February 27, 2025 • 54 mins
Adnan Virk returns from Winnipeg and asks Jason Demers if the Jets are for real. Then Jason's former teammate, Alex Goligoski, stops by to remember Marc-Andre Fleury's pranks and Phil Kessel's weight room exploits. After breaking down Timothee Chalamet's big speech at the SAG Awards, the guys then welcome Devan Dubnyk, who discusses Jordan Binnington's 4 Nations performance along with the highs and lows from his career. And, of course, another heated installment of "Am I Wrong?"
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
NHL Unscripted is a production of the NHL and iHeart podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We are back here on NHL Unscripted. This would be
great episode all right, Episode thirteen.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Vika Devers, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It was always to NHL on I Heard podcast. JD's
already a little sour. He's in Montreal right now recording
this late at night, but he's always loyal to the
cause first and foremost to all those who are watching
Amazon Pride mon Night Hockey, as was Jason Demurz. I
promised that biz Nasty was going to join us here
in the pocket. He's going on coast to coast with
any Petrillo on Thursday, but biz Nasty inter reschedule.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
He will come back with us another time. We have
a great episode.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Alice Goolagoski, close friend of Jason Demurz, played a thousand
games NHL, has great stories not only but his own career,
but also Marc Andre Fleury and Phil Kessel. Devin Dubnick
an old buddy of ours, a teammate of jd's't the
Spangler Cup for Canada, but also teammate of ours at
NHL Network. He talks about I don't know if I
want to tease it. It may not make the cut corn
to tell, but he's going to talk about goaltending. I
can tell you the NHL today, and it's gonna be
(01:06):
fascining to listen to. Before we get to that, though,
I get a surprise for you. I travel so much
now with Amazon. People are surprised with this because how
much I love movies. But I said, no, I don't
like to watch movies on planes. I'm one of those guys.
I'd like to watch it at home or watch it
in theater. I don't want to be aout playing the
small screen demers. Just watched six movies in three cross
country flights. I don't want jour number two there.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
What I do is this. I read.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I tracked if I read, and I said to myself,
because you don't pay attention to others.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're so vain and self absorbed. We don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Tal Pinchewski casually mentally written a book. So I went
on Amazon and I bought Breakaway from Behind the Iron
Curtain to the NHL, The Untold Story of Hockey's Great Escapes.
And I bought Tal's book and I just finished it.
I made a power read to Winnipeg. And back from Winnipeg.
How many ever seen it? Tean trying to Winnipeg. I mean,
this is a book with just two or in sixty
four pages.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You read though in two flights.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I mean, I fly you.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Are you like a speed reader? Are you like the.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
If I'm fixing on something, I'm a little bit obsessive,
much like my movie Watch.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, I want to fish on. I'm finishing taws book.
I'll take four hours, Like no, I'll get the hotel.
I gotta fish this book before I go to bed,
Like why did you step till to me?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Am?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I had to finish tal Pinchewski's book. I want to
know more about Peter Klima.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Now I want to read this part too, specifically because
it's about I wish you were before you get into that.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I wish you'd be more obsessive about promoting this podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
We'll get to that in a second. Here's one of
my favorite parts. And then for those certain and you
should all read the book?
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Talk about it? And I don't. I can't believe how
much research you did. This is insane. The amount of
people you talk to like it. It reads like a thriller,
especially the Stassins, Peter claim out like horrifying, and Jed
you can speakcause you played in Russia. You know what
it's like.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, times with Fatisa trying to leave, Victor tiking off
and all this stuff, and I casually about buttal talk
to all these people. Love the quotes from my buddy
Ken Danico, but I need to focus on this specifically
because this will appreciate both of you guys being Montreal guys.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
This is page one thirty four. Given the agents following
the Czechoslovakian national team, so Boda would have to find
the right time to spare it the twenty one year
old Volac.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Away David Vola course remember him from the Rangers. He
would also to find a dark, central location where this
clandestine meeting wouldn't allouse too much suspicion. The best place
of what I could find was a popular downtown strip
club named Shaye Pyrie. It was a popular place, especially
in the eighties. What would have elapse and still now wow,
Well before.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I comment on shape Pray which you know, me filming
this pod so so late, I can't even go there
and get their famous you know ten pm steak. But again,
tall great research and once again, if the research was
this thorough for this podcast, we would be top in
the country right now. So fantastic work by both of you.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I love it all Right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
We just got back from the road, which is a
Winnipeg Jets game. I want to ask you about the Sharks.
If we don't talk enough about the Sharks and you
cover the game, you work for the team, your former Shark.
I gotta tell you, buddy, watching that team and I'm
expecting everyone's cat calling.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And going, oh my god, here we go. Sharks versus Jets.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Shark's fewest points in the NHL, the Jets at the
second most of the time, your Sharks played a sound,
defensive game.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Fan of check was great. Celebrating is such a joy
to watch out there one nothing lead, unfortunately Josh Morrison
and fortunate for the Sharks. Josh Worts scores twenty six
seconds left, jetson winning it overtime. But good fight from
your Sharks. I get we are talking abou all NHL teams,
Drew on this podcast. I like seeing a team fighting
even though they have nothing left to fight for.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, you know, I hope it continues past the trade deadline.
You know you have a lot of guys that are
probably you know, sought after by a lot of teams
in the league that are looking at some depth pieces.
So you know you're hoping that continues post trade deadline,
and guys you know that have been very good soldiers.
And the one thing I'll say about this team is
notice complain. They haven't said boo. They've worked their ass
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off a night in and night out, and they haven't
got the results they've wanted to get and have hoped for.
But there's a lot to like, and they're trying to
build a culture here of at least work ethic and
knowing that the wins will come. But man, it's tough
when you start finding ways to lose versus finding ways
to win. It's such a fine line in the NHL.
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And it's tough because I've been on those teams where
you just can't find a way.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You're like, what the hell, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
We're doing everything right, and the hockey gods reward us
plays plays almighty reward us, and he does not.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
He casts you asunder night in and night out.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
So I feel for them, and I've been there, done that,
and I've also been on the teams where you you
literally could go not piss a drop and win a
game because you're just the confidence is so high and
you guys all believe you're going to win. So it's
really a mindset shift and hopefully these guys can find it.
But you know, they're exciting to watch. They work hard.
I know you watch that game. I watched it. They
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play hard, they work hard. They led for what fifty
six minutes of that game? Fifty seven minutes something like that,
And it's just closing out games. It's like the last
thing they got to learn is closing out games.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
And I don't know how.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Many games this season where they've been up in the
third period and have kind of blown it and you know,
chalk it up to the lucky unlucky bounces and they
just can't find a way. But yeah, there's there's there's
a lot to like. There's a lot of bright spots
in this team, and I think those young guys are
really starting to pick it out of the mclin's Brine's
a stud.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
We'll get to your comedy about Adam Fox, which went viral,
particularly here in the New York City area, But one
thought here on the Jets. I want to get your
opinion on they won ten in a row. They're making
a run for the President's Trophy. We all, no one
will remember this team unless they actually go deep in
the playoffs and hell a Buck exercises his playoff demons.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I want to ask you this. Our buddy, Thomas Sicky
said during the game, and I'm not a fan of
this guy. Has to sit down with him. Josh Morris.
He's a great dude. Do you think Morris he's a
top ten defense from right now in hockey?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Ooh, that's tough. I honestly, man, that's a tough one.
It's hard to say. I think he's right on the
cusp of it. If not the number ten spot, I
think there's a lot of guys at the number ten spot.
Me being as politically correct as possible.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I love the kid.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I played with him at World Championships, nice and funny
enough that tournament. I was playing more minutes than him,
and now I'm like, so he's getting so much better
than me. We would have won that term, even though
we lost and shootout if he was playing more minutes.
But he's he's a great team and he looks so effort,
listen for not being a big guy, battles so hard,
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He's got a bomb of a shot, and plays heavy
minutes defensively and offensively. So I think he's worth consideration
the top ten. I don't think he gets enough love
from from people in the NHL, and if you ask
anybody on that team, I know he's a dog. But again,
you said it, unless they do something in the playoffs.
I think the more this gets close to the playoffs,
the more the pressure is gonna mount. If they don't
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get out of the first round, let alone make it
to the conference finals, it's a waste of a season
for this team.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So that's my take.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Take it, leave it, digest it, regurgitate it, whatever you want.
If that goes viral, so be it. But I'm saying
right now, they do not make the conference finals, it's
a waste of a season for the Winnipeg Jets. And
I love everything about that team right now, love everything.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
No, I love that pick. Someone said to me, they
gotta win around a go win a round. They might
have a conce points you can get. I got.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I need Final four and I need to lose that
Conference finals in a hard fought six or seven game series.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They you gotta get deep and look good going deep.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
They get right now they have their gold differentials plus
plus seventy plus seventy. They've won ten straight in the
dog days of the season at NET.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Give me.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Gave Lord of Kingston guy. I love Lord Him. It's
gonna deal both Kingston guys.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
All right, speaking of going viral, what are you doing
pissing off people about Adam Fox?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, one of my all time backfires. There when you're
just trying to kind of give a concise answer as
an analyst and a commentator, you were asked certain questions
and you give certain responses, and much of the chagrin
of the New York Rangers fan base. I was shit
upon by everybody and they start pulling up because I
said Adam Fox and I wasn't even saying my opinion,
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but I you know, I did probably add some stuff
to it. And I feel bad nocuse Adam Fox is
hurt on the IR but all the more reason that
they need to go get more help because they're asking
him to do way too much. And I was prefacing
the whole and to give a context and what I said,
I said, guys, in the league that I've heard have
said that Adam Fox come playoff time or in the
playoffs is they'd rather play against him than other defensemen
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in the NHL, because when you're gonna go into the corner,
you know you're not gonna get hit.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
He's not.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
His escapability is not as good as a Quinn Hugh
is a Kale mccarr and he plays as heavy minutes
as those guys. So if I'm a guy that's physical,
I'm looking at him being like licking my lips, being
like I can put in his corner and try to
run him every time. Now, his hockey at Q is
through the roof. He's a Noris Trophy winner. He's a
guy that's been in the Eastern Conference Finals twice. You know,
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largely not just because of him. He was a big
part of it. Obviously, Ego Shusterkin has been incredible for
that team. But it was more saying to the New
York Rangers, and I've been on the New York Rangers
ownership and management group all season saying they need to
go get somebody to help them. They thought Candre Miller
was gonna be that guy. Obviously, we don't think Candre
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will become that defenseman other than being a top four.
You'll be a top four defenseman, Candre, but he's not
going to be your top two. They're asking Ryan Lindgren
to punch way above his weight class, and I just
don't think right now, where the NHL is where they
need to go and win a Stanley Cup, that is
the right pairing Ryan Lindgren and Adam Fox. Now, they've
tested and experimented with a few other guys, but they
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need to get him a legitimate, bona fide defenseman to
play with him. Cale mccar's Davontave's Quinn Hughes, who's an
enigma and can really play with anybody. Had Luke Schen
early in his career, does really well with Philipperonic. But
you look at the top guys, they typically have somebody
that can help them and minimize the load a little
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bit and minimize the stress on their game and on
their body, and I just think they need to get
a guy that's gonna really help Adam Fox physically stay
healthy and make sure they don't wear him out, because
the last thing you want is your franchise defenseman to
constantly be injured and be out and not be effective
what he's brought in to do, which is offense. So
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everybody in the sorry, let me finish Parkley up. Every
in the Rangers fan base, you can suck it. I
don't apologize for what I said. I still have Adam
Fox and I think he's great, but they need to
get him help.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So Rangers fans suck it.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And unfortunately now Adam Fox injured. So hopefully he's back sooner,
but later it's not something serious again, Well shall find out.
All right, a few topics we're gonna hit on here,
and then we're gonna get to Alex Glogowski first and foremost,
Alex Ovechkin, the great chase.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Two forty to go on a third period, hena puck
that comes to all Bedstead, he starts. Hete did it,
Hete did it. It's a hat trick for all that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Skander thirty second career hat trick against the Oilers, added
a goal Tuesday against Calgary. As of this moment, we're
taping this Wednesday night, eight hundred and eighty three career goals.
He has twelve goals shy of passing Wayne Gretzky's all
time goals record the Capitals have twenty four games left
in the season, tongue firmly in cheek. I asked you
this a few weeks ago, and you said, yeah, he'll
break the record like October twelfth, Like we'll have to
wait all off season.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Now it appears he's going to do it this year.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I believe the latest productions are like April third, he's
about to have a fifty goal season.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
At the age of thirty nine.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Jay Wild, Yeah, I'm done saying anything against contrary to
what I think he's gonna do, because I've been wrong
seventeen different times. Last year, I said he wouldn't get thirty.
He got thirty. I owed Mike Rup a bottle camus.
This year again, I said, no, I won't get thirty
this year, another bottle Camus out the window with Mike
(12:37):
Croup doubled down, And now I said he's gonna break
it October twelfth. It's probably gonna do it April twelfth
or whatever, the April the last game of the season
or before that. So I'm just eating crow. As they
say constantly, he is shoving it up my tailpipe.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh, I gave a pause.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
So he's shoving Come on, let's keep that. But he's
just given He's given it to me. He's probably an
avid listener of this show. And here's all of my comments.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I'm so you think i'm.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Script who knows?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Man?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
We got a lot of listeners. Could be one of them,
could have a loyal It's not how many you have,
it's who you have. And Alexander Vetchkin could be one.
But yeah, he's It's crazy what he's doing at his age,
scoring in different ways. I know people are like empty netters.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I'm like, man, yeah, people craping about that, but he's not.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
You've got to score in an empty net. And he's
not a liability when he's out there six on five.
Like most teams, you're putting out your most defensive players
on a six on five if you're, you know, trying
to not give up a goal. They're putting him out there, Yeah,
to help him get the record, but they wouldn't do
it if they didn't trust him defensively. And he's showing
out and he's getting goals and he's it seems like
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this team has a lot to play for this year
and they're rallying behind this and and I mean what
a way to end his career to win do this
record this year? And then basically like we went from
him is he going to break the record to what's
the new record going to be said at?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Like what's the number? Like what's your number?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
For you?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's a great topic because here's the he's going to
blast through nine hundred goals. But I wouldn't bet against
a thousand. I don't believe he will, but I wouldn't
bet against it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You say a thousand?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Are you to me? That's insane?
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'm not saying he's going I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
That's another one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
One hundred or twenty one hundred and seventeen goals?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
One hundred and seventeen goals? No, I think I think
it's not crazy to think he can break like nine
thirty nine point fifty. I think he could do that
if he pends how much gas he wants to he's
got left in the tank, and how much long he
wants to play. But I mean that's one to clip
and say, what how many goals do we think Alexandrovitchkin
is going to end up his career? What's the record
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going to be at? Because we got to stop saying
is he going to break the record. It's now a
question of when. But now what is the next record for? Like,
what's the next record going to end at? Where's Alexandrovitchin
going to end his goal scored oring? What would you
call it his goal scoring record?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Is this all time goals record? You'll records?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Where would it end? Clip it?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Alexandrovchkin go, I love the fact, audibly calling for the clipping.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
We gotta do that.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We got to do that now, Mark seventh. Trade deadline
is fast approaching. This is fasting stray right now with Ransom,
he's yet to sign extension with Carolina.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
The Avalanche trade him. Carolina thinks, now we got our superstar.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Now we got our got we gave up Marty Bechris.
Now we got our guy to take us over the top.
And all of a sudden, now reportedly they offer him
one hundred million clams and he's like, eh, do you want?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I want?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You know?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Elliott Elliott Friedman reported that, So if he says it,
it's all but all, but take it as religion and
take it as gospel because he's usually right on the money.
So if Carolina can't. I would give him a deadline
and be like, we got to move him. But you
know they're not really operating from a from a position
of power. And if you look at Carolina, if Ranton
doesn't sign and doesn't and doesn't, they don't trade him,
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and they lose him in free agency, and they lose
Jake Gnsel, Marty Nachius and Miko Rotten and all within
a year and a half two years. That has to
go down as some of the worst GMing ownershipping whatever
you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Uh, But how do you avoid this? Do you have
a conversation with Ransom's agent before his temperary?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
How do you How do you know that a guys
should agree to extension before you trade for him?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
How could you do it?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
You lock him in a room, you're time to a chair,
and then you say you're not leaving until you give
us an answer. There's not much more Like. If I'm Carolina,
I'm freaking out right now, I'm freaking out. If I'm
a Carolina Hurricanes fan, let alone Carolina ownership and management.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like I'm freaking out, I'm I'm not sleeping.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
If I'm Tulsky, I'm calling him like I'm an ex
I'm a crazy ex girlfriend trying to get get back
with my boyfriend. I am calling him, texting him five
hundred times a day. I'm like me when I'm texting
you nonstly to promote the pod, and then all you
do is send me a reaction of a thumbs up
that actually give me any love. Anyway, we'll talk about that.
(17:09):
That's that's my AMI wrong segment. We're gonna tease that
am I wrong segment. But if he's dragging his feet
for this, I mean, I don't know what this guy wants,
so I trade him and just keep the change.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean that that would be egg on the face.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I don't know what the answer is, but that would
be awfully tough to reverse that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
All right, everyone ask to no out there.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Nh OLD quarter century Fan Vote presented by SAP design
the top twenty five players of the past twenty five years,
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but you, Catherine Tapping and Mike Rupp had a conversation
about this.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You post it on.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Ig Eddie Old Checkley Eddie Old Chiswall and so was
with you, guys, call he's promoting this the all Coarters
Sentry team and all of you unanimously stunned by the
notable snub of Marion Hosa.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Is it because his name is Marion? Why didn't he
get more love?
Speaker 5 (18:04):
It's his name is Mary Ann No, Well, this is
voted by the fans, So this is all fans, and
they had like their first round of voting for the
first teams, Mary and Hosa didn't even make it. And
I was like, listen, I'm all for fan voting, and
but if this is what I'm gonna get, like, revoke it. Like,
just revoke the fan voting because the fact that you
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would leave Mary and Hosa, who we were all joking
about that he played in the same era as me,
Eddie Olcik and Mike Grepp, who all played in different
eras and dominated every single one of those eras.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
This guy is over thirteen.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Hundred games played, over eleven hundred points, two hundred and
five games played in the playoffs, one hundred and forty
nine points. He's as productive in the playoffs as he
was in the season selky nominee.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
What did he have?
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I'm gonna give you one of ninety three players in
NHL history Tocord over a thousand points.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Guy's got three cups. It like the way he.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Dominated like multiple generations and just was so good defensively,
so good, offensively so strong. One of the hardest guys
I've ever played against. We all looked at each other.
We're like kind of building out. We're talking before the
show and we're talking about snubs and Eddie Oltchak Goes
is married a host on this list, and we're like, no,
he's not on there.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
They're like, no, he didn't make it. We're like, are
you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Like this is the guy that you guys leave off,
Like forget about any stubs. This guy, this is an
all time snub because everything he did, penalty kill, power,
play five on five important situations, was a leader, was
a winner, Like could have kept playing if not for
a skin kind of disease that he had that like
he had really bad exeema and that he couldn't like
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play in it. Guys are telling me stories of like
he couldn't even wear like his shoulder pads without like
his skin being irritated and still gutted through that to
be like as dominant as he was. I just think
it's it's a travesty that he doesn't make it.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I love you're passionate about it, and certainly I'm sure
Marion Hosa fans out there, I appreciate his contribution of
the game, and as you said, sometimes a fan votes,
you do open yourself up to some notable emissions. Coming
up next, Alex Goolagowski, Stanley Cup champion, dear friend of
Jason Demurz. He'll tell us stories not only about playing
with Jad, but also Marc Andre Fleury and Phil Kessel.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's coming up right after this. You're an NHL Unscripted.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Alex Goolagowski played more than one thousand NHL games the Penguin, Stars, Coyotes,
and wild winning a Cup with Pittsburgh in two thousand
and nine. He officially announced his retirement in September after
seventeen NHL seasons. Ladies and gentlemen, here on Unscripted, The
Goose is Loose. Welcome to Alex Galagowski. Great to see
you man, Thanks for doing.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
This, Thank you, Thank you for the intro. That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
No, of course you go way back with Jay. So
I'll let you guys get after here in a second.
I want to ask you first about being a part
of a huge trade near the deadline back in twenty eleven,
sent you to Dallas with James Neil and Matt Niskin
to come in too Pittsburgh the trade deadline coming.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I'm just curious. You know, people talk, but oh, this
is so great for this, this is the way for this.
From a player's perspective, it's not always great. This is
up people now, maybe there's a girlfriend, wife, kids, et cetera.
What was it like for you?
Speaker 9 (21:21):
Yeah, completely out of the blue. Didn't see it coming whatsoever,
But thankful I was. I was young and you know,
living by myself and family wasn't wasn't involved. Yeah, I
can imagine that's a stressful time when you're moving family
or thinking about possibly having to go across country with
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you know, everything that goes with that.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
But yeah, for me, it was completely out of the blue.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
But you know, Ray, Cheryl called me. I was waking
up for my pregame nap, and I knew that wasn't good.
We were a couple of days from the deadline, so
you know, I just kind of answered. I was like, oh, no,
where am I going? And he was just like, I'm.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Not like sending to Edmonton or anything.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
You're going to Dallas. Like all right, I could do Dallas.
So it was, uh, it ended up being great for me.
I was sad to leave Pittsburgh at that time, especially
we had such a such an awesome, you know, young team,
and but I really enjoyed my years in Dallas and
got to meet Jason Demierz there and formed a bludding
friendship for for years to come. So it was it
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ended up being a good thing.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Before we uh just bring it to all about me,
which I'll wait a little bit for that. You talk
about the trade deadline, but near the end of your
career in Mini, you had a chance to potentially go
to a Cup contending team chase another Cup, and you
kind of decided because of your family to not go
and kind of stay in Minnesota. Talk us through that
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decision and kind of how hard it was to weigh
that with Amanda, who's your lovely wife.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
I mean, like I was kind of saying earlier when
I when I got traded from Pittsburgh. You're at a
different time in your life.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
You know.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
I was I signed back here with Minnesota, my my
hometown team, my you know, the state I was born in,
and it would just it didn't feel right to leave.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
You know.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
We were still we were still grinding it out here
in Minnesota. We had a chance to get in and
you know, I just kind of wanted to see it through,
even though I wasn't playing a ton And.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
You know, if you if you decide to go, try
to chase it.
Speaker 9 (23:34):
Uh, you know, you never know how that's gonna end up.
It would have want to ended up going very far anyway,
I don't think. But no, it was I have no
regrets for doing that. I was happy to stay and uh,
you know, try to battle with my guys here to
to do something.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
So that was all good.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Goose.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It's interesting you started your career with Mark Andrey Flurry
in Pittsburgh then finished your playing days with Flurry in Minnesota.
How is young Flower different from old Flower, as his
longevity amazingly continues, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
I'm at all. It's it's crazy to tell people this
all the time.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
He is, he looks the same, he's aged unbelievably, you know,
on and off the aress. He's he's zero stress. He
he's one of those guys. He's the last guy to
the rink, like their last guy to meetings. Like he's
just always just cutting it close.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
He's just you know, no stress. He's he's just showing
up and.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
He's a last guy in, first guy out. I love that.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
Yeah, I mean he I mean not to say he
doesn't work hard. He works as hard as anybody, but
you know, he's just you know, he's he's going to
roll into the meeting one minute before it and he's
just he's just an easygoing guy. And he uh, I mean,
it's incredible what he's doing at forty one years old
to be a goalie. The way he plays, the athleticism,
and he's still so good. Like I mean, he could
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he could keep playing, in my opinion, but we'll see
what he does here. But an all time teammate, like
you won't find a better teammate, especially as a goalie.
You know, they're they got their quirks. He's he's amazing.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Well, one of his quirks is like he's the biggest prankster.
And I'm sure you feel that a lot of this,
But do you have a really good young Mark Hendrey
like when he started pranking a good prank story and
then also later in his good now that you kind
of when you went back and played with him, like
did his pranks get better? Did they stay the same?
Did he kind of? Was there any evolution to it?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
A little bit?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well?
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Funny enough, I saw it, Like last year, someone showed
me a clip of we did the It would have
been the second maybe second or third Winter Classic or no,
it wasn't the Winter Classic. We started the season over
in Sweden. We were in Stockholm and there's this video
clip of him putting it's like a little mini lobster
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or something on my shoulder and I, to that day,
I had no clue it even happened. It was a
seventeen year joke, like like I was like, I didn't
even remember this, and he's.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Just like, oh, yeah, yeah, I did that.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
Apparently I was walking around with a little lobster on
my shoulder for like three minutes in Stockholm, had no
idea and he just took it off and didn't tell
me ever. Psychopath but no, he uh like.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
A joke for himself or he's just sitting yeah, like him.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Right and then yeah, not even say anything about it.
That's uh yeah, that's him. I don't know. He's rearranged
guys rooms, he's taken, he's put rooms out in hallways,
and it's always, you know, kind of young guys. It
was great when he was here in Minnesota, when Brandon
Dewham was here too. They would go back and forth
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and I think, uh do he kind of got in
got it, got in a little deep and didn't know
what he was getting into he had. I mean, his
brand new dress shoes were nailed to the bottom of
his locker one day. He was missing, missing his briefs
quite quite a few times after games.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
So uh, it was.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
Just kind of he was playing the long game with Dewey,
just kind of chipping away at him day by day,
and eventually every he's like, I'm done, I'm done.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
You got me? So.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Phil Kestle incredible goalscorer all those years you get to
play with a couple of seasons in Arizona. I'm not
sure if you ever put a crustacean on your shoulder,
But give me a Phil Kestle story.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Oh man, where to start? Philly Philly unbelievable teammate. I
love playing with Phil. I was actually teammates with him
at the University of Minnesota for one year. Yeah, and
he came in as an underage or he was like
eighteen years old, and he just was lighting up college
hockey and just eating candy on the side and just
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I mean, just a character.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
But he uh.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
I remember I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
This Jay one day and in Arizona, because he'd always
get ship from the trainers, you know, like come on,
can get film, get him in the weight room, you know,
like oh, part of the you know, like whatever whatever.
He came into the weight room one time after like
three people go and be like Phil, come on, let's go.
Everyone's working out.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Come on, come in.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
And he came in and he grabbed he went the
hex bar lift, which is you know whatever, it's just
a leg lift.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, like a deadlift from the ground.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
Right from the ground. And there's usually like three stations,
you know, the the weaker guys like myself would go.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
I was always far right, far right, that was my station.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Don't want to get hurt. I just want to get
my work in. And then there was the middle station,
and then there was like the heavy station. There was
like three guys that would do that, all the big boys,
and Phil. Phil walked in there and he went straight
to the heavy station and he just started wrapping this
thing out. He probably did like twenty of them and
then he just dropped the bar and he's like, is
that good?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
And he just walked out.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh, there are some tough moments as well. Jason de
Murris joins with the Coyotes before the twenty seventeen Right,
you start the year ten to one, but cause she
ended up scoring in overtime against the Flyers. You guys
are both great guys, lighthearted, funny, but how did you
overcome such a brutal start?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean Jay, I ready you could probably venue
it almost real. Yeah yeah, I mean we we found
our way through it. We got through it, but I
mean we were finding we found every way you could
lose a game during that stretch.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
It was.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
It was incredible, like we we should have been at
worst like maybe a game or two hundred five hundred,
but we were just we would just lose game. The
first game of the season, I think we were up five,
five to one, four to one in Anaheim.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
In Anaheim, I.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Think we were up four to one in the third
and we lost in regulation, and then it was like a.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
Free fall after that.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
Just couldn't We're grasping for straws and coming up with nothing.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
It was. It was incredible.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
You remember, you remember in the room goose in between
the second and the third in that game, and we're like,
we're the greatest team alive.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
We might make the playoffs.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
We're gonna make the play we were contenders after that
second period. Oh and then it all came crashing down.
That was that was that start was Yeah, I'll never
forget that start either. But it ended up you know what,
that year ended up being a really fun year though,
because we we kept getting better and obviously there's teams
you know, probably taking us lately as it went along,
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but we we started at the bottom and we uh,
you know, we got we got a lot better that year.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
So it'd not being kind of a fun year.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Well, I know the stat because after January we were
like the third best record in the league. Because I
did I did convince people that we weren't a bad
team that whole summer because they're like, ah, you guys
lost eleven straight and then.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You're the one that got us.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Oh my god, tell the story of because you know
Scott Wedgwoods had a great career. But do you remember
before we won our first game, Uh, the meeting we
had with Rick Tackett and Scott Wedgwood. Take us through
that meeting because it was one of the funnier things
I've ever heard of a player say in in a meeting.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
It's yeah, it's funny enough. I actually just told this
story like two days ago because I saw Weggie. I
was just an Aspen skiing and I saw Leggie in
the airport. I was talking to him for.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
A while ago.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
Yeah, but then I was telling my buddies I was
about that was telling him this story. So we're on
what were we at that point?
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Like maybe it.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Was owner like one or it was like it was
before the road trip where we won.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
YEA with a couple ot losses.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
But so we pick up we had.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
We were struggling at the gold goaltending position, so we
picked up.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Weggie off Waivers right and.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
He came in.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
It was his first day.
Speaker 8 (31:48):
So we're in in.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
The Heila River Arena without a win to our name.
Sitting down in our video session, just like what are
we what are we going to get into today? And
you know, it's talks up there. You know, he's he's
trying everything he can at this point too, and you know,
he's just opening up the room. He's like you you know,
we have our meeting and he's like, all right, anyone
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got anything else?
Speaker 8 (32:11):
And you know, it's kind of just quiet. Only really
has anything.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
We've we've already had the Kumbaya meetings for about you know,
two weeks at this point, and then all of a sudden,
just a voice from the back. Guy's like, yeah, I
got something and he kind of goes off with a
good speech about you know, everyone's got something to play
for whatever, and it's kind of all at the same time,
everyone was kind.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Of like who is that?
Speaker 9 (32:33):
No one, no one had any idea who this guy was,
or just like this the new goalie and he's piped up.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
In the meeting. Good for him, it was.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
It was it was a funny, funny thing to be
a part of, though and walk out of there whatever,
it's just like what was that?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Like who's that?
Speaker 5 (32:48):
He was like, He's like, we got to play for
contracts and like we also got to like play for
each other and like come on, guys, like we got
it in here and we're like.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Who up? Who is this guy that we just grabbed?
Like what? And he gets us the first win?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Is the goal? Oh yeah?
Speaker 9 (33:05):
It was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Big old balls on them.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Yeah yeah, hockey guys, you.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Have aspirations to be a potential GM and and you
know you've talked about it. Is there anything I'm not
going to get into Minnesota because you're kind of working
with them a little bit. And and but if you
put your GM hat on right now, who's the guy
that intrigues you on a team? And who's a guy
that you think, like, give us your insight. I'll go here,
(33:30):
I'll go give me your insight on Ranton and Carolina
right now?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Like what what the hell do they do right now?
Speaker 8 (33:38):
You gotta trade them, don't you?
Speaker 9 (33:39):
I mean you allegedly offered him a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
I mean you can't.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
You can't just lose that guy for nothing because you
get a haul back for him. It seems weird, but uh,
I think if you know, if he's not signing you,
you have to do it.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Would you still would you still get a haul back
from you think?
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Mm hmm, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
I mean with teams now, I guess said two million,
like his cap cap fits barely anything. But yeah, you're
saying trade him because it's like he's a if he's
saying no at one hundred million and dragging his feet.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Yeah, I mean what you know if if he was
on any other team and getting traded at the deadline,
he's getting a haul back for him. You know you're
getting for sure a first round pick and probably a
roster player in a prospect.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Gustus is awesome and Alskolagowski congrats in a wonderful career
and somehow maintaining a friendship with Jason Demurz after all
these years.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Both equally impressive.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
All right time at the Little Centophile in sixty The
Oscars are taking place on Sunday, and neither Jason de
Murz or Taal PINCHEFFI will have seen the Brutalist before then.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
So the good news of.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Them is, I do not believe it's going to win
any major awards, with exception perhaps Asia and Brody Best Picture.
I'm predicting right now it won the PGA. It won
the DGA. It's going to be an Best Director. I'm
predicting Sean Baker. He won the dj that's the Director's
Guild Award. Best Actress is a very interesting race because
Mikey Madison does win the Bath to Let's Go, but
to me more won the SAG Award. Most of the
Academy is actors. I believe to me Moore will win.
(35:18):
Supporting is already a rap. Don't even bother betting on it.
And Zoe Seldon him as Kieran Culkin, which brings.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Us to Best Actor and all along.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It looks like it's going to be Adrian Brody for
the Brutalist to be his second Academy Award. He has
it once since he was twenty nine years of age
and he won for the Pianist. He was the youngest
Best Actor Oscarinner ever. But throwing a decisive monkey in
the wrench is the great Timiditay Shaloman who wins the
SAG Award and again SAG. The actors are the biggest
part of the ten thousand person Academy, so the fact
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he won the Saga is pretty good. But more notably
for the appearance here of unscripted. It's what Shalamy said
when he won.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
But the truth is, I'm really in pursuit of greatness.
I know people don't usually talk like that, but I
want to be one of the greats. I'm inspired by
the greats. I'm inspired by the greats here tonight. I'm
as inspired by Daniel day Lewis, Marlon Brando, and Viola
Davis as I am by Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps and
I want to be up there.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Jad.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So we're calling it cocky, strange, bizarre. I thought it
was fabulous, and you're married to an actress. What does
Jill think?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
What did Jill think about it? Yeah, she said it
was She really enjoyed it. She's like, oh, yeah, this
is really cool. But again he's what is he dating
a Jenner at Kardashian No. I actually really thought it
was cool. I listened to it after you talked about it.
I thought it was a very well done speech. It's
nice to hear somebody from that industry acknowledged that. Listen,
(36:43):
I'm trying to be the great, one of the greats,
and I'm trying to strive for something greater than myself,
but also be the best version of myself. And I
just think I enjoyed hearing that because a lot of
them all a lot of pandering and nonsense, and you're
just like, just get to it. You guys all want
to be the best. I'm gonna be making the most money,
just say it so. And you said something right. You
said it was unabashed, which I thought so very very
(37:06):
well done by timidth Tay Shallo May and uh, he
did great job. I'm a big fan of his. In
Dune one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Done too.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Dannyville Nev got robbed once again. Another year, another dannyville
Nev robbery. But Timothay Chalome was fantastic, great acceptance speech.
Kid is ahead of his time.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
And one more thought here just in the SAgs. I
don't know, I peop want to include this in the podcast.
You text me that you think it. You think the
Sagawarts is a masturbatory affair.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Yeah, masturbatory. The sag Awards is self masturbation. A's finest
by the acting community. Seventeen million award shows in a row.
Why not because we're the greatest. You want to clean
up downtown La put an award show there.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Everyone's looking for hatulation of some sort of merit real
quick cloth Because again I've toad you this before, and
I know you think you're good looking, so it doesn't
matter what I think. But I do think you'd be
good in the movie because you got a good look
to hit your talent.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I never once said I was good like I have
great personality.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You once said on the zoom Can I tell you, like,
look how good I look? Guys, my skin looks.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Jerking yourself off like that?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
We need you goin to bash. Then you were on
the batch in love with yourself. We do need to
get you in the biopic with the Life of NHL
start Thel Flurry. I guess it's a little guy. Flury
is are my favorite guys. This guy's five six scoring
goals to Flames.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I loved him.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
The film is called Flurry and will start. Actor Kevin
Zieger's in the Tunnel role. We already said you can
play a racist coach in the upcoming Young Blood reboot.
Now I need to get this deal Flurry biopic.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
I can play. I have a lot of range and
I can do it. I think I can do it.
Theo Flurry gave me a call I'd love to be
a part of it. I mean, his story is wild
and you know what he came from, and very harrowing that,
you know, how people can take advantage of these kids
and so like that, especially in junior and just in
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the sports field. You think you're safe at times, but
you're not. So I just think it's a it's a
crazy story, it's a it's a good cautionary tale for
a lot of kids, and I think it's going to
be great. So I would love to be a part
of it, obviously, But you know, just give me a call.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Our second guest, you're an NHL inscripted is Devin Dubnik.
Had a terrific career in the NHL, played for variety
of teams. We'll ask them about that journey, plus what
do you thought of Jordan Bennington's stellar work at the
Four Nations. Our next guest, to first round pick of
the Edmonton Oilers back in two thousand and four, went
(39:42):
on to be a three time NHL All starring collect
two hundred and fifty three wins with six NHL teams.
Also a former teammate colleague of Me and JD's NHL Network,
The one and only Devin Dubnik doude be great to
see man.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
How you been good? Thanks for that intro. That's nice,
that feels good.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Of course it's accurate.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I want to get right into Canada and the Four
Nations and you know what it's like because you represented
Canada World Championship Cup.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know the pride you have playing for our country.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
And hey, hand of the back we played it.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
Spangler Cup alumni.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
We played spang A.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Cup together and won it. So were your research ad
nan Burg.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
But listen, I want I want to go into Bennington first,
but if you want to talk Spangler Cup, I figured
Four Nations was a little more peraly Spangler Cup stories momentarily.
But I wanted to ask you to me about Binner.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Were you skeptical like others or were you confident he
would step up?
Speaker 10 (40:34):
I was in between. I wasn't skeptical. You can't be
skeptical of a guy that want to stand the cup.
And he's a very good goaltender, so there was no
there was no skepticism about his ability to do it.
It's just whether or not he would. And and again,
I mean people just didn't I didn't like to look
on paper That's kind of what I was saying.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Leading after the tournament.
Speaker 10 (40:55):
You know, people were pretty upset with Canada's goaltending for
having two Stanley Cup winners on their team and went
through the other teams no offense to anybody, but I
didn't see many, So it was funny how that worked.
And then you look, this is a guy that performs
when it matters, and he did the same thing in
the Stanley Cup playoffs and there's that experience, that experience
winning and knowing how to win. It means something, and
(41:19):
he showed it there. You know, even throughout the tournament,
people are given it to him for whatever reason.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
I mean, he faced an extremely.
Speaker 10 (41:27):
High number of high danger chances throughout the tournament and
was still playing well, and so he faced criticism throughout
the tournament as well, and all he did was come
up huge when it matter and you could just see
the way the way Bennington was moving. I mean his
save on Matthews in overtime, the blocker say, it was
like put it in a.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Textbook on how to.
Speaker 10 (41:47):
Enter and exit out of a reverse VH if that
means anything to you, guys, but it was.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
It was textbook.
Speaker 10 (41:53):
And then he follows that up with it with a
glove save, and that glove save.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Is a perfect example of just feeling it.
Speaker 10 (41:58):
I mean, that's one of the best shooters on the
planet and that thing went right in the pocket of
his glove from twenty feet.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Now, do the Connor Helliu goal against McDavid's goal.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
What was that push? Was that under? Was that an
under push or was he a little late getting out?
Speaker 10 (42:14):
I mean, I I think it's fine, listen, we can
we can, we can slow that thing down. But the
only thing you need to slow down is how fast
that thing got off of caught off of Connors stick
and went straight in the elbow.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
I mean, if you want to if it went.
Speaker 10 (42:27):
Under his hand or or you know, in the elbow
of his arm or something and he just missed it.
I mean, this is this is on and off his
stick before you even know what happens. I remember watching
the game and I knew the game was over. I'm
sure it wasn't the only one, but it was like
seeing the pass dead just miss Matthews and it wasn't
even on McDavid's stick yet, and there was just a
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part of me that was like, oh, game's over.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
We're like game Connors like game there he goes that.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
First time he got open all night too.
Speaker 10 (42:57):
I mean it was the US just doing an unbelievable
job of shutting a guy down that I didn't realize
it was possible to be shut down at all.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
It only takes once.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
No, it is true. It was a hell of a tournament.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
And again Hell quited himself, Well, he's obviously the favorite
right now for the Vesna win his third. I want
to ask you to be about some guys frustrated and
sounding off.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Luke Shehanla Petters said.
Speaker 11 (43:16):
I don't think I've ever been a part of a
group he's literally can't score goals. I mean, obviously, you know,
sometimes you're you're giving up a lot or defensive games
out there, but at least you know you get you
catch you at break and catch the puck.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
In the dead Chef Jones, the Blackhawks.
Speaker 12 (43:31):
We're the exact same team right now as you were
as Game one, and I think it's pretty pretty evident
out there we haven't made any strides to be a better,
more simple hockey team, you know, and the shows you know,
we don't get a lot of wins because of that.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
You're on some young teams in Edmonton that faced adversity.
What is that atmosphere like and how do you overcome it?
Speaker 6 (43:53):
It's difficult. I mean, you got two different situations there.
Speaker 10 (43:57):
Nashville is a strange one, right because they got all
these they got all these veteran guys who are proven
players that are still great players, and and you look
at that team and it doesn't make sense that they're
as bad as they are, because you know, maybe they
wouldn't be great and be one of the best teams
in the league, but it's strange to see how bad
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they are.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
So I don't know that that one's kind of a
weird dynamic.
Speaker 10 (44:21):
But you got to imagine all those all those guys,
veteran guys in there, who have been there, done that.
It's got to be extremely frustrating for them when they
expect a lot out of themselves and expected a.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Lot going into the season.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
And then the Chicago thing is similar to the Edmonton
For me when I started, it's just you every year.
We had a bunch of years where we were just awful,
and you get through it and there's bumps, there's some
ups and a lot of downs, but you have these glimmers,
and then you enter the next season and it's this
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new ray of hope. We get we had another first
overall draft pick in empton of like three or four
of them, and and it's like this new energy and
everybody's excited, and you have the summer and you come
in the season and we're gonna make this big step.
And then, like Seth Jones said, it is just disheartening
to be at the same spot and look and be
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like we have not grown at all.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Uh, and it's and then it's just it's demoralizing.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
You know, I don't know what your thoughts are, and
I just have a hard time when you build this
culture of losing and even though you're not trying to,
you're trying to, you know, you're trying to rebuild, they
call it, but call it what it is. They're you know,
they're breaking it down to the studs to kind of
get some top top end talents and franchise generational changing players.
Blake do be like after a while, it's like those
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guys learn how to lose, and then it's so hard
to break that habit. And I mean, you've been on
some teams where it's like you listen to Seth Jones
and a Schenner where it's like you.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
You don't even want to come to the rink anymore.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
And it's it's tough to say because it's a game
we love and you're getting paid to do it, and
but it is when you when you, it's so demoralizing
to lose that much, and you never want to get
young kids, young kids coming in the league learning that way.
Speaker 6 (46:05):
No, you nailed it. That's that's the biggest thing, is
that learning to lose. And we did exactly that in
Edmonton in it.
Speaker 10 (46:10):
And it's so tricky and you see the players, the
young players that have the most success are the guys
that come in and they get to learn and make their.
Speaker 6 (46:19):
Mistakes while winning.
Speaker 10 (46:20):
And that's that's such a big difference, because you know
they're out there making mistakes.
Speaker 6 (46:26):
You have to let them go out.
Speaker 10 (46:27):
And make mistakes and learn, but they're learning how to
win at the same time and learning like, Okay, I'm
on a winning team, like that's unacceptable. You know, I'm
not going to get sent down to the miners for
making that mistake, but I'm going to know quickly that
that's unacceptable.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
And that's not going to help us win in Edmonton.
Speaker 10 (46:43):
For us, it was like we had you know, Taylor Hall,
Jordan Everley, Nugent Hopkins, Nail Jacopov.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
And yeah, Justin Justin Schultz was there.
Speaker 10 (46:57):
I mean, we had all these young guys and they're
they're great players and they turned out they went on
to be great players.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
So they were great hockey. There is almost all of them.
Speaker 10 (47:05):
Yeah, my boy Nail, but we uh they they were
given ice time, so they come in and instead of
coming in on a team and and learning through winning
and learning from from and earning what they got, they
came in and it was just like first line minutes
point night, Like they just they got what they got,
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regardless of if we lost ten games in a row.
There was no there was no one pushing behind them.
And they learned like they learned everything the wrong way.
It was just it was about getting the points. And
I mean, listen, it's it's also survival mode because like
you said, you start.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
To hate coming to the rink and.
Speaker 10 (47:47):
And hockey's not fun. You got to find a way
to make it fun. You got it, and scoring goals
is fun. So but they you just don't learn to
play the right way. And that's why it's not surprising
that that those guys need to go elsewhere and put
themselves in different situations to learn what.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
It is and how to play and how to win.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I wanted to ask me about a specific moment. This
is the last one for me. You bounce around between Edmonton, Nashville, Arizona.
You end up in Minnesota. You started thirty eight straight games,
which is insane. You get named at All Star, you
win the Mashton, you finish third invested voting, and maybe
even more impressive fourth in the heart fote.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
How did you do it?
Speaker 6 (48:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (48:28):
That was That was a crazy, crazy year. You know,
I I call it playing with house money. So it
was I was you know, I was almost sute of
the league, and Arizona was the only team that offered
me a one way contract.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
I was excited for it. It was a place I
was familiar with. I played.
Speaker 10 (48:45):
Against them a whole bunch, knew a bunch of the
guys in the room. Was a very comfortable situation for
me to go into new Shawn Burke. I was excited
to work with him, so I was able to kind
of slowly get my game up and and also in
case you guys were wondering, it's not a hockey hotbed.
So I could go there and be away from pressure
and not feel like every time I stepped on the
ice my game was going to get picked apart by
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by eighteen beat writers. I was able to kind of
go and find my game within the least pressure area
that I that I could, and so I could I
kind of build my game up and and at first,
going into the season, I was like, Hey, I'm just
going to be grateful of being playing in the NHL,
and it doesn't matter how many games I get.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
I'm gonna enjoy when I get on the ice and
just enjoy it. And I did, and that was my mindset.
Speaker 10 (49:30):
But then, you know, as I started to play more
and started to earn more starts and two in a row,
three in a row here.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
And there, I started to get the itch back and
I was.
Speaker 10 (49:37):
Like, hey, I can do this, Like I I could
be a starting goal or at least play more. And
then you know, the trade talks start to kind of
bubble around and nothing really got serious. I knew that
there was a chance, but because it wasn't. It was
before the deadline in January and then all of a sudden,
it was off to Minnesota, and again I knew nothing.
I had no expectations going to Minnesota. The only thing
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I knew is they were a really good hockey team
that was not performing, not getting wins. But I knew
they were good. So I just kind of said to myself,
same same approach. Enjoy every game, don't think about what
this means for next year, don't think about us having
a two percent chance of making the playoffs. Just get
ready for every game and enjoy it. And then it
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just kind of it just kind of snowball. And I
just like I said, I was playing with house money,
so I was never everything was a bonus from there
on out. I was going to be going to the
season thinking I was going to get eighteen to twenty games,
and now I'm playing And then and then I started
playing so much in a row that it was almost
like like we needed to win every game. And the
other goal he hadn't played. It was Darcy Kemper and
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Nicholas Bactrim. They hadn't played a month, then month and
a half, and it was like, now we need these
wins and they hadn't played for six weeks so we
can't put them in because it's not fair for them
and we need these wins.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
So it just kind of kept going until we finally clinched.
Speaker 10 (50:57):
The playoffs and then and then I got a night off.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
All right, thanks? What's going to Devin? Dude?
Speaker 6 (51:08):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Some great stuff they're on goal to. I'm not sure
if all of you heard it, but me and Jason
definitely did. All right, Jady, how do you want to
close up things anitalln scripted Episode thirteen?
Speaker 1 (51:16):
What do you got for me? Am I wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (51:19):
Final thoughts for am I wrong? And this is a
question to the folks in the back everybody. When you
text somebody, and I know we're in a world where
it's texting and I personally would rather FaceTime and call people,
but we're in a group thread. The three of us,
me and tal will will very very passionately send text
messages talking about how we want the show to go,
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what guests we want, how we want things to be formatted.
Very you know, we care, and our colleague here at
NNVERK will just give you and I'll send, like again,
I look like a crazy ex girlfriend. I'll send like
four messages in a row and I might over message.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
It's exactly I think the proper right there, over the
hell up, shut the hell. I might.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
I might over message at times, but all I get
I'll send four messages very nice and tale respond to me,
and then we'll get I'll look at my phone, I'll
see ping, ping, ping notifications.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
Ad NaN's responded.
Speaker 5 (52:17):
I'm like, oh, he's answering back with like a nice answer,
thoughtful answer. No, it's a reaction to whatever I texted,
whether it's a thumbs up, a goddamn exclamation point, or
a thumbs down, maybe a haha at times if it's
something funny, And I find that such a slap in
the face. So people, when you send a long text message,
is it a slap in the face when somebody just
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sends a reaction instead of an actual thoughtful answer.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
In return, I think it's really funny. I'm glad that
you're passionate about it. But Tow will back me up.
He doesn't want to do this because as a producer
it's hard.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
You don't want to play favorites. But in fairness, I
did just read his book. He knows that you over message,
and because he's to produce, you just to be polite
and placates you. I'm smart, I'm just efficient. So I
just go, Okay, this isn't notable, but I'll give you
a like, I'll give you up be sizes like I'm
paying attention. But it's it's too much. Tell back me up,
it's too much.
Speaker 13 (53:06):
Well for there's no right answer for me right now.
I'm just gonna throw that out there. I love the passion.
I'm gonna think I'm gonna come in and just diplomatically
say that it's a pleasure to work with someone who
is so fully invested in making NHL Unscripted the best
and most successful show it can be. But yeah, sometimes
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it's a bit much.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Sorry, Jay, thanks for listening to Unscripted. Enjoy the oscars.
Speaker 7 (53:37):
Will be back next week, boo.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
We are back here on NHL Unscripted. This would be
great episode all right, Episode thirteen.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Vika Devers, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It was always to NHL on I Heard podcast. JD's
already a little sour. He's in Montreal right now recording
this late at night, but he's always loyal to the
cause first and foremost to all those who are watching
Amazon Pride mon Night Hockey, as was Jason Demurz. I
promised that biz Nasty was going to join us here
in the pocket. He's going on coast to coast with
any Petrillo on Thursday, but biz Nasty inter reschedule.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
He will come back with us another time. We have
a great episode.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Alice Goolagoski, close friend of Jason Demurz, played a thousand
games NHL, has great stories not only but his own career,
but also Marc Andre Fleury and Phil Kessel. Devin Dubnick
an old buddy of ours, a teammate of jd's't the
Spangler Cup for Canada, but also teammate of ours at
NHL Network. He talks about I don't know if I
want to tease it. It may not make the cut corn
to tell, but he's going to talk about goaltending. I
can tell you the NHL today, and it's gonna be
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fascining to listen to. Before we get to that, though,
I get a surprise for you. I travel so much
now with Amazon. People are surprised with this because how
much I love movies. But I said, no, I don't
like to watch movies on planes. I'm one of those guys.
I'd like to watch it at home or watch it
in theater. I don't want to be aout playing the
small screen demers. Just watched six movies in three cross
country flights. I don't want jour number two there.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
What I do is this. I read.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I tracked if I read, and I said to myself,
because you don't pay attention to others.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're so vain and self absorbed. We don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Tal Pinchewski casually mentally written a book. So I went
on Amazon and I bought Breakaway from Behind the Iron
Curtain to the NHL, The Untold Story of Hockey's Great Escapes.
And I bought Tal's book and I just finished it.
I made a power read to Winnipeg. And back from Winnipeg.
How many ever seen it? Tean trying to Winnipeg. I mean,
this is a book with just two or in sixty
four pages.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You read though in two flights.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I mean, I fly you.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Are you like a speed reader? Are you like the.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
If I'm fixing on something, I'm a little bit obsessive,
much like my movie Watch.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, I want to fish on. I'm finishing taws book.
I'll take four hours, Like no, I'll get the hotel.
I gotta fish this book before I go to bed,
Like why did you step till to me?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Am?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I had to finish tal Pinchewski's book. I want to
know more about Peter Klima.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Now I want to read this part too, specifically because
it's about I wish you were before you get into that.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I wish you'd be more obsessive about promoting this podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
We'll get to that in a second. Here's one of
my favorite parts. And then for those certain and you
should all read the book?
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Talk about it? And I don't. I can't believe how
much research you did. This is insane. The amount of
people you talk to like it. It reads like a thriller,
especially the Stassins, Peter claim out like horrifying, and Jed
you can speakcause you played in Russia. You know what
it's like.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, times with Fatisa trying to leave, Victor tiking off
and all this stuff, and I casually about buttal talk
to all these people. Love the quotes from my buddy
Ken Danico, but I need to focus on this specifically
because this will appreciate both of you guys being Montreal guys.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
This is page one thirty four. Given the agents following
the Czechoslovakian national team, so Boda would have to find
the right time to spare it the twenty one year
old Volac.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Away David Vola course remember him from the Rangers. He
would also to find a dark, central location where this
clandestine meeting wouldn't allouse too much suspicion. The best place
of what I could find was a popular downtown strip
club named Shaye Pyrie. It was a popular place, especially
in the eighties. What would have elapse and still now wow,
Well before.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I comment on shape Pray which you know, me filming
this pod so so late, I can't even go there
and get their famous you know ten pm steak. But again,
tall great research and once again, if the research was
this thorough for this podcast, we would be top in
the country right now. So fantastic work by both of you.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I love it all Right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
We just got back from the road, which is a
Winnipeg Jets game. I want to ask you about the Sharks.
If we don't talk enough about the Sharks and you
cover the game, you work for the team, your former Shark.
I gotta tell you, buddy, watching that team and I'm
expecting everyone's cat calling.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And going, oh my god, here we go. Sharks versus Jets.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Shark's fewest points in the NHL, the Jets at the
second most of the time, your Sharks played a sound,
defensive game.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Fan of check was great. Celebrating is such a joy
to watch out there one nothing lead, unfortunately Josh Morrison
and fortunate for the Sharks. Josh Worts scores twenty six
seconds left, jetson winning it overtime. But good fight from
your Sharks. I get we are talking abou all NHL teams,
Drew on this podcast. I like seeing a team fighting
even though they have nothing left to fight for.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, you know, I hope it continues past the trade deadline.
You know you have a lot of guys that are
probably you know, sought after by a lot of teams
in the league that are looking at some depth pieces.
So you know you're hoping that continues post trade deadline,
and guys you know that have been very good soldiers.
And the one thing I'll say about this team is
notice complain. They haven't said boo. They've worked their ass
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off a night in and night out, and they haven't
got the results they've wanted to get and have hoped for.
But there's a lot to like, and they're trying to
build a culture here of at least work ethic and
knowing that the wins will come. But man, it's tough
when you start finding ways to lose versus finding ways
to win. It's such a fine line in the NHL.
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And it's tough because I've been on those teams where
you just can't find a way.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You're like, what the hell, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
We're doing everything right, and the hockey gods reward us
plays plays almighty reward us, and he does not.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
He casts you asunder night in and night out.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
So I feel for them, and I've been there, done that,
and I've also been on the teams where you you
literally could go not piss a drop and win a
game because you're just the confidence is so high and
you guys all believe you're going to win. So it's
really a mindset shift and hopefully these guys can find it.
But you know, they're exciting to watch. They work hard.
I know you watch that game. I watched it. They
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play hard, they work hard. They led for what fifty
six minutes of that game? Fifty seven minutes something like that,
And it's just closing out games. It's like the last
thing they got to learn is closing out games.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
And I don't know how.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Many games this season where they've been up in the
third period and have kind of blown it and you know,
chalk it up to the lucky unlucky bounces and they
just can't find a way. But yeah, there's there's there's
a lot to like. There's a lot of bright spots
in this team, and I think those young guys are
really starting to pick it out of the mclin's Brine's
a stud.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
We'll get to your comedy about Adam Fox, which went viral,
particularly here in the New York City area, But one
thought here on the Jets. I want to get your
opinion on they won ten in a row. They're making
a run for the President's Trophy. We all, no one
will remember this team unless they actually go deep in
the playoffs and hell a Buck exercises his playoff demons.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I want to ask you this. Our buddy, Thomas Sicky
said during the game, and I'm not a fan of
this guy. Has to sit down with him. Josh Morris.
He's a great dude. Do you think Morris he's a
top ten defense from right now in hockey?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Ooh, that's tough. I honestly, man, that's a tough one.
It's hard to say. I think he's right on the
cusp of it. If not the number ten spot, I
think there's a lot of guys at the number ten spot.
Me being as politically correct as possible.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I love the kid.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I played with him at World Championships, nice and funny
enough that tournament. I was playing more minutes than him,
and now I'm like, so he's getting so much better
than me. We would have won that term, even though
we lost and shootout if he was playing more minutes.
But he's he's a great team and he looks so effort,
listen for not being a big guy, battles so hard,
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He's got a bomb of a shot, and plays heavy
minutes defensively and offensively. So I think he's worth consideration
the top ten. I don't think he gets enough love
from from people in the NHL, and if you ask
anybody on that team, I know he's a dog. But again,
you said it, unless they do something in the playoffs.
I think the more this gets close to the playoffs,
the more the pressure is gonna mount. If they don't
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get out of the first round, let alone make it
to the conference finals, it's a waste of a season
for this team.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So that's my take.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Take it, leave it, digest it, regurgitate it, whatever you want.
If that goes viral, so be it. But I'm saying
right now, they do not make the conference finals, it's
a waste of a season for the Winnipeg Jets. And
I love everything about that team right now, love everything.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
No, I love that pick. Someone said to me, they
gotta win around a go win a round. They might
have a conce points you can get. I got.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I need Final four and I need to lose that
Conference finals in a hard fought six or seven game series.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They you gotta get deep and look good going deep.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
They get right now they have their gold differentials plus
plus seventy plus seventy. They've won ten straight in the
dog days of the season at NET.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Give me.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Gave Lord of Kingston guy. I love Lord Him. It's
gonna deal both Kingston guys.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
All right, speaking of going viral, what are you doing
pissing off people about Adam Fox?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, one of my all time backfires. There when you're
just trying to kind of give a concise answer as
an analyst and a commentator, you were asked certain questions
and you give certain responses, and much of the chagrin
of the New York Rangers fan base. I was shit
upon by everybody and they start pulling up because I
said Adam Fox and I wasn't even saying my opinion,
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but I you know, I did probably add some stuff
to it. And I feel bad nocuse Adam Fox is
hurt on the IR but all the more reason that
they need to go get more help because they're asking
him to do way too much. And I was prefacing
the whole and to give a context and what I said,
I said, guys, in the league that I've heard have
said that Adam Fox come playoff time or in the
playoffs is they'd rather play against him than other defensemen
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in the NHL, because when you're gonna go into the corner,
you know you're not gonna get hit.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
He's not.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
His escapability is not as good as a Quinn Hugh
is a Kale mccarr and he plays as heavy minutes
as those guys. So if I'm a guy that's physical,
I'm looking at him being like licking my lips, being
like I can put in his corner and try to
run him every time. Now, his hockey at Q is
through the roof. He's a Noris Trophy winner. He's a
guy that's been in the Eastern Conference Finals twice. You know,
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largely not just because of him. He was a big
part of it. Obviously, Ego Shusterkin has been incredible for
that team. But it was more saying to the New
York Rangers, and I've been on the New York Rangers
ownership and management group all season saying they need to
go get somebody to help them. They thought Candre Miller
was gonna be that guy. Obviously, we don't think Candre
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will become that defenseman other than being a top four.
You'll be a top four defenseman, Candre, but he's not
going to be your top two. They're asking Ryan Lindgren
to punch way above his weight class, and I just
don't think right now, where the NHL is where they
need to go and win a Stanley Cup, that is
the right pairing Ryan Lindgren and Adam Fox. Now, they've
tested and experimented with a few other guys, but they
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need to get him a legitimate, bona fide defenseman to
play with him. Cale mccar's Davontave's Quinn Hughes, who's an
enigma and can really play with anybody. Had Luke Schen
early in his career, does really well with Philipperonic. But
you look at the top guys, they typically have somebody
that can help them and minimize the load a little
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bit and minimize the stress on their game and on
their body, and I just think they need to get
a guy that's gonna really help Adam Fox physically stay
healthy and make sure they don't wear him out, because
the last thing you want is your franchise defenseman to
constantly be injured and be out and not be effective
what he's brought in to do, which is offense. So
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everybody in the sorry, let me finish Parkley up. Every
in the Rangers fan base, you can suck it. I
don't apologize for what I said. I still have Adam
Fox and I think he's great, but they need to
get him help.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So Rangers fans suck it.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And unfortunately now Adam Fox injured. So hopefully he's back sooner,
but later it's not something serious again, Well shall find out.
All right, a few topics we're gonna hit on here,
and then we're gonna get to Alex Glogowski first and foremost,
Alex Ovechkin, the great chase.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Two forty to go on a third period, hena puck
that comes to all Bedstead, he starts. Hete did it,
Hete did it. It's a hat trick for all that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Skander thirty second career hat trick against the Oilers, added
a goal Tuesday against Calgary. As of this moment, we're
taping this Wednesday night, eight hundred and eighty three career goals.
He has twelve goals shy of passing Wayne Gretzky's all
time goals record the Capitals have twenty four games left
in the season, tongue firmly in cheek. I asked you
this a few weeks ago, and you said, yeah, he'll
break the record like October twelfth, Like we'll have to
wait all off season.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Now it appears he's going to do it this year.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I believe the latest productions are like April third, he's
about to have a fifty goal season.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
At the age of thirty nine.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Jay Wild, Yeah, I'm done saying anything against contrary to
what I think he's gonna do, because I've been wrong
seventeen different times. Last year, I said he wouldn't get thirty.
He got thirty. I owed Mike Rup a bottle camus.
This year again, I said, no, I won't get thirty
this year, another bottle Camus out the window with Mike
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Croup doubled down, And now I said he's gonna break
it October twelfth. It's probably gonna do it April twelfth
or whatever, the April the last game of the season
or before that. So I'm just eating crow. As they
say constantly, he is shoving it up my tailpipe.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh, I gave a pause.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
So he's shoving Come on, let's keep that. But he's
just given He's given it to me. He's probably an
avid listener of this show. And here's all of my comments.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I'm so you think i'm.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Script who knows?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Man?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
We got a lot of listeners. Could be one of them,
could have a loyal It's not how many you have,
it's who you have. And Alexander Vetchkin could be one.
But yeah, he's It's crazy what he's doing at his age,
scoring in different ways. I know people are like empty netters.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I'm like, man, yeah, people craping about that, but he's not.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
You've got to score in an empty net. And he's
not a liability when he's out there six on five.
Like most teams, you're putting out your most defensive players
on a six on five if you're, you know, trying
to not give up a goal. They're putting him out there, Yeah,
to help him get the record, but they wouldn't do
it if they didn't trust him defensively. And he's showing
out and he's getting goals and he's it seems like
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this team has a lot to play for this year
and they're rallying behind this and and I mean what
a way to end his career to win do this
record this year? And then basically like we went from
him is he going to break the record to what's
the new record going to be said at?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Like what's the number? Like what's your number?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
For you?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's a great topic because here's the he's going to
blast through nine hundred goals. But I wouldn't bet against
a thousand. I don't believe he will, but I wouldn't
bet against it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You say a thousand?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Are you to me? That's insane?
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'm not saying he's going I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
That's another one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
One hundred or twenty one hundred and seventeen goals?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
One hundred and seventeen goals? No, I think I think
it's not crazy to think he can break like nine
thirty nine point fifty. I think he could do that
if he pends how much gas he wants to he's
got left in the tank, and how much long he
wants to play. But I mean that's one to clip
and say, what how many goals do we think Alexandrovitchkin
is going to end up his career? What's the record
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going to be at? Because we got to stop saying
is he going to break the record. It's now a
question of when. But now what is the next record for? Like,
what's the next record going to end at? Where's Alexandrovitchin
going to end his goal scored oring? What would you
call it his goal scoring record?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Is this all time goals record? You'll records?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Where would it end? Clip it?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Alexandrovchkin go, I love the fact, audibly calling for the clipping.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
We gotta do that.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We got to do that now, Mark seventh. Trade deadline
is fast approaching. This is fasting stray right now with Ransom,
he's yet to sign extension with Carolina.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
The Avalanche trade him. Carolina thinks, now we got our superstar.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Now we got our got we gave up Marty Bechris.
Now we got our guy to take us over the top.
And all of a sudden, now reportedly they offer him
one hundred million clams and he's like, eh, do you want?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I want?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You know?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Elliott Elliott Friedman reported that, So if he says it,
it's all but all, but take it as religion and
take it as gospel because he's usually right on the money.
So if Carolina can't. I would give him a deadline
and be like, we got to move him. But you
know they're not really operating from a from a position
of power. And if you look at Carolina, if Ranton
doesn't sign and doesn't and doesn't, they don't trade him,
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and they lose him in free agency, and they lose
Jake Gnsel, Marty Nachius and Miko Rotten and all within
a year and a half two years. That has to
go down as some of the worst GMing ownershipping whatever
you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Uh, But how do you avoid this? Do you have
a conversation with Ransom's agent before his temperary?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
How do you How do you know that a guys
should agree to extension before you trade for him?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
How could you do it?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
You lock him in a room, you're time to a chair,
and then you say you're not leaving until you give
us an answer. There's not much more Like. If I'm Carolina,
I'm freaking out right now, I'm freaking out. If I'm
a Carolina Hurricanes fan, let alone Carolina ownership and management.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like I'm freaking out, I'm I'm not sleeping.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
If I'm Tulsky, I'm calling him like I'm an ex
I'm a crazy ex girlfriend trying to get get back
with my boyfriend. I am calling him, texting him five
hundred times a day. I'm like me when I'm texting
you nonstly to promote the pod, and then all you
do is send me a reaction of a thumbs up
that actually give me any love. Anyway, we'll talk about that.
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That's that's my AMI wrong segment. We're gonna tease that
am I wrong segment. But if he's dragging his feet
for this, I mean, I don't know what this guy wants,
so I trade him and just keep the change.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean that that would be egg on the face.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I don't know what the answer is, but that would
be awfully tough to reverse that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
All right, everyone ask to no out there.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
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about this.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You post it on.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Ig Eddie Old Checkley Eddie Old Chiswall and so was
with you, guys, call he's promoting this the all Coarters
Sentry team and all of you unanimously stunned by the
notable snub of Marion Hosa.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Is it because his name is Marion? Why didn't he
get more love?
Speaker 5 (18:04):
It's his name is Mary Ann No, Well, this is
voted by the fans, So this is all fans, and
they had like their first round of voting for the
first teams, Mary and Hosa didn't even make it. And
I was like, listen, I'm all for fan voting, and
but if this is what I'm gonna get, like, revoke it. Like,
just revoke the fan voting because the fact that you
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would leave Mary and Hosa, who we were all joking
about that he played in the same era as me,
Eddie Olcik and Mike Grepp, who all played in different
eras and dominated every single one of those eras.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
This guy is over thirteen.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Hundred games played, over eleven hundred points, two hundred and
five games played in the playoffs, one hundred and forty
nine points. He's as productive in the playoffs as he
was in the season selky nominee.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
What did he have?
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I'm gonna give you one of ninety three players in
NHL history Tocord over a thousand points.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Guy's got three cups. It like the way he.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Dominated like multiple generations and just was so good defensively,
so good, offensively so strong. One of the hardest guys
I've ever played against. We all looked at each other.
We're like kind of building out. We're talking before the
show and we're talking about snubs and Eddie Oltchak Goes
is married a host on this list, and we're like, no,
he's not on there.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
They're like, no, he didn't make it. We're like, are
you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Like this is the guy that you guys leave off,
Like forget about any stubs. This guy, this is an
all time snub because everything he did, penalty kill, power,
play five on five important situations, was a leader, was
a winner, Like could have kept playing if not for
a skin kind of disease that he had that like
he had really bad exeema and that he couldn't like
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play in it. Guys are telling me stories of like
he couldn't even wear like his shoulder pads without like
his skin being irritated and still gutted through that to
be like as dominant as he was. I just think
it's it's a travesty that he doesn't make it.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I love you're passionate about it, and certainly I'm sure
Marion Hosa fans out there, I appreciate his contribution of
the game, and as you said, sometimes a fan votes,
you do open yourself up to some notable emissions. Coming
up next, Alex Goolagowski, Stanley Cup champion, dear friend of
Jason Demurz. He'll tell us stories not only about playing
with Jad, but also Marc Andre Fleury and Phil Kessel.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's coming up right after this. You're an NHL Unscripted.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Alex Goolagowski played more than one thousand NHL games the Penguin, Stars, Coyotes,
and wild winning a Cup with Pittsburgh in two thousand
and nine. He officially announced his retirement in September after
seventeen NHL seasons. Ladies and gentlemen, here on Unscripted, The
Goose is Loose. Welcome to Alex Galagowski. Great to see
you man, Thanks for doing.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
This, Thank you, Thank you for the intro. That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
No, of course you go way back with Jay. So
I'll let you guys get after here in a second.
I want to ask you first about being a part
of a huge trade near the deadline back in twenty eleven,
sent you to Dallas with James Neil and Matt Niskin
to come in too Pittsburgh the trade deadline coming.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I'm just curious. You know, people talk, but oh, this
is so great for this, this is the way for this.
From a player's perspective, it's not always great. This is
up people now, maybe there's a girlfriend, wife, kids, et cetera.
What was it like for you?
Speaker 9 (21:21):
Yeah, completely out of the blue. Didn't see it coming whatsoever,
But thankful I was. I was young and you know,
living by myself and family wasn't wasn't involved. Yeah, I
can imagine that's a stressful time when you're moving family
or thinking about possibly having to go across country with
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you know, everything that goes with that.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
But yeah, for me, it was completely out of the blue.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
But you know, Ray, Cheryl called me. I was waking
up for my pregame nap, and I knew that wasn't good.
We were a couple of days from the deadline, so
you know, I just kind of answered. I was like, oh, no,
where am I going? And he was just like, I'm.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Not like sending to Edmonton or anything.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
You're going to Dallas. Like all right, I could do Dallas.
So it was, uh, it ended up being great for me.
I was sad to leave Pittsburgh at that time, especially
we had such a such an awesome, you know, young team,
and but I really enjoyed my years in Dallas and
got to meet Jason Demierz there and formed a bludding
friendship for for years to come. So it was it
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ended up being a good thing.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Before we uh just bring it to all about me,
which I'll wait a little bit for that. You talk
about the trade deadline, but near the end of your
career in Mini, you had a chance to potentially go
to a Cup contending team chase another Cup, and you
kind of decided because of your family to not go
and kind of stay in Minnesota. Talk us through that
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decision and kind of how hard it was to weigh
that with Amanda, who's your lovely wife.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
I mean, like I was kind of saying earlier when
I when I got traded from Pittsburgh. You're at a
different time in your life.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
You know.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
I was I signed back here with Minnesota, my my
hometown team, my you know, the state I was born in,
and it would just it didn't feel right to leave.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
You know.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
We were still we were still grinding it out here
in Minnesota. We had a chance to get in and
you know, I just kind of wanted to see it through,
even though I wasn't playing a ton And.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
You know, if you if you decide to go, try
to chase it.
Speaker 9 (23:34):
Uh, you know, you never know how that's gonna end up.
It would have want to ended up going very far anyway,
I don't think. But no, it was I have no
regrets for doing that. I was happy to stay and uh,
you know, try to battle with my guys here to
to do something.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
So that was all good.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Goose.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It's interesting you started your career with Mark Andrey Flurry
in Pittsburgh then finished your playing days with Flurry in Minnesota.
How is young Flower different from old Flower, as his
longevity amazingly continues, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
I'm at all. It's it's crazy to tell people this
all the time.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
He is, he looks the same, he's aged unbelievably, you know,
on and off the aress. He's he's zero stress. He
he's one of those guys. He's the last guy to
the rink, like their last guy to meetings. Like he's
just always just cutting it close.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
He's just you know, no stress. He's he's just showing
up and.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
He's a last guy in, first guy out. I love that.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
Yeah, I mean he I mean not to say he
doesn't work hard. He works as hard as anybody, but
you know, he's just you know, he's he's going to
roll into the meeting one minute before it and he's
just he's just an easygoing guy. And he uh, I mean,
it's incredible what he's doing at forty one years old
to be a goalie. The way he plays, the athleticism,
and he's still so good. Like I mean, he could
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he could keep playing, in my opinion, but we'll see
what he does here. But an all time teammate, like
you won't find a better teammate, especially as a goalie.
You know, they're they got their quirks. He's he's amazing.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Well, one of his quirks is like he's the biggest prankster.
And I'm sure you feel that a lot of this,
But do you have a really good young Mark Hendrey
like when he started pranking a good prank story and
then also later in his good now that you kind
of when you went back and played with him, like
did his pranks get better? Did they stay the same?
Did he kind of? Was there any evolution to it?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
A little bit?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well?
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Funny enough, I saw it, Like last year, someone showed
me a clip of we did the It would have
been the second maybe second or third Winter Classic or no,
it wasn't the Winter Classic. We started the season over
in Sweden. We were in Stockholm and there's this video
clip of him putting it's like a little mini lobster
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or something on my shoulder and I, to that day,
I had no clue it even happened. It was a
seventeen year joke, like like I was like, I didn't
even remember this, and he's.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Just like, oh, yeah, yeah, I did that.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
Apparently I was walking around with a little lobster on
my shoulder for like three minutes in Stockholm, had no
idea and he just took it off and didn't tell
me ever. Psychopath but no, he uh like.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
A joke for himself or he's just sitting yeah, like him.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Right and then yeah, not even say anything about it.
That's uh yeah, that's him. I don't know. He's rearranged
guys rooms, he's taken, he's put rooms out in hallways,
and it's always, you know, kind of young guys. It
was great when he was here in Minnesota, when Brandon
Dewham was here too. They would go back and forth
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and I think, uh do he kind of got in
got it, got in a little deep and didn't know
what he was getting into he had. I mean, his
brand new dress shoes were nailed to the bottom of
his locker one day. He was missing, missing his briefs
quite quite a few times after games.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
So uh, it was.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
Just kind of he was playing the long game with Dewey,
just kind of chipping away at him day by day,
and eventually every he's like, I'm done, I'm done.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
You got me? So.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Phil Kestle incredible goalscorer all those years you get to
play with a couple of seasons in Arizona. I'm not
sure if you ever put a crustacean on your shoulder,
But give me a Phil Kestle story.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Oh man, where to start? Philly Philly unbelievable teammate. I
love playing with Phil. I was actually teammates with him
at the University of Minnesota for one year. Yeah, and
he came in as an underage or he was like
eighteen years old, and he just was lighting up college
hockey and just eating candy on the side and just
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I mean, just a character.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
But he uh.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
I remember I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
This Jay one day and in Arizona, because he'd always
get ship from the trainers, you know, like come on,
can get film, get him in the weight room, you know,
like oh, part of the you know, like whatever whatever.
He came into the weight room one time after like
three people go and be like Phil, come on, let's go.
Everyone's working out.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Come on, come in.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
And he came in and he grabbed he went the
hex bar lift, which is you know whatever, it's just
a leg lift.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, like a deadlift from the ground.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
Right from the ground. And there's usually like three stations,
you know, the the weaker guys like myself would go.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
I was always far right, far right, that was my station.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Don't want to get hurt. I just want to get
my work in. And then there was the middle station,
and then there was like the heavy station. There was
like three guys that would do that, all the big boys,
and Phil. Phil walked in there and he went straight
to the heavy station and he just started wrapping this
thing out. He probably did like twenty of them and
then he just dropped the bar and he's like, is
that good?
Speaker 6 (28:54):
And he just walked out.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh, there are some tough moments as well. Jason de
Murris joins with the Coyotes before the twenty seventeen Right,
you start the year ten to one, but cause she
ended up scoring in overtime against the Flyers. You guys
are both great guys, lighthearted, funny, but how did you
overcome such a brutal start?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean Jay, I ready you could probably venue
it almost real. Yeah yeah, I mean we we found
our way through it. We got through it, but I
mean we were finding we found every way you could
lose a game during that stretch.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
It was.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
It was incredible, like we we should have been at
worst like maybe a game or two hundred five hundred,
but we were just we would just lose game. The
first game of the season, I think we were up five,
five to one, four to one in Anaheim.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
In Anaheim, I.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Think we were up four to one in the third
and we lost in regulation, and then it was like a.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
Free fall after that.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
Just couldn't We're grasping for straws and coming up with nothing.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
It was. It was incredible.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
You remember, you remember in the room goose in between
the second and the third in that game, and we're like,
we're the greatest team alive.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
We might make the playoffs.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
We're gonna make the play we were contenders after that
second period. Oh and then it all came crashing down.
That was that was that start was Yeah, I'll never
forget that start either. But it ended up you know what,
that year ended up being a really fun year though,
because we we kept getting better and obviously there's teams
you know, probably taking us lately as it went along,
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but we we started at the bottom and we uh,
you know, we got we got a lot better that year.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
So it'd not being kind of a fun year.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Well, I know the stat because after January we were
like the third best record in the league. Because I
did I did convince people that we weren't a bad
team that whole summer because they're like, ah, you guys
lost eleven straight and then.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You're the one that got us.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Oh my god, tell the story of because you know
Scott Wedgwoods had a great career. But do you remember
before we won our first game, Uh, the meeting we
had with Rick Tackett and Scott Wedgwood. Take us through
that meeting because it was one of the funnier things
I've ever heard of a player say in in a meeting.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
It's yeah, it's funny enough. I actually just told this
story like two days ago because I saw Weggie. I
was just an Aspen skiing and I saw Leggie in
the airport. I was talking to him for.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
A while ago.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
Yeah, but then I was telling my buddies I was
about that was telling him this story. So we're on
what were we at that point?
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Like maybe it.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Was owner like one or it was like it was
before the road trip where we won.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
YEA with a couple ot losses.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
But so we pick up we had.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
We were struggling at the gold goaltending position, so we
picked up.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Weggie off Waivers right and.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
He came in.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
It was his first day.
Speaker 8 (31:48):
So we're in in.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
The Heila River Arena without a win to our name.
Sitting down in our video session, just like what are
we what are we going to get into today? And
you know, it's talks up there. You know, he's he's
trying everything he can at this point too, and you know,
he's just opening up the room. He's like you you know,
we have our meeting and he's like, all right, anyone
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got anything else?
Speaker 8 (32:11):
And you know, it's kind of just quiet. Only really
has anything.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
We've we've already had the Kumbaya meetings for about you know,
two weeks at this point, and then all of a sudden,
just a voice from the back. Guy's like, yeah, I
got something and he kind of goes off with a
good speech about you know, everyone's got something to play
for whatever, and it's kind of all at the same time,
everyone was kind.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Of like who is that?
Speaker 9 (32:33):
No one, no one had any idea who this guy was,
or just like this the new goalie and he's piped up.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
In the meeting. Good for him, it was.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
It was it was a funny, funny thing to be
a part of, though and walk out of there whatever,
it's just like what was that?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Like who's that?
Speaker 5 (32:48):
He was like, He's like, we got to play for
contracts and like we also got to like play for
each other and like come on, guys, like we got
it in here and we're like.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Who up? Who is this guy that we just grabbed?
Like what? And he gets us the first win?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Is the goal? Oh yeah?
Speaker 9 (33:05):
It was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Big old balls on them.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Yeah yeah, hockey guys, you.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Have aspirations to be a potential GM and and you
know you've talked about it. Is there anything I'm not
going to get into Minnesota because you're kind of working
with them a little bit. And and but if you
put your GM hat on right now, who's the guy
that intrigues you on a team? And who's a guy
that you think, like, give us your insight. I'll go here,
(33:30):
I'll go give me your insight on Ranton and Carolina
right now?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Like what what the hell do they do right now?
Speaker 8 (33:38):
You gotta trade them, don't you?
Speaker 9 (33:39):
I mean you allegedly offered him a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
I mean you can't.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
You can't just lose that guy for nothing because you
get a haul back for him. It seems weird, but uh,
I think if you know, if he's not signing you,
you have to do it.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Would you still would you still get a haul back
from you think?
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Mm hmm, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
I mean with teams now, I guess said two million,
like his cap cap fits barely anything. But yeah, you're
saying trade him because it's like he's a if he's
saying no at one hundred million and dragging his feet.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Yeah, I mean what you know if if he was
on any other team and getting traded at the deadline,
he's getting a haul back for him. You know you're
getting for sure a first round pick and probably a
roster player in a prospect.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Gustus is awesome and Alskolagowski congrats in a wonderful career
and somehow maintaining a friendship with Jason Demurz after all
these years.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Both equally impressive.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
All right time at the Little Centophile in sixty The
Oscars are taking place on Sunday, and neither Jason de
Murz or Taal PINCHEFFI will have seen the Brutalist before then.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
So the good news of.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Them is, I do not believe it's going to win
any major awards, with exception perhaps Asia and Brody Best Picture.
I'm predicting right now it won the PGA. It won
the DGA. It's going to be an Best Director. I'm
predicting Sean Baker. He won the dj that's the Director's
Guild Award. Best Actress is a very interesting race because
Mikey Madison does win the Bath to Let's Go, but
to me more won the SAG Award. Most of the
Academy is actors. I believe to me Moore will win.
(35:18):
Supporting is already a rap. Don't even bother betting on it.
And Zoe Seldon him as Kieran Culkin, which brings.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Us to Best Actor and all along.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It looks like it's going to be Adrian Brody for
the Brutalist to be his second Academy Award. He has
it once since he was twenty nine years of age
and he won for the Pianist. He was the youngest
Best Actor Oscarinner ever. But throwing a decisive monkey in
the wrench is the great Timiditay Shaloman who wins the
SAG Award and again SAG. The actors are the biggest
part of the ten thousand person Academy, so the fact
(35:46):
he won the Saga is pretty good. But more notably
for the appearance here of unscripted. It's what Shalamy said
when he won.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
But the truth is, I'm really in pursuit of greatness.
I know people don't usually talk like that, but I
want to be one of the greats. I'm inspired by
the greats. I'm inspired by the greats here tonight. I'm
as inspired by Daniel day Lewis, Marlon Brando, and Viola
Davis as I am by Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps and
I want to be up there.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Jad.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So we're calling it cocky, strange, bizarre. I thought it
was fabulous, and you're married to an actress. What does
Jill think?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
What did Jill think about it? Yeah, she said it
was She really enjoyed it. She's like, oh, yeah, this
is really cool. But again he's what is he dating
a Jenner at Kardashian No. I actually really thought it
was cool. I listened to it after you talked about it.
I thought it was a very well done speech. It's
nice to hear somebody from that industry acknowledged that. Listen,
(36:43):
I'm trying to be the great, one of the greats,
and I'm trying to strive for something greater than myself,
but also be the best version of myself. And I
just think I enjoyed hearing that because a lot of
them all a lot of pandering and nonsense, and you're
just like, just get to it. You guys all want
to be the best. I'm gonna be making the most money,
just say it so. And you said something right. You
said it was unabashed, which I thought so very very
(37:06):
well done by timidth Tay Shallo May and uh, he
did great job. I'm a big fan of his. In
Dune one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Done too.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Dannyville Nev got robbed once again. Another year, another dannyville
Nev robbery. But Timothay Chalome was fantastic, great acceptance speech.
Kid is ahead of his time.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
And one more thought here just in the SAgs. I
don't know, I peop want to include this in the podcast.
You text me that you think it. You think the
Sagawarts is a masturbatory affair.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Yeah, masturbatory. The sag Awards is self masturbation. A's finest
by the acting community. Seventeen million award shows in a row.
Why not because we're the greatest. You want to clean
up downtown La put an award show there.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Everyone's looking for hatulation of some sort of merit real
quick cloth Because again I've toad you this before, and
I know you think you're good looking, so it doesn't
matter what I think. But I do think you'd be
good in the movie because you got a good look
to hit your talent.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I never once said I was good like I have
great personality.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You once said on the zoom Can I tell you, like,
look how good I look? Guys, my skin looks.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Jerking yourself off like that?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
We need you goin to bash. Then you were on
the batch in love with yourself. We do need to
get you in the biopic with the Life of NHL
start Thel Flurry. I guess it's a little guy. Flury
is are my favorite guys. This guy's five six scoring
goals to Flames.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I loved him.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
The film is called Flurry and will start. Actor Kevin
Zieger's in the Tunnel role. We already said you can
play a racist coach in the upcoming Young Blood reboot.
Now I need to get this deal Flurry biopic.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
I can play. I have a lot of range and
I can do it. I think I can do it.
Theo Flurry gave me a call I'd love to be
a part of it. I mean, his story is wild
and you know what he came from, and very harrowing that,
you know, how people can take advantage of these kids
and so like that, especially in junior and just in
(39:07):
the sports field. You think you're safe at times, but
you're not. So I just think it's a it's a
crazy story, it's a it's a good cautionary tale for
a lot of kids, and I think it's going to
be great. So I would love to be a part
of it, obviously, But you know, just give me a call.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Our second guest, you're an NHL inscripted is Devin Dubnik.
Had a terrific career in the NHL, played for variety
of teams. We'll ask them about that journey, plus what
do you thought of Jordan Bennington's stellar work at the
Four Nations. Our next guest, to first round pick of
the Edmonton Oilers back in two thousand and four, went
(39:42):
on to be a three time NHL All starring collect
two hundred and fifty three wins with six NHL teams.
Also a former teammate colleague of Me and JD's NHL Network,
The one and only Devin Dubnik doude be great to
see man.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
How you been good? Thanks for that intro. That's nice,
that feels good.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Of course it's accurate.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I want to get right into Canada and the Four
Nations and you know what it's like because you represented
Canada World Championship Cup.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know the pride you have playing for our country.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
And hey, hand of the back we played it.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
Spangler Cup alumni.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
We played spang A.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Cup together and won it. So were your research ad
nan Burg.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
But listen, I want I want to go into Bennington first,
but if you want to talk Spangler Cup, I figured
Four Nations was a little more peraly Spangler Cup stories momentarily.
But I wanted to ask you to me about Binner.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Were you skeptical like others or were you confident he
would step up?
Speaker 10 (40:34):
I was in between. I wasn't skeptical. You can't be
skeptical of a guy that want to stand the cup.
And he's a very good goaltender, so there was no
there was no skepticism about his ability to do it.
It's just whether or not he would. And and again,
I mean people just didn't I didn't like to look
on paper That's kind of what I was saying.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Leading after the tournament.
Speaker 10 (40:55):
You know, people were pretty upset with Canada's goaltending for
having two Stanley Cup winners on their team and went
through the other teams no offense to anybody, but I
didn't see many, So it was funny how that worked.
And then you look, this is a guy that performs
when it matters, and he did the same thing in
the Stanley Cup playoffs and there's that experience, that experience
winning and knowing how to win. It means something, and
(41:19):
he showed it there. You know, even throughout the tournament,
people are given it to him for whatever reason.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
I mean, he faced an extremely.
Speaker 10 (41:27):
High number of high danger chances throughout the tournament and
was still playing well, and so he faced criticism throughout
the tournament as well, and all he did was come
up huge when it matter and you could just see
the way the way Bennington was moving. I mean his
save on Matthews in overtime, the blocker say, it was
like put it in a.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Textbook on how to.
Speaker 10 (41:47):
Enter and exit out of a reverse VH if that
means anything to you, guys, but it was.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
It was textbook.
Speaker 10 (41:53):
And then he follows that up with it with a
glove save, and that glove save.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Is a perfect example of just feeling it.
Speaker 10 (41:58):
I mean, that's one of the best shooters on the
planet and that thing went right in the pocket of
his glove from twenty feet.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Now, do the Connor Helliu goal against McDavid's goal.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
What was that push? Was that under? Was that an
under push or was he a little late getting out?
Speaker 10 (42:14):
I mean, I I think it's fine, listen, we can
we can, we can slow that thing down. But the
only thing you need to slow down is how fast
that thing got off of caught off of Connors stick
and went straight in the elbow.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
I mean, if you want to if it went.
Speaker 10 (42:27):
Under his hand or or you know, in the elbow
of his arm or something and he just missed it.
I mean, this is this is on and off his
stick before you even know what happens. I remember watching
the game and I knew the game was over. I'm
sure it wasn't the only one, but it was like
seeing the pass dead just miss Matthews and it wasn't
even on McDavid's stick yet, and there was just a
(42:49):
part of me that was like, oh, game's over.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
We're like game Connors like game there he goes that.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
First time he got open all night too.
Speaker 10 (42:57):
I mean it was the US just doing an unbelievable
job of shutting a guy down that I didn't realize
it was possible to be shut down at all.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
It only takes once.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
No, it is true. It was a hell of a tournament.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
And again Hell quited himself, Well, he's obviously the favorite
right now for the Vesna win his third. I want
to ask you to be about some guys frustrated and
sounding off.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Luke Shehanla Petters said.
Speaker 11 (43:16):
I don't think I've ever been a part of a
group he's literally can't score goals. I mean, obviously, you know,
sometimes you're you're giving up a lot or defensive games
out there, but at least you know you get you
catch you at break and catch the puck.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
In the dead Chef Jones, the Blackhawks.
Speaker 12 (43:31):
We're the exact same team right now as you were
as Game one, and I think it's pretty pretty evident
out there we haven't made any strides to be a better,
more simple hockey team, you know, and the shows you know,
we don't get a lot of wins because of that.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
You're on some young teams in Edmonton that faced adversity.
What is that atmosphere like and how do you overcome it?
Speaker 6 (43:53):
It's difficult. I mean, you got two different situations there.
Speaker 10 (43:57):
Nashville is a strange one, right because they got all
these they got all these veteran guys who are proven
players that are still great players, and and you look
at that team and it doesn't make sense that they're
as bad as they are, because you know, maybe they
wouldn't be great and be one of the best teams
in the league, but it's strange to see how bad
(44:17):
they are.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
So I don't know that that one's kind of a
weird dynamic.
Speaker 10 (44:21):
But you got to imagine all those all those guys,
veteran guys in there, who have been there, done that.
It's got to be extremely frustrating for them when they
expect a lot out of themselves and expected a.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Lot going into the season.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
And then the Chicago thing is similar to the Edmonton
For me when I started, it's just you every year.
We had a bunch of years where we were just awful,
and you get through it and there's bumps, there's some
ups and a lot of downs, but you have these glimmers,
and then you enter the next season and it's this
(44:52):
new ray of hope. We get we had another first
overall draft pick in empton of like three or four
of them, and and it's like this new energy and
everybody's excited, and you have the summer and you come
in the season and we're gonna make this big step.
And then, like Seth Jones said, it is just disheartening
to be at the same spot and look and be
(45:13):
like we have not grown at all.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Uh, and it's and then it's just it's demoralizing.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
You know, I don't know what your thoughts are, and
I just have a hard time when you build this
culture of losing and even though you're not trying to,
you're trying to, you know, you're trying to rebuild, they
call it, but call it what it is. They're you know,
they're breaking it down to the studs to kind of
get some top top end talents and franchise generational changing players.
Blake do be like after a while, it's like those
(45:43):
guys learn how to lose, and then it's so hard
to break that habit. And I mean, you've been on
some teams where it's like you listen to Seth Jones
and a Schenner where it's like you.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
You don't even want to come to the rink anymore.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
And it's it's tough to say because it's a game
we love and you're getting paid to do it, and
but it is when you when you, it's so demoralizing
to lose that much, and you never want to get
young kids, young kids coming in the league learning that way.
Speaker 6 (46:05):
No, you nailed it. That's that's the biggest thing, is
that learning to lose. And we did exactly that in
Edmonton in it.
Speaker 10 (46:10):
And it's so tricky and you see the players, the
young players that have the most success are the guys
that come in and they get to learn and make their.
Speaker 6 (46:19):
Mistakes while winning.
Speaker 10 (46:20):
And that's that's such a big difference, because you know
they're out there making mistakes.
Speaker 6 (46:26):
You have to let them go out.
Speaker 10 (46:27):
And make mistakes and learn, but they're learning how to
win at the same time and learning like, Okay, I'm
on a winning team, like that's unacceptable. You know, I'm
not going to get sent down to the miners for
making that mistake, but I'm going to know quickly that
that's unacceptable.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
And that's not going to help us win in Edmonton.
Speaker 10 (46:43):
For us, it was like we had you know, Taylor Hall,
Jordan Everley, Nugent Hopkins, Nail Jacopov.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
And yeah, Justin Justin Schultz was there.
Speaker 10 (46:57):
I mean, we had all these young guys and they're
they're great players and they turned out they went on
to be great players.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
So they were great hockey. There is almost all of them.
Speaker 10 (47:05):
Yeah, my boy Nail, but we uh they they were
given ice time, so they come in and instead of
coming in on a team and and learning through winning
and learning from from and earning what they got, they
came in and it was just like first line minutes
point night, Like they just they got what they got,
(47:28):
regardless of if we lost ten games in a row.
There was no there was no one pushing behind them.
And they learned like they learned everything the wrong way.
It was just it was about getting the points. And
I mean, listen, it's it's also survival mode because like
you said, you start.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
To hate coming to the rink and.
Speaker 10 (47:47):
And hockey's not fun. You got to find a way
to make it fun. You got it, and scoring goals
is fun. So but they you just don't learn to
play the right way. And that's why it's not surprising
that that those guys need to go elsewhere and put
themselves in different situations to learn what.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
It is and how to play and how to win.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I wanted to ask me about a specific moment. This
is the last one for me. You bounce around between Edmonton, Nashville, Arizona.
You end up in Minnesota. You started thirty eight straight games,
which is insane. You get named at All Star, you
win the Mashton, you finish third invested voting, and maybe
even more impressive fourth in the heart fote.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
How did you do it?
Speaker 6 (48:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (48:28):
That was That was a crazy, crazy year. You know,
I I call it playing with house money. So it
was I was you know, I was almost sute of
the league, and Arizona was the only team that offered
me a one way contract.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
I was excited for it. It was a place I
was familiar with. I played.
Speaker 10 (48:45):
Against them a whole bunch, knew a bunch of the
guys in the room. Was a very comfortable situation for
me to go into new Shawn Burke. I was excited
to work with him, so I was able to kind
of slowly get my game up and and also in
case you guys were wondering, it's not a hockey hotbed.
So I could go there and be away from pressure
and not feel like every time I stepped on the
ice my game was going to get picked apart by
(49:06):
by eighteen beat writers. I was able to kind of
go and find my game within the least pressure area
that I that I could, and so I could I
kind of build my game up and and at first,
going into the season, I was like, Hey, I'm just
going to be grateful of being playing in the NHL,
and it doesn't matter how many games I get.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
I'm gonna enjoy when I get on the ice and
just enjoy it. And I did, and that was my mindset.
Speaker 10 (49:30):
But then, you know, as I started to play more
and started to earn more starts and two in a row,
three in a row here.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
And there, I started to get the itch back and
I was.
Speaker 10 (49:37):
Like, hey, I can do this, Like I I could
be a starting goal or at least play more. And
then you know, the trade talks start to kind of
bubble around and nothing really got serious. I knew that
there was a chance, but because it wasn't. It was
before the deadline in January and then all of a sudden,
it was off to Minnesota, and again I knew nothing.
I had no expectations going to Minnesota. The only thing
(50:00):
I knew is they were a really good hockey team
that was not performing, not getting wins. But I knew
they were good. So I just kind of said to myself,
same same approach. Enjoy every game, don't think about what
this means for next year, don't think about us having
a two percent chance of making the playoffs. Just get
ready for every game and enjoy it. And then it
(50:21):
just kind of it just kind of snowball. And I
just like I said, I was playing with house money,
so I was never everything was a bonus from there
on out. I was going to be going to the
season thinking I was going to get eighteen to twenty games,
and now I'm playing And then and then I started
playing so much in a row that it was almost
like like we needed to win every game. And the
other goal he hadn't played. It was Darcy Kemper and
(50:42):
Nicholas Bactrim. They hadn't played a month, then month and
a half, and it was like, now we need these
wins and they hadn't played for six weeks so we
can't put them in because it's not fair for them
and we need these wins.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
So it just kind of kept going until we finally clinched.
Speaker 10 (50:57):
The playoffs and then and then I got a night off.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
All right, thanks? What's going to Devin? Dude?
Speaker 6 (51:08):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Some great stuff they're on goal to. I'm not sure
if all of you heard it, but me and Jason
definitely did. All right, Jady, how do you want to
close up things anitalln scripted Episode thirteen?
Speaker 1 (51:16):
What do you got for me? Am I wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (51:19):
Final thoughts for am I wrong? And this is a
question to the folks in the back everybody. When you
text somebody, and I know we're in a world where
it's texting and I personally would rather FaceTime and call people,
but we're in a group thread. The three of us,
me and tal will will very very passionately send text
messages talking about how we want the show to go,
(51:41):
what guests we want, how we want things to be formatted.
Very you know, we care, and our colleague here at
NNVERK will just give you and I'll send, like again,
I look like a crazy ex girlfriend. I'll send like
four messages in a row and I might over message.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
It's exactly I think the proper right there, over the
hell up, shut the hell. I might.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
I might over message at times, but all I get
I'll send four messages very nice and tale respond to me,
and then we'll get I'll look at my phone, I'll
see ping, ping, ping notifications.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
Ad NaN's responded.
Speaker 5 (52:17):
I'm like, oh, he's answering back with like a nice answer,
thoughtful answer. No, it's a reaction to whatever I texted,
whether it's a thumbs up, a goddamn exclamation point, or
a thumbs down, maybe a haha at times if it's
something funny, And I find that such a slap in
the face. So people, when you send a long text message,
is it a slap in the face when somebody just
(52:38):
sends a reaction instead of an actual thoughtful answer.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
In return, I think it's really funny. I'm glad that
you're passionate about it. But Tow will back me up.
He doesn't want to do this because as a producer
it's hard.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
You don't want to play favorites. But in fairness, I
did just read his book. He knows that you over message,
and because he's to produce, you just to be polite
and placates you. I'm smart, I'm just efficient. So I
just go, Okay, this isn't notable, but I'll give you
a like, I'll give you up be sizes like I'm
paying attention. But it's it's too much. Tell back me up,
it's too much.
Speaker 13 (53:06):
Well for there's no right answer for me right now.
I'm just gonna throw that out there. I love the passion.
I'm gonna think I'm gonna come in and just diplomatically
say that it's a pleasure to work with someone who
is so fully invested in making NHL Unscripted the best
and most successful show it can be. But yeah, sometimes
(53:30):
it's a bit much.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Sorry, Jay, thanks for listening to Unscripted. Enjoy the oscars.
Speaker 7 (53:37):
Will be back next week, boo.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
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