Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Dillon Gabriel's Browns debut, Patriots UPSET Bills, Ravens BLOWN OUT

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to a Sunday Night Football as Drake Maye and the New England Patriots upset Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Later, they react to the  Baltimore Ravens getting demolished by the Houston Texans, Dillon Gabriel's debut for the Cleveland Browns in a loss to the Minnesota Vikings, and much more from Week 5 of the 2025 NFL season!

Timeline:
00:00 - Browns fall to Vikings
18:00 - Ravens blown out by Texans
24:32 - Broncos beat Eagles
30:50 - Bengals get smoked by Lions
37:20 - Patriots stun Bills
45:30 - Cowboys beat Jets
53:18 - Titans beat Cardinals

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to d Bot and Joe. Please make sure
you guys like and subscribe. I'm your host, James de
Bo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, lying ass,
Joe Hayden. Joe, don't lie to me. Joe, you done
lie to me.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Listen, you told people, you know, matter of fact, showing
what he told the people. Can you show him what
he told the people? What I tell him?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
To play back what they told the people? Y'all play
back with what Joe told the people. Can you please
do that? Come on, I don't want to see it.
Mm hmm, man, how you ain't got it ready? Listen, yo,

(00:58):
I know what I said. I know what I said.
I said we was gonna win the game. That's what
I said.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah. So Joe, how how was it over there in London?
That was miserable? What happened? Because you know, it was
early in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's the Browns, you know, and I don't really pay
much attention because we're sitting somewhere up here in the north.
But go ahead, I mean tell me, I mean you
can give me, you know, tell.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Me what happened. I mean, because I heard what I heard, you.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Know, so no, no, let me just give you a little
rundown and went down all right, first half is the
tailor two halves?

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Dylan Gabriel's first start. Not he was good.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
He was solid. He threw a couple of air and throws.
He did not turn over the ball. Hey Joe, Hey Joe, Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I mean I thought the defense ball like I believe
Cleveland had a phone recovery in the first quarter, right.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
We had we had two two, and we stroked out.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I think I think I think you had a runner
back that stroked out for like thirty two as soon
as they got it back and they ended up scoring
a touchdown. Is that sound that's sound right? It sounds
exactly right? Deepot Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
And then also we had some we had my Matt
Judkins are running back balled out.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
He ran for one hundred and ten yards.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. But then after y'all did that,
I heard.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Minnesota wentz kind of just went down the thing and
just you know, he scored a touchdown it was, and
then they just tied it up after y'all did that.
Is that that sound about right? That's what That's what
I'm That's what the world is saying right now, I'm
hearing a lot of this. Oh y'all scored another touchdown
right after. Oh nope, looks like a holding penalty. Yep,
it looked like that got called back and called back.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
We had two holding penalties on that play, so we
ended up getting no points there.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Okay, so I'm we got to be a little more disciplined.
But let's let's get to this. We little long soci
short debo. We get, we scored, we get the halftime.
Ten seven were up your last time.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
We're up. Our first time going into defense.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Hold that. I know that for sure.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
That's the first time us going into a half with
the lead. We haven't been up in the damn halftime
for any game this season.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
So we're good.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh so something happened after halftime. I think Ritz might
have came alive again?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Did he did? He? Did? He come alive again?

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Justin Jefferson, Justin Jefferson, and with Justin Jefferson and Wentz
started hooping on us in the second half.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
They were balling.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Jenna was catching passes all over the place, was finding
holes in our defense.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
He was actually.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Sometimes though man and man.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
He was making great plays on Greg Newsom on Denzel Ward.
It was man and man coverage where he was making
the good catches.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
So you wanna stop rolling your damn eye.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
But this is part too, so let's let's go.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
No, the fourth quarter, we had four possessions, brother, in
the fourth quarter, four possessions, one first down?

Speaker 5 (04:00):
How do you keep giving putting.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
The defense back in the position, back in the position,
back in the position. Like, but they tell me that
Cleveland went out there though, and ran the ball down
their throat lightweight and went up. Yes, yes, yes, seen
fourteen though, yes, yes, And then they also got another fumble.
That's the other fumble, right, Yes, you got the ball again?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
What you do with it?

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Nothing?

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Oh nothing I heard was trying to help y'all out
too by like missing the field goal after that?

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yes, yes, I didn't watch it.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'm just hearing things like it's coming to me.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
They giving it to me, they bring I don't know
what it is, you know how sometimes here anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
All of this is correctly bokay, So.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
No matter of fact, no, you since you since you're
getting all this here, and so what else did you hear?

Speaker 5 (04:49):
What else did you hear?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Go down? I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I didn't hear much of anything else I heard like
the fourth quarter, like maybe y'all should have did something
different there. But again, I mean, Whence came alive, you
tell me he drove down there again. But the last
drove down there again. It got another touchdown. This that

(05:14):
that was the defense didn't hold. They vaulted the number
one Brown deef didn't hold.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
How many this one? This one's trying to say this one,
I'm trying to say the Browns defense we needed to
hold there. There's no reason why we give up eighty yards.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
We need to stop them, at least give a field
goal so we can go to overtime.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
My man, Denzel, we had to cover two soft two.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
He let the receiver Addison get an outside release on
him and he hit a whole shot for the touchdown.
We cannot have that. We have to keep everybody in
front of us. We have to make that play. But
my thing is this, Obviously, defense we had to do better.
We cannot let them drive down to score a touchdown.
But we had four possessions in the fourth quarter when
we only had one first down. We got to be

(05:57):
able to cheap drives alive, keep the defense off the field,
they keep on ball, and they was. They were out
there doing what they had to do, but they didn't
make the plays at the end of the game for
us to win.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
So the defense did let us down.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
At that part.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
But the offense needs to stay on the field a
little longer. And then in the fourth quarter, you only
had one first down.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
How you gonna win the game with one first down in.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
The fourth quarter the the vaunted Browns defense.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
I understand that.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I'm just saying, just hold up one time. Uh, but listen,
it can't be that bad. Yeah, the rookie quarterback starting,
I hear. He did pretty well. He did what was necessary.
And here the guy.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Didn't have any turnovers.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
He actually had a couple of touchdowns. Like what, Joe,
tell me, tell me what what happened?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
What are you all of his passes? Look, I'm not
his stat line is great, but you're looking.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Now, he's cookie.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
He threw the ball.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
He was doing the same thing a man that y'all
had there as the starter was doing without turning the
ball over. So, I mean, you can't you can't knock that.
Might be the offensive coordinator, maybe I don't know. Maybe
y'all go ahead, go ahead. I'm just talking. I'm not
letting you talk. Go ahead, y'all. Sorry, you're on mute, buddy.

(07:25):
You just like the mind a lot. You don't want
the people hear what you're saying. You don't want the
people hearing what you're saying because you muted. I understand,
all right, this one's telling me. Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
He completed nineteen of thirty three passes, but fifteen of
them were to running backs or tight ends, not knocking them.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
There was a lot of dinking dunks. Anything that he.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Threw past ten yards, was a lot of airmail, was
a lot of stuff just going not just eric passes.
So I'm not going to say my man did bad.
He he threw two touchdowns, He did not turn over
the ball.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean he did same thing.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Uh maybe a little better than what you know, get
what he did they did Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's just that, you know, the defense was.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
You we want our defense to not give up any points.
We haven't scored over seventeen points this entire season, so
we gotta still be able to get some offense going
defense that you putting it on them every single time.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's not like they got to make places.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
They running the ball on Minnesota's front line. Dude, Like,
what are we talking about?

Speaker 6 (08:29):
Bro Brown's defense got a hold they Abril did pretty
well in his first start. I would say, brother, you
he did, he did, he did solid.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
He's gonna give he.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Got enough to win. Don't you think he did?

Speaker 5 (08:47):
He did?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
He did? He did, he did.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
But at the same time, two things could be right.
He played good enough to win, but he damn sure
could have did better.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
We could have converted a couple of those third downs
to keep the ball out of their hands.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
And I think it could be some play calling. It
could be there definitely could be some play calling. And
at the same time, too, let me just go to
what I think the real thing is, what do you
think we don't really have I think ever since this
is going to go back to our organization. We ever
since we traded for Deshaun Watson, the draft picks that

(09:22):
were giving up, the six draft picks, the two hundred
and thirty million dollars, that's not on the field, Like
when you're like, oh, why don't we have another extra
wide receiver because we gave up six draft picks, and
that's why it's not there. So we're still trying that
the defense is fighting. But at the same time, we
don't have two hundred and thirty million and six picks
on the team, and that's gonna set you back.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
So when we look at like the defense is balling
and fighting, we.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Need to have better players on the offensive side of
the ball.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
Like we don't have a receiver right now.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Jerry Judy is doing pretty good, but that's I don't
think that's gonna shape. So I think it's more of
an organizational thing. I think Dylan Gabriel did do good.
He's not It wasn't his fault that we lost. He
played well enough to win the defense. If we want
to be elite and you want to be the defense
that we think we are, we gotta make those stops.
We got to make those plays. But having them always
being dependent on the defense is like, that's just tough.

(10:13):
And I know, and it was top of this. If
you're gonna be on the Browns, I know that's where
they're sitting there. They know that that's what's gonna take
for us to win. They gotta they can't give up nothing.
I mean, y'all stuck to what the Browns do. It's okay, man, you.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Gotta think about it, dude, with that one.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
With that loss right there, Browns quarterbacks are only seventeen
and they first start since like ninety seven. I mean,
it's okay. Like the longest streak since then was like
nineteen fifty. You know there's something like that where they
had to I don't know, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
That's just I think it's the Listen, do you like
the new.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Quarterback that they got? Do you like him better than Joe?
And do you think you may be able to get
better from that? Dude at the three position, I don't
want to start. No trouble on, you know, no trouble yet.
This one, I'm gonna say, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Dylan Gabriel did not play bad enough to like, No,
he's gonna be able to play a couple more weeks.
We're gonna give him some We're gonna give him his time.
They drafted him third round for a reason, so that's
gonna be the third he's the second string quarterback.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Now he's in the game.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
So he didn't play himself out of the starting position
and any means necessary.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
He didn't turn the ball over, he threw two touchdowns.
You kept saying he ain't doing enough.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
You double talking to Joel No, no, no, no, no, said
he could have did more.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
You could have did more, but he didn't job that.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
He ain't more.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
He didn't play himself out of the starting position. But
he could have did fucking better. That two things could
be said at the same time. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Nineteen for thirty three, one hundred ninety yards, two touchdowns,
zero picks.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Not to run away with. You know what I'm saying solid.
I'm not mad at him, but I'm not like this.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Oh hell yeah, that's what.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
No, you know what I'm saying, he could do, he
can do better. Go back into the tape room. Some
of those damn passes over ten yards that you threw,
all of them, demn and completions, hit one of them,
hit one of them, seven roundes, hit one of them. Phase,
there was no phase, There was no posts. Only time
was when we had that last when we had twenty
two damn seconds, he threw a deep, dig fucking twenty.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Yard bump right in the money.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Where the fuck was that earlier in the game, and
then the next one he had on the over roupe
when he couldn't get out of bounds to try to kick.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
The field goal. That was the next farthest pass he
damn threw. I'm like, where was.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
This the whole damn game?

Speaker 4 (12:33):
You got twenty five seconds and you finally threw two
passes over ten yards completions look good?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Where the fuck was that?

Speaker 4 (12:41):
That's what I'm talking about. So he didn't play us
so out of a job. He did solid, But I'm like, Jo,
police on them depasses and we could be you know
what I'm saying, make.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
It something shake.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I understand, Joe, But for someone that is, uh have
two teams, you seem.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Pretty up set.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I haven't heard you be this upset a bottle loss.
You know, the Steelers lost one. I didn't hear this
kind of out of you.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
You know what you know?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Did you mute yourself again? Did you mute yourself again?
Why to keep it with myself? I'm because I'm getting
so upset. Don't touch the mic, baby, don't touch the mic.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Okay, all right, go debo, listen.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
It's organizational, which is what pisces me off. When I
went over to Pittsburgh. I don't care. I just liked
the way that they ran their business.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
I just like the way that.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
They did it.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I felt like everybody was in the joint. You knew
what it was. You have, you have coach Tomlin was
the coach.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
You've had three different coaches in the last fifty years.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
The Browns is just so much turnaround. It's just so
much turnover. And the players they.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Can't get you.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
You don't know when you keep having a new leader
every single year, a new voice.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
A knew this and knew that. There's no real there's
no real leadership.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
And for me, I feel bad for the fans because
I'm out here in London with two hundred and ninety
fans stand at this same hotel. We're having a good
old time and they just always do. They're so supportive
of the team when they're ship and that's why I
feel bad for them. You know what I'm saying. With
the Steelers already know they gonna figure it out. Y'all
don't go under eight hundred. Y'all gonna figure some out.

(14:24):
Something gonna happen. Like so, if you lose a game,
we could talk about it. And I don't really get
as mad because coach t he's there. They're gonna figure
some out.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
The defensive solid we got the players, we got people
in organizationally, they're structured, they're strong, they're gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
You know what, it's gonna be this right here? The
smile off.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Why the fuck do we keep finding a way to lose?

Speaker 5 (14:46):
That's the part that pisss me off.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
It's like we were up and then everybody and then
we're just sitting there looking like this, How the hell
are we gonna fuck this one up?

Speaker 5 (14:54):
How are we gonna mess this one up?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
That's when I get like, hey, I know we're up,
but you know you' we know way up.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
But how we gonna get down?

Speaker 3 (15:02):
How we're gonna get down? God, that's not that's not good.
That's not a good field, oh man.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
So that's why I get so passionate, man, because I
feel for the fan base. I feel that they deserve
better than what's going on sometimes out on the field.
And I don't think that it's the We could have
so many like all right, fuck, we would have kept
Baker Mayfield signing for one hundred million.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Baker Mayfield doing some things.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Baby Baker Mayfield's balling speaking up, Baker Mayfield just threw
for three hundred and seventy nine yards.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
That's a type of offense I like to see. That's
that's good.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
He threw.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Man, they don't do for one ninety and then and
Baker through for three seventy four.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
You got it.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
You got a big disparity and experience there too. Now listen, hey,
this what I'm trying to tell you to this one.
I'm trying to say too, Why didn't we just keep Baker
for the hunted? We had another one hundred We gave
DeShawn two thirty. We had another one hundred and thirty
million with.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Six fucking draft picks that we could have used, and
they would have been on the team right now. Baker
Mayfield beat Pittsburgh, beat us in the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Did that not happen? And then we got rid of him?
And then we got deshn for two thirty that we
haven't seen. We haven't been able to see him play,
and then we can.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
For see all the injuries. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
So I mean you can't, man, listen, I understand, man,
I hear you.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Better listen man's okay, Listen.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
I don't think the Stiller wouldn't have the Stillers wouldn't
have traded for DeShawn and gave him two thirty all guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
This is true, And that's what I'm saying. There's nothing
you can't you can control what you can control. All
you're gonna do is be in the locker room, have
your teammates in there, you walk in, You're gonna do
what you can do.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
But you don't control who's your teammates and who brings
them in and who signed and who stays. That's not
out of that's out of your control. All your control
is who the fuck is in there with you and
what y'all gonna do. So I just think that they
got to do a better job with that top. Let's
bring bring in some good guys.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
It will be solid. Yeah, it's okay, man, Listen.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
The Ravens got the shit stumped out them too, man,
I mean you go, I mean it was close in
the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I think it was, you know, it was three to
three to seven. Yeah, man. From there, you know, Houston
just took the game over.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Straud ended up what twenty three twenty seven for two
forty four four tugs.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
They rushed for one hundred and sixty seven.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Dude, the first half they went five or six on
third downs.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
The Ravens defense, Dude, can't put out a match with
a fire hose.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
They missing tackles still, Dude, they can't bust a grape
and a fruit fight like it's looking bad. It was
so bad. The announcer for CBS I eagle, Dude. He
sounded like he had pity on them. I had no
pity for them. Man, It ain't no fun. When the
rabbit got the gun man and the rabbit got the
gun right now on the Ravens man.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
The rabbit got the good right now on the Ravens
rabbit got the heat.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Don't he's not considering any you know, any changes to
any other staff, you know, none of that?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Uh, why you do you think something should be done?
He should change something like? What's going on? What do
you think? Where's the Ravens answers? Man?

Speaker 4 (18:30):
It looked bad, debo. It looked like they didn't have
any answer. They weren't trying to make any tackles. They
weren't miscommunications like c J.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Strout.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
It looked like he was throwing routes on air. Everything
just completions boom boom, walking it.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Down the field on him.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Nick Chubb was toting it like vintage Nick Chubb, Like,
I just don't when the dude like you said, he
felt bad for him because he's like, I mean, it
just doesn't look like the Ravens like these dudes like
like this is not the defense that I'm used to
seeing because he was walking through there like every time,
like when CJ. Stroud the drive after drive after drive
it was touchdown at the touchdown after touchdown and they

(19:07):
quarterback for the Ravens too, Like, I mean, he looks
out there lost. He looks like he doesn't know left
from right. So that's not helping out the situation either.
So you got an offense that don't look like they
know what's going on because Lamar is not in there.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
And then the running game wasn't it wasn't getting too active.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
So here's my thinking on this, all right, Lamar is
the answer and the problem for them because he is
such a great player. Now, when you have a player
like that that is that great and you build the

(19:46):
whole office around his talent, the player that backs him
up has to have some sort of skill level or
skills to operate in the same manner in which he does.
And when you don't have that, and your whole offense
is built around a dynamic player like Lamar Jackson being

(20:07):
able to do the things he does and your backup
can do none, this is what you run into offensively
with not being able to get anything on the board.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
No exactly, I think.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I think when you have a player at his ability level,
like you said, it just it can disguise a lot
of other things. And when you have that quarterback that's
coming in and he's a stand up, complete opposite pocket
passer than Lamar.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Jackson, what is he He can't do that.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
He can't be able to extend any plays, he can't
be able to make anything happen.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
So he's got to be.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
In that thing, either handing the ball off the dead
Henry or standing back making a five step drop and
hitting it and throwing it on time. And that's not
the Ravens offense. So I completely understand what you're saying.
They're gonna have to either try to cater.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Something to him.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
But I'm not switching up my.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Offense for buddy, because you just gotta go get you
get a mobile back. You have to, right, You have
to get someone that is Lamar like and can do
the things that's necessary to do that. Because he's a
quarterback that you're not worried about him running the ball.
So when Dereck Henry is back there and they hand
the ball off, we're not worried about what the quarterback
is going to do, if he's going to pull it

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or anything else. So now what do we do? We
key in on Henry can first go in fast as
you can. We'll get back up to this slow quarterback.
That's not a shoe for us. Do you want him
to pull it? Please pull it? We're gonna put you
out the game. Yeah, Like, dude, they gave up forty
four points, which is the most they have ever given
up in the home game and John Hardballs eighteen years

(21:39):
coaching period. Dude, the Ravens are on pace to give
up more and like shatter the Panthers twenty four record
for most points allowed at five hundred and thirty four.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
They're at thirty five point four per game right now. Bro, like.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
It.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
I don't understand the dude, and I understand him. Do
you think I'm not coaching? No, No, I don't. I
don't think it's coaching. It's the players. It's the players.
I understand not changing the decordinator, it's too late in
the season to do that anyway. But they're missing tackles,
they're they're getting pushed around, they're getting deep, they're getting

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they're getting dominated by the other man across the ball.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
That's just let the coach.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
There's nothing to coach about that, Like, you got to
win your one on ones, and they're not doing that
for the majority of the game.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
And anything that they do. I mean, Houston is Houston.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
But I expected him to do you know, I expected
him to do good, but I didn't expect him to
do this.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, oh yeah, he looked the little athletic.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
He was hauling ass up the sideline, so I mean,
I think he might have been playing possible.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, you got to realize something against the thirty second defense,
so less you the thirty second offense, it should look different,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, No, he looked good, though, he looked good.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Forty four it's forty four on anybody, it's forty four.
But they going for a record of worst defense in
the league. So we're gonna see what he do next week.
But I'm happy for c. J. Strout.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
He looked athletic.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
He did well.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know, they might, like I said, it could have
been him joking, not joking, whatever it may be. I
don't I don't know too many people they said he
go as far back as watching like like like pee
wee type stuff games like I'm like high school and
all that.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I don't even know if I got high school tech.
I do have high two tack. It's on DVD now.
It was on the VHS. It's on DVD now. I
don't even know if do.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
You still got DVD player. I don't even know, dude,
I don't know. I don't. I don't know. You better
put it in the PlayStation through the PlayStation still you.
I don't know. I ain't got no games.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I'm they do download.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Them, but yeah, I still use I still use the disk, dude.
Eagles lost. Eagles lost to the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Bro They dominated that game for a good three quarters, dude,
and then they went and gave it up in the fourth.
What do you think people are doing to try and Uh,
this is my this is my thought. Yeah, tell me
what you think about it. I think they're trying to

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change up and not run as much to maybe get
receivers balls, to keep the noise down maybe or whatever
you know it is that they may be because you
ran the ball with sakwan All last year and that
got y'all.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
That got y'all super Bowl, Like that was what y'all did.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
And now it almost like your you're abandon then I don't.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I just don't. I don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I know what they came out in the you know,
like second half of that game, you know, Denver, and
they changed up you know what they were giving, what
they were giving hurts and what they were giving the offense,
and you know, they showed things that looked like they
were going to do something that they did and they
show man that didn't drop out on his own and
all the other stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
But you know, at some point.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
The offense coordinator you got to adjust to that, Hey
they're doing this like you know, we need to adjust
to their adjustment.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
And that's that's my thought. That's my thought on it.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
You know, what was the what do you know what
is Saquon run for dude, I think he only had
at one point in time. Dude, I think it was
like in the third quarter doing only had like maybe
six carries or something like that.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
God, Yeah, that ain't gonna work. You got you can't.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
You can't detour from what got you there, especially when
you got sakuon Barkley.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
Like that doesn't make it, That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
I think they might maybe, you know how, like AJ
Brown trying to get his trying to get his voice out.
But I think Jalen Hurts some of them passes that
he throwing the AJ Brown he just be overthrowing my man,
throwing the drunts out of bounds.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
We're looking crazy, So I know him A. J.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Brown and DeVonta Smith seemed to call out Jalen Hurts
in consecutive weeks about the passing game.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Bro, I mean it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
I mean sometimes I've been looking at some of those
plays where AJ Brown is open, like beating the dude
on the deep ball, and he's just overthrowing them by
five yards. I'm where are you throwing the ball to
give him a chance. So, like you know the receiver,
if you throw the ball out of bounds or throw
the ball where nobody I can't even like slow down,
jump up and make a contested catch. Throw me something
where I have an opportunity, you know what I'm saying.

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And these dudes are feeling like, dude, this dude.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
All cool mode is out here not getting me the
rock and throwing the all crazily. So I'm not going
to just keep sitting here and chilling and then we
start messing around and lose the game, because now it
was all good, you undefeated, But then when you start
losing and you're looking bad, then it's like, okay, now,
do y'all hear what I'm saying. Are y'all not looking
at these passes that are not in anywhere of in

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my vicinity?

Speaker 5 (27:17):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
So, I mean, I think and it's good to be
able to hold a man accountable, like look if.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
He goes in there and look at that tape jillen.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Hurs, was that pass bad like this? Yes? It was
all right?

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Then well let me see you make a better throat,
you know what I'm saying. So I think it's just
being able to stand on it and be able to
be like responsible for your position when when you do
bad be.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Able to say yes, that's me. I got to make
sure this is better. Yeah, I lie, bro it was
six carries for the whole game. Thirty yards, God, thirty yards, bro, likety,
it's only six carries, right, So you're telling me that
those six carries thirty yards. You're telling me five yards

(27:58):
of pop and good enough. Six carries. You cannot even
warm yet, six carries. He's not warm, I don't.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
I gotta, yeah, we gotta this. The offense coordinatory body day.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
I gotta look into that one.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
That's wild.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
You gotta, hey, Philly, go over there, look into your
offensive coordinator. That's where y'all go find all your answers.
And you know, I mean, players play on the field.
So I understand you the overthrown and all the other stuff.
But maybe you know, if he didn't have to do
that as much, you know, and they were given wide
or open passes because of the run game was working,

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he wouldn't overthrow it in fear of you know, getting
a pick, rather having incompletion than the pick. You know,
I can see that the sake quond with six carries
is crazy.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
They gotta change that. That's that just doesn't make anything.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Oh yeah, I gotta let him touch the ball at
least at least at least twenty times. That's how I feel.
That's that's just yeah, I did. I didn't pay you
all this money to just how you come over with
five six characters? Dude, I could carry six right now
at forty seven.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I curious. I like it for six, Yes, six carries
for sure?

Speaker 1 (29:14):
That was wild, Like I don't, I don't understand. So
the Bengals listen, listen. This is how I'm trying to
tell you why you shouldn't be upset, because the Bengals
lost too. So the Browns loss, the Bengals loss, and
the Range loss, and the Range means we won.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
You see that? Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Right, you know what bo you know?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
And we do, says a lot of time. So I'm
saying we But you signed on real distraught and frustrated.
I'm hearing more F bombs than I heard f you know.
So I just I don't feel like you're given us,
because I'm taking you out of the WI right now,
the same loyalty that you've given the Clowns, I mean,

(30:02):
the Browns. That's disrespectful don'ts my braces make me mess
up my word.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
I'm sorry that was no.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
But yeah, I'm the Steelers.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Think what you want to go.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
To the Stellers.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
You want to talk about the lines and banks. We
want to talk about the Lions and Bangers. Man, you know,
I mean the Lions are the Lions.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
It was just a little too much.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
It was a little too much Brownie out there.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
It was against the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Who Brownie was out there throwing punt balls. He was
throwing the ball to the he was throwing the ball
to the other team. He picked up and did way
better in the fourth and in the fourth quarter he
did good. But at the beginning of that game.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Come on, you know you in that prevent you know,
you know, you know sat back.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
You know all that you know, and that's the only
reason why do you know what? I was surprised though
defense did do better, Yes they did. Defense did they did.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
They definitely made a step in the right direction, because
that offense is a great offense to go against man
with the running game, with golf, with some amara like
that's a squad, that's a team, that's a full team
that you're going against. So then being able to have
all them damn turnovers and this guy.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I'm jumping out there putting fires out. You think they
had to it could have been quarter quarter. He basically hits, well,
you might as well say two quarters because he got
the third picks soon as the second player the second
half half. Yes, I mean yeah, he is not you
know what. You know what, listen, Rush can't do no worse.

(31:48):
They need to go ahead and see if the Giants
give up Rush. Oh for sure, he wouldn't even got
to happen.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Some gotta give.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I will.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
I hope they keep running. That's in there for the
sake of the still isn't for the stake of the Browns.
Keep rolling in there and keep having him throw the
ball to the other team. And this is gonna be
perfect for us because they that's what.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Look, but I kind of you know, I don't want
to go in there and have a competition, you know
what I'm saying. I want I want to see a
good thing. I don't want to go in there and
see the school still to score fifty. You know, TJ
get ten sacks and you know, eighteen turnovers and all that.
You know, I don't want to see that. You know,
that's just what I do. That's just boring, you know.

(32:31):
And then that's you know.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
That's like it's like beating a dead horse, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, you want to beat them at the top of
the game. You want to take you want to beat
them at.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
I ain't gonna say all that. They can keep Burrow
up out of it.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I ain't even about all right, you see you that
tells you how good Burrow is. Look what they got
right now, Look what they're doing right now. Look what
he's done. Hey, Burrow, you might want to get up
out of their baby after your toe get right, might
want to say, I think they gonna waste you over there.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
I don't know. They ain't gonna let him go nowhere.
I don't know. Did they sign him that. I don't know.
I got to look at the contract that man, is
that stipulation in there? How much is the guarantee?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:12):
It could be getting close to up, but you know
they gonna keep that many probably making well like fifty
a year.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I think he probably around fifty, Like, yeah, I don't yeah, listen,
the only thing that may worry me is that they
did play well. The defense played well. Now Lions is

(33:37):
number six offense, they did that well against them, I
wouldn't say that well.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
They just didn't do as trash as they usually do.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Okay, when it came time to actually like stop they
did stop him sometimes, but it seemed like when the
Lions was like, yo, we gotta get something, they getting
too close, they went on head, drove down the field
and got a touchdown or whatever it may be that
they needed to so and I just don't want anybody
else in the North improving too much on any side
of the ball, you know, because I'm selfish.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I respect that.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
But Gibbs and the Lions is a really really good team.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Man.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Them running backs, Bro, they was he set a record
for scoring two running backs scoring each in the game,
like fourteen.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
They scored.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Both of them scored in the game fourteen times, and
I think that's a record for two running backs on
the same team scoring in the same game that many times.
So they just they still they balling, and I love
the way they support each other, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Thunder and lightning.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
So I think they've got to They got a really
good thing going on.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Their side for shup.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh, no question, dude, Like that that first week, you
know that that was that they needed to get bumped
on the head to go ahead and wake up, you know,
like they looking like the old the old Lions, you
know they that had been we had been seeing the
last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Though. For suregu it's a long sea.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
It's a long season too, So you know that first game,
like you said, they got spanked up.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
We didn't know what was happening.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
But you can't just start being like, oh no, the
lines are all messed up. We don't know what it's got. No, no, no, no, no,
let them get into it. Let them start getting their
footing right.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Like it's a long season that we're going in the
week six, So now you're starting to really see kind
of teams starting to come into what they're gonna be.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, and it don't hurt like you said against the Bungos,
I mean the Bengals, I don't know my braces pracing
up with this loop like that.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
You so disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
No my lip, dude, I'm just what's disrespect You want
to know what's disrespectful? What the Bengals went outscored the
last three games one hundred and thirteen to thirty seven. Okay,
Like that's disrespectful. The man threw three picks that game.
On top of that, he done threw eight interceptions in
the last four.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, yeah, they got to get respectful. That is disrespectful.
That's bad ball. That's bad ball debo. Like if I'm
Joe Burrow, y'all want me to come out here and
do this, y'all got to reap.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Y'all double my pay because I gotta get injury.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I gotta get injury because I know I'm gonna get
I'm gonna get hit from every side, Like I'm gonna
have to mess around to get a backy out of me.
You know, Tackoway tackleway ain't protecting my backside or something?

Speaker 3 (36:20):
You know, I don't don't.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
I don't know, man, don't They need to get some
line because.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
If they're gonna keep Burrow back there, every time he
keep getting hit, he keep getting hurt, I mean, you
gotta protect them. And then they still got Chase and
they signed Higgins. So the opensive side, I think it's
gonna they're gonna be explosive defensive. Look, you said they
look like they're playing a little bit better. But uh,
I think the main thing that they need to do
is just get Stoudy up that line. Because the receivers
man Jamar Chase Higgins ballers like they have. They had

(36:48):
to skill skill players to do it. I just think
that you got to keep Joe Burrow upright.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, you got to, man, you got If you don't
do that, you ain't got a chance.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
But the Patriots went on head out there and uh
stunned them boys over there in Buffalo twenty three to twenty. Yes, yes, defense, defense, turnovers, dude, turnover.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
The big thing. Yes, turning the ball of the Bills.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Man, that that's how the Bills killed theirself with the turnovers.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, so I guess the Bills had an NFL record
twenty six game streak without losing. The turnover battle broken
when they turned the ball over?

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Was it four times four times this? Or was it
three three or four one or the other? Dude? It
wasn't uh it wasn't he Listen, they.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Got a quarterback over there, dude, they actually got a
quarterback over there.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Oh May yeah, yeah bro, oh yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
May May doing this thing, dude, Real talk Buffalo had
two fummos in that first quarter, a bunch of penalties.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Like they had.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I believe they had twice as many penalties at halftime.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Then they had points.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
You know what I'm like New England's defense, dude, they
played well. They did good, even though they had a
few injuries too, had a few injuries.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
They had four takeaways. Bro may may look.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Good, dude, like he was passing the rocky with shooting
his feet did to get things going, putting his head down,
going ahead and doing what he had to do to
try and get what he needed to. He ended up
twenty two at thirty for two seventy three. And you
know that boy Diggs went loose on him, man loose
on him, boy ten for one forty.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Six on his old team.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Bro came back with like I got some for y'all
last y'all thought I wasn't good enough.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
No more y'all they want me here?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Oh that ain't Dan want me? You know?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
They said he had he had some, He had some
growing up, some growing up to do. I guess he
was a he was a problem. I guess that was
the report from there, and uh it was it Minnesota.
And then when he got to Houston, it was it
was totally different. I think everybody has points in times
where they need to mature, grow up. Prime example, like

(39:08):
we we got rid of receiver now playing for George Dallas. Yeah,
we got rid of pickings, right Hicks. So everybody's like,
why would they do that? D d His play was
not the issue. They were unsure of his maturity. Like,
you may have to hit a spot here or there

(39:30):
or have something happen before you're able to, you know,
mature into you know, the person that you may become,
you know later on in your career. Just as Diggs
is saying, like, yo, I'm a lot more mature, they're
saying he's a leader, he's vocal, He's like that was
something that he had to, you know, he had to
mature into. Now, if say he had stayed in Buffalo

(39:53):
and and continued the same thing and they did what
whatever necessary to keep him, he's not going to mature
because you're saying your behavior that you're doing is going
to achieve the goal that you want, and that's how
players become. Okay, it was a little bit of an
issue too. It's a lot of an issue to now

(40:15):
you can't control the issue and you have to get
rid of him because you fought so long to try
and keep them there that they were determined that you
know what, the behavior I'm doing is what's going to
get me what I want instead of being like, Yo, it's.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Not going to work, we're going to move you. Well,
it's not going to work. We're going to move you. Okay.
So I guess the problem is not the teams I
was on. The problem is me.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
And it takes some self awareness to realize that that's
what it is and that's what happens. And maybe right
now Pictures is over there doesn't realize like, you know
what I needed to do something to you know, grow up.
You ain't hearing nothing about anything that's you know, going
on on the field, off the field, whatever it may be.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
So you know, it could be it could be one
of those situations.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
No no, no for show for shure.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
I mean I can definitely, I could definitely see what
you're saying, because you know, people you don't when you
first get into you never know like the business of
the league.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
You know what I'm saying. You just think you out there.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Playing football and all that stuff, but getting cut getting released,
getting traded to another team with changers perspective real fast
to understand like, okay, like I might have to I
might I might have went about some things differently, and
this game could be taken away from me.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
So I gotta kind of mature in a little bit
and maybe I can handle things a little bit better.
So I definitely definitely understand where you're coming from there,
because dudes come in twenty one years old. You're a
kid at the beginning, and then you start seeing you
play a little bit, you see some other dudes, you
talking to them about situations, and then you can learning experience.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
You can't just get learning experience without living through it,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Like you know you got to leave with you. I
understand what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
If I would have listened to everything I was told
when I was young and actually took that advice and
used it instead of having to go through the process
of you know what, let me be hard hitted and
find out myself, I'd be a whole lot further and
I think all all of the body would life, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
So Biggs over there now doing this thing, grinding it
out like he's the from what they're saying, he's the
he's the perfect you know, he's a perfect player, he's
a perfect teammate, you know, and he's the guy that
is vocal a leader over there.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
And I'm liking it. I'm liking it over there.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
I'm like, I mean, we whooped them, you know, but
I mean I'm just saying like we are the Steelers though,
So that.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Does that, don't you know? That don't matter?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
But did help them a lot with you know, with
penalties penalties there, and you look at it, I think
Buffalo had more yards than them, had more first downs
in them.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I think they even had more plays to them.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
But the Killers they also had more penalties and more turnovers,
and you know, they said they're not well. I guess
it was a thing that came out where they were saying,
you know, they're not worried or stretched about. I wouldn't either,
because you basically you self mean self mutilated, yourself, y'all
killed y'allself.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Turnovers understandable, I could see that.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
But still somebody out out there and get those turnovers
and forces and recover those turnovers and and put those
points up.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
And that was you know that was draking them, you know, yes,
And at the end of the day too, when they was.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Driving it down, they got their defense got that stop
and they kicked the field goal to tie the game.
When Drake got that ball back and was able to
march the joint all the way down with him and
Dicks and then getting escaping from the sack like being
able to make he is making.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Throws full stride, half stride, long down the field on
the money, on the money, and no position other than
what his player could catch it. Dude, that is scary.
He went won, He went and won the game.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
They defense put them in positions to be able to
get into that position, and then he went and won
that game.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
So he was just able to, like you said.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Making great down the field throws when you need it most.
Because every games have ebs and flows. It's gonna we
first quored a second quarter, turn over here.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Or whateverever, what's happened in the fourth. What can we
win the game? Is it's still close because everything else
is all that we can We can figure it out
like there's fluff. But now when it's time to the
nitty gritty coach, what are we doing Are we going
to score or are we not? You know what I'm saying,
Like and being able to walk out of that stadium
in the fourth So it just means so much more
because he can go onto that now and that that's

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that's that's good guys. You know what I'm saying, Like,
we can get we can play the Bills type defense
bought out and then we got to get into May's hands.
Him and Diggs brought it down for us to get
to win. So I think it just brings some confidence
in the whole team.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Like all this other shun that happen whatever, whatever, we
can deal with it.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
But when it got down to the nitty gritty and
we needed to score or get to get down to
the field goal rains, run out the clock, whatever it is,
may be May did it for us and we won
that game.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
So that that's a it's a positive for them for sure.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, buddy, the Cowboys, they they beat the Jets thirty
seven twenty two. It was chance, chance of MVP. It's
week five, dark preshgot he said he heard it. His
words was it's week five. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
What do you what do you take of that? How
you like that response. Yeah, I mean, I do love it.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
I do like them because.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
You know what I feel like at the end of
the day that you they're gonna talk about the Cowboys
all the time.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
No matter what, no matter what. I ain't gonna lie
at all. He putting up numbers, He's doing all that
right now. I ain't gonna lie, ain't gonna.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Loet no, no, for sure, And I'm not mad at at all.
But Dak knows what at the end of the day,
he's trying to go. They need to do playoff things.
All this regular season things is all that, It's gonna
be all good, all daddy, But what are you gonna
do in the playoffs? They haven't been able to do
anything in the playoffs, and he knows that people are
going to hold him to that standard. All this regular

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season is sweet, it looks good, all right. But when
we get to that wild can we can we get
a playoff win? Can we go to the division? Can
we make like a push, a real push? Because the
talent is always there, they always have a number. The
names on the back of those jerseys are unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Do you know what I'm saying? So the players is
not that it's like this.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
He understands it's bigger than just this, the regular season
all that, and then for him to he's not He's
already going to get people talking crap about him anytime.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
So he like, yeah, I heard the chance.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I'm I think I'm playing a great I'm thinking I'm
doing great right now.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
No, I'd be like, no, I don't care. I'm focused
on us can continue and get better. And just the
PC answer, the quarterback answer that you need to give.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Right right, that's the I mean that that. I think
that is the real answer. I think that's really how
he feels. Because my thing is this, would I take
an m v P or would I take a Super
Bowl win? Give me the super Bowl? Win, the MVP
the goal. Listen, every year, only one team succeeason and

(47:05):
accomplished that goal. And that's the team that walks away
with that. Lombardy, your main goal is to win the
Super Bowl. Yes, it's other accolades that come along with it,
But if your focused it's those accolades, you're going to
miss the bigger picture.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
All those hey man here flipping off fans, Yeah, man,
gry out here, flipping off fans. Hold on, hold up, don't,
don't don't don't don't don't don't.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Don't players get fined for that.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
I would think so.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
But Jerry he up in the owner shad looking down
Brian Branch of the Lions. He got he got fined
twenty thousand dollars last year for flipping off a fan.
What you gonna find, Jerry? Hey, Roger, what are you
going to find Jerry? Huh for flipping off the fans?
This is supposed to be representation of the shield, all
that other good stuff, all the you know what I'm saying, Like,

(47:58):
it's not it's not a good look for we're an
actual owner to be flipping off fans. Like, are you
going to do something about that? Or are you just
going to sit back?

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I don't know. We'll see.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I think I mean back. You may I think gonna
sit back. Oh yeah, I don't know. He might have
to if we make enough noise, he might have to
do something. Who knows, might have to. It really don't matter, man, Roger,
did you see he was in the suite. He was
in a suite. Leana Roger Dale's the puppet for the owners.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's what I'm saying, you think he gonna find you,
think you're gonna find.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
You gotta find him a little something, you know, so on
the risk like they can fire him. They hire him,
they can fire him like they're the ones that says, Okay,
you're doing well for us, We're going to keep you
for another whatever. We'll give you the use of a chet,
We'll give you this all this lifetime, this willoo woop
all that.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Why because he's making them a ton of money.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And every now and then one of the owners get
out of line and you know what, Hey slap him
on the risk give them five hundred thousand dollars. Fine,
don't say this, don't do that and keep it moving,
although you know your team is worth five six.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Billion after them. But yep, you exactly right. I mean, so,
I think he gonna do something if we if we do,
if he if it gets loud enough, but you know,
if you.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Don't find him, I want all NFL players to remember this, okay,
that he did not find Jerry for getting caught giving
fans fingers. So y'all better not get fined for that either.
You understand NFL PA executive director, where you're at debo.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
You think they might try to make something different of
him because he was in the crowd, Like because he
was in the suite.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Who cares you flipping off fans at the game televised
right there on TV. You ain't doing you ain't doing
it on your own. Oh no, you know, elegating and
all that. You you right there, you you're representing your team,
the NFL, the shield. Remember, no, you can't do anything

(50:01):
that it's gonna turnish. The shit negatively affects that shield.
If that don't negatively affect the shield. A ninety five
year old man giving somebody a finger and they mature
it up by then, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna
have to give him a slap on the wrist.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
I don't think they will.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
I don't think they will, Debo.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Listen, that ain't you know? Like I said, he we'll see,
We'll see. Man.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
They don't pay Roger Goodell what it's sixty seventy million
dollars a year for nothing. He's doing something great for
him and I ain't gonna lie to you. I used
to hate Roger. I used to hate Roger, but listen, Roger,
I still dislike your ass You're still a bomb to me.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
But I understand where you're.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Coming from now, because if I was you getting paid
over the last whatever years it's being ten fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Anywhere from.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Forty something to seventy million dollars a year, I think
you'd have made close to six hundred million dollars since
you've been Yeah, since you've been NFL commissioner. Listen, I
would let everybody call me every name under the sun.
I would do exactly what it is that I am
told to do, and I would sit there and keep

(51:21):
it moving. I understand if I was in that position,
I would probably do that because he works for them. Yes,
that's your boss. Everybody don't realize that that the boss.
It's actually the thirty two owners. Rocher Godell's boss is
the thirty two owners. Yeah, so that's why I mean,
at one point, I remember it was like when I

(51:42):
found out it's thirty two teams and they say it
was making like well at this point, it was probably
like sixty million. So I'm like, okay, so it's two
million dollars per team, you know what I'm saying, playing them.
That's why I'm like, ohh so each teams planem two
million and the thirty man, that's.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Sixty four million.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Good lifetime jet used non lifetime jet, lifetime jet, private jet.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I got to put stuff from the public eye. I listen.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I'm not listening to you. I'm not listening to you players. Hey,
I ain't listen to a word you're saying. Shut out.
I am deafing you. True, No right, dude, they go.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
It's making twenty five billion dollars in revenue by twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah, yeah, hey, yes, sir, yes, sir, yep.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
I hate Roger, I said, yeah, I hate you too.
I love you too. I love you I hate You'll listen,
no question, listen man.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Speaking of issues, the Titans beat the Cardinals in a
wow one dude, Kyler Murray said, that's how you lose
a game one on one. Hey, hey man, you get
an interception fumble other team recursed out.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Hey, y'all y'all thinking of new ways? I don't know
how many, And then y'all thinking a new wave?

Speaker 5 (53:21):
What about they?

Speaker 3 (53:22):
What about they? Damn running back depot way drop the ball?
Why do people keep doing that?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Hey, I don't understand. Listen, you don't look sweet it don't.
You don't look cool.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Listen what you need to do next time. Don't drop
that ball.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I'm gonna tell my running backs and til everybody going
to the goal. When you score a touchdown, you can't
drop the ball until you run out the back of
the end zone. If you don't run out the back
of the end zone, that ball better come back to
the sideline. Hit your head on the goal post. Come on, man,
ad that's just dumb and people are getting keep keep

(54:01):
throwing it.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
It's just it makes me so upset because I know,
like they're like, oh yeah, it's celebrating. That's not making
you look sweet. You don't look cool. You don't look
like yeah, okay, no, no, you look like an idiot.
So just bring the ball all the way across the line. Please,
let's go through.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
The back of the end zone. Before you let that
ball go.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Don't let it go.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Bring it home with you, take it all away, take
it to the crew.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Cut your touchdown ball. Some people like to give him
away and throw them around like this. Listen, don't let
the ball go to you through the back of the
end zone. But hold up, did you see the video?
Oh my goodness of the head coach. Can we play
that video? Is there any way we can do that? Yay, nay,
say dude, let's put that video up.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Now.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I understand it's a point in time where you know,
you got to motivate your player. You know, hey, bro,
come on, you got to get it together. Man, Hey,
that's all right, we got you. You know, you tap them,
you know what I'm saying. You hit them, you know,
you get them going. Yeah, and this, this, this damn
show was in one of those situations. Now you give them,

(55:17):
you could give them one, you know, And that's I'm
motivating you though. You can see the expression of motivation.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Motivation, not not like I'm mad at you, like I'm
trying to like like I'm trying to I'm trying to
let you low key right like I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
And that's the head coach. Now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
As Jonathan Gannon, so, dude doesn't drop the ball, right,
So as he drops the ball, it ends up being
a touchback.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Blah blah blah. He get to the sideline.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
You got a line in there sitting there consoling my guy, right,
you know, telling you that. The coach runs up to him,
Now I only saw the first only saw the first
one where he hit him walking away, So the one
that I hope that it's going to be Sean, it's
going to be the wrong way. He actually comes up,
you can tell him. He's dog fuck cussing him right,
he yet minute chess. And then on the way out,

(56:09):
dude's head is down just like he just you know,
he just he upset.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
He's sad, he said, he knows.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
On the way out, he gives him like a right hook,
bro as he goes through.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Please play it, please play it. Damn, Oh, it's broadcast.
We can't play this broadcast.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
They need to look at the clip.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
They need to go see the clip. Go see the clip.
All right, it's the actual head coach.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Dude is sitting he's standing there, sorry, and this lineman
has got his arm around him trying to consult him.
He comes up and bombs he minished chess. After the
bombing minute chest, he hooks him as he walks off.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
From the from the side.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Now listen, debo, don't even talk about how he was
head to head.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
And I'm like all on this like.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Zero personal space, no, yes, to hell with the personal space.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
You could get in my face. You could do all that.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Okay, you can't put your mother fucking hands on me, bitch.
Do a head coach, first off, Gannon, whatever your name is,
he should have bombed with a cannon on that right
hand he got and just slapped the piss out of him.
How are you going to now as a man go

(57:30):
home and be like, uh, yeah, son, I let this
man hit me twice. I'm losing my job, Joe.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
It's gonna take it's gonna take half the team to
get me up off of him.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Dude, I had issues because I didn't allow coach to
talk to me when I was a rookie any kind
of way. My linebacker coach, any kind of way he
wanted to. I'm like, dude, you go give me the
same respect you get these vests. You don't have to
give me any leniency or all that. But you're not
gonna talk to me crazy. I'm a kid.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
That's what got me cut my my rookie year like
I'm not You're not about to talk to me like
I'm a child and you put your hands on me.
Come on, man, how I'm gonna go home with my son,
I'm gonna go home to my son.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
I'm gonna go home to my son. Bro.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
He gonna be like, hey, you ain't do nothing to
that coach that put his hands on so I know
you ain't gonna do nothing to me. No, he tell
you he was like that man, you ain't saying in
the coach when he slapped up on you. Yeah, no,
we can't do that. And then something else that threw
me off. It is like the players are standing right there,

(58:36):
nobody's like, yo, coach, calm down, Like, you don't hit nobody, bro,
unless you want to get hit back.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Unless you ready to fight.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Like you said, James, it's a respect thing and it's
an understanding.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
It's a grown ass man that at the same time
that you coming over there all mad. Do you not
think that he feels like.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
A complete hand down, like the line.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
His hands consoling them.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yes, and you hit he bombed on him in his
chest and then he hit him with a hook on
the way out, Like where is it?

Speaker 3 (59:17):
It's no way.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
On God's green earth. I could let that go, bro,
Like and what like, you're the head coach, how.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Are you going to address it?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
You gotta address this like you ain't got you just
dropped to the bottom person in your household.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
You ain't do nothing to that coach. That's what everybody
goes say. You ain't doing nothing to the coach the
locker room, like what we're talking about. Yeah, that's not
that's not cool. That's not cool. What you gonna do, Joe?

Speaker 5 (59:50):
What?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
What would what would be your response?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Joe, I know I'm going to jail, give my bail money.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
H I think off the It's definitely gonna be what
the like when he first walked up. I'm definitely addressing
this situation like I'm gonna I'm I think, I'm I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I'm not gonna still off on my coach. I'm just
letting you know, me off the rip. I'm not gonna
steal off on him. I'm probably I wouldn't have got
hit twice after the first bomb.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
I'm gonna hum pushing it like what the fuck is
wrong with you? Like who?

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
We're gonna talk like I'm gonna get my space back
like this one. Once he hit me in my belly,
I'm pushing them off, and then it's gonna be what
it's gonna be. Because now I'm hopefully like I just
don't I just don't like people being all of my
damn space Like no, And I've had a couple of
situations in Cleveland with just coaches not not rocking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I understand what you're saying now, So you you're reacting
to the first one I got you. Maybe I want
I'm reacting to the first Yeah, because the first woman might.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
End up first.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
It's gonna be that reaction. Boom boom, It's gonna be
that reaction. It's gonna be it's gonna be boom boom.
What the whole Nick?

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
What?

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
What you got going?

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
You know what I'm saying? Then we now you lost
your mindfe what's up? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
I'm looking at him here looking at me. I'm like,
you just hit me? Now we what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Like? What the fuck? You could talk right so mad?

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Or like you just that now now you get something
between you. You know, somebody was like whoa, whoa, whoa, what's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Going on here? When you're sitting there just taking it
and listen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I cannot I'm not gonna be able to sit there
if I'm the dude that's holding him and you come
and just bomb on him, Yo, slow your role right there, coach, Like,
are y'all that afraid of this coach? I don't know
this is this is not the first time he done
did something like this. It can't be, you know, it's
no way, as a first time head coached, you bomb

(01:01:44):
off on the player that dropped the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Going into the end zone on the sideline and you're
already up. They were up at that point and you
bomb on him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
No, no, yeah, it's just it's just like you said, deo,
that physical stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Why are you hitting another grown ass man? You on
your like and it's not like a hype like come
on here, you getting you pass up?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Hey man, come on here together, you get it back boom,
you know, one of those It ain't that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
No, you frustrated, you try and box you mad.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
You ain't from you mad. That's that's what happens. You
get mad.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
People get mad, and the first thing you want to
do is you want to you want to get you
want to get your hands moving, you know what I'm saying, Like, like,
think about it. You sitting there and your kids do
something and you be like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Whoa, let me calm down, Let me calm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Down, Like that's like the way I grew my patients
do is my kids. My kids has made me a
far more patient person than I ever would then in
my whole entire life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
They saved my life, sure, one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
And ten percent, but me today reform far better than
I was. Still, like you said, would have had to
react to that now old old me, the one that
ain't had no kids and he had no responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I would have went on here and got locked up. Yeah,
it had took the team.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
You know, it took FO five to put me off
of him because I'd have been trying to put cleats.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
All through his lip face. Yep, Like I'm supposed to
go home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
James and Henry looking at me like, hey, Dad, don't
say shut the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Dad, I'll be gonna slap chew in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Coach, it's just cussing you out. Now I'm sitting there
like this. Now I'm sitting there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Like, nah, man, I can't have that, bro, I can't
have that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Hey man, here, listen, bro, I want to let you
know brother that, uh, I'm not upset that y'all lost.
I'm actually happy. I know you're a little upset.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
But you're still over there and the UK London.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yes, man, we got my flight back. I get out
of here tomorrow to come back. Okay, you out of
here tomorrow. Oh yeah, So we.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Gotta let know, we gotta we gotta let him know
what's going to happen tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Man, We're gonna be off tomorrow because I'm gonna be traveling.
But we will be back on Friday for the Debo
and Joe show back live eleven o'clock with your Thursday
night football recap, with your Monday night football recap, with
your what's about that happened this weekend recap?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Me and Debo. Look here baby, we will be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Back here on Friday. We want you to please like
and subscribe. Okay, we want to thank you guys for
coming a Who do we.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Who do we play next week? Joe? Who do we
play next week? Who do is it? The Brownie? Who
is the week? You know? Who is traveling?

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Yeah, you know what I'm gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I'm neutral?

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
What I'm neutral?

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
You're neutral? Joy play each other? What jersey?

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
I'm I'm gonna come in with a jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
It's gonna be a two three jersey split half Browns
half stealers like my tattoo.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
What tattoo? Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
You bet I had no heir? You beten I had
no Browns until the tattoo on you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Yeah right there, right bro? You see that, Bro Browns
still that ain't brouh ain't real, ain't real. It's fifty
fifty's Brown's and stillers on there. Hey, bro, look here,
who you looking to win in this matchup? That's what

(01:06:11):
I want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Whoever deserves to win, whoever plays a better more no turn,
whoever plays you want to win.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
It ain't about who plays. Who do you want to win?

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Whoever plays better?

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Come on, I'm so glad I've been loving the devote.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Your eyes are saying so many words, like you like
you want to like you want to put hands on me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Like that coach did. There we are