August 10, 2025 • 32 mins
Newt talks with Senator Tim Scott about his new book, “One Nation Always Under God: Profiles in Christian Courage,” which highlights the influence of Christian values on America's foundational institutions and the courage of historical figures who persevered through faith. Their conversation touches on Scott's personal journey from poverty to becoming a United States Senator, emphasizing the power of dreams, imagination, and hard work. Scott shares insights on the importance of family, faith, and the American spirit, while also addressing contemporary issues such as federal spending and economic policies. They conclude by discussing Scott's recent marriage and the role of humility in public service.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
On this episode of News World. From our founding fathers
to today's heroes of faith, Christianity has been the bedrock
of our nation's greatness. In his new book, One Nation,
Always under God, Profiles and Christian Courage, South Carolina Senator
Tim Scott shows how Christian values forged our legal system,
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educational institutions, healthcare, social services, and more. Senator Scott reminds
us that we stand on the shoulders of giants, courageous
Christians who face seemingly insurmountable odds yet persevered through faith.
One Nation, Always under God is more than a history lesson.
It is a rallying cry for all who believe that
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America's promise is rooted in timeless biblical principles. Here to
talk about his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome
my guest, Senator Tim Scott. He is a New York
Times bestselling author, successful small businessman, and United States Senator
from South Carolina. He is the first African American to
be elected to both the US House of Representatives and
the US Senate, and he is someone I've considered a
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friend for twenty five years. Tim, Welcome and thank you
for joining me on new twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Mister Spiker, thank you for allowing me to be your guest.
It's been exciting to be your friend for more than
twenty five years. When we go back to my county
council days, your impact and influence we were talking off air.
You've given me such jewels, little nuggets of wisdom that
it made me a better public servant to be honest
with you as well as is a better person. Thank
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you very much for your contribution to my life.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You are one of the people I'm proud to know
because I've watched you continue to grow all the way
through this experience, and now as both chairman of an
important committee and as head of the Senator campaign Committee,
you're really playing a significant national role in the future
of this country. But before we go to your book,
which I think is very timely and very important, I
watched the other day with you and President Trump visiting
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the Federal Reserve building construction site, which some estimates are
we're going to cost between two point five and three billion,
which was well above the one point nine billion originally estimated.
What was that visiit like.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know, I'll be honest with you. It was a
frustrating renovation visit. It started back during one of the
hearings need to be honest with you, We do a
semi annual hearing with Jay Powell, the Chair of the
Federal Reserve, and I was going through these renovation projects
and why we needed a beautiful beehive garden at the
top of the building, Why do we need these very
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exclusive private elevators and exclusive dining halls for public servants,
And he pushed back and said it just wasn't true.
And I was a little astonished by the arrogance to
be rank with you, and I had my staff take
a look very quickly, and they found the page that
each of the renovations was on. And that led to
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this explosion where it got a lot of attention, and
President Trump decided he wanted to visit the FED and
we went together, and as we visited the renovations, frankly,
the chair of the FED doubled down on the renovation
well over hundreds of millions of dollars over budget, when
the average family is sitting at a kitchen table trying
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to figure out how to bring those two ends together.
And it was a frustrating visit, and President Trump pulls
out of his pocket, real time information to say that
the actual cost of the renovations is about three point
one billion dollars. And he reflected that just a few
years earlier he had purchased a post office, did a
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magnificent job renovating that building for about two hundred million
dollar And you could just feel the tension in the room,
as they say it, you could cut the tension with
a knife. It was a powerful scene. It was captured, thankfully,
and much of the country was able to watch this
conversation unfold between the three of us, and I reinforced
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the fact that the numbers I have received only suggest
that the renovation costs are several hundred million overcosts well
over three billion dollars, and nothing in sight suggests it's
coming down. What do you think happened asleep at the
wheel some of it? To be honest with you, it's
better to have a construction manager running such a massive
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project than someone else. And frankly, I'm sure they have
construction workers, they have a general contractor, but you need
someone on your side who's watching the details of really
important and from my perspective, the TODJMA Hall of Construction
happening on the dime, so to speak. It's not the
federal dollar, but it is the interest that is accruing
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at the FED that creates the revenue stream. But at
the end of the day, the public is paying for it,
one way or the other. And at a time when
most families cannot afford lavish renovation projects.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You know, it's centially long before he was a candidate.
I ended up walking through a building with then the citizen,
Donald Trump, and he's explaining construction. The degree to which
he understands all this is just amazing. And in that sense,
whatever problem may know about finance, he knows nothing about
construction compared to Donald Trump. There's also the sense that
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the FED that the money's around them. They have no
sense of a budget, no sense of any kind of frugality.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Not at all. And part of the challenge. You look
at something as small as the CFPB that gets his
transfers from the Federal Reserve, and they were getting so
much money from the federals ave nearly a billion dollars,
which sounds like chump change, but it's real money in
the eyes of every day America's like me and you,
And what were they doing with the money. They were
literally terrifying small businesses. They were making data requests and
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rings and rings of paper from small businesses, and they
were punishing people for doing the right thing and then
ultimately deciding nothing happening bad there. We just wanted to
waste hundreds of thousands of dollars from a small business
and hundreds of hours as well. But the Federal Reserve
on steroids operating in a very similar fashion. Think about
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something we all know about in the financial footprint called
BOSEL three. It was brought to the table first by
Michael Barr, the feice Chair of Supervision at the FED,
and J. Powell sat there silently and said, okay, let's
go ahead and raise the capital requirements on banks, which
of course reduces the capital flow for small businesses, for
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first time home buyers, and for finding credit in the marketplace.
When we know that our financial system is safe, they've
all passed to stress tests, we find ourselves asking the
question why is there so much capital part on the
sidelines instead of being invested in America's future. The answer
is the FED was asleep at the wheel. That's why
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under President Trump he's been so focused on lowering interest rates.
We're at full employment about four point two percent, our
prices are stable, inflation under three percent. Only thing to
do to catch this thing on fire called our economy
in a good way is to lower our interest rates
and give President Trump more tools to fire up the economy.
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Instead of doing that, we're focusing on an over the
budget renovation project, and President Trump would rather spend his time,
my time, and your time talking about how interest rates
are coming down, jobs are going up, wages are going up.
But instead of having that really important conversation, we're frustrated
by someone doubling down on FED renovations.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Which goes against the whole spirit of the American people
right now, which is to be more frugal, to spending
under control, and to move back towards the balanced budget.
But let me move on, because you have an important book,
and knowing you as well as I do, you are
more appropriate to write this than almost anybody in public life.
One Nation, Always under God profiles and Christian courage? What
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led you to write the book?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The last two years I've been working on One Nation,
Always under God, available right now at Amazon dot Com.
I've decided to write the book because so often in
modern America, it seems like we're focusing on the wrong
people doing the wrong things. Think about the mayor oald
candidate in New York, in Minneapolis, think about the guy
who just wanted to Seattle. Why in the world is
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this lurch towards socialism? I think because we're celebrating to
many of the wrong people, too much of the wrong things.
How do we get our focus back on the right things.
You said it so well. The potential of this country
is understanding our foundation. It's not merely studying history, is
understanding how history can apply to our future. And my
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book One Nation Always under God distills these amazing profiles
in courage that have influence and impact, and not only America,
but the entire world when ordinary people respond to the
extraordinary God that we serve in measurable ways. They pray
about it, but then they do something equally as important.
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They act on what they see. Rather you Dorothea Dick's
tackling the mental health challenges, or frankly most of us
know Francis Scott Key thinking about the battle that occurred
at Fort McHenry, thinking about nineteen British ships pummeling Fort McHenry,
and you think about what he was looking for, some
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sign that our flag was still there. This is a
powerful story. Most of us know the name, but we
don't know the battle. We don't know the reason for
the worl words. I think when you understand that, you
say to yourself, I want to be a part of
the story that unfolds for the future of America. I'm
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really interested in seeing this next generation that is more
committed to the country, more interested in faith than we
ever hope that they would be. Let's give them the
tools and the stories and frankly the mentors of the
past to forge the greatest future of the American promise
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that is still there to be taken advantage of.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
One of the keys to one nation always under God
is your grandmother and your mother. That it's a very
family shaped core beliefs. Can you talk a little bit
about those two amazing women.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Thank you so much. I'll say this, my mother and
my grandmother always focused on family, and when you hear
me talk, I'll talk a lot about the American family.
Not just America as a nation, not as a power,
but as a family. When we see ourselves as a family,
there's this interconnectivity that is a necessary component to understand family.
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You don't always like everybody all the time, but you
love them, You're willing to give your life for them.
And that's the kind of a nation I have the
blessing of growing up in. I'm a part of this
American family. And my grandmother, even though she grew up
in very segregated times in South Carolina, she still believed.
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She had this thought that the potential of this nation
would be realized during her lifetime or her child's lifetime,
and as a result, she taught me to pray that
God would be the God of the breakthrough, so to speak,
and she believed that all things would become more and
more possible. She taught my mother that, and my mother
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as a result, you can read in the book One
Nahould Always under God the lessons of these two powerful
women in my life. She taught me that you could
be a victim or you can be victorious, but you
can't be both. We and the Scott family have decided
we will be victorious and not a victim. And the
way we do that is by trusting God and going
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to work, work hard, work long, and the results will
be in your favor. It is a powerful recipe for good.
It has changed the course of history. Good people like
William Lloyd Garrison, who was an abolitionist. He fought tooth
and nail for the freedom of black people in America
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during his time. He believed that in order to be
a good Christian he had to fight that all men
all women would be free. As a result, we see
ourselves becoming that more perfect union. It is a tremendous
story of a person that almost lost his life because
he believed so fervently in freedom that he was willing
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to surrender his for the freedom of millions of people.
You can think of the same battle that Dorothea Dix
did as relates to the mental health condition of our society.
She saw an opportunity to restore dignity and respect to
hundreds of thousands of people who had been committed to
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an assain asylum. She thought the conditions were terrible and disgusting.
She made a revolutionary decision to make her personal mission
to change that. David Green, the founder of hobby lobby
in our modern times. He went to work and prayed
his way through financial hardship and struggle. He worked his
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way in long hours to give his family and our
name something that is an enduring brand called hobby Lobby.
How did he get there? Well, that story is available
to you and One Nation, Always under God, available today
at Amazon dot Com, but more importantly, is available once
you read it for your future. You two can be
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the answer to other people's problems. And it happens over
and over and over again. Jim Lovell Apollo thirteen, astronaut
two hundred thousand miles away from Earth. When things go wrong,
he looked up because he knew what to do, and
he knew what was right, and as a result, he
saved the lives of the astronauts who were lost nearly
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in space.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You and I were walking in Charleston one day and
you pointed out that the largest slave auction site is
now a historic site in Charleston. Then you think about
the whole tragedy of slavery and the gradual still tragedy
of segregation, and then you where your generation has come.
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It seems we have to have some sense of hope
for this country. But you used two keywords I think
that I think are fascinating. One is the power of dreams,
and the other is the importance of imagination. Talk about
that in the context of your own life and your
family's life.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
When I was a kid growing up at a single
parent household in poverty, I'll tell you I would lay
in my bed, I would just dream about ways to
escape poverty. For me, a mid football playing for the
Dallas Cowboys. I would have these real big dreams about yes,
scoring touchdowns and evading tacklers and being able to stiff
arm someone on the left and running to the right
and then dodging into the middle and cutting across the
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grain and touchdown. And it was like I would relive
that dream over and over again, or catching a pass.
My dreams were really my way of escaping the scarcity
that surrounded me at the time. I learned that I
could be free in my dreams even if I could
not have all that my friends and schoolmates had. My
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mother taught me this thing called Proverbs twenty nine to
eighteen is a beautiful verse. It says without a vision,
people perished, it cast off for strain. In other words,
sometimes you just stop trying, and you live on the
wrong side of the proverbial tracks, not just the literal tracs,
and the wrong side of the proverbial tracks is when
you believe that all things are not possible, that you
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were born in the wrong time, in the wrong place.
Guess what you can't change any of that. You can't
shout about the things that you can't change. But what
you can do is get excited about the things that
you can change, and thank God for a mentor a
fellow Georgian. You have great affinity for Georgia, as I do.
Chick fil A guy named Jamne taught me that as
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an American, I had already won the lottery of citizenship.
As a dreamer and as a thinker, all things that
I could say, see and believe I could achieve. All
I needed to do was to work for it. Put
in the work, don't worry about those who don't like you,
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don't worry about those who stand in your way. If
you will outwork them, you can have anything you wanted.
And I didn't believe that the first two thy, three
hundred and twelve times, he said at newt It took
a long time for it to gain traction in my heart,
but once it did, I will tell you I went
from merely a high school dropout failing four subjects my
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freshman year to graduating on time, having a small football
scholarship to Presbyterian College, go Blue Hose, and then becoming
a small businessman. Like he suggested that I should buy
my mama house, helping her live her financial American dream.
The rest is history. With God, hard work and American citizenship.
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In today's America, all things have never been easier, much
less possible.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I don't know that i'd known you were a Blue Hose.
My younger daughter, Jackie Cushman, and her husband Jimmy are
also graduates of Presbyterian, so that gives me an increased
affinity for you, thy you, sir.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I didn't graduate from there. I went there for a
good year though.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And I have to say also when you talk about
Chick fil A, I represented the Dwarf House, which is
the little building next to the Atlanta Airport that was
called that because it had these little doors so that
kids could come and they could go through the dwarf
doors and their parents couldn't. And that house was the
origin of Chick fil A. And after World War Two,
Kathy had a deal where he slept next door. The
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Chick fil A was opened twenty four hours a day
and He literally slept next door with a window open,
and the parking lot had gravel, so when people would
drive into three in the morning, the noise of the
car and the gravel would wake him. He would go
over fix their And in nineteen fifty four he entered
a competition for a better way to serve chicken, and
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he won the competition, and that was the origin of
Chick fil A. Was that that particular which they still
make millions of today, But it was a great example.
He's a very humble guy, very Christian. He understood that
you could work hard, you could learn, and things could
happen that were amazing. You say one of the things
about your family and your parents, your mother in particular.
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That is something I've heard over and over again from
successful people who were born into poverty that they did
not have money, but they didn't think they were poor.
I think it's tremendously important about the people who succeed
and rise from poverty that they somehow see the absence
of money as something to be overcome, not as something
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to cripple them.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
One of the ways that I would explain it to
my average South Carolinian in Southerner is there is a
difference from being broke and being poor. Broke is a
physical state where you lack the resources. Being poor is
a state of mind where you lack the site, the
vision to believe that all things are possible, the vision
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that allows you to work a little longer, even when
you're exhausted, to persevere, and to endure when you're poor.
Based on that definition, you see your ceiling come down
when you're just broke. You know that that's a temporary
circumstance or condition that will change. It is not permanent.
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It is temporary, and therefore you can overcome a temporary condition.
If you're poor, Overcoming that mindset is so difficult. One
of the things I talk about in the book about
my mother and my grandmother, and frankly even George Washington
Carver and One Nation Always under God is the importance
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of seeing. Seeing is imagining, and seeing is believing. George
Washington car did more with a peanut than most of
us do with money. He literally transformed Iowa. There's a
holiday for him in the state of Iowa because of
this profound impact. The truth is, if you have this
imagination that all things are possible, if you focus that
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imagination in one or two specific areas where you have
a passion, a drive, and an expertise, almost like a
natural inclination or affinity for something, you can have tremendous
outcome because then you're not worrying about how long you
work or how much it takes. You just do it
because you enjoy doing it. You might even do it
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for free, you would rather do it for pay. That's
where I found myself as an entrepreneur. I worked my
first two years on average about one hundred hours a week,
but it was fun. I was escaping poverty. I had
a vision and a goal of buying my mom a house,
and it motivated and inspired me to go extraordinary. Links
according to others necessy links according to me. And as
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a result, I now have this work ethic. I now
have this understanding that I can push myself beyond the
limits and there are new limits to be found. And
the good news is, once you do that long enough,
you can bring the engine down sixty hours a week
and fifty hours a week even and you can still
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be incredibly, wildly successful. But much like a plane getting
off the ground, your vision has to have work attached
to it, and the harder you work at the beginning,
the longer you can sustain it in the air. And
it is a beautiful thing that's only possible in America.
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In my opinion, when you start where I started, you
want to be an American because in America you get
paid for your work, you get rewarded for your vision.
That's not possible. And the vast majority of the country's
on the planet. And that's why the book isn't called
one nation in the world. It's called one nation always
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under God. It's this nation under God that makes us
the most remarkable beacon of light, the city on the hill,
the place where hope is born.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
The bill you help pass, the One Big Beautiful Bill,
whether it's taking off taxes on tips or on working overtime,
or increasing the child tax credit, there are all sorts
of pieces of that bill that actually will help people
rise from the absence of money and have a chance
to have a better future. And I think that it's
important to use. These things are very practical in increasing
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the upperpportunity for the average person to rise.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Thank you so much for bringing up the One Big
Beautiful Bill, because I will say, as a person, as
we just discussed, born without a lot of resources. The
one thing I focused on while we were writing the
big beautiful bill. Frankly, we could go back to the
first Trump term when we wrote the Trump tax cuts.
I had the privilege of writing most of the personal
side of the tax code as relates to the tax brackets.
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I thought about my mother, a single mother, and we
cut her taxes by seventy percent during the first Trump term.
A single mother, we're making forty thousand dollars a year.
We cut her taxes by nearly seventy three percent, but
over seventy percent during the first Trump term, and we
made those tax cuts permanent. We had a two thousand
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dollars child tax credit now is twenty two hundred. For
your first twenty five thousand dollars as a tip wage earner,
you get a credit basically for those twenty five thousand dollars.
We do the the exact same thing for overtime who
works overtime, working class Americans, we made it easier to
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work overtime, and our seniors we gave them a twelve
thousand dollars deduction on their Social Security income. This is
focusing on people like me who understand scarcity and struggle.
President Trump has a new working class coalition that we
need to make sure that we focus on, and by
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doing so, we deliver for the everyday American who wants
to achieve their version of the American dream. And that's
why in my book One Nation Always under God, you'll
find classic stories of everyday Americans who did something extraordinary.
Because the key formula of the component parts, the secret sauce,
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they're all there. Putting them together, you get remarkable results.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think this is important because this is a book
which is spiritual even more than it is political, and
it re establishes sort of the centrality of faith in
becoming an American. You quote a very famous quote from
Melexister Tokville, the Frenchman who toured America in the eighteen
thirties and wrote about her. He said, America is great
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because she is good, and if America ceases to be good,
America will cease to be great. What does that quote
mean to you?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Alexis when he came in the eighteen thirties to tour
America to figure out what the secret sauce is, he
went through many of the institutions of power, and he
finally went to the churches, and he said the churches
were on fire. And he understood then that America's goodness
is the source of its greatness. It's the way we
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have learned to treat each other. It's going the extra mile,
as we read about in the Book of Matthew. It's
giving the proverbial shirt off your back that you can
refer to Matthew twenty five. How we treat the naked
and the poor, and the thirsty, and the widower and
the imprisoned. There is this through line for America that
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is a faith filled through line. And the more we
adhere to that, the more we treat our brothers and
sisters as equal, the more we see need and meet it.
We don't meet the needs that others won't meet. We
in America believe and meeting the needs that those can't meet.
We believe very much in hard work. But the truth
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is our country has uncovered, not discovered, but uncovered the
key to a fruitful life, and that is built upon
a Judeo Christian ethos.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I can't end this without getting a tiny bit personal.
On August third, twenty twenty four, you married the love
of your life, and you became a bonus dad in
one day. Now you've said you prayed for many years
for the woman to come along as part of your
whole faith experience. I remember how happy I was when
I saw the announcement, and how long I've known you,
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and what a wonderful person you are. She must really
be something to have had that impact on you.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Truly, your blessing, probably the second biggest blessing of my life,
besides finding and making Jesus the Lord of my life,
is Mary Mindy. I got to tell you, for as
you said, thirty one consecutive years, I've prayed the prayer
Proverbs eighteen twenty two, he who finds a wife finds
a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord. And
I said, Lord, are you listening. After a few years,
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I'm like, the brother is praying, can't you hear me?
I think he was saying, but the brother ain't ready.
I think the truth of the matter is that he
made me a better man. He made me the kind
of husband who would learn to serve my wife, to
listen and to take her expertise and to weave it
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into my problem areas, and to take my expertise and
to weave it into her problem to areas, and as
a result we have had a fantastic first year of marriage.
It has been absolutely incredible, except for all the tennis courts.
I grew up being a football guy and my wife
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is a racket girl. So I learned very quickly that
when you play a racket sport against a racket expert,
at least in my mind, newte I'm a great athlete,
probably no longer, but in my mind I have. She
won thirty eight consecutive sets of tennis.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, considering that you're a national figure, there may be
a certain balancing effect to realize that there are places
where she can humble you.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, she humbled me pretty quickly. I tell you what.
I was so mad for weeks. I wanted to play
her every day, and then I realized I better take
some time and watch tennis. Study tennis. Takes some tennis lessons.
I still lost, but it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's great. Well, I've always been struck. Many years ago,
Charlton Heston was asked how he and his wife Lydia
had been so happy for I think forty four years
at that point, and he said, you know, very early,
I learned a key phrase I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Dear, Yes, and that word still works today.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I think somehow us guys have to remember there's a
certain humility in being allowed to be with somebody who
is beautiful and wonderful, and it makes your life rich.
As you know me, I really do think of you
as a close friend. I'm very proud of the way
you've approached this because your message in your new book,
One Nation Always under God, profiles and Christian courage, you
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weave together personal life, public life, spiritual life in a
way that is really remarkable. It's available now when Amazon
or and bookstores everywhere, and I think people will find
it very enriching for their lives. And Tim, I want
to thank you for joining me.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Of course, what a blessing to be with you. Nion.
Once again, thank you for being a mentor, Thank you
for being such a good friend, and frankly, thank you
for your contributions to my political career and my effectiveness
as a public serviant. And you taught me a long
time ago, more than fifteen years ago or so, that
I should be patient of walking through airports and make
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sure you never pass on who's waving or smiling at
you without returning it because humility is a very important
part of public service. You taught me that early on,
and I thank you for it.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Thank you to my guest, Senator Tim Scott. You can
get a link to buy his new book One Nation,
Always under God, Profiles and Christian Courage on our show
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This is neut World.
On this episode of News World. From our founding fathers
to today's heroes of faith, Christianity has been the bedrock
of our nation's greatness. In his new book, One Nation,
Always under God, Profiles and Christian Courage, South Carolina Senator
Tim Scott shows how Christian values forged our legal system,
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educational institutions, healthcare, social services, and more. Senator Scott reminds
us that we stand on the shoulders of giants, courageous
Christians who face seemingly insurmountable odds yet persevered through faith.
One Nation, Always under God is more than a history lesson.
It is a rallying cry for all who believe that
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America's promise is rooted in timeless biblical principles. Here to
talk about his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome
my guest, Senator Tim Scott. He is a New York
Times bestselling author, successful small businessman, and United States Senator
from South Carolina. He is the first African American to
be elected to both the US House of Representatives and
the US Senate, and he is someone I've considered a
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friend for twenty five years. Tim, Welcome and thank you
for joining me on new twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Mister Spiker, thank you for allowing me to be your guest.
It's been exciting to be your friend for more than
twenty five years. When we go back to my county
council days, your impact and influence we were talking off air.
You've given me such jewels, little nuggets of wisdom that
it made me a better public servant to be honest
with you as well as is a better person. Thank
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you very much for your contribution to my life.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You are one of the people I'm proud to know
because I've watched you continue to grow all the way
through this experience, and now as both chairman of an
important committee and as head of the Senator campaign Committee,
you're really playing a significant national role in the future
of this country. But before we go to your book,
which I think is very timely and very important, I
watched the other day with you and President Trump visiting
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the Federal Reserve building construction site, which some estimates are
we're going to cost between two point five and three billion,
which was well above the one point nine billion originally estimated.
What was that visiit like.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know, I'll be honest with you. It was a
frustrating renovation visit. It started back during one of the
hearings need to be honest with you, We do a
semi annual hearing with Jay Powell, the Chair of the
Federal Reserve, and I was going through these renovation projects
and why we needed a beautiful beehive garden at the
top of the building, Why do we need these very
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exclusive private elevators and exclusive dining halls for public servants,
And he pushed back and said it just wasn't true.
And I was a little astonished by the arrogance to
be rank with you, and I had my staff take
a look very quickly, and they found the page that
each of the renovations was on. And that led to
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this explosion where it got a lot of attention, and
President Trump decided he wanted to visit the FED and
we went together, and as we visited the renovations, frankly,
the chair of the FED doubled down on the renovation
well over hundreds of millions of dollars over budget, when
the average family is sitting at a kitchen table trying
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to figure out how to bring those two ends together.
And it was a frustrating visit, and President Trump pulls
out of his pocket, real time information to say that
the actual cost of the renovations is about three point
one billion dollars. And he reflected that just a few
years earlier he had purchased a post office, did a
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magnificent job renovating that building for about two hundred million
dollar And you could just feel the tension in the room,
as they say it, you could cut the tension with
a knife. It was a powerful scene. It was captured, thankfully,
and much of the country was able to watch this
conversation unfold between the three of us, and I reinforced
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the fact that the numbers I have received only suggest
that the renovation costs are several hundred million overcosts well
over three billion dollars, and nothing in sight suggests it's
coming down. What do you think happened asleep at the
wheel some of it? To be honest with you, it's
better to have a construction manager running such a massive
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project than someone else. And frankly, I'm sure they have
construction workers, they have a general contractor, but you need
someone on your side who's watching the details of really
important and from my perspective, the TODJMA Hall of Construction
happening on the dime, so to speak. It's not the
federal dollar, but it is the interest that is accruing
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at the FED that creates the revenue stream. But at
the end of the day, the public is paying for it,
one way or the other. And at a time when
most families cannot afford lavish renovation projects.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You know, it's centially long before he was a candidate.
I ended up walking through a building with then the citizen,
Donald Trump, and he's explaining construction. The degree to which
he understands all this is just amazing. And in that sense,
whatever problem may know about finance, he knows nothing about
construction compared to Donald Trump. There's also the sense that
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the FED that the money's around them. They have no
sense of a budget, no sense of any kind of frugality.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Not at all. And part of the challenge. You look
at something as small as the CFPB that gets his
transfers from the Federal Reserve, and they were getting so
much money from the federals ave nearly a billion dollars,
which sounds like chump change, but it's real money in
the eyes of every day America's like me and you,
And what were they doing with the money. They were
literally terrifying small businesses. They were making data requests and
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rings and rings of paper from small businesses, and they
were punishing people for doing the right thing and then
ultimately deciding nothing happening bad there. We just wanted to
waste hundreds of thousands of dollars from a small business
and hundreds of hours as well. But the Federal Reserve
on steroids operating in a very similar fashion. Think about
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something we all know about in the financial footprint called
BOSEL three. It was brought to the table first by
Michael Barr, the feice Chair of Supervision at the FED,
and J. Powell sat there silently and said, okay, let's
go ahead and raise the capital requirements on banks, which
of course reduces the capital flow for small businesses, for
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first time home buyers, and for finding credit in the marketplace.
When we know that our financial system is safe, they've
all passed to stress tests, we find ourselves asking the
question why is there so much capital part on the
sidelines instead of being invested in America's future. The answer
is the FED was asleep at the wheel. That's why
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under President Trump he's been so focused on lowering interest rates.
We're at full employment about four point two percent, our
prices are stable, inflation under three percent. Only thing to
do to catch this thing on fire called our economy
in a good way is to lower our interest rates
and give President Trump more tools to fire up the economy.
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Instead of doing that, we're focusing on an over the
budget renovation project, and President Trump would rather spend his time,
my time, and your time talking about how interest rates
are coming down, jobs are going up, wages are going up.
But instead of having that really important conversation, we're frustrated
by someone doubling down on FED renovations.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Which goes against the whole spirit of the American people
right now, which is to be more frugal, to spending
under control, and to move back towards the balanced budget.
But let me move on, because you have an important book,
and knowing you as well as I do, you are
more appropriate to write this than almost anybody in public life.
One Nation, Always under God profiles and Christian courage? What
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led you to write the book?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The last two years I've been working on One Nation,
Always under God, available right now at Amazon dot Com.
I've decided to write the book because so often in
modern America, it seems like we're focusing on the wrong
people doing the wrong things. Think about the mayor oald
candidate in New York, in Minneapolis, think about the guy
who just wanted to Seattle. Why in the world is
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this lurch towards socialism? I think because we're celebrating to
many of the wrong people, too much of the wrong things.
How do we get our focus back on the right things.
You said it so well. The potential of this country
is understanding our foundation. It's not merely studying history, is
understanding how history can apply to our future. And my
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book One Nation Always under God distills these amazing profiles
in courage that have influence and impact, and not only America,
but the entire world when ordinary people respond to the
extraordinary God that we serve in measurable ways. They pray
about it, but then they do something equally as important.
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They act on what they see. Rather you Dorothea Dick's
tackling the mental health challenges, or frankly most of us
know Francis Scott Key thinking about the battle that occurred
at Fort McHenry, thinking about nineteen British ships pummeling Fort McHenry,
and you think about what he was looking for, some
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sign that our flag was still there. This is a
powerful story. Most of us know the name, but we
don't know the battle. We don't know the reason for
the worl words. I think when you understand that, you
say to yourself, I want to be a part of
the story that unfolds for the future of America. I'm
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really interested in seeing this next generation that is more
committed to the country, more interested in faith than we
ever hope that they would be. Let's give them the
tools and the stories and frankly the mentors of the
past to forge the greatest future of the American promise
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that is still there to be taken advantage of.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
One of the keys to one nation always under God
is your grandmother and your mother. That it's a very
family shaped core beliefs. Can you talk a little bit
about those two amazing women.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Thank you so much. I'll say this, my mother and
my grandmother always focused on family, and when you hear
me talk, I'll talk a lot about the American family.
Not just America as a nation, not as a power,
but as a family. When we see ourselves as a family,
there's this interconnectivity that is a necessary component to understand family.
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You don't always like everybody all the time, but you
love them, You're willing to give your life for them.
And that's the kind of a nation I have the
blessing of growing up in. I'm a part of this
American family. And my grandmother, even though she grew up
in very segregated times in South Carolina, she still believed.
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She had this thought that the potential of this nation
would be realized during her lifetime or her child's lifetime,
and as a result, she taught me to pray that
God would be the God of the breakthrough, so to speak,
and she believed that all things would become more and
more possible. She taught my mother that, and my mother
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as a result, you can read in the book One
Nahould Always under God the lessons of these two powerful
women in my life. She taught me that you could
be a victim or you can be victorious, but you
can't be both. We and the Scott family have decided
we will be victorious and not a victim. And the
way we do that is by trusting God and going
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to work, work hard, work long, and the results will
be in your favor. It is a powerful recipe for good.
It has changed the course of history. Good people like
William Lloyd Garrison, who was an abolitionist. He fought tooth
and nail for the freedom of black people in America
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during his time. He believed that in order to be
a good Christian he had to fight that all men
all women would be free. As a result, we see
ourselves becoming that more perfect union. It is a tremendous
story of a person that almost lost his life because
he believed so fervently in freedom that he was willing
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to surrender his for the freedom of millions of people.
You can think of the same battle that Dorothea Dix
did as relates to the mental health condition of our society.
She saw an opportunity to restore dignity and respect to
hundreds of thousands of people who had been committed to
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an assain asylum. She thought the conditions were terrible and disgusting.
She made a revolutionary decision to make her personal mission
to change that. David Green, the founder of hobby lobby
in our modern times. He went to work and prayed
his way through financial hardship and struggle. He worked his
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way in long hours to give his family and our
name something that is an enduring brand called hobby Lobby.
How did he get there? Well, that story is available
to you and One Nation, Always under God, available today
at Amazon dot Com, but more importantly, is available once
you read it for your future. You two can be
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the answer to other people's problems. And it happens over
and over and over again. Jim Lovell Apollo thirteen, astronaut
two hundred thousand miles away from Earth. When things go wrong,
he looked up because he knew what to do, and
he knew what was right, and as a result, he
saved the lives of the astronauts who were lost nearly
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in space.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You and I were walking in Charleston one day and
you pointed out that the largest slave auction site is
now a historic site in Charleston. Then you think about
the whole tragedy of slavery and the gradual still tragedy
of segregation, and then you where your generation has come.
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It seems we have to have some sense of hope
for this country. But you used two keywords I think
that I think are fascinating. One is the power of dreams,
and the other is the importance of imagination. Talk about
that in the context of your own life and your
family's life.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
When I was a kid growing up at a single
parent household in poverty, I'll tell you I would lay
in my bed, I would just dream about ways to
escape poverty. For me, a mid football playing for the
Dallas Cowboys. I would have these real big dreams about yes,
scoring touchdowns and evading tacklers and being able to stiff
arm someone on the left and running to the right
and then dodging into the middle and cutting across the
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grain and touchdown. And it was like I would relive
that dream over and over again, or catching a pass.
My dreams were really my way of escaping the scarcity
that surrounded me at the time. I learned that I
could be free in my dreams even if I could
not have all that my friends and schoolmates had. My
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mother taught me this thing called Proverbs twenty nine to
eighteen is a beautiful verse. It says without a vision,
people perished, it cast off for strain. In other words,
sometimes you just stop trying, and you live on the
wrong side of the proverbial tracks, not just the literal tracs,
and the wrong side of the proverbial tracks is when
you believe that all things are not possible, that you
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were born in the wrong time, in the wrong place.
Guess what you can't change any of that. You can't
shout about the things that you can't change. But what
you can do is get excited about the things that
you can change, and thank God for a mentor a
fellow Georgian. You have great affinity for Georgia, as I do.
Chick fil A guy named Jamne taught me that as
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an American, I had already won the lottery of citizenship.
As a dreamer and as a thinker, all things that
I could say, see and believe I could achieve. All
I needed to do was to work for it. Put
in the work, don't worry about those who don't like you,
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don't worry about those who stand in your way. If
you will outwork them, you can have anything you wanted.
And I didn't believe that the first two thy, three
hundred and twelve times, he said at newt It took
a long time for it to gain traction in my heart,
but once it did, I will tell you I went
from merely a high school dropout failing four subjects my
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freshman year to graduating on time, having a small football
scholarship to Presbyterian College, go Blue Hose, and then becoming
a small businessman. Like he suggested that I should buy
my mama house, helping her live her financial American dream.
The rest is history. With God, hard work and American citizenship.
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In today's America, all things have never been easier, much
less possible.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I don't know that i'd known you were a Blue Hose.
My younger daughter, Jackie Cushman, and her husband Jimmy are
also graduates of Presbyterian, so that gives me an increased
affinity for you, thy you, sir.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I didn't graduate from there. I went there for a
good year though.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And I have to say also when you talk about
Chick fil A, I represented the Dwarf House, which is
the little building next to the Atlanta Airport that was
called that because it had these little doors so that
kids could come and they could go through the dwarf
doors and their parents couldn't. And that house was the
origin of Chick fil A. And after World War Two,
Kathy had a deal where he slept next door. The
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Chick fil A was opened twenty four hours a day
and He literally slept next door with a window open,
and the parking lot had gravel, so when people would
drive into three in the morning, the noise of the
car and the gravel would wake him. He would go
over fix their And in nineteen fifty four he entered
a competition for a better way to serve chicken, and
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he won the competition, and that was the origin of
Chick fil A. Was that that particular which they still
make millions of today, But it was a great example.
He's a very humble guy, very Christian. He understood that
you could work hard, you could learn, and things could
happen that were amazing. You say one of the things
about your family and your parents, your mother in particular.
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That is something I've heard over and over again from
successful people who were born into poverty that they did
not have money, but they didn't think they were poor.
I think it's tremendously important about the people who succeed
and rise from poverty that they somehow see the absence
of money as something to be overcome, not as something
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to cripple them.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
One of the ways that I would explain it to
my average South Carolinian in Southerner is there is a
difference from being broke and being poor. Broke is a
physical state where you lack the resources. Being poor is
a state of mind where you lack the site, the
vision to believe that all things are possible, the vision
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that allows you to work a little longer, even when
you're exhausted, to persevere, and to endure when you're poor.
Based on that definition, you see your ceiling come down
when you're just broke. You know that that's a temporary
circumstance or condition that will change. It is not permanent.
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It is temporary, and therefore you can overcome a temporary condition.
If you're poor, Overcoming that mindset is so difficult. One
of the things I talk about in the book about
my mother and my grandmother, and frankly even George Washington
Carver and One Nation Always under God is the importance
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of seeing. Seeing is imagining, and seeing is believing. George
Washington car did more with a peanut than most of
us do with money. He literally transformed Iowa. There's a
holiday for him in the state of Iowa because of
this profound impact. The truth is, if you have this
imagination that all things are possible, if you focus that
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imagination in one or two specific areas where you have
a passion, a drive, and an expertise, almost like a
natural inclination or affinity for something, you can have tremendous
outcome because then you're not worrying about how long you
work or how much it takes. You just do it
because you enjoy doing it. You might even do it
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for free, you would rather do it for pay. That's
where I found myself as an entrepreneur. I worked my
first two years on average about one hundred hours a week,
but it was fun. I was escaping poverty. I had
a vision and a goal of buying my mom a house,
and it motivated and inspired me to go extraordinary. Links
according to others necessy links according to me. And as
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a result, I now have this work ethic. I now
have this understanding that I can push myself beyond the
limits and there are new limits to be found. And
the good news is, once you do that long enough,
you can bring the engine down sixty hours a week
and fifty hours a week even and you can still
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be incredibly, wildly successful. But much like a plane getting
off the ground, your vision has to have work attached
to it, and the harder you work at the beginning,
the longer you can sustain it in the air. And
it is a beautiful thing that's only possible in America.
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In my opinion, when you start where I started, you
want to be an American because in America you get
paid for your work, you get rewarded for your vision.
That's not possible. And the vast majority of the country's
on the planet. And that's why the book isn't called
one nation in the world. It's called one nation always
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under God. It's this nation under God that makes us
the most remarkable beacon of light, the city on the hill,
the place where hope is born.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
The bill you help pass, the One Big Beautiful Bill,
whether it's taking off taxes on tips or on working overtime,
or increasing the child tax credit, there are all sorts
of pieces of that bill that actually will help people
rise from the absence of money and have a chance
to have a better future. And I think that it's
important to use. These things are very practical in increasing
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the upperpportunity for the average person to rise.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Thank you so much for bringing up the One Big
Beautiful Bill, because I will say, as a person, as
we just discussed, born without a lot of resources. The
one thing I focused on while we were writing the
big beautiful bill. Frankly, we could go back to the
first Trump term when we wrote the Trump tax cuts.
I had the privilege of writing most of the personal
side of the tax code as relates to the tax brackets.
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I thought about my mother, a single mother, and we
cut her taxes by seventy percent during the first Trump term.
A single mother, we're making forty thousand dollars a year.
We cut her taxes by nearly seventy three percent, but
over seventy percent during the first Trump term, and we
made those tax cuts permanent. We had a two thousand
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dollars child tax credit now is twenty two hundred. For
your first twenty five thousand dollars as a tip wage earner,
you get a credit basically for those twenty five thousand dollars.
We do the the exact same thing for overtime who
works overtime, working class Americans, we made it easier to
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work overtime, and our seniors we gave them a twelve
thousand dollars deduction on their Social Security income. This is
focusing on people like me who understand scarcity and struggle.
President Trump has a new working class coalition that we
need to make sure that we focus on, and by
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doing so, we deliver for the everyday American who wants
to achieve their version of the American dream. And that's
why in my book One Nation Always under God, you'll
find classic stories of everyday Americans who did something extraordinary.
Because the key formula of the component parts, the secret sauce,
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they're all there. Putting them together, you get remarkable results.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think this is important because this is a book
which is spiritual even more than it is political, and
it re establishes sort of the centrality of faith in
becoming an American. You quote a very famous quote from
Melexister Tokville, the Frenchman who toured America in the eighteen
thirties and wrote about her. He said, America is great
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because she is good, and if America ceases to be good,
America will cease to be great. What does that quote
mean to you?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Alexis when he came in the eighteen thirties to tour
America to figure out what the secret sauce is, he
went through many of the institutions of power, and he
finally went to the churches, and he said the churches
were on fire. And he understood then that America's goodness
is the source of its greatness. It's the way we
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have learned to treat each other. It's going the extra mile,
as we read about in the Book of Matthew. It's
giving the proverbial shirt off your back that you can
refer to Matthew twenty five. How we treat the naked
and the poor, and the thirsty, and the widower and
the imprisoned. There is this through line for America that
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is a faith filled through line. And the more we
adhere to that, the more we treat our brothers and
sisters as equal, the more we see need and meet it.
We don't meet the needs that others won't meet. We
in America believe and meeting the needs that those can't meet.
We believe very much in hard work. But the truth
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is our country has uncovered, not discovered, but uncovered the
key to a fruitful life, and that is built upon
a Judeo Christian ethos.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I can't end this without getting a tiny bit personal.
On August third, twenty twenty four, you married the love
of your life, and you became a bonus dad in
one day. Now you've said you prayed for many years
for the woman to come along as part of your
whole faith experience. I remember how happy I was when
I saw the announcement, and how long I've known you,
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and what a wonderful person you are. She must really
be something to have had that impact on you.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Truly, your blessing, probably the second biggest blessing of my life,
besides finding and making Jesus the Lord of my life,
is Mary Mindy. I got to tell you, for as
you said, thirty one consecutive years, I've prayed the prayer
Proverbs eighteen twenty two, he who finds a wife finds
a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord. And
I said, Lord, are you listening. After a few years,
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I'm like, the brother is praying, can't you hear me?
I think he was saying, but the brother ain't ready.
I think the truth of the matter is that he
made me a better man. He made me the kind
of husband who would learn to serve my wife, to
listen and to take her expertise and to weave it
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into my problem areas, and to take my expertise and
to weave it into her problem to areas, and as
a result we have had a fantastic first year of marriage.
It has been absolutely incredible, except for all the tennis courts.
I grew up being a football guy and my wife
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is a racket girl. So I learned very quickly that
when you play a racket sport against a racket expert,
at least in my mind, newte I'm a great athlete,
probably no longer, but in my mind I have. She
won thirty eight consecutive sets of tennis.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, considering that you're a national figure, there may be
a certain balancing effect to realize that there are places
where she can humble you.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, she humbled me pretty quickly. I tell you what.
I was so mad for weeks. I wanted to play
her every day, and then I realized I better take
some time and watch tennis. Study tennis. Takes some tennis lessons.
I still lost, but it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's great. Well, I've always been struck. Many years ago,
Charlton Heston was asked how he and his wife Lydia
had been so happy for I think forty four years
at that point, and he said, you know, very early,
I learned a key phrase I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Dear, Yes, and that word still works today.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I think somehow us guys have to remember there's a
certain humility in being allowed to be with somebody who
is beautiful and wonderful, and it makes your life rich.
As you know me, I really do think of you
as a close friend. I'm very proud of the way
you've approached this because your message in your new book,
One Nation Always under God, profiles and Christian courage, you
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weave together personal life, public life, spiritual life in a
way that is really remarkable. It's available now when Amazon
or and bookstores everywhere, and I think people will find
it very enriching for their lives. And Tim, I want
to thank you for joining me.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Of course, what a blessing to be with you. Nion.
Once again, thank you for being a mentor, Thank you
for being such a good friend, and frankly, thank you
for your contributions to my political career and my effectiveness
as a public serviant. And you taught me a long
time ago, more than fifteen years ago or so, that
I should be patient of walking through airports and make
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sure you never pass on who's waving or smiling at
you without returning it because humility is a very important
part of public service. You taught me that early on,
and I thank you for it.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Thank you to my guest, Senator Tim Scott. You can
get a link to buy his new book One Nation,
Always under God, Profiles and Christian Courage on our show
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