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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, check this out.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Sa Quon Barkley's coming off his best year of his career,
which ending of him becoming a Super Bowl champion with
the Eagles, and now he's gracing the cover of Man
twenty six.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Sa Quan was.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Asked if he retire at the top of his game
or going to the wheels came off. I'll probably be
one of those guys that would be out of nowhere.
I'll probably just wake up one day where this's the next.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Year or two or four, and just be like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's over. I don't think I'll ever lose that passion.
The competitive nature is always going to be there. I like,
probably my favorite player of all time's Barry Sanders, So
probably similar to that. Maybe one day like nowhere, I'll
probably just be bawling and just be like, yeah, it's
a quiz d dah. We just talked about that, because
your situation was just like out of nowhere, like yeah, yup.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It was not as sudden.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Really, the ones in the inner circle, they knew the
situation and I was trying to push through. I was
looking for options to continue, but it's just it's over
for sure, Like I knew it, not as sudden as
like Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Saquan is incredible Hall of
Fame talent. For sure, it'll be a he can't walk
away all of a sudden. We need to see some
(01:10):
more of that man. That's a special talent.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What the difference is between them situation in Calvin and Barry,
they got tired of losing? Ye, for sure, that situation
where he's I mean, you just went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Now you start to lose.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But Barry, Barry got to the NFC Championship Game in
ninety one and never got that close again. So Barry
got tired of losing. Barry wasn't injured. I mean you
talk about the guy had average fifteen hundred yards for
ten seasons. No, for sure, to go Calvin, the same thing. Calvin,
like bro Man, we ain't getting no closer, And I'm
(01:43):
going out here and I'm doing all this to my body?
What am I really doing this for when I don't
really have a realistic chance of getting to in winning
a Super Bowl? So I think that's the different Saquan
is in a different situation now if he was at
the Giants, Yeah, he probably.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Just goes like one day I'm out of here. But
in the.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Situation where he is with that offensive line without offense,
with that defense.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Nah, I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't think
he just walks away.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
And money different too, Yeah, I mean the money different,
obviously different, and obviously he just got paid.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
It gave him a nice, nice.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Nice, nice twenty mil a year, O Joe.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Nice nice pay raise.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Sure take going for a running back for that position, obviously,
with a position not as being as valued as it
is now, but being somewhere now where they appreciate you
for what you're doing and they showed you love. I
don't see safety on retiring until he has that that
coming to coming to grass moment.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
You know, I can't do it like I used to.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's the fact I don't have that the same way.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I think that'll be the only time he actually called
it quits when he realized his you know what, I
can't get I can't bend that corner like I used to.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
I can't hit I can't hit that A. But that
that be a C gap like I want that that
that that'd be it, and that that ain't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Probably twenty six, twenty seven eight.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But here's the thing though, O Joe, Yeah, Lane Johnson
still there, Mile Lotta is still there, Jurgenson still there,
still there. So it's not like you see some of
these off some of these guys the offensive line get
old and they starting to move with them out.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's the best offensive line in football. They're not going.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's not like they're about to drop off a cliff
in the next year or two. And they got them
all in the contract. They just did Lane's contract. They
just didn't mile a lot of contra, just did Dickinson contract.
Jorkinson is a rook that was on a rookie contract. Nah,
he ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
And you know, it's funny when you think about it.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
As good as Saquon is and as good as that
offensive line is, even if sa Quon was a loser
step let's say maybe maybe in three years, if that,
with an offensive line like that, he will still be
able to do what he needs to do because you
get that much better up front.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So he won't be able to go eighty yards with
anybody without anybody tell to them. So now he might
have to break a tackle two yards from the line
of scrimmage and the fold and running through those holes
that my old slow ass could probably get five yards.
I ain't gonna hit my head on the gold post
like him, but I might get five yards.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Tea, I gave about three or four yards. Huh, all four?
I gave about three four Them micks hurt. I can
imagine now I ain't. I hadn't gotten hit on the
man in two decades.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I shadowed like ice. You know how you drop
ice side of the cot h.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Got to remember they're not hitting like we was back then.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
They Oh no, no, how to fall. I don't forgot
how to take a hit. You see you, Hey, you
start losing, you know how the t when you go,
like when you leave the season and you come back
and you got to go to training camp.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You got to re learn those stuff. At don't tingle
like they did.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like once you get going like training camp and now
you go to the season, they don't tingle them. And
now twenty years man, I be getting ad I run
him the shallow cross.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's a zone.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I'm through the Hey, they gonna get fined. They gonna
get fined though they might hit you.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But I won't be fine. They might get fined, but
I won't be fine. That's that's the world.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
That's the word, yo, cho you switch it up on
me man. You usually have on the cardier. I got
seven pair of cardier. I was gonna be tonight and
you didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Hey, let me see what you got, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
We're in there right now.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
We have a very special guest tonight. He's a three
time Pro bowler. He's an All Pro and he once
made the Pro Bowl as a returner.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Here is, ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of Delaware State,
mister DeShawn Jackson d jack Broke. We'll get to you
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right in to it, bro head coach Delaware State.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
If somebody said, okay, give I'm gonna give you a
list of players former NFL players that were that were
all decade players, that were Pro Bowl players, all pro players,
I will give you a list of ten guys, name
the guy that you think was most likely to become
a head coach on any level. D Jack, I can
honestly say I wouldn't. I wouldn't have put you at
(07:25):
the top of the list. Djack.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
What made you decide to become a head coach?
Speaker 8 (07:29):
I was gonna say, damn you was You wouldn't have
put me out there man.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Not no, not not not at the top of the list.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
No, I mean, I mean honestly for me, uh, you know,
the opportunity to present itself abously.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
I retired in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 9 (07:45):
I played in Baltimore, and after that year was over,
I retired and I walked away feeling like I left
everything out there on in between the white lines. So
for me, I sat around for a whole year, didn't
contemplate on nothing. I was like, you know what I deserve,
after all the fruit of these layers, all the hard
work it into it, I deserve to sit.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
Around for a whole year and I do nothing.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
I woke up at two o'clock if I wanted to
took the kids to school. I partied, I hung out,
I did just the regular things that I wanted to
do after all these hard years of working out. So
after that year, I was like, you know, I gotta
get my butt off this couch and go get go
get some income.
Speaker 8 (08:16):
You know.
Speaker 9 (08:17):
Me and Lashan mccoby had our podcast trying to figure
out if I was going to do the media side
of it or you know, and for me it was
just like I really didn't know who's way to go.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
And I started coaching.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
I went out My older brother was a high school
football coach, and I went out there and I coached
with her man, and I fell in love with coaching man.
So okay, Delaware State thing just kind of honestly fell
on my lap after my first year of coaching last year,
at the end of the year, it kind of just
fell on my lap.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Bro Hey, has it has it been Has it been
a difference, I know, being able to coach at the
high school level with your brother. Has it been a
difference in transition? Has it been difficult, you know, coaching
at the collegiate level now or to adjust to it somewhat?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (08:54):
No, I mean, great question. I feel like for sure
it's definitely been an adjustment. It's a lot of things.
It's different it's a lot of things that I was blind.
I was blinded, like I didn't know I was in
the dark, you know. As far as me honestly me,
I never like I played all these years, you know,
and I played obviously in college. I was never one
of them dudes. It was like, when I get done,
I'm gonna go coach so so so unk you kind
(09:16):
of are right. But at the day, like now I'm
in this position. I remember when I was in high school,
I mean, in college and the pros, I said I
would never coach, obviously, because I knew how much time
my college coaches and my NFL coaches put into it.
So for me, I think the biggest thing is the
off the field stuff that excell and those to me
is easy because you know, I was, I was a
student of the game, and I always when it came
(09:38):
down to football, I'm very football smart. I just think
from like the compliance, the admissions, like getting kids in
the school. You know, in the NFL, you ain't got
to worry about school. We going out there and playing.
We ain't got to worry about if the dudes got
a three point on a little higher. They go and
study hours, like are they doing what they supposed to
do because you know, so I was far removed from
that side of it. So now be in this position,
(09:59):
it's like I got don't almost be a father to
ninety cats.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
DJ when you look at it, you know, talking to
Coach Prime and talking to a lot of people that
were great at a particular craft, being a basketball coach
or be a basketball player, football player, baseball. For me,
I think the hardest thing to do is because you
put work into it. But it seemed like football came
easy to you. You would bless God, bless you with God,
get with speed out of the yin Yang. You were very,
(10:25):
very elusive. And the thing when I talk to Coach Prime,
he's like, because I don't look at them kids and
I expect them to be me. What has been the
hardest thing as far as like, because you were a
great player, you went to Pro Bowls, you and all Pro,
an all decade player, what's been the hardest thing to
like the coach a player and not say, well Son,
you should have picked that up.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
That's easy. How do you how do you separate that?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Like, make sure you under you understand that they're not
DeShawn Jackson, they're who they are, and you are who
you are.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
Honestly the heart, the hardest challenge has been, you know,
over my career, the actor, the stats, the Pro Bowls,
all Pro everything I accomplished.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
For me, it did come easy to me.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
So running fast, catching the football, when the balls in
my hand, doing the things that you know, the characteristics
that I did, it.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Came easy to me.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
So it's unfortunate to say after I look back at
my career, if I would have put in the extra
push up, if I didn't cut a rep short, if
I would have put more time into my craft, just
imagine how much more I would have like or how
better I would have been at my craft. So for
me being in this position now, the things I may
not have done or the things I made.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
It took the short cut out.
Speaker 9 (11:39):
I'm not allowing my players to miss that because I
know the success I had and I'm like, man, if
I would have did the extra and like not, just
thought it came so easy to me, Like if I
would have put the work in, just imagine where I
would have been sitting there. So for me, I think
the toughest thing is has been for me. It's like, Damn,
I played at this high level. I took I cut corners, didn't.
(11:59):
I didn't always give my all because it came easy.
But for me now I'm like, look, don't go do
what I did and that and what else was crazy
is I see my players doing things I once did
and I'm trying to coach them, like, hey, don't do that.
But I'm the hear it go me ten twenty years ago,
I was the one bad boes hear stuff they doing.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Hey, The funny thing about it when I think about it,
You know, being a competitor, Jack, You're competitor and you
not too far removed from the game of football.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
You just retired in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
You're able to put cleetson, lace them up and get
out there and play. How are you able to control
yourself because I ain't played in a minute.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, put me in a struction environment like that.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
My crazy ass is on having a pair of cleet
trying to demonstrate and teach and actually be in the
way as opposed to being a being a teacher and
being a.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Coach like you are.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Do you ever get antie and want to put your
cleatson sometimes and show players what.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
It should look like?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (12:52):
For sure percent.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So like honestly, man, I'm thirty
eight years old. Some of these guys obviously anywhere from
nineteen to twenty four, twenty five years old. So in
this role right now, man, like I still train, I
still work out, I still run. Like I'm telling my players,
like there ain't too many head coaches, it's gonna strap
(13:15):
it up with you in a rounde hundred and fifties
with you like we on the track, like you know.
Cause me the reason why I was able to play
so long because I always utilize the track in the offseason.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
So my players, we just was out in the field today.
Speaker 9 (13:26):
We had two three hundreds, we had one two hundred,
and we had three one fifties. And I'm out there
random with them. I may i may not be in
the front with them, but I'm so so for me,
that's been the challenge, man, because you know, when I
go out there, we do the cone drills. We went
through it, and I got to show these dudes because
some of these dudes taking five six steps to get
out they breaks and I'm like, DG, you never have
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five six bro. They take it for some of these
dudes is you know what I'm saying. It's crazy because
the other thing when I got here, some of these
dudes in no disrespect to the coaches before, but I'm like, bro,
how does some of y'all get Scott to a Division
one school?
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Bro? Who gave y'all scholarships?
Speaker 9 (14:03):
So like, for me, it's just like I'm trying to
I'm trying to put my eye on it. And I
know for us to win right now, it's not a
rebuilding process. We got to win right now, and I
know what it takes. So some of these guys, they
just don't fit the criteria. So sometimes I do got
to get out there old and put them peace on
and let them know I can still rent a bench roud,
I can still rent a curl, I can still take
the top off.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
We still do this, big Dog. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
D Jack.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Look, you love Philly. I don't me personally, and I'm
considerably older than you. I'm almost twenty years older than you,
but I followed your career and I know you love Philly.
Philly loved you because Philly loved guys that that love
what they do, and you love what you did. You
get in the crowd of like, hey, get it up,
get it up. Hey, I'm about to bring this thing back.
(14:49):
You get a touchdown, you run back with it to
the end zone. I don't think you ever wanted to
leave Philly. You had a very public falling out with
Chip Kelly. What was that like knowing that, you know what,
but I never wanted to leave Philly.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
But I'm gonna have to leave Philly.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Man, I mean, man, I go back man in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Man, that for me, that that was one of the
toughest things I've had to face in my life. When
you talk about adversity, when you talk about trials and tribulations,
I mean everything Philly meant to me. Obviously, my family
is from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, So I grew up a Pittsburgh
Stiller fan. So when I got a chance to get
drafted by the Eagles, you know, I have some Philly
I have some family that actually lived in Philadelphia because
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it's down the street from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
So for me, man, it was a bittersweet thing.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
And like now, looking back, Haro Carmichael is the all
time Philadelphia leader in yards all time, and he had
like sixty eight hundred I'm had sixty three hundred as
far as Philade in Philadelphia years and I played five years,
and I came back and played two years.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
So oh no, I think it was six and then eight,
so totally eight years.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
But in my whole career in fifteen years, I got
eleven thousand plus yards. If I would have stayed through
my whole career, I'm shattering here Harold Carmichael record of
no disrespect because I think Harrol Carmichael is, you know,
one of the best receivers that played for the Eagles.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
But I look back.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
You know Davonte Smith, you got AJ Brown, you got
all these dudes that you know, their accolades that they
calming up from charts, and it's like, and if I
would have stayed there, man, them charts would have been
hard for anybody to shout. I'm saying to be real,
and you know, them dudes are ballers, you know what
I'm saying. Davonte, I think he's you know him and
Aj together. I mean obviously you know when me and
Macklin was there, Jerem mclin was there, we did some
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crazy things. I know to is a guy that comes up,
but I mean honestly, man, what I felt like what
I've done in Philadelphia, all the big plays, me and
Michael Vig, I can't even go back to Donovan Nab
Nick Foles. I mean, I played with so many great quarterbacks.
But I think that phil that Philly break up man
for us as a team with Chip Kelly did man
(16:51):
like he dismantled. I think a team that obviously could
have been a super Bowl team now we had that,
we would have still had to go out there and
you know, earn that and do that. But twenty seventeen
I think had a lot of credibility to the to
the old times of the Philadelphia. Like if you go
ask Brandon Graham, Kelce, Lane Johnson, like all them dudes
would tell you, like, you know, me, Michael Vig, Shady McCoy,
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Jeremy Max and Brett Selig, like all them core guys
are guys that when we left, they just kind of
took the pedigree and kind of just took it off.
Just out when I was drafted. You have me, now
you had Westbrook, you have Brian Dawkins. You know, like
that's the court of Philadelphia. We turned into the court
that trotter. You know we turned into that court Philadelphia,
so twenty seventeen, a lot of that we carried over.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
You know, they took that on and win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
What was what was the what was the environment like
when Kelly was there, because it seemed like they had
a lot of issues. You had the issue with the
receiver at the concert. I don't know were you there then?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (17:49):
Yeah, I was there when Riddy Cooper said that.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Ley said what he said.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I had Mike to get up in front of them
and accept as like whoa, whoa, whoa, don't don't put
that showed me. Hey, I gotta see some things before
I started accepting the apology.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Hell, I ain't even heard him say that.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He apology, He apologized, and you talked about Mike Vicker said, no,
Mike ain't said nothing. What was the type of environment
that he fostered when he got there beginning?
Speaker 8 (18:15):
Oh man, at that period of time.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
Just I'll go back before the Riley Cooper Uh you
know that situation. But like when when Chip Kelly first
came in, For those who don't know, he literally came
in and you got pro bowlers. When I tell you
I was a pro bowler, Evin was a pro bowler.
McCoy was a pro bowler. Jeremy mac thein was, you know,
a thousand yard receiver. I mean we had got you,
(18:38):
Brett Selik. I mean we had guys and I ain't
even talking on the defensive side. We had guys that
were ballers. When Chip Keny came in there, he literally
had a meeting and he said, there's no starters. So
you tell me, So you telling me you coming into
a team that got them type of names that I
just said, and you said, you're no one's that started
Like we literally was not starting, Like everybody just was
(18:58):
going and we didn't have no first stream, no sicket,
Like it was crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
So Jack, what is he trying to prove?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
He's he's coming into a team with a bunch of
pro bowlers that have been playing for a long time
and telling y'all, y'all have to.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Earn your position.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
You feel me, bro, Buddy was but buddy was? He
He lost his But like they won, Buddy lost.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Their power trip.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
It was a power trip and like he came from
Oregon where he has the success. But I'm gonna be real,
like everything he was doing, we was like guinea pigs.
We was like lab rats. Like he was like, oh uh,
put a heart monter on it. At night time. I
wouldn't know how many hours you slept. When you come
to work, I want you to pee in a cup
and I want to see how hydrated you are. I'm
gonna put trackers on you. I need to know how many.
(19:38):
Like it was just crazy and like I ain't gonna lie.
I was want me and McCoy we was there. I mean,
Vic was he he had to play the role because
you know he was coming off the situation. But me
and Shady McCoy, we was like, hey, bro, we ain't
doing that. It's some ship were just not gonna do.
And so so So to go back to that situation
with with Riddy Cooper, I mean I can remember that
(19:59):
meeting like it was yes that he literally he said
the comments. And one thing about Riddy Cooper, Like Riddey Cooper,
he wasn't racist, you know what I'm saying. I just
think he got into a situation intoxicated. Somebody said something
to him and he just slurred that out. But like
Riddy Cooper was actually a good dude man, you know
what I'm saying. Like I had a great relationship with him,
and when.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
It happened, I just knew. I'm like, bruh, not like that.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
But it did happen, it did come out, and however
it came out, he may felt the way he felt
so for us, before we accepted any apologies, we like,
we got to really see that this shit is sincere.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
So I think you know, he tried to force that
on this. He tried. They tried to patch it up.
They tried to do a team meeting and cover it up.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
But it was like, when we got in trouble, you
ain't patsionate noth enough for us, So why you why
you gonna go patch it up for him?
Speaker 8 (20:43):
So it just the team didn't. It didn't set a
right for the team.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Mhm.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Hey, when you when you think about coaching, coaching college,
coaching football in general as a coach, is this something
that you view it's something you want to do long term?
Do you do your envision and envision doing in twenty
plus years?
Speaker 6 (21:01):
And me traditioning from college to the NFL.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Said twenty plug He said twenty plus. I mean, so hey.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Hey, DJA, let me get through the first year and
I get back at you.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
You feel me.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Man, I ain't gonna lie, but I didn't got a
few grades, Bro, I've been already stressed out where they
got me at the university.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Man, you know it's HBCU.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Man.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
We got a lot of resources.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
We got a lot of out yet underfunded.
Speaker 9 (21:25):
Conference right here. So long term, man, I'm not gonna
lie to you. I definitely love to see the men
right now. Man, to be able to have the success
I had on the field and now to be able
to be a head coach where I control everything from
top to bottom. You know what I'm saying, Like I
ain't even no power trip type of dude, but just
to have this control and to be able to say
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like that's the resemblance of me.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
I mean, it's a great feeling.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Man.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Every day I wake up, I'm rejuvenated. I'm excited to
go in there because I'm gonna be real with you, uncontrolled.
Like I didn't think it was gonna be this. I
didn't think I was gonna have this much fun doing
it because I thought about the hours. Yeah, when I
get when I get in there, I get in there
about seven eight in the morning, and by the time
I look up, it's like five six o'clock and then
the day's already gone.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
You looked up like where did the time go? So
it's really like when you're enjoying.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
Something in you and you passionate about it, it don't
seem like work, Bro, And like, honestly like the meetings.
I'm a head coach, so like I got an offensive coordinator,
they run the meetings, I got a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
They run the meeting.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
So I just get to dip with dabble and I
don't got to sit in the fool of meeting. I
don't got to do through installs. I don't gotta do
like I just got to be a leader of men.
And at the end of the day, I'm gonna make
sure my coaches. That's why I surrounded myself and that's
why I respect Prime so much because I feel like
in this day, I'm not taking away from nothing that
coach Prime does as a head coach, but he's.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
More to me.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
He's more of a leader of men and he you know,
his intelligence is smart, but he put people around him
for him to have success. And I just followed the
blueprint that Big Bro put down saying.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
That when he's a bet, he'll have rookie organize this locker.
Take a list at take a look at this video.
Speaker 10 (22:58):
Guys, I'm gonna bet what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
have a rookie organize my locker every day. You mean,
if Flacko told me to do this every day, I
would do it. I go to him every day. I said, hey, bro,
you good. You need anything right then? Because it's respect
you feel me? I feel that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So when you came in as a rookie, what did
the bets have you do to run?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Bets were pretty pretty good to me, man, Jerry Evans,
Ben Grubbs, Zach Street, those guys were pretty good to me. Yeah, okay,
get them breakfast every Saturday, food for the plane, snacks,
toilet tries. I had to bring that type stuff to
the facility. Deodorant, body wash, all that good stuff. So
trying to find a ride to Walmart because Uber didn't
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exist in twenty thirteen, So trying to find a ride
to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys, and haul
it in to the facility. But they were they were
pretty They were pretty smooth on me.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I mean, they want breakfast, sandwiches, they wanted doughnuts, they
wanted chicken. Come, they wanted Popeye to come to the plane.
I'm like, come on, guys, y'all, y'all know man, And
back then, you know we drove, We know, we drove,
drove to the airport. But we had an own hangar.
So you drive up, go get on the walk up
and get on the plane.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Man, you know better. I was driving so fast, driving reckless.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Many a rookie contract, man, I can't I can't afford
no twelve hundred and fifty dollar fine.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Man, Damn yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I remember the day our wide receive a group. I mean,
obviously the best when I came in is a rookie
in Cincinnati. Man, it was it was love, you know,
there was there was a certain amount of respect that
that I showed them, a certain amount of respect that
they showed as well.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
But you remember Darnay Scott, Yeah I do, Yeah, he
Darnay Scott.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Danny Farmer was at the time, Ron Dugans f Dub
Dub was there, and.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
It was it was all up. It was nothing to
that magnitude like some of the stories that I hear.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
No, we think the receiver room have the hardest time
with that. The receiver room is always that that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Be trying to buck the receiver trying.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
To it's it's always a hard time with that.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
We had a situation in Miami last year, not a
big situation, but uh, Tyree, Tyreek Hill have bought one
of the rookies Christmas gift and the rookie didn't like
it really like like, I mean, it's cool, but you know,
you spect should give me something better, you know, something bigger.
You make it thirty MS a year, you know what
I'm saying. And Tyreek was really hurt by that, Like
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he was really upset that we got Hey what did
he get in I'm trying to remember. It was like
it was like a like a Gucci cologne set or
something like that, some type of designer cologne set.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And this is this young boy twenty one years old
in Miami.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Man, he probably don't even have no kow wearing no colonia.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Don't want that.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
He wanted Tyrek Debaum, something with a little bit more,
a little more splash to it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, that was sing it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know you got to sing at at training camp
and not no damn fight song either. Nobody ain't nobody
go to your school, but you so you got to
say something. Whoever the ladies see us now like probably
now to be Kendrin, Lamar Drake or whomever the hot
rapper is right now. Back then, you know, R and
B was still big when I was coming up and
guys singing Teddy, the guys was singing up. Luther was
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singing Barry Why Hey, hey.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
They the thing y'all have? Did y'all have a rookie show?
T Oh? For sure?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
For sure? Mike get Danny he was. He was big
on that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
And Cheanpagne was two back in New Orleans. We would
do the song. Most of the guys would would do
R and B Old school R and B. Yeah, I
feel like the and you guys probably have a different song,
but I feel like that undefeated song when the rookie
starts singing it, and that rookie show the whole crowd
on joy, then it's fantation. When I see you, it's oh.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. He started that.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
You get to the first thirty he get through the
first thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
He won because everybody gonna, yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Hey, you know what that song, That song right there
is like when the swag surface song come on.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
It don't matter where you at or what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Sure, everybody joining in.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Yeah that's why.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, you gotta grab somebody, everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, that's it a.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Uh New Orleans here we come to get you to.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
That was bad as Yeah, that super.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Dum used to rock Man.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I missed.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I missed them. I missed that place. I missed those fans.
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Matter of fact, I think you went to Arkansas Pine Bluff, Yes, sir,
as matter of fact, when I was at Link you
know about Links University, right, yeah, now, we when I
was at Lengths, we played Arkansas Pine Bluff. They came up,
they came on down with a coil, so steal water
whichever one it is.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
But it's back in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Nineteen, we played Lengths in my freshman year and length
and beat us bro Real.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
It was bad.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It was bad.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Y'all took the bus because we took the bus everywhere.
It didn't matter if it was three hours or if
it was twelve hours.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
You on that bus.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I was on the bus. He's on that bus.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Pair it up and well see and the way we
did it is like the starting offense and the starting
defense on one bus and then the backups on another bus.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
We did, we did off.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Hell now starts on one bus at the backups on
another bus.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
What you be if you ride the bench, you ride
this bus.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, you're right, exactly heard about segregation.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Oh yeah, that's crazy. How they supposed to get better? Man,
they can't sit and talk to none of y'all.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Because we're back there playing cards. You know, shades were
playing cards. We know we all wanted to back to
the back of the bus. You know what I'm saying.
We matter of fact, we wanted to go to the
back of the bus. But hey, all of us, it
wasn't nothing special because all of us was black. We
had what our kicker was white, So it wasn't It
wasn't no thinking. I'm sure it's the same thing with
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you guys. Did y'all have a white kicker or punter?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Both white kicker and punter. Oh, we had a linebacker.
We had a yeh, we had a linebacker too. He
was a bad man.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
But that's what you know. But you you missed that.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I missed, you know, taking over, you know, going to Tuskegee,
going to uh we're Burlington, North Carolina. Just you know,
you you taking the bus. I mean it didn't know,
you know, playing It doesn't matter if it was like
I said, if it was an hour to Georgia Southern
and Statesboro or you going to Tuskegee or you going
to North Carolina, it didn't matter. Spartanburg, South Carolina, didn't matter.
(29:48):
You're on that bus. Yeah, we would take.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
We take that ten hour bus ride to Houston for
Prairie View, Texas Southern. We take the ten hour bus
ride to Alabama and dam Alabama State.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
My first flight in my life was we got paid
to come play U tip so we flew down in Utup.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
They paid us to beat on us. Yeah, whatever, that
was my first time. I'm trying to think what if
oh first time on the flight. I think I went
to Black College, All American. I think I went to Pittsburgh.
I think maybe I flew to see my brother play.
Oh yeah, but other than now, but now you wouldn't
(30:27):
taking it. You wouldn't. But you missed that because guess
what we could stop by a convenience store. They was like,
man the guy was like because I was, I was,
I was the captainist. Ted saw the man like man
shop man I'm hungry. Man, have Coach David to stop
by the stop by the convenience store. I'm like, I'm like,
coach Man, I'm honging, coach. Can we stopped by a
convenience store? Coach David looking at me, say all right, home,
(30:48):
we're gonna stop, but you're responsible for. You don't really
know what they're gonna do. They gonna clean the store out, y'all.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Y'all had that nil money back then?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, we had no nil money.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
That's why he told me I was responsible for him
to make sure they put iss their pockets. That's why
he told me I'm responsible for And I'm standing to
the door. Hey mm hmmm, take it out.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
O Joe?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
How did go Look he ain't stop everybody oo I did? Yeah,
he ain't see everything.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
But I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Let me tell you what I wouldn't do because I
was one of a few guys that had had a vehicle,
and they and people like Man to this day, they're
like man.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Shaw wouldn't give nobody ride. Bro.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I know who had stuff would follow them out the store.
I know who a bag of potato chip, soda, honey buns,
It would.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Follow you walk out the store behind you.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So no, you're not getting in my car because everybody
knew who my who I was, and what I drove. Man,
I just know they got in the car with Shannon.
It was Shannon Sharp. They ain't gonna say nothing else.
It was Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Oh no, even if you had a little honey Bunny
on slides, the little swist roll or something.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
He's three dollars but he gonna come out of there
with five dollars worth the stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
So no, no, he got something for you.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
No, oh no.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And the mall.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Never going to the mall with him, absolutely not. Tey,
What do you think about the locker room decision with
two of going through his third and fourth major concussion?
How do I mean? Look, you you can do all
you can try to protect the guy, but at some
point in time he got to protect himself. He has
to know when the journey's over. You can't. At no
situation should he be allowed. I don't know what he
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was thinking, that you're gonna go ahead, that you're gonna
go head first on somebody knowing your history.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah, you know, he definitely, he's he has to be aware,
there's no question about it. And he is aware, but
even more and now it has to be proven on
on a weekly basis that he understands his importance and
impact to the to the team, to the franchise, to
the city. Without to under center, it's a different it's
a different team, it's a different look. But with him
(33:00):
under under center, I strongly believe Miami Dolphins can win
any game that he's the starting quarterback. So no, you're
you're having to when he gets thirty degrees, Oh, here
we go, let's get let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
But go ahead, but with ta go ahead with Tua. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
No, he has to know that.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
He has to know how much of a value PC
is and whatever it needs to do.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
But just just.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Knowing that God, knowing how much he loed a game
and the way.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
That he prepares.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Man, it's that competitiveness against Buffalo this year, we're stagnant offensively,
we get a drive going and he's trying to extend
on the third down to try to get another first
down and just he can't.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Be the one to do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
But it's just him being a competitor, trying to trying
to wield a team.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, I think I think I talked uncle and I
talked about this last last year sometime when he when
he went out. I just think he has to learn
to fall a little better and understanding. But Whin went
to specially, I remember that first down we went head first,
he still got he got up.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
Yeah, it was like one of the moments where you'd
be like, ah.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, hold your breath moment.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
They just know when the journeys over.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, no knowing when the journey's over, and then when
he gets hit, knowing how to fall correctly, you know,
especially when you go when you go back and you
don't try to do your best. I know it's hard,
but I was. It's something that I trained myself to do.
Is when you get tackled, you going backwards, try not
to let your head hit the back of the back
of the back of the ground as hard as it does.
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What I used to do is if I get hit
hard and I know it's backwards, I'm going backwards, I
would tighten thep my core and try to keep my
head up right the best I can, the best I can,
just so I don't get that boom, that that that
that initial shock which causes cause the.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's the one though, the one that you falling back
hit the head, that's the one that's Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
One when I do my best like I'm holding the ball,
but I do my best as if I'm as if
I'm bear hugging dude.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
You know, in a sense obviously literally bear hugging.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I'm just saying, trying to keep my body and my
upper body and torso as close to him as possible
even on impact, just so most of the force isn't
the back of the head bouncing off.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
How you feel about them guys on the sideline that
they jump out of bound or or are you trying
to fall forward for the few more yards?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
What?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
What do you think about that? It all depends in
his situation. He can't do it, not even on four
because he's too valuable. He gets down and he gets dean,
what have you done? Okay, you got the first down.
Now your backup has to come in and finish out
the ball game and your trime. Example Peyton Manning. Once
Peyton Manning hurt that neck, they never let him do
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quarterbacks to Nick again. Yeah, if you notice, they don't
let Patrick Mahons since he hurt his knee. They don't
let Patrick Mahons do go straight into the line of scrimmage.
You see, you have to protect the guy.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
No, that's the fact, that's the fact.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
He's gonna have. They're not gonna let him do. Obviously,
you wouldn't do no touch push with tour. But second
of all, Bro, you got slide. It's okay, it's okay
the slide. I'm not looking at no quarterback. Oh he
tough for what. You're not used to taking those links
like that, and they're looking to punish you because you
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don't have the protection of the pocket, because once you
leave that pocket, you're a runner.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
So I'm gonna hit you like Dare Henry
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Free Gag Free Gang
All right, check this out.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Sa Quon Barkley's coming off his best year of his career,
which ending of him becoming a Super Bowl champion with
the Eagles, and now he's gracing the cover of Man
twenty six.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Sa Quan was.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Asked if he retire at the top of his game
or going to the wheels came off. I'll probably be
one of those guys that would be out of nowhere.
I'll probably just wake up one day where this's the next.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Year or two or four, and just be like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's over. I don't think I'll ever lose that passion.
The competitive nature is always going to be there. I like,
probably my favorite player of all time's Barry Sanders, So
probably similar to that. Maybe one day like nowhere, I'll
probably just be bawling and just be like, yeah, it's
a quiz d dah. We just talked about that, because
your situation was just like out of nowhere, like yeah, yup.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It was not as sudden.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Really, the ones in the inner circle, they knew the
situation and I was trying to push through. I was
looking for options to continue, but it's just it's over
for sure, Like I knew it, not as sudden as
like Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Saquan is incredible Hall of
Fame talent. For sure, it'll be a he can't walk
away all of a sudden. We need to see some
(01:10):
more of that man. That's a special talent.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What the difference is between them situation in Calvin and Barry,
they got tired of losing? Ye, for sure, that situation
where he's I mean, you just went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Now you start to lose.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But Barry, Barry got to the NFC Championship Game in
ninety one and never got that close again. So Barry
got tired of losing. Barry wasn't injured. I mean you
talk about the guy had average fifteen hundred yards for
ten seasons. No, for sure, to go Calvin, the same thing. Calvin,
like bro Man, we ain't getting no closer, And I'm
(01:43):
going out here and I'm doing all this to my body?
What am I really doing this for when I don't
really have a realistic chance of getting to in winning
a Super Bowl? So I think that's the different Saquan
is in a different situation now if he was at
the Giants, Yeah, he probably.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Just goes like one day I'm out of here. But
in the.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Situation where he is with that offensive line without offense,
with that defense.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Nah, I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't think
he just walks away.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
And money different too, Yeah, I mean the money different,
obviously different, and obviously he just got paid.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
It gave him a nice, nice.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Nice, nice twenty mil a year, O Joe.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Nice nice pay raise.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Sure take going for a running back for that position, obviously,
with a position not as being as valued as it
is now, but being somewhere now where they appreciate you
for what you're doing and they showed you love. I
don't see safety on retiring until he has that that
coming to coming to grass moment.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
You know, I can't do it like I used to.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's the fact I don't have that the same way.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I think that'll be the only time he actually called
it quits when he realized his you know what, I
can't get I can't bend that corner like I used to.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
I can't hit I can't hit that A. But that
that be a C gap like I want that that
that that'd be it, and that that ain't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Probably twenty six, twenty seven eight.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But here's the thing though, O Joe, Yeah, Lane Johnson
still there, Mile Lotta is still there, Jurgenson still there,
still there. So it's not like you see some of
these off some of these guys the offensive line get
old and they starting to move with them out.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's the best offensive line in football. They're not going.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's not like they're about to drop off a cliff
in the next year or two. And they got them
all in the contract. They just did Lane's contract. They
just didn't mile a lot of contra, just did Dickinson contract.
Jorkinson is a rook that was on a rookie contract. Nah,
he ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
And you know, it's funny when you think about it.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
As good as Saquon is and as good as that
offensive line is, even if sa Quon was a loser
step let's say maybe maybe in three years, if that,
with an offensive line like that, he will still be
able to do what he needs to do because you
get that much better up front.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So he won't be able to go eighty yards with
anybody without anybody tell to them. So now he might
have to break a tackle two yards from the line
of scrimmage and the fold and running through those holes
that my old slow ass could probably get five yards.
I ain't gonna hit my head on the gold post
like him, but I might get five yards.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Tea, I gave about three or four yards. Huh, all four?
I gave about three four Them micks hurt. I can
imagine now I ain't. I hadn't gotten hit on the
man in two decades.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I shadowed like ice. You know how you drop
ice side of the cot h.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Got to remember they're not hitting like we was back then.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
They Oh no, no, how to fall. I don't forgot
how to take a hit. You see you, Hey, you
start losing, you know how the t when you go,
like when you leave the season and you come back
and you got to go to training camp.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You got to re learn those stuff. At don't tingle
like they did.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like once you get going like training camp and now
you go to the season, they don't tingle them. And
now twenty years man, I be getting ad I run
him the shallow cross.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's a zone.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I'm through the Hey, they gonna get fined. They gonna
get fined though they might hit you.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But I won't be fine. They might get fined, but
I won't be fine. That's that's the world.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
That's the word, yo, cho you switch it up on
me man. You usually have on the cardier. I got
seven pair of cardier. I was gonna be tonight and
you didn't.
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We have a very special guest tonight. He's a three
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Speaker 1 (05:35):
And a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Here is, ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of Delaware State,
mister DeShawn Jackson d jack Broke. We'll get to you
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right in to it, bro head coach Delaware State.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
If somebody said, okay, give I'm gonna give you a
list of players former NFL players that were that were
all decade players, that were Pro Bowl players, all pro players,
I will give you a list of ten guys, name
the guy that you think was most likely to become
a head coach on any level. D Jack, I can
honestly say I wouldn't. I wouldn't have put you at
(07:25):
the top of the list. Djack.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
What made you decide to become a head coach?
Speaker 8 (07:29):
I was gonna say, damn you was You wouldn't have
put me out there man.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Not no, not not not at the top of the list.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
No, I mean, I mean honestly for me, uh, you know,
the opportunity to present itself abously.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
I retired in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 9 (07:45):
I played in Baltimore, and after that year was over,
I retired and I walked away feeling like I left
everything out there on in between the white lines. So
for me, I sat around for a whole year, didn't
contemplate on nothing. I was like, you know what I deserve,
after all the fruit of these layers, all the hard
work it into it, I deserve to sit.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
Around for a whole year and I do nothing.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
I woke up at two o'clock if I wanted to
took the kids to school. I partied, I hung out,
I did just the regular things that I wanted to
do after all these hard years of working out. So
after that year, I was like, you know, I gotta
get my butt off this couch and go get go
get some income.
Speaker 8 (08:16):
You know.
Speaker 9 (08:17):
Me and Lashan mccoby had our podcast trying to figure
out if I was going to do the media side
of it or you know, and for me it was
just like I really didn't know who's way to go.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
And I started coaching.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
I went out My older brother was a high school
football coach, and I went out there and I coached
with her man, and I fell in love with coaching man.
So okay, Delaware State thing just kind of honestly fell
on my lap after my first year of coaching last year,
at the end of the year, it kind of just
fell on my lap.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Bro Hey, has it has it been Has it been
a difference, I know, being able to coach at the
high school level with your brother. Has it been a
difference in transition? Has it been difficult, you know, coaching
at the collegiate level now or to adjust to it somewhat?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (08:54):
No, I mean, great question. I feel like for sure
it's definitely been an adjustment. It's a lot of things.
It's different it's a lot of things that I was blind.
I was blinded, like I didn't know I was in
the dark, you know. As far as me honestly me,
I never like I played all these years, you know,
and I played obviously in college. I was never one
of them dudes. It was like, when I get done,
I'm gonna go coach so so so unk you kind
(09:16):
of are right. But at the day, like now I'm
in this position. I remember when I was in high school,
I mean, in college and the pros, I said I
would never coach, obviously, because I knew how much time
my college coaches and my NFL coaches put into it.
So for me, I think the biggest thing is the
off the field stuff that excell and those to me
is easy because you know, I was, I was a
student of the game, and I always when it came
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down to football, I'm very football smart. I just think
from like the compliance, the admissions, like getting kids in
the school. You know, in the NFL, you ain't got
to worry about school. We going out there and playing.
We ain't got to worry about if the dudes got
a three point on a little higher. They go and
study hours, like are they doing what they supposed to
do because you know, so I was far removed from
that side of it. So now be in this position,
(09:59):
it's like I got don't almost be a father to
ninety cats.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
DJ when you look at it, you know, talking to
Coach Prime and talking to a lot of people that
were great at a particular craft, being a basketball coach
or be a basketball player, football player, baseball. For me,
I think the hardest thing to do is because you
put work into it. But it seemed like football came
easy to you. You would bless God, bless you with God,
get with speed out of the yin Yang. You were very,
(10:25):
very elusive. And the thing when I talk to Coach Prime,
he's like, because I don't look at them kids and
I expect them to be me. What has been the
hardest thing as far as like, because you were a
great player, you went to Pro Bowls, you and all Pro,
an all decade player, what's been the hardest thing to
like the coach a player and not say, well Son,
you should have picked that up.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
That's easy. How do you how do you separate that?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Like, make sure you under you understand that they're not
DeShawn Jackson, they're who they are, and you are who
you are.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
Honestly the heart, the hardest challenge has been, you know,
over my career, the actor, the stats, the Pro Bowls,
all Pro everything I accomplished.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
For me, it did come easy to me.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
So running fast, catching the football, when the balls in
my hand, doing the things that you know, the characteristics
that I did, it.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Came easy to me.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
So it's unfortunate to say after I look back at
my career, if I would have put in the extra
push up, if I didn't cut a rep short, if
I would have put more time into my craft, just
imagine how much more I would have like or how
better I would have been at my craft. So for
me being in this position now, the things I may
not have done or the things I made.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
It took the short cut out.
Speaker 9 (11:39):
I'm not allowing my players to miss that because I
know the success I had and I'm like, man, if
I would have did the extra and like not, just
thought it came so easy to me, Like if I
would have put the work in, just imagine where I
would have been sitting there. So for me, I think
the toughest thing is has been for me. It's like, Damn,
I played at this high level. I took I cut corners, didn't.
(11:59):
I didn't always give my all because it came easy.
But for me now I'm like, look, don't go do
what I did and that and what else was crazy
is I see my players doing things I once did
and I'm trying to coach them, like, hey, don't do that.
But I'm the hear it go me ten twenty years ago,
I was the one bad boes hear stuff they doing.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Hey, The funny thing about it when I think about it,
You know, being a competitor, Jack, You're competitor and you
not too far removed from the game of football.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
You just retired in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
You're able to put cleetson, lace them up and get
out there and play. How are you able to control
yourself because I ain't played in a minute.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, put me in a struction environment like that.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
My crazy ass is on having a pair of cleet
trying to demonstrate and teach and actually be in the
way as opposed to being a being a teacher and
being a.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Coach like you are.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Do you ever get antie and want to put your
cleatson sometimes and show players what.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
It should look like?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (12:52):
For sure percent.
Speaker 9 (12:54):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So like honestly, man, I'm thirty
eight years old. Some of these guys obviously anywhere from
nineteen to twenty four, twenty five years old. So in
this role right now, man, like I still train, I
still work out, I still run. Like I'm telling my players,
like there ain't too many head coaches, it's gonna strap
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it up with you in a rounde hundred and fifties
with you like we on the track, like you know.
Cause me the reason why I was able to play
so long because I always utilize the track in the offseason.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
So my players, we just was out in the field today.
Speaker 9 (13:26):
We had two three hundreds, we had one two hundred,
and we had three one fifties. And I'm out there
random with them. I may i may not be in
the front with them, but I'm so so for me,
that's been the challenge, man, because you know, when I
go out there, we do the cone drills. We went
through it, and I got to show these dudes because
some of these dudes taking five six steps to get
out they breaks and I'm like, DG, you never have
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five six bro. They take it for some of these
dudes is you know what I'm saying. It's crazy because
the other thing when I got here, some of these
dudes in no disrespect to the coaches before, but I'm like, bro,
how does some of y'all get Scott to a Division
one school?
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Bro? Who gave y'all scholarships?
Speaker 9 (14:03):
So like, for me, it's just like I'm trying to
I'm trying to put my eye on it. And I
know for us to win right now, it's not a
rebuilding process. We got to win right now, and I
know what it takes. So some of these guys, they
just don't fit the criteria. So sometimes I do got
to get out there old and put them peace on
and let them know I can still rent a bench roud,
I can still rent a curl, I can still take
the top off.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
We still do this, big Dog. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
D Jack.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Look, you love Philly. I don't me personally, and I'm
considerably older than you. I'm almost twenty years older than you,
but I followed your career and I know you love Philly.
Philly loved you because Philly loved guys that that love
what they do, and you love what you did. You
get in the crowd of like, hey, get it up,
get it up. Hey, I'm about to bring this thing back.
(14:49):
You get a touchdown, you run back with it to
the end zone. I don't think you ever wanted to
leave Philly. You had a very public falling out with
Chip Kelly. What was that like knowing that, you know what,
but I never wanted to leave Philly.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
But I'm gonna have to leave Philly.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Man, I mean, man, I go back man in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Man, that for me, that that was one of the
toughest things I've had to face in my life. When
you talk about adversity, when you talk about trials and tribulations,
I mean everything Philly meant to me. Obviously, my family
is from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, So I grew up a Pittsburgh
Stiller fan. So when I got a chance to get
drafted by the Eagles, you know, I have some Philly
I have some family that actually lived in Philadelphia because
(15:29):
it's down the street from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
So for me, man, it was a bittersweet thing.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
And like now, looking back, Haro Carmichael is the all
time Philadelphia leader in yards all time, and he had
like sixty eight hundred I'm had sixty three hundred as
far as Philade in Philadelphia years and I played five years,
and I came back and played two years.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
So oh no, I think it was six and then eight,
so totally eight years.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
But in my whole career in fifteen years, I got
eleven thousand plus yards. If I would have stayed through
my whole career, I'm shattering here Harold Carmichael record of
no disrespect because I think Harrol Carmichael is, you know,
one of the best receivers that played for the Eagles.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
But I look back.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
You know Davonte Smith, you got AJ Brown, you got
all these dudes that you know, their accolades that they
calming up from charts, and it's like, and if I
would have stayed there, man, them charts would have been
hard for anybody to shout. I'm saying to be real,
and you know, them dudes are ballers, you know what
I'm saying. Davonte, I think he's you know him and
Aj together. I mean obviously you know when me and
Macklin was there, Jerem mclin was there, we did some
(16:30):
crazy things. I know to is a guy that comes up,
but I mean honestly, man, what I felt like what
I've done in Philadelphia, all the big plays, me and
Michael Vig, I can't even go back to Donovan Nab
Nick Foles. I mean, I played with so many great quarterbacks.
But I think that phil that Philly break up man
for us as a team with Chip Kelly did man
(16:51):
like he dismantled. I think a team that obviously could
have been a super Bowl team now we had that,
we would have still had to go out there and
you know, earn that and do that. But twenty seventeen
I think had a lot of credibility to the to
the old times of the Philadelphia. Like if you go
ask Brandon Graham, Kelce, Lane Johnson, like all them dudes
would tell you, like, you know, me, Michael Vig, Shady McCoy,
(17:13):
Jeremy Max and Brett Selig, like all them core guys
are guys that when we left, they just kind of
took the pedigree and kind of just took it off.
Just out when I was drafted. You have me, now
you had Westbrook, you have Brian Dawkins. You know, like
that's the court of Philadelphia. We turned into the court
that trotter. You know we turned into that court Philadelphia,
so twenty seventeen, a lot of that we carried over.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
You know, they took that on and win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
What was what was the what was the environment like
when Kelly was there, because it seemed like they had
a lot of issues. You had the issue with the
receiver at the concert. I don't know were you there then?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (17:49):
Yeah, I was there when Riddy Cooper said that.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Ley said what he said.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I had Mike to get up in front of them
and accept as like whoa, whoa, whoa, don't don't put
that showed me. Hey, I gotta see some things before
I started accepting the apology.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Hell, I ain't even heard him say that.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He apology, He apologized, and you talked about Mike Vicker said, no,
Mike ain't said nothing. What was the type of environment
that he fostered when he got there beginning?
Speaker 8 (18:15):
Oh man, at that period of time.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
Just I'll go back before the Riley Cooper Uh you
know that situation. But like when when Chip Kelly first
came in, For those who don't know, he literally came
in and you got pro bowlers. When I tell you
I was a pro bowler, Evin was a pro bowler.
McCoy was a pro bowler. Jeremy mac thein was, you know,
a thousand yard receiver. I mean we had got you,
(18:38):
Brett Selik. I mean we had guys and I ain't
even talking on the defensive side. We had guys that
were ballers. When Chip Keny came in there, he literally
had a meeting and he said, there's no starters. So
you tell me, So you telling me you coming into
a team that got them type of names that I
just said, and you said, you're no one's that started
Like we literally was not starting, Like everybody just was
(18:58):
going and we didn't have no first stream, no sicket,
Like it was crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
So Jack, what is he trying to prove?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
He's he's coming into a team with a bunch of
pro bowlers that have been playing for a long time
and telling y'all, y'all have to.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Earn your position.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
You feel me, bro, Buddy was but buddy was? He
He lost his But like they won, Buddy lost.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Their power trip.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
It was a power trip and like he came from
Oregon where he has the success. But I'm gonna be real,
like everything he was doing, we was like guinea pigs.
We was like lab rats. Like he was like, oh uh,
put a heart monter on it. At night time. I
wouldn't know how many hours you slept. When you come
to work, I want you to pee in a cup
and I want to see how hydrated you are. I'm
gonna put trackers on you. I need to know how many.
(19:38):
Like it was just crazy and like I ain't gonna lie.
I was want me and McCoy we was there. I mean,
Vic was he he had to play the role because
you know he was coming off the situation. But me
and Shady McCoy, we was like, hey, bro, we ain't
doing that. It's some ship were just not gonna do.
And so so So to go back to that situation
with with Riddy Cooper, I mean I can remember that
(19:59):
meeting like it was yes that he literally he said
the comments. And one thing about Riddy Cooper, Like Riddey Cooper,
he wasn't racist, you know what I'm saying. I just
think he got into a situation intoxicated. Somebody said something
to him and he just slurred that out. But like
Riddy Cooper was actually a good dude man, you know
what I'm saying. Like I had a great relationship with him,
and when.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
It happened, I just knew. I'm like, bruh, not like that.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
But it did happen, it did come out, and however
it came out, he may felt the way he felt
so for us, before we accepted any apologies, we like,
we got to really see that this shit is sincere.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
So I think you know, he tried to force that
on this. He tried. They tried to patch it up.
They tried to do a team meeting and cover it up.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
But it was like, when we got in trouble, you
ain't patsionate noth enough for us, So why you why
you gonna go patch it up for him?
Speaker 8 (20:43):
So it just the team didn't. It didn't set a
right for the team.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Mhm.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Hey, when you when you think about coaching, coaching college,
coaching football in general as a coach, is this something
that you view it's something you want to do long term?
Do you do your envision and envision doing in twenty
plus years?
Speaker 6 (21:01):
And me traditioning from college to the NFL.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Said twenty plug He said twenty plus. I mean, so hey.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Hey, DJA, let me get through the first year and
I get back at you.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
You feel me.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Man, I ain't gonna lie, but I didn't got a
few grades, Bro, I've been already stressed out where they
got me at the university.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Man, you know it's HBCU.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Man.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
We got a lot of resources.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
We got a lot of out yet underfunded.
Speaker 9 (21:25):
Conference right here. So long term, man, I'm not gonna
lie to you. I definitely love to see the men
right now. Man, to be able to have the success
I had on the field and now to be able
to be a head coach where I control everything from
top to bottom. You know what I'm saying, Like I
ain't even no power trip type of dude, but just
to have this control and to be able to say
(21:45):
like that's the resemblance of me.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
I mean, it's a great feeling.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Man.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Every day I wake up, I'm rejuvenated. I'm excited to
go in there because I'm gonna be real with you, uncontrolled.
Like I didn't think it was gonna be this. I
didn't think I was gonna have this much fun doing
it because I thought about the hours. Yeah, when I
get when I get in there, I get in there
about seven eight in the morning, and by the time
I look up, it's like five six o'clock and then
the day's already gone.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
You looked up like where did the time go? So
it's really like when you're enjoying.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
Something in you and you passionate about it, it don't
seem like work, Bro, And like, honestly like the meetings.
I'm a head coach, so like I got an offensive coordinator,
they run the meetings, I got a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
They run the meeting.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
So I just get to dip with dabble and I
don't got to sit in the fool of meeting. I
don't got to do through installs. I don't gotta do
like I just got to be a leader of men.
And at the end of the day, I'm gonna make
sure my coaches. That's why I surrounded myself and that's
why I respect Prime so much because I feel like
in this day, I'm not taking away from nothing that
coach Prime does as a head coach, but he's.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
More to me.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
He's more of a leader of men and he you know,
his intelligence is smart, but he put people around him
for him to have success. And I just followed the
blueprint that Big Bro put down saying.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
That when he's a bet, he'll have rookie organize this locker.
Take a list at take a look at this video.
Speaker 10 (22:58):
Guys, I'm gonna bet what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
have a rookie organize my locker every day. You mean,
if Flacko told me to do this every day, I
would do it. I go to him every day. I said, hey, bro,
you good. You need anything right then? Because it's respect
you feel me? I feel that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So when you came in as a rookie, what did
the bets have you do to run?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Bets were pretty pretty good to me, man, Jerry Evans,
Ben Grubbs, Zach Street, those guys were pretty good to me. Yeah, okay,
get them breakfast every Saturday, food for the plane, snacks,
toilet tries. I had to bring that type stuff to
the facility. Deodorant, body wash, all that good stuff. So
trying to find a ride to Walmart because Uber didn't
(23:48):
exist in twenty thirteen, So trying to find a ride
to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys, and haul
it in to the facility. But they were they were
pretty They were pretty smooth on me.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I mean, they want breakfast, sandwiches, they wanted doughnuts, they
wanted chicken. Come, they wanted Popeye to come to the plane.
I'm like, come on, guys, y'all, y'all know man, And
back then, you know we drove, We know, we drove,
drove to the airport. But we had an own hangar.
So you drive up, go get on the walk up
and get on the plane.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Man, you know better. I was driving so fast, driving reckless.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Many a rookie contract, man, I can't I can't afford
no twelve hundred and fifty dollar fine.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Man, Damn yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I remember the day our wide receive a group. I mean,
obviously the best when I came in is a rookie
in Cincinnati. Man, it was it was love, you know,
there was there was a certain amount of respect that
that I showed them, a certain amount of respect that
they showed as well.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
But you remember Darnay Scott, Yeah I do, Yeah, he
Darnay Scott.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Danny Farmer was at the time, Ron Dugans f Dub
Dub was there, and.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
It was it was all up. It was nothing to
that magnitude like some of the stories that I hear.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
No, we think the receiver room have the hardest time
with that. The receiver room is always that that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Be trying to buck the receiver trying.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
To it's it's always a hard time with that.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
We had a situation in Miami last year, not a
big situation, but uh, Tyree, Tyreek Hill have bought one
of the rookies Christmas gift and the rookie didn't like
it really like like, I mean, it's cool, but you know,
you spect should give me something better, you know, something bigger.
You make it thirty MS a year, you know what
I'm saying. And Tyreek was really hurt by that, Like
(25:36):
he was really upset that we got Hey what did
he get in I'm trying to remember. It was like
it was like a like a Gucci cologne set or
something like that, some type of designer cologne set.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And this is this young boy twenty one years old
in Miami.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Man, he probably don't even have no kow wearing no colonia.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Don't want that.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
He wanted Tyrek Debaum, something with a little bit more,
a little more splash to it.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, that was sing it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know you got to sing at at training camp
and not no damn fight song either. Nobody ain't nobody
go to your school, but you so you got to
say something. Whoever the ladies see us now like probably
now to be Kendrin, Lamar Drake or whomever the hot
rapper is right now. Back then, you know, R and
B was still big when I was coming up and
guys singing Teddy, the guys was singing up. Luther was
(26:24):
singing Barry Why Hey, hey.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
They the thing y'all have? Did y'all have a rookie show?
T Oh? For sure?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
For sure? Mike get Danny he was. He was big
on that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
And Cheanpagne was two back in New Orleans. We would
do the song. Most of the guys would would do
R and B Old school R and B. Yeah, I
feel like the and you guys probably have a different song,
but I feel like that undefeated song when the rookie
starts singing it, and that rookie show the whole crowd
on joy, then it's fantation. When I see you, it's oh.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. He started that.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
You get to the first thirty he get through the
first thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
He won because everybody gonna, yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Hey, you know what that song, That song right there
is like when the swag surface song come on.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
It don't matter where you at or what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Sure, everybody joining in.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Yeah that's why.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, you gotta grab somebody, everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, that's it a.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Uh New Orleans here we come to get you to.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
That was bad as Yeah, that super.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Dum used to rock Man.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I missed.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I missed them. I missed that place. I missed those fans.
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Matter of fact, I think you went to Arkansas Pine Bluff, Yes, sir,
as matter of fact, when I was at Link you
know about Links University, right, yeah, now, we when I
was at Lengths, we played Arkansas Pine Bluff. They came up,
they came on down with a coil, so steal water
whichever one it is.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
But it's back in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Nineteen, we played Lengths in my freshman year and length
and beat us bro Real.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
It was bad.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It was bad.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Y'all took the bus because we took the bus everywhere.
It didn't matter if it was three hours or if
it was twelve hours.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
You on that bus.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I was on the bus. He's on that bus.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Pair it up and well see and the way we
did it is like the starting offense and the starting
defense on one bus and then the backups on another bus.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
We did, we did off.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Hell now starts on one bus at the backups on
another bus.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
What you be if you ride the bench, you ride
this bus.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, you're right, exactly heard about segregation.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Oh yeah, that's crazy. How they supposed to get better? Man,
they can't sit and talk to none of y'all.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Because we're back there playing cards. You know, shades were
playing cards. We know we all wanted to back to
the back of the bus. You know what I'm saying.
We matter of fact, we wanted to go to the
back of the bus. But hey, all of us, it
wasn't nothing special because all of us was black. We
had what our kicker was white, So it wasn't It
wasn't no thinking. I'm sure it's the same thing with
(29:12):
you guys. Did y'all have a white kicker or punter?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Both white kicker and punter. Oh, we had a linebacker.
We had a yeh, we had a linebacker too. He
was a bad man.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
But that's what you know. But you you missed that.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I missed, you know, taking over, you know, going to Tuskegee,
going to uh we're Burlington, North Carolina. Just you know,
you you taking the bus. I mean it didn't know,
you know, playing It doesn't matter if it was like
I said, if it was an hour to Georgia Southern
and Statesboro or you going to Tuskegee or you going
to North Carolina, it didn't matter. Spartanburg, South Carolina, didn't matter.
(29:48):
You're on that bus. Yeah, we would take.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
We take that ten hour bus ride to Houston for
Prairie View, Texas Southern. We take the ten hour bus
ride to Alabama and dam Alabama State.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
My first flight in my life was we got paid
to come play U tip so we flew down in Utup.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
They paid us to beat on us. Yeah, whatever, that
was my first time. I'm trying to think what if
oh first time on the flight. I think I went
to Black College, All American. I think I went to Pittsburgh.
I think maybe I flew to see my brother play.
Oh yeah, but other than now, but now you wouldn't
(30:27):
taking it. You wouldn't. But you missed that because guess
what we could stop by a convenience store. They was like,
man the guy was like because I was, I was,
I was the captainist. Ted saw the man like man
shop man I'm hungry. Man, have Coach David to stop
by the stop by the convenience store. I'm like, I'm like,
coach Man, I'm honging, coach. Can we stopped by a
convenience store? Coach David looking at me, say all right, home,
(30:48):
we're gonna stop, but you're responsible for. You don't really
know what they're gonna do. They gonna clean the store out, y'all.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Y'all had that nil money back then?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, we had no nil money.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
That's why he told me I was responsible for him
to make sure they put iss their pockets. That's why
he told me I'm responsible for And I'm standing to
the door. Hey mm hmmm, take it out.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
O Joe?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
How did go Look he ain't stop everybody oo I did? Yeah,
he ain't see everything.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
But I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Let me tell you what I wouldn't do because I
was one of a few guys that had had a vehicle,
and they and people like Man to this day, they're
like man.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Shaw wouldn't give nobody ride. Bro.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I know who had stuff would follow them out the store.
I know who a bag of potato chip, soda, honey buns,
It would.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Follow you walk out the store behind you.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So no, you're not getting in my car because everybody
knew who my who I was, and what I drove. Man,
I just know they got in the car with Shannon.
It was Shannon Sharp. They ain't gonna say nothing else.
It was Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Oh no, even if you had a little honey Bunny
on slides, the little swist roll or something.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
He's three dollars but he gonna come out of there
with five dollars worth the stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
So no, no, he got something for you.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
No, oh no.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And the mall.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Never going to the mall with him, absolutely not. Tey,
What do you think about the locker room decision with
two of going through his third and fourth major concussion?
How do I mean? Look, you you can do all
you can try to protect the guy, but at some
point in time he got to protect himself. He has
to know when the journey's over. You can't. At no
situation should he be allowed. I don't know what he
(32:33):
was thinking, that you're gonna go ahead, that you're gonna
go head first on somebody knowing your history.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah, you know, he definitely, he's he has to be aware,
there's no question about it. And he is aware, but
even more and now it has to be proven on
on a weekly basis that he understands his importance and
impact to the to the team, to the franchise, to
the city. Without to under center, it's a different it's
a different team, it's a different look. But with him
(33:00):
under under center, I strongly believe Miami Dolphins can win
any game that he's the starting quarterback. So no, you're
you're having to when he gets thirty degrees, Oh, here
we go, let's get let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
But go ahead, but with ta go ahead with Tua. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
No, he has to know that.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
He has to know how much of a value PC
is and whatever it needs to do.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
But just just.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Knowing that God, knowing how much he loed a game
and the way.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
That he prepares.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Man, it's that competitiveness against Buffalo this year, we're stagnant offensively,
we get a drive going and he's trying to extend
on the third down to try to get another first
down and just he can't.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Be the one to do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
But it's just him being a competitor, trying to trying
to wield a team.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, I think I think I talked uncle and I
talked about this last last year sometime when he when
he went out. I just think he has to learn
to fall a little better and understanding. But Whin went
to specially, I remember that first down we went head first,
he still got he got up.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
Yeah, it was like one of the moments where you'd
be like, ah.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, hold your breath moment.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
They just know when the journeys over.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, no knowing when the journey's over, and then when
he gets hit, knowing how to fall correctly, you know,
especially when you go when you go back and you
don't try to do your best. I know it's hard,
but I was. It's something that I trained myself to do.
Is when you get tackled, you going backwards, try not
to let your head hit the back of the back
of the back of the ground as hard as it does.
(34:28):
What I used to do is if I get hit
hard and I know it's backwards, I'm going backwards, I
would tighten thep my core and try to keep my
head up right the best I can, the best I can,
just so I don't get that boom, that that that
that initial shock which causes cause the.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's the one though, the one that you falling back
hit the head, that's the one that's Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
One when I do my best like I'm holding the ball,
but I do my best as if I'm as if
I'm bear hugging dude.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
You know, in a sense obviously literally bear hugging.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I'm just saying, trying to keep my body and my
upper body and torso as close to him as possible
even on impact, just so most of the force isn't
the back of the head bouncing off.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
How you feel about them guys on the sideline that
they jump out of bound or or are you trying
to fall forward for the few more yards?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
What?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
What do you think about that? It all depends in
his situation. He can't do it, not even on four
because he's too valuable. He gets down and he gets dean,
what have you done? Okay, you got the first down.
Now your backup has to come in and finish out
the ball game and your trime. Example Peyton Manning. Once
Peyton Manning hurt that neck, they never let him do
(35:36):
quarterbacks to Nick again. Yeah, if you notice, they don't
let Patrick Mahons since he hurt his knee. They don't
let Patrick Mahons do go straight into the line of scrimmage.
You see, you have to protect the guy.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
No, that's the fact, that's the fact.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
He's gonna have. They're not gonna let him do. Obviously,
you wouldn't do no touch push with tour. But second
of all, Bro, you got slide. It's okay, it's okay
the slide. I'm not looking at no quarterback. Oh he
tough for what. You're not used to taking those links
like that, and they're looking to punish you because you
(36:10):
don't have the protection of the pocket, because once you
leave that pocket, you're a runner.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
So I'm gonna hit you like Dare Henry
Speaker 3 (36:16):
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