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center bent. But first, the game that you just watched,
the Broncos a one step closer to winning the AFC
West and clinching the number one overall seed if will
win tonight. If the Chargers were to lose at the Texans,
they would be the number one seed.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But that remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
But the Broncos win tonight twenty to thirteen over the
Kansas City Chiefs bow knicks twenty five and thirty eight
one eight two, one touchdown, one reception. He was also
sacked once. They had thirty two carries above twenty eight,
twenty six pass attempts completion excuse me, one eighty two
and one touchdown. Kansas City olidacun had was thirteen or
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twenty two for sixty six yards. They ran the ball
for eighty two yards, so bear barely less than one
hundred and fifty yards the total offense.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Tonight OCHR the Broncos like, look, we don't believe they
can move the ball up and down the field on us.
Let's not do anything careless. Let's not get reckless with
the football. They were very very conservative, very very generic,
and the play selection in which they ran and they
were able to scape a division arrival without one of
the best quarterbacks in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes down to
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the starting corners. The Kansas City's defense and the starting
offensive line was in shambles. But I thought they did
a great job against the number one sack team in
the NFL. They only gave up one sack and he
did a great job of getting out of harm's way.
Ocho watching this ball game, what did you like about
what you saw from the Broncos And what did I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I didn't like the fact that they played down to
the competition. I would have loved for I would have
loved for Sean Payton to be a little bit more aggressive,
obviously trusting bot Nicks. To me, it almost seemed with
the way the play Carling was to night and knowing
that they're down and don't have Patrick Mahomes at the helm,
let's take advantage of this situation. Then take advantage of
them being that they don't have Patrick Mahomes, and let's
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put the pedal to the medal.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Let's be aggressive.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Let's allow bow Knicks to put up those type of
stat lines he put up.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The past two previous weeks and didn't looked like that tonight.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Tonight, it looked like the Bronco played down to their competition.
I mean, that's what it looked like to me. I'm
not sure what the problem was. At some point, they're
gonna have to let bow Knicks off that lead. They
gotta let him off. They got gotta let him off
that LEAs especially once you get to the playoffs. I
know you want your defense to be able to carry
you through the way, but your quarterback, your quarterback is
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going to have to come through for you at some point.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They did win, though I got There's nothing I gonna
say they did.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They won. They won, but you don't accept anything.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And to win, you wouldn't one the loss and ad
you lost this game, you'd have been very disappointing your performance.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And I love the Broncos. I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I don't make any you know, bones about that, and
there's nothing to be ashamed of. But for me right now,
looking at this team over the last three weeks, I
think they're closer to being one and done than they
are winning a playoff game, because in the playoffs, a
team can grab the momentum and you will find yourself
down fourteen to seventeen points in the blak of an eye,
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in the blink of an eye, and and and I
see some things that's concerning for me, and I've watched it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Look, you can't listen.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
If you got Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, you can
keep winning these one score games in the regular season
and it'll translate into postseason because they've been there and
they've done that. You're talking to a quarterback that's never
been there and done that, and the game got out
of hands last year against Buffalo, so he don't know
what it's like to be in the one a nipp
and tuck ball game. Come postseason. You think the the
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the pressure is immensing. The regular season, you times that
because it's it's finality. You lose that game, you're going home.
See you lost last week against Jacksonville. Guess what you
played Thursday night? And the playoff there is none of that.
And so that's concerning to me because I see some
things consistently, and sometimes Sean Paygne, I don't get. I
don't get why all of a sudden he's a situation
(07:04):
that moving the ball good and then he gets the
bright idea, you know what, let me let me show
my genius, and he just tried something off the cup
that really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
The defense was the defense tonight. I thought they would
get after him a little bit more than what they did.
I thought they was very conservative. They didn't bring pressure, Ojo.
They just played a lot of base defense and just
slopped back.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
They could know what they knew. They had nothing to
worry about. Patrick Mahone wasn't there, so you know what,
it's really no need to do that. And obviously the
backup quarterback, the backup quarterback a little old ducon. Yeah, yeah,
he got legs. Huh, he got legs. Now, you bring
pressure if you want to. When he come by that backside.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
On, you can hurt you. So I mean, I mean
what they did, they had a great game playing defensively.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
If you don't mind me asking, Ojo, when people attacked
the raven, when people attacked or Josh Allen, what did
they do they.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Sit back there and play or do they got damn pressure?
Bright because I wouldn't make it this Sion right now.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You want to speed it up, you want to speed
it out.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Okay, I'm with you when you're right, But they didn't
see him as a threat.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
They didn't see him as a.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Threat, which is why they which is why they played
the game, played the game the way they did.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
We can sit back here. We can sit back here
and just play ball. I ain't gotta do nothing extra,
I gotta do nothing exotic. I'm just calling a defense, y'all. Boy,
do what y'all do?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I agree with you. I just think that the last
thing is, I'm not so sure that last played the
Hollywood Brown. Look, he couldn't set his feet. The ball
selled on him and got a little high. But for
it to come down to a throw at the end
of the game, and when you're down, they're down their
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starting quarterback, the MVP quarterback, they're down that offensive line,
they're down too, starting corners. And all you can muster
was twenty points. And I understand it's a rivalry game.
I understand it's on the road, but there's a chance
you don't get home field and you're on the road.
So then what And every team that your face is
better than Kansas City is right now, every team, whether
(09:03):
it's the Texans, whether it's the Chargers, whether it's the Jags,
whether it's the Patriots, I don't care who you're going
to face come postseason. Everybody, because of their quarterback situation
and because of their defense is banged up and their
offensive line is banged up. I don't know. I just want.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I just want.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
The thing that I know is that when you're playing
your best football heading into the playoffs, that normally bodes.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well for you come plus season. Definitely you want to
be hitting on y'all.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Obviously, it takes for the goddamn head coach to have
goddamn trusting confidence in this quarterback to be able to
make the right decision with the ball, And that opens
up the playbook. That opens up the playbook, and we
can tell those who watch the game and those who
play the game, they can tell when the head coach
trusting his quarterback by the goddamn play calling.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You drinking over there, huh?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Usually by cool? I got a little cooler.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's a cooler.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Hey where you got a little bited cooler from where?
That whoat? Ain't got no big I'm not saying I
I don't want one. I ain't never seen no cooler
that god damn small.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But I ain't never seen nothing but small either, but
it's for Christmas. Mm hmm. That cool refreshing drink.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay, what kind of what kind of drinks? What you're
drinking in?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Now?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
That that what what your krimmler krim? You you drink?
I mean you drink? I mean you hey, I know
what it is. That's a little egg nog in now.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Huh ain't no, ain't no egg ain't no eggs. A
little something, little something look, okay, okay, let me show y'all.
Little cocote working on.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Okay, Oh you got, oh you got something new coming out?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
A little caction you don't pull a little up in there.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Okay, oh you got Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
What's the chaser? What's the chaser? You know I don't drink,
but I know about the chaser. What you use as
your chaser?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
A little ginger real?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Okay, so ginger rell and look potier. Okay, yeah, man,
y'all try you know what you need to do, and
you need I know it's crivins. So you you might
want to pop one of them, pop one of them sparks.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Huh man o cho, I'll be like Superman.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Lad.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
The better I kn't I can't eve laid out of
the stomach in the bed. If I pop watermel, the
last thing I want to do is Superman.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Hey you got that, you got that. You got to
go out to New Year. You got to go out
the right way. Now, we only got a few on
the New Year.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh, I about like.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Heat the New Year all be twenty six. You know
what I'm saying. My probation officer say, I've been doing good,
he said, I ain't been.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I ain't.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I ain't went too far he said at that time
with oh Choe. He said that was pretty funny. But
but other than that, yeah, you think good. So we're
gonna we might have to move your date up a
little bit. I said, Okay, I stually appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, we can move it up.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
We can.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Dad, we get damn we got damned, So move it up. Listen,
we only got a boy. How many days left.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
In the New year? What six?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
The day that we only got s We're good?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Hey, you might will start you might will warm it
up right now?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, well we only got six. Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, look, it was it's a quick I'm not
making excuses, but it's a fan turnaround. First of all,
this Christmas, you just played Sunday, your little sore. A
lot of people probably want to you know, want to
be with their family and you know, got kids and
want to open present, especially if you're the road team.
(12:33):
You're the road team and you're playing the last game
of the evening. So not only because like at least
the Cowboys or Detroit, they're gonna get back in time
in order to do something. Man, the Bronco not gonna
get back to Well, it's two hours different from the times,
so it's one hour difference. So at seven they might
get back now. So hour you leave the stadium of
the hour, take your hour to take off. It'll take
(12:54):
you about an hour and a half to get there,
so it's gonna be probably about midnight, maybe one o'clock.
If everything, if everything was according to playing but uh,
look it's tough playing Divisions game. Kansas City is not
an easy place to play. But you couldn't ask for
better conditions. You could not have asked for better conditions
this time. But you're for Kansas City. Nobody had on sleeves,
nobody because it was it was so warm. You like, damn,
(13:19):
I'm like, damn, I remember going to Kansas City in
December and I ain't get no weather like that. Hell,
I've remember going in November and not getting weather like that.
So the weather was perfect. But a part of me
can't understand what Sean Payton was thinking. He was like,
look this team. Unless we do something crazy, we give
him a pick six, we give them a Scooper score,
and that's how they scored. If we don't, if we
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don't turn the ball over, they can't beat us. So
if we make them run the field, uh, if we
excuse me, if we make them go the length of
the bill and not give them short fields, don't give
them pick sixty, don't give them Scooper scores. Don't do
what Detroit did. They saw what Detroit did earlier. Oh, Joe,
six turnovers. That's how you get beat That's how you
get eliminated from the plow the playoffs. We saw this
(14:01):
with Detroit last year against Washington in the division round.
They had five turnovers. Jered go Jerry Golf had to day.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I mean he he he.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Uh. He missed the fans today. But the Broncos look,
bow knicks twenty six and one touchdown, one interception, nothing
to write home about. There was nothing really the right
home about I kind of feel bad for the fans
that stayed up and kind of watched this game because
what they were hoping for. I thought Courtland Sudden had
a couple of plays on his hand that he let
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get away from him. He look, that first one, you're
a pro Bowl receiver, you probably should come down. But
that's okay. I'm gonna forgive that. But that down, No, No,
the first one on third down that he told out
both Nicks stepped up in the pocket. I kind of
forgive that one because he tried, he dolled for it,
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and he didn't get a chance to bring it in.
So what in the prop says by the time he
got that and it hit the ground and popped out. But
that toun it down. You gotta have that. You gotta you,
definitely you gotta have that because you give away drag
right that got up.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yes, yes, both put some heat on that one.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yes, he's gonna have to He's gonna have to learn
some touch ojoe everything everything.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You can't be throwing through a hurricane, have some touch,
have some touch.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But look, I mean, kensa city couldn't have any more
worse look than with they had. Your starter gets hurt,
your backup gets hurt. Uh, you're down your two starting corners,
you're down your right tackles.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Uh, you're right.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I mean, I don't know if Tree, I don't know
if if Trey Smith played. So probably the only really
started that's in there is probably your left guard and
your center. But they battled. They'll be back next year,
the Broncos. Uh, I'm sure. Sean Page like, hey, we
won the ball game. It was a short week. Congratulations,
Now we get you know, you get some time off.
(15:56):
Tomorrow's Friday, so you probably get Friday. They probably get
the rest of the week off. For Joe, probably get Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
I see, you guys might listen. You might as well.
You might as well.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Look we in week seventeen. Week seventeen. Huh yeah, man,
you know everybody's in rhythm. Allowed them boys to rest up, recover,
spend time with the families, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I mean we just played Sunday.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
We came right to return, right around, turned right back
around and played Thursday. I mean we played Thursday, didn't
turn right back around and played Sunday.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Y'all go ahead, y'all. Get had a chill for.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Their one win away. Look, the Broncos inch closer. All
they need now is for the Chargers to lose. If
the Chargers don't lose, the Chargers play the Broncos the
final game of the final regular season game.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh joe.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
If the Chargers beat the Broncos and beat the Houston Texans,
they win the NF the AFC. Uh well, and they're
trying to Look, they're trying to do everything they can
to hold on to that number one seed because New England,
New England's in position to get it and and Jacksonville
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is in position to get the number one seed. So
this is a very important This is a very important
game for the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
We'll see what happens this weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
They get an opportunity to sit back and relax and says, Okay,
we've already taken care of our business. Let's see what
happens this weekend, and they'll know what they're definitely what
they need to do come weekend and next weekend and
see if they can clinch that number one seed and
the AFC West Division title.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
But so the Broncos are thirteen and three.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh show, the New England pages are twelve and three,
Jacksonville's eleven and four, the Steelers are nine and six.
That is your division leaders as we currently speak. The
Chargers are eleven and four, Buffalo is eleven and four,
and the Houston Texas are ten and five. So that's
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those are your wild cards as we currently speak.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Obviously the number one seed, the one seed, two see
three seeds. All that can fluctuate. All that can fluctuate.
But as we sit right now, the Broncos are the
number one seed at thirteen and three, The Patriots are
the number two seed at twelve and three, Jacksonville the
number three seed at eleven and four, and the Pittsburgh
Steelers are round out the top the division winners, division
leaders at nine and six. So there's gonna be a
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lot of people scoreboard watching on Sunday. Oh you know
how it goes like, oh, okay, we're here, let's see
what they.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Do scoreboard the whole game.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You gonna be cheered. You gonna be cheering for teams
that you normally hate. Like, I don't know why I
got a cheer for you guys, but come on.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You hate you hate being in that position where you
have to rely on someone else for your destiny.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's one of the worst feelings in the world, right
it is.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
The Lions playoff chances ended with a twenty three ten
lost to the Vikes.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The Lions ended the season with the fifth best odds
to make the playoffs, but now drop four of the
past five. Golf was sacked five times the Vikings defense
first forced coals by him, two interceptions, three fumbles. Again,
Golf had remember in the divisional game against the Washingtonians,
he had five, he had five today and Jamier Gibbs fumbling.
(19:13):
Uh so they had six turnovers entering tonight. Oh Joe,
They only had turned the ball over eight season, the
fewest in the NFL. With the loss, Detroit has now
lost more than the previous two seasons combined. And Dan
Campbell won't run away from retooling the roster in the
offseason wherever it's necessary. But the Hey, I think we
(19:34):
need to talk about something. We need to have a
real conversation. Who started calling the plays? Who took over
the play calling on Joe Campbell. Ain't nobody want to
talk about that because they won the first time he
took over, and everybody will talking about whoa yeah, Yeah, okay, okay,
let's let's let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Look good, young, I'm trying to see when it comes
to the play calling, I'm trying to talk about the
running game. What happened to the guy damn running game
at Jamiir Gibb was on fire week the week I'm
talking about, back to back weeks, he was putting up
crazy numbers, hitting his head.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Off the gold post from from way out there in
the field. Then all of a sudden, on the past
what four five weeks.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
The running game has been abusinessmal it's it's somewhat disappeared.
I'm not sure what's going on with the goddamn offensive line.
What the hell is wrong with the goddamn center. He
forgot how to snap the goddamn ball.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, and your left tackle.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You got Skipper uh playing at loft tackle when really
he's a swing He's a swing lineman. He comes in
on Joe. He always rubbed himself, letting the officials know
that he's in eligible.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
He's not a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Unfortunately, oh Joe, they sul he's your best office lineman.
He might have to you might have to kick him
to the left. You got to you wasted him on
the right sine.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You have to listen. He's a Swiss Army knife ONNK.
He can do just about.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
He can play right guard, right tackle, left left guard,
left tackle.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
He can do it all. He's that good at what
he does. And the fact that a god damn Brossmer
was nine for sixteen for fifty one fifty one yards.
Nine for sixteen for fifty one yards. This ain't this,
ain't Pop Warner. This is the NFL game. This is
a chat.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
This is an NFL game. The stats for a starting quarterback.
He's a backup, but he was starting tonight in a
real game, in a real game where you got one
of the top three receivers in the NFL on your
team in Justin Jefferson. Huh, with another great duo right
alongside him in Jordan Addison. Like, is the quarterback play
that bad? Is there a development problem when it comes
(21:35):
to quarterbacks in the NFL for you to have one
of the I'm about with your eyes.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Closed, I can get the ball to goddamn Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
What are we talking about? He got to be frustrated.
I know a lot of people be like, oh, he's
not like that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
He's not into drama.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Oh he's not a diva. The hell you say? Man,
y'all better wake up man the man. The man wants
to produce. He wants to be able to, you know,
help his team even win. Justin Jefferson had Foe catches.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
For thirty yards. He can catch four balls for thirty
yards walking to his car with me.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Come on, man, well that that that's not his fault.
That's the organization fault. Everybody don't know how to build
a team.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
The quarterback carousels the inconsistently act quarterback with the starter,
the starter who continues to keep getting hurt.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
There's always something else, something else going wrong with.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Him, with hell or The more and more the season
goes on, the more they should be kicking themselves about
letting Sam Donald walk out That almost curse, but.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Ain't gonna curse.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
They should.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They should be kicking the boy letting Sam Donald walk
out there, goddamn though.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
They absolutely should, don't. Joe and being cheap, I mean,
think about what they paid him. I think see paid
him thirty million dollars, maybe thirty three million dollars a year.
Games of incentives can bump it up to thirty five forty.
The guy run fourteen for you last year. So you're
gonna go with an unproven guy, and I look, I
get it. We took JJ McCarthy. I had my concerns
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about McCarthy because they're a running team. Now, the likelihood
of you coming into the NFL, you're gonna have to
throw your way to a championship. You're not running your
way to a championship. Look at all the running quarterbacks.
Name me one that's won the championship running the football.
Steve Young had to figure out how to throw it
from the pocket. My guy number seven had to throw
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from the pocket. Lamar Jackson's won the MVPs because he's
gotten better throwing from the pocket.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
You've got to throw from the pocket, and so it
can it set up?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
My I was like, hold on, y'all taking a guy
in his high and all he did was basically turn
around and hand the ball off the charpio and carm
and y'all think that's the guy that's gonna takeh y'all
got Jella, and y'all got all these high powered weapons,
and y'all feel comfortable with that. Okay, y'all know more
than me. Y'all's got it in the more than I did. Okay,
I get it, but he stayed, he got injured, he
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missed his entire year. How many times there's been nicked
this year and had to sit out? There's a recurrent theme.
Now your backup Carson Wentz he got hurt. No hey,
no surprise there. He's always getting hurt. And now you
got a guy that's kind of bounced around, and I
don't know what you expected to get out of nine
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to sixteen for fifty one yards.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
He was sacked seven times.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But if look, I think it's only fair that Dan
cam Will gives some criticism because we applaud him when
he goes for it on fourth down. We applaud him
for having this team ready to play. All I know
is this Brian Floyd is going to be getting some
serious consideration because look at the job that he's done
against the Detroit Lions and back to back week Now,
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imagine if you had a quarterback we back it up
that that could get backed up by that defense. Yeah,
you got a Dallas Turner, you got Bang Ginkle. Oh,
that defense is legit. Harrison Smith is still playing at
the top of this game, absolutely, Murphy Jr. Just imagine
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if you had an offense that can put them in
a depth that could put you in a deficit more
times than not, instead of you playing from a deficit
because they know, look guys, we fall behind.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Man, there's a good chat. We don't lose, and we
got an offense that can go get more.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
The funny thing about it, when you think about it,
they got the offense. They just missing one piece. They
missing the centerpiece. They missing the most important piece. They
missing the one that makes the most money. For a
goddamn reason, the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yes, that's all. That's all.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
That's all they're missing. That's why you understand. Quarterbacks don't
come around that often.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
They're very hard.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
They're very, very extremely hard to find. For those in
the chat that have been watching the game of football
for a very long time, you understand by watching and
understanding maybe your team might not have a quarterback and
haven't had one for years, you understand how hard they
are to come. So when you get one and you
get a small symbicize of what he can do. With
Sam Donald shorty last year, you don't let him walk
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out the door because you just because you drafted somebody
in with a ten pick in the first round.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Not at that price.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So Joe, not at the price that Now, if you
had to pay him fifty that's different. That's different. Oh Joe,
you got him for thirty million and plus a couple
of incentives. Okay, you take us back to you win
the division, we'll give you another million dollars. You make
the Pro Bowl, I give you another million dollars. You
play sixty five seventy percent of the snaps, I give
you another million dollars.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'll incentivize it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So he can get the forty million. So he feels
good about himself. Obviously, he like man, I won fourteen
games last year. The team is back. I still got Jedal,
I still got Adison, I got Hokinson, I got Jones
in the backfield. I'm good the offensive lize a little
beat up there we coming and going, but hey, I'm
good with that. Played behind it last year. I can
do it again this year. I don't I don't know
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what they were thinking. Quarterbacks don't grow on trees, not
good ones. I mean it looks ojo grass. I mean
you can find vines and stuff and let zoo. They
spread like, Wow, I find it, but really quality stuff
you don't find often.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And when you get a quarterback and you've.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Seen his body of work, so you know his study habits,
you know his practice habit, you know how he performs
in game situation.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I don't know what more you need.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
You don't know what JJ McCarthy habits are come game
time because he hasn't been in one, not a real game. Okay,
his study habits, he heard, What else can he do?
I think they dropped the ball on this, Ojo. Considering
what's in that division. You look at what's in that division.
Caleb Williams not going anywhere, Jordan Love's not going anywhere.
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Jared goff It has another three four years not going anywhere.
You're behind your defense rivals, all of them. But where
you lack, here's your quarterback. That's the most important thing.
It So that's what needs to be oh yo, end
of this game. Jetta pass random offs eight th three
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hundred and seventy five yards for the most receiving yards
by a player in his first six NFL seasons. Well,
he gonna probably be upstairs say hey, man, I need
y'all to go get me a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Because he could have passed it because I'm struggling.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Oh yo, this man struggle. Let me come on now,
O yo. Seventeen games, seventeen a receiver getting the thousand yards.
It ain't nothing, that's basically oh ohcha, The're basically sixty
two yards a game. And I'm paying thirty five million
for sixty two yards a game. O Joe, No, And
that's not his fault. Ain't nothing he could do about
that because he can't throw it to him. Damnself, you right,
because but you know what's gonna Oh yo, you know
(28:44):
what it is? Hey, hey man, you know a w
I know it's not all your fault.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Ain't none of it. You be all my fault ain't.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
None of you know, you know the game. And then
listen what I do like about what I like about
Jetta's jetted.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
He pure class? Huh he pure class.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You know, he say all the right things. You put
that camera in front of and be asking him right question.
He gonna give you what you want. He gonna give
you everything you want. But I know how you really feel.
You can tell it in menerism. You can tell by
how you walk. You can see it in his eyes.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You know, but but he hold him back.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
So I'm hoping management does their due diligence and addressing
the situation and getting young buller quarterback because he's on
a historic run. He's on a historic run and gonna
go down to one of the best they ever played.
His mother almost cursed again. He's gonna go down as
one of the best they ever played this game and
accomplished stuff in such a short amount of time that
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not very many have done before. And him not having
a quarterback and adequate quarterback is hurting.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's hurting.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It absolutely is hurting him, Ojo. And the thing is,
like you said, there was his historic numbers, and you
look at what he man. This man missed down there
half a season, came back, got over a thousand yard
and made the Pro Bowl. Now he says, I played
a fool seat And you mean to tell me I
got the struggle. I got to go into the last
game to get a thousand yards and y'all a put
up his numbers. What does he have right now? They
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might have to force feed him to get a thousand. Oh, Joe,
you might win out. You got are you muted?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah? I mean hold on, I thought he was at
a thousand already.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I don't know. Uh, hold on that far behind.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He gonna need he need to go in the next
week and go crazy. Nah, he don't need to go crazy.
He got nine forty seven. He's fifty three yards shot.
He had forty tonight. So it's not out of the rail.
But pop, okay, Joe. Is JJ McCarthy coming back next week?
If JJ McCarthy coming back.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
No, he fractured. He fractured the bone in the throwing hand.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I don't give a fuck nick wrap that bitch up.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Come on back, Hey, come on, come on man like
I mean, well brossmer, I mean, listen, fifty yards they
can get they can get it fifty He got to
get that thousand yards.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
He has to do team, he has to do that
thousand yards. I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I'm sure the Vikers organization, the play caller, head coach,
they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Make sure he does get it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
To keep that historic pace and what he's done since
he's ended the NFL, keep it going. And I have
one question I want to ask you about the Detroit
Lions chat. You guys chat, you guys to chime into.
Do we give Dan Campbell any kind of grace? Do
we give him some grace? I know, we love his bravado.
We love the fact that he's very confident in his players,
his team, especially offensive, because he's one of the few coaches,
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regardless of analytics, regardless of what anybody says, he always
goes for it on fourth down. But do we give
him any grace even though this is a fail season,
right because of the injuries he's had on defense this year.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, they had those injuries last year and they still
did it. I mean, you kick, you take the points early,
and last week you're kicking them. You're kicking the ball
to win the game in Pittsburgh against Pittsburgh at home.
His play calling have left something that be the I mean,
(32:22):
let's let's just call it what it is. I mean,
he took over the play calling, and since he's taken
over the play calling, they've lost for.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The last five games.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Because we show gave him credit, we show lauded him
when they won and he started to call it take
it over the plays and he let it be known
that he was taking over the play calling.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So no, we don't. We don't do no excuses here. Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Aiden Hutchison is ben Aiden, Hutchison, Jack Campbell was all
over the field today. Uh, Muhammad doing what Muhammad does
all over the field today.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
The defense didn't play bad, bro, It's hard to overcome six.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
You're absolutely right, and please tell me listen, I hate
to go back. I want to talk about one play
with with Hutchison. Please tell me you saw him to
do that step spin.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Oh if you had any doubt, if it's if it's that,
that lage was empty.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah and quick that night.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
That was night.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
And he got a nice little bag on He got
a nice little tool box on him, nice little box,
mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And then he got Muhammad on the other side. Mohammed
flushing one side. Ay, it's like it's like a hunting,
you know, the pointers go in there and flush them
the game out.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I picked him off. Okay, you flush him to the left.
I got it. You flush him to the right, I
got it. We worked with that.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Hey, y'all, collaf the pocket inside so he can't step up.
He gotta come he gotta come up. Look here, oh, Joe,
I'm all the holes. He gotta come out of one
of these two holes. Now, Hey, I got Mohamed plug
in one and I got some plugging, the other he
got nowhere to go. Look, he got the most yard
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for the first six years.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I don't know. I don't know how much you long
have it because Chase right behind him.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, you know what I mean, those two are gonna
be neck and neck throughout their entire career.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Well, I think Cha's gonna pass it because Chase got
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I don't know how long Chase gonna if he wants
to stay in whatever, that's a that's a discussion for
another day.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But as long as he has him, he has a
decided thing.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You got to be cared. You got to be careful
because look what you just said, he has a quarterback. Now,
there's only so many teams now that have quarterbacks of
that magnitude where you can leave one team to go
to the next, and that that that production continues to
remain the same.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It ain't that easy, right And you see think about it.
Look at what.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, you say, whatever you want to say, But first cousin,
you protect him.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
He picked you apart surgical.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And last year he get he get he had no
drop off because Sam Donald came in and played extremely well,
So he had no drop off from Cousins to Donald
and then he gets JJ McCarthy, he gets uh Wins,
and he gets Baltimore and you see a particular precipitous.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Drop that that's that's so it hurts me, and I'm
just watching.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
It hurts me too. But I don't really know where,
I don't really know what. I don't really know what
else we can do, Ojoe, I don't know what else
we can do. Just hope keep his head up, because
you look, we've both been in situations like that, you
more so than me, being a wide receiver and having
a level of expectation and playing to a certain standard.
And then because people don't really care about the quarterback
situation now, all they want to see they see Ocho
(35:57):
sink on the back of that jersey eighty five, while
I see no dancing. Why I don't see no some
breather on the sideline? Why I don't see no? I
don't see no. I don't see no jokes anymore. I
don't see no antiques. I don't see none of that.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
What's going on? I remember, you see what's going on?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I remember them days. I remember the days.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So the Dallas Cowboys beat the Washington Commanders by the
score thirty to twenty three. The Cowboys had seventeen first
downs in the first half, while the Commodores Commodore's the
commander rd eighteen players. Lot of Richie would be from
me the Commanders the Commander's Oh Joe. Cowboys had seventeen
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first down The Commanders ran eighteen total plays, yet the
game ended in the one score game. Dak Prescott nineteen
to thirty seven, three oh seven, two touchdowns, zero intercepsion,
but he was sacked six times. Malik Davis ran the
ball twenty carries one hundred and three yards. Javonte William
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thirteen carries fifty four yards. Hunter lupeck Uh seven for.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Thirty and then Dyk had four for twenty four, forty
four carries for two. O leven.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Uh Gabonte Turpin old Post one catch eighty six yards
a touchdown. Pick was reliable, didn't get a whole lot
of opportunities, but he was four for seventy eight. Ceed
Lamb was five for forty six. Josh Johnson was fifteen
or twenty three one ninety eight no touchdowns. Jaquori Costa
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Barrett eleven carries one hundred and five yards.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Debo had two. So they had sixteen carries, oh Jo,
sixteen carries for one hundred and thirty eight yards.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So this is why people ASKI, man, I don't know
how the Cowboys missed the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
The Cowboys got a four thousand.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yard rush, a passer, two thousand yard receivers, a thousand
yard rusher, and they can hope to be five hundred
because the d When you got a defense that does
stuff like this, they won't tackle.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
They won't tackle.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
They need Look, they need to get linebackers, they need
to get middle backers. Those they got the guy from Cincinnati.
I'm sorry, O Joe. There's a reason. Think about it.
You think Cincinnati gonna let.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Go, No, sir, they had he had you listen Murray, Yeah,
younger players in front of him that were better.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
That's all it was. They gotta they got it. They
gotta mold on them.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
They they sideline the sideline, they faster, They little better
than coverage. There's so many factors that go in to
play when they let when they let certain people go, Okay,
you don't fit the system anymore. You don't fit the
system in what we like to do. Probably see a
good player. You probably still to the player in the
right situation. It just wasn't a good fit there. They need,
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they need, think the Cowboys. I'm not a GM, I'm
not a scout, but I understand football. I've been I've
been watching it long enough. I've been I mean, I
played it long enough. I've played it all my life.
You know, the Cowboys they need a difference make up
humph on that line.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
You get you one. All you need is one chat.
You just need one. Get your difference make on.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
That line in huh, and get you something in that
on that back end, on that third level. Come on,
now we can come to the party. You ain't even
gotta bring your own drink. They gonna let you in.
Get you in, and get you somebody on that third level. Man,
I ain't talk about to just know anybody. Somebody DCEs,
some somebody of quality, high quality.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You're gonna be all right, cap.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
O cho cowboy fan. Let's be real. Since d ron
Bland got paid, he still balling.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
He heard that's not.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Fair that man? Was that what you mean?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He might have been hurt today, but I'm talking about
leading up this year Trayvon Diggs, he's injured. He hadn't
been the same. He had a great year and you
heard you heard Jerry talk about it. Jerry says sometimes
he likes to get outside of the scheme. Okay, you
can get outside of the scheme. But if you get
outside of the scheme, what much you do?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
O Joe? You gotta make plays. See, he's a feast
of famine corner get you.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
But he's gonna like to And why while you're on
the top of the digs, Like when I think about
DB's in the NFL, and this goes for all of
them because you have to understand, if you make one mistake,
if you at a position, it's a touchdown every time. Yes,
that's that's that's how that's how the NFL works. But
what I like about DB's and this goes.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
For every single one.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Ninety percent of the dbs they play this game not
to get beat. There's five percent that play to make
a play. There's a difference in the two and it's
only it's only two categories. You plan not to get beat.
In the other five percent, they plan to make a play.
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Trayvon Diggs is in that five percent. Now sometimes Uh,
they're gonna get him. But the other times he turned
that ball over and it's going the other way most
of the time.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
For six.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I think.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The problem is is that you gotta know what because
you got a bass, right toget the situation and you
go for it and you let's just say you tie
the top six. That's what's gonna happen. And we're gonna
talk about this a little later. I think Quiney Williams phenomenal.
(41:34):
Twenty millions that deserve to go to the Pro Bowl.
He didn't you.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Said he did, know he did.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
He did not earn the right he's going.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Hey, him going to the Pro Bowl is a carryover
for what he was doing with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Nothing nothing, nothing, nothing nothing. Let's be real.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
I don't got listen, I don't have his numbers in
front of me. I don't have his numbers in front
of me. So I'm not sure what he was doing.
But he went to the Pro Bow for a reason.
You gotta understand, it's the players that vote on that.
So the player sees something in Quinn Williams based on
what he was doing with the Jets, as bad as
they were, he came over here in the trade to
the Cowboys, and they.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Still voted me in. So they voted him in for
a reason.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
He got to be doing something. He making some kind
of noise in them trenches. I don't be in the trenches, hunk.
My last time in the trenches was back in nineteen
eighty three out here in Liberty City. Now, them trenches
on that football field, between them white lines, I don't
really I don't really play in them. I don't play
in them, but I know Quinn Williams like that.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Oh me, can I interest you for two and a
half cents?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Take your time? Wait a minute, hold on, hold on,
hold on, he's the run stop for that. He's not
Aaron Donald's.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Need not No, no, Jaredsey no, no, no, no, no,
no so so so hold on, I'm trying to find
so what.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
No, No, he's not playing to be run stopper. Jared
say he can get after the quarterback. No, Jerry lying that.
Jerry labed through his teeth.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yes he did not.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
In twenty twenty, hold on, this is what your run stopper,
you say, Yeah, run stopper. In twenty twenty, he had
seven sacks in twenty twenty one, he had six sacks.
In twenty twenty two, he had twelve sacks. In twenty
thirty three, he had five and a half sacks. Last
year he had six sacks. So you will you you
want to take that back.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Talk to me, Take take your time, take a time.
He's a deep.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
He got two and a half sacks.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Damn. Hey, he had it down here. Yes, you're right,
you're right, you're right.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Hey, probably probably uh the Jett situation probably take an
emotional toll on him.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Hey, he's a a he nice though, he nice, he nice. Listen,
I know this season has been up and down.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I've seen him be nice. I'm just saying he wasn't.
Oh jo And see that's the thing. This is the
part that I hate about the Pro Bowl because I've
been there before. We don't get about let lets we're
talking about this. We'll come back to this, We'll come
back to this. Uh the Cowboys, Look, dak is gonna
have a end up with a phenomenal season. They're gonna
do and see if they play him tomorrow. Oh Joe,
(44:24):
that man got hit six. That man got sacked six
times six and he got he got bien a couple
of times. Like, whoa, damn, damn dad. Oh, I gotta
be careful. So they're gonna wait, they're gonna they're gonna
look at this because the last thing you want to do.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Oh, you're not going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And I know Dak wants to play, but do I
want him to play behind this offensive line?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Y'all asking me how many tackles he got seventeen on
the season. I'm just going about with his stats, say
regular seasons, saying he got.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
He got more than seventeen seventeen tackles on the season.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Hold on, and you got to understand too, unk that
young bull taking on that double team now too, brack.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Oh Joe, oh, Choe, I'm paying you twenty men. So,
so what's Jefferson? What? What's what's Brown from Carolina doing?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
What's Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter nor Quinny Williams earned the
right to go to the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh with Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis is outplaying?
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yes, Jordan Davis has been phenomenal this year. Yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
No, I'm a I'm a I'm a two, I'm a
I'm a TV watcher and I know what a defensive
tackle is.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I played the game long enough, and I watched the
game closely enough. You don't know a three technique, a
five technique of seven, a wide nine, a cowboy.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
You don't know any of that. That's me.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
You don't know what the shade. You don't know what
the undertackle is. Y'all just talking, y'all know, y'all, watch
the stat line. I can tell you when he's in
the shade, when he's in a pre tech, A five
or seven, A hard knight, a wide night, a cowboy.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I know all.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I know when they playing cover five, cover six quarters
Tampa two cloud.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Y'all, yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Y'all, y'all testing your football knowledge against the wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Wrong with y'all. With that being said.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Jordan Davis from the Philadelphia Eagles, I think you about it, oh, y'all.
Jemen Carter miss the laughter. Jeorge Davis got more sacks,
more tackles than both of them. As a matter of fact,
he got more sacks than both of those guys combined.
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I'm not saying they're not phenomenal players.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
They just they this year.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
This, this, this is the year.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
See, oh, Joe, this is what I say, it's got
Pro Bowl can't be a lifetime achievement a thing.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's gotta be year to year.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Did you play well enough this year to earn the
right to go to the Pro Bowl. Let's be real, chat,
let's be put all the things aside. Do y'all believe
Jordan Do y'all believe?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Uhh?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Jalen Carter and Quinny Williams had a better season than
Jordan Davis. Yeah, go back and watch the tape. Since
y'all say y'all watched it, Watch the tape and you
tell me if Quinny Williams and and Jalen Carter had
a better season than Jordan Davis, I can fight you.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Sure good.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Hey, you got that. You you got that licking your
system work. You gotta lick in your system.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
But I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell the truth. I
will really tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Now, go ahead and let it rip. Now, go ahead
and let it rip.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Be good because you know what they say, Oh Joe, drunk,
angry people and kids.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
So I ain't got no troit.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Let it out, let it out to night. We ain't
got none but time.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I'm just saying, just go go back and watch the tape.
Forget the stats. Go back and watch and you'll see
who making plays for the Eagles in the d tackles.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Is it Jalen Carter or is the Jordan Davis.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Go back and watch Quinn Williams tape, and go back
and watch Jordan Davis's tape.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
It ain't close. It's not close, oh Jo.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Tensions are reportedly heating up between the Lamar Jackson and
the Ravens front offense, Cheering on the edge of making
or missing the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
The Baltimore Ravens are possibly playing a.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Crucial Week seventeen game without Lamar, who's dealing with a
back injury that he's sustained. In Week sixteen, Baltimore columnists
Mike Preston published a piece detailing a level of friction
between the organization, in particular Lamar's conditioning and his handful
of injuries this season and length the return from each.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Each of them. Preston also.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Position the idea that the Ravens should look at every
option with Lamar this off season, adding that Lamar would
love to play in Miami, and Rappaport reported, well, where
this goes, it doesn't feel like to me, there's a
little bit of inflection point. Lamar had the opportunity to
re up this contract before the off season at the time,
and a lot of people thought that he would did
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not happen. The Ravens are at very least have some
things to figure out about and some relationships to discuss
in the off season. I'm not saying there's anything that's
going to blow up, but at least there need to
be some conversation about how everything how everyone can move
forward together.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Hey, hey, Chack, how would Mike Preston know that there
are issues.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Going on with Lamar in the front office.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
I'm just gonna let whatever happens happens. I'm gonna let
it happen because to see, if I say something, I
hate the brother.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
So I'm gonna let it go.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Yeah, I said it earlier, Chad, listen to me. Listen
to me anytime a reporter says something. I saw a
lot of Ravens fans when I commented on the article
and said, well, if they don't appreciate you, Lamar, come
on down here to Miami.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
We appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
Tacking home, everybody jumped on my head. Tell me about Oh,
don't listen to Mike Press and that's fake news. He
doesn't know what he's talking about. I know, you guys
not might like him as a reporter. But one thing
they don't do is they will never write anything or
say anything where their credibility is not intact coming it
is coming from in house. Anything he writes, anything he's saying,
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is coming from in house.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Listen to me. As much as y'all love Lamar, I
love Lamar too.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
I can only see number eight, that young bull out
of pomp Or. I can only see number eight in
a raven jersey. But this game game they do in
leaking information purposely to the media, and then the media
write certain stuff and you kind of wonder, oh, he
just writing that out of nowhere. No, it's coming from
inside the building. They do this on purpose. This is
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the game they play. They do this all the time,
the not just Lamar Jackson, to all.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
The great players. When things aren't going.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Well, when the season doesn't go the way it's go,
Oh maybe it's time we do this. Oh maybe it's time.
They do it to everybody. And now it's his turn.
So I mean, I'm just like the just the thought
of it, just the thought of a two time MVP,
one of the best, top three, top five quarterbacks in
the NFL. You know, someone writing the article in him
being somewhere else. It's a possibility. It is as much
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as much as we love him, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Telling you this the whey it works.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
The front office, the organization always leaks stuff like this
just to get the fucking ball rolling.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Always, Oh Joe, they got I say, look, Lamar's been injured.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Lamar's not injured.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I say, well, he missed five games in twenty one,
he missed five games in twenty two. He's already missed
three games. There's a possibility he'll miss one or more
games the rest of the season, So that'll be five games.
So that'll be.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Five, five and five.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Now, the thing is is that when you pay a
quarterback that kind of money and you know, the best
availabil oh that was.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Availability. And look it's not his.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
You know, I don't know anything about the conditioning or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
And maybe maybe it hasn't reached that.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Boiling point in which Mike, because I know Mike, I was,
I was in Baltimore. Maybe it hasn't reached that point
of no return. But maybe there's like with damn, ugh, damn.
(53:01):
They gonna make a decision on Joe. I mean, he
got a cap here probably like seventy million dollars probably
next year.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
What's his cap hold on? What's his tail out here?
Speaker 3 (53:08):
Ask for seventy three or seventy four?
Speaker 2 (53:16):
No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not saying. Yes, I
believe Lamar. I believe he tweaked his hamstring. I believe
I saw him get knead in the back.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
No, I do not think Lamar Jackson is faking. I
never thought he was thinking about an injury. No, his
back hurt. That God need the hell out him in
his back. Them needs hurt. Ain't ain't a whole lot
of padding back there in your back, There's not. But
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they're gonna have to make They're gonna have to make
some tough decisions. They're gonna have to make some tough decisions.
Zayflyers making the Pro Bowl again, O Joe, that's twenty
eight million dollars.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
That's twenty eight million if you pick up the fifty option.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
What you think?
Speaker 2 (54:05):
They've got some tough decisions to make. This roster has
gotten old. They've let it get old.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
They did.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
What side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
It's all on not not the offensive side.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
But the office doesn't have the playmakers. Okay is going
to be gone because they they did and they redid
Andrews Bateman. I don't know, I don't know what I like.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
I like bab.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I mean what you think about this? What you what?
Speaker 1 (54:39):
What?
Speaker 3 (54:39):
What are you looking for?
Speaker 4 (54:40):
Based on the type of offense that they run, Baban
is not going to be your Jamar Chasey justin Jefferson
putting up those type of numbers because they don't use
him in that manner. They don't use him in that fashion.
You know, when the opportunity to do present themselves, he
makes the plays. So it's kind of hard for him
basing the off based on the offense that he's in.
He doesn't get the volume of hargets that other receivers get.
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Where he gets the showcase what he can do. Now
that that's not that's not show.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Oh Joe. Here's the stats. New England no catches, Pittsburgh
two catches, Cincinnati no catches, Minnesota one catch, Miami two catches,
Chicago two catches, l A one catch, Houston no catch,
Casey one catch, Detroit five catches Cleveland, two catches Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
I mean, I just, I just I just explained it
to you perfectly. I just, I just I just said it. Baby,
I said I can't, I can't put it no, no
better than I just did. He can only do what's
asked of him. You know, you can't produce unless you
have opportunity.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
And and and they, I mean they got more, got
more fumbles than touchdown.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
That's not a good stat o, Joe, that's not mhm.
The man got more fun.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
They having a down here. They're having a down here, baby,
They having But I'll.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Tell you what if the if, the if the ring
listen you know how you know I love my Raven fans.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
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center bent. But first, the game that you just watched,
the Broncos a one step closer to winning the AFC
West and clinching the number one overall seed if will
win tonight. If the Chargers were to lose at the Texans,
they would be the number one seed.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But that remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
But the Broncos win tonight twenty to thirteen over the
Kansas City Chiefs bow knicks twenty five and thirty eight
one eight two, one touchdown, one reception. He was also
sacked once. They had thirty two carries above twenty eight,
twenty six pass attempts completion excuse me, one eighty two
and one touchdown. Kansas City olidacun had was thirteen or
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twenty two for sixty six yards. They ran the ball
for eighty two yards, so bear barely less than one
hundred and fifty yards the total offense.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Tonight OCHR the Broncos like, look, we don't believe they
can move the ball up and down the field on us.
Let's not do anything careless. Let's not get reckless with
the football. They were very very conservative, very very generic,
and the play selection in which they ran and they
were able to scape a division arrival without one of
the best quarterbacks in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes down to
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the starting corners. The Kansas City's defense and the starting
offensive line was in shambles. But I thought they did
a great job against the number one sack team in
the NFL. They only gave up one sack and he
did a great job of getting out of harm's way.
Ocho watching this ball game, what did you like about
what you saw from the Broncos And what did I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I didn't like the fact that they played down to
the competition. I would have loved for I would have
loved for Sean Payton to be a little bit more aggressive,
obviously trusting bot Nicks. To me, it almost seemed with
the way the play Carling was to night and knowing
that they're down and don't have Patrick Mahomes at the helm,
let's take advantage of this situation. Then take advantage of
them being that they don't have Patrick Mahomes, and let's
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put the pedal to the medal.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Let's be aggressive.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Let's allow bow Knicks to put up those type of
stat lines he put up.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The past two previous weeks and didn't looked like that tonight.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Tonight, it looked like the Bronco played down to their competition.
I mean, that's what it looked like to me. I'm
not sure what the problem was. At some point, they're
gonna have to let bow Knicks off that lead. They
gotta let him off. They got gotta let him off
that LEAs especially once you get to the playoffs. I
know you want your defense to be able to carry
you through the way, but your quarterback, your quarterback is
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going to have to come through for you at some point.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They did win, though I got There's nothing I gonna
say they did.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They won. They won, but you don't accept anything.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And to win, you wouldn't one the loss and ad
you lost this game, you'd have been very disappointing your performance.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And I love the Broncos. I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I don't make any you know, bones about that, and
there's nothing to be ashamed of. But for me right now,
looking at this team over the last three weeks, I
think they're closer to being one and done than they
are winning a playoff game, because in the playoffs, a
team can grab the momentum and you will find yourself
down fourteen to seventeen points in the blak of an eye,
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in the blink of an eye, and and and I
see some things that's concerning for me, and I've watched it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Look, you can't listen.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
If you got Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, you can
keep winning these one score games in the regular season
and it'll translate into postseason because they've been there and
they've done that. You're talking to a quarterback that's never
been there and done that, and the game got out
of hands last year against Buffalo, so he don't know
what it's like to be in the one a nipp
and tuck ball game. Come postseason. You think the the
(06:41):
the pressure is immensing. The regular season, you times that
because it's it's finality. You lose that game, you're going home.
See you lost last week against Jacksonville. Guess what you
played Thursday night? And the playoff there is none of that.
And so that's concerning to me because I see some
things consistently, and sometimes Sean Paygne, I don't get. I
don't get why all of a sudden he's a situation
(07:04):
that moving the ball good and then he gets the
bright idea, you know what, let me let me show
my genius, and he just tried something off the cup
that really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
The defense was the defense tonight. I thought they would
get after him a little bit more than what they did.
I thought they was very conservative. They didn't bring pressure, Ojo.
They just played a lot of base defense and just
slopped back.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
They could know what they knew. They had nothing to
worry about. Patrick Mahone wasn't there, so you know what,
it's really no need to do that. And obviously the
backup quarterback, the backup quarterback a little old ducon. Yeah, yeah,
he got legs. Huh, he got legs. Now, you bring
pressure if you want to. When he come by that backside.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
On, you can hurt you. So I mean, I mean
what they did, they had a great game playing defensively.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
If you don't mind me asking, Ojo, when people attacked
the raven, when people attacked or Josh Allen, what did
they do they.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Sit back there and play or do they got damn pressure?
Bright because I wouldn't make it this Sion right now.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You want to speed it up, you want to speed
it out.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Okay, I'm with you when you're right, But they didn't
see him as a threat.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
They didn't see him as a.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Threat, which is why they which is why they played
the game, played the game the way they did.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
We can sit back here. We can sit back here
and just play ball. I ain't gotta do nothing extra,
I gotta do nothing exotic. I'm just calling a defense, y'all. Boy,
do what y'all do?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I agree with you. I just think that the last
thing is, I'm not so sure that last played the
Hollywood Brown. Look, he couldn't set his feet. The ball
selled on him and got a little high. But for
it to come down to a throw at the end
of the game, and when you're down, they're down their
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starting quarterback, the MVP quarterback, they're down that offensive line,
they're down too, starting corners. And all you can muster
was twenty points. And I understand it's a rivalry game.
I understand it's on the road, but there's a chance
you don't get home field and you're on the road.
So then what And every team that your face is
better than Kansas City is right now, every team, whether
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it's the Texans, whether it's the Chargers, whether it's the Jags,
whether it's the Patriots, I don't care who you're going
to face come postseason. Everybody, because of their quarterback situation
and because of their defense is banged up and their
offensive line is banged up. I don't know. I just want.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I just want.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
The thing that I know is that when you're playing
your best football heading into the playoffs, that normally bodes.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well for you come plus season. Definitely you want to
be hitting on y'all.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Obviously, it takes for the goddamn head coach to have
goddamn trusting confidence in this quarterback to be able to
make the right decision with the ball, And that opens
up the playbook. That opens up the playbook, and we
can tell those who watch the game and those who
play the game, they can tell when the head coach
trusting his quarterback by the goddamn play calling.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You drinking over there, huh?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Usually by cool? I got a little cooler.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's a cooler.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Hey where you got a little bited cooler from where?
That whoat? Ain't got no big I'm not saying I
I don't want one. I ain't never seen no cooler
that god damn small.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But I ain't never seen nothing but small either, but
it's for Christmas. Mm hmm. That cool refreshing drink.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay, what kind of what kind of drinks? What you're
drinking in?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Now?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
That that what what your krimmler krim? You you drink?
I mean you drink? I mean you hey, I know
what it is. That's a little egg nog in now.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Huh ain't no, ain't no egg ain't no eggs. A
little something, little something look, okay, okay, let me show y'all.
Little cocote working on.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Okay, Oh you got, oh you got something new coming out?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
A little caction you don't pull a little up in there.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Okay, oh you got Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
What's the chaser? What's the chaser? You know I don't drink,
but I know about the chaser. What you use as
your chaser?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
A little ginger real?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Okay, so ginger rell and look potier. Okay, yeah, man,
y'all try you know what you need to do, and
you need I know it's crivins. So you you might
want to pop one of them, pop one of them sparks.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Huh man o cho, I'll be like Superman.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Lad.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
The better I kn't I can't eve laid out of
the stomach in the bed. If I pop watermel, the
last thing I want to do is Superman.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Hey you got that, you got that. You got to
go out to New Year. You got to go out
the right way. Now, we only got a few on
the New Year.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh, I about like.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Heat the New Year all be twenty six. You know
what I'm saying. My probation officer say, I've been doing good,
he said, I ain't been.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I ain't.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I ain't went too far he said at that time
with oh Choe. He said that was pretty funny. But
but other than that, yeah, you think good. So we're
gonna we might have to move your date up a
little bit. I said, Okay, I stually appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, we can move it up.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
We can.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Dad, we get damn we got damned, So move it up. Listen,
we only got a boy. How many days left.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
In the New year? What six?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
The day that we only got s We're good?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Hey, you might will start you might will warm it
up right now?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, well we only got six. Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, look, it was it's a quick I'm not
making excuses, but it's a fan turnaround. First of all,
this Christmas, you just played Sunday, your little sore. A
lot of people probably want to you know, want to
be with their family and you know, got kids and
want to open present, especially if you're the road team.
(12:33):
You're the road team and you're playing the last game
of the evening. So not only because like at least
the Cowboys or Detroit, they're gonna get back in time
in order to do something. Man, the Bronco not gonna
get back to Well, it's two hours different from the times,
so it's one hour difference. So at seven they might
get back now. So hour you leave the stadium of
the hour, take your hour to take off. It'll take
(12:54):
you about an hour and a half to get there,
so it's gonna be probably about midnight, maybe one o'clock.
If everything, if everything was according to playing but uh,
look it's tough playing Divisions game. Kansas City is not
an easy place to play. But you couldn't ask for
better conditions. You could not have asked for better conditions
this time. But you're for Kansas City. Nobody had on sleeves,
nobody because it was it was so warm. You like, damn,
(13:19):
I'm like, damn, I remember going to Kansas City in
December and I ain't get no weather like that. Hell,
I've remember going in November and not getting weather like that.
So the weather was perfect. But a part of me
can't understand what Sean Payton was thinking. He was like,
look this team. Unless we do something crazy, we give
him a pick six, we give them a Scooper score,
and that's how they scored. If we don't, if we
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don't turn the ball over, they can't beat us. So
if we make them run the field, uh, if we
excuse me, if we make them go the length of
the bill and not give them short fields, don't give
them pick sixty, don't give them Scooper scores. Don't do
what Detroit did. They saw what Detroit did earlier. Oh, Joe,
six turnovers. That's how you get beat That's how you
get eliminated from the plow the playoffs. We saw this
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with Detroit last year against Washington in the division round.
They had five turnovers. Jered go Jerry Golf had to day.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I mean he he he.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Uh. He missed the fans today. But the Broncos look,
bow knicks twenty six and one touchdown, one interception, nothing
to write home about. There was nothing really the right
home about I kind of feel bad for the fans
that stayed up and kind of watched this game because
what they were hoping for. I thought Courtland Sudden had
a couple of plays on his hand that he let
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get away from him. He look, that first one, you're
a pro Bowl receiver, you probably should come down. But
that's okay. I'm gonna forgive that. But that down, No, No,
the first one on third down that he told out
both Nicks stepped up in the pocket. I kind of
forgive that one because he tried, he dolled for it,
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and he didn't get a chance to bring it in.
So what in the prop says by the time he
got that and it hit the ground and popped out. But
that toun it down. You gotta have that. You gotta you,
definitely you gotta have that because you give away drag
right that got up.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yes, yes, both put some heat on that one.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yes, he's gonna have to He's gonna have to learn
some touch ojoe everything everything.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You can't be throwing through a hurricane, have some touch,
have some touch.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But look, I mean, kensa city couldn't have any more
worse look than with they had. Your starter gets hurt,
your backup gets hurt. Uh, you're down your two starting corners,
you're down your right tackles.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Uh, you're right.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I mean, I don't know if Tree, I don't know
if if Trey Smith played. So probably the only really
started that's in there is probably your left guard and
your center. But they battled. They'll be back next year,
the Broncos. Uh, I'm sure. Sean Page like, hey, we
won the ball game. It was a short week. Congratulations,
Now we get you know, you get some time off.
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Tomorrow's Friday, so you probably get Friday. They probably get
the rest of the week off. For Joe, probably get Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
I see, you guys might listen. You might as well.
You might as well.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Look we in week seventeen. Week seventeen. Huh yeah, man,
you know everybody's in rhythm. Allowed them boys to rest up, recover,
spend time with the families, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I mean we just played Sunday.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
We came right to return, right around, turned right back
around and played Thursday. I mean we played Thursday, didn't
turn right back around and played Sunday.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Y'all go ahead, y'all. Get had a chill for.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Their one win away. Look, the Broncos inch closer. All
they need now is for the Chargers to lose. If
the Chargers don't lose, the Chargers play the Broncos the
final game of the final regular season game.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh joe.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
If the Chargers beat the Broncos and beat the Houston Texans,
they win the NF the AFC. Uh well, and they're
trying to Look, they're trying to do everything they can
to hold on to that number one seed because New England,
New England's in position to get it and and Jacksonville
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is in position to get the number one seed. So
this is a very important This is a very important
game for the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
We'll see what happens this weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
They get an opportunity to sit back and relax and says, Okay,
we've already taken care of our business. Let's see what
happens this weekend, and they'll know what they're definitely what
they need to do come weekend and next weekend and
see if they can clinch that number one seed and
the AFC West Division title.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
But so the Broncos are thirteen and three.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh show, the New England pages are twelve and three,
Jacksonville's eleven and four, the Steelers are nine and six.
That is your division leaders as we currently speak. The
Chargers are eleven and four, Buffalo is eleven and four,
and the Houston Texas are ten and five. So that's
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those are your wild cards as we currently speak.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Obviously the number one seed, the one seed, two see
three seeds. All that can fluctuate. All that can fluctuate.
But as we sit right now, the Broncos are the
number one seed at thirteen and three, The Patriots are
the number two seed at twelve and three, Jacksonville the
number three seed at eleven and four, and the Pittsburgh
Steelers are round out the top the division winners, division
leaders at nine and six. So there's gonna be a
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lot of people scoreboard watching on Sunday. Oh you know
how it goes like, oh, okay, we're here, let's see
what they.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Do scoreboard the whole game.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You gonna be cheered. You gonna be cheering for teams
that you normally hate. Like, I don't know why I
got a cheer for you guys, but come on.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You hate you hate being in that position where you
have to rely on someone else for your destiny.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's one of the worst feelings in the world, right
it is.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
The Lions playoff chances ended with a twenty three ten
lost to the Vikes.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The Lions ended the season with the fifth best odds
to make the playoffs, but now drop four of the
past five. Golf was sacked five times the Vikings defense
first forced coals by him, two interceptions, three fumbles. Again,
Golf had remember in the divisional game against the Washingtonians,
he had five, he had five today and Jamier Gibbs fumbling.
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Uh so they had six turnovers entering tonight. Oh Joe,
They only had turned the ball over eight season, the
fewest in the NFL. With the loss, Detroit has now
lost more than the previous two seasons combined. And Dan
Campbell won't run away from retooling the roster in the
offseason wherever it's necessary. But the Hey, I think we
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need to talk about something. We need to have a
real conversation. Who started calling the plays? Who took over
the play calling on Joe Campbell. Ain't nobody want to
talk about that because they won the first time he
took over, and everybody will talking about whoa yeah, Yeah, okay, okay,
let's let's let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Look good, young, I'm trying to see when it comes
to the play calling, I'm trying to talk about the
running game. What happened to the guy damn running game
at Jamiir Gibb was on fire week the week I'm
talking about, back to back weeks, he was putting up
crazy numbers, hitting his head.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Off the gold post from from way out there in
the field. Then all of a sudden, on the past
what four five weeks.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
The running game has been abusinessmal it's it's somewhat disappeared.
I'm not sure what's going on with the goddamn offensive line.
What the hell is wrong with the goddamn center. He
forgot how to snap the goddamn ball.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, and your left tackle.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You got Skipper uh playing at loft tackle when really
he's a swing He's a swing lineman. He comes in
on Joe. He always rubbed himself, letting the officials know
that he's in eligible.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
He's not a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Unfortunately, oh Joe, they sul he's your best office lineman.
He might have to you might have to kick him
to the left. You got to you wasted him on
the right sine.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You have to listen. He's a Swiss Army knife ONNK.
He can do just about.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
He can play right guard, right tackle, left left guard,
left tackle.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
He can do it all. He's that good at what
he does. And the fact that a god damn Brossmer
was nine for sixteen for fifty one fifty one yards.
Nine for sixteen for fifty one yards. This ain't this,
ain't Pop Warner. This is the NFL game. This is
a chat.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
This is an NFL game. The stats for a starting quarterback.
He's a backup, but he was starting tonight in a
real game, in a real game where you got one
of the top three receivers in the NFL on your
team in Justin Jefferson. Huh, with another great duo right
alongside him in Jordan Addison. Like, is the quarterback play
that bad? Is there a development problem when it comes
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to quarterbacks in the NFL for you to have one
of the I'm about with your eyes.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Closed, I can get the ball to goddamn Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
What are we talking about? He got to be frustrated.
I know a lot of people be like, oh, he's
not like that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
He's not into drama.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Oh he's not a diva. The hell you say? Man,
y'all better wake up man the man. The man wants
to produce. He wants to be able to, you know,
help his team even win. Justin Jefferson had Foe catches.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
For thirty yards. He can catch four balls for thirty
yards walking to his car with me.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Come on, man, well that that that's not his fault.
That's the organization fault. Everybody don't know how to build
a team.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
The quarterback carousels the inconsistently act quarterback with the starter,
the starter who continues to keep getting hurt.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
There's always something else, something else going wrong with.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Him, with hell or The more and more the season
goes on, the more they should be kicking themselves about
letting Sam Donald walk out That almost curse, but.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Ain't gonna curse.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
They should.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They should be kicking the boy letting Sam Donald walk
out there, goddamn though.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
They absolutely should, don't. Joe and being cheap, I mean,
think about what they paid him. I think see paid
him thirty million dollars, maybe thirty three million dollars a year.
Games of incentives can bump it up to thirty five forty.
The guy run fourteen for you last year. So you're
gonna go with an unproven guy, and I look, I
get it. We took JJ McCarthy. I had my concerns
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about McCarthy because they're a running team. Now, the likelihood
of you coming into the NFL, you're gonna have to
throw your way to a championship. You're not running your
way to a championship. Look at all the running quarterbacks.
Name me one that's won the championship running the football.
Steve Young had to figure out how to throw it
from the pocket. My guy number seven had to throw
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from the pocket. Lamar Jackson's won the MVPs because he's
gotten better throwing from the pocket.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
You've got to throw from the pocket, and so it
can it set up?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
My I was like, hold on, y'all taking a guy
in his high and all he did was basically turn
around and hand the ball off the charpio and carm
and y'all think that's the guy that's gonna takeh y'all
got Jella, and y'all got all these high powered weapons,
and y'all feel comfortable with that. Okay, y'all know more
than me. Y'all's got it in the more than I did. Okay,
I get it, but he stayed, he got injured, he
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missed his entire year. How many times there's been nicked
this year and had to sit out? There's a recurrent theme.
Now your backup Carson Wentz he got hurt. No hey,
no surprise there. He's always getting hurt. And now you
got a guy that's kind of bounced around, and I
don't know what you expected to get out of nine
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to sixteen for fifty one yards.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
He was sacked seven times.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But if look, I think it's only fair that Dan
cam Will gives some criticism because we applaud him when
he goes for it on fourth down. We applaud him
for having this team ready to play. All I know
is this Brian Floyd is going to be getting some
serious consideration because look at the job that he's done
against the Detroit Lions and back to back week Now,
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imagine if you had a quarterback we back it up
that that could get backed up by that defense. Yeah,
you got a Dallas Turner, you got Bang Ginkle. Oh,
that defense is legit. Harrison Smith is still playing at
the top of this game, absolutely, Murphy Jr. Just imagine
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if you had an offense that can put them in
a depth that could put you in a deficit more
times than not, instead of you playing from a deficit
because they know, look guys, we fall behind.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Man, there's a good chat. We don't lose, and we
got an offense that can go get more.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
The funny thing about it, when you think about it,
they got the offense. They just missing one piece. They
missing the centerpiece. They missing the most important piece. They
missing the one that makes the most money. For a
goddamn reason, the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yes, that's all. That's all.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
That's all they're missing. That's why you understand. Quarterbacks don't
come around that often.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
They're very hard.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
They're very, very extremely hard to find. For those in
the chat that have been watching the game of football
for a very long time, you understand by watching and
understanding maybe your team might not have a quarterback and
haven't had one for years, you understand how hard they
are to come. So when you get one and you
get a small symbicize of what he can do. With
Sam Donald shorty last year, you don't let him walk
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out the door because you just because you drafted somebody
in with a ten pick in the first round.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Not at that price.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So Joe, not at the price that Now, if you
had to pay him fifty that's different. That's different. Oh Joe,
you got him for thirty million and plus a couple
of incentives. Okay, you take us back to you win
the division, we'll give you another million dollars. You make
the Pro Bowl, I give you another million dollars. You
play sixty five seventy percent of the snaps, I give
you another million dollars.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'll incentivize it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So he can get the forty million. So he feels
good about himself. Obviously, he like man, I won fourteen
games last year. The team is back. I still got Jedal,
I still got Adison, I got Hokinson, I got Jones
in the backfield. I'm good the offensive lize a little
beat up there we coming and going, but hey, I'm
good with that. Played behind it last year. I can
do it again this year. I don't I don't know
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what they were thinking. Quarterbacks don't grow on trees, not
good ones. I mean it looks ojo grass. I mean
you can find vines and stuff and let zoo. They
spread like, Wow, I find it, but really quality stuff
you don't find often.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And when you get a quarterback and you've.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Seen his body of work, so you know his study habits,
you know his practice habit, you know how he performs
in game situation.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I don't know what more you need.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
You don't know what JJ McCarthy habits are come game
time because he hasn't been in one, not a real game. Okay,
his study habits, he heard, What else can he do?
I think they dropped the ball on this, Ojo. Considering
what's in that division. You look at what's in that division.
Caleb Williams not going anywhere, Jordan Love's not going anywhere.
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Jared goff It has another three four years not going anywhere.
You're behind your defense rivals, all of them. But where
you lack, here's your quarterback. That's the most important thing.
It So that's what needs to be oh yo, end
of this game. Jetta pass random offs eight th three
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hundred and seventy five yards for the most receiving yards
by a player in his first six NFL seasons. Well,
he gonna probably be upstairs say hey, man, I need
y'all to go get me a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Because he could have passed it because I'm struggling.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Oh yo, this man struggle. Let me come on now,
O yo. Seventeen games, seventeen a receiver getting the thousand yards.
It ain't nothing, that's basically oh ohcha, The're basically sixty
two yards a game. And I'm paying thirty five million
for sixty two yards a game. O Joe, No, And
that's not his fault. Ain't nothing he could do about
that because he can't throw it to him. Damnself, you right,
because but you know what's gonna Oh yo, you know
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what it is? Hey, hey man, you know a w
I know it's not all your fault.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Ain't none of it. You be all my fault ain't.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
None of you know, you know the game. And then
listen what I do like about what I like about
Jetta's jetted.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
He pure class? Huh he pure class.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You know, he say all the right things. You put
that camera in front of and be asking him right question.
He gonna give you what you want. He gonna give
you everything you want. But I know how you really feel.
You can tell it in menerism. You can tell by
how you walk. You can see it in his eyes.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You know, but but he hold him back.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
So I'm hoping management does their due diligence and addressing
the situation and getting young buller quarterback because he's on
a historic run. He's on a historic run and gonna
go down to one of the best they ever played.
His mother almost cursed again. He's gonna go down as
one of the best they ever played this game and
accomplished stuff in such a short amount of time that
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not very many have done before. And him not having
a quarterback and adequate quarterback is hurting.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's hurting.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It absolutely is hurting him, Ojo. And the thing is,
like you said, there was his historic numbers, and you
look at what he man. This man missed down there
half a season, came back, got over a thousand yard
and made the Pro Bowl. Now he says, I played
a fool seat And you mean to tell me I
got the struggle. I got to go into the last
game to get a thousand yards and y'all a put
up his numbers. What does he have right now? They
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might have to force feed him to get a thousand. Oh, Joe,
you might win out. You got are you muted?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah? I mean hold on, I thought he was at
a thousand already.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I don't know. Uh, hold on that far behind.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He gonna need he need to go in the next
week and go crazy. Nah, he don't need to go crazy.
He got nine forty seven. He's fifty three yards shot.
He had forty tonight. So it's not out of the rail.
But pop, okay, Joe. Is JJ McCarthy coming back next week?
If JJ McCarthy coming back.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
No, he fractured. He fractured the bone in the throwing hand.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I don't give a fuck nick wrap that bitch up.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Come on back, Hey, come on, come on man like
I mean, well brossmer, I mean, listen, fifty yards they
can get they can get it fifty He got to
get that thousand yards.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
He has to do team, he has to do that
thousand yards. I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I'm sure the Vikers organization, the play caller, head coach,
they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Make sure he does get it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
To keep that historic pace and what he's done since
he's ended the NFL, keep it going. And I have
one question I want to ask you about the Detroit
Lions chat. You guys chat, you guys to chime into.
Do we give Dan Campbell any kind of grace? Do
we give him some grace? I know, we love his bravado.
We love the fact that he's very confident in his players,
his team, especially offensive, because he's one of the few coaches,
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regardless of analytics, regardless of what anybody says, he always
goes for it on fourth down. But do we give
him any grace even though this is a fail season,
right because of the injuries he's had on defense this year.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, they had those injuries last year and they still
did it. I mean, you kick, you take the points early,
and last week you're kicking them. You're kicking the ball
to win the game in Pittsburgh against Pittsburgh at home.
His play calling have left something that be the I mean,
(32:22):
let's let's just call it what it is. I mean,
he took over the play calling, and since he's taken
over the play calling, they've lost for.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The last five games.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Because we show gave him credit, we show lauded him
when they won and he started to call it take
it over the plays and he let it be known
that he was taking over the play calling.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So no, we don't. We don't do no excuses here. Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Aiden Hutchison is ben Aiden, Hutchison, Jack Campbell was all
over the field today. Uh, Muhammad doing what Muhammad does
all over the field today.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
The defense didn't play bad, bro, It's hard to overcome six.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
You're absolutely right, and please tell me listen, I hate
to go back. I want to talk about one play
with with Hutchison. Please tell me you saw him to
do that step spin.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Oh if you had any doubt, if it's if it's that,
that lage was empty.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah and quick that night.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
That was night.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
And he got a nice little bag on He got
a nice little tool box on him, nice little box,
mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And then he got Muhammad on the other side. Mohammed
flushing one side. Ay, it's like it's like a hunting,
you know, the pointers go in there and flush them
the game out.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I picked him off. Okay, you flush him to the left.
I got it. You flush him to the right, I
got it. We worked with that.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Hey, y'all, collaf the pocket inside so he can't step up.
He gotta come he gotta come up. Look here, oh, Joe,
I'm all the holes. He gotta come out of one
of these two holes. Now, Hey, I got Mohamed plug
in one and I got some plugging, the other he
got nowhere to go. Look, he got the most yard
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for the first six years.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I don't know. I don't know how much you long
have it because Chase right behind him.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, you know what I mean, those two are gonna
be neck and neck throughout their entire career.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Well, I think Cha's gonna pass it because Chase got
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I don't know how long Chase gonna if he wants
to stay in whatever, that's a that's a discussion for
another day.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But as long as he has him, he has a
decided thing.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You got to be cared. You got to be careful
because look what you just said, he has a quarterback. Now,
there's only so many teams now that have quarterbacks of
that magnitude where you can leave one team to go
to the next, and that that that production continues to
remain the same.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It ain't that easy, right And you see think about it.
Look at what.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, you say, whatever you want to say, But first cousin,
you protect him.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
He picked you apart surgical.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And last year he get he get he had no
drop off because Sam Donald came in and played extremely well,
So he had no drop off from Cousins to Donald
and then he gets JJ McCarthy, he gets uh Wins,
and he gets Baltimore and you see a particular precipitous.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Drop that that's that's so it hurts me, and I'm
just watching.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
It hurts me too. But I don't really know where,
I don't really know what. I don't really know what
else we can do, Ojoe, I don't know what else
we can do. Just hope keep his head up, because
you look, we've both been in situations like that, you
more so than me, being a wide receiver and having
a level of expectation and playing to a certain standard.
And then because people don't really care about the quarterback
situation now, all they want to see they see Ocho
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sink on the back of that jersey eighty five, while
I see no dancing. Why I don't see no some
breather on the sideline? Why I don't see no? I
don't see no. I don't see no jokes anymore. I
don't see no antiques. I don't see none of that.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
What's going on? I remember, you see what's going on?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I remember them days. I remember the days.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So the Dallas Cowboys beat the Washington Commanders by the
score thirty to twenty three. The Cowboys had seventeen first
downs in the first half, while the Commodores Commodore's the
commander rd eighteen players. Lot of Richie would be from
me the Commanders the Commander's Oh Joe. Cowboys had seventeen
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first down The Commanders ran eighteen total plays, yet the
game ended in the one score game. Dak Prescott nineteen
to thirty seven, three oh seven, two touchdowns, zero intercepsion,
but he was sacked six times. Malik Davis ran the
ball twenty carries one hundred and three yards. Javonte William
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thirteen carries fifty four yards. Hunter lupeck Uh seven for.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Thirty and then Dyk had four for twenty four, forty
four carries for two. O leven.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Uh Gabonte Turpin old Post one catch eighty six yards
a touchdown. Pick was reliable, didn't get a whole lot
of opportunities, but he was four for seventy eight. Ceed
Lamb was five for forty six. Josh Johnson was fifteen
or twenty three one ninety eight no touchdowns. Jaquori Costa
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Barrett eleven carries one hundred and five yards.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Debo had two. So they had sixteen carries, oh Jo,
sixteen carries for one hundred and thirty eight yards.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So this is why people ASKI, man, I don't know
how the Cowboys missed the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
The Cowboys got a four thousand.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yard rush, a passer, two thousand yard receivers, a thousand
yard rusher, and they can hope to be five hundred
because the d When you got a defense that does
stuff like this, they won't tackle.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
They won't tackle.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
They need Look, they need to get linebackers, they need
to get middle backers. Those they got the guy from Cincinnati.
I'm sorry, O Joe. There's a reason. Think about it.
You think Cincinnati gonna let.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Go, No, sir, they had he had you listen Murray, Yeah,
younger players in front of him that were better.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
That's all it was. They gotta they got it. They
gotta mold on them.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
They they sideline the sideline, they faster, They little better
than coverage. There's so many factors that go in to
play when they let when they let certain people go, Okay,
you don't fit the system anymore. You don't fit the
system in what we like to do. Probably see a
good player. You probably still to the player in the
right situation. It just wasn't a good fit there. They need,
(38:47):
they need, think the Cowboys. I'm not a GM, I'm
not a scout, but I understand football. I've been I've
been watching it long enough. I've been I mean, I
played it long enough. I've played it all my life.
You know, the Cowboys they need a difference make up
humph on that line.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
You get you one. All you need is one chat.
You just need one. Get your difference make on.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
That line in huh, and get you something in that
on that back end, on that third level. Come on,
now we can come to the party. You ain't even
gotta bring your own drink. They gonna let you in.
Get you in, and get you somebody on that third level. Man,
I ain't talk about to just know anybody. Somebody DCEs,
some somebody of quality, high quality.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You're gonna be all right, cap.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
O cho cowboy fan. Let's be real. Since d ron
Bland got paid, he still balling.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
He heard that's not.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Fair that man? Was that what you mean?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He might have been hurt today, but I'm talking about
leading up this year Trayvon Diggs, he's injured. He hadn't
been the same. He had a great year and you
heard you heard Jerry talk about it. Jerry says sometimes
he likes to get outside of the scheme. Okay, you
can get outside of the scheme. But if you get
outside of the scheme, what much you do?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
O Joe? You gotta make plays. See, he's a feast
of famine corner get you.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
But he's gonna like to And why while you're on
the top of the digs, Like when I think about
DB's in the NFL, and this goes for all of
them because you have to understand, if you make one mistake,
if you at a position, it's a touchdown every time. Yes,
that's that's that's how that's how the NFL works. But
what I like about DB's and this goes.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
For every single one.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Ninety percent of the dbs they play this game not
to get beat. There's five percent that play to make
a play. There's a difference in the two and it's
only it's only two categories. You plan not to get beat.
In the other five percent, they plan to make a play.
(40:54):
Trayvon Diggs is in that five percent. Now sometimes Uh,
they're gonna get him. But the other times he turned
that ball over and it's going the other way most
of the time.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
For six.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I think.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The problem is is that you gotta know what because
you got a bass, right toget the situation and you
go for it and you let's just say you tie
the top six. That's what's gonna happen. And we're gonna
talk about this a little later. I think Quiney Williams phenomenal.
(41:34):
Twenty millions that deserve to go to the Pro Bowl.
He didn't you.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Said he did, know he did.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
He did not earn the right he's going.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Hey, him going to the Pro Bowl is a carryover
for what he was doing with the Jets.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Nothing nothing, nothing, nothing nothing. Let's be real.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
I don't got listen, I don't have his numbers in
front of me. I don't have his numbers in front
of me. So I'm not sure what he was doing.
But he went to the Pro Bow for a reason.
You gotta understand, it's the players that vote on that.
So the player sees something in Quinn Williams based on
what he was doing with the Jets, as bad as
they were, he came over here in the trade to
the Cowboys, and they.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Still voted me in. So they voted him in for
a reason.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
He got to be doing something. He making some kind
of noise in them trenches. I don't be in the trenches, hunk.
My last time in the trenches was back in nineteen
eighty three out here in Liberty City. Now, them trenches
on that football field, between them white lines, I don't
really I don't really play in them. I don't play
in them, but I know Quinn Williams like that.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Oh me, can I interest you for two and a
half cents?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Take your time? Wait a minute, hold on, hold on,
hold on, he's the run stop for that. He's not
Aaron Donald's.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Need not No, no, Jaredsey no, no, no, no, no,
no so so so hold on, I'm trying to find
so what.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
No, No, he's not playing to be run stopper. Jared
say he can get after the quarterback. No, Jerry lying that.
Jerry labed through his teeth.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yes he did not.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
In twenty twenty, hold on, this is what your run stopper,
you say, Yeah, run stopper. In twenty twenty, he had
seven sacks in twenty twenty one, he had six sacks.
In twenty twenty two, he had twelve sacks. In twenty
thirty three, he had five and a half sacks. Last
year he had six sacks. So you will you you
want to take that back.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Talk to me, Take take your time, take a time.
He's a deep.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
He got two and a half sacks.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Damn. Hey, he had it down here. Yes, you're right,
you're right, you're right.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Hey, probably probably uh the Jett situation probably take an
emotional toll on him.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Hey, he's a a he nice though, he nice, he nice. Listen,
I know this season has been up and down.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I've seen him be nice. I'm just saying he wasn't.
Oh jo And see that's the thing. This is the
part that I hate about the Pro Bowl because I've
been there before. We don't get about let lets we're
talking about this. We'll come back to this, We'll come
back to this. Uh the Cowboys, Look, dak is gonna
have a end up with a phenomenal season. They're gonna
do and see if they play him tomorrow. Oh Joe,
(44:24):
that man got hit six. That man got sacked six
times six and he got he got bien a couple
of times. Like, whoa, damn, damn dad. Oh, I gotta
be careful. So they're gonna wait, they're gonna they're gonna
look at this because the last thing you want to do.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Oh, you're not going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And I know Dak wants to play, but do I
want him to play behind this offensive line?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Y'all asking me how many tackles he got seventeen on
the season. I'm just going about with his stats, say
regular seasons, saying he got.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
He got more than seventeen seventeen tackles on the season.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Hold on, and you got to understand too, unk that
young bull taking on that double team now too, brack.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Oh Joe, oh, Choe, I'm paying you twenty men. So,
so what's Jefferson? What? What's what's Brown from Carolina doing?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
What's Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter nor Quinny Williams earned the
right to go to the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh with Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis is outplaying?
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yes, Jordan Davis has been phenomenal this year. Yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
No, I'm a I'm a I'm a two, I'm a
I'm a TV watcher and I know what a defensive
tackle is.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I played the game long enough, and I watched the
game closely enough. You don't know a three technique, a
five technique of seven, a wide nine, a cowboy.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
You don't know any of that. That's me.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
You don't know what the shade. You don't know what
the undertackle is. Y'all just talking, y'all know, y'all, watch
the stat line. I can tell you when he's in
the shade, when he's in a pre tech, A five
or seven, A hard knight, a wide night, a cowboy.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I know all.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I know when they playing cover five, cover six quarters
Tampa two cloud.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Y'all, yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Y'all, y'all testing your football knowledge against the wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Wrong with y'all. With that being said.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Jordan Davis from the Philadelphia Eagles, I think you about it, oh, y'all.
Jemen Carter miss the laughter. Jeorge Davis got more sacks,
more tackles than both of them. As a matter of fact,
he got more sacks than both of those guys combined.
(46:55):
I'm not saying they're not phenomenal players.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
They just they this year.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
This, this, this is the year.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
See, oh, Joe, this is what I say, it's got
Pro Bowl can't be a lifetime achievement a thing.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's gotta be year to year.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Did you play well enough this year to earn the
right to go to the Pro Bowl. Let's be real, chat,
let's be put all the things aside. Do y'all believe
Jordan Do y'all believe?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Uhh?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Jalen Carter and Quinny Williams had a better season than
Jordan Davis. Yeah, go back and watch the tape. Since
y'all say y'all watched it, Watch the tape and you
tell me if Quinny Williams and and Jalen Carter had
a better season than Jordan Davis, I can fight you.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Sure good.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Hey, you got that. You you got that licking your
system work. You gotta lick in your system.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
But I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell the truth. I
will really tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Now, go ahead and let it rip. Now, go ahead
and let it rip.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Be good because you know what they say, Oh Joe, drunk,
angry people and kids.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
So I ain't got no troit.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Let it out, let it out to night. We ain't
got none but time.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I'm just saying, just go go back and watch the tape.
Forget the stats. Go back and watch and you'll see
who making plays for the Eagles in the d tackles.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Is it Jalen Carter or is the Jordan Davis.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Go back and watch Quinn Williams tape, and go back
and watch Jordan Davis's tape.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
It ain't close. It's not close, oh Jo.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Tensions are reportedly heating up between the Lamar Jackson and
the Ravens front offense, Cheering on the edge of making
or missing the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
The Baltimore Ravens are possibly playing a.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Crucial Week seventeen game without Lamar, who's dealing with a
back injury that he's sustained. In Week sixteen, Baltimore columnists
Mike Preston published a piece detailing a level of friction
between the organization, in particular Lamar's conditioning and his handful
of injuries this season and length the return from each.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Each of them. Preston also.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Position the idea that the Ravens should look at every
option with Lamar this off season, adding that Lamar would
love to play in Miami, and Rappaport reported, well, where
this goes, it doesn't feel like to me, there's a
little bit of inflection point. Lamar had the opportunity to
re up this contract before the off season at the time,
and a lot of people thought that he would did
(49:29):
not happen. The Ravens are at very least have some
things to figure out about and some relationships to discuss
in the off season. I'm not saying there's anything that's
going to blow up, but at least there need to
be some conversation about how everything how everyone can move
forward together.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Hey, hey, Chack, how would Mike Preston know that there
are issues.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Going on with Lamar in the front office.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
I'm just gonna let whatever happens happens. I'm gonna let
it happen because to see, if I say something, I
hate the brother.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
So I'm gonna let it go.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Yeah, I said it earlier, Chad, listen to me. Listen
to me anytime a reporter says something. I saw a
lot of Ravens fans when I commented on the article
and said, well, if they don't appreciate you, Lamar, come
on down here to Miami.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
We appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
Tacking home, everybody jumped on my head. Tell me about Oh,
don't listen to Mike Press and that's fake news. He
doesn't know what he's talking about. I know, you guys
not might like him as a reporter. But one thing
they don't do is they will never write anything or
say anything where their credibility is not intact coming it
is coming from in house. Anything he writes, anything he's saying,
(50:45):
is coming from in house.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Listen to me. As much as y'all love Lamar, I
love Lamar too.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
I can only see number eight, that young bull out
of pomp Or. I can only see number eight in
a raven jersey. But this game game they do in
leaking information purposely to the media, and then the media
write certain stuff and you kind of wonder, oh, he
just writing that out of nowhere. No, it's coming from
inside the building. They do this on purpose. This is
(51:14):
the game they play. They do this all the time,
the not just Lamar Jackson, to all.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
The great players. When things aren't going.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Well, when the season doesn't go the way it's go,
Oh maybe it's time we do this. Oh maybe it's time.
They do it to everybody. And now it's his turn.
So I mean, I'm just like the just the thought
of it, just the thought of a two time MVP,
one of the best, top three, top five quarterbacks in
the NFL. You know, someone writing the article in him
being somewhere else. It's a possibility. It is as much
(51:44):
as much as we love him, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Telling you this the whey it works.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
The front office, the organization always leaks stuff like this
just to get the fucking ball rolling.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Always, Oh Joe, they got I say, look, Lamar's been injured.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Lamar's not injured.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I say, well, he missed five games in twenty one,
he missed five games in twenty two. He's already missed
three games. There's a possibility he'll miss one or more
games the rest of the season, So that'll be five games.
So that'll be.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Five, five and five.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Now, the thing is is that when you pay a
quarterback that kind of money and you know, the best
availabil oh that was.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Availability. And look it's not his.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
You know, I don't know anything about the conditioning or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
And maybe maybe it hasn't reached that.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Boiling point in which Mike, because I know Mike, I was,
I was in Baltimore. Maybe it hasn't reached that point
of no return. But maybe there's like with damn, ugh, damn.
(53:01):
They gonna make a decision on Joe. I mean, he
got a cap here probably like seventy million dollars probably
next year.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
What's his cap hold on? What's his tail out here?
Speaker 3 (53:08):
Ask for seventy three or seventy four?
Speaker 2 (53:16):
No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not saying. Yes, I
believe Lamar. I believe he tweaked his hamstring. I believe
I saw him get knead in the back.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
No, I do not think Lamar Jackson is faking. I
never thought he was thinking about an injury. No, his
back hurt. That God need the hell out him in
his back. Them needs hurt. Ain't ain't a whole lot
of padding back there in your back, There's not. But
(53:44):
they're gonna have to make They're gonna have to make
some tough decisions. They're gonna have to make some tough decisions.
Zayflyers making the Pro Bowl again, O Joe, that's twenty
eight million dollars.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
That's twenty eight million if you pick up the fifty option.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
What you think?
Speaker 2 (54:05):
They've got some tough decisions to make. This roster has
gotten old. They've let it get old.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
They did.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
What side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
It's all on not not the offensive side.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
But the office doesn't have the playmakers. Okay is going
to be gone because they they did and they redid
Andrews Bateman. I don't know, I don't know what I like.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
I like bab.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I mean what you think about this? What you what?
Speaker 1 (54:39):
What?
Speaker 3 (54:39):
What are you looking for?
Speaker 4 (54:40):
Based on the type of offense that they run, Baban
is not going to be your Jamar Chasey justin Jefferson
putting up those type of numbers because they don't use
him in that manner. They don't use him in that fashion.
You know, when the opportunity to do present themselves, he
makes the plays. So it's kind of hard for him
basing the off based on the offense that he's in.
He doesn't get the volume of hargets that other receivers get.
(55:01):
Where he gets the showcase what he can do. Now
that that's not that's not show.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Oh Joe. Here's the stats. New England no catches, Pittsburgh
two catches, Cincinnati no catches, Minnesota one catch, Miami two catches,
Chicago two catches, l A one catch, Houston no catch,
Casey one catch, Detroit five catches Cleveland, two catches Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
I mean, I just, I just I just explained it
to you perfectly. I just, I just I just said it. Baby,
I said I can't, I can't put it no, no
better than I just did. He can only do what's
asked of him. You know, you can't produce unless you
have opportunity.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
And and and they, I mean they got more, got
more fumbles than touchdown.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
That's not a good stat o, Joe, that's not mhm.
The man got more fun.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
They having a down here. They're having a down here, baby,
They having But I'll.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Tell you what if the if, the if the ring
listen you know how you know I love my Raven fans.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yes, but oh we'll come back to that, hey, Chris,
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