Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Victor Cruz

On this episode of "Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball", the guys are joined by Super Bowl Champion and New York Giants legend, Victor Cruz! Rory and Mal ask Victor about his first time meeting Jay-Z, the first time he did the salsa after scoring a touchdown, and what it was like playing with Eli Manning

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. All right, Rory.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Today we are joined by another friend family. I've seen
this gentleman out in the city a few times and
definitely spoke about sitting down and chopping up soon.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
So today's the day.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
We are joined by Patterson, New Jersey legend super Bowl champion.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
One of the coolest guys that I know, and it's
always great respect and great energy whenever we bump into
each other. So I'm happy he's here to join us.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Today we are with the legendary Victor Cruz.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
What's good. I was waiting for the clap. I didn't
know if the clap was gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
You left out, Kiff Model.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, how you feeling, man, I'm good seeing you.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Man. You still look like you're ready to go play
right now? You ready?

Speaker 1 (00:57):
So I don't have to get ready. You have to
get away.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, But looking back, do you do you look at
the game like now and feel like physically like because
I know how it is when you play and you're like,
I can still get out there, but like, do you
look at it like there's no way out?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Ever? I know I'm toast, that's dead, that's my body
is not in shape to go across that middle, and
I still think about it now to this day, where
I'd be like, yo, like I was a little nuts,
Like I was a little half crazy to go out
there knowing what I was about to put my body
through week in and week out, and I was out
there willingly doing it. But it was because of like

(01:34):
the euphoria of succeeding right and like making those touchdowns
and having that moment, like those are the moments that
I kept striving for. And obviously getting paid and taking
care of the family absolutely helps.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
To go across the middle. Yeah, I was a lot
that everyone eats exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
But how's how's life post playing football? How how has
an adjustment been? Feed Life's been pretty good, evening analyst work.
I've been doing some analysts work. I've been doing a
lot of entrepreneurial work. I ain't gonna lie though.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
When I first retired, it was tough because it's, like,
you know, football is my identity. I didn't know, you know,
I had done a lot of things while I was
playing to kind of prepare myself. I did some TV things.
I hosted a couple of things on MTV, and like
I was just doing things in that space so I
could prepare myself for what comes after. But that was
all just while I was playing. I was fun until

(02:27):
this shit actually happens and you're like, oh, the curtains clothes. Like,
I got to figure something out. So I did the
analyst work. But I always knew that I wanted to
do more things. I always wanted to host things, host
different opportunities. I still work with the Giants a bunch.
I got my own show on there called Players Lounge,
where I'll just chop it up with the players about
things outside the game, entrepreneurial things. I'm bringing a crystals

(02:47):
chicken to Patterson, New Jersey for the first time, so like,
I'm doing different things. So it's been it's been really
been traveling the world just doing different things. I picked
up golf, which is like the retiring thing to do, and.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Shit, humbling sport, Yeah, extreme, very humbling because you, as
as one of the football players, y'all are probably the
apex of athletes. So for somebody that played at the
level you played at transitioning into golf, how much is
that humble you? When you feel like I'm cruise, I'm shake,
I can do anything.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's the most I don't give a fuck who you are.
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
They'll take them to the linebacker.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I prefer I'm more comfortable. But I got a helmet
all like, if something happens, I could kind of hide there.
Nah golf, you hit a bad shot or you shank
wing into and I and I wanted to put myself
in the uncomfortable positions first, so I played in programs
out the gate first. While playing. I'm in year four now,
so I'm a little bit better, a lot better than

(03:42):
I was than that actually, But year one I wanted
to get that bug out because I knew I was
going to be out. I knew I wanted to, you know,
show my personality on the golf course so that I
could drive other types of business. And that first year
playing in front of people, topping the golf ball, shame,
get one to the right.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Telling people the duck. It's different, it's.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Mumbling, but the But what I love about the sport
is that everyone was there, even the pros, even the
Roy McElroy's, and all of those guys were you once, okay,
and so there's never like you know, basketball, you dribble
off you like a you stink like get over there.
Don't play with us. When you shank one and golf
people come up to you, it was like, yo, here's
how you do it. You have your hands here kind

(04:25):
of figure. It's a more coachable sport because they're looking
at you, like I was there once, and I would
want someone to tell me, you know what I'm about
to tell you because I was once.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Year. Was that always the plan in retirement picking up
golf sport?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yep, absolutely not. I think golf came later on. I
had a homeboy who was like, yo, you need to golf,
Like even while I was playing for years, he was like,
you need to do this. You need to pick it up,
I promise you. And I was just like that shit's corny.
I ain't playing that. I'm not getting up at five am,
six am to go to somebody's golf course because I
didn't understand it. And then once I retire, and then

(04:59):
my daughter also play. So she picked it up when
she was six, and at first it was just some
ship she did with the nanny that I was just like,
just go whatever makes her tired at eight o'clock, So
after school she would go, and then she kept going,
and she kept going and now she's nine, and we
got her like a real coach. And then it was
around like nine where I was like, let me go

(05:20):
see where my money's going. And she went. I went
to a practice. We got there a little early. She's
like that I want to warm up a little bit.
I was like, all right, bet. She grabbed her putter,
took three golf balls, dropped them on the pudding green,
took her time, putted three and it was like quiet.
And my daughter is like very high energy, always talking,
super smart, but always got a and she was quiet.
I was like, oh, this is just work that gets

(05:42):
you to shut the fuck.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Up and just lock that. Let's do that.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm doing this with you. And then COVID hit. So
right when COVID hit, I got in because golf was
pretty much the only thing you could do that was like,
you know, outdoors and you're not You're not close to
anybody really. So I picked it up, started taking lessons
and then was off to the races.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
That would be great for kids too, just to learn patients,
pay attention to.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Details, learn a lot about yourself.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Man.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean I you know, basketball baseball was fun
as a kid, but if I had golf. I'd probably
be a different person mentally if I started that way.
I think that's probably another new Jersey legend. Jay Al
Smith is he's taking off big time with golf. Like
I'll watch his documentary and it was just dope to
see the change and personality demeanor with Jr. Do you

(06:26):
feel that you've changed as post football just your energy,
your frequency, your personality and transition into playing golf.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Can you feel the difference.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
One hundred percent? I think I channel things with a
much more resolve and much more calmness now that I
played the game of golf. Like there's a way they
say when you play golf, you know, it tells a
lot about your character, who you are, how you play
the game. Right If I'm playing with somebody and you
see him and you know he thinks he's not being seen,
but you see him like pick the ball up and like,

(06:55):
you know that guy is not a good dude, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
It reflects your.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
You're like yo, what you're lying right like to like,
So it just tells a lot about who you are
and your demeanor. And I think golf has definitely taught
me a ton of a ton of patients, especially when
I play with my daughter, because I have to. I
have to show her as well as an example of
being like I can't curse out the golf ball when
I hit it. I have to just take whatever the

(07:25):
game is given me and try to teach her that
as well. And I've seen her grow within the game
because as she's starting to get more and more competitive,
and especially around like ten years old eleven, when she
was starting to get better but still hitting some bad shots,
still trying to figure it out, and I would see
her get really angry, and I was like, Yo, it's fine,
get in the car, let's talk about it. And then
we developed like this eight step rule, So you hit

(07:45):
a bad shot, you got eight steps to kind of
get mad, talk about it, flush it, and then now
you got to worry about the next shot because the
next shot is still the next shot. If you're angry
the whole time you're walking from that bad shot to
the next shot, the next shot is going to be
bad too, So you got to flush it, reap, process it,
and get to that next shot. So it's definitely changed
my perception and changed my emotions around just life in general.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Who was some of your growing up in Jersey. Who
was some of your artists that you listened to before,
you know, working out and playing football?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh? Man, it was so many. I mean obviously the
jay Z's of the world, the Nazas of the world.
We had, Naughty by Nature was a big one. We
had a local group called FOD Phases of Death that
we used to rock crazy. Okay, we used to listen
to them a bunch, But who else? I mean, my
Pops was always on some Lost Boys. Mister Cheeks was heavy,

(08:37):
so we listened to a little bit of everything. Man,
it was. It was a full array of music at
the crib.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
As an older guy, now, do you has your music
taste changed at all? I was just talking another day
about I can't listen to rap early in the morning.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
I just can't do it. I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
When I hear just rap, it's eight am, I'm like,
how are people listening to loud rap music?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
And I laugh because I'm like, at one point.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
When I used to go to school, that's all I
had in my head at seven am, seven thirty was rap.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
But now being old, it's like I need twelve thirty
one o'clock.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
We can get it. We can transition into I have
a twelve o'clock real mall. You know what I'm saying.
I can't listen to none of that heavy rap, raw
rod shit, okay at twelve o'clock.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I need to have my coffee. Yeah, I need to
have my little breakfast. Yeah, cinnamon roses. Yeah, yeah, I
keep it calm. I got I'm on some penmy heavy okay,
just a nice little Pimmy playlist. Just just let it
rock out, just the whole. This is Pimmy joint on Spotify.
Let it run. Puts me in a nice calm move,
gets me ready for the day. And then once I

(09:39):
get in the whip and I'm ready to go start
my dad. Then I turn on He's a Temple a
little Then I changed the temple. I'm ready to turn
up a little bit. Yeah you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
That Was that the same approach while you were playing?

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Though?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Or was it straight aggressive from No?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
It was definite. So I always been a like I
never loved the crazy aggressive rap like there was moments,
of course, but when I was getting ready, it was
like it was like a Rick Ross, like I needed
that nice that energetic, but the words mean something like
the content was the lyrics is what's gonna get me
going for today, not the energy and the beat and

(10:15):
like so much energy behind it. It was more like,
you know, hearing Ross talk about the journey here and
whole talk about the journey, Hearing certain Drake records talk
about the journey, like those things really got me focused
and level had it for the day, as opposed to
hearing something you know that was just about the beat
and the base and loud and shit that didn't really
get me going. I always talk about we laugh and

(10:37):
talk about it. I never enjoyed partying with football players.
I don't know what it is with y'all in the clubs.
I call it the helmet syndrome.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
You know, people don't recognize y'all public as much if
you're not like you were a star. People knew who
you were as soon as you went outside. But a
lot of guys in the league, it could be some
of the best players that they position, but people don't
know them by face because this helmet on. So when
they're in the club, it's like they it's the need
to be like, first of all, I'm stronger than everybody
in here got to show that with me off. Security

(11:10):
can't do nothing with me, I bitch pressed four twenty,
Like there's nothing anybody can do.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
What is it with football players?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
And it's just aggressive nature when it's just time to
just chill and talk to the lady.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Well, I think it's exactly that. I think it's exact.
I think it's exactly that. I think it's it's a
constant because think about it, right, think about their lives especially.
I think it was more and so, I mean there's
some receivers, but it's more so than linemen than linebackers.
You recognize it too, Yeah, absolutely, because receivers we gotta
swave to chilling. We understand that if we come in

(11:44):
and we hold ourselves a certain way, we're going to
get the attention from the lady. We're going to get
the attention that we're looking for. Regard.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
You can hit the salsa in the section easy, it's
right and it's locked.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I remember certain clubs in New York they playing it
on the walking over the cruises. I got this feels racist,
but I got intro music every time. I was like,
your greenhouse, at least give him a little Swab and Mint.
But like these linebackers and these other linemen, like we

(12:17):
definitely don't know y'all. Like they definitely don't know y'all.
Especially if you play for the Carolina Panthers and you
in New York, they know you. So it's that constant
pressure of even as a football player, I need them
to know me. I need to make a name for
myself here boom, I made a name for myself. Now
when I go out, I want people to know who
I am. So when I go out, it's that same

(12:37):
level of aggression and I'm been. I mean, I've seen
dudes just buy like thirty grand in bottles and pour
them all out on people and pour them on the ground.
I'm like, dog, y'all are dumb, Like that ship is dumb,
Like are y'all really serious? Crazy? Crazy to me? Crazy
to me. But it didn't It didn't get a lot
of guys.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Far Did you have any rapper ribecause you were in
the league when Greenhouse was like Greenhouse when that was
a time and New York rap was still pretty relevant
at that time.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Well, what was the athlete versus rapper club situations?

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Like I was in JA and Greenhouse watching all up top,
I had to feel the tension from Gen Pop.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I think I always had a pretty good rapport with
like rappers and especially in other athletes. For sure. I
think with me, I was always I was always cool,
Like I grew up around here, Like I knew what
this energy was. I was in clubs eighteen nineteen years old,
Like I knew this. I knew how to move around here, Like,
I think that was a big deal. That's very important.

(13:40):
I knew how to walk up the greenhouse and be like, Yo,
what's upthing by myself. It's just me, My man's in
there already, and I got two girls with me. You
always got to show up with when you got two
girls with you, good, Oh, I think gay, Like they
doing this off rip Like so I just knew how
to move, So I think that was part of it.
But and then obviously furthermore as I became an athlete,
signing the Rock Nations boards and then having that, like

(14:01):
I just always knew how to move and had a
good rapport with a lot of different rappers and other
athletes in the city.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Who was the first rapper that you met that you
kind of fanned out once you were a celebrity yourself.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Oh man, you were I mean I think it was Hove.
I mean I remember being in a meeting doing the
Rock Nation Sports thing and you know him, O g
Rich climbing in the room and we're having a conversation
about me signing them, and everybody's giving me the fluff, right,
And I was like, all right, man, I was like
I got one question, hop, like why Like why me?
Like why have all the athletes in New York about

(14:34):
all these other prominent guys that are out here, Like
why me aside from my contract being up right right
about this year? Because I ain't stupid either. And he
was like, to be honest, everything that you've done with
your career up until this point is what I would
have done. And I was like, oh shit, Like Hove
just told me I'm moving right out here, you know

(14:55):
what I mean. So and obviously he has his people
out in the streets to see how I move in
the streets in the clubs, so he did his due
diligence before he even made the call to bring me in.
So I think that was that was a big moment
for me, just to hear someone of his stature talk
about me in that way and say that I was
doing all the right things, that that was a big moment.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Was it a little nerve racking?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
I wouldn't say the guinea pig, but you were one
of the first athletes over there. It was kind of
like a testing out the waters, and he was already
having trouble with the nets and it being a conflict
of interest of what this was really going to be.
Did that have give you any type of pushback, like,
y'all haven't even proved yourself in this space yet.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Don't use my career as a way to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
No, that's a good question. Not necessarily, I think obviously,
I was moving at a point where, you know, everything
Hove touches was gold, Like I think anything he was
going to get behind and put his name on, especially
in the world that he loved so much in sports,
and he's already you know, had his hand on Lebron's career,
had understood how to wrap his arms around players pause

(15:55):
and really figure out how to guide them along. And
I was like, okay, if I assigned to them and
not just him. There was the nucleus of people og
who I still speak to to this day. Rich Kleiman,
who was there who I still speak with. Obviously, he's
going on to do great things, Like it was the
infrastructure of what was built over there that really led
me to be like, Okay, I see what they're trying

(16:16):
to build, and I want to be part of it.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
What was it the first meeting?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Because you know, I always I laugh when I hear
guys talk about the first time they actually sit down
and talk to Jay And one thing that I think
people are surprised about is actually how much he's really
into sports. What was it like for you coming from,
you know, growing up in Jersey, New York area and
jay Z obviously being a big part of your growing

(16:42):
up in the city, you always listening to him. What
was it like to finally be sitting across from him
in that moment and just feeling like, Okay, I'm in.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
A position to do business with Jay Z.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
It was incredible. And those are the questions that I
have for him. I mean, I obviously had a hundred
other questions about music and how he felt during these
eras in this time and that time, but I sat
there and was asking him about, Okay, how did this
deal come about, How did you what was your mindset
when you were trying to do you know, when you
were creating Rockefeller, Like what was the business side of it? Like,

(17:15):
I'm sure there were hurdles and things you had to
get through to start something like that, Like what was
that about? What's your plan with me? Like what do
you envision for me within this? Okay, I signed to
you as an athlete, but I have other things to offer.
So what's in this building for me to take advantage of?
From a resource perspective that if I want to host something,
what does that look like? If I want to you know,
create a film, or if I want to link with

(17:37):
a director. I have a story coming from where I'm
from that I think can shape into film or a
TV show. Who do I speak to in here? And
he was like, oh, we have a person in that regard.
Oh we know you love fashion. You on your own line.
I had a line back then called Young Wales, a
small line that I started. He was like, Oh, we
have people here that can help facilitate that. We can
carry it under our umbrella and really take it to
the next space. So it was like he's checking all

(17:59):
these different boxes for me, Like fuck on the field
that was one thing that I knew I could control
if I go out there and play well, and I
go out there and perform, like, all of that's going
to take care of himself. But how is he going
to help me on all these other pillars that I
have in my life? And I was asking him about that,
and every time, without hesitating, he had an answer and
a name like, oh, we have person. Oh there's a
guy right down the hall that we just hired that

(18:20):
can help you with that. Oh we have and you
have a person that you want to bring as your
point person for this, We'll hire him too and bring
him in. Like all of these different things were happening,
and I was just like, oh shit, Like he's not
just you know, hiring me or bringing me on as
someone just to put a real cachet. This is like,
this is real. He wants to be invested in the
Victor Cruz brand, you know. And that's what and that's

(18:42):
what kind of turned turned me over.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Where where do you get your your resilience from? Because
you know, looking back at your career, you know, even
back to U Mass you you had to uh because
of academically you missed some time in school. You obviously
went on and went back and got you. I think
bachelor's your homework, y'all, are this is a real This
is a real.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
In the streets? Is this is real ship?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
It should have known by the way the leg was
crossed that this was a county.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Part of me, part of me? Okay to you.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
But your love with resilience going undrafted, uh, and then
having a great preseason.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Uh, we all remember that.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Obviously in the New York we were all rooting for
you and then signing with the team and then playing, well,
you got hurt, I think your first year something like that.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
But your level of resilience, where do you?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Where do you? Where did you.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Learn that from?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
It?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Is that something that was just taught in the home?

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Just growing up in Patterson. Obviously we all from the hood.
You gotta have some type of resilience because we all
meet obstacles. But where does Victor Cruz get that resilience from? Like,
no matter what, I'm gonna achieve. Yeah, that's a good question.
I think it's a little bit of all those things.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I think it's a little mix of my mother being
you know, I'm first generation Puerto Rican on my mother's side,
My mother was born in Puerto Rico. She came here,
My grandmother came here, built a life for her. She
built a life for me. So like my mother was
Puerto Rican to the corps, who didn't take no for
an answer, understood that, you know, all her kids got

(20:14):
to work hard. She worked a job an hour away,
dropped us off at school every day. She wouldn't come
home till seven pm every day, and like left the
list of chores for us. Like. It was a very
structured at the crib. So I understood that hard work
and dedication to your craft exuded good results, you know.
So I understood that very early on. And then my pops,

(20:36):
obviously he had two other children outside of me, but
he understood hard work. He was diligent on the process.
He was my first football coach, my first coach period
and anything like. He brought me out and taught me
all the sports that I know as a kid. So
it was just that infrastructure, and I knew I couldn't
let them down. There's a thing in Pattison where we've

(20:57):
had so many athletes, especially up to when I went
to college, at least, there were so many athletes that
came before me that had bigger opportunities than me, that
didn't necessarily make it or they didn't necessarily pan out.
Outside of Tim Thomas and outside of a guy Kevin
Freeman who was a very good basketball player got his
education at Yukon, didn't make it to the next level,

(21:18):
but that was a high level to reach if you
come from Pattison, that was a big deal. Stanley Jackson,
who was a quarterback, went to Ohio State, never really
panned out, but you know, so we had guys that
grew up in my town, and I didn't want that
statistic to come back to me. Now I'm next. Now
I'm looking at it. I'm like, oh shit, I'm the
next one. Let me go be the guy that breaks
the mold and continue to work hard. And I have

(21:40):
my ups and downs, got kicked out of school twice
for academic issues, still came home. Now I'm in community
college right in Pattison. So niggas is looking at me like, yo,
ain't doing it? Why are you here? Like are you lost?
And I'm like, you know, and I'm embarrassed. I'm like
making up some lies and shit, yo, they told me
I could come back. It's off season. Whatever, and so,

(22:02):
but just the resiliency. And I think the second time
I got kicked out of school, my dad passed away.
My grandfather passed away in the same year, and I
think that changes that changed things for me because now
I look up and I'm like, yo, I'm the man
of the crib, and I had nothing but women around
my girl at the time, my mother, my sister, my
grandmother was still alive. Like now I got to be

(22:22):
the one, not necessarily financially where I got to go
work and bring home the bacon kind of thing. But
I'm still the man of the house. So there's a
level of responsibility that comes with that. And I knew that, like, yo,
I got to go out here and change things. And
right after that, I got back into school, got a
three point oh GPA figured it out. I mean, I
had taken so many credits up until that point. I
got like a double degree and shit, like it's like

(22:45):
I'm like two credits away from like another degree. I
could get my fucking masters and shit. So like I
just understood that. I knew that the way that I
was brought up, that level of resiliency I had to have.
There was no taking, no for an answer, and I
knew that I was going to net out somewhere at
the top if I continued that same level of resilience.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Was was there ever a plan B per se? Like
I was watching a Tom Brady documentary One handed Cuts.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Lefty too.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Was watching this tom Brady doc in around like the
sixth round. He was at his parents' house, and he
was like, damn, I guess I'll have to sell insurance.
Like he was starting to think of like, all right,
I'm probably not going to get drafted, and was coming
up with his plan be on the spot watching the draft.
Was there ever another option if it didn't pan out?

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I honestly no, Like I didn't, at least not actively.
I think I knew that I was going to get
a chance. Like I knew I probably wasn't going to
get drafted it so would be super late seventh round
something like that. But I knew I was going to
get a chance in free agency, and I knew that
I had to be really smart about where I went
about what what uh what organization I chose because I

(23:58):
had to look at how many receivers they had. And
I say all of that because I had it mapped
out I remember being in big gass notebook, and that
was the first year that the draft was three days,
so it's like three long ass days of like, so
I'm looking at I got it written out all the
receivers on every single team in the NFL, how many
they have on the roster right now, and only for
me to go to the team that had ten of

(24:19):
them on the round and I was like, oh, I
chose the wrong. I think I chose the wrong. The
Giants got and they're young. This was Mario manninghand, this
is how Keen Nick, this is Randy's Barden Sonora's Mall,
Steve Smith, like, all of these guys are under four
years in the league. But I just knew, like, I
got to try this at home. I do it at home.
I could really like, I'll figure it out from here,

(24:40):
but I gotta try to do this at the crib.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Were you living in Patterson that first year in Patterson.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
New Jersey on East a tenth Street between tenth and eleventh,
And it's funny because you know, the neighborhood knows you right,
like they know that you're a herald of guy, you know,
the whole thing. So I had went and I think
this is what helped me. I went to the Giants
back then had a low at Giant Stadium and the
indoor facility, so any guys in the Tri State area

(25:05):
that were in the draft, they would bring him in
and do like a little combine and I was like,
there was only like eight dudes in there. It was
like five receivers, two quarterbacks, and like two running backs
something like that, and they really got to see me
up close and personal, like running routes, running forty, the
whole thing. And after that, I remember the receiver coach
coming up to me in the locker room. He's just

(25:25):
chopping it up with me, asking me like where I'm
working out at different things. He was like, all right,
just stay focused, stay ready, da da da. Then he
walked out and I was like, you're not gonna talk
to everybody else, and yeah, there's other guys in there,
and he just and that kind of you know, any
little thing you kind of taking with you. And I
think that helped me because after the draft, I got
my phone call from the Giant staff and they you know,

(25:47):
I never forget. They called me and was like, are
you ready to be a Giant? And I was like absolutely,
and I was like to that. To me, I was like,
I got drafted. Like that, that felt like the moment
for me. And I remember putting on I got the
local Protec the Giants had and like a sweatshirt, and
I remember walking outside and the whole community was outside
waiting for me to come outside and give them something.

(26:08):
And I walked outside of my giants had on and
they all like started going crazy and it was it
was a dope moment. And I didn't even tell them
that I didn't get drafted that I told to go
through all adult drums of free agency. I was like, yeah,
I'm going to Giants.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's all y'all need to know to know.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
And we took it from there.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
When was the first time, because I can't I'm trying
to remember it, but the first time you did the
SOULSA in the end zone, I can't remember what game
it was, but I do remember that was everywhere the
first time you did it.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
It was on the news. Every sports outlet had you
in the end zone doing it.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Damn What was that?

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Did you plan that? Or was that just like impulse?

Speaker 1 (26:49):
So it was a little I didn't necessarily plan that,
but I remember it was week three, and it was
funny because I was my second year right, so up
until that point, I was the longest tenured guy because
Marima and him got hurt. We had other younger guys
on the on the roster from the receiver position, but
none of them they weren't old enough to be trusted

(27:09):
just yet. They weren't They hadn't been there long enough.
I was the one that was there a whole year prior.
I knew this offense inside and out. Steve Smith was gone,
so it was just ha Keen Nicks and myself and
they kind of looked at me like, all right, we
got to start you like this. You know, we kind
of have no other other option. But leading up to
that week, our quarterbacks coach at the time, Mike Selim's

(27:29):
Mexican American all Week, and it was Hispanic Carritage month too.
It was the first week of Hispanic Carritage month. And
mind you, I don't even know Suspanic heritage month. To me,
it's Tuesday, and I better be at practice on time,
and I better have my shit's laced, and I better
run and not sprain anything like so, and every day
he's like, yo, you. You know what Tom, it is
is Spanic Heritage Month. You're getting your first start. We

(27:51):
got to hold it down for us. And I'm like, sure,
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't know me.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I'm gonna just go out there like cook ris and
beans out there while I playing, Like I don't know
what you want me to do with that, right, But
every day he came up to me, he was like,
we're back again. You know what you gotta do Wednesday
and Thursday, and I'm just like, what the fuck does
he want?

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Like I get it.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I'm gonna go out there and be proud I am
who I am. But I didn't understand it. And then
Sunday morning comes and I'll warming up and he came
up to This was the first time he actually prayed
for me. Every pregame he come up and pray and
he looked at me and he was like, spanning corrottge
months got to represent your culture today. And I was like,
all right, cool. And first play of the game, I

(28:31):
never forget I shake a guy. We first played the
game shout out to my OC because he knew he
needed to do something to keep me in it. So
first play the game, we run a double move and
the guy by Sante Samuel, he bit and I get
by him and he like overthrew me. But in my head,
I was like, oh, I want I could win up here.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, Like this person, Samuel was one of the at the.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
He knew he was aggressive, so he's double move succeptable
because he plays with so much. He want to pick everything.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
His son is in the league. Nothing his son and
he said as nice.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
And so I think it was the next drive and
we run a play on the other side, like a
little switch route and the guy the guy blitzed off
my head and I ran a switch out and I
was like, the guy blitzed, I probably should look back,
and thank god I did because the ball was already
in the air, and I looked back, caught the ball,
and I remember running and I remember seeing Namdi ass

(29:22):
Wan because that's when they had the Dream Team and
all that, and I remember looking at him in his
eyes and I'm looking at him and I'm like, are
you about to, like, do you play with that ferocious
to nacy? Were you about to just come take my
head off? Or are you just going to be tentative?
And I'm looking at him in his eyes, and he
gave me like the tentative like what do I And
I was like, oh, you're baked. Yeah, So I hit
him with the move thet they kind of collapsed. I

(29:45):
stayed on my feet. I'm going in the end zone
and I'm at the three y'all line, and I was like,
I was like, like, leath the shooter. I understand it.
I get it now.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I got in the end zone and I started dancing
sausa because I knew, like this was the swaggiest thing
I could do.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Nobody else did.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Nobody else was even I think Chad did it, but
he didn't really do it like how Puerto Rican would
do exact right exactly. So I dropped the ball. I
started doing it with in Philly. The Philly fans are
screaming at me and they hate my guts, and it
just had It was just like that moment I understood like, oh,
this is what he was talking about, Like.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
This is what I want SI cry when you did that.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
He was up in the boot.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
He was, and he came down at halftime and he
looked at me. He was like the first It's like
first of all I had ever heard them talks man
and he was like yes, and I was like, thank you.
Couch wrapped in the Mexican and Puerto Rican flat came
down with the hat he was he was.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
He was more excited than I was.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Absolutely, we only celebrated that with the Giants, not really
the Jets. The Giants are more liberal with the crowd
than I say with the Jets. Fact, absolutely absolutely with
I mean the Manning energy that was going on at
the time, New York media. If the Giants stink or
if they're great, new York media is still crazy. Then

(31:07):
add in the Manning family. Was that a lot of
pressure at that time, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Big time, I think, especially because they were looking for anything.
Eli didn't give them much right Like he was always
even he's never thrown anybody under the bus, He's never
It was always about his play, and I think for
the most part, you know, he had his ups and downs.
He was you know, we had days where we was like,
as receivers, we'd be like, damn, Eli, not on it today,
Like he threw three He had one game I remember

(31:33):
against Tampa where he threw three picks in the first
half and we were like god, damn, Like who is
this guy? This ain't the guy for practice, Like, but
then the second half he threw for like three point
fifteen and had four touchdowns and just like, okay, okay,
maybe he's the same guy. So we had our ups
and downs with Eli, but man, that media, that media
pressure is real. Like you'd go anywhere. I mean, I

(31:55):
was on the heavy Coach Coffin used to call it
the rubber Chicken circuit. I was on every gala, every
you know, New York Presbyterian. I was at all of them.
And you know, the media is there and they're asking
you questions and you better answer them a certain way
or they gonna clip you out. They're going to take
that one blur.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Even know about it.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
So now I got beef and now like every week
was like, well, how do you feel about the Bears
coming up? And they were DV corps and it was
just like in my head, I'm like, I don't give
a funk about it. I got stay super solid and
just be like, you know, we respect that, we understand
great team, but we think we got guys that can
take advantage of you know, we do the politically correct. Yeah,

(32:39):
so but you had to walk that fine line and
you know there's days where, especially once I got a
little older and I had a little bit of tenure
and I won a Super Bowl and I went to
a Pro Bowl, I was like, now I can talk
my ship a little bit more. And that's when I
started to get a little bit more open but still respectful,
but just be myself a little bit more in front
of the media. And it turned into something something great.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
But what's the catch?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Twin two?

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Like everyone loved when you dance, but if you miss
a pass, they'll be a headline like less dancing, more practice,
like big time. Did you want to even stop drawing
the light and attention on you at certain times?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
No, because I think I think I loved it because
I knew because I knew that like good or bad,
like that when you're bad, they hate you, but when
they when you're good, they love you again. So I
was like, I'm never gonna stop because my next pass
could be the best pass. Like like I remember, all
year long, I'm having great times. You know, we had

(33:31):
a four to three games skin where we lost some games.
Now I was scoring touchdowns and still dancing, but we lost,
so that you know, there were certain games where we
was getting blown out and I would score, and I
was like, and I wouldn't do it right, and I
wouldn't do it, and I was like, and I'm gonna
be honest. I got more credit for the ones that
I didn't do than the ones that I did, because
I would hear I would obviously watch the games back

(33:51):
in the commentary and be like, Yo, this guy gets it,
like this is a model guy for the Giants and
understands that's displaying great character, this type of guy that
they want at the Giants, you know. And I would
get more love for not doing it sometimes given the
circumstances of the of the game. So I always wanted
to continue to do it because it was a representation
of who I was and my character and being Puerto

(34:12):
Rican and my grandmother and like the whole thing. So
I never I understood what came with it, but I
never wanted to stop. I just wanted to make sure
I always was smart about how.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I used to what was Eli Manning's locker room swag?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Like what Eli's listening to country music? He's on a
different vibe. But he was always coolest ship, like he
always was. He was the biggest prankster on the team,
so he would come in and he did he catch
I don't think he caught me one time, but I

(34:45):
remember him. So we would have in the beginning of
the season in training camp with all the rookies before
we made any cuts, and he would always prank the
the rookies that would come in and he would go,
we'd be in our indoor facility and he grabbed those
little rubber pellets that would be you know, on the
field turf. They're rubber pellace. So he would come up
and he'd go to one of the young guys that
was super gullible and just would do anything that Eli

(35:07):
would tell him to do. And he'd be like, man,
I got a really really bad tooth right hair. I
think I got to get my wisdoms taken out. He
was like, I still got mind. He was like, do
you have yours? And he'd be like I can I see,
and they'd like they like pull the cheek back and
he would jump like a mountain, a mountain of just
rubber pellets down their mouth, Pauls, and they'd be like
choking for like today, and then the coach would call

(35:29):
them in.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
They'd be like all right second group and then.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Hilarious. So he had a whole bunch of like practical
jokes and different things he would turn I mean even
just last year, our new we just got a new
GM Joe Shane whatever, just two years ago, and I
guess they had a relationship, or maybe they didn't. I
don't even know, but Joe Shane Lonstory Short left his
phone on the table once it go get there in
the cafeteria, went to go be like a tray of food.
By the time he came back, Eli had changed all

(35:55):
of his language settings to Chinese. And not only that,
you know how you can do key words. He changed
the word and to ask, so anytime he wrote and
it would be asked and he didn't know it. So
he would just be texting his secretary ask can you
tell Coach was just like yeah, he didn't know how

(36:18):
to change it. He played him now, he played the
different type of games. That's why I never leave anything
vital around Eli, because you never know when it's going
to turn into a point.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
The first time you played against uh Tom Brady and
the Patriots, was that?

Speaker 1 (36:34):
What was that like for you?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Like being in on the field with Tom Brady and
just seeing the Patriots and the organization that they are,
did you feel like, damn, like everything that I've heard
about this guy, like.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
It's all true.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, for sure, I think you know you, I'd be
I'd be lying if I didn't say, like, prior to
the game, I'm warming up and I'm kind of peeking
at his process, like what's he doing with his receivers
over there? Like how's he getting them ready to play?
Like what's his technique? Like which is where is his
mind at when he's getting ready to play? Just trying
to get any little bit, any little advantage I can

(37:11):
that I can add to my process or whatever I
was doing. But we played them in New England for
the first time. This is in the regular season, and
it's coldest shit, and it's like one of them typical
like November New England games, and you're just like, Okay,
this is this is it. And we went in there
and we beat him, and we went down to the
wire and it was Edelman and it was the whole thing.

(37:33):
And I just remember being like, yo, this is like
they're a top tier organization, like Tom Brady has those
boys playing on a different level, on a different scope.
They just understand the game differently, And luckily we were
of that same ilk, right. I think coach Coauughlin prepared
us the same way Belichick understood that. Belichick comes from

(37:54):
that New York Giants cloth as well, so like, you know,
very militant, very structure, sure kind of set up on
both organizations, and I think us being cut from that
cloth helped me understand Tom Brady and how he conducted
his business as well. But man, it was you get
a little starstruck when you're out there playing with him
because you know, like, Okay, that's TB over there, and

(38:15):
he's gonna every time he laces him up, he's trying
to win, he's trying to gain an advantage, and you
know he's going to have those receivers and everybody over
there prepared to play.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
So twenty twelve, it was Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Leading up to it, did you feel like, oh shit,
like we got a shot, like we might actually go
all the way this shit?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
What was that like in the locker room? Like what
was the energy?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
What was the you know, what was some of the
music you remember listening to, like staying and keeping yourself
in a certain zone mentally, like this is the year
where I think that something like the Super Bowl can
actually we can get there.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
What was that time like for you?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
It was It was a crazy time because again that
was my second year playing right and we have a
bunch of I wouldn't consider myself a leader on that
team just yet. I was kind of climbing towards it.
But we had Justin Tuck obviously, Eli Ocumanjua. We had
OG's like Rocky Bernard who was out there, like who
had been I don't know, twelve years in the league

(39:18):
at that point, so I was leaning on them like
they were the ones that set the tone. But man,
I think once we rattled off all of those games
leading into the playoffs and then started and then won
all the you know, be Atlanta at home, beat Green
Bay and Green Bay like, then the San Fran game
was like that was the biggest test I thought, in
my opinion, was like, Okay, San Fran is gonna They're

(39:40):
gonna beat us up a little bit. Can we withstand?
Can we fight through and win this game? And that
was the biggest test for us physically, and those practices
that we had leading up to New England in the
Super Bowl. I remember I was just it was rock
life familiar. It was Dynasty album for me the whole time.
That was the mindset I was on, Like it was

(40:03):
you know, it was I was dial and it was
and that album specifically because it was about the team too.
It was like that album felt like he was bringing
everybody in to this world and now y'all got to
see all of us, you know what I mean. And
that's how it felt going into those games. And I'm
gonna be honest, at every level that I've ever played
the game of football, those practices leading up to that

(40:25):
Super Bowl game was the most perfect practices that we've
ever had for this day. Like there wasn't a drop pass,
there wasn't a mist assignment. Everybody knew what they were
supposed to do to the point where we would come
you know, it'd be like the Tuesday before after a
practice and our coach had no notes, Like he literally
was like, guys, for the first time ever, I have nothing.

(40:47):
If I told y'all something, I'd be like, it'd be
like white glove getting a little dust off. And I
don't even want y'all to think that y'all are doing
anything wrong. So we're just gonna watch film on New
England tonight, Like we're not even gonna watch practice because
y'all are y'all get We're gonna watch New England and
look at tendencies and look at DB's and look at
you know. I want you guys to really keen on
your matchups and the guys that are that you guys

(41:08):
are going to be seeing for the majority of the game,
and really lock in on that. But man, I think
we I think it was up into that moment. I
think we knew we had the confidence all throughout the playoffs,
but that week of practice where everything was perfect, we knew,
like they're gonna have they're gonna have a hard time
beating us.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
What was the last song you listened to before you
walked on the field for the Super Bowl? And then
what was the first song you listened to after being
a Super Bowl shape?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's a good question. I think the song I played
before going out there. I think it was long ago,
it was a minute ago. It was was this twenty twelve? Right?
I think it had to because I would always listen
to Blueprint before going out there, Like Blueprint talked about him.

(41:54):
Probably the rule is back or one of those joints
that was like, get me really really locked in. And
then after the game, I was listening to something. I
don't know, anything Drake at that point because he was
like all of them, you know, he was at the
height of it. We were partying. Crazy Drake was obviously
the biggest thing on the planet back then, and we
were partying. It was all you heard in the club.

(42:16):
So it was definitely something something Drake related back then.
But man, it was it was a time and I
don't know, I mean, we had a lot of alcohol
as well. It's a lot of liquor. And the best part,
the best part is like, you know, you're still with
the team. So the next day we got to fly
back home and everyone's hungover and I was like, wow,
I ain't never been this hungover, like in front of

(42:37):
my receiver cover. This is weird a little bit. So
he's like, yo, you're good. I'm like, which way is
the bus that I can't open this right eye? Then
were going to pray to get more drunk. Then we
get get more drunk.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
At that point, it's like, yeah, being from Patterson in
the era that you grew up in, what's your relationship.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
With Jersey club music, oh man, big time. I remember
we used to go down to Elizabeth, New Jersey. I
forget the name of the club. It was like two
clubs off the highway, and and those were back in
the days where we were like we used to dance
or something like that. There was another one across the street.
It was like used to walk across as dangerous as
highway just to get to the other side of the club.

(43:19):
And and I remember like it's time for the percolate,
like we was. It was a thing. And I remember
leaving there like I sweated out my draws, my pants,
my shirt was off, like there was no like that's
when we used to dance for real. Yes, So I
mean I missed that. I mean I remember that energy.
I remember loading up you know, somebody's mama's van to

(43:43):
go down there and really party and have a good
time and and really dance our faces off. That was.
That was a moment in time.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
You spoke about Greenhouse earlier. I feel like Greenhouse killed
the clubs in New York. It was just that fight,
that brawl and C and Greenhouse.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
And with Downstairs.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, like the culture of the club coach in New
York dead. Don't seem like it never really that was
the beginning of the end.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Was it was with one hundred. It was the beginning
of it. And shout out to who. I think Chris
Brown and somebody else had a fight down there, and
then Tony Parker caught a crazy Yeah called a crazy
you did at night. I was there that night, but
I left. I left right on top, like literally, I
got home and it was like, yo, it's going crazy.
I was like right now. I was like I just

(44:23):
left there, no way. They was like yeah, it just
went down over here, and I was like wow. And
then someone I think right after that, because I think
they stayed open, but someone died. Someone got shot.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah. That really that really that neighborhood was like get this.
It mainly was Chris and Drake the ruins.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
That was the That was the high level of why
it was done.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
But it was so funny about that was like hearing
about it the next day. It wasn't crazy that Chris
Brown and Drake fought over a woman. It was who
hit Tony Parker?

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, like, where was Tony Parker?

Speaker 3 (44:54):
I never even knew Tony Parker club until that stot.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I was like I've never seen Tony Parker came and
Tim Duncan did like Tony Parker.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Tony Parker used to be outside. Yeah, Tony Parker is
five eight, you know. Yeah, he's kind of love. Yeah,
you know he used to be outside, but he would
be he would be super low. Yeah, he got a
bag off that too. He should have. I would have
suit everybody like everybody's absolutely.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
You said you had your your shirt off at the club.
I'm glad, uh, the infamous You'm glad that that's what
you picked up. No, listen, it was one time I
was in Griffling. I think you had your shirt off.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Oh God, I mean, if you listen, you can't be mad.
But I'm still a football player, right, so I'm still.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Rooting in the you're on that line, I have to
be aggressive.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I get it still there, But I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
The infamous yacht picture, I'm glad that you show thought
we were we were going.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yacht picture is super legendary, super nasty.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
But you, my guy, I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I'm glad you you you had to wear with all
to keep your shirt on in that moment. God and
not look as crazy God who orchestrated who's the one
that says because I'm gonna say trade songs, did, I'm
gonna say Trey orchestrated.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
That it was it was his man's. His man's. Was like,
we were just all we were just chopping it up
on the front of the boat. Mind you we just
want to play off. Let me paint the picture for y'all. Okay,
we just want to playoff games. Yeah, we want to
play No, we won our last game of the season
to get into the playoffs. We now know that, Like, yo,
we're good. We're in the playoffs. And we're coming from Philly,

(46:24):
which is just up the street there. We come back
on the train. Oh, it's like, y'all, we're going on
the I got the plane. We're going to Miami. I
was like, maybe we shouldn't do it. I'm just throwing
it out there. We just want to know where excited. Yeah,
but maybe we should sit this one and maybe we
should just wait to say that. I'm just gonna say it. Yeah,

(46:46):
these young niggas was like, look at us, or you
go home like we're going And I was like, all right,
mind just New Year's Day. Yeah, So I'm just like,
you know what, of course, I want to go, but
I was like, I gotta be there. I got to
make sure that I got to make sure that we
are at least I can bring all of them back together.

(47:09):
So we get on the plane. We go, we have
a great time. We go to live, we go to eleven.
Trey has the crib. He's like, y always get on
the boat. The son is. I'm like, all right, bet whatever.
We go on the boat. Now we're just hanging in
front of the boat. Yeah, we're hanging out and we're
having a conversation. Trey's man goes, yo, let's take a picture.
And I'm like, all right, I'm not thinking anything of it.

(47:29):
It's just a photo. And you know, his man gets
the camera. We all, you know, line up whatever, We're
all kind of in our same positions. We take the photo,
and I distinctly remember taking the photo and looking around.
I was like, there isn't a female girls in the boat.
And I was like, why didn't we just grab one?

(47:51):
There's not a female in site on front of that boat, bro,
And and I didn't think nothing of it. Whatever, get done.
It made it made it really bad in my head.
I was like, of course there's one on the boat
and somebody saying, nah, just the fellas.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
This one yea, which is even worse on the boat,
almost like hey, let's take a silly photo.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
And I'm not I got the leather eighty degrees, I
got a leather jacket, or I think I might have
just had the black tea. I took the leather. I
got a beanie. I got the red Beanie on by
the way, back then, red Beanies was taking a wild head.
Soldier boy had the red called a wild hit me
with somebody else. It was a third person. It was
the Red Beanies was taking a wild hit back then.

(48:31):
So mind you, it's just a photo on the boat.
I'm not tripping. We go back to the ClearPort. We're
getting ready of our plane is pulling up. We knocked out.
Now everybody hasn't slept. I'm kind of the one that's up.
All out here is being phones going off. I'm like,
what's going on? I take my phone off. My shit's
going crazy. I opened it. They was like, look at
the giants on the boat. And I'm on this Twitter

(48:52):
and I'm like, oh my god, this is just the
same foat. I'm like, and it's just the and I
was like, well, this kill cool. It's a crazy photo.
But I didn't think it would get the backlash that
it got, solely because we had a playoff game eight
days from them, and it felt like we weren't focused
and all of those things that they tried to force

(49:13):
on us. But at the end of the day, it
was a phenomenal time in Miami.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
I'm sure, I'm sure you had a great job and
I'm sure you had a great time.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Just that moment.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Capturing that moment was like, what are they doing? But
looking back, Vic kepn shirt on, so he's saved. He
didn't killed Vic too much on the name that was
the chaperone exactly, all right?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Vic?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
So you know you was. You was one of the
more popular players in the league at one point, and
a lot of rappers had your name in their bars.
So we're gonna see if you can recite the artists
that recited these bars. I'm gonna try my best. The
cadence I need to remember. I can't remember all of
the Cadences, so I'm gonna try. I'm reading it and
I'm trying to see if I can remember the cadence.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
This is mostly gonna be a youse. Yeah, you cannot
say all this is. This is for the brothers, right man,
This is for the brothers, all right.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
First swim going up top, catching players like I'm Victor
Cruz nigga and I'm catching picks. I'm catching yours too, Nigga.
You ain't Drew Brees, nigga. That's a flu flicker, all
right now? Can you do it in his voice?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Hell, I'm not. I'm not high. Got a You gotta
get me a perk. Get this one right? Okay, Wait,
that tells me something there, because I don't remember that one.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Going up top catching players like I'm Victor Cruz, nigga,
and I'm catching picks.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I'm catching yours too, nigga?

Speaker 1 (50:25):
You that was was that?

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Fab No?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
This is Kodak in you Kodak. That was I remember
the Kodak Black. Yeah, that one had a different cadence.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Listen, great Kodak said it like that. He definitely didn't
say it like that. All right.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Second one, shout out the Kodak. Second one, Desert Eagle,
nicknamed the Easy Police, passed room with the d Easy Brian.
I'm in New York, in New York, I'm a giant
I'm like Victor Cruise with chicks to choose. Yeah, that's
Fab Nice, That's what I knew you and nice at
the end, Yeah, he was gonna get that one that
has flab like Fab as a whole Victor Cruiz mixtape
with this, you know, Fab can't wait to.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Have a good game.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
He got a good song coming out at that point.
A third one dropped right from Mohonda to a box
sixty two. They dancing, they bawling in, they zoning like
they Victor Cruise.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Oh, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
One drop went right from Mohonda to a box sixty two.
They dancing, they bawling in, they zoning like they Victor Cruise.
That's a goodie too.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Who is that?

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I don't know that now, which is always row which
is cool.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
So funny story about Royce. I remember back in twenty
eleven twelve, when slaughter House was at the height of it,
Joel Ortiz hit me to go be in one of
their videos during South By Southwest and I went out
there and the tension was weird. First of all, like
within the group, there was just like you could tell
they were well, we know why it was. Yeah, it

(51:55):
was a whole thing. It was a whole thing. I
remember feeling that tension, but overall the experience was fire,
like going out there shooting the videos. Dance yes, Hammer Dance, Yes,
that was one. Yeah, I was handed out there. That
was That was a crazy time.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Like some prank call.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
I heard on YouTube that you set Joel or Tease
up to like get tickets to like an NBA game,
and they were like, yeah, I got your number for
Victor Cruz and they wanted like Joel to like fuck
a pig at the court for finals tickets YouTube that
shot I set my guy, did you know what was
gonna be?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I had no idea what the actual prank was going
to be, but they was like, hey, we want Jeorg's number.
That like prank, and I was like absolutely, shout out
to Joel.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
But you got to hear that call, like Joe, what
I get? Of course?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Side tickets to the finals got you in there? Who
of course? And then Joelle's entire mood changed. Were like yeah, man,
you just got to like, you know, fuck this male pig.
It was like, na, man, it's got a little weird.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I don't I want to do that. I don't think
I want to do that, all right.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Next one, I was skipping school trying to get a
plug on a brick of food. I get him shipped
to your living room. One call, I bet they touched
down in New York, just like Victor Cruz tried to
get in your bag with.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I know, I know that kid.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I was skipping school trying to get a plug on
a brick of food. I get him shipped to your
living room. One call, I bet they touched down in
New York, just like Victor Cruz.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Damn. That was another good one, another great rapp.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
They touched down like I remember that one.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I'll give you he might be a Bills fan.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Oh that was Is that Benny? Benny?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I remember this was dirty Needle.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
That's a recent one. Man. We talked off and on
the grammar and ship going back and forth.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
You better at this next flow. I don't remember this one.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Oh, I don't remember this record either, But he just
has the same plow all right. She robbed the dick
like yeehaw. She don't funk with no cowboys. I beat
it up like I'm he man. She loved, she loved
sucking them g men. And after I score, I do
the salsa in the and after I score, I do
the salsa in the Victory Cruise on that phantom. Yeah,
but why you ain't just say pussy? Let me try

(54:16):
us again. She rather the dick like yeehaw, she don't
funk with no cowboys. I beat it up like like
I'm he man. She loved fucking them g men.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
And after I score, I do the salsa and the
Victor Cruz and that fandom drop the antenna.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I don't know where he was taking us with the
last bar. Still a great rapper. I didn't really this
is I gotta hear this one. It's a victory sound
like he don't know this. He's like, who the fuck
is that?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
No idea?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
That's game me mugging, Oh that was game, that's gang
from me mugging this one.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
He gonna.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
This one's hilarious to me because the first bar, in
the second bar, I have absolutely nothing to do nothing.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Dude, Sausa dancing on this ship Victor Cruise, riding with
the chopper like I ain't got.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Ship to lose.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I don't even know how those two things guys. Nothing
to do nothing, Yeah, salsa dancing on this ship Victor Cruise.
Riding with the chopper like I ain't got shit to lose.
What never saw the dance where you saw them? Never?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Never, I have no idea who that is.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
He was on the Dynasty album.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Okay, it ain't salsa dancing on this ship, Victor Cruiz
riding with the chopper like I ain't got ship to lose.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
That means absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Only person on the Dynasty album that would say something
like that that would have the chop but have nothing
to lose, or probably be beating seagull.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
That would have been my guest.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
That was my guest too, is Freeway. The other nothing
to lose, also nothing to lose. His beer was sticking
out every that was on Rock Reunion Last One. Hell
Mary told us the world ain't got ship to lose.
About to go along celebrate like I'm Victor Cruz.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Every time someone wants to wrap about Victor got nothing.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Nothing, doing nothing but winning, Mary told her it's the
world ain't got shipped to lose, About to go along
celebrate like I'm Victor Cruz.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Wait, that was that was easy? I think hell Mary,
which he married.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
All right, so victno a little bit, you know, a
little bit, little bit of music man, that's a couple
of little bit.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
You're very humble, because if I had this many lyrics
about me, I would know.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
That was that was two thousands.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
The game talking about is on your arm just the
artist in the date like that was Game right there.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
That was when Game was in the phantom in that pussy.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
You know, it's crazy because as a kid like you
dream about that, right like you, especially when you become
an athlete and you start making noise and you start
doing something. I just think they remember. Like I think
after like four or five good games, I had the
like revelation of like, oh ship, like somebody might I
think I've gotten there with somebody might drop.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Every freestyle just waiting once once I won a Super Bowl,
I was like New York.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
We found just recently that Bean said names dropped maul
in a verse for two was it two thousand ninety nine?
Maybe a freestyle on like a State Property mixtape? Yeah,
about mall getting super high? He ate wats many edibles
at that saw this, actually saw this clip. So Beans
rapped about it on a State Property mixtape.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Really yeah, they.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Gave did they do your nicknack? Because they gave you
like a nickname.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Space space Cakes. Beans calls him space Cakes in the verse.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
There's one way to get a name.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Drop Listen, man, I'm a legend like you. He had
nothing to lose that day. I lost my appetite to
put that through everything?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
The fuck up?

Speaker 3 (57:36):
That was it?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
All right?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Vic?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
So, me and Rory obviously don't know Ball, but we
want to see how much music you know. So we
got some questions for you, and then you got some
questions for us to prove that we absolutely do.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Not know Ball. All right.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
So first question, Vic East Orange, is naughty by nature?
Broke onto the scene with this top ten Billboard song?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
This is such like a producer question. This is definitely
broke on the scene the top ten Billboard song Trench
probably broke somebody's jaws.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
You never broke.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
You never broke into the scene of anything, but he
broke the blood exactly? Is it a hip hop parray
b Everything is gonna be all right?

Speaker 5 (58:15):
See O P P or D film me flow. It's
got to be hip hop paray right, No, it does
not have to be. It is O P P c
opp opp what's funny? I would have went hip hopparraight
as well, because hip hop ray felt like the one
that was like, you see.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
This is where we go back to broke onto the
scene opp was.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
The scene that was the first, that was the first.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Is it crazy for me to say feel Me Flow
is the best out of these four?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Is that too much about? Definitely the best video I remember.
I remember so many girls in video.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Legend video is.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Legendary while we're here. Top five Jersey rappers personal.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Your personal Top five Jersey rappers? Okay, in order or
it doesn't matter, doesn't matter, just five, Okay, I gotta go.
Joe Budden, I got.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
On the show, sir, all right, so five more, six more,
I gotta.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Go obviously, both guys with trash, yeah, Vinnie of course
as well? Who else a my Jersey guys? Why can
I think of Jersey rappers right now?

Speaker 4 (59:25):
You know?

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Women as well?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Okay, Queen Latifah, Why am I drawing blanks out here?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Ransom has been ransom of course of course?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
And then okay, last, but not leave look in the corner, okay, Lauren, Yes, yes,
Lauryn Hill, for sure. I always forget about Lauren Hill
being from Jersey, even though like they got the studio
in Orange that I've been to numerous times, and like
just to know that they created legendary, legendary music in

(59:56):
that place and that all happened mostly in Jersey.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Is it is a beautiful thing. We can't show Jersey
rappers and not say red Man. I'm just put that
out there, though. We gotta say red Man. Absolutely, I'll
swap him for Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
There you go, we like that. Here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Finally, all right, my question for y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Okay, after playing four seasons with the Giants, ended my
career after signing with this team A the New York Jets, Browns,
the New Orleans Saints, see the Los Angeles Rams in
d Chicago Bears. Oh the Bears how cold?

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Just like Browns. I knew it was like it was
a b the Browns and the Bears. It was the Bears, right,
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
The Bears you go to. I was there for a
little cup of coffee. It's funny because once I transition,
you know, the stigma or not the stigma both something
they tell you in the league off and it's like,
oh it ain't you know, when you leave the Giants,
it ain't the same everywhere, or like it ain't and
I'm like, well, I'm like, I'm going to the Bears.
Heralded organization been around for a hundred years, like they
absolutely you run a high level organization there. And I

(01:01:03):
got there and I was looking around. I was like,
this ship is trash. Food was trash. Ownership was trash. Wow,
Chicago coaching staff was tracked.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
At that part. But I meant in the organization got
cafeteria like that was just dish pizza all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
It was just awful in comparison to the Giants, where
it was like gourmet. We got packaged lunch. I'm talking
about Prince of Mukamar will come in. I mean, he's
a different type of person, but he would come and
just he not steal because it was free, but he
would like take a bag and dump gatorade and take
the ship. I would go to his crib and he
got like the Giants locker room of gatorade in his fridge.

(01:01:44):
I'm like, bro, you know you made eight and a
half million, last eight and a half Bro, get a
deal with fucking power raid or some ship. That's how
you keep generational wealth. Man saving his money. He's still
to the same day. Mind he's retired He'll go back
to the Giants right now and take the gator around
really nuts, it's really crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
All right, this is this next one.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
I feel like we can't give him to do options
here because it's too obvious. I would just say, all right,
this rapper is from Patterson, Okay, and had three top
ten hits in twenty fifteen. I feel like this is
kind of an easy one. Oh yeah, is he missing
an eye? That was a crazy run.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
That was a crazy, crazy run, and I love I
used to see Fetti when he was a young kid,
and back then he was just a kid with like
a little he had a little eye patch on, and
he would be running aund twelfth Ave and we would
just see him and we knew because he came from
like his family was like a musical family, but we
didn't know what his talent was. He didn't really display

(01:02:46):
any of that. He was just a young kid running
around Patterson. And then fast forward, I think I went
to college and then it was tour. I went to college,
and then I'm in the league, and then I'm in
the league a couple of years, and then I'm in
Patterson that my man's and I'm hearing four cars right
by and I hear Trap Queen Trap, and I'm just
like like, yo, what song? This is maybe like a

(01:03:09):
year before it even came out, and four cars in succession,
and I'm like, Yo, what song is that? He was like, Yo,
that's Fetti, Like remember Fetti from tw that with the PA.
I was like, that's Fetti Yeah, and he's like absolutely,
And I was like, Yo, that song. I don't know
what that is, but it sounds different than anything I've
ever heard. And four women just came through playing it,
and I was like, that might be we might be

(01:03:29):
up to something.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
That's that's why I think people get sucked up with
feeddi Like of course twenty fifteen back to back. I
mean it's three here, but it was like what seven
records he had? Yeah, Trap Queen took about a year
and a half correct to pop. Like he wasn't some
overnight success when Trap Queen hit you go on YouTube
that should have been up there for almost two years.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yeah, big time. I wish he just had some better
just people around him while he was in the heart
of it, because although he had a couple guys that
I knew that were in his corner, but I think
they were all new to the success and didn't know
how to, you know, facilitate it and make it last.
I think they were seeing it as whatever's happening right now,

(01:04:09):
let's hit it right now, let's buy as much as
we can, let's take care of everybody, not realizing that
that shit runs out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Yeah. I was working with Kevin Lyles when they started
three hundred, and that entire process was happening in the office,
like sometimes too much, too soon can burn you out.
Like but even on the management side, like what are
you supposed to do when you have seven hit records?
Not put them out exactly? Like everyone was kind of
just in the position of like, well, this is what
it is now, let's figure it out. But Freefetti. He

(01:04:37):
should be out soon, right, Yeah, I think he's come home. Yeah,
Thomas Olmos a football question. Let me see what we got. Okay,
I ranked tenth all time. Well I didn't even know
that I ranked tenth all time in the every Day's
history for receiving touchdowns. Who ranks number one?

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Amani Tumor Plexico Buris, O'Dell Beckham Junior or d Mark Bavarro.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
It gotta be Bivara.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Oh that that just show y'all age, Not really because
it's it's the answers amni tumor Oh really, but yeah,
Tom Tom sneakily has like he has a lot of
records with the Giants, really because I think he had.
He's the longest tank and every time I see a
tomb highlight, he's like tiptoe catches on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
He had the best footwork of any receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I was thinking back to my Techmobowl day. Okay, God,
I should go crazy with it was the same playmobile.
What what was that first year like with Odell? Did
you guys know he was an alien out the game?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Yeah? Big time. I think when he first came in
he had a little injury I think just a little
like hamstring or something, and so he didn't really practice
with us at first because they wanted to preserve and
make sure, you know, they they kept him. They tried
to get him back as healthy. But I would see
him kind of out the corner of my eye working
out and you know, to be throwing him balls, and
I was like, oh, okay, that catches different or like

(01:06:01):
what's going on over there? You know what I mean?
So I remember the first practice he came out. He
came out with us, and they wanted to test him immediately.
You know they're gonna see especially at the NFL. Like
I would say, in the league, practices are much harder
than games. Like in practice, you have to prove yourself
each and every day you come out to practice. And
I remember they put him in. It was the first

(01:06:22):
play he was in, and they gave him like a
I don't know. It was just like a fly route,
and I hadn't seen no one be as explosive as
that down the field. And he jumped up and caught
it and caught it for a touchdown over like our
best corner at the time, and everybody kind of stopped
and looked at each other and was like, I think
we got one guy. I think we got one. Then

(01:06:42):
fast forward, he had an amazing career with US, amazing
career overall, obviously, but we knew, I mean at least
I knew in practice early and then from then on,
like all the one handed stuff he would do during it,
I mean, the stuff he was doing in practice was
even more insane than anything that he's seen in the game.
That the catch against the cop with v catch. Yeah,
he had did that like four or five times in practice.
Nobody on the team was impressed. Nobody was like, oh,

(01:07:03):
he just did it. He did it against them Dominic
Rogers in practice, like it was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
All right, well, you can definitely take this one based
off the first stop.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Okay, I got you, all right? So you caught the
first touchdown pass of Super Bowl forty six. That was
February fifth, twenty twelve. What song was number one on
the Billboard Hot one hundred that day? A Niggas in
Paris b we Found Love, c Good Feeling or d

(01:07:36):
set Fire to the Rain by Dell.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Oh this was this was twenty Well, I would have
gotten this one wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Yeah, twenty twelve. I don't think it was Niggas in
Paris because that was that had to be twenty eleven.
I think twenty ten, and that's out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
See all the process of elimination got bachelor. That was definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
I want to tell y'all, Man School, I'm I'm gonna
go Adele.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
You are correct, correct twelve. I would have went Rihanna
and Calvin Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
We found that would.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Again that song was every but Adele had a different
type of wave. Adel and notin't even really, I don't
got a lot of adel songs in the catalog, to
be honest, but I'm very familiar with with the vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Adela was like, I have this thing with artists that
I don't listen to, not in my none of my playlists,
I don't listen to them on Apple Music or Spotify,
but I recognize that anytime I'm outside, whether it's shopping,
doing whatever, and I hear an artist in that song,
I'm like, that has to be a hit because I
just went to Whole Fool's Target and I'm hearing the

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same fucking song.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
And so Adele for me, she's that person.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Like, anytime you go out somewhere Adele, Rihanna, You're gonna
hear those two artists no matter where you are.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Yeah, big time, I'm a sad boy. Thirty is my ship.
I listened to I know every Adele album through and through.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Are you crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Said back while so jealous when he was in that
Hello videos, like you couldn't call me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Wait? And what like how did you how? Like I
don't even know what question I have, but just how
does what part of you? Being a sad boy? Was
like Adele because when are you listening to Adele? When
you are you in the whip? Like, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Feeling absolutely on a rainy day thirty on. Okay, listen, now,
do you have a daughter, Go listen to thirty You
will relate to that ship. Wait more than you think
you would like you pim shit me in the day now.
Pimmy is not the vocalist that Adele is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
But yeah, the content lyrical content, and she's a little
SIMI lyrics that she's talking about is you know this?
I resonate with those a little bit a little bit
different now. I also, I can't say I resonated more.
I don't really listen to Adele. I don't know a
lot of the lyrics and the content that she's really on.
So I got to do a little bit more research
before I just dismissed that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
To be honest, her bars crazy. No, I believe that
she's definitely a ba incredible writer.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Do you have one more? I got one more for y'all,
last one. On Christmas Eve twenty eleven, I scored a
ninety nine yard touchdown against the New York Jets, who
was the last player to score a ninety nine yard
touchdown is it a Devontae Adams, B Derreck, Henry C
Justin Jefferson or d Christian McCaffrey. This is this is actually,

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this is actually Who was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
The last player to score a ninety nine yard touchdown?

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yes? Who was the last player to score a nine
nine yard touchdown?

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Henry? I don't remember that, Derek Henry, I haven't. I
think he went in zone, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I got to get an answer from both of you,
you guys, what was what was d D was Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I'm gonna go, Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
You are correct, mall is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Derek Henry have a ninety a kickoff?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
It was? It was easy?

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
No, no, no, it wasn't Henry is never Harry. It
was way too valuable.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
They just handed that man the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
He went.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
It's a stupid run. You gotta look it up. It's
a he's shaking ship.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
I don't know how you got it, but I know
you got it. Got that man a little bit, a
little bit of esp in my life.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
We asked you your top five Jersey rappers. This question
has to be an order though. Top five jay Z albums, Top.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Five jay Z album in order. Jesus doing this to me. Okay.
Number five, I'm gonna go. Okay. Number five, i'm gonna
go Dynasty Album.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Okay, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Number four, i'm gonna go, oh we Number four, I'm
gonna go. I'm gonna go Black Album. Okay. Number three,
i'm gonna go, oh this is easy now. Number three,
i'm gonna go American Gangster. Number two, i'm gonna go
Blueprint and number one reasonable. Wow, that's an I'm trying.

(01:12:01):
That's the solid. I'm trying to think what mines will
be reasonable do? Number one, number two, I'm going hard
knock life. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Number three.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Mmm, probably American Gangster, number four, probably Volume three, interesting
way blueprints nowhere in the top four. That would be
my fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
That's the no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
That would be fourth Blueprint for me, okay, and then
Volume three five Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Yeah, I would go reasonable doubt, Blueprint, Black Album, American
Gangster four forty four O four four fourth and Volume
two switches. Depending on what day it is, it's either
four to forty four. Round would be my number five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
The first song I play after my twelve o'clock rule
is so ghetto for the most party, almost almost every
time because the b obviously the lyrics they just put me.
It puts me in a different type of space.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
That would make my top ten j Z songs, which
you're saying, ghetto one of the greatest jay Z songs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
J to the eight.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Who timblanded that, right? If I think timlated that, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Get I'm sorry soet so ghetto that Yes, it's so
ghetto and it's like that are like my two go
to like when I'm so good, we just want to love.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's Primo. Yeah, that's Premo on the scratch
for sure. Definitely all right, Vig. Well, listen, man, this
was long overdue. I'm glad we finally got a chance
to sit down and kick it with you. Man, proud
of everything you've accomplished, proud of everything that you're doing.
Let's stop running into each other by accident. Let's hang
out a little bit more. I am trying to get
into golf. I suck right now. I'm trash, but I

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was you, yes, friend, yes, but I want to get
more to golf. So definitely got to get out on
the course with you a little bit. And yeah, man,
let's let's let's chop it up against so absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Man, I appreciate y'all. I've been a big fan of y'all.
I'm proud of what y'all are doing, and proud of
the way you guys are carving your own path out here.
It's really special, special to see. I'll obviously tune into
all the little clips on socials. It is hilarious. I'm
always laughing at Thank you, bro, keep doing your things,
keep keep keep rocking.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Thank you so much. That's Victor Cruz, Rory Maul you
know a little bit of ball, I guess, just a
little bit