July 10, 2025 • 43 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are joined by Ricky Williams, Terron Armstead, and DeSean Jackson! Ricky opens up about his THC use during his career, Armstead recalls his record-breaking 40-yard dash, and DeSean reflects on his rollercoaster journey with the Eagles.
0:00 - Ricky Williams on using THC during his playing days
16:19 - How Unc/Ocho used to prank rookies back in the day
25:00 - Terron Armstead on breaking the combine 40 record for OL
30:07 - Armstead on dark truths about NFL injuries
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ricky, we got something you know you're from, Well, you're
from San Diego. Where do you live now? You are
you back in San Diego? You in Texas or in Miami.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'll live in Northern California.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You live in Northern California. Now yeah, okay, well we
got something that you might can help us out on.
You recently spoke at legislation Texas. They're trying to ban
marijuana products. I guess his products will have the THC
in it, correct.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's I mean, yes, it's not. It's not supposed to.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
But and that's why it's the issue is that, Okay,
pretty much you can go to a guas station in
Texas and get THC.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well damn, and they try so they don't. Like in California,
you have these like these specialty shops. You have cannabis
shops that you go into and you can buy you know,
obviously you can buy I don't know, Graham or whatever
the case may be.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I mean, you can probably speak to that a little
better than I can.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But so what they are they trying to like take
it completely out or they're trying to get like restricted
where you have to go to a specific place and
not just your arbitrary gas station.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's both, but it's a little extreme.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
They're trying to ban it one hundred percent, and they're
gonna they say they're gonna open up the medical program.
And I think it's a good idea to open up
the medical program, but I think it's a little it's
a little too much to say to ban it one
hundred percent. It doesn't need to be regulated more, but
not banned.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
But you do realize that when like when they open
it up for medical purposes, or so they say, medicinal purposes,
you know, only a select group of people get those licenses, right,
you know that, you know it's you know what we
have been inconcrated for for two, five, ten, fifteen years.
Now we got you know, we're selling a little nickelbago
with your little grab little whatever the.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Case you be.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Woo woo.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Now they get a license and they get to capitalize
on it and make millions and millions and millions of dollars.
And then we get cut out of like, hey, wen,
spend time in jail for that.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Real Yeah, it's real, it's real.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
And then then the funny thing about it is they
don't allow things to pass so they don't allow they
don't legalize things until they're able to monetize on it.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, once they find they cattach you on it.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
But that that's that's exactly how it is.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
And obviously you understand the other aspect, the of the
dynamic of of certain people obviously of color, who have
used it as a way of survival, as a means
to provide Uh, they've been locked up, you know for years,
and we understand how that goes. It's always it's always
a double sided sword in the sense. But hopefully those
that are able to use it for medicinal purposes and
(02:33):
everyone is given the opportunity to get those licenses when
the time comes.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, I mean, speaking of what you're talking about, Chad,
there are a lot of people in prison still that
shouldn't be in prison. Yes, but also in most states
because when when the movement first started, most of the
people were liberal. So when the movement first started, they
made sure in a lot of legislations that people who
have been incarcerated or felonies have easier access they can.
(02:59):
If you've been incarcerated for cannabis non violent cannabis related defense,
in a lot of states, you have easier actions.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You can get access to a license.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Okay, that's nice, that's cool.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Okay it is.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But the issue is most of those people can't afford
for don't have the expertise to be able to do
anything with those licenses.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Right. So yeah, so it don't really work.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I was talking to someone and they say, look, when
we get when we get a license, us people that
look like me, you are ricky, don't be selling your
homeboy pound. Do what you do to goud like do
the guy, Oh Joe, I'm talking to somebody that's kind
of in that business, and to keep the business above
the board. When your homeboy come, don't sell him a pound.
(03:43):
Selling what you're supposed to sell. Keep it above the board.
So you get to keep your license. I know your homebok.
Come on, bro, Ain't nobody gonna know? Yes, they gonna know,
because as soon as you get jammed up, do what
you're gonna say, oh Joe, to keep yourself from getting
ten to fifteen, you're gonna die your partner out. He
gonna lose his license, They gonna shut him down. So
(04:05):
if we were, if we're fortunate enough to be in
those positions, let's just do right a, keep it, keep
that money flow going, because like you said, that's.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
A cash that's a cash business, big one.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
And it's just like alcohol prohibition.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
They read bootleg moon shine and all that stuff, and
they said, hold on, we keep busting. Let's just ay
let them make it and let's tax their ass on it.
The same thing with cigarettes. Let's tax them. We could
get some Oh this is a little billion and billion
and billion dollar business. Instead of hired all these people
to try to bust the steals and cut the trees down.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
We can monetize it and wants anybody.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Look, once someone find they can make some money off it,
they're gonna make money off it. It's really it's really
that simple. And uh but I'm glad you look Rick.
Let me ask you this had at the laws and
the way people look at because when I was, when
(05:04):
I was younger and growing up and in the league,
marijuana with a stigma, with a stigma, people frowned to
put it.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And it's not nearly that.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I mean, now, hey, you Califoi, they walk around, they'd
be smoking it outside.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
It ain't nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
How different do you think your career would have been
had you been allowed to you know, you know, partake, you.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Know, I think it would have been a lot different
because just you know, off the field, just all the
trouble I was in all the time, and and it
hits some of my reputation at the time. It was
so stressful that I'm sure if I, if things were
going better and I was allowed to be myself, that
I would have been able to perform at.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Even a higher level. No pun intended, but no.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
But seriously, right, because I think we only have so
much energy, and when things are stressing, the sound, that's
energy that's being wasted that could be going to something different.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Right, I mean you look, California has always been very
very liberal, very open minded. I mean you go to
the Bay and the hippies and the yuppies and it
had woodstock and all that other stuff going on. Do
you think your upbringing do you think where you was,
where you was raised at played a role in you
being so you know open it and partaking and in marijuana?
(06:24):
And did you smoke in high school? Did you smoke
in college? When did this your your love infatuation or
whatever the case you mightn't want to call it. When
did when did your love? But when did you first
partaking in marijuana.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
The first time I was it was in high school,
but I wasn't. I wasn't a smoker. I don't really
look on the smoker until I got into the league
because it was stigmatizing. You know, I was an athlete
and like growing up, the one thing that ever my grandma,
everybody said, right, don't throw it away for drugs.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So you know, I tried. I listened. I tried to listen.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So no, but it wasn't until it wasn't until later.
And I definitely thing when I was thirteen. My mom,
my stepdad was was a roster and so he would
smoke every night. It just was part of his routine.
And my my auntie, she had a she had a
tree in her in her kitchen, so it was around me.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So I was. I was desensitized to it.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Like you know, I think if people aren't around it
and they just hear the stigma, that's all they have
to go on.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So I was around it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And the people that I did said, my stepdad and
my auntie were people I probably liked the most in
the whole world, and and they smoked. So but I
get I wasn't partaking when I was young, but I
was open to it. I wasn't against it, I wasn't
anti right.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm really curious you say you
hadn't smoked when you I mean, obviously, most of the
time when it comes to people having certain habits, it
come from their surroundings and upbrings. But the fact that you,
you know, had the discipline not to be interested in
it why you were while you were young. But once
you got to the NFL. Did you use it in
an NFL because of injuries? Because of stress?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I mean it was stressed.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I think the reason I had and you use it
up until that point because life was like, was good.
I wasn't really stressed about anything, you know, I didn't.
I didn't need it, and I got to the point
where things got really stressful and I realized that this
helped me because you know, everybody knows I'm a shy person,
I'm an introverted person, and something about smoking, I just
(08:23):
get to be with myself, right, and I feel like
I get energy.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I get energy from that and it helps me.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Well in the situation.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Rick, I think the thing is you said, uh, the
expectations and we go get into this where Mike Dicker
gave up his entire draft class to select you.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You know, that had never been done in the history
of sports.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean basically, that was Aesop giving his kingdom away
for a horse, and the expectations that came along. Now
you're supposed to be the greatest NFL running back because
you look at all the running backs Jim Brown and
Barry Sanders and Emtt Smith and Dickerson, all those guys
they got slotted. The man gave up his entire class
to select you. So now that comes along. I mean,
(09:02):
you were a Hedgman Trophy winning running back. You had
the most rushing yards in college history. So now I'm
a Heisman Trophy winner. I got the most rushing yards.
A guy just gave up an entire draft class for me.
That's a lot of expectations on the running back. Did
that play any role?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Honestly, if I'm being really you can call me.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'm grateful, but I don't think I even got to
the point of realizing the expectations because I was so
disappointed that I slid to the number five spot.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh okay, wow, okay, So I was like I was
in a shot. I mean, after that I don't even
remember what happened. I don't remember. I don't even.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Remember how because just what you said, you know, to me,
I thought I had I had made the case, and
not even to be the best in the future, but
that I was the best at least I had the
potential to be the best because of the track my
track record. So I thought I should have been the
first pick, and I wasn't. And the engineer was picked
number four. What Hall of Fame career. But I wasn't
(10:02):
even the first running back pick. So so I mean again,
I remember sitting there and I was spinning, and I
remember saying them saying something about pigs or something something,
you know, Mike dick Us, I'm with a cigar.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And then and then I was on an airplane headed
to New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Did you get hot? Did you get hot at night?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I wasn't smoking.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Then you were smoking there, so you did?
Speaker 7 (10:25):
You?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So you did just start smoking till you got to
what Miami?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I started smoking in New Orleans?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Started smoking my second year, my second year in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Did you have any what was it injury related? I mean,
you're talking about your You're an introverted person. I mean
I would uh, I think I remember, uh, you was
talking and you always had your face map, you had
your helmet on, and you had the dark shield, and
you know, everybody was like, damn, what's what's going on, Ricky?
Seems like you know, this is what they were saying.
They said, Man, I'm a dude, weird man who gives
(10:57):
an interview with the helmet on. We can't see as eye.
We don't know what he's thinking. You know, people would
like for you to make eye contact. And you were
like and up, like, wow, okay, this is this is different.
But hey, each of all and the man did win
a Heisman. He was you know, uh won all these
awards the dope walker.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
So hey, it's.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Hard to argue the man has had success doing it
that way.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's not the same though.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I mean, my time in college and my time in
the NFL were completely different. And basically it was just
the people's orientation towards me. Okay, you know, because as
a sensitive person, that's what it means. It means I
need to be around people that feel me, because if
I'm around people that don't feel me, then it's hard
for me to feel myself. And so I would around
people that didn't feel me. The only when I could
(11:41):
feel myself was I go home with my homeisus right,
smoke a little bit and get on the game, just
to relax, just to give it, just to again recharge
so I could get up and go do it again.
Being on the field. I love being on the field. Nothing,
nothing better, nothing to me. There was no better feeling
in the whole wide world. And I'm talking about practice.
There was no better feeling in the whole world for
(12:03):
me than to be on that football field.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Nothing. And that's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But all the other stuff it just made it almost
to the point where it wasn't worth it. And so
I realized that if I wasn't like smoking, connecting, I
would have gave it up the game.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Mm And you know, you know it's funny and Rick,
when I when I think about it, as as great
as you were in college, as great as you were
in the NFL, just imagine if they were a little
bit more lenient with the rules and allowing you to smoke.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Let's say, for medicinal purposes.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
You know, if it's something that you have in an issue,
and you if it makes you feel a little bit
more comfortable and and and being able to operate and
do your job on a day to day basis you
who knows what you what you could have done because
you were smoking weed and doing damage and running like crazy.
So I could just imagine, do you ever sit back
and think about and have regrets in the way things
(12:55):
turned out or went And if you could, if you
could rewind the time and do it all over again,
would you make a different choice?
Speaker 6 (13:01):
As far as smoking and concern, you.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Know, I think about this a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And the thing I think about more is the people,
the players, the guys now in the league who, because things.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Have changed, who can, yes, who can?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's not so much pressure And I feel like I
had something to do with opening that door, And to me,
that makes that makes all of it worth it. And
as far as regrets, I can say this now because
I've lived and I had.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I'm living now.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Is I wish that I would have taken more of
an advocacy role at the time?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Is you know? Because what you're saying is true. I
mean that's real. I wasn't hurting anybody.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I was just taking care of myself so I could
go deliver the product that they that they were expecting
me to deliver, and I and I did. I mean
when I got to Miami and I got into my groove,
you know, I let the league in Russia, the All
Pro and so I think, to me, the league, we
go out there and put our bodies, in our minds
and our hearts on the line, and they should give
(14:02):
us all reasonable means to be able to take care
of ourselves to be able to do that. And I
wish I would have been courageous enough at the time
to say that publicly, because why other people believe believe
it or not. Once you say something publicly and people
are hearing it, it starts the conversation. And I think,
and that's what I've seen. The biggest effect I've had
is people can talk about this now and I'm in
(14:24):
the right. They almost expected to talk about it when
I'm in the room, so's it makes it easier.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I think the thing is Ricky is that like it
was a stigma, and the more people started to talk
about it and you started to have more prominent people,
you started to have people like yourself, and you have
some of the Hollywood elites start talking about it, and
the medicinal purposes that it have. And it said, and
you know, I've heard people that talk about, oh, you
got no problem giving these guys shots. You got the
problem giving these guy painkillers, getting them addicted to something.
(14:53):
And then when they lead the league, they still need
that and they can't get that and they're crashing out.
Why can't you allow them to smoke marijuana, calmed them down,
take the pain away, Because at the end of the day,
they're trying this is a gladiator sport. This is not
a contact sport. This is a collision sport. There are
no winners. There are only survivors in this game. And
so if you're going to, hey, take this biking, and
(15:17):
take this purposet, take this, take this toward all, take
this and that, and and and all these anti inflammatories,
which is more which is more dangerous to the body,
which is more harmful to the body, which is called
the more harm in breaking the body down even more
than this, Why not have a conversation. And I think
the NFL they did open their mind. They started doing
(15:38):
a little bit of their own research because obviously, you know,
they don't want to make sure, they don't want to
get sued down the line. They started doing some research
and I think they came to the conclusion that you
and many many in your in your area, Rick had
already known.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, it takes time. So I feel like I was
a pioneer and I'm being rewarded for.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It now, so it feels like it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But see, Ricked, I don't know, man, you might have
been smoking that scun you might have been on that
that khalif a cush you had been, you owe that
boat to you.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
If you'd have had that on home, Bro, they had
have never showed up for your system. You could have
just been.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Seahawks rookie DT Fyron Murphy the second took his teammates
out for dinner and was pranked with a fake dinner
bill of one hundred and fifty five thousand. The reaction
was priceless. His actual dinner bill wasn't much better.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
It was thirty eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
O Joe, did y'all ever prank the rooks?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (16:41):
I had.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I mean as when I was a veteran, I didn't.
I didn't make the rookies do do rookie night.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Now when I was a rookie.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I'll never forget Peter Ward darnee Scott Ron Dugan's Danny
Farmer was there at the time. Uh TJ. Now, I
had to pay for Ricky dinner that night. I can't
remember what the price was, but it was it was.
It was a little hefty for thirty eight thousand. Thinking
about that, that ain't much. That ain't much when you
(17:10):
look at some of the linemen when the lineman go
go out. Man, I've seen some of those, some of
those receipts when the boys go out.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
But it'd be expensive.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Well, you start ordering, you start ordering that King lou
You get ordered that King Louis. They do it on
five hundred one thousand dollars a shot. They do it
in like fifteen shots of that, and then they're gonna
order that bigger. They're gonna order a bottle of wine
to end up costing like ten grand. You getting the bigger,
you get the lobster. You know, they bring the lobster
round on the wagon, and the lobster this big y'all, y'all,
(17:42):
I know, y'all seen it. They bring the lobster round
in the wagon.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
He thinks he's going for a ride. Little know.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Hey, hey, they don't be playing, boy, they don't be
playing look uh Porters and actually lit Lee their rookie
night out.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
We hit them for about twenty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You know, me, I had to have a little I
had a limo, you know, because I didn't want nobody
because they're gonna go other places. I had a relationship,
y'all not gonna get me broken up in the middle
of Seatson. I know, Oh Joe, I know, I know
(18:31):
my limitations. I ain't fooling with y'all. Same thing I
tell my homeboys when they come, you know, ay, Searp,
come on, let's go out. No bro, no no, no,
no, no no no, You're not gonna mess with my home
and leave right No, absolutely not. I get some of
my tea. A hey, bro, you're going out? Yeah, man,
Hey my homeboys in town, man, Sep. You know we
got them.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Hey, right there you go. You're good.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah. But other than that or yo, yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Now listen, if you're a rookie and you're now you
your rookie and you a first round pick, man, listen.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Oh we wrecky because of growth coming because I got
a limbo. I got a limbo because I got a
limbo by myself. Dadd's still a limbo for me because
I wasn't going out with them, oh yall, I wasn't
going out with him afterwards. So I needed a limo
that was gonna take me back because I would hey, no, no, no, no,
I'm going home. So but you know, back then, I
think you had to get a limo for like for
(19:25):
like five six hours, seven hours.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
It was probably like one hundred dollars an hour. It
wasn't no nothing, no swat like that.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
But uh, the only thing I made sure of, O yo,
I wouldn't let you get stuff to take home. I
don't care if your mom, I don't care if your dad,
I don't care if anything. You're not getting stuff. No, no, no,
I'm not gonna no no, no, no no. We're not
gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Us US US US.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
So that was. That was like twenty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, you know we you know the guy order
King Lord, that order, you know, like a fifteenth protruce by.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You know, Wine or roth Child whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They get a couple of bottles that I said, bro y'all,
and you know they gotta get they gotta get the
most expensive steak. They gotta get the lobster, they gotta
get the everything. So it it didn't cost the I mean,
twenty two thousand wasn't that wasn't that much. But oh
yeah you're gonna pay. Somebody said, oh I wouldn't pay.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Oh yeah you would. Oh we're gonna take it out
of check. You gonna pay. We are not going to
allow you.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
A tradition that's been handed down the first round draft
pick uh second right now. A lot of time we
let them, y'all, y'all pull together a lot of times
the first round that had to pay. Donner for himself.
I remember to hit my brother, but I think they
hit my brother for like twelve thirteen grand. But the
thing is is that you gotta do that. If you're
(20:51):
a rookie. You've got to bring donuts, you got to
bring breakfast sandwiches, You've got to bring food to the plane.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I did it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You'll know how many times I'm hus the bustling, I'm
dressed like Jeff throw modein tie, hang it all up,
paying by.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
The fall up.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Man, Man, don't yo, man o't Joe, cause I gotta go, man,
did you he won't Kentucky Fried chicken.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
He won't Popeyes, he won't this. I gotta go all
the pride of place.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Man.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Hell no, That's why I was like, I gotta make
the team. All this they got me doing, I would
have miss somebody.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Doing this issue me please oh man, hell nah.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But uh, we did all that rookie singing, Oh Joe,
I wasn't bigger than I went big into the hazen.
We make rookie sing uh. You know, we might steal
their car and drive that off or something like that.
But all that, I ain't cutting nobody hair because the
ain't nobody cutting my hair because it's really been it's
been cut my hair. There's gonna be a problem. So
(21:55):
we're not gonna do that. And so I would. We
didn't cut anybody here. You know, at Baltimore, we take
the rookies to the gold Post.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
That was Yeah, that was hard.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Put him in the cold to put.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Him in the coldtel. Yeah, we tapped table him up
and put him in the cold tel. Stuff like that
on yo. But mainly we make him singing not your alma.
I don't want to hear about your fight song. I
don't want to hear about your album.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Model. You gotta sing some Luther Van draws Barry White.
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sing hey whatever, you know the words to.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Other than your damn fight song.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So uh but yeah, but that was that was a yeah,
that was back in the day. That was back in Yeah,
we used to steal people cars and stuff like that.
It's funny because the past the time, it's like grown
men and what we behaved like eight seven to eight
year old little kids.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Uh Alma.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Rod Saint Brown thinks the NFL should make a rude change.
Let's take a listen to the change he recommends.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Okay, then will should be changed. You should obviously make
your playoffs spot.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But having a fourteen win team having to go on
the road is kind of crazy.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
But I guess you know, I don't make the rope.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So okay, now we're not gonna change the rule because
y'all might lose the game and be a fourteen and win.
A fourteen win team to go on the road. That
is how we do it, right, It's been like that,
o yo.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
So well, listen, they're going to they going to Minnesota, right,
they play Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Talk with them, Oh, Minnesota comes to them.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, so they already beat Minnesota on the walk up
they kicked the field goal.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Yeah, but what is he complaining about then.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Because they might lose be fourteen to oh and they
have to start the season on the road.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Yeah, listen, that's that's nothing you should even worry about,
especially that god damn high powered offense. There should be
nothing you worried about whether you're playing home or whether
you're playing home. Of the way, I understand the advantage
that play that teams have playing at home, but mentioning
the way the way y'all rock and offensively right now,
I wouldn't care if we was playing in the Sahara
Desert as long as Dan cambell is my coach, and
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he got that wheel barrow with him Cajonnas he carried
him every time he's coaching.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I'm not tripping.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I am not tripping.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah he uh.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So, I don't agree. I think we're not both. We
don't agree because the rules are the rule. We're not
going to change the rule because we have an anomally
how many times the fourteen win team has had to
start on the road, so so one time it happened.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
In the.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
One hundred plus year history. Now we're gonna make a rule.
So what Noah, We're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It was it was a great suggestion.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, but the team, you know, and and how y'all
are playing on the road and at home, it really
don't matter.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
What he's saying, though, o Jo, is that if we
have a better record than a division winner, we should
be at.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Home and they should have to go on the road.
They won a division.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
That's the reward you get for winning the division is
that you get to play at least one.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Game at home. Yeah, I see what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
In the twenty thirteen Combine, Tehran recorded the fastest forty
for an offensive lineman in Combine history, a record that
still stands to this day.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
It was close.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Lane Johnson ran four seven two, but Toront's record of
four to seven one is close. And if I'm not mistaken,
they are the only two offensive linemens that's run in
the four sevens. They've been a couple of runs low
four eights, but no other lineman other than Tehran at
four seven one Lane Johnson at four seven two have
been in the offensive lineman have been in the four seventh.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
So as of yet.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So now we're thirteen years in counting twenty thirteen to
twenty fifteen, and Toront still helds that record. Toron, Look,
you're coming out of Arkansas Pine Bluff, and it's not
like it used to be. There used to be a
plethora of guys coming out of HBCUs and so that
would have been nothing.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But here it is.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Now we're in the twenty tens and we get an
offensive linean your three times swack All Conference player, and
you go through the Combine. What were your expectations? Did
you know you had this kount of ability in you?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. I knew I had the
talent and the speed and agility to showcase. I just
had to get to the showcase. So it was really
huge for me to get that Combine invite that was
that was monumental for me trying to get more exposure,
to get more eyes to my tape. So I knew
that I was going to go. I was going for
the record for sure, Like before I even before we
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got to Indy, I was going for the record. I
wanted to run faster honestly than that. But I'll take
the four seven.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Four three on five. That's moving now.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Listen that's what I would get ready to ask you.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I would get to ask you how.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Tall you were and how much you weighed to be
able to run that. Listen, I ain't running but four
five so technically, but you right there with.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Me, right there on your neck. Yeah, I was six
six five, three oh six, I believe three or four
at the combine.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Wow, so you knew, you knew? So what was if
I'm not, I don't know what the record was? What
was the record? What was the fastest forty time for
an offensive lineman before you broke it? It was four
a four, four a four. While you didn't break it,
you're obliterated.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
It needed it. I needed it. I needed all that.
I needed that that my moment.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I was on.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
NFL network dot com, NFL dot com for like two hours.
I needed all of it. So the scouts can go
watch my film.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay, So now you go run that forty yard dash type.
You run four seven one, and that's really the order.
Yeah they want you to jump high, Yeah they want
you to do too, but speed is what captivates their attention.
Now you're an offensive lineman. You never gonna be able
to unwind that four seven one again but you just
wanted to put that on tape to let them see,
look you got a phenomenal athlete. Yes, I went to
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Arkansas Pine Bluff. Yeah, I know you're gonna downgrade me
talking about who did I blog and who did I
play against? But I'm gonna come and showcase my skills
and let you see and then the chips fall where
they may. So when you ran that time, did you know, like, okay,
I got their undivided attention.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I'm about to get drafted.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Oh yeah, no, for sure. We have special talents down
there in these HBCUs all across the country. We do.
So I just needed the opportunity to showcase my skill.
I knew what time it was. I was going for
the vertical record too. I missed that by half an inch,
so like I knew that I was going to be
able to make that splash. And like I say again,
I needed it. I really needed that chance to get
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all the scouts just to watch my film. I wouldn't
ask you for no favorites, but just check out the
film and see the dominance.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Now, also when I look at the officer line position,
as fast as you were, you know, as far as
running the forty. Did you have an advantage as far
as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive
line as well, because most of the time, obviously, you know,
playing officer line is all about your hand placement and
your footwork, you know what, we always being being balanced
for sure.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Did that give you the advantage?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:52):
No. My letter says to my agility that those were
my strengths when I played throughout my twelve year career
because I put six or five three ERD before. Not
the biggest tackle, not not necessarily the strongest either, but
I'm on your ass soon as the boss, you know
what I mean, A lot of a lot of jump sets.
I had to use that in my game, so, uh,
finding ways to play in my strength and I was
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using my speed.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Were you always an offensive lineman cuts out?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I mean, with that kind of fast twitch, you might
have been a you might have been a tight end
at some point in time in your career.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Were you always an offensive lineman?
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Well, back in my hometown Cooki, Illinois, we were no
off of speed. That's what we do. We run, So
I was a defensive lineman off of lima. But I
would to go play seven on seven with the guys
corner safety receiving. Really yeah, it really was like that,
really like that. I can't do that shit no more.
But I can't move like that no MOREL took.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
You mentioned you see, so you were thirty four, thirty
four right.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Now thirty five thirty three, thirty three run you walk
away from the game.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
You're only thirty three. Lineman normally played in in at
thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight. We saw Jackie Slater
play twenty years.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, he retired at forty plus, and we see Lineman especially.
I don't know your injury history. That's why, that's why
I'm going with this. Why walk away from the game
and all that chap out there? You see that money,
fact it is it's a lot of freshly printed money
out there, for.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Sure, it is.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Yes, indeed, I got a man, God bless me with
so many great moments and great years and a great career.
My injury history is extensive, it is, Yes, it is long,
and I've been through it. And that's really the part
for me is my body. You know, I love this game.
I mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game forever, you know,
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But it's just physically and I'm and I'm okay with
saying that that that my body is slowing down its
movements and abilities, that I just can't perform at the
same level. And I take so much pride in my film. Yeah, man,
it has to look a certain way, Like every time
I step on the field, that has to look pro bawl,
all pro like. That's stuff. That's the brand I wanted
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to leave. So that's just I never want to look
like I'm out there getting my getting whooped on. That
ain't that can't.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Happen, you know what.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
It takes a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
It takes a lot of awareness, self awareness at that
for a player of your caliber, or any player that's
played in the NFL that's played at a high level,
to understand when it's time to call the quits. Most
of the time we'd ride up, ride the car to
the wheels fall off, you know, with no regard for
you know what, I don't look the same.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
At what moment did you realize that, you.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Know what, I really don't have it to play at
all pro or Pro Bowl level anymore.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
But what moment did it hit you?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Yeah, I've been dealing with a knee since my third
year in the league, but it's been with me from
for my entire career. So man, just I'll speak on
this year alone. I didn't see a practice field like
at all, and not because I didn't want to or
the Dolphins just wanted me to rest. It's like I
literally couldn't walk, you know, I couldn't after a game
on Sunday. I wouldn't be able to walk on my own,
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you know, under my own power until Wednesday, Thursday. So
I was only able to play under under under the
pain is. I couldn't put any pressure on my knee.
So it was like I can't keep doing that to myself. Man.
We uh it comes down to.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Thirty three and you now you get to be forty
and all of a sudden you're like, man, what my
liver shutting down? My kid is and all the other
things from taking those pain medicines. Because I know I've
seen I've seen linemen have to take vikinging. Just the practice,
I get. I get the game. I get the game,
I really do, because you know, a that's once a week,
but the practice.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Oh hell yeah, yeah no, that's crazy, and that's what
that was the norm. For sure. I didn't. I didn't
want to fall in that cycle, right.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
But the thing is, Aszocho was saying, it takes a
space because to the to the lay person, they don't
they don't, they don't, they don't really see what you know.
And the thing is is that when you it's kind
of hard to let go and not practice because as
an offensive lineman sets for everything, whether you're gonna jump,
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say where you ate, and the thing is, you got
to practice that during the course of a week. It's
hard or an offensive lineman to just go out there
on a Sunday jump said quick said, hey stab whatever
the case may be, and just to go and you
going against the best of the best.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
You you said it, you said it. It's the reps
is especially for officeive line player. We yeah, so based
on technique and uh tim and and all the hand
placement and not not to mention the cohesiveness of everyone,
because you know, we're the only unit that never comes
off the field outside of the quarterback that's one person,
but we're the only unit that never comes off the field.
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So that chemistry and time and it just is really
tough not getting those practice reps and then preparing mentally
for Max Crosby and Miles Garrett and like that's not okay.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
You got with TJ. Watt.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
I'm not about to keep doing that man with no practice.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Like on man, because like you said, you talk about
your offense Tehran, you talk about your te excuse me,
you talk about your offensive lineman, and like, okay, they
get somebody else in there to practice it. But you
and that left guard, y'all need to be cohesive. Yeah,
need to like be on the same level and pass
it off. Because if you're on different levels, a guy
go hit that crack and now everybody's like, man, y'all
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hate judging, but see, you might be a little slow,
he might have been a little fast, and all of
a sudden you give up a sack when y'all should
have had that situation covered. I know, I look and
everybody doesn't do it the same because I remember practicing
with Gary Zimmerman, who the Who's the two decade All
Decade player in the eighties and the nineties.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
He went to the Hall of Fame, but he didn't
like me. He didn't like me the chip block. He
didn't like the chip He like, don't touch it.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, he said, if I, if I jumped said it,
and you hit him, You're gonna knock him inside, and
now I can't get him, and everybody go think I
got beat so don't touch it.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Yeah, that's a real thing, especially especially if you have
a big physical tight end like like yourself. So like
you hitting him too hard. He getting momentum, he getting
like a joke to the inside move you know what.
I got him to get out the way, go get.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Over Jonathan ja O. Now I played with j O
Jonathan Augda. Who's the first Battle of Hall of Famer.
He like, hey, knock him, knock him out if you
can't for me, independent on who it is man who exactly,
But like you said, certain offensive linemen they want some
I mean, hey, stick and stay or some guys like
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don't touch him. But like you said, that practice like
for an offensive lineman and seeing like like I said,
I've worked with Zam for like four years, work with
Jao for two years, and to see what they go
through because they're working on this sets, they ay they're kicking.
Am I gonna stab him? Am I gonna quick sit him?
Am I gonna jump set him? What am I gonna do?
And not in the game, man, I want to jump set,
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but that need bother you.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I can't, I can't see. I can't do what I want.
The mind say do that that, body say, brother.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
You do that?
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Say you can't do that. No, you can't do it
no more.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Hey.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
When it came to playing a left tackle position, I
think about my approach to playing receiver when it came
to DB's and studying each DV every week and understanding
what type of dB I'm going against. You got some
that are quick, some of that fast, some of the physical,
some of that you know, playoff or whatever may be.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
What was your approach when it came to playing defensive
ends each week?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
It was was your Was your approach different as far
as from from a technical standpoint? Do you change up
things you did depending on who you were playing that weeks?
Speaker 7 (36:36):
I've always said, show that it's a lot of parallels
to me, a lot of similarities between O line tackling,
tackling d N and receiver in corner like that that
one on one match up. It's a lot of dynamics
there that that's parallel to me. The technique that goes
into it, tendencies. Like you said, is he pressing. If
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I jab inside, what are you doing with his hands?
Same thing as I'm bringing the D defensive end. I'm
looking at their alignment first how wide is he getting?
And then it's get off you know, how well is
he time in the snap? Then I want to see
his home runs. What's what's his go to move that
he's consistently winning on. What's he's winning on the most?
I break that down. That's the one I want to
take away. I want to take that one away, and
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then all right, what's his second highest percentage move the count.
I'm taking those top two away throughout my career. That
was the goal, my objective of game planning. I want
to take them top two winners away. If you beat
me with a third, you you you're a bad man,
but you you're gonna have to get that. But for me,
I was taking those top two, top two moves away.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
And one of the things that I've always likes to
ask players that once they're done playing, who gave them
the most fits?
Speaker 7 (37:43):
For me?
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And everybody asked me all the time, Listen, you played
a very long time. You're going against them. I've always
had to deal with the number one dB and everyone asked,
you know who gave you fits? And obviously the one
person that say every time, yeah hell locked everybody else but.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Super strong about nobody else. But you you see how
you did that.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
He listen.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
He gave you fits, so you just want to give
them their flowers.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
You know, man, I had some battles. I had some
of these guys I say too many times like I didn't.
I didn't want to have these.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Rivalry going on.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
But you know that's how the schedule to go. I played.
Miles a Ton was always one of those. He's one
of those you got to make sure you breakfast like.
He's one of those for sure. But the guy that
gave me the most fits, and I've probably seen him
the most and he is still underrated in my eyes.
Robert Quinn, Robert that first table Quinn, he's been in
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that edge. He listened, Robert Quinn, he got He probably
got the most sack on me, like out of everybody's
He's the person that say I got to on t
Stad like. He he probably that one person that can
say that, right, Okay, that dude game he Yeah, they
want to see him post career. I don't want to
see him. We can't be friends nothing. I don't want
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to run into the robber corny.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It's really it's really like a dance because like they said,
they getting that white, they're getting that what they're getting
to that whe nine And now hey, you're like, Okay,
I know he's gonna come wide, but what if he
dropping bull me?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Okay, now he gonna hit.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Me, and then he's been inside, So I got I
got all that going into I gotta look at him.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Okay, what is he doing?
Speaker 6 (39:29):
Now?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I'm kicking. I can only kick so far because the
damn cornerback right there. Help I keep kicking. I'm gonna
be in this damn loud so I can all again
probably like to kicks.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
See and then I got.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
To say it and I gotta take Hey, I gotta
be I don't want him to get it. I don't
want him to bend the edge on me because like
you said, Miles can being but also I also don't
want him to wax on, wax off, been crossed my face.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
All that.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
We're trying to process all that, man, and they lined
it up in his wide nine. And these athletes are
only getting only getting bigger, faster, stronger, So it's man,
it's it's it's tough to deal with. Like Michaeh playing
Michael Parsons for the first time. It was Christmas Day.
We in Miami, Beautiful day. We smacked the cowboys that
ain't part of the story. But seeing Michael Parsons for
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the first time in real life.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
It was different.
Speaker 7 (40:19):
Bro, Like you are You're way too big to be
moving as fast. It can be that well, like, yeah,
it's just the athlete. The evolution of the athlete is
just it's becoming something something different.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Man.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Cool, I'm cool, y'all.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Especially watching, you know, playing against Derreck Thomas. But the
guy that I had the most respect for, I only
played Agains him for two years because I was in
Baltimore two years. I've never seen a guy his size
that quick.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
M m the freak man freak.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
The first time I played it, yeah, man, hey, I
turned amut saying, hey, y'all better throw it.
Speaker 7 (41:01):
He would gone look out blocked, dude.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
He took a step down because I had to step
so I stepped with him. Man, When by the time
I put my foot down, he was on my shoulder.
He gets to your he get to your shoulder and
you ain't extended. You might wo kiss the baby.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Hey you you saw the picture.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
I was I just saw Javon cursing the airport leaving
Philly day before yesterday.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Oh did you yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Man?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Oh he got that before he heard the ankles. Oh Joe, dude,
was I'm talking about you talking about somebody like he
was like.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Six four two fifty.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm talking about all I'm talking about five X gloves.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I mean his hands were like a ketcher.
Speaker 7 (41:44):
Man. Did did Kurse get in there? Did he get
into the hall?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Nah?
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (41:50):
He uh he would?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean tense. He was at Tennessee, his best us
at Tennessee. He moved to Philly and then he had
he messed up his ankle, he messed up his years.
But hey, back in the day, you know, dealing with
DT Bruce Smith was fast too. Bruce could be in
For a guy his size. Normally guys to seventy they
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can't be in like that. Bruce be parallel to the ground.
That movement you see Jared that you see a von
Miller do where he dip under and come down on
one hand and get back up.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Bruce could do that at two seventy.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
So hey, that's why you guys make the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
That's why you guys high paid on the offensive line,
because you guys got the toughest assignment because you're dealing
with Like I said, basically, it's like Ginger Robins and Fredistering.
He's coming forward, but you got a mirror what he
does moving backwards. And the thing is, you got a
target that's sitting right there, whether and basically everybody in
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the shotgun now, so you can only set so far
before he sits ass in the quarterback lap.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Or you reach over the top of you and listen, Yo,
we need some more money, man, oh lord, we need
some more. We need some more that money.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
We need
Ricky, we got something you know you're from, Well, you're
from San Diego. Where do you live now? You are
you back in San Diego? You in Texas or in Miami.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'll live in Northern California.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You live in Northern California. Now yeah, okay, well we
got something that you might can help us out on.
You recently spoke at legislation Texas. They're trying to ban
marijuana products. I guess his products will have the THC
in it, correct.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's I mean, yes, it's not. It's not supposed to.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
But and that's why it's the issue is that, Okay,
pretty much you can go to a guas station in
Texas and get THC.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well damn, and they try so they don't. Like in California,
you have these like these specialty shops. You have cannabis
shops that you go into and you can buy you know,
obviously you can buy I don't know, Graham or whatever
the case may be.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I mean, you can probably speak to that a little
better than I can.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But so what they are they trying to like take
it completely out or they're trying to get like restricted
where you have to go to a specific place and
not just your arbitrary gas station.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's both, but it's a little extreme.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
They're trying to ban it one hundred percent, and they're
gonna they say they're gonna open up the medical program.
And I think it's a good idea to open up
the medical program, but I think it's a little it's
a little too much to say to ban it one
hundred percent. It doesn't need to be regulated more, but
not banned.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
But you do realize that when like when they open
it up for medical purposes, or so they say, medicinal purposes,
you know, only a select group of people get those licenses, right,
you know that, you know it's you know what we
have been inconcrated for for two, five, ten, fifteen years.
Now we got you know, we're selling a little nickelbago
with your little grab little whatever the.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Case you be.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Woo woo.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Now they get a license and they get to capitalize
on it and make millions and millions and millions of dollars.
And then we get cut out of like, hey, wen,
spend time in jail for that.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Real Yeah, it's real, it's real.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
And then then the funny thing about it is they
don't allow things to pass so they don't allow they
don't legalize things until they're able to monetize on it.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, once they find they cattach you on it.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
But that that's that's exactly how it is.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
And obviously you understand the other aspect, the of the
dynamic of of certain people obviously of color, who have
used it as a way of survival, as a means
to provide Uh, they've been locked up, you know for years,
and we understand how that goes. It's always it's always
a double sided sword in the sense. But hopefully those
that are able to use it for medicinal purposes and
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everyone is given the opportunity to get those licenses when
the time comes.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, I mean, speaking of what you're talking about, Chad,
there are a lot of people in prison still that
shouldn't be in prison. Yes, but also in most states
because when when the movement first started, most of the
people were liberal. So when the movement first started, they
made sure in a lot of legislations that people who
have been incarcerated or felonies have easier access they can.
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If you've been incarcerated for cannabis non violent cannabis related defense,
in a lot of states, you have easier actions.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You can get access to a license.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Okay, that's nice, that's cool.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Okay it is.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But the issue is most of those people can't afford
for don't have the expertise to be able to do
anything with those licenses.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Right. So yeah, so it don't really work.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I was talking to someone and they say, look, when
we get when we get a license, us people that
look like me, you are ricky, don't be selling your
homeboy pound. Do what you do to goud like do
the guy, Oh Joe, I'm talking to somebody that's kind
of in that business, and to keep the business above
the board. When your homeboy come, don't sell him a pound.
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Selling what you're supposed to sell. Keep it above the board.
So you get to keep your license. I know your homebok.
Come on, bro, Ain't nobody gonna know? Yes, they gonna know,
because as soon as you get jammed up, do what
you're gonna say, oh Joe, to keep yourself from getting
ten to fifteen, you're gonna die your partner out. He
gonna lose his license, They gonna shut him down. So
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if we were, if we're fortunate enough to be in
those positions, let's just do right a, keep it, keep
that money flow going, because like you said, that's.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
A cash that's a cash business, big one.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
And it's just like alcohol prohibition.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
They read bootleg moon shine and all that stuff, and
they said, hold on, we keep busting. Let's just ay
let them make it and let's tax their ass on it.
The same thing with cigarettes. Let's tax them. We could
get some Oh this is a little billion and billion
and billion dollar business. Instead of hired all these people
to try to bust the steals and cut the trees down.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
We can monetize it and wants anybody.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Look, once someone find they can make some money off it,
they're gonna make money off it. It's really it's really
that simple. And uh but I'm glad you look Rick.
Let me ask you this had at the laws and
the way people look at because when I was, when
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I was younger and growing up and in the league,
marijuana with a stigma, with a stigma, people frowned to
put it.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And it's not nearly that.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I mean, now, hey, you Califoi, they walk around, they'd
be smoking it outside.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
It ain't nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
How different do you think your career would have been
had you been allowed to you know, you know, partake, you.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Know, I think it would have been a lot different
because just you know, off the field, just all the
trouble I was in all the time, and and it
hits some of my reputation at the time. It was
so stressful that I'm sure if I, if things were
going better and I was allowed to be myself, that
I would have been able to perform at.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Even a higher level. No pun intended, but no.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
But seriously, right, because I think we only have so
much energy, and when things are stressing, the sound, that's
energy that's being wasted that could be going to something different.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Right, I mean you look, California has always been very
very liberal, very open minded. I mean you go to
the Bay and the hippies and the yuppies and it
had woodstock and all that other stuff going on. Do
you think your upbringing do you think where you was,
where you was raised at played a role in you
being so you know open it and partaking and in marijuana?
(06:24):
And did you smoke in high school? Did you smoke
in college? When did this your your love infatuation or
whatever the case you mightn't want to call it. When
did when did your love? But when did you first
partaking in marijuana.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
The first time I was it was in high school,
but I wasn't. I wasn't a smoker. I don't really
look on the smoker until I got into the league
because it was stigmatizing. You know, I was an athlete
and like growing up, the one thing that ever my grandma,
everybody said, right, don't throw it away for drugs.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So you know, I tried. I listened. I tried to listen.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So no, but it wasn't until it wasn't until later.
And I definitely thing when I was thirteen. My mom,
my stepdad was was a roster and so he would
smoke every night. It just was part of his routine.
And my my auntie, she had a she had a
tree in her in her kitchen, so it was around me.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So I was. I was desensitized to it.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Like you know, I think if people aren't around it
and they just hear the stigma, that's all they have
to go on.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So I was around it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And the people that I did said, my stepdad and
my auntie were people I probably liked the most in
the whole world, and and they smoked. So but I
get I wasn't partaking when I was young, but I
was open to it. I wasn't against it, I wasn't
anti right.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm really curious you say you
hadn't smoked when you I mean, obviously, most of the
time when it comes to people having certain habits, it
come from their surroundings and upbrings. But the fact that you,
you know, had the discipline not to be interested in
it why you were while you were young. But once
you got to the NFL. Did you use it in
an NFL because of injuries? Because of stress?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I mean it was stressed.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I think the reason I had and you use it
up until that point because life was like, was good.
I wasn't really stressed about anything, you know, I didn't.
I didn't need it, and I got to the point
where things got really stressful and I realized that this
helped me because you know, everybody knows I'm a shy person,
I'm an introverted person, and something about smoking, I just
(08:23):
get to be with myself, right, and I feel like
I get energy.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I get energy from that and it helps me.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Well in the situation.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Rick, I think the thing is you said, uh, the
expectations and we go get into this where Mike Dicker
gave up his entire draft class to select you.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You know, that had never been done in the history
of sports.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean basically, that was Aesop giving his kingdom away
for a horse, and the expectations that came along. Now
you're supposed to be the greatest NFL running back because
you look at all the running backs Jim Brown and
Barry Sanders and Emtt Smith and Dickerson, all those guys
they got slotted. The man gave up his entire class
to select you. So now that comes along. I mean,
(09:02):
you were a Hedgman Trophy winning running back. You had
the most rushing yards in college history. So now I'm
a Heisman Trophy winner. I got the most rushing yards.
A guy just gave up an entire draft class for me.
That's a lot of expectations on the running back. Did
that play any role?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Honestly, if I'm being really you can call me.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'm grateful, but I don't think I even got to
the point of realizing the expectations because I was so
disappointed that I slid to the number five spot.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh okay, wow, okay, So I was like I was
in a shot. I mean, after that I don't even
remember what happened. I don't remember. I don't even.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Remember how because just what you said, you know, to me,
I thought I had I had made the case, and
not even to be the best in the future, but
that I was the best at least I had the
potential to be the best because of the track my
track record. So I thought I should have been the
first pick, and I wasn't. And the engineer was picked
number four. What Hall of Fame career. But I wasn't
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even the first running back pick. So so I mean again,
I remember sitting there and I was spinning, and I
remember saying them saying something about pigs or something something,
you know, Mike dick Us, I'm with a cigar.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And then and then I was on an airplane headed
to New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Did you get hot? Did you get hot at night?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I wasn't smoking.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Then you were smoking there, so you did?
Speaker 7 (10:25):
You?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So you did just start smoking till you got to
what Miami?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I started smoking in New Orleans?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Started smoking my second year, my second year in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Did you have any what was it injury related? I mean,
you're talking about your You're an introverted person. I mean
I would uh, I think I remember, uh, you was
talking and you always had your face map, you had
your helmet on, and you had the dark shield, and
you know, everybody was like, damn, what's what's going on, Ricky?
Seems like you know, this is what they were saying.
They said, Man, I'm a dude, weird man who gives
(10:57):
an interview with the helmet on. We can't see as eye.
We don't know what he's thinking. You know, people would
like for you to make eye contact. And you were
like and up, like, wow, okay, this is this is different.
But hey, each of all and the man did win
a Heisman. He was you know, uh won all these
awards the dope walker.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
So hey, it's.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Hard to argue the man has had success doing it
that way.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's not the same though.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I mean, my time in college and my time in
the NFL were completely different. And basically it was just
the people's orientation towards me. Okay, you know, because as
a sensitive person, that's what it means. It means I
need to be around people that feel me, because if
I'm around people that don't feel me, then it's hard
for me to feel myself. And so I would around
people that didn't feel me. The only when I could
(11:41):
feel myself was I go home with my homeisus right,
smoke a little bit and get on the game, just
to relax, just to give it, just to again recharge
so I could get up and go do it again.
Being on the field. I love being on the field. Nothing,
nothing better, nothing to me. There was no better feeling
in the whole wide world. And I'm talking about practice.
There was no better feeling in the whole world for
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me than to be on that football field.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Nothing. And that's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But all the other stuff it just made it almost
to the point where it wasn't worth it. And so
I realized that if I wasn't like smoking, connecting, I
would have gave it up the game.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Mm And you know, you know it's funny and Rick,
when I when I think about it, as as great
as you were in college, as great as you were
in the NFL, just imagine if they were a little
bit more lenient with the rules and allowing you to smoke.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Let's say, for medicinal purposes.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
You know, if it's something that you have in an issue,
and you if it makes you feel a little bit
more comfortable and and and being able to operate and
do your job on a day to day basis you
who knows what you what you could have done because
you were smoking weed and doing damage and running like crazy.
So I could just imagine, do you ever sit back
and think about and have regrets in the way things
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turned out or went And if you could, if you
could rewind the time and do it all over again,
would you make a different choice?
Speaker 6 (13:01):
As far as smoking and concern, you.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Know, I think about this a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And the thing I think about more is the people,
the players, the guys now in the league who, because things.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Have changed, who can, yes, who can?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's not so much pressure And I feel like I
had something to do with opening that door, And to me,
that makes that makes all of it worth it. And
as far as regrets, I can say this now because
I've lived and I had.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I'm living now.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Is I wish that I would have taken more of
an advocacy role at the time?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Is you know? Because what you're saying is true. I
mean that's real. I wasn't hurting anybody.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I was just taking care of myself so I could
go deliver the product that they that they were expecting
me to deliver, and I and I did. I mean
when I got to Miami and I got into my groove,
you know, I let the league in Russia, the All
Pro and so I think, to me, the league, we
go out there and put our bodies, in our minds
and our hearts on the line, and they should give
(14:02):
us all reasonable means to be able to take care
of ourselves to be able to do that. And I
wish I would have been courageous enough at the time
to say that publicly, because why other people believe believe
it or not. Once you say something publicly and people
are hearing it, it starts the conversation. And I think,
and that's what I've seen. The biggest effect I've had
is people can talk about this now and I'm in
(14:24):
the right. They almost expected to talk about it when
I'm in the room, so's it makes it easier.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I think the thing is Ricky is that like it
was a stigma, and the more people started to talk
about it and you started to have more prominent people,
you started to have people like yourself, and you have
some of the Hollywood elites start talking about it, and
the medicinal purposes that it have. And it said, and
you know, I've heard people that talk about, oh, you
got no problem giving these guys shots. You got the
problem giving these guy painkillers, getting them addicted to something.
(14:53):
And then when they lead the league, they still need
that and they can't get that and they're crashing out.
Why can't you allow them to smoke marijuana, calmed them down,
take the pain away, Because at the end of the day,
they're trying this is a gladiator sport. This is not
a contact sport. This is a collision sport. There are
no winners. There are only survivors in this game. And
so if you're going to, hey, take this biking, and
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take this purposet, take this, take this toward all, take
this and that, and and and all these anti inflammatories,
which is more which is more dangerous to the body,
which is more harmful to the body, which is called
the more harm in breaking the body down even more
than this, Why not have a conversation. And I think
the NFL they did open their mind. They started doing
(15:38):
a little bit of their own research because obviously, you know,
they don't want to make sure, they don't want to
get sued down the line. They started doing some research
and I think they came to the conclusion that you
and many many in your in your area, Rick had
already known.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, it takes time. So I feel like I was
a pioneer and I'm being rewarded for.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It now, so it feels like it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But see, Ricked, I don't know, man, you might have
been smoking that scun you might have been on that
that khalif a cush you had been, you owe that
boat to you.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
If you'd have had that on home, Bro, they had
have never showed up for your system. You could have
just been.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Seahawks rookie DT Fyron Murphy the second took his teammates
out for dinner and was pranked with a fake dinner
bill of one hundred and fifty five thousand. The reaction
was priceless. His actual dinner bill wasn't much better.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
It was thirty eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
O Joe, did y'all ever prank the rooks?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (16:41):
I had.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I mean as when I was a veteran, I didn't.
I didn't make the rookies do do rookie night.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Now when I was a rookie.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I'll never forget Peter Ward darnee Scott Ron Dugan's Danny
Farmer was there at the time. Uh TJ. Now, I
had to pay for Ricky dinner that night. I can't
remember what the price was, but it was it was.
It was a little hefty for thirty eight thousand. Thinking
about that, that ain't much. That ain't much when you
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look at some of the linemen when the lineman go
go out. Man, I've seen some of those, some of
those receipts when the boys go out.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
But it'd be expensive.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Well, you start ordering, you start ordering that King lou
You get ordered that King Louis. They do it on
five hundred one thousand dollars a shot. They do it
in like fifteen shots of that, and then they're gonna
order that bigger. They're gonna order a bottle of wine
to end up costing like ten grand. You getting the bigger,
you get the lobster. You know, they bring the lobster
round on the wagon, and the lobster this big y'all, y'all,
(17:42):
I know, y'all seen it. They bring the lobster round
in the wagon.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
He thinks he's going for a ride. Little know.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Hey, hey, they don't be playing, boy, they don't be
playing look uh Porters and actually lit Lee their rookie
night out.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
We hit them for about twenty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You know, me, I had to have a little I
had a limo, you know, because I didn't want nobody
because they're gonna go other places. I had a relationship,
y'all not gonna get me broken up in the middle
of Seatson. I know, Oh Joe, I know, I know
(18:31):
my limitations. I ain't fooling with y'all. Same thing I
tell my homeboys when they come, you know, ay, Searp,
come on, let's go out. No bro, no no, no,
no, no no no, You're not gonna mess with my home
and leave right No, absolutely not. I get some of
my tea. A hey, bro, you're going out? Yeah, man,
Hey my homeboys in town, man, Sep. You know we
got them.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Hey, right there you go. You're good.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah. But other than that or yo, yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Now listen, if you're a rookie and you're now you
your rookie and you a first round pick, man, listen.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Oh we wrecky because of growth coming because I got
a limbo. I got a limbo because I got a
limbo by myself. Dadd's still a limbo for me because
I wasn't going out with them, oh yall, I wasn't
going out with him afterwards. So I needed a limo
that was gonna take me back because I would hey, no, no, no, no,
I'm going home. So but you know, back then, I
think you had to get a limo for like for
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like five six hours, seven hours.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
It was probably like one hundred dollars an hour. It
wasn't no nothing, no swat like that.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
But uh, the only thing I made sure of, O yo,
I wouldn't let you get stuff to take home. I
don't care if your mom, I don't care if your dad,
I don't care if anything. You're not getting stuff. No, no, no,
I'm not gonna no no, no, no no. We're not
gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Us US US US.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
So that was. That was like twenty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, you know we you know the guy order
King Lord, that order, you know, like a fifteenth protruce by.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You know, Wine or roth Child whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They get a couple of bottles that I said, bro y'all,
and you know they gotta get they gotta get the
most expensive steak. They gotta get the lobster, they gotta
get the everything. So it it didn't cost the I mean,
twenty two thousand wasn't that wasn't that much. But oh
yeah you're gonna pay. Somebody said, oh I wouldn't pay.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Oh yeah you would. Oh we're gonna take it out
of check. You gonna pay. We are not going to
allow you.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
A tradition that's been handed down the first round draft
pick uh second right now. A lot of time we
let them, y'all, y'all pull together a lot of times
the first round that had to pay. Donner for himself.
I remember to hit my brother, but I think they
hit my brother for like twelve thirteen grand. But the
thing is is that you gotta do that. If you're
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a rookie. You've got to bring donuts, you got to
bring breakfast sandwiches, You've got to bring food to the plane.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I did it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You'll know how many times I'm hus the bustling, I'm
dressed like Jeff throw modein tie, hang it all up,
paying by.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
The fall up.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Man, Man, don't yo, man o't Joe, cause I gotta go, man,
did you he won't Kentucky Fried chicken.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
He won't Popeyes, he won't this. I gotta go all
the pride of place.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Man.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Hell no, That's why I was like, I gotta make
the team. All this they got me doing, I would
have miss somebody.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Doing this issue me please oh man, hell nah.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But uh, we did all that rookie singing, Oh Joe,
I wasn't bigger than I went big into the hazen.
We make rookie sing uh. You know, we might steal
their car and drive that off or something like that.
But all that, I ain't cutting nobody hair because the
ain't nobody cutting my hair because it's really been it's
been cut my hair. There's gonna be a problem. So
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we're not gonna do that. And so I would. We
didn't cut anybody here. You know, at Baltimore, we take
the rookies to the gold Post.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
That was Yeah, that was hard.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Put him in the cold to put.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Him in the coldtel. Yeah, we tapped table him up
and put him in the cold tel. Stuff like that
on yo. But mainly we make him singing not your alma.
I don't want to hear about your fight song. I
don't want to hear about your album.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Model. You gotta sing some Luther Van draws Barry White.
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sing hey whatever, you know the words to.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Other than your damn fight song.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So uh but yeah, but that was that was a yeah,
that was back in the day. That was back in Yeah,
we used to steal people cars and stuff like that.
It's funny because the past the time, it's like grown
men and what we behaved like eight seven to eight
year old little kids.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Uh Alma.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Rod Saint Brown thinks the NFL should make a rude change.
Let's take a listen to the change he recommends.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Okay, then will should be changed. You should obviously make
your playoffs spot.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But having a fourteen win team having to go on
the road is kind of crazy.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
But I guess you know, I don't make the rope.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So okay, now we're not gonna change the rule because
y'all might lose the game and be a fourteen and win.
A fourteen win team to go on the road. That
is how we do it, right, It's been like that,
o yo.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
So well, listen, they're going to they going to Minnesota, right,
they play Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Talk with them, Oh, Minnesota comes to them.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, so they already beat Minnesota on the walk up
they kicked the field goal.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Yeah, but what is he complaining about then.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Because they might lose be fourteen to oh and they
have to start the season on the road.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Yeah, listen, that's that's nothing you should even worry about,
especially that god damn high powered offense. There should be
nothing you worried about whether you're playing home or whether
you're playing home. Of the way, I understand the advantage
that play that teams have playing at home, but mentioning
the way the way y'all rock and offensively right now,
I wouldn't care if we was playing in the Sahara
Desert as long as Dan cambell is my coach, and
(23:57):
he got that wheel barrow with him Cajonnas he carried
him every time he's coaching.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I'm not tripping.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I am not tripping.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah he uh.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So, I don't agree. I think we're not both. We
don't agree because the rules are the rule. We're not
going to change the rule because we have an anomally
how many times the fourteen win team has had to
start on the road, so so one time it happened.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
In the.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
One hundred plus year history. Now we're gonna make a rule.
So what Noah, We're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It was it was a great suggestion.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, but the team, you know, and and how y'all
are playing on the road and at home, it really
don't matter.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
What he's saying, though, o Jo, is that if we
have a better record than a division winner, we should
be at.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Home and they should have to go on the road.
They won a division.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
That's the reward you get for winning the division is
that you get to play at least one.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Game at home. Yeah, I see what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
In the twenty thirteen Combine, Tehran recorded the fastest forty
for an offensive lineman in Combine history, a record that
still stands to this day.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
It was close.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Lane Johnson ran four seven two, but Toront's record of
four to seven one is close. And if I'm not mistaken,
they are the only two offensive linemens that's run in
the four sevens. They've been a couple of runs low
four eights, but no other lineman other than Tehran at
four seven one Lane Johnson at four seven two have
been in the offensive lineman have been in the four seventh.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
So as of yet.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So now we're thirteen years in counting twenty thirteen to
twenty fifteen, and Toront still helds that record. Toron, Look,
you're coming out of Arkansas Pine Bluff, and it's not
like it used to be. There used to be a
plethora of guys coming out of HBCUs and so that
would have been nothing.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But here it is.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Now we're in the twenty tens and we get an
offensive linean your three times swack All Conference player, and
you go through the Combine. What were your expectations? Did
you know you had this kount of ability in you?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. I knew I had the
talent and the speed and agility to showcase. I just
had to get to the showcase. So it was really
huge for me to get that Combine invite that was
that was monumental for me trying to get more exposure,
to get more eyes to my tape. So I knew
that I was going to go. I was going for
the record for sure, Like before I even before we
(26:29):
got to Indy, I was going for the record. I
wanted to run faster honestly than that. But I'll take
the four seven.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Four three on five. That's moving now.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Listen that's what I would get ready to ask you.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I would get to ask you how.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Tall you were and how much you weighed to be
able to run that. Listen, I ain't running but four
five so technically, but you right there with.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Me, right there on your neck. Yeah, I was six
six five, three oh six, I believe three or four
at the combine.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Wow, so you knew, you knew? So what was if
I'm not, I don't know what the record was? What
was the record? What was the fastest forty time for
an offensive lineman before you broke it? It was four
a four, four a four. While you didn't break it,
you're obliterated.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
It needed it. I needed it. I needed all that.
I needed that that my moment.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I was on.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
NFL network dot com, NFL dot com for like two hours.
I needed all of it. So the scouts can go
watch my film.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Okay, So now you go run that forty yard dash type.
You run four seven one, and that's really the order.
Yeah they want you to jump high, Yeah they want
you to do too, but speed is what captivates their attention.
Now you're an offensive lineman. You never gonna be able
to unwind that four seven one again but you just
wanted to put that on tape to let them see,
look you got a phenomenal athlete. Yes, I went to
(27:46):
Arkansas Pine Bluff. Yeah, I know you're gonna downgrade me
talking about who did I blog and who did I
play against? But I'm gonna come and showcase my skills
and let you see and then the chips fall where
they may. So when you ran that time, did you know, like, okay,
I got their undivided attention.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I'm about to get drafted.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Oh yeah, no, for sure. We have special talents down
there in these HBCUs all across the country. We do.
So I just needed the opportunity to showcase my skill.
I knew what time it was. I was going for
the vertical record too. I missed that by half an inch,
so like I knew that I was going to be
able to make that splash. And like I say again,
I needed it. I really needed that chance to get
(28:23):
all the scouts just to watch my film. I wouldn't
ask you for no favorites, but just check out the
film and see the dominance.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Now, also when I look at the officer line position,
as fast as you were, you know, as far as
running the forty. Did you have an advantage as far
as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive
line as well, because most of the time, obviously, you know,
playing officer line is all about your hand placement and
your footwork, you know what, we always being being balanced
for sure.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Did that give you the advantage?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:52):
No. My letter says to my agility that those were
my strengths when I played throughout my twelve year career
because I put six or five three ERD before. Not
the biggest tackle, not not necessarily the strongest either, but
I'm on your ass soon as the boss, you know
what I mean, A lot of a lot of jump sets.
I had to use that in my game, so, uh,
finding ways to play in my strength and I was
(29:13):
using my speed.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Were you always an offensive lineman cuts out?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I mean, with that kind of fast twitch, you might
have been a you might have been a tight end
at some point in time in your career.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Were you always an offensive lineman?
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Well, back in my hometown Cooki, Illinois, we were no
off of speed. That's what we do. We run, So
I was a defensive lineman off of lima. But I
would to go play seven on seven with the guys
corner safety receiving. Really yeah, it really was like that,
really like that. I can't do that shit no more.
But I can't move like that no MOREL took.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
You mentioned you see, so you were thirty four, thirty
four right.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Now thirty five thirty three, thirty three run you walk
away from the game.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
You're only thirty three. Lineman normally played in in at
thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight. We saw Jackie Slater
play twenty years.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, he retired at forty plus, and we see Lineman especially.
I don't know your injury history. That's why, that's why
I'm going with this. Why walk away from the game
and all that chap out there? You see that money,
fact it is it's a lot of freshly printed money
out there, for.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Sure, it is.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Yes, indeed, I got a man, God bless me with
so many great moments and great years and a great career.
My injury history is extensive, it is, Yes, it is long,
and I've been through it. And that's really the part
for me is my body. You know, I love this game.
I mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game forever, you know,
(30:39):
But it's just physically and I'm and I'm okay with
saying that that that my body is slowing down its
movements and abilities, that I just can't perform at the
same level. And I take so much pride in my film. Yeah, man,
it has to look a certain way, Like every time
I step on the field, that has to look pro bawl,
all pro like. That's stuff. That's the brand I wanted
(31:00):
to leave. So that's just I never want to look
like I'm out there getting my getting whooped on. That
ain't that can't.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Happen, you know what.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
It takes a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
It takes a lot of awareness, self awareness at that
for a player of your caliber, or any player that's
played in the NFL that's played at a high level,
to understand when it's time to call the quits. Most
of the time we'd ride up, ride the car to
the wheels fall off, you know, with no regard for
you know what, I don't look the same.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
At what moment did you realize that, you.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Know what, I really don't have it to play at
all pro or Pro Bowl level anymore.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
But what moment did it hit you?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Yeah, I've been dealing with a knee since my third
year in the league, but it's been with me from
for my entire career. So man, just I'll speak on
this year alone. I didn't see a practice field like
at all, and not because I didn't want to or
the Dolphins just wanted me to rest. It's like I
literally couldn't walk, you know, I couldn't after a game
on Sunday. I wouldn't be able to walk on my own,
(31:57):
you know, under my own power until Wednesday, Thursday. So
I was only able to play under under under the
pain is. I couldn't put any pressure on my knee.
So it was like I can't keep doing that to myself. Man.
We uh it comes down to.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Thirty three and you now you get to be forty
and all of a sudden you're like, man, what my
liver shutting down? My kid is and all the other
things from taking those pain medicines. Because I know I've
seen I've seen linemen have to take vikinging. Just the practice,
I get. I get the game. I get the game,
I really do, because you know, a that's once a week,
but the practice.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Oh hell yeah, yeah no, that's crazy, and that's what
that was the norm. For sure. I didn't. I didn't
want to fall in that cycle, right.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
But the thing is, Aszocho was saying, it takes a
space because to the to the lay person, they don't
they don't, they don't, they don't really see what you know.
And the thing is is that when you it's kind
of hard to let go and not practice because as
an offensive lineman sets for everything, whether you're gonna jump,
(32:58):
say where you ate, and the thing is, you got
to practice that during the course of a week. It's
hard or an offensive lineman to just go out there
on a Sunday jump said quick said, hey stab whatever
the case may be, and just to go and you
going against the best of the best.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
You you said it, you said it. It's the reps
is especially for officeive line player. We yeah, so based
on technique and uh tim and and all the hand
placement and not not to mention the cohesiveness of everyone,
because you know, we're the only unit that never comes
off the field outside of the quarterback that's one person,
but we're the only unit that never comes off the field.
(33:40):
So that chemistry and time and it just is really
tough not getting those practice reps and then preparing mentally
for Max Crosby and Miles Garrett and like that's not okay.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
You got with TJ. Watt.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
I'm not about to keep doing that man with no practice.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Like on man, because like you said, you talk about
your offense Tehran, you talk about your te excuse me,
you talk about your offensive lineman, and like, okay, they
get somebody else in there to practice it. But you
and that left guard, y'all need to be cohesive. Yeah,
need to like be on the same level and pass
it off. Because if you're on different levels, a guy
go hit that crack and now everybody's like, man, y'all
(34:21):
hate judging, but see, you might be a little slow,
he might have been a little fast, and all of
a sudden you give up a sack when y'all should
have had that situation covered. I know, I look and
everybody doesn't do it the same because I remember practicing
with Gary Zimmerman, who the Who's the two decade All
Decade player in the eighties and the nineties.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
He went to the Hall of Fame, but he didn't
like me. He didn't like me the chip block. He
didn't like the chip He like, don't touch it.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, he said, if I, if I jumped said it,
and you hit him, You're gonna knock him inside, and
now I can't get him, and everybody go think I
got beat so don't touch it.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Yeah, that's a real thing, especially especially if you have
a big physical tight end like like yourself. So like
you hitting him too hard. He getting momentum, he getting
like a joke to the inside move you know what.
I got him to get out the way, go get.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Over Jonathan ja O. Now I played with j O
Jonathan Augda. Who's the first Battle of Hall of Famer.
He like, hey, knock him, knock him out if you
can't for me, independent on who it is man who exactly,
But like you said, certain offensive linemen they want some
I mean, hey, stick and stay or some guys like
(35:33):
don't touch him. But like you said, that practice like
for an offensive lineman and seeing like like I said,
I've worked with Zam for like four years, work with
Jao for two years, and to see what they go
through because they're working on this sets, they ay they're kicking.
Am I gonna stab him? Am I gonna quick sit him?
Am I gonna jump set him? What am I gonna do?
And not in the game, man, I want to jump set,
(35:54):
but that need bother you.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I can't, I can't see. I can't do what I want.
The mind say do that that, body say, brother.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
You do that?
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Say you can't do that. No, you can't do it
no more.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Hey.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
When it came to playing a left tackle position, I
think about my approach to playing receiver when it came
to DB's and studying each DV every week and understanding
what type of dB I'm going against. You got some
that are quick, some of that fast, some of the physical,
some of that you know, playoff or whatever may be.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
What was your approach when it came to playing defensive
ends each week?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
It was was your Was your approach different as far
as from from a technical standpoint? Do you change up
things you did depending on who you were playing that weeks?
Speaker 7 (36:36):
I've always said, show that it's a lot of parallels
to me, a lot of similarities between O line tackling,
tackling d N and receiver in corner like that that
one on one match up. It's a lot of dynamics
there that that's parallel to me. The technique that goes
into it, tendencies. Like you said, is he pressing. If
(36:56):
I jab inside, what are you doing with his hands?
Same thing as I'm bringing the D defensive end. I'm
looking at their alignment first how wide is he getting?
And then it's get off you know, how well is
he time in the snap? Then I want to see
his home runs. What's what's his go to move that
he's consistently winning on. What's he's winning on the most?
I break that down. That's the one I want to
take away. I want to take that one away, and
(37:17):
then all right, what's his second highest percentage move the count.
I'm taking those top two away throughout my career. That
was the goal, my objective of game planning. I want
to take them top two winners away. If you beat
me with a third, you you you're a bad man,
but you you're gonna have to get that. But for me,
I was taking those top two, top two moves away.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
And one of the things that I've always likes to
ask players that once they're done playing, who gave them
the most fits?
Speaker 7 (37:43):
For me?
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And everybody asked me all the time, Listen, you played
a very long time. You're going against them. I've always
had to deal with the number one dB and everyone asked,
you know who gave you fits? And obviously the one
person that say every time, yeah hell locked everybody else but.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Super strong about nobody else. But you you see how
you did that.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
He listen.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
He gave you fits, so you just want to give
them their flowers.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
You know, man, I had some battles. I had some
of these guys I say too many times like I didn't.
I didn't want to have these.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Rivalry going on.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
But you know that's how the schedule to go. I played.
Miles a Ton was always one of those. He's one
of those you got to make sure you breakfast like.
He's one of those for sure. But the guy that
gave me the most fits, and I've probably seen him
the most and he is still underrated in my eyes.
Robert Quinn, Robert that first table Quinn, he's been in
(38:45):
that edge. He listened, Robert Quinn, he got He probably
got the most sack on me, like out of everybody's
He's the person that say I got to on t
Stad like. He he probably that one person that can
say that, right, Okay, that dude game he Yeah, they
want to see him post career. I don't want to
see him. We can't be friends nothing. I don't want
(39:06):
to run into the robber corny.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It's really it's really like a dance because like they said,
they getting that white, they're getting that what they're getting
to that whe nine And now hey, you're like, Okay,
I know he's gonna come wide, but what if he
dropping bull me?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Okay, now he gonna hit.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Me, and then he's been inside, So I got I
got all that going into I gotta look at him.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Okay, what is he doing?
Speaker 6 (39:29):
Now?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I'm kicking. I can only kick so far because the
damn cornerback right there. Help I keep kicking. I'm gonna
be in this damn loud so I can all again
probably like to kicks.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
See and then I got.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
To say it and I gotta take Hey, I gotta
be I don't want him to get it. I don't
want him to bend the edge on me because like
you said, Miles can being but also I also don't
want him to wax on, wax off, been crossed my face.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
All that.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
We're trying to process all that, man, and they lined
it up in his wide nine. And these athletes are
only getting only getting bigger, faster, stronger, So it's man,
it's it's it's tough to deal with. Like Michaeh playing
Michael Parsons for the first time. It was Christmas Day.
We in Miami, Beautiful day. We smacked the cowboys that
ain't part of the story. But seeing Michael Parsons for
(40:16):
the first time in real life.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
It was different.
Speaker 7 (40:19):
Bro, Like you are You're way too big to be
moving as fast. It can be that well, like, yeah,
it's just the athlete. The evolution of the athlete is
just it's becoming something something different.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Man.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Cool, I'm cool, y'all.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Especially watching, you know, playing against Derreck Thomas. But the
guy that I had the most respect for, I only
played Agains him for two years because I was in
Baltimore two years. I've never seen a guy his size
that quick.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
M m the freak man freak.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
The first time I played it, yeah, man, hey, I
turned amut saying, hey, y'all better throw it.
Speaker 7 (41:01):
He would gone look out blocked, dude.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
He took a step down because I had to step
so I stepped with him. Man, When by the time
I put my foot down, he was on my shoulder.
He gets to your he get to your shoulder and
you ain't extended. You might wo kiss the baby.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Hey you you saw the picture.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
I was I just saw Javon cursing the airport leaving
Philly day before yesterday.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Oh did you yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Man?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Oh he got that before he heard the ankles. Oh Joe, dude,
was I'm talking about you talking about somebody like he
was like.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Six four two fifty.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm talking about all I'm talking about five X gloves.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I mean his hands were like a ketcher.
Speaker 7 (41:44):
Man. Did did Kurse get in there? Did he get
into the hall?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Nah?
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (41:50):
He uh he would?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean tense. He was at Tennessee, his best us
at Tennessee. He moved to Philly and then he had
he messed up his ankle, he messed up his years.
But hey, back in the day, you know, dealing with
DT Bruce Smith was fast too. Bruce could be in
For a guy his size. Normally guys to seventy they
(42:12):
can't be in like that. Bruce be parallel to the ground.
That movement you see Jared that you see a von
Miller do where he dip under and come down on
one hand and get back up.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Bruce could do that at two seventy.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
So hey, that's why you guys make the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
That's why you guys high paid on the offensive line,
because you guys got the toughest assignment because you're dealing
with Like I said, basically, it's like Ginger Robins and Fredistering.
He's coming forward, but you got a mirror what he
does moving backwards. And the thing is, you got a
target that's sitting right there, whether and basically everybody in
(42:55):
the shotgun now, so you can only set so far
before he sits ass in the quarterback lap.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Or you reach over the top of you and listen, Yo,
we need some more money, man, oh lord, we need
some more. We need some more that money.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
We need
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