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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Despite the Raiders losing to the Bears twenty five, twenty four,
asking Genty had his best game after bringing back his
iconic Mike Myers stance. It seems his head coach, Pete
Carroll loved it since House High School. Genty had stood
straight up with his hands by his side in the
backfield before the snap. However, during the Raiders offseason, the
coaching staff demanded Genty switched to a traditional running back stance,
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Chip Kelly being the main advocate for Genty to change
it bent knee game. During his first three games, Genty
struggled to get going. He averaged three point one yards
of carry on forty seven carries. Since changing back to
that stance yesterday, he recorded one hundred and fifty five
total yards, one hundred and thirty eight of those on
the ground, three touchdowns to receiving one rushing. After the game,
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Genty said, that's how naturally feel good standing in the backfield.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So that's how I'm going to play o Jo.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We've heard by a lot of players that's played on
the jyp CA in the NFL like.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hey, it's like his way.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm trying to figure out, what does that stance have
to do with your coaches style. It's all about control
with him. I told you it's all about control with him.
That man's been standing like there. It's kind of like
a quarterback. O Joe, that's taken and Johnny talked about it.
Say he only took about six and now his whole career,
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prior to get into the NFL under center, this man
has been playing like this. You took him in as
a top ten pick in the draft, and now you
get it, and now you want to change everything about it.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Why?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I mean the whole point of you drafting that's high
is based on everything he does, not the production. But
why change what makes him comfortable? That's like, you draft
him but he was very high, and try to change
him on how he's staying, Like, what are we doing coaching?
That's it? Let him, Let him do what he does.
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He's not giving you any indication in which way he's
going by standing straight up none. That's what he liked.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
That's his South and blood.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
The man, Oh Joe, you put him in a conventional stand,
How the hell he gonna see you buy?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
What?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Put him in the downstairs? He already five six? Yeah,
you put him in. Now he fired two. Yeah, the
man stand up so he could just scan the field.
I think he wears a shield, so it's not like
you can see his eyes and see where he's going. Yeah,
I mean it's all about control with him. Man that
that stands wasn't bothering anybody.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
At all at all. Justice just to say, just to
have your imprint on something.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh the coach.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And like I said, Pete Carroll should have said, hey,
Pete should have went to Chips said no, Chip, we'll
leave us stands just like it is.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad he went back to
doing what he liked. And it's funny as soon as
he goes back to doing what he likes, he has
a game like he did even though they did long,
even though they did lose.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Right, But that's that's the look. If that's what's gonna
make him comfortable. Low Hoe running out of that stance
most of the time. Hey, coaches are very superstitious. If
you need a special meal, if you need something, they
make sure.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You have that.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, absolutely, they're gonna make sure you have that.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That man's that stance rush for over two thousand yards,
what twenty five hundred twenty six hundred yards last year
and now all of a sudden he get there that.
How does that impact your play calling because he's standing
up like that, Does it force you to call plays
differently than you would if he's in a conventional stance. No,
it's okay not to have see I don't fault I
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don't fault him. I fought Pete Carroll for allowed it
because at the end of the day, he's the offensive coordinator,
Pete Carroll as the head coach, and I've seen head
coaches override offense and defensive coordinators when they did. No,
let him do that, because at the end of the day,
what if I want you to play your absolute best
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if standing up in that stance, it's like, oh, you're,
like you said a receiver. Some coaches. If you on
one set, whatever side you are, okay, I want you right.
If you're on the right side, I want your right
leg back. If you on the left side, I want
your left leg. But man, man, leave me the plan.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. If I used
to play, I used to play with my stands, and
I really love the fact that at times I was
giving the freedom to change thing up because you know
they watched film. Yes, skinny, it's always the same place.
If the balls in the middle, you inside edge of
the numbers, if the balls on the left hand, you
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outside edge of the numbers. So I used to play with.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
My spits lot you had you, yes, yes, So I
would play with.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
My spitsive lot so people wouldn't know what I was
doing because it's always on film. So I would just
add something to the offense. But I was always end
up in the same place at the right time. I
got to be there right, and that's what That's what
it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You know. Ay, sometimes you gotta Sometimes you gotta run
a slant. Yeah, you got to switch it up. You gotta.
You can't, you can't, man, he tight.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, well, hell they gonna know sometimes you got Hey, man,
I'm gonna have to bust it. But I can't keep
lining up in this type split and running this shallow
or I can't keep running this type split and running
this speed out because they're gonna pick up on that.
Like you said, they study, they study film. They study
your foot placement, they study your alignment. They study Okay,
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oh oh he always he normally always.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Have this footback when he had this footback. Here come
that bang.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So now you put that foot back and you run
the out because he's gonna be looking to drive the band,
the same thing that we do when we see a linebacker.
And he staggered. He switched his stamps. Oh you man,
you coming. You ain't finna dropping no coverage. Man, sharp,
how you know, don't worry about it. I'll tell you
after the game. I ain't going to tell you. I
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ain't to tell you that, so you can change it up.
But yeah, let let the let the young man. Let
the young man prosper and if that's what's gonna help
him be his absolute best takeoff son, Hey, you want
to eat? You want to eat spaghetti for a pre
game take off? If you want to a me. I
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was a French toast old meal guy. That's what I
had in a banw That's what That's what my pregame was. Now,
I ain't posta the night before the game, but some
people like like Poston State before the game.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I don't like that o joll that's too heavy. That's
too heavy.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I need to be like I need that stuff to
be out of my system by the time I get
to the game. But yeah, I think Chip Kelly was
trying to do too much for that. That was that
was totally unnecessary because now let the guy succeed. Oh
Joe Malik Neighbors towards j ACL on Sunday at Met
Life Stadium ending this season, joining a grower list of
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players who suffered major ACL little Kid Achilles injuried in
that stadium, Nick Bosa in twenty twenty, Solomon Thomas in
twenty twenty, Jabrill Peppers in twenty twenty one, one Delle
Robinson in twenty twenty two, Sterling Shepherd in twenty twenty two,
Kyle Fuller in twenty twenty two, Aaron Rodgers in twenty three,
Elite Neighbors in twenty twenty five. This morning, NFLPA interim
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executive Director David White met with the Giants and raised
concerns with playing the playing surface. Per Jonathan Jones, David
White pre planned visitor Giants today, according to the Union sources,
while they, he met with Giants players and John Marr
and raised the issues surrounding Met Life Stadium's turf history.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
White also shared the.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Union's best entrants best wishes tomorrow with his recent cancer diagnosis. Announcement,
more than ninety percent of the players have expressed a
preference for natural grass and surveys and have continued to
ask for it in light of stadiums installing grass for
FIFA next year.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh Jo now you see oho ya you see what?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh Joe, what are they putting in all these stadiums
that the World Cup is coming to?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
What did they putting in there? Ol Joe Taylor? People
home listen.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
You know, especially an event of this magnitude, soccer is
only played once you cross out the States. It is
only played on grass, not just any grass on top
about that beautiful beautiful, very beautiful, beautiful and may.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Be looking looking like a gust of national hunt.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. So I understand that, I understand the players
gripes obviously about the turf, about the grass. I mean,
they prefer and they much rather be playing on grass.
I think for cold weather cities that don't have an enclosure.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's hard now that that would be that would be
an issue. So I remember when playing the Steelers, having
a messed up feel for them. Oh yeah, November, late December.
It was an advantage it was a fantasy having it
having a bad feel. So I mean, if if.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And you know the biggest problem, but NFL games aren't
the only thing that's played in that stadium, tell you,
grass up. You have college games, you have concerts. So
when Beyonce comes or you have motocross, and you have
all these other things that's played in there. You need
something that can stand up because it's hard to pay
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for a stadium when you just use it half the year.
So that stadium is getting used year round, especially obviously
not you know, New York. You can't have me. They're
problems not having outdoor events. But let's just say for
the sake of argument, like Jerry's world. See Jerry figured
it out. Guess what they have. They're o YO college
football playoffs. He's trying to get the Oklahoma Texas, the
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Red River rivalry. He's trying to get that there. National
championship games are being played, They're they're doing other things.
They're having concerts, they're having boxing events, they're having other things.
So that's how you make money by having these venues.
And it gets hard. Real grass is hard.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
To care for.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Really hard to care for I mean is literally. I
mean we used to have a real grass and mile
high with some synthetic sewn in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But man Ross was on it.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm talking about as a matter of fact, he used
to work at the Broncos facility. They took him and
he especially now he's in charge of that down there.
He don't do the Broncos stuff. Man, they cutting that
grass every day. They measured the temperature, how much water. Okay,
we gave it to a They cut the sprinklers on
O shoe for ten minutes as opposed to fifteen they
cut it. We cut it too low. It might burn.
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Oh man, there's a science to that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, But you know, look, at the end of the day,
I think they'll sit down. I think they'll come to
some type of resolution and it's like, Okay, what is
in the best interest because we're hurting the product, guys
are getting injured.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You're gonna have to convince.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You're gonna have to be able to show them because
you know, the NFL gonna have their doctors as they
see there isn't a rise. Oh Joe, I'm trying to
I'm if you're trying to save money, I ain't trying
to install grass and then have to install it every three.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Weeks basically is what you're gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Do because you I think Houston and the Cardinals have
that roll like grass. You know what I'm saying, don't
They roll them palace out and then when it's up,
they roll them roll.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Them back up.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see
what what uh uh.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
What comes what comes of this?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I don't know what's gonna come of this, but it
just goes to show you that there is some concern
from the PA standpoint because these are some of some
big names O sho. These ain't just you know, willing
nilly players and uh, we'll see. Like you said, I
I just believe the uh, the owners like man, look
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here for the World Cup to put to put us,
you know in the the the influx of money that's
gonna be brought into the community.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Hey you understand how big were you?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah? I do?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Why you why you think everybody in America, everybody in
their mama tried to be it on it. Hell, I
think Atlanta got I think Atlanta got something going on there.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
But the Mercedes Mercedes Benz.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Don't Atlanta, Miami, l A, Mexicansas City, and in Kansas City,
God Dog somewhere.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It's a few more, It's a few I'm gonna be
I'm gonna be in all of them, be at all
of them. Excited.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
You're going Remember I work Remember I worked with I
work with Fox. Yeah, guitar. I was at there for
a whole month. So I'm doing the same thing again.
I can't wait. I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You can't wait for what? So what do you think
you think they go?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You think they go, uhh, switch the turf, or they're
gonna leave it as is.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Probably leave it as is because there's too it's too
much work. There's too much work on that, and and
it's it's it's the kind of work they're going to
cost more.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They're trying to cut costs.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, my point exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Uh, it's gonna be interesting to see how this thing
plays out, because, like I said, look, they're studying it now.
I don't know how much they studied when every I
mean because there before this field turf O Joe, you
either had natural grass or you had artificial turf. There
was no field turf, and then day like this field
turf Okay, this field turf, it's it's more durable. You
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don't have to care for it like you do regular grass.
It's it's durable, so you can play multiple events on it.
You can have multiple things on it, concerts, so you
can have a concert. You can have a concert on
Saturday night, and the thing's gonna be on Friday night
and it'll be ready on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You know what I liked about the turf though, with
that fact that it didn't matter if it was raining,
it didn't matter if it was cold, it didn't matter
if it was hot, it didn't matter if there was
snow on the ground. I was still able to run
full speed and stop on a dime because it's not giving,
it's not going nowhere, and I could I could feel,
I could feel every step if I like that, Not
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that I have nothing going with grass, but I just
liked the fact that's obviously the shoes I were unk
was like a track spike with no cushion, no soul,
no nothing. It was just the shell of a shoe
and a shoelace. So just being able to feel, to me,
I feel as much faster playing on that turf.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I like grass, but you know. I mean, I like
grass on Joe. But you know what, I didn't slept
because I was a heavy planner and I made sure
you know, I was always I always. You know a
lot of times you start slipping when you start I like, bro,
there's a reason why you only got four spikes in
the back and you got.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Seven eight in the front.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So put your damn weight on the front of your
on the ball to your feet, not on your heels.
That's why you slipped it. That should be calm and
said dumb, dumb.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Hey. And another reason I like it is I was
I was so unorthodox and some of the stuff I did,
I could be running the out route, you know, the outrop.
Your outright is on your seventh step, right, Yeah, step
with your outside foot the out route and take an
extra step because I can get the twelve so fast
and do it running out right off my left foot.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So let me ask you a question. Did y'all ten
roll to twelve or you twelve roll to fourteen?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I would always go. I always go from if you're
supposed to roll from ten to twelve, yeah, I would
get the twelve because you know I can plant that
one foot and just flip right away.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
If you playing on your inside foot, no.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I got my right foot right.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Listen, I'm talking about one. You planning on your right foot.
If you're on the left side, you're playing on your
left foot. If you're on the right side, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I can do it. I could do it in one motion,
because if you got a good DV. I'm talking about
a really good DV that said, you know what, I'm
not moving. I'm not finna sit. I'm gonna read the
quarterback the first three steps and get my eyes back
on you and that role. If you roll it from
ten to twelve, he driving ball ain't perfect. He's going
the other way. So I'm not gonna give you no chance.
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I'm getting the twelve, and I'm gonna make sure you
getting up out of there.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh you see? Are you are you going? Are you
going right down the middle or you trying to pick
a shoulder.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
No, I'm staying right down the middle. I'm staying right down.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
The middle, yep.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Because if I weave, a good dude is just gonna
weave right with you. He's just gonna reset everything. So
I don't want to give you no indication. I want
to just I'm gonna stand the straight line, get you
to open. If you open, boom, I'm snapping off in
the end. Right, wanna play ball.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
All right without me? You gotta get him by that
back bell. Look now, they'll call it if you run
it too the guy Now, if he's standing there, don't
want to move you running to him. They're gonna call
it now. Right before, they wouldn't call that because he's like,
he's entired to that ground. Also, that's that's what he's
entitled to that spot. And uh, but you know I'm
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I'm trying to I'm trying to get him to open up. Also, yeah,
I'm trying to get him to open. But for the
most part, the last thing they want to do they
don't want you to step on their toes. They don't
want you to step on their toes because they know
if you step on their toes, it's over for the
nine ball.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's over for the nine ball. Ay.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And the last thing you want to do is, hey, Andy, Oho,
you know you gotta be you coming that like you
he coming this nine ball?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Look at it. Runner.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Hey, I ain't good, I ain't going d I'm playing
my bad, my bad, I ain't mean to d I
ain't mean to dig that hard to get you to
open up, but I had to get you out of
that backber.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I had to. I had to make you move because
if he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Move, Oh, he he gonna drive that.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
He's driving that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And especially it all depends on your how tight you are,
because he knows if you typed the album.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Oh you want some you want some space to run
the out?
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Huh uh huh keep Cleveland Browns have announced that their
third round pick Dylan Gabriel will start Sunday against the
Minnesota Vikings in London.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
When asked about getting Gabriel getting the starting job, it
was literally it literally left your door speechless. Oh, Joe,
let's take a listen to this second.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, let me need that things we use yourself. That's
one more.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
That's what what do you think you got to show
you the show to some coaches? I believe then believes
men to you that you can y'all be ready, it's.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
What team you say?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
How much?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
How much has Joe been important to both of you
and Dylan in terms of your guys like development to
this point?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Man, y'all, Oh Joe, do you like the way your
door handled this press conference.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Absolutely absolutely, because whatever he says, they're gonna twist his words.
If you say nothing, you know, it's really well on
any other team, they have thirty one other other quote
excuse me, they have thirty one other teams. Do any
of those media members talk to the third string quarterback? No, Well,
it's controversy. Why create controversy? How do you not create
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it by when they ask you questions, just don't answer.
You just don't answer. If anything that you could be
talking to Joe Flack or why are you talking to
shador It makes no sense. And I like the way
he handed it because anything he does say, they're gonna
make it a big deal. They going to twist his words.
They canna take it completely out of context. Listen, Dylan
gave us a starter, so be it.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
For me. I mean, it's being reported.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Adam Schefter reported, and some other networks are starting to
report that this was his response to Rex Ryan saying
what he said on the Sunday Show that keep your
mouth closed, move to the front of the.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Class, and X Y and Z Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I guess this was a situation where he's like, Okay,
I should keep my mouth shut. I'm gonna keep my
mouth shut. It's hard for me to believe that the
scenario that he didn't talk to his father. Obviously he
leans very heavily on his father, rightfully, so his dad
has been through things like this where you know, he
says something, and then if he says something, it's one thing.
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If he doesn't say something, it's another thing. So he
took this approach. Look, he's not just any other quarterback,
any other third third string quarterback. You and I both
know if he was any other quarterback and he slid
down where he did, we wouldn't even be having it.
If he was any normal fifth round pick, we wouldn't
even have this discussion. But he's not a fifth round pick,
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So we shouldn't ask ask him to act like a
fifth round pick because that's not what.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We believe he is.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
For me, look, if he had took it, if he
had took the pro say, look, I'm happy for Dylan.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Hopefully he goes out there and plays well.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Joe, I feel bad for Joe, but you know, this
is this is the game of football, This is a
business and a I'm just you know, I'm happy for
Dylan and my job doesn't change. I go out there,
I prepare, uh and if my time, if my number
is called, I'm gonna go out there and give it
everything that possibly got. That's really the only thing that
he can say. Oh Joe, what what's he's What's he
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supposed to say? Now it's a situation. I'm not you know.
We had this conversation and everybody from Cleveland jumped on me.
I said, guys, what are we doing right?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Why?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Why is Joe Flacco here? Yeah, we know fla O
was in Cleveland, was before and then let him go.
He was in Indy and he wasn't let him get
the straight. He wasn't the answer the first time around
in Cleveland. He wasn't the answer in Indy. He wasn't
the answer at the Jets. But now he's going to
be the answer this time around. Joe Flacco hadn't been
the answer since twenty twelve when he won them, when
he took the Ravens to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Go ahead, O, Joe Nigga. I don't think he I
don't think he was the answer. It was more sure
of the short term the shirt. Excuse me, the short
term answer until they're ready to see who's going to
be quarterback number two. We find out who quarterback number
two was, and it was only a matter of time.
Same thing with Russell Wilson and Jackson Dark. Russell Wilson
was the starter. He was, He was a starter for
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for a short time, Like you said, eight weeks or
maybe after. I thought it would have been way. I
thought it had been far beyond that. But obviously we
see what happened. They made a change after week three.
Same concept. I knew, I knew he wasn't going to
be there, being there too long, and I mean, listen,
Dylan Gabriel is now the quarterback. I wish him luck
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and we gonna see. To me, to be honest with you,
I don't think he's the answer. I don't think it's
the answer, and we're gonna find out. Listen, this ain't
the preseason. This ain't the preseason, and the defenses that
you're gonna see now are gonna be a lot more
different than all for sure preseason. So if you can
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have if he can handle the pressure, one of the
things I do like about Dylan Gabriel, and not only
can he throw the ball, he showed that he can
be efficient in the preseason, but he's also a dual threat.
He can use his legs. Slim it to Jackson Dark.
I'm not saying Jackson Dark, but I'm just saying he
had that dual threat capability and being able to extend
plays and throw the ball.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Like if it's funny how we look at things now,
Jameis Winston has a big personality. He's a third string quarterback.
Everybody would have lowed Jamis had he did the exact
same thing, right, I mean, think about it, O Joe. Yeah,
the funny thing that he says and the manner hysms that.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
He has, Yes, this is Jameis. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Absolute, But they have a problem with should do I
don't know how Shu Door wins. If he says something,
he shouldn't have said anything. If he doesn't say anything,
he should have said something. Until he gets on the
field and somebody can say either see I told you
he could play or I told you he couldn't play.
It's gonna be something, O Joe. That's just the way.
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That's just the nature of what it is.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Absolutely, you know, it's it's totally unfortunate too. If it
was any fifth rown pick, he wouldn't be talking about
like this, No, because this would come with that last name.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, this was.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Coming with the order of being a Sanders. It just
it is what it is. Obviously, I feel the Browns
in the organization. Sefanski, obviously the owner himself came out
and said this wasn't my pick, this is not who
I wanted. So the odds are stacked against him. The
car that he dealt, he can have to do his
best job and play in the hand that he has
when that opportunity comes. If it does come, you got
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to come out. You got you got to be prepared.
You got to be prepared, and when you get it,
you got to shut that door behind you.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Look and people say, well, James proved himself what that
he's He's the journeyman quarterback. He threw thirty picks. He
was the last quarterback in the NFL since you got
to go back to Testaverdy in the eighties. Then threw
thirty interceptions. So I'm trying to figure out what did
he improved he took did he take Tampa to did
he take Tampa to the Super Bowl? Because all I
know the team that he left. Tom Brady came in
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the next year and they went to the Super Bowl.
So I'm asking you, guys, you said he proved, what
did he prove if he'd approved? Guess where he'd been
on Joe not to back up in New York. Where
were your being because where where was he last year?
Joe Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, he was in New Orleans before that. Yeah, all
I'm saying, I'm saying the personality matches, we can look
prove prove. Okay, fine, I get your point. Where he
started in the league. He was Rookie of the Year
in the league. You're absolutely correct, But I there are
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a lot of guys that's proved that could Joe Flaco
proved that he could play in the league. Joe Blackoh
won a Super Bowl. He's a Super Bowl MVP. Go
look at Joe Flaco playoff numbers. I mean you would
say that Joe Flacco would have proven more, if you say, improved,
than James. I was just saying the personalities. When we
like somebody, O Jo, we'll tolerate more of their behavior
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than if we don't.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
See we like James James.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Funny man, y'all heard what James saying Japan's funny, James's
gonna have a career media.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, Jamie Jamis is one on one James. There there
isn't another person athlete like him. I think Schador doesn't
have that kind of personality. I think people just don't
like Chador based on the or what he comes with
the name uh Pops as well some of the things
Dion made have said in the past. People that like
Dion's so any any ill will towards Dion and just
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overflowing onto a son as well. For me, you ignore it,
especially as as as your door, you ignore it. You've
been You've been prepared for this moment. You had to
deal all your life. Now it's come to a head.
You at the last stop. You reached the pinnacle your
childhood dream of being on an NFL team. You're not
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the starter, but you have an opportunity to be the starter,
and sometimes if things don't go well, you just need
to make sure you are prepared when the opportunity presents itself.
And that's pretty much it. All the noise, block all
that out, man, block all that out.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's just unusual to see the starter get benched.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And well, I guess it's it's common because when when
Russ got bnched, Jackson Dark came in the start and
Russell went to the backup, right, So I guess it's
not an unusual as we might think it. Ill you're like, well,
hold on, Flaco got benched, should do it was already third.
Shouldn't everybody just like move up a spot and the
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guy jumps back. But that's seemingly not how they did it,
because Brian Dabas said that Jackson Dark would start the
rest of the season and Russ will serve at his
backup in James stage where jamis is. Yeah, and I don't,
I guess it's common.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I don't really know, Ojo, But it seemed like this
is the same thing Joe Flacco lost his job. The
guy that was backing up Joe Flacco moves to the
starter and Flako moved to number two.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And the third quarterbacks exactly where he was.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Absolutely, I think the thing is until Shador gets on
the field, improved or disproved.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
What the ojo is fifty.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I mean, I want to play he's two cocky, he's
too this, he does this, and he does that.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The matter rhythm.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Until he's on the field, until he plays. It's the chatter.
The noise is not going to stop.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Are you muted.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Me?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
He ain't said nothing. I can't hear him.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You can't hear me?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Or just me?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, that's you I'm talking to You can't hear me?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Not?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Hey, can you see my muscles? You see my muscles? Hey? Chat?
Can you see my muscles?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Okay, there you go. You got me?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Not yeah, I got you? Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
That was me okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I can.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
But but it's it's a situation, O Joe. People want
to see him succeeded. They want to see him fail,
but they want to see him on the field. That's
when it comes That's what it comes down to, O Joe.
I want to see him on the field, and I
want to see him sink or swim. That's what it
comes down to. Because all this talk, well, he shouldn't
have been this, or he shouldn't have been that. Now
he's gonna either prove a camp right or he's gonna
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be proven wrong. But they want to say, Okay, we'll
see now. That's why he's led to the fifth round. Man,
I don't know how y'all see how he's playing. He
should have never been in the sixth round. I mean
it's the fifth round. You don't know. I'm sure he
talked to his dad. His dad like, look, son, if
it was me, you handle it. You're your own guy,
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You're your own man. But Rex said, I don't know
exactly how. I don't want to misquote, but I think
he said something to the fact, why are you talking
because it's the same situation. And here's where he's gonna
get beat up at if he doesn't go playing and
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he doesn't play well. Oh Joe, Remember he said he
can play better than some of the starting quarterbacks right now,
That's what got Lebron in trouble with Bronnie. Bronnie was
in high school or Bronni was in college, and he
bron said, Bronni is better than some NBA players currently.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
You put a huge target.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I get it when you tell you know, you believe
in your son, and you should believe in your son.
But when you put it out there like that, Ojo, man,
you're you're you're asking you're asking for a lot of criticism.
Should we be surprised that he's the he was name starter.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
No, I mean, he was a number two. It shouldn't
be a surprise at all. You shouldn't be a surprised
at all he was. He Listen, mister Fancy came out
before the season started and said that Dylan Gabriel will
be the number two quarterback. I mean, that's what it is.
That's what it is. So we knew that whatever point
things weren't going well for Flaco, Dylan Gabriel will be
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the next man up. Now things don't go well with
Dylan Gabriel, I don't know what's gonna happen from that point.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
On that that feet, that's where I was going next.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You're right, Ojo, because it was reported that Gabriel was
getting first team reps along with Flacco its earliest training camp.
So he was getting first team reps. Flacco was getting
first team reps. And who's the court of the.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Quarterback, uh damn from.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
The Steelers Kenny Pickett, Yeah, Kenny, yeah, Picket. So those
guys were getting first team reps. Shoulder wasn't getting those reps.
So I agree, we shouldn't be surprised. The question that
I have for you if Gabriel struggles, now, what do
we do? Do they go back to black or they say, oh,
do they give your door an opportunity?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I'm not sure. And knowing the game, understanding the business
and knowing how the business works, I think they will
probably go back to Flacco. I think they would go
back to flack On if things don't work out again
and Flacco is still not successful when he returns back
to the field, then I think Shadu will get his
shot somewhere on the back half of the season.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh, Joe, let me ask you a question. Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
If you think Shauder knew what he knew now, you
think he goes back to Colorado boards last year.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
If he knew what he knows now, if he knows
what he knows.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Now hindsight, Yeah, probably so. Probably so I think so too,
I would think. But there's no possible way. There's no
possible way, Ojo. There is not a scenario that anybody thought. Okay,
let's just say, O Joe, he's not the first pick,
he's not a top five, he's not a top ten.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Let's just say you know what, oo, because you're not
having this conversation. Yeah, let's just say that he's not
a first round pick. Thirty two players gonna be selected
in the first round, right, Ain't no way he thought
he'd be a fifth round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
No, absolutely not, absolutely not not no. And some people
listen to some people to say, well, he wasn't that good.
He was mad, he would listen. He can play the
quarterback position. He can play the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
He does.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He's not a dual threat, but what he lacks in
his ability to run the ball he makes up in
other areas. He has other intangibles that makes him a
quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start
on an NFL team. And until he gets the opportunity
to approve he can do just that, we're gonna have
to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
He should apply for a hardship for COVID. I would say,
I would say I would to go back and play.
You're right, I mean, there's really like no way to
really know. I mean, hell, I didn't somebody would have
told me I was gonna be a self ride draft pick.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I say, you ought your damn mind. Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
The number I was the number one rated, one of
the number one rated players below Division one. So I'm like, Okay,
I ain't gonna go to the first round, but somebody
tell me I'm gonna be I'm not gonna be a
top third round, a top three round pick.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Please let me let me tell you something. You've been
around a long time. I've been around long enough to
understand that business and how that business worst. Yeah, anything
they don't like about you before you get there, they
will find a way to humble you. They will find
him to humble you. And when your opportunity does present itself,
or you gotta knock that goddamn though down and close
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it behind you, because you're not gonna get very many opportunities,
especially if they don't like you.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I would have, yeah, I would have. I agree with you, Ochoe,
because my brother used to tell me all the time.
I said, man, you know I've been training camp, Ojoe.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And I'll be like, man, i ain't getting no reugh today,
or I'll be in practice. You know, once I made
a team, he said, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
He said.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
One day, John Elwire gonna call on you, he say,
just make sure when he called your number.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Ready, Gotta be ready, he said.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And and I think The thing.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
That really helped me, O Joe, is that he told me.
He said, t you can, you could, you could be
good in this league. He said, there ain't a whole
lot of he ain't a whole lot of can do
what you do now, he said, just keep working, you know,
just keep working hard. I don't know why that man
took a liking to me. I don't know, Joe, I
don't know why, but I mean for him and Gary
Kubiak Koubiak. Cool was the backup when I was different.
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When I first got there in ninety ninety one. Hey,
Cool used to pull me to the side. Now that's
when you know somebody really take a liking to you.
He pulled me to the side, he say, he would
show me. He say, hey, now you're gonna be here
on this, this and this. You know what you got Now,
they're gonna be in this coverage you run this, You're
gonna be on that coverage you run that. Oh Joe,
I'll I'll be out there doing like I'm doing that,
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like okay, good job, good job shop.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Hey you know what else?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
You know they'd be like, oh, oh Joe, they be like,
good job shop. That's what I'm talking about. That's what
I'm talking about. Getting your playbook, man cool told me everything.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
You know what else, when I think about it, when
I think about some of the things the fancy said,
when I think about some of the things the owner said,
they baiting me to a little bit too. They bait me.
When you go to the Army, when you go to
the Marines, when you go to the Navy, any of
those places where it's a structuring environment, what's the one
thing they try to do to make sure to see
if you're if you're ready, or you're worthy.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
But they're gonna try to break you down.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Trying to break you. They're trying to theyre trying to
break you. He cannot break, you cannot fold, you cannot
last out.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Hell, No, I can come there for hell now can do.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
None of that. You got to stay the course. You
got to stay the course and focus on the end
goal and prepare for that opportunity because it's gonna come. Yeah,
It's definitely gonna come.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Man O Joe, Look, I'm gonna share this story with you.
I've I won't shared it one time, and I shared
it with when I spoke at Coach Reeve's funeral. I
was the only His wife called me and ask would
I speak? Now, you got to realize all the people
that he played with. Coach Reeves played the league, he
played on the coach Landry, all the coaches he coached.
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He was off of the coordinated with the Cowboys. He
was the head coat to the Broncos. He was the
head coach of the Giants. He was the head coach
of the Falcons. He asked me to She asked me
to speak. I didn't know until like she told me,
but she said channel would be a huge honor if
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you were to speak at Dan. I was like, I'm like,
are you sure? Like She's like, I'm sure. She said, Shannon,
you was always his favorite. He said you worked so hard.
He'd said he saw how you came in and what
you worked and turned yourself into. He was just so proud.
So I'm sure he would be honored if you spoke,
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Oh Jo. Every Sunday, Coach Reeves would ask seven or
eight of us what we had on a certain plate.
God hones truth. Every time he would call on me,
he would already have sawt me. He would tell me
he was step out in the hall. He would tell me,
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I'm going to ask you this, this is what you
need to say, said like this, and I'm like, why
he ain't doing that for nobody else?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
He's not. That's why it hurt me so bad. O Joe.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
When he got fired, I said, had I became because
he got fired to year I made my first Pro Bowl,
I led the team and receive it.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It hurt me so bad.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I said, if I had only become what I later
became in ninety three through ninety eight, ain't no way
coach reeves get fired.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So that's why it hurt me. Because he invested so
much in me.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
He believed in me, he did, he drafted me, somehow
lost this damn mind and forgot to cut me. And
for him, John and Cool and coach reeve to take
that kind of time, I promise you. And I don't know,
you don't quote me on this. It's hard for me
to believe that a head coach is taking that kind
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of interest in a seventh round draft pick in today's game.
It's hard for me to believe John Elway the number
one pick in the nineteen eighty three draft, or he
was a pro bowler, he was an All Pro, he
was an MVV had gone to three Super Bowls. It's
taking that kind of liking in a seventh round draft pick.
Gary Kobak, who is the backup, is taking that kind
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of liking. Oh, Joe, I ain't have no choice. It's
like my grandmother when she put when she took my
mom's three in after raising hers. I ain't have no choice.
Oh Yo, How could I let these people down that
had invested so much in me, that believed in me?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
How I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Man, I got in a playbook. Hey, every night I'm
going home, I said, I'm gonna know everything. It became
second nature. It became I knew, I knew what I
had to do. It's hard to check this out on Yeah,
the tight end is normally.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Uh why Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
And Dan's offense, he's ex x yes, because coach Landry
was a defensive coordinator. So everything is backwards. One three
five is to the right, two four.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Six eight is to the left. Yes, So if it's backwards,
that's not Z that's a wing X why.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Wing three hy dig tight end is the x O
choe tight end? Ben why his whole life? Two four
six say you've been to the right, your whole life
one three, five sevent is to the LEFTO. Now you
got verbage, Oh Joe, I came from the round tree
six five, three to seven.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
But what you mean.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Fifty two doubles slang is special? What I got?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I ain't never heard nothing like that. Oh man, geez,
my mind was with spinning, Ojoe. I just want to
know what is it gonna take. What do you believe
it will take for your dor to get an opportunity
to start this season? Because this is because if he
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doesn't start this season, Oh Joe, the whole purpose of
him not going to Baltimore, And it's reported that there
were another team the Eagles also thought about selecting him.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
He said, no, I don't want to play behind her.
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
It wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys
like that. But you talk about a guy like James
Hurst is very doable. He doesn't miss time, Lamar.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
You're not seeing the field. You're not seeing the field
at old places. Now the opportunity to play what happens.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
If he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Hey, that's that's one I don't know, and that's what
I'm not understanding, but if he doesn't see the field
this year for Cleveland being at there. They have shortcomings
with Flaco and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel, then
that's my practice on ownership. It might be a point
we have no choice but to put him in there,
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because not only is the team gonna call for him,
the fans in the media gonna call for him as well.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I definitely think the fans gonna be calling for if
Gabriel doesn't play well, right, I mean, look, just don't
turn the ball over.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Just don't just keep your defense off the field for
damn for thirty five forty minutes.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm not asking you to be a world beater, but
if you can give your defense, or if you can
score enough and keep the defense off the field, but
they're not playing thirty five forty minutes, you got to
you gonna have a chance. Yeah, you're gonna have a
chance to defense plenty good enough, but not if you
wear them down. Yep, So we'll see. Oh Joe Dnni
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Gabriel made an interesting comment yesterday when talking about becoming
Brown's new queak QB one.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Let's take a listen to what Gabriel had to say.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
I smile because it's like a moment you prep for
and you are extremely excited for, but also got to
realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued
to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time,
you know you're gonna wait a whole lifetime. So for me,
I'm just I've always been ready for every moment.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Wait for the perfect time. You'll be waiting a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
I like that because when you're doing good moments and opportunities,
sometimes the ideal situation is never perfect.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Hm hmm.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
It's never perfect. The ideal situation that you envisioned ahead
to get the opportunity, it never going to be how
you envision it. And that's exactly what it is. Sometimes
their adversity, sometimes they are obstacles that you have to
climb to get said opportunities.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
And for him, it hasn't been perfect. Hey man, my life,
My life just went out.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I don't think he was talking about him waiting a lifetime.
The reports didn't come out that he's told the team
not to draft him.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I don't, Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't, I don't.
I don't coincide, But he said and having to do
anything with with twelve.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah, no, it's hard to even No, not even close,
not even close. Nah, not even close. That's in a
sense that would be reached, that would be almost be
reaching a little bit. That that's to me.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
So, but I'm trying to figure out how why would
he say, if you wait for the perfect time, you
have to wait a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Well, come on, and I just ask you listen, we can't,
we can't. That's his words. That's that's what he came
up with. That might be a sandy I don't know.
I don't know, but I still don't. I don't coincide
what he's saying and having to do anything.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
But it should do it. I look, is it ever
gonna be perfect?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
On?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
I mean, all things being equal, you like for the
Dolphins to draft you all things is like, man, let
me go home.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I want to play for the.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Dolphins, or I want to go play with somebody got
a quarterback, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Look, and I get it.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Quarterbacks are different because normally you get a quarterback and
he's good, he gonna be there for a period of time,
and you got the you know, you got to.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Wait and hope everything happened. I mean I did. Let
me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Ideally, yeah, you think Tom Brady and give him the
choice wanted to go to New England after they had
just given made Drew bleded So the highest paid quarterback
in the NFL. He had just signed a six year one.
You think that was the ideal situation for Tom blood Brady.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
What happened.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
He got hurt, Drew got hurt, she got hurt. And
guess what happened was an ideal situation and it wasn't perfect.
He made an idea bingo and the same thing. Same
Joe Flacco's not playing well. Not the ideal situation, because
maybe the ideal situation is I've drafted the third round
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and I beat Joe Flacko out in training camp and
I'm the start of week one. That's the ideal, perfect situation.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I don't believe there.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I don't believe there was gonna let anybody look, if
it's been reported they wanted Kenny Pickett to win the
job and Gabriel b Seca should do it be third.
I don't ever think there was gonna be a situation.
Oh Joe, that a rookie was gonna beat Joe FLACKO out.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
I didn't either, based on I didn't either. But again,
the way to go on who you start with. You
start with the veteran who has experience, and when the
bottom falls out, then you make a change. The bottom
fell out. They made a change, right, man.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Should a guy could have told him the bottle was
gonna fall out. Yeah, at some point the bucket was rusty. Anyway,
you talked about the bottom fell out there, the bucket rusty,
But then you think it was gonna happen to the bottom. Look,
at the end of the day, Shoudor needed to make
the best decision for him. You might not agree with
what he did. He should just be happy that somebody
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was gonna take him X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
I get it on you. I get all I do.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I honestly get all of that because normally when we
come out, O Joe were just happy to get drafted.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Really I am.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I didn't get careing about it, man, the big really,
the Bengals, the Patriots, the Colts, anybody could have drafted me.
I got drafted to the NFL. That was the start
of the journey. Yeah, I mean sometimes people get drafted.
Oh they said, oh yeah, no, bro, your journey just started.
You ain't never been to the NFL. I don't know
if your My My dream was not to just get
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was not to be drafted. My dream was get to
the NFL and play. Being drafted is just half the process.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Also, you have to think, now, let let's let's let's
let's let's let's use a little my chances. If I'm
sure doer, I don't want to go to Baltimore. You
ain't finna see the field. You're not seeing the field
for the next ten one, two, three, four, five fifty,
the next ten eleven years. It's gonna be Amar Jackson show.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I know a guy that went to New England when
Tom Brady was at his APEX, named Jimmy Garoppolo. Played
a few games, played good enough, and then what happened
on Yo, Tell the people at home that don't know
that wasn't around when Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the
New England Patriots and Tom Brady got suspended. Cause we
never know because there's only been one omnipotent one. Yeah,
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be all knowing, Yes, Tell the people at home. What
happened Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the New England Patriots.
There's an unperceived that we couldnt have possibly known. Tell
the people, I want you to take the store over
from there.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Hold on, I forgot the story. You got to bring
me up to speed.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Jimmy Garoppolo gets drafted to the New England Patriots. Tom
Brady gets suspended for four games. Jimmy Garoppolo played well
enough to say, guess what happened, O Joe? Yeah, Farty
nine Ers traded a second round pick to get Jimmy
g Okay. Now Lamar Jackson is hurt. If your George
Sanders is there, guess who's gonna get in the game
right now?
Speaker 2 (50:40):
O Choe, she do it, Sanders.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
If you play well enough, because you know you're not
gonna keep the job from Lamar Jackson, you play well enough,
guess what happens, oh Choe?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Tell the people what could possible happen?
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah? You could probably get traded somebody willing to give
up picks for him.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Tada, and you get you get to a situation that
you always wanted because you go ahead.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Or the cars that you're with depth, I'm gonna take
my chances going somewhere else. I'm gonna take my chances going.
But let me stay with me.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Now, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I'm gonna take my chances going somewhere else where. The
odds stacked against me, those obstacles and those hurdles, that
adversity that I've always had to overcome in life, I'm
gonna I'm gonna do it the hard way, I guess,
and wait my turn. Because what he's gonna get his opportunity?
Speaker 1 (51:34):
You guess what else is stacked against you? What's that
the talent in Cleveland versus the talent in Baltimore. Yeah,
because when Jimmy Garoppolo went to New England, Guess who
you're throwing to? Danny Avindola. Guess who helped Julian Edelman? Yes,
who helped Rob Gronkowski. Guess who he would be handing
the ball off to.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Jack Henry.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Guess who he'd be throwing to Mark Andrews. Guess who else?
Rashad Bateman. Guess who else? May Flowers?
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Eight flowers?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Oh, now, let me ask you another question.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Who would you rather be throwing the ball to the
guys in Cleveland or the guys in Baltimore, Who would
you rather hand the ball off to dar hear me
or the guy in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
I'm just asking. I don't know. I mean, you might
like I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
It sound good, that would be the ideal situation. But
what did what did Dylan Gabriel just say? I don't
have the ideal situation. The situation I mean was not perfect.
But when the opportunity can hold on, hold up? Can
we rewrite that and play that again? Can we rewright?
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Because it's like a moment you prep for and you
are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that
it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to harp on.
But you wait for the perfect time, you know you're
gonna wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just
I've always been ready for every moment.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
If you wait for the perfect time, so I'm sure do.
And I'm in Baltimore, so I'm waiting on Lamar to
get hurt, because that's what.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
You waiting for. In what you're waiting for in Cleveland,
you waiting for Joe Flack or to mess up.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
So either way, whichever place you go to, you're still
waiting on the perfect time, You still waiting on the
ideal situation where you can get in there and do
what you do regardless to what's surrounding you. You still
got to do what you got to do right. And
for one, you know what you know it's funny is
you can focus on what's around you. You can only
focus on what you need to do right. To do
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what you need to do, regardless of whether you have
a great supporting cast or not, whether I got Derek
Herry or not, whether I got Dave Flowers or I
got goddamn God damn Derek Henry in the background. I
got to do what I got to do. And handing
the ball off the Justkins Junkins, right, Junkins, Night Junkins, Yeah, Junkins.
I got to get the ball to Jerry Jerry Judy.
I got to get the ball to Unjoku whatever. I
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got to work with that hand I got, Well, when
you play black jack, they kill your hand, right, I'm
trying to beat the dealer.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I got to work with what I got.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
I guess I got, man, you gave me fourteen. I
guess what you got, you got a nine.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I got to hit it.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Hey, that's the beautiful Hey, that's the beautiful thing about
life though, hungh that it is. Think about life, right.
We all envision getting the perfect hand, but sometimes the
car that God dealers they ain't perfect. But he ain't
gonna give us twenty one every time.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
No, And sometimes you might have twenty one and the
dealer got twenty one and you'd be like, and you
didn't take no insurance out.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Hey, it's not that it's a push.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Or you got to Oh you're like, oh, yeah, I
got twenty and then he flip over black jack. So
you're right, there are there are no Look, there are
no perfect scenarios.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
We make whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
We make the best out because there have been times
a you got a you got a you got hen,
you get three, you get a five, you get another three.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Twenty one?
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, like, damn, I don't know how I got I
don't know how I made that hand. Yeah, And that's
what you're doing is gonna have to do. Okay, he's
gonna have to wait a couple more weeks.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Uh uh.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Bill and Gabriel is in there now, and they're gonna
give it. They're gonna give him, you know, three to
five weeks.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Yeah, Hey, this I hope. I hope he does well.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Look I could, I couldn't wish bad on Joe. I've
been in that situation. No, Joe, I was the third
hold on clans k orson Berger. I was a four
tight end.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
O Joe got four. Every tight end on the roster
got hurt.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Hold On, you was four fourth. First of all, I
was first of all, I was a receive. I was
the fifth receiver. So this one, I was the fifth receiver. Yes, Phil,
and you are sorry. Hey, I was a special team
man on special teams, do Joe.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
That's not my job.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Hey, hey, give them a good look at practice, right,
special teams go down there and do what I need
to do. Yeah, how everybody? All the tight ends get hurt. Yeah,
I'm the biggest wide receiver. But at that point in time,
on Joe, I'm already down.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
I came in.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
I weighed two twenty one by that time, I'm like,
to twelve, what tight end? You? What wide receiver?
Speaker 4 (56:24):
You know?
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Yo can go play tighty even in today's game when
they don't really block like that, and to twelve it.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Is very undersized. Hell, I did ship when I came
in twelve.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
So it was a situation like and when Daddy send
for me to come talk to dam and I think
I'm gonna get cut and coach call you. They say, hey,
Dan want to see you in his office and you
just had a meeting.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
What's the matter.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
I'm gonna tell what I'm gonna tell Libby what I'm
gonna tell Damn. Everybody their back and just oho everything
going through my Hey.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah, I know that I know them ends and back
home will be Yeah, I told you I know he
was gonna last long. How he could tell I was nervous,
so Joe, I'm I said, coach, Hey, Shannon, come on in.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
No, I'm good. I can hear you out here. Hey
he said, uh, he said, uh, what do you think
about switching positions? Uh?
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Thinking about moving the tight end? I said, okay, he
said uh. I said, you're gonna throw me the ball.
He's like, yeah, you know you gotta learn to play,
but yeah, we'll get We'll get you the ball. I said, okay, O,
your heart your my heart were beating so fast. So hey,
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now I ain't any why I receive with meeting with
the tight end.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Tight ends, Yeah, and just like that.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
Halfway through the season Boom as an interview, Oyoe, when
you were five and eleven that year, he say, hey, coach,
coach retail. I go to his office. He said, you
did really good, but hey, need you to get a
little stronger, put a little weight on. Hey, we think
you could be really good. We think you can be
really good. Like man, I was okay, bad oh jo bad?
Speaker 2 (58:27):
I hit the wait.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
So that's what a your door. I don't know when
this opportunity is going to present itself.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
When it presents itself, and I'm sure your father has
told you this, when the opportunity presents itself. Sometimes, when
opportunity presents itself, Oh Joe, grumblers complain about the noise.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Don't worry about it. Seize the moment.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Bro, What that was you said, opportunity when it knocks.
Grumbler complains about the noise. Man, that's opportunity gone, worry
about it. Hold on you a Sanders, realize that hang
your hat on that. All these fails go back.
Speaker 3 (59:15):
Who am I?
Speaker 2 (59:16):
What am I? How did I become this? Where did
I come from? Hey?
Speaker 3 (59:22):
Boy, that was a good one there brought When opportunity
presents itselves brumbles.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
An opportunity knocks.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
Oh yeah, knock knock, knock, knock, knock.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Who knocking on my door? What you want? That was
opportunity knock it. You're complaining about the noise.
Speaker 3 (59:37):
M who. That's tough on. Hey, that's like a battle
wrap bar right there. Mm hmmm. I'm gonna use that.
I'm gonna use yeah,
Despite the Raiders losing to the Bears twenty five, twenty four,
asking Genty had his best game after bringing back his
iconic Mike Myers stance. It seems his head coach, Pete
Carroll loved it since House High School. Genty had stood
straight up with his hands by his side in the
backfield before the snap. However, during the Raiders offseason, the
coaching staff demanded Genty switched to a traditional running back stance,
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Chip Kelly being the main advocate for Genty to change
it bent knee game. During his first three games, Genty
struggled to get going. He averaged three point one yards
of carry on forty seven carries. Since changing back to
that stance yesterday, he recorded one hundred and fifty five
total yards, one hundred and thirty eight of those on
the ground, three touchdowns to receiving one rushing. After the game,
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Genty said, that's how naturally feel good standing in the backfield.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So that's how I'm going to play o Jo.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We've heard by a lot of players that's played on
the jyp CA in the NFL like.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hey, it's like his way.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm trying to figure out, what does that stance have
to do with your coaches style. It's all about control
with him. I told you it's all about control with him.
That man's been standing like there. It's kind of like
a quarterback. O Joe, that's taken and Johnny talked about it.
Say he only took about six and now his whole career,
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prior to get into the NFL under center, this man
has been playing like this. You took him in as
a top ten pick in the draft, and now you
get it, and now you want to change everything about it.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Why?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I mean the whole point of you drafting that's high
is based on everything he does, not the production. But
why change what makes him comfortable? That's like, you draft
him but he was very high, and try to change
him on how he's staying, Like, what are we doing coaching?
That's it? Let him, Let him do what he does.
(01:57):
He's not giving you any indication in which way he's
going by standing straight up none. That's what he liked.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
That's his South and blood.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
The man, Oh Joe, you put him in a conventional stand,
How the hell he gonna see you buy?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
What?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Put him in the downstairs? He already five six? Yeah,
you put him in. Now he fired two. Yeah, the
man stand up so he could just scan the field.
I think he wears a shield, so it's not like
you can see his eyes and see where he's going. Yeah,
I mean it's all about control with him. Man that
that stands wasn't bothering anybody.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
At all at all. Justice just to say, just to
have your imprint on something.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh the coach.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And like I said, Pete Carroll should have said, hey,
Pete should have went to Chips said no, Chip, we'll
leave us stands just like it is.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad he went back to
doing what he liked. And it's funny as soon as
he goes back to doing what he likes, he has
a game like he did even though they did long,
even though they did lose.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Right, But that's that's the look. If that's what's gonna
make him comfortable. Low Hoe running out of that stance
most of the time. Hey, coaches are very superstitious. If
you need a special meal, if you need something, they
make sure.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You have that.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, absolutely, they're gonna make sure you have that.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That man's that stance rush for over two thousand yards,
what twenty five hundred twenty six hundred yards last year
and now all of a sudden he get there that.
How does that impact your play calling because he's standing
up like that, Does it force you to call plays
differently than you would if he's in a conventional stance. No,
it's okay not to have see I don't fault I
(03:33):
don't fault him. I fought Pete Carroll for allowed it
because at the end of the day, he's the offensive coordinator,
Pete Carroll as the head coach, and I've seen head
coaches override offense and defensive coordinators when they did. No,
let him do that, because at the end of the day,
what if I want you to play your absolute best
(03:53):
if standing up in that stance, it's like, oh, you're,
like you said a receiver. Some coaches. If you on
one set, whatever side you are, okay, I want you right.
If you're on the right side, I want your right
leg back. If you on the left side, I want
your left leg. But man, man, leave me the plan.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. If I used
to play, I used to play with my stands, and
I really love the fact that at times I was
giving the freedom to change thing up because you know
they watched film. Yes, skinny, it's always the same place.
If the balls in the middle, you inside edge of
the numbers, if the balls on the left hand, you
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outside edge of the numbers. So I used to play with.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
My spits lot you had you, yes, yes, So I
would play with.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
My spitsive lot so people wouldn't know what I was
doing because it's always on film. So I would just
add something to the offense. But I was always end
up in the same place at the right time. I
got to be there right, and that's what That's what
it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You know. Ay, sometimes you gotta Sometimes you gotta run
a slant. Yeah, you got to switch it up. You gotta.
You can't, you can't, man, he tight.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, well, hell they gonna know sometimes you got Hey, man,
I'm gonna have to bust it. But I can't keep
lining up in this type split and running this shallow
or I can't keep running this type split and running
this speed out because they're gonna pick up on that.
Like you said, they study, they study film. They study
your foot placement, they study your alignment. They study Okay,
(05:18):
oh oh he always he normally always.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Have this footback when he had this footback. Here come
that bang.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So now you put that foot back and you run
the out because he's gonna be looking to drive the band,
the same thing that we do when we see a linebacker.
And he staggered. He switched his stamps. Oh you man,
you coming. You ain't finna dropping no coverage. Man, sharp,
how you know, don't worry about it. I'll tell you
after the game. I ain't going to tell you. I
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ain't to tell you that, so you can change it up.
But yeah, let let the let the young man. Let
the young man prosper and if that's what's gonna help
him be his absolute best takeoff son, Hey, you want
to eat? You want to eat spaghetti for a pre
game take off? If you want to a me. I
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was a French toast old meal guy. That's what I
had in a banw That's what That's what my pregame was. Now,
I ain't posta the night before the game, but some
people like like Poston State before the game.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I don't like that o joll that's too heavy. That's
too heavy.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I need to be like I need that stuff to
be out of my system by the time I get
to the game. But yeah, I think Chip Kelly was
trying to do too much for that. That was that
was totally unnecessary because now let the guy succeed. Oh
Joe Malik Neighbors towards j ACL on Sunday at Met
Life Stadium ending this season, joining a grower list of
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players who suffered major ACL little Kid Achilles injuried in
that stadium, Nick Bosa in twenty twenty, Solomon Thomas in
twenty twenty, Jabrill Peppers in twenty twenty one, one Delle
Robinson in twenty twenty two, Sterling Shepherd in twenty twenty two,
Kyle Fuller in twenty twenty two, Aaron Rodgers in twenty three,
Elite Neighbors in twenty twenty five. This morning, NFLPA interim
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executive Director David White met with the Giants and raised
concerns with playing the playing surface. Per Jonathan Jones, David
White pre planned visitor Giants today, according to the Union sources,
while they, he met with Giants players and John Marr
and raised the issues surrounding Met Life Stadium's turf history.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
White also shared the.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Union's best entrants best wishes tomorrow with his recent cancer diagnosis. Announcement,
more than ninety percent of the players have expressed a
preference for natural grass and surveys and have continued to
ask for it in light of stadiums installing grass for
FIFA next year.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh Jo now you see oho ya you see what?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh Joe, what are they putting in all these stadiums
that the World Cup is coming to?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
What did they putting in there? Ol Joe Taylor? People
home listen.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
You know, especially an event of this magnitude, soccer is
only played once you cross out the States. It is
only played on grass, not just any grass on top
about that beautiful beautiful, very beautiful, beautiful and may.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Be looking looking like a gust of national hunt.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. So I understand that, I understand the players
gripes obviously about the turf, about the grass. I mean,
they prefer and they much rather be playing on grass.
I think for cold weather cities that don't have an enclosure.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's hard now that that would be that would be
an issue. So I remember when playing the Steelers, having
a messed up feel for them. Oh yeah, November, late December.
It was an advantage it was a fantasy having it
having a bad feel. So I mean, if if.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And you know the biggest problem, but NFL games aren't
the only thing that's played in that stadium, tell you,
grass up. You have college games, you have concerts. So
when Beyonce comes or you have motocross, and you have
all these other things that's played in there. You need
something that can stand up because it's hard to pay
(09:12):
for a stadium when you just use it half the year.
So that stadium is getting used year round, especially obviously
not you know, New York. You can't have me. They're
problems not having outdoor events. But let's just say for
the sake of argument, like Jerry's world. See Jerry figured
it out. Guess what they have. They're o YO college
football playoffs. He's trying to get the Oklahoma Texas, the
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Red River rivalry. He's trying to get that there. National
championship games are being played, They're they're doing other things.
They're having concerts, they're having boxing events, they're having other things.
So that's how you make money by having these venues.
And it gets hard. Real grass is hard.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
To care for.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Really hard to care for I mean is literally. I
mean we used to have a real grass and mile
high with some synthetic sewn in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But man Ross was on it.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm talking about as a matter of fact, he used
to work at the Broncos facility. They took him and
he especially now he's in charge of that down there.
He don't do the Broncos stuff. Man, they cutting that
grass every day. They measured the temperature, how much water. Okay,
we gave it to a They cut the sprinklers on
O shoe for ten minutes as opposed to fifteen they
cut it. We cut it too low. It might burn.
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Oh man, there's a science to that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, But you know, look, at the end of the day,
I think they'll sit down. I think they'll come to
some type of resolution and it's like, Okay, what is
in the best interest because we're hurting the product, guys
are getting injured.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You're gonna have to convince.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You're gonna have to be able to show them because
you know, the NFL gonna have their doctors as they
see there isn't a rise. Oh Joe, I'm trying to
I'm if you're trying to save money, I ain't trying
to install grass and then have to install it every three.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Weeks basically is what you're gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Do because you I think Houston and the Cardinals have
that roll like grass. You know what I'm saying, don't
They roll them palace out and then when it's up,
they roll them roll.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Them back up.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see
what what uh uh.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
What comes what comes of this?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I don't know what's gonna come of this, but it
just goes to show you that there is some concern
from the PA standpoint because these are some of some
big names O sho. These ain't just you know, willing
nilly players and uh, we'll see. Like you said, I
I just believe the uh, the owners like man, look
(11:47):
here for the World Cup to put to put us,
you know in the the the influx of money that's
gonna be brought into the community.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Hey you understand how big were you?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah? I do?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Why you why you think everybody in America, everybody in
their mama tried to be it on it. Hell, I
think Atlanta got I think Atlanta got something going on there.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
But the Mercedes Mercedes Benz.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Don't Atlanta, Miami, l A, Mexicansas City, and in Kansas City,
God Dog somewhere.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It's a few more, It's a few I'm gonna be
I'm gonna be in all of them, be at all
of them. Excited.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
You're going Remember I work Remember I worked with I
work with Fox. Yeah, guitar. I was at there for
a whole month. So I'm doing the same thing again.
I can't wait. I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You can't wait for what? So what do you think
you think they go?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You think they go, uhh, switch the turf, or they're
gonna leave it as is.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Probably leave it as is because there's too it's too
much work. There's too much work on that, and and
it's it's it's the kind of work they're going to
cost more.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They're trying to cut costs.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, my point exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Uh, it's gonna be interesting to see how this thing
plays out, because, like I said, look, they're studying it now.
I don't know how much they studied when every I
mean because there before this field turf O Joe, you
either had natural grass or you had artificial turf. There
was no field turf, and then day like this field
turf Okay, this field turf, it's it's more durable. You
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don't have to care for it like you do regular grass.
It's it's durable, so you can play multiple events on it.
You can have multiple things on it, concerts, so you
can have a concert. You can have a concert on
Saturday night, and the thing's gonna be on Friday night
and it'll be ready on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You know what I liked about the turf though, with
that fact that it didn't matter if it was raining,
it didn't matter if it was cold, it didn't matter
if it was hot, it didn't matter if there was
snow on the ground. I was still able to run
full speed and stop on a dime because it's not giving,
it's not going nowhere, and I could I could feel,
I could feel every step if I like that, Not
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that I have nothing going with grass, but I just
liked the fact that's obviously the shoes I were unk
was like a track spike with no cushion, no soul,
no nothing. It was just the shell of a shoe
and a shoelace. So just being able to feel, to me,
I feel as much faster playing on that turf.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I like grass, but you know. I mean, I like
grass on Joe. But you know what, I didn't slept
because I was a heavy planner and I made sure
you know, I was always I always. You know a
lot of times you start slipping when you start I like, bro,
there's a reason why you only got four spikes in
the back and you got.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Seven eight in the front.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So put your damn weight on the front of your
on the ball to your feet, not on your heels.
That's why you slipped it. That should be calm and
said dumb, dumb.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Hey. And another reason I like it is I was
I was so unorthodox and some of the stuff I did,
I could be running the out route, you know, the outrop.
Your outright is on your seventh step, right, Yeah, step
with your outside foot the out route and take an
extra step because I can get the twelve so fast
and do it running out right off my left foot.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So let me ask you a question. Did y'all ten
roll to twelve or you twelve roll to fourteen?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I would always go. I always go from if you're
supposed to roll from ten to twelve, yeah, I would
get the twelve because you know I can plant that
one foot and just flip right away.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
If you playing on your inside foot, no.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I got my right foot right.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Listen, I'm talking about one. You planning on your right foot.
If you're on the left side, you're playing on your
left foot. If you're on the right side, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I can do it. I could do it in one motion,
because if you got a good DV. I'm talking about
a really good DV that said, you know what, I'm
not moving. I'm not finna sit. I'm gonna read the
quarterback the first three steps and get my eyes back
on you and that role. If you roll it from
ten to twelve, he driving ball ain't perfect. He's going
the other way. So I'm not gonna give you no chance.
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I'm getting the twelve, and I'm gonna make sure you
getting up out of there.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh you see? Are you are you going? Are you
going right down the middle or you trying to pick
a shoulder.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
No, I'm staying right down the middle. I'm staying right down.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
The middle, yep.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Because if I weave, a good dude is just gonna
weave right with you. He's just gonna reset everything. So
I don't want to give you no indication. I want
to just I'm gonna stand the straight line, get you
to open. If you open, boom, I'm snapping off in
the end. Right, wanna play ball.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
All right without me? You gotta get him by that
back bell. Look now, they'll call it if you run
it too the guy Now, if he's standing there, don't
want to move you running to him. They're gonna call
it now. Right before, they wouldn't call that because he's like,
he's entired to that ground. Also, that's that's what he's
entitled to that spot. And uh, but you know I'm
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I'm trying to I'm trying to get him to open up. Also, yeah,
I'm trying to get him to open. But for the
most part, the last thing they want to do they
don't want you to step on their toes. They don't
want you to step on their toes because they know
if you step on their toes, it's over for the
nine ball.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's over for the nine ball. Ay.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And the last thing you want to do is, hey, Andy, Oho,
you know you gotta be you coming that like you
he coming this nine ball?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Look at it. Runner.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Hey, I ain't good, I ain't going d I'm playing
my bad, my bad, I ain't mean to d I
ain't mean to dig that hard to get you to
open up, but I had to get you out of
that backber.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I had to. I had to make you move because
if he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Move, Oh, he he gonna drive that.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
He's driving that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And especially it all depends on your how tight you are,
because he knows if you typed the album.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Oh you want some you want some space to run
the out?
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Huh uh huh keep Cleveland Browns have announced that their
third round pick Dylan Gabriel will start Sunday against the
Minnesota Vikings in London.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
When asked about getting Gabriel getting the starting job, it
was literally it literally left your door speechless. Oh, Joe,
let's take a listen to this second.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, let me need that things we use yourself. That's
one more.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
That's what what do you think you got to show
you the show to some coaches? I believe then believes
men to you that you can y'all be ready, it's.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
What team you say?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
How much?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
How much has Joe been important to both of you
and Dylan in terms of your guys like development to
this point?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Man, y'all, Oh Joe, do you like the way your
door handled this press conference.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Absolutely absolutely, because whatever he says, they're gonna twist his words.
If you say nothing, you know, it's really well on
any other team, they have thirty one other other quote
excuse me, they have thirty one other teams. Do any
of those media members talk to the third string quarterback? No, Well,
it's controversy. Why create controversy? How do you not create
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it by when they ask you questions, just don't answer.
You just don't answer. If anything that you could be
talking to Joe Flack or why are you talking to
shador It makes no sense. And I like the way
he handed it because anything he does say, they're gonna
make it a big deal. They going to twist his words.
They canna take it completely out of context. Listen, Dylan
gave us a starter, so be it.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
For me. I mean, it's being reported.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Adam Schefter reported, and some other networks are starting to
report that this was his response to Rex Ryan saying
what he said on the Sunday Show that keep your
mouth closed, move to the front of the.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Class, and X Y and Z Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I guess this was a situation where he's like, Okay,
I should keep my mouth shut. I'm gonna keep my
mouth shut. It's hard for me to believe that the
scenario that he didn't talk to his father. Obviously he
leans very heavily on his father, rightfully, so his dad
has been through things like this where you know, he
says something, and then if he says something, it's one thing.
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If he doesn't say something, it's another thing. So he
took this approach. Look, he's not just any other quarterback,
any other third third string quarterback. You and I both
know if he was any other quarterback and he slid
down where he did, we wouldn't even be having it.
If he was any normal fifth round pick, we wouldn't
even have this discussion. But he's not a fifth round pick,
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So we shouldn't ask ask him to act like a
fifth round pick because that's not what.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We believe he is.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
For me, look, if he had took it, if he
had took the pro say, look, I'm happy for Dylan.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Hopefully he goes out there and plays well.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Joe, I feel bad for Joe, but you know, this
is this is the game of football, This is a
business and a I'm just you know, I'm happy for
Dylan and my job doesn't change. I go out there,
I prepare, uh and if my time, if my number
is called, I'm gonna go out there and give it
everything that possibly got. That's really the only thing that
he can say. Oh Joe, what what's he's What's he
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supposed to say? Now it's a situation. I'm not you know.
We had this conversation and everybody from Cleveland jumped on me.
I said, guys, what are we doing right?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Why?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Why is Joe Flacco here? Yeah, we know fla O
was in Cleveland, was before and then let him go.
He was in Indy and he wasn't let him get
the straight. He wasn't the answer the first time around
in Cleveland. He wasn't the answer in Indy. He wasn't
the answer at the Jets. But now he's going to
be the answer this time around. Joe Flacco hadn't been
the answer since twenty twelve when he won them, when
he took the Ravens to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Go ahead, O, Joe Nigga. I don't think he I
don't think he was the answer. It was more sure
of the short term the shirt. Excuse me, the short
term answer until they're ready to see who's going to
be quarterback number two. We find out who quarterback number
two was, and it was only a matter of time.
Same thing with Russell Wilson and Jackson Dark. Russell Wilson
was the starter. He was, He was a starter for
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for a short time, Like you said, eight weeks or
maybe after. I thought it would have been way. I
thought it had been far beyond that. But obviously we
see what happened. They made a change after week three.
Same concept. I knew, I knew he wasn't going to
be there, being there too long, and I mean, listen,
Dylan Gabriel is now the quarterback. I wish him luck
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and we gonna see. To me, to be honest with you,
I don't think he's the answer. I don't think it's
the answer, and we're gonna find out. Listen, this ain't
the preseason. This ain't the preseason, and the defenses that
you're gonna see now are gonna be a lot more
different than all for sure preseason. So if you can
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have if he can handle the pressure, one of the
things I do like about Dylan Gabriel, and not only
can he throw the ball, he showed that he can
be efficient in the preseason, but he's also a dual threat.
He can use his legs. Slim it to Jackson Dark.
I'm not saying Jackson Dark, but I'm just saying he
had that dual threat capability and being able to extend
plays and throw the ball.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Like if it's funny how we look at things now,
Jameis Winston has a big personality. He's a third string quarterback.
Everybody would have lowed Jamis had he did the exact
same thing, right, I mean, think about it, O Joe. Yeah,
the funny thing that he says and the manner hysms that.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
He has, Yes, this is Jameis. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Absolute, But they have a problem with should do I
don't know how Shu Door wins. If he says something,
he shouldn't have said anything. If he doesn't say anything,
he should have said something. Until he gets on the
field and somebody can say either see I told you
he could play or I told you he couldn't play.
It's gonna be something, O Joe. That's just the way.
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That's just the nature of what it is.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Absolutely, you know, it's it's totally unfortunate too. If it
was any fifth rown pick, he wouldn't be talking about
like this, No, because this would come with that last name.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, this was.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Coming with the order of being a Sanders. It just
it is what it is. Obviously, I feel the Browns
in the organization. Sefanski, obviously the owner himself came out
and said this wasn't my pick, this is not who
I wanted. So the odds are stacked against him. The
car that he dealt, he can have to do his
best job and play in the hand that he has
when that opportunity comes. If it does come, you got
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to come out. You got you got to be prepared.
You got to be prepared, and when you get it,
you got to shut that door behind you.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Look and people say, well, James proved himself what that
he's He's the journeyman quarterback. He threw thirty picks. He
was the last quarterback in the NFL since you got
to go back to Testaverdy in the eighties. Then threw
thirty interceptions. So I'm trying to figure out what did
he improved he took did he take Tampa to did
he take Tampa to the Super Bowl? Because all I
know the team that he left. Tom Brady came in
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the next year and they went to the Super Bowl.
So I'm asking you, guys, you said he proved, what
did he prove if he'd approved? Guess where he'd been
on Joe not to back up in New York. Where
were your being because where where was he last year?
Joe Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, he was in New Orleans before that. Yeah, all
I'm saying, I'm saying the personality matches, we can look
prove prove. Okay, fine, I get your point. Where he
started in the league. He was Rookie of the Year
in the league. You're absolutely correct, But I there are
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a lot of guys that's proved that could Joe Flaco
proved that he could play in the league. Joe Blackoh
won a Super Bowl. He's a Super Bowl MVP. Go
look at Joe Flaco playoff numbers. I mean you would
say that Joe Flacco would have proven more, if you say, improved,
than James. I was just saying the personalities. When we
like somebody, O Jo, we'll tolerate more of their behavior
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than if we don't.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
See we like James James.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Funny man, y'all heard what James saying Japan's funny, James's
gonna have a career media.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, Jamie Jamis is one on one James. There there
isn't another person athlete like him. I think Schador doesn't
have that kind of personality. I think people just don't
like Chador based on the or what he comes with
the name uh Pops as well some of the things
Dion made have said in the past. People that like
Dion's so any any ill will towards Dion and just
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overflowing onto a son as well. For me, you ignore it,
especially as as as your door, you ignore it. You've
been You've been prepared for this moment. You had to
deal all your life. Now it's come to a head.
You at the last stop. You reached the pinnacle your
childhood dream of being on an NFL team. You're not
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the starter, but you have an opportunity to be the starter,
and sometimes if things don't go well, you just need
to make sure you are prepared when the opportunity presents itself.
And that's pretty much it. All the noise, block all
that out, man, block all that out.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's just unusual to see the starter get benched.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And well, I guess it's it's common because when when
Russ got bnched, Jackson Dark came in the start and
Russell went to the backup, right, So I guess it's
not an unusual as we might think it. Ill you're like, well,
hold on, Flaco got benched, should do it was already third.
Shouldn't everybody just like move up a spot and the
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guy jumps back. But that's seemingly not how they did it,
because Brian Dabas said that Jackson Dark would start the
rest of the season and Russ will serve at his
backup in James stage where jamis is. Yeah, and I don't,
I guess it's common.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I don't really know, Ojo, But it seemed like this
is the same thing Joe Flacco lost his job. The
guy that was backing up Joe Flacco moves to the
starter and Flako moved to number two.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
And the third quarterbacks exactly where he was.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Absolutely, I think the thing is until Shador gets on
the field, improved or disproved.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
What the ojo is fifty.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I mean, I want to play he's two cocky, he's
too this, he does this, and he does that.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The matter rhythm.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Until he's on the field, until he plays. It's the chatter.
The noise is not going to stop.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Are you muted.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Me?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
He ain't said nothing. I can't hear him.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You can't hear me?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Or just me?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, that's you I'm talking to You can't hear me?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Not?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Hey, can you see my muscles? You see my muscles? Hey? Chat?
Can you see my muscles?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Okay, there you go. You got me?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Not yeah, I got you? Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
That was me okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I can.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
But but it's it's a situation, O Joe. People want
to see him succeeded. They want to see him fail,
but they want to see him on the field. That's
when it comes That's what it comes down to, O Joe.
I want to see him on the field, and I
want to see him sink or swim. That's what it
comes down to. Because all this talk, well, he shouldn't
have been this, or he shouldn't have been that. Now
he's gonna either prove a camp right or he's gonna
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be proven wrong. But they want to say, Okay, we'll
see now. That's why he's led to the fifth round. Man,
I don't know how y'all see how he's playing. He
should have never been in the sixth round. I mean
it's the fifth round. You don't know. I'm sure he
talked to his dad. His dad like, look, son, if
it was me, you handle it. You're your own guy,
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You're your own man. But Rex said, I don't know
exactly how. I don't want to misquote, but I think
he said something to the fact, why are you talking
because it's the same situation. And here's where he's gonna
get beat up at if he doesn't go playing and
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he doesn't play well. Oh Joe, Remember he said he
can play better than some of the starting quarterbacks right now,
That's what got Lebron in trouble with Bronnie. Bronnie was
in high school or Bronni was in college, and he
bron said, Bronni is better than some NBA players currently.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
You put a huge target.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I get it when you tell you know, you believe
in your son, and you should believe in your son.
But when you put it out there like that, Ojo, man,
you're you're you're asking you're asking for a lot of criticism.
Should we be surprised that he's the he was name starter.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
No, I mean, he was a number two. It shouldn't
be a surprise at all. You shouldn't be a surprised
at all he was. He Listen, mister Fancy came out
before the season started and said that Dylan Gabriel will
be the number two quarterback. I mean, that's what it is.
That's what it is. So we knew that whatever point
things weren't going well for Flaco, Dylan Gabriel will be
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the next man up. Now things don't go well with
Dylan Gabriel, I don't know what's gonna happen from that point.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
On that that feet, that's where I was going next.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You're right, Ojo, because it was reported that Gabriel was
getting first team reps along with Flacco its earliest training camp.
So he was getting first team reps. Flacco was getting
first team reps. And who's the court of the.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Quarterback, uh damn from.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
The Steelers Kenny Pickett, Yeah, Kenny, yeah, Picket. So those
guys were getting first team reps. Shoulder wasn't getting those reps.
So I agree, we shouldn't be surprised. The question that
I have for you if Gabriel struggles, now, what do
we do? Do they go back to black or they say, oh,
do they give your door an opportunity?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I'm not sure. And knowing the game, understanding the business
and knowing how the business works, I think they will
probably go back to Flacco. I think they would go
back to flack On if things don't work out again
and Flacco is still not successful when he returns back
to the field, then I think Shadu will get his
shot somewhere on the back half of the season.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh, Joe, let me ask you a question. Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
If you think Shauder knew what he knew now, you
think he goes back to Colorado boards last year.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
If he knew what he knows now, if he knows
what he knows.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Now hindsight, Yeah, probably so. Probably so I think so too,
I would think. But there's no possible way. There's no
possible way, Ojo. There is not a scenario that anybody thought. Okay,
let's just say, O Joe, he's not the first pick,
he's not a top five, he's not a top ten.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Let's just say you know what, oo, because you're not
having this conversation. Yeah, let's just say that he's not
a first round pick. Thirty two players gonna be selected
in the first round, right, Ain't no way he thought
he'd be a fifth round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
No, absolutely not, absolutely not not no. And some people
listen to some people to say, well, he wasn't that good.
He was mad, he would listen. He can play the
quarterback position. He can play the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
He does.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He's not a dual threat, but what he lacks in
his ability to run the ball he makes up in
other areas. He has other intangibles that makes him a
quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start
on an NFL team. And until he gets the opportunity
to approve he can do just that, we're gonna have
to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
He should apply for a hardship for COVID. I would say,
I would say I would to go back and play.
You're right, I mean, there's really like no way to
really know. I mean, hell, I didn't somebody would have
told me I was gonna be a self ride draft pick.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I say, you ought your damn mind. Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
The number I was the number one rated, one of
the number one rated players below Division one. So I'm like, Okay,
I ain't gonna go to the first round, but somebody
tell me I'm gonna be I'm not gonna be a
top third round, a top three round pick.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Please let me let me tell you something. You've been
around a long time. I've been around long enough to
understand that business and how that business worst. Yeah, anything
they don't like about you before you get there, they
will find a way to humble you. They will find
him to humble you. And when your opportunity does present itself,
or you gotta knock that goddamn though down and close
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it behind you, because you're not gonna get very many opportunities,
especially if they don't like you.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I would have, yeah, I would have. I agree with you, Ochoe,
because my brother used to tell me all the time.
I said, man, you know I've been training camp, Ojoe.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And I'll be like, man, i ain't getting no reugh today,
or I'll be in practice. You know, once I made
a team, he said, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
He said.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
One day, John Elwire gonna call on you, he say,
just make sure when he called your number.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Ready, Gotta be ready, he said.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And and I think The thing.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
That really helped me, O Joe, is that he told me.
He said, t you can, you could, you could be
good in this league. He said, there ain't a whole
lot of he ain't a whole lot of can do
what you do now, he said, just keep working, you know,
just keep working hard. I don't know why that man
took a liking to me. I don't know, Joe, I
don't know why, but I mean for him and Gary
Kubiak Koubiak. Cool was the backup when I was different.
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When I first got there in ninety ninety one. Hey,
Cool used to pull me to the side. Now that's
when you know somebody really take a liking to you.
He pulled me to the side, he say, he would
show me. He say, hey, now you're gonna be here
on this, this and this. You know what you got Now,
they're gonna be in this coverage you run this, You're
gonna be on that coverage you run that. Oh Joe,
I'll I'll be out there doing like I'm doing that,
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like okay, good job, good job shop.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Hey you know what else?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
You know they'd be like, oh, oh Joe, they be like,
good job shop. That's what I'm talking about. That's what
I'm talking about. Getting your playbook, man cool told me everything.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
You know what else, when I think about it, when
I think about some of the things the fancy said,
when I think about some of the things the owner said,
they baiting me to a little bit too. They bait me.
When you go to the Army, when you go to
the Marines, when you go to the Navy, any of
those places where it's a structuring environment, what's the one
thing they try to do to make sure to see
if you're if you're ready, or you're worthy.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
But they're gonna try to break you down.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Trying to break you. They're trying to theyre trying to
break you. He cannot break, you cannot fold, you cannot
last out.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Hell, No, I can come there for hell now can do.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
None of that. You got to stay the course. You
got to stay the course and focus on the end
goal and prepare for that opportunity because it's gonna come. Yeah,
It's definitely gonna come.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Man O Joe, Look, I'm gonna share this story with you.
I've I won't shared it one time, and I shared
it with when I spoke at Coach Reeve's funeral. I
was the only His wife called me and ask would
I speak? Now, you got to realize all the people
that he played with. Coach Reeves played the league, he
played on the coach Landry, all the coaches he coached.
(37:57):
He was off of the coordinated with the Cowboys. He
was the head coat to the Broncos. He was the
head coach of the Giants. He was the head coach
of the Falcons. He asked me to She asked me
to speak. I didn't know until like she told me,
but she said channel would be a huge honor if
(38:19):
you were to speak at Dan. I was like, I'm like,
are you sure? Like She's like, I'm sure. She said, Shannon,
you was always his favorite. He said you worked so hard.
He'd said he saw how you came in and what
you worked and turned yourself into. He was just so proud.
So I'm sure he would be honored if you spoke,
(38:43):
Oh Jo. Every Sunday, Coach Reeves would ask seven or
eight of us what we had on a certain plate.
God hones truth. Every time he would call on me,
he would already have sawt me. He would tell me
he was step out in the hall. He would tell me,
(39:03):
I'm going to ask you this, this is what you
need to say, said like this, and I'm like, why
he ain't doing that for nobody else?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
He's not. That's why it hurt me so bad. O Joe.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
When he got fired, I said, had I became because
he got fired to year I made my first Pro Bowl,
I led the team and receive it.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It hurt me so bad.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I said, if I had only become what I later
became in ninety three through ninety eight, ain't no way
coach reeves get fired.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So that's why it hurt me. Because he invested so
much in me.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
He believed in me, he did, he drafted me, somehow
lost this damn mind and forgot to cut me. And
for him, John and Cool and coach reeve to take
that kind of time, I promise you. And I don't know,
you don't quote me on this. It's hard for me
to believe that a head coach is taking that kind
(40:08):
of interest in a seventh round draft pick in today's game.
It's hard for me to believe John Elway the number
one pick in the nineteen eighty three draft, or he
was a pro bowler, he was an All Pro, he
was an MVV had gone to three Super Bowls. It's
taking that kind of liking in a seventh round draft pick.
Gary Kobak, who is the backup, is taking that kind
(40:28):
of liking. Oh, Joe, I ain't have no choice. It's
like my grandmother when she put when she took my
mom's three in after raising hers. I ain't have no choice.
Oh Yo, How could I let these people down that
had invested so much in me, that believed in me?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
How I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Man, I got in a playbook. Hey, every night I'm
going home, I said, I'm gonna know everything. It became
second nature. It became I knew, I knew what I
had to do. It's hard to check this out on Yeah,
the tight end is normally.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Uh why Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
And Dan's offense, he's ex x yes, because coach Landry
was a defensive coordinator. So everything is backwards. One three
five is to the right, two four.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Six eight is to the left. Yes, So if it's backwards,
that's not Z that's a wing X why.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Wing three hy dig tight end is the x O
choe tight end? Ben why his whole life? Two four
six say you've been to the right, your whole life
one three, five sevent is to the LEFTO. Now you
got verbage, Oh Joe, I came from the round tree
six five, three to seven.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
But what you mean.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Fifty two doubles slang is special? What I got?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I ain't never heard nothing like that. Oh man, geez,
my mind was with spinning, Ojoe. I just want to
know what is it gonna take. What do you believe
it will take for your dor to get an opportunity
to start this season? Because this is because if he
(42:36):
doesn't start this season, Oh Joe, the whole purpose of
him not going to Baltimore, And it's reported that there
were another team the Eagles also thought about selecting him.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
He said, no, I don't want to play behind her.
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
It wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys
like that. But you talk about a guy like James
Hurst is very doable. He doesn't miss time, Lamar.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
You're not seeing the field. You're not seeing the field
at old places. Now the opportunity to play what happens.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
If he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Hey, that's that's one I don't know, and that's what
I'm not understanding, but if he doesn't see the field
this year for Cleveland being at there. They have shortcomings
with Flaco and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel, then
that's my practice on ownership. It might be a point
we have no choice but to put him in there,
(43:31):
because not only is the team gonna call for him,
the fans in the media gonna call for him as well.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I definitely think the fans gonna be calling for if
Gabriel doesn't play well, right, I mean, look, just don't
turn the ball over.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Just don't just keep your defense off the field for
damn for thirty five forty minutes.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm not asking you to be a world beater, but
if you can give your defense, or if you can
score enough and keep the defense off the field, but
they're not playing thirty five forty minutes, you got to
you gonna have a chance. Yeah, you're gonna have a
chance to defense plenty good enough, but not if you
wear them down. Yep, So we'll see. Oh Joe Dnni
(44:17):
Gabriel made an interesting comment yesterday when talking about becoming
Brown's new queak QB one.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Let's take a listen to what Gabriel had to say.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
I smile because it's like a moment you prep for
and you are extremely excited for, but also got to
realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued
to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time,
you know you're gonna wait a whole lifetime. So for me,
I'm just I've always been ready for every moment.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Wait for the perfect time. You'll be waiting a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
I like that because when you're doing good moments and opportunities,
sometimes the ideal situation is never perfect.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Hm hmm.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
It's never perfect. The ideal situation that you envisioned ahead
to get the opportunity, it never going to be how
you envision it. And that's exactly what it is. Sometimes
their adversity, sometimes they are obstacles that you have to
climb to get said opportunities.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
And for him, it hasn't been perfect. Hey man, my life,
My life just went out.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I don't think he was talking about him waiting a lifetime.
The reports didn't come out that he's told the team
not to draft him.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I don't, Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't, I don't.
I don't coincide, But he said and having to do
anything with with twelve.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah, no, it's hard to even No, not even close,
not even close. Nah, not even close. That's in a
sense that would be reached, that would be almost be
reaching a little bit. That that's to me.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
So, but I'm trying to figure out how why would
he say, if you wait for the perfect time, you
have to wait a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Well, come on, and I just ask you listen, we can't,
we can't. That's his words. That's that's what he came
up with. That might be a sandy I don't know.
I don't know, but I still don't. I don't coincide
what he's saying and having to do anything.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
But it should do it. I look, is it ever
gonna be perfect?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
On?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
I mean, all things being equal, you like for the
Dolphins to draft you all things is like, man, let
me go home.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I want to play for the.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Dolphins, or I want to go play with somebody got
a quarterback, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Look, and I get it.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Quarterbacks are different because normally you get a quarterback and
he's good, he gonna be there for a period of time,
and you got the you know, you got to.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Wait and hope everything happened. I mean I did. Let
me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Ideally, yeah, you think Tom Brady and give him the
choice wanted to go to New England after they had
just given made Drew bleded So the highest paid quarterback
in the NFL. He had just signed a six year one.
You think that was the ideal situation for Tom blood Brady.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
What happened.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
He got hurt, Drew got hurt, she got hurt. And
guess what happened was an ideal situation and it wasn't perfect.
He made an idea bingo and the same thing. Same
Joe Flacco's not playing well. Not the ideal situation, because
maybe the ideal situation is I've drafted the third round
(47:36):
and I beat Joe Flacko out in training camp and
I'm the start of week one. That's the ideal, perfect situation.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I don't believe there.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I don't believe there was gonna let anybody look, if
it's been reported they wanted Kenny Pickett to win the
job and Gabriel b Seca should do it be third.
I don't ever think there was gonna be a situation.
Oh Joe, that a rookie was gonna beat Joe FLACKO out.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
I didn't either, based on I didn't either. But again,
the way to go on who you start with. You
start with the veteran who has experience, and when the
bottom falls out, then you make a change. The bottom
fell out. They made a change, right, man.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Should a guy could have told him the bottle was
gonna fall out. Yeah, at some point the bucket was rusty. Anyway,
you talked about the bottom fell out there, the bucket rusty,
But then you think it was gonna happen to the bottom. Look,
at the end of the day, Shoudor needed to make
the best decision for him. You might not agree with
what he did. He should just be happy that somebody
(48:39):
was gonna take him X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
I get it on you. I get all I do.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I honestly get all of that because normally when we
come out, O Joe were just happy to get drafted.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Really I am.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I didn't get careing about it, man, the big really,
the Bengals, the Patriots, the Colts, anybody could have drafted me.
I got drafted to the NFL. That was the start
of the journey. Yeah, I mean sometimes people get drafted.
Oh they said, oh yeah, no, bro, your journey just started.
You ain't never been to the NFL. I don't know
if your My My dream was not to just get
(49:08):
was not to be drafted. My dream was get to
the NFL and play. Being drafted is just half the process.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Also, you have to think, now, let let's let's let's
let's let's let's use a little my chances. If I'm
sure doer, I don't want to go to Baltimore. You
ain't finna see the field. You're not seeing the field
for the next ten one, two, three, four, five fifty,
the next ten eleven years. It's gonna be Amar Jackson show.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I know a guy that went to New England when
Tom Brady was at his APEX, named Jimmy Garoppolo. Played
a few games, played good enough, and then what happened
on Yo, Tell the people at home that don't know
that wasn't around when Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the
New England Patriots and Tom Brady got suspended. Cause we
never know because there's only been one omnipotent one. Yeah,
(50:00):
be all knowing, Yes, Tell the people at home. What
happened Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the New England Patriots.
There's an unperceived that we couldnt have possibly known. Tell
the people, I want you to take the store over
from there.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Hold on, I forgot the story. You got to bring
me up to speed.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Jimmy Garoppolo gets drafted to the New England Patriots. Tom
Brady gets suspended for four games. Jimmy Garoppolo played well
enough to say, guess what happened, O Joe? Yeah, Farty
nine Ers traded a second round pick to get Jimmy
g Okay. Now Lamar Jackson is hurt. If your George
Sanders is there, guess who's gonna get in the game
right now?
Speaker 2 (50:40):
O Choe, she do it, Sanders.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
If you play well enough, because you know you're not
gonna keep the job from Lamar Jackson, you play well enough,
guess what happens, oh Choe?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Tell the people what could possible happen?
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah? You could probably get traded somebody willing to give
up picks for him.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Tada, and you get you get to a situation that
you always wanted because you go ahead.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Or the cars that you're with depth, I'm gonna take
my chances going somewhere else. I'm gonna take my chances going.
But let me stay with me.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Now, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I'm gonna take my chances going somewhere else where. The
odds stacked against me, those obstacles and those hurdles, that
adversity that I've always had to overcome in life, I'm
gonna I'm gonna do it the hard way, I guess,
and wait my turn. Because what he's gonna get his opportunity?
Speaker 1 (51:34):
You guess what else is stacked against you? What's that
the talent in Cleveland versus the talent in Baltimore. Yeah,
because when Jimmy Garoppolo went to New England, Guess who
you're throwing to? Danny Avindola. Guess who helped Julian Edelman? Yes,
who helped Rob Gronkowski. Guess who he would be handing
the ball off to.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Jack Henry.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Guess who he'd be throwing to Mark Andrews. Guess who else?
Rashad Bateman. Guess who else? May Flowers?
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Eight flowers?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Oh, now, let me ask you another question.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Who would you rather be throwing the ball to the
guys in Cleveland or the guys in Baltimore, Who would
you rather hand the ball off to dar hear me
or the guy in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
I'm just asking. I don't know. I mean, you might
like I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
It sound good, that would be the ideal situation. But
what did what did Dylan Gabriel just say? I don't
have the ideal situation. The situation I mean was not perfect.
But when the opportunity can hold on, hold up? Can
we rewrite that and play that again? Can we rewright?
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Because it's like a moment you prep for and you
are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that
it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to harp on.
But you wait for the perfect time, you know you're
gonna wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just
I've always been ready for every moment.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
If you wait for the perfect time, so I'm sure do.
And I'm in Baltimore, so I'm waiting on Lamar to
get hurt, because that's what.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
You waiting for. In what you're waiting for in Cleveland,
you waiting for Joe Flack or to mess up.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
So either way, whichever place you go to, you're still
waiting on the perfect time, You still waiting on the
ideal situation where you can get in there and do
what you do regardless to what's surrounding you. You still
got to do what you got to do right. And
for one, you know what you know it's funny is
you can focus on what's around you. You can only
focus on what you need to do right. To do
(53:30):
what you need to do, regardless of whether you have
a great supporting cast or not, whether I got Derek
Herry or not, whether I got Dave Flowers or I
got goddamn God damn Derek Henry in the background. I
got to do what I got to do. And handing
the ball off the Justkins Junkins, right, Junkins, Night Junkins, Yeah, Junkins.
I got to get the ball to Jerry Jerry Judy.
I got to get the ball to Unjoku whatever. I
(53:52):
got to work with that hand I got, Well, when
you play black jack, they kill your hand, right, I'm
trying to beat the dealer.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I got to work with what I got.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
I guess I got, man, you gave me fourteen. I
guess what you got, you got a nine.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I got to hit it.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Hey, that's the beautiful Hey, that's the beautiful thing about
life though, hungh that it is. Think about life, right.
We all envision getting the perfect hand, but sometimes the
car that God dealers they ain't perfect. But he ain't
gonna give us twenty one every time.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
No, And sometimes you might have twenty one and the
dealer got twenty one and you'd be like, and you
didn't take no insurance out.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Hey, it's not that it's a push.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Or you got to Oh you're like, oh, yeah, I
got twenty and then he flip over black jack. So
you're right, there are there are no Look, there are
no perfect scenarios.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
We make whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
We make the best out because there have been times
a you got a you got a you got hen,
you get three, you get a five, you get another three.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Twenty one?
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, like, damn, I don't know how I got I
don't know how I made that hand. Yeah, And that's
what you're doing is gonna have to do. Okay, he's
gonna have to wait a couple more weeks.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Uh uh.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Bill and Gabriel is in there now, and they're gonna
give it. They're gonna give him, you know, three to
five weeks.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Yeah, Hey, this I hope. I hope he does well.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Look I could, I couldn't wish bad on Joe. I've
been in that situation. No, Joe, I was the third
hold on clans k orson Berger. I was a four
tight end.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
O Joe got four. Every tight end on the roster
got hurt.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Hold On, you was four fourth. First of all, I
was first of all, I was a receive. I was
the fifth receiver. So this one, I was the fifth receiver. Yes, Phil,
and you are sorry. Hey, I was a special team
man on special teams, do Joe.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
That's not my job.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Hey, hey, give them a good look at practice, right,
special teams go down there and do what I need
to do. Yeah, how everybody? All the tight ends get hurt. Yeah,
I'm the biggest wide receiver. But at that point in time,
on Joe, I'm already down.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
I came in.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
I weighed two twenty one by that time, I'm like,
to twelve, what tight end? You? What wide receiver?
Speaker 4 (56:24):
You know?
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Yo can go play tighty even in today's game when
they don't really block like that, and to twelve it.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Is very undersized. Hell, I did ship when I came
in twelve.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
So it was a situation like and when Daddy send
for me to come talk to dam and I think
I'm gonna get cut and coach call you. They say, hey,
Dan want to see you in his office and you
just had a meeting.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
What's the matter.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
I'm gonna tell what I'm gonna tell Libby what I'm
gonna tell Damn. Everybody their back and just oho everything
going through my Hey.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah, I know that I know them ends and back
home will be Yeah, I told you I know he
was gonna last long. How he could tell I was nervous,
so Joe, I'm I said, coach, Hey, Shannon, come on in.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
No, I'm good. I can hear you out here. Hey
he said, uh, he said, uh, what do you think
about switching positions? Uh?
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Thinking about moving the tight end? I said, okay, he
said uh. I said, you're gonna throw me the ball.
He's like, yeah, you know you gotta learn to play,
but yeah, we'll get We'll get you the ball. I said, okay, O,
your heart your my heart were beating so fast. So hey,
(57:53):
now I ain't any why I receive with meeting with
the tight end.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Tight ends, Yeah, and just like that.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
Halfway through the season Boom as an interview, Oyoe, when
you were five and eleven that year, he say, hey, coach,
coach retail. I go to his office. He said, you
did really good, but hey, need you to get a
little stronger, put a little weight on. Hey, we think
you could be really good. We think you can be
really good. Like man, I was okay, bad oh jo bad?
Speaker 2 (58:27):
I hit the wait.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
So that's what a your door. I don't know when
this opportunity is going to present itself.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
When it presents itself, and I'm sure your father has
told you this, when the opportunity presents itself. Sometimes, when
opportunity presents itself, Oh Joe, grumblers complain about the noise.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Don't worry about it. Seize the moment.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Bro, What that was you said, opportunity when it knocks.
Grumbler complains about the noise. Man, that's opportunity gone, worry
about it. Hold on you a Sanders, realize that hang
your hat on that. All these fails go back.
Speaker 3 (59:15):
Who am I?
Speaker 2 (59:16):
What am I? How did I become this? Where did
I come from? Hey?
Speaker 3 (59:22):
Boy, that was a good one there brought When opportunity
presents itselves brumbles.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
An opportunity knocks.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
Oh yeah, knock knock, knock, knock, knock.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Who knocking on my door? What you want? That was
opportunity knock it. You're complaining about the noise.
Speaker 3 (59:37):
M who. That's tough on. Hey, that's like a battle
wrap bar right there. Mm hmmm. I'm gonna use that.
I'm gonna use yeah,
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