Best Guest Moments 2025 Part 1: Terrence Crawford, Diego Pavia, Theo Von, Ryan Coogler

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver a must-watch Best of 2025 episode featuring major special guests and headline moments. Acclaimed director Ryan Coogler joins the show to break down his hit film Sinners and his creative process, while boxing superstar Terence “Bud” Crawford talks about manifesting a historic run at taking all of Canelo Alvarez’s belts. The episode heats up even more as Unc clashes with Jim Jones over his comments about Nas, sparking a heated hip-hop debate fans won’t want to miss.

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0:00 - Vandy STAR QB Diego Pavia & Theo Von TALK Vanderbilt’s RISE in the SEC with Unc & Ocho! 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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got our very special guests joining us tonight.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Today. Vandy had his.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
First appearance on college game day in seventeen years, and
the count Commodorees beat Missouri to extend the programs best
start in eighty years. Better yet, three wins have come
against ap top twenty five teams the first time in
Vandy history, and here he is a large part of that.
The reason why the Vanderbilt commodore have had success. The

(00:41):
quarterback Diego Pavia Dgo.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
You mute your mute? You mute it? My bad? My bad?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Y'all?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
I appreciate you all. I got some people in the background, though,
they want to say this up all right?

Speaker 1 (00:57):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's what's up? Ain't doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yoh yeah? Chad?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Hey, hey, Chad?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Hey, I need some thiefs I chat yoh yeah? Od well, bro,
we appreciate you up.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
After a big win like that, we know Normally you'd
be out probably celebrate with the boys, but we appreciate
you giving them some of your time.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Honey. You know, the party don't start till after twelve, so.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Bre okay, that's what's up. Did That's what's up. So
that's you can't be there when the party start. You
gotta walk in. Let them know you now, DP now like,
huh when this season looked after last year, what you
were able to do? You beat Alabama for the first
time in forever, and so now you set expectations coming

(01:44):
into this season. What were the expectations for you and
this ball club?

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Well, we set out in January that we want to
win the national championship. We feel like we're the best
team in college football still. Our defense really good, our
offense is good, and team is good. So we just
put those three together. Shoot, you know what it is, m.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
And you you the way you've been playing.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
You kind of caught people by surprise last year, but
the way you played last year, so you know the
expectations coming in this year. You're supposed to improve on
last year's production. How have you been able to stay
even keel, don't get too high, don't.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Read the press.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
The internet, the press, clippers and let everybody patch you
on the back and tell you how great you are.
You stayed really level headed, but you've played exceptional well
this year.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Coming into this year, a lot of people were like, man,
Diego's figured out, he's washed. Yeah, got it, you know
what I mean? Real shit, real shit, that's what Yeah, yeah,
you know. Come show me, Come show me. I ain't
got it. Come showing you got me figured it out?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Butus you.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think the most important thing, though, is word seem
like we all got each other six that's how it is.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
Hey, we get You're confident with where you from original.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Albuquerque, New Mexico. They call it albut crazy New Mexic left.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 7 (03:05):
With the confidence you have, not only the way you play,
the way you speak, the way you carry yourself, the
way you.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
Walk, you move your aura, you move like you him.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
Where's that confidence come from? Especially at the quarterback position.
Most of the time it's frowned upon. They want to
be button up and say all the right things. But
I like your style. I like your style. And do
you think once you get to the next level, please
tell me you remain the same way you are now.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I wanna be the same killer I've always been. I've
been doing this hit since Juco.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
You feel me, but nonet believe in me.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
No, I like it.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
I was a negative star. You ever see one of those?

Speaker 6 (03:45):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I like it yet.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
But the thing is, I'm looking at your numbers. I
mean ten or nineteen one to twenty nine. You didn't
have the greatest day, but you found the way when
the rubber needed to meet the road. When you need
a it's ten ten, And if it's four minutes in
the ball game and we gotta go down and get
a touchdown, because we're gonna put pressure on you.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
We don't want you to kick no field goal.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
We want you to come down against our defense and
have to get a tub because I will get this
in the end zone.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I would, hey, hey, don't.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
We're gonna get this ball when I throw it, you
catch it when I hand it to you, Just hold
on to it because we're gonna get this ball in
the end zone and we're gonna put pressure on them
to make them go down and get a touchdown against
our defense.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
I was just in the huddle and we came off
the time out and the first player was supposed to
go to me, and then they changed it up and
gave it to SETI. SETI got it close or whatever,
and I knew that next player I knew. I knew
that bitch is going to me.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
So I was like, hey, so let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
They throw the hall Mary and the guy catches it,
because the officials at first said not good, but they
review it and they look, he caught it, but he
was at the one.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I was like, oh shit, we're going in overtime. And
the crazy thing is is that we went into overtime
with them last year too. The score was twenty, so
it was like I was like, oh shit, this shit
coming over. But it was gonna swing our way this time,
you know, right right?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
So now look you're seven and one. There's still a
chance you guys can get to the SEC Championship game.
You go to the SEC Championship game, anything can happen.
You know, you went to SEC. You going to the
college football playoff. That's the one thing we know. Whoever,
moving forward from now into perpetuity, if you win the
SEC Championship, you're gonna be in the college football Playoff.

(05:37):
So now, how do you remain how do you keep
this team focused? They're like, look, guys, we really haven't
accomplished anything yet. Yeah, we're seven and one and we're
happy and the words of young fuck who did do woo?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Did do? We seven and one?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
But now I'm trying how do I get to be
eight and one? So what's your message? What's gonna be
your message to your team? And obviously gonna enjoy the
win you get twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
And enjoying win. What's gonna be to your messy to
your team on Sunday?

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well, I think a lot of guys broke up with
their girlfriends, so they're hungry themselves. Real shit, real ship
just broke up with his girlfriend. He's hungry, he said,
feeding the ball. You know, Okay, a lot of guys
don't got girlfriends right now on the team, So I
think that motivates us. But I think going into this
next game, it's taking one game at a time. Like

(06:25):
Texas is a good team. They want tonight in a
critical time and we'll see them at home. Dude, we're
really excited just to get another opportunity to play though.
Uh our defense playing lights out, our old line. They
were they were coming up to me after the game
and they're like, yo, bro, sorry, sorry, sorry now, my dude,
we won, you know, but they just want to play

(06:45):
better and just like become so dominant. Like that's just
the expectation of just being avandable for all player now
is just being dominant, like, not not these little margin wins.
It's going out there and just leg it on the line.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know, how have you been how have you been able
to stay level headed? Obviously, look, Vanderbilt the program is
not what it's not Alabama, it's not one of these
perennial powerhouses, but you're turning it into that because Johnny
Manziel put Texas A and M back on the map.
Now when they think of Texas A and M, and

(07:18):
they've had good players come out of Texas A and M.
But Texas and M now is the house where they
play Kyle Field is the house that Johnny Bilt Now
you're that guy. You're the guy that's putting Vanderbilt football
back on the map. So how does how does diego
Pabia stay level headed? And that you know, you the ish,
you know that, you know, I mean, you're like, damn,

(07:39):
what's that smell?

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's me, because I'm the dookie. That's me.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
So so how do you how do you stay level
headed to make sure that you don't get too far
in front of yourself?

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, one either yoga every Monday. That makes you come
and just like come back to earth, you know. And
then and on Tuesday, after practice, I do a lot
of grounding. I'll ground for like an hour and that
Usually after that it's like our full reset. I'm good
to go, ready for fucking Saturday.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
That's what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
So what what? What? What?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
What?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
A party? What a party? Had tonight?

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Have you ever heard of the street called Broadway?

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Okay, okay, okay, I like it. Hey, Nashville like that.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
You haven't been here.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
I've been to Nashville once. I've been to Nashville one.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
But listen, hey, dB, this is the thing.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
I'm one that I don't party. I've never had alcohol before.
I don't I don't drink, I don't do anything. I
don't go I don't go to clubs. I like jazz,
I like cigars. So I'm really not the fun guy
you would like to hang with. And I played video
game twenty four to seven.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
So I'm really boring my my boy c B two.
He don't drink, He don't he don't do any of
that either. He still has a good time. Brought broadaways
a place for everyone. I'll tell you that right now.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
That's an invite. That's an invite. We have two more
home games. This is an invite for both of you
guys to come out and show out.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
Hold on, I come, can I can?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I can?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
I come on the field? Do dogs bark? Hey? I
might be able to put on you.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
askTel you still got some how much time you got
left available?

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (09:43):
What's good?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Good?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
We see this guy? You feel.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
Hey? I got you?

Speaker 7 (09:57):
Make sure you there have a fresh cigar right there
on asylum for you, hey, ask asked the bandy over here.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
They even let you like blow the whistle for like
the start of the third quarter or whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
When I first they got more recruits here. Now, when
I first came the first game, they had probably six
recruits on the sidelines. They had one dude in a wheelchair.
He was a recruit, and I'm like, what is he
gonna do? But they said we might need him. I said,
the Lord need heed. Just give him some rest. But

(10:30):
now today they had like one hundred and fifty recruits. Man,
it's wild, it's different.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, hey man, Vanbilt, Vanderbilt turning up. They turning up.
So hey, digg which I mean, you got it. You're
gonna have any more eligibility left after this year?

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
I think I got like, uh, fourteen or sixteen years
in the league. Hey, he he just sawed me up.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
These that's what's up. Hey man, diego man, that's unbelievable. Man.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
So I see, now you with the guy because THEO
is from in Nashville, so you just go with THEO.
So everything that's opened up, this is the Guysville man.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Damn. Hey, wait for you.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
I'm going Nashville. Is I won thirty minute?

Speaker 4 (11:16):
You?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Damn?

Speaker 6 (11:18):
I live in Miami.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
No, No, we we might have to visit you. We
might have to visit you.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
We need to go to some of them white girls
with you. Yeah, if y'all faring any y'all like to
keep him?

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, you know he's self, you know, don't last ship
both of them? No, nah, Hey, I was gonna I
was gonna cut, but I can't jump down.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
Yeah, yeah, listen prop Hey uncle a dp uncle. Uncle's
on probation. And I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Oh ship, yeah, at your home. I might be able
to come, but since you're gonna be going out, unfortunately,
I'm not gonna be able to join your dig.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Leave you guys at the at the jail cell with
my brothers or whatever.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
May.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I appreciate your hey dig, appreciate your time, man, beast
luck stay healthy and man, hey we look. I love
watching you every single week. Watch you do your thing. Man,
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
I appreciate you guys. That's love.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Man.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
I'm gonna catch you guys. Launch y'all see you here. Yeah,
let's see it. Let's see both, y'all. All right.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Appreciate your man, love, man, appreciate you. Hold on, Oh Joe,
is it twenty six already?

Speaker 6 (12:43):
And he live?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh yeah? Oh yeah you could? Oh yeah all the
way live?

Speaker 6 (12:47):
He live. You know what to remind me of?

Speaker 7 (12:49):
This is my first time meeting, just the interaction and
the way he carries himself. Hey, you remind me like
like scatter boat.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
But yeah, I like him.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Oh you oh he all the way live.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
I like him.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh yeah, oh he no, no, he live lies like
the Jokers, Like the Joker said that the first bad way.
Oh we got live with her? Yeah he all he
all the way?

Speaker 7 (13:16):
What hey listen that that is the kind of quarterback
I want to play for It.

Speaker 6 (13:23):
That the type of dude.

Speaker 7 (13:26):
You want to play for It like that, man. That
that's good energy. Boy, that's good energy. And it's different.
It's different than what a quarterback is supposed to. It's different,
it's authentic, it's raw.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Pause. I can see why. I can see why.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I can see why Johnny gravitated towards him, Johnny, And
I told you at the beginning, Johnny sees a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Of himself and him.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
Now I get it. And we're not talking just we're
not just talking about it on the field either.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I like good energy, Yeah, Johnny, Johnny.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, Johnny got an opportunity to know him outside
of the foot outside of the field. Yeah, Okay, their
highth and they kind of play similar, but their personalities
and and and the confidence that theyg zude that they
that they instilled in their teammates.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, I see why. I really see why.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Now that was dope. That was really dope.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
That was dope. Yeah, that was Uh. He got THEO
bond a.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
They won Charleston Southern.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
They be Virginia Tech, they be South Carolina, they be
Georgia State, they be Utah State. Lost to Alabama beating
number ten LSU at the time, beating number fifteen Missouri.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
At the time. They got Texas and Auburn Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Uh, they got Texas on the road, Auburn at home,
Kentucky at home, and then they finish up the season
uh in state rival Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Oh man, Uh, it's it's it was it man.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I said you got the alien? Really say yeah? Fourteen
to sixty years in the NFL, that's what manage. Oh, Joe,
we got a special guest, the director Black Panther, the
director of Creed. He's a recipient of four NAACP Image Awards.

(15:25):
He's been nominated for two Academy Awards, a Golden Globe,
and the Grammy. He's the director, as I mentioned Black
Panther in Creed. He has a new movie that's coming
out of April.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Call here. He is Ryan Coogler. Ryan, how you doing, Bro?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I'm happy to do with y'all.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Bro I'm happy that you're with us.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Man, I'm feeling good.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Like big fans of yard coming up. I used to
play I used to play football.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
Not as well as y'all, but but big big fansy
yard there and then and then watching y'all transition. Man,
it's been it's been beautiful. Bro likes. It always warrins
my hurt.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
When I see uh, when I see athletes prolong that career.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Let me what Let me ask you this right, Okay,
you wanted you like you played football? Did you have
professional or collegiate aspirations?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Absolutely? Bro, Yeah, absolutely, Bro. I used to I used
to play with mar Shan Came Yeah, yeah, Yeah. We're
from the We're from the same neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
So okay.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know I played him, played against him and UH
and Pop winning high school and college.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (16:28):
I played at Sacramento State, so so so so so Bro.
We both played for the same coach Man. You remember
coach Steven Mushagen.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Hey, Coach Moose.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, Coach Moose got me my scholarship that sacrament On State.
Look at that's me scoring a touchdown on Davis right
there on You see Davis.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Receiver. Right, I was.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I played slot was cooking, cooking, not like y'all, bro.
But I played for school. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
I played.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
You feel me there? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:59):
They are?

Speaker 6 (17:00):
Yeah, man, Coach coach Moose is good man.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
So let me ask you this. Okay, you go to college,
you have a nice little college career. When did you
decide to say, you know what film is going to
be the direction that I go in?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, brought a great question.

Speaker 9 (17:16):
So so I'm I got my first scholarship to a
school called Saint Mary's College.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's known as a basketball school.

Speaker 9 (17:25):
We had we we used to have a football team,
and then I dropped the program after my freshman year.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, I played.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
I played quite a bit that season. Like I was returning,
I was returning kicks.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I was always playing. I was playing.

Speaker 9 (17:37):
She was playing a little bit dB that year, and
uh so I got some more scholarship offers. But while
I was there, it was a woman named Rosemary Graham
who taught I created writing class. And she read something
I wrote and she was like, hey, may think about
writing screenplays. You know my girlfriend at the time, she
now my wife. She bought me a little software. Uh,
I can write screenplays when I fell in love with it, man,

(17:58):
So so by the time transitioned to Sacramento State, I
was doing it on the side, taking taking writing classes
and shooting shooting short films with my hommies, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
And then I applied to film school in two thousand
and seven. It's crazy broke because because we was in
I was doing real will going.

Speaker 9 (18:16):
Into my senior year and I got an injury doing
seven on seven where walking on like Cale was trying
to walk on. The team was over eager and he
h he caught me on a post and broke my
psycho maadic arts right here.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
So it was it was.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I was eight weeks off.

Speaker 9 (18:30):
I couldn't lift, I couldn't do anything, and and and
during that time, I realized, like I need to I
need to put this application in for film school. Man,
football is is is fleeting, you know what I'm saying.
So so I applied to USC Film School and I
got accepted. I found that I got accepted in the
middle of the season. And right around that time, man,
I started to find myself my mind wondering when I'll

(18:50):
be on the field. I'm thinking about I'm thinking about
a movie I want to make. I'm thinking about being
on set. You know that ship is dangerous when you're
doing that. To be football, you gotta be all in.
And that was kind of when I knew, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
Right, That's that's dope, man, I want to talk Listen.
I'm a movie head. I enjoyed films.

Speaker 7 (19:08):
I enjoy the arts and the crafts of it. I
enjoy getting lost in character. I get very passionate when
when I talk about stuff like this. So I watched
the trailer for Sentners, and to me, it seemed like
a unique blend of of supernatural action, you know, mystery
and psychological theory. How did you approach this genre in

(19:28):
Benning concept? And what was about this story they made
you want to tell it?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
That's a beautiful question. Man.

Speaker 9 (19:34):
So I had an uncle who was from Mississippi, you know,
from But I had an uncle who was from Mississippi,
and he was like the oldest mirror of my family,
all this male memory of my family, you know what
I'm saying. So, whenever I kicked it with him, he
want to listen to all blues records and Tyler Whiskey,
you know, what I'm saying. And he passed away while
I was working on Creed twenty fifteen, and I'm never

(19:54):
really really wrecking with his passion, you know what I'm saying.
I would put blues records on to think about him,
and that was how I got the idea finished man
like like you know, coming off of Coming off a
Black Panther.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It was a real long movie that that kind of everyone.

Speaker 9 (20:08):
We dealt a lot of tragedies, a lot of a
lot of misfortunate with the covid UH situation. So for me,
I wanted to make something I was quick, but also
something I was that was very much, very unique, very profound,
you know what I'm saying, Like like and and I
wanted to to to play in in the genre rock
and incorporate music, but I also wanted to make something

(20:28):
I was a little bit that was a little scary, man,
because you know, black folks we like that, you know
what I mean, We like theater and talking at the screen.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
You know what I'm saying. I think that something that exactly.

Speaker 9 (20:40):
Exactly you know, I think I think we had some
incredible filmmakers that have capitalized on the medium. You know
what I'm saying like, you know, think thinking Jordan's yeah yeah, yeah,
but spice, spice do this thing and that and that
in that genre near the constants, think in that genre.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
You know.

Speaker 9 (20:55):
So I was fired up about it, bro, And you know, truthfully, bro,
like it was a chance for me being a probably
got a greg migration, you know what I'm saying, from
being born and raised on the West Coast, I get
back to the South and and em brace that, you
know what I'm saying, and break that part of my ancestry,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Like, like I have to. I had the most amazing
time making this movie. Bro.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
How long?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
How long?

Speaker 7 (21:19):
I'm just curious how long does it take to make
make a movie in general? I mean, I don't mean
this one in in specifically, but I'm just saying in general, Well,
what's the timetable?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Like that's a great question.

Speaker 9 (21:29):
So this one we made relatively quickly, but they go
from it, they can go from anywhere from two to
four years.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
You know, this one was able to.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Make in one year. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (21:38):
Yeah, it's essentially, Bro, It's essentially like imagine imagine the season,
season and a hive for football, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It takes you six months to shoot, six months to
a year to shoot it, and then you have to
edit it. It takes you another six months to a
year to edit it.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Career man.

Speaker 9 (21:53):
And that's not including writing the script, because I write
the script too, right, Okay, sometimes you got to shop
the movie around, you know what I'm saying. You know, Uh,
someone I can tell you how long my movies all took.
So this is my fifth movie I wrote and directed. Okay,
Frouville it team classic, classic man.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's crazy, I said that, man, But it took me.
It took me about a year to make that one.

Speaker 9 (22:16):
Okay, you know, uh, Creed we shot that we start
so created crew was about a year and a half.
You know, like like in the half of that year,
was just trying to convince the loan that that that
it was worth doing, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
And rightfully, so you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (22:30):
He was he was he wanted to make sure that
we was we were serious about it and make sure
that it work.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
It would work for him and and it was shot
in January. We put the film on like November.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I was a fast one.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Black Panther took about two years started working on in
twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen Black conn of Fever.

Speaker 9 (22:46):
It was like it was like a four year movie,
you know what I'm saying, because I wrote, I wrote
one script, you know what I'm saying. Chadwick passed away.
I know, you know, didn't even know you were sick,
so they have to rewrite that. You know, we got going,
the pandemic slowed down quite a bit, and then you know,
my my lovely actress got injured, so we have to
shut down for a little bit, you know what I mean.
And we put that one off. So I wanted to

(23:06):
make something flash after that. After that, you know, four
years on one movie. You feel me, all right, But
I was blashed man to be able to make something
that I'm so proud of, man, like super really proudly.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I can't wait to show it to y'all. I think
y'all gonna dig it.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
Man, Listen, I know I'm gonna dig it when you
watch the trailer for me.

Speaker 7 (23:25):
When it comes to anything that you do with you
an athlete, you have to be a special athlete that puts.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
Busts in the seats.

Speaker 7 (23:30):
When you're a comedian, you have to be a comedian
that has stage present to always keep the crowd engaged.
When I watched the trailer, and it catches you, when
it catches you right away. I don't know who did
it end, and I don't know who did the trailer,
but I'm telling you right away, it catches you, and
it keeps you, and it holds you.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
And then it's like it's an appetizer. But it ain't enough.
It ain't enough because I want to I want to
see what's next.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
So now I can't wait to see it. And it
just I'm very passionate. Was asking when it comes to movies, Bro,
I've been a fan of yours for a long time.
All your work, everything you've done. That's why I can't
shut up right now.

Speaker 9 (24:07):
I'm gonna tell you. So I'm gonna tell you something crazy.
For real, Bro, I'm gonna tell you something crazy. We
met before, Bro, for real. We met at the at
the at the Tribeca Film Festival. It was the first
film festival I ever got into. Spiked a movie called
Kobe doing Work in ESPN had the world premiere of it, Bro,
and I and I and I saw you in there,
and I went over there and shook your hand.

Speaker 7 (24:28):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know what I'm saying, just just just on the strength,
you know, just being a fan of what you do
on the football field. I was also student of the game.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
You know what I'm saying, Like, whatchall what y'all was doing?

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Over there Cincinnati, man? When it was when it when
it was when it was when it was you and
TJ and the ways. Bro?

Speaker 6 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
You know what I'm saying, Hey, Like like like just
just just just the the precision of the rout running
and bread of confidence, you know. You know what I'm saying.
Both of y'all had that. Both y'all had the mental
game too. Bro. I remember, I remember, I remember Shanning, Bro,
it used to be miked up.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Oh. You know, limit.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Study your movies a lot of your movies. You got
Michael B. Jordan, Michael B. Jordan in this role. He
plays a dual role. He's stacking. Because I'm like, how's hello?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Did look like this? This looked like Michael B.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Jordan playing both of these both for us, say come
on hold, So I had to rewire it look even close?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I said, it is?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, what is it about Mike that you love casting
him in your movies? If I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
He was in Prof. Veil, He was in Prof. Bail too.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
In all of them, yeah, yea, even in all of
them look bro like, like what should find. It's chemistry, man,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
It's it's a.

Speaker 9 (25:39):
Head coach on the quarterback, it's a quarterback receiver, you know,
like like you get it. You develop a shorthand where
where you save time.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
You know what I'm saying. You establish a tone for
the rest, for the rest of the crew. And we're
not the first ones to do it.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Man.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
Usually when you see when you see filmmakers work, they
Denzil yeah, man, I mean big time spiking hisself, Tony
Scott and Denzel Yeah. You know, Squortaz had had a
thing with with the nero and then you rekindled it
with Leo exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know.

Speaker 9 (26:09):
It's it's it's it's hopeful man. And and Mike has
a you know, Mike, Mike has a uh has a
very amazing work ethic, you know what I'm saying. Like
he like he's always willing to go, always trying to
push himself. He doesn't want to rest on his laurels.
You know what I and I and I and I
can rock with that, bro.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
So so you know I put him in. I'll put
him in every movie.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
If I can't always he always have a uh, he
always have a role if I'm if I'm working, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Let me ask you this, right, how did you How
did you come up with the name Sinners? Why the
name Sinners?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's a great question, bro. We found that late.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Man.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Like, for a long time the movie was just called
grill Cheese. It was a working working title.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (26:47):
Like like, so if you put up in Louis Louisiana,
you know, this past summer and said, man, we're grill
Cheese shooting that, they would have brought you. That would
brought you to our movie, you know, and and and
and the story behind that name was I've been cooking
these long long on drawing all crazy meals. I wanted
to make something quick and fast. I knew it tastes good,
you know what I'm saying. So that's how he came
up with that.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
But for Sinners, you know, it was a collaboration between
us and the studio trying to figure out the right
name for the movie.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
And and we.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
Realized that that that that line you know that that
word was said so many times throughout the script. You
know that it deals with blues music and this relationship
with the church. You know, like a lot of times
that the best blues singers will come from gospel, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
You know, learned that that. You know a lot of
times that Daddy's was pastors, you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (27:32):
And they and they singing, they singing music about drinking
and bumping and grinding, and it's in conflict with how
they was raised, you know, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
So that so that dynamic was when that we.

Speaker 9 (27:42):
Were really that we were really uh you know, once
we realized that that like like it was like a man,
it was always the name.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
It should always been called that, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
But this movie, but the trust no one, because this
movie has a lot to do with paranoia.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
M h.

Speaker 9 (28:01):
Absolutely, bro Like, I mean, look, it's you know, it's
dealing with it's dealing with black culture, you know what
I'm saying. And and and a lot of folks don't
know that like that that you know, I would argue
that blues music is the most important contribution that America
has made to global pop culture. You know what I'm saying,
Everything comes from that and when you do when you

(28:23):
do the research, it really came from this one specific
area of Mississippi, you know what i mean, like like
like and and and at that time when when Blues
was created, it was very hard.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
It was a very hard place to be black, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (28:35):
And yeah, and people were trying to people were trying
to affirm that humanity, affirm that dignity at a time
when when when when it was you know when it
was when it was very difficult, and people were trying
to keep them separate, right, you know what I mean.
And for me, that experience kind of breathes a level
of paranoia, you know what I mean. When you can't
when you can't be all after after dark and shortain towns,
you gotta you know where you where, you know where

(28:56):
everybody knows everybody. When somebody new shows up, you know
what I'm saying, Like, who've been going a long time?
You know, it's a little it's a little bit uh uh.
You know you might look out them a certain way,
you know, I mean, how did y'all come up?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Manys?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Y'all come from places where everybody knew everybody. You can
tell all.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Sorry, jump out, I'm from a small town. They were.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
There were thirty five hundred people with two traffic lights.
So I mean we pretty much, we pretty much knew everybody. Now,
obviously there were people that were would come back from
New York, A, Chicago, and Detroit that I wasn't familiar with,
but I knew their family and after a while they
ended up staying, so we were cool.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
We were cool with them.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Also, you said something very interesting, because everybody talks about
the Mississippi Delta, the Delta Blues. Yes, sure, this film,
this film deals with a lot of brotherhood, Lordy Fate.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yes, sure you You.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Did a great job of working and and and and
putting all that together, and it came together from the
trailer for what I saw.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I haven't been to the movie. I hadn't been to
the movie since the pandemic. I'm gonna go check this
one out, all right, to see how you tie this
thing all together. Now, I saw the two minute trailer,
but I want to see you ty this thing together
for ninety minutes.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean we we I'm proud
of it.

Speaker 9 (30:06):
Man, And like, look, another reason I think he's gonna
you're gonna dig man, is your relationship with your brother
sterling bro. You know what I'm saying, Like whenever I
hear y'all, whenever I hear y'all talk, I gotta imagine
in y'all neighborhood, y'all was knowing you know what I mean,
Like like you know, like in that so these twings,
you know it's smoke, Yeah, smoking strike. It's an archetype right,
like every neighborhood always already been in and had a

(30:27):
set of twins that everybody knew that was kind of notrius,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, and we were playing
on that that you know that that that that relationship
between the brothers, Man, what makes them similar? What makes
them different? You know? I think Mike just did a
beautiful job with him.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Man.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
I think you're really gonna enjoy anybody who who got
that type of relationship. You know what I'm saying, A
big brother got a little brother. You know, donna really
feel this movie. I think on a different level, I
like it.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
I got I got one more question, man, after creating
something like this, something that's so Bowld so different, and
you know you're pushing boundaries, you know, with with with
most of your work and your craft. And and again
I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna harp on it because
I've never had a chance to actually tell you.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Now I do.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
I'm gonna make sure I let you know. I'm a
huge fan of everything you've done. And I'm really I'm
really really.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
Excited for this.

Speaker 7 (31:12):
But do you see yourself continue to push boundaries with
more genre films or or just I don't want to
be too nosy, but what's next? We got another Creed coming?
If if you do, got another Creed coming, I want
to shoot my shot real quick.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
We did I like to find a boss?

Speaker 9 (31:28):
Yeah, we got another Creed coming for sure. Oh let
me let me, let me hear is gonna direct that?
So so yeah, like like you know, absolutely, bro, Like
I think, I think, uh we let it make something
happen for you. And but the other the other piece
for me is like, you know, I want to work
a long time, bro, I'm gonna, I wanna, I'm gonna

(31:48):
I want to make all types of stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Man, I do love working in the genre space.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
This is my first This is my first like movie
with all horror elements, and Brock, I tell you, it's
very did you know what I'm saying, Like the idea,
the idea of doing something else that that that that
isn't this much fun. It kind of frightens me a
little bit, man, like you know. So, but we'll see, Man,
we'll put this out to the world and people respond
and then we'll go from there. But I'm definitely I'm

(32:16):
definitely not closing the door on doing more genre work
for sure. Man, it was it was just it was
just too much fun with you for real, right.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
You know what, Ryan, when I look at it and
I think about like, you did Fruit Veil, You've done
a Creed, You've done Black Panther. Now you're in this genre.
It's kind of like Spike, because Spike has kind of
been all over the place. He's done Malcolm X, He's
done Hurricane, he did Devil in Blue Dress, He's doing
the Harlem Blues, He's done Inside Man, he's done.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I think man On.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I think he did man On now that he did
twenty fifth Hour. Yeah, so he's kind of been if
that kind of like, look, I don't want you all
hold me in there and saying, oh, he only does
if this is a comedy, this is right. If it's
something to do with Marvel or Black Panther, it's gotta
be right. You want to be like multi faceted. You
don't want to be tied down or pigeonhole or tight

(33:07):
calf for any particular type of movie.

Speaker 9 (33:09):
Right, That's absolutely correct, man, Spike. Spike is a big,
big hero of mine. Man, a mentor, you know, same
with same with John Singleton. You know what I'm saying,
big big hero mentor and then stepping outside of our
our you know, our community. I love film like it's
like Steven Soderbergh, you know what I'm saying, where you
never know, you never know what they're gonna do next,

(33:29):
but you but you gotta, you gotta you know it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Be quality, you know what? You know what I'm saying,
like like like if and I do.

Speaker 9 (33:34):
Definitely want to continue to push myself but also push
the medium forward. Man, you know what I'm saying, Like
it's it's it's a blessing to be able to to
work in a space where you get to work on
things at a fresh work on things that haven't been
done before. You know, for instance, with this film. You know,
this is the first time that that Imax camera has
been combined with a with an ultra panevision. So it's

(33:56):
the same it's the same camera work, same camera package.
I was using on quin Tarantina was filming a Hateful Eight.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
That was great.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, yeah, so you combined that good with.

Speaker 9 (34:05):
The traditional Imax film came the first time ever, you
know what I'm saying, So so so getting getting a
chance to break new ground and do that with with
you know, with people of color on the screen, you
know what I mean, and a story setting the Mississippi
does it, and it's it's a great honor to be
able to do something like that, you know, you know
what I mean. And it helps me to be motivated,
helps me to stay sharp. You know, I'm getting to
work with people who I've been working with for a

(34:26):
long time, and it's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I don't want, I don't want to be too presumptuous
of this, but I saw something and it seemed like, uh,
I forget the two brothers, but it's two brothers, oh Joe, uh,
and one of them might be cast. I would have
throw my head in for you know, I would have
throw my head.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
In just.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
What's it doing?

Speaker 4 (34:48):
All right?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Hey man, get it in there.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Hey hey we can talk about it. Man.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Hey, how you how you gonna take the sto?

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Can I get my role first?

Speaker 1 (34:57):
And okay? Oh you okay? You would be one of
the fighters that Creed fight.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay, Yeah, I gotta think I got.

Speaker 7 (35:06):
An extensive background in combat sports, so it would be
perfect to be able to transition, so I ain't really
got to play no character.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I could just be myself popping that thing.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
As I found out.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, all this Hadge, all this Hodge, all this Hodge.
Oh yeah, I mean they had him, they had him
already in the uniform. I was like, okay, yeah he
definitely could. He could definitely pass.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
But the jab, yeah he could.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah know all this big shots off the
autist man, he is incredible. You know he make watches too.
Bro doesn't straight up, straight up knows how to make watches?
Brow like a like a like a like a gins bro.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Right, Were you were you? Were you as a kid?
Were you in the comics? Were you a superhero fan? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Big time? I had an older cousin, you know, the
artist of Three Boys, had no big brothers, always been
looking for him, you know what I'm saying. I had
an alder cousin who was who was who is seven
years older than me, who was a big head. And
I got into him just because he I thought he
was cool, you feel me? So I so I was
when I started reading him.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
But I did.

Speaker 9 (36:04):
I did always read him, Like I took a break
from a little bit when I when I got serious
about sports, right, we were still watch the cartoons.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
With have you but it was you know, it was
it was all school and ball.

Speaker 9 (36:16):
But like you know, from I A would say, from
like from like eighth grade, like ninth grade maybe to
uh to to my senior year college.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
And when I went back to film school, I got
back into him.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
You know what I mean. Do you collect him?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Man, that's a great question, bro. I honestly I do.
I do, man, like not but not but not actively bro.

Speaker 9 (36:35):
Like what happens now is is like I'll go to
Comic Con for work and and I'll go they got
they got they got basically a floor you know, where.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
You can where you can go, where you can go
buy anything.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Fail.

Speaker 9 (36:48):
Yeah, I got go in there and hit the floor
and copy one or something, you know what I mean.
But it's been a while since I've been in the
comic book story. Man, I'm not I'm not gonna hold
you give me your top five superheat rolls. Oh ship right,
all right, I'm gonna go fast. I'm not gonna over thinking.
Well go, I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to
Charlad number one, Okay. And then I'm gonna go I'm

(37:12):
gonna go Wooverring Okay. Who can I put a villains
in it?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
You can't? Yeah, I got, I got.

Speaker 9 (37:19):
I got Magneil number three, who Magneto? Yeah, I got,
I got Magnil number three. I got h all right,
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go deep cut.
I'na go deep cut.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Russ arts from from Watch Me, okay Ross Shark rus
Shark watch Me.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
And then.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
And then I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Rogue.

Speaker 9 (37:52):
Okay, I like wrong number, Yeah, Rogues gosh bro like
like the the uh you know you know, you know
you know her glove off, touch touch you take your powers.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Knock yard. I mean, that's that's yeah, that's pretty that's
pretty shyy.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I'm surprised you really didn't go with a lot of
the old like like Superman, Batman, Batman ain't no superhero
Batman they.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Got he can't do is with that that belt, bro
bro bat Batman Batman. Batman was a dog for me,
o Bro Like like the fact that I'm saying this
is what I was saying, Batman is crazy because because
because that was that was, that was man, that was
that was the one for us.

Speaker 9 (38:24):
Because they had that, they had to they had to
animated series. Yeah, and we used to main line and
I had a homie from Fresno who played dB incredible
defensive back here he a coach now man Me and
him during fall camp, bro We we went high on
the on the on the d v D pack and
during them do thats were we were right back to
his girl.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
House and washing him and watch the movies.

Speaker 9 (38:45):
That is Brood, make sholl make a little shoull make
a little food for us. Bro We on the couch,
bro taking taking it, taking it back to eighth grade
with it.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
You know, that's live, that's live.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
So black Man for three how long we gotta wait
not long, Yeah, not long. I mean there's been a
lot of rumors circulating that U Denzel gonna be in it.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, I don't know, that's what that's what the.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Word of the street.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah talking.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (39:20):
I'm been dying to work with dnjl man and I'm
hoping we can make that happen. But but but I
got I got every intention on working.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
With him in that movie. And as long as as
long as as long as he interested, man, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 9 (39:35):
But but but you know, he he he a live
in legend man, and he is and a great and
a great mentor for so many of us, you know,
like like he just he just he's all about all
about looking out for us now, man, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
And you know it wasn't example bro for how to live. Man.
He got his family around him. You know, it's it's
children like everybody around.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Been with Paul let for forty plus years. She's David John.
David used to train with me in Atlanta. I had retired,
but he was down at Morehouse and the trainer that
trained me bringing to the track. We you know, you know,
tell him how to do certain things. I've known that
family for twenty that was in retire so like twenty
plus years.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
So and Denzel is great, his wife Pauletta, John David Man,
they're they're unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Or see I just I just seen Denzel.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
I wasn't able to actually they were.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I was able to let him.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
I was there, but he wasn't taking no visitors. It
didn't matter, it didn't matter.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
Who you were.

Speaker 6 (40:34):
I was able to see him. Last week in New York,
I went to see Othello.

Speaker 9 (40:37):
Yeah yeah on Broadway. Bro no no, no, yeah on Broadway.
He had a different song, bro oh yeah, always a player.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
Oh man, beautiful, beautiful. Listen.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
I took drama. I took drama uh in high school.
So that's why I still have a love for drama
in the arts and theater and dan So I really
excuse me, come on, un man, start playing right. Hey, listen,
you already know because you get Hey, you can hear

(41:07):
me talk when I talk about certain things.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
You already know it's something I really like.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Now, Hey, hey, why you why you hey? Why why
you called bush? And when he said dance that was
when he was when he got up in there are you?

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (41:17):
Yeah, hold on, this is this is how, this is
how you know. I love dance too, Maya maya RC.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I did.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
I did.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
When I was playing.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I just left. I just left New Orleans.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
Last week I went to see Alvin ellie Man for
the The Ump Team time since nineteen eighty eight, when
my grandma took me to go see him in eighty
eight at the Gustman Theater.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I love it, Bro, months.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
To talk.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Come on, hey, I would go.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I would to go see him. I'm gonna see him.
I haven't been the whole lot of Broadway I saw. Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I saw Samuel Jackson when he played Doctor King. Okay,
I might not get there.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Broad It is different.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
It is.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's so different than going to the It's so different
than go into an actual movie. I don't know if
you know what I'm saying, don't, Joe. I mean like
you just went to but to sit there and to
see I'm like, damn, this is amazing.

Speaker 9 (42:15):
Yeah, it's no, Joe, Bro, It's a true actors medium,
you know what I'm saying, Like like like whereas whereas
in film, you know, like like it's arguably a filmakers
medium that say, television as a writers medium, like like
like that at that stage is an actors medium.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Bro, They got nothing to save.

Speaker 9 (42:31):
Them, you know what I'm saying. They just they just
up there, you know what I mean. It's no, you
can't bleve me in, you know what I'm saying, Like
like it's just it's just, bro.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
And that's what Denzel says. Denzel says, he's a He's
a theatrical actor that went to the screen. See he
cut his teeth on Broadway.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, he takes that.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
He said, some people are stage and they come to Broadway.
I was Broadway that went to the went to the screen.

Speaker 9 (42:58):
It's interesting too, bro, because it's like because like a
lot of people don't a lot of people don't understand too.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
It's like it's like it's like the culture of Broadway,
you know, like like very similar to you know, very
similar to basketball, right like if you if you if
you you know, like basketball is very culturally ingrained in
the United States, so much so that if you go.

Speaker 9 (43:19):
Professional if you go watch a professional basketball game anywhere
in the world, most of the players is gonna be
from the States.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
If you go overseas to Italy and watch the game
there or overseas in Germany. You know what I'm saying,
Like you you'll see a lot of players here and
with that stage work. You know, it's so culturally ingrained
in the u K. You know, you know what I mean,
Like it's it's it's a part of their culture. They
are bought the stage the way we are about basketball here.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
You know, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (43:48):
It's in every school, It's in every you know, so
you see, so you'll see these British actors getting shipped
out all over the place, man, and on every role,
you know what I mean, And on every on every
you know, you know, white white British actors. Uh uh,
black British actors, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And
for for me coming up, Bro, the first time I
hit I hit a Broadway play and really and really

(44:10):
seeing and really seeing it, seeing somebody get THEMN you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
It was it was it was like you know, like
like I don't wish I had been exposed to it earlier. Bro,
you know what I'm saying. I might I might have
been I might have been doing that.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know what I mean right, well, hey, even if
I just get a kick me or I could be
I could be's brother. We got you, bro.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Hey, Hey, y'all man, Hey, hey.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Hey that I could be a brother something. I'm coming
that I'm coming. I'm coming with it righty Hey, Hey,
I'm withining man.

Speaker 9 (44:44):
Yeah, y'all man, I'm with it man, Yeah, yeah, y
y'all got y'all got such y'all got.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Such great chemistry.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
Man.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
When when I when I when I watched y'all bro
evident man, evident.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I appreciate that. Centers arrive in theaters, April eighteenth, direct
by written by Ryan Coogler. He's written such freak fruit
Bell Station, Black Panther, Wakanda, Forever Creed, and now he's
with this one. Sinners arrives in theaters, April eighteenth, Ryan,

(45:15):
thank you for giving us a little bit of your time.
Thank you for the trailer. We all support you, hey, chat,
make sure we go out here and support our brother
Ryan Coogler. Hey, he's doing big things for the community,
doing big things for the culture, and we gotta make
sure we keep him up. We're gonna lift him up
and we're gonna keep him up There Ryan, thank you
so much for your time.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Appreciate it. Hey, I'll see you down the road now.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I appreciate y'all.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Man, thank you, thank you, boss man love Man.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yes, sir, all right, guys, we know y'all been awaiting
to say, no, you have not missed the Bud interview.
Nice time for you to show you, guys, the interview
that Ojo and I had with Bud Crawford earlier today.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Let's take a listen to this sound guys.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Allright, ladies and gentlemen, we told you we had a
very very special guest joining us tonight in the four
belt era. He's the first male boxer to be undisputed
in two weight classes. Harry is taking on the ultimate test.
He says he wants to do it. He's going to
do it.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Herry Is, Ladies and gentlemen, Terrence, Bud Crawford, Bud, what
did it do?

Speaker 5 (46:20):
What's so whatever?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
So that I'm good? But look, we're seven six, seven
days away.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
From this flight. You seem so calm, you seem so relaxed.
When I did the earlier interview on Club shayshe you like,
I'm ready. I've been preparing for this. Everybody seems concerned
because you moving up to three different weight classes, but
you seem calm.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
What's going on? What are you thinking now as the
crescendo is about to happen.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
The only thing I'm thinking about it is is history,
you know, making history. That's it.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
But how has camp been so far? How has your
approach been in camp this time as opposed to other
fights has had Have you had a different approach in
the way you went about training.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
For this fight?

Speaker 5 (47:08):
You know, like I said before, you know, camp is camp.
You know, we go in there and put in the
hard work. No matter who we fighting, canelos no different.
We train hard, we fight hard. You know, the work
is done in the gym.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
What the novice like, oh man, Bud, Bud, Budd.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I've saw a lot of people that do this professionally,
do what you do box professionally, and they'll say, I
don't know if Blud understands the difference in punching power
from a one sixty eight versus a one forty seven
versus a one fifty four versus a one thirty five.
That seems to be the concern of people that do
what you do for a living. Bud, Are you concerned

(47:53):
about that, because when I talk to you said, he
need to be concerned about my power.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Fact.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
You know, one thing is evident is that you're gonna
get hit in the boxing match. Okay always, you know,
everything would be you know, all the questions will be
answered come Saturday. You know, they don't got to speculate
and guess and hope he can't take the punch. How

(48:20):
you know I can't take the punch. You know that
one ain't never hit me. And I said I can't
take the punch or you know, so I just laugh
at people. That's you know, praying and hoping it goes
the way that they wanted to go. You know, so
Saturday everything be shown.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
You look good, Bud. I mean you had the internet
and the buzz. They say, man, damn, Budd, look good.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
And here we are and we're still wait a couple
of days away from the fight and he's looking like this.
So obviously he's put the time in the gym. He's
put the time in the weight room. The one thing
that's never been questioned about you, Bud, is that you
took your craft series.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
You put the time in.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
No one has ever said, Bud crawl or stepped into
the ring and he was unprepared. So we know you
are prepared, but what because and I asked her, so, well, damn, budd,
I mean to step up in this weight class? What
do you normally walk around at You're like, I'm good.
He's like this, this is this is really good for
me because I ain't got to cut that much. I
ain't got to cut that much weight now.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Right right, No, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
I'm good.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
You know, like always said, everything happened for a reason,
and that reason being that I'm here now and you know, uh,
it's already written. So I'm just ready to go out
there and make history and uh my legacy comes back.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
Listen, if if there was one boxer who can make
history going up weight classes, going down weight classes, regardless
of what it may be, you have a chance to
see ment yourself in the history books when it comes
to some of the greatest boxes of all time. If
there is one boxer that can do it, is you
based on your mentality, your upbringing, your surroundings that have

(50:05):
built you for moments like this. Boxing is about moments.
Boxing is about making history and making fights.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
People want to see the only question I have going
to this fight.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I have you to win.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
What challenges you think you might face fighting, It's.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Gonna be a lot of challenges.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
You know, he's a good he's a good fighter all around.
You know, he's a good pressure fighter, he's a good counterpuncher,
he's a good boxer. Uh, he has a great defense.
You know, it's gonna be a lot of challenges, but
that what makes for a great fight. You know, you
gotta you gotta solve the puzzle. So you know, just

(50:46):
like he gotta solve my puzzle, I gotta solve his.
You know, we're gonna go in there and we're gonna
give all and the best man gonna win.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Have you Have you thought about it? Have you thought
about it?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
But when you look at guys that are moved up,
You look at Sugar Ray goals from thirty five to
forty forty seven, fifty goals all the way to sixty
to fight Marvin Hackler. You look at Floyd and what
he's been able to do. You see Pakia. But when
I think about a fighter, I'm looking at Roy Jones.
Roy Jones started out of a junior middleweight one fifty
four goals all the way up to heavyweight. I'm looking
at you where you started, bro, you thirty, you thirty five,

(51:20):
thirty forty pounds for where you originally started at. Have
you let that sink in the gap and what this
would mean for Bud Crawford legacy.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I'm still attendance.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I'm gonna be able to tell my grandkid your popau,
uncle Joe, and not gonna be there. Your popau was
there when Bud Crafty shocked the world when he did
what no one thought he could do other than himself
and those in his circle. Have you allowed yourself to
think about what this moment actually means in boxing history.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
I haven't thought about that yet because the job is
not done yet, Okay, you know so of course, you
know a lot of people kind of remind that you know,
this is history, like go out there and do your thing,
But you know, you don't want to get too too
far ahead of yourself, like it ain't I ain't, I

(52:12):
ain't did nothing yet. You know, so after you know
the fight, that's when you know all the emotions and
everything that come out.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Reality.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
My question is how soon after your last fight did
you start thinking about the Canelo or was Canelo always
on the horizon. You fought, you fought Sean Porter, you
fought a Arrow, and then you fought this last fight.
So how how how far did you out did you
start thinking about, Man, I want to fight I want

(52:48):
to fight Canelo.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Well, really, I wanted to fight Canelo when I was
at one forty seven before I far matcham. I wanted
to go up three divisions to fight Canelo, you know,
because that never been done before. I want to do
things that have never been done before, you know, so
I can be the first. Like I was the first

(53:11):
to become a two time undisputed in the four belt era,
first male boxer.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
To do that.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Like that's that's that's legacy right there. When they when
they talk about you know, being undisputed and undisputed champions,
they're gonna they're gonna see me my name as number one.
It was the first fighter, the first to do it. Yeah,
and that's gonna set the bar high for the fighters

(53:37):
coming after me to try to, you know, do better,
which they probably will, you know, in history.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
But give the time, would you give them something to
shoot for, Bud, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, just
like the other boxes I mentioned Sugar Ray and Roy
Jones Jr. Some of these other fighters gave you something,
gave you a target, and that's gonna keept like you said.
Some fighter in fifteen years, twenty years, thirty years from
now said I saw what Bud Crawford did, and I said,
you know what, I want to challenge myself like Bud.

(54:07):
Bud went did it, had no fear and said, hey,
whatever happens gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
But I need to know.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I don't want to I don't want to have sent
back and regressing. Man, I should have got that fight.
I should have did that and be afraid somebody's gonna say,
but they did something because they saw Bud Crawford do
it in twenty twenty.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
Five for sure.

Speaker 7 (54:27):
Yeah, list something that the fans always asked for, including
myself or being a huge boxing enthusiast, we always talk
about making boxing great again, getting fighters to fight each other.
I think you're gonna start something, taking on the challenge,
daring to be great, wanting to create a legacy and
make his fee in itself. I think a moment like this,
when you do step in the ring with Canelo, it

(54:47):
would get some of the other best fighters to actually
fight each other instead of, you know, mosing around and
picking and choosing win to fight.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
Scared just just the challenges that you're taking on is dope,
dope to see.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
But after some of this magnitude, But a fight like
this where you talk about legacy, you talk talk about history.
I'm not trying to put the carriage before the horse.
But what's next after something like this of this magnitude?

Speaker 5 (55:13):
This damn big Listen, man, we tell you one fight
at a time, one fight at the time.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Well, you meant to put the horse before the carrot,
because the carrot does go before the horse because the
horse is chasing the carroat.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
But we got with you, but we yeah, we get,
we get what you we got. We always dad, what
do you mean? But I'm.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
But I know you're very You're very close to Floyd.
Did Floyd give you any porners about how to go
in there? Because Floyd fought Canelo. I think Canelo was
twenty three, Floyd was thirty six, so you're a little
slightly older than what Floyd was. Canelo was a little
slightly older than when he thought. But had he given
you any porners of how to go about go about
your business or do you even take corners? Do you

(55:57):
watch film on fight? Or because Floyd that he didn't
watch film, he took what the trainer was gonna say,
and he implemented that in the ring.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Do you watch film and have Floyd give you any porners?

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Well, of course, you know I watch I love him,
you know, not too much, because you know I always
said that the fighter that I'm fighting I is gonna
not gonna fight me the same way because my style
is different. Gotcha watch a little video to see the
things that they like to do. You must see that.
Then I know what the work going. I know what
to watch out for. As far as Floyd, No, I

(56:30):
haven't talked to Floyd about Panela or the fight.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
When you go into it, when you say you watch
a little video, are you looking for a pattern? Are
you looking at the way he's trying to set things
up and you look at the way he circled you
look in the way, So what what?

Speaker 5 (56:43):
What?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
What exactly are you looking for?

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Just you know, a little bit of everything. I like
to look at to see what the tendencies is and uh,
things that they do, things that they don't like, you know,
just certain patterns for sure. So then when I I'm
in the ring, I recognize it when I see it.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (57:04):
You know it's coming?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (57:08):
You?

Speaker 7 (57:09):
You have all of us, all of us have I
have a routine before I play football games. There was
something that there was a pattern, there was a I'm
not really superstitious. Is there a certain routine that you
do before every fight? And are you superstitious in any way?

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Perstitious? Like I said, all this is already written, you
know what I mean, This is already God plan. So
you know there's nothing he can do I can do
that can write history. It's already it's already done, you know.

(57:41):
So we just got to see how it goes.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
So go ahead, go ahead, I say, I know how
it's gonna go.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
I know how has go.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
And when when you raise your hand, I'm finna jump
on the ring like little Mama did when Jaya stay.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
I'm telling you right now, I'm jumping, jumping in the ring.
They have to take me to jail.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Sure, yes, I'm gonna make sure that take you to jail, though,
don't worry.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
So so so Bud, now, okay, here we are a
couple of days away now for the most part the
haze in the barn.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
There ain't no more sparing. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
You might might have one more day of roadwork, whatever
the case may be. Now all of a sudden you
trying to make sure you come in at that one
sixty eight. So over the next three to four days,
what is a Bud called for day? Are you watching movies?
Are you you know you're catching them? The last you know?
Your trainers in your ear says, okay, remember this, this
is what we worked on. So what's up the last

(58:39):
three to four days? What is that gonna be like
for Bud Crawford?

Speaker 5 (58:43):
A lot of media, a lot of interviews, got the
press conference, you got the wings, you got you know,
the shakeouts, you got to make them way then you
got to fight. So yeah, you don't just be sitting
in a room just chilling, you know what I mean?
All you still got things to do.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Is that a good thing or a bad thing that
you don't sit alone in your thoughts that you're like
you're saying, you're doing interviews and you got you you
got this media tour that you got to go on,
and you mentioned you got the prayers conference. But for
the most part. I would think family, friends and loved
ones leave you alone and so you can focus on
what you need to get focused on. So is that

(59:24):
what happens? I mean, you've already given everybody Okay, look here,
I cut the phone off at such and such a time.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Don't call me.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Hey, somebody else is going to handle what they need
to do. Uh, Mama, you got the kids. Mama, you
have an everything manager. You had everything over here. Now
it's time to prepare my mind and really just lock in.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah, it.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Gets like that, But at the same time, me as
a protector, I'll still be, you know, worried and thinking
about them. Yeah, especially when they all come to Vegas
and you know, they all partying or going now out
things like that. Knowing me, I'm like, what they're doing?
Where they at? You know, right? Are they here?

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
They here?

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Are?

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Make sure they're good?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
So the worry in the bottom ain't th one never stopped,
but everything else is. It is definitely cool to be
you know, in your in your thoughts at times like
I like to sit by myself and visualize the fight,
you know, how it's going to happen and what I'm
gonna do. If this happened, what I'm gonna do with
that happened, you know, and just be in your own

(01:00:31):
space At times?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Do you believe a lot of people say, well, I
don't believe Bud can win a decision. Blood, Bud is
probably going to have to stop Canelo because Canelo is
the champion at the one sixty eight, and it's probably
the likelihood of him getting a victory by decision in
Vegas at this weight probably not gonna happen. I mean,

(01:00:55):
what's your mindset by any means necessary, if it has
to go to the cars and go to the car,
if they're the if they're a point in the fight
where I feel I can, I can, I can sit
down on some punches and get him up out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
That's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
My thing is, I don't worry about what people say.
You know, Okay, how many people is worried about what
other people are saying, Oh, he's too small, or he
can't take the punch, or he not gonna get a decision,
or he's this, he's that. I don't worry about nothing.
That My job is to go out there fight. That's
what I'm gonna do. Come say, I'm gonna go out

(01:01:29):
there and fight, and I'm gonna fight my ass off,
and you know what I mean, and then whatever happens happening,
you know. But I know one thing for sure, I'm
not leaving without that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
All them belts, damn. So hey, you're gonna be like
a department store. You're gonna have about eight nine, ten
belts where you walk up out the belt.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
I'm gonna be walking out with all of them.

Speaker 7 (01:01:50):
I mean, has your parent, has your power, your footwork,
your speed, has everything carried up despite despite the weight game,
every everything flows with right, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Like Okay, like I said, just because you dang a
little weight doesn't mean that, you know, you're slower. People
get faster when they uh get bigger and more explupsive,
punch a little harder, things like that. So I'm not
worried about you know, uh f speeder hand speed or
anything like that. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
But you also didn't have to go through that big
weight cut to come all the way down to pussibly
forty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Because you know, and I was telling.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
People, I said, man, they said man using the ring
wrestling with Bud, I say that little mofo strong now hey,
you saw hey, I say, you saw how you had
you huffing at puppet. So don't don't let the side
fool you. I know you say, Man, he only wants No.
He wasn't won forty seven that day, he said, said

(01:02:45):
that day. I don't know what he weighed, but it
wasn't forty seven. Yeah, but do you feel do you
feel do you feel comfortable? Do you feel like that,
like because sometimes you get a little weight, Bud, You're like, damn,
I don't feel comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
You feel comfortable caring this way to around so great?

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
I feel great. You know, I'm just ready. I'm just
ready to go out there and do my thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
All right, Well, Bud, we'll look all this last home.
We gotta wrap on you one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Listen.

Speaker 7 (01:03:16):
I just want to make sure do me a favor.
I know this is not really returned to the fight.
I just want to make sure Andre Water is in.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
The tennis because we got some on the uh the commentary.
Leave him alone. Man, I told you you're gonna whoop
your butt. Man, just make just makes you live, Just
make don't stop you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Not but what we come, we come from it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
But remember you was talking stuff to that that big
dude I forgot his name, the football player James.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah, Deebo. Grab your little ass up. Hey, hey, Bud,
to make sure you there for that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
Hey, what's gon grab you like shning?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Grab me? Nobody. Sorry, I'm just saying, Deep is gonna
grab you like shinning?

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Grab me?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Man, Man, I got this.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Just make sure that when I whooped him, when I
whooped him, just make sure you there and then Andre
next Bud.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I appreciate your time, man, Congratulations, best of luck, and
the fight on Saturday night. We will be in attendance,
and I want to be able to say, you know what,
I was in attendance when Bud Crawford shocked the world.
Good luck and we'll Hey, we'll talk to you after
the fight. I appreciate it, Bud Crawford. It's always great

(01:04:41):
having Bud, I mean anytime around. I mean, I did
the first in of you a couple of months ago,
and he's just like like you've been knowing him. I mean,
he makes you feel like you've been knowing in your
entire life. It's great to have him. Wishing the best
of luck,