October 7, 2025 • 58 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver the best of NFL Week 5 reactions! Unc & Ocho break down: Drake Maye's performance versus the Bills, Texans dominating the Ravens, Jaguars stunning the Chiefs and much more
0:00 - Patriots vs Bills
9:52 - Cowboys vs Jets
23:37 - Ravens vs Texans
36:05- - Chiefs vs Jaguars
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The Patriots, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Very very very interesting game, very good game, man bad.
That was a barn burner. The Patriots go to Buffalo
and they win. Drake May twenty two or thirty two,
seventy three. He didn't have a touchdown, he didn't have
it interception, a clean game. He was snacked four times.
But man Stefan Diggs gets his revenge. He played out
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of his mind. Team ketches for a buck forty six.
Josh Allen twenty two thirty one, two fifty three, two touchdowns,
won an exception. Dalton kin kd led them with six
ketches for a buco eight. But I thought the Patriots
played unbelievable and they won, and they deserve to win
this game. There are no more unbeatens. This was the
last of the unbeaten and the thanks to the New
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England Patriots. They go into Buffalo and come away with
a hard fought road division win.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We'll see how this thing shapes up as we move
forward down the line, but a New England has to
be proud of what they were able to do on
the road.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
What did you like about what you saw from the Patriots?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
What I like from the Patriots with drink maybe everything?
Can you hear me on? You got to you got hey,
you gotta charge some things up. Baby, let me know
where you can hear me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Here we go? Hello, Yeah, I can hear you not?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Heard nothing?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We got time?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Chat?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Chat? Long as me?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
If I'm going to dream chack? Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
You good?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Okay, then you're good. You're good. You're good, You're good.
Let me know you're ready.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm good, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
So what I like from the Patriots was a quarterback play. Yep,
quarterback play because if you if you look around the league, right,
I'm gonna get get back to the page. If you
look around the league, all the teams that have a
chance in winning have a quarterback. They have consistent play
at the position. There's a reason if you watch the game,
all the games today, including the Knight's game, to have
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a chance to win and compete, you need a quarterback.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Drake may phenomenal game.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It seemed like the offense basically was was filtered in
this game through Stefan Diggs showing that he's still capable
of playing. He's still capable of making plays, and he
showed out the night. Drake May had a clean had
a very clean game. Buffalo obviously some unfortunate turnovers. The
Patriots had turnovers as well, but what's what's uh Stevens'
(02:55):
first name?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Remind Drake?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had some, but it didn't affect
him when it comes didn't affect them when it comes to,
you know, winning the game.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It could have been costly.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Outside of that, the Pages played a really really good game,
especially on defense as well.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
They did a great job of containing Josh and containing
those receivers wherever they got, wherever they caught the ball
at they made sure they didn't do a great get
run after the catch. I think Secura got away with
like one time. But you're right, oh, Joe, when you
have a quarterback, when you have a calming, I mean
you look at the way Drake May played a hostile
environment against the division rival. He was twenty two or
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thirty two, seventy three. Although he didn't throw a touchdown,
he didn't turn the ball over, he didn't put the
ball in harm's way. The last thing that you can
do is turn the ball over. Now, it negated I
mean you mentioned Romandre Stevenson. He turned the ball over.
But when you get three, turner was when you forced three.
Now you greatly increase your chances of winning because you offset.
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You not your plus two. It could have been plus three,
but your plus two in the turnover battle Buffalo did not.
You know, I wasn't surprised that James Cook couldn't get
going because the Patriots are really good against the run.
Defensive minded head coach. He was a great he was
a look. I played against Brabil yeah, and he was solid.
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Oh Joe, if he's supposed to be in the flat,
he had his ass in the flat. If he was
supposed to be in the hook, he was gonna be
in the hook. If this job was to set the edge,
you weren't go hooking. So and he coaches. He asked
his players to be smart, He asked his players to
be disciplined, and you can see it coming through. They
played really well. The Patriots gonna be looked. I thought
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the Patriots would be good if they got to hurt
a head coach. Yes, because that quarterback has he has it,
but brave but brable man. And they got a guy
a number one receiver in Stefan Diggs that made every
play that needed to be made tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
They had him for a sack.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He was just trying to throw the ball away and
somehow he gets it to Digs and he picks up
fourteen yards. If that was the start. Sometimes, don't you
in a situation too many drill like that? Yes, that's
the start you need, You need that one positive plate
to start to drive, to kick it off.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You know what, and it we're gonna win this game. Man.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That ain't suppoled to happen like that, not at all.
They and they got it going from there. But you
have to be impressed with what you saw from the Patriots. Now, hell,
I'm thinking about how the Hed y'all lose two games
when y'all played like this?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And the funny thing about it is, I like the
jump the jump that Drake may is made from year
one to year two, and having games like this is
only going to continue to build his confidence. And when
you have games like this, you have an officer of
coordinator like Josh Daniels and you're able to make some
of the throws you made the night. To have a
clean game like this, he can add more to your plate.
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He can add more to your plate, and you can
do more offensively. So the Patriots going to be hell
to deal with for the foresee of your future, as
long as Drake may continue to stay upright and stay healthy,
and you have players as.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Long as long as they don't turn the ball over.
All right, at the end of the day, it's still
about turnovers.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yes, most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We're just leaving through the computer. You need to purchase
some new ones. I don't know what's going on with those.
O Joe, you got me, Yeah, I got your baby.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
My air pods, my AirPods shot. So I'm coming through
the computer right now.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Good, I'm coming through the computer too.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You good.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Now you look Buffalo, I don't look. Yeah, you turned
the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Over and hey, Josh, they had three right three.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Josh fumble, he threw a pick. Jones made the great
jump on the ball. But when you bro when you
and what Josh had done, say the last fifteen sixteen games, Yeah,
done a great job of taking care of football.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You've been clean.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And that's the way because these teams it's hard for
you to turn the ball over and win in today's game. Yes,
because for the most part you're going up against the
team that got a quarterback that I'm not saying Drake Mays. Obviously,
Drake May is not on the level of Josh Allen,
but he can play well enough. If you give them
let them be plus two. Now, you can't put him
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in harm's way. You're gonna catch Hill beating them.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know what the good thing is when you have
a quarterback like Josh Allen, He's one of the few
quarterbacks that can have a three turnover game and still.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Overcome overcome it.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yes, you can still overcome it because of how well
that team is running.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Some of the plays that he can make not only
with his arm, but hell, you can make it with
his legs too.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yes, they did a great job of neutralizing his legs tonight.
Oh Joe, he did have a long of nineteen, but
nine for fifty three.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It really didn't hurt him. They did a great job
of containing him.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
He didn't beat them, They didn't give up the big
the big chunk he runs to James Cook. But I
thought the Patriots they deserved to win this game. They
did a great job getting the ball for forcing Buffalo
to settle for the field goal and not getting in
the end zone and needing a touchdown in order to
win the ball game. So give their defense credit because
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when they needed to bote it back and they did
to held them to what made them kick what three
two field goals? Yeah, two field goals that could have
easily you know, turning the touchdown, because that's what the
Bills normally do when they get down there, because Josh
is so dynamic with his legs and his arm, they
put you, they put you under the gun. But the
Patriots today was able to neutralize that. It's like, nah,
(08:38):
bro Na, We're not going for that.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Today.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
The Buffalo Bills get a very tough victory on the
road against a division opponent by the score of twenty
twenty three twenty. They basically walk it off. He was
ten seconds left and so unless something unforeseen were to happen,
they weren't going to win this game. So, you know,
the Patriots, congratulations, they got people's attention.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Oh Joe, Yeah, absolutely. And you know what else I
like about Drake may two. What's the thing the one
thing a defense tried to do to rattle a young quarterback,
especially only in his second year. You bring pressure, you
bring pressure, and every time they bought pressure, he found
a way to beat it. Every time, even though he
was getting flushed out the pocket because there was always
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a man, there was always a man that was free,
that was coming, he still found a way to make
up play. And if there wasn't anything there, he didn't
put the balls in arms away.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh yeah, they.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But Buffalo goes to five, four and one, Your Patriots
move up to three and two. See how this thing
shapes out. I still believe Buffalo is the class of
that division. Of course, it probably is not going to
be as easily as we previously thought. No, God, Boys
(09:58):
go to the metal Yeah, I don't know if they
call it the Metal Lands anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Met Life Stadium, that's what they call it. And they win.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
They molly walked the Jets thirty seven twenty two the
two two and one not Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Jets are zero and five.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Dak Prescott was sensational eighteen of twenty nine two thirty seven,
four touchdowns, no interceptions, Javonte Williams sixteen carries of buck
thirty five.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Uh. He was running the football.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
The Cowboys were missing four starters on the offensive line
and By the time the first half ended, the Cowboys
had one hundred yard Russia and Javonte Williams and a
one hundred yard receiver in Ryan Floordinoid and Dak Prescott
had two touchdown passes to his tight end Jake Fergus
Justin Fields was thirty two and forty six two eighty three,
two touchdowns. His offensive line is are very good. Their
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defenses are very good. I thought their defense would be better,
yeah than what is shown thus far.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And Bran Breeches Hall had fourteen carries for Buck thirteen
oh chuck for one hundred and forty four yards.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
He was to and they got blown out.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, but but listen that God damn Javonte Williams, Johanna
Williams like that.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It opens up everything else for that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
He looks like the Carolina Javonte Williams. You remember when
he came out on Yo, how he ran the football.
He was coming back off of knee surgery, so it
needed he needed to get one year removed after that
knee surgery. Now he looks like the guy.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Hey he was toting that thing.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And listen, you.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Come up there, you come up there to the party.
He gonna dish it, he gonna dish it. Oh yeah, Hey,
that goddamn Dak looked good boy.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Oh he athority that he was dealing.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And that god damn Dak looked good pickings out, Yo,
Ferguson out there getting jiggy.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I like I like Ferguson. I've always liked fergus he
mes a rookie. Oh yoe.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You know what annoys me with DB's what when you
get up there and press coverage and you open the door.
Oh yeah, yeah, if you gonna get him press coverage,
put your hands on the guy.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
If you not back your ass off.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Wait was it bail technique?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It was sauce.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, it wasn't bail, No he was he was just
just open the door and pick red right by.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Uh he thought you thought you thought people gonna rush.
So I'm sure, and I bet.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
If you open the door, my granty used to say
all the time, boy, open the door, flies come in
the house.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Kay, you opened you up in press coverage.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I want you gotta realize, if you open the gate,
the guy gotta run and start. Now you have to
turn and run. You're not catching up with these top
flight receivers. Look, I don't like to be the bar
of bad news. The saut Garden that hadn't been the
same since his rookie year. If we being all the
way honest, if we be, if we being one thousand
percent honest, you've been the same since they started calling
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all that clutching and holding, and they let him get
away with his rookie season. Chat y'all know it, washing
Tate watching. He ain't the same. He the highest paid. Congratulations,
But ain't no way I'm putting him up there with Stingley.
I'm putting him up there with certain No.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I mean, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, listen, listen. Now, I understand he might get that,
he might get the call, he might get the holding calls.
He he might you know, get beat some time. But
young Bull is paid significantly because he showed on film
he's worth with his.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Been the same since the rookie year.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Okay, okay, watch him, watch the tape.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Look at him. He ain't been the same. He's not
not here and he ain't even close. He ain't even
close to certain. We need to stop that discussion.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
That's that's two totally different bodies.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Of working certain.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
They by himself many by himself. Joy, I'll just be
all the way one thousand with Joe Joe and and
chat Jets fans. If you being honest, y'all watched him
over the last three four years, he ain't been in
the same sense of rookie year because they call all
that clutching and holding that he don't really get that
he was getting away with they calling it now.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Not damn.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You do understand, defensive back is the hardest position to
play on the field.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yes, I do, Yes, yes, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh Joe he makes thirty million dollars a year. Yeah, yeah,
I guess what it was hard when he was a rookie.
He was defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, we don't. We don't do that.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Hey, as you as you make, as you make more
more as expected, don't y'all, you don't get to still.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Look, you don't get to stay the same.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You're like, well, you know, hey, no, you're you're supposed
to try to elevate. I'm gonna show everybody why they
gave me this money. Yes, they paid you for that
Defensive Player of the Year. I mean defensive Rookie of
the Year. They paid you for that All Pro. They're
paying you now because they said, we believe moving forward,
he gonna be better than what he was to make
us give him this money. So we're gonna be getting
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them out of bargain. He's not playing well, and it's
okay to say that. For somehow we've gotten away from
Like if a guy's not playing well and he's a
good player, it's okay to say he's not playing well,
Chad Chat he's not.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He's not. And it could be a receiver, it could
be a running back, it could be a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I'm not taking because somebody's not playing away currency.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
The thing is ojoe.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
A lot of times when you say a player isn't
playing well, their fan base or family members or even
them think you're trying to discredit what they've already done.
I cannot take away the All Pro, nor would I
attempt to. I can't take away that Pro Bowl, that
Defensive Rookie of the Year. You've got that, But what
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that got to do with how you playing right now?
That's still on your resume.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You know what I would love I wish I wish
I had in front of me.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
See, I'm on the road, so I don't have my
other computer in front of me and look at some
of the numbers on how he's played this year. So
I would have to do my homework first, because I
don't watch the Jets significantly. I watch all the games
as a whole. You know, watching the TV copy it
doesn't give you a fair a fair way to judge
or assess how an individual players plan until you get
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to see the numbers. So I mean you would know
better than me because I haven't been able to watch
the Jets outside of Justin Fields and what Justin Fields
and Garrett Wilson are doing. So I gotta check that out.
I gotta check that out. But I know one thing.
If you you don't pay a player thirty million dollars.
I'm just saying, you don't pay a player thirty million
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dollars if he's regressing from his rookie year. So that
that's why it's hard.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
He does not look the same, and I don't think
I don't I don't think anybody that watch, if they're
being honest, can look at and say, you know what, yeah,
Sauts is the same guy we saw as a rookie
he's not.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
He is not.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Jets employed nineteen full time coaches over six decades. Today,
Aaron Glenn became the first to start his tenure with
five straight losses. Coach that is known for his defense,
the Jets are paced to allow the most points in
franchise history. Glenn states that he has no plans for
taking over play. Call him from DC. Steve Wilks, O, Joe,
(17:23):
We've seen very few black coaches get tied to figure
things out.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Do you believe because.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
We saw Steve Wilkes in Arizona, we saw a last
year coaching.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
In New England.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Do you believe that he's going to get an opportunity
to figure this thing out?
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Absolutely absolutely. It's his first year. And obviously it was
Steve Wilkes first year. It was the what was the
coach in New England last Yearrod Mao?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
It was his first year. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
But obviously you know they want they want, they wanted.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Okay, So what if what so? What if what if
another coach is out there? You say they want it? Okay?
What if they want somebody else and he's available.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't know, I don't know, you know, if any
if anything, you would think the Jets would have a
head start and have success on the defensive side of
the ball, because that's what that's that's what that was
their identity, that's always been their identity.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
The defense was really good. The defense really good.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I'm not sure what's going on now, but if there's
one thing you you probably thought you wouldn't have to
worry about when it came to the football season or
this season is starting, is the just defense. Just focus
on offense and hoping justin field, justin fields? Is your
answer for the for seer of the future.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, the Jets had us fool of ojo because we
looked at men when they had Zach Wilson and they said,
oh if they and I'm saying, that's a here and
what that's what that's what made him go out and
get Aaron Rodgers. I say, now, but you say, you're
under the premise that the defense is going to be
just as good, if not better, because if they have
any slippage, that the quarterback is not gonna be able
to overcome that that defense hadn't been the same. Since
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you got to go back Zach Wilson, you got to
go way way back to talk about that defense. Don't
nobody fear that defense? Now, No they don't. Justin Field's
constantly running for his life. Sack five times for forty
nine yards.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's their mess. Yeah, there are.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Hey, you know another thing too. I'm not officer coordinator
on but most of the time you have officer lines.
I think about I think about the Bengals, I think
about the Jets. I think about other quarterbacks that are
in situations where the officer lines aren't that good. I
don't understand, for the life of me, if you know,
if you know the officer in life not good, put
your quarterback under set them and just run quick game.
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Just run quick game.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I don't understand whether what happened though. They fell behind
so quick they couldn't think about it. Brets Hall had
fourteen cares for a buck thir team. But you behind,
I mean that was behind. I mean Dallas. This car
was twenty three to The score was twenty three three
at the half. The care was thirty to six at
the end of the fourth. At the end of the
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third quarter, how the hell we gonna run the ball?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
We down twenty three three at a half, we down thirty.
We found thirty to six in the third quarter. Ain't
no more running.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
You ain't got no choice.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Receivers, run your ass and get open. That's what the
running you do it the running backs, I'm sorry you
blocking or you're chipping your way out that it is
what it is.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, and you know it's funny. But see, maybe the
Bills are built a little different. A high percentage of
the time, anytime Josh Allon is in shotgunn it's a pass. Yes,
A high percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Anytime is out the center, it's a run.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Every so often he'll be shot.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You're trying to throw you off, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And they're definitely tell to you.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
It's still very early in the season. But now that
we're in week five, everybody should everything should be churning.
Offenses should be churning. You should be hitting your stride,
you should be hitting your rhythm. At this point, Defenses
should be ahead of the eight ball because all you
got to do is read and react.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And sometimes, O Joe, you know you have these expectations
of defense, but you don't really know.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
You hope you think that teams.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Because every year we have a team that comes up,
our springs up out of nowhere, makes the playoffs. We
have an offense that like, damn, I didn't know they
had this in them. Or we have a defense, and
then we have teams that we expect take a step back,
be an offensively defense or to team. In totality, I
thought the Jets would be better. They got to do
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better than this.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Son, were you zero to five? You know how difficult
it is to climb out of a hole.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh Joe, you do realize in order to be five hundred,
you'd have to win five straight, five straight? What's the lifelihood? Hell,
they can't win one of the row? How the hell
they gonna win five of the row? And it doesn't
get any easier? And what's the schedule? Is to just
next five games?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
They are? They got so guess what? They go to
Denver at Broncos.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
You know what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
They got Okay, they home to the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
They're gonna beat y'all. They gonna beat y'all.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh, they got y'all on you on the schedule. Who Jets?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
They plan they playing in Cincinnati? They planning uh in Cincinnati?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, they got Broncos, Panthers, Brink, Bengals Browns.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Oh, that's tough, that's tough. They might be Oh, they
might be.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Sho. We know one thing the Broncos can get after
your damn quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Absolutely and James Hurts mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Well and listen, you you got you get.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
The one thing you do have for Jayleen hurt for
about Jayen Hurts for Justin Fields is he can run,
he can move.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, they don't give him a chance to move because
by the time you get to snap somebody, if it's
somebody on.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It in his face.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, yep, damn well you you you want to do
everything you can to start fast, but a whole Oh.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Listen over and five in New York. Yep, man, please.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The Texans dismantled, beat up Ravens teams forty forty ten.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Don't do that, Shockey.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Don't do that. Don't do don't do that. Don't do that,
because when you talked about the Bengals, you didn't say
beat up.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You just said lost to the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Just say that, Houston, Texans dismantled the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Don't you're gonna let me. You're gonna let me finish
the readA.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Though, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, finish finishes.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Soaltimore now to a shockgate what and four record. The
Texas scored six touchdowns in four games it scored five today.
The forty four points is the most by team in
a home game in the John Harbor.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Eighteen season era.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The Ravens are on pace thirty five point four points
per game to shatter the Panthers twenty twenty four NFL
record most points allowed five hundred and thirty four, John
Harbor said. John Harbaugh said after the thirty four point
loss that Zach Orr will remain the defensive coordinator. I
don't think that's the answer. We have to go to
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work is what we need to do. We need to
stick together is what we need to do. We need
to find find ourselves and that has to do with
coaches players working together.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Absolutely well.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Listen, I don't want you to say foot or with
that ravens Hellet go get that ravens helmet for me.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Get this is in the closet. Is in the closet.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Wait, that's exactly where it belonged, trapped in the closet.
Y'all was a busital today. Y'all were horrible today. Y'all
were horrible. Offensively, y'all were horrible day, horrible.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
All sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
C J.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Stroud This was the best CJ. Strouds looks his rookie year,
rookie year.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I was just gonna say that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Twenty three or twenty seven, two hundred and forty four yards,
four touchdowns, no interception, He was sacked twice. He was
had a ninety nine point nine QBR. They ran the
ball thirty three times for a buck sixty seven.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
NICOA.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Collins had a touchdown. Hutchinson had two touchdowns. Noel had
a touchdown. Cooper Rush. I don't know who. Look, we
don't need to talk about this, but we know Cooper
Rush is not the answer. If Cooper Rush is the answer,
I need to know the question that you're asking. Oh anyway,
he was four team of twenty one, seventy nine, three interceptions,
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sacked once. Deack Henry had fifteen rushes thirty three yards
and a touchdown. Key On Mitchell had three for eight yards.
Justice Hill had one for three yards. Zay Flowers had
five catchers for seventy two yards. D howk two for
forty six?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Wait a minute, how many interceptions did Cooper Rush have three?
How many interceptions did Jake Browning have three? Okay, so
that means that means they scored forty four yard ain't
scored forty four on us.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
It took me on the ten yard line? What Jay
took me on a ten yard line? Y'all said, No, y'all, coach,
you didn't know. You couldn't put the ball. Y'all putted
the ball and we didn't land in the landing area,
and so they got the ball down to the ten
yard line. It could have scored again on you.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
He scored forty four on your team. Forty four.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
That's not your team. That's not your team.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
They scored forty four on your team.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh okay, I thought you said that was your team.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Listen, you talking would a little too much volume and
basic forty fourteen. That just lost forty four to ten.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, bet look.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, oh Joe, you already down Vanoy Madabek humph and
you're safe to Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, so you're down four
starters there, and you're down Lamar Jackson and your defense
was already struggling. So you down four started on the
defensive side of a defense that's already struggling.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, wait a minute, it ain't gonna get no better.
It wasn't gonna get no better even if they was healthy,
because when everybody was healthy, they still wasn't doing nothing.
They still wasn't about nothing. Now the only chance you do.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I'm glad you said that because they remind you of
the Bengals, right, because when Joe Burrow was healthy there
last year, they were giving them thirty a game.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Let me finish, Let me finish any chance y'all do
have the only promising hope for Ravens fans, for that
organization even compete, Well, you need eight what you.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Got to have pomp of those finers out there in
order to compete. Well, it doesn't look like he brought
Probably be back.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
How long are you gonna be out?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I know they say one of two weeks, one of
three weeks. It all depends on how how hold on.
Oh Kyle Benoy played it that he got a sign.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Oh oh oh.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
You don't say and it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Hang it ain't help though.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, don't mean they needed more.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Uh, look, ain't No, ain't no easy way to say this,
But it's not gonna get.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Better for the Ravens. Ooh yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's not that they're not get they're not going to
get better. And it seems like that lost open the
night that they had that lead. It took a lot
out of them. You hate to say one game, o Joe,
but you're in this situation. Remember you had it, had
them on the ropes last year and the playoff game
and you lose that one in heartbreaking fashion. You had
a big lead in the game, starting them what was
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that Sunday night? And you lose that one and they
really never got their footing back after that.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, what's Baltimore? Give me?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Baltimore's the next five games? Ash, it doesn't look like
it's gonna getting it better.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh it's not.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
It's definitely not. It's gonna get better for us before
it get better for y'all.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I can say.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I could, I can tell you that, and I say
I say that in a respectful manner as someone who
loves the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Rams. They got the Rams next.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's a loss. Bears, that's a loss. Vikings, Dolphins, Oh, Dolphins,
that's a win. They got the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's a win.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay, Vikings, then Brown and then Brown's Oh they're gonna
beat the Dolphin. Everybody to beat the Dolphins. So y'all,
y'all got y'all gonna go.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
While you talking. Your Dolphins got crushed.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
They did. Caroline beat them man Discover twenty seven, twenty four.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You're talking about crushed.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
They wouldn't have a lead. Huh, y'all would lead. I know.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But you said we got crushed. We ain't get crushed.
And the Panthers been playing some good ball. Well you
see Bryce, y'all what you talk about. It ain't like, oh,
the Dolphins got crushed. No, the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Dolphins got beat Arolina. Carolina put foots in them.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Hold on, Carolina, the same team that just beat the
goddamn Atlanta Falcons thirty was it thirty eight or thirty zero?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
They talk about the Falcons. I'm talking about their Dolphins.
I know.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know what yo, all your teams, the Bengals and
the Dolphins combined about.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I know you're not talking because we just talked about
your Ravens. Listen, the Bengals don't have we don't have
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Oh the Ravens got the quarterback. The Ravens got a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, let me. I mean your defense bad though you talk,
you're talking about the Bengals defense. Look at y'all defense.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What you mean, oh Joe? But see your thing was
the Dolphins was up seventeen to nothing. Oh look at
it now, now look at it?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Now, look at it.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Hey, we was up seventeen nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, yeah, and it will happen.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It seemed like Brece Young did it.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
We didn't needed to do.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
No, no, no, Look the Texans, the way the Texans played,
this is the way people expected CJ to play his
second year, right, the way he played today. This is
the best CJ. Stroud has looked since his rookie season.
They ran the ball thirty three times for one hundred
and sixty seven yards. Nick Chubb eleven for sixty one.
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I mean, look, Nick Chubb was really you know, only thing.
CJ had one had one run for thirty yards. He
looked pretty fast to me. I guess he found the
fountain of youth though over the last couple of days.
But anyway, they look they this was a total team
where they was a dominating They've dominated. Ain't no where
around it. They dominated the ball game. CJ was poised
in the pocket. He only missed two throws. And then
you get the ball, you run the ball for over
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one hundred and fifty yards and then you sacked the quarterback.
You only sacked the quarterback once. But I'm trying to
figure one hundred seventy nine plus forty four. They barely
had over to They barely had over two hundred yards
total offense.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
When you go on the road, you can go into
a team's.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Building and hold him that, you know, one hundred and
seventy nine yards passing, forty four yards rushing.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, you did something good.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Hey, what I told you before the season started, Before
the season started? What team did I have high praise for?
In the watch out for.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Carolina Bears?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Bingo, that was it?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, I told y'all, I told you, Like you said,
there's always a team that comes out of nowhere that
surprises us, right, told y'all, I told y'all, told you Abo,
I told you what Caroline were gonna do.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Now, now I know they beat my team, Yeah, they
did beat them, breaks off them.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Hold on, but we watch y'all seventeen.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Hey, listen, we're missing the key ingreident. We missing a
key component to offense, a game changer. We missed.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
He ain't coming back, So getting y'all they was getting
beat with him in the lineup.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Ain't that what you just told me? Hold on, okay?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
CJ was twenty three of twenty seven, two forty four
or four touchdowns, zero interceptions. Davis Mills comes in two
of four to twenty three yards. So as a team
that was twenty five or thirty one, two fifty four touchdowns.
Like I said, CJ looked very good today. He's very comfortable.
You can't if I mean, coach, he can't complain. He
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ain't got nothing to say say. Hey, guys, this is
the way I expect us to play. This is how
I expect us to look, regardless of who we play,
regardless of where we play. This is the level is
that we should This is the level we should hold
ourselves to.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
That's the first thing I'm gonna say regards to who
you play, because remember everybody's heard it for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
So looking like.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
You look today, looking like you look today, you're supposed
to when all the starters on out, when all the
elite players defensively are out against the team that's healthy.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Sometimes what do we see teams do play down to
the level of competition, competition, all them guys out. You
mentioned Lamar being out, You're missing mention those defensive guys
being out. Be hell out of them because see now
John Harbro can't go in there and lie to them. Guys,
we were close. All we need to do is stick together.
No hell, noah, I'm a beat you so bad. You're
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gonna start the splinter, You're gonna start to pour, You're
gonna start to look at each other. Man if he
get if he's if he studied like he's supposed to,
If man, I wonder if he give it an that's
the kind of doubt. That's what I try to sw
I'm not playing down to the competition. If your guys
are not in there, I'm trying to hang half one
hundred on you.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
And the funny thing about it is when you have
when you when you have injuries, right, the first thing
people do when you have injuries and things aren't going well,
the first thing they say, well, we need to change
a position coach, or we need a defensive coordinator, When
that's not the problem.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
That's never been the problem. I don't care who's calling
the plays.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It's up to those that are on the field to
execute whatever it's called.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Everybody has an assignment, everybody has the job to do.
When all eleven people are doing their job collectively the
right way, winning their individual battles every.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Down, down one, down two, down three, everything will work fine.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
But sometimes it takes having your starters in there to
do it the right way right when they're out. They
back up for a reason, they third stream for a reason.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Boy, we had a bond burnover a game tonight, the Jaguars.
The Jaguars. The Jags showed them merit that grit, being
down fourteen points, scored twenty one unanswered. The Chiefs come back,
tie it up, but guess what, and they take the
lead twenty eight to twenty four. But the Jags would
not be denied. They go down the field big time catchers,
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get a passing afference in the m zone, they score,
and they take a ball gain a close ball game,
a very entertaining, a very great ball game, thirty one
to twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Oh Joe, let's go with the Jags first.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Trevor Lawrence eighteen or twenty five two to twenty one
one touchdown.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
But it was its legs tonight. It seemed like to me.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Liam Cohen said, look, when they come with pressure, and
they will bring pressure a lot on third down, don't
even look, don't even worry about trying to pass down
the field, get up out of there.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And that's what he did tonight.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I thought they played well and when the defense needed
to make a play, they made a play.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Take off.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah, hey, the Jags look really good. Obviously, you know
Spags loves to bring pressure to cause confusion to get
the quarterback to Rush's process, obviously resulting in sacks. But listen,
Treyl Lawrence said, not that they not on my watch.
He killed them with it. He killed them with his legs.
Obviously known for his arm and his other intangibles, but
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tonight he used his legs to win. Travis Hunter, they
need to get him involved in the offense much more.
He saw make a huge play that changed the trajectory
that offensive series, which led to him scoring. Brian Tomajeria
played well, Travis atn I know what he did running
the ball, but picking up some of the blisses that
he did to be able to lie killing North to
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make some of the throws that he made. Hey plays
like that will keep a running back on the field
all three downs. He played from all the football as well. Defensively,
the Jag played well as well, So, I mean it
was a really good game. I thought the turnovers would
have hurt him because I tweeted it during the game.
Every time they turned the ball over. The goddamn Cheese
capitalize on it, especially on the gold line where Trevor
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Lawrence tried.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
To reach over and Nick Bolton pushed it out.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
He punts it out right away. Listen. Defensively, that god
damn interception. That ninety nine interceptions by Lloyd. That was nice.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, what you have to understand Ojo the court, he's
following Mahomes eyes.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Mahomes stared staring it down.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
You know, they tried to They tried to run the
arrow route push up, but it ran double arrow because
here comes Juju first and then I think Travis was
coming in behind him.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
So they tried to run double arrow.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
But the problem is is that when you look the
linebacker who's inside, he's going to naturally drift that weight
and because I mean, he hit him right in his
bread basket. He breaks a tackle, he side steps Mahomes
and now he's off to the races. The guy did
a great job of just getting enough for Thornton to
throw him off his rhythmic. Thornton was coming, but oh yeah,
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for sure he would have called him. But I think
you have to give the Jags a lot of credit
being down at home. Fourteen points to that team, and
they were playing extremely well, but when they needed to
make plays, they made plays. At the end, Trevor Lawrence
played well. You mentioned at in it was this Blitz
pick up. Yeah, he had twelve carries forty nine yards
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heath averaging what was that.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Basically four yards of carry.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But those boat when and some of those other guys
was coming on the Blitz Chanelle train quote, he stoned them.
I mean he stoned them. The offensive line did a
very good job of protecting. Look they had a half
a sack, Well they had what two sacks? Three sacks?
Look like you got sacked three times? He got three sacks,
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got sacked three times. But I thought they did a
great job considering the amount of pressure that Spags likes
to bring, and you know, when he feels threatened he's
gonna bring pressure. They knew that too, But you look
at those throws at the end. Man, he dropped that
one in the bucket to Brian Thomas Jr. Right on
the sideline, and then he found the uh he found uh.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
What's his name, oh, Joe Uh with it? Washington? Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, I think it was Washington that ended up catching
the two catching the outball. But Trevor Lawrence played as well.
This is the Trevor Lawrence that they said, okay when
you took him number one. Overall, this is what they
expect him to look like. And he has moments like this,
but then he'll come back and he'll stink up the
joint you like. But bro, I've seen what you can do.
I know what you can do because I've seen it
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first hand.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah, the problem is what we saw the knife from
Trevor Lawrence, where we saw the Knight. Collectively for the Jaguars,
this is not the Jaguars of old. This is a
new team. What we saw the Knight is a different
type of Jaguars offense. I don't think they've beating the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
It's been a very very long time since nine. You know,
so normally a team like this, the old Jaguar team,
they would have folded, they would have folded like lawn chair.
But they continued to fight despite being down, and they
fought their way back. I really impressed, really impressed. If
we can get this type of quarterback play from Trelor
Lawrence consistently, consistently, not just one night, consistently, but they're
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gonna be fine. They're gonna be in the hunt. They're
gonna be in contention every single year if he can
continue to play like this but minimize the goddamn Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Two to to night and they and they, you know,
and they were able to survive them. I mean right
there at the gold line. He fumbled bad way and
he threw a pick when they had they had a lead.
So he has to he has to be very very
careful that the Jags pass board games have been decided
by total of eighteen points. They're three and one of
those games, winning three straight. The Jags are now four
and one with two home games coming up, the Seahawks
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and the Rams.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Uh. Both of those both.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Of those teams have quarterbacks that can throw the football.
Both of those teams have receivers that can go get
the ball. You look at the Rams, you talk about
pooping the cool, you talk about thee Adams. They can
go get it. We know Seattle, you see Sam Donald
with JSN. Yes, man, they got guys that can go
get the football. So would I be surprised if we
see another couple both of those games end up something
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like this, O Hoe, No, No, I would not, No,
I absolutely would not. But the Jags were very, very
impressive tonight and do dueball. Y'all should stand up because
y'all got to make it of a very good team.
Lim Cohen has done an unbelievable job of gutty Trevor Lawrence.
Trevor Lawrence has always had the ability from the moment
he stepped foot on the field at Clemson, they say,
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this guy in three years from that point, when he
comes out, he's gonna be the number one pick in
the draft. He led Clemson to a national championship as
a true freshman. Not very many true freshmen can do that.
I think the last time it happened probably with Jamail Holloway,
and you had to go way back, way back Oklahoma
back eighty five probably, so for him to do that,
and then who do they beat? They beat Alabama, and
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we know what Alabama represented, and for him to do that,
he would been he was very, very impressive. But for
whatever the reason, the last couple of years, I don't
know if it was injury. Now, I think the first
the first year, you know, Urban Myer was his coach,
and I don't think that was the best situation. He
wasn't set up for success in that situation. But now
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Lim Coley and we saw what Coin has done with
Baker two years, I mean two years with Baker, and
you see what Baker has become. Now Baker is still
on that, he's still rising even though Lim left, But
we saw that what he become under Lim Cohen. So
this offense is very quarterback friendly. The guy receiver. They
got guys that can go get the ball. I agree
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with you right now, until Travis refined and skilled. Look,
oh yea, they don't run it really on nothing but spots.
They're running more spots. Shellacrossey five yards, turn a roud,
we throw you the ball, make a got mistake off
running the shallowcross. And when they throw the ball down
the field, they're allowing him to use his athletic ability.
Remember to play what was it last week a couple
of weeks ago against San Francisco, they threw the dagger,
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he elevates, catches it.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
We saw him tonight in between two. That's what.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
So until he refines his route running ability, this is
what you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Try to find ways to create get him in space
and let.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Him use his athleticism until he understands how to consistently
run the raw tree.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Because these guys that play dB, they're really good.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
They're very good, very good. But I think Travis Hunt
is one of those. He has such raw talent. He's
so good, especially with his ball skills, whether it's on
the defensive side of the ball or whether it's on
the offense side of the ball. If you can just
get the ball in the vicinity, if you can just
get in the area so he can make a play
on it. He coming down with that ball nine times
out of ten.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
And on the Chiefs, I thought Patrick Mahomes, look, he
played well tonight twenty nine to forty one, three to
eighteen one touchdown, the very costantly interception that led to
a nined. The one thing that you don't want to
have happen. You don't want to give up points on
your possession. So in other words, you don't want to
have a scooping scorer. You don't want to have a
pick six because now you know what I'm saying, that's
not what you're built to do. Your defense is not
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on the field. We understand defensively, they're gonna score. Look,
these teams are really good, so for you to shut
a team out, it's probably not gonna happen. But the
last thing we want to do is give up points
while our offense is on the field. Because because our
defense didn't get a chance, didn't get a chance to
stop him. Patrick Mahoonmes led up with rushing. He was
six or sixty. Kareem Hunt had seven for forty nine
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IP check o. He had seven for thirty six twenty
two for one point fifty eight, three touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And you see the way they came out. They threw
to set up the run.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
If you look at the first the first series, the
first couple of series, what they're doing getting the ball
out of his hands.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Quick. Guys were making.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Plays, quick, quick, quick game.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
But remember I said this, Yeah, when you don't have
a rapport with your quarterback. If Hollywood Brown had a
report with his quarterback, they win this game. Patrick mahons,
Patrick Mahomes get him on the shoulder with the ball.
He still don't know what that is. The safety is
flat footed. He catched this ball. On Joe, he's coming
at the backside. Talking about at the end of the game.
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Oh yeah, but you see that. There are some guys
you were imagine if you had up like damn, ain't
nobody here.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Let me look for this ball he is.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
He's running the route that they called oblivious.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, right to the situation. You gotta understand the situation.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Travis Kelce. You remember Travis Kelsey against Buffalo. He got wide,
goat you go home. Put the ball only they got
in field goal rangee Hollywood, all you gotta do? You
see everybody's off. Oh Joe, the backside safety is flat footed.
He catched this ball. That's Hollywood Brown. He's coming out
the backside. That's a touchdown coming out.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, he could go. Now, let's go. He can go
if anything, because the entire defense was back, he can
come out the backside. If he doesn't even make it
out the backside, you're still in field goal range, you
get down, call the time out if.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
You if you go back, look at this, if you
tell me you don't think Hollywood Brown is oh cho
because the safety, the backside safety, he's flat footed. That
means Hollywood Brown is gonna catch this ball where they
running start, Yeah, he call ain't no ain't no way,
no safety that's flat footed. It's gonna turn and beat
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Hollywood Brown to a point. But we talked about this
the other remember that, I think it was the first
game he tried to do that with a receiver. But
he doesn't have the report. Now that's Tyreek Hill, Oh Joe.
We having a whole different conversation because they have a report.
They have an understanding with each other, that's what. But
the mahomes is gonna have to get with his guys
and say, look, guys, I understand what's called. But if
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that guy's off, you look for the ball.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
And obviously it's all situations. Yes, you understand. Obviously whatever
route is called normally if we're if we're in a
regular game, then yes, the route is called you run,
you run to your death. But it's it's it's just
understanding its situation. If they're backed up, turn your head
round right away. Get what you can with the ball,
get what you can understanding there's only a little bit
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of time on the clock. You don't even have time
to get into your food.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
No, don't, don't.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I don't know. Like, See, the thing is is that
I'm not so sure. I don't even call a fair
catch on that oyo on the kickoff because guess what happened.
You're not going to run it back and there's a
greater chance of you getting a holding call or a
block in the back call that you're running it back.
So now instead of starting at the twenty five, guess
where you're gonna start at inside your twenty right, and
guess what's Guess what else you did? You ran time
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off the clock. See the ball, don't start the clock,
don't start until you touch the ball. Now you run,
you take six seconds off the clock. Now, well six
seven seconds off the clock. Now you get a block
in the back. You took eight seconds off the clock,
and you're ten fifteen yards back further than what you
would have been. But those are things that you learn. See,
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those are things that we talk. I don't look, I
can't speak to everybody else, but this is what we
talked about in situations like this. Look, if the balls
kicked in the M zone, leave it in the M zone.
We don't run and running in time punt return, fair catch,
We don't want any time to run off the clock.
We don't want to get an illegal block. Look we
got they had three time outs, O joe, three timeouts
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in thirty seconds. That's an eternity. Because the entire field
is in play. I can throw them all over the middle.
It's in play. Call a time out now. I just
took seven seconds off the clock. I got twenty three.
Guess what middle field is still in play. I take
another second, seven seconds off the clock. Guess what, I
still gotta time out. The feel the entirety of the
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field is still in play. Yeah, that's things that you
got to talk about. And you've got to do a
better job special teams. Coach, you've got to do a
better job of helping guys understand, Remind them, remind them, hey, fair.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Catch this, X, Y and Z. Hey let's go ahead.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yeah, it's all about It's all about the coaches letting
them play no certain situations defensively, offensively, special teams. If
these certain situations come up, even if they might not
come up, just so they're aware. And obviously coaches have
to know in game what's possible. There's a chance that
this might happen. There's a chance that this might happen,
So be aware and understanding this is what you want
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to do in this situation. Same with Holly Bell Brown
on that play towards the end of the game, understanding, hell,
they damned it, win it. Preinden, get your head around fast.
If you can go out the back door, go out
the back door. If you can't get as much as
you can get down, call time out real fast. So
we have our opportunity in a chance to run something else.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
But you got to give the Jacks credit. They didn't
hang their heads. They fell behind fourteen nothing, they get
a touchdown late, and they get a touchdown late in
the second in the second quarter, make it a fourteen
to seven ball game, and then they score fourteen more points.
So they scored twenty one out of as points. And
then we saw what happened at the end of the game.
But give those guys credit because I thought Jacksonville played
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really well.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
They showed me something. They showed me something.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Getting down to this team with this defense and that
guy playing quarterback. They showed me something. I thought the
receivers played well today. Thornton stepped up. Thornton's been playing
extremely well.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Xavier work again again, Thornton again with another big play.
I wish, I wish he could have kept his balance
too on that deep ball and scored and scored that.
But yeah, they played really well both.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
This is I don't know who the hell skeedule these
goddamn games, but every time we got a Sunday night
or Monday night or a Thursday night game, they had
been phenomenal, phenomenal game. If you blink, you might miss something.
That's how good the games have been so far through week.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
But the thing I don't understand is next week we
got a doubleheader. We don't need two games on Monday night, right,
I mean, how much money do y'all want?
Speaker 1 (51:49):
But they're on the same network.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yeah, hold on, hold on?
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Who we got? Who we got?
Speaker 2 (51:55):
We got the Bear than the Commanders and Buffalo playing
somebody the Falcons.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Oh, Joe, we don't need two games on a Monday.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
Now, And I can tell you what game everybody's gonna
be tuned into unless you're a Buffalo fan, unless you're
a Falcons fan, everybody gonna be watching the Bears. Of course,
everybody canna be watching the Bears of COT. So I'm
not sure why the NFL is doing that. Obviously, you
understand what the bottom line is that at the end
of the day on why there's a double header on
a Monday. But listen, they're trying to double this. They're
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trying to double dip. If you understand the business, They're
just trying to double this.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
That'd be like bringing putting friends and everybody love Raymond
on the same.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Networks. Why the hell you do that?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Come on, bro, come on the NFL. It's unnecessary. I
get Sunday, I get Sunday, all these games, but on
a on a single on a single night, Oh your
one game?
Speaker 1 (52:46):
We need what?
Speaker 2 (52:46):
But you guess what. Pretty soon they're gonna have two
games on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Watch yeah, watch yeah. Because you have to understand too.
You got to look at it from a business a
business standpoint. You gotta look at from their their stand point.
You know what their bottom line is. We're trying to
maximize as much as you can in this seventeen game
season plus the playoffs plus theot BAWL. So how can
we double the profit by having two games?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
What they're gonna do is they're gonna add another playoff
game in the next three to five years that have
another playoff game, So instead of seven, they'll be eight
and you know that eighteenth game coming. And what they're
trying to do also is trying to have everybody play
one game overseas. Now, good luck getting the Cowboys to
give up a home game. Now everybody else is gonna
be more than willing to give up a home game.
Convince Jarry to give up one of his home games.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
It ain't happen. It ain't happening because if you give
up a home game, that's taking away the money.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
I mean, I get I get Jacksonville, I get Cleveland,
I get some of these teams. But right.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Let everybody, let everybody you know, we trying to we
try to grow. I don't know if football, American football,
will ever be what soccer is, or ever be what
basketball is, because nobody grows up wanting to be like
Randy Moss or wanting to be like Jared Rice or
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
If you and if you in Europe.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
But listen, I understand what you're saying. Even we will
never I don't think any sport will ever touch that
of soccer, that of the beautiful. Obviously, basketball is another
sport that many of them choose to play or to
be like certain individuals. But the game of the game
of football, as great as it is, continue to grow
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globally on the other side of the world is a
good thing for all. It's a good thing over because obviously,
not only do we get to to expand from an
economic standpoint, it's good for for other players, their brand
and being able to do things not just here in
the States, but being able to do things outside of
the States as well. So in a sense long term,
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it's a great thing. It's a great thing. But we
would they will never ever be able to be what
be what soccer is.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
That's because European they play it. They can play soccer.
I give you, humpro, what's the likely Africa and the
continent of Africa. You have Nigeria, you have teams they
can play of football.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
How many guys from Europe go like you know what, yeah,
that football thing. I want to be back at my home.
That will be Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Hey, it would be very difficult. You have to understand too,
everybody in Europe, everybody plays soccer. The chances of you
playing at the highest level the EPL, CITI I, La Liga,
I mean frenchly that only so many. It's only so
many spots, and everybody does it. So like, just think
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about this. I know you don't watch soccer much, but
you hear the conversations of the comparison between Christiano and Messi.
I don't think people understand how brilliant and how good
these dudes are because everybody played this sport, and the
comparison of who the best is of a certain error
or a certain generation, that's the creep of the crop.
And then there's ever.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Were gonna be the place you come to for the
World Cup?
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Oh yeah, but you think about in soccer, Uh, Messi
left home? Uh you think about Ronaldo left home, Hobbling
probably left home. Lewan Dawaski probably left home.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, so it's a difference. But man, this game tonight,
this game tonight, We've we've been getting some very very
good games thus far. Ear I know it's earlier, o yo,
it's like week eight week nine, they be like, damn, y'all,
couldn't y'all couldn't flex up out of this one. I
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don't think they can flex. I think they can only
I think Sunday Night is the game. But I think
they start, they're starting to allow them to flex out earlier,
because you know.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Ain't nobody trying.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I understand that they might be this or might be that,
but ain't nobody trying in week ten trying to see
a two team, a two win team on those Sunday
night or no Monday night or no Thursday, Well, Thursday,
you stuck? He stuck because every everybody has to everybody
has to.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Play, you know, at least one Thursday night game, right right?
Speaker 4 (57:13):
Huh damn man.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Out of Monday night Sunday night. Okay, yeah, oh they playing?
Oh yeah, And that's the thing. It was like, hey,
Fox and CBS be like, man, we gotta well we
got a barn Burner And he said, now let me
get that one.
Speaker 4 (57:29):
Hey are you speaking of speaking of bar Bros? The
ash ash Who is the London game this Sunday? The
Broncos who they playing?
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Right, yeah, I be I be at that game. I
be at the game. Matter of fact, what I'm gonna
do is I'm gonna go down on the field.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
Ain't gonna nothing gonna change.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
Can I tell you who gonna win, Bronco the Jets.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
You hoping
The Patriots, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Very very very interesting game, very good game, man bad.
That was a barn burner. The Patriots go to Buffalo
and they win. Drake May twenty two or thirty two,
seventy three. He didn't have a touchdown, he didn't have
it interception, a clean game. He was snacked four times.
But man Stefan Diggs gets his revenge. He played out
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of his mind. Team ketches for a buck forty six.
Josh Allen twenty two thirty one, two fifty three, two touchdowns,
won an exception. Dalton kin kd led them with six
ketches for a buco eight. But I thought the Patriots
played unbelievable and they won, and they deserve to win
this game. There are no more unbeatens. This was the
last of the unbeaten and the thanks to the New
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England Patriots. They go into Buffalo and come away with
a hard fought road division win.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We'll see how this thing shapes up as we move
forward down the line, but a New England has to
be proud of what they were able to do on
the road.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
What did you like about what you saw from the Patriots?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
What I like from the Patriots with drink maybe everything?
Can you hear me on? You got to you got hey,
you gotta charge some things up. Baby, let me know
where you can hear me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Here we go? Hello, Yeah, I can hear you not?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Heard nothing?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We got time?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Chat?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Chat? Long as me?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
If I'm going to dream chack? Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
You good?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Okay, then you're good. You're good. You're good, You're good.
Let me know you're ready.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm good, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
So what I like from the Patriots was a quarterback play. Yep,
quarterback play because if you if you look around the league, right,
I'm gonna get get back to the page. If you
look around the league, all the teams that have a
chance in winning have a quarterback. They have consistent play
at the position. There's a reason if you watch the game,
all the games today, including the Knight's game, to have
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a chance to win and compete, you need a quarterback.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Drake may phenomenal game.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It seemed like the offense basically was was filtered in
this game through Stefan Diggs showing that he's still capable
of playing. He's still capable of making plays, and he
showed out the night. Drake May had a clean had
a very clean game. Buffalo obviously some unfortunate turnovers. The
Patriots had turnovers as well, but what's what's uh Stevens'
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first name?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Remind Drake?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had some, but it didn't affect
him when it comes didn't affect them when it comes to,
you know, winning the game.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It could have been costly.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Outside of that, the Pages played a really really good game,
especially on defense as well.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
They did a great job of containing Josh and containing
those receivers wherever they got, wherever they caught the ball
at they made sure they didn't do a great get
run after the catch. I think Secura got away with
like one time. But you're right, oh, Joe, when you
have a quarterback, when you have a calming, I mean
you look at the way Drake May played a hostile
environment against the division rival. He was twenty two or
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thirty two, seventy three. Although he didn't throw a touchdown,
he didn't turn the ball over, he didn't put the
ball in harm's way. The last thing that you can
do is turn the ball over. Now, it negated I
mean you mentioned Romandre Stevenson. He turned the ball over.
But when you get three, turner was when you forced three.
Now you greatly increase your chances of winning because you offset.
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You not your plus two. It could have been plus three,
but your plus two in the turnover battle Buffalo did not.
You know, I wasn't surprised that James Cook couldn't get
going because the Patriots are really good against the run.
Defensive minded head coach. He was a great he was
a look. I played against Brabil yeah, and he was solid.
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Oh Joe, if he's supposed to be in the flat,
he had his ass in the flat. If he was
supposed to be in the hook, he was gonna be
in the hook. If this job was to set the edge,
you weren't go hooking. So and he coaches. He asked
his players to be smart, He asked his players to
be disciplined, and you can see it coming through. They
played really well. The Patriots gonna be looked. I thought
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the Patriots would be good if they got to hurt
a head coach. Yes, because that quarterback has he has it,
but brave but brable man. And they got a guy
a number one receiver in Stefan Diggs that made every
play that needed to be made tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
They had him for a sack.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He was just trying to throw the ball away and
somehow he gets it to Digs and he picks up
fourteen yards. If that was the start. Sometimes, don't you
in a situation too many drill like that? Yes, that's
the start you need, You need that one positive plate
to start to drive, to kick it off.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You know what, and it we're gonna win this game. Man.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That ain't suppoled to happen like that, not at all.
They and they got it going from there. But you
have to be impressed with what you saw from the Patriots. Now, hell,
I'm thinking about how the Hed y'all lose two games
when y'all played like this?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And the funny thing about it is, I like the
jump the jump that Drake may is made from year
one to year two, and having games like this is
only going to continue to build his confidence. And when
you have games like this, you have an officer of
coordinator like Josh Daniels and you're able to make some
of the throws you made the night. To have a
clean game like this, he can add more to your plate.
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He can add more to your plate, and you can
do more offensively. So the Patriots going to be hell
to deal with for the foresee of your future, as
long as Drake may continue to stay upright and stay healthy,
and you have players as.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Long as long as they don't turn the ball over.
All right, at the end of the day, it's still
about turnovers.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yes, most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We're just leaving through the computer. You need to purchase
some new ones. I don't know what's going on with those.
O Joe, you got me, Yeah, I got your baby.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
My air pods, my AirPods shot. So I'm coming through
the computer right now.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Good, I'm coming through the computer too.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You good.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Now you look Buffalo, I don't look. Yeah, you turned
the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Over and hey, Josh, they had three right three.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Josh fumble, he threw a pick. Jones made the great
jump on the ball. But when you bro when you
and what Josh had done, say the last fifteen sixteen games, Yeah,
done a great job of taking care of football.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You've been clean.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And that's the way because these teams it's hard for
you to turn the ball over and win in today's game. Yes,
because for the most part you're going up against the
team that got a quarterback that I'm not saying Drake Mays. Obviously,
Drake May is not on the level of Josh Allen,
but he can play well enough. If you give them
let them be plus two. Now, you can't put him
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in harm's way. You're gonna catch Hill beating them.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know what the good thing is when you have
a quarterback like Josh Allen, He's one of the few
quarterbacks that can have a three turnover game and still.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Overcome overcome it.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yes, you can still overcome it because of how well
that team is running.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Some of the plays that he can make not only
with his arm, but hell, you can make it with
his legs too.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yes, they did a great job of neutralizing his legs tonight.
Oh Joe, he did have a long of nineteen, but
nine for fifty three.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It really didn't hurt him. They did a great job
of containing him.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
He didn't beat them, They didn't give up the big
the big chunk he runs to James Cook. But I
thought the Patriots they deserved to win this game. They
did a great job getting the ball for forcing Buffalo
to settle for the field goal and not getting in
the end zone and needing a touchdown in order to
win the ball game. So give their defense credit because
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when they needed to bote it back and they did
to held them to what made them kick what three
two field goals? Yeah, two field goals that could have
easily you know, turning the touchdown, because that's what the
Bills normally do when they get down there, because Josh
is so dynamic with his legs and his arm, they
put you, they put you under the gun. But the
Patriots today was able to neutralize that. It's like, nah,
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bro Na, We're not going for that.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Today.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
The Buffalo Bills get a very tough victory on the
road against a division opponent by the score of twenty
twenty three twenty. They basically walk it off. He was
ten seconds left and so unless something unforeseen were to happen,
they weren't going to win this game. So, you know,
the Patriots, congratulations, they got people's attention.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Oh Joe, Yeah, absolutely. And you know what else I
like about Drake may two. What's the thing the one
thing a defense tried to do to rattle a young quarterback,
especially only in his second year. You bring pressure, you
bring pressure, and every time they bought pressure, he found
a way to beat it. Every time, even though he
was getting flushed out the pocket because there was always
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a man, there was always a man that was free,
that was coming, he still found a way to make
up play. And if there wasn't anything there, he didn't
put the balls in arms away.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh yeah, they.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But Buffalo goes to five, four and one, Your Patriots
move up to three and two. See how this thing
shapes out. I still believe Buffalo is the class of
that division. Of course, it probably is not going to
be as easily as we previously thought. No, God, Boys
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go to the metal Yeah, I don't know if they
call it the Metal Lands anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Met Life Stadium, that's what they call it. And they win.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
They molly walked the Jets thirty seven twenty two the
two two and one not Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Jets are zero and five.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Dak Prescott was sensational eighteen of twenty nine two thirty seven,
four touchdowns, no interceptions, Javonte Williams sixteen carries of buck
thirty five.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Uh. He was running the football.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
The Cowboys were missing four starters on the offensive line
and By the time the first half ended, the Cowboys
had one hundred yard Russia and Javonte Williams and a
one hundred yard receiver in Ryan Floordinoid and Dak Prescott
had two touchdown passes to his tight end Jake Fergus
Justin Fields was thirty two and forty six two eighty three,
two touchdowns. His offensive line is are very good. Their
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defenses are very good. I thought their defense would be better,
yeah than what is shown thus far.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And Bran Breeches Hall had fourteen carries for Buck thirteen
oh chuck for one hundred and forty four yards.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
He was to and they got blown out.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, but but listen that God damn Javonte Williams, Johanna
Williams like that.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It opens up everything else for that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
He looks like the Carolina Javonte Williams. You remember when
he came out on Yo, how he ran the football.
He was coming back off of knee surgery, so it
needed he needed to get one year removed after that
knee surgery. Now he looks like the guy.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Hey he was toting that thing.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And listen, you.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Come up there, you come up there to the party.
He gonna dish it, he gonna dish it. Oh yeah, Hey,
that goddamn Dak looked good boy.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Oh he athority that he was dealing.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And that god damn Dak looked good pickings out, Yo,
Ferguson out there getting jiggy.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I like I like Ferguson. I've always liked fergus he
mes a rookie. Oh yoe.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You know what annoys me with DB's what when you
get up there and press coverage and you open the door.
Oh yeah, yeah, if you gonna get him press coverage,
put your hands on the guy.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
If you not back your ass off.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Wait was it bail technique?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It was sauce.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, it wasn't bail, No he was he was just
just open the door and pick red right by.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Uh he thought you thought you thought people gonna rush.
So I'm sure, and I bet.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
If you open the door, my granty used to say
all the time, boy, open the door, flies come in
the house.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Kay, you opened you up in press coverage.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I want you gotta realize, if you open the gate,
the guy gotta run and start. Now you have to
turn and run. You're not catching up with these top
flight receivers. Look, I don't like to be the bar
of bad news. The saut Garden that hadn't been the
same since his rookie year. If we being all the
way honest, if we be, if we being one thousand
percent honest, you've been the same since they started calling
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all that clutching and holding, and they let him get
away with his rookie season. Chat y'all know it, washing
Tate watching. He ain't the same. He the highest paid. Congratulations,
But ain't no way I'm putting him up there with Stingley.
I'm putting him up there with certain No.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I mean, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, listen, listen. Now, I understand he might get that,
he might get the call, he might get the holding calls.
He he might you know, get beat some time. But
young Bull is paid significantly because he showed on film
he's worth with his.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Been the same since the rookie year.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Okay, okay, watch him, watch the tape.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Look at him. He ain't been the same. He's not
not here and he ain't even close. He ain't even
close to certain. We need to stop that discussion.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
That's that's two totally different bodies.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Of working certain.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
They by himself many by himself. Joy, I'll just be
all the way one thousand with Joe Joe and and
chat Jets fans. If you being honest, y'all watched him
over the last three four years, he ain't been in
the same sense of rookie year because they call all
that clutching and holding that he don't really get that
he was getting away with they calling it now.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Not damn.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You do understand, defensive back is the hardest position to
play on the field.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yes, I do, Yes, yes, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh Joe he makes thirty million dollars a year. Yeah, yeah,
I guess what it was hard when he was a rookie.
He was defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, we don't. We don't do that.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Hey, as you as you make, as you make more
more as expected, don't y'all, you don't get to still.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Look, you don't get to stay the same.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You're like, well, you know, hey, no, you're you're supposed
to try to elevate. I'm gonna show everybody why they
gave me this money. Yes, they paid you for that
Defensive Player of the Year. I mean defensive Rookie of
the Year. They paid you for that All Pro. They're
paying you now because they said, we believe moving forward,
he gonna be better than what he was to make
us give him this money. So we're gonna be getting
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them out of bargain. He's not playing well, and it's
okay to say that. For somehow we've gotten away from
Like if a guy's not playing well and he's a
good player, it's okay to say he's not playing well,
Chad Chat he's not.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He's not. And it could be a receiver, it could
be a running back, it could be a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I'm not taking because somebody's not playing away currency.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
The thing is ojoe.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
A lot of times when you say a player isn't
playing well, their fan base or family members or even
them think you're trying to discredit what they've already done.
I cannot take away the All Pro, nor would I
attempt to. I can't take away that Pro Bowl, that
Defensive Rookie of the Year. You've got that, But what
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that got to do with how you playing right now?
That's still on your resume.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You know what I would love I wish I wish
I had in front of me.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
See, I'm on the road, so I don't have my
other computer in front of me and look at some
of the numbers on how he's played this year. So
I would have to do my homework first, because I
don't watch the Jets significantly. I watch all the games
as a whole. You know, watching the TV copy it
doesn't give you a fair a fair way to judge
or assess how an individual players plan until you get
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to see the numbers. So I mean you would know
better than me because I haven't been able to watch
the Jets outside of Justin Fields and what Justin Fields
and Garrett Wilson are doing. So I gotta check that out.
I gotta check that out. But I know one thing.
If you you don't pay a player thirty million dollars.
I'm just saying, you don't pay a player thirty million
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dollars if he's regressing from his rookie year. So that
that's why it's hard.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
He does not look the same, and I don't think
I don't I don't think anybody that watch, if they're
being honest, can look at and say, you know what, yeah,
Sauts is the same guy we saw as a rookie
he's not.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
He is not.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Jets employed nineteen full time coaches over six decades. Today,
Aaron Glenn became the first to start his tenure with
five straight losses. Coach that is known for his defense,
the Jets are paced to allow the most points in
franchise history. Glenn states that he has no plans for
taking over play. Call him from DC. Steve Wilks, O, Joe,
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We've seen very few black coaches get tied to figure
things out.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Do you believe because.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
We saw Steve Wilkes in Arizona, we saw a last
year coaching.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
In New England.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Do you believe that he's going to get an opportunity
to figure this thing out?
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Absolutely absolutely. It's his first year. And obviously it was
Steve Wilkes first year. It was the what was the
coach in New England last Yearrod Mao?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
It was his first year. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
But obviously you know they want they want, they wanted.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Okay, So what if what so? What if what if
another coach is out there? You say they want it? Okay?
What if they want somebody else and he's available.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't know, I don't know, you know, if any
if anything, you would think the Jets would have a
head start and have success on the defensive side of
the ball, because that's what that's that's what that was
their identity, that's always been their identity.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
The defense was really good. The defense really good.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I'm not sure what's going on now, but if there's
one thing you you probably thought you wouldn't have to
worry about when it came to the football season or
this season is starting, is the just defense. Just focus
on offense and hoping justin field, justin fields? Is your
answer for the for seer of the future.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, the Jets had us fool of ojo because we
looked at men when they had Zach Wilson and they said,
oh if they and I'm saying, that's a here and
what that's what that's what made him go out and
get Aaron Rodgers. I say, now, but you say, you're
under the premise that the defense is going to be
just as good, if not better, because if they have
any slippage, that the quarterback is not gonna be able
to overcome that that defense hadn't been the same. Since
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you got to go back Zach Wilson, you got to
go way way back to talk about that defense. Don't
nobody fear that defense? Now, No they don't. Justin Field's
constantly running for his life. Sack five times for forty
nine yards.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's their mess. Yeah, there are.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Hey, you know another thing too. I'm not officer coordinator
on but most of the time you have officer lines.
I think about I think about the Bengals, I think
about the Jets. I think about other quarterbacks that are
in situations where the officer lines aren't that good. I
don't understand, for the life of me, if you know,
if you know the officer in life not good, put
your quarterback under set them and just run quick game.
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Just run quick game.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I don't understand whether what happened though. They fell behind
so quick they couldn't think about it. Brets Hall had
fourteen cares for a buck thir team. But you behind,
I mean that was behind. I mean Dallas. This car
was twenty three to The score was twenty three three
at the half. The care was thirty to six at
the end of the fourth. At the end of the
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third quarter, how the hell we gonna run the ball?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
We down twenty three three at a half, we down thirty.
We found thirty to six in the third quarter. Ain't
no more running.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
You ain't got no choice.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Receivers, run your ass and get open. That's what the
running you do it the running backs, I'm sorry you
blocking or you're chipping your way out that it is
what it is.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, and you know it's funny. But see, maybe the
Bills are built a little different. A high percentage of
the time, anytime Josh Allon is in shotgunn it's a pass. Yes,
A high percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Anytime is out the center, it's a run.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Every so often he'll be shot.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You're trying to throw you off, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And they're definitely tell to you.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
It's still very early in the season. But now that
we're in week five, everybody should everything should be churning.
Offenses should be churning. You should be hitting your stride,
you should be hitting your rhythm. At this point, Defenses
should be ahead of the eight ball because all you
got to do is read and react.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And sometimes, O Joe, you know you have these expectations
of defense, but you don't really know.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
You hope you think that teams.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Because every year we have a team that comes up,
our springs up out of nowhere, makes the playoffs. We
have an offense that like, damn, I didn't know they
had this in them. Or we have a defense, and
then we have teams that we expect take a step back,
be an offensively defense or to team. In totality, I
thought the Jets would be better. They got to do
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better than this.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Son, were you zero to five? You know how difficult
it is to climb out of a hole.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh Joe, you do realize in order to be five hundred,
you'd have to win five straight, five straight? What's the lifelihood? Hell,
they can't win one of the row? How the hell
they gonna win five of the row? And it doesn't
get any easier? And what's the schedule? Is to just
next five games?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
They are? They got so guess what? They go to
Denver at Broncos.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
You know what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
They got Okay, they home to the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
They're gonna beat y'all. They gonna beat y'all.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh, they got y'all on you on the schedule. Who Jets?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
They plan they playing in Cincinnati? They planning uh in Cincinnati?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, they got Broncos, Panthers, Brink, Bengals Browns.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Oh, that's tough, that's tough. They might be Oh, they
might be.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Sho. We know one thing the Broncos can get after
your damn quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Absolutely and James Hurts mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Well and listen, you you got you get.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
The one thing you do have for Jayleen hurt for
about Jayen Hurts for Justin Fields is he can run,
he can move.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, they don't give him a chance to move because
by the time you get to snap somebody, if it's
somebody on.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It in his face.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, yep, damn well you you you want to do
everything you can to start fast, but a whole Oh.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Listen over and five in New York. Yep, man, please.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The Texans dismantled, beat up Ravens teams forty forty ten.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Don't do that, Shockey.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Don't do that. Don't do don't do that. Don't do that,
because when you talked about the Bengals, you didn't say
beat up.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
You just said lost to the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Just say that, Houston, Texans dismantled the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Don't you're gonna let me. You're gonna let me finish
the readA.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Though, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, finish finishes.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Soaltimore now to a shockgate what and four record. The
Texas scored six touchdowns in four games it scored five today.
The forty four points is the most by team in
a home game in the John Harbor.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Eighteen season era.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The Ravens are on pace thirty five point four points
per game to shatter the Panthers twenty twenty four NFL
record most points allowed five hundred and thirty four, John
Harbor said. John Harbaugh said after the thirty four point
loss that Zach Orr will remain the defensive coordinator. I
don't think that's the answer. We have to go to
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work is what we need to do. We need to
stick together is what we need to do. We need
to find find ourselves and that has to do with
coaches players working together.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Absolutely well.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Listen, I don't want you to say foot or with
that ravens Hellet go get that ravens helmet for me.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Get this is in the closet. Is in the closet.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Wait, that's exactly where it belonged, trapped in the closet.
Y'all was a busital today. Y'all were horrible today. Y'all
were horrible. Offensively, y'all were horrible day, horrible.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
All sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
C J.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Stroud This was the best CJ. Strouds looks his rookie year,
rookie year.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I was just gonna say that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Twenty three or twenty seven, two hundred and forty four yards,
four touchdowns, no interception, He was sacked twice. He was
had a ninety nine point nine QBR. They ran the
ball thirty three times for a buck sixty seven.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
NICOA.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Collins had a touchdown. Hutchinson had two touchdowns. Noel had
a touchdown. Cooper Rush. I don't know who. Look, we
don't need to talk about this, but we know Cooper
Rush is not the answer. If Cooper Rush is the answer,
I need to know the question that you're asking. Oh anyway,
he was four team of twenty one, seventy nine, three interceptions,
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sacked once. Deack Henry had fifteen rushes thirty three yards
and a touchdown. Key On Mitchell had three for eight yards.
Justice Hill had one for three yards. Zay Flowers had
five catchers for seventy two yards. D howk two for
forty six?
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Wait a minute, how many interceptions did Cooper Rush have three?
How many interceptions did Jake Browning have three? Okay, so
that means that means they scored forty four yard ain't
scored forty four on us.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
It took me on the ten yard line? What Jay
took me on a ten yard line? Y'all said, No, y'all, coach,
you didn't know. You couldn't put the ball. Y'all putted
the ball and we didn't land in the landing area,
and so they got the ball down to the ten
yard line. It could have scored again on you.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
He scored forty four on your team. Forty four.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
That's not your team. That's not your team.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
They scored forty four on your team.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh okay, I thought you said that was your team.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Listen, you talking would a little too much volume and
basic forty fourteen. That just lost forty four to ten.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, bet look.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, oh Joe, you already down Vanoy Madabek humph and
you're safe to Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, so you're down four
starters there, and you're down Lamar Jackson and your defense
was already struggling. So you down four started on the
defensive side of a defense that's already struggling.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, wait a minute, it ain't gonna get no better.
It wasn't gonna get no better even if they was healthy,
because when everybody was healthy, they still wasn't doing nothing.
They still wasn't about nothing. Now the only chance you do.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I'm glad you said that because they remind you of
the Bengals, right, because when Joe Burrow was healthy there
last year, they were giving them thirty a game.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Let me finish, Let me finish any chance y'all do
have the only promising hope for Ravens fans, for that
organization even compete, Well, you need eight what you.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Got to have pomp of those finers out there in
order to compete. Well, it doesn't look like he brought
Probably be back.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
How long are you gonna be out?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I know they say one of two weeks, one of
three weeks. It all depends on how how hold on.
Oh Kyle Benoy played it that he got a sign.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Oh oh oh.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
You don't say and it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Hang it ain't help though.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, don't mean they needed more.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Uh, look, ain't No, ain't no easy way to say this,
But it's not gonna get.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Better for the Ravens. Ooh yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's not that they're not get they're not going to
get better. And it seems like that lost open the
night that they had that lead. It took a lot
out of them. You hate to say one game, o Joe,
but you're in this situation. Remember you had it, had
them on the ropes last year and the playoff game
and you lose that one in heartbreaking fashion. You had
a big lead in the game, starting them what was
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that Sunday night? And you lose that one and they
really never got their footing back after that.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, what's Baltimore? Give me?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Baltimore's the next five games? Ash, it doesn't look like
it's gonna getting it better.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh it's not.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
It's definitely not. It's gonna get better for us before
it get better for y'all.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I can say.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I could, I can tell you that, and I say
I say that in a respectful manner as someone who
loves the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Rams. They got the Rams next.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's a loss. Bears, that's a loss. Vikings, Dolphins, Oh, Dolphins,
that's a win. They got the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's a win.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay, Vikings, then Brown and then Brown's Oh they're gonna
beat the Dolphin. Everybody to beat the Dolphins. So y'all,
y'all got y'all gonna go.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
While you talking. Your Dolphins got crushed.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
They did. Caroline beat them man Discover twenty seven, twenty four.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You're talking about crushed.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
They wouldn't have a lead. Huh, y'all would lead. I know.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But you said we got crushed. We ain't get crushed.
And the Panthers been playing some good ball. Well you
see Bryce, y'all what you talk about. It ain't like, oh,
the Dolphins got crushed. No, the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Dolphins got beat Arolina. Carolina put foots in them.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Hold on, Carolina, the same team that just beat the
goddamn Atlanta Falcons thirty was it thirty eight or thirty zero?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
They talk about the Falcons. I'm talking about their Dolphins.
I know.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know what yo, all your teams, the Bengals and
the Dolphins combined about.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I know you're not talking because we just talked about
your Ravens. Listen, the Bengals don't have we don't have
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Oh the Ravens got the quarterback. The Ravens got a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, let me. I mean your defense bad though you talk,
you're talking about the Bengals defense. Look at y'all defense.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What you mean, oh Joe? But see your thing was
the Dolphins was up seventeen to nothing. Oh look at
it now, now look at it?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Now, look at it.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Hey, we was up seventeen nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, yeah, and it will happen.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It seemed like Brece Young did it.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
We didn't needed to do.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
No, no, no, Look the Texans, the way the Texans played,
this is the way people expected CJ to play his
second year, right, the way he played today. This is
the best CJ. Stroud has looked since his rookie season.
They ran the ball thirty three times for one hundred
and sixty seven yards. Nick Chubb eleven for sixty one.
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I mean, look, Nick Chubb was really you know, only thing.
CJ had one had one run for thirty yards. He
looked pretty fast to me. I guess he found the
fountain of youth though over the last couple of days.
But anyway, they look they this was a total team
where they was a dominating They've dominated. Ain't no where
around it. They dominated the ball game. CJ was poised
in the pocket. He only missed two throws. And then
you get the ball, you run the ball for over
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one hundred and fifty yards and then you sacked the quarterback.
You only sacked the quarterback once. But I'm trying to
figure one hundred seventy nine plus forty four. They barely
had over to They barely had over two hundred yards
total offense.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
When you go on the road, you can go into
a team's.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Building and hold him that, you know, one hundred and
seventy nine yards passing, forty four yards rushing.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, you did something good.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Hey, what I told you before the season started, Before
the season started? What team did I have high praise for?
In the watch out for.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Carolina Bears?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Bingo, that was it?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, I told y'all, I told you, Like you said,
there's always a team that comes out of nowhere that
surprises us, right, told y'all, I told y'all, told you Abo,
I told you what Caroline were gonna do.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Now, now I know they beat my team, Yeah, they
did beat them, breaks off them.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Hold on, but we watch y'all seventeen.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Hey, listen, we're missing the key ingreident. We missing a
key component to offense, a game changer. We missed.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
He ain't coming back, So getting y'all they was getting
beat with him in the lineup.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Ain't that what you just told me? Hold on, okay?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
CJ was twenty three of twenty seven, two forty four
or four touchdowns, zero interceptions. Davis Mills comes in two
of four to twenty three yards. So as a team
that was twenty five or thirty one, two fifty four touchdowns.
Like I said, CJ looked very good today. He's very comfortable.
You can't if I mean, coach, he can't complain. He
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ain't got nothing to say say. Hey, guys, this is
the way I expect us to play. This is how
I expect us to look, regardless of who we play,
regardless of where we play. This is the level is
that we should This is the level we should hold
ourselves to.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
That's the first thing I'm gonna say regards to who
you play, because remember everybody's heard it for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
So looking like.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
You look today, looking like you look today, you're supposed
to when all the starters on out, when all the
elite players defensively are out against the team that's healthy.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Sometimes what do we see teams do play down to
the level of competition, competition, all them guys out. You
mentioned Lamar being out, You're missing mention those defensive guys
being out. Be hell out of them because see now
John Harbro can't go in there and lie to them. Guys,
we were close. All we need to do is stick together.
No hell, noah, I'm a beat you so bad. You're
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gonna start the splinter, You're gonna start to pour, You're
gonna start to look at each other. Man if he
get if he's if he studied like he's supposed to,
If man, I wonder if he give it an that's
the kind of doubt. That's what I try to sw
I'm not playing down to the competition. If your guys
are not in there, I'm trying to hang half one
hundred on you.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
And the funny thing about it is when you have
when you when you have injuries, right, the first thing
people do when you have injuries and things aren't going well,
the first thing they say, well, we need to change
a position coach, or we need a defensive coordinator, When
that's not the problem.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
That's never been the problem. I don't care who's calling
the plays.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It's up to those that are on the field to
execute whatever it's called.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Everybody has an assignment, everybody has the job to do.
When all eleven people are doing their job collectively the
right way, winning their individual battles every.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Down, down one, down two, down three, everything will work fine.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
But sometimes it takes having your starters in there to
do it the right way right when they're out. They
back up for a reason, they third stream for a reason.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Boy, we had a bond burnover a game tonight, the Jaguars.
The Jaguars. The Jags showed them merit that grit, being
down fourteen points, scored twenty one unanswered. The Chiefs come back,
tie it up, but guess what, and they take the
lead twenty eight to twenty four. But the Jags would
not be denied. They go down the field big time catchers,
(36:31):
get a passing afference in the m zone, they score,
and they take a ball gain a close ball game,
a very entertaining, a very great ball game, thirty one
to twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Oh Joe, let's go with the Jags first.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Trevor Lawrence eighteen or twenty five two to twenty one
one touchdown.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
But it was its legs tonight. It seemed like to me.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Liam Cohen said, look, when they come with pressure, and
they will bring pressure a lot on third down, don't
even look, don't even worry about trying to pass down
the field, get up out of there.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And that's what he did tonight.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I thought they played well and when the defense needed
to make a play, they made a play.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Take off.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah, hey, the Jags look really good. Obviously, you know
Spags loves to bring pressure to cause confusion to get
the quarterback to Rush's process, obviously resulting in sacks. But listen,
Treyl Lawrence said, not that they not on my watch.
He killed them with it. He killed them with his legs.
Obviously known for his arm and his other intangibles, but
(37:31):
tonight he used his legs to win. Travis Hunter, they
need to get him involved in the offense much more.
He saw make a huge play that changed the trajectory
that offensive series, which led to him scoring. Brian Tomajeria
played well, Travis atn I know what he did running
the ball, but picking up some of the blisses that
he did to be able to lie killing North to
(37:52):
make some of the throws that he made. Hey plays
like that will keep a running back on the field
all three downs. He played from all the football as well. Defensively,
the Jag played well as well, So, I mean it
was a really good game. I thought the turnovers would
have hurt him because I tweeted it during the game.
Every time they turned the ball over. The goddamn Cheese
capitalize on it, especially on the gold line where Trevor
(38:15):
Lawrence tried.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
To reach over and Nick Bolton pushed it out.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
He punts it out right away. Listen. Defensively, that god
damn interception. That ninety nine interceptions by Lloyd. That was nice.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, what you have to understand Ojo the court, he's
following Mahomes eyes.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Mahomes stared staring it down.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
You know, they tried to They tried to run the
arrow route push up, but it ran double arrow because
here comes Juju first and then I think Travis was
coming in behind him.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
So they tried to run double arrow.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
But the problem is is that when you look the
linebacker who's inside, he's going to naturally drift that weight
and because I mean, he hit him right in his
bread basket. He breaks a tackle, he side steps Mahomes
and now he's off to the races. The guy did
a great job of just getting enough for Thornton to
throw him off his rhythmic. Thornton was coming, but oh yeah,
(39:08):
for sure he would have called him. But I think
you have to give the Jags a lot of credit
being down at home. Fourteen points to that team, and
they were playing extremely well, but when they needed to
make plays, they made plays. At the end, Trevor Lawrence
played well. You mentioned at in it was this Blitz
pick up. Yeah, he had twelve carries forty nine yards
(39:28):
heath averaging what was that.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Basically four yards of carry.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But those boat when and some of those other guys
was coming on the Blitz Chanelle train quote, he stoned them.
I mean he stoned them. The offensive line did a
very good job of protecting. Look they had a half
a sack, Well they had what two sacks? Three sacks?
Look like you got sacked three times? He got three sacks,
(39:53):
got sacked three times. But I thought they did a
great job considering the amount of pressure that Spags likes
to bring, and you know, when he feels threatened he's
gonna bring pressure. They knew that too, But you look
at those throws at the end. Man, he dropped that
one in the bucket to Brian Thomas Jr. Right on
the sideline, and then he found the uh he found uh.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
What's his name, oh, Joe Uh with it? Washington? Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, I think it was Washington that ended up catching
the two catching the outball. But Trevor Lawrence played as well.
This is the Trevor Lawrence that they said, okay when
you took him number one. Overall, this is what they
expect him to look like. And he has moments like this,
but then he'll come back and he'll stink up the
joint you like. But bro, I've seen what you can do.
I know what you can do because I've seen it
(40:39):
first hand.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah, the problem is what we saw the knife from
Trevor Lawrence, where we saw the Knight. Collectively for the Jaguars,
this is not the Jaguars of old. This is a
new team. What we saw the Knight is a different
type of Jaguars offense. I don't think they've beating the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
It's been a very very long time since nine. You know,
so normally a team like this, the old Jaguar team,
they would have folded, they would have folded like lawn chair.
But they continued to fight despite being down, and they
fought their way back. I really impressed, really impressed. If
we can get this type of quarterback play from Trelor
Lawrence consistently, consistently, not just one night, consistently, but they're
(41:19):
gonna be fine. They're gonna be in the hunt. They're
gonna be in contention every single year if he can
continue to play like this but minimize the goddamn Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Two to to night and they and they, you know,
and they were able to survive them. I mean right
there at the gold line. He fumbled bad way and
he threw a pick when they had they had a lead.
So he has to he has to be very very
careful that the Jags pass board games have been decided
by total of eighteen points. They're three and one of
those games, winning three straight. The Jags are now four
and one with two home games coming up, the Seahawks
(41:48):
and the Rams.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Uh. Both of those both.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Of those teams have quarterbacks that can throw the football.
Both of those teams have receivers that can go get
the ball. You look at the Rams, you talk about
pooping the cool, you talk about thee Adams. They can
go get it. We know Seattle, you see Sam Donald
with JSN. Yes, man, they got guys that can go
get the football. So would I be surprised if we
see another couple both of those games end up something
(42:13):
like this, O Hoe, No, No, I would not, No,
I absolutely would not. But the Jags were very, very
impressive tonight and do dueball. Y'all should stand up because
y'all got to make it of a very good team.
Lim Cohen has done an unbelievable job of gutty Trevor Lawrence.
Trevor Lawrence has always had the ability from the moment
he stepped foot on the field at Clemson, they say,
(42:35):
this guy in three years from that point, when he
comes out, he's gonna be the number one pick in
the draft. He led Clemson to a national championship as
a true freshman. Not very many true freshmen can do that.
I think the last time it happened probably with Jamail Holloway,
and you had to go way back, way back Oklahoma
back eighty five probably, so for him to do that,
and then who do they beat? They beat Alabama, and
(42:57):
we know what Alabama represented, and for him to do that,
he would been he was very, very impressive. But for
whatever the reason, the last couple of years, I don't
know if it was injury. Now, I think the first
the first year, you know, Urban Myer was his coach,
and I don't think that was the best situation. He
wasn't set up for success in that situation. But now
(43:19):
Lim Coley and we saw what Coin has done with
Baker two years, I mean two years with Baker, and
you see what Baker has become. Now Baker is still
on that, he's still rising even though Lim left, But
we saw that what he become under Lim Cohen. So
this offense is very quarterback friendly. The guy receiver. They
got guys that can go get the ball. I agree
(43:39):
with you right now, until Travis refined and skilled. Look,
oh yea, they don't run it really on nothing but spots.
They're running more spots. Shellacrossey five yards, turn a roud,
we throw you the ball, make a got mistake off
running the shallowcross. And when they throw the ball down
the field, they're allowing him to use his athletic ability.
Remember to play what was it last week a couple
of weeks ago against San Francisco, they threw the dagger,
(44:01):
he elevates, catches it.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
We saw him tonight in between two. That's what.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
So until he refines his route running ability, this is
what you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Try to find ways to create get him in space
and let.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Him use his athleticism until he understands how to consistently
run the raw tree.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Because these guys that play dB, they're really good.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
They're very good, very good. But I think Travis Hunt
is one of those. He has such raw talent. He's
so good, especially with his ball skills, whether it's on
the defensive side of the ball or whether it's on
the offense side of the ball. If you can just
get the ball in the vicinity, if you can just
get in the area so he can make a play
on it. He coming down with that ball nine times
out of ten.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
And on the Chiefs, I thought Patrick Mahomes, look, he
played well tonight twenty nine to forty one, three to
eighteen one touchdown, the very costantly interception that led to
a nined. The one thing that you don't want to
have happen. You don't want to give up points on
your possession. So in other words, you don't want to
have a scooping scorer. You don't want to have a
pick six because now you know what I'm saying, that's
not what you're built to do. Your defense is not
(44:59):
on the field. We understand defensively, they're gonna score. Look,
these teams are really good, so for you to shut
a team out, it's probably not gonna happen. But the
last thing we want to do is give up points
while our offense is on the field. Because because our
defense didn't get a chance, didn't get a chance to
stop him. Patrick Mahoonmes led up with rushing. He was
six or sixty. Kareem Hunt had seven for forty nine
(45:21):
IP check o. He had seven for thirty six twenty
two for one point fifty eight, three touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And you see the way they came out. They threw
to set up the run.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
If you look at the first the first series, the
first couple of series, what they're doing getting the ball
out of his hands.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Quick. Guys were making.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Plays, quick, quick, quick game.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
But remember I said this, Yeah, when you don't have
a rapport with your quarterback. If Hollywood Brown had a
report with his quarterback, they win this game. Patrick mahons,
Patrick Mahomes get him on the shoulder with the ball.
He still don't know what that is. The safety is
flat footed. He catched this ball. On Joe, he's coming
at the backside. Talking about at the end of the game.
(46:03):
Oh yeah, but you see that. There are some guys
you were imagine if you had up like damn, ain't
nobody here.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Let me look for this ball he is.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
He's running the route that they called oblivious.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, right to the situation. You gotta understand the situation.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Travis Kelce. You remember Travis Kelsey against Buffalo. He got wide,
goat you go home. Put the ball only they got
in field goal rangee Hollywood, all you gotta do? You
see everybody's off. Oh Joe, the backside safety is flat footed.
He catched this ball. That's Hollywood Brown. He's coming out
the backside. That's a touchdown coming out.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, he could go. Now, let's go. He can go
if anything, because the entire defense was back, he can
come out the backside. If he doesn't even make it
out the backside, you're still in field goal range, you
get down, call the time out if.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
You if you go back, look at this, if you
tell me you don't think Hollywood Brown is oh cho
because the safety, the backside safety, he's flat footed. That
means Hollywood Brown is gonna catch this ball where they
running start, Yeah, he call ain't no ain't no way,
no safety that's flat footed. It's gonna turn and beat
(47:21):
Hollywood Brown to a point. But we talked about this
the other remember that, I think it was the first
game he tried to do that with a receiver. But
he doesn't have the report. Now that's Tyreek Hill, Oh Joe.
We having a whole different conversation because they have a report.
They have an understanding with each other, that's what. But
the mahomes is gonna have to get with his guys
and say, look, guys, I understand what's called. But if
(47:44):
that guy's off, you look for the ball.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
And obviously it's all situations. Yes, you understand. Obviously whatever
route is called normally if we're if we're in a
regular game, then yes, the route is called you run,
you run to your death. But it's it's it's just
understanding its situation. If they're backed up, turn your head
round right away. Get what you can with the ball,
get what you can understanding there's only a little bit
(48:07):
of time on the clock. You don't even have time
to get into your food.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
No, don't, don't.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I don't know. Like, See, the thing is is that
I'm not so sure. I don't even call a fair
catch on that oyo on the kickoff because guess what happened.
You're not going to run it back and there's a
greater chance of you getting a holding call or a
block in the back call that you're running it back.
So now instead of starting at the twenty five, guess
where you're gonna start at inside your twenty right, and
guess what's Guess what else you did? You ran time
(48:33):
off the clock. See the ball, don't start the clock,
don't start until you touch the ball. Now you run,
you take six seconds off the clock. Now, well six
seven seconds off the clock. Now you get a block
in the back. You took eight seconds off the clock,
and you're ten fifteen yards back further than what you
would have been. But those are things that you learn. See,
(48:54):
those are things that we talk. I don't look, I
can't speak to everybody else, but this is what we
talked about in situations like this. Look, if the balls
kicked in the M zone, leave it in the M zone.
We don't run and running in time punt return, fair catch,
We don't want any time to run off the clock.
We don't want to get an illegal block. Look we
got they had three time outs, O joe, three timeouts
(49:16):
in thirty seconds. That's an eternity. Because the entire field
is in play. I can throw them all over the middle.
It's in play. Call a time out now. I just
took seven seconds off the clock. I got twenty three.
Guess what middle field is still in play. I take
another second, seven seconds off the clock. Guess what, I
still gotta time out. The feel the entirety of the
(49:40):
field is still in play. Yeah, that's things that you
got to talk about. And you've got to do a
better job special teams. Coach, you've got to do a
better job of helping guys understand, Remind them, remind them, hey, fair.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Catch this, X, Y and Z. Hey let's go ahead.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yeah, it's all about It's all about the coaches letting
them play no certain situations defensively, offensively, special teams. If
these certain situations come up, even if they might not
come up, just so they're aware. And obviously coaches have
to know in game what's possible. There's a chance that
this might happen. There's a chance that this might happen,
So be aware and understanding this is what you want
(50:19):
to do in this situation. Same with Holly Bell Brown
on that play towards the end of the game, understanding, hell,
they damned it, win it. Preinden, get your head around fast.
If you can go out the back door, go out
the back door. If you can't get as much as
you can get down, call time out real fast. So
we have our opportunity in a chance to run something else.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
But you got to give the Jacks credit. They didn't
hang their heads. They fell behind fourteen nothing, they get
a touchdown late, and they get a touchdown late in
the second in the second quarter, make it a fourteen
to seven ball game, and then they score fourteen more points.
So they scored twenty one out of as points. And
then we saw what happened at the end of the game.
But give those guys credit because I thought Jacksonville played
(50:59):
really well.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
They showed me something. They showed me something.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Getting down to this team with this defense and that
guy playing quarterback. They showed me something. I thought the
receivers played well today. Thornton stepped up. Thornton's been playing
extremely well.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Xavier work again again, Thornton again with another big play.
I wish, I wish he could have kept his balance
too on that deep ball and scored and scored that.
But yeah, they played really well both.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
This is I don't know who the hell skeedule these
goddamn games, but every time we got a Sunday night
or Monday night or a Thursday night game, they had
been phenomenal, phenomenal game. If you blink, you might miss something.
That's how good the games have been so far through week.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
But the thing I don't understand is next week we
got a doubleheader. We don't need two games on Monday night, right,
I mean, how much money do y'all want?
Speaker 1 (51:49):
But they're on the same network.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yeah, hold on, hold on?
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Who we got? Who we got?
Speaker 2 (51:55):
We got the Bear than the Commanders and Buffalo playing
somebody the Falcons.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Oh, Joe, we don't need two games on a Monday.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
Now, And I can tell you what game everybody's gonna
be tuned into unless you're a Buffalo fan, unless you're
a Falcons fan, everybody gonna be watching the Bears. Of course,
everybody canna be watching the Bears of COT. So I'm
not sure why the NFL is doing that. Obviously, you
understand what the bottom line is that at the end
of the day on why there's a double header on
a Monday. But listen, they're trying to double this. They're
(52:24):
trying to double dip. If you understand the business, They're
just trying to double this.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
That'd be like bringing putting friends and everybody love Raymond
on the same.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Networks. Why the hell you do that?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Come on, bro, come on the NFL. It's unnecessary. I
get Sunday, I get Sunday, all these games, but on
a on a single on a single night, Oh your
one game?
Speaker 1 (52:46):
We need what?
Speaker 2 (52:46):
But you guess what. Pretty soon they're gonna have two
games on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Watch yeah, watch yeah. Because you have to understand too.
You got to look at it from a business a
business standpoint. You gotta look at from their their stand point.
You know what their bottom line is. We're trying to
maximize as much as you can in this seventeen game
season plus the playoffs plus theot BAWL. So how can
we double the profit by having two games?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
What they're gonna do is they're gonna add another playoff
game in the next three to five years that have
another playoff game, So instead of seven, they'll be eight
and you know that eighteenth game coming. And what they're
trying to do also is trying to have everybody play
one game overseas. Now, good luck getting the Cowboys to
give up a home game. Now everybody else is gonna
be more than willing to give up a home game.
Convince Jarry to give up one of his home games.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
It ain't happen. It ain't happening because if you give
up a home game, that's taking away the money.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
I mean, I get I get Jacksonville, I get Cleveland,
I get some of these teams. But right.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Let everybody, let everybody you know, we trying to we
try to grow. I don't know if football, American football,
will ever be what soccer is, or ever be what
basketball is, because nobody grows up wanting to be like
Randy Moss or wanting to be like Jared Rice or
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
If you and if you in Europe.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
But listen, I understand what you're saying. Even we will
never I don't think any sport will ever touch that
of soccer, that of the beautiful. Obviously, basketball is another
sport that many of them choose to play or to
be like certain individuals. But the game of the game
of football, as great as it is, continue to grow
(54:29):
globally on the other side of the world is a
good thing for all. It's a good thing over because obviously,
not only do we get to to expand from an
economic standpoint, it's good for for other players, their brand
and being able to do things not just here in
the States, but being able to do things outside of
the States as well. So in a sense long term,
(54:51):
it's a great thing. It's a great thing. But we
would they will never ever be able to be what
be what soccer is.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
That's because European they play it. They can play soccer.
I give you, humpro, what's the likely Africa and the
continent of Africa. You have Nigeria, you have teams they
can play of football.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
How many guys from Europe go like you know what, yeah,
that football thing. I want to be back at my home.
That will be Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Hey, it would be very difficult. You have to understand too,
everybody in Europe, everybody plays soccer. The chances of you
playing at the highest level the EPL, CITI I, La Liga,
I mean frenchly that only so many. It's only so
many spots, and everybody does it. So like, just think
(55:43):
about this. I know you don't watch soccer much, but
you hear the conversations of the comparison between Christiano and Messi.
I don't think people understand how brilliant and how good
these dudes are because everybody played this sport, and the
comparison of who the best is of a certain error
or a certain generation, that's the creep of the crop.
And then there's ever.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Were gonna be the place you come to for the
World Cup?
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Oh yeah, but you think about in soccer, Uh, Messi
left home? Uh you think about Ronaldo left home, Hobbling
probably left home. Lewan Dawaski probably left home.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, so it's a difference. But man, this game tonight,
this game tonight, We've we've been getting some very very
good games thus far. Ear I know it's earlier, o yo,
it's like week eight week nine, they be like, damn, y'all,
couldn't y'all couldn't flex up out of this one. I
(56:43):
don't think they can flex. I think they can only
I think Sunday Night is the game. But I think
they start, they're starting to allow them to flex out earlier,
because you know.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Ain't nobody trying.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I understand that they might be this or might be that,
but ain't nobody trying in week ten trying to see
a two team, a two win team on those Sunday
night or no Monday night or no Thursday, Well, Thursday,
you stuck? He stuck because every everybody has to everybody
has to.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Play, you know, at least one Thursday night game, right right?
Speaker 4 (57:13):
Huh damn man.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Out of Monday night Sunday night. Okay, yeah, oh they playing?
Oh yeah, And that's the thing. It was like, hey,
Fox and CBS be like, man, we gotta well we
got a barn Burner And he said, now let me
get that one.
Speaker 4 (57:29):
Hey are you speaking of speaking of bar Bros? The
ash ash Who is the London game this Sunday? The
Broncos who they playing?
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Right, yeah, I be I be at that game. I
be at the game. Matter of fact, what I'm gonna
do is I'm gonna go down on the field.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
Ain't gonna nothing gonna change.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
Can I tell you who gonna win, Bronco the Jets.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
You hoping
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