October 5, 2020 • 60 mins
Emily is back with tales from the Pyramids of Wyoming and Nevada: the railroad ghost town of the Ames Monument, and driving past the current ghost town of Las Vegas glimpsing the Luxor Pyramid after whispers that MGM plans to blow it up soon. Then it's all calls and emails, starting with another call about the New Age to Q Anon phenomenon (Q Age). After that a listener in Australia calls in to talk about climate change around the globe, and why AQI (Air Quality Index) sites are all over the place. A night email about a public art project involving payphones leads to a pleasant discovery about its purpose. We finish up with time travel paradoxes, real and created by people on drugs, to talk about Twelve Monkeys and what you'd warn people about if you travelled back to January 2020.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's ten two pm in Sherman, Wyoming, and you're listening
to Nightcall. Hello and welcome tonightcall a Collin show for
artist Topy in reality. My name is Emily Oshida. I
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am in Los Angeles for once, and with me on
the other line, of course, are Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hello. Hello,
nice to be back on the same coast with you guys.
Welcome back and happy belated birthday. Oh thank you. I mean,
I got the best gift of all of the last
hour of October one, if you know, you know, um
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speaking of I feel like I was thinking of this
because you know, obviously I was like, oh yeah for show,
and the next day like when the Trump COVID news
was breaking, and I was like, man, this is like
the definition of an evolving story. I don't even feel
we could say anything about it because it'll probably be
outdated by the time this episode comes out on Monday.
So in the meantime, we're just going to take a
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bunch of night calls this week. Yeah, we have some
really good ones coming up, So thank you to all
of our listeners who called in and wrote in these
past couple of weeks. But first I just wanted to
talk to you guys or just give a little bit
of a report from the road from my travels, because
on my trip back from Iowa, I had a pyramid
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heavy trip. By pyramid heavy, I mean I saw two pyramids.
That's a lot of pyramids for one trip, to be honest. Yeah,
and all west of the Mississippi. So I was plotting
out my route as I have been doing every time
I hit the road again, and looking for things to
see off of I a d in Wyoming, which was
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a big chunk of the route that I took, you know,
consulting Wyoming travel guides and stuff, and and and found
the Aims Monument. Should I've never heard of before. But
it's a pyramid that it was built. It's it's now,
you know, just south of of I eighty. But it
dates back to obviously before the interstate system. But it
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was a stop on the Transcontinental, the Union Pacific Railroad.
It was once the highest point on the Union Pacific Railroad.
It's something that like eight thousand, two hundred and forty
seven ft above sea level. So I just, I mean,
it's just it's very bizarre. This is a treeless, you know,
wind swept plane in UH in Wyoming, just outside a
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laramie UM and there's a dang pyramid there. So I
was like, I gotta see this pyramid. I got to
see about this pyramid. How big is it? Um, it's
about the size of a small house. I would say,
a modest pyramid. Yeah, a modest pyramid. You know you
can walk around it, and you could probably walk around
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it in less than a minute. I would say, is
there a person in it? Well, um, there's two people
on it. So then the Aims monument as a monument
to um Oaks and Oliver Aims. By the way, you
can name somebody Oaks and that's Olks o A K. E. S.
That's like a very Brooklyn child name. But Oaks and
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Oliver Aims who were the UH This is off of
the Wyoming Historical Society's website. They were financiers and politicians
whose business skills were largely responsible for the completion of
the trans Continental Railroad. They were also later revealed to
be hucksters and fraudsters um when it came to the
financing of that trans Continental railroad. UM. It was sort
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of interesting to read a little bit about the trans
Continental railroad because at the time it was like people
have compared it to like how people talk about going
to Mars. Now it's just like impractical, like nobody needs that.
That's massively like what a waste of money, and uh,
that's just sort of funny to think about now. Uh.
So they had this monument inch I'm not sure who
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commissioned it, if it was them, but it was designed
by Henry Hobson Richardson. He's an architect around that time,
and it's got their heads on it. It's got these
boss relief heads and at first I thought it was
like Lincoln Abraham Lincoln, which wouldn't have not made sense
because it was built largely during I think during his presidency.
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But it's it's really weird. It's just this sort of um,
it's not a direct triangle like the Egyptian Pyramids. It's
sort of it's more of a zigaratte I would say.
It's kind of got this flat, flat ish top and
kind of two layers on. It will link to it
so people can check it out or you can just
google Aims monument. Uh. Yeah, it looked rad. Did you
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get out and like walk around? Yeah, So it's it's
sort of. It's very close to the interstate, but it's
all just dirt roads to get there, and they're really
really rough dirt roads. So I was like dry pugging
my little car through this uh dirt road to get
to the pyramid and nobody's around. Also, there was a
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fire that day, um, and I think continues to be
a fire, the Mullen fire and in Wyoming, So it
was really ominous out. It looked so apocalyptic when you
posted a picture, and it looked very much like hell.
It was it felt like hell. It was crazy. Um.
The wind was so strong that like I had to
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be careful, this is happening to me before and strong
wind where like the car door has slammed on my
leg with a high lived but it was like that
it was my hat and my hat was literally blowing
off of my head and I had to go chasing
after it like I was in an old timey cartoon. Um.
But it was Yeah, it was very dramatic. I took
some pictures and I don't know if there's a body
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in there. There should be a body, but it was
like a big churst chap like they would get out
because the transcontinential railroad was so long they had to
switch out engines halfway through the journey, so or probably
multiple spo stops on the journey, So that was one
of those switching places, and so all everybody had to
get out of the train and they would switch out
the engine and people would walk around and check out
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the pyramid like that was the activity. And then they
moved the railroad like three miles to the south, and
the little town that had sprung up there, Sherman Wyoming,
became a ghost town. So, um, there's and I think
there's just a cemetery there. That's all that's left of it. Cool,
but that was not the only pyramid that you saw. Yeah,
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So around Salt Lake City, I transitioned from the Interstate
eighty to fifteen, which goes through Las Vegas, Nevada since City,
and I made a little detour just to check out
the luxere Um because I had been seeing rumors that
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they're gonna be demolishing the lux or possibly. This is
not confirmed officially, but sources say that that MGM is
considering tearing down the lux sore as part of their
general push to d theme their Vegas properties, which is bullshit.
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They don't know what they got. The themed casinos are
all the best. I think this is the official night
cost totally. People want a party in a pyramid. You
can still put your superclubs in a pyramid. Yeah, I
don't think there's a Is there a club but lux
so I don't think there is, Like there's a club
in all of them. I just watched from Duck Till Dawn,
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which ends with a reveal that the club the titty bars,
really in an Aztec pyramid at the end, and it
reminded me that when I went to Tijuana last time,
we saw there was like a club in the shape
of an Aztec pyramid that looked amazing. We're all for pyramids,
real and and fake. Why are they getting rid of
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the themed casinos? Why it's just a vestige of the nineties. Yeah,
they went They did a family friendly phase in the
nineties where they were like, we're going to be bigger
than Disney World. Families are all going to come to
Las Vegas, so we're gonna put all this family oriented stuff.
And then in the two thousands at some point they
were like, funk that we're going back to like adults
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who want to drink and do drugs and get laid.
Why are they assuming that adults don't like themes? Also,
they could still be bigger than Disney because Disney might
be going down, So somebody's got to stick around for
a theme. Yeah, like the ex caliber needs to stay there,
like it's it's it's probably the only thing that's single
handedly holding Las Vegas together, that castle. They also they
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just blow up casinos every once in a while. It's
like a publicity stunt as much as anything else. It's like, hey,
we're blowing up this thing that was falling into disrepair
and we're just going to build a whole new one
to generate promo. Some might say it is the biggest
display of excess in Las Vegas that regularly happens, because
it's just like, what reuse the building, like rehab it?
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Fuck no, let's tear it down and build any I've
always said to that, like if they had let some
of the casinos that they did blow up, like the Sands,
if they had just kept them around and referbed them,
they would now be like people would love like a
like a rat pack casino. It's it's kind of kind
of stunnying that there's not really a rat pack themed
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casino in Las Vegas, Like I think maybe like the Cromwell,
which is a relatively new and kind of smaller casino,
is maybe in that zone. But there's not like an
all out like Las Vegas like fifties Las Vegas theme casino,
which feels like a major oversight. That's like all that
anybody wants. That's what Fremont Street is for. But yeah,
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I mean there's the d theming has been happening, particularly
with the MGM properties. The Monte Carlo shut down I
think sometime last year or maybe even back as far
as eighteen and now it is Park MGM, So it's
just like blandly fancy MGM. I mean, at least they
didn't tear down the Monte Carlo like they just rebranded
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it because it wasn't that distinctive of a building or
a structure and not like a pyramid or something. But
but yeah, this rumor has been posted on vital Vegas,
which is like a Las Vegas insider blog. Uh and
the writer is Scott Robin and he said, um, he said,
And this is all according to insiders. But the company
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has long felt its hands are typed by the distinctive
but limiting Egyptian theme of a lux Or and UH.
Company officials have discussed demolition of both Alux lux Or
and ex Caliber for at least five years, but have
been unable to proceed due to union contracts, and it's
possible that the COVID nineteen shutdown has paved the way
for what's to come for lux Or. So everybody likes
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lux Or here at night call. I've only been to
Las Vegas one time, but if you guys like it,
I do. I mean, they shoot a beam into space
that you can see from space. Yeah, why would you give?
And it attracts all the bats they die on the beam.
Uh yeah, it's I mean it's so. I mean the
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inside of of of lux Or is one thing. There
are some things that obviously feel like I mean tacking
a lovely way in a way that I love. But like,
as far as thinking about what like investors and money
Vegas people think, the structure of the luxe Or just
feels timeless to me. It's so cool. It's just undeniably awesome.
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And I just don't know why you would it would
get like it's it's a structure that defies logic like
you have to have a special elevator to go up
and down it. It should be protected as a historical,
like architecturally significant building. I think, um, but they don't
care about such things in since city. If you have
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any pyramid sightings you'd like to call in about for
our new segment Pyramid Pals, Yes, leave us a night
call it to four oh four six night with the
details of your pyramid sighting. Also, if anyone has been
to the pyramids in Egypt, I would love to hear
about that. Please do call in about that. I've always
wanted to go. Yeah, number one dream destination. But if
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we can't get to Egypt, I would also accept the
Bass Pyramid in Memphis. Yeah, the best pro pro shop. Yeah.
So we're going to take a quick break and when
we come back, it's all night calls, all the time.
Stay tuned. We are back and we're going to take
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a night call about the Q and on Pipeline a
night call. I have a story about an old roommate
who pretty much the bill for the Hippy Dippy to
Q and on Pipeline in college. Um, I'd say like
probably the most I guess behindsight is twenty but she
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was always very much like a chameleon, so she kind
of adapted to whatever group of people we were around.
But after college we kind of lost touch. And then
like within the span of two years, she had moved
from Miami to Costa Rica with a man who's like
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double her age, had a baby with him, was like
going on yoga retreats in other countries. It was. It
was just a total flip in lifestyle. She's very much
like party girl. And then I follow her on Instagram
and she started posting like obvious the wellness stuff like yoga,
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like I don't know, appreciating the earth, like a lot
of stuff about like natural healing, sound healing, um and
like eating raw in organic foods, everything in that arena.
And then she started posting um Instagram stories from an
account called red Till Babe, and I was just like,
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oh God, what is this And it's it's just a
full on queue and on account like full of like
anti back stuff, anti masks stuff and save the children,
and yeah, I think it's too late for her. And
I don't know. I go back and forth between like
feeling bad about like me not doing anything about it,
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Like could I have helped her and then also like,
is she well meaning? I like, I would like to
think so. I don't know. It's just seems to happen
so fast. It's very crazy. But I can you know,
you guys as well and share links to some of
the YouTube's because they're honestly a little bit. It seems scary.
It's it's just because it's and it's very dangerous. So yeah,
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I don't know, it's very conflicting. It's just sad to
see kind of happen before your eyes. Thanks, guys, appreciate
the show so much. I've been loving it past a
couple of months. Thank you, Thank you so much. Yeah,
this sounds pretty classic. That sounds like the what you
were describing Molly, like the Instagram influencer or want to
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be influencer who just gets full red pilled somehow. Well,
I think it's really the anti vax thing is sort
of the connection. But also once you bring in save
the children and everybody's like, oh, I want to save
the children. Yeah. I don't know if we've used this
term before, Um I've meant you, but conspiritual is one.
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But I weirdly I for a second listening to this,
I was like, are we talking about the same person?
But I think it's a different person. But I also
know someone for a time I don't know, maybe like
five years ago, I knew a few people who moved
down moved to Costa Rica for yoga, as if that
were something a lot of people were doing. But I
guess it was birthplace of yoga Costa Rica. Um. But
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they were all kind of, um, like upper middle class
people who were doing yoga as like a full time
job and wanted to go a little bit off the grid.
And we're really drawn to Costa Rica for that reason. Um.
I think all of them moved back after a little while,
but some of them also have um similar kind of
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like I don't think anyone I know is bold enough
to go full q and on on the socials, but
um definitely like the anti vax stuff is in there.
But that makes me wonder if there's some weird community
of yogi's in Costa Rica who are kind of doing
the Q and on thing. I'm very interested in the
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kind of like what it is about being in that
kind of community or like subscribing to a certain kind
of lifestyle that just makes you more susceptible to buying
into some of this stuff or just like not critical
about a lot of stuff in a way. I think
it's like you're being open minded in a certain way,
and you know, with a lot of spirituality stuff, it's
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like you're opening yourself up to a certain amount of
woo woo stuff. And then who's waiting to tell people
that are getting into that stuff what else is going on? Yeah?
Do you guys think though, that you can ever reason
with a person who's gone? I mean, or do you
think at any point in the evolution of being a
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sort of like spiritual person who's dabbling in some weird
ideas and then they end up going full Q and on,
is there any point or any kind of st atgy
you could use to step in along that progression and
say like, hey, I'm your friend, don't do this. There's
been a lot of guides about how to get people
out of Q and on. Jamie Loftus just posting about
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this the other day because I think she said she
had some family members who she was trying to get
off the Q and on thing. Um, I do think
it's possible to bring people back, is what I think.
I think the thing to emphasize with a Q and
On person in your life. And I don't have any
that I know of right now, but I think, I mean,
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I think the the thing that I have a little
bit of sympathy or empathy for Q and On people
about it is just like, yeah, of course, like people
in power are fucked up and corrupt and are doing
horrible things. It's just like you're so close, you know,
like just like look five inches to the right or something,
and then you know, you'll you'll there is something there,
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like your instincts, your broad instincts are correct. It's like
a lack of criticism. It's a back of um, I
think doing your own researching way, although I think probably
a lot of people would say, like I've done a
lot of my own research, but I think to acknowledge
that the overall tendency it is justified is maybe a
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good way to start with people, because I think to
just say you're crazy, none of this stuff is true.
How could you think that? I mean, it's very easy
to imagine how people could think that that's the scary
thing about Q and On. It's for me, I can
totally see, um. God, I was like I was in Iowa.
I started to believe in chim trails for five seconds, like,
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it's very easy for me to understand how people go
down this path because I was just like I looked
up and there was just like suddenly so many um
trails in the sky. And I was like, we're in
the middle of Iowa and no planes are flying. There
should not be anything here. How am I seeing like seven?
And then I was just like, Oh, I think they're
just flying at altitude of particular houses here or whatever.
I think it's really si about Q and on two
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is it provides like a universal theory for all these
things where they all go together. Yeah, but it is
also difficult to explain to people because a lot of
it runs parallel the stuff that is real. Especially when
the Epstein stuff started coming out. It was like, oh,
there is a secret cabal of pedophiles that have state
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power and are using it to traffic children. But it's
it makes you feel crazy to be like, but it's
not happening out of Comet pizza. I think it's happening
on a private island. That is terrifying. I think also
like maybe there's a part of the Q and On
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mindset that's like nobody's willing to acknowledge ship this dark
But I think maybe you could sell a Q and
on person on the idea the actual darkest thing is
that nothing is connected. Like that's the most like hopeless,
desolate place to be. It's just like there is a
lot of bad dark ship happening in the world, and
a lot of it has nothing to do with each other.
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Like it's just the way that the world is, and
that sucks, you know. Yeah, I mean I think with
some of these things too, it's like people kind of
get off on being told that nobody believes them. There's
something about the like I'm the only one who has
this secret information and I'm trying to tell other people,
but they won't listen to me. It also just like
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provides people with a feeling of purpose. We've talked about
how it's almost like a religious thing at this point
that it doesn't matter whether it's like makes sense or not,
it's just sort of like a devotion. Yeah, So if
you can introduce it as like like rebellion against a
church to to your queue and On friends, maybe maybe
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that'll hold some water. Since the entire Q and On
thing is like what I've been told, you know, is
all wrong, and I had no idea. My eyes are open.
Now you can do that again. Within Q and ON.
I personally don't think I could ever try to convince
someone that they were wrong about Q and on unless
they tried to convert me. Um. But that's only because anecdotally,
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I think that there's such I mean, it's right now,
there's like a logical like people are going on their
own logic over there, and so it's hard because you
think that, I don't know. I would be worried that
by trying to bring someone back from that it would
almost work against me and make them even more sure
that they were correct and dig in their heels like
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I almost think that kind of saying like, oh that
doesn't interest me, but like you do you? I mean,
is is that irresponsible to let someone fall off their
own cliff in that way? Weren't you saying you explained
it to your neighbor who didn't know what it was?
So the other I love my neighbors so much. Um my, uh,
my neighbors are older and they don't use the internet,
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and they like to call and talk about politics and
we agree on more things. But um, Yeah. My neighbor
had never heard of Q and on and so I
took about twenty minutes to explain it to her, and
she was she could not believe that a single person
on planet Earth would believe it, and I was like,
not a lot of people do uh. And then we
had a good laugh. And then I got off the
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phone and I was like, oh god, oh no, this
is so depressing. What if you indirectly red pills? Yeah? Right, no, No,
she went to go do some research after that. You
gotta be careful if you ever want to have me
explain Q and onto you, though, you can also be
sure that, like, there's a lot of total misinformation where
I'm like, I'm not sure about this. I'm just gonna
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throw it out there. Um, but yeah, I mean a
lot of most people, as we talked about a lot
on the podcast, are not on Twitter, so they don't
really know about a lot of stuff that we think
everyone does. Yeah, well, I gotta watch out for those
red pill babes. Um, thanks for the call. Should we
take another night call? Yeah? Yeah, Um, this one is
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our first far as I know, nightcall from Australia. I'm
very excited about this one. That's roll it high nightcall.
My name is Rabbia. You see her pronouns calling you
from Australia. UM. I just wanted to say about testers,
I think conperiracy theory that's AQUI is wrong. I don't
think you need to call that a conspiracy theory. I'd
say you're probably right that it is wrong. I just
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I just wanted to tell you what we learned here
from going through the same situation over Christmas. Often it
is wrong. We just figured this out gradually because some
days you'd work up and the official government hui would
say equality good you look out fie. It's not. It's
just all your senses will just tell you that that's wrong.
And what we gradually figured out was that basically, there's
never been a need for the AQUI to be sit
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been this important before. It's never been disseminated to as
many people, it's never changed this often. But the government
data sometimes would be like the twenty four hours behind
or averaged out from a bunch of different stations, or
the stations just weren't in there weren't very many of them. Well,
they weren't working very well, like all kinds of things,
and like you have different apps on your phone sourcing
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the information with different places and see different things, and
you look outside your sense to see something else. So
what we've figured out was purple air is the one
you want to use, because that's like the kind of
a source to the thing. A purple air a q
I readings comes from um people's houses. They've got their
own devices modering the air quality to update all the time.
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They'll tell you what's really going on. That's the only
fight you want to use everywhere else it's just not
worth it. I mean, yeah, really really fearful. Or you
went through the exact same thing not long ago, and yeah,
good luck breathing for the next couple of weeks months.
That's pretty rough the thing. I guess it's a small
example of what we learned generally. What we've learned from
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both the fives and the pandemic is that the government
will always do a worse job than people. Like, always
rely on the community on people on rather than anything official.
You'll always get better results that way. That's what we learned. Anyway,
Thank you so much. Uh, yeah, I'm looking at purple
air right now. I mean, the thing with the thing
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with the a q I thing is that I just
always I guess I always assumed it was sort of
like the temperature in a given place, like it's not
it's it's it's depending on where you are, like also
the environment you're around, like if you're around more trees
or more asphalt, like there's going to be some variants.
And I don't know that. When we talked about it,
it was we had just come off of the dangerous
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a qui days where we were seeing things and like
I think the one fifties and above and then and
and some of those days, by the way, did not
feel as bad as they were being reported, but out
of an abundance of caution, I at least just stayed
inside UM. But then after after a number of those days,
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the a qui went down into moderate range and there
was no way that was moderate UM. And I live
in a pretty like dense urban area of Los Angeles.
There are a lot of trees, but it's also there's
a lot of apartments and stuff. So you would assume
that that would be like the more reliable data, I guess,
but it was it seemed very unreliable. So I appreciate
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purple air that recommendation, but I also think it's very
interesting and totally correct to point out that this pandemic
has definitely taught us that community is more reliable and
kind of a better resource often than government, especially when
it comes to environmental things. I would say, like I've
been wanting we should table this, but like I just
(27:31):
want to I want to note this right now and
maybe we can take some night calls about it. Like
one of the most oppressing things I think of this
year has been more or less confirming the fact that
recycling doesn't exist for a large part, and that's you know,
been completely something that's been pushed by state and local governments.
Uh that you know, recycling is the way that you
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do your part. And I think that I think that
there are certain things that you know that are like
I don't Again, we just talked about Q and on.
I don't want to go full into like don't trust
anything that an institution or government tells you, but I
think I think right now it's very fairly safe to
say that anything related to the environment and um climate
change and all of that is uh suspicious at best.
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It also just does make one feel like you have
to run around being like Q and on is fake,
so is recycling. But that was a big story. It
was buried because there's so many other stories. But yeah,
plastic recycling, single use plastic recycling with basically invented by
oil companies, as was the term carbon footprint was made
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up by oil companies. Yeah, to try and take the
blame off the fact that it's the oil companies who
need to reduce their carbon footprint, not individuals quite so much. Um,
I'm really excited that we are building solidarity with Australia
because they were through it. That was Yeah, was that last?
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Was that end that those fires were happening in Australia.
There's just a lot of similarity between Australia and California.
I think Australia is like England's California. It's like a
prison planet where they sent all the convicts and also
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and it has been huge problems with racism and a
beach culture and fires. So I really feel like that
community what you were talking about, could be you know,
sharing information across international lines about you know, helping each
other through something that clearly the government is not equipped
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to help people with its good And I agree with
the caller that sometimes you just have to listen to
your your nose, as they might say, when you go
outside and smell smoke, even if the aqu i says
it's okay if you smell smoke, trust your instinct. Yeah.
I mean again, I was in Laramie when this fire
(30:09):
that had been about acres jumped to thirty acres um
maybe forty miles away from where it was. The entire sun,
like the entire sky got browned out. Um, couldn't even
it wasn't even the red sun anymore at that point.
It was just dark, and uh, everything smelled like fire,
you know, classic fire stuff. And my, uh my weather
(30:32):
app said that the air quality was good. I think
it was something like at a thirty or forty on there, so,
you know, I I figured that was also because they
probably didn't have as many monitors in Wyoming maybe as
they do in Los Angeles, but I don't know, Um,
but that felt fairly obvious that the air was full
(30:52):
of smoke. I have definitely been using purple air because,
like the Collars said, it has a lot of local sensors.
All though again I've started to become totally paranoid that
none of it's real because um, sometimes it still feels
like it'll be nicer or less nice outside than the number. Yeah, well,
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shall we take a night email? Uh? Perhaps this one
from Joe Let's do it high night Call. I recently
came across the futile payphone project with tie ins too
the Willamette Dream Project. This seems like a harmless public
art project, but it is extremely creepy. I have attached
a link to a Reddit post about the project. The
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original poster has a video of him using one of
pay phones and recording to hear what happens when you
pick up one of the phones. The phone is free
and offers options to do things such as press too
to apologize, whatever the heck that means. The phones offer
an option to record yourself telling your dreams for something
called the Willamette Dream Project, which this guy seems to
(31:56):
think could be MK ultra adjacent. Like I said, who
knows if this is just a weird art project or
something more sinister, but it reeks of night call. I
figured this could be a cool discussion. Would even be
willing to visit the one in Detroit and record my
own experience for you guys. Just let me know. I'm
in Ohio. I asked Joe if Joe felt like it
when they please go to the Detroit phone. But it's
(32:18):
it's very strange. The link to the Reddit post that
Joe attached was there are these flyers. Uh, this one
was found in Kingston, Ontario. I believe. Um, there's a
cicada and the bottom right, which the poster thought maybe
a link to the Cicadia Cicada thirty three oh one project,
which was like a kind of like weird puzzle, like
an Internet puzzle from a few years ago. Um, but
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the flyer says, have you been having strange dreams? The
Kingston Dream Survey is investigating a recent spike in bizarre,
unexplainable dreams since the arrival of COVID nineteen. If you
have been experiencing any unusual dream activity, you can help
by reporting a summary with a phone number, um, asking
for a description of the dream. And then yeah, there's
a phone in Detroit. The link there's a link to
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a company named Futell that places free pay phones um
around like lower income neighborhoods. The whole thing just seems
really really suspect and like it is probably motivated by
something not good. Um, there's not a lot of information. Really,
do you guys really think that it's strange to ask
people to share their dreams anonymously. It's not just that,
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though apparently the prompts are are strange. Um, and and
I think putting them in like low income neighborhoods and
some some people think it's like a data mining a
data mining thing, but it's it's also dense. It's like
one of those rabbit holes that takes forever to like
get to any actual information. Um, there's like a lot
of videos in this reddit, uh, posts that will we
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will link to in our show notes. Yeah. There. It's
as someone says, it's to do with the September fifth cult,
a reddit cult predicting something bad would happen on September five,
which is posted like a month ago. Obviously, I'm sure
many bad things happened on September. Many bad things happen
every day now. Yeah. Yeah, we have money down on
(34:10):
like every corner of the roulette wheel as far as
oh yeah, I've been saying you could do a we
didn't start the fire for just every single day. Um.
There's also a link to something called the Church of
Robotron by the way, in this this, this whole this
was a hot tip and very weird. If you guys,
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if any of our listeners have any information about these
weird phones, please let us know. Yeah, I mean I
think at this point any payphone is going to seem
a little mysterious because there just aren't that many left
of them. Yeah. Um, yeah, anytime you see a payphone
in the wild and it's functional, it feels a little bit.
It feels a little wild. I mean, it looks like
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these are built out of existing um like a T
and T or or Bell telephone booths, um, the futile ones.
They're those doctor who things. They take you to a tartist.
We don't have the full like booth though in the States.
For the most part, I feel like your legs, Yeah,
(35:13):
your your legs get left behind. Um. It's very hard
to change into your superhero costume, it is, unless it's
just changing shirts. Um. The site I'm on, the futile site,
which is a futile dot net um. And also if
anybody I have a suspicion that somebody who works on
this listens to night call, this just is like a
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little vibe that I have. Really, Yeah, I don't know.
It feels very nightcall. UM. At Futile, we believe in
the preservation of public telephone hardware as a means of
providing access to the Agora for everyone, and towards that goal,
we are privileged to provide free telephone calls, voicemail, and
telephone mediated services. All services, including telephony and human interaction
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are free from any Futile telephone. The thing that makes
me just think this is an art project is if
you really want to do some data mining, like Google
is doing this and in a way that people would
actually use it at you know, at scale. Um, you know,
we use it for our night calls. Um. You know,
(36:17):
for all we know, Google is using the uh conspiracies
and and and otherwise strange stories that people are sending
to us on the nightcall voicemail and uh, I don't
know mkal trainin it. I have no idea like that's
more likely to This just feels so small and niche
that I'm like, what are they actually How many people
(36:40):
are actually using these things every day? I don't know.
I'd like to recommend an Instagram account that it's not
related to futel, but is on a similar note, called
the call center on Instagram. It's the Underscore Call Underscore Center,
(37:03):
which is I believe in art project based around the
idea that there's like a phone that they want you
to call and that they're listening to your calls. Everybody
should check it out. It's sort of like an art
project about this things like this conspiracy. I don't think
it is itself an actual conspiracy, but it's incredibly nightcall
(37:25):
and I'm a big fan of the call center. Nice
call center, Come on, night call. I'm going to call
this number. I I just the the one the Kingston
from the Yeah I want to call. I'm very interested
because I think, like, again, this is another thing going
back to the Q and on thing, like a lot
of things that are art can be interpreted as being
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satanic or you know, c I a adjacent or something
with the right lens, Like, I can totally imagine a
conceptual artist leaving having setting up a voicemail with you know,
weird or impressionistic prompts about people's dreams, and I think
that could actually be really interesting. Like that sounds like
something I would do maybe if I had a lot
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of spare time and I was a conceptual artist. Like,
that's the kind of thing I'm interested in. Oh totally.
I mean I don't actually, I don't think it's I
I'm skeptical as to whether or not it's data mining.
But if you read through the whole Reddit threat, there
mentions of like calling border patrol and stuff that just
seems like if it is a conceptual art piece, maybe
it's like it doesn't have the best intentions. They called
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border ptrol. Who calls border patrol? I think it's like,
I'm not I just closed the tubs, so hold on here.
So part way down the Reddit threat, someone said that
they left this comment on the one of the videos
that's exploring what this is um when we called the
fu telephone service thing, they mentioned the Church of Robotron
and gave options for different sermons. There was also an
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option called hold the phone and eventually takes you to
someone saying choose your adventure and this weird very loud
and this weird music, very loud, with someone saying something
in the background with a series of numbers that we
can't hear. I also watched a video of someone calling
from a futile phone booth with an option for concentration camps.
And when he pressed for that, it called the U
S Border Patrol. There are new dream survey fires in
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Ontario with a little cicada symbol at the bottom right corner.
There are now few telephone booths popping up in Detroit
as well. I mean that's maybe a good Maybe it's
breaking border patrol. They're listing border patrol as concentration camps,
which is true, so I don't it feels it is,
but you wonder, like, I don't know, I want to
believe that it's a good thing, because, like we said,
(39:37):
it sounds very niccall, but I'm also so used to
everything this year being a bad thing that I immediately
jumped to the conclusion that it's somehow nefarious. I think
you get into a little bit. You can get into
some dicey territory, as we've explored with you know, some
of our internet eric cults and cult adjacent things that
if you start to imitate or go meta and uh,
(40:01):
conspiracy stuff like you're kind of cause plane being a
part of a conspiracy or a cult or something like that,
but not like you know, kind of a little disingenuously.
I think you can run into some dicey territory. But well,
it's funny. It's funny when it overlaps with like performance art.
That is the strangest. A friend of ours worked on
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a Marina Bramovich thing that was like a commercial for
Microsoft or something that when they put it up online,
it got so many Q and on comments. Yeah, what
I was talking about with the Q and on thing,
it's just like any considered satanic or whatever. But then
also like Microsoft took it down because they were like,
(40:43):
we don't want our brand associated with like satanism and pedophilia,
and that's all the comments are now. Marina Bramovic, who
know that she would be the patrons state satanism and pedophilia.
She's not in you know, she's not like into it
though she's I know, but they like, you know, there
were parties or whatever where she was pieces. You know.
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I just feel like other artists would be like, yes,
that's right, I am like the high Priest of Satan
or whatever. She seems confused by the fact that people
are reading that into her work, even though as an artist,
I really can't control what people read into your work.
You shall we take another night email? Hell yeah, this
(41:27):
one is from Kevin we'll read this. Kevin writes, Hello,
night call. It's eighty three pm in Pittsburgh, and I'm
a longtime listener, first time right or in her So
this study any links out to it just came out
saying that if we were ever able to time travel,
we could go into the past without creating a paradox.
For example, if you wanted to stop COVID from happening,
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you could go back in time and make it so
the first person doesn't get it. But no matter what
you do, somebody else would eventually get COVID, and then
things from there would develop basically exactly the same. So
so you could minimally changed the past, but not in
a significant way. And because of that, you couldn't destroy
the reason you travel back in time in the first place. Therefore,
no paradox makes sense. And then I thought of the
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Mandela effect. The Mandela effect is the wacky internet theory
that says, sometimes when there are tiny differences in culture,
it isn't that you are remembering these events wrong. It's
that somehow the timeline has been slightly disrupted. Examples of
this include the Barren Stain Bernstein Bears, the two different
spellings of Barrenstein Bears and that movie where Shack played
(42:30):
a wrapping Genie. But people say it wasn't Shack, it
was the actor comedian Sindbad playing the wrapping genie. Full disclosure,
I'm not sure if the genie wraps. I just assumed
he did Shazam. I don't think. I don't remember anyway.
A lot of people say this is crazy. It isn't
the reality changing, but an example of faulty memories. They're
probably right. However, what if this theory that says if
time travel happens, it can't cause significant changes, but it
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can cause tiny, inconsequential ones is true. It's a real thinker, Kevin,
thank you. You know you know the Mandela effect is
is based on this this sort of thing that a
bunch of people remembered that Nelson Mandela died at a
time that he did not. I believe that's what it is.
It's it's it's it's name for this false memory that
(43:14):
apparently a lot of people have that he died. I
had this recently about the actor Christopher Lloyd because I
was watching both Adams Family movies for the second time
this year. Because time is right, and I mentioned like
oh man, it was It's so sad that he died
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to whoever I was with, and they were like, really,
I didn't know that he died, and then I checked
it and he didn't die. And I completely remember Christopher
Lloyd died when I was a kid. I don't know
if anybody shares this memory, we might have another Mandela
effect on our hands. I do not remember Christopher Lloyd dying.
That's I think that one belongs only just in my
little brain. I think some of these things too, are
(43:58):
like maybe really mers that pre date before you could
fact check rumors. So for me, I'm like, I remember
someone telling me that, like somebody from Saved by the
Bell had died in a horrible car crash, and that
was like a rumor in seventh grade or something that
you couldn't disprove at the time. And weird things could
(44:23):
go viral like that organically because they were just like school,
you know, play playground Q and on. Yeah, they used
to just be urban, urban legends. Yeah. The Barrenstein Bears
one seems pretty obvious to me, which is that anytime
there's someone with a name that is spelled like, you know,
(44:43):
differently than you'd expect, especially if you're a kid and
you hear your parents pronouncing it, you're probably like looking
at the front of the book and like mentally kind
of editing it and like correcting it. I know that
I have relatives whose names are often misspelled, like Almos,
always misspelled to the point where they have other family
members with different last names, or you know, friends that
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they've had forever and they still address them with the
wrong spelling of their name, which drives me nuts. But
I guess that's just one of those things. But the
the like wrapping Genie or non wrapping Genie one, I'm like, okay,
was that, Like Emily said, are you talking about Shazam?
Which was it? Who was it in Shazam? Was it
Shack or Sinbad? I think it was. I mean I
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think also some of these things just show the power
of group think, which is that if somebody is like, hey,
does anybody remember this thing, a lot of people will
be like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Kazam, oh Kausam, Okay, yeah,
I er I was like a recent film, okay, so
(45:48):
because am so that was referring to the movie because
am and them. Yeah it's Shack. But but if you
enter Kazam Sinbad, are you going to get a ton
of hits there? M M, I don't know. Yeah. Some
of some of these things too, it's like they're so minor,
(46:09):
you know, they're not like some people think World War
two ended and other people don't or something. It's not
like true alternate history. It's like these very small weird things.
For me. The Berenstein Bears one, which is always used
as like the example. I was like, well, I think
I just kind of made it like a Jewish last name,
(46:33):
and then it turns out it's not. It's like made
by Christians, right, So that seems very easy to explain
to me. Okay, wait, guys, I found the movie. Spoiler alert,
the Shazam movie never existed. Sinbad Chasm and it's Chaseam
with two a's and the second it says. In a
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May interview, actor and sports star Shaquille O'Neal stated that
if kids wanted to see him in Sinbad team up
as Kazam and Shazam in an Avenger's style genie movie,
he'd put on that hilarious nineties costume and do it.
There's one problem, though, the so called Sinbad genie movie
doesn't exist. Yeah, I'm super into believing, uh this theory
(47:16):
that these minor differences happen because of time travel, mostly
just because right now I would love to time travel.
I just watched twelve Monkeys last night, so very in
that mindset. Isn't this also like the plot of that
movie yesterday where the Beatles didn't exist so you have
to invent them? Yeah? I mean twelve Monkeys did make
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me think about it a lot, kind of logically about
if you did go back to stay January until everybody
there was about to be a plague, who would listen
to you? Well, I've been exploring this at length. I
won't bore you guys with all of the details, but
I will bore you with some, which is um that
if you were going to time travel back to January,
(47:59):
you would have to have of a list of early examples.
You would have to have predictions that you could prove
yourself with that happened in January. So you'd have to
do your homework before you time traveled. Because if you
were going to time travel to say, like January second
or something, you would have to have predictions ready to
go for like the second, the third, the fourth and
the fifth, so people would believe you. And only at
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that point could you introduce something like predicting coronavirus. And
actually you'd have to go back earlier than January, probably
because coronavirus, some say, might have already been circulating even
in l A and like December Jina ran out of
the bag already. I mean, it's also like, you know,
we have some examples of non time traveling instances of this,
like the Bob would word thing, you know, in his
(48:44):
interview with Trump uh where he basically acknowledged that they
knew that it was dangerous and he just didn't want
to cause a panic or whatever. And it's just like
that's about as close as you could get to like
time traveling and changing the app come of it. But
it's like the wrong people are doing the right And
(49:04):
also maybe there's nothing that can be like what would
you do? Would you just like barge into I don't
know the C d C and and I don't know
what would you You'd have to use some like very
dire threats in order to get things through. I feel
like you would go find the original pangul in yeah,
and release it into the wild instead make sure that
(49:27):
it doesn't talk to any humans. Was it a pangulin
allegedly allegedly a penguin. People at first thought it was
a bat, and I follow a lot of that enthusiasts
who were like, don't blame bass. Everyone always blames the bat.
It's not the bath's fault. Even if a zoonotic disease
jumps to humans, it's not because the bats are like
(49:49):
trying to kill all humans. It's because of climate change
and humans going into parts of the environment that they
shouldn't have and you know, burning down forests and stuff.
If it's always humans, which Twelve Monkeys also gets into
a lot some good some good uh on point stuff
in Twelve Monkeys, I haven't seen that in Second Man,
(50:11):
Oh watch it. It just feels it feels like now,
but it does also have that. I mean, I feel
like there was that time period when the virus was
in other countries but it hadn't made it to America yet,
where I was just like sitting in my car every
day feeling insane, being like what can I do? You
know before it gets here. It reminds me of when
(50:34):
you know that you're getting sick, which if you can't
tell I am right now, and you're just like, don't
get sick, don't get sick, and you're trying to do
everything you possibly can to not get sick, like you're
taking all the like you know, weird supplements, yeah, massaging
your notes, but you know what's going to happen. And
I think that was how we all felt here when
(50:54):
we were like, Okay, it's spreading everywhere. It's like obviously
going to happen to us soon too, so we just
have to like not have that happen. Yeah. A friend
of mine invented a time travel theory that I really liked.
They may have been on drugs when they invented it,
but it involved the idea that jokes are a way
(51:15):
of time traveling, because when you tell a joke, it's like,
let's say you tell a knock knock joke and you're like,
knock knock, and the person's like, who's there. It's because
they jump ahead to what they think the punchline is
going to be. They're jumping into the future, and then
when it's something different than they thought. Time splits you
(51:37):
mean the anticipation, you mean, it's just like a quantum
type split. Okay, well, the same can be said for
anything like your friend is definitely on drugs, but we're
causing rifts in the and we're causing quantum rifts. Right
now as we speak, a butterfly slap its wings. It
(52:02):
just really makes you think about what quantum riff could
you cause that would make things go a better way.
But things like twelve monkeys. In general, time travel theory
tends to say that you can't change anything. Whatever you
change is gonna be counter changed in some way, or
is going to be what was meant to happen all along. Yeah,
(52:25):
they're sort of. It's it's crazy because time travel, you
would think would be more about being able to fix
things and change things. But I think within most time
travel theories there's sort of an acceptance that certain things
are fixed that you can't change. That's what only what
the big anti time travel lobby wants you to think.
Let's expose them. Here it time and on. We think
(52:48):
time is whatever you wanted time, especially because because what
day is it? Ever? Now it's much um? Should we
take one more night call before we wrap up? Or
night email so to speak? Sure, this is a night
call from Emma high night call. I was catching up
(53:10):
on older episodes, and your discussion of whether or not
airbnbs were haunted reminded me of something that happened to
me last winter. At the end of last year, my
extended family rented an Airbnb cabin for the weekend. It
wasn't totally remote, not a cabin in the woods type
of situation, but definitely not in a densely populated area.
The cabin itself was mostly decorated in the personality less
Airbnb style subway tile kitchen west Elmie furniture, but we
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started to notice one odd thing. The place was absolutely
filled with evil eye pendants and things like these, with
an example that will put in the show notes. They
were literally everywhere, on top of every door frame or archway,
multiple in every room, about three by the front and
back doors. It seemed totally out of place from the
rest of the design, unless these are some kind of
hip decoration trend that I'm unaware of. Already a little spooky,
(53:55):
but the truly spooky thing happened on the last night
we were there. I'm woken up by a dog barking
in the distance. We hadn't heard any neighbors dogs the
past few days then I hear a soft humming outside,
not any recognizable tune. It sounded like someone is circling
the house while humming. It pauses for a little and
I hear it again. This time it sounds like it's
coming from the living room and hallways. Now I know
one of my family members has insomnia, so I peek
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outside my door to see if they were awake and
being accidentally incredibly creepy. But when I investigate the living room,
no one's there. I don't hear the humming again. After that,
I asked about it the next day and no one
else heard anything. We leave the next day as planned,
and nothing else like this has happened to me since
I don't even really believe in ghosts, just the natural
creepiness of a chaotic universe. But who knows, thought you
guys might enjoy the story. This is so scary. Um,
(54:41):
this is really creepy to me. I get goose bumps already.
This emale um mostly the humming thing, but also I
think evil evil eye pendants. Give me give me the willies. Um. Well,
as we have discussed, airbnbs should give you the willies
because they are haunted by the people they've displaced. Yes, um,
(55:02):
although I think evil eyes are meant to to repel.
Yeah right, yeah, but I think I don't know. There's
something about them being hung which tells me that there
was a problem. There's a reason they've been hung. And
like my guests after this story would be that like
whatever this humming thing was and this presence, this person
(55:25):
felt the owner of the airbnb hung these pendants because
of it. And so it's like, even though the pendants
themselves are meant to ward it off, it just tells
me like there's an issue here, like there's a totally
There's also nothing creepier than tuneless humming gives me the creeps.
(55:47):
I just rewatched Midsummer the other day. Um, and I
was talking with my husband about Hereditary, which we both
agreed we thought was scarier. And the reason that we
thought it was scarier was because of the clicking, the
tongue clicking. Hereditary is terrifying. Midsummer is scary, but it's
more funny. It's funnier. But also, like, I really like
both the devices in both movies of the clicking and
(56:09):
the the weird breath thing in Midsummer being used to
convey like something really off putting or unsettling. And I
think that humming is like potentially even more unsettling than
those things. The humming is there's something of like, yeah,
like Molly said, the tuneless tunelessness, where it's like something
trying to imitate a person, because it's a human sound
(56:32):
that could exist pre speech. You know, it's yeah, exactly,
it's an human pre speech. Sweet peach oh solved it.
Oh my god, the sound of a of a person
trying to come out of the wavelengths a human voice.
(56:55):
Do you guys think whistling or humming is scarier? I
think tuneless humming is the scarier. I mean, I'd be
scared if I was somewhere dustolate and I heard some whistling.
I think the humming is scarier. When I think of humming,
I also think of like um, you know, like keenan uh,
which is always like you know, that's such a like
ancient sort of morning practice, and it just feels so
(57:19):
like you're accessing these roots of like the very beginning
of humanity that it's always kind of like where do
we come from? I don't know. Yeah, I think there's that,
and there's also it could be an electronic hum. You know,
it could be something that's kind of like a synthesized
human um, some noise that's kind of almost like electrical
(57:39):
but also imitating a person. Now I've gotten the creeps.
Now I've caught whatever. I fail. It's a lawnmower man.
It's your lawnmower trying to become a man. Well, I
am so grateful to Emma for sending us this story
just because we had to kick off Spooky October somewhere
(57:59):
and other, so uh this, you know, now I've had
my first spook of the month. Thank you to all
of our listeners who called in and wrote in and
shared your night calls and emails and thoughts with us
this week. We love doing an all call episode. So fun.
We'll be back next week. Maybe we'll have some more
(58:20):
information to sort through. Visa visa potus covid. I'd like
to say potus covid, It's just it's just rolls off
the ton. But yeah, that that does it for us?
This does it? Does it drive you crazy? Just thinking
about like what if you could just jump one month
into the future and know what happens and tell everybody, Yes,
(58:41):
it drives me crazy every day thinking of that. Yeah,
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It's ten two pm in Sherman, Wyoming, and you're listening
to Nightcall. Hello and welcome tonightcall a Collin show for
artist Topy in reality. My name is Emily Oshida. I
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am in Los Angeles for once, and with me on
the other line, of course, are Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hello. Hello,
nice to be back on the same coast with you guys.
Welcome back and happy belated birthday. Oh thank you. I mean,
I got the best gift of all of the last
hour of October one, if you know, you know, um
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speaking of I feel like I was thinking of this
because you know, obviously I was like, oh yeah for show,
and the next day like when the Trump COVID news
was breaking, and I was like, man, this is like
the definition of an evolving story. I don't even feel
we could say anything about it because it'll probably be
outdated by the time this episode comes out on Monday.
So in the meantime, we're just going to take a
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bunch of night calls this week. Yeah, we have some
really good ones coming up, So thank you to all
of our listeners who called in and wrote in these
past couple of weeks. But first I just wanted to
talk to you guys or just give a little bit
of a report from the road from my travels, because
on my trip back from Iowa, I had a pyramid
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heavy trip. By pyramid heavy, I mean I saw two pyramids.
That's a lot of pyramids for one trip, to be honest. Yeah,
and all west of the Mississippi. So I was plotting
out my route as I have been doing every time
I hit the road again, and looking for things to
see off of I a d in Wyoming, which was
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a big chunk of the route that I took, you know,
consulting Wyoming travel guides and stuff, and and and found
the Aims Monument. Should I've never heard of before. But
it's a pyramid that it was built. It's it's now,
you know, just south of of I eighty. But it
dates back to obviously before the interstate system. But it
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was a stop on the Transcontinental, the Union Pacific Railroad.
It was once the highest point on the Union Pacific Railroad.
It's something that like eight thousand, two hundred and forty
seven ft above sea level. So I just, I mean,
it's just it's very bizarre. This is a treeless, you know,
wind swept plane in UH in Wyoming, just outside a
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laramie UM and there's a dang pyramid there. So I
was like, I gotta see this pyramid. I got to
see about this pyramid. How big is it? Um, it's
about the size of a small house. I would say,
a modest pyramid. Yeah, a modest pyramid. You know you
can walk around it, and you could probably walk around
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it in less than a minute. I would say, is
there a person in it? Well, um, there's two people
on it. So then the Aims monument as a monument
to um Oaks and Oliver Aims. By the way, you
can name somebody Oaks and that's Olks o A K. E. S.
That's like a very Brooklyn child name. But Oaks and
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Oliver Aims who were the UH This is off of
the Wyoming Historical Society's website. They were financiers and politicians
whose business skills were largely responsible for the completion of
the trans Continental Railroad. They were also later revealed to
be hucksters and fraudsters um when it came to the
financing of that trans Continental railroad. UM. It was sort
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of interesting to read a little bit about the trans
Continental railroad because at the time it was like people
have compared it to like how people talk about going
to Mars. Now it's just like impractical, like nobody needs that.
That's massively like what a waste of money, and uh,
that's just sort of funny to think about now. Uh.
So they had this monument inch I'm not sure who
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commissioned it, if it was them, but it was designed
by Henry Hobson Richardson. He's an architect around that time,
and it's got their heads on it. It's got these
boss relief heads and at first I thought it was
like Lincoln Abraham Lincoln, which wouldn't have not made sense
because it was built largely during I think during his presidency.
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But it's it's really weird. It's just this sort of um,
it's not a direct triangle like the Egyptian Pyramids. It's
sort of it's more of a zigaratte I would say.
It's kind of got this flat, flat ish top and
kind of two layers on. It will link to it
so people can check it out or you can just
google Aims monument. Uh. Yeah, it looked rad. Did you
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get out and like walk around? Yeah, So it's it's
sort of. It's very close to the interstate, but it's
all just dirt roads to get there, and they're really
really rough dirt roads. So I was like dry pugging
my little car through this uh dirt road to get
to the pyramid and nobody's around. Also, there was a
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fire that day, um, and I think continues to be
a fire, the Mullen fire and in Wyoming, So it
was really ominous out. It looked so apocalyptic when you
posted a picture, and it looked very much like hell.
It was it felt like hell. It was crazy. Um.
The wind was so strong that like I had to
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be careful, this is happening to me before and strong
wind where like the car door has slammed on my
leg with a high lived but it was like that
it was my hat and my hat was literally blowing
off of my head and I had to go chasing
after it like I was in an old timey cartoon. Um.
But it was Yeah, it was very dramatic. I took
some pictures and I don't know if there's a body
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in there. There should be a body, but it was
like a big churst chap like they would get out
because the transcontinential railroad was so long they had to
switch out engines halfway through the journey, so or probably
multiple spo stops on the journey, So that was one
of those switching places, and so all everybody had to
get out of the train and they would switch out
the engine and people would walk around and check out
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the pyramid like that was the activity. And then they
moved the railroad like three miles to the south, and
the little town that had sprung up there, Sherman Wyoming,
became a ghost town. So, um, there's and I think
there's just a cemetery there. That's all that's left of it. Cool,
but that was not the only pyramid that you saw. Yeah,
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So around Salt Lake City, I transitioned from the Interstate
eighty to fifteen, which goes through Las Vegas, Nevada since City,
and I made a little detour just to check out
the luxere Um because I had been seeing rumors that
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they're gonna be demolishing the lux or possibly. This is
not confirmed officially, but sources say that that MGM is
considering tearing down the lux sore as part of their
general push to d theme their Vegas properties, which is bullshit.
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They don't know what they got. The themed casinos are
all the best. I think this is the official night
cost totally. People want a party in a pyramid. You
can still put your superclubs in a pyramid. Yeah, I
don't think there's a Is there a club but lux
so I don't think there is, Like there's a club
in all of them. I just watched from Duck Till Dawn,
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which ends with a reveal that the club the titty bars,
really in an Aztec pyramid at the end, and it
reminded me that when I went to Tijuana last time,
we saw there was like a club in the shape
of an Aztec pyramid that looked amazing. We're all for pyramids,
real and and fake. Why are they getting rid of
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the themed casinos? Why it's just a vestige of the nineties. Yeah,
they went They did a family friendly phase in the
nineties where they were like, we're going to be bigger
than Disney World. Families are all going to come to
Las Vegas, so we're gonna put all this family oriented stuff.
And then in the two thousands at some point they
were like, funk that we're going back to like adults
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who want to drink and do drugs and get laid.
Why are they assuming that adults don't like themes? Also,
they could still be bigger than Disney because Disney might
be going down, So somebody's got to stick around for
a theme. Yeah, like the ex caliber needs to stay there,
like it's it's it's probably the only thing that's single
handedly holding Las Vegas together, that castle. They also they
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just blow up casinos every once in a while. It's
like a publicity stunt as much as anything else. It's like, hey,
we're blowing up this thing that was falling into disrepair
and we're just going to build a whole new one
to generate promo. Some might say it is the biggest
display of excess in Las Vegas that regularly happens, because
it's just like, what reuse the building, like rehab it?
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Fuck no, let's tear it down and build any I've
always said to that, like if they had let some
of the casinos that they did blow up, like the Sands,
if they had just kept them around and referbed them,
they would now be like people would love like a
like a rat pack casino. It's it's kind of kind
of stunnying that there's not really a rat pack themed
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casino in Las Vegas, Like I think maybe like the Cromwell,
which is a relatively new and kind of smaller casino,
is maybe in that zone. But there's not like an
all out like Las Vegas like fifties Las Vegas theme casino,
which feels like a major oversight. That's like all that
anybody wants. That's what Fremont Street is for. But yeah,
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I mean there's the d theming has been happening, particularly
with the MGM properties. The Monte Carlo shut down I
think sometime last year or maybe even back as far
as eighteen and now it is Park MGM, So it's
just like blandly fancy MGM. I mean, at least they
didn't tear down the Monte Carlo like they just rebranded
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it because it wasn't that distinctive of a building or
a structure and not like a pyramid or something. But
but yeah, this rumor has been posted on vital Vegas,
which is like a Las Vegas insider blog. Uh and
the writer is Scott Robin and he said, um, he said,
And this is all according to insiders. But the company
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has long felt its hands are typed by the distinctive
but limiting Egyptian theme of a lux Or and UH.
Company officials have discussed demolition of both Alux lux Or
and ex Caliber for at least five years, but have
been unable to proceed due to union contracts, and it's
possible that the COVID nineteen shutdown has paved the way
for what's to come for lux Or. So everybody likes
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lux Or here at night call. I've only been to
Las Vegas one time, but if you guys like it,
I do. I mean, they shoot a beam into space
that you can see from space. Yeah, why would you give?
And it attracts all the bats they die on the beam.
Uh yeah, it's I mean it's so. I mean the
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inside of of of lux Or is one thing. There
are some things that obviously feel like I mean tacking
a lovely way in a way that I love. But like,
as far as thinking about what like investors and money
Vegas people think, the structure of the luxe Or just
feels timeless to me. It's so cool. It's just undeniably awesome.
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And I just don't know why you would it would
get like it's it's a structure that defies logic like
you have to have a special elevator to go up
and down it. It should be protected as a historical,
like architecturally significant building. I think, um, but they don't
care about such things in since city. If you have
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any pyramid sightings you'd like to call in about for
our new segment Pyramid Pals, Yes, leave us a night
call it to four oh four six night with the
details of your pyramid sighting. Also, if anyone has been
to the pyramids in Egypt, I would love to hear
about that. Please do call in about that. I've always
wanted to go. Yeah, number one dream destination. But if
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we can't get to Egypt, I would also accept the
Bass Pyramid in Memphis. Yeah, the best pro pro shop. Yeah.
So we're going to take a quick break and when
we come back, it's all night calls, all the time.
Stay tuned. We are back and we're going to take
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a night call about the Q and on Pipeline a
night call. I have a story about an old roommate
who pretty much the bill for the Hippy Dippy to
Q and on Pipeline in college. Um, I'd say like
probably the most I guess behindsight is twenty but she
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was always very much like a chameleon, so she kind
of adapted to whatever group of people we were around.
But after college we kind of lost touch. And then
like within the span of two years, she had moved
from Miami to Costa Rica with a man who's like
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double her age, had a baby with him, was like
going on yoga retreats in other countries. It was. It
was just a total flip in lifestyle. She's very much
like party girl. And then I follow her on Instagram
and she started posting like obvious the wellness stuff like yoga,
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like I don't know, appreciating the earth, like a lot
of stuff about like natural healing, sound healing, um and
like eating raw in organic foods, everything in that arena.
And then she started posting um Instagram stories from an
account called red Till Babe, and I was just like,
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oh God, what is this And it's it's just a
full on queue and on account like full of like
anti back stuff, anti masks stuff and save the children,
and yeah, I think it's too late for her. And
I don't know. I go back and forth between like
feeling bad about like me not doing anything about it,
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Like could I have helped her and then also like,
is she well meaning? I like, I would like to
think so. I don't know. It's just seems to happen
so fast. It's very crazy. But I can you know,
you guys as well and share links to some of
the YouTube's because they're honestly a little bit. It seems scary.
It's it's just because it's and it's very dangerous. So yeah,
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I don't know, it's very conflicting. It's just sad to
see kind of happen before your eyes. Thanks, guys, appreciate
the show so much. I've been loving it past a
couple of months. Thank you, Thank you so much. Yeah,
this sounds pretty classic. That sounds like the what you
were describing Molly, like the Instagram influencer or want to
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be influencer who just gets full red pilled somehow. Well,
I think it's really the anti vax thing is sort
of the connection. But also once you bring in save
the children and everybody's like, oh, I want to save
the children. Yeah. I don't know if we've used this
term before, Um I've meant you, but conspiritual is one.
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But I weirdly I for a second listening to this,
I was like, are we talking about the same person?
But I think it's a different person. But I also
know someone for a time I don't know, maybe like
five years ago, I knew a few people who moved
down moved to Costa Rica for yoga, as if that
were something a lot of people were doing. But I
guess it was birthplace of yoga Costa Rica. Um. But
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they were all kind of, um, like upper middle class
people who were doing yoga as like a full time
job and wanted to go a little bit off the grid.
And we're really drawn to Costa Rica for that reason. Um.
I think all of them moved back after a little while,
but some of them also have um similar kind of
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like I don't think anyone I know is bold enough
to go full q and on on the socials, but
um definitely like the anti vax stuff is in there.
But that makes me wonder if there's some weird community
of yogi's in Costa Rica who are kind of doing
the Q and on thing. I'm very interested in the
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kind of like what it is about being in that
kind of community or like subscribing to a certain kind
of lifestyle that just makes you more susceptible to buying
into some of this stuff or just like not critical
about a lot of stuff in a way. I think
it's like you're being open minded in a certain way,
and you know, with a lot of spirituality stuff, it's
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like you're opening yourself up to a certain amount of
woo woo stuff. And then who's waiting to tell people
that are getting into that stuff what else is going on? Yeah?
Do you guys think though, that you can ever reason
with a person who's gone? I mean, or do you
think at any point in the evolution of being a
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sort of like spiritual person who's dabbling in some weird
ideas and then they end up going full Q and on,
is there any point or any kind of st atgy
you could use to step in along that progression and
say like, hey, I'm your friend, don't do this. There's
been a lot of guides about how to get people
out of Q and on. Jamie Loftus just posting about
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this the other day because I think she said she
had some family members who she was trying to get
off the Q and on thing. Um, I do think
it's possible to bring people back, is what I think.
I think the thing to emphasize with a Q and
On person in your life. And I don't have any
that I know of right now, but I think, I mean,
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I think the the thing that I have a little
bit of sympathy or empathy for Q and On people
about it is just like, yeah, of course, like people
in power are fucked up and corrupt and are doing
horrible things. It's just like you're so close, you know,
like just like look five inches to the right or something,
and then you know, you'll you'll there is something there,
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like your instincts, your broad instincts are correct. It's like
a lack of criticism. It's a back of um, I
think doing your own researching way, although I think probably
a lot of people would say, like I've done a
lot of my own research, but I think to acknowledge
that the overall tendency it is justified is maybe a
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good way to start with people, because I think to
just say you're crazy, none of this stuff is true.
How could you think that? I mean, it's very easy
to imagine how people could think that that's the scary
thing about Q and On. It's for me, I can
totally see, um. God, I was like I was in Iowa.
I started to believe in chim trails for five seconds, like,
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it's very easy for me to understand how people go
down this path because I was just like I looked
up and there was just like suddenly so many um
trails in the sky. And I was like, we're in
the middle of Iowa and no planes are flying. There
should not be anything here. How am I seeing like seven?
And then I was just like, Oh, I think they're
just flying at altitude of particular houses here or whatever.
I think it's really si about Q and on two
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is it provides like a universal theory for all these
things where they all go together. Yeah, but it is
also difficult to explain to people because a lot of
it runs parallel the stuff that is real. Especially when
the Epstein stuff started coming out. It was like, oh,
there is a secret cabal of pedophiles that have state
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power and are using it to traffic children. But it's
it makes you feel crazy to be like, but it's
not happening out of Comet pizza. I think it's happening
on a private island. That is terrifying. I think also
like maybe there's a part of the Q and On
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mindset that's like nobody's willing to acknowledge ship this dark
But I think maybe you could sell a Q and
on person on the idea the actual darkest thing is
that nothing is connected. Like that's the most like hopeless,
desolate place to be. It's just like there is a
lot of bad dark ship happening in the world, and
a lot of it has nothing to do with each other.
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Like it's just the way that the world is, and
that sucks, you know. Yeah, I mean I think with
some of these things too, it's like people kind of
get off on being told that nobody believes them. There's
something about the like I'm the only one who has
this secret information and I'm trying to tell other people,
but they won't listen to me. It also just like
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provides people with a feeling of purpose. We've talked about
how it's almost like a religious thing at this point
that it doesn't matter whether it's like makes sense or not,
it's just sort of like a devotion. Yeah, So if
you can introduce it as like like rebellion against a
church to to your queue and On friends, maybe maybe
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that'll hold some water. Since the entire Q and On
thing is like what I've been told, you know, is
all wrong, and I had no idea. My eyes are open.
Now you can do that again. Within Q and ON.
I personally don't think I could ever try to convince
someone that they were wrong about Q and on unless
they tried to convert me. Um. But that's only because anecdotally,
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I think that there's such I mean, it's right now,
there's like a logical like people are going on their
own logic over there, and so it's hard because you
think that, I don't know. I would be worried that
by trying to bring someone back from that it would
almost work against me and make them even more sure
that they were correct and dig in their heels like
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I almost think that kind of saying like, oh that
doesn't interest me, but like you do you? I mean,
is is that irresponsible to let someone fall off their
own cliff in that way? Weren't you saying you explained
it to your neighbor who didn't know what it was?
So the other I love my neighbors so much. Um my, uh,
my neighbors are older and they don't use the internet,
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and they like to call and talk about politics and
we agree on more things. But um, Yeah. My neighbor
had never heard of Q and on and so I
took about twenty minutes to explain it to her, and
she was she could not believe that a single person
on planet Earth would believe it, and I was like,
not a lot of people do uh. And then we
had a good laugh. And then I got off the
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phone and I was like, oh god, oh no, this
is so depressing. What if you indirectly red pills? Yeah? Right, no, No,
she went to go do some research after that. You
gotta be careful if you ever want to have me
explain Q and onto you, though, you can also be
sure that, like, there's a lot of total misinformation where
I'm like, I'm not sure about this. I'm just gonna
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throw it out there. Um, but yeah, I mean a
lot of most people, as we talked about a lot
on the podcast, are not on Twitter, so they don't
really know about a lot of stuff that we think
everyone does. Yeah, well, I gotta watch out for those
red pill babes. Um, thanks for the call. Should we
take another night call? Yeah? Yeah, Um, this one is
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our first far as I know, nightcall from Australia. I'm
very excited about this one. That's roll it high nightcall.
My name is Rabbia. You see her pronouns calling you
from Australia. UM. I just wanted to say about testers,
I think conperiracy theory that's AQUI is wrong. I don't
think you need to call that a conspiracy theory. I'd
say you're probably right that it is wrong. I just
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I just wanted to tell you what we learned here
from going through the same situation over Christmas. Often it
is wrong. We just figured this out gradually because some
days you'd work up and the official government hui would
say equality good you look out fie. It's not. It's
just all your senses will just tell you that that's wrong.
And what we gradually figured out was that basically, there's
never been a need for the AQUI to be sit
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been this important before. It's never been disseminated to as
many people, it's never changed this often. But the government
data sometimes would be like the twenty four hours behind
or averaged out from a bunch of different stations, or
the stations just weren't in there weren't very many of them. Well,
they weren't working very well, like all kinds of things,
and like you have different apps on your phone sourcing
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the information with different places and see different things, and
you look outside your sense to see something else. So
what we've figured out was purple air is the one
you want to use, because that's like the kind of
a source to the thing. A purple air a q
I readings comes from um people's houses. They've got their
own devices modering the air quality to update all the time.
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They'll tell you what's really going on. That's the only
fight you want to use everywhere else it's just not
worth it. I mean, yeah, really really fearful. Or you
went through the exact same thing not long ago, and yeah,
good luck breathing for the next couple of weeks months.
That's pretty rough the thing. I guess it's a small
example of what we learned generally. What we've learned from
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both the fives and the pandemic is that the government
will always do a worse job than people. Like, always
rely on the community on people on rather than anything official.
You'll always get better results that way. That's what we learned. Anyway,
Thank you so much. Uh, yeah, I'm looking at purple
air right now. I mean, the thing with the thing
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with the a q I thing is that I just
always I guess I always assumed it was sort of
like the temperature in a given place, like it's not
it's it's it's depending on where you are, like also
the environment you're around, like if you're around more trees
or more asphalt, like there's going to be some variants.
And I don't know that. When we talked about it,
it was we had just come off of the dangerous
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a qui days where we were seeing things and like
I think the one fifties and above and then and
and some of those days, by the way, did not
feel as bad as they were being reported, but out
of an abundance of caution, I at least just stayed
inside UM. But then after after a number of those days,
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the a qui went down into moderate range and there
was no way that was moderate UM. And I live
in a pretty like dense urban area of Los Angeles.
There are a lot of trees, but it's also there's
a lot of apartments and stuff. So you would assume
that that would be like the more reliable data, I guess,
but it was it seemed very unreliable. So I appreciate
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purple air that recommendation, but I also think it's very
interesting and totally correct to point out that this pandemic
has definitely taught us that community is more reliable and
kind of a better resource often than government, especially when
it comes to environmental things. I would say, like I've
been wanting we should table this, but like I just
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want to I want to note this right now and
maybe we can take some night calls about it. Like
one of the most oppressing things I think of this
year has been more or less confirming the fact that
recycling doesn't exist for a large part, and that's you know,
been completely something that's been pushed by state and local governments.
Uh that you know, recycling is the way that you
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do your part. And I think that I think that
there are certain things that you know that are like
I don't Again, we just talked about Q and on.
I don't want to go full into like don't trust
anything that an institution or government tells you, but I
think I think right now it's very fairly safe to
say that anything related to the environment and um climate
change and all of that is uh suspicious at best.
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It also just does make one feel like you have
to run around being like Q and on is fake,
so is recycling. But that was a big story. It
was buried because there's so many other stories. But yeah,
plastic recycling, single use plastic recycling with basically invented by
oil companies, as was the term carbon footprint was made
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up by oil companies. Yeah, to try and take the
blame off the fact that it's the oil companies who
need to reduce their carbon footprint, not individuals quite so much. Um,
I'm really excited that we are building solidarity with Australia
because they were through it. That was Yeah, was that last?
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Was that end that those fires were happening in Australia.
There's just a lot of similarity between Australia and California.
I think Australia is like England's California. It's like a
prison planet where they sent all the convicts and also
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and it has been huge problems with racism and a
beach culture and fires. So I really feel like that
community what you were talking about, could be you know,
sharing information across international lines about you know, helping each
other through something that clearly the government is not equipped
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to help people with its good And I agree with
the caller that sometimes you just have to listen to
your your nose, as they might say, when you go
outside and smell smoke, even if the aqu i says
it's okay if you smell smoke, trust your instinct. Yeah.
I mean again, I was in Laramie when this fire
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that had been about acres jumped to thirty acres um
maybe forty miles away from where it was. The entire sun,
like the entire sky got browned out. Um, couldn't even
it wasn't even the red sun anymore at that point.
It was just dark, and uh, everything smelled like fire,
you know, classic fire stuff. And my, uh my weather
(30:32):
app said that the air quality was good. I think
it was something like at a thirty or forty on there, so,
you know, I I figured that was also because they
probably didn't have as many monitors in Wyoming maybe as
they do in Los Angeles, but I don't know, Um,
but that felt fairly obvious that the air was full
(30:52):
of smoke. I have definitely been using purple air because,
like the Collars said, it has a lot of local sensors.
All though again I've started to become totally paranoid that
none of it's real because um, sometimes it still feels
like it'll be nicer or less nice outside than the number. Yeah, well,
(31:14):
shall we take a night email? Uh? Perhaps this one
from Joe Let's do it high night Call. I recently
came across the futile payphone project with tie ins too
the Willamette Dream Project. This seems like a harmless public
art project, but it is extremely creepy. I have attached
a link to a Reddit post about the project. The
(31:35):
original poster has a video of him using one of
pay phones and recording to hear what happens when you
pick up one of the phones. The phone is free
and offers options to do things such as press too
to apologize, whatever the heck that means. The phones offer
an option to record yourself telling your dreams for something
called the Willamette Dream Project, which this guy seems to
(31:56):
think could be MK ultra adjacent. Like I said, who
knows if this is just a weird art project or
something more sinister, but it reeks of night call. I
figured this could be a cool discussion. Would even be
willing to visit the one in Detroit and record my
own experience for you guys. Just let me know. I'm
in Ohio. I asked Joe if Joe felt like it
when they please go to the Detroit phone. But it's
(32:18):
it's very strange. The link to the Reddit post that
Joe attached was there are these flyers. Uh, this one
was found in Kingston, Ontario. I believe. Um, there's a
cicada and the bottom right, which the poster thought maybe
a link to the Cicadia Cicada thirty three oh one project,
which was like a kind of like weird puzzle, like
an Internet puzzle from a few years ago. Um, but
(32:40):
the flyer says, have you been having strange dreams? The
Kingston Dream Survey is investigating a recent spike in bizarre,
unexplainable dreams since the arrival of COVID nineteen. If you
have been experiencing any unusual dream activity, you can help
by reporting a summary with a phone number, um, asking
for a description of the dream. And then yeah, there's
a phone in Detroit. The link there's a link to
(33:03):
a company named Futell that places free pay phones um
around like lower income neighborhoods. The whole thing just seems
really really suspect and like it is probably motivated by
something not good. Um, there's not a lot of information. Really,
do you guys really think that it's strange to ask
people to share their dreams anonymously. It's not just that,
(33:26):
though apparently the prompts are are strange. Um, and and
I think putting them in like low income neighborhoods and
some some people think it's like a data mining a
data mining thing, but it's it's also dense. It's like
one of those rabbit holes that takes forever to like
get to any actual information. Um, there's like a lot
of videos in this reddit, uh, posts that will we
(33:49):
will link to in our show notes. Yeah. There. It's
as someone says, it's to do with the September fifth cult,
a reddit cult predicting something bad would happen on September five,
which is posted like a month ago. Obviously, I'm sure
many bad things happened on September. Many bad things happen
every day now. Yeah. Yeah, we have money down on
(34:10):
like every corner of the roulette wheel as far as
oh yeah, I've been saying you could do a we
didn't start the fire for just every single day. Um.
There's also a link to something called the Church of
Robotron by the way, in this this, this whole this
was a hot tip and very weird. If you guys,
(34:30):
if any of our listeners have any information about these
weird phones, please let us know. Yeah, I mean I
think at this point any payphone is going to seem
a little mysterious because there just aren't that many left
of them. Yeah. Um, yeah, anytime you see a payphone
in the wild and it's functional, it feels a little bit.
It feels a little wild. I mean, it looks like
(34:51):
these are built out of existing um like a T
and T or or Bell telephone booths, um, the futile ones.
They're those doctor who things. They take you to a tartist.
We don't have the full like booth though in the States.
For the most part, I feel like your legs, Yeah,
(35:13):
your your legs get left behind. Um. It's very hard
to change into your superhero costume, it is, unless it's
just changing shirts. Um. The site I'm on, the futile site,
which is a futile dot net um. And also if
anybody I have a suspicion that somebody who works on
this listens to night call, this just is like a
(35:33):
little vibe that I have. Really, Yeah, I don't know.
It feels very nightcall. UM. At Futile, we believe in
the preservation of public telephone hardware as a means of
providing access to the Agora for everyone, and towards that goal,
we are privileged to provide free telephone calls, voicemail, and
telephone mediated services. All services, including telephony and human interaction
(35:57):
are free from any Futile telephone. The thing that makes
me just think this is an art project is if
you really want to do some data mining, like Google
is doing this and in a way that people would
actually use it at you know, at scale. Um, you know,
we use it for our night calls. Um. You know,
(36:17):
for all we know, Google is using the uh conspiracies
and and and otherwise strange stories that people are sending
to us on the nightcall voicemail and uh, I don't
know mkal trainin it. I have no idea like that's
more likely to This just feels so small and niche
that I'm like, what are they actually How many people
(36:40):
are actually using these things every day? I don't know.
I'd like to recommend an Instagram account that it's not
related to futel, but is on a similar note, called
the call center on Instagram. It's the Underscore Call Underscore Center,
(37:03):
which is I believe in art project based around the
idea that there's like a phone that they want you
to call and that they're listening to your calls. Everybody
should check it out. It's sort of like an art
project about this things like this conspiracy. I don't think
it is itself an actual conspiracy, but it's incredibly nightcall
(37:25):
and I'm a big fan of the call center. Nice
call center, Come on, night call. I'm going to call
this number. I I just the the one the Kingston
from the Yeah I want to call. I'm very interested
because I think, like, again, this is another thing going
back to the Q and on thing, like a lot
of things that are art can be interpreted as being
(37:48):
satanic or you know, c I a adjacent or something
with the right lens, Like, I can totally imagine a
conceptual artist leaving having setting up a voicemail with you know,
weird or impressionistic prompts about people's dreams, and I think
that could actually be really interesting. Like that sounds like
something I would do maybe if I had a lot
(38:10):
of spare time and I was a conceptual artist. Like,
that's the kind of thing I'm interested in. Oh totally.
I mean I don't actually, I don't think it's I
I'm skeptical as to whether or not it's data mining.
But if you read through the whole Reddit threat, there
mentions of like calling border patrol and stuff that just
seems like if it is a conceptual art piece, maybe
it's like it doesn't have the best intentions. They called
(38:32):
border ptrol. Who calls border patrol? I think it's like,
I'm not I just closed the tubs, so hold on here.
So part way down the Reddit threat, someone said that
they left this comment on the one of the videos
that's exploring what this is um when we called the
fu telephone service thing, they mentioned the Church of Robotron
and gave options for different sermons. There was also an
(38:54):
option called hold the phone and eventually takes you to
someone saying choose your adventure and this weird very loud
and this weird music, very loud, with someone saying something
in the background with a series of numbers that we
can't hear. I also watched a video of someone calling
from a futile phone booth with an option for concentration camps.
And when he pressed for that, it called the U
S Border Patrol. There are new dream survey fires in
(39:16):
Ontario with a little cicada symbol at the bottom right corner.
There are now few telephone booths popping up in Detroit
as well. I mean that's maybe a good Maybe it's
breaking border patrol. They're listing border patrol as concentration camps,
which is true, so I don't it feels it is,
but you wonder, like, I don't know, I want to
believe that it's a good thing, because, like we said,
(39:37):
it sounds very niccall, but I'm also so used to
everything this year being a bad thing that I immediately
jumped to the conclusion that it's somehow nefarious. I think
you get into a little bit. You can get into
some dicey territory, as we've explored with you know, some
of our internet eric cults and cult adjacent things that
if you start to imitate or go meta and uh,
(40:01):
conspiracy stuff like you're kind of cause plane being a
part of a conspiracy or a cult or something like that,
but not like you know, kind of a little disingenuously.
I think you can run into some dicey territory. But well,
it's funny. It's funny when it overlaps with like performance art.
That is the strangest. A friend of ours worked on
(40:22):
a Marina Bramovich thing that was like a commercial for
Microsoft or something that when they put it up online,
it got so many Q and on comments. Yeah, what
I was talking about with the Q and on thing,
it's just like any considered satanic or whatever. But then
also like Microsoft took it down because they were like,
(40:43):
we don't want our brand associated with like satanism and pedophilia,
and that's all the comments are now. Marina Bramovic, who
know that she would be the patrons state satanism and pedophilia.
She's not in you know, she's not like into it
though she's I know, but they like, you know, there
were parties or whatever where she was pieces. You know.
(41:04):
I just feel like other artists would be like, yes,
that's right, I am like the high Priest of Satan
or whatever. She seems confused by the fact that people
are reading that into her work, even though as an artist,
I really can't control what people read into your work.
You shall we take another night email? Hell yeah, this
(41:27):
one is from Kevin we'll read this. Kevin writes, Hello,
night call. It's eighty three pm in Pittsburgh, and I'm
a longtime listener, first time right or in her So
this study any links out to it just came out
saying that if we were ever able to time travel,
we could go into the past without creating a paradox.
For example, if you wanted to stop COVID from happening,
(41:49):
you could go back in time and make it so
the first person doesn't get it. But no matter what
you do, somebody else would eventually get COVID, and then
things from there would develop basically exactly the same. So
so you could minimally changed the past, but not in
a significant way. And because of that, you couldn't destroy
the reason you travel back in time in the first place. Therefore,
no paradox makes sense. And then I thought of the
(42:10):
Mandela effect. The Mandela effect is the wacky internet theory
that says, sometimes when there are tiny differences in culture,
it isn't that you are remembering these events wrong. It's
that somehow the timeline has been slightly disrupted. Examples of
this include the Barren Stain Bernstein Bears, the two different
spellings of Barrenstein Bears and that movie where Shack played
(42:30):
a wrapping Genie. But people say it wasn't Shack, it
was the actor comedian Sindbad playing the wrapping genie. Full disclosure,
I'm not sure if the genie wraps. I just assumed
he did Shazam. I don't think. I don't remember anyway.
A lot of people say this is crazy. It isn't
the reality changing, but an example of faulty memories. They're
probably right. However, what if this theory that says if
time travel happens, it can't cause significant changes, but it
(42:53):
can cause tiny, inconsequential ones is true. It's a real thinker, Kevin,
thank you. You know you know the Mandela effect is
is based on this this sort of thing that a
bunch of people remembered that Nelson Mandela died at a
time that he did not. I believe that's what it is.
It's it's it's it's name for this false memory that
(43:14):
apparently a lot of people have that he died. I
had this recently about the actor Christopher Lloyd because I
was watching both Adams Family movies for the second time
this year. Because time is right, and I mentioned like
oh man, it was It's so sad that he died
(43:36):
to whoever I was with, and they were like, really,
I didn't know that he died, and then I checked
it and he didn't die. And I completely remember Christopher
Lloyd died when I was a kid. I don't know
if anybody shares this memory, we might have another Mandela
effect on our hands. I do not remember Christopher Lloyd dying.
That's I think that one belongs only just in my
little brain. I think some of these things too, are
(43:58):
like maybe really mers that pre date before you could
fact check rumors. So for me, I'm like, I remember
someone telling me that, like somebody from Saved by the
Bell had died in a horrible car crash, and that
was like a rumor in seventh grade or something that
you couldn't disprove at the time. And weird things could
(44:23):
go viral like that organically because they were just like school,
you know, play playground Q and on. Yeah, they used
to just be urban, urban legends. Yeah. The Barrenstein Bears
one seems pretty obvious to me, which is that anytime
there's someone with a name that is spelled like, you know,
(44:43):
differently than you'd expect, especially if you're a kid and
you hear your parents pronouncing it, you're probably like looking
at the front of the book and like mentally kind
of editing it and like correcting it. I know that
I have relatives whose names are often misspelled, like Almos,
always misspelled to the point where they have other family
members with different last names, or you know, friends that
(45:05):
they've had forever and they still address them with the
wrong spelling of their name, which drives me nuts. But
I guess that's just one of those things. But the
the like wrapping Genie or non wrapping Genie one, I'm like, okay,
was that, Like Emily said, are you talking about Shazam?
Which was it? Who was it in Shazam? Was it
Shack or Sinbad? I think it was. I mean I
(45:26):
think also some of these things just show the power
of group think, which is that if somebody is like, hey,
does anybody remember this thing, a lot of people will
be like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Kazam, oh Kausam, Okay, yeah,
I er I was like a recent film, okay, so
(45:48):
because am so that was referring to the movie because
am and them. Yeah it's Shack. But but if you
enter Kazam Sinbad, are you going to get a ton
of hits there? M M, I don't know. Yeah. Some
of some of these things too, it's like they're so minor,
(46:09):
you know, they're not like some people think World War
two ended and other people don't or something. It's not
like true alternate history. It's like these very small weird things.
For me. The Berenstein Bears one, which is always used
as like the example. I was like, well, I think
I just kind of made it like a Jewish last name,
(46:33):
and then it turns out it's not. It's like made
by Christians, right, So that seems very easy to explain
to me. Okay, wait, guys, I found the movie. Spoiler alert,
the Shazam movie never existed. Sinbad Chasm and it's Chaseam
with two a's and the second it says. In a
(46:55):
May interview, actor and sports star Shaquille O'Neal stated that
if kids wanted to see him in Sinbad team up
as Kazam and Shazam in an Avenger's style genie movie,
he'd put on that hilarious nineties costume and do it.
There's one problem, though, the so called Sinbad genie movie
doesn't exist. Yeah, I'm super into believing, uh this theory
(47:16):
that these minor differences happen because of time travel, mostly
just because right now I would love to time travel.
I just watched twelve Monkeys last night, so very in
that mindset. Isn't this also like the plot of that
movie yesterday where the Beatles didn't exist so you have
to invent them? Yeah? I mean twelve Monkeys did make
(47:38):
me think about it a lot, kind of logically about
if you did go back to stay January until everybody
there was about to be a plague, who would listen
to you? Well, I've been exploring this at length. I
won't bore you guys with all of the details, but
I will bore you with some, which is um that
if you were going to time travel back to January,
(47:59):
you would have to have of a list of early examples.
You would have to have predictions that you could prove
yourself with that happened in January. So you'd have to
do your homework before you time traveled. Because if you
were going to time travel to say, like January second
or something, you would have to have predictions ready to
go for like the second, the third, the fourth and
the fifth, so people would believe you. And only at
(48:21):
that point could you introduce something like predicting coronavirus. And
actually you'd have to go back earlier than January, probably
because coronavirus, some say, might have already been circulating even
in l A and like December Jina ran out of
the bag already. I mean, it's also like, you know,
we have some examples of non time traveling instances of this,
like the Bob would word thing, you know, in his
(48:44):
interview with Trump uh where he basically acknowledged that they
knew that it was dangerous and he just didn't want
to cause a panic or whatever. And it's just like
that's about as close as you could get to like
time traveling and changing the app come of it. But
it's like the wrong people are doing the right And
(49:04):
also maybe there's nothing that can be like what would
you do? Would you just like barge into I don't
know the C d C and and I don't know
what would you You'd have to use some like very
dire threats in order to get things through. I feel
like you would go find the original pangul in yeah,
and release it into the wild instead make sure that
(49:27):
it doesn't talk to any humans. Was it a pangulin
allegedly allegedly a penguin. People at first thought it was
a bat, and I follow a lot of that enthusiasts
who were like, don't blame bass. Everyone always blames the bat.
It's not the bath's fault. Even if a zoonotic disease
jumps to humans, it's not because the bats are like
(49:49):
trying to kill all humans. It's because of climate change
and humans going into parts of the environment that they
shouldn't have and you know, burning down forests and stuff.
If it's always humans, which Twelve Monkeys also gets into
a lot some good some good uh on point stuff
in Twelve Monkeys, I haven't seen that in Second Man,
(50:11):
Oh watch it. It just feels it feels like now,
but it does also have that. I mean, I feel
like there was that time period when the virus was
in other countries but it hadn't made it to America yet,
where I was just like sitting in my car every
day feeling insane, being like what can I do? You
know before it gets here. It reminds me of when
(50:34):
you know that you're getting sick, which if you can't
tell I am right now, and you're just like, don't
get sick, don't get sick, and you're trying to do
everything you possibly can to not get sick, like you're
taking all the like you know, weird supplements, yeah, massaging
your notes, but you know what's going to happen. And
I think that was how we all felt here when
(50:54):
we were like, Okay, it's spreading everywhere. It's like obviously
going to happen to us soon too, so we just
have to like not have that happen. Yeah. A friend
of mine invented a time travel theory that I really liked.
They may have been on drugs when they invented it,
but it involved the idea that jokes are a way
(51:15):
of time traveling, because when you tell a joke, it's like,
let's say you tell a knock knock joke and you're like,
knock knock, and the person's like, who's there. It's because
they jump ahead to what they think the punchline is
going to be. They're jumping into the future, and then
when it's something different than they thought. Time splits you
(51:37):
mean the anticipation, you mean, it's just like a quantum
type split. Okay, well, the same can be said for
anything like your friend is definitely on drugs, but we're
causing rifts in the and we're causing quantum rifts. Right
now as we speak, a butterfly slap its wings. It
(52:02):
just really makes you think about what quantum riff could
you cause that would make things go a better way.
But things like twelve monkeys. In general, time travel theory
tends to say that you can't change anything. Whatever you
change is gonna be counter changed in some way, or
is going to be what was meant to happen all along. Yeah,
(52:25):
they're sort of. It's it's crazy because time travel, you
would think would be more about being able to fix
things and change things. But I think within most time
travel theories there's sort of an acceptance that certain things
are fixed that you can't change. That's what only what
the big anti time travel lobby wants you to think.
Let's expose them. Here it time and on. We think
(52:48):
time is whatever you wanted time, especially because because what
day is it? Ever? Now it's much um? Should we
take one more night call before we wrap up? Or
night email so to speak? Sure, this is a night
call from Emma high night call. I was catching up
(53:10):
on older episodes, and your discussion of whether or not
airbnbs were haunted reminded me of something that happened to
me last winter. At the end of last year, my
extended family rented an Airbnb cabin for the weekend. It
wasn't totally remote, not a cabin in the woods type
of situation, but definitely not in a densely populated area.
The cabin itself was mostly decorated in the personality less
Airbnb style subway tile kitchen west Elmie furniture, but we
(53:34):
started to notice one odd thing. The place was absolutely
filled with evil eye pendants and things like these, with
an example that will put in the show notes. They
were literally everywhere, on top of every door frame or archway,
multiple in every room, about three by the front and
back doors. It seemed totally out of place from the
rest of the design, unless these are some kind of
hip decoration trend that I'm unaware of. Already a little spooky,
(53:55):
but the truly spooky thing happened on the last night
we were there. I'm woken up by a dog barking
in the distance. We hadn't heard any neighbors dogs the
past few days then I hear a soft humming outside,
not any recognizable tune. It sounded like someone is circling
the house while humming. It pauses for a little and
I hear it again. This time it sounds like it's
coming from the living room and hallways. Now I know
one of my family members has insomnia, so I peek
(54:17):
outside my door to see if they were awake and
being accidentally incredibly creepy. But when I investigate the living room,
no one's there. I don't hear the humming again. After that,
I asked about it the next day and no one
else heard anything. We leave the next day as planned,
and nothing else like this has happened to me since
I don't even really believe in ghosts, just the natural
creepiness of a chaotic universe. But who knows, thought you
guys might enjoy the story. This is so scary. Um,
(54:41):
this is really creepy to me. I get goose bumps already.
This emale um mostly the humming thing, but also I
think evil evil eye pendants. Give me give me the willies. Um. Well,
as we have discussed, airbnbs should give you the willies
because they are haunted by the people they've displaced. Yes, um,
(55:02):
although I think evil eyes are meant to to repel.
Yeah right, yeah, but I think I don't know. There's
something about them being hung which tells me that there
was a problem. There's a reason they've been hung. And
like my guests after this story would be that like
whatever this humming thing was and this presence, this person
(55:25):
felt the owner of the airbnb hung these pendants because
of it. And so it's like, even though the pendants
themselves are meant to ward it off, it just tells
me like there's an issue here, like there's a totally
There's also nothing creepier than tuneless humming gives me the creeps.
(55:47):
I just rewatched Midsummer the other day. Um, and I
was talking with my husband about Hereditary, which we both
agreed we thought was scarier. And the reason that we
thought it was scarier was because of the clicking, the
tongue clicking. Hereditary is terrifying. Midsummer is scary, but it's
more funny. It's funnier. But also, like, I really like
both the devices in both movies of the clicking and
(56:09):
the the weird breath thing in Midsummer being used to
convey like something really off putting or unsettling. And I
think that humming is like potentially even more unsettling than
those things. The humming is there's something of like, yeah,
like Molly said, the tuneless tunelessness, where it's like something
trying to imitate a person, because it's a human sound
(56:32):
that could exist pre speech. You know, it's yeah, exactly,
it's an human pre speech. Sweet peach oh solved it.
Oh my god, the sound of a of a person
trying to come out of the wavelengths a human voice.
(56:55):
Do you guys think whistling or humming is scarier? I
think tuneless humming is the scarier. I mean, I'd be
scared if I was somewhere dustolate and I heard some whistling.
I think the humming is scarier. When I think of humming,
I also think of like um, you know, like keenan uh,
which is always like you know, that's such a like
ancient sort of morning practice, and it just feels so
(57:19):
like you're accessing these roots of like the very beginning
of humanity that it's always kind of like where do
we come from? I don't know. Yeah, I think there's that,
and there's also it could be an electronic hum. You know,
it could be something that's kind of like a synthesized
human um, some noise that's kind of almost like electrical
(57:39):
but also imitating a person. Now I've gotten the creeps.
Now I've caught whatever. I fail. It's a lawnmower man.
It's your lawnmower trying to become a man. Well, I
am so grateful to Emma for sending us this story
just because we had to kick off Spooky October somewhere
(57:59):
and other, so uh this, you know, now I've had
my first spook of the month. Thank you to all
of our listeners who called in and wrote in and
shared your night calls and emails and thoughts with us
this week. We love doing an all call episode. So fun.
We'll be back next week. Maybe we'll have some more
(58:20):
information to sort through. Visa visa potus covid. I'd like
to say potus covid, It's just it's just rolls off
the ton. But yeah, that that does it for us?
This does it? Does it drive you crazy? Just thinking
about like what if you could just jump one month
into the future and know what happens and tell everybody, Yes,
(58:41):
it drives me crazy every day thinking of that. Yeah,
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(59:01):
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(59:25):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!