BEST OF 2025 Part 1: Ocho CHECKS Cris Carter, LeBron James & Stephen A. Smith feud

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Or you're gonna make Ocho crime Ojo.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
While we'll wait, there's some people that have some words
for you, for me. Chris Carter had some words for
Ojo last week. He said there were points, oh yep,
he said, there were points in Chad's career that you
had to go out there and tell him what to
do because he couldn't get over to save his life.
He couldn't get over it against average guys. Chad Johnson
scored double digit touchdowns one time, and it's eleven years.

(00:37):
I think I scored double digit touchdowns six times. Scored
in the football is the number one player at the receiver. No,
I was not a burner. I read four to six
four six five, but can do it every single day,
can do it for four quarters and the consistent at it.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Ocho, you know what that get?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Child?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Please? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I don't I'm just trying to take out before I
have a question, before you even go, what the hell
does that matter? What? What? What? What what does it matter? Okay,
you scored double touchdowns? Okay, cool, you want a cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Right? Okay, have you had a conversation? Have you have you?
Have you had a conversation with CC?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:28):
I don't ain't no, I don't need to have a question,
so right.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I heard Also he said, well, he only had double
digit touchdowns one season, so he's not a Hall of Famer.
But does that mean Julio Jones not a Hall of
Famer either? Because Julio Jones only had double d touchdowns
one season? You have?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
You have dumb?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You have dumbn that sounds yeah. Sometimes I listen to
things and and and everyone's situation is different, you know,
everyone's situation different. I mean, so stuff like that, I
paid no mind because everything is predicated off numbers and
based on what they did. So other people's situations were different.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Obviously where I was, I did the best I could.
But the cars I was dealt and I did one
hell of a goddamn job. I don't care about what
you did. I don't care not about your numbers. It
don't make it, don't make me none. Why is my
name even being brought up?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's what I was That's what I'm trying to figure out.
I don't know why it was brought up. I don't cause,
like I said, O yo me, I don't really listen
to anybody else's podcast. I got enough thing to try to,
you know, to try to make our podcast better than
what it is, and I got so I'm trying to
get gassed, and I'm going with the booker's like, Okay,
who do you think we should get? Blah blah blah.

(02:39):
So I don't really have time to pay attention. But
it just kept popping up, not only on it kept
popping up on Twitter, and then I saw it on
the internet and I'm like, okay, what brought this about?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I said, Did O Joe say something about him? Or what?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
What?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
For one?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know, I don't talk about people.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, we definitely don't talk about people that do what
we do.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Never and you know, I don't talk about about nobody,
you know. But you know, congratulations and everything he said, Happy,
happy for you Chris Card and your double digit touchdowns
and and your Hall of Fame and all that other
good stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I love you.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
I wish you con continue success and whatever it is
you got going on. Baby, I know what we're doing
over here though I know, I know, I know, I
know where I'm going.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm going. Maybe he wanted you to respond, and I
did respond.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I just said I love him. No, but I'm saying
I thought. I mean, I think maybe he wanted you
to respond in a different way, and I got First
of all, you got kids, I got kids, I got grandkids.
I'm not finna go look what we did we did.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
He can't go back and score no more touchdowns. You
can't go back and score no more touchdowns. I can't
scoring over touchdowns were right here.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Hey, hold on, I'm still scoring touchdowns right now.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Oh man, Yes, you're doing that. No, great job o. Man,
I'm still scoring touchdowns in life. He said we played.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
I don't care about that. I'm scoring double double digit
touchdowns right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Sure, come on.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now, you're not seeing You're not You're not hearing where.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm coming from. I hear what you said. I know,
I know.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
But that's my thing is that sometimes we get caught
up and talk about what we used to do.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
We all what you're doing now, talk to me what
you're doing now?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
We were all great at once upon a time in
our own right, Okay, you know you.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Did what you did? I think CC played sixteen seasons?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
How many?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
How many played? Sixteen?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
How many I played?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I don't know? Hell you played? I think you played
level or twelve? Did you elevel? How many?

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Ay? I played? Eleven? He played sixteen?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
How many?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
How many y'alls you got?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Man? Look here, I'm just asking.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm just trying. I'm trying to get it better. Understand
how many yards you got?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't ask ask ask how many yards does a
CC have? But okay, the chance said CC snapped because
he was pissed at Ojo for saying that he could
beat Travis in a one on matchup ten out of
ten times.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Why is he worry about?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
We just be joking when we say stuff. Man, it
ain't that sad.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Oh he knew that. He knew that because I do
the same thing with everybody.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
He just you do you just play as some I said, Ojo,
can you not challenge everybody that come on here?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
You everybody that come on here can get that work?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
He hit me and travisc.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Kicked below fourteen thousand yards. He had thirteen thousand, eight
hundred and ninety nine yards.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
So he played fifteen season sixteen, I think sixteen, and
he got well thirteen thousand yards almost fourteen thousand. Okay,
so he plays fifteen sixteen, he only got three thousand
more yards of me and played five more season I
had eleven. I guess yeah, Okay, okay, I'm just trying
to get a better understanding on why. Okay, cool anyway,

(06:10):
But like I was saying, anybody that come on this show, uh,
I had the utmost confidence in my ability and being
able to do any and everything. That's something that a
lot of people in this world lack. Even if you
feel you can't do it, you have to fear you can.
Because everything starts up here in the mind. So everybody
that comes up here, regards to what sports they player,
whatever it is that they do, I feel I can

(06:31):
beat them. And if you feel, if you fear you
can beat me doing at what you do best, whatever
it may be, you're gonna have to show me.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
You're gonna have to show me.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Matter of fact, Chris Carter, I'll lock Chris Carter ass
up right now about what he did.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
He's sixty, what that means?

Speaker 4 (06:52):
He talking like he still got it?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Get out here, get on the field, line it up
with you. I'll lock your ass up too. He man,
Travis Hanod.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
We got a pose, that's what we got. So we
breathe it.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
We walk in, We get up out of bed with
ad our right mind, blood running warm about veins.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait
a minute. On See, this is the thing about it.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
One thing about the wide receiver camp, the workshop that I.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Just had is I'm not just talking.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I'm not just saying what it should look like. Uncle,
I'm not there with McLees and my shoes on what
out there running full speed.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I still got it. You hit me. So it's one thing.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Once you go back in that structuring environment, you know
with the exit and nose, and you have a receiver
coach that actually never played, never really played the game.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
They just know the game based on paper and what
it should look like.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Like, I'm not there running the rout with you. I'm
not only just I'm not telling you what it should
look like. I can actually display it and show you. Boy,
this is this is Picasso.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, I'll say this love. I've known CC a long time.
His brother and I used to hang wet to the
super Bowls and stuff. I would just say this cc
no when the man joke it. It wasn't necessarily now ce.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
See, I love you, baby, but putting them clease on,
put them clease on. I'm gonna show you doubleged to touchdown.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I put these two hands in your chest. Boy, you
wonna catch shit.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Lebron James went on the Pat McAfee sere today, nearly
three weeks after confronting steven A had a basketball game.
Ron broke his silence on the incident's referring to the
fallout as a Taylor Swift Tour run for steven A
to be started. Excuse me overcoment steven A made regarding Bronnie.
I initially wasn't gonna say anything. I wasn't gonna talk

(08:33):
about it. We didn't talk about it. Y'all didn't hear
anything from me for about the cent or three weeks ago.
But now Lebron has went on P Matt and we
have to talk about it now. Lebron said he hasn't
been too happy with how stephen A has reacted to
the situation.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
He's on a Taylor Run Swift tour right now.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
It started off with I didn't want to address it,
but since the video came out, I feed it. I
feel this is Lebron talking. I need to address it.
He completely the.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Whole point, the whole point.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Never would I allow people to talk, not allow people
to talk about his sport and criticize players about what
they do. This is your job to criticize or to
a position where that a guy's not performing.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
You know, that's all a part of the game. But
when you take it and you.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Get personal with it, it's not my job to not
only protect my damn household, but protect the players. He's
gonna be smiling ear to ear when this comes out
talking about it, because I know he's gonna be happy
as hell. Me. I wish stephen they would just left
it alone once he addressed it. Once it happened the

(09:41):
first time address it. This is what happened. He came
over to me, said what he said. I want to
address it now, and I'm gonna be done with it
because as my Grandma's just say, boy stirring up old ish.
It still smells. So every time every time stephen A
talks about it, reached it, it stirs it up again.

(10:04):
And look, I see both sides of I see both
sides of the equation, but at stephen they just need
to let it go. He needs to let it go.
And now you're like, well, if he hit it, I
don't think Lebron was coming to hit you. Lebron was
coming to tell you. Bro just stopped talking about my son,
he said, because you said, as a father, now you
making it personal. You're making it personal because now you're part.

(10:28):
You're making it seems And this is how Lebron I think,
took it. You making it seem that I'm not a
good father, that I'm not putting myself and putting my
son in a position to be successful.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And so you're like, you're pushing this. And so Lebron
took it a certain way.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And am I surprise Lebron responded the way he did
so publicly because Lebron is a very private person. He
might have an issue with someone and you will never
know what you will never know it. So and so
for him to do that at a game, and it
wasn't after the game, it wasn't before the game. It

(11:05):
was the third quarter, dur the time out lets you
know how upset he was at stephen A and what
Steven had been saying. But at this point in time,
I understand Lebron. They asked Lebron about this. But if
I'm Stephen A, Hey, guys, I've already addressed that. He
said what he said. I understood his point. I said

(11:26):
what I said. Now it's time to move on. Look,
it's not gonna stop me from talking about Lebron James
the basketball player on the court, but the incident. I
feel that we've talked about it at nauseum. I feel
we've talked about it enough and now it's time to
move on. That's what I wish Steven they would do.
But like he said, I mean, look, I get it.

(11:48):
That's Lebron James. It's the biggest name in pro North
American sport. And when you mentioned his name, good batter
and different people don't want to click and here what
you have to say about it. But the one thing
I know about this guy, and I know him a
little bit, I don't know him as well as a
lot of people do.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
That man loves his family. He's gonna protect his family now.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Always, always. And I think when you think about it
and you go back to the way things things happen
with Lebron actually addressing stephen A courtside is well, what
stephen A said obviously was said publicly on a public
on a public forum on TV, so he addressed it
the same the exact same way publicly courtside in the

(12:30):
middle of a game. Yes, yes, as as as a father,
you know, and like stephen A said, he understood where
Lebron was coming from. Knowing stephen A, I think in
the individual that he is, Lebron said what he had
to say today. I'm sure stephen A is going to
respond to that because he did.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Think about any time anyone says anything to or about
stephen A, he's.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Going to have an answer to whatever is being said.
That's just him, and it's it's always him. I know
you would like him to leave it alone, but I
don't think that's that.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's not how it's gonna go. The only thing I
would have said, steven A.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Look, I know people are gonna like, man, Lebron should
have stole on you, Lebron should have did this.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
They just talking stephen and men, you saying man, you
about I'm about to be fifty seven, You're about to
be fifty eight, but not not even your you ain't
gonna fight nobody.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Lebron wasn't gonna swing on you, and you weren't gonna
look and he Lebron wasn't gonna swing on you, so
there would have been no need for you to swing
on him. I'm glad you guys stood there and y'all talking.
Look he said what he said. You seem to be
receptive at the time of it. You undersee me, and
you said you understood because he was speaking to you
as a father and not Lebron James the basketball player.

(13:44):
And you seemingly you said you understood that. Let it
go now, Yeah, let it go now. Look look, I
mean I've had is shoes. I remember had a conversation
with Kevin Durant when he first got created the Phoenix
U U and I walked into the hotel.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I was like, damn KG and he said, oh, let
me holler at you right quick. I said, what's up?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Okay, you know it's all you know. I'm like, damn,
I ain't get no dab dab's holler at you right quick.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
He said, Man, what it is? You got beef? You
don't like me or something? I said, Now, why you
say that? He said, Man, the way you talk.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I said, KD. Bro, I'm passionate. I say, any any
topic that we discussed on that show, I'm very very passionate.
I spent a lot of time researching it, and I'm
very very careful to what I say. I said, Kad,
it ain't about no like or dislike. I said, I
don't know you personally. All I talk about is what
you do on the court.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Whatever you may or may not do off the court,
I don't give a damn right. I said, you can
ask your mom. I've had I've talked to your mom
at nauseam or hughs to come on the show. I've
seen that event. I said, kat ain't no like or dislike,
I said, I'm just passionate about topic.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I said, I ain't got no I don't dislike anybody
because I don't know anybody to dislike them. It's not
like like me and Oh when when I used to
hang out with Oh Oh, Charles Oakley used to run
on the track with us, used to come to the
gym and work out with me. Okay, I used to
go out to Houston's. That's if that was his favorite restaurant.

(15:18):
The N word always got the cheese toast. Me and
Oak had a have a relationship. I put on a
phoney call. Oh, I said, I don't know any of
these current players like that. I said, but I'm just
passionate about topics. I said, Bro, I ain't no like
or dislike. I said, but if I probably didn't let
if I didn't like you, you know it right? He's

(15:41):
all right, he said, Man, I just he said, I
just you know, I said, cool, Bro, I said, I
ain't got no problem with you, I said, anytime he
say here, give me your phone with exhange numbers.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Left it at that. He saw.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I was at the game the other uh last year,
A couple of years ago. I took my daughter to
the first one.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
What is my bit this now?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I was two years ago. But anyway, Yeah, I had
to talk to Hey, talk to him on the bend,
laughing talk. I ain't got no problem with nobody on
YOE and and I'm not trying to go for bad
or nothing like that. But that ain't how I am.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I think when guys see me, they know I ain't
ain't all about that, man, I'm just I'm just cool.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I just want to buy have a good old time.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
But like I said, I would I appreciate instead of him,
like you know, bal on Twitter and and and and
the end of that, trying to blow it up. Hey,
somebody got a problem with me? Just hey, come to me, right,
just coming to me. I ain't got no problem. I
talked to anybody, anybody anywhere about anything.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
You got a problem with what I said? Uh, while
you said that, Sean, why you said that? Right? Hey?
This is why said This is why I said that, right?
And you know what I do. Like though, I'm not
sure how the people.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I'm not sure how the people in the chat field,
but I enjoyed when you talk about Kevin Durant, Uh,
players of that magnitude, elite players. I mean, obviously we
talked about one of the greatest scores of all time.
I of the way Kevin Durant used the social media.
I love the way he's so accessible to the people
to be the star that he is.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Will Lebron and allow.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Himself to be vulnerable we Lebron did today, I've never
seen Lebron do before what he did on the Pat
McAfee show, sitting there for an hour straight and actually
just being vulnerable talking about everything. I really really enjoyed
that because there's some from Lebron that we've never that
obviously I've never seen before, and I really really enjoyed that.
And I wish more superstar elite athletes would do that,

(17:32):
be a little bit more open, be a little bit
more accessible, And I mean, it was just enjoyable. It
was enjoyable to see him outside that that normal setting
of of not being not being viewed as the king.
If that, if that makes.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Sense, well, most of the great players are gonna be
guarded because they're gonna they're gonna only gonna give you
so much. They're gonna allow you to see so much
of what they want you to see. If you look
at all the great players, they've always been very very guarded.
They're not gonna totally let you inside, especially why they're
a current player. Sante Samuel saw the clips of us

(18:12):
debating him in Prime, and he responded to us, O, Joe,
that's your problem, pimp. You're also brainwashed at Shannon Sharp,
I'm not worried about what everyone proceeds to be true,
like yourself, I stand on facts. You have yet to
talk about the facts. You could easily be manipulated, just
like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't
debate me big facts. Shannon Sharp, Safety has a short,

(18:35):
Safety has the short middle. Nobody's in the deep but
me and the receiver. You don't know the truth, pimp.
You just talking at you with no facts. Let's talk
or you scared like everyone else.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Bro, Hey, I ain't even know your answers.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
You're like, Okay, I like that. I like that. Huh y'all,
Hey listen, we can have a club right listen to me, No,
stay with me club dB edition, a good conversation, PowerPoint
presentation style film up there to support each of your

(19:12):
your opinions and facts that you might have no opinion.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
He's not time the baby. Let me let me finish, Baby,
let me finish.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm just listen, I'm I'm I'm giving you the ultimate
content right now, something that's never been done before, a
format that's never been done before. Two players, actually three,
because you're part of a two three plays. They got
prime with Sonney Samuels and you. You one that loves
a breakdown film. He's also one that loves a breakdown film.
Now just picture this you talk about you you think

(19:40):
kat William did a whole bunch of numbers, which you
think your son sitt down, you know, going over. Okay,
you want to prove it, prove it, dieing the scot
don't lie. I'm just I'm just throwing the id out
there because the format has never been done before.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I've given I've given coach time and myself have given
a tante Samuel more tension since he's been retired than
he's ever gotten. After tonight, I'm done with this. There's
nothing to debate. There is nobody. There's no one gonna say.
He's in the realm of Time. He's in the realm

(20:16):
of Darrel Reevers. He's in the realm of Rod Woodson
or a Charles Woodson or a Darryl Green or a
Male Blunt.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I don't give a damn what he says about the film.
He played, he played more game, he played more. Look, bro,
you had an unbelievable career. Congratulations, You're just not Time.
You're not Time, You're not Reevers. You're hold on find
out did he make an All Decade team? Because Time

(20:47):
made All decade and he's one of the one hundred
greatest players of all time. Let's see his resume. Let's
see his body at work. I complimented, I said time,
don't believe it wasted motion, the team step worked well
for Sante. I gave him a compliment. Let's see his resume.

(21:18):
So he didn't make all decades? Four time Pro Bowler,
one time All Pro? How many times? How many Pro
Bowls a time?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Make?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
How many all teams? Yes, oh, same number of Super Bowls?
But one guy was a defensive Player of the year.
One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power?
How many dvs can say swung the balance of power?
He go to one team to keep the other team

(21:53):
from going. He goes to the other team and keep
that team from going. Brou You had an unbelievable career,
you went to a Pro bow you an All Pro.
You're not Time, and there's no and that's not as knob.
It's okay, it's okay, But I don't know why you're

(22:14):
getting mad at me.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I tell you what.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Find Go find a gym, Go find a coach, Go
find a player that says a Sante Samuel is the
equivalent or better than Time. That's all you gotta do. Hell,
your son won't say you better than Time and he
a jor. Let's be real, man, you coming, I'm the
wrong one.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
You what you're doing? Where you going?

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I got that.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I don't know what you're talking about, bro, I don't
know what you're talking about. I complimented you. I said
you had an outstanding career. I say the tea step
served you well. I just said you weren't Time. That's okay.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
If somebody says, you know what, Shannon, you had an
unbelievable career. Shannon.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
You went the eight Pro Bowl, your first team All Pro,
You're an All decade player, You're in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
But you ain't Gronk.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Okay, you ain't Travis Kelsey Okay, but you ain't gonna
go no other tight end. And me talking about you
ain't that. If you want to say Gromp, if you
want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you not that. I ain't
finna fight you. But you ain't gonna go no more.
You ain't gonna go no more because when I left,

(23:38):
every record that a tighten could have, I had it,
catch it yards, touchdown, most yards of the game.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Hey, so hold on, I just now that you mentioned that,
when when it comes when we factoring the numbers and statistics,
does that play any factor in Assautan's case or it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
He had more, he had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions.
How many pig sixty did he have?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
All I know is when I left the game, I
had every record that a tight end could possibly have.
Ain't nobody had them but me. Now that them came
along and broke him. Gonzo broke him, and Gaze did this,
and and Gronk and this and that.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I don't know why, he madded me. I gave him
a compliment. Yeah, I said he had an outstanding career.
I said the t step for him served him well.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I like the convo, I like the dialogue.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I would I would love.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
I would love, especially for not the casual fan, but
for people that are fans of the game. I wish
we could die a little bit more. Obviously not here
on the show.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I'm just asking you find the general manager, find the
head coach, find the receiver, because he.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Talking about he talking like he was that he might.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I guarantee you when you find somebody that say, hell
top ten a top ten cornerback if we go back
and study history, top ten corner. So we got Time,
we got Reeves, we got Mail Blunt, we got Rod Woodson,
we got Daryl Green, we got a Nils Williams, we
got Mail Blunt.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay, that's seven right there. Where are we?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Where are we going to put him in the list
of all times and the history of the NFL As
he's cracking the top ten? That's your I mean, that's

(25:36):
your homeboy heron Florida. I want you to tell me,
you tell me what would you put him? Now?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Anywhere? I'm asking you. I just named seven guys. Which
one of those seven guys?

Speaker 3 (25:47):
You?

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Are you putting him in front of?

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
You heard me?

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Y'all listen, I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey? You put him in
front of Champ?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
You ain't answered the question?

Speaker 5 (26:02):
Are you putting him in front of Champ Jeremy? I'm listening, Yeah,
where would you put him? I asked you already, I
asked you the question.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yes. Now I'm asking you, where do you rank it?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I just asked this battle simple question. I gave him
seven eight names he talking about? Well, would I rank
it as you get, you're gonna probably bump into it.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Hold on, time, hey, hold on, It don't matter who
I bump into.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Okay, well you got in front of me.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
But he addressed you. Where are you asking me the question?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
He addressed you?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
So I'm asking you what are you? I already said it?
Are you putting? He's not in front of Time, He's
not in front of Reevers. He's not in front of
Wad Woodson. He's not in front of Charles Woodson. He's
not in front of Mail Blunt. He's not in front
of Niels Williams. He's not in front of Champ Bailey.
That's seven. Okay, that's seven guys. Okay, now, now you
who is he in front of? Is he top ten

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all time into history? Dick Knight, Trey Lane, Amil Tunnel.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Is here.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
A hey uh uh, I'm just asking he got all
these facts? Who is he in front of? I'll tell
you what. Who is he in front of of the
list that I just named?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Now you you you you name you name all you lord,
you name all.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Time like all time?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
He talking like he all time. Great, that's the problem.
Nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good
we're talking about he talking about how did you talking about?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
All time great? The guy that I list, he's at
the front of the line.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Time Hell Blunt Defensive Player the Year, Charles Woodson Defensive
Player to the Year, Rod Woodson Defensive Player of the Year.
There are a lot of guys, but number two one
is at the front of the line. He talking like
he in that group. They're a group. Look, we go
into a room in the Hall of Fame. Okay, we

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going to a room. We all into a room, but
there are certain guys at certain tables were in the room,
but we're not at that table. He not even in
the room. He on the outside. Hey, y'all know I
played right. Yeah, but this for big dog. Keep it

(28:41):
a stack. So I want chat, y'all tell me of
the guys that I listen, who he better than. I
ain't mentioned Pat p I ain't Richard Mitchell Sherman yet.
I I just gave y'all a couple of names. I
want you to tell me who he better than than
the list I listed who y'all putting them in front
of Chat y'all. Put him in front of Dion, y'all

(29:04):
put him in front of revers. Y'all put him in
front of Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson. H y'all putting him
in front of Male Blunt? Who are y'all putting Champ Bailey?
Who are y'all putting him in front of Santa Samuel?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Who?

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Hollo. I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I'm trying to see.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I'm trying to see what the chat talking about.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, I want no, I want you to see what
the chat talking about. You playing against it? What you're
talking about. You played against Charles Woodson, you played against
Pat p, you played against Shanan. Who are you putting
him in front of?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I ain't playing against Sharon? But you know you know
I did. I did. I didn't. I didn't a thing.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Everywhere I went, you hit me. It was like it
was like Halloween. If I knock on the door, I'm
coming to get some candy.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I'm asking you a simple question. Of the guys that
were mentioned, who is he in front of?

Speaker 3 (30:02):
And I wouldn't say in front of because you mentioned
you know the greats, But he has he has the
numbers to be in the room. I know I know
that much. And you base everything off numbers when you
talk about let me, let me finish before you say anything.
When you talk about mj in comparison to Michael Jordan,
when it comes to the base in any other sport,
we always bring up the numbers, but all of a sudden,

(30:24):
the numbers are ignored when it comes now talking about.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
In comparison and he got pros got oh no, the
dude got four Pro Bowls.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Listen to me.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
I'm not finished.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Okay, but again, now we we understand. We we understand.
But when we do a comparison based on greatness, you.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Know, we'll tell you what. Guess what everything former coach?
Your former coach had three Pro Bowls and sixty two picks.
You taking Dick lebo.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
What you know about? Hey, what do you know about both?
What you know about? You just told me? Numbers? Yeah,
I mean that, listen, That's what everything is based off of,
right yo, Okay, numbers.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Okay, let's go all pros, let's go Pro bowls, let's
go all decades, let's go defensive player of the year.
That's part of numbers. Also, just not picks, okay, Okay,
See I look.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
At it like this.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
What have you done?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Okay, I see what you're doing, y'all.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I thought the job of a corner is to take
away more than you give up.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's a great combo.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who
is he better there than the list I named? Now
we're gonna have, guess what, let's have the conversation. Hopefully,
Lord spare of both of our lives, we're able to
have a conversation another ten to fifteen years. Will I'm
gonna I'm gonna need to your gold jack on his
back because all the guys that I mentioned I hate.

(32:03):
Jalen Ramsey's gonna be coming up, Richard Sherman's gonna be
coming up. Pat P's gonna be coming up. You see
what he trying to do. Oh, it's all about marketing, bro.
You played on the Patriots, Ty Law played on the Patriots.
Ty Long got a red jacket and a gold jacket.
So don't do that bull job about marketing if you
who was on TV more than the Patriots?

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Oh Joe oh, during during that during that, during that time,
who yeah, Oh so.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Nine's marketing.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Time. Ain't no marketing, bro? Yeah, he marketed himself to
know how to parlay that. But that man on the field,
you better go check them taps.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Either you can or you can't.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
That's a great conversation, Bro, that's a that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Now, Oh.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Wyman Brown, Mike Haynes. Mike Haynes got nine, like nine
Pro bowls. You better go check.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
That's a great conlo.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Let me grab me with Sante. Go ahead, Bro, Santell.
You have a great career.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, you good player. You just all I said you
weren't time and you had to get personal. I don't know,
I don't know why. I mean, if you wanted to
come on nightcap to get to get your name out there.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
You could have did that.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Hey hey, hey, listen, that is a great combo.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Brother, you hear me.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's a great what's a great combo? This one?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
I like this. I just obviously it's not me as
the individual, but I'm just saying that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Prime. Is he better than Stefan Gilmore?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
At some point chat, don't y'all want you to chime
in instead of just talking about this is a great combo?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
You say nothing. Listen to you. This is a nightcapo.
We don't miss with each other. We go back and forth.
I mean chiming it all.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I'm in chiying it on. I'm listening to you.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
He listened to me. He and dressed.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
He addressed Shannon Sharp. He's in a lone message to
Shannon Sharp. So I'm just listening.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
What where did he addressed Shannon Sharp? What was Shannon
Sharp speaking on?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
What?

Speaker 1 (34:16):
On him?

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Night cap? Night cap? UK and Ocho right?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
So is your is your job to answer back?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I get it chat y'all see o Cho don't want
to chime in heath of Florida. Ocho might bump into it.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Y'all know me. I'll give a damn whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
What he heard, the problem, the thing whatever Shannon Sharp
say on night Cap Shannon Sharp with if he be
bumped into, said player, Shannon Sharp is mad enough to
stand on that bro.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
You not tying?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
You not Charles Woodson, You not Rod Woodson, You not
Darrell Reevers, You not Mail Blunt, You not Mike Haynes,
You not Dale Green, you not facts. Now of the
ten guys that I name, mind the coach, find the
receiver that said Sante Samuel is better than any of

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those guys.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
See the way, the way, the way you make it
sound oh so you you you being mean?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Oh Yoe?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
And you and you you said you yeah. How you
make it sound You make it sound like like Buddy
was trash or something.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I didn't say he was trash the way I'm.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Just saying, the way you talking like you acting like
we just sitting here talking about so I'm just some
old bum we I'm just I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh Joe, who could I say? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I mean, listen, I played the game. Listen, I played
the right Stay with me, Stay with me, stay with
me real quick. I played the game on the other
side of the ball. So I know I played against Prime.
I played against them. I have an understand them both
and how good they were, what they hold on great
as Prime was, and how good Zunt was. So it's

(36:07):
hard for me to sit here and say, you know
the way you're doing. When I saw with my own eyes,
I understand how great Prime is. But then I know
what that young boy was doing as well.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
When he was playing.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
All I said I said he was good. I said
he was a very good player, had an unbelievable career.
He used the technique, he used the technique that time
doesn't approve of two things can be true, Yes, sir, Okay,

(36:46):
some guys like to play press and open the gate.
Some guys like the press and put hands. Whatever technique
works for you. But he was talking as if he
was the equivalent because he posted his stats in time Stats,
saying look at our stats, right, So he's posting those
stats as if he's the equivalent, and I said he's not.

(37:11):
I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said
he went the Pro Bowls. I think he was an
All pro. I know he won Super Bowls in New England.
That's what I said, Right. He took offense that I
didn't co sign him. I don't need no marketing. I
don't need to co sign. I think everybody's known. I

(37:32):
didn't have an opportunity to critique Time when he played
when he went back for those two years, because he
was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game. Okay,
that's fine, But I've never had a problem critiquing any player.
I critique Tom Brady, Hayton, Manny, you name a player,

(37:52):
Ray Lewis, Receivers, T Randy. I've never had a problem
critiquing because I'm basing it on my knock, intimate knowledge
of the game and film study. When I was at CBS,
I would watch film. How many times when I was
at CBS or Fox? When you ever heard a guy
called tell about shanty shop? Don't know what the hell

(38:13):
he talking about?

Speaker 3 (38:15):
No, any what happened?

Speaker 2 (38:17):
See what y'all try to do? Well, you're doing this.
That's not what I said. No, No, I've never said
I've never seen. The difference is skip tried to say.
I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said
Tom Brady wasn't playing well. Why would I, as a
tight end, compare myself to a quarterback?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Okay, right, right, right, I would need to compare.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Myself to grump, to Kelsey or a tight end. And
that's the only way you can get an equivalent.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I said.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I said, yeah, Asante had a great career, Pro Bowl,
Super bowls now guy like said, you want to say, Shannon,
you ain't trash, you ain't grown.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
You're right, You're right, you got me, right, you got me.
But I'm I'm just confused. But look, bro, you I
gave Almeley.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I gave you fifteen minutes of fame, fame that you
never would have got had you not mentioned me or time?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Enjoy it?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Now go back to your solitary life. Nobody's gonna win.
Were the last I tell you? What about Joe? When
was the last time prior to last night, when was
the last time you heard somebody? Minchell Sante Samuel, Take
you time, I'm gonna get me. I'm gonna get me

(39:50):
some water. Take your time, hey, chat, y'all keep on.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Your interested hey anyway, chat, we're back on the lo
upset his love set. Other than that, it's a great conversation.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I like the dialogue, I like the back and forth.
I like players. Also, we always talk about having a belief,
having not only a belief in what you can do
and what you've already done, and bringing it to the forefront,
bringing to the forefront, and supporting what it is you've
done in comparison to someone else who is also great.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
And that's okay.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Now, a lot of people won't see it that way
as you can see it, including one thing I've always
do see is.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
If you were bad at what you do, then I
will always.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Come out and say that. But I played against both,
and I understand how good both were. I understand how
great prime was obviously catching him on the tail end
of his career and obviously playing against Sante doing his
prime and understanding how good he was, how much of
a student of the game he was. And what I'm
not going to do is diminish what I was able
to see for years while I was playingunderstanding watching film

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here and understand how good he was and how savvy
was technically, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
So it's different coming from someone that.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Actually played on the opposite side and understand how good
he was, you know, So it's hard to see.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
It to say, oh, he'd not be whoa whoahoa.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I had to go against this. I had to go
against that for years, So it's different. It's different, you know,
especially and a lot of a lot of people in
the chat of some of the comments on Twitter, on
x whatever it may be, their feelings are always different
as well, because it's based off who you know and

(41:35):
what they've done.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Hey, that was good.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I just asked you a simple question. Proud to last
night and today. When was the last time you heard
somebody mentioned a Sante Samuel.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
I'm supposed to know. I'll be on Nightcap.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Every time a time they break a record, who record
they see to there the most one hundred and fifty
yard games, the more lost. This the most that every
Sunday in the NFL season on the tight end does something.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Who name is up there? When they have them names?
He just passed this one. Who name is also up there?
Ocho Ocho, don't worry.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
About Ojo, Hey, Chad all I try to do I
try to, you know, try to go back and forth.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
But O Joe, you know O chose like, hey.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
We did, we did go back and forth.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
That was That was a good one.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Though, Now no you you laughing.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I'm saying, for real, that was a good one. I
don't that was a That was a good one.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Joe cry.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
We gotta start to talk about what happened. Not only
yesterday last night, O Joe, you and I were at
lambeau Field for the first round of the draft, but
today rounds two and three has passed, and your doors
Sanders hasn't been selected. One hundred and two picks. Five
quarterbacks elected. Cam Ward. Cam Ward went number one overall.

(43:07):
No surprise there. We knew that once they had he
had his workout, they skepp They canceled all other official
visits that told me everything I needed to know. Boom now,
Jackson Dark, Tyler Shuck, Jaylen Milroe, Dylan Gabriel. Now for
for context, I want to provide contacts. Oh Joe, Yeah,

(43:29):
what we'd like to do here? Daniel Jeremiah has Shardure
the second ranked quarterback. Four days ago, cam Ward was
the eighth overall best player. Shaduur was the twentieth best
overall player, Jackson Dark the thirty sixth overall best player,
Tyler Shuck seventy fifth overall best player, Jalen Miroe eighty sixth.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Dylan Gabriel won forty eight. Mel Kiper Junior.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
The Guru just four days ago had Shaduur ranked over
cam Ward. He had shr Door as the fifth best player,
cam Ward as the sixth best player. Jackson Dart at
the twenty eight the best player, Tyler Shook forty six.
Pro Football Focus had him second behind cam Ward just
yesterday morning, but we saw.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Today cam Ward. Cam Ward went first.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
The Giants traded back into the first round on show
to take Jackson Dart at twenty fifth. Tyler Shook went
forty to the Saints, and we thought there Shoulder could
possibly be nine go nine to the Saints.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Bear.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Nope, they take Tyler shuk Jaln Milroe ninety second overall
to the Seattle Seahawks and Dylan Gabriel ninety fourth to
the Browns. Now, we were there, we're talking about well,
Shador Arm. You know you're outside in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Not don't start that shit.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
No, no, no, no, I'm just saying to contact. Give
me sax. I'm gonna tell you. Let me give me
a second on Shoe.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Baltimore outside Pittsburgh, got Cincinnati, Cleveland. I don't see what
Dylan Gabriel arm is any stronger than your doors.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I could be wrong. I could be I could be
but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And I know I'm gonna turn it over to you,
oh Joe, because I know Joe got questions. I'm gonna
turn over to you. I will say this before I
do with Yoe. In all my years, and I go
back to like really following the draft and understanding where
players are going getting drafted. Back in eighty seven and
almost forty years, I've never seen anything.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Like this, Uncle, I've never seen nothing like this myself. Obviously.
I know I only played a short time, but I've
been around long enough to know obviously the year that
the eleven twelve years I did play, and all the
time i've been i've been retired and enjoying the game
and watching it from afar and understanding how player, how
good players are regards to what scouts may say, the

(45:50):
iron the sky doesn't lie. I wash your door play
from high school to college at Jackson State to what
he was able to do at Colorado. I want everybody
to understand that you're never Biggert in the program. You'll
never be bigger than the program, no matter who you are,

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and they will show you.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
They will always.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Remind you at any given time if at any point
you think you are bigger than the program.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
And that is all we seeing.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
That's all we're seeing right now, Joe, that is always
seeing right now regards to who you are. There are
some things I think Prime might have said. I don't
want to quote it, but he will where he said it, similar.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
To there's some places I don't want to go. We're
not going to go.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
What Archie Manning said when it came to Eli. Same thing,
no different anyway. I got something today I really want
to read chat. I want you to listen to me
real quick. I'm not here to stir up. I'm happy
for everybody that got drafted. I want you to listen
to something that was sent that was sent to me
on Instagram chat. Y'all stay with me real quick and

(46:55):
just listen to me very very closely. What we're winnings.
This sin, once again is the machinery of a system
that is never quite known what to do with a
free black man, much less than a free black family.
The NFL, with all this pageantry and power, finds itself uncomfortable,
even threatened when it likes to the Sanders family walk

(47:18):
into a room, not asking for a seat at the table,
but daring to bring their own dion shador. This family
has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out
for them, and so the machine does what it has
always done. It seeks to diminish the distort, to remind
them and us that there are still a place for

(47:40):
black folk and is not at the head of the table.
But the tragedy, you see, it is not in their
refusal to bow, but it is in the nation sphere
of black excellence unchained. The fear that has always been
the real danger, not the power of our stride, but
the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid and

(48:01):
unapologetically ourselves.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, I was talking. I was talking to my sister.
She said, well, you thank your door. I said, Libby,
I'm gonna be honest with you. If you don't go
in the second round, I think he might slide out
of the third.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Unks.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
All the games, it's all the game.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Look, oh, Joe, your draft, your draft story.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
My brother's draft story was a lot different than mine.
My brother didn't have to wait long. First round, seventh pick,
boot be gone on a plane, on the plane, the
Green Bay boom you second round?

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Hey, hold with with with red flags, with with with
with character issues?

Speaker 1 (48:47):
School to school, bounce from over and over? Why do
you go here? Why do you go here?

Speaker 6 (48:53):
Bad?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Still? Second round? Were taking a chance on them. There
is no off the field issues. What you do, no issues?
Know nothing.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Oh he's arrogant.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Oh he's good. Great.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
I have a question, what women, Johnny manziel coy.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Oh give you a battle. Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield?

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Okay, now, now now what I will say when it
comes to college and you watch film, that motherfucker, I'm sorry,
Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield, what they played, what they
were absolutely awesome.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yes, but again, you can't take away what Shad was
able to do.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
At a Den of Colorado team that won one game,
they come back the next year with Shador and win
four and I'm not sure we.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Went five, and then the next year I think they
win nine. Yeah I heard what did I hear you?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't match his game. So,
in other words, he does a lot of talking and
his game is not indicative of the type of bravado
what m hm, hey o O Joe.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
So yeah, question is do y'all even think he'll get
drafted at this point? I mean, what we do?

Speaker 7 (50:04):
We threw three rounds already. Oh lord, have mercy, Joe. Look,
that's when I started thinking about it. I'm like, hold on,
I'm only watching.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I'm trying to see two get drafted. I'm like, hold on,
I'm hoping, I'm hoping.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round because, oh, Joe, Okay,
let me ask you. This team that needed a quarterback,
what do they do they took a quarterback in the
second or the third round? Well, if you already took
a quarterback in the second or third round. What's the
likelihood you're taking a quarterback in the fourth, fifty, sixth,
or seventh round.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
So now you tell Now you're telling me the people
that you did pick in the second and third round
you feel they're better than s Doure. So at what
point did you come on a team as I'm not
even gonna mention anything about free agency.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
What if they prove a point in making way to
the seventh it's possible, Joe, what point.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Are they trying to prove it? Especially at this point, Joe,
I've never seen I've never ever seen anything like this.
I'm not talking about black and white. I ain't talk
about none of that. I'm talking about based on what
I've seen on film with my own eyes, based on.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Compared to other quarterbacks outside of Cam Woard. What are
we looking at.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I'm not a scout, I'm not a GM, but I
do have commonsations. I do understand and know the game.
You're not telling me everybody that has drafted before him?
What are we talking about again? I'm happy for everybody
that got drafted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying we're
not trying to do. We're not trying to do anybody.
We're trying to make light up. We're trying to make

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sense of what we're seeing with your door, because I
think the thing is.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
What, oh, Joe, if there was an injury that we
didn't know about, we saw will will Hire the cornerback
out of what you call him. He had a propensity
when they gave him a scan, they say he has
a high risk.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
For knee injury. So he slid down.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Okay, if there's a red flag that we don't know,
but I don't The guy got great. He was on
the I think the honor roll. I think he had
a great GPA. He's never been in trouble. The numbers
speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy
rated this high with no issues, that's what's puzzling. Look Like,

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I said, O Joe, you and I don't know, excuse
me what those thirty two teams and how they view him.
You know, they say beauty is in the eye of beholder.
You think that's good. I don't think that bad. You
right light red, I like black, you like this, I
like that.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
So I don't know. Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Based on the rankings of all these people that get
paid to do this, and it's their opinion is subjective,
but nobody. I don't think anybody really has your door,
pant cam Wartz, like mel Kiper has your door. Run
as far as quarterback, most everybody had him too, behind

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cam Ward.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
And guys, I mean some guys had Dylan Gabriel uh
when they had the ranked the one hundred and forty
eight best player, mil Road, the eighty six best best player,
Kyler Shilk seventy fifth. Shador almost never got past the
twentieth best player in the draft. He was twentieth on
some people's board. He was the fifth best player on

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some people's board.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
And he's he's a Day three possible.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Well that's it. It's day three. So you get one
to two and then you go, you know, rounds four
through seven.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
I've never seen I've never seen collusion like this before ever.
I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
And you know what it is.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Let's call a spade a spade for those that are watching,
for those that in the chat, I'm not saying there's
anything wrong with those that were drafted.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Before him.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I'm just saying, based on my knowledge of the game
and understanding of football and what I've watched throughout the years,
especially from that specific position. Now, the only thing I
can say, the only red flag for them, it's his
approach to the game and it is confidence. I'm assuming
that they don't like that. But how do you not
want a player to feel the way he feels? How
do you not want a player that believes in himself,

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in his skill set and what he's done and works
his ass off to get to That could be the
only thing. But that can't be a bad thing because
there have been other players that have come before him
that approached the same game but that same demeanor, in
same attitude and belief similar to him.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
So to me, it really makes no sense.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
But again nothing and they will always time and time
remind us in certain instances that you will never be
bigger than the machine or the program. And that's all
this is.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
That's all it comes down to.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
And it could be a It could be a good
thing for him too, you know what I mean, If
he do get an opportunity that chip on his shoulder, man,
you know what, for all the doubters and they say,
is the people who didn't believe in them, the teams
who continue to pass up on him.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
You use that fire and desire when you touch the field, bro,
you know, you let him know what's up. So I
don't know, it could be a blessing to this guy.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, tom Brady, But if people that were tom Brady
went win the sixth round. But tom Brady wasn't as
rated as high as your Door. Tom Brady was a
backup basically his whole career except the last six seven
games of his senior season, right, So that's the difference.
And like I said, tom Brady turned out to be
what tom Brady turned out to be. I had a
very similar story to your Door because people like, well

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if he was that good, why didn't he go to
a D one school?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Well, with my grades, I couldn't. I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I couldn't have got into Juco, the only place I
could get into because there was no there was no
you know, you didn't have to have the same standardized
testing grade to get into a Division two school as
you did a Division one. Because my year old shoe
nineteen eighty six, it would have it. That was the
first year of PROP forty eight, so you had to
make seven hundred. Remember I told you my credit score

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by four. Yeah, that was also my SAT score. Now
they give you a hunter to put your name on
the thing.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I don't know. I might have got that roll, you know, Joe,
I might have left the y'all. I might have left
the y'all for my own name. Joe. Hey, don't want
to do that, now hold me.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
I'm laughing with you because I was a proud when
I went to college too. I didn't have my score,
and uh, you know it was challenging, bro. You know,
we ain't take the SA tea.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
We took the A.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
And you know back then on Joe, you know, I
played the game that I played the game that Friday night,
and then my sister, Yeah, my sister drive me to
Georgia Southern to take that test. They passed out their test,
and I look at that all these students day right,
I'm just sitting there like I don't know nothing on here.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
You know, It's like listen, I ain't even I ain't
even got no business laughing.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I don't even have no busness laughing, because you gotta understand,
I had my I had my red flags and my
character issues going to the league because of my reason
for bouncing around from school to school.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
You got to understand. I grab it from beach eye.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Hell, I ain't even graduate from goddamn high school.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Long time my grave. It's so bad.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Listen, Joe, Joe, don't laugh, Joe sweet for God.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
We family, We family, We get talking.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Man, I got you my dream.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
My dream was I wanted to go to fam you.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
So I'm coming out of high school.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I told my grandma and said, Mama, I wanted to
go down to family, right down and tell Lassie.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
My grandma say, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you.
It's not looking good for you.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I'm gonna give you options on where you might be
able to go, but it definitely a ple to be
fam you.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I ended up.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
I ended up at Langston University, an I a school, obviously.
I'm sure we have some people in the chat from
from Oklahoma ended.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Up at Lankes University. Get there.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
The first semester, I get thrown out for fighting, Joe,
I get I get thrown up a fight, man, I'll
never forget rest is soul. Doctor Ernest Holloway rest in peace.
Ship me back to Miami. I come to my grandma.
I told my grandma what happened. Look, you know my roommate.
I think my roommates stole my my parel, grand money.
My grandma say, listen, baby, I've done all I can

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with you.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
I washed my hands, I got to see you.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I got to sing your to you.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Mom there in La let me see what she could
do with you. That's how I end. That's how I
ended up at.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Santa Monica College nineteen ninety seven with Steve Smith Boom.
That's two years down. So I played with Steve that
first year long. Behold here I go again on not
going to class. I'm thinking, you know what, my skill set,
it's gonna get me through the door man. And people
don't play that. They don't play that out there in
Santa Monica. Oh no, hey, Joe, I'm in. I'm ineligible

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the third year, so I got to sit out the
third year. So that's three years down. I'm at Southwest
doing classes. I'm at West l A doing classes, and
I'm doing classes at Santa Monica just to get my
grades together so I could play.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
In nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
That's four years. I go out there, I get my
stuff together. I have one for one scholarship. I had
two schools off me a full ride, one for one
San Diego State Aztecs and coach Dennis Rickson he was
at Oregon State. Man. I hey, Joe, I squeezed through the.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Crack I got.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
I got to Oregon State. Man all I needed, Joe,
I just used to be on the big stage, just
to show them folks, I can play football.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Once I got to Oregon State, man, I play. I
was there four months. I ain't go to nan class.
I ain't go to no classes.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Hey, already know what it was, but it is my
last shot.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
My singular focus was straight football. Hey, Joe, I showed
out at Organ State. That looked what that looked? Four
months I had. I got drafted in the second round.
Despite all my issues and all my troubles, all my
off the field stuff.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
There's me.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
They say, well, h uh uh uh Shanada, you're raised.
Where the rest of them? I say, these they look
at you good. And the ones that's coming to my
ain't gonna look much better. I don't know, oh ya,
I know y'all hoping for this all I got for you?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Hey? My freshman year.

Speaker 7 (59:52):
Hey, look my freshman year in college. Oh, Joe pro forty.
So I couldn't play the first semester. Yeah, as a freshman,
I can go to the games. I gotta see in
the stands. I gotta watch the dude, I gotta wash
my homies, grind out there, you know what I mean.
I can't compete, I'm like, so it built up of
firing me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
So when I did get eligible, I just took it
out on everybody in the sec. You know what I mean.
So yeah, two times.

Speaker 7 (01:00:14):
Sometimes when things get delayed a little bit, you know
you can you can must up some fire to continue.
You can must up some fireer when you get out there,
you can let him know what's up, you know what
I mean. And so for sure that's why when it
goes back to shit door man, uh you know, wherever
he goes, bro, I'm sure he'll be happy. And hopefully
with that chip man, he let him know what's up.
You know, get back in that get back in their laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
You're absolutely right. And the funny thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
About it too, wherever shaudor come, wherever he goes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I love the saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
It's not when you get drafted. It's what you do
once you get there. And absolutely competitor. I understand the
competitor that he is and where he goes whoever, and
where he goes if it's if it's a team that
does and have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his
competitive nature's gonna kick in and there's a chance that
he can beat those quarterbacks out despite whatever odds or

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collusion they have against Dad. When he gets a chance,
he's gonna show him. I know that, just the competitor
in him. He's not gonna he's not gonna. I'm not
gonna hold his head. He's not gonna let it down.
He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door,
and he closed it behind him after playing after after

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they played the game they played these past two days,
man child, please.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And yeah, like I said on you, I went through
something very similar. And I just remember having a conversation
with my brother who came in there that night when
I didn't go in the first three rounds, and I say, man,
I say spank. I went to the East West Rine
game and went to the Blue Gray, I went to
the I went to the Combine I said, man, the
guy that they drafted ain't better than me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I said, they're not better than me. Spank, I said,
I saw up, I see all of them. I said.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I went to the East West Shrine game, and I
was the best receiver there. I said, I will I
said I. I said, all I want is an opportunity.
Give me a give me a helmet and some shoulder pass,
and hey, whoever comes a I'm gonna throw all y'all
ass in the water.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Whoever swim back to shore, that's who. Get it. Yeah?
I like that. I like that's it. And what about
the reports?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
What about the reports? Now this just happened. Multiple players
have done this. He didn't throw at the combine.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah, but he but he threw. But he threw at
his pro dag. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
There have been a lot of guys that don't throw.
Because I want to throw. I want to throw the
guys that's familiar with me. I'm familiar with them, because
it's not like they're gonna break a guy. You're not
gonna bring a guy in on a Sunday. And he
hadn't thrown to those guys. So I wanted, you know, hey,
I want to see how I know how my guys
run routes. They know how I throw the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Boom.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
It's a perfect marriage because I want everybody to look
good and possibly o yo, there might be some guys
if I don't throw with my pro day, if I
don't throw, guess what, this guy's not gonna come to
see them, because everybody's not gonna be a first or
second round pick. Might be some guys get picked up
as a free agent. So I want to cast shot,
cast them any good light. Yeah, I just look, it's

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tough and nothing when you're going through something. Yeah, people
that you're gonna be already a at this point, at
that point in time, Ojo, you ain't really trying to
hear that because you can't see. All I can see
was what's in front of me, because it takes it
takes a special type of a person to see beyond
their circumstances. All I can see is right here, not

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where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be.
Because that's why a lot of people make decisions based
on where they are currently, not where they wish to be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
It's tough. It's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
And I heard what you said, and you know and
like I said, I heard people say, well, I mean
he really extremely confidence, but his game doesn't match the
confidence coach Prime whatever. Look, and I I don't know
if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL
or selected or in a position uh when Prime was there.
So I don't know how I wouldn't. You know, guys

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say I don't. I don't want to make this team's
gonna Oh yo, you and I played this game. We've
covered this game, and we've been around this game a
long time. These teams gonna do what the hell they
want to do. Not even told y'all, y'all, y'all ain't
gonna make a have have this guy quarterback on how
this guy is a coach.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
We gonna do what the ef we want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
They're gonna select who they want to select who they
and they believe that, Hey, we believe the guy, and
they'll tell you. We believe Dylan Brooks is better, they
should do it. We believe Jackson Dark, we believe Shook,
we believe mill Roe, we believe they're upside is better
than you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
How do how do we prove that it's not?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
I mean, dyl Dylan Gabriel did throw for had like
one hundred and fifty I mean he got what sixteen
seventeen thousand yards? He got one hundred and thirty hundred
and forty plus testdown. I don't know, but I'm just
saying it's I just I don't know what I chat.

(01:05:28):
I'm at a lost I normally would it be able
to have give you a good give you a good
excuse or good reason. I don't like to use the
word excuse. I would like to give you a reason
why I think a person or a player slid. I
have some intel red flag, even though I wouldn't tell
you exactly, but I would you know, hint around and

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then I'll let you deduce it for yourself. Oh, y'all,
don't got nothing. I don't got nothing that. It's not
about grades. He doesn't have a pre existing condition, he
doesn't have oh the character issue that he has. He's
extremely confident. He believes in himself, which is I think
that one of the most important things you can have
as an athlete is confidence of belief in you, Because
if you don't believe in you, who the hell else

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will Joe Nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
You always gotta believe in yourself. Man, utmost, all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Those all those days when I was training alone, wasn't
nobody there? No coaches saw it, no other players.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I did this. I believed in me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I believe that I was preparing for something greater, even
though the circumstances that I was in currently. Look, I
mean it should tell you something to Yes, his dad
gave him great opportunity to great coaches.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
He you know, he was with Braid and he had
a throwing coach. Whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Isn't that what past supposed to do, putting their kids
in the best situation so they can succeed. So why
would I if I had the opportunity to put my
kids in a situation that I think will.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Enhance them or help them succeed. Nah, I'm not gonna
do that. I want you to get it out like
I did. What kind of sense does that make?

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
None at all? So listen, if you don't need twenty
twenty vision and those in the chat, even if you
don't like your door, those in the chat, even if
you don't like Prime, if you have common sense and
you've been watching and seeing what's going on, you know
what it is that at this point you know exactly
what it is. I mean, it doesn't need to be said.

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Even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before,
if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before
your door that at the quarterback position, even if you
feel there better, even if you do, you still know
what it is. And if you don't, you just being purposely,
you purposely be a naive based on a personal vendetta
that you might have against you know, the Saydas family.
This has never ever, ever, ever ever been done. I

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never seen saying and people saying he's not good and
he can play at the next level, like like stop, man, stop.
You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions define,
which is why some teams haven't had success in eons.
But all of a sudden, he come on now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Even got prank called by someone pretending to be from
an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Man. Whoever did this?

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Y'all, y'all, y'all some clowns, bron I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Don't even know why, y'all. I don't even know why
you would do that. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I mean, at that moment, guy's on edge and you're
just hoping that you get a call I mean that's
I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get.
Obviously you want to get it as early as you
possibly can. But just and then somebody playing on the phone. Really, guys,
come on man. Sean Payne says he's very surprised Chador

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hasn't been drafted yet. There'll be this chip on his shoulder.
There'll be this chip on the shoulder. And beware, because
this guy is gonna play in this league. Uh shoulder
is in good spirits after not get it drafted the
day two. God don't make mistakes. Faith in God no
matter what. Yeah, check this out. Tyler Ship was justin

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Herbert's backup. He's eight days older than Trevor. Lawrence was
a freshman at Oregon with Bol Bowl. He turns twenty
six when the season starts, and he's had three seasons
that ended an injury. So now you're talking about Ojo.

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Remember I said, does he have an injury history? Does
he have red flags that we don't know about. Here's
a guy that's about to be twenty six, had seasons
in three different occasions with an injury. All I'm saying,
y'all chat, take and do with that whatever you like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
I think it's right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I think we have to o Jo and I when
we talk sports and we talk, we have to give
you context. She says, Okay, this guy went here because
I'm trying to exp well, Shana. Maybe he has a
pre conditioned, pre existing condition. Maybe he's there is a
character issue off the field. Maybe he has some kind
of a problem. We don't know, but we know one

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guy is about to be twenty six. I don't know
about you, O Joe, but when I got drafted, I
was twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
True, I don't even know what I was. I was
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I turned As a matter of fact, I got drafted
in April. I was twenty one when I got drafted.
I turned twenty two in June. This guy's about to
turn twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Uh, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
There's nothing. There's nothing we can do. We can just
talk about it and then hope your door makes the
best of it. Joe, let me ask you this, what
do you think what's the equivalent of something like this
happened in the NBA. Do you know a player that
was rated extremely high and not only did he fall
out of it was supposed to be a lottery pick.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way
out of the first round, slid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
All the way out up the second round because they
only have two rounds in the NBA, and ended up
having to become an NBA free agent.

Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:11:06):
The one person I can really remember is uh probably
Rashard Lewis him sitting in the green room because you know,
to the draft, and I think he was probably the
last one in the green room and I think he
thought he was going lottery and I think he ended
up going in the second round. Okay, Yeah, that's that's tough, bro.
Like I couldn't imagine that. Like it's already anxiety, you know,

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from being in there. They told me I was gonna
be a top ten pick on Kinocho. So I was invited.
I was invited to the green room. I'm sitting in there.
Look even though you know people, people haven't made promises
and all that, and I'm like, man, you never know, bro,
you never right, you know what I mean? So uh,
but it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted,
getting getting a chance to shake David Stearn's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Hand, just a memorable moment for me. And man, I
remember it like it was yesterday. Bro.

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
But yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know, uh
nobody who's kind of got left back there like that.
But it's gotta be a tough feeling, you know what
I mean. And look, Rashad had a great career from that, Bro.
He probably still wears a chip on his shoulder to
this day.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
You're probably you're probably right when you look at I
mean Thurman Thomas Turman. Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep.
He thought he was gonna be a first round pick.
He goes in the second round, Thurmas in the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
He won.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
He run the m v p uh and I think
ninety one, so uh yeah, but a precipitous fall like this,
I can't recall it ever,

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