December 4, 2024 • 32 mins
Newt talks with President-elect Trump’s recent pick to run the FBI, Kash Patel. They discuss his book, “Government Gangsters: The Deep State, the Truth, and the Battle for Our Democracy.” The book exposes the deep state within the U.S. government, detailing how entrenched bureaucrats have undermined democratic processes and stripped power from elected leaders. Patel, a former top official in the White House, Department of Defense, and other key agencies, shares his firsthand experiences and insights into the major players and tactics of the deep state. He discusses the challenges he faced in publishing his book, including a lawsuit against the Biden administration to release the manuscript. The conversation also covers Patel's career journey, the weaponization of government agencies, and the interconnectedness of the deep state and mainstream media. Patel emphasizes the importance of educating the public about these issues to preserve democracy and prevent future abuses of power.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
On this episode of News World, the highest levels of
government have been infiltrated by an anti democratic deep state
that can be defeated by refocusing our national security mission
and relentlessly defending the truth. In his new book, Government Gangsters,
Cash Patel, a former top official in the White House,
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the Department of Defense, the Intelligence community, and the Department
of Justice, pulls back the curtain on the deep State,
revealing the major players and tactics within the permanent government bureaucracy,
which has spent decades stripping power away from the American
people and their elected leaders. Based on his first hand knowledge,
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Patel reveals how he can defeat the deep state, reassert
self government, and restore our democracy. Here to talk about
his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome back my guest,
Cash Patel is the Chief of Staff to the Department
of Defense, where his responsibilities included implementing the Secretary of
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Defense's mission involving three million plus employees, a seven hundred
and forty billion dollar budget, and two trillion dollars in assets.
Prior to his experience of the Pentagon, mister Pateel served
as Deputy Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
counter Terrorism on the National Security Council. Cash. Welcome and
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thank you for joining me again on News World.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Mister speaker, it's great to be with you today. Thank
you for having me on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, I'm curious, as I remember your parents wanted you
to become a medical doctor, but instead he became a
defense attorney. I mean, how did that happen?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Best laid plan, sir?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So I went to college and I went to see
my school counselor on day of college and I said,
I guess I'm pre med. And he laid out the
next eight years of my life for me on that day,
and I said, I don't think that's for me. And
I just sort of followed whatever interested me there after,
and the law was what seemed to be it and
that's what led me there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I was told that part of your transition into being
a defense lawyer came from being a caddy at the
Garden City Country Club. How did that intersection work?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You do your homework, mister speaker.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, so you know I caddied from when I was
thirteen to twenty one to help pay for college and
the foursome that I would caddy for on a regular
basis at this country club on Long Island were all
private criminal defense attorneys, and I thought their stories were
really cool about how they would go to court and
do these trials and have these exciting cases. And in
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the back of my mind, I guess it just sort
of settled there for a while that I found that
really interesting. But I never thought I would become a
public defender. I thought I would become the private defense
attorney guy, and that just never happened.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So I'm curious when you wrote Government Gangsters, and I
remember talking with you both in your White House Spirit
and then a Defense Weapon and you know, an immense amount.
But Government Gangsters was delayed in publishing because the Defense
Department was holding on to it to make sure no
classified information got out, and you ended up having to
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sue to get the book out. Was this a deliberate
dragging their feet to try to block the book from
coming out.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
In my opinion as speaker, I think what they wanted
was a blockade to prevent the manuscript from coming out
because they don't want the things printed and that I
put in there, and they use typical government excuses like, oh,
we sent it out, it's being reviewed DJ, FBI, dd NSA,
everybody's got to look at this thing. And I said,
I understand the process, but.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It usually takes two to three months.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So I actually knew they weren't going to move until
we took them to federal court. So I sued the
Biden administration and all the agencies and departments to release
my manuscript. And wouldn't you know, within weeks after our lawsuit,
they came back and they said, oh, it's good to
go now, and they only redacted point zero five percent
of my book. It's literally the same six words eight
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times over.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It was laughable.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
That was it?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So how long did it take them to find these
six words?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Knowing what the six words are and having my background,
my attorneys and I found it so hysterical that they
pick these words because they are not classified whatsoever. It
just points to the name of an entity that's already
in the public sector and sphere. And I think that's
what they utilized in front of the court to justify
their delay. In the nine months preceding the lawsuit, the FBI,
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which I'm very critical of in the book, and Chris
Ray had had the manuscript for nine months and they
hadn't looked at it. But once I filed the lawsuit,
they cleared my manuscript without redactions in twenty four hours,
so we know they were just playing games to prevent
the release of the information in there.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Were you surprised? First when you were at the House
Intelligence Committee and then when you were at State in Defense?
Was the deep state a lot bigger thing than you expected?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Way more?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean, I just thought in my entire tenure in
government service some sixteen years, there was going to be
some bad actors along the way. We've always seen some
level of government corruption, but I thought it was a
one off here and there. And then when Devin Nunez
brought me on to run the Russiagate investigation after my
tenure at the Justice Department, my first in at DoD
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and Intelligence, I was floored. As a national security prosecutor
who used the FISA process in the seven or two
process to manhunt terrorist around the world. I was absolutely
besides myself that a deep Department of Justice would use
that process to investigate a presidential campaign and his surrogates.
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And then when I dug into it, I couldn't believe
how many people had gotten together to lie to a
federal court. The fies a court just so that they
could get the surveillance warn't up. And the thing I
guess as a former public defender that shocked me the
most was the amount of evidence of innocence, of exculpatory
evidence these individuals at DOJ and FBI had excluded from
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the warrant application itself, which launched the entire rustigate thing.
And if that weren't bad enough, I thought, wow, look
at that deep state. The deep state that came in
behind those individuals during the Trump administration to cover up
and I'm talking about Republicans to cover it all up was.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Even more shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
We ended up fighting them more than I fought the
Democrats and the deep staters that were committing this conduct.
I didn't think in the United States of America that
was possible, but that's what we uncovered.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I've recently started a series at The American Spectator going
all the way back to World War Two and the
Soviet penetration of the system to try to outline the
depths behind how we got to the current constitutional crisis.
And it strikes me that it really is a constitutional crisis.
When you were working for an administration which the bureaucracy
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was actively trying to undermine and weaken, despite the fact
that the American people had elected it. I mean, didn't
you find that sort of stunning from.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
A constitutional perspective? You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
How is it that Donald Trump in during his administration,
his appointed attorney general, his appointed FBI director, his appointed
Secretary of Defense, and so many others. I would go
into interagency meetings to execute the president's lawful authorities to
issue the national security mission, whether it was hostage rescue,
wiping out terrorists, taking out enemies, and ending the forever wars.
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These individuals would come into the room and say they
had the mandate to block a lawful authority of the
President of the United States. And I found that equally
as shocking as I found the deep state. But then
I dug a little deeper, and I was trying to
figure out, why would you block the commander in chief's order?
And it's the one thing that a lot of these
government gangsters in Washington, DC have in common. They are
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always looking out for each other and the institutions they serve,
rather than doing the job. And President Trump the unique
ability that he had when he came in, was he
not only promised and campaigned on doing things on the
national security front, like securing the border and ending the
war in Afghanistan and taking out terras, he did them
and in a shockingly high percentage. And I think that
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turned these individuals at the top against him because they
didn't like his personality or they didn't like his style,
and they continued this deep so they continued to ncap
his administration for almost two years with just the Russia
Gate investigation and stuff. I mean, we have to remind people,
but John Durham and our investigation on Capitol Hill found
was there was no lawful authority to ever investigate Donald
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Trump in the first place. But we now know, and
it's in the book, that the NSA was given a
contract to actually tunnel into Donald Trump's White House and
exploit email.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Traffic that was going in and out of there.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, this is what these people signed off on
because they were so healt and bent on trying to
find out information that didn't exist so they could satisfy
the media. And that was a big problem was the
media who hated Donald Trump, and they were trying to
just serve them rather than serve their duties under the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
As the U.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Outline, isn't there an almost incestuous relationship between the deep
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state and the news media. When I look, for example,
every study I've seen about the Russian hoax, you actually
see FBI agents and intelligence agents giving the New York
Times the World Post stuff it's totally false, but that
they're eager to print.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, and what we track in government, gangsters and elsewhere
is the coordinated leaks. One of the themes of the
book is that I don't believe there are any coincidences
in government, and there is no deep state without the
mainstream media, especially the DOJ and FBI, DoD during Russia
Gate and during other events, leaked classified information to the media.
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Just look at bad actors like Adam Schiffen company too
in Congress. So it's not just in the executive branch
to uphold narratives that they wanted to take out Donald Trump. Ie,
Donald Trump is a Russian asset. We know that's completely false,
but half of the United States of America thought that
was the case, and a lot of them still do
because they watched.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
The mainstream media.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
A lot of the mainstream media also lied about the
DOJ and FBI's conduct during Russia Gate to the fights
of court, and now we know and equivocally that they
lied to get that application up and running. And the
problem we run into is when you stack these mainstream
media narratives together that were authored by these deep state actors,
people get past the truth, and two three years later,
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when they learn about it, the mainstream media is coming
up with their next iteration of an election rigging scam,
like the fifty one intelligence letter on Hunter Biden's laptop
is just one example. And for me, that was the
most undemocratic, unconstitutional thing I'd ever seen. And by the way,
that's what spawned the two tier system of justice. Nobody
that leaked classified information unlawfully was ever prosecuted for this
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five year window. And now you see what's happening to
Donald Trump today and the disparate treatment by the Attorney
General in the FBI of him versus what so many
in the deep state did. They got away with because
they wanted to take out Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
To what extent do the anti Trump Republicans not understand
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I think they well understand it. I think what they're
trying to do is take them out. I think they
the entrenched class. And as part of a big problem
of the government gangsters is the folks that go into government,
into these high level positions, then kareem out of government
and get a golden parachute back into say the.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Defense industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's a very cyclical problem, and I think they're very
aware of the ethos they have is Washington, DC exists
to serve us, not Donald Trump and his mission that
when he put America first.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And I'll give you a primetime example.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
We know that Rod Rosenstein, as the acting Attorney General,
signed the most bogus PAISA warrant, one that was actually
rescinded by the FISK itself. And we also know that
FBI Director Chris Ray helped him cover up the Russiagate scandal.
These two individuals, along with Gina Haspell, who was chief
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of Stations for the CIA in London when Russiagate was launched,
she was the sole individual that authorized an overseas operation
to collect intelligence against the President.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Of the United States.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
These three individuals would get cabinet positions later in government,
and two of these individuals, Rod Rosenstein and Chris Ray,
would threatened Devin Nunas and I to surveil us. And
what we found out five years later is Ray and
Rosenstein actually did unlawfully surveil me, a senior congressional staffer
on Capitol Hill, for doing our job. I mean I
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followed a lawsuit on that just a week ago, and
we could talk about that later.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But the point of.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
This is, do you know now today where Gina Haspell
and Rod Rosenstein currently work. They work at Chris Faray's
old law firm. That's just one example of the cyclical
nature of the seven figure payout and how these people
stick together.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I saw a note about the number of people on
the left who had left government office and got the
right university the right think tang. This part of why
I'm writing this piece of the Spectator is it there
is an interlocking ecosystem on the left that is just massive,
and that you have somebody who writes a paper which
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then gets published by the New York Times, which then
gets used by the Justice Department. I mean, all this
stuff is circular and kind of surrounds the rest of
us in a way that is very hard to deal with.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And what they do is, once they've put out the narrative.
Underneath that narrative, as you described, they are going to
take out the personnel and the people that are contradicting
their disinformation campaign and the mainstream media.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
They don't do it alone.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
They do it in conjunction with these deep state actors,
these government gangsters. I mean, you've been on the receiving
end of some pretty severe vidrio and fake news attacks.
I have as well, and so many others that we know.
And the hope is that they will ultimately utilize law
fair unconstitutionally against us in the hopes that we just
stop talking or that we stop providing support to say
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President Trump or the America First Movement. I mean, they've
come after us with subpoenas, with trumped up charges, and
they'll never stop, and unless we take a stand and
show the American people two things. One that they are
doing this because I think educating the American people that
a deep state is not a right wing conspiracy, it's
a reality that Russia Gate actually happened, and the cover
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up happened, That Hunter Biden's laptop is real information of crimes,
that the fifty one Intel letter is another example of
election rigging, and there's a two tier system of justice
when it comes to not just Donald Trump and how
Joe Biden are treated in classified documents cases, but how
we are all treated. That permeates down to the everyday
American level. And once you have that, the deep state
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is fully mobilized to come in and go after our
communities and the conservative movement. That's what they want to do,
take out Donald Trump and recap the Conservative movement. That's
why the entrenched Republican class in Washington isn't a part
of this movement because they're working together with the deep
state actors. They are the deep State to take us out.
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And that's part of the mission of the book is
just to educate Americans that if you don't want to
be fooled again during a presidential election cycle, you have
to stop listening to the mainstream media and get your
information elsewhere, like your great publications in the American Spectator.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Rasmulsen just came out with a poll that seventy two
percent of the American people are concerned that the US
is becoming a police state, and that forty six percent
are very concerned. Do you think that's a reasonable concern.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I think it's more than reasonable.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I think one of the major issues I take up
in Government Gangsters is how the justice system and intelligence
communities have been weaponized to take out any individuals or
groups that they think are a threat to their reign
of power. And what I do in the book is layout,
chapter and verse how each agency and department has participated
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in that problem. We've talked about a few up to
this point. The one that we haven't talked about. I
think the one of the biggest culprits is the Department
of Defense and the Defense Industrial Complex. I think they
are worse than all the lobbying groups put together. They
are the reason why we are sending one hundred and
fifteen billion dollars to the Ukraine unchecked. They are the
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reason we spent two trillion dollars in Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's not a republican or democratic institution.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
The Defense industrial complex, which does a lot of good,
also does some of the most weaponized work in government.
They will entrench people who are secretaries of Defense to
come out and get their golden parachute and ten million
dollars pay day, and that cycle will continue just so
they can keep cutting the checks and getting Congress to
keep funding these efforts, and if you dare to stand
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up against them, they will come after you with this
police state.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
They will come.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
After you with their partners at DOJ or the intelligence
community and say, you know, cash Pttel is actually someone
who is an anti American or a right wing nut.
I mean, this is what these people write. And they'll
try to sue you, they'll try to subpoena you, and
they want you to spend hundreds of thousand dollars on
legal fees just so you stop putting out the truth.
And that to me, can't happen. We cannot be shut down,
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we cannot be quieted. We have to put the mission first.
And I think the fact that most people are leaving
mainstream media and listening to your Great Show and other
platforms to get their news shows us we're winning that battle,
but it's going to take some time.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
You've had such a wide range of fascinating background because
you've seen things from the standpoint of the House, the Congress,
You've seen things from the standpoint of the White House.
You've seen things from our largest bureaucracy, the Defense Department.
So you really can bring a lot to bear and
analyzing and educating the rest of us. One of the
fascinating examples was Benghazi because it both involves I think,
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deliberate dishonesty by Obama and deliberate dishonesty about Clinton. And
I know that you were deeply involved in looking at that.
What's your take on how Benghazi was handled?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I was a national security prosecutor at the Department of
Justice at the time, and I was the lead prosecutor
for Maine Justice Headquarters Division on the Benghazi prosecutions, and
to me, I thought, Wow, we have to get.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
This one right.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
This was an attack essentially on American soil in Libya
that killed an ambassador and three great service members, and
we had to go out there and get the terrorists
to do it. But I remember sitting down with an
Attorney General, Eric Holder, and briefing him on how many
terrorists we wanted to prosecute north of twenty because they
were responsible for this horrible, tragic event of murdering four Americans,
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and they wouldn't let us do it. He just said, now,
We're just going to go after this one guy and
that's it.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And I was just blown away by it.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
What also occurred out of the Bengazi scandal that I
talked about in the book, is that's where Hillary Clinton's
email scandal came from. She was Secretary of State during
that process, and when we went in there to go
look at the discovery materials to make sure the defendants
had due process, that's where that information all pulled out
of And I think that's what started it. And the
problem I had with it was that it was handled improperly,
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not just by Department of Justice and the FBI, but
that for a political reason, we let many terrorists go
because they didn't want to prosecute those individuals for some reason.
And the one individual that they did prosecute, now we're
able to fast forward and talk about it, Katala is
an individual that's going to shortly be released from prison.
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You heard that right, the individual that the one guy
that we prosecuted from Magazi got such a low level
prison sentence because this DOJ under Attorney General Holder bungled
the prosecution and wouldn't listen to the facts and the
law and politicize the Department of Justice so that I
believe they did it so that they could support a
Hillary Clinton for President narrative, because she was the leading
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candidate at the time and this happened on her watch,
and they didn't want it to go to Donald Trump,
of course, and that was the original sin for me,
that preceded Russia Gate. Even that's why I think Bengazi
is so critical. But most importantly, we failed the American people.
There are still a dozen or so people involved in
that murder, in that terrorist attack that remained free because
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the Obama administration refused to prosecute them.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Why do you think that holder did not want to
prosecute him.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I mean, he never gave me a specific reason, but
my sense of it was that it would cause too
much information to come out.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
As I alluded to the.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Hillary Clinton email saga started from the Bengaza, the prosecutions,
in the discovery process and looking at all the information
that had gone back and forth. And I also think
that remember, you know, the whole Susan Reis ordeal about
her lying to the world and saying it had to
do with some newspaper burning an effigy of the prophet
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Muhammad for those people that are of the Muslim faith,
and it was a total lie. It was a complete
and total lie. And I think the Justice Department was
weaponized to run cover for the Democratic Party. Maybe back
then people thought that was a crazy right wing talking point,
but now we know they've established a track record of it,
from Benghazi to Russia Gate, to Hunter Biden to Joe Biden,
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and any January sixth prosecution. Really we've seen not any,
but most January sixth prosecutions. We've seen their disparate treatment.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know. Part of what really changed my view of
this whole fight was reading Andy McCarthy's book Ball of Collusion,
where he says flatly that on I think it's January seventh,
twenty seventeen, Obama hosts a meeting of Justice, FBI, and
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Intelligence to talk through how to basically cripple the Trump administration.
And it hit me that, I guess because he got
such extraordinarily favorable protective coverage by the news media, Obama
is really at the heart of a lot of this.
These are his appointees, these are his decisions. Susan Rice
did not go out there without his knowing about it.
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Why do you think Obama? Well, one, do you think
I'm right that he is in fact much more culpable
than people have been saying? And two, why do you
think he gets away with it?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I do agree with you that a lot of this
starts and ends with President Obama, and it's the cyclical
nature of the deep state. You just highlighted the most
critical meeting that we analyze.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
When I was running the russ of Gate investigation.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
The one where Brennan, then the head of the CIA,
goes in and reefs Obama and his team, including Justice
Department officials, that Hillary Clinton had started this operation to
take out Donald Trump based on bogus fake intelligence. They
knew that from Jump and they Clapper Brennan, Obama, Clinton
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and company wanted to ensure that they recapped Donald Trump
on the way into the White House because they felt
that Donald Trump took away the election from them. They
the deep state were rising up to go against Donald
Trump because he knew they would be exposed. And so
I think you're one hundred percent right that it goes
to Barack Obama. As to the why and the allowed
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cover up, it's because the entrenched bureaucracy in Washington, d C.
Became so wed to Barack Obama and his presidency, and
they got so rewarded in monetary fashions, in position fashions
that they had to support whatever Obama put out there.
Case in point, just to bring this full circle, just
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this past week or the week before, Brennan and Clapper,
the two individuals who lied to Congress about surveilling the
United States Senate and about collecting metadata on American citizens.
Both of these cabinet secretaries were now just recently appointed
by the DHS Secretary of MAJORCIS to intelligence positions to
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publicly go out and speak a narrative.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That they know is false.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But they now know that Donald Trump is on the
rise again, and these two individuals, it's no surprise the
guys that launched Russiagate and the cover operation are now
being placed back in power in a public position to
take out Donald Trump, and that's exactly what they're going
to do. It's shocking to me that they still have
a security clearance. It's one of the measures that we
talk about in government answers that needs to be utilized
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to kneecap these individuals and preclude them from earning a
living once they violated.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Their constitutional oaths of office.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But it's no coincidence that these guys are back, and
it's no coincidence, you got my bottom dollar that they're
talking to President Barack Obama on how to go forward
and what they should do in the Democratic Party, because
I think they're smart enough to realize that Democrats don't
even want Joe Biden to run, and now they're figuring
out a way for the Republicans to do their dirty
work form by impeaching Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
How likely is it do you think that the fourteenth
Amendment can be used to actually keep Trump off the ballot?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Zero? If any American?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And this is a great example of how dominant the
fake news is and how dominant disinformation is. Everybody listening
to this podcast, so just open up their pocket Constitution
and read the first sentence of the fourteenth Amendment. Do
you know the only position that does not appear listed
in the fourteenth Amendment? President? The fourteenth Amendment list the
vice presidency. The fourteenth Amendment list senators, it lists House
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of Representatives and other classifications lower than that, but it
does not list the presidents of the United States. Because
our founding fathers did not want this scenario to play out.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
They didn't want a political vendetta and the.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Constitution to be used to take out someone who is
going to be running for the presidency of the United states,
they felt that decision should be adjudicated at the polls.
So this is just their as I call it, Russia
Gate twenty seven point zero. And they've got fifteen others
coming down the pike that they've already planned, be it
through George Soros funded law for actions, be it through
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the DOJ and FBI weaponization, be through the intelligence communities
politicization of its process. They are going to come out,
maybe it's the new Brennan and Clapper initiative, and figure
out another way once this fourteenth Amendment narrative dies off.
But the one thing you have to remind the audience
is the fourteenth Amendment precludes secretaries of State, that is,
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the fifty states of the United States of America from
removing anybody from the presidency of the United States.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's that simple.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You make a point in your book, which I think
is very important, that the whole notion of trials in DC,
particularly for conservatives, is crazy, because, I mean, Trump got
five percent of the vote and a jury pool would
be nineteen to one against him. I mean, how can
you talk about trial in front of your peers when
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your peers are nineteen to one? Top post you before
the trial starts. Isn't there something profoundly wrong about that?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's profoundly in my opinion on constitutional That's why there
are avenues to seek alternative jurisdictions. The United States Supreme
Court has said that in those circumstances, when a jury
pool is so tainted and you cannot receive a fair chury,
the Constitution mandates a fair jurisdiction of fair venue. And
the Department of Justice, just like Merrik Garland, when he
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lied last week to Congress under oath again about his
handling of the Hunter Biden case and his involvement in
the Trump prosecutions, it reminded me that the DOJ has
been blurting out massive disinformation campaigns from the Wealth of
Congress for years. They keep saying, oh, it's long standing
DOJ principle. Well, when does principle trump the law the
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Constitution of the United States? And I was just shocked
to learn that we've gone on for decades allowing dj
to get away with that statement. And in my book,
I call for the Department of Justices regulations to be changed,
which is very easy to do. Any Attorney general can
do it and say that these cases, these politicize these
weaponized cases.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Need if they are going to be brought.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't think they're brought lawfully, but if they're going
to be brought, need to be subjected to a change
of venue or bringing in another jurisdiction far far away
from Washington, DC. It's very easy to do. People think
it's unlawful, which is not the truth. And when you
have an Attorney General and an FBI director who repeatedly
tell Americans that it's long standing department policy to do
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things this way, I think that is a grotesque violation
of the Constitution, but a tool that the deep State
keeps in their back pocket to utilize all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I want to thank you. I've always enjoyed since I
think it was Vince Haley first introduced us, back when
he was a speech writer and you were operating in
the old Executive Office building. And you're amazingly smart, and
you are hardworking, and you've proven again and again you're
very courageous. Your book, Government Gangsters is an important book.
I have pre ordered it, and I encourage everyone to
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go and order it. We really are going to do
all weekend to make sure people realize that Government Gangsters
the Deep State. The Truth and the Battle for Democracy
is a key read in terms of the fight that
we're now in, and I want to thank you. I'm
grateful you would take this time to be with us now.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Mister speaker. I'm very humbled. Thank you for having me
on your show. As a younger conservative, I would look
up to your leadership. And it's just really cool for
me to now be face to face and talking about
a book that I wrote.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Never thought a day like that would come. So thank
you for.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Your generous time and your appreciation of our movement.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Or We're going to see each other soon.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Thank you to my guest, Cash Patel. You can get
a link to buy his new book, Government Gangsters on
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Newt Gingrich. This is Newtsworld.
On this episode of News World, the highest levels of
government have been infiltrated by an anti democratic deep state
that can be defeated by refocusing our national security mission
and relentlessly defending the truth. In his new book, Government Gangsters,
Cash Patel, a former top official in the White House,
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the Department of Defense, the Intelligence community, and the Department
of Justice, pulls back the curtain on the deep State,
revealing the major players and tactics within the permanent government bureaucracy,
which has spent decades stripping power away from the American
people and their elected leaders. Based on his first hand knowledge,
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Patel reveals how he can defeat the deep state, reassert
self government, and restore our democracy. Here to talk about
his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome back my guest,
Cash Patel is the Chief of Staff to the Department
of Defense, where his responsibilities included implementing the Secretary of
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Defense's mission involving three million plus employees, a seven hundred
and forty billion dollar budget, and two trillion dollars in assets.
Prior to his experience of the Pentagon, mister Pateel served
as Deputy Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
counter Terrorism on the National Security Council. Cash. Welcome and
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thank you for joining me again on News World.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Mister speaker, it's great to be with you today. Thank
you for having me on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, I'm curious, as I remember your parents wanted you
to become a medical doctor, but instead he became a
defense attorney. I mean, how did that happen?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Best laid plan, sir?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So I went to college and I went to see
my school counselor on day of college and I said,
I guess I'm pre med. And he laid out the
next eight years of my life for me on that day,
and I said, I don't think that's for me. And
I just sort of followed whatever interested me there after,
and the law was what seemed to be it and
that's what led me there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I was told that part of your transition into being
a defense lawyer came from being a caddy at the
Garden City Country Club. How did that intersection work?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You do your homework, mister speaker.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, so you know I caddied from when I was
thirteen to twenty one to help pay for college and
the foursome that I would caddy for on a regular
basis at this country club on Long Island were all
private criminal defense attorneys, and I thought their stories were
really cool about how they would go to court and
do these trials and have these exciting cases. And in
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the back of my mind, I guess it just sort
of settled there for a while that I found that
really interesting. But I never thought I would become a
public defender. I thought I would become the private defense
attorney guy, and that just never happened.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So I'm curious when you wrote Government Gangsters, and I
remember talking with you both in your White House Spirit
and then a Defense Weapon and you know, an immense amount.
But Government Gangsters was delayed in publishing because the Defense
Department was holding on to it to make sure no
classified information got out, and you ended up having to
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sue to get the book out. Was this a deliberate
dragging their feet to try to block the book from
coming out.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
In my opinion as speaker, I think what they wanted
was a blockade to prevent the manuscript from coming out
because they don't want the things printed and that I
put in there, and they use typical government excuses like, oh,
we sent it out, it's being reviewed DJ, FBI, dd NSA,
everybody's got to look at this thing. And I said,
I understand the process, but.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It usually takes two to three months.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So I actually knew they weren't going to move until
we took them to federal court. So I sued the
Biden administration and all the agencies and departments to release
my manuscript. And wouldn't you know, within weeks after our lawsuit,
they came back and they said, oh, it's good to
go now, and they only redacted point zero five percent
of my book. It's literally the same six words eight
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times over.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It was laughable.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
That was it?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So how long did it take them to find these
six words?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Knowing what the six words are and having my background,
my attorneys and I found it so hysterical that they
pick these words because they are not classified whatsoever. It
just points to the name of an entity that's already
in the public sector and sphere. And I think that's
what they utilized in front of the court to justify
their delay. In the nine months preceding the lawsuit, the FBI,
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which I'm very critical of in the book, and Chris
Ray had had the manuscript for nine months and they
hadn't looked at it. But once I filed the lawsuit,
they cleared my manuscript without redactions in twenty four hours,
so we know they were just playing games to prevent
the release of the information in there.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Were you surprised? First when you were at the House
Intelligence Committee and then when you were at State in Defense?
Was the deep state a lot bigger thing than you expected?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Way more?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean, I just thought in my entire tenure in
government service some sixteen years, there was going to be
some bad actors along the way. We've always seen some
level of government corruption, but I thought it was a
one off here and there. And then when Devin Nunez
brought me on to run the Russiagate investigation after my
tenure at the Justice Department, my first in at DoD
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and Intelligence, I was floored. As a national security prosecutor
who used the FISA process in the seven or two
process to manhunt terrorist around the world. I was absolutely
besides myself that a deep Department of Justice would use
that process to investigate a presidential campaign and his surrogates.
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And then when I dug into it, I couldn't believe
how many people had gotten together to lie to a
federal court. The fies a court just so that they
could get the surveillance warn't up. And the thing I
guess as a former public defender that shocked me the
most was the amount of evidence of innocence, of exculpatory
evidence these individuals at DOJ and FBI had excluded from
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the warrant application itself, which launched the entire rustigate thing.
And if that weren't bad enough, I thought, wow, look
at that deep state. The deep state that came in
behind those individuals during the Trump administration to cover up
and I'm talking about Republicans to cover it all up was.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Even more shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
We ended up fighting them more than I fought the
Democrats and the deep staters that were committing this conduct.
I didn't think in the United States of America that
was possible, but that's what we uncovered.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I've recently started a series at The American Spectator going
all the way back to World War Two and the
Soviet penetration of the system to try to outline the
depths behind how we got to the current constitutional crisis.
And it strikes me that it really is a constitutional crisis.
When you were working for an administration which the bureaucracy
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was actively trying to undermine and weaken, despite the fact
that the American people had elected it. I mean, didn't
you find that sort of stunning from.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
A constitutional perspective? You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
How is it that Donald Trump in during his administration,
his appointed attorney general, his appointed FBI director, his appointed
Secretary of Defense, and so many others. I would go
into interagency meetings to execute the president's lawful authorities to
issue the national security mission, whether it was hostage rescue,
wiping out terrorists, taking out enemies, and ending the forever wars.
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These individuals would come into the room and say they
had the mandate to block a lawful authority of the
President of the United States. And I found that equally
as shocking as I found the deep state. But then
I dug a little deeper, and I was trying to
figure out, why would you block the commander in chief's order?
And it's the one thing that a lot of these
government gangsters in Washington, DC have in common. They are
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always looking out for each other and the institutions they serve,
rather than doing the job. And President Trump the unique
ability that he had when he came in, was he
not only promised and campaigned on doing things on the
national security front, like securing the border and ending the
war in Afghanistan and taking out terras, he did them
and in a shockingly high percentage. And I think that
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turned these individuals at the top against him because they
didn't like his personality or they didn't like his style,
and they continued this deep so they continued to ncap
his administration for almost two years with just the Russia
Gate investigation and stuff. I mean, we have to remind people,
but John Durham and our investigation on Capitol Hill found
was there was no lawful authority to ever investigate Donald
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Trump in the first place. But we now know, and
it's in the book, that the NSA was given a
contract to actually tunnel into Donald Trump's White House and
exploit email.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Traffic that was going in and out of there.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, this is what these people signed off on
because they were so healt and bent on trying to
find out information that didn't exist so they could satisfy
the media. And that was a big problem was the
media who hated Donald Trump, and they were trying to
just serve them rather than serve their duties under the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
As the U.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Outline, isn't there an almost incestuous relationship between the deep
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state and the news media. When I look, for example,
every study I've seen about the Russian hoax, you actually
see FBI agents and intelligence agents giving the New York
Times the World Post stuff it's totally false, but that
they're eager to print.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, and what we track in government, gangsters and elsewhere
is the coordinated leaks. One of the themes of the
book is that I don't believe there are any coincidences
in government, and there is no deep state without the
mainstream media, especially the DOJ and FBI, DoD during Russia
Gate and during other events, leaked classified information to the media.
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Just look at bad actors like Adam Schiffen company too
in Congress. So it's not just in the executive branch
to uphold narratives that they wanted to take out Donald Trump. Ie,
Donald Trump is a Russian asset. We know that's completely false,
but half of the United States of America thought that
was the case, and a lot of them still do
because they watched.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
The mainstream media.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
A lot of the mainstream media also lied about the
DOJ and FBI's conduct during Russia Gate to the fights
of court, and now we know and equivocally that they
lied to get that application up and running. And the
problem we run into is when you stack these mainstream
media narratives together that were authored by these deep state actors,
people get past the truth, and two three years later,
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when they learn about it, the mainstream media is coming
up with their next iteration of an election rigging scam,
like the fifty one intelligence letter on Hunter Biden's laptop
is just one example. And for me, that was the
most undemocratic, unconstitutional thing I'd ever seen. And by the way,
that's what spawned the two tier system of justice. Nobody
that leaked classified information unlawfully was ever prosecuted for this
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five year window. And now you see what's happening to
Donald Trump today and the disparate treatment by the Attorney
General in the FBI of him versus what so many
in the deep state did. They got away with because
they wanted to take out Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
To what extent do the anti Trump Republicans not understand
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I think they well understand it. I think what they're
trying to do is take them out. I think they
the entrenched class. And as part of a big problem
of the government gangsters is the folks that go into government,
into these high level positions, then kareem out of government
and get a golden parachute back into say the.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Defense industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's a very cyclical problem, and I think they're very
aware of the ethos they have is Washington, DC exists
to serve us, not Donald Trump and his mission that
when he put America first.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And I'll give you a primetime example.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
We know that Rod Rosenstein, as the acting Attorney General,
signed the most bogus PAISA warrant, one that was actually
rescinded by the FISK itself. And we also know that
FBI Director Chris Ray helped him cover up the Russiagate scandal.
These two individuals, along with Gina Haspell, who was chief
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of Stations for the CIA in London when Russiagate was launched,
she was the sole individual that authorized an overseas operation
to collect intelligence against the President.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Of the United States.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
These three individuals would get cabinet positions later in government,
and two of these individuals, Rod Rosenstein and Chris Ray,
would threatened Devin Nunas and I to surveil us. And
what we found out five years later is Ray and
Rosenstein actually did unlawfully surveil me, a senior congressional staffer
on Capitol Hill, for doing our job. I mean I
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followed a lawsuit on that just a week ago, and
we could talk about that later.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But the point of.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
This is, do you know now today where Gina Haspell
and Rod Rosenstein currently work. They work at Chris Faray's
old law firm. That's just one example of the cyclical
nature of the seven figure payout and how these people
stick together.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I saw a note about the number of people on
the left who had left government office and got the
right university the right think tang. This part of why
I'm writing this piece of the Spectator is it there
is an interlocking ecosystem on the left that is just massive,
and that you have somebody who writes a paper which
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then gets published by the New York Times, which then
gets used by the Justice Department. I mean, all this
stuff is circular and kind of surrounds the rest of
us in a way that is very hard to deal with.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And what they do is, once they've put out the narrative.
Underneath that narrative, as you described, they are going to
take out the personnel and the people that are contradicting
their disinformation campaign and the mainstream media.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
They don't do it alone.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
They do it in conjunction with these deep state actors,
these government gangsters. I mean, you've been on the receiving
end of some pretty severe vidrio and fake news attacks.
I have as well, and so many others that we know.
And the hope is that they will ultimately utilize law
fair unconstitutionally against us in the hopes that we just
stop talking or that we stop providing support to say
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President Trump or the America First Movement. I mean, they've
come after us with subpoenas, with trumped up charges, and
they'll never stop, and unless we take a stand and
show the American people two things. One that they are
doing this because I think educating the American people that
a deep state is not a right wing conspiracy, it's
a reality that Russia Gate actually happened, and the cover
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up happened, That Hunter Biden's laptop is real information of crimes,
that the fifty one Intel letter is another example of
election rigging, and there's a two tier system of justice
when it comes to not just Donald Trump and how
Joe Biden are treated in classified documents cases, but how
we are all treated. That permeates down to the everyday
American level. And once you have that, the deep state
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is fully mobilized to come in and go after our
communities and the conservative movement. That's what they want to do,
take out Donald Trump and recap the Conservative movement. That's
why the entrenched Republican class in Washington isn't a part
of this movement because they're working together with the deep
state actors. They are the deep State to take us out.
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And that's part of the mission of the book is
just to educate Americans that if you don't want to
be fooled again during a presidential election cycle, you have
to stop listening to the mainstream media and get your
information elsewhere, like your great publications in the American Spectator.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Rasmulsen just came out with a poll that seventy two
percent of the American people are concerned that the US
is becoming a police state, and that forty six percent
are very concerned. Do you think that's a reasonable concern.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I think it's more than reasonable.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I think one of the major issues I take up
in Government Gangsters is how the justice system and intelligence
communities have been weaponized to take out any individuals or
groups that they think are a threat to their reign
of power. And what I do in the book is layout,
chapter and verse how each agency and department has participated
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in that problem. We've talked about a few up to
this point. The one that we haven't talked about. I
think the one of the biggest culprits is the Department
of Defense and the Defense Industrial Complex. I think they
are worse than all the lobbying groups put together. They
are the reason why we are sending one hundred and
fifteen billion dollars to the Ukraine unchecked. They are the
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reason we spent two trillion dollars in Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's not a republican or democratic institution.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
The Defense industrial complex, which does a lot of good,
also does some of the most weaponized work in government.
They will entrench people who are secretaries of Defense to
come out and get their golden parachute and ten million
dollars pay day, and that cycle will continue just so
they can keep cutting the checks and getting Congress to
keep funding these efforts, and if you dare to stand
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up against them, they will come after you with this
police state.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
They will come.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
After you with their partners at DOJ or the intelligence
community and say, you know, cash Pttel is actually someone
who is an anti American or a right wing nut.
I mean, this is what these people write. And they'll
try to sue you, they'll try to subpoena you, and
they want you to spend hundreds of thousand dollars on
legal fees just so you stop putting out the truth.
And that to me, can't happen. We cannot be shut down,
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we cannot be quieted. We have to put the mission first.
And I think the fact that most people are leaving
mainstream media and listening to your Great Show and other
platforms to get their news shows us we're winning that battle,
but it's going to take some time.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
You've had such a wide range of fascinating background because
you've seen things from the standpoint of the House, the Congress,
You've seen things from the standpoint of the White House.
You've seen things from our largest bureaucracy, the Defense Department.
So you really can bring a lot to bear and
analyzing and educating the rest of us. One of the
fascinating examples was Benghazi because it both involves I think,
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deliberate dishonesty by Obama and deliberate dishonesty about Clinton. And
I know that you were deeply involved in looking at that.
What's your take on how Benghazi was handled?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I was a national security prosecutor at the Department of
Justice at the time, and I was the lead prosecutor
for Maine Justice Headquarters Division on the Benghazi prosecutions, and
to me, I thought, Wow, we have to get.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
This one right.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
This was an attack essentially on American soil in Libya
that killed an ambassador and three great service members, and
we had to go out there and get the terrorists
to do it. But I remember sitting down with an
Attorney General, Eric Holder, and briefing him on how many
terrorists we wanted to prosecute north of twenty because they
were responsible for this horrible, tragic event of murdering four Americans,
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and they wouldn't let us do it. He just said, now,
We're just going to go after this one guy and
that's it.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And I was just blown away by it.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
What also occurred out of the Bengazi scandal that I
talked about in the book, is that's where Hillary Clinton's
email scandal came from. She was Secretary of State during
that process, and when we went in there to go
look at the discovery materials to make sure the defendants
had due process, that's where that information all pulled out
of And I think that's what started it. And the
problem I had with it was that it was handled improperly,
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not just by Department of Justice and the FBI, but
that for a political reason, we let many terrorists go
because they didn't want to prosecute those individuals for some reason.
And the one individual that they did prosecute, now we're
able to fast forward and talk about it, Katala is
an individual that's going to shortly be released from prison.
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You heard that right, the individual that the one guy
that we prosecuted from Magazi got such a low level
prison sentence because this DOJ under Attorney General Holder bungled
the prosecution and wouldn't listen to the facts and the
law and politicize the Department of Justice so that I
believe they did it so that they could support a
Hillary Clinton for President narrative, because she was the leading
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candidate at the time and this happened on her watch,
and they didn't want it to go to Donald Trump,
of course, and that was the original sin for me,
that preceded Russia Gate. Even that's why I think Bengazi
is so critical. But most importantly, we failed the American people.
There are still a dozen or so people involved in
that murder, in that terrorist attack that remained free because
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the Obama administration refused to prosecute them.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Why do you think that holder did not want to
prosecute him.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I mean, he never gave me a specific reason, but
my sense of it was that it would cause too
much information to come out.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
As I alluded to the.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Hillary Clinton email saga started from the Bengaza, the prosecutions,
in the discovery process and looking at all the information
that had gone back and forth. And I also think
that remember, you know, the whole Susan Reis ordeal about
her lying to the world and saying it had to
do with some newspaper burning an effigy of the prophet
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Muhammad for those people that are of the Muslim faith,
and it was a total lie. It was a complete
and total lie. And I think the Justice Department was
weaponized to run cover for the Democratic Party. Maybe back
then people thought that was a crazy right wing talking point,
but now we know they've established a track record of it,
from Benghazi to Russia Gate, to Hunter Biden to Joe Biden,
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and any January sixth prosecution. Really we've seen not any,
but most January sixth prosecutions. We've seen their disparate treatment.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know. Part of what really changed my view of
this whole fight was reading Andy McCarthy's book Ball of Collusion,
where he says flatly that on I think it's January seventh,
twenty seventeen, Obama hosts a meeting of Justice, FBI, and
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Intelligence to talk through how to basically cripple the Trump administration.
And it hit me that, I guess because he got
such extraordinarily favorable protective coverage by the news media, Obama
is really at the heart of a lot of this.
These are his appointees, these are his decisions. Susan Rice
did not go out there without his knowing about it.
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Why do you think Obama? Well, one, do you think
I'm right that he is in fact much more culpable
than people have been saying? And two, why do you
think he gets away with it?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I do agree with you that a lot of this
starts and ends with President Obama, and it's the cyclical
nature of the deep state. You just highlighted the most
critical meeting that we analyze.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
When I was running the russ of Gate investigation.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
The one where Brennan, then the head of the CIA,
goes in and reefs Obama and his team, including Justice
Department officials, that Hillary Clinton had started this operation to
take out Donald Trump based on bogus fake intelligence. They
knew that from Jump and they Clapper Brennan, Obama, Clinton
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and company wanted to ensure that they recapped Donald Trump
on the way into the White House because they felt
that Donald Trump took away the election from them. They
the deep state were rising up to go against Donald
Trump because he knew they would be exposed. And so
I think you're one hundred percent right that it goes
to Barack Obama. As to the why and the allowed
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cover up, it's because the entrenched bureaucracy in Washington, d C.
Became so wed to Barack Obama and his presidency, and
they got so rewarded in monetary fashions, in position fashions
that they had to support whatever Obama put out there.
Case in point, just to bring this full circle, just
(25:01):
this past week or the week before, Brennan and Clapper,
the two individuals who lied to Congress about surveilling the
United States Senate and about collecting metadata on American citizens.
Both of these cabinet secretaries were now just recently appointed
by the DHS Secretary of MAJORCIS to intelligence positions to
(25:24):
publicly go out and speak a narrative.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That they know is false.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But they now know that Donald Trump is on the
rise again, and these two individuals, it's no surprise the
guys that launched Russiagate and the cover operation are now
being placed back in power in a public position to
take out Donald Trump, and that's exactly what they're going
to do. It's shocking to me that they still have
a security clearance. It's one of the measures that we
talk about in government answers that needs to be utilized
(25:50):
to kneecap these individuals and preclude them from earning a
living once they violated.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Their constitutional oaths of office.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But it's no coincidence that these guys are back, and
it's no coincidence, you got my bottom dollar that they're
talking to President Barack Obama on how to go forward
and what they should do in the Democratic Party, because
I think they're smart enough to realize that Democrats don't
even want Joe Biden to run, and now they're figuring
out a way for the Republicans to do their dirty
work form by impeaching Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
How likely is it do you think that the fourteenth
Amendment can be used to actually keep Trump off the ballot?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Zero? If any American?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And this is a great example of how dominant the
fake news is and how dominant disinformation is. Everybody listening
to this podcast, so just open up their pocket Constitution
and read the first sentence of the fourteenth Amendment. Do
you know the only position that does not appear listed
in the fourteenth Amendment? President? The fourteenth Amendment list the
vice presidency. The fourteenth Amendment list senators, it lists House
(26:50):
of Representatives and other classifications lower than that, but it
does not list the presidents of the United States. Because
our founding fathers did not want this scenario to play out.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
They didn't want a political vendetta and the.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Constitution to be used to take out someone who is
going to be running for the presidency of the United states,
they felt that decision should be adjudicated at the polls.
So this is just their as I call it, Russia
Gate twenty seven point zero. And they've got fifteen others
coming down the pike that they've already planned, be it
through George Soros funded law for actions, be it through
(27:25):
the DOJ and FBI weaponization, be through the intelligence communities
politicization of its process. They are going to come out,
maybe it's the new Brennan and Clapper initiative, and figure
out another way once this fourteenth Amendment narrative dies off.
But the one thing you have to remind the audience
is the fourteenth Amendment precludes secretaries of State, that is,
(27:46):
the fifty states of the United States of America from
removing anybody from the presidency of the United States.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's that simple.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You make a point in your book, which I think
is very important, that the whole notion of trials in DC,
particularly for conservatives, is crazy, because, I mean, Trump got
five percent of the vote and a jury pool would
be nineteen to one against him. I mean, how can
you talk about trial in front of your peers when
(28:15):
your peers are nineteen to one? Top post you before
the trial starts. Isn't there something profoundly wrong about that?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's profoundly in my opinion on constitutional That's why there
are avenues to seek alternative jurisdictions. The United States Supreme
Court has said that in those circumstances, when a jury
pool is so tainted and you cannot receive a fair chury,
the Constitution mandates a fair jurisdiction of fair venue. And
the Department of Justice, just like Merrik Garland, when he
(28:44):
lied last week to Congress under oath again about his
handling of the Hunter Biden case and his involvement in
the Trump prosecutions, it reminded me that the DOJ has
been blurting out massive disinformation campaigns from the Wealth of
Congress for years. They keep saying, oh, it's long standing
DOJ principle. Well, when does principle trump the law the
(29:07):
Constitution of the United States? And I was just shocked
to learn that we've gone on for decades allowing dj
to get away with that statement. And in my book,
I call for the Department of Justices regulations to be changed,
which is very easy to do. Any Attorney general can
do it and say that these cases, these politicize these
weaponized cases.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Need if they are going to be brought.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't think they're brought lawfully, but if they're going
to be brought, need to be subjected to a change
of venue or bringing in another jurisdiction far far away
from Washington, DC. It's very easy to do. People think
it's unlawful, which is not the truth. And when you
have an Attorney General and an FBI director who repeatedly
tell Americans that it's long standing department policy to do
(29:50):
things this way, I think that is a grotesque violation
of the Constitution, but a tool that the deep State
keeps in their back pocket to utilize all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I want to thank you. I've always enjoyed since I
think it was Vince Haley first introduced us, back when
he was a speech writer and you were operating in
the old Executive Office building. And you're amazingly smart, and
you are hardworking, and you've proven again and again you're
very courageous. Your book, Government Gangsters is an important book.
I have pre ordered it, and I encourage everyone to
(30:24):
go and order it. We really are going to do
all weekend to make sure people realize that Government Gangsters
the Deep State. The Truth and the Battle for Democracy
is a key read in terms of the fight that
we're now in, and I want to thank you. I'm
grateful you would take this time to be with us now.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Mister speaker. I'm very humbled. Thank you for having me
on your show. As a younger conservative, I would look
up to your leadership. And it's just really cool for
me to now be face to face and talking about
a book that I wrote.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Never thought a day like that would come. So thank
you for.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Your generous time and your appreciation of our movement.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Or We're going to see each other soon.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Thank you to my guest, Cash Patel. You can get
a link to buy his new book, Government Gangsters on
our show page at newtsworld dot com. News World is
produced by Gingrich three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer
is Guarnsey Sloan. Our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The artwork
for the show was created by Steve Penley. Special thanks
(31:29):
to the team at gingridh three sixty. If you've been
enjoying Newtsworld, I hope you'll go to Apple Podcasts and
both rate us with five stars and give us a review.
So others can learn what it's all about. Right now,
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(31:49):
Newt Gingrich. This is Newtsworld.
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