Deebo & Joe - Eagles-Giants REACTION: Jaxson Dart STUNS Jalen Hurts + Steelers-Browns preview

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to a Thursday Night Football where Jaxson Dart and the New York Giants took down Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles. Later, Deebo & Joe breakdown the biggest matchups heading into Week 6 of the 2025 NFL season!

Timeline:
00:00 - Eagles fall to Giants
17:40 - Shedeur not Brown QB2
27:00 - Joe Flacco to Bengals
29:56 - Michael Irvin GOES OFF 
38:00 - Chris Jones slacking
43:00 - Lamar Jackson Playing?
56:40 - Who is Joe rooting for?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James
Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden.
Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't
want to miss nothing. Joe, Hey, before we get into it,
how was your How was your trip back?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Trip back was great man, Thank you Debo. Uh.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
The only thing that was crazy was I need to
get that Global Entry because I was in the customs
line for like forty five minutes when I got back,
so I got to get the Global Entry up. That
was a rookie move on my part. But besides that
flight was good, direct straight to IAD, smooth back, good.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Bank question, no question, no question. You gotta get glow wrens.
You don't do that. You gotta give up a lot.
But it ain't like they can't see everything anyway. They
know me. It's straight through. It's like two minutes I
had I had it when I did Mexico City.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Broad I saw the Global Entry people going through and
my phone was dying, so I couldn't even download the apps.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I just I just took it. I took it. I
chalked it up for l won't happen again. Yeah, you
gotta go through a whole little process though. It ain't
just apply and that's it. They got to call you,
gotta do an interview, you gotta do all that. I
did that process to it, okay, but uh, you know,
the Giants went on head and did their thing right there,
you know, against Philly. I'm crazy, dude, I did not
see that coming. Especially you know, as soon as the

(01:21):
game started, like Philly, the first two players say, Kwan
go eighteen to thirteen, yes, and I'm like, okay, it's
about to be something. They get a hot field goal.
But the Giants come back and dude, on two consecutive
third downs, they get like thirty on the one third
down and then the next one, Dark scrambles for a

(01:44):
twenty yard touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Dude, bro Dark popped off the game like when Eagles
came down, Like you said, they stoleed out, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
What I'm saying. So they couldn't get this, couldn't get
the touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Sa Kwan only got the got the two carries popping
off looking sweet.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
But when Stark got the ball and he.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Was just able to his first pass to the my
man the six four, the six to four off the
practice squad. He had nameless great faces receivers that he
was out there throwing the two. And then Eagles having
a great call on defense. They had a spy for him, Debo.
He was able to jupe the spy me froun get
the touchdown. I'm like, okay, he's looking. He did exactly
what he had to do. So game popped off super exciting.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. Then Philly came back out and they had what
it was like a negative three yard run. Then they
got sacked, so they were up out of there three
and out and come your boy darted again. Yes, dude,
like unbelievable. I think it was one for almost thirty
another one thirty five, another touchdown.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
He was scrambling, bro, he was being able to use
his legs like just creating players, being just dodging, making sure,
being smooth.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
It was looking like he was he was in control
of the game. He wasn't making any bad plays. He
was doing things on time, and he just and I
ain't gonna lie to you. One thing I liked about
daring to lot like when I look at a quarterback too,
some quarterbacks look goofy in their equipment.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
You know what I'm saying. He looks sweet. My man
got the spat on, he got the vibe, share the
swag on point. His swag is on point. Like he
looks like.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm like this, I'm looking at I was looking like this,
young I want that quarterback to be a quarterback of
my team because he just looks cool.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
He looks comfortable, he looks in the flow.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
He's having fun, he's enjoying it, and he's swagging when
he was doing it. So I would just had to
throw that out there. I know it would mean nothing,
but you know you had to look at this goofy.
Some dudes just look goofy in his equipment AKA Ravens
quarterback back up. He comes out there, I'm like this,
he looks a little bit nervous. Dark doesn't look nervous.
He looks like he's a control. He looks like he's chilling.
He looks he's done this before. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
But Philly popp back out there less than what four
minutes a little close to four minutes, seventy five yards.
They get a touchdown and I'm like, yo, this is
just the first quarter. We about to have one of
those games where it's back and forward, back and forth,
back in through the joint.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
When he scored, he threw the deep joint the aj
brown one handed fire, you know what I'm saying. So
getting them, trying to get them involved. So definitely looked
like it was gonna be good. That's it was ten
to thirteen right there when they went there.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, then he get back right back out there. Second
quarter they get another seven another eight minutes off the clock,
seventy five yards. Yes, yes, tables turning, you know, giants
done held up long as they could, you know, de bo.
That's when they did all them damn touch pushes. Yes,
and you see you went off side. Eddie jumped through
the second one. You see went off sides on the one.

(04:28):
They should do these tooch pushes, man, And did you
hit a referee?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Tho they said he went off side and refuge like
this in real time, you know, you probably couldn't really tell.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I'm like, oh my good god, listen, stop it. So
we're going real time now, so we ain't calling penalties.
Y'all ain't doing the same slow mode when the defense
get a hair jump and they in the neutrals on
y'all doing the same thing. Come give me the same
Curtis they want to score points. And then Giants ended
up going right back and answered Dart and Scatterable went

(04:57):
on ahead and said, you know what, we're go ahead
and get this twenty seventeen a half time. Yes. Yes.
The dude, he was totaling that pill.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
He was laying, he was he was coming down with
his with the crown of his helmet debo he runs
with the.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Listen, man, I don't I don't have a problem with that,
because you got to protect yourself. You got to drop
your head. He ain't going to drop his head and
do like this to get popped. He trying to get down,
like understanding that, So you know, I'm when you're coming
in to make or something. Yeah you know, yeah, okay,
you're in there because you're not even being able to wrap.
So I understand that. The halftime you got you got

(05:34):
say Kwan with Basically he had three carries that was
forty nine yards, and then another five carries that was
what maybe eight yards, So he ended up halftime with
eight carries fifty six yards, and then he ended the game,
dude with only four more carriages with fifty eight Like

(05:55):
I don't know what they're thinking anyway, Man, that's gonna
get to that. That's at the hat. Get that later.
And then the third quarter starts, Yes, yes, yes, he
go them two dudes again, the two dudes Darden Dart
and Darted skateboard.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
They activate activate, came out that joint looking sweet. Then
they have to I think the first one, Dark threw
a great pass. They made a good play on third
and two, so knocked it down so they had to plunt.
Then this is when the Eagles get the ball in
the second half, when I'm like, all right, now, do
you all gotta stop, Let's make something happen.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Jalen hurts.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was a blown coverage on that third and eight
with DeVonta Smith running stop free down the field.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's a play you have to make. You have to
make that.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
That's seven. That's literally, you know what I'm saying, you
could get all day. That's just a little dumping, the
dumping the bucket so.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
That they missed that.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
That's one play with I think that that one really
turned momentum. I think there was a lot of plays
in the game that could have changed, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
The outcome one place you get to the end, the
more you know you could have it could have changed momentum,
you know that you know this or.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Make But he missed that one and they had to
punt the ball mm hmm. And like you said, again,
scatter bout started giving them what they wanted, no.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Go ahead. Yeah, I said, it was out of control, man,
Like these these two rookies was doing their thing on
they went crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
And then that's the one when they scored and they started,
like I said, the swag the over. Did you see
them dancing together having a good time, coming with the
vibes like sa, like everybody was.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
The energy was so real, bro, So I was rocking
with just seeing them. Dudes.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm like, yo, the giants look sweet, they look energetic,
you know what I'm saying. Everybody's making place. So then
they that was made it twenty seven to seventeen.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah right, he was told that well that I ain't
gonna lie. That challenge was big because he ended up
getting sacked. You know, the Giants challenged that catch, they
reversed that catch, sacked and they had to punt the ball. Okay,
right yeah, correct, right, But like you know, the killer
was you know when they got to that fourth quarter

(08:02):
and he short that ball, threw it a little behind
him and dude was able to pick that off like that.
That really you know, it changed momentum like crazy word.
You know, you thought they might have had a chance.
And you know, we gotta go back. We gotta go back.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
We gotta go back to when we when my man,
when uh, when when I thought Jackson Dark was gonna
be hurt and running out Russell came.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Been and through the ground ball and de Bo got this,
I know, the concussion that that was just you know,
that was a glitch. You know you get glitches in
the get. That was just quick little glitch. You had
to go ahead and do what to do getting there.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I have to just say how much I laughed at
how Dave Bo was spazing on the control like the
you know you had the Hey.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Everybody went into the tent. Everybody, you know, he out
here throwing this motherfuckering the dirt.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Boys thirty nine you see the threw it in the dirt.
Oh okay, my bad. I just had to I just
had to play because I.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Was gonna let it slide.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
No debo they had been last I'm like, I'm like
they are in dire need for that quarterback dark if
you don't get the hell out that tent.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Everybody went in the tent, Yes, everybody. Everybody had to
go in the tin. What's going on? The doctors doing?
What the hell they hold on? Man? Is he man? No,
he's I know, he's good. They was like, he's good.
Yea yeah, yeah, get him on out here. Did you
just see what we saw? Get him on out he
could be all out here, he gonna be all right.
And like I said, he threw that pick and then
bro get Finally, when we thought was a stop, they

(09:42):
get a huge Philly get a huge PI that keeps
the driver alive and they're able to score again. And
it's thirty four to seventeen, Yes sir, yes sir, thirty
four seventeen. And then this is what I'm saying that
And then we got my man. Where is sa They
have him out the game. They keep giving the ball,
dropping it off, the.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Dealing and I'm not no, no disrespect to AJ Dillon
Coff the jone up, you know what I'm saying. Another
turnover which is going to literally finish the game. And
then scatterbrew and sing was able to.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Listen to the moralizing part of this, dude, please you
boys win six minute offense on them, yes, okay, and
you know they're going to run the ball team run, run,
and you cannot stop it, over and over and over
and they run the clock out with almost seven minutes
left on the clock to end the game.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yes, moralizing, right, that's that's reminded me of that Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And you keep hitting them in the face over over
over over. You know, turn they was turning shoulders, They
was turning shoulders to some of them. His he was
lowering his shoulders too. At the when it was getting
towards that third and fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Man, man, for sure, he lifted scatter boy, he even
went bro Scatterbuls got the fifteen y'all penalty because he
finally got lifted up out of battles.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Buddy took him off his feet and.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
He ran back over like yeah, it's still first down,
and they threw a flag on him.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Oh man, you gotta grow up on that. He still
ran for the fifty. He already run. He already know
what you did to him. Go ahead, don't don't give
him a little cheap fifteen he took the fifteen and still.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
When it got another first down, though, I was like, oh,
he don't care. They still ran out the clock after that.
Like that wasn't the like, Oh, no, you're gonna give
him the ball back, give him a chance on you
you messed.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Up here like this.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
No, okay, I'll get that fifteen back. And they know
I'm toting it him. As Singletary was running that thing
crazy to close the game. I know they felt ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, yeah, Philly, Philly got some They got some problems
over there, dude. The offense, they only converted one third down, dude,
bro one third down seventy five yards rushing. Dude, here's
the thing, Like you got seventy five yards rushing. Last year,
y'all was second in rushing. Y'all, y'all did one hundred
and seventy nine yards of rushing on average, Like what

(12:00):
are we talking about? Like you were almost forty two
on third down. I think that was tenth in the league.
And now as of today, you only getting ninety five
as a average for your rush per game, Like you're
twenty six, dude. You were built on rushing the ball.

(12:23):
Last year you only had one hundred and eighty seven
yards passing the game. This year you're trying to do
it more. You still only got one hundred and seventy
nine passing the game. Last year you was twenty eight
this year, I mean last year was twenty nine. This
year you twenty eight. Like you ain't did nothing better,
and your third down efficiency doesne drop to thirty four percent?
Like situationally, you're terrible. Five out of the last six games,

(12:47):
Sekwan ain't even had over sixty yards rushing. You got
Hurts getting socked left and right. Rather he's missing receivers
that's open not seeing him or whatever's going on. You're
not running the ball like you were built on, like
running the rock. That's what y'all did. Yes, you have
to just totally abandon it, like you gotta you gotta

(13:11):
get back to it. I don't, I just don't understand it.
I mean, you're exactly right.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
There's no reason Sakuon Barkley, how you started a game
with the two carries for those exposive plays and you
don't continue to give him the ball, like if he
gets less than fifteen touches, it's a crime. You have
Saquon barkers on your team, on your squad. How you
gonna get established to run? You have to continue to
give him the ball. You gotta keep some like. There's

(13:39):
no flow of the game when you're not getting him
the ball getting them going, and you don't have to
keep giving it to him throwing the screen.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Listen, you have to give him the ball running. I
don't care about touches and all. You have to give
him the ball running. Why because he has the ability
to do make one dude miss and go ahead and
strike the band up for forty fifty whatever that may be.
So for you to not consistently get him to ball
to get those opportunities don't make no sense to me

(14:07):
when you've already had success doing it last year. That's
what you did. Now you're gonna let all these people
running around here saying you're not being able to do this.
He can't do that, he can't pass this, he can't
catch this. I'm not catching that. Change with made y'all successful.
I don't understand that. I wouldn't care if I'm the
head dude, I don't give a damn what they say.

(14:27):
If we winning, ain't nothing about to get changed, No,
I don't care if we twenty eight, twenty ninth in
passing second in Russian? What are we talking about here?
They understand it, Dude. I don't get it either, Debo.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
They it's something something's up because it's he's not even
in the game sometimes though, Debo. So that's what I'm asking, like,
why'ret is not even there? He's not even in the game,
So there has to be something where I'm like, what
is going on? It has to be something, and the
like why are the coach is not having Saquan in
the game. No disrespect the AJ Dillon, but we saw

(15:03):
what Tae Kwong was able to do and leading that
team to what they were able to do last year.
It's not too much different than him getting less than
fifteen touches. Is when y'all keep the team in the lose.
What There's something that I'm not saying because if you
have him on your team, he's healthy, he looks like
he wants to get the ball, give him the rock,
you know what I'm saying, Like it doesn't seem if
you are like men, you're saying the same thing.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Listen, I done paid you all that money. I'm gonna
use you up. I'm not managing anything, man. We're about
to get back to where we were and try and
repeat this thing. The Giants, they you know, they two
rookies came out there and did what they needed to
do and they're improving, like you know, from from one
game to the next. The offensive line actually paid well,
especially in the running game. In the fourth quarter. You know,

(15:46):
I'm about to run the ball and you can't stop that.
We fish played great situation in football. Third down, they
only gave one percent on third down. Y'all gave a
one third down one. I mean, I don't even know
how many times that can be said in the periodice.
That's elite that Yes, we were talking. They're not known

(16:06):
as like that super elite defense, but they have a
good defensive line.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
But one third down, those d ns, man, those like
both both all of them, Like number zero five, They
getting after the quarterback and.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
At the same time the secondary.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
No miscommunications, no people just running scott free down the secondary.
But at the same time, I'm gonna say, when your
offense is converting at a clip of eleven, they were
eleven for sixteen, I'm gonna say eleven for fifteen because
Russell came in there threw it in the dirt. So
my man, Jackson Dark, he wasn for fifteen for third downs.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
And that was just making sure he ain't turned it over. No,
just man, come on, he just made sure he didn't
throw a pit So I respect it. You know what
I'm saying. It was what it was.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
I hope somebody I didn't They didn't show the replay.
I hope somebody tipped it. But that joint hit the
ground like quick. So that was I'm not blaming on Dark.
They was eleven for fifteen, and I saw that that's
the most since twenty fourteen could burn eleven four eleven
third downs in the Giant's history.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
They haven't done that in eleven years.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
So him just going out there being able to continue,
being able to make those passes on third down, third
and eight overs, deep overs on the dime, and like
dropping passes, not just touchballs, like no defense. A lot
of those they were saying to Dori, Jackson wasn't in
a position. He was in position a lot of plays
and they were just making tough catches, great passes in
the spot where only the receiver.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Can get it and you can't. So that was Dark
being dark and one hundred and ninety five yards isn't
nothing to go home about.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
But the way that he was being able to create
on third using his legs thirty what do you had,
like thirteen rushers for fifty eight yards in a touchdown,
seventeen to twenty five, one to ninety five in a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
That's great football.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
And the way that he did it, being able to
be so efficient on third down, moving the chains, keeping
drives alive.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
That's winning football. And he looked like a baller like that.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
If Jackson Dark can just do that, eliminates it. He
didn't have no turnovers. He was sad fired two times,
but like him being able to scramble use his legs
and then looking keeping his eyes down field. Those receivers
aren't the best receivers, like nobody's gonna be able to nobody.
None of those receivers are all pros, none of them
receivers being Pro bowlers. He had dudes off the street
right and they were making them look great. Catch the ball,
run the right route the ball. I'm gonna put it there.

(18:16):
You just catch it, you know what I'm saying. That
makes that that gives everybody confidence like you do your job.
I'm gonna do min I'm gonna put the spot ball
what it needs to be, You make the catch, and
we're gonna keep this thing going. So I'm very, very
excited for the way that Jackson Dark was playing and
the way he looks so calm.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
It look like this is what I do. I'm normal.
I've been doing this my whole life, and the moment's
not too big. I'm just I'm out here chilling like
I'm playing football, and I love it. Oh yeah, for sure,
for sure he did. He did well, no question. I
hope they hopefully they can, you know, keep improving. New
York might have something to root for it. But let's
get over here to the to the brown stillers so

(18:52):
oh Rogers. He shared why Pittsburgh has not been able
to unlock the deep, you know, the deep balls downfield, said,
teams are playing cover too. When you're playing cover two,
there's not going to be a ton of big shots
down the field until we get them in one high.
It's going to be precise passing and shorter the sticks.
If you're playing cover too, there's not going to be

(19:13):
a lot of shots opened down the boundary. We've just
got to be efficient. I absolutely understand what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
The reason I'm good with it is because like he's
a veteran quarterback. He understands what needs to be done
when it needs to be done, and we don't have
It's not like we have a really good offensive line.
We don't. You know, we got an average offensive line,
to say the best in both you know, passing and
run blocking. So a lot of these teams are playing

(19:46):
cover too because they're not worried about the run. So
you have to do things that you know we do,
like the quick game passing alternative run game instead of
you know, trying to hand the ball off. But if
you get to where we're able to now make you
get into situations where you gotta put that other guy
in the box. You can't play cover too. The offensive

(20:08):
line starts blocking, well, we're able to run the ball well,
that will open up the deep passes that you'll be
able to get because now you'll get that single high
you got to get the other guy in the box
because now we're running the ball effectively. So I have
no problem with it. You know, with the comments, what's
what's your what's your thoughts on I'm the same way

(20:29):
that you are, Debo. You know how it is.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I play dB and the best way to keep the
d ball from you is playing too high. If you
play cover two, your corners, you make sure you get
hands on one and that dude is getting the inside
release so your safety can be able to use. You
keep you keeping the lid on everything. So that makes
your corners a little more active. It keeps you lighting
the run game. But him saying all of this is
just football one on one and knowing the way you're
gonna do that is being able to get them positive runs.

(20:52):
When they're playing cover too, tote the ball the line
blocks a little more. You start getting them.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Six to toe.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
That's two carries. That's the first down. They're gonna start
playing some more cover, some more cover one. They're gonna
start dropping that guy down in the box trying to
prevent you being able to get six yards of carry.
Seven yards of carry. We start toting the ball and
that's gonna start keeping that safety. They're gonna start shooting
down a little bit quicker, and that's gonna have one
on ones outside being able to when those safety drop
you see one dude in the middle of the field
and he's pressed on DK.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Now that's when that's an opportunity for a D ball. Now,
when you got a corner back.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Then you got two safety sitting back there, just a
babob what I'm saying, Like, no, when you get that
one on one, look like, all right, bet, now you
can safety get you can look off the safety and
now you know it's him versus him. If DKs beat him,
he's gonna be a touch now. And that's like, that's
the that's the looks that you want. So when you
don't have defense cover two, we're gonna keep a lid
on it. They're not going deep. There's defense, you can

(21:42):
call it. We're like, no, it's just gonna be able
to prevent the D passes. So he's speaking football one
on one.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
And the way to change that is, you know, start
running the ball, start toting it, start being able to
get those runs where now they got to add another
person in the box. Yeah, definitely, Tom and shared, Uh
what separates dealing game from other NFL rookies. He said
he's older, more experienced than most rookies. I think timely,

(22:08):
I think timely possessing. I think timely process is timely.
I think his experience and that super and that superpower
has to be on display, and I think that was
one of the central reasons why the Browns went to him.

(22:29):
My I mean, I totally understand what he's saying here again,
you know, you got Dylan Gabriel. He's what would he
played over sixty games started at Oregon last you know,
his last year there, he completed almost seventy three percent
of his passes bru thirty tugs only six interceptions. So yeah,
he's going to process things faster. He's going to get

(22:52):
in and out of his hands. He doesn't seen it.
He has a better understanding of it, you know. And
on top of that, something else. Dude, he's a dual threat.
Like he can he can take off on you. It
ain't like you sitting back there with Joe Flacco. You
know what I'm saying. For sure, Hey, he go be
in the pocket. I could go on ahead and I
can lose container and everything else. He'll catch back up
to him, you know, like you know, get around you

(23:14):
like what uh what do you see in uh the
enemy's quarterback? Because I see you got your You're still
as Jersey on they must be the enemy today. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I told you, Debo, you got I could do both.
You know what I'm saying, range, Debo, I got range.
So back to Dylan Gabriel, I'm understanding of PLU completely
what coach Tomlin is saying. I think it's like like
from what I've seen with Dylan, he protects the football,
being able to he says, timely processing is his superpower.
So making quick decisions, being able to, you know what

(23:46):
I'm saying, get back once you hit that backstep, being
able to let the ball go, and being able to
make good decisions. He doesn't throw interceptions and if nothing's there,
he'd be able to use his legs. So I understand
what coach he is saying. He doesn't turn the ball
over and he's quick to make decisions. He played a
lot of football when he was in college too, so
from the first game that I saw him play, when
he did in Minnesota his first start, a lot of

(24:08):
the same things. Quick the process, were able to get
the ball ey his hands fast. But I just need
him to make some of those deeper throws. So not bad,
but still some of the things that coach Tomlin saying
is exactly the same things and what we saw and
why he's still gonna be able to beat the quarterback
and for the next like at couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, quarterbacks. Speaking of quarterbacks, they are actually the Browns.
I don't know if I want to say y'all or
or they when this when this is, when it's the
bow and you say the Browns, you can still say y'all, y'all, Okay,
I ain't gonna be saying no we I'm gonna say
us then, okay, okay, so y'all, y'all are actually paying

(24:44):
eight quarterbacks. Four of them are on the team, but
only two of them are active. One is on practice
squad and uh, your boy Kevin Stefanski say, don't know
who the backup is? I mean, I'm doing the math
right now. The backup who Listen. I was trying not

(25:10):
to say. I was trying to listen. Listen, listen. I
was trying not to like give any like, oh, y'all,
trying to you know, fuck overstore all this other stuff.
I was trying to like trying to keep it even.
But this right here, you're telling me your head coach
don't know who his backup is and he only got
two of them on the active roster.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Huh, this, Debo, I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna
go ahead, get to it. We only all right, no bumpet,
it ain't no way he wanted this man on his team. Bro,
that's the most I don't know who my backup quarterback is.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
You only got two of them. You just traded the
one that was supposed to be two. Three gotta be two.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I can't they plan They talking about you know what, Debo,
they're talking about Zappy. They talking about their disrespecting right
now in the level that are practice squad quarterback.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
So you're telling me you're gonna bring him up a
practice squad, make him to in front of your door.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Listen, Debo, I'm not telling you what I'm gonna do it.
This is what I'm this, this one I'm trying to
tell you right now, and this is where I'm ready
to go.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Can you hear me? Hey, listen, man, can you hear me?
Why don't y'all just trade him the Cincinnati since no, hell,
you traded you You traded Flako over there if he
was your two, and you still don't know who you too,
a hell you could. I'm trying to know this. What
I'm trying to tell you you need to let me
tell you something.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
This right here is straight disrespectful. Why I'm saying this
is I don't give a damn. Chador was your fifth
round pick, after you picked Dylan Gabriel. I understand all
of this. This is just your fifth front pick. Joe
Flacco starts Dylan Gabriel a second Chador's third Zapi didn't.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Even make your active roster. You couldn't make your team.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
So just mathematically, you don't disrespect your fifth round pick
like this. Joe Flack gets his opportunity, the second round pick,
this third round pick, Dylan Now he gets the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
He's the starter. Now you got rid of Flack up Boom.
The door is number two. If you don't make your
door your number two. Now you're being very disrespectful. I
have to ask you, why is he not your number two?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yes, because now you're trying to throw in Zappy. He
couldn't even make your active roster. You had three quarterbacks
to start the season. Just the way it goes, one
is gone, then the other one comes up, then he gone.
And now and now and now he moves up.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Hey, hey, listen, hold on, hold on, hold up. What
is this going to do to the locker room for
guys who are in support of door, for anybody that
you put it out there and you say you don't
know who your backup number two quarterback is Nobody. I'm
looking at you as a head coach is like, this
is the dumbest motherfucker in the world. It's the most

(27:57):
disrespectful motherfucker and the world. How do you do this?
Like end of the day.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I understand if you don't like Shador, if you do
like him, if you don't like him as a football
he don't like him for sure, No, for sure, he
definitely don He definitely don't like him. He definitely don't
like him. He definitely don't like him.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
And I don't even like to get like this because
it's really supposed to be you are. Football is the
only sport where you if you're gonna get your opportunity
because it's how.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Good you are and when you play, and then like
like it doesn't matter about nothing, don't matter about your color,
don't matter about nothing.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
It's if you can perform, you can play, So right
now with Dylan is on.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
You drafted this man, you had petty whatever, like he
should be back up to get his opportunity.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You creating more drama. You got two quarterbacks on your team.
All you had to do was say, yes, Sor is
the backup. Why would out of your way to say
you don't know, yes, You're going out of your way. DEEPO,
he's going out of his way to create something. And
then at the same time, like there when we're protect
him when he was the third string quarterback, don't keep him,

(29:03):
don't have him available to speak to the media.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
He doesn't want to talk to the media. He has
nothing to say to the media because he knows that
he's not going to play. So he's gonna chill and
do what you gotta do. Y'all keep making him available,
letting him be available. Is y'all handled it wrong? Y'all
don't want.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Your door to be there. So let him go zero,
let him go, let him go. I'm good. I'm good.
I'm good on that, because yeah, they just they doing
my dog. They're doing there.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
They're doing him wrong as a football player, as a
draft pick for the Browns, I would feel disrespected.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Mm hmm, for sure. For sure, like and as the
locker room I'm like, yo, I was trying to be
even killed with her, but yo, they really do not
like this cat man like him, and they just got
rid of my good man Greg knew him too. It
makes ball in this year.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Having a great year, great one of the best locker
room dudes ever, and just got rid of him.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I don't get it. I don't get it. Hey, Bruce Bruce,
you know, you know BA Bruce arians coordinating for US
head coach in Arizona. He said, I don't know how
how you keeping this job this long? Like how do
you after that? How? I don't you're the owner or
that's that ship you was talking about in Cleveland. How

(30:20):
they don't know what the hell they're doing period? Is
that what you was talking about?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I mean right now with this then the way of
just looking is I don't know what to say, like
they don't they obviously don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Like from this, it's just it's just.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
All bad moves. It's bad business. It's the way you
treat people. I mean, at the end of the day too,
you've you are you the Stellers they.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Do a better job like Kenny Pickett, they picked the
first round draft pick.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
They knew they messed up. They were able to move on.
They're grown, they can make decisions and move on. To
be able to take accountability, you gotta be able to
take accountability when you make a bad move and move
on and grow up and then make better moves moving forward,
like move like a business.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Don't do that like this is just crazy. Well, hey, listen,
at least the Bengals think that, you know, they gotta
they got a better chance that you know, we hope
this season when they when they got Flacco. You know,
do you think what do you think that you think
they got a better chance with with Flaco in there?
I mean they don't.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I mean, he gonna throw the ball, he go, jamar
Cha is gonna have some numbers. See Higgins gonna have
his opportunities. Flaco's a vet. I mean, he's gonna have
those receivers. That's I mean, he gonna give him a
chance that he's gonna throw it up. So I mean,
I don't, I don't. I don't believe in the Bengals.
I don't think the Bengals is going to be doing
too much better. I think Flacco is gonna make them serviceable,
but I don't see them winning too many more games

(31:43):
than they would have with Browner.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Well, it says gives the team hope, hope for this season,
more hope. What's more hope than they had with the
other cat I think, you know, they're definitely going to
have a better chance, you know, with with Joe get
the defense is able to play as well as they
did against the Lions, but again they're still what a

(32:10):
thirtieth ranked defense right now. They're they're giving up a lot.
They actually had some you know, they had some good stuff,
but at the same time they're they're getting they're giving
up sacks too. The offense is dead last. Flacco is
not going to help you with anything on the rush,
Like he's gonna be sitting right there in the pocket.

(32:33):
You know, just you know, they do more than like
one hundred and seventy yards game, but who knows he's
You're gonna get more sacks, that's no question, because he
will be sitting right there in the pocket. You ain't
got to worry about him running nowhere. You're gonna know
where he at. But if he you know, if he
gets on time, he gets his timing good and everything is, Yeah,

(32:54):
it's gonna look different. It gotta look better than what
they had. It gotta look better than that unless he
go and do what he did with Cleveland with all
them picks. I don't know, something like to say.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not knocking Flac.
I love George Joe Flack is a good man, but
it's talking we're talking about it's a performance based sport
and it's the NFL.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
It's the best of the best. Like they cant. You're
getting play to play a game.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
So at the end of the day and that one
while I'm on the side, I understand why you're going
to be able to get greater accordingly, you know what
I'm saying, the iron Scott, don't lie if you're doing
If you're just throwing picks up in the air and
miscommunications over there, you haven't been in that situation. So
I hopefully you can learn the offense a little faster
becuse you've been in the league.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
For a while.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
But I remember when you were in Cleveland and when
we got you up out of there, and I was
asking for them to get you up out of there.
I know it could be a change of scenery, but
you're going in year nineteen and you're eighteen.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Like I mean, I don't know. I just don't think
it could be too much of a like junt of energy.
You know what I'm saying that your faes going through
to the Bengals to make them do too much better.
Hope understandably, hope all got hope. We all got hope, Hope,
faith and charity. Hope. Man Michael Everin went off on

(34:10):
a podcast for them, saying that Deon Sanders couldn't cover
the current NFL receivers. Man, listen to this. The receivers
from back then. Might these guys that he played against
want their fanst bro They were stronger, but they want
their fast these guys now, I'd love to see him.
I would have loved to see him play against Chad
and his Prime. I would have loved to see him

(34:31):
play against Justin Jefferson right now in today, you know
all these different guys. I would love to see him
cover Tyree. If Prime is who we think he is,
are you shit k me?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
We are the two most accomplished receivers in the history
of this game. When you're talking about the most important things,
championships and your stupid ass talking about running fast like
people weren't running fast back then?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Are you ship team? Mean? What the hell are you
talking about? I don't even know your name. Dude, Hey man,
lest you what you think? I am right there with him.
It is more players back then that could play now

(35:24):
and have greater success than it is players right now
that could play back then because you had to worry
about getting your head took off. You could bang a
receiver every play. It wasn't about oh he's not by
the ball all that. You run your route and the

(35:44):
player is about to be dead. No, don't be surprised
that safety come down and just block you anyway. They
give you to what are you talking about? They give
you two more steps, dude, Yes, it was a whole
two steps. We only had one. The receivers would not
last back then, like you the receivers back then coming

(36:08):
to now. Man, you can't touch him, you can't do
none of that. And you got guys back then who
are getting beat up all the way up the field,
still breaking loose and getting catches. Now you touch a
dude after five yards and dig go it first down?
What are you talking about don't nobody even know who
this goofball is anyway, like anybody can say anything that
they want to. Dude is out of his rabbit ass

(36:30):
mind just running his mouth for clout and bullshit. Dude,
I don't even that is crazy for that to even
be said, Like the game is way too physical back then,
probably for half of these receivers now to even play then.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
I mean, I'm so, I'm that what one thousand percent.
Deon Sanders would do whatever he wants to do. His speed,
his knowing what the all, knowing the game, his ball skills.
Deon Sanders, in my opinion, was the best cornerback player
I've ever seen in my life. And that is just
off the strength of just the swag, the way he

(37:10):
was able to play the ball and picks.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Like would be so disrespectful to the greatest to ever
play the position. Prime couldn't play into no podcast for that,
bro Prime Time Deon Sanders. And that's when they was
literally like he was being able to put hands in
like they were playing real ball.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
That's why I respect them ogs too, because you can
put your hands on the receivers and the receivers too.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
I respect them even more because you was getting beat
up for real, So like you being able to get
through this, being able to know I'm running this slant.
I got him grabbing on my arm.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
I'm about to get thumbed upside my head catching it
and still coming through there and lasting No, no alligated arms,
no nothing.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
It was a guard. It was it was just gangsters
out there playing.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
And I think with Deon's speed, the way that you
can't watch the tape and know Deon Dion's running four
to two, Deon's catching these picks.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
He's on about what did you know how fast he was? Like,
you didn't have no clue about what you're talking about.
You have no idea, like you need. If you got
anybody that's following you right now watching your show, they
need to unsubscribe because if I see they following you,
I'm going to consider them just as stupid as you,

(38:26):
if not more.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Saying that Dion couldn't He said that Dion wouldn't be
able to cover these NFL receivers. That is ridiculous. De
Bo Dion Sanders that played professional baseball that ran around
two way, ran around through the state like at the combine,

(38:49):
ran through the joint and left. Knew he was getting drafted,
like well, all the chains for the joint. Everybody trying
to play Deon already knew what time it was. He
had swag before swag and then went and got picks
and won Super Bowls, change franchises, will go this is
my house in Atlanta, go back there and run pick
six back and talk to people crazy like Jerry Rice,
talk to him crazy, Michael Erwin talking to him crazy

(39:12):
like real Hall of Famous, real goat jacket.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
You know what I'm saying, Like I understand Jamar Chase definitely,
But at the same he would have to deal with Prime.
You know what I'm saying, like wrong, Like everybody would
have to deal with Prime the same way.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
You need the safeties back. Then stop playing, man, it
ain't no oh. If I don't catch the ball, they can't. No,
you go get hit the ballarless three yards you get
Molly Watt regardless. See if you come back out for
the next play, that's crazy. You gonna be running across
that middle, like you said, with them alligator arms, not

(39:48):
reaching for nothing. All of that. That's not That's one
thing I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever do is
disrespect the Ogs. You can't. You can't. That's my big thing, dude,
Like you can't do the biggest Uh, I ain't gonna

(40:08):
say honor. It was an honor like like the biggest
thing that I ever got told to me was by
the old school players like uh, Joe Green, you know
what I'm saying. Me and Joe Lambert like guys like
that that were like, yo, you could have played with
us back then, like as a linebacker. That was them

(40:32):
say that to you, Like I'm like, oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
The best thing you could ask for is just the
recognition of the og the people that came before you
that you wanted to just show them that you're trying
to hold it down, do it the right way, you
know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Saying, and like rec like approval, like yes, man, I'm
out here working try and get it.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's why I love OG's to always come back and
look out and you're always gonna respect the Ogs.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Always, dude, no question, dude, it was I had something
de bo I wanted to ask you to man. I
wanted to tell you.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Actually, I seen his best four linebacker joint from my man.
He posted them all time and they had ray Lewis,
Brian Urlacker, you, and one other dude.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
It was four of them, bro, how they ain't got
Lawrence Taylor on it. It was L T, LT, LT
obviously my bad, my bad, My bad, my bad, and LT.
It was four. It was LT.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacker and you. That was the joint
that my man posted from DC. I got it and
it was I was like, this, that's.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Real love right there, Oh, no question, real love. I
had to let you know that.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
D Bos saw it yesterday and I was like, I'm
a screenshot. I'm gonna send it to you, but everybody
crazy love Lt.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Ray Lewis. But when they put my good Man, my
co I'm his co host, My good Man debo, I
just won't let you know. I appreciate you. See you debo,
We see you. Og whoever put that up, We're gonna
go ahead and I'm gonna get on the screen. We
gonna go ahead and get you some more. Whatever it is.
We love that. That's a good dude. Speaking of recognition,

(42:09):
I guess this is not the kind of recognition you
won't Chris Jones, he uh, he admitted this mistake. I
guess letting up on the touchdown. You ever been in
a situation like that where you was like, yo, I stopped,
but I then I restarted, But you you ever, I

(42:30):
know I've done it. I've done it once, and from
that point forward, I'm like, yo, if I feel like
I have any chance of getting there, like I gotta
keep running because you play it back in your head
and you're like, dang if I did that, especially when
you lose, like it could have won us the game.
Everybody has a situation like that, but I don't. I've
never had a situation like to that extreme where I stop,

(42:52):
I may like give a little less effort. One time
that I did, like it was like, yeah, I gave
the jaw and if I hadn't, I know for sure
I could have got there. What ah, what's your what's
your h what's your take on guys that do this
and consistently do it like like multiple plays?

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I mean, the first thing we learned Debo was to
get to the ball, you know what I'm saying. And
then the difference was in the NFL was that everybody
has to be touched down. Everybody has to be touched down.
So as a cornerback, they always made sure that they
taught us. You know what I'm saying. If the receiver
catches it goes down, make sure you make sure you
down and make sure you touch them down. So my
biggest thing is always trying to just finish the play.

(43:37):
You never's gonna happen. As a dB I'm trying to
cover when the quarterback falls down.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I know.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
It was funny because the defensive alignment, you're trying to
just go touch the quarterback because you can get.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
They run it too, that quarterback so fast. That's me,
that's me. That's a sack you touch. That's the easiest
sack in the world.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
So like I'm like when that went them boys was
trying to steal that. I would never be able to
touch somebody on the ground before they would touch him.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
So my old thing was I would know, like get
him down.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
My defensive linemen were always thirsty for those extra those
extra sacks.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
But I mean, I don't I don't mean want to
fall to him in that.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
But at the end of the day, like you would
d lineman a blow play into the whistle, it's the
fourth quarter. Hopefully if he is down, you could like
like steal the sack, make sure, like make sure the
referees blow the whistle. If you didn't hear nothing like,
keep keep going. I don't know if you heard the
whistle or something. But like he was, he stood up
to it. It's a it's a mistake. I know he
didn't mean any harm by and it hurts more when
you lose the game. You could really just win in there,

(44:38):
probably tap him down, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
But when even in the process of him getting back up,
it would stop start stop, start, stop start.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
But he was just looking like like he was glittering,
like is this play really happening or is it blown down?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Did he really get up? Fall down? Get up? Fall down?

Speaker 3 (44:53):
But yeah, so I think he knew it was a mistake.
Get to the if you don't. If you see if
you see him running hit him, it's still live action.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
We're still in the.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Game, you know what I'm saying, Like, refere's gonna let
you know when it plays over.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Oh yeah, no question about that. Yeah, I think that's ah,
you know, And I think you're adding to it the
fact that he might have been tired too, you know
what I'm saying, you know, fatigue and make coward out
all of us on the ball on the ball, on
the ball. Yeah yeah, So I mean it's you know,
it's hit and miss. But I respect the fact that

(45:28):
he owned up to it and you know it's like, yeah,
that's definitely something that shouldn't happen. And as as a captain,
as a leader, you know, got don live the tape.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
You're looking at it like this, what do you You
got a person just standing on the tape Like that's
not a good look.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
You post. The game's going on, sir. Run you know
what I'm saying. If you if you need one, we'll
get you one in there. I know there's plenty a
little the backup ready to get in the game, thirsty
for thirsty for action. Like if you can't run, get out,
but you don't want to harm your team. Yeah yeah,
Like if my, you know, if my it's my fifty percent,
it's still better than the dude behind me fresh hundred percent.

(46:05):
Like why do we even have him on the team,
Like we got to get out of here. We gotta
gotta get out. Val you wait and be able to
be like yo, let me get out of here, get
some breath. That that's the test, and then pop back
in and you know, two three plays or whatever. But
when it's in that situation, you're that close, you know,
you're thinking, oh, man, I gotta stand here, I gotta
I gotta do what I can. But when it turns

(46:25):
out looking like that, and you could have had a
fresh body in there that was going one hundred miles
an hour, you know, it makes you It makes you
rethink the situation. So thou one hundred percent, you know, agree,
understand all that. But at least he took ownership for it.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, no, that's the biggest part, Like just not trying
to make excuses for it, like Chris Jones a grown.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Ass man and be like saying, I don't know who
my my backup quarterback is, you know, like and you
only got two of them on the damn team. I
don't know y'all Over there, y'all, y'all messed up over
there man. Speaking it out, the Rams line back Jared
Verse stated that he'd be fucking furious if Lamar Jackson
isn't playing on Sunday. He said that Lamar was on

(47:08):
his sack list with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. You know,
I think, what do you think when when when guys,
you are a linebacker, so you sacking the quarterback. What
do you think about this?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Me?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yes, now, so here here again, I don't want to
give bulletin board material. Okay, okay. The reason I like
it and dislike it I dislike it because you just
gave bulletin board material of personally getting a sack on

(47:47):
Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. Now what you
also did is said, I'm gonna whoop the lines of
the Ravens, the Bills, and the Chiefs. So now you
just told all three of these people that, yo, I'm
putting these on my sack list, so I got to

(48:08):
play them. It don't matter who the hell is in
front of me, and to hell with all that. So
you just gave bulletin war material. Now in the fact
that if you put it like this, I had actually
I did an interview. I don't know if we could play,
but I did an interview with Bill Kawer, and they
were asking a question like, if you saw I believe
it was Terrell Suggs broke down on the side of

(48:32):
the road coming into the game on Sunday, would you
pick him up? And I said yes, I would pick
him up. The reason I would pick him up is
because I want their team at full strength, so there's
no excuses why you lost this game. You weren't missing anybody,
nobody was hurt, and everybody was there, healthy, on time, prepared.
Now that is an answer that I would love to

(48:55):
hear and go for, of course, because I gave it,
you know. But the reasoning it's because I want you
at full strength, so there's no excuse on why you
lost this game. You weren't missing anyone. The I'm going
to get a sack on these three guys means I'm
going to get a sack on these three guys, and
I'm whoever the hell is in front of me. No
matter what they do it, I ain't gonna be able

(49:15):
to stop me. That's why I like it and don't
like it. What about you? So I'm more.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I don't like offensive player defensive players. You're gonna have
to go deal with them.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
So I like that he's saying it because he's gonna
have he has a job to do.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
He's gonna be able to He's have to go against
these tackles and get the job done. Bulletin boar material
is not something that I like for anybody to do.
You know what I'm saying, There's no kind of no
reason for it. I don't think you know what I'm saying.
I'm not mad at it, because end of the day,
you're gonna have to go out there, you're gonna have
to perform, and you're gonna have.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
To stand on what you did.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
And that's you saying that is gonna make my job
any more difficult. I'm gonna have to go out here
and cover these people and do my do my job.
So I just want them to if you do talk,
I just want you to perform. So at the end
of the game, when we watching the tape, what you're
talking about, don't be getting thrown all out the club.
Let me see you going to work. You know what
I'm saying, Like, be going to work and be on
your shit. So then at the end and then then

(50:14):
I'll we good you went and got you one because
being able to go, you're you want to. We're going
against the best anyway. So saying like bucket list stuff,
he's not knocking them. He's saying basically he's giving them love.
Lamar Jackson's goat Patrick mahomes fire, Josh Allen amazing. If
once I do that, that's bucket list Like I'm going that.
Those dudes are the best of the best, and when
I get them, I'm geeked about it. So it's in

(50:34):
a respectful way, but it's in the same way, like
you gotta go do it. So I'm not against it,
but go ball out and just don't be out there
looking crazy because then when you get to looking crazy,
you you're gonna get a couple of shots to go.
Like talking shit. You can you can go talk how
you're gonna back it up. I mean, if you backing
it up, I'm not mad at you, because I'm not
the one that's gonna be out there talking.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I'm gonna go in there give no bulletin boar material.
I know what's the job it's gonna be done.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
These dude's gonna be trying to whoop my tail regardless,
so I'm not gonna get in no reason to go
in the extra. I'm just gonna go out there, handle
my business, step off, be gheeked, and other.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Dudes go about it they way. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
It's cool, but don't be out here talking and putting
me in a position to be having to do handle
your business. And then you out here looking crazy if
you handling business and you talking, talking shit and laying names.
Let's go on one right behind you, let's rock out.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
You know what, any did you have any team or
or players opponents that you look forward to, you know,
during your career, So honestly, it was in a bad
I look forward to playing Antonio Brown, look forward to playing.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
You got with us when I was with when I
was with you guys, when I was with the Browns.
When I was with the Browns, I look forward to
playing against the Steelers because Antonio Brown and Big Ben
and Mike t that was unbelievable, the connection because we
came in together.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Me and AB came in twenty ten.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I was first, and then he got he was like
fifth round, went to went to the Steelers. Him with
Emanuel Sanders came in that joint. And y'all have Mike
Wallace too. So I look forward to playing a B
because I knew the Browns they were putting me out
to drive Joe be you the first round you get
paid the big bucks.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
You got a B.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
You know what I'm saying, that's your job, that's your thing.
So then it was a B I look forward to
playing him because I knew he was gonna come with
the work, and I knew I was gonna get put
on Sports Center, or if I made the play, I
was gonna be on Sports Center.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
And then it was Aj Green. I was always looking
forward to playing.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Him too, because sometimes Andy had throw me one, but
AJ would sometimes get me the work. But I knew,
like these dudes are capable of if I come out
here tripping, I can get embarrassed, you know what I'm saying,
Like they got me man to man versus these dudes
out on the island. My mom and kids and family
are watching. There's nothing funny, propahit everybody here, my papa here,
my granny, everybody watching. So I just know I'm in

(52:48):
this game. We're playing man the man. We're single high,
so it can be vertical ballstone Son.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
In the box and worry about that run back then,
but come on, man, I was yeah. They was just yeah,
you go over there.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
So it was really Antonio Brown and Ben mainly, and
then AJ Green. How about you, you look forward to
play any quarterbacks or like one of the.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Adults like knew any lines was weak. Bro, I look,
I look forward to playing everybody. I played mind games
with myself, Dude. The fact that a team showed up
and they didn't forfeit. I ain't lying though I took it.
You came here because you thought you had an opportunity
to win, to whoop my ass, to beat us, to
dominate whatever that process is that you need to come

(53:32):
away with that w I don't. So I'm mind gaming
myself from from the beginning that you even showed up.
You know that that gotta be disrespectful to me for sure.
Just went on here your head coach. It have been like, yo,
we sing what we say. We don't even want to
step out there. Let's forfeit this ship.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
You know what I'm saying. We don't won't get nobody hurt.
We don't want to get quarterback put to sleep, running
back and receive it. Whatever it was like. So that
was the mind game I played with myself. I mean
even as you know, I started, you know, in my career,
and you know I was all pro and all that.
Each year I came in and I'm like, I'm hoping

(54:11):
and praying that they draft a linebacker outside linebacker, because
now I'm already in my head, are you drafting his
dude to replace me? Huh okay, I got something for you.
Like each year I came in, bro, I'm fighting to
make this team. Yeah, I gotta contract this guaranteed. I'm
not even thinking about that. I gotta make your team.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
When you're trying to be that, and that's the mindset too,
d But when you're a dog and you really trying
to be the best of the best and the best
you can possibly be of anything, nothing else that nobody
else really got going on matters and you kind of
in a competition with yourself like like I'm gonna be
the best because I'm gonna work harder than everybody. I'm
going to show you and I'm going to dominate, like

(54:54):
and there's nothing nobody can really tell you. So when
you discipline, you're gonna be a place on time, You're
going to eat certain things, You're going to act a
certain way because you know you got a goal. You
know what I'm saying. So that whole mental state, I
feel like that I know what that you're on. And
when certain football when players get into that zone and
like like You know greatness when you see it, because
you know people are trying to really strive to something,

(55:16):
like they're working on something. They're disciplined, they comeing in
this joint, they're dedicated their focus.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like each year I
would come in and you know, I'm re relearning the
defense and I'll do my flash cards and all that,
and through that process, you know, everybody like, yo, bru,
you've been here for like six years. What you're doing, bro,
I'm like, I'm learning the defense, dude. I need to
know what I need to do. So once I got
down what it was that I knew I had to

(55:41):
do to where I could look at the hear the
call and be like, Okay, I got to do this,
that and the third and if something happens, it's a
nuance of it of this. Now I need to know
what my end is doing, and then I need to
know what my corner is doing. Then I need to
know what my safe is doing. I need to know
what my inside linebacker is doing. So now I know

(56:03):
what this whole half of the line over here is doing.
Why Because if I know what everybody over here is doing,
and I have nothing in my area. I know what
I can do to better help my teammate, which helps us,
which helps the whole team, and same thing. Now from there,
I'm like, all right, I want to know what's happening
on the other side, that what that corner is doing

(56:25):
with that safety is doing, you know what I'm saying,
so that I again, if nothing's here, I can better
help them help myself. Same thing, all right, I know
my corner he gonna be sitting here, squatting right here,
so I could go on ahead, and when I see
that little and that he gonna do, I don't even
got to bite on it because I know my corner
gonna be sitting there. I could go ahead, get back

(56:46):
because I know they're about trying to throw the seven
of fifty yards behind me, you know what I'm saying
things like that. So yeah, for me, it was it
was a mind game that I was I was able
to play with myself like all the way until the
end of my career.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
That's the way to do it, bro. And then I
bet when you when you get into it like that too,
when you start learning your position and not only just
your stuff, you start learning everybody else's you start meeting
when your linebacker knows his job and your job and
everybody else is that communication is like so effortless.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Y'all looking at something and see it without seeing like
like this, y'all know it's about to happen.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
All right, bet he go here, I'm gonna go here.
Like it's just that soft communication. So like it's just
it just starts the same thing, dude, Like when you blitzing,
you know you faking the blitz. If I'm sitting up
here at right, somebody has to be they come down.
I need my safety back here to play with me.
Like he's rolling down to that curl flat now when
he see the two, he like, oh yeah, it's about

(57:47):
to be a real blittering. Now we drop out of there. Yes,
now we're sitting there and you know I'm sitting out
here on the two and I'm supposed to be blitting,
but the damn safety done came and sat right behind
me because he don't want to play on the Listen, dude,
if I'm in here and you come sit behind me,
he know I'm coming. Don't get me up behind me
for nothing. Get on the string with me, man, and
then come down when you see me take off because

(58:09):
you're giving him the opportunity to read the mail before
we even delivered it. Dude, Like they're like, yo, yeah,
we got it on tracking GPS right here. Yeah it's coming.
They three blocks down, Like you're not helping the situation.
And that's something else. Like you got younger guys. That's
why when you get older guys groups like we had,
you know, from like twenty seven to twelve six five whatever,

(58:29):
it is like you got a group of dudes that's
been with each other for a while, so they know
and understand every concept of this defense and what needs
to be done to make the defense better, to make
each player better. If you go out there and you know,
I'm doing my job well, but my corner is doing
his job even better and my d line is doing it,

(58:52):
it's going to make me look as if I am
doing far better than what I may actually be doing,
which will help you get some money on the line.
If you're a person that's there and your D line
is rushing the passer like crazy and he has to
throw that rock and you a dB, he gotta get
rid of it. Now you're getting more pigs because he's slinging,
he duck and he gunning and.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Ducking like easy. Word, You're not out there cover for
six seconds right now?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
If I got if, I got you know my my
dB easy, I got you out there, and y'all covering
like like you know flies on ship. I get more
time to get to the quarterback saying we'll all work together. Yeah,
so listen before we get out of here, we gotta
thank you guys for joining us. Yeo and Joe okay again,

(59:42):
make sure you guys like and subscribe. But we're going
to be back here on Monday, and somebody is playing
on Sunday. We playing against y'all. Bump ass. So you Joe,
huhmul Why you make like you can't hear every time

(01:00:02):
I ask you this? Huh huh. I told you what
I'm doing. I'm rooting for a good game. I hope
Dylan Gabriel goes out there. I want to see what
you're gonna do. Man, Let's see. Let's want to see
what he or you want him to do a certain thing.
I can tell you what I want Aaron Rodgers to do.
I can tell you what I want, what I want
the defense. I can tell you what I want the

(01:00:22):
offense to do. I want him to come out there,
run the ball down Cleveland's motherfucking throat and Aaron Rodgers
passed for another three hundred Come away from that game
with six hundred yards defense, go out there, get ten sacks,
three picks, two touchdowns, and they don't get nothing but
three yards. That's what I want. What you want, Joe,

(01:00:45):
I don't. I don't want that. I want.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I want it to be probably let's say two. I
want two great defensive games. You know, offense both played.
You know what I'm saying pretty well, you know, and
you know both teams lead the stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Feeling like, feeling good and feeling like they moved. They're
moving in the positive direction. That's what I want.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I know he ain't talking to me. Who the hell
is he talking to? He's feeding some I mean think
I'm supposed to eat that ship? Hey man, man, what's up?
I just told you I felt look it past the
time man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey listen man, y'all come
back here Monday. Okay, Joe, go be here. Let's see

(01:01:34):
what Joe wearing on Monday, because I promise you if
you come in from Cleveland gear and by the grace
of God, some way, they don'et prayed hard enough to
get through to the Lord, and they don't give him
a w You come in here laughing and gloating and smiling,
have some Cleveland stuff on. I'm a snack.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I'm come hey man, listen, y'all come live man, catch
me at Debo. Man, make sure y'all like subscribe, catch
us on Monday so you can see. You know what
I'm saying, how Debo feels after the game. I know
how I'm gonna feel. You know what I'm saying. I'm
gonna I'm gonna feel like either I'm gonna feel like
my two teams play and I'm gonna know if one

(01:02:23):
is going to if it's going really really good or
really really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
That's what I'm going to know. Listen, man, y'all come
back here Monday for the Stiller W and we out