December 9, 2025 • 57 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the Best of NFL Week 14! Unc and Ocho blast Kevin Stefanski for pulling Shedeur Sanders in crucial moments during the Browns’ loss to the Titans. The guys also debate whether the Chiefs dynasty is officially nearing its end and react to Jalen Hurts 5 TO game in Overtime.
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0:00 - Chiefs Dynasty officially over after Texans loss?13:51 - Questionable coaching SPOILS Shedeur Sanders career day32:31 - Chargers Def. Eagles in OT, Hurts throws 4 INT47:39- Packers win thriller versus Bears54:20 - Seahawks dominate Falcons
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The Houston Texas beat the Kansas City chief by the
score of twenty to ten. Patrick Mahomes through three interceptions
as Kansas City playoffs hopes continue to fade. He was
fourteen of thirty three under fifty percent completion, only one
hundred and sixty yards, no touchdowns, three interceptions, was sacked twice.
He didn't get much help from his receiving corps. Tayekwon
(00:27):
Thornton dropped the touchdown. Travis Kelcey dropped two plays on
that left final drive OHO, and then one of them
got picked Ye. Rashid Rice dropped a huge fourth down.
He got little Petrick. I think I think that thing
kind of jarred him a little bit. I don't think
he was all the way back OHO because Petre dropped
the boom on him. He did, he dropped the boom
on him. He was totally relaxed. But the Texas did
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an unbelievable job. They got after the quarterback tonight and
they forced him be shut down. I mean they had
twin but Mahomes with the leading rushing with a seven
carriage for fifty nine yards. But OJO watching this game
and you see the Houston Texans and what they were
able to do. They go in the arrowhead, they get
this victory, stay attached to the Jacksonville Jaguars who leaves
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that division. Yes, they needed this victory in order to
try to gain some footing, get into the playoff hunt
and potentially chase down the Jags.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But what did you like about what you saw from
the Houston Texans?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Listen, the Texan got it done. What I didn't like
obviously they didn't make enough adjustments for me, especially offensively.
One trip mcduffiely went out. You knew that that Spagnola
had to bring pressure. Now with them bringing pressure, I
got tired of seeing CJ. Stroud run for his life
and they make no adjustments offensively. Obviously, I would think,
if you know they're blitzing every time, stop running plays
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where the plays take long to develop. Just go quick
game if anything, do things, you know, misdirection, you know,
get them, get them going one way and come back
the oppice way with something something else. But just SEEINGJ.
Stroud run for his life. But they were able to
make some plays even with that pressure, and they the
back end was exposed. Obviously that Gonda happened once. Once
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you do blitz and outside of that, the defense. The
defense won that game. The defense for the Houston Texans
won that game for them. I'm not sure what's wrong
with the Kansas City Chiefs. They lost what five of
the for the last five or some some something like that.
They just don't look the same. Obviously, they have a
great run. They've had a great run, and probably even
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though they have fifteen who probably is arguably one of
the greatest, not maybe the second greatest quarterback of all time,
this year just hasn't been it for them at all.
Everyone is healthy now offensively, Everyone is healthy now offensively,
and they let they let pack mahomes down. Rashid Rice,
Hollywood Brown, he made some plays. Kelsey, he did, he did.
He looks almost like a shell of himself.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He didn't play well.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's cold when you get you know, when you're older,
it's cold young.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That ain't no excuse. You know that you have to
adapt to the elements. You got to adapt to that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
There's the reason why own people moved to Parider in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Hold on, hold on, we've been catching football's all.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
We've been thirty six all our life. We've been thirty
seven all our life. We have been forty all our life.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Listen, listen to me. Listen to me real quick. All
you use your eyes in your hands. That's all it
come down to. You could be sixty years old, your
eyes in your hands. That don't never failure regardless of
how old you get. But the Houston Texas, that god
damn defense on or they can get out of the quarterback.
They got the back in the back in man. The
bloom Boys played very well. They played very well. So
(03:33):
I'm glad to see the Texans win. They've won the
last four of their last five games, so it seems
like they're ascending right now. While the Kansas cy Chiefs
are descending.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They are.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Like I said, Tyekwon Thornton had to touch down his hands.
He dropped that great play by last, great great play
to not give up by laughter, to continue to fight
all the way through the catch. Yes, Rashid Rice had
a couple of drops. Travis had a couple of drops.
We know that the offensive line has beat the hell
the left tackle comes in and he gets out. Now
you're going against You're going with an undrafted left tackle
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against Danil Hunter and Will Anderson Jr. That's not a
recipe for success. But I thought he played really really
well tonight. The offensive line is not, you know, the best.
I mean, think about it. You're starting left tacklers out,
your backup, left tacklers out. You're starting all pro right guard,
he's out. You're starting right tackle, he's out. So think
about it. You're down, You're probably you're down to your backups,
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to your backups, And at some point in time, you
keep saying next man, next man up, next man up. Well,
the next man up need to be making the equivalent
of the guy that he's replacing. Because if you say,
I got a guy that's making fifteen million, and then
you bring a guy in four hundred thousand, there's a
reason why one guy's making fifteen million, Oh Joe, there's
a reason why one guy's making four hundred thousand. So
we got read this notion, Oh man man, next man up,
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there's a reason why he was down to begin with. Yeah, yeah,
I disagree with the call to Andy made because out
of a premium back this point in time, to scores
ten to ten, we're late in the ball game, O Joe,
I will punt the ball because at that point in time,
the Texans hadn't done anything in the second half. I
think they might have might have had fifty yards in
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the second half. For the longest time they were negative yards.
Kansas City's defensive honed in spags had done a great
job of dolling it up, stopping your run on first down,
getting out the CJ.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Stroud, getting him off its mark.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
In that situation, I disagree with Andy, and I don't
like to disagree with Andy because I think he's one
hell of a coach and his residence speaks for itself.
But in a game like this, what points they out
a premium? I don't want to do it. If they
do nothing offensively, they're in field goal range. Yeah, I
can't make that call. Oh Joe, I gotta punt this
ball away. I understand. I got Patrick Mahomes, and I
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understand he wants to go up and go for it.
Go for every quarterback you're gonna want to go with Ellie,
he gonna want to go for it on fourth and ten,
fourth and twelve. But sometimes you got to use your
better part. You gotta use your judgment, and like, you
know what, let's punt this ball, Let's make let's forst
this to make a mistake. Let's not give them a gift.
And I felt that's what they did, and that was
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really the difference in the ball game. But like I said,
these guys, I mean Mahomes were a little off. I
mean he had great That's a hard plage to defend,
and you not talked about it with a running back.
You see Marx he called a touchdown. He pretend like
he was gonna walk. He slipped out. C J. Flipps
it to him because that's the guy that has the man. Well,
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he's coming on the blitz. I ain't standing in the
block him. I'm just gonna slip him and get to
the flats. You see the guys a lot of times,
those tight ends will be on the line. They're helping,
helping everybody sinking. Now they drift out. The only thing
I would tell, no, keep it up the field. Why
are you going to get a headache. Did you see
that linebacker drifting that way? Now, Mahmes threw a terrible pass.
I would prefer you leak up the field and give
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yourself some room so you don't run into that headache
that's in that middle linebacker that's waiting on you. But
to make a long story short, and I know I went.
I made a short story long. The Chiefs are be
very good this year.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
No, absolutely not. And honestly, Mahomes is fourteen for thirty three,
he had three interceptions. He only threw for one sixty
to night Exeue Worthy had three to fifty five. And
I'm not mistaken he might have been their leading receiver.
The fact that Patch Mahomes with a leading rusher, then
you're not that's not gonna win you many games. That's
not gonna win you many games. You have to have
some type of balance. They were one dementum tonight for
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the simple fact that they couldn't run the ball. They
haven't been able to run the ball all seon long, honestly, And.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
That's why Joe I felt that they should have gave
up the second round pick, or maybe even a first round.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Pick for a Chan.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Because is there a back that's coming out in the
draft that you believe that's better than a Chan that
can run the ball between the tackles, can hit his
head on the goal post, can catch the ball out
of the backfield. Because I mean, for Checko, I mean,
Lord have mercy, he get a hold, he runs right
up the lineman's back, I'm like, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You look?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, and Kareem he I'm glad to see him back.
But he's basically a power back hei the three yard
the cloud of dust guy. He's not a guy that
you can consistently give the ball to and you hoped
him to break something big. That's not what he is
right now. He's a two to three yard a carry guy.
That's what he is, oh Joe, And there's nothing wrong
with that. There's that place for that guy that you
know he can get you very very tough yards. The
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initial the first guy normally doesn't bring him down. But
they need they need playmakers. They need guys that can
help Patrick Mahomes out because at this juncture, he can't
do I mean, he can't do any more than what
he's doing.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He can't. He can't.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I mean, guys got to and when your quarterback, and
that's the thing, when your quarterback isn't playing well, you
need guys that can step up in plays.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And he didn't get any help tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No he didn't. And the playmaker that we're speaking of, honestly,
I think as far as the receiver, receivers are receivers
are concerned. I think they're set there, but Patrick Mahomes
has to stop running the ball so much. They need
a premium. Felt like when when I think about Breese Hall,
I think Breese Hall might have had a chance to
go there before before the deadline for trade for trades
(09:01):
that would have been perfect for them. That would have
been perfect for them. So a running back like a
Jamior Gibbs, I'm saying, I'm not saying there's another Jamior Gibbs,
somebody like, Yeah, yeah, a chan a running back like
that that that can actually hit his head off the
goal post from anywhere, and every time he does get
the ball, you're the chance that something could happen.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That takes some of the pressure off of the Homes
not having to do so much with his arm all
the time, and always happened to be superman and make
the plays.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
A yeah, because the thing is oh yo sometimes that
you know, in the West Coast system, the short passing
game is an extension of the run. They need the run.
They don't need an extension of the run. They need
to be able to run the football, and right now
they can't. Now the offensive line is beat to hell,
and we understand that because you know your right tackle
is out, your left tackle went out, the guy that
replaced him went out. So now you're down to your
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third guy at tackle and who's an undrafted free agent.
Now your right guard is out. Now you're down to
your back up at right guard. So it's tough. It's tough.
It's really tough. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, I have a question. I don't know why. His
name is sip in my mind right now. The running
back they used to play for the Candy Kansas City
Chiefs towards a c L. But before he towards a
cl he was fast.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Jamal Charles, Jamal Charles.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
They that's what they need. They need another Jamal Charles
or somebody like that. I mean, man, listen, Jamal get
that ball. If he hit that edge, you get to
that second level, you might, you might. The fat lady
might as well sing. They need something like that. There's
nothing like that in the draft.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So whoever, and whatever they do get, it has to
be an off season acquisition. I have a good one
for you right now. I think they need to do
whatever whatever they need to do in the off season.
They need to go get the album. Ka, they need
to go.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
No, not this, not at this junk of his career.
Too many catches, too many carriers on that body. He's
not that guy anymore. He's serviceable, but he's not that Ojo.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Uh, he's much easier. I'm gonna he's much better than
what they have.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You need, you need, You need a guy that you
could really depend on. He's breaking down in Cansas, he's
breaking down in New Orleans. Do you realize how many
touches he has on his body? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, I know, you realize how many how many touches
Derreck Henry has body? Yes, look what he Look what
he did last year.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
He's not the same this year.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And maybe that's because he's not getting the same opportunities
as he got last year. I think me personally, Oh Joe,
I think they need a little bigger back.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
No, they got Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
They don't stop it. Oh come on, now, we love Kareem.
We appreciate him coming ony.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Way when you said and you said that bigger back,
but bigger back.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
A brief hall. They need that type of back. A
guy that's being can run with power and run with speed.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Okay, Okay, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Everybody look jamir Gil, but they also have David Montgomery.
You look at look at the Green Bay. They got
a two back system, Josh Josh Jacob and they got
twenty three. I can't get his name out the top
of my head. Look at look at the forty nine.
Brian Robinson Jr. Christian McCaffrey, Yeah, christ. So the backs
need to they've got to do. They got to do
(12:09):
some soul searching, they really do. And I thought Kansas
City Defense played really well tonight.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
They work.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I mean there are some times that they got through
and they couldn't get a CJ on the ground and
he made some play. But see, that's what happens when
you when you bring pressure and you sacrifice your back
in because you know, once McDuffie went out, they're okay
back there.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
But they're not great. No, they make they make.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
They hate when they can bring when that pressure can
get there. If the pressure don't get there, guys gonna
be running open.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You know, the bad thing about it is is for
Spags having to make the adjustments with Trent McDuffie going out.
When you do bring that pressure, McDuffie can lock down
one side. He doesn't need any help, so you can
bring all that pressure from from the opposite side of
the field, knowing that Trip McDuffie's gonna take care of
the side. But once he goes out, hey, yeah, you're
backing the basically exposed, which is why see this, drou
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was able to make some of those plays despite him
having them run for his life most of the God damn, you're.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Like, you're right, you're right. But look, it's one of
those years. The texts. This is what the Texans defense
did in the second half. They picked Mahomes off twice.
I mean he went like what nine straight passes that
either passes were either incomplete or they were intercepted, twenty
eight point six completion percent rate, and they had almost
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a forty two percent win rate. And when you look
at it, the Houston Texas are now eight and five.
They're in the eighth seed, behind the leg, behind the Lake,
behind the Chargers. But their game back, their game back
of Jacksonville, and they got they got three of their
last four games are at home. They look they really
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they really do control their own destiny.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Oh show the Titans.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Titans beat the Browns, but you going the very historic
club during his third NFL start, Yes Browns quarterback with
three hundred pass yards, three touchdowns, and a rush touchdown
in the same game since nineteen fifty. He's also the
seventh rookie in the Super Bowl era to throw for
three hundred and sixty yards have four total touchdowns, rush
or pass in the same game, joining C. J. Stroud,
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Joe Burrow, Dejahn Watson, Marcus Mariota, Andrew Luck and Matthew Stafford.
But Stock but despite got me frustrated because I'm a boy.
I'm mad at. I'm mad at. In the wet hornet
uh Stefanski took him out with the game on the line,
O Jo, Yeah, what I don't understand, Yes, sir, when
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you come, you're down fourteen, you score touchdown.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You're at home. Why are you going for two? Kick
the pat?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And guess what, O Joe? You're down seven? Now you
score touchdown to kick the pat. Guess what, O Joe?
We tied? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I mean, honestly, there's no there's no there's no explanation
behind what Stefanski is doing. None, there's none at all.
But what I can tell you is I can tell
you that his job, that his job is secured. It
was why he's making the calls that he's making. There's
no reason you got six minutes left in the game,
shud door goes down. Sure, shud goes down and he scores.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Why go for two?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
O Joe, you tell me, I just I need somebody
offation when you down for that is you're at home?
Yea even if road you're down an even number, Why
would you go for two? Because now if you get
you're chasing points.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You don't need to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Hold on for one as well as he was playing.
Look at the numbers he put the day as well
as he was playing all game long. Right, you want
to put the ball in your best player's hands that
has a hot that has a hot hand at the
right time.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Who is that?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
So if you are gonna go for two, if you're
gonna make that decision to go for two, you put
the ball in your quarterback's hands who just drove you
down not once, but twice on back to back drives
to get your chance to win a game, or at
least time game. I think I was so confused by this.
I had to make two phone calls. I had to
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make two phone calls the people who have been head
coaches before, just to make sure I can get a
better understanding and get a better perspective in context on
what was being made. But obviously, even though they're not
coaching anymore right now, even though they're not a part
of the NFL right now, the answers they gave me
were pc so they wouldn't give me what I really
(16:27):
wanted to hear. And I'm not going to say any names,
but Stefanski, I can't say anything about being fired because
this is the reason why they didn't want you to
do or starting in the first place, because now you see.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
If he just started at the beginning of the season,
what could we have been.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And I mean, this is exactly why they didn't want
Tom start. This is exactly why he wouldn't get any reps,
because they understood what you would get once he gets
snared and he gets acclimated to the system with his
players and it gets any kind of chemistry and continuity
with that offense, this is what you get and the
stuff you pulling when you get when you when.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You after you score and taking him out.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh, this is not college. You're not running trick plays.
You're not gonna fool anybody. The wildcat is not gonna work.
This is not two thousand and seven. Ronnie Brown is
back there.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
They're trying to run the wildcat, Oh Jo, they're trying
to run the wildcat. Look, the reason why the Dolphins
ran the Wildcats because that quarterback wasn't any good. You
got a competent quarterback that's playing his ass off. I
felt that he made probably one mistake tonight, Ojo, is
that when he threw the ball up down the middle
of the field when he was playing so well, and
he didn't really need to do that, And that's why
I let you do it. You're playing so well, you
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know you're not supposed to just eat the ball up
down in the middle of the field. Other than that, Ojo,
I thought this young man played extremely well. He was
balling in the game, throw it with touch, didn't make
the one he dropped down in the bucket, Ah man,
he dropped it in the bucket. Good thing, the bro
that he had that he was giving a fan in junior,
the one in the touch, the j Jerry Judy that
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he hit for sixty that yeah, basically play that he
missed that He always shot him the game before.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Bady hit him the time, and I'm glad, I'm glad.
I'm glad him and Judy got on that on that
same page this week, I was I was happy to
see that. But that God damn fan and JR.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
On But he.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Every every goddamn week forty four popping up for them,
every week forty four popping up on film. I don't
I don't know what they got out on, what kind
of chemistry. I don't know if they stay after practice
and they and they work together. But every time the
ball is in the air, he got he got there.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Hey, what about the touch pass that he threw the
he retreating and through the touch pass?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Joku? Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I mean he has things that you just can't teach you. No, No,
you can't have things that you can't teach. And the
funny thing about it, Go ahead, make your point. No,
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
What he lacks in mobility, he makes up in so
many other areas when it comes to when it comes
to being able to extend plays, being able to playoff script,
being able to being able to be accurate, being able
to be accurate you know on the run, He's phenomenal.
With that and the fact that he looks as good
and only a third start as bad as the Cleveland
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Brown team is not, defense team is offensively to have
him in there and give him that spark to where
now in each game they're competing up. Yes, they're compete
weekend and weekend, and he's.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
He's and he's playing through his bull drive. Coach.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Hey, matter of fact, maybe maybe maybe we can ask
the chat even if you don't like your door, you know,
even if you don't like the Browns, can you please
give me the explanation in the chat why you take
him out two drives back to back with opportunity to
get closer and put point when points are a premium
in a situation like this where you want to win
a game, well, I mean you you would think so,
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the fancy would want to win the game. But some
of the stuff, some of the play codes you haven't
and situations like that you're putting your team in homes.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, for me, it was it was taking him out
going to the wildcat when your best player, if you know,
he needs to be on the field. But what I
don't understand, I need somebody to explain to me why
did he go for two points on the first time
they scored a touchdown. That's what I need to understand,
because at that point in time on Joe, you don't
need it. You don't need it, you don't and then
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so let me guess this sad. So now we're down
eight because we didn't we we were dumb. I don't
know what happened. Maybe maybe an ego had a rock
and it dropped it on my Stefanski's head. I don't
know what happened. But so now we gotta go for two.
So we gonna take We're gonna take shaduor out and
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we're gonna run Wildcat. And the guy forgetting to pitch
the ball, I'm thinking. I'm thinking he was supposed to
pitch it O Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, he was supposed to pitch it. He was supposed
to come.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Around and he was gonna throw it. I guess somebody
else was gonna go our more pass. I guess, I guess.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean we're at this point in time on Joe,
we we we just like everybody else, we have we
have a loss for words.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I'm confused. I'm the only way as a head coach,
This is how I know a job isn't in jeopardy.
This is how I know a job is in jeopardy
because when your job is in jeopardy, you call plays
that are conducive for you to look good as a
head coach. And with a quarterback plan as well as
he was playing. Even if even if it one should
or a quarterback that has.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Taken him out like he had that game, You're not
taking him out.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
No, you're not taking him out because your job is
on the line.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You're not taking him out.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
The job is on the line. I need to do
everything I can to show management and those that are
in positions of power who can make the call on
whether I stay or go. That's coming from the top um.
Matter of fact, we can't even blame the coach. This
is the same situation. Who's the reason who took the
fall for Luca getting traded again? Stefanski is basically Nikofanski
(21:54):
is basically Nico Collins. He's taking off, taking all the heat,
but the call is coming from up above.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You gotta listen, do.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Whatever you do, whatever you need to do, do whatever
you need to do to make him look bad because
they know why you're not trying to win. Are you
trying to take purposely? Are you trying to make your
team look bad purposely? Because that's exactly what you're doing
because you have every Cleveland Brown fan, every football fan,
scratch your head about the decision making you make it.
As a head coach, I've.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Had people reach out to me and ask me. They
don't even really know football like that, say why they
take your do out because they say, we asked. I'm
gonna ask you because I know you know you played
the game, you watch the game, you study the game.
I said, I don't know. It's like you know something.
I'm like, damn Cleveland, I don't know. Hell if I do,
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I tweeted, it needs to be studied. They need a Hey, DJ,
Department of Justice. I need y'all open up an investigation
and what the hell is going on in Cleveland? What
the hell is the fans k doing? Because it makes
no sense even if you want to run the wildcat,
considering that your quarterback is playing at a he's on fire.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He's horder than four foxes in a forest fire.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's how heart of you is, Ojo, and you take
him out, You take him out to think about this
O Joe, you take him out to have somebody else
throw pass, because that that's what it looked like. If
you was gonna flip it to him, what was he
gonna do? Run it or he was gonna run and
put him and throw throw up a pull up and
throw a pass. So that's what I list he was
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gonna throw.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Listen, he was gonna thro he was gonna throw it
to somebody if junkers it flipped the ball like it's
supposed to.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Obviously, misdirection.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know how well misdirection works when you're playing against
the defense that's extremely aggressive, extremely aggressive. You're you're hoping
somebody misses assignment and a and A in a back
in a back or a receiver or a tight end,
you know, leaks out and he's wide open.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
It didn't. It didn't work that.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I don't give it. I don't, I don't, I don't care.
I'm gonna go down. I'm gonna go down and look
if you you brought me this far, you brought me
this far. Yeah, if this is as far as you
can take us, what you bought a farther than I was.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it, and
I just told.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You it doesn't make hard.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Here's what stepansk you said about going for two that
last two point conversion.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Yes,
so what was supposed to.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Happen on that last two point conversion? Yeah, I'm not
going to get in all the specific cheff, but obviously
did not go as we thought it. Would you make
that call?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah? I make every call. I make every call.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Why would you take them off?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Again? It's a two point play.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
U didn't come through on our first two point play.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I got to the second two point play. We didn't
come through. But that's that's all me that.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Was that play call?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You times every I'm responsible for all of it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
No, I thought I thought you turned over play calling duties.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Now it's been reported, Mary Kay, I need you to
car I need you to let us know jump in
the chat because it was reported that he turned the
play calling over the timmy reached right?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Isn't that the OC?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I know everything's on you and you don't want to
get into it. Get into it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
What went into your thinking that when Shador Sanders had
led you that back from fourteen down. He had led
you back?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
What made you?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
What went into the decision to take him off the
field and potentially have someone else throw a two point conversion?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
What went into your decision, Gouse to Westy, hold on?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Hold on? Not only half someone else throw the two
point conversion? Half someone else throw the two point conversion.
That wasn't your quarterback. That was on fire like he
was playing NBA jams. Hold on a play like that
in college, I understand it, Yes, I understand it, because
they don't see it coming. In the NFL, it's not working.
That's a play for the movie The Long Yard, or
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maybe on Thanksgiving got you in the goddamn Turkey Bowl.
That's what it's for, or maybe the movie Waterboy. That's
when you run a play like that, not with a
game on the line that you're actually trying to win
and compete, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I swear for God on my mama recipeace.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I had to call two of my former coaches to
get a better perspective on what they were doing. Because
you've been a head coach, Please explain to me you've
been in that position before. If that was you, why
do you call a play like that, And of course
they wouldn't give me an answer. They wanted to keep
it pc.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Like why you should have been in that situation, because
you should have kicked the pat to begin with, Why
the hell you go for two on the first pat.
You're only down fourteen, You're down an even number, So
why the hell are you going?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Why are you hell are you going for two on
the first pat?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
If you just kick it now, you're down seven, Now
you don't have to chase the second point.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's what makes no sense to me. Nothing. First of all,
it didn't make who he started wanted. He went with Flacco.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, fine, they said Dylan Gable that drafted him in
the heard round. Okay, whatever the case may be. We
can't go back in time undo what's already done. But
moving forward, the guy gives you a great opportunity to
win a great opportunity. He's playing his ass off, and
you undercut him by taking him off the field. You
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undercut him by going for two when it's unnecessary. So
I'm just trying to figure out I don't want to
use the word sabotage, but I will say I'm trying
to understand your rationale and your thought process.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What goes into going for two the first time?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
When you're only down fourteen, you kick the pat, you're
down seven. Okay, now you're down eight because you didn't
get the first pat, I mean the first two point conversion.
So now you're down eight, you gotta go for it.
What goes into a rationale after you see what your
quarterback has done? Why would you take him off the field?
And as somebody that doesn't play the position, do you
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really are you really really trusting so one that haven't
thrown a pass to throw a pass in that situation,
in that moment, at that junk shut of game, you
really want to do that?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
O Joe? Is that really what you want to do?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Chat?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Hey'all know mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
They doing that on purpose. They're doing it on purpose,
and it just it's just not this. Just just think
about since training camp. Just think about all the games
they've continued to play, their organization has continued to play.
You know what you're doing just in general, they did
not want Young Bull to be a starter because they
understood if he gets the opportunity to play the numbers,
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you see him putting him up, putting them up, putting
up him getting an opportunity to play, hes going to
give him their best chance to win. They don't want
to win. What if they do want to win, they
don't want to win with him behind center. That's the
only answer I can think of for you to be
pulling that kind of bull drive. I saw there today
as a former player, as a football fan, as a
fan of the game. This is for anybody, for any team,
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for any quarterback. You always want to put your quarterback
and your team in the best positions to win, because
that's the point of at the point of playing this game,
you want to win. And that that shit, I'm sorry
that he pulled. The day was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
On the downside, I was disappointed in Cleveland's defense rush defense.
Tony Pollard had twenty five carries for a buck sixty one,
had a sixty five yard run, had another long run.
They got to do a better job of stopping the run.
And so now we can put more pressure on cam Ward.
But when you're in second, when you're second and short,
you're third and short, it's hard to rush the quarterback Ojoe,
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when you in short down in d because you don't
know they can run it. Now, if we got it
second and long, we got it third and long. Now
we can Now we can unleash Myles Garrett. Now we
can unleash some of these rushers. But I just need
somebody to tell me. I need I need someone to
explain to me. And I need you to explain it
to me as if I'm a seven year old. So
it's like a kid going to it father and he's
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asking him a question for that's what. I need somebody
to explain it to me, because it makes no sense
as a guy, oh Joe, it's guys that played the game.
As a guy that studied the game, and.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'm and that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I don't look at I don't look at touchdown. I'm
glad they scored. I'm looking at how they scored. I'm
looking at why they scored. I'm looking at what did
the defense do. I'm looking at what play was called,
what personnel were you in so I can have a
better understanding and sees, Okay, I saw what this worked.
But when you to do this, it makes no sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Can I say one thing.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Also, let's say the Cleveland Brown defense they've been playing,
they asked off all season. They've been playing their ass
off all season. They've been stopping the run. They've been
stopping the past. So you know what, you come to
a game where now we need the offense. When we
was down fourteen, goddamn it, the offense showed up.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
The offense showed up. They showed up.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Miles Garrett got to be pissed. A ward. They'll pitt
They have to be pissed because I know they see it.
I know if they I know if they was anybody
was miked up. I know on the sideline, if you
can hear the defensive player talking, they'd be like, man,
what the hell are we doing? What the hell are
we doing? Okay, they're running the ball on us. Now,
this is one of the few games we need an
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offense to have our back.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Longbe motherfucking hole. The offense had they back with a.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Position twice, two different drives, drove down the field, we scored,
we go for two.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
What we get the ball back, go right back.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Down the field again, and we do the same bullshit again.
They got to be pissed, but they can't say nothing.
They not gonna say nothing. They know it's some bull drive.
But players in that locker room, they can't see anything.
But they can see. Yeah, they can see. They can
see clear day. They know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
They know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
But if I could see it and them all the
way down here Miami, a thousand something miles away.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Come on, we know who who can play and who
can't play. We know who can play and who can't play.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
When you're in the locker room, you know exactly who
can play, and we know exactly who can't play. Get
I don't care what coach does. I don't care how
much money you make. I don't care where you were drafted.
I know if you can play or not because I
see you every day. They know Shdor Sanders can play.
They believe in Shador. The greatest thing your teammates can
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do is have a belief in You can trust you.
The Chargers defeated the Eagles by the score of twenty
two to nineteen, and overtime it looked like the Eagles
were going down to win or even.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Tie the game.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Win touchdown, tie field gold, and then we play on
then the next score wins. Instead, Jalen hurts throw into
heavy traffic. The ball was deflected by Tony Jefferson. That's
fourth interception for interceptions by Hurts, and he had another
fumble turn the ball over twice on one play. Yo. Yeah,
a new career high for interceptions in the game. Now
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for all you guys go about they need to let
Jalen Hurst throw more. Let Jaylor Hurst throw more. We
exhibit eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I was gonna say, obviously I didn't. Most of the time,
you think about Jalen and his decision making with the ball,
even though he doesn't throw the ball much, he always
protects the ball. I think before this game started on
the season, I think he maybe had three, maybe four
interceptions up to this point in the in the season,
and to have a game like tonight where his decision
making wasn't what it usually is, especially at the end
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of the game. Understanding the circumstances, the flat routers right there,
the flat routers right there, make the guy come up
make a goddamn tackle instead of trying to thank you,
hold on, instead of trying to squeeze a corner route
which you're running, which they running the corner route to
they goddamn short side of the field. So chances are
that's not gonna be over both of them.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
He can play the so so oh, Joe, you're to
your point because he's in between Goddard and the route.
You don't have space. You need space because where you're going.
You can't run a twenty yard out route because you're
gonna be out of the damn n zone. So when
god it goes up five yards and he goes up
seven yards, the guys in between, he can literally play
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proles that.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
That's obviously if you're gonna run that concept, if you're
gonna run that route, that that combination concept. You got
to run that to the wire side. You got to
run to the wire side. Why run something like that
in that situation to the short side of the field.
It makes no sense to me. But in that situation,
if you do run it, Jen has to know boom
as soon as that corner if soon the corner drops
off just a little bit, trying to play both, trying
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to play in between. Just take us in front of
you right now, let him, let him come up and
make the tackle.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
That's it you got to do.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
You live to see another.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Down, Ojo. Even if you run that to the short
side of the field, it needs you need to have distance.
You got to have separation. He gotta because he knows
where is number two. That's Dawson. I think that's Dawson, right, yes, yes, yes, yes,
where is he going? M He can only run so
far with hell, he'll be in Compton, but to be
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out of bounds, so no touchdown. So he knows that,
So now I can play. I can soft play it
because if you throw it the guard it, I'm gonna
come up. It's only a three yard game. I'm hoping
you throw it the garden so I can tap. But
guess what, since you didn't I get my hand up
in the ball. Care he played off of the night.
There's nowhere around it. One of those pigs wasn't his
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what's it called uh brown aj Aj? So that he
saw that linebacker, He saw that linebacker. That's the one
you got, that's the one you gotta. You gotta protect him.
He's you see the guy. You know there's a linebacker coming.
You gotta protect the guy. That's where you throw it
at his waist. That's why you get him down and
allow him to protect himself. Tell them u uh aj
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knows that he is up and coming. He's got to
make that catch. You gotta make a play. You can't
pop it up because if you're popping up the guy
this trailer you go, you'll get a pick every time.
It's as simple as that. But AJ knows he's got
got he's gotta make that play. But then he hit
on his zone. He hit the d tackle in the
damn chat and then the guy colored behind hold on.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Even listen that zone blessing that D tackle pop out
instead of rushing. That's hard to see. That's hard to
see for a quarter for quarter question. Yeah, the guy
that he was trying to throw it to was behind
the guy that he hit in the chat? How is
that hard to see? No, no, no, I'm just saying,
you know, that's why it's call his zone. Listening they
had that that D tackle pop out like that because
you're not expecting as a quarterback. You already what's the predetermined?
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You already predetermined?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
What wanted you to say that?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah? Okay, that's all.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I just wanted him to say that chat.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He had already made his mind up where he was
going with the right, that's all I just wanted him
to say that. Chet.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
So here's the thing, O, Yoe, you make a terrible
read you hit the guy, the chance the guy comes
from behind him. Script some of the football. Okay, the
ball pops out, you get it. It's got a falling
on the ground because guess what your senses are changing?
Possession is your ball and his first down going exactly
Now you try to be hero, Jalen want to be
a herocause we're gonna talk about it on sports and
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we're gonna talk about it tonight. If he gets that
ball up, it gets ten yards, get fifteen yards. So
instead of doing the wise sting, what did he try
to do with yo? Guess what happened on your ball?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Out again?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
You fumble again?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, Hey, it was a weird It was a weird
game tonight. It was a weird game tonight with so
many fumbles, whether it was special teams, whether you know,
both offenses. It was eight turnovers in the game to night.
I'm not sure what the what the record is for
the most turnovers in the game, but this has to
be up there with it. This has to be up
there with it. And I really thought the defense would
have saved the day for them, and obviously they would
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have been at San Diego got a field goal in
the first overtime, So I thought, hell, E's gonna go down.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
To score, you know what you need.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I was actually hoping that gonna score, you know, for
their for for their sake and and with with the
what they played. But unfortunately the decision making on on
on Jalen, you know, at the end of the game,
it kind of it kind of hurt. And another thing,
one of the one of the best throws, one of
the one of the throws that that you talking about
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that third and fifteen when he let that ball go right.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Off thet I know, to play exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Boy, that was beautiful. Boy, that was That's what we
call anticipating and letting it go and trusting your receiver.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
That was beautiful right there. Boy, that was our show.
That's what they ask him to do. That's what he
doesn't do well enough when it's when it's one on one. Yeah,
but see the really good one you have to throw
in the windows. You have to trust your skill set.
We're also trusting your receiver to be where he's gonna be.
But you really gotta trust yourself. You really have to
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trust yourself. Yeah, hey, oh so Oko when you ran that,
when you ran that bang that bang ate, Hey, on
that seventh step or that glass rock, we called it.
You called it a bang a you called it a
glance with that seven step on the outside foot hit.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
When I do this ball, that ball should be right there.
I mean, I don't care what that safety does. I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
All I know is that corner is on my outside.
The ball is gonna be there. And the quarterback job
is to protect me, is to protect the throw. Don't
put it back here and make me do this and
so he can knock it down. Put it right there,
put it right there in the safety. Come, I can
protect myself.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Listen, and don't let the safety takeer goddamn bad angle.
And I want to keep that thing about the backside
and dip on it come out the backside. Hey, I
got I got away with I got. I got away
with it. One time. I never forget. We were playing
buff the Buffalo Bills at home, Nate Clemens. Nate Cleman
was guarding me. I'm not sure what that safety was
thinking about. But when I took that seventh step, or
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like maybe my fift step, I was peaking at the
safety and oh he was in the wrong place. He
was in the wrong place. He had his feet he
had his feet set instead of getting back in that pedal,
he wasn't in. No, you already in the pull spread man.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I hugged that.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I hugged that bach and went in like a damn
near you turn. Hugged that bach and camp bick down
here and got up by the back of her scold.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Hi, we ain't got no ego. Fans of man on't yo,
but they're not in him. Ah nah, because you know
they normally whoa, whoa, whoa? What you got to say now,
o Joe? What y'all gotta say?
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Now?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
By the eagles?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Eagle fans, come on, we need you get the chat up?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
How many we got in the chat right now? Come on,
eagle fans.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I know y'all. Look they might be sleep on this late.
What what a bird?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Now, oh Joe? Normally, normally eagles fly, eagles fly. All
you see is eagles on everybody chat, eagles across the board.
Oh there you go, dren one there one there, Hey
they hey. But if you know, oh Joe, one of
the wings broke either like this here he got one
wing the other to his side, so we got to
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get him to a bets in.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
The house a bed eagle hands landed, crash landed.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yep, this is a good thing about it though. The
Running game. The Running Game got going a little bit.
Saquan had one hundred and some change at night.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Carries.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, they got going. Let me see, let me see
what else. Hell, they still got a chance. Huh, they
still got a chance. They have a chance. They still
have a chance to win the division. They have to play.
They have to play.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
They got the commanders twice, they got the giants and
who else they got?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
The commanders is winnable. The commanders is winnable. James Daniels
is out for the season.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Oh, they got raiders commanders. There's a wills commanders. They
ain't the bills.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Listen that. That's that's the That's the toughest one right
there where they playing the bill's at They're playing no matter.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
They could play on the movie. You don't got no
faith in them, No, they ain't got no faith in them,
in them, in themselves. We've seen this movie before. Remember
a couple of years ago. They got off to that
great start and then they crash landed. Yes, eagle had
the eagle has crashed yes, we saw that. Doesn't it
seem doesn't it feel the same, the exact same way.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Matter of fact, this was this was the year before
the Super Bowl run. Actually yep, yeah yeah bowl Yeah
yeah yeah yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
The Eagles defense played extremely well. They sacked Justin Herbert
seven times. Has he not been as mobile and athletic
as he is, they probably would have got him ten
or eleven times. Yeah, way more than that.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
But look, they got to figure this thing out. They
really do.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I mean you look at Hunt had two and a
half sacks, Bond had a half a sack, Byron Young
had a sack of the half, the Kobe Dean had
a sack, Jordan Davis.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Had a sack of the half. I mean they were
they was on it.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah, and you know something let me let me but
Jayleen Hurst too on on two of those interceptions. One
was a j Brown's fault one the one that Deontay
Deontay Jackson or Danteante Johnson that that that wasn't on
Jayla Hurst. That was on Smitty. That's Smitty Smitty. I
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love you.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh yeah when you slip out, yeah yeah, you you
got you.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Gotta come you gotta come out. That ball. You gotta
come you gotta come out that ball and you can't
stop and you gotta come back to it.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
That that that that that was a slip. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
And normally when you slip, when you try to plan
on your inside foot and you try to roll in
that foot get out from under you. Yeah, instead of
instead of dropping, oh joe, instead of dropping you wait,
putting that weight on new quads for me.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I know they're small, they ain't the whole.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, they small, smitty, but you got to get back
downhill because if you roll out that inside foot, yeah,
it's gonna get out from under you. And he's throwing
it on anticipation. Yeah, and this is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Uh, but it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I meant, have you ever.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Seen a turnover? There's two turnovers on one play by guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Hold on, a long time ago, the New Orlean Saints
was playing I think the Redskins. Remember somebody fumbler the
ball or somebody fumbled the ball and then Robert Meacham
I think it was Robert Meacham. The Saints had the ball.
It was an interception that roer but hold on the
ball from he.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
No, but the same guy did it, though I know
the player you're talking about. He threw a pick.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
The guy fumbled, Robert Meachin took it from it, went
back the other way with it. Yeah, I'm talking about
the same guy. He throws a pick.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
No, no, no, I've never seen that. I've never seen that.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I've never seen it either.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I've never and I've seen some some wacky, wacky, wacky
wacky plays Outlook. The ball bounces funey and you see
some stuff that you like you normally wouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Who is that?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
I think jackson Houston playing Houston, and you talked to
bat it down. He basked the ball down, O joe.
But he bashed it right to a Houston Texan. I
mean to a Jacksonville Jaguar who walks in the end
zone on the hell Mary, Yeah, because you knock it down,
knock it down, Oh damn. He right there, knocked it
down right in his arm, and he walked right into
the end zone. We see Jacksonville run all of was
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that Jacksonville of New Orleans that run all over the field.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
They ran a.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Lateral oh joe, like forty times to score. They scored,
and then the guy come on and missed the pat
But yeah, yeah, I mean I think I saw something.
They said it's the first time since seventy eight, so
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I don't know, but it's it's a rare play. Ain't
a whole lot of people have seen that play because
the NFL wasn't covered like it is now, and a
lot of people wasn't born in seventy eight, So somebody
might have saw it, But I have never s seen it.
And I've seen a lot of wacky things because I've
been around since sixty eight, been watching football since seventy seventh. Well,
I've been watching to understand what I remember. The first
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game I probably remember is that we went over to
my great grandmother's house on a Monday night to watch
OJ for real, Yeah, to watch OJ OJ that was
playing on a a Monday night, and we wanted to see,
wanted to see my grandfather wanted to see OJ. And
so but look, this game, really the pressure is starting
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to mount on the Eagles because they had.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
They got up to this great star. Oh Joe, they
were they were four or.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Five games clear.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Oh yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
They messed Abudy and losing they mess a right to
lose another game, and the cow hold on how many games.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
They've got to win? They've got to win.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
The Cowboys are what five and what the Cowboys are
sixty six and one, so they've got.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
To win.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Three to the next five. Yeah, yeah, three to the
next five.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Well, charge it up for the Raiders. They're gonna win.
Beat the Raiders. So yeah, they both teams got four games,
so they're gonna have to the Cowboys could only most
of the Cowboys can win. It's ten, right, they could
be ten six and one. Raiders win up Raiders. The
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Eagles win three of their last four, they get to eleven.
Eleven is more than ten. It'd be very interesting to
see him if they go two and two. Yeah, because
now the Cowboys win, because the Cowboys is ten and
six one, and y'all to be ten and seven. Green
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Bay toughed out a home win against the Bears team
then when nine of the past ten coming in and
knocked them off the defending Super Bowl Chaps on Black Friday.
Green Bay hasn't allowed more than sixteen points in any
of its three losses. Christian Watson looked like a true
number one receiver. Green Bay has beaten the Lions twice
and the Bears once so far this season. For the winners,
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Jeordan Love seventeen to twenty five, two thirty four, three touchdowns,
one pick. Josh Jacobs twenty carriers eighty six yards, one touchdown.
Christian Watson had four had four catches eighty nine yards,
two touchdowns along with forty one on four targets. He
caught everything. Bo Melton one catch forty five yards. He
had two targets. Jane Daniels had four targets, had four
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catches thirty one yards. They played extremely well. Caleb Williams
he was nineteen or thirty five, won eighty six, two touchdowns,
one interceptions. They ran the ball thirty two times fo
one hundred and thirty eight yards. They made plays. Green
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Bay defense bowled their back when they need to. I'm
sure yeah, which he wish he could have that throwback
O Choe because he was can get his hips around
fast enough and throw it and he'll allow the safety
to get back in and make a play.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
But we watched this game. It just that's what's the
frustrating part.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
You see Jordan Love and how he just throws the
ball and in some games you just look at him like, Jordan,
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (49:16):
What was that seed?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah? Oh man, what is hey a beldo? But uh,
the Packers three hundred and thirty seven total yards. Really
clean game, nice game. Let's see team stats here. Uh.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Josh Jacob was twenty twenty for twenty Carris eighty six
yards and the TV Christian Wahsington led all the receivers
with foe for eighty nine and two tds both teams.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Green Bay was eight or twelve on fourth third down. Uh.
Chicago was eight of sixteen third down one of two
on fourth downs. Chicago had sixty eight total plays. Green
Bay had fifty two. Chicago had three hundred and fifteen
total yards. Packers had three thirty seven. Both had nine
total drives. Chicago had the ball thirty almost thirty four minutes.
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Packers had it for twenty six this day.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Hey, they got, they got, they got, they got off
the Caleb real well. Uh, they had him uncomfortable most
of the game. They had uncomfortable most of the game.
Blessing bringing pressure and then the Bears had a good,
good offensive game plan for that, doing a lot of misdirection,
rolling them out to get him away from the pressure.
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But man, it. That last drive was the last drive.
I think it was a third or fourth.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Down, the fourth down with the interception. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
That's pull down with an interception. Oh man, that was
a good game. I know the Bears lost, but that
was a really really good game with a very good
a very good Packers defense. I mean, she ain't really
much I can say about that one. Boy, they played well.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Uh yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Think Look, I think that I think Chicago is a
head of schedule oho with how well they're playing. But
I think they're gonna only get better. I think they
have a very very bright future. Uh. They have the quarterback,
they got a running game, they got good quality receivers,
they got two tight ends, they revamped the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I like the defense. The defense is really good.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Uh but green Bay just you know, green Bay. When
they had to dig deep and when they needed to
make a stop, they got it. And sometimes that's when
it comes. Look, this is division game, this is the
oldest this is the oldest river in the NFL. They've
been playing each other a hundred plus year, So we'll
not they got a you've probably been they got over
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one hundred matchups. I think the Packers were the first
team in nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty. I think the Bears
were shortly there after that, so they probably got damned
the two hundred matchups between the two of them. But
when you look at lo Jo, the division rival, it
doesn't matter if they're good. If one team is good
the other team is bad, you already know what you're
gonna get. We see each other every year, we've been
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in the same It used to be the NFC Central,
now it's the NFC North.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
We know what to expect. We don't like you.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
We're we're about two hours away from each other Green
Bay in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
You don't like us. We don't like you. Let's get you.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
A damn But I like I like what I saw
from I like what's from Green Bay. I like the
throws that are uh George love man.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
He I mean he just his matter of rhythm just
reminds you so much.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Of Aaron Rodgers' like Rogers M yeah, am, But I
mean he thrown off his back foot, but he made
he made plays when they had to have him. His
receiver stepped up and made catches when they had to
have him. Now, Christian Watson, man, he can play if
he can just stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
O Joe.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, I guy can fly, he got great hands, he
run good, he run good routes. It's just his ability
to stay healthy. And when you have that kind of speed,
O Shoe, you know you're gonna have normally have hamstring problem.
I'm surprised that's something Tyreek really never faced, because you
know most guys O Shoe, they have hamstring issues, they
have you know, soft tissue injuries. You know, Joe Galloway
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was plagued with hamstring issues, but Christian Watson had that
he towards me. But he's come back and he's playing
he's playing extremely, extremely extremely realy well. But Kayla Williams
is gonna get better. Look it's a little set back.
And I'm sure he loved to have that throw. I mean,
you don't have to you don't have to get really
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out all the way outside.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I know that's what you like.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Try to put pressure on the defense by getting there
right now. But hey, if that guy's open, pull up
in poppy, pull up and let him mak right now.
Rashid hit Rashid Shaheed return the second half opening kickoff
FO one hundred yards touchdown and the Seahawks blow out
the halfless Falcons thirty seven to nine. The Seahawks broke
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away with a sixty sixth time halftime with a thirty
one point beat down in the second half, and the
Falcons the Seattle's defense came up with three turnovers that
the Seahawks won for the seven times in eight games.
In eight games, Donald threw two ardred and forty nine
yard three touchdown, a pair of score to Jackson JSN
Jackson Smith and Jabs, and another one to Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Hey, JSN balling. Oh every week.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, look, he had a little timporary shutting and shut
down last week. They did a great job of, you know,
bracking him and making it tough on him. But you
look at he had seven catches for ninety two yards
on ten targets. She he'd had four for sixty seven.
Club had two for thirty five and a touchdown on
three targets.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
They look, hey, that's a nice little trio. Quietly, that's
a nice little trio. You got Jackson who can do
everything intermediate short the Cooper Cup was a tremendous out
rock runner and Rashizi he could take the top off
a goddamn building man, perfect perfect combination, perfect trio receiver.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
I thought the game got away from him. Looked like
Atlanta was going in the score and then Jon fumbled
the football and they really didn't look bad after that.
I mean, it kind of broke their back once they
fumbled that football, because you go down there to get
a score. Or Cousins turned the ball over three times
twice with the thumbles, so they had three turnovers and
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it's hard. It is hard to overcome when you have
three turnovers. It's hard, and you're playing a good team.
The Seahawks are quality team. They are a quality team.
They're gonna be a tough out because they can run
the football. They got a quarterback. Now, look the question
that will Sam Donald turned back into that pumpkin if
you put pressure on them in the playoffs, because we
saw that last year where they went to I think
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that was Detroit for in the first round. Yeah, but
they got a defense, they got two corners that can
lock it down. They got pressure, they can bring pressure.
DeMarcus Lawrens has found new life, Jaron Reid. I mean,
they got Leonard Williams, they gotta they got a really
solid defense and they got wollen and fom the safety
is will come up and thump you.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
And they got the grid and coverage. They're good. They're
gonna be They're gonna be tough out for somebody. They're
gonna be a tough out for somebody.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Jo
The Houston Texas beat the Kansas City chief by the
score of twenty to ten. Patrick Mahomes through three interceptions
as Kansas City playoffs hopes continue to fade. He was
fourteen of thirty three under fifty percent completion, only one
hundred and sixty yards, no touchdowns, three interceptions, was sacked twice.
He didn't get much help from his receiving corps. Tayekwon
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Thornton dropped the touchdown. Travis Kelcey dropped two plays on
that left final drive OHO, and then one of them
got picked Ye. Rashid Rice dropped a huge fourth down.
He got little Petrick. I think I think that thing
kind of jarred him a little bit. I don't think
he was all the way back OHO because Petre dropped
the boom on him. He did, he dropped the boom
on him. He was totally relaxed. But the Texas did
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an unbelievable job. They got after the quarterback tonight and
they forced him be shut down. I mean they had
twin but Mahomes with the leading rushing with a seven
carriage for fifty nine yards. But OJO watching this game
and you see the Houston Texans and what they were
able to do. They go in the arrowhead, they get
this victory, stay attached to the Jacksonville Jaguars who leaves
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that division. Yes, they needed this victory in order to
try to gain some footing, get into the playoff hunt
and potentially chase down the Jags.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But what did you like about what you saw from
the Houston Texans?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Listen, the Texan got it done. What I didn't like
obviously they didn't make enough adjustments for me, especially offensively.
One trip mcduffiely went out. You knew that that Spagnola
had to bring pressure. Now with them bringing pressure, I
got tired of seeing CJ. Stroud run for his life
and they make no adjustments offensively. Obviously, I would think,
if you know they're blitzing every time, stop running plays
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where the plays take long to develop. Just go quick
game if anything, do things, you know, misdirection, you know,
get them, get them going one way and come back
the oppice way with something something else. But just SEEINGJ.
Stroud run for his life. But they were able to
make some plays even with that pressure, and they the
back end was exposed. Obviously that Gonda happened once. Once
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you do blitz and outside of that, the defense. The
defense won that game. The defense for the Houston Texans
won that game for them. I'm not sure what's wrong
with the Kansas City Chiefs. They lost what five of
the for the last five or some some something like that.
They just don't look the same. Obviously, they have a
great run. They've had a great run, and probably even
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though they have fifteen who probably is arguably one of
the greatest, not maybe the second greatest quarterback of all time,
this year just hasn't been it for them at all.
Everyone is healthy now offensively, Everyone is healthy now offensively,
and they let they let pack mahomes down. Rashid Rice,
Hollywood Brown, he made some plays. Kelsey, he did, he did.
He looks almost like a shell of himself.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He didn't play well.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's cold when you get you know, when you're older,
it's cold young.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That ain't no excuse. You know that you have to
adapt to the elements. You got to adapt to that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
There's the reason why own people moved to Parider in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Hold on, hold on, we've been catching football's all.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
We've been thirty six all our life. We've been thirty
seven all our life. We have been forty all our life.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Listen, listen to me. Listen to me real quick. All
you use your eyes in your hands. That's all it
come down to. You could be sixty years old, your
eyes in your hands. That don't never failure regardless of
how old you get. But the Houston Texas, that god
damn defense on or they can get out of the quarterback.
They got the back in the back in man. The
bloom Boys played very well. They played very well. So
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I'm glad to see the Texans win. They've won the
last four of their last five games, so it seems
like they're ascending right now. While the Kansas cy Chiefs
are descending.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They are.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Like I said, Tyekwon Thornton had to touch down his hands.
He dropped that great play by last, great great play
to not give up by laughter, to continue to fight
all the way through the catch. Yes, Rashid Rice had
a couple of drops. Travis had a couple of drops.
We know that the offensive line has beat the hell
the left tackle comes in and he gets out. Now
you're going against You're going with an undrafted left tackle
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against Danil Hunter and Will Anderson Jr. That's not a
recipe for success. But I thought he played really really
well tonight. The offensive line is not, you know, the best.
I mean, think about it. You're starting left tacklers out,
your backup, left tacklers out. You're starting all pro right guard,
he's out. You're starting right tackle, he's out. So think
about it. You're down, You're probably you're down to your backups,
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to your backups, And at some point in time, you
keep saying next man, next man up, next man up. Well,
the next man up need to be making the equivalent
of the guy that he's replacing. Because if you say,
I got a guy that's making fifteen million, and then
you bring a guy in four hundred thousand, there's a
reason why one guy's making fifteen million, Oh Joe, there's
a reason why one guy's making four hundred thousand. So
we got read this notion, Oh man man, next man up,
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there's a reason why he was down to begin with. Yeah, yeah,
I disagree with the call to Andy made because out
of a premium back this point in time, to scores
ten to ten, we're late in the ball game, O Joe,
I will punt the ball because at that point in time,
the Texans hadn't done anything in the second half. I
think they might have might have had fifty yards in
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the second half. For the longest time they were negative yards.
Kansas City's defensive honed in spags had done a great
job of dolling it up, stopping your run on first down,
getting out the CJ.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Stroud, getting him off its mark.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
In that situation, I disagree with Andy, and I don't
like to disagree with Andy because I think he's one
hell of a coach and his residence speaks for itself.
But in a game like this, what points they out
a premium? I don't want to do it. If they
do nothing offensively, they're in field goal range. Yeah, I
can't make that call. Oh Joe, I gotta punt this
ball away. I understand. I got Patrick Mahomes, and I
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understand he wants to go up and go for it.
Go for every quarterback you're gonna want to go with Ellie,
he gonna want to go for it on fourth and ten,
fourth and twelve. But sometimes you got to use your
better part. You gotta use your judgment, and like, you
know what, let's punt this ball, Let's make let's forst
this to make a mistake. Let's not give them a gift.
And I felt that's what they did, and that was
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really the difference in the ball game. But like I said,
these guys, I mean Mahomes were a little off. I
mean he had great That's a hard plage to defend,
and you not talked about it with a running back.
You see Marx he called a touchdown. He pretend like
he was gonna walk. He slipped out. C J. Flipps
it to him because that's the guy that has the man. Well,
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he's coming on the blitz. I ain't standing in the
block him. I'm just gonna slip him and get to
the flats. You see the guys a lot of times,
those tight ends will be on the line. They're helping,
helping everybody sinking. Now they drift out. The only thing
I would tell, no, keep it up the field. Why
are you going to get a headache. Did you see
that linebacker drifting that way? Now, Mahmes threw a terrible pass.
I would prefer you leak up the field and give
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yourself some room so you don't run into that headache
that's in that middle linebacker that's waiting on you. But
to make a long story short, and I know I went.
I made a short story long. The Chiefs are be
very good this year.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
No, absolutely not. And honestly, Mahomes is fourteen for thirty three,
he had three interceptions. He only threw for one sixty
to night Exeue Worthy had three to fifty five. And
I'm not mistaken he might have been their leading receiver.
The fact that Patch Mahomes with a leading rusher, then
you're not that's not gonna win you many games. That's
not gonna win you many games. You have to have
some type of balance. They were one dementum tonight for
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the simple fact that they couldn't run the ball. They
haven't been able to run the ball all seon long, honestly, And.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
That's why Joe I felt that they should have gave
up the second round pick, or maybe even a first round.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Pick for a Chan.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Because is there a back that's coming out in the
draft that you believe that's better than a Chan that
can run the ball between the tackles, can hit his
head on the goal post, can catch the ball out
of the backfield. Because I mean, for Checko, I mean,
Lord have mercy, he get a hold, he runs right
up the lineman's back, I'm like, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You look?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, and Kareem he I'm glad to see him back.
But he's basically a power back hei the three yard
the cloud of dust guy. He's not a guy that
you can consistently give the ball to and you hoped
him to break something big. That's not what he is
right now. He's a two to three yard a carry guy.
That's what he is, oh Joe, And there's nothing wrong
with that. There's that place for that guy that you
know he can get you very very tough yards. The
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initial the first guy normally doesn't bring him down. But
they need they need playmakers. They need guys that can
help Patrick Mahomes out because at this juncture, he can't
do I mean, he can't do any more than what
he's doing.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He can't. He can't.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I mean, guys got to and when your quarterback, and
that's the thing, when your quarterback isn't playing well, you
need guys that can step up in plays.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And he didn't get any help tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No he didn't. And the playmaker that we're speaking of, honestly,
I think as far as the receiver, receivers are receivers
are concerned. I think they're set there, but Patrick Mahomes
has to stop running the ball so much. They need
a premium. Felt like when when I think about Breese Hall,
I think Breese Hall might have had a chance to
go there before before the deadline for trade for trades
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that would have been perfect for them. That would have
been perfect for them. So a running back like a
Jamior Gibbs, I'm saying, I'm not saying there's another Jamior Gibbs,
somebody like, Yeah, yeah, a chan a running back like
that that that can actually hit his head off the
goal post from anywhere, and every time he does get
the ball, you're the chance that something could happen.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That takes some of the pressure off of the Homes
not having to do so much with his arm all
the time, and always happened to be superman and make
the plays.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
A yeah, because the thing is oh yo sometimes that
you know, in the West Coast system, the short passing
game is an extension of the run. They need the run.
They don't need an extension of the run. They need
to be able to run the football, and right now
they can't. Now the offensive line is beat to hell,
and we understand that because you know your right tackle
is out, your left tackle went out, the guy that
replaced him went out. So now you're down to your
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third guy at tackle and who's an undrafted free agent.
Now your right guard is out. Now you're down to
your back up at right guard. So it's tough. It's tough.
It's really tough. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, I have a question. I don't know why. His
name is sip in my mind right now. The running
back they used to play for the Candy Kansas City
Chiefs towards a c L. But before he towards a
cl he was fast.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Jamal Charles, Jamal Charles.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
They that's what they need. They need another Jamal Charles
or somebody like that. I mean, man, listen, Jamal get
that ball. If he hit that edge, you get to
that second level, you might, you might. The fat lady
might as well sing. They need something like that. There's
nothing like that in the draft.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So whoever, and whatever they do get, it has to
be an off season acquisition. I have a good one
for you right now. I think they need to do
whatever whatever they need to do in the off season.
They need to go get the album. Ka, they need
to go.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
No, not this, not at this junk of his career.
Too many catches, too many carriers on that body. He's
not that guy anymore. He's serviceable, but he's not that Ojo.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Uh, he's much easier. I'm gonna he's much better than
what they have.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You need, you need, You need a guy that you
could really depend on. He's breaking down in Cansas, he's
breaking down in New Orleans. Do you realize how many
touches he has on his body? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, I know, you realize how many how many touches
Derreck Henry has body? Yes, look what he Look what
he did last year.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
He's not the same this year.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And maybe that's because he's not getting the same opportunities
as he got last year. I think me personally, Oh Joe,
I think they need a little bigger back.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
No, they got Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
They don't stop it. Oh come on, now, we love Kareem.
We appreciate him coming ony.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Way when you said and you said that bigger back,
but bigger back.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
A brief hall. They need that type of back. A
guy that's being can run with power and run with speed.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Okay, Okay, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Everybody look jamir Gil, but they also have David Montgomery.
You look at look at the Green Bay. They got
a two back system, Josh Josh Jacob and they got
twenty three. I can't get his name out the top
of my head. Look at look at the forty nine.
Brian Robinson Jr. Christian McCaffrey, Yeah, christ. So the backs
need to they've got to do. They got to do
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some soul searching, they really do. And I thought Kansas
City Defense played really well tonight.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
They work.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I mean there are some times that they got through
and they couldn't get a CJ on the ground and
he made some play. But see, that's what happens when
you when you bring pressure and you sacrifice your back
in because you know, once McDuffie went out, they're okay
back there.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
But they're not great. No, they make they make.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
They hate when they can bring when that pressure can
get there. If the pressure don't get there, guys gonna
be running open.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You know, the bad thing about it is is for
Spags having to make the adjustments with Trent McDuffie going out.
When you do bring that pressure, McDuffie can lock down
one side. He doesn't need any help, so you can
bring all that pressure from from the opposite side of
the field, knowing that Trip McDuffie's gonna take care of
the side. But once he goes out, hey, yeah, you're
backing the basically exposed, which is why see this, drou
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was able to make some of those plays despite him
having them run for his life most of the God damn, you're.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Like, you're right, you're right. But look, it's one of
those years. The texts. This is what the Texans defense
did in the second half. They picked Mahomes off twice.
I mean he went like what nine straight passes that
either passes were either incomplete or they were intercepted, twenty
eight point six completion percent rate, and they had almost
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a forty two percent win rate. And when you look
at it, the Houston Texas are now eight and five.
They're in the eighth seed, behind the leg, behind the Lake,
behind the Chargers. But their game back, their game back
of Jacksonville, and they got they got three of their
last four games are at home. They look they really
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they really do control their own destiny.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Oh show the Titans.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Titans beat the Browns, but you going the very historic
club during his third NFL start, Yes Browns quarterback with
three hundred pass yards, three touchdowns, and a rush touchdown
in the same game since nineteen fifty. He's also the
seventh rookie in the Super Bowl era to throw for
three hundred and sixty yards have four total touchdowns, rush
or pass in the same game, joining C. J. Stroud,
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Joe Burrow, Dejahn Watson, Marcus Mariota, Andrew Luck and Matthew Stafford.
But Stock but despite got me frustrated because I'm a boy.
I'm mad at. I'm mad at. In the wet hornet
uh Stefanski took him out with the game on the line,
O Jo, Yeah, what I don't understand, Yes, sir, when
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you come, you're down fourteen, you score touchdown.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You're at home. Why are you going for two? Kick
the pat?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And guess what, O Joe? You're down seven? Now you
score touchdown to kick the pat. Guess what, O Joe?
We tied? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I mean, honestly, there's no there's no there's no explanation
behind what Stefanski is doing. None, there's none at all.
But what I can tell you is I can tell
you that his job, that his job is secured. It
was why he's making the calls that he's making. There's
no reason you got six minutes left in the game,
shud door goes down. Sure, shud goes down and he scores.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Why go for two?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
O Joe, you tell me, I just I need somebody
offation when you down for that is you're at home?
Yea even if road you're down an even number, Why
would you go for two? Because now if you get
you're chasing points.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You don't need to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Hold on for one as well as he was playing.
Look at the numbers he put the day as well
as he was playing all game long. Right, you want
to put the ball in your best player's hands that
has a hot that has a hot hand at the
right time.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Who is that?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
So if you are gonna go for two, if you're
gonna make that decision to go for two, you put
the ball in your quarterback's hands who just drove you
down not once, but twice on back to back drives
to get your chance to win a game, or at
least time game. I think I was so confused by this.
I had to make two phone calls. I had to
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make two phone calls the people who have been head
coaches before, just to make sure I can get a
better understanding and get a better perspective in context on
what was being made. But obviously, even though they're not
coaching anymore right now, even though they're not a part
of the NFL right now, the answers they gave me
were pc so they wouldn't give me what I really
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wanted to hear. And I'm not going to say any names,
but Stefanski, I can't say anything about being fired because
this is the reason why they didn't want you to
do or starting in the first place, because now you see.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
If he just started at the beginning of the season,
what could we have been.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And I mean, this is exactly why they didn't want
Tom start. This is exactly why he wouldn't get any reps,
because they understood what you would get once he gets
snared and he gets acclimated to the system with his
players and it gets any kind of chemistry and continuity
with that offense, this is what you get and the
stuff you pulling when you get when you when.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You after you score and taking him out.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh, this is not college. You're not running trick plays.
You're not gonna fool anybody. The wildcat is not gonna work.
This is not two thousand and seven. Ronnie Brown is
back there.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
They're trying to run the wildcat, Oh Jo, they're trying
to run the wildcat. Look, the reason why the Dolphins
ran the Wildcats because that quarterback wasn't any good. You
got a competent quarterback that's playing his ass off. I
felt that he made probably one mistake tonight, Ojo, is
that when he threw the ball up down the middle
of the field when he was playing so well, and
he didn't really need to do that, And that's why
I let you do it. You're playing so well, you
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know you're not supposed to just eat the ball up
down in the middle of the field. Other than that, Ojo,
I thought this young man played extremely well. He was
balling in the game, throw it with touch, didn't make
the one he dropped down in the bucket, Ah man,
he dropped it in the bucket. Good thing, the bro
that he had that he was giving a fan in junior,
the one in the touch, the j Jerry Judy that
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he hit for sixty that yeah, basically play that he
missed that He always shot him the game before.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Bady hit him the time, and I'm glad, I'm glad.
I'm glad him and Judy got on that on that
same page this week, I was I was happy to
see that. But that God damn fan and JR.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
On But he.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Every every goddamn week forty four popping up for them,
every week forty four popping up on film. I don't
I don't know what they got out on, what kind
of chemistry. I don't know if they stay after practice
and they and they work together. But every time the
ball is in the air, he got he got there.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Hey, what about the touch pass that he threw the
he retreating and through the touch pass?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Joku? Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I mean he has things that you just can't teach you. No, No,
you can't have things that you can't teach. And the
funny thing about it, Go ahead, make your point. No,
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
What he lacks in mobility, he makes up in so
many other areas when it comes to when it comes
to being able to extend plays, being able to playoff script,
being able to being able to be accurate, being able
to be accurate you know on the run, He's phenomenal.
With that and the fact that he looks as good
and only a third start as bad as the Cleveland
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Brown team is not, defense team is offensively to have
him in there and give him that spark to where
now in each game they're competing up. Yes, they're compete
weekend and weekend, and he's.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
He's and he's playing through his bull drive. Coach.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Hey, matter of fact, maybe maybe maybe we can ask
the chat even if you don't like your door, you know,
even if you don't like the Browns, can you please
give me the explanation in the chat why you take
him out two drives back to back with opportunity to
get closer and put point when points are a premium
in a situation like this where you want to win
a game, well, I mean you you would think so,
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the fancy would want to win the game. But some
of the stuff, some of the play codes you haven't
and situations like that you're putting your team in homes.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, for me, it was it was taking him out
going to the wildcat when your best player, if you know,
he needs to be on the field. But what I
don't understand, I need somebody to explain to me why
did he go for two points on the first time
they scored a touchdown. That's what I need to understand,
because at that point in time on Joe, you don't
need it. You don't need it, you don't and then
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so let me guess this sad. So now we're down
eight because we didn't we we were dumb. I don't
know what happened. Maybe maybe an ego had a rock
and it dropped it on my Stefanski's head. I don't
know what happened. But so now we gotta go for two.
So we gonna take We're gonna take shaduor out and
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we're gonna run Wildcat. And the guy forgetting to pitch
the ball, I'm thinking. I'm thinking he was supposed to
pitch it O Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, he was supposed to pitch it. He was supposed
to come.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Around and he was gonna throw it. I guess somebody
else was gonna go our more pass. I guess, I guess.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean we're at this point in time on Joe,
we we we just like everybody else, we have we
have a loss for words.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I'm confused. I'm the only way as a head coach,
This is how I know a job isn't in jeopardy.
This is how I know a job is in jeopardy
because when your job is in jeopardy, you call plays
that are conducive for you to look good as a
head coach. And with a quarterback plan as well as
he was playing. Even if even if it one should
or a quarterback that has.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Taken him out like he had that game, You're not
taking him out.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
No, you're not taking him out because your job is
on the line.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You're not taking him out.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
The job is on the line. I need to do
everything I can to show management and those that are
in positions of power who can make the call on
whether I stay or go. That's coming from the top um.
Matter of fact, we can't even blame the coach. This
is the same situation. Who's the reason who took the
fall for Luca getting traded again? Stefanski is basically Nikofanski
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is basically Nico Collins. He's taking off, taking all the heat,
but the call is coming from up above.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You gotta listen, do.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Whatever you do, whatever you need to do, do whatever
you need to do to make him look bad because
they know why you're not trying to win. Are you
trying to take purposely? Are you trying to make your
team look bad purposely? Because that's exactly what you're doing
because you have every Cleveland Brown fan, every football fan,
scratch your head about the decision making you make it.
As a head coach, I've.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Had people reach out to me and ask me. They
don't even really know football like that, say why they
take your do out because they say, we asked. I'm
gonna ask you because I know you know you played
the game, you watch the game, you study the game.
I said, I don't know. It's like you know something.
I'm like, damn Cleveland, I don't know. Hell if I do,
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I tweeted, it needs to be studied. They need a Hey, DJ,
Department of Justice. I need y'all open up an investigation
and what the hell is going on in Cleveland? What
the hell is the fans k doing? Because it makes
no sense even if you want to run the wildcat,
considering that your quarterback is playing at a he's on fire.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He's horder than four foxes in a forest fire.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's how heart of you is, Ojo, and you take
him out, You take him out to think about this
O Joe, you take him out to have somebody else
throw pass, because that that's what it looked like. If
you was gonna flip it to him, what was he
gonna do? Run it or he was gonna run and
put him and throw throw up a pull up and
throw a pass. So that's what I list he was
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gonna throw.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Listen, he was gonna thro he was gonna throw it
to somebody if junkers it flipped the ball like it's
supposed to.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Obviously, misdirection.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know how well misdirection works when you're playing against
the defense that's extremely aggressive, extremely aggressive. You're you're hoping
somebody misses assignment and a and A in a back
in a back or a receiver or a tight end,
you know, leaks out and he's wide open.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
It didn't. It didn't work that.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I don't give it. I don't, I don't, I don't care.
I'm gonna go down. I'm gonna go down and look
if you you brought me this far, you brought me
this far. Yeah, if this is as far as you
can take us, what you bought a farther than I was.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it, and
I just told.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You it doesn't make hard.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Here's what stepansk you said about going for two that
last two point conversion.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Yes,
so what was supposed to.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Happen on that last two point conversion? Yeah, I'm not
going to get in all the specific cheff, but obviously
did not go as we thought it. Would you make
that call?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah? I make every call. I make every call.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Why would you take them off?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Again? It's a two point play.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
U didn't come through on our first two point play.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I got to the second two point play. We didn't
come through. But that's that's all me that.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Was that play call?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You times every I'm responsible for all of it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
No, I thought I thought you turned over play calling duties.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Now it's been reported, Mary Kay, I need you to
car I need you to let us know jump in
the chat because it was reported that he turned the
play calling over the timmy reached right?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Isn't that the OC?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I know everything's on you and you don't want to
get into it. Get into it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
What went into your thinking that when Shador Sanders had
led you that back from fourteen down. He had led
you back?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
What made you?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
What went into the decision to take him off the
field and potentially have someone else throw a two point conversion?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
What went into your decision, Gouse to Westy, hold on?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Hold on? Not only half someone else throw the two
point conversion? Half someone else throw the two point conversion.
That wasn't your quarterback. That was on fire like he
was playing NBA jams. Hold on a play like that
in college, I understand it, Yes, I understand it, because
they don't see it coming. In the NFL, it's not working.
That's a play for the movie The Long Yard, or
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maybe on Thanksgiving got you in the goddamn Turkey Bowl.
That's what it's for, or maybe the movie Waterboy. That's
when you run a play like that, not with a
game on the line that you're actually trying to win
and compete, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I swear for God on my mama recipeace.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I had to call two of my former coaches to
get a better perspective on what they were doing. Because
you've been a head coach, Please explain to me you've
been in that position before. If that was you, why
do you call a play like that, And of course
they wouldn't give me an answer. They wanted to keep
it pc.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Like why you should have been in that situation, because
you should have kicked the pat to begin with, Why
the hell you go for two on the first pat.
You're only down fourteen, You're down an even number, So
why the hell are you going?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Why are you hell are you going for two on
the first pat?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
If you just kick it now, you're down seven, Now
you don't have to chase the second point.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's what makes no sense to me. Nothing. First of all,
it didn't make who he started wanted. He went with Flacco.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, fine, they said Dylan Gable that drafted him in
the heard round. Okay, whatever the case may be. We
can't go back in time undo what's already done. But
moving forward, the guy gives you a great opportunity to
win a great opportunity. He's playing his ass off, and
you undercut him by taking him off the field. You
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undercut him by going for two when it's unnecessary. So
I'm just trying to figure out I don't want to
use the word sabotage, but I will say I'm trying
to understand your rationale and your thought process.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What goes into going for two the first time?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
When you're only down fourteen, you kick the pat, you're
down seven. Okay, now you're down eight because you didn't
get the first pat, I mean the first two point conversion.
So now you're down eight, you gotta go for it.
What goes into a rationale after you see what your
quarterback has done? Why would you take him off the field?
And as somebody that doesn't play the position, do you
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really are you really really trusting so one that haven't
thrown a pass to throw a pass in that situation,
in that moment, at that junk shut of game, you
really want to do that?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
O Joe? Is that really what you want to do?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Chat?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Hey'all know mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
They doing that on purpose. They're doing it on purpose,
and it just it's just not this. Just just think
about since training camp. Just think about all the games
they've continued to play, their organization has continued to play.
You know what you're doing just in general, they did
not want Young Bull to be a starter because they
understood if he gets the opportunity to play the numbers,
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you see him putting him up, putting them up, putting
up him getting an opportunity to play, hes going to
give him their best chance to win. They don't want
to win. What if they do want to win, they
don't want to win with him behind center. That's the
only answer I can think of for you to be
pulling that kind of bull drive. I saw there today
as a former player, as a football fan, as a
fan of the game. This is for anybody, for any team,
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for any quarterback. You always want to put your quarterback
and your team in the best positions to win, because
that's the point of at the point of playing this game,
you want to win. And that that shit, I'm sorry
that he pulled. The day was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
On the downside, I was disappointed in Cleveland's defense rush defense.
Tony Pollard had twenty five carries for a buck sixty one,
had a sixty five yard run, had another long run.
They got to do a better job of stopping the run.
And so now we can put more pressure on cam Ward.
But when you're in second, when you're second and short,
you're third and short, it's hard to rush the quarterback Ojoe,
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when you in short down in d because you don't
know they can run it. Now, if we got it
second and long, we got it third and long. Now
we can Now we can unleash Myles Garrett. Now we
can unleash some of these rushers. But I just need
somebody to tell me. I need I need someone to
explain to me. And I need you to explain it
to me as if I'm a seven year old. So
it's like a kid going to it father and he's
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asking him a question for that's what. I need somebody
to explain it to me, because it makes no sense
as a guy, oh Joe, it's guys that played the game.
As a guy that studied the game, and.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'm and that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I don't look at I don't look at touchdown. I'm
glad they scored. I'm looking at how they scored. I'm
looking at why they scored. I'm looking at what did
the defense do. I'm looking at what play was called,
what personnel were you in so I can have a
better understanding and sees, Okay, I saw what this worked.
But when you to do this, it makes no sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Can I say one thing.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Also, let's say the Cleveland Brown defense they've been playing,
they asked off all season. They've been playing their ass
off all season. They've been stopping the run. They've been
stopping the past. So you know what, you come to
a game where now we need the offense. When we
was down fourteen, goddamn it, the offense showed up.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
The offense showed up. They showed up.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Miles Garrett got to be pissed. A ward. They'll pitt
They have to be pissed because I know they see it.
I know if they I know if they was anybody
was miked up. I know on the sideline, if you
can hear the defensive player talking, they'd be like, man,
what the hell are we doing? What the hell are
we doing? Okay, they're running the ball on us. Now,
this is one of the few games we need an
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offense to have our back.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Longbe motherfucking hole. The offense had they back with a.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Position twice, two different drives, drove down the field, we scored,
we go for two.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
What we get the ball back, go right back.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Down the field again, and we do the same bullshit again.
They got to be pissed, but they can't say nothing.
They not gonna say nothing. They know it's some bull drive.
But players in that locker room, they can't see anything.
But they can see. Yeah, they can see. They can
see clear day. They know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
They know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
But if I could see it and them all the
way down here Miami, a thousand something miles away.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Come on, we know who who can play and who
can't play. We know who can play and who can't play.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
When you're in the locker room, you know exactly who
can play, and we know exactly who can't play. Get
I don't care what coach does. I don't care how
much money you make. I don't care where you were drafted.
I know if you can play or not because I
see you every day. They know Shdor Sanders can play.
They believe in Shador. The greatest thing your teammates can
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do is have a belief in You can trust you.
The Chargers defeated the Eagles by the score of twenty
two to nineteen, and overtime it looked like the Eagles
were going down to win or even.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Tie the game.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Win touchdown, tie field gold, and then we play on
then the next score wins. Instead, Jalen hurts throw into
heavy traffic. The ball was deflected by Tony Jefferson. That's
fourth interception for interceptions by Hurts, and he had another
fumble turn the ball over twice on one play. Yo. Yeah,
a new career high for interceptions in the game. Now
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for all you guys go about they need to let
Jalen Hurst throw more. Let Jaylor Hurst throw more. We
exhibit eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I was gonna say, obviously I didn't. Most of the time,
you think about Jalen and his decision making with the ball,
even though he doesn't throw the ball much, he always
protects the ball. I think before this game started on
the season, I think he maybe had three, maybe four
interceptions up to this point in the in the season,
and to have a game like tonight where his decision
making wasn't what it usually is, especially at the end
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of the game. Understanding the circumstances, the flat routers right there,
the flat routers right there, make the guy come up
make a goddamn tackle instead of trying to thank you,
hold on, instead of trying to squeeze a corner route
which you're running, which they running the corner route to
they goddamn short side of the field. So chances are
that's not gonna be over both of them.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
He can play the so so oh, Joe, you're to
your point because he's in between Goddard and the route.
You don't have space. You need space because where you're going.
You can't run a twenty yard out route because you're
gonna be out of the damn n zone. So when
god it goes up five yards and he goes up
seven yards, the guys in between, he can literally play
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proles that.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
That's obviously if you're gonna run that concept, if you're
gonna run that route, that that combination concept. You got
to run that to the wire side. You got to
run to the wire side. Why run something like that
in that situation to the short side of the field.
It makes no sense to me. But in that situation,
if you do run it, Jen has to know boom
as soon as that corner if soon the corner drops
off just a little bit, trying to play both, trying
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to play in between. Just take us in front of
you right now, let him, let him come up and
make the tackle.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
That's it you got to do.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
You live to see another.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Down, Ojo. Even if you run that to the short
side of the field, it needs you need to have distance.
You got to have separation. He gotta because he knows
where is number two. That's Dawson. I think that's Dawson, right, yes, yes, yes, yes,
where is he going? M He can only run so
far with hell, he'll be in Compton, but to be
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out of bounds, so no touchdown. So he knows that,
So now I can play. I can soft play it
because if you throw it the guard it, I'm gonna
come up. It's only a three yard game. I'm hoping
you throw it the garden so I can tap. But
guess what, since you didn't I get my hand up
in the ball. Care he played off of the night.
There's nowhere around it. One of those pigs wasn't his
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what's it called uh brown aj Aj? So that he
saw that linebacker, He saw that linebacker. That's the one
you got, that's the one you gotta. You gotta protect him.
He's you see the guy. You know there's a linebacker coming.
You gotta protect the guy. That's where you throw it
at his waist. That's why you get him down and
allow him to protect himself. Tell them u uh aj
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knows that he is up and coming. He's got to
make that catch. You gotta make a play. You can't
pop it up because if you're popping up the guy
this trailer you go, you'll get a pick every time.
It's as simple as that. But AJ knows he's got
got he's gotta make that play. But then he hit
on his zone. He hit the d tackle in the
damn chat and then the guy colored behind hold on.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Even listen that zone blessing that D tackle pop out
instead of rushing. That's hard to see. That's hard to
see for a quarter for quarter question. Yeah, the guy
that he was trying to throw it to was behind
the guy that he hit in the chat? How is
that hard to see? No, no, no, I'm just saying,
you know, that's why it's call his zone. Listening they
had that that D tackle pop out like that because
you're not expecting as a quarterback. You already what's the predetermined?
(36:42):
You already predetermined?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
What wanted you to say that?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah? Okay, that's all.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I just wanted him to say that chat.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He had already made his mind up where he was
going with the right, that's all I just wanted him
to say that. Chet.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
So here's the thing, O, Yoe, you make a terrible
read you hit the guy, the chance the guy comes
from behind him. Script some of the football. Okay, the
ball pops out, you get it. It's got a falling
on the ground because guess what your senses are changing?
Possession is your ball and his first down going exactly
Now you try to be hero, Jalen want to be
a herocause we're gonna talk about it on sports and
(37:18):
we're gonna talk about it tonight. If he gets that
ball up, it gets ten yards, get fifteen yards. So
instead of doing the wise sting, what did he try
to do with yo? Guess what happened on your ball?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Out again?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
You fumble again?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, Hey, it was a weird It was a weird
game tonight. It was a weird game tonight with so
many fumbles, whether it was special teams, whether you know,
both offenses. It was eight turnovers in the game to night.
I'm not sure what the what the record is for
the most turnovers in the game, but this has to
be up there with it. This has to be up
there with it. And I really thought the defense would
have saved the day for them, and obviously they would
(37:51):
have been at San Diego got a field goal in
the first overtime, So I thought, hell, E's gonna go down.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
To score, you know what you need.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I was actually hoping that gonna score, you know, for
their for for their sake and and with with the
what they played. But unfortunately the decision making on on
on Jalen, you know, at the end of the game,
it kind of it kind of hurt. And another thing,
one of the one of the best throws, one of
the one of the throws that that you talking about
(38:19):
that third and fifteen when he let that ball go right.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Off thet I know, to play exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Boy, that was beautiful. Boy, that was That's what we
call anticipating and letting it go and trusting your receiver.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
That was beautiful right there. Boy, that was our show.
That's what they ask him to do. That's what he
doesn't do well enough when it's when it's one on one. Yeah,
but see the really good one you have to throw
in the windows. You have to trust your skill set.
We're also trusting your receiver to be where he's gonna be.
But you really gotta trust yourself. You really have to
(38:58):
trust yourself. Yeah, hey, oh so Oko when you ran that,
when you ran that bang that bang ate, Hey, on
that seventh step or that glass rock, we called it.
You called it a bang a you called it a
glance with that seven step on the outside foot hit.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
When I do this ball, that ball should be right there.
I mean, I don't care what that safety does. I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
All I know is that corner is on my outside.
The ball is gonna be there. And the quarterback job
is to protect me, is to protect the throw. Don't
put it back here and make me do this and
so he can knock it down. Put it right there,
put it right there in the safety. Come, I can
protect myself.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Listen, and don't let the safety takeer goddamn bad angle.
And I want to keep that thing about the backside
and dip on it come out the backside. Hey, I
got I got away with I got. I got away
with it. One time. I never forget. We were playing
buff the Buffalo Bills at home, Nate Clemens. Nate Cleman
was guarding me. I'm not sure what that safety was
thinking about. But when I took that seventh step, or
(40:00):
like maybe my fift step, I was peaking at the
safety and oh he was in the wrong place. He
was in the wrong place. He had his feet he
had his feet set instead of getting back in that pedal,
he wasn't in. No, you already in the pull spread man.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I hugged that.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I hugged that bach and went in like a damn
near you turn. Hugged that bach and camp bick down
here and got up by the back of her scold.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Hi, we ain't got no ego. Fans of man on't yo,
but they're not in him. Ah nah, because you know
they normally whoa, whoa, whoa? What you got to say now,
o Joe? What y'all gotta say?
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Now?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
By the eagles?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Eagle fans, come on, we need you get the chat up?
Speaker 2 (40:40):
How many we got in the chat right now? Come on,
eagle fans.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I know y'all. Look they might be sleep on this late.
What what a bird?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Now, oh Joe? Normally, normally eagles fly, eagles fly. All
you see is eagles on everybody chat, eagles across the board.
Oh there you go, dren one there one there, Hey
they hey. But if you know, oh Joe, one of
the wings broke either like this here he got one
wing the other to his side, so we got to
(41:10):
get him to a bets in.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
The house a bed eagle hands landed, crash landed.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yep, this is a good thing about it though. The
Running game. The Running Game got going a little bit.
Saquan had one hundred and some change at night.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Carries.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, they got going. Let me see, let me see
what else. Hell, they still got a chance. Huh, they
still got a chance. They have a chance. They still
have a chance to win the division. They have to play.
They have to play.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
They got the commanders twice, they got the giants and
who else they got?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
The commanders is winnable. The commanders is winnable. James Daniels
is out for the season.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Oh, they got raiders commanders. There's a wills commanders. They
ain't the bills.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Listen that. That's that's the That's the toughest one right
there where they playing the bill's at They're playing no matter.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
They could play on the movie. You don't got no
faith in them, No, they ain't got no faith in them,
in them, in themselves. We've seen this movie before. Remember
a couple of years ago. They got off to that
great start and then they crash landed. Yes, eagle had
the eagle has crashed yes, we saw that. Doesn't it
seem doesn't it feel the same, the exact same way.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Matter of fact, this was this was the year before
the Super Bowl run. Actually yep, yeah yeah bowl Yeah
yeah yeah yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
The Eagles defense played extremely well. They sacked Justin Herbert
seven times. Has he not been as mobile and athletic
as he is, they probably would have got him ten
or eleven times. Yeah, way more than that.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
But look, they got to figure this thing out. They
really do.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I mean you look at Hunt had two and a
half sacks, Bond had a half a sack, Byron Young
had a sack of the half, the Kobe Dean had
a sack, Jordan Davis.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Had a sack of the half. I mean they were
they was on it.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah, and you know something let me let me but
Jayleen Hurst too on on two of those interceptions. One
was a j Brown's fault one the one that Deontay
Deontay Jackson or Danteante Johnson that that that wasn't on
Jayla Hurst. That was on Smitty. That's Smitty Smitty. I
(43:21):
love you.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh yeah when you slip out, yeah yeah, you you
got you.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Gotta come you gotta come out. That ball. You gotta
come you gotta come out that ball and you can't
stop and you gotta come back to it.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
That that that that that was a slip. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
And normally when you slip, when you try to plan
on your inside foot and you try to roll in
that foot get out from under you. Yeah, instead of
instead of dropping, oh joe, instead of dropping you wait,
putting that weight on new quads for me.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I know they're small, they ain't the whole.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, they small, smitty, but you got to get back
downhill because if you roll out that inside foot, yeah,
it's gonna get out from under you. And he's throwing
it on anticipation. Yeah, and this is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Uh, but it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I meant, have you ever.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Seen a turnover? There's two turnovers on one play by guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Hold on, a long time ago, the New Orlean Saints
was playing I think the Redskins. Remember somebody fumbler the
ball or somebody fumbled the ball and then Robert Meacham
I think it was Robert Meacham. The Saints had the ball.
It was an interception that roer but hold on the
ball from he.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
No, but the same guy did it, though I know
the player you're talking about. He threw a pick.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
The guy fumbled, Robert Meachin took it from it, went
back the other way with it. Yeah, I'm talking about
the same guy. He throws a pick.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
No, no, no, I've never seen that. I've never seen that.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I've never seen it either.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I've never and I've seen some some wacky, wacky, wacky
wacky plays Outlook. The ball bounces funey and you see
some stuff that you like you normally wouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Who is that?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
I think jackson Houston playing Houston, and you talked to
bat it down. He basked the ball down, O joe.
But he bashed it right to a Houston Texan. I
mean to a Jacksonville Jaguar who walks in the end
zone on the hell Mary, Yeah, because you knock it down,
knock it down, Oh damn. He right there, knocked it
down right in his arm, and he walked right into
the end zone. We see Jacksonville run all of was
(45:20):
that Jacksonville of New Orleans that run all over the field.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
They ran a.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Lateral oh joe, like forty times to score. They scored,
and then the guy come on and missed the pat
But yeah, yeah, I mean I think I saw something.
They said it's the first time since seventy eight, so
(45:47):
I don't know, but it's it's a rare play. Ain't
a whole lot of people have seen that play because
the NFL wasn't covered like it is now, and a
lot of people wasn't born in seventy eight, So somebody
might have saw it, But I have never s seen it.
And I've seen a lot of wacky things because I've
been around since sixty eight, been watching football since seventy seventh. Well,
I've been watching to understand what I remember. The first
(46:08):
game I probably remember is that we went over to
my great grandmother's house on a Monday night to watch
OJ for real, Yeah, to watch OJ OJ that was
playing on a a Monday night, and we wanted to see,
wanted to see my grandfather wanted to see OJ. And
so but look, this game, really the pressure is starting
(46:30):
to mount on the Eagles because they had.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
They got up to this great star. Oh Joe, they
were they were four or.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Five games clear.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Oh yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
They messed Abudy and losing they mess a right to
lose another game, and the cow hold on how many games.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
They've got to win? They've got to win.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
The Cowboys are what five and what the Cowboys are
sixty six and one, so they've got.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
To win.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Three to the next five. Yeah, yeah, three to the
next five.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Well, charge it up for the Raiders. They're gonna win.
Beat the Raiders. So yeah, they both teams got four games,
so they're gonna have to the Cowboys could only most
of the Cowboys can win. It's ten, right, they could
be ten six and one. Raiders win up Raiders. The
(47:21):
Eagles win three of their last four, they get to eleven.
Eleven is more than ten. It'd be very interesting to
see him if they go two and two. Yeah, because
now the Cowboys win, because the Cowboys is ten and
six one, and y'all to be ten and seven. Green
(47:44):
Bay toughed out a home win against the Bears team
then when nine of the past ten coming in and
knocked them off the defending Super Bowl Chaps on Black Friday.
Green Bay hasn't allowed more than sixteen points in any
of its three losses. Christian Watson looked like a true
number one receiver. Green Bay has beaten the Lions twice
and the Bears once so far this season. For the winners,
(48:07):
Jeordan Love seventeen to twenty five, two thirty four, three touchdowns,
one pick. Josh Jacobs twenty carriers eighty six yards, one touchdown.
Christian Watson had four had four catches eighty nine yards,
two touchdowns along with forty one on four targets. He
caught everything. Bo Melton one catch forty five yards. He
had two targets. Jane Daniels had four targets, had four
(48:31):
catches thirty one yards. They played extremely well. Caleb Williams
he was nineteen or thirty five, won eighty six, two touchdowns,
one interceptions. They ran the ball thirty two times fo
one hundred and thirty eight yards. They made plays. Green
(48:52):
Bay defense bowled their back when they need to. I'm
sure yeah, which he wish he could have that throwback
O Choe because he was can get his hips around
fast enough and throw it and he'll allow the safety
to get back in and make a play.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
But we watched this game. It just that's what's the
frustrating part.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
You see Jordan Love and how he just throws the
ball and in some games you just look at him like, Jordan,
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (49:16):
What was that seed?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah? Oh man, what is hey a beldo? But uh,
the Packers three hundred and thirty seven total yards. Really
clean game, nice game. Let's see team stats here. Uh.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Josh Jacob was twenty twenty for twenty Carris eighty six
yards and the TV Christian Wahsington led all the receivers
with foe for eighty nine and two tds both teams.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Green Bay was eight or twelve on fourth third down. Uh.
Chicago was eight of sixteen third down one of two
on fourth downs. Chicago had sixty eight total plays. Green
Bay had fifty two. Chicago had three hundred and fifteen
total yards. Packers had three thirty seven. Both had nine
total drives. Chicago had the ball thirty almost thirty four minutes.
(50:30):
Packers had it for twenty six this day.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Hey, they got, they got, they got, they got off
the Caleb real well. Uh, they had him uncomfortable most
of the game. They had uncomfortable most of the game.
Blessing bringing pressure and then the Bears had a good,
good offensive game plan for that, doing a lot of misdirection,
rolling them out to get him away from the pressure.
(50:55):
But man, it. That last drive was the last drive.
I think it was a third or fourth.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Down, the fourth down with the interception. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
That's pull down with an interception. Oh man, that was
a good game. I know the Bears lost, but that
was a really really good game with a very good
a very good Packers defense. I mean, she ain't really
much I can say about that one. Boy, they played well.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Uh yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Think Look, I think that I think Chicago is a
head of schedule oho with how well they're playing. But
I think they're gonna only get better. I think they
have a very very bright future. Uh. They have the quarterback,
they got a running game, they got good quality receivers,
they got two tight ends, they revamped the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I like the defense. The defense is really good.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Uh but green Bay just you know, green Bay. When
they had to dig deep and when they needed to
make a stop, they got it. And sometimes that's when
it comes. Look, this is division game, this is the
oldest this is the oldest river in the NFL. They've
been playing each other a hundred plus year, So we'll
not they got a you've probably been they got over
(52:12):
one hundred matchups. I think the Packers were the first
team in nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty. I think the Bears
were shortly there after that, so they probably got damned
the two hundred matchups between the two of them. But
when you look at lo Jo, the division rival, it
doesn't matter if they're good. If one team is good
the other team is bad, you already know what you're
gonna get. We see each other every year, we've been
(52:34):
in the same It used to be the NFC Central,
now it's the NFC North.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
We know what to expect. We don't like you.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
We're we're about two hours away from each other Green
Bay in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
You don't like us. We don't like you. Let's get you.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
A damn But I like I like what I saw
from I like what's from Green Bay. I like the
throws that are uh George love man.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
He I mean he just his matter of rhythm just
reminds you so much.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Of Aaron Rodgers' like Rogers M yeah, am, But I
mean he thrown off his back foot, but he made
he made plays when they had to have him. His
receiver stepped up and made catches when they had to
have him. Now, Christian Watson, man, he can play if
he can just stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
O Joe.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, I guy can fly, he got great hands, he
run good, he run good routes. It's just his ability
to stay healthy. And when you have that kind of speed,
O Shoe, you know you're gonna have normally have hamstring problem.
I'm surprised that's something Tyreek really never faced, because you
know most guys O Shoe, they have hamstring issues, they
have you know, soft tissue injuries. You know, Joe Galloway
(53:50):
was plagued with hamstring issues, but Christian Watson had that
he towards me. But he's come back and he's playing
he's playing extremely, extremely extremely realy well. But Kayla Williams
is gonna get better. Look it's a little set back.
And I'm sure he loved to have that throw. I mean,
you don't have to you don't have to get really
(54:11):
out all the way outside.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I know that's what you like.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Try to put pressure on the defense by getting there
right now. But hey, if that guy's open, pull up
in poppy, pull up and let him mak right now.
Rashid hit Rashid Shaheed return the second half opening kickoff
FO one hundred yards touchdown and the Seahawks blow out
the halfless Falcons thirty seven to nine. The Seahawks broke
(54:35):
away with a sixty sixth time halftime with a thirty
one point beat down in the second half, and the
Falcons the Seattle's defense came up with three turnovers that
the Seahawks won for the seven times in eight games.
In eight games, Donald threw two ardred and forty nine
yard three touchdown, a pair of score to Jackson JSN
Jackson Smith and Jabs, and another one to Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Hey, JSN balling. Oh every week.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, look, he had a little timporary shutting and shut
down last week. They did a great job of, you know,
bracking him and making it tough on him. But you
look at he had seven catches for ninety two yards
on ten targets. She he'd had four for sixty seven.
Club had two for thirty five and a touchdown on
three targets.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
They look, hey, that's a nice little trio. Quietly, that's
a nice little trio. You got Jackson who can do
everything intermediate short the Cooper Cup was a tremendous out
rock runner and Rashizi he could take the top off
a goddamn building man, perfect perfect combination, perfect trio receiver.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
I thought the game got away from him. Looked like
Atlanta was going in the score and then Jon fumbled
the football and they really didn't look bad after that.
I mean, it kind of broke their back once they
fumbled that football, because you go down there to get
a score. Or Cousins turned the ball over three times
twice with the thumbles, so they had three turnovers and
(56:06):
it's hard. It is hard to overcome when you have
three turnovers. It's hard, and you're playing a good team.
The Seahawks are quality team. They are a quality team.
They're gonna be a tough out because they can run
the football. They got a quarterback. Now, look the question
that will Sam Donald turned back into that pumpkin if
you put pressure on them in the playoffs, because we
saw that last year where they went to I think
(56:27):
that was Detroit for in the first round. Yeah, but
they got a defense, they got two corners that can
lock it down. They got pressure, they can bring pressure.
DeMarcus Lawrens has found new life, Jaron Reid. I mean,
they got Leonard Williams, they gotta they got a really
solid defense and they got wollen and fom the safety
is will come up and thump you.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
And they got the grid and coverage. They're good. They're
gonna be They're gonna be tough out for somebody. They're
gonna be a tough out for somebody.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
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