive, but
me not forgiving them does what you know what I'm saying.
I think that energy is just on you. But when

(01:12:25):
you forgive, you like listen, it's all good and you
kind of just move forward. I think I think that's
a little easier sometimes because it's not on you. It's
not like a constant thought or you know, something that
you're constantly thinking of. It is like I'm over that.
I've grown since that, I've matured since that. But you
have to be at that point though, you have to

(01:12:46):
be at that point in your life where you just
like because when I was younger, like you know what,
I battled with that a lot, with finding out who
killed my brother. And I think about that a lot,
like if I was to find out now out, what
will my reaction be, what I want revenge or would
I just be like, you know, kind of like forgive,

(01:13:08):
move forward, because that's what the Koran says, right, forgive,
And you know what I'm saying, you move. But it's
like it depends on what day you ask me that
just being honest, you know what I'm saying. Some days,
I'm like, fuck no, nigga, gladly go sit down in
prison to revenge my brother's death. You know what I'm saying.
But then in some days where I'm like, I can't

(01:13:28):
put my mom's do that, I can't put my nieces
and nephews do that. I can't put my brothers and
sisters do that, like them having to come visit me
in prison and all, Like you know what I'm saying,
So you battle, and that's like, you know, that's like
the biggest thing they try to forgive somebody for us
is taking the life of one of your loved ones.
But it's like you have to get to that point
where it's like, nah, I forgive and I move forward
with my life. Family is blessed, family is healthy. You

(01:13:51):
look at those things and you kind of compare it
to what would be the point of me not forgiving
this person?

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Like what is that? What does that do?

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Again, depends on which that you ask. Some days I'm strong.
It's some days I'm weak as a motherfucker. If you
ask me the weekday wear that nigga at, I'm ready
to go. After we did three episodes, I'm ready to
I'm ready. I'm ready to raise Hell. I'm ready to
raise Hell. I'm ready to raise Hell like kill everybody,

(01:14:19):
you know what I'm saying. But then it's some days
where you know, I get videos of my nephew playing
golf and I'm just like, damn, my nephew like golf.
That's fire like, And I want to see him grow
and see him become a man and do things like.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Do I want to do that?

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
From a prison, you get me like you start thinking
about the things that you won't be here for and
the things that you're missed. Me talking to my homeboys
that's locked up and hearing how they talk about not
being around for their kids and not being around for
their family, Like you weigh a lot of those things,
and forgiveness sometimes is the best, is the best.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Choice, and just to move on even if you never
get an apology.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
Even if you never get in them, because sometimes you
don't need it. There's plenty of things that I moved
on from that I don't want an apology from.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
I don't care to get an apology from.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
Like it's like for what, like I don't I don't
even this person to me is not even I don't
care to have an apology for you, Like it's just
just stay out my way though, you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
I'm saying, Like that, we ain't gonna be hanging out
kicking it. It ain't none of that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
I ain't that strong, you know what I'm saying. But
it's just like you know, I'm not tripping either though,
Like I'm not bent out of shape. I'm not looking
for no apology. I'm not looking for life goes on
man as tough as it's, as tough as that is,
sometimes to just accept life does go on, you know
what I'm saying, And you have to go with life
like all.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
It is what it is never forget. You don't forget
what you've been through. You don't forget what you went through.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
You don't forget those feelings and those emotions, but you
learn from them, you grow from them, and you you know,
you kind of say.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
All right, well, I have to move with life. Life,
life goes on to me. I mean, I'm just speaking
for myself.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
I can't speak to everybody, but I think it's easier
sometimes it just kind of just forgive and move forward.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I agree. My My biggest thing is I have a
hard time when not getting the apology I need because
now you're giving too much.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
Power, too much, You're giving them too much. You know
what I'm saying, Like you don't what you need, what
you need, what you need that person, because that's ego.
A lot of that is ego that you're talking about,
like what.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
You need that person?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Because I hate when a motherfucker like when I know
I'm right, like I know I'm right, like in this scenario,
I know I didn't do anything wrong. I know I'm right,
and you just won't give that to me. And I
know that that is ego, right, I know that that's
ego and that I need to let that go. But
it's like, nah, you need to fucking apologize. But you know,
because you're not even you're not even sorry. You ain't

(01:16:41):
even gonna even going to pretend to be sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Nah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
But you know what it is, though, demarags like when
you know you right, the truth speaks for you. You
ain't got to say a motherfucking thing. Sometimes you just
watch the truth speak and you just sit there just
looking at everybody, like I tried to tell you all
niggas this however long ago, so something you don't you
don't need no apology from nobody for what. Nah, you

(01:17:05):
don't you don't need. That's we tell ourselves that that's
ego talking to us. And now he gotta say sorry,
she got Nah, she fucked that. She gotta apologize for
that shit for what she know she know or he know,
he know the truth, he know the real like that
she's gonna eat them up every You know, sometimes when
you just remove yourself from people, like your presence and

(01:17:26):
your energy, that's all you don't need. No, I don't
need no apology from nobody. You ain't got to say,
I'm sorry, I was fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
It was my foot.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
I don't need that because you ain't stop nothing. It's
been lit since that, like very shit been you know
what I mean. So you you look at that, all
that other shit is just your ego talking to you,
like you don't need that shit. Man, we put too
much on our ear. But again, I know because I've
been in those situations too where I'm like, I didn't
even need.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
That, Like that was stupid, but that was your ego.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
But as you get a little older, you start understanding
like it's gonna like the day going in and hopefully
you see the next day and that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Just move forward. You don't need people to tell you
that they fucked up, y'all was wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
They know that already and if they get to a
place where they are ready to say that and admit
that and then cool.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
But you don't need that though, Like, so we gotta
stop saying I need not. They gotta sick for what?

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
How do you get better at not operating out of
your ego as as an adult? I've been struggling more
with that with my relationship, Like I peep it now
right because I peep it because I'm in a healthier relationship.
When I was a very bad space in a different relationship,
it was okay for the eagle to fly because we
was just doing a whole bunch of toxic shit anyway.
But now that I'm trying to be in a healthy relationship,

(01:18:43):
I see my ego creeping up. I'm like, oh, that
was that was ego. That wasn't necessary, or that wasn't
or so I'm trying to get better at recognizing it
and not speaking from it. But it's like in the
back of my mind, I'm like, if something goes wrong
and I didn't flex my ego, I'm gonna regret it.
Trying to get out of that mind state.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
But the fact that you're trying to get out of
it is great. That means because you recognize it, like, yo,
that's unnecessary, so that right there is enough. Eventually you'll
just see that you're just doing it, like you just
completely remove yourself from having that ego where it's just
like because that again, it's everybody got their shit, everybody
got their faults, everybody. Nobody's perfect life is tough for everybody.

(01:19:24):
Some people's lives are tougher than yours. So when you
just look at shit like that, like from that perspective,
like let me remove myself and my emotions from this
and let me just assess the situation, what happened, what's
going on. Once you do that, or you realize first,
a lot of times the energy you be trying to
put into shit ain't even worth it. The situation ain't
that serious, the moment ain't that serious. It's just like,

(01:19:46):
remove that ego. Cool, as long as nobody put their
hands on you. Nobody ain't physically because.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
I need my lock back. You hit me, nigga, I'm
hitting back. That's what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
But if it's just actions and some somebody said, I
don't care about that man, that shit is ego talking
to you. And you get to a point in life
where you just like, no matter what happens, I'm gonna
do what I want to do. I'm gonna enjoy myself,
Like whether people are alone for the ride or not,
we're gonna have fun. Ego will stop you from experiencing

(01:20:14):
and really enjoying a lot of shit because you so
caught up in your own thoughts, in your own mind
of how you feel like it's supposed to go, and
now you feel like it's no, it's not. Sometimes it's
just it's not what you you overthinking a lot of shit.
You're overanalyzing a lot of that shit. A lot of
times we make up situations that's not even a real thing,
Like that's not even I hear people like, yo, I

(01:20:36):
don't fuck with that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
What happened? And the niggas tell you what happened?

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
You be like, that's what happened, Like that's what all
of this y'all back and forth for that, like it
means it's like, yo, y'all just it's ego talking.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Yeah, and that's just But that's again, that's human nature.
We all have it. We all have been through it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
But then you get to a point where you understand
how to control it. You understand when and where to
use your e because ego is good. It's good to
have an ego, but you got to understand whinning with
to use it though, and how to use it. Like
sometimes you need ego for competitive things and things like that,
like to kind of talk to yourself and get yourself going.
But like pushing it on situations that's not even like
serious or worth it. That's that's just immaturity.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
That's stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Damn. That's some real ass wisdom. Coming from the birthday boy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
I mean, I'm just you know, I'm just try just
trying to tell you, know, mean how it is. Man,
when you live long enough, you start looking at shit
like that was stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
I should have never said that. I should have never
did that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
And I mean, I live, I'm in front of a
mic and on camera, like, you know, how much should
I say any things years ago and down here, and
I'm like, damn, I don't even I'm not even that
personal more, but it's real and the moment is how
I felt. If I'm old and more mature now, of
course I don't feel those ways and think like that.
I would hope that I've grown and matured since ten
years ago, you know what I'm saying, Like shit, I

(01:21:52):
said ten to eleven years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
No, I don't feel the way about a lot of
those things anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
But in the moment, yeah, I may have felt like that,
but that's where I was at in my life from
that moment, and that's just you got to accept that
from anybody like that's just who they are. But again,
when you start analyzing ship, just remove your ego from
it a lot of times and just kind of look
at the whole situation and you'll land on the right side.
Once your ego is going, it's easier to kind of

(01:22:17):
kind of hit the mark at least that's what I think.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
You know, I'm just giving you what I think.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
So in relationships, just remove your ego a little bit.
Why he ain't called me, why he ain't mine is born?

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Might be melting.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
This nigga might be going through a fucking depressed state.
He ain't verbalize it, he ain't talked about it. It'd
be a lot of that too. You'll be like, yo,
why he ain't why he is depressed or she's depressed?
As that's what I'm saying. It ain't got nothing to
do with.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
My problem is that I need everything to be like.
I can be very tip for tat, I can be
very like, are you doing this? I gotta double it.
That's like I gotta start. I know, I know, I know,
I'm aware, and I try to I try to get
better at it. But it's like you wain't too long
to text me, not in my current relationship, but I
would be all you ways going to text me back?
I'm away.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
I'm a double.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
I'm a double. The time you take twenty two hours
to text me back.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
I'm gonna take the three tex stem from though where
you think that's stemma from.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
If I was to be real honest with myself, like real,
real deep, what I think a therapist would say is
that there's an insecurity in making sure nobody plays with me.
I don't I don't ever want I don't want anybody
to play with me. I never want to look stupid.
And if I was to dig real world deep into that,
it's probably because of shit that I endured in childhood

(01:23:32):
where I was embarrassed a lot as a kid, just
because of like family shit or things like that. And
it's just like I never want to be embarrassed again.
I take embarrassment really, really hard. So I think that
it's it's that it's like I'm never going to give
you the chance to say that you had like one
up on me, Like I don't like that feeling. I
don't like that feeling of like not being in control

(01:23:55):
or somebody knowing something that I don't know, Like I'm
very nosy. That's why I used to have that phone problem,
not even because I would feel like I always feel
like somebody was cheating. It was just like I never
I used to go through my friend's phones when I
was in middle school. In high school, I would go
and search my name like because it was like or
like in college, because I would feel like, Yo, are
you talking about me behind my back? Like is there
something that you know that I don't know? Is there
something you're saying about me that I don't know? I

(01:24:16):
don't like that feeling, and I'm trying to let go
of that because at one point I can see, oh,
this has the potential to rule my relationship with somebody
that I love and I care about, because I don't
trust that what they what they say they feel about me,
they actually feel about me. And that has more to
do with i'm sure my own self worth or shit
that I've gone through than anything that they've shown me.

(01:24:38):
So I'm aware of that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
So what we all have in insecurity securities ego, Yeah,
human nature, human nature.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
But I'm getting better.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
Getting old and mature in and realizing your flaws and
making those, you know, your strengths and kind of working
on that. That's that's it, It'll happened. But I'm glad
that you understand that that's exactly what that is. In security,
ego and shit like that, because that's all it is
once you remove that, because either way, if you do
searching man's phone or he's cheating them, what then what then?

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
What then?

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
So it's just like, either way it goes, your heart
gonna be broken.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Either way, that's what you're gonna be. All right, Hello,
you're gonna move on. Life goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
If that nigga don't work, get another one. If that
one don't work, get another one. If you don't see me,
come on this podcast and be madly heartbroken and then
come in what A month later, it was like, oh
my god, I'm the happiest I've ever been in my time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
It's like clockwork.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
As the seasons changed, SODA's baby d. As the seasons changed,
Soda this baby D.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
I get it. It's all good. But you know, remove
that ego, in securities, and you know we're.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Gonna be good. We're gonna be good.

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