October 3, 2025 • 60 mins
Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to a Thursday Night Football where Mac Jones and the San Francisco 49ers defeated Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams. Later, they react to the Cleveland Browns benching Joe Flacco and starting Dillon Gabriel, and whether Gabriel took shots fellow rookie teammates Shedeur Sanders in his press conference.
Timeline:
00:00 - 49ers beat Rams
11:50 - Dillion Gabriel Browns QB1
18:00 - Players getting fined
24:00 - CJ Stroud Feeling Old
32:00 - Philly to Trade AJ Brown?
41:30 - Tua avoiding concussions
49:15 - New kicking ball rule
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome back to d BO and Joe. I'm your host,
James D. Boat Harrison and I'm here with my co
host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe.
You don't want to miss nothing. Joe, how you doing
O A and London with all that Brown's gear on.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm doing great. Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Brown's London Takeover is happening right now. Yesterday we went
out on a boat, met with like two hundred and
fifty fans.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Me and my man Josh Cribs.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Okay with me having a state.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, definitely. He told us he'd be watching it. He
be tapped into the to the other podcast. He showed
He definitely showed love.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, definitely definitely. Yeah, that's my guy. You know that
was our quarterback my senior year. He was he was
he was our starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So yeah, I got I got the.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
To have a hot little year with him, a little
like a little like a little vic over there.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know what I'm saying. Man and his cribs are
so good. Bro. You know he from DC.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We from the same area, so he was the man
back at the crib. They went to Kent then I
was able to play with him in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So fire, Oh yeah, man, let's get this started. Brother.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So the Rams went on ahead and uh, I would say,
lost it in overtime or however you want to do it.
But the four of the Niners ended up beating the Rams,
and uh, you know, the first quarter, it kind of
started off like smooth for San France, dude. They went
down the field, they scored a touchdown, They scored a
(01:38):
touchdown on the first drive, and they had like two penalties,
bro it was a false start in a in a
holding and they still were able to go down there
and get a touch and then you know, La gets
to rock the next possession and they sacking they put
him behind the chains, prevotting, you know, and then the
preceding possession they got two fourth downs. They they conferred
(02:00):
to San Francisco conferred the two fourth downs, dude. And
oh they also had a rough in the penalty that
helped him get an extra fifteen.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
But it's fourteen nothing now. La then comes out and
they actually are driving the ball and fumble. San Francisco recovered.
But they got lucky there that you know, San fran
didn't make nothing of it, and.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
They got the ball back, I believe with no, we're
still in there. So they went on ahead and I
think they scored a touchdown. The next drive.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
They ended up I believe, taking advantage of a rookie
out there.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I think what was his name. I think it's number
was twenty or something. They they they kind of used
him on the drive, you know what I'm saying. It
was going to smack at him. Yeah, they was going out.
I think Davante he got a couple penalties and all that,
but they ended up scoring that first touchdown. So it
was I think it was seven to fourteen by then,
and right before the half, san Franz was a to
(03:00):
get get a field goal. Ended up halftime seventeen to seven. Yeah,
So once they came back out, you know, La goes
to driving again. They're doing pretty good, but the field
goal kicker he misses the field goal, dude, like, so
san fran gets the ball back. That next possession, they
(03:20):
get a field goal. That's twenty to seven. I'm thinking,
maybe it might be a little less competition than I thought.
And then the boy Stafford comes alive. Dude, he get
Pooker involved.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
They score on back to back possessions, but the extra
point on the second touchdown is blocked. Bro, twenty to
twenty tie going in. I'm like, okay, we got action, Bro,
it is a game. Yes, we got a good game here.
(03:52):
I don't care when you know what I'm saying. I
just want to Hey, you want to see good football.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, and Frank go on head down there and they
or a field goal, but they gave Stafford like three minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's way just under three minutes, dude, that's way too
much time, bro. And La is driving down there and
they get the like two bru. Dude fumbles the rock.
San Fran recovers. I'm thinking game over with yeah, yeah,
(04:26):
like it's done, Like everything is going to be over
with from here. And La gets the ball back with
like forty something seconds left, dude, and they end up
getting the field goal to uh regulation, Yeah, to end regulation.
(04:48):
It's tied up again. They jump into overtime. San Fran
kicks the field gold and overtime they're able to do that,
but you know, they got the two possession thing going
on right now where you get a chance. Yeah, and
then La goes for it on fourth down, Bru and
fourth and one do not get it and then you
(05:10):
know it's overweight. That's the end of the thing. That's
the end of overtime.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Game over What do you think you think they should
have went for it on fourth down? What do you
think of the call of LA going forward on fourth
down and overtime?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I like the coach trying to win the game, you
know what I'm saying, Like, end of the day, it's
fourth and one. We need one yard. Can we get
a yard to win the game? You know what I'm saying,
And just go out here and not do no ties.
Like I appreciate him playing to win and not playing
the plan to tie or plan to lose. I think
he shows his players like, man, I believe, let's get
this fourth and one. Let's go down here and score
(05:41):
and walk out of the stadium with a dub. You
know what I'm saying. So you can look at it
both ways. Man, kick the field goal, tie it up,
see what you're gonna do. But at the end of
the day, I like the coaches gonna believe in my squad,
we got one yard, Let's get this fourth and one.
Let's penaggle and get this touchdown and walk out of
the stadium with a dub. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm not mad at them. You look crazy when you
(06:02):
don't get it. Your lineman look crazy like you're running
back everybody. You got smacked and stopped for four for one.
So you feel like it, like you feel like it's
the wrong decision. But if they would have made that,
then everybody would be looking like, oh yeah, there we go,
believing like we can make these This is our coach
believes in us.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right now they look silly, But.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think they look silly because for me, you had
an extra point that was blocked, miss the field goal
and we're in overtime. It could be maybe a block
a miss. You know what, it's only a yard. We
can get a yard. Like, totally agree with it. Would
it did the same thing because looking at the tie,
(06:41):
a tie feels like a loss to me, dude, I
don't like.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You all that for nothing, like yeah, a tie, It
just it just feels it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Feels too much like a loss to me. Bro I
can't I can't work with that. And you know, even
with Saint fran still won. I mean they losing a
couple of players that were hurt that ended up getting
hurt and not having everyone there that was already you know,
hurt and not able to play. Do you think that
(07:11):
Mac Jones is better than Party or do you think
that he he is compared to Do you think we
have a quarterback maybe issue, not issue, but we have
a quarterback competition, like you just I understand you just
(07:32):
paid this man a bunch of money, but it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Looks like to me.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Just from you know, looking at the you know, the
eye test, I need a quarterback that could come in
there make plays and not turn the ball over because
all my other pieces can help him win as long
as he's able to you know, contribute and not doing
anything to hurt us.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I feel I think, I like, I like Rock
Party more than I do like Mac Jones. I just
think that it's kind of sucks when he doesn't have
all his weapons, you know what I'm saying. Like there's
a lot of injuries over there in San fran And
I think that that's not really that that's not helping him.
I think when he had all of his when when
he first came in there, he had everybody, he had
(08:18):
his whole arsenal, he had his tight end, he had Kittle,
he had running back there healthy so he was able
to kind of get the ball around a lot more.
And I think now with him not having as many resources,
it's kind of making them look not obviously not as
good because you don't have the talent around him. But
I don't think he's like A He's just a do
it all quarterback. He's not going to make he's not
going to elevate your whole team. He's gonna be a
(08:40):
piece that's can be able to keep it consistent and
be able to make sure once everybody's there, I'm not
going to fuck it up.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but you got you
got Mac out here with none of that. And no,
I didn't expect him to win this game. I'm not
gonna lie to you. I just I just thought that,
you know, with the defensive line of LA that you
know it was it was god Max.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
But no, we're talking about Mat Jones. Was a quarterback
for the goddamn Patriots. No he's not a Stafford.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
No he's not. He's not bro. He's the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Now for for uh for l A, I mean for
the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Sorry damn see I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, for show for show. That's what I'm saying.
He went out there and did all that game.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
MAC backing up party saying do you think he easy to.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Get a chance to get out there.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I ain't saying he should get a chance to get
out there. I'm just saying, right now, I got you know,
I got a pistol sitting in my pocket right now,
and I've done seeing what he could do without all
the weapons.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And I don't see what my other guy does with
all the weapons.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
What do it look like if I get an opportunity
to give him all the weapons? I understand, like he
didn't do well in New England, but you got a difference.
He got a call, he got somebody calling the right place.
That's I guess obviously fitting. You know what he can
do at that position. I mean he got a whole
you know, he got he got a he got c
C CMC, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's that's two players right there, that's right. I can
the receiver.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So with that combination, do we really need do we
really need to go out here and get a one
hundred and fiftywo hundred million dollars quarterback? Do we or can we?
Can we work with you know what we have right
here in Mac.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
No. I mean, I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That makes complete sense because Mac did he Mac Mac
didn't look crazy out there in New England didn't have
that nowhere near that. I think the offensive skill talent
that uh that San Francisco has. So if you get
give him the chance to be able to be back
there with some dogs, I think he might look like
you said, he might look real good.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Looking good right now? Or is it or is it
the play calling? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I mean it's a combination of all that too, but
I mean, he looking good. We might have a little
bit quarter controverse, you know what I'm saying. I don't
know for sure you can get a quarterback controverse. Uh
they say Dylan Gabriel year oh my for the Browns.
So uh they said he was throwing a sublingual type
(10:58):
you know hit that. I think we got the sound
by right here. Listen to it here though.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I smile because it's like a moment you prep for
and you are extremely excited for, but also got to
realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued
to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time.
You know you're gonna wait a whole lifetime. So for me,
I'm just I've always been ready for every moment.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So do you think that is throwing some shade at
your door? Not going and taking that opportunity to maybe
go to Baltimore and you know, hindsight fifty to fifty
know in the future he would be starting right now.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Do you think that's what it is? That's what they're
trying to say. I didn't get that off that. Did
you get that off that debot? No?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I got I got I got none of that off that, dude.
I got none of that off that. So I feel
like you got people out here.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, they reached and they reach out, chasing, They looking
for something that they could write and read about.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I don't understand how that even you know, flipped over
to that. Now you see why Shador went and did
a mind interview, because if you don't say nothing, they
can't twist nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, everybody is so fucking messy when it comes to
this because it's Dylan Gabriel and it's Shador.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You can't say nothing. Dylan didn't say nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I felt like that was attacking your door, and if
Shador says anything, they're gonna crucify the man. So he
tries not to. Then he's gonna then he's gonna mind you.
So like I feel him, you can't win for losing,
you know what I'm saying. And I don't think Dylan
said anything going at your door in that sound bite.
He's just trying to He's trying to avoid controversy. He's saying,
(12:45):
I'm just waiting for my opportunity, you know, da da dada.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Like what can the kid say?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't think that
they're trying to switch up stuff and put them into
like real there's a quarterback battle obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Listen, man, they're trying to say that. You know, they're
trying to say a little bit of every thing.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Sor had a famous song in twenty four It was
called perfect timing.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So they trying to they trying to connect everything to
something like dude, just.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Everything bust out my ap perfect time.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Right, Like come on, man, Like, don't you can't say
nothing like it's listen, I don't believe he's going that
deep into depth to be able to soon as something
comes up, you know, a perfect time.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Man, come on, oh man, dude is trying. I think
he's trying. He's trying to get ready. He's Dylan, and
I'm rooting for Dylan. I'm rooting for Dylan gabro. It's
not his bad that he was drafted third round. It's
not his bad that he's in the position that he's in.
And every time I've seen him in the preseason, he
hasn't looked bad. He's looked like he knew a little something.
Like he's throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I love the snap. He gets the ball out fast.
So I'm rooting for him. I want him to be
out there and be successful. But it's just when you
have Shador on your team, everybody anything the kid does,
they maximize it. He tries to chill. He's been trying
to you know what I'm saying, work, get it done.
And now him not even be in the backup quarterback.
(14:10):
That's kind of He's just if I was your door.
I feel some type of way because I know him
a baller, I know what I got and I just
have to keep it humble.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I'm keeping it chill. I'm trying to be as professional
as possible, but as soon as.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I say something, now I can't say anything. So I
feel for him. I know he's just trying to wait
for his opportunity and then it's just another slap in
the face to win. It's like, now you're not even
going to be the backup to him. So if Flaco
is backing up Dylan Gabriel, so I just feel I
feel bad for your door because I know he wants
to play. He knows the skill set that he has,
and he just wants to be able to go out
(14:44):
and perform. There's nothing he can do, nothing he could
talk about. He's the backup quarterback. So why you keep
putting the camera in my face? Don't ask me no QUESTIONSGGA,
like they need something to talk about, dude, they need that.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I don't understand why all these words this is doing,
especially a lot of them being like you're in Cleveland,
Like I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't understand clout for Chase.
You know, Joe said to get caught up somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, Joe said on the bench, he said, I don't
think I foresaw it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
What do he mean that he don't think he foresaw it.
I don't. I don't understand that, Like, what didn't you foresee, Joe?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
You got what six picks one touchdown in four games?
They drafted two quarterbacks just in case they got like
a what was it a third and the fifth?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And like, what didn't you foresee?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like it was some point in time that if things
weren't going well, which they aren't, like you don't throw.
You done threw more picks six times, more picks than
touch Like that's crazy. The writing was on the wall. Yeah,
what what didn't you? I mean unless your vision done
went bad too?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Joe? I love that one could see you couldn't see
the couldn't fol see that.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That would have been in the back of my head, like, uh,
this boy in here, I guess it might be.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Man, I think it would be my time right behind him,
that man getting a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
He got some first team reps. Hold up, now you
know what I'm saying? Oh oh man, Yeah, I don't
know how you didn't fo see that one? Brother? No, Like, oh,
he's wilding. I think he he he.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I don't know. I don't know why he did. I
think he lied, But you had to see it. I
think he lied. They drafted two quarterbacks and you've been
playing bad and you've been in the league.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
For seventeen eighteen years. You know this is how this
go right. You are right there, you are holding down
the fort until you not, and you wasn't. So they're
gonna be the young bulls like, yeah, it's you. Wasn't
you like you said, you weren't holding on the fort
like they got two young boys in there.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
They got you there. Just yy you go ahead, try
and show him something we could if we could win
with you.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
We'll do it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
We know, you know, maybe they ain't ready, wouldn't want
to throw him into the fire yet, but now you
know what it done got hot. You know, we might
mess around lose our jobs. So we got to go
ahead and see.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What we could do with what we went out here
and drafted. See if he could give us some hope.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
For you know, the next for the rest of the
season rather you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So my guy,
Deshaun Elliott, he over here. He had a profane rant.
I guess he's posted his he gotta find he told
him counter fucking days, y'all worried about the wrong thing.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
We gotta we got a picture of that. Let's fix
the things that actually mean something. He can't find by
the team or by the league.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
He got fined by the league, and he tagged the
NFL and the nfl PA. Now he's upset that he
got fined for wearing a I believe it was a
black tie.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What do you what do you think about this? Man?
You know how that is the bo he said. Listen, man,
he said, y'all worried about the wrong thing. Let's fix
the things that actually mean something.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I mean, some of the ship is it's cold, it's
dress code like socks. I would get fined all the
time for my socks. If your knees being exposed, you
know what I'm saying. Your and then in Cleveland, sometimes
your cleats have to.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Be Look here, Joe, let me let me tell you, Joe,
this is where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He tagged the NFL and nfl P A nfl p
A executive directed, that's go be me, okay, Yes, yes,
I'm the person that you you would be talking to. Now, Yes,
here is what it is. Hey, Ellie, don't you come
at me with this bullshit.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know damn well, you can't be wearing a different
colored towel and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
They go through the whole dress code. So if you
want to do something out there, just like Joe said,
you go get a fine for showing your knees. You
go get a fine for not wearing your socks how
you're supposed to wear them.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're working for the NFL and the stillers. You know
that was coming, So don't bring this bullshit to my
table when I'm NFL PA executive director.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Okay, you knew what you were doing, Debo. That's exactly right.
Because when I go out that joint and they telling
me your knees is out, Joe, you're gonna get fined
for that. They make sure when you come back in
the locker room they let you know what's good what's not,
and you got marny towels.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And if they don't catch it, don't mean they ain't
gonna catch it later on during the rest of the
thing and find you on Wednesday or Monday or Tuesday,
whatever it is. You know, you know what you're doing wrong?
That is it is. You know what it looked like, bro,
I know my socks are little what you think. Damn yeah, yeah,
I know it ain't right, but you know what, I'm
gonna take whatever that find is because it's worth it
(19:42):
for me to look like this. Nah, I ain't taking
no fine, I be uniformed out. I'll be head to
toe a to Z one two three and you let
you find the money fine.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And you won't and you won't get fined for that though.
So like at the end of the day, there ways
you can put your gear on right color and still
look as sweet as you want to, still look as
fresh as you want to. But there is rules to
make us look uniform to make everybody look like we're
professional football.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Teams out there.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
That's why the college football having a jersey all rolled
up in the stomach.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Stomach's out.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
You know what I'm saying, No, no knee pass, basically
just thigh pass out there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Like they look like they're playing in the backyard.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Sometimes, you know what I'm saying, Some of the players like, dude,
you don't look cool, you look bad.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
But your jersey like that doesn't look cool. You look
kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So I think that there's reason why you have to
have certain things in the league. And you may think
it's like, oh man, it's petty shit, But that's why
we are a professional. Everybody looks like it looks like
the NFL out there because we have to be to
check dress code exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Dude, you're working for somebody else. Man, you working in
Nate and they come to they got a dress I
would taking that fine.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So when sometimes if you want to be cool and
wear something different, he just know take it on the head.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I did it because I was trying to be sweet.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
He has every team has a guy that marks everything down.
You want to go up to him and be like, yo,
am I good with this? Am I good with that?
When you know you got something bad on, he's gonna
let you know. He gonna tell you like you gonna
take You took a chance, man, you took a chance,
you got caught, and now.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You upset.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't know why. I don't understand it, because you
knew what the penalty would be.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Like.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's that's there. I was never one that was like,
you know what, man, I gotta take this.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You know, ten fifteen thousand dollars fine because I gotta
look good. I gotta make sure I got no I
was taking to find something. I'm gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Sometimes I was doing the socks a little bit. They
was giving me my socks. I'm like, I don't need
my knees covered. I don't feel as fast. I'm sorry.
So sometimes I'm like this man, y'all, y'all, I'm out
of there, nigga my knees out. So and I knew
I was gonna get that fine. I was gonna get
hit sometimes with the visors. You know, you can't wear
dark visors unless you have the screw of script. Yeah,
(22:00):
they'll be telling Joe, I wear it for pregame.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You gotta take that out, Joe.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Right, how many guys wear advice for pregame and come
back out. So a lot of the times the dude
may not even say nothing to you because he's like, oh,
this is your program. Look, you're gonna come back out
and you're gonna be in the right attire. So they
don't want to sit there marking down sixty five things.
When the dudes come back out, it's all gone like, yep,
it don't it don't. Yeah, you're not you're not getting
(22:25):
no getting this. Yeah, you're not getting no support over
here for this man. That's that's just that's just not
how it might be. These young players. Man like it,
don't it don't make no sense. He's talking about they
worried about the wrong thing. I think you might be
worried about the wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
If they strive, he said. He said he lost his
athleticism at twenty three. Listen, listen to what he said, man.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Twenty three, I'm not like fully in my grown man
bodies all the way. You know, I'm still growing every
like every year, and I just think like I got
to just continue to be harder myself about not only
just lifting waste, but eating the right foods.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Like that's been a big thing too.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
So yeah, that's just a thing where I think the
explosiveness comes from, like being better with my diet, being
better with you know, stretching, and like I feel like
I'm getting old, So I got it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I'm not. I'm not as quick as I used to be.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I was watching my high school stuff a couple of
days ago.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was I was like one eighty and I was
rolling and I no more.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But yeah, I try to just be better with that
stuff so I can run fast, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But you are you got to say about that? Man,
Hey man, c J.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Strout Man, That's that's an unathletic answer. Like at twenty three,
you're supposed to be your grind. That's where you're just
like twenty three to twenty six, that's when you're the
best of the best of the best that you could
ever be athletically. I mean, for me, I was peak,
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you know what I'm saying, Like right around that age,
like that's when you got your grown masks.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You're starting to get into your grown mass jump. You're
not eighteen nineteen, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Saying, Like you you getting it, you feel it, You're
starting to grow into your body by that time, two
three years in the league, Like, boy, this is supposed
to be the best version of yourself that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
So I understand, Like when you're being being able to
diet better, you know what I'm saying, like understanding your
food and being able to take care of your body more. Well,
he's trying to say you just dieting better in high
school than he was. That's a pro That makes me crazy.
To me, dude, you're a twenty three year old at
twenty three, Bro, I could go three days no sleep.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Rise, sunshine, all that. Yes, party to the wheels who
fell off, still be at the gym by six seven.
I do that every three days straight. Before I was like,
you know what, I might need to get some sleep.
M h, No for sure, what what are you talk
Maybe he's just joking, man, I got it. He talking
about he hit a wall a wall at twenty three,
twenty four, Stop playing, man, stop playing. You want to
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see a wall, It's a little wall at thirty it's
another wall at thirty five. If you're blessed enough to
be around the league that long, then you go really
hit some walls. And if you talking like this right
now at twenty three, I don't know, the Texas might.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Want to be looking for another quarterback because you already
giving me the you know, the perception that you personally
thinking in your head that you ain't got what you
had in high school right now. That is not something
that I want to hear from my quarterback, who I
don't supposed to make my franchise player for the next
hopefully six eight years. Nah, that ain't what I'm looking for.
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Maybe we might have to start looking for another one
to pick up well.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Like I said, I just that doesn't sound that doesn't
sound too positive. I mean, I hope at the end
of the day, I like to see jes Straw. He's
a great kid. I think that he just I don't know,
he needs to talking about his food, talking about his
workouts and all that stuff. I think that's something where like, dude,
that's what you like, be on that. What are we
talking about. This is where you're supposed to be building
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up to this stuff, to getting getting better. It seems
like he's like no, Like I mean, I don't know.
It didn't seem like a real good It didn't seem
athletic to me.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's for damn. That's what I mean. You're supposed to,
you know, like you're supposed to grow, get better, get
all that.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Like even when when I came in, you know, my.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
First two thousand and two until about two thousand and
five six around there, Oh, like you said, I'm burning
the candle at both ends.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But then I'm like, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
What, man, like this game can help me get like
generational wealth.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Man. I got to be able to play this as
long as I can.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So from two thousand and about five six, I started
cutting things out. I'm like, you know what I'm not
you know, I'm not drinking. You know, during the week,
I changed my diet.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
You know, I started eating clean, I started eating better,
eating out, you know, two three times a day.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Now I was doing you.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Know, meals that were made at home, that was made
with good you know, good good quality food all that.
So yeah, and then from that, I was like, you
know what, I'm not going to drink during the week,
but I'll party on the weekend and in the off season.
And then as that time progressed, I'm like, you know what,
from me doing that, I saw results. You know what
(27:25):
I'm gonna do now is I'm not gonna I'm not
going to drink during the season at all, you know
what I'm saying. And that would be like, Okay, I'm
gonna have a couple of drinks or something when we
do our rookie dinner or something like that. You know,
that would be the tib I would drink, but I
would still do something in the off season.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Then I got to wear you know what, I'm getting older.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I can't even I can't even go hard do nothing
like that in the off season. So I got to where,
you know, I would be almost year round and wouldn't
have no alcohol. The easiest way to stay in shape
is to never get out of shape. I didn't take
as much time off any more, you know, where when
I was younger, you know, I may take off six
weeks or something.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Now I'm like, you know what, I got a week.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I'm a chill, especially you know, if I'm hurt, something's hurt,
trying and get my body right, whatever that may be,
and then I'm you know, I'm right back at it.
That's one of the you know, that's one of the things.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
But to say this.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
At twenty three, like that's that's wild, dude up place
I was thirty nine years old, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's not what if? For shure, you're from a position
that you know, guys are playing, you know, well into
the late thirties some early forties, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah no, and then you at the quarterback position too. Man,
we're gonna need you for the long haul. And that's
not really sounding like that you think you're gonna have
like that, you're it sounds like you like you're it
may the end of your career. Might not be as
long as the beginning, you know what I'm saying, Like
I was thinking, like you're prepping up for something, but
it seems like you're already like, oh man, I'm getting
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up there. Like, no, you're not. You're not getting up there.
You still have had your first contract yet.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like we still talking as as I used to be.
I can't run.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You still didn't get you get your position that you're
at now. You need to be getting more knowledge, understanding
and reading things fast. Do you think Tom Brady stayed
around that long because he was fast? And no, no,
stayed that loan because he could see it, read it
and understand it and get it out. Like, yes, you
need athletic ability and all the other stuff, but dude,
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the position you're in, you need to see it and
get it out. Like, don't twenty three saying that and
you're just twenty Nah, I don't. I don't like that
at all anymore I think about it, the more it
kind of disturbs me.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, no, for sure, man, twenty three years old, that's
just not That's not something that you want to hear
from a.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Twenty three year old player at all.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I mean I think I could I can respect him,
but saying about his athleticism and maybe that might that's
not a strength.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
We never look at him as a blazer, like that's
something that ohyeah, you see, he's going to use his
legs and get.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Out of there.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
No, so I can I can understand, like he's not
the most athletic person at all. But I just don't
want you to be sounded like my quarterbacks getting old.
It may just be talking just like you know, you're
talking negatively about yourself, like I don't like the mindset
that's coming from me.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
You know what, they already gonna talk bad about you. CJ.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Don't do it to yourself, right right, don't don't don't
give him more fuel for the fire man like and
you know, actually to say it to the media like
right there, you know, even with a laugh, like I
don't like that's something that obviously is in his head.
Like I'm not looking at my high school film, bro,
I'm playing the game. Why am I looking at high schooler? Like,
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oh man, I just felt like I was faster. No
I should I shouldn't. I should be able to destroy
high school me. You know what I'm saying. No, comparison
to high.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
School me, did anything flick at the wrists, Like, man,
you were sixteen, seventeen years old, and it's like, that's
what I'm saying. You were a kid and now you've
grown man twenty three and we're talking about you getting old. No, no,
and you're still young. You're still a young man. You've
just been able to you've been past twenty one for
two years. You can you just can rent a car.
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You can't even in the car. He came in the
car yet an adult until you can rent a fucking car.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Man. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Maybe it's maybe it's the young players. Man who knows
so we over here Philly man. I guess multiple execs
thinks that they have an issue over there and that
A J. Brown Jeremy Foley thinks that A J. Brown
could be traded this offseason. I guess his relationship or
black thereof you know, he had his tweet that he
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said and he had to do some I guess explaining
over that issue. Do you think that they'll be able
to to keep that together?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Do you think his do you understand? Do you do
you believe it's frustrate?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
This is as cool as it's you know, it's warranted,
Like how do you believe this situation will come out?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And do you think that it's a better way for
him to handle it.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I think that aj Brown knows he's a baller and
numbers are the reason why you get paid at receiver
and it's a team sport. But you know that when
you get to that table those dude's gonna be looking
at it like this, oh yo has only had six
hundred yards for forty catches, Like they're gonna make him,
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They're gonna add his value is going to be on
his numbers. We know that he didn't get any worse.
He's still that dude. He can still be making you
know what I'm saying, like fifteen hundred yards. We know
if he gets the opportunities. So he's kind of looking
at it like I want to be helping the team.
I know that we can I can get a jump start,
Like he's not. I don't feel like he's trying to
be negative, But at the end of the day, he
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knows he can affect the game and help the team out,
so he wants to be or in fact, he wants
to help the squad.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You got to get your numbers when you know when
you're trying to get back to that table.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
So they can't just him. Did they pay him yet?
Oh yeah, they paid him. What did he get When
are they paying?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I mean I can't say exactly, but I know he
getting I know he getting paid. He up there, he
getting probably around third I think he'd get around thirty years.
So he's knowing that end of the day, he has
to keep those numbers. He performing, he knows he can
do it. He's not trying to take away from the team,
but he just wants he just wants to help, you
know what I'm saying, And he knows that if his
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numbers aren't looking good. It's not all about the numbers,
but when you get to that table as a wide receiver,
it's numbers, you know, at that position.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I understand his frustration.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
He only got you know, fourteen pass I think one
hundred and fifty one yards or something like that, twenty
eight targets and.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That's not really good.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
But you got to look at it, like you said,
you're four and oh, I mean they only averaging one
hundred and thirty eight yards passing the game understand his
current pace. He looking at what six hundred and forty yards,
six hundred and four touchdowns. Maybe he got like a
yards and catch incentives since he's already paid, but who,
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you know, who knows. But I think it's a better
way for him to like like deal with this and
like putting out tweets and all that is not it
unless he got cried to deal with it on the
inside and it's not working. But again, Eoe, you're you're
four and oh, and you know he says when they're struggling,
you know, you know, he wants to be da da
da da. I mean, every team struggles throughout the period
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of game, but you ain't struggled enough to even lose
a game yet, So you know, like I said to
be coming out, you know, with the cryptic tweets that
they're you're.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Four and oh, I.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Understand, but I don't understand. You know, on his side,
I can understand because he's a player.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
He you know, he's he's a person that has to.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Do what's best for him, or get what's best for
him to be able to get the numbers so that
he can maximize all the benefits that he's looking for.
And then you know, as a coach sitting back like, yo,
we're doing what's necessary to win. We're four and oh
like you know what are we talking about? That's like me,
you know, screaming and hollering that you know, hey man,
I ain't got no sacks. We ain't you know whatever,
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We ain't. Listen, we're playing you know, whatever it may be,
and we don't need to because we're foreign.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Oh and I don't Yeah, I don't under.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It gets it gets to it gets to a numbers game,
and especially at the big numbers, bro receiver, like, you're
not going to make no Pro Bowl, no all thro
with these numbers, and those are your things. When you're
trying to go home, when you're trying to make your
career and trying to make a statement for yourself, it's like, oh, Jo,
you had forty catches with six hundred and fifty odds. Ah,
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that's not all. That's not Hall of Fame activity, you
know what I'm saying. So when you trying to create
your resume as a player and just not all like
when we say this, numbers don't tell me.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
This, tell me this, yo. If you were playing receiver, yes,
receiver would you rather go for fifteen hundred yards six
years straight or you go for under a thousand for
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six straight, but you get two super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Mhmm.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I'm going to go with I'm gonna go with the
super Bowls. But debo, I'm gonna go with the super Bowls.
I'm about to go to the super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
If I was a receiver, you gotta do is look
behind me. I know, I see, I see yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'm just saying, you know, for me, yeah yeah yeah. Personally,
you know, what would you do fifteen hundred or.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Or here's the crazy thing, dude, I've asked guys this question.
Would you go in and make double what you made
over your career but have no Super Bowls?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Or make half of what you made over your career
but have super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Here's the crazy thing.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
The guys that never went to a super Bowl or
won or super Bowl, most of them take the money.
The guys that went to a super Bowl and didn't win.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
A super Bowl would take the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And guys like me who have super Bowls went to
the super Bowls, won and lost. I'm keeping my super Bowls.
I don't need to double my my net where another repect?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, I ain't never had one, So I'm a double
I'm a double my bag.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, I don't. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Like and like you said, you just signed what was it,
three year ninety six million, eighty four million guaranteed just
last year like that, that's a J.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Brown receiver guaranteed period. I'm talking about Brown.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told you I knew he got
the bag, like you got the bag.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Like, okay, let's start tripping maybe after this year, maybe
next year, like yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Because you still three years. Because that's the part too.
You in the guarantee, You in the guarantee. You're in
the guaranteed situation right now for the this year thirty
to the good guaranteed. Okay, so we ain't gotta even
worry about nothing four out of nightt shit? Who but
another thirty something to the good. Hey, we got to
worry about oh contract. See hey listen, we're coming up
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on that last year. Now, let's say you, I mean,
were coming up on that last year.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I need twelve fifteen hundred, now twelve fifteen hundred, do
you hear me? I need twelve fifteen hundred? But sure.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Right now though, when you're making that good money, you're chilling.
Your team's winning right now, she got two years. He
could really be on some chill, chilling because that guarantee.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Is coming in. You know, you wanted to be good.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
So just.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
To get you another, to get you another two super Bowls,
you know, and you're coming to that last one.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Now, I gotta eat. I got to. I got the
guys eat like we got time. That ain't the case.
Ain't now that guaranteed up? You know, that's time for me,
I do. I got a slot.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
And at the same time, to Eagles, they're paying him
thirty million dollars to not even go too crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
So I'm like you, I mean, how they're using you.
They're not blaming you. They're not blaming you.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
You ain't you got eighty four guarantee. You can't go
nowhere for the next two years at least. Let's let's
chill back.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Don't get you in practice, get all that you.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Know your right, Get your drugs on, man, Just make
sure them things is ready. Just get the drug machine going,
and you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Be solid while you collect.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah sure, yeah, jump down in Miami, man, that uh
tua said that he is now focused on carbs and
fluids to avoid concussions.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
What do you think of that, Like, what's your what's
your take on.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That you believe that's I mean, I know fluids, yes, definitely,
because you can't be definitely hydrated. I understand. I understand
the carbs too, because like you're basic, like their brain
basically needs some form of glucose, like good carbs, not
bad carbs, not all that artificial refined stuff, you know
what I'm saying. And that's why some people who do
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like low carb or no carb diets, they get what
you call like, uh, it's like brain fog. You know,
your your brain needs some sort of some sort of
what they call it, uh, cerebral cerebral suck, rebrial rebral glucose.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
So it helps to you know, be some people.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And like it's for individual individually too, Like I know
I can function on no carbs. I'm used to doing it.
I've been able to do it. Some people they can't function, Dude,
They can't. They can't remember where they you know, where
they set their keys, you know, two minutes after they
drop them down. Another thing is next strength, dude. A
lot of people don't understand this, dude. Next strength is
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one of the mitigating factors for concussion. The stronger your
neck is, the less likely you are to get a concussion.
Like that's something I used to always have, the four
way neck. You're not doing here here here, yes, yes, yes,
that's conference all that you know, ad Because when you.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Get when you get a lot of them percussions too,
when they hit their back, hitting their head just snapped
back to the ground.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You got that your next strongest ship. Your head ain't
just going all over.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Just pop and keep that. Like even when I was
doing the show wrestling heels, you get slammed on the mat.
What you're taught to do is slap like this. So
when you hit, you slap with your hands, but you
hold your head up so it's boom. Your head eventually
goes back, but it's not that you know where you
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just vamming it on that.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
You're not just whipping into the game, not just whipping
into the joint.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah yeah, So next, strength is a is a big thing.
And I understand the cars hydration, of course, you know
it helps, But if you really want to work on
your cussions, bruh, going there and getting that four way
neck all the neck exercise that you can get to
strengthen your neck.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, no, no, bullshit, that's definitely gonna help his ask.
I didn't know about the carbs though, I didn't know
about the carbs that could really help out.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, everybody's different, you know what I'm saying. Everybody's bodies different.
Some people can function without them, some people can't. Some people,
you know, figure out how to. It's just it's up
to you know, it's in each individual. You know, one
one thing, don't you know, work the same for everybody.
That's why it affects from here to there. And then
some people don't get none.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You know. That's a ship goes differently with different people.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, you had concussion before, because I know I had
a couple.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
I had well, you know when they considered Ringer Dingers,
Zingers all that, that's.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Oh nah, I'm talking about the real joint, the real
were you out like real you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
To sleep for a second year, I had.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
I had one more rookie year when I I was
I was actually playing the Detroit Dude. It was my
rookie year. Was the first time I think Clark Hagen's
had got uh got hurt. So I had to play
like a whole bunch of that. I had to do
kick off, kickoff return. So I played like three quarters, dude,
and I remember the tight end coming across blind on
he and next thing I know, they out there like, hey, hey,
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you're good.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'm like, what y'all doing out here? I'm like, it's
like it was what now that just hit the tight
What did you tell about? It's like no, I'm like, dude,
I wasn't out man, what y'all talking about?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
So I watched it, well, it didn't even have it
on the game copy, so you know, you go over
to the sideline, they say, okay, you know what's today?
Speaker 1 (44:44):
You got a chance at your Sunday Like yeah, I'm
like all right, cool. I mean I remembered everything that
that was an issue, and like, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
The next series on back in. You know, now you're done.
You know you was definitely oh for show. And then
I had one and Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
When I was in Cincinnati, bro, so I go and
this one I didn't remember, but I know I lost
track of time somewhere, but I played the whole time.
So I go and I hit it was contry. I'm blind,
don't even right, who right? So I get up and
I'm talking, and uh, I remember going to the next play,
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and then I don't remember nothing after that until I'm
standing on the sideline, bro. And I'm standing on the
sideline and we're playing in Pittsburgh and I'm with Cincinnati,
and I hear, you know, the crowd like just start
off quiet and loud. And as I started coming to
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I look and I'm like, I'm on the sideline and
they they must have just scored, because it's a whole
nother light, like fourteen points on the board or something, right,
I don't know what doesne happened?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
And I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my god,
I think I got a concussion.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
So now we know, you know, the side effects and
concussion and all that.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
And I'm sitting there and I'm.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Like, oh, I just missed some parts of this game.
I don't know how much football I have missed, right,
But I'm standing on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Bro Gary feeling here and I'm like scary feeling.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I'm like do I I'm like, do I tell him
I don't remember?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Do I have?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
And then now like I said, we got the knowledge,
and I'm like, nah, I'm like they ain't paying me
like that, that ain't worth my life. I'm like, yo,
I got a concussion. Bro, Like what I'm like, Yes,
I'm like, I don't remember nothing from the.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Brother you telling her that. I just came to just
I'm standing on it came to b and I just
came to man. I played like four or five more snaps.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
They ended up score and then it was like a
punt or something and they was returning the punt for
a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
And that's what woke me up. As I was standing
on the sideline. Bruh, that was the most area shit ever.
What was yours?
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Like?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Bro? Mine was kind of the same. I had one
and it was in the Ravens game. Bro.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I was going to go get a tackle and Do
was blocking me and had my arm and I couldn't put.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
My hand down. My head just bum busting to the ground.
Same way.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
All of a sudden, I just see people, Yo, you good,
you good, you good. I'm thinking it's just right like
like it happened, and not to open my eyes.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
It's probably been a good minute, you know what I'm saying.
And I'm looking around everybody. Nobody.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
I'm like, oh shit, walk me off to the sideline,
go to the back. Get to ask me what date
it was? Same thing you said, deepo Sunday. I don't
know the number of forty second fifty Sunday.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
We had Baltimore for shure. Yeah, I didn't remember. They
kept my ass out of there. But that was my
worst one. You had more than one that that was
out out.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
I had to I had too. What was the other one?
The other one? Think that's the crazy part. I'm trying
to remember the other one. I'm still concussed from that joint.
Let me stop laughing, bro man, listen, I don't know why, wen,
(48:21):
I don't know what that's and you know what, we
need to stop laughing.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
We laughing laughing to stop, but you gotta laugh keep
from crying.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Sometimes the sure Yeah that's that's somebody be the game,
they say. The new kicking ball procedures have drastically changed
field goals. Todd Bowle says long field goals are about
the terminator, about the terminal terminator, What the hell?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
I can't read that.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
It's about like kickers, terminator like kickers, like not the
kicking balls?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
What what? What? What is going on with the kick balls?
What's What's so?
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I think what's coming down is they're letting them do
the kicking balls now like they do the game boss.
You know how you get a game ball and you
grab it fresh out the box. It's slick, is catch
you can't grasp?
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yes, like, so they're letting them scrub the balls up
to condition them so you could grip them. Well, I
get before with the kicking balls, they just used the
new ball, you had no basically grip on it.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
So they let them were able to yes, yes, So
I don't I don't see it. I don't see an
issue with it, dude.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I think they're just don't get me wrong, They're they're
being able to.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
We can you see a whole lot of long field
goals now.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
But I think you would get that before if you
just like, that's like trying to catch a brand new
ball out the box. Dude, you're not going to catch
one of those brand new balls out the box without
gloves on. It's no way.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Like they're actually they're they're slippery, They're not just like
it's not just their slippery for real.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
That's that and it's like it feels like it's almost
like a coding over the material ball some somewhat like
I don't know what it is. But if you don't,
if you don't have time to work with those, brush
them up, get them in like they're coming.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
So that's all that they're doing.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
All they're doing is massage the dang that was about
to be crazy massaging. Yeah, all they're doing is uh damn,
how do you say that without being crazy? All they
do is massage in the footballs. That's it, like the
quarterbacks do. I was like, oh my goodness, I'm sounding crazy.
How do I say this? The massaging the football? So
(50:39):
you're basically getting it too, like the way the quarterbacks
do it though, Like they're not taking no air out,
they're not putting no air in.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
They're just literally massage in the slickness off the ball,
right right, Oh right.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Well that's too bad then, coach, they're gonna dire. That's
that's a that's a regular ball. You just got got
the right amount of pi air in it.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Let them boot the joint right, you got you got,
you got the air you're supposed to have in it.
Like it don't make no sense. Some people like to
wear new shoes every game. Some guys like to break
their shoes and during the week and then wear them,
you know in the game. That's you know, preference, that's
that's preference. But for this, that's not preference.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
If you told them they couldn't do nothing with a ball.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
That was uh just fresh out the box, they had
to play with brand new balls that weren't worked in,
weren't conditioned into it, the game will look totally differ.
You know, what they want points. I'm tripping. I don't
even know what I'm tripping on.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I should have knew that they want points, more points,
so they let the condition the balls. I don't see
a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
You're not when anything, you know, illegal, You're not deflating
or hyper inflating the ball. You got to have it
at a certain you know. So I don't because.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Somebody if I don't think if anybody, I don't know,
if anybody touched it, like.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Make sure they get the duke the fresh duke NFL football,
fresh out of the pack. That's that's impossible to play.
You can't play with that ball. So like instantly, everybody,
every team I've been on all quarterbacks, one of them
either like the certain type. They want their they want
that football is to field, so you gotta every I've
never seen a quarterback use a football fresh out of
(52:17):
the pack and just bring it to the practice field.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
That that's that that never seen it before. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
So previously teams got three rand new kicking balls within
thirty to ninety minutes before a given game started. So
as of twenty twenty five, teams get all sixty kicking
balls to start the year, with unlimited time to break
them in.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Then each can use up to three a game. Yeah, okay, okay,
I mean I'm not mad at that at all. I
just think that this is going is going to obviously
back up that that.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
So how did you make.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Sure that it's over? They got numbers on them? I'm
tripping yep, they got numbers on them. They locked in,
they locked in, they got they got so you can
only use three. You get all of them, can you
reuse them?
Speaker 2 (53:08):
But that's the crazy part. No, you can't use them.
You gotta use the three.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
So that makes sense why they be trying to get
them down kicking balls back so bad, like if the
drink goes into the stands. They're trying to go get
that because I'm like, you only got three.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I guess each one can be used in three games,
so each one can be using three games.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, it can be used up to three games. So
basically I could take three balls and I could use
them for those three games, and then you gotta switch
it out. Then you gotta switch them out because.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
He said they get sixty of them.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, they say they get sixty balls to kick, or
they get sixty balls you know at the start of
the year. That are the kicking balls with unlimited time
to break them in. Then each team can use up
to three three can use up to Yeah, then each
(54:09):
can be used up to three times a game up
to three games. Sorry, three games, so each ball can
be used for three games total.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Perfect. Yeah, I don't coaches, he the eagle d E.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
I'll tell you what, It don't matter what kind of
ball they put on the ground for me. I can't
kick that some bitch, so it ain't it don't matter.
You gotta have a skill. You gotta have a skill
for sure.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
And I think, man with the Eagle DC, you might
like hope hopefully your kicker is making sure his ball
is perfect, so he can boot that thing sixty ydds. Definitely,
they get mad. They ain't got a good There.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Is firing off on them balls.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
But back in the day, didn't they No, Back in
the day, they had a shape ball, didn't they little? No,
Little you're talking about back in the day. You're talking
about the helmets. Yeah, probably, But back in the day
the bo we only had to guard to thirty five
(55:14):
yard line.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
That's what I was taught at first, the guard of
thirty five.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Now niggas got a damnar guard to fifty because soon
as they passed half, they can kick the field.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Goal from there.
Speaker 6 (55:23):
Hey, if you got a good field goal kicker, brou
oh yeah, dangerous, yes, yes, Like like this dude, this one, dude,
this one dude, he's like the coldest field goal kicker.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Man. Like bank roll, bar bank roll, come on, bank roll. Hey, look,
I ain't no, you know I love bankroll.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Ay, you got lucky, man, you got lucky. I made
I made him the greatest kicker alive. Man.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I told her, boy, if you missed that field wash back.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
You scared him the greatness. I scared him the greatness.
Hey you welcome, baby. Hey, I don't even need, no
thank you, no appreciation. You know what I'm saying, It ain't.
I don't need a man.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
But we hey, between you and me and everybody else
in the world, now we know.
Speaker 7 (56:15):
We know and he needs you who you are? Okay,
good old bank roll, bank roll, Bob Man.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Gang.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
We got something, we got we got we got some
money here, we got some donations here ten dollars.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Thank you, We appreciate you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
He said, what's up from Heath Miller Country. Well, hey,
that's down the MVA. Ain't Heath Miller. Ain't that Heath
Miller and he's Miller from v A?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
I think so? Okay, okay, he said, let's go bliss Burgh.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Love you guys, Joe and nine to two from Swords
Creek v A. I told you it was VA you did.
I'm good like that, bruh. Appreciate you like that?
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Okay. Graphical debo.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I do what I
could do when I could do it. But you know
when I can't do it, I still do it and
still do it.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
And you know I'm gonna come and you know me.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
I'm in good old London Brown's about to go ahead
and get it done though somehow.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Hey, don't don't.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Don't don't mess around out there and get by the
same team.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
We just okay, what they about to do? Say tell
me what they about to do. Because you there with them,
you talking to them, I ain't gotta say. You ain't
got to say. Oh they said, he said, just tell
me what you say they about to do to the Vikings.
This right here is what Joe is saying. The Browns
are going to do to the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Run it, dang, come all this way just to come
this way. We came out here to whoop ass and
take names fun. That's all I got to say about that.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
That's it. That's all you got to say.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
Hey, Vikings, Browns came out there to whoop your ass
and put your names on their list.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
I just want you to know that. Joe Hayden said.
Speaker 4 (58:14):
That this.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Were here for a good time, not all the time.
They've been here for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
They getting all chill, They eating all these crepes and grapes.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Get out of.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
Here, crapes and grapes. What about the don't they got
tea or somewhere in London?
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Yeah, they got tea too, and get out of here.
We ain't come none of that. We came to whoop
some ass and.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Go home a crump it up a tighter chip to
crump back a chip A chip a too. Listens, is
pissed off. They thene lost.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
They had to stay out there almost two weeks.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yes, they mad.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Listen, they about to stump a mud holding y'all ass and.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
Walking c yep, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna Ceeo bask on Monday. Boy,
I want that same wan. Look here, baby, we want
to thank you guys for joining us. Oh, Debo and
Joe and I want y'all to go watch Viking Stumper
(59:20):
mud hole in the Browns.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Ass with y'all subscribed to Sana. We will be back
at it on Monday.
Speaker 3 (59:29):
M be here Monday. Make sure you like a subscribe.
Make sure you like a subscribe. I got something for Debo.
Oh you got something? He got he got something for Debo.
Joseph from London. What you got to say, Joe? I
gotta say watch the Browns. Will ask make sure you
like a subscribe to the Debo and Joe show.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
We will see you Monday.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
I got something for depot asked when the browns whoop
the biking
Welcome back to d BO and Joe. I'm your host,
James D. Boat Harrison and I'm here with my co
host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe.
You don't want to miss nothing. Joe, how you doing
O A and London with all that Brown's gear on.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm doing great. Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Brown's London Takeover is happening right now. Yesterday we went
out on a boat, met with like two hundred and
fifty fans.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Me and my man Josh Cribs.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Okay with me having a state.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, definitely. He told us he'd be watching it. He
be tapped into the to the other podcast. He showed
He definitely showed love.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, definitely definitely. Yeah, that's my guy. You know that
was our quarterback my senior year. He was he was
he was our starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So yeah, I got I got the.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
To have a hot little year with him, a little
like a little like a little vic over there.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know what I'm saying. Man and his cribs are
so good. Bro. You know he from DC.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We from the same area, so he was the man
back at the crib. They went to Kent then I
was able to play with him in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So fire, Oh yeah, man, let's get this started. Brother.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So the Rams went on ahead and uh, I would say,
lost it in overtime or however you want to do it.
But the four of the Niners ended up beating the Rams,
and uh, you know, the first quarter, it kind of
started off like smooth for San France, dude. They went
down the field, they scored a touchdown, They scored a
(01:38):
touchdown on the first drive, and they had like two penalties,
bro it was a false start in a in a
holding and they still were able to go down there
and get a touch and then you know, La gets
to rock the next possession and they sacking they put
him behind the chains, prevotting, you know, and then the
preceding possession they got two fourth downs. They they conferred
(02:00):
to San Francisco conferred the two fourth downs, dude. And
oh they also had a rough in the penalty that
helped him get an extra fifteen.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
But it's fourteen nothing now. La then comes out and
they actually are driving the ball and fumble. San Francisco recovered.
But they got lucky there that you know, San fran
didn't make nothing of it, and.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
They got the ball back, I believe with no, we're
still in there. So they went on ahead and I
think they scored a touchdown. The next drive.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
They ended up I believe, taking advantage of a rookie
out there.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I think what was his name. I think it's number
was twenty or something. They they they kind of used
him on the drive, you know what I'm saying. It
was going to smack at him. Yeah, they was going out.
I think Davante he got a couple penalties and all that,
but they ended up scoring that first touchdown. So it
was I think it was seven to fourteen by then,
and right before the half, san Franz was a to
(03:00):
get get a field goal. Ended up halftime seventeen to seven. Yeah,
So once they came back out, you know, La goes
to driving again. They're doing pretty good, but the field
goal kicker he misses the field goal, dude, like, so
san fran gets the ball back. That next possession, they
(03:20):
get a field goal. That's twenty to seven. I'm thinking,
maybe it might be a little less competition than I thought.
And then the boy Stafford comes alive. Dude, he get
Pooker involved.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
They score on back to back possessions, but the extra
point on the second touchdown is blocked. Bro, twenty to
twenty tie going in. I'm like, okay, we got action, Bro,
it is a game. Yes, we got a good game here.
(03:52):
I don't care when you know what I'm saying. I
just want to Hey, you want to see good football.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, and Frank go on head down there and they
or a field goal, but they gave Stafford like three minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's way just under three minutes, dude, that's way too
much time, bro. And La is driving down there and
they get the like two bru. Dude fumbles the rock.
San Fran recovers. I'm thinking game over with yeah, yeah,
(04:26):
like it's done, Like everything is going to be over
with from here. And La gets the ball back with
like forty something seconds left, dude, and they end up
getting the field goal to uh regulation, Yeah, to end regulation.
(04:48):
It's tied up again. They jump into overtime. San Fran
kicks the field gold and overtime they're able to do that,
but you know, they got the two possession thing going
on right now where you get a chance. Yeah, and
then La goes for it on fourth down, Bru and
fourth and one do not get it and then you
(05:10):
know it's overweight. That's the end of the thing. That's
the end of overtime.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Game over What do you think you think they should
have went for it on fourth down? What do you
think of the call of LA going forward on fourth
down and overtime?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I like the coach trying to win the game, you
know what I'm saying, Like, end of the day, it's
fourth and one. We need one yard. Can we get
a yard to win the game? You know what I'm saying,
And just go out here and not do no ties.
Like I appreciate him playing to win and not playing
the plan to tie or plan to lose. I think
he shows his players like, man, I believe, let's get
this fourth and one. Let's go down here and score
(05:41):
and walk out of the stadium with a dub. You
know what I'm saying. So you can look at it
both ways. Man, kick the field goal, tie it up,
see what you're gonna do. But at the end of
the day, I like the coaches gonna believe in my squad,
we got one yard, Let's get this fourth and one.
Let's penaggle and get this touchdown and walk out of
the stadium with a dub. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm not mad at them. You look crazy when you
(06:02):
don't get it. Your lineman look crazy like you're running
back everybody. You got smacked and stopped for four for one.
So you feel like it, like you feel like it's
the wrong decision. But if they would have made that,
then everybody would be looking like, oh yeah, there we go,
believing like we can make these This is our coach
believes in us.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right now they look silly, But.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think they look silly because for me, you had
an extra point that was blocked, miss the field goal
and we're in overtime. It could be maybe a block
a miss. You know what, it's only a yard. We
can get a yard. Like, totally agree with it. Would
it did the same thing because looking at the tie,
(06:41):
a tie feels like a loss to me, dude, I
don't like.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You all that for nothing, like yeah, a tie, It
just it just feels it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Feels too much like a loss to me. Bro I
can't I can't work with that. And you know, even
with Saint fran still won. I mean they losing a
couple of players that were hurt that ended up getting
hurt and not having everyone there that was already you know,
hurt and not able to play. Do you think that
(07:11):
Mac Jones is better than Party or do you think
that he he is compared to Do you think we
have a quarterback maybe issue, not issue, but we have
a quarterback competition, like you just I understand you just
(07:32):
paid this man a bunch of money, but it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Looks like to me.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Just from you know, looking at the you know, the
eye test, I need a quarterback that could come in
there make plays and not turn the ball over because
all my other pieces can help him win as long
as he's able to you know, contribute and not doing
anything to hurt us.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I feel I think, I like, I like Rock
Party more than I do like Mac Jones. I just
think that it's kind of sucks when he doesn't have
all his weapons, you know what I'm saying. Like there's
a lot of injuries over there in San fran And
I think that that's not really that that's not helping him.
I think when he had all of his when when
he first came in there, he had everybody, he had
(08:18):
his whole arsenal, he had his tight end, he had Kittle,
he had running back there healthy so he was able
to kind of get the ball around a lot more.
And I think now with him not having as many resources,
it's kind of making them look not obviously not as
good because you don't have the talent around him. But
I don't think he's like A He's just a do
it all quarterback. He's not going to make he's not
going to elevate your whole team. He's gonna be a
(08:40):
piece that's can be able to keep it consistent and
be able to make sure once everybody's there, I'm not
going to fuck it up.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but you got you
got Mac out here with none of that. And no,
I didn't expect him to win this game. I'm not
gonna lie to you. I just I just thought that,
you know, with the defensive line of LA that you
know it was it was god Max.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
But no, we're talking about Mat Jones. Was a quarterback
for the goddamn Patriots. No he's not a Stafford.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
No he's not. He's not bro. He's the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Now for for uh for l A, I mean for
the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Sorry damn see I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, for show for show. That's what I'm saying.
He went out there and did all that game.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
MAC backing up party saying do you think he easy to.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Get a chance to get out there.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I ain't saying he should get a chance to get
out there. I'm just saying, right now, I got you know,
I got a pistol sitting in my pocket right now,
and I've done seeing what he could do without all
the weapons.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And I don't see what my other guy does with
all the weapons.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
What do it look like if I get an opportunity
to give him all the weapons? I understand, like he
didn't do well in New England, but you got a difference.
He got a call, he got somebody calling the right place.
That's I guess obviously fitting. You know what he can
do at that position. I mean he got a whole
you know, he got he got a he got c
C CMC, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's that's two players right there, that's right. I can
the receiver.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So with that combination, do we really need do we
really need to go out here and get a one
hundred and fiftywo hundred million dollars quarterback? Do we or can we?
Can we work with you know what we have right
here in Mac.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
No. I mean, I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That makes complete sense because Mac did he Mac Mac
didn't look crazy out there in New England didn't have
that nowhere near that. I think the offensive skill talent
that uh that San Francisco has. So if you get
give him the chance to be able to be back
there with some dogs, I think he might look like
you said, he might look real good.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Looking good right now? Or is it or is it
the play calling? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I mean it's a combination of all that too, but
I mean, he looking good. We might have a little
bit quarter controverse, you know what I'm saying. I don't
know for sure you can get a quarterback controverse. Uh
they say Dylan Gabriel year oh my for the Browns.
So uh they said he was throwing a sublingual type
(10:58):
you know hit that. I think we got the sound
by right here. Listen to it here though.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I smile because it's like a moment you prep for
and you are extremely excited for, but also got to
realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued
to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time.
You know you're gonna wait a whole lifetime. So for me,
I'm just I've always been ready for every moment.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So do you think that is throwing some shade at
your door? Not going and taking that opportunity to maybe
go to Baltimore and you know, hindsight fifty to fifty
know in the future he would be starting right now.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Do you think that's what it is? That's what they're
trying to say. I didn't get that off that. Did
you get that off that debot? No?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I got I got I got none of that off that, dude.
I got none of that off that. So I feel
like you got people out here.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, they reached and they reach out, chasing, They looking
for something that they could write and read about.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I don't understand how that even you know, flipped over
to that. Now you see why Shador went and did
a mind interview, because if you don't say nothing, they
can't twist nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, everybody is so fucking messy when it comes to
this because it's Dylan Gabriel and it's Shador.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You can't say nothing. Dylan didn't say nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I felt like that was attacking your door, and if
Shador says anything, they're gonna crucify the man. So he
tries not to. Then he's gonna then he's gonna mind you.
So like I feel him, you can't win for losing,
you know what I'm saying. And I don't think Dylan
said anything going at your door in that sound bite.
He's just trying to He's trying to avoid controversy. He's saying,
(12:45):
I'm just waiting for my opportunity, you know, da da dada.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Like what can the kid say?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't think that
they're trying to switch up stuff and put them into
like real there's a quarterback battle obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Listen, man, they're trying to say that. You know, they're
trying to say a little bit of every thing.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Sor had a famous song in twenty four It was
called perfect timing.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So they trying to they trying to connect everything to
something like dude, just.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Everything bust out my ap perfect time.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Right, Like come on, man, Like, don't you can't say
nothing like it's listen, I don't believe he's going that
deep into depth to be able to soon as something
comes up, you know, a perfect time.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Man, come on, oh man, dude is trying. I think
he's trying. He's trying to get ready. He's Dylan, and
I'm rooting for Dylan. I'm rooting for Dylan gabro. It's
not his bad that he was drafted third round. It's
not his bad that he's in the position that he's in.
And every time I've seen him in the preseason, he
hasn't looked bad. He's looked like he knew a little something.
Like he's throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I love the snap. He gets the ball out fast.
So I'm rooting for him. I want him to be
out there and be successful. But it's just when you
have Shador on your team, everybody anything the kid does,
they maximize it. He tries to chill. He's been trying
to you know what I'm saying, work, get it done.
And now him not even be in the backup quarterback.
(14:10):
That's kind of He's just if I was your door.
I feel some type of way because I know him
a baller, I know what I got and I just
have to keep it humble.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I'm keeping it chill. I'm trying to be as professional
as possible, but as soon as.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I say something, now I can't say anything. So I
feel for him. I know he's just trying to wait
for his opportunity and then it's just another slap in
the face to win. It's like, now you're not even
going to be the backup to him. So if Flaco
is backing up Dylan Gabriel, so I just feel I
feel bad for your door because I know he wants
to play. He knows the skill set that he has,
and he just wants to be able to go out
(14:44):
and perform. There's nothing he can do, nothing he could
talk about. He's the backup quarterback. So why you keep
putting the camera in my face? Don't ask me no QUESTIONSGGA,
like they need something to talk about, dude, they need that.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I don't understand why all these words this is doing,
especially a lot of them being like you're in Cleveland,
Like I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't understand clout for Chase.
You know, Joe said to get caught up somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, Joe said on the bench, he said, I don't
think I foresaw it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
What do he mean that he don't think he foresaw it.
I don't. I don't understand that, Like, what didn't you foresee, Joe?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
You got what six picks one touchdown in four games?
They drafted two quarterbacks just in case they got like
a what was it a third and the fifth?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And like, what didn't you foresee?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like it was some point in time that if things
weren't going well, which they aren't, like you don't throw.
You done threw more picks six times, more picks than
touch Like that's crazy. The writing was on the wall. Yeah,
what what didn't you? I mean unless your vision done
went bad too?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Joe? I love that one could see you couldn't see
the couldn't fol see that.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That would have been in the back of my head, like, uh,
this boy in here, I guess it might be.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Man, I think it would be my time right behind him,
that man getting a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
He got some first team reps. Hold up, now you
know what I'm saying? Oh oh man, Yeah, I don't
know how you didn't fo see that one? Brother? No, Like, oh,
he's wilding. I think he he he.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I don't know. I don't know why he did. I
think he lied, But you had to see it. I
think he lied. They drafted two quarterbacks and you've been
playing bad and you've been in the league.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
For seventeen eighteen years. You know this is how this
go right. You are right there, you are holding down
the fort until you not, and you wasn't. So they're
gonna be the young bulls like, yeah, it's you. Wasn't
you like you said, you weren't holding on the fort
like they got two young boys in there.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
They got you there. Just yy you go ahead, try
and show him something we could if we could win
with you.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
We'll do it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
We know, you know, maybe they ain't ready, wouldn't want
to throw him into the fire yet, but now you
know what it done got hot. You know, we might
mess around lose our jobs. So we got to go
ahead and see.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What we could do with what we went out here
and drafted. See if he could give us some hope.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
For you know, the next for the rest of the
season rather you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So my guy,
Deshaun Elliott, he over here. He had a profane rant.
I guess he's posted his he gotta find he told
him counter fucking days, y'all worried about the wrong thing.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
We gotta we got a picture of that. Let's fix
the things that actually mean something. He can't find by
the team or by the league.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
He got fined by the league, and he tagged the
NFL and the nfl PA. Now he's upset that he
got fined for wearing a I believe it was a
black tie.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What do you what do you think about this? Man?
You know how that is the bo he said. Listen, man,
he said, y'all worried about the wrong thing. Let's fix
the things that actually mean something.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I mean, some of the ship is it's cold, it's
dress code like socks. I would get fined all the
time for my socks. If your knees being exposed, you
know what I'm saying. Your and then in Cleveland, sometimes
your cleats have to.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Be Look here, Joe, let me let me tell you, Joe,
this is where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He tagged the NFL and nfl P A nfl p
A executive directed, that's go be me, okay, Yes, yes,
I'm the person that you you would be talking to. Now, Yes,
here is what it is. Hey, Ellie, don't you come
at me with this bullshit.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know damn well, you can't be wearing a different
colored towel and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
They go through the whole dress code. So if you
want to do something out there, just like Joe said,
you go get a fine for showing your knees. You
go get a fine for not wearing your socks how
you're supposed to wear them.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're working for the NFL and the stillers. You know
that was coming, So don't bring this bullshit to my
table when I'm NFL PA executive director.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Okay, you knew what you were doing, Debo. That's exactly right.
Because when I go out that joint and they telling
me your knees is out, Joe, you're gonna get fined
for that. They make sure when you come back in
the locker room they let you know what's good what's not,
and you got marny towels.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And if they don't catch it, don't mean they ain't
gonna catch it later on during the rest of the
thing and find you on Wednesday or Monday or Tuesday,
whatever it is. You know, you know what you're doing wrong?
That is it is. You know what it looked like, bro,
I know my socks are little what you think. Damn yeah, yeah,
I know it ain't right, but you know what, I'm
gonna take whatever that find is because it's worth it
(19:42):
for me to look like this. Nah, I ain't taking
no fine, I be uniformed out. I'll be head to
toe a to Z one two three and you let
you find the money fine.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And you won't and you won't get fined for that though.
So like at the end of the day, there ways
you can put your gear on right color and still
look as sweet as you want to, still look as
fresh as you want to. But there is rules to
make us look uniform to make everybody look like we're
professional football.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Teams out there.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
That's why the college football having a jersey all rolled
up in the stomach.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Stomach's out.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
You know what I'm saying, No, no knee pass, basically
just thigh pass out there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Like they look like they're playing in the backyard.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Sometimes, you know what I'm saying, Some of the players like, dude,
you don't look cool, you look bad.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
But your jersey like that doesn't look cool. You look
kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So I think that there's reason why you have to
have certain things in the league. And you may think
it's like, oh man, it's petty shit, But that's why
we are a professional. Everybody looks like it looks like
the NFL out there because we have to be to
check dress code exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Dude, you're working for somebody else. Man, you working in
Nate and they come to they got a dress I
would taking that fine.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So when sometimes if you want to be cool and
wear something different, he just know take it on the head.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I did it because I was trying to be sweet.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
He has every team has a guy that marks everything down.
You want to go up to him and be like, yo,
am I good with this? Am I good with that?
When you know you got something bad on, he's gonna
let you know. He gonna tell you like you gonna
take You took a chance, man, you took a chance,
you got caught, and now.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You upset.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't know why. I don't understand it, because you
knew what the penalty would be.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Like.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's that's there. I was never one that was like,
you know what, man, I gotta take this.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You know, ten fifteen thousand dollars fine because I gotta
look good. I gotta make sure I got no I
was taking to find something. I'm gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Sometimes I was doing the socks a little bit. They
was giving me my socks. I'm like, I don't need
my knees covered. I don't feel as fast. I'm sorry.
So sometimes I'm like this man, y'all, y'all, I'm out
of there, nigga my knees out. So and I knew
I was gonna get that fine. I was gonna get
hit sometimes with the visors. You know, you can't wear
dark visors unless you have the screw of script. Yeah,
(22:00):
they'll be telling Joe, I wear it for pregame.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You gotta take that out, Joe.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Right, how many guys wear advice for pregame and come
back out. So a lot of the times the dude
may not even say nothing to you because he's like, oh,
this is your program. Look, you're gonna come back out
and you're gonna be in the right attire. So they
don't want to sit there marking down sixty five things.
When the dudes come back out, it's all gone like, yep,
it don't it don't. Yeah, you're not you're not getting
(22:25):
no getting this. Yeah, you're not getting no support over
here for this man. That's that's just that's just not
how it might be. These young players. Man like it,
don't it don't make no sense. He's talking about they
worried about the wrong thing. I think you might be
worried about the wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
If they strive, he said. He said he lost his
athleticism at twenty three. Listen, listen to what he said, man.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Twenty three, I'm not like fully in my grown man
bodies all the way. You know, I'm still growing every
like every year, and I just think like I got
to just continue to be harder myself about not only
just lifting waste, but eating the right foods.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Like that's been a big thing too.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
So yeah, that's just a thing where I think the
explosiveness comes from, like being better with my diet, being
better with you know, stretching, and like I feel like
I'm getting old, So I got it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I'm not. I'm not as quick as I used to be.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I was watching my high school stuff a couple of
days ago.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was I was like one eighty and I was
rolling and I no more.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But yeah, I try to just be better with that
stuff so I can run fast, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But you are you got to say about that? Man,
Hey man, c J.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Strout Man, That's that's an unathletic answer. Like at twenty three,
you're supposed to be your grind. That's where you're just
like twenty three to twenty six, that's when you're the
best of the best of the best that you could
ever be athletically. I mean, for me, I was peak,
(24:07):
you know what I'm saying, Like right around that age,
like that's when you got your grown masks.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You're starting to get into your grown mass jump. You're
not eighteen nineteen, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Saying, Like you you getting it, you feel it, You're
starting to grow into your body by that time, two
three years in the league, Like, boy, this is supposed
to be the best version of yourself that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
So I understand, Like when you're being being able to
diet better, you know what I'm saying, like understanding your
food and being able to take care of your body more. Well,
he's trying to say you just dieting better in high
school than he was. That's a pro That makes me crazy.
To me, dude, you're a twenty three year old at
twenty three, Bro, I could go three days no sleep.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Rise, sunshine, all that. Yes, party to the wheels who
fell off, still be at the gym by six seven.
I do that every three days straight. Before I was like,
you know what, I might need to get some sleep.
M h, No for sure, what what are you talk
Maybe he's just joking, man, I got it. He talking
about he hit a wall a wall at twenty three,
twenty four, Stop playing, man, stop playing. You want to
(25:07):
see a wall, It's a little wall at thirty it's
another wall at thirty five. If you're blessed enough to
be around the league that long, then you go really
hit some walls. And if you talking like this right
now at twenty three, I don't know, the Texas might.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Want to be looking for another quarterback because you already
giving me the you know, the perception that you personally
thinking in your head that you ain't got what you
had in high school right now. That is not something
that I want to hear from my quarterback, who I
don't supposed to make my franchise player for the next
hopefully six eight years. Nah, that ain't what I'm looking for.
(25:43):
Maybe we might have to start looking for another one
to pick up well.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Like I said, I just that doesn't sound that doesn't
sound too positive. I mean, I hope at the end
of the day, I like to see jes Straw. He's
a great kid. I think that he just I don't know,
he needs to talking about his food, talking about his
workouts and all that stuff. I think that's something where like, dude,
that's what you like, be on that. What are we
talking about. This is where you're supposed to be building
(26:08):
up to this stuff, to getting getting better. It seems
like he's like no, Like I mean, I don't know.
It didn't seem like a real good It didn't seem
athletic to me.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's for damn. That's what I mean. You're supposed to,
you know, like you're supposed to grow, get better, get
all that.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Like even when when I came in, you know, my.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
First two thousand and two until about two thousand and
five six around there, Oh, like you said, I'm burning
the candle at both ends.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But then I'm like, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
What, man, like this game can help me get like
generational wealth.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Man. I got to be able to play this as
long as I can.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So from two thousand and about five six, I started
cutting things out. I'm like, you know what I'm not
you know, I'm not drinking. You know, during the week,
I changed my diet.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
You know, I started eating clean, I started eating better,
eating out, you know, two three times a day.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Now I was doing you.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Know, meals that were made at home, that was made
with good you know, good good quality food all that.
So yeah, and then from that, I was like, you
know what, I'm not going to drink during the week,
but I'll party on the weekend and in the off season.
And then as that time progressed, I'm like, you know what,
from me doing that, I saw results. You know what
(27:25):
I'm gonna do now is I'm not gonna I'm not
going to drink during the season at all, you know
what I'm saying. And that would be like, Okay, I'm
gonna have a couple of drinks or something when we
do our rookie dinner or something like that. You know,
that would be the tib I would drink, but I
would still do something in the off season.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Then I got to wear you know what, I'm getting older.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I can't even I can't even go hard do nothing
like that in the off season. So I got to where,
you know, I would be almost year round and wouldn't
have no alcohol. The easiest way to stay in shape
is to never get out of shape. I didn't take
as much time off any more, you know, where when
I was younger, you know, I may take off six
weeks or something.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Now I'm like, you know what, I got a week.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I'm a chill, especially you know, if I'm hurt, something's hurt,
trying and get my body right, whatever that may be,
and then I'm you know, I'm right back at it.
That's one of the you know, that's one of the things.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
But to say this.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
At twenty three, like that's that's wild, dude up place
I was thirty nine years old, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's not what if? For shure, you're from a position
that you know, guys are playing, you know, well into
the late thirties some early forties, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah no, and then you at the quarterback position too. Man,
we're gonna need you for the long haul. And that's
not really sounding like that you think you're gonna have
like that, you're it sounds like you like you're it
may the end of your career. Might not be as
long as the beginning, you know what I'm saying, Like
I was thinking, like you're prepping up for something, but
it seems like you're already like, oh man, I'm getting
(28:53):
up there. Like, no, you're not. You're not getting up there.
You still have had your first contract yet.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like we still talking as as I used to be.
I can't run.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You still didn't get you get your position that you're
at now. You need to be getting more knowledge, understanding
and reading things fast. Do you think Tom Brady stayed
around that long because he was fast? And no, no,
stayed that loan because he could see it, read it
and understand it and get it out. Like, yes, you
need athletic ability and all the other stuff, but dude,
(29:24):
the position you're in, you need to see it and
get it out. Like, don't twenty three saying that and
you're just twenty Nah, I don't. I don't like that
at all anymore I think about it, the more it
kind of disturbs me.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, no, for sure, man, twenty three years old, that's
just not That's not something that you want to hear
from a.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Twenty three year old player at all.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I mean I think I could I can respect him,
but saying about his athleticism and maybe that might that's
not a strength.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
We never look at him as a blazer, like that's
something that ohyeah, you see, he's going to use his
legs and get.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Out of there.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
No, so I can I can understand, like he's not
the most athletic person at all. But I just don't
want you to be sounded like my quarterbacks getting old.
It may just be talking just like you know, you're
talking negatively about yourself, like I don't like the mindset
that's coming from me.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
You know what, they already gonna talk bad about you. CJ.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Don't do it to yourself, right right, don't don't don't
give him more fuel for the fire man like and
you know, actually to say it to the media like
right there, you know, even with a laugh, like I
don't like that's something that obviously is in his head.
Like I'm not looking at my high school film, bro,
I'm playing the game. Why am I looking at high schooler? Like,
(30:40):
oh man, I just felt like I was faster. No
I should I shouldn't. I should be able to destroy
high school me. You know what I'm saying. No, comparison
to high.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
School me, did anything flick at the wrists, Like, man,
you were sixteen, seventeen years old, and it's like, that's
what I'm saying. You were a kid and now you've
grown man twenty three and we're talking about you getting old. No, no,
and you're still young. You're still a young man. You've
just been able to you've been past twenty one for
two years. You can you just can rent a car.
(31:13):
You can't even in the car. He came in the
car yet an adult until you can rent a fucking car.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Man. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Maybe it's maybe it's the young players. Man who knows
so we over here Philly man. I guess multiple execs
thinks that they have an issue over there and that
A J. Brown Jeremy Foley thinks that A J. Brown
could be traded this offseason. I guess his relationship or
black thereof you know, he had his tweet that he
(31:45):
said and he had to do some I guess explaining
over that issue. Do you think that they'll be able
to to keep that together?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Do you think his do you understand? Do you do
you believe it's frustrate?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
This is as cool as it's you know, it's warranted,
Like how do you believe this situation will come out?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And do you think that it's a better way for
him to handle it.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I think that aj Brown knows he's a baller and
numbers are the reason why you get paid at receiver
and it's a team sport. But you know that when
you get to that table those dude's gonna be looking
at it like this, oh yo has only had six
hundred yards for forty catches, Like they're gonna make him,
(32:34):
They're gonna add his value is going to be on
his numbers. We know that he didn't get any worse.
He's still that dude. He can still be making you
know what I'm saying, like fifteen hundred yards. We know
if he gets the opportunities. So he's kind of looking
at it like I want to be helping the team.
I know that we can I can get a jump start,
Like he's not. I don't feel like he's trying to
be negative, But at the end of the day, he
(32:55):
knows he can affect the game and help the team out,
so he wants to be or in fact, he wants
to help the squad.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You got to get your numbers when you know when
you're trying to get back to that table.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
So they can't just him. Did they pay him yet?
Oh yeah, they paid him. What did he get When
are they paying?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I mean I can't say exactly, but I know he
getting I know he getting paid. He up there, he
getting probably around third I think he'd get around thirty years.
So he's knowing that end of the day, he has
to keep those numbers. He performing, he knows he can
do it. He's not trying to take away from the team,
but he just wants he just wants to help, you
know what I'm saying, And he knows that if his
(33:35):
numbers aren't looking good. It's not all about the numbers,
but when you get to that table as a wide receiver,
it's numbers, you know, at that position.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I understand his frustration.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
He only got you know, fourteen pass I think one
hundred and fifty one yards or something like that, twenty
eight targets and.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That's not really good.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
But you got to look at it, like you said,
you're four and oh, I mean they only averaging one
hundred and thirty eight yards passing the game understand his
current pace. He looking at what six hundred and forty yards,
six hundred and four touchdowns. Maybe he got like a
yards and catch incentives since he's already paid, but who,
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you know, who knows. But I think it's a better
way for him to like like deal with this and
like putting out tweets and all that is not it
unless he got cried to deal with it on the
inside and it's not working. But again, Eoe, you're you're
four and oh, and you know he says when they're struggling,
you know, you know, he wants to be da da
da da. I mean, every team struggles throughout the period
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of game, but you ain't struggled enough to even lose
a game yet, So you know, like I said to
be coming out, you know, with the cryptic tweets that
they're you're.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Four and oh, I.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Understand, but I don't understand. You know, on his side,
I can understand because he's a player.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
He you know, he's he's a person that has to.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Do what's best for him, or get what's best for
him to be able to get the numbers so that
he can maximize all the benefits that he's looking for.
And then you know, as a coach sitting back like, yo,
we're doing what's necessary to win. We're four and oh
like you know what are we talking about? That's like me,
you know, screaming and hollering that you know, hey man,
I ain't got no sacks. We ain't you know whatever,
(35:28):
We ain't. Listen, we're playing you know, whatever it may be,
and we don't need to because we're foreign.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Oh and I don't Yeah, I don't under.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It gets it gets to it gets to a numbers game,
and especially at the big numbers, bro receiver, like, you're
not going to make no Pro Bowl, no all thro
with these numbers, and those are your things. When you're
trying to go home, when you're trying to make your
career and trying to make a statement for yourself, it's like, oh, Jo,
you had forty catches with six hundred and fifty odds. Ah,
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that's not all. That's not Hall of Fame activity, you
know what I'm saying. So when you trying to create
your resume as a player and just not all like
when we say this, numbers don't tell me.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
This, tell me this, yo. If you were playing receiver, yes,
receiver would you rather go for fifteen hundred yards six
years straight or you go for under a thousand for
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six straight, but you get two super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Mhmm.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I'm going to go with I'm gonna go with the
super Bowls. But debo, I'm gonna go with the super Bowls.
I'm about to go to the super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
If I was a receiver, you gotta do is look
behind me. I know, I see, I see yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'm just saying, you know, for me, yeah yeah yeah. Personally,
you know, what would you do fifteen hundred or.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Or here's the crazy thing, dude, I've asked guys this question.
Would you go in and make double what you made
over your career but have no Super Bowls?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Or make half of what you made over your career
but have super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Here's the crazy thing.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
The guys that never went to a super Bowl or
won or super Bowl, most of them take the money.
The guys that went to a super Bowl and didn't win.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
A super Bowl would take the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And guys like me who have super Bowls went to
the super Bowls, won and lost. I'm keeping my super Bowls.
I don't need to double my my net where another repect?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, I ain't never had one, So I'm a double
I'm a double my bag.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, I don't. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Like and like you said, you just signed what was it,
three year ninety six million, eighty four million guaranteed just
last year like that, that's a J.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Brown receiver guaranteed period. I'm talking about Brown.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told you I knew he got
the bag, like you got the bag.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Like, okay, let's start tripping maybe after this year, maybe
next year, like yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Because you still three years. Because that's the part too.
You in the guarantee, You in the guarantee. You're in
the guaranteed situation right now for the this year thirty
to the good guaranteed. Okay, so we ain't gotta even
worry about nothing four out of nightt shit? Who but
another thirty something to the good. Hey, we got to
worry about oh contract. See hey listen, we're coming up
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on that last year. Now, let's say you, I mean,
were coming up on that last year.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I need twelve fifteen hundred, now twelve fifteen hundred, do
you hear me? I need twelve fifteen hundred? But sure.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Right now though, when you're making that good money, you're chilling.
Your team's winning right now, she got two years. He
could really be on some chill, chilling because that guarantee.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Is coming in. You know, you wanted to be good.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
So just.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
To get you another, to get you another two super Bowls,
you know, and you're coming to that last one.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Now, I gotta eat. I got to. I got the
guys eat like we got time. That ain't the case.
Ain't now that guaranteed up? You know, that's time for me,
I do. I got a slot.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
And at the same time, to Eagles, they're paying him
thirty million dollars to not even go too crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
So I'm like you, I mean, how they're using you.
They're not blaming you. They're not blaming you.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
You ain't you got eighty four guarantee. You can't go
nowhere for the next two years at least. Let's let's
chill back.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Don't get you in practice, get all that you.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Know your right, Get your drugs on, man, Just make
sure them things is ready. Just get the drug machine going,
and you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Be solid while you collect.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah sure, yeah, jump down in Miami, man, that uh
tua said that he is now focused on carbs and
fluids to avoid concussions.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
What do you think of that, Like, what's your what's
your take on.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That you believe that's I mean, I know fluids, yes, definitely,
because you can't be definitely hydrated. I understand. I understand
the carbs too, because like you're basic, like their brain
basically needs some form of glucose, like good carbs, not
bad carbs, not all that artificial refined stuff, you know
what I'm saying. And that's why some people who do
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like low carb or no carb diets, they get what
you call like, uh, it's like brain fog. You know,
your your brain needs some sort of some sort of
what they call it, uh, cerebral cerebral suck, rebrial rebral glucose.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
So it helps to you know, be some people.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And like it's for individual individually too, Like I know
I can function on no carbs. I'm used to doing it.
I've been able to do it. Some people they can't function, Dude,
They can't. They can't remember where they you know, where
they set their keys, you know, two minutes after they
drop them down. Another thing is next strength, dude. A
lot of people don't understand this, dude. Next strength is
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one of the mitigating factors for concussion. The stronger your
neck is, the less likely you are to get a concussion.
Like that's something I used to always have, the four
way neck. You're not doing here here here, yes, yes, yes,
that's conference all that you know, ad Because when you.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Get when you get a lot of them percussions too,
when they hit their back, hitting their head just snapped
back to the ground.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You got that your next strongest ship. Your head ain't
just going all over.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Just pop and keep that. Like even when I was
doing the show wrestling heels, you get slammed on the mat.
What you're taught to do is slap like this. So
when you hit, you slap with your hands, but you
hold your head up so it's boom. Your head eventually
goes back, but it's not that you know where you
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just vamming it on that.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
You're not just whipping into the game, not just whipping
into the joint.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah yeah, So next, strength is a is a big thing.
And I understand the cars hydration, of course, you know
it helps, But if you really want to work on
your cussions, bruh, going there and getting that four way
neck all the neck exercise that you can get to
strengthen your neck.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, no, no, bullshit, that's definitely gonna help his ask.
I didn't know about the carbs though, I didn't know
about the carbs that could really help out.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, everybody's different, you know what I'm saying. Everybody's bodies different.
Some people can function without them, some people can't. Some people,
you know, figure out how to. It's just it's up
to you know, it's in each individual. You know, one
one thing, don't you know, work the same for everybody.
That's why it affects from here to there. And then
some people don't get none.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You know. That's a ship goes differently with different people.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, you had concussion before, because I know I had
a couple.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
I had well, you know when they considered Ringer Dingers,
Zingers all that, that's.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Oh nah, I'm talking about the real joint, the real
were you out like real you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
To sleep for a second year, I had.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
I had one more rookie year when I I was
I was actually playing the Detroit Dude. It was my
rookie year. Was the first time I think Clark Hagen's
had got uh got hurt. So I had to play
like a whole bunch of that. I had to do
kick off, kickoff return. So I played like three quarters, dude,
and I remember the tight end coming across blind on
he and next thing I know, they out there like, hey, hey,
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you're good.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'm like, what y'all doing out here? I'm like, it's
like it was what now that just hit the tight
What did you tell about? It's like no, I'm like, dude,
I wasn't out man, what y'all talking about?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
So I watched it, well, it didn't even have it
on the game copy, so you know, you go over
to the sideline, they say, okay, you know what's today?
Speaker 1 (44:44):
You got a chance at your Sunday Like yeah, I'm
like all right, cool. I mean I remembered everything that
that was an issue, and like, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
The next series on back in. You know, now you're done.
You know you was definitely oh for show. And then
I had one and Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
When I was in Cincinnati, bro, so I go and
this one I didn't remember, but I know I lost
track of time somewhere, but I played the whole time.
So I go and I hit it was contry. I'm blind,
don't even right, who right? So I get up and
I'm talking, and uh, I remember going to the next play,
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and then I don't remember nothing after that until I'm
standing on the sideline, bro. And I'm standing on the
sideline and we're playing in Pittsburgh and I'm with Cincinnati,
and I hear, you know, the crowd like just start
off quiet and loud. And as I started coming to
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I look and I'm like, I'm on the sideline and
they they must have just scored, because it's a whole
nother light, like fourteen points on the board or something, right,
I don't know what doesne happened?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
And I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my god,
I think I got a concussion.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
So now we know, you know, the side effects and
concussion and all that.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
And I'm sitting there and I'm.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Like, oh, I just missed some parts of this game.
I don't know how much football I have missed, right,
But I'm standing on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Bro Gary feeling here and I'm like scary feeling.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I'm like do I I'm like, do I tell him
I don't remember?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Do I have?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
And then now like I said, we got the knowledge,
and I'm like, nah, I'm like they ain't paying me
like that, that ain't worth my life. I'm like, yo,
I got a concussion. Bro, Like what I'm like, Yes,
I'm like, I don't remember nothing from the.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Brother you telling her that. I just came to just
I'm standing on it came to b and I just
came to man. I played like four or five more snaps.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
They ended up score and then it was like a
punt or something and they was returning the punt for
a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
And that's what woke me up. As I was standing
on the sideline. Bruh, that was the most area shit ever.
What was yours?
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Like?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Bro? Mine was kind of the same. I had one
and it was in the Ravens game. Bro.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I was going to go get a tackle and Do
was blocking me and had my arm and I couldn't put.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
My hand down. My head just bum busting to the ground.
Same way.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
All of a sudden, I just see people, Yo, you good,
you good, you good. I'm thinking it's just right like
like it happened, and not to open my eyes.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
It's probably been a good minute, you know what I'm saying.
And I'm looking around everybody. Nobody.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
I'm like, oh shit, walk me off to the sideline,
go to the back. Get to ask me what date
it was? Same thing you said, deepo Sunday. I don't
know the number of forty second fifty Sunday.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
We had Baltimore for shure. Yeah, I didn't remember. They
kept my ass out of there. But that was my
worst one. You had more than one that that was
out out.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
I had to I had too. What was the other one?
The other one? Think that's the crazy part. I'm trying
to remember the other one. I'm still concussed from that joint.
Let me stop laughing, bro man, listen, I don't know why, wen,
(48:21):
I don't know what that's and you know what, we
need to stop laughing.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
We laughing laughing to stop, but you gotta laugh keep
from crying.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Sometimes the sure Yeah that's that's somebody be the game,
they say. The new kicking ball procedures have drastically changed
field goals. Todd Bowle says long field goals are about
the terminator, about the terminal terminator, What the hell?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
I can't read that.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
It's about like kickers, terminator like kickers, like not the
kicking balls?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
What what? What? What is going on with the kick balls?
What's What's so?
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I think what's coming down is they're letting them do
the kicking balls now like they do the game boss.
You know how you get a game ball and you
grab it fresh out the box. It's slick, is catch
you can't grasp?
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yes, like, so they're letting them scrub the balls up
to condition them so you could grip them. Well, I
get before with the kicking balls, they just used the
new ball, you had no basically grip on it.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
So they let them were able to yes, yes, So
I don't I don't see it. I don't see an
issue with it, dude.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I think they're just don't get me wrong, They're they're
being able to.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
We can you see a whole lot of long field
goals now.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
But I think you would get that before if you
just like, that's like trying to catch a brand new
ball out the box. Dude, you're not going to catch
one of those brand new balls out the box without
gloves on. It's no way.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Like they're actually they're they're slippery, They're not just like
it's not just their slippery for real.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
That's that and it's like it feels like it's almost
like a coding over the material ball some somewhat like
I don't know what it is. But if you don't,
if you don't have time to work with those, brush
them up, get them in like they're coming.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
So that's all that they're doing.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
All they're doing is massage the dang that was about
to be crazy massaging. Yeah, all they're doing is uh damn,
how do you say that without being crazy? All they
do is massage in the footballs. That's it, like the
quarterbacks do. I was like, oh my goodness, I'm sounding crazy.
How do I say this? The massaging the football? So
(50:39):
you're basically getting it too, like the way the quarterbacks
do it though, Like they're not taking no air out,
they're not putting no air in.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
They're just literally massage in the slickness off the ball,
right right, Oh right.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Well that's too bad then, coach, they're gonna dire. That's
that's a that's a regular ball. You just got got
the right amount of pi air in it.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Let them boot the joint right, you got you got,
you got the air you're supposed to have in it.
Like it don't make no sense. Some people like to
wear new shoes every game. Some guys like to break
their shoes and during the week and then wear them,
you know in the game. That's you know, preference, that's
that's preference. But for this, that's not preference.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
If you told them they couldn't do nothing with a ball.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
That was uh just fresh out the box, they had
to play with brand new balls that weren't worked in,
weren't conditioned into it, the game will look totally differ.
You know, what they want points. I'm tripping. I don't
even know what I'm tripping on.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I should have knew that they want points, more points,
so they let the condition the balls. I don't see
a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
You're not when anything, you know, illegal, You're not deflating
or hyper inflating the ball. You got to have it
at a certain you know. So I don't because.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Somebody if I don't think if anybody, I don't know,
if anybody touched it, like.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Make sure they get the duke the fresh duke NFL football,
fresh out of the pack. That's that's impossible to play.
You can't play with that ball. So like instantly, everybody,
every team I've been on all quarterbacks, one of them
either like the certain type. They want their they want
that football is to field, so you gotta every I've
never seen a quarterback use a football fresh out of
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the pack and just bring it to the practice field.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
That that's that that never seen it before. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
So previously teams got three rand new kicking balls within
thirty to ninety minutes before a given game started. So
as of twenty twenty five, teams get all sixty kicking
balls to start the year, with unlimited time to break
them in.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Then each can use up to three a game. Yeah, okay, okay,
I mean I'm not mad at that at all. I
just think that this is going is going to obviously
back up that that.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
So how did you make.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Sure that it's over? They got numbers on them? I'm
tripping yep, they got numbers on them. They locked in,
they locked in, they got they got so you can
only use three. You get all of them, can you
reuse them?
Speaker 2 (53:08):
But that's the crazy part. No, you can't use them.
You gotta use the three.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
So that makes sense why they be trying to get
them down kicking balls back so bad, like if the
drink goes into the stands. They're trying to go get
that because I'm like, you only got three.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I guess each one can be used in three games,
so each one can be using three games.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, it can be used up to three games. So
basically I could take three balls and I could use
them for those three games, and then you gotta switch
it out. Then you gotta switch them out because.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
He said they get sixty of them.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, they say they get sixty balls to kick, or
they get sixty balls you know at the start of
the year. That are the kicking balls with unlimited time
to break them in. Then each team can use up
to three three can use up to Yeah, then each
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can be used up to three times a game up
to three games. Sorry, three games, so each ball can
be used for three games total.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Perfect. Yeah, I don't coaches, he the eagle d E.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
I'll tell you what, It don't matter what kind of
ball they put on the ground for me. I can't
kick that some bitch, so it ain't it don't matter.
You gotta have a skill. You gotta have a skill
for sure.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
And I think, man with the Eagle DC, you might
like hope hopefully your kicker is making sure his ball
is perfect, so he can boot that thing sixty ydds. Definitely,
they get mad. They ain't got a good There.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Is firing off on them balls.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
But back in the day, didn't they No, Back in
the day, they had a shape ball, didn't they little? No,
Little you're talking about back in the day. You're talking
about the helmets. Yeah, probably, But back in the day
the bo we only had to guard to thirty five
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yard line.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
That's what I was taught at first, the guard of
thirty five.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Now niggas got a damnar guard to fifty because soon
as they passed half, they can kick the field.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Goal from there.
Speaker 6 (55:23):
Hey, if you got a good field goal kicker, brou
oh yeah, dangerous, yes, yes, Like like this dude, this one, dude,
this one dude, he's like the coldest field goal kicker.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Man. Like bank roll, bar bank roll, come on, bank roll. Hey, look,
I ain't no, you know I love bankroll.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Ay, you got lucky, man, you got lucky. I made
I made him the greatest kicker alive. Man.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I told her, boy, if you missed that field wash back.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
You scared him the greatness. I scared him the greatness.
Hey you welcome, baby. Hey, I don't even need, no
thank you, no appreciation. You know what I'm saying, It ain't.
I don't need a man.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
But we hey, between you and me and everybody else
in the world, now we know.
Speaker 7 (56:15):
We know and he needs you who you are? Okay,
good old bank roll, bank roll, Bob Man.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Gang.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
We got something, we got we got we got some
money here, we got some donations here ten dollars.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Thank you, We appreciate you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
He said, what's up from Heath Miller Country. Well, hey,
that's down the MVA. Ain't Heath Miller. Ain't that Heath
Miller and he's Miller from v A?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
I think so? Okay, okay, he said, let's go bliss Burgh.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Love you guys, Joe and nine to two from Swords
Creek v A. I told you it was VA you did.
I'm good like that, bruh. Appreciate you like that?
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Okay. Graphical debo.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I do what I
could do when I could do it. But you know
when I can't do it, I still do it and
still do it.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
And you know I'm gonna come and you know me.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
I'm in good old London Brown's about to go ahead
and get it done though somehow.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Hey, don't don't.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Don't don't mess around out there and get by the
same team.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
We just okay, what they about to do? Say tell
me what they about to do. Because you there with them,
you talking to them, I ain't gotta say. You ain't
got to say. Oh they said, he said, just tell
me what you say they about to do to the Vikings.
This right here is what Joe is saying. The Browns
are going to do to the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Run it, dang, come all this way just to come
this way. We came out here to whoop ass and
take names fun. That's all I got to say about that.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
That's it. That's all you got to say.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
Hey, Vikings, Browns came out there to whoop your ass
and put your names on their list.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
I just want you to know that. Joe Hayden said.
Speaker 4 (58:14):
That this.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Were here for a good time, not all the time.
They've been here for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
They getting all chill, They eating all these crepes and grapes.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Get out of.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
Here, crapes and grapes. What about the don't they got
tea or somewhere in London?
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Yeah, they got tea too, and get out of here.
We ain't come none of that. We came to whoop
some ass and.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Go home a crump it up a tighter chip to
crump back a chip A chip a too. Listens, is
pissed off. They thene lost.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
They had to stay out there almost two weeks.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yes, they mad.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Listen, they about to stump a mud holding y'all ass and.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
Walking c yep, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna Ceeo bask on Monday. Boy,
I want that same wan. Look here, baby, we want
to thank you guys for joining us. Oh, Debo and
Joe and I want y'all to go watch Viking Stumper
(59:20):
mud hole in the Browns.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Ass with y'all subscribed to Sana. We will be back
at it on Monday.
Speaker 3 (59:29):
M be here Monday. Make sure you like a subscribe.
Make sure you like a subscribe. I got something for Debo.
Oh you got something? He got he got something for Debo.
Joseph from London. What you got to say, Joe? I
gotta say watch the Browns. Will ask make sure you
like a subscribe to the Debo and Joe show.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
We will see you Monday.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
I got something for depot asked when the browns whoop
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