Episode 130: The Bidens’ Chinese Secrets

When then Vice President Joe Biden took a 2013 official trip to China, he brought along his son Hunter Biden. Shortly thereafter, Hunter Biden’s small investment firm received funding from the Chinese for a $1.5 billion-dollar private equity fund. This is the remarkable and largely hidden story of the secret financial relationship between the Biden family and the Chinese government and the sinister business deals that enriched them at America’s expense. Newt’s guest is Peter Schweizer.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
On this episode of The News World. Obviously, it's overwhelming
our interests. This is not a zero sum game. It's
overwhelming our interest that China prosper. Here's the deal everybody
talks about. Biden says that China, if we do, we
have to do. China's not a problem. Look, China is
in real trouble. Man. I spent a lot of time
with Shijing King. I spent more time with them than

(00:22):
any world leader. Before I left, my son's business dealings
were not anything where everybody that he's talking about, not
even remotely. Number one, China is going to eat our lunch.
Come on, man, they're not bad folks. Folks, but guess
what they're not there a competition for us. We need
to get tough with China. If China has its way,

(00:44):
it's going to keep it's going to keep moving and
robbing US firms of our technology intellectual property. There was
a debate here in the United States and quite frankly
throughout most of the West, is whether a rising China
was in the interest of the United States and the world.
As a young member of the Foreign Relations Committee, I wrote,
and I said, and I believe then what I believe

(01:05):
now that a rising China is a positive, positive development
not only for China but for America and the world
written large. Why this is new due to the virus.
I'm recording from home, so you may notice a difference
in audio quality on this episode of News World. When

(01:27):
then Vice President Joe Biden took a twenty thirteen official
trip to China, he brought along his son, Hunter Biden.
Shortly thereafter, Hunter Biden's small investment firm received funding from
the Chinese for a one point five billion dollars private
equity fund. This is the remarkable and largely hidden story

(01:50):
of the secret financial relationship between the Biden family and
the Chinese government and the sinister of business deals that
enriched them America's expense. I'm pleased to welcome my guest,
Peter Schweitzer, executive producer of the new documentary Writing the Dragon,
The Biden's Chinese Secrets. Peter is the president of the

(02:13):
Government Accountability Institute and a best selling author of three books.
I'm gonna talk today with a really good friend of mine,
Peter Schweitzer, the executive producer of the new documentary Writing
the Dragon, The Biden's Chinese Secrets, about the Biden family's

(02:37):
financial gains from the Chinese government. But I also have
to say that Peter has taken on both parties. He's
written a series of fascinating books, including Profiles and Corruption,
Secret Empires, and Clinton Cash. He's really someone with a
really good pedigree of doing great investigative work. Peter is
delighted once again to be with you. Wonderful to be

(03:00):
with you, Knute, thanks so much for having me so.
First of all, what got you into looking at Biden
and the Chinese? Great question. We kind of stumbled on it.
We do a lot of research that involves following the
money in Washington. I'm not one who takes the attitude
that money in politics is bad. I believe it's a

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First Amendment right. But when it becomes to self enrichment
by political figures, or when it comes by foreign entities
like the Chinese or the Russians or whoever, I view
that as a different matter. And we ran across this
sort of obscure website in China that described a meeting
that Hunter Biden, the son of the Vice President, had

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with all these top Chinese financial officials. This would be
the equivalent of the Vice President's son meeting with the
head of all the big financial firms on Wall Street,
throw in the Federal Reserve, and throw in the Treasury Department.
Here was the son of the president. We found that
very very curious, so we started poking around and then
discovered this web of relationships, this effort by Hunter Biden

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to secure financial deals, which he was successful in doing
with the Chinese government. And this effort took place just
as Joe Biden was a point of the point person
on US policy towards China by Barack Obama. So we
found that very very curious, and then we spent about
nine months poking around to find what we eventually uncovered.

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How much were you hindered by the Chinese? You know,
it's interesting. On the one hand, there's clarity as it
comes to disclosure of actual entities that have been set up.
So you can actually look at registries of Chinese companies
if you know which company you're trying to find, and
it will list two is on the board of directors
who has stakes, So that's very very helpful. On the

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other hand, of course, there's not a free press in China,
so there's nobody actually reporting on these activities and exposing them,
So you have to know what you're looking for in advance.
We knew the name of a company that Hunter Biden
was involved with, Bohi Harvest HR Partners, so we could
go to the Chinese government website and we could look

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who were the owners of that firm and who was
on the board of directors. So, as you can imagine,
in the kind of governance that you get in China,
not a lot of clarity, but there was enough so
that we had threads to pull on and really realized
how deep this went. What kind of tragedy do you
look for and how do you pull the great question.

(05:38):
Knew a couple of things. You look for first, you
look for, as I said, timing and what was interesting
about Hunter Biden. We started researching and looking at Hunter
Biden's background and what we found, essentially was it every
job that he had had in his adult life was
linked to his father's political career. He was either a
lobbyist for Delaware entity that waddened something from his father,

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who of course was a senator from Delaware, or it
involved an online gambling company that was in trouble with
the Department of Justice, and of course Joe Biden was
on the Judiciary Committee of the Senate. We looked at
what Hunter Biden had done in the past, and then
suddenly he pops up in China, and this was an anomaly.
This is one of the other things we look for

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newt is sort of fish out of water. We quickly
realized Hunter Biden really did not have any background in
Chinese deals, and we figured out that this involves a
private equity deal. That he had no background in private equity.
That for us is a very very strong red flag
in and of and by itself, it doesn't mean a lot,

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but it does indicate that something is probably in this.
Because what you're looking for in the case of Hunter
Biden with the Chinese is they come together and they
form a private equity fund called BHR Partners that is
financed by the Chinese governments. They're taking money from the
Chinese government's pension system and they're giving it to this firm.

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And you're wondering, why is Hunter Biden's there, Why he
is he on the board of directors. What does he
actually bring to the table here. He doesn't bring any expertise,
he doesn't bring any background, that doesn't bring any access
to financial markets in the United States. So you're looking
for anomalies, and then you're trying to look for what
are the actual deals that the Chinese government is funding,

(07:29):
what are the actual deals that they are doing, And
when you realize that they are doing deals to buy
firms that have national security or military implications for the West,
it becomes pretty clear in my mind why he's there.
He's there an assent to provide some cover or camouflage
or to run interference for deals that are potentially very

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politically loaded or should be politically loaded. So a lot
of this is sort of intuition, looking what the fact
pad are looking for the timing of things, but also
trying to figure out what are the anomalies, why is
this a unique deal? And that probably took four or
five months, And once you're there, then you can really
start digging into the specifics of the deal, what you

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know about it, how it was structured, the potential funds
that he makes, that sort of thing. Now, when you say,
when you're there, did you actually go to China to
do this? We did not. We had help, which I
can't name, from a financial firm that had access to
Chinese government registrations. Corporations. So all of this work was

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done online. And what we find new oftentimes is that
when I started writing books in the nineteen nineties, the
challenge was always finding information, going to libraries, going through books,
going through microfiche, or because of us who remember that,
the problem today really is too much information. There's so
much information out there. It's sifting through it and you're

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kind of panning for gold. You're trying to get rid
of the stones and the rocks, and you're trying to
focus on the nuggets. So there's an amazing amount of
information that you can garner online, particularly from official government sources,
from the accounts of certain companies. But it's a very,
very tedious and laborious process because again, you're going through

(09:22):
so much rock to find these nuggets of gold. And
most of that, I assume is actually in Chinese. Yes,
a lot of it was in Chinese, some of it
was in English. We use translation services sometimes we have
people that are translators for us. But really, ultimately what
it was about was stitching together accounts. Some of those

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came from these Chinese language blog sites where there were
individuals involved in these meetings with Hunter Biden. They were
parties to these deals posing for pictures with him describing
who he was. They would always describe him as Hunter Biden,
second son of the vice presidents. That's how he was
presented as far as the Chinese were concerned. And then

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once you know that those meetings take place, you try
to figure out who are the other principles in that meeting.
Oftentimes they list them, and then you go to the
government site and figure out who they are, and you
find out that they're obviously very politically connected, that they're
very powerful. And then you look at the accounts of
the entity itself. A lot of times when entities feel

(10:26):
like what they're doing is not going to be sort
of fully exposed, they honestly brag a little bit about
what a great deal it is. So BHR, the company
where Hunter Biden was on the board of directors and self,
actually put in its own media accounts in China the
fact that this was a unique deal that nobody else
had in China, not Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, nobody. So

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sometimes the companies themselves can be very very helpful in
figuring out exactly what's going on. Wasn't the creating a
cop in the US or being part of a company
in the US. Yes, Hunter Biden's been involved in a
lot of things. So what this private equity firm BHR
essentially did. They got one point five billion dollars from

(11:13):
the Chinese governments, and as private equity firms do, they
buy stakes in other companies. And what's interesting is when
you look at what Hunter Biden's firm was doing, they
were hiring firms that were either engaged in producing dual
use technologies those are technologies that have both civilian and
military application, or outlie sort of national security related company. So,

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for example, one of the things that the company did,
Hunter Biden's firm was it bought half of an American
company called Hannegis in Michigan. The other half was bought
by AVIC, which is the Chinese aviation military contractor. So
Hunter Biden's firm and AVIC go in and they buy
one hundred percent of Hennegis, which is a Michigan based

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company that produces anti vibration technologies. These are technologies used
in cars, they can also be used in rockets, things
like that. So they acquire this company and it's a
dual use technology company, and of course the concern at
the time the deal was approved by the Obama administration.
The concern at the time and remains is that this

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benefit of the Chinese military because anti vibration technology for
rocketry and other military systems has been a weakness for Beijing.
There was another case where Hunter Biden's firm BHR takes
a stake. They're actually an anchor investor in a company
called CGN China General Nuclear, which is a Chinese nuclear

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power company. As the name implies, the concern here is
that CGN just doesn't have nuclear plants in China. About
a year after Hunter Biden's firm buys a stake in
the company, CGN is charged by our FBI for stealing
nuclear secrets in the United States, and one of their
engineers leads guilty and mister Hoe some of the other

(13:07):
executives are still facing charges. But what they were trying
to do, Newt was steel nuclear secrets related to these
small atomic reactors that are used on US nuclear submarines,
and that's a huge military advantage that we have over China.
The concern, of course, is with this theft, that advantage
has diminished. So he's actually involved, not just in companies

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to make money, but in companies which have as a
secondary goal undermining American military superiority. This is a key point.
I'm glad you highlighted that, because people get I think
a little bit cynical and they almost expect that their
self enrichment in politics. This is not the sort of
rank and file case where a governor gives a road

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paving contract to his nephew. This is actually far more
serious than that, because, as you note, Hunter Biden made
money on these deals. We don't exactly know how much.
The estimates are thirty million dollars or more. But more
to the point, this is not victimless corruption. This is
corruption that actually damages the United States national security posture.

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And when you look at the deals that Hunter Biden's
firm BHR did, whether it's CGN, whether it's Hanegus, whether
it's their involvement in buying a mining company in Africa.
Of course there's a big minerals competition going on between
the United States and China. Many of these deals, if
not all of the deals that Hunter Biden's firm was

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involved in, had direct benefit to the Chinese military or
to the Chinese strategic posture around the globe. So this
is far deeper than just rank and file corruption that
has become all too familiar to people. Term was whereas

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Hunter's Chinese involvement compared to his Ukrainian involvement, great question,
they almost essentially overlap. Obama Biden ticket is reelected in
November of twenty twelve, and two things happen. Number One,
Joe Biden is directed by Barack Obama, maybe the point
person on US policy towards China. The deal with Behrs

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done in December of twenty thirteen. But then something happens
two months later in February of twenty fourteen, and that
is when Vladimir Putin goes into Krimea and triggers the
Ukraine crisis. What happens is literally a couple weeks after that,
Barack Obama points Joe Biden as head of US policy

(15:59):
towards Ukraine, and he ends up visiting Ukraine something like
seven times over the next several years. Literally three weeks
after he's the point person on Ukraine policy, Hunter Biden
secures his deal with Barisma, the corrupt Ukrainian company, which
pays him a million dollars a year to sit on

(16:22):
the board of the company, even though he has no
background in natural gas or energy or Ukraine. So what
we're talking about here, Newt is over a period of
just a few months, when sort of the planets aligned
for the Bidens. If you want to be cynical about it,
Joe Biden is the point person on China policy and

(16:43):
on policy towards Ukraine. That gives him enormous sway of
what our position is going to be towards those two countries.
And within a matter of months, the Biden family suddenly
has deals that they really have no qualifications for with
the government of China and with powerful oligarchs in Ukraine.
It's really an astonishing transaction, as it were, between the

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Biden family basically using the political position and power he's
been given for the benefit of enriching the family. So
are there any other countries that we know of the
hundred gun involved with? There are We know that he
had some consulting arrangements with oligarchs in Romania. We know

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that there were links with the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Kazakhstan.
There's also a very very curious deal that more details
are coming out on involving a Russian oligarch named Elena Boderina.
Now Elena Boderina was the wife of the longtime mayor
of Moscow, who is highly corrupt. She is generally regarded

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as pro putin, and she is also regarded by Western
analysts as being deeply tied to Russian organized crime. We
know from court documents in avolving Hunter Biden's business partner
Devin Archer that according to Devin Archer, Elena bat Arena
invested some two hundred million dollars into a real estate

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entity that Hunter Biden was the co founder of, and
that Devin Archer was also a co founder of wait
a second two hundred million dollars. Yes, two hundred million dollars.
So this is a guy who knew nothing about natural gas.
You know nothing about the projects in China? Do we
know if we knew anything at all about realesten No,

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no background in commercial real estate whatsoever. It's important to
point out here, by the way, that the name Rosemont
real Estate. Hunter has an investment firm called Rosemont Seneca Partners.
Rosemont is the name of John Kerry Teresa Hines Estate
in Pennsylvania, and this is important because the funding for

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these companies came in part from the Hines family, through
Christopher Hines, who is the stepson of John Kerry, who
of course was a Secretary of State all the time
all of this is going, so you can see what
kind of an insider deal this was. But you're exactly right.
None of these areas are backgrounds that Hunter Biden had
expertise in whatsoever. What he did have was a very

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powerful father who was steering a lot of US foreign
policy that was generally not regarded as a strong point
for Barack Obama, a point that Barack Obama himself admitted
by putting Joe Biden in charge of so much policy.
An individual like Elena bat Arena, if you go to
Wiki leaks and look at the State Department cables of
how they describe her, or you look at just some

(19:36):
of the press accounts, she is on the sanctions list
that the Trump administration has put out on oligarchs that
are not allowed to do business or to come to
the United States. She has a long history of association
with Russian organized crime figures, and yet you have corporate
documents from a court trial laying out that there was

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an investment made by her into one of Hunter Biden's businesses.
Which you actually find is that Elena bat Arena's top
assistant actually lifted himself as an advisor to Hunter Biden's
real estate firm while he was also working for Elene
about Arena. So clearly there was a relationship there. And yet,

(20:17):
as it comes with so many of these other things
newt there seems to be little press curiosity about these
kinds of ties. In addition to Hunter, Biden's younger brother James,
also that involving real estate, didn't he Yeah, So Frank
Biden had a series of deals involving real estate and

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non fossil fuel energy projects in both Jamaica and Costa Rica.
Add him to the list of Biden's who really had
no background into the areas that he went into. But
what Frank Biden was successful in doing was securing taxpayer
backed loans for projects in those states. The other brother
that he has, James Biden, has a series of deals

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as well. The most startling occurred in November of twenty ten, when,
of course Joe Biden is Vice President of the United States,
he has a big say in the Iraqi reconstruction. We
find that James Biden joins a company, a construction company,
even though he has no background in construction, and within
six months they have landed a multi billion dollar contract

(21:25):
to build homes in Iraq as part of the US
lead construction project there. Do we know if that contract
is still valid, No, it's not still valid. In fact,
one of the things that happened was they started to
execute the contract and it was realized by the people
on the ground that this firm actually had no ability
to execute it. So the contract was downsized. But that

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construction company, again Joe Biden's brother is the executive vice
president of that company. He has no background in construction.
They landed a series of other contracts the state departments
and from other federal government agencies as it involved renovation
and other projects. So it's again another glaring example of

(22:09):
clearly how the financial portunes of the Biden family revolve
around the planet. Joe and the Moons are the family members.
We really don't have the skill or the background in
these areas, but secure these deals anyway because of who
Joe Biden is. If you happened to put together like
a large chart that just shows all this stuff, actually

(22:32):
we have not You have what I call the Biden five.
These are the five members of the family who have
cashed in because of Joe Biden's career. We've talked about Hunter,
We've talked about his brother Frank with his taxpayer backed
loans in Jamaica and in Costa Rica. We've talked about
his brother James and the Iraqi contract, and there's other

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things to go along with that. Then you have his
sister Valerie, who has run his campaigns over the years
and made millions of dollars doing so. And then the
final one involves his daughter Ashley and her husband. Her
husband put together a company called Startup Health and they
literally launched the company in the Oval Office. The sun

(23:19):
in law gave an interview where he describes how he
was talking to Joe Biden, the Vice Presidents, about this
company he wanted to start, which was basically to provide
access for healthcare startups to federal government agencies, and Joe
Biden said, well, come on in, I'm going to have
you talked to Barrock about it. They come in, they
talk to him in the Oval office. It's then set

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up so this new company that's barely exists, that barely
has a website, becomes a featured participants in a healthcare
data conference that the federal government holds that brings all
the big healthcare players around the country into play. So
those are the Biden five and you're right at chart
I think would really help described to people and visualize

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to people the extensive nature of this. I've never seen
a family with that many family members engaged in corrupt
or chrony behavior. The most I've ever seen before that
was three. This is five, and this is far more extensive.
I think if you had a Biden five chart that

(24:22):
people could print off the web or something, they would
have a lot of takers. As I'm sitting there listening
to you talk and trying to envision it, there's really
a lot of stuff here. I think part of what
slows down the news media is that all of this
requires real work to validate it, and they're not big

(24:43):
on doing real work. Now. I think you're absolutely right.
I think part of it is the media seems to
have joined the resistance, as they call themselves. But I
think the other component is exactly what you're saying. It's
the complexity. Some of them have so many stories that
they have to produce every day, but others are just lazy.
They don't want to do the work and the heavy

(25:04):
lift that goes with looking under rocks and confirming these facts.
When I was speaker in ninety six, who got into

(25:25):
a fairly substantial Clinton Gore scandal of taking money from
the Chinese Communist with my favorite moment being Gore going
to a Buddhist monastery of monks who had pledged vows
of poverty in collecting a couple hundred thousand dollars. I
just noticed this week a report that came out that

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act blew the big Democratic fundraising machine. Forty eight point
four percent of their donations come from people who do
not list an employer or say that they have a job.
Biden is forty nine point six percent that come from
people who say that they don't have a job or

(26:06):
that they don't have an employer. Now, by contrast, the
Republican model when read is four percent and the Trump
campaign is two point six percent, So literally more than
twelve times the share of that Blue not able to
report an employer. And the question has been raised whether
in fact, this is a device for simply laundering money

(26:30):
from foreign owners. As an investigative reporter, what would your
reaction be just to seeing those kind of numbers, Well,
they're shocking, and if I read it correctly nude, I
think that data came from twenty nineteen, so that's when
the unemployment rate was incredibly low. It is very very

(26:50):
concerning demands. I think a further deeper look, because when
you make a contribution, you are actually required to list
your employer, and they're not supposed to lie about it.
And I don't think people are going to lie about
putting the fact that they're unemployed. If you're retired, you
put retired. But I think even more to the point,

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this has been a longstanding, troubling issue that has not
really been addressed in the substantial way, and that is
the vulnerability of online fundraising to the manipulation of foreign entities.
Back in two thousand and eight, when Barack Obama was
running for office, the Washington Post actually ran a piece

(27:31):
where they described how individuals that were enthusiastic fans of
Barack Obama's made I think in one case it was
thirteen thousand dollars in contributions even though the cap I
think at the time was twenty six hundred for the primary,
and this individual made those donations just by using their
same credit card, but by just using different fictitious names

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for the donation. It was a way to subvert the
cap of how much money you could give. So I've
been demonstrated to happen before. When you put a sophisticated
foreign operator behind it, whether they're Chinese, whether they're Iranian,
from wherever, you have a serious vulnerability there. And the
problem is that some campaigns just want to look the

(28:16):
other way. I mean, it's in their financial interest to
look the other way and pretend that it's not a
problem and that it's not occurring. So there's nobody really
watching the handhouse in this case. Well, it strikes me
that both on the financial donation side and on the
family investment side, everything has conspired to encourage Biden to

(28:39):
look the other way, that he has no invest interest
in either getting to the truth about his family or
getting the truth about donations that may be coming from
foreign countries. I think you're exactly right, and we know
for a fact that Team Biden has lied about the
ties involving China and Joe Biden's knowledge of them. Joe Biden,

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initially when these reports came out, said that I never
discuss any of the business ties that my son has,
which sort of strains credulity because in part they have
talked for decades about how close they are. But even
more to the point, they flew together on Air Force
two to China, which is from Washington, DC, an eighteen

(29:22):
hour trip whatever it is, and the suggestion that they
never discussed it is just remarkable. But then after he
insisted on making that point repeatedly, it came out that
Hunter Biden admitted that he had talked to his father
about at least the Ukraine deal, and that he had
introduced his father to a Chinese business partner on the

(29:42):
official trip in December of twenty thirteen. So I agree
with you, there's not an incentive for him to discuss
these things because it's been good for his family. But
they've also tried to an effect to cover it up
and minimize it. And I think the point that needs
to be made here, I mean, you make it in
your book Trump Versus China, and we need to remind
ourselves we've been talking in this conversation about China. What

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we're really talking about is the Chinese Communist Party and
the fact that they use these Leninist techniques to try
to curry favor and subvert what they view as their
enemies leadership. And that's what I think this is. This
really is an effort for them to get Joe Biden
to be softer on China, and I think by any definition,

(30:29):
has worked, because when you look at his rhetoric, he's
on an island by himself in describing that China is
not a threat, They're not a challenge, They're nothing to
worry about. Even Barack Obama and Ben Rhodes, his national
security advisors, have said that China represents a challenge and
a threat to the United States. Joe Biden is unique

(30:50):
and on an island by himself in saying otherwise. And
I have to believe that is tied directly to the
fact that that same China has his family wealthy. Well.
I think that's big part of it. Have you tried
to quantify how much Chinese money is involved and how

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much the Ukrainian money is involved in terms of hundred
we don't know what Hunter made. One of the things
that I have called for is a requirement that elected
officials right now, if Joe Biden or Donald Trump or
whoever has ten thousand dollars in general electric stock. They're
required to disclose that. But if their adult child does

(31:33):
a one point five billion dollar private equity deal with
a foreign rival government, there's no disclosure requirements. And one
of the things that had a conversation with Senators Crews
and Lee a couple of years ago that they posited
was what about simply requiring that politicians disclose if any
family members have deals with foreign governments. Again, people can

(31:57):
lie on those forums, but at least require some clarity.
What we know in Hunters case Newt is that he
got a million dollars a year from Ukraine over about
three and a half years. In the case of China,
we don't know. There's an estimate by a professor at
the University of Chicago Business School. He told fatcheck dot

(32:18):
org that he believes that Hunter's steak and the Chinese
firm was probably thirty million dollars that could have gone up,
but there's no real way of knowing. The bottom line
is that Hunter Biden's not doing them for free. He's
doing them to be compensated, and the Chinese want him
to be well compensated because they want the Bidens hooked
and on the line. And that's what I think. They

(32:40):
have two things. One, I do think you could write
a requirement which would make it a felony to not
fill it out accurately, So in that sense, you could
have an enforceable The other is, I'm going back to
Joe Biden's basic I'm thinking, I'm a father and a father.

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So one of my daughters walks in. It happens to
have made a million dollars a year. Now, would I
have noticed this? And then she says, oh, by the way,
I got this new deal where I'm now managing a
billion five and Chinese money? Now what I have noticed that? Again,

(33:21):
Biden has been acting very strangely, and it's conceivable that
he either never knew or didn't remember. But it doesn't
strike me as very plausible somebody who doesn't notice if
their kid is picking up a million dollars a year
from Ukraine and maybe picking up as much as thirty
million years from the Chinese. I mean it had to
affected Hunter's lifestyle. The whole thing's not believable. I agree,

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one hundred percent. And we also know, for example, in
the case of Barizma, when Hunter joined the board, it
was announced in April of twenty fourteen, so it was
there in the public realm, and Joe Biden didn't do
anything about it. When you talk about the relationship between
Hunter and Joe Biden, there's obviously the lifestyle evidence, but

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there's also the fact that we now know, thanks to
our friends at Judicial Watch, that Hunter Biden was spending
a lot of time in China. There were some five
trips that he took during the first term of the
Obama administration. And it sort of occurs to me, given
that Hunter and Joe Biden have talked about the fact
that they are on the phone all the time with

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each other because they're so close. He would occur to
me that where are your son. Oh I'm coming back
from China, or I'm in China, Oh what are you
doing in China? I mean, those are the natural, normal
conversations you would have with your daughter, I would have
with my kids, anybody would have with a family member.
And the lying that has followed their efforts to try

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to quell this story indicate that they are desperately trying
to cover this up. Joe Biden wants you to believe
he's so close to his son. They have such an
intimate daily relationship that he didn't notice millions of those
and he didn't notice the trips to Ukraine and China.
And he's really mystified why anybody would doubt him, because,

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after all, he's such a good guy. I think this
is going to grow and continue, and I think your
research is going to be a major part of the
story of twenty twenty. And I just want to thank
you well, thank you, dude. It's been great to have
been on with you. We're going to keep pressing on
and doing the research that we always do and uncovering
this stuff and letting the American people know what's going on.

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the new documentary Writing the Dragon, The Biden's Chinese Secrets
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