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a little bit later, but first we start with basketball.
But before we get into that, we want to thank
each and every one of you. Today we find out
in the YouTube rankings we're the number thirteen podcasts, not
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are over five hundred different podcasts that's on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Will number thirteen? Five?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Ok, five, they're five thousands. There are thousands of podcasts
on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Wait, number thirteen.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
We're the number one sports podcast of all the people
that do sports. Yeah, we're number one on YouTube of
all the people that do sports. We don't need to
call no name, we don't need to HiPE ourselves up,
but try to talk down to someone else. But I'm
just saying this is only because of you, because none
of this is possible without you. All the things that
I've been through and oh Joe still by men, Joe
(04:27):
came back and joined us. All of this is because
of you, and I personally can't thank you enough. What
you want to say with Joe, Wait a.
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Minute, I'm listening to the numbers. The numbers is astonishing.
Now we barely into that in our second year. Now
we talk about thousands of thousands and thousands of other podcasts,
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That is an amazing accomplishment.
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And obviously our success is all because of you that
continue to watch and support us. Y'all of the meat
and potatoes to why this thing is going the way
it is. And I want to thank you from the
goodness and the greatness of my heart and and and
and what we just started. And we're gonna get to
that number one spot.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
We're gonna were gonna get there, that's our goal.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Joe came on with us last year and uh to
do basketball, and he came back with us again this year.
So we want to thank Joe for being a part
of this. And uh uh A lot of people were
trying to get Joe, but Joe, he was looking for
the right situation, some way be himself, be comfortable and
talk about not only basketball, but he wanted to talk
about other topics as well. So we think Joe is
the perfect fit for Nightcap to be a big three
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that's on Wednesday night, and as I said, as we
move into the new year, hopefully Joe did want to
come on for an extra night.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But we'll see how that pans out.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh yeah, all you guys that's watching, that's listening, that
spread us, that spread Nightcap the word of mouth. Oh
Joe and I and Joe want to personally thank you
for your support and you'll continue support. But first we
got to start with some basketball. Joe Rich Paul time
with the Los Angeles Clippers, and I guess they say
the second time is not better than the first time.
Paul sent home by the franchise late last night, in
(06:02):
the middle of a five game road trip CP three
rode on Ig just found out I'm being sent home.
The Clippers then are now saying that they had released Paul,
saying Chris is a legendary Clipper and had a historic career.
But I want to make one thing very clear. No
one is blaming Chris Paul for our underperformance. I accept
responsibility for the record we have right now, and there
(06:24):
are a lot of reasons why we've struggled. We're grateful
for the impact Chris has made on this franchise. According
to Shams, chris leadership style clash with the team and
he had not spoken to ty Lou for several weeks.
Per Chris Haynes, Chris Paul requested a meeting with Lou
to discuss perception he was a negative presence on the team,
and Lou refused to meet. Joe, having played seventeen years
(06:48):
in the NBA, had been one of the leaders at
a lot of different places. What do you deduce what happened?
And how did what seemed promising the second time around?
How did it go so bad so quickly? Well, Uncle Ocho,
sounds like to me. I played with obviously, I played
with toront Luke. He was a point guard here in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I had a chance to play with Chris Paul in
the USA and two thousand and six, and I played
with him in Houston. That that one year with James
Harden was just unbelievable and we lost to the Warriors game.
What was that seven to the win to the finals.
So I know I know both of these guys pretty well.
Uh Chris, Chris Paul is a point guard, is very bullheaded.
(07:32):
You know, he is a national leader. So if he
sees something that he doesn't like or he don't think
that's that's helping the team. Man, he's obviously gonna voice that,
he's gonna say something. You know, he's just one of
those guys who can't help it. But Uncle Ocho, y'all know,
losing exposes a lot, Man, it exposes a lot. And
when you're getting your butt kicked night in and night out,
you know, I feel like you have to put the
(07:53):
blame on someone. And unfortunately, you know, it seems though
even though they came out with statement and said Chris
is just has nothing to do with it. You know,
his our record is why we excusing him from the team.
But it's just a bad look, man on a guy
who's already who is a Hall of Fame point guard,
who's already said that this is last year planned, you
(08:16):
know what I mean. So it's like, what was so
bad or egregious that he couldn't stick it out this
full year?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's that's yet to be determined. Obviously it'll take one
of those guys to kind of speak on it. But
it just seems like an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Man losing does a bill character. It reveals character and what.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Transpired, what transprit Let me tell you, Let me let
me tell you from a football perspective, and let me
know what you think. Joe, Yeah, you see, Chris Paul
has always been one of the two or three best
guys on the team. He's an All NBA selection, he's
an All DEMBIA, a defensive selection. He's one of the
top two or three point guards year and the year out.
You see, Oh, Joe and Joe, as you start to slip,
(08:57):
your voice is not as loud and it can't be
is loud. So things that you would normally say when
you was All NBA, you was all defensive, You could
go to the coach, the man, the meeting and no problem.
You see, Oh Joe, you know this. The fifty third
man can't get a meeting with the head coach. The
one two, three four guy can get a meeting with
the head coach. And you see what transfired. Yeah, he's saying,
(09:18):
what's going on? But nobody wants to hear that, Chris,
because you're not the player. You can't help us get
out of what's going on. This is what I take from.
This is what I take I think happened. This thing
went awry when they gave up all those picks for
Paul George and they moved heaven and earth to get Kawhi,
Leonard Kawhi had they won one championship. You see, Toronto
(09:40):
gave up a lot to get Kawhi. It was well
worth it because what Joe, they won a championship. You see,
now the Clippers are farther away from winning a championship
than when they were before they even got Kawhi. Yes,
so now we're giving up all these picks. Y'all see
what Shaye doing on a nightly basis. Not only did
it win a championship, he's Finals MVP, the league MVP.
(10:01):
And we had him, Joe, we had him. We had
a goose that was laying golden eggs, and we gave
him away. We made the biggest mistake, says ASoP, gave
us Kingdom away.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Four horse.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
That's what happens as you get old, and it happens
to all of us. Were all not gonna have the
same ability to go speak or to go knock on
the Boston door and have a conversation with him. It
will happen to us all. And that is what happened
to Chris Paul. Chris thought he was from out from
outside looking at in chat. I haven't talked to anybody.
(10:35):
I have not talked to anybody. So I'm just saying
from my standpoint, yes, Chris is looking at himself. He's
Chris Paul and CP three in name only, not in play.
So if you can't produce the same way, you can't
expect to have the same kind of leeweight.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You can't be that critical.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Because you could be critical when he was that guy,
when he was in New Orleans or all these other
place where he's in Houston and he's a whole KC.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
You could have that. Yeah, when you.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Play eight ten minutes a night, guys, you don't get
that kind of you don't get that kind of leeway.
You don't have that kind of luxury. That's what I
deduce from what happened in this situation.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
A Joe and Uncle.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I'm curious obviously with Chris Paul. With Chris Paul playing
as long as he's playing, being a seasoned veteran in
the game, understanding what it takes to win. The Clippers
have had mishaps obviously with the trade, which with Shay
and other things not going right with the Kawhi trade.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Why not why not he not be able.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
To express themselves and say, this is what you what
we need to do if you want to see things
go in the right direction. Why would they not listen
to him? Why would they not take heed to what
he's saying? Does management or do the people in positions
of power have that much of ego? Are they that
prideful to let someone that has put the kind of
work that Chris Paul is done in the league itself
(11:59):
and being successful Hall of fame at that they won't
even just listen.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh so it sounds more like of how the message
is being delivered to me if you ask me, like,
it's a way you can still lead. Although he's coming
off the bench, he's trying to be that spark plug,
that lead off the bench. You know, he can't help,
you know, to get a little emotional probably, you know,
throughout this course of the season, man, it's been a
rough patch for the Clippers early. You know what I mean.
(12:26):
I watched him play numerous of times, so I know
the frustration has set in. Like like I'm saying, when
emotions is high, logic is low, you know what I mean.
So they standon, had a meeting, he released the he
released the IG post at three in the morning, said
they were sending him home. From my understanding, they was
meeting up to that point. That's how long it took
(12:47):
for them to kind of get an understanding. So it
ain't just clear cut and dry that they just let
him go like. It was more to the situation that
obviously that'll probably never get out to the public, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It was a situation, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Maybe there was certain It's hard for me to believe
this is an isolated ancident, This is a one time thing.
Maybe Chris being the vocal leader everywhere he's being, was
being vocal.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Maybe he was being a little too vocal. Oh Joe,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
A special Teams guy is not gonna say Marvin, I
need to talk to you, and Marvin opened his door.
That's not happening. You could do that. Carson could do that.
Voluntee Burfett could do that.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
MH.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You have to understand that in the pecking order, everybody
doesn't Bill Davis. Bill Davis, my college coach, told me
one time. He showed the team one time. He said,
I'm an cheat to treat y'all all fair, but I'm
not gonna treat you the same.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Do it that a chat? Do with that what you want?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You know, on the job, the boss might treat y'all
all fair, but some of y'all said, well, he got
favorite X, Y and Z, but they don't treat you
all the same. Kawhi get privileges. I remember Paul Jordan
even had a conversation. That's what Rob pat bailed them
the wrong way. Them guys coming late. We got a hold.
We can't start practice, we can't take off on the bus,
(14:10):
we can't take off on the plane. Well, that's what
happens when you're one of the two star players. You
get listened to. When you're not the star player and
you're not even playing fifteen twenty minutes a night, it's hard.
First of all, the guys are not gonna listen to
you to save or Joe that guy that oh Joe.
How many times the special team guys said, come on,
(14:32):
oh Joe, let's go. You looking at him like, if
you don't sit your ass down to get out my face,
I can't tell you what somebody told me.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I'm telling you what I know.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Absolutely absolutely he At the same time, you know, I
know CP he understands like, Okay, I got a great
relationship with James Hard and I got a good relationship
with Kawhi Leonard. He ain't if it's really something that
wrong or you know, something that's really messing with him,
I'm sure he would go to them and hey, look, man,
we gotta go talk to coach. We gotta go talk
(15:02):
to t Lou. He'll go to James Harden, He'll go
to Kawhi. We need to go talk to t Lou
about this situation. Man, Hey, we gotta be better here.
We gotta be better that. I just can't see him
over going over James Harden and Kawhi and then just
going straight to the source being like, hey man, we
got an x y Z you know what I mean?
Like I think I think he has I know he
(15:22):
has more sense in that, and obviously his value and
his say so into this through those dudes, obviously it
will be heard, you know a lot better as though
it's just coming from him. So I really I'm not
sure what really got him to this point. But like
I said, man, I've watched him play a few times
and it hasn't been pretty.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The man getting D and p's healthy scratches. It's only
a matter of time. That is the prideful man. That
man has played twenty with twenty one NBA season, Joe,
like I said, he's a top seventy five player all time.
Hut that sink in for just a second.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Chat.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
He's getting healthy D and PS, D and P healthy scratch, DMP,
healthy scratch, not an injury, not coaching decision, healthy stratch.
So now is telling you now, I don't, Like I said,
I don't know. Maybe you know, Hey, y'all need to
do this. Y'all need to do that. Man, it's kind
of hard to tell somebody something when you're not doing
(16:18):
it or you can't help us do it. Yeah, but
this situation is bigger than Chris Paul because the Clippers
right now, Chat and y'all know this, and everybody that's
listening to us know this. The Clippers are farther away
from winning a championship right now than when they were
before they got Kawhi. Kawhi injuries has helped harmed this team.
Giving up all those draft picks. Do you know, Oto,
(16:40):
but ok see Thunder still get the clippers number one
draft pick in twenty six. Think about that, all those
picks they got, they built this roster.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
They built a team that's.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Set for the next decade thanks to the Clippers. Thanks
to the Clippers.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Yeah, they missed. They missed big time. This is more
than miss.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I'm not sure I can think of another word, you know,
to to definitively describe what the Clippers did when they.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Let Shay go.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
And Uncle, I asked, I mean Joe, I asked Uncle
this or earlier. Most of the time, if you if
you can see you know, scouts and gms, there's there's
a there's a visual where you can tell a player
special because certain players look better than other players, even
if they're young and they're just coming to your team,
you can already see the promise and the potential in them.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
So I asked, Uncle, well.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
How the hell they even let Shake get out the
goddamn building anyway? When he's as special as he is,
You're not gonna tell me, Oh, he's with the Clippers,
and he's like, I you know what I think we
can we can do without this individual. And then all
of a sudden, he goes to Oklahoma and looks like
he does now one of the best in the league.
O Joe, Hey, Judy, maybe one depending on who you
(17:49):
god damn asked, based on preference on the position and
play you actually liked.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
So what the hell was the Clippers looking at?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Dang, they didn't see this, bro, So this they see.
They knew he was gonna be special. They knew he
was gonna be special. But Ojo, I promise you, they
ain't see this, bro. They didn't see I'm gonna be
honest with you. I ain't see this. I thought he
was a hell of a player, right, but the mega
starring on that he's jumped himself into the consistency that
(18:17):
he plays with and being reliable night in and night
out with thirty plus points at night obviously, the one
championship looking like they gonna repeat.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, yea man and boys twenty one and one man.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yes, he couldn't be this. You know why he couldn't
be this because he wasn't gonna be number one with Kawhi.
You see he's the unquestioned leader in Okay. See, so
now if you bring Kawhii in, Kawhi gotta get the ball.
Yeah no, and Kawhi made it be Let it be known.
(18:54):
If you don't make this deal to get Paul George,
I'm going to side with the Lakers and after the
Davids and James, and if you're the Clipper, you cannot
allow that to happen because they already had Lebron. Now
they got another superstar and after the day was the
pair with him, and you want them to get a
third win.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Hey, and not only that, Uncle Ojo, Kawhi and Paul
George as two La kids. They are in California. So yeah, now,
I'm sure they wanted to do anything they could to
make that possible because I'm sure they thought they was
gonna win the title. Now, I think with Shaye, with
him being traded, it put a little more often and
(19:31):
to be a better player, to be a bass leader,
you know what I mean, Like, Okay, they traded me,
all right, bet I'm gonna show him. So I think
a lot of that is kind of oozing him as well.
And from getting traded, bro, you learn a lot about
a lot of people, and not only that yourself. I
think that that helped catapult him into a start. But
he's like, all right, every I'm gonna continue to get
better and better and better next year, you know, not
(19:53):
the MVP. Now we don't won the championship. Now he's
working on our second one. You just you don't. You
never know how things play out. If he's stay in
LA you know, if he's complacent, if you know what
I mean. It's just so many different variables that come
in that come into play. It's like, bro, ain't no
way y'all could have seen his man, know.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
He could, he wouldn't have been what he is because
he wouldn't have had the ball like he does.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
He has the ball.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So you mean to tell me you're gonna bring kawhii
and give him all of that, make all those concessions,
and you think you're gonna turn that ball over to
somebody else. It's not gonna happen. It's not nah, And
so now he was able to play free O Joe.
Look at everybody knows who's the number one guy on
ok see Shaye Okay, jub okay chat everybody else falling
(20:40):
the line but there's only one.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You can't you gotta have you gotta have a pecking order.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That was kind of what happened in Okay. See wasn't
a Joe. Yeah with Kevin Durant in russ You see
what happened. Yeah, now you have no issue O Joe
saying no. I was like, look here if like your
girls said, look, you know, you know there's a possibility,
she said. But if you don't do what I asked,
I want moving me in. I'm moving in with him
(21:07):
and we right next door to you. That's what the
Clippers was under the gun.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
O Joe.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
What choice did they have? You got Lebron James, you
got the biggest name in the NBA, with the biggest
franchise in the NBA, and they just got Anthony Davis.
So now you have no choice to give him everything
that he's asking for. I want this, I want that,
I want this, Okay, okay, And if you don't, he
told him plat out. It's being reported that he told
(21:34):
him plat out. If you don't get Paul George, I'm
going with the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, that's that's crazy. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Now he got hurt. They got to the getting to
the championship game, he get hurt. You remember that the game? Oh, Shoe,
what what I mean, Joe? They beat Utah if they got,
if they got and then they have Remember that first
game against Phi Kawhi goes, Hey, why you get hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
In that series? That's the only reason why they lost
that series. I think if he wouldn't have got hurt
in that Phoenix because Phoenix went on to the finals.
They year, Yes, if they ended up losing to UH Milwaukee,
but they had a two zero lead and then lost
four straight. Yeah, but I just think, I just think
the thing is for me looking at it from the outside,
looking from outside, and I'm not inside looking out being
(22:28):
a player and an older player.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Uh. I give a prime example, what's going on in Pittsburgh.
Gohoe and the quarterback say, guys, they ain't coming to
meeting that he called. Yeah, I'm just saying, he said,
you know, we asked guys to come by.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Let's be critical of ourselves.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Right, And that's that That's that's crazy. I mean, just
just just thinking about it, what Chris Paul is accomplished. Yeah,
being a seventy being a part of that seventy five
how you said seventy.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Five diversity five greatest players play.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
One of the seventy five greatest players of all time,
a definitely Hall of Famer, still doesn't have the weight
despite not being as valuable as he once was, where
his word means nothing at this point, and that's that
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I give another example. Look at Tom Brady. Tom Brady
was the oldest player in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But what was he doing?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
O Joe producing at extremely high level. Chris Paul wasn't
producing at that level to have that kind of bull
that megaphone, that megaphone voice. Yeah, you see, I'm just
telling you how it goals. Yeah, And people say, well,
what didn't know? But I was still producing at a
high level. I was still right there. I was one
or two on the team, lead in yards and catches,
(23:54):
so I was still producing at a high level. Chris
Paul a twelve time All Star, six times Steel Champ,
All Rookie Defensive, nine time All Defensive, seventy fifth Anniversary TINAE,
five time Assists Champ, eleven time All Being NBA two
thousand and five, six A Rookie of the Year twenty twelve,
thirteen All Star game MVP. So the resume, but you
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gotta update that resume with Joe. Yeah, when was the
last time you saw when the last time we saw
him an All Star game?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Joe, It's been it's been a while. Well, he like,
he likes. He likes second or third in the history
of the game and assists.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Right, Uh. I think he third. I think he third
behind Stockton and Kid.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Okay, mmm, that's that's crazy and it is funny. It's funny.
It's funny.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
This happens all the time, just not in sports, in
life in general.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Okay, well, he passed, he passed, He passed Jake Kidd.
Yeah he's second.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's a hell of a feat that boy.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yes, yes, Oh that's crazy, Bron.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Joe to a different Joe.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You know, Look, you were what you had accomplished at Atlanta.
That's Atlanta. When you go into a different situation, you
move very, very differently every single different situation you went
into until you found out the landscape of the land.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You just can't be that same person.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah, unless you unless you're that guy.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Lest you Lebron James to go to Miami. He tried
to take him back. See d Way said, bro. In
order for us to do what we need to do,
you got to be him. He goes back to Cleveland.
It's a no brainer. He takes over. Maybe that rubbed
some of the guys the wrong way. He goes to
l A. Well, he's the best player on the team,
the best player on the team coming in. It's understood.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
What's understood, doesn't need to be explained.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But when you what not the first, not the second,
not the third, not the fourth, not the fifth. Best
and another mistake that made they keep making mistake after mistake,
and they keep compounding it. You gave up a Norman
Powell who it should have been an All Star last
year for Bradley Beal.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Bradley Bill done for the rest of the.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Year, that boy averaging what hey, the season just.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Started, Yeah it ended for him.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Old he heard him. I think he hurt his knee
or something, but he done. Yeah, I think it's just him.
Yeah that Hey, hey, Norman Powell over that everything about
twenty four to twenty five a.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Game in absolutely absolutely damn Yeah. You see when you
make a mistake, O Joe, and you compounded, Yes, you brought.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I'm trying to figure. I just Joe helped me understand this.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Joe.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
They saw him in that situation in Phoenix Phoenix Book
and k D he couldn't be third fiddle.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You know what, he'll be a better third fiddle here
behind Kawhi and James Harden.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I think what the Clippers were thinking. Ok Ojoe, Okay,
we bring Bradley Bill over. He still got some youth
in him. He's a little younger than Harden, and in
Kawhi gonna miss a lot of games. We know that
we gonna need a guy who can step in and
maybe get h.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I say, a guy that can step in a score.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, we gonna need a guy who step in to
give us eighteen to twenty five a night. I think
that's what the Clippers were banking on. And obviously due
to injuries, man, he you know, he just ain't been
able to Brandy Bill was never able to deliver that
for the Clippers, so it put him in a tough mind.
Harden has been playing great all year, but it's been
hard because outside of Zuba. You know, when Kawhi does play,
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you know, he does give him great minutes, but they
don't have no chemistry continuity. You can kind of see
it when they play, you know what I mean. So uh,
and it's just it just it just hasn't worked this
year for him.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Man, damn, it hasn't. It hasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But Joe, I've tried to figure out, how did they
expect somebody to get healthier as they get older.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Look at Brandley Bill's history the last couple of years,
he's been hurt.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I know they tried. They was optimistic. They try to
give him a try. It's like, hey, listen, okay, we
we we we understand that he ain't performed well in Phoenix,
but we're gonna give him another chance. Look this chance
we giving him, it ain't gonna really cost us nothing.
On top of that, we try to bring in CP
because if not, then you gotta pay Norman pound Max
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dollards to stay close to Max dollars to stay. So
I think they were trying to avoid that too. So yeah,
they were trying to cut corners.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And Pile has gotten better and better, and now you
see him. When Tyler Hero was out, he was cooking.
He could I mean, hey, he can take you off
the dribble, he can spot up, he can shoot the
three off the drunk. I mean, and now he got
they got Tyler Hero back. It's just it's just been
one thing after another for the Clippers, and unfortunately, I
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think that window has slammed shut with Kawhi because Kawhi
is never gonna.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Give you enough games Joe to mount anything.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And then when you least he can play back to backs,
and in the playoffs, you're playing every you play it
every other day.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
What you said, after you get past game three.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
It's tund it's trying to blow it up. Get get
some get some uh some draft capitals.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
You got how many more years?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Because how many more years they got on Kawhi because
they just gave Kawhi a new deal. Many you gave
Kawhi new deal you walked away from Paul George, which
looks like a good thing now, because they wanted to
do a three year deal. Paul wanted that extra fourth year.
Philly's gonna be kicking their own self in the ass.
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But Philly's gonna be kicking themselves and the ass with
Joe Labid also because he got damnedar two hundred million
in the next three years coming.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
But look, go ahead, Philip Philly. Philly ain't got a
they they got.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I blow it up. I mean, I build. I'm feeling
around Max and Edgecumbe.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
They got a decent problem because they got some young
boys on that team, and Philly who's gonna go get
EMBD and and and Paul George ain't playing. They got
some boys out there who will go get yep. I
enjoyed watching them. What's the guy that come up come
off the bench? MAXI O your Quinn Grimes? Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So they got some promises, they got some promise over there.
The is don't have to do something, man, I don't
know what they gotta do. They gotta do something.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Hey, what what's what's what's the issue? I know Joel
embiid is his knee. His knee is bothering them with
Paul George. Paul George need too yep.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah. I think he had a procedure. And I think
he had a procedure right for the season started too.
It's kind of set in mount some more okay.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And you got you got two more years and damn near.
I think he signed a four years, two hundred and
twelve million dollars. Yeah, so you you you see what
you You see what you're looking at right on your You
look at about fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Joel Embiid got three years, almost two hundred million. I got.
He's out. Can't play back to back.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
They're already saying, Joel Embiid is not playing back to back.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Guess what. He's getting older, He's getting heavier.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Like I said, I've never seen somebody get healthy as
they got older.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah, and Kawhi needs bad too.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Huh what bad?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Worse than mine?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Man?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Hey, love, Look, the only difference is I'm fifty seven.
He not even thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
A wise man once told me, the older you get, man,
the lighter you got to be to play this game.
It's a young absolutely. This was pat Riley. When I
played in Miami Ojo for a couple of months. Me
and him said out. He was like, Joe, the older
you get, the lighter you have to be to play
this game, man, it's a young man's game, right.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I told you.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
As I started getting older the league, I got lighter
and lighter, light and lighter.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
All of a sudden, it was two thirty two, then
it was two thirty one, then it was twenty nine,
Then it was twenty eight, then it was twenty six.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
You see, yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Hey ojo. I always tell people, man that the older
that we get, the harder it is to play the
games that we love because we have to work a
lot lot harder than somebody who's younger. You know what
I mean. Yes, Like as we age and you get
in your forties, your fifties, just a gear for a
basketball game, Hey man, you can't be out there playing.
You got to You got to stretch, warm up. You
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gotta make sure that body rightful. You put on that freeway.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So I get it. You gotta eat, Joe. You gotta
two things need to happen, one of the other and
sometimes both. You gotta work out harder and eat less.
Sometimes you gotta do both of them. Now you gotta
work out harder and eat less. Yeah, you gotta. Can
I do one of the others? Do I gotta do both?
Or boff? Both?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Ain't nowhere around it. You got to do both. You
have to eat. You have to eat less and work
out harder. That's the way it goes, Like your training has.
I tell my son this all the time. I know
you're a lot younger, but I tell I say, man,
your training has to be far harder than the game itself,
you know what I mean. So when you do play,
you can make it look easy. You know what I mean?
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If you train hard and going hard, sweating, he got
your heart rate Like, that's what you want because when
you touch the floor, the court or the field, man,
you wanted to look easy. Bro.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, Joe y'all did in bad at night. You know
they're in Atlanta. Hawks fan erupted, where's Chris Paul? Oh man,
where's Chris Paul?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
He's from right up the street, North Carolina. I bet
there's a lot of people that they see him play.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah. Yeah, they did.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
A number on us tonight too, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I think they did a number on the Hawks to night.
The Clippers did. I don't know, I know, Uh yeah, man,
they got us one fifteen to ninety two.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Damn damn man.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Jalen Johnson been playing out his damn minded He didn't
play tonight. That was that was that was the problem.
Oh okay, now it makes sense then. Yeah, that boy
man he been bothering. He gonna be an all side
of shit too. Yeah, he played like an all star.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Man, them young them young guys are really doing the number, man.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
They are. Yeah, they got some guys out there that's
playing hard. But I don't want people to lose sight
of trade not being out there. Man, he's definitely gonna
be needed because he to me, Uncle o Jo, he's
the factor. He's the guy who can win you a series,
who can get you to the next round. Like, yeah,
it looks great now. You know, throughout the regular season
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we winning games. But man, look when he getting knuck
cut in time, you know, we gonna we need a
guy who'd have been there and know what it takes, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Jamal Murray had a monster game, Joe. He had fifty
two points. He was nineteen or twenty five from the floor,
ten of eleven from the.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Three, hold on nineteen for twenty five.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, man, fifty two, Hey boy, he was efficient to night.
Hey when when Uncle Ojo, when Jamal Murray playing like that,
it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
They hard. You can't you can't beat them.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
You can't beat them because look yok still had twenty
four points, a rebound, thirteen assists, So he's still gonna
give you his triple double. Now, if you get somebody
chip in, that's gonna give you forty to fifty.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Eric, think about it. Aaron Gordon's out go look back
and look at Aaron Gordon. Since he got there and
they won the championship, He's been better, shooting the ball
from outside, played outstanding defense.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He's that third option.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And had he not got it had been very interesting
to see, Joe, what would have happened, What could have
happened had he not gotten injured that Game seven against KC.
Next topic, Janni's ante Takunpo is unhappy with the Bucks organization.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
He deleted all mention of the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
From his social media pages on Tuesday, and Brian ren
Horse revealed Jannis had asked to be traded uh to
the New York Knicks during the offseason. H Jannis's agent,
Alex Sassatistic saratis it sounds.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Greek that they.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Reportedly have begun discussion with Milwaukee regarding his future and
resolution is expected within the next few weeks.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Joe can let me start this. Joe, I ain't got
no problem goud wanting to leave.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But what I got a problem with guys doing is
taking shots at guys when they leave. You know what
I remember when Yanni said, I don't want to go
somewhere else and team up with somebody else. I want
them to come to Milwaukee, because see, everybody was taking chance.
Say Lebron when he went to Miami, everybody, I ain't
calling no name, but everybody has something to say, and
I big damn if everybody that has something to say,
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look at be careful, You'll become the very thing you despise.
My grandpa used to always say this, Joe, be careful, boy,
you'll become the very thing you despise most in a person. Yeah,
because you because you hate a liar, you will become one.
You hate a thief, you will become one. You hate
a cheat, you will become one. Be careful, boy, you'll
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become the very thing you despise the most in a person.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Not look at him now, but uncle, he frustrated.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Lebron was.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
For everybody had something to say, right right, Joe, Oh, Joe.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I ain't got no problem with God. I wanting to
go none whatsoever. But guess what Lebron did. Guess what
KD did. Now they traded KD. I don't know if
KD wanted to go. Lebron played every last contract out.
He was done with Cleveland, his contract that ended, he
went to Miami. He gave Miami four years. He went
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back to Cleveland for four years. He's been in LA
now seven eight years, played out every last contract. But
everybody took their shots. I don't go I don't want
a team up with somebody else. I want to be
right here. Okay, yeah, wait listen, Now you want to
go to the Buck, Now you want to go to Knicks.
What's the next guy? Jaylen Bronson, Karl Land, through the towns,
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Michale Bridges, oh g Ananoby, Mitchell Robinson.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Now, obviously you gonna have to get some of those
guys up.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
But n And the funny thing about it is it's
easy to say all the right things when you're winning.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
It's easy to say all the right things when you're happy.
That's the easy part, Joe, huh.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
I mean it's easy to smile and look at other
people that you see bounced around and and doing things
that God damn it, doing things that you wouldn't do,
doing things that you wouldn't do.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Because I'm just go to my laptop camera. Man, I'm
sick of turning this thing off off and on.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I know KD was not traded to the Warriors. KD
was traded KD traded to the was traded to UH Phoenix,
and was traded to the Rockets, So he was traded twice.
Chat Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, O Joe, No, no,
I was finished.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I'm just saying, I mean every everyone, everyone. When when
things are convenient, you know, when the opportunity you're in
at that moment, you're happy, well god, yeah, you're.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Gonna say everything under the sun.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
When you see someone else doing something that you probably
wouldn't do, the many things go sour for you, and
inside the house started to stink. What's the first thing
you want to do? Oh man, I got it. I
got to get up out of here, and you forget
about everything you said about somebody else that would doing
the exact same thing.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
You ready to do? You ready to stinking house because
it's smelled.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Joe.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Was that sitting at the Joe asking to see you
this this thing with Yanni's injuredous cat.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Did you see when he just.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
He just sent there ain't ain't nothing wrong with him,
ain't nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
They won, but he didn't play. But like three four minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
But I want you to see this, Joe Temper.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
What you're thinking, Okay.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
It was a non contact, non contact.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Hold on what you're trying to say?
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Uh no, he he just went down.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
He was down. I don't want you to look at it, Joe,
That's all I'm saying. I want you to look at it.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Ain't nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Ain't listen. But what happens? What happens when that girl
on Instagram started taking them pictures down and hunt a boyfriend?
Speaker 1 (39:44):
All, it's over a rap. That's over a rap, asked,
said she sent it to you. I G it's over,
you know, And and that's the thing that's why you Hey, look,
y'all need to be first of all, you need to
be really really locked in to start posting. Y'all date somebody.
Y'all go out of one day and you already got
him up. My heart, my rib my backbone. God gave
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me everything I asked for, and a week later, I
guess God took it back.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
You know, ain't showing up. I can't what's this on? X?
Speaker 3 (40:20):
You sitting on Twitter? Yes? You sent you a Twitter
link on Instagram?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Damn it ain't showing h Joe.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Young Joe don't know how to work technology.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Uh oh, he works to be out, Oh Joe, chill
cheer yeah, yeh cheer cheer chih yeah yeh.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Hey. Look, I am about as bad as though.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
For I'm trying to figure out, uh, I'm trying to
figure out where these guys be coming up with these
injuries now, everybody getting cam strings, oh Joe in the NFL, the.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
N B, A m l B. I'm like, damn, but listen,
you know what I listen. I ain't even gonna say nothing. Man,
I ain't even say every time I say something, everybody laugh.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Tell me be quiet.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Okay, hold on, hold on, hey, hey, hold on, because
that's a non contact injury, and it's just like, ain't
nobody touching him? He just went.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
You know, you know what it is?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
He frustrated.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
When you start hearing rumbling, when you start hearing rumblings
about somebody in a relationship, Oh Joe, it's just a
matter of time because somebody done saying something to somebody,
and somebody will put that information out.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yes, sir, Hey, hey, this might be a little more
serious than what we think though.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Okay, Ojo, what that injury that ain't no injury are
you talking about on the inside?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
You know what I'm saying, like, Joe. But here's the thing, Joe,
let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
You go down like that and the training staff don't
come over, your teammates come help you up?
Speaker 5 (41:54):
Come on, Joe, you know what that is? I can
I can tell you what I can tell you what
that is.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I'm just I'm saying, Joe, when you went down, did that?
Did the trainers down come or did your teammates come
get you?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Can I tell you what that was? He Joe, can
I tell you what that was?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Joe?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I don't want to risk injury in myself and lessen
than my trade value. So I'm gonna go down and
pretend to have a non contact injury until they get
this trade in place.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Nah, I'm sorry, man, I don't see I don't think
Gianni's moved. He don't take me for that type of guy.
Now allow me the right to be wrong.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Well, Joe, I just told you inside the house is
smelled right now.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
I don't want to be inside the house while smell.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
That man worked too hard, bro he I don't see
that man just giving up on their team like that.
I think he I think this injury is far more
serious than what we can anticipate right now.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Joe, Joe, you don't want to bet none, Joe.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
I'm telling you, Joe, understand that most of the time,
most of the time, when you see an individual like that,
of course you will.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
They said it's his calf. Obviously, Oh Joe, they're gonna
do it. They're gonna do an m R. They're gonna
do a full battery of test. They said it was
his calf. They said, I guess they I guess. They
said the tendon, the tendant is intact. Yeah, yeah, it's
They said it was a calf string, O, Joe.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
So that's what we gotta go by.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
You know a lot of people like it.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Uh uh, you know sometimes when guys want to get
out of a situation. But like I agree with you, Joe,
I don't know. Yann's doesn't take me for that type
of a guy. But he doesn't take me for a
guy that wanted to be moved during the season. Exactly
what Cham's and what a windy Brian Windhorse is saying
that he asked.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
To be moving for the season. Yeah, so if if.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
What they're saying, if what they're reporting is true that
he asked out during the season because they got him
Dame in that situation that worked.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
They bought Dame out.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Now here's the thing, Myles Turner.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
He signed with Milwaukee to be with Yanni's there two
months and Yanni's won out and now he's stuck. He
could have stayed in in in indeed, but well listen,
if he already told you before the season, look, man,
I want y'all trade Man, y'all didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
We went with it. I'm not gonna give up on y'all,
but I still want y'all to know. Look, I don't
wipe my Instagram clean with y'all, y'all, so that one sign,
this one sign, ojo that one sign. Now next time
gonna be I'm just gonna have to go and come
public and tell.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
You, no, he WoT He definitely don't strike me off
that type of guy.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, I'm saying, if he really want to get out
of there, that's how he gonna be able to get out,
He's gonna have to he gonna have to voice it.
He gonna have to say it.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
So what you're gonna have to let me ask your question, though,
let's just say he wanted to go to the Knicks.
You're gonna have to give up Carl Anthony Towns. You're
gonna have to give up Mikel Bridges. You're gonna have
to give up Oh Giannanoby. You're gonna have to give
up Draft Picks. Is him and Jalen Brunson. Jayalen needs
the ball, Y'allni needs the ball? Is that enough?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I think if you New York, you try to find
a way to keep Brunting and Cat Oh no way, Yeah,
I say you want to try to find a way
to keep them too, because if you can keep them too,
and and him now yeah, and just kind of stay
out there on the three. He know he gonna shoot
threes anyway. You know what, you got, You a great
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rim roller, live thrower, downhill guy. But you're gonna probably
have to give up Michel and and and and O
g like you, You're gonna have to give up both
of them if you're giving up Cat, because I need
a superstar. And I'm not saying I think casts a star.
I don't think he's a superstar. But you're gonna have
to give up Cat.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Wow, man, Oh, I think Michael Bridges is fine. I
think o g but they ain't really selling no tickets
like that. Cat was the number one overall draft pick
I got. I got to have him because and and
and and and and with with uh Bronson and and uh.
Based on the Eastern Conference this year, that might be enough. Now,
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Orlando's gonna have something to say about that. Orlando's gonna
have something to say about that. When they get buying
Carroll Back and Wagner's playing, the Southern is playing the
way blackets playing.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
They got Wendell Carter. Oh no, no, no no, They're gonna
have something to say now.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Detroit gonna have something to say to Detroit, gonna have
something to say. Cleveland. I got to see Cleveland because
Cleveland do this to me every year. Donovan Mitchell do
this to me every year. He get me so damn
hype and then he let me die. It's it's it's
the in Cleveland is more of Darius Garland for me.
If he can stay healthy and be that guy next
to Donovan. Yeah, but if he can't stay healthy, it's
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like he'd be out there fighting against four five different
dudes by himself.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
It's just it's too much it's too much.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
I just think I just think the Cat's gonna be
a part of any trade. Now you got Josh Hart, uh,
but I think I think Cat, McHale, Bridges and and
and O G.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
I think they're getting those guys that.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Said if you Milwaukee, yes, you won't Cat. If you're
the Knicks, you want to try to keep Brunton and
Cat and I don't know how you do that and
bring you in Giannis, but you want you want to
try to keep them to to have with him because
just him and Braxton.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I want Hi about the East. I send him to
the West. Okay, who got something from in the West?
Mm hmm? I want him in the East. Why would
I do that? And I got to see this man
at least four times. You're Joe, he done brought you
a championship and we played him handsomely. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I don't know what else y'all want from because they're
not gonna They're not a championship in spying team right now.
So I don't really know what you want from him.
I mean, at some rights, you know, at some point,
all good things got to come to an end, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
And listen to ye he asked por trade at the
beginning of the season, and the fact that, hey, listen,
the fact that obviously we all known people who who
you would think would never do certain things and do
something not of character, something that's very uncharacteristic of who
they present themselves as publicly. Yeah, yes, okay, when it come,
when this comes out, and I tell y'all, this is
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his way out that there's nothing wrong with him. He's
going to make sure that he doesn't lose trade value
by injuring himself.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
Right now, I guarantee you, and I want, I want,
I want those apologies.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
For what about this?
Speaker 2 (48:17):
O Joe?
Speaker 3 (48:18):
What about to the Mavericks Anthony Davis and another.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Player Anthony David, Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Anthony Davis, Klay Thompson in the first round pick?
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Milwaukee ain't taking that. Milwaukee ain't taking that. Okay, now,
if I'm Milwaukee, I ain't even taking that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Well, you WoT hey, Joe, Oh Joe, you hear what
he's saying. But he WoT the Knicks to give up
a Bridges and og and keep Cat. So Cat, Johannis
and and Bronson, you're gonna you're gonna have to give
up o g Uh, Robinson, Michale Bridges, some draft picks.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
They gonna want Cat. I'm gonna tell you they gonna
want Cat.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Yeah, I'm I'm cured. I'm curious to see how this
is gonna play out. This is Cat, This is interesting.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
They probably do want them. But if I'm the Kniggs,
I'm trying, like you know what, not to give him up.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Right, It's tough, and I think the thing is Joe
and O Joe is that we've got to get out
of this notion. Man, Barry would have never requested the trade.
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Magic would have never Jordan of this one. It is
a new day, It is a new era. I never
would have thought eggs would cost eight dollars an effing dozen. Man,
I never thought cigarettes would be ten twelve dollars a pack.
It is a different time. You got to think differently.
You can't use that same he would have never were done. Yes,
my grandmother and people's grandmother stayed through no matter what.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
It wasn't no divorce.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Now, hey, at the slightest I'm out of here, deuces.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
So we've got we've got to stop this notion. Our
our former great players wouldn't do this because it's a
new day social media. The landscape of professional sports is
different now. It really, it really is. And so heyst
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involved with the Times. Joannis in New York could be crazy?
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Oh no, god, yeah, that that'd be nasty.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
What Johannis and Wenby with Castle?
Speaker 2 (50:50):
See they got they do san Antonio got some ancense.
They got some guys over there who Milwaukee wouldn't mind taking.
They got a few of them over there.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
That's not fair, now, what's not how you're gonna have
Yiannis and wouldn't be on the same goddamn team.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Come on, man, hey man, they got they got some
guys to give up who can come over to Milwaukee
and make some things happen.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah they do. Yeah, I think. Look, I think there's
gonna be some guys. Would I be shocked if John
got traded?
Speaker 4 (51:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (51:23):
If I would I be shocked if you got traded?
Speaker 4 (51:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna be shocked either one
of those guys get moved. Both places are kind of like, Yeah,
I've seen enough. Josh stays hurt and he ain't learned
this lesson. Yeah, Hey, hey.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Listen, hey, Joe, I know I know where're gonna learn
this lesson at where? It ain't nothing like coming on
down here to the to this military base. Down here,
are you on some structure?
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Discipline?
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Come on down here this military base. It's just like
just like the Marines. We're gonna get you right.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Hey, Hey, I don't mind the shake up, uncho. You know,
I don't mind seeing guys on the move, you know,
especially some of these big names. So I think need
a fresh start. Yeah, change job playing in Miami. Yeah,
and that's a different animal, Ocho.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm worried. I'm listen. I'm gonna make sure
you stay focused.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
No, Joe'll tell you what you you went to someone
that was somewhere that was really structured. How different was
it for you where you couldn't be yourself? How was
different was that for you playing in New England as
opposed to Cincinnati where you got to be o Jo
Sinko and when you went to Newton you had to
be Chad Johnson.
Speaker 5 (52:38):
I mean, it was it was cool. It was cool.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
It was it was cool, and it's that that experience
for me, honestly, being and I understood my role once
I got there.
Speaker 5 (52:48):
I wasn't never be Ocho.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
You hear me, Joe, Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
There to be that chat of old where I had
the shoulder the brunt of everything on my shoulders when
it came to us from an offensive perspective. When I
got there, boy, they was loaded. So in my mind,
I'm like, well, what the hell y'all brought me here for.
There's only one receiver that I know that went to
New England who can play on the outside and was
(53:13):
able to dominate about to go crazy, and he's one
of the best all time, and I don't compare now
where close to that individual.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
So I's in a way I was there.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
I was at peace for what you want me to do, okay,
and I definitely wann't fing to complain, you know, because
I understood.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
I understood that patriotate. I understood that. So I went
in there. Hell you got you got grownk Joe. Look
who they got Joe, they got Gronk, they got Aaron Henandez,
they got Wes Welcome, they got Julian Edelman, Dion Branch.
Speaker 5 (53:49):
It was it was one mode, It's it's somebody else.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I'm like, well, God, what man, what.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
They they traded me here and they got only god damn,
they got everything.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
But you want to lead your imprint though, you want
to lead your imprint though you you want to contribute,
You want to be a factor on the squad, you.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, it wasn't like you was there like I'm just chilling.
Speaker 5 (54:11):
No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I mean, you know I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
I want to.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
I'm a competitor, Joe. But but Joe, you know, it
wasn't going how I wanted to go.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
And boy, I wanted finish. Say now, goddamn word, but hey,
not not over there?
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (54:25):
Hey, Joe, I remember I remember Randy saying something in
the media I think about, you know, contraction right right on.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
It was like contraction by money.
Speaker 5 (54:33):
Boy, Joe, he was going in twenty four hours. Oh
hell hell nod.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
If I'm not mistaken, I think they traded him back
to they traded him back to Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
If the Minnesota traded him to Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
Tennessee, hey, Joe, he coming off of twenty three, twenty
three toestdown season, Brock twenty three toestdown season, they know
I would love to be compensated a little bit more
if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was after the That might have been.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
He was traded before you got to Ojo so coause
two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight. I think
he got traded in two thousand and nine back to Minnesota. Yeah,
because remember o Jo, he sat out and then he
ended up going to San Francisco and San Francisco went
to the Super Bowl and played the Ravens.
Speaker 5 (55:17):
Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Yeah, this is joe One thing about it. It was
a wonderful experience. It was a wonderful experience. And I think,
honestly for Joah being in that structuring environment where it's
a little bit more tight knit, you know, having someone
like pat Riley who rules with the iron fist, it
can be a good thing for him and adding that
structure that he doesn't and that discipline doesn't have right now,
(55:42):
or that many may think he doesn't have right now.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Ojo, that Miami culture that Heat coached. Let me tell
you something, man, they got pre practiced before practice. Yes,
and if practice is at eleven, pre practice is at
about nine thirty ten o'clock, Yeah, that ain't They ain't
walking in and now that's ready to go on the floor. Yeah,
you got d Wade u d. All these dudes are
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in pre pre practice. So everybody's in pre practice. It's
just kind of it's just kind of the heat wave.
That's how it is. Man. It's like them dudes work. Man,
they put the work in, bro, they ain't looking for
nobody who's coming in And you two swagged out to
get in here two three hours before practice. Man, you're
trying to accomplish something.
Speaker 5 (56:24):
No, he like, he owned that. He owned that.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
You know that change the scene where you know that,
that's that's that's what he wants.
Speaker 5 (56:30):
You know, young boy. Young boy want to be great, okay, and.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
You know he can't. He can't do what he want
to do out there in Memphis. And Memphis is a
great place. Now, it's a great.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
Hard going to an unstructured being coming from an unstructured
environment being structured, it's hard. Yeah, it's hard, oh, Joe.
That's why the military. You can't. You can't be in
there without discipline. They get they're gonna break you. Do
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you understand all the people that go ahead.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
I don't for to say the military, Joe, the Army,
the Marines, the Navy. You have no choice but to
have discipline, because one mistake there is no coming back.
This ain't called This ain't call of duty, Joe. One
mistake out there when it matters most, when it actually counts,
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you don't get you. Once you get hit, that's you're done.
And then you're responsible for everybody else's life as well.
So you have no choice but to be structured and discipline.
You can't make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Like Colonel Jeffson asked, Kathy, have you ever put your
life in someone else's hands, man's man and ask him
to put you his life in your hands?
Speaker 3 (57:43):
We follow rules or men die.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:48):
Hey, I don't even I don't even like the sound
of that.
Speaker 5 (57:51):
That's too much pressure.
Speaker 4 (57:53):
I don't even like those expectations in the way it sounds, Joe,
look like the way it sound. I don't want to
be responsible for your life sometimes, Joe.
Speaker 5 (58:03):
Uh, you know, And.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
I'm talking about on a smaller scale where it's not
life or death like in life.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Football, in basketball, where you ask the man that's playing
next to you to put his trust in you that
you're gonna do what you're supposed to do. Okay, you
ask that man that's on the court next to you, Joe,
to put his trust in you and you put your
trust in him. You're right, it's not to the magnitude
of life for death, but wins and losses, and it
feels like life and death because a lot of times
when you're losing, it's worse than death because you gotta
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wake up the next day.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
Come on, now, Yeah, so much processing losses a lot
harder than others.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
Yeah, absolutely definitely.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, the more you put into it, the harder.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
It is, absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
We understand their casualties, you know. A but.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
I just I could have been to the military because
I grew up very disciplined, ary structured, so it's been
nothing for me. You definitely can definitely go because Barti player,
Bardi Porter would have it any other way, no other way.
Speaker 4 (59:08):
Yeah, A Joe, A Joe now that now not that
on on the topic obviously, keeping everything in the context
and perspective. Talk about going to the military, Joe, you
saw full metal jacket.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
I have, but I can't really remember him.
Speaker 4 (59:21):
Private power private today. I would have been private power.
Were put in the military, I'm private power.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
I'm mess.
Speaker 5 (59:31):
Oh that's that's a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
When they ordered the cold red, Yeah, when saying with
hold up Santiago, Yeah, Santiago.
Speaker 2 (59:40):
You know when.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Santiago kept messing up and the ordered the cold red did.
Speaker 5 (59:46):
He got he got to go?
Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, he had a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom.
You weep for Santiago. You curse the Marines. You have
that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing why.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
I no.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives by existed in
grotesque and incomprehensive. Do you save lives you don't want?
The truth could deep down to places that parties you
don't talk about. You want me on that wall, you
need me on that wall. We use words like honor, cold, loyalty.
We use these words of a backbone of a lifetime
spent defending something. You use them as a points line.
(01:00:23):
I have at the time, nor the inclination to explain
myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the
blanket of freedom that I provide and then questions the
matter in which I provided. Come on, whether you said
thank you anyone on your way, or pick a weapon
up and standing posts. Either way, I don't give a
damn what you think you are entitled to did you
order the Cold Red? I did my job? Did you
(01:00:43):
order the cold Red? You don't run? I did, And
so that's what you're up against.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Hey, hey, uncle too. When I was in high school,
I don't know about job, but you know they had
they had they had an army people.
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
That set out yeah all TC.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah yeah. They try to recruit you coming out of
high school, right, yeah, join the army. So you know
you got your homeboy, they'll sign you up without even
telling you. So look, I got people calling my Joe Johnson.
Yes it is him, uh, you know, trying to recruit
me to come to the army. Boy, Please, I ain't
going on army. Look, I'm my mama's only child. I'm
gonna stand right.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
And then you wouldn't get oh Joe, And then Joe,
you wouldn't get drafted because you're the only son, right,
That's what.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I'm trying to tell you. I'm I told him that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
But if you got a bunch of songs, oh well
your ass grass, you can get off my line.
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
This that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Hey, hey, I don't mean to go off topic, but
but you you you you took theater.
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
You took theater in the artist like me, no, how
you how you know that whole that whole line.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Uh, I just have a I have an amazing ability
to recall him. For I've always had that ability, and
I think it came from my grandfather because he put
a lot of pressure on us because back then we
didn't have no cell phone. So my grandfather would get
somebody's number and you would say, tell it to them.
Two boys it would be and my brother, so we
would have he would tell us the guy or the
person would tell us the number, men spanking the number,
(01:02:16):
and we'd have to recall it once we got home. Now,
there are a lot of times we weren't going right home.
We go to somebody's house, so we go do something
else and by the time he get home, he's like,
hey boy, what was that number of such and such older?
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
And we'd have to recall it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
So ever since then, I've always been able to recall information.
And that's why like plays and stuff, I could just recall,
recall it. And so I've always had that ability to
have tremendous recall.
Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
And that's really dope.
Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
I don't think people understand how dope that is, the
fact that you can still recall that moment one of
the better scenes from that movie. Oh yeah, obviously the
most important scene that everybody recites the fact that you
can still recite it after all this time, and that
movie came out How Long Go and looked like a
damn teenage in that movie. Yeah, yeah, if I was,
(01:03:07):
you know, it's funny and and just if I was
able to do a movie right where it's a scene
that's very impactful and and and it has a lot
of meaning to it similar to that, it's it's a
little different. But any given Sunday when al Pacino gave
that speech the six inches remember that six inches speech? Yeah, man,
(01:03:28):
if I you know what, matter of fact, that's my homework.
That's my homework is that to watch that movie and
see if I can recite it when we do the
show Saturday.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
He uh.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Actually he followed Mike Shanahan around for real. Yep, Patrino
did Yep, to get rid of that practice.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Came to meetings.
Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
You see how Mike conducted is stead up in front
of the meeting, How you talked to us and things
like that. Yep, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Hey, that's six inches speech. Hey, Joe, I used to
play that sometime. You know, obviously before games to listen
to music. Sometimes my obviously I was more blues classical
type dude, you know, because I want my mind to
be calm. Yeah, so I remember there was a few
games I would listen to that sixth insan of speech.
They just gets you hyped up, Joe, It gets you
(01:04:14):
hyped up man already.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah, but I just I just had that ability to
call information. And it's a blessing and a curse. Sometimes
you remember everything because you know, were you in a relationship,
you remember everything else you can't remember that. You don't
remember where you was, you don't remember what you did,
who you were with.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Oh yeah I said that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
No, I mean you got that of the gun every day.
Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Hey, that's not a good thing you having it. That's
a gift and a curse. Now, the fact that you
can recall everything, because especially when it when it comes
to you know, having a partner and she know you know,
and don't forget nothing, man, Yeah to gifting the curse.
Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
And now you're out here playing done Yeah yeah, yeah,
Hey little love. Look y'all far from crazy, but you
could play crazy like like my like my pathers just
tell me I'm far from crazy, but I can play
crazy now. Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Yeah, that's what I asked.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
He's crazy. I'm like crazy, Like you're a chat crazy
or play play crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
You could have chat crazy. That's one thing crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I can deal it. No part of that.
Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
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came back and joined us. All of this is because
of you, and I personally can't thank you enough. What
you want to say with Joe, Wait a.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Minute, I'm listening to the numbers. The numbers is astonishing.
Now we barely into that in our second year. Now
we talk about thousands of thousands and thousands of other podcasts,
many that have started before us, and the fact that
we're thirteen that's tremendous.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
That is an amazing accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And obviously our success is all because of you that
continue to watch and support us. Y'all of the meat
and potatoes to why this thing is going the way
it is. And I want to thank you from the
goodness and the greatness of my heart and and and
and what we just started. And we're gonna get to
that number one spot.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
We're gonna were gonna get there, that's our goal.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Joe came on with us last year and uh to
do basketball, and he came back with us again this year.
So we want to thank Joe for being a part
of this. And uh uh A lot of people were
trying to get Joe, but Joe, he was looking for
the right situation, some way be himself, be comfortable and
talk about not only basketball, but he wanted to talk
about other topics as well. So we think Joe is
the perfect fit for Nightcap to be a big three
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that's on Wednesday night, and as I said, as we
move into the new year, hopefully Joe did want to
come on for an extra night.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But we'll see how that pans out.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh yeah, all you guys that's watching, that's listening, that
spread us, that spread Nightcap the word of mouth. Oh
Joe and I and Joe want to personally thank you
for your support and you'll continue support. But first we
got to start with some basketball. Joe Rich Paul time
with the Los Angeles Clippers, and I guess they say
the second time is not better than the first time.
Paul sent home by the franchise late last night, in
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the middle of a five game road trip CP three
rode on Ig just found out I'm being sent home.
The Clippers then are now saying that they had released Paul,
saying Chris is a legendary Clipper and had a historic career.
But I want to make one thing very clear. No
one is blaming Chris Paul for our underperformance. I accept
responsibility for the record we have right now, and there
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are a lot of reasons why we've struggled. We're grateful
for the impact Chris has made on this franchise. According
to Shams, chris leadership style clash with the team and
he had not spoken to ty Lou for several weeks.
Per Chris Haynes, Chris Paul requested a meeting with Lou
to discuss perception he was a negative presence on the team,
and Lou refused to meet. Joe, having played seventeen years
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in the NBA, had been one of the leaders at
a lot of different places. What do you deduce what happened?
And how did what seemed promising the second time around?
How did it go so bad so quickly? Well, Uncle Ocho,
sounds like to me. I played with obviously, I played
with toront Luke. He was a point guard here in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I had a chance to play with Chris Paul in
the USA and two thousand and six, and I played
with him in Houston. That that one year with James
Harden was just unbelievable and we lost to the Warriors game.
What was that seven to the win to the finals.
So I know I know both of these guys pretty well.
Uh Chris, Chris Paul is a point guard, is very bullheaded.
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You know, he is a national leader. So if he
sees something that he doesn't like or he don't think
that's that's helping the team. Man, he's obviously gonna voice that,
he's gonna say something. You know, he's just one of
those guys who can't help it. But Uncle Ocho, y'all know,
losing exposes a lot, Man, it exposes a lot. And
when you're getting your butt kicked night in and night out,
you know, I feel like you have to put the
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blame on someone. And unfortunately, you know, it seems though
even though they came out with statement and said Chris
is just has nothing to do with it. You know,
his our record is why we excusing him from the team.
But it's just a bad look, man on a guy
who's already who is a Hall of Fame point guard,
who's already said that this is last year planned, you
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know what I mean. So it's like, what was so
bad or egregious that he couldn't stick it out this
full year?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's that's yet to be determined. Obviously it'll take one
of those guys to kind of speak on it. But
it just seems like an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Man losing does a bill character. It reveals character and what.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Transpired, what transprit Let me tell you, Let me let
me tell you from a football perspective, and let me
know what you think. Joe, Yeah, you see, Chris Paul
has always been one of the two or three best
guys on the team. He's an All NBA selection, he's
an All DEMBIA, a defensive selection. He's one of the
top two or three point guards year and the year out.
You see, Oh, Joe and Joe, as you start to slip,
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your voice is not as loud and it can't be
is loud. So things that you would normally say when
you was All NBA, you was all defensive, You could
go to the coach, the man, the meeting and no problem.
You see, Oh Joe, you know this. The fifty third
man can't get a meeting with the head coach. The
one two, three four guy can get a meeting with
the head coach. And you see what transfired. Yeah, he's saying,
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what's going on? But nobody wants to hear that, Chris,
because you're not the player. You can't help us get
out of what's going on. This is what I take from.
This is what I take I think happened. This thing
went awry when they gave up all those picks for
Paul George and they moved heaven and earth to get Kawhi,
Leonard Kawhi had they won one championship. You see, Toronto
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gave up a lot to get Kawhi. It was well
worth it because what Joe, they won a championship. You see,
now the Clippers are farther away from winning a championship
than when they were before they even got Kawhi. Yes,
so now we're giving up all these picks. Y'all see
what Shaye doing on a nightly basis. Not only did
it win a championship, he's Finals MVP, the league MVP.
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And we had him, Joe, we had him. We had
a goose that was laying golden eggs, and we gave
him away. We made the biggest mistake, says ASoP, gave
us Kingdom away.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Four horse.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
That's what happens as you get old, and it happens
to all of us. Were all not gonna have the
same ability to go speak or to go knock on
the Boston door and have a conversation with him. It
will happen to us all. And that is what happened
to Chris Paul. Chris thought he was from out from
outside looking at in chat. I haven't talked to anybody.
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I have not talked to anybody. So I'm just saying
from my standpoint, yes, Chris is looking at himself. He's
Chris Paul and CP three in name only, not in play.
So if you can't produce the same way, you can't
expect to have the same kind of leeweight.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You can't be that critical.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Because you could be critical when he was that guy,
when he was in New Orleans or all these other
place where he's in Houston and he's a whole KC.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
You could have that. Yeah, when you.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Play eight ten minutes a night, guys, you don't get
that kind of you don't get that kind of leeway.
You don't have that kind of luxury. That's what I
deduce from what happened in this situation.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
A Joe and Uncle.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I'm curious obviously with Chris Paul. With Chris Paul playing
as long as he's playing, being a seasoned veteran in
the game, understanding what it takes to win. The Clippers
have had mishaps obviously with the trade, which with Shay
and other things not going right with the Kawhi trade.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Why not why not he not be able.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
To express themselves and say, this is what you what
we need to do if you want to see things
go in the right direction. Why would they not listen
to him? Why would they not take heed to what
he's saying? Does management or do the people in positions
of power have that much of ego? Are they that
prideful to let someone that has put the kind of
work that Chris Paul is done in the league itself
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and being successful Hall of fame at that they won't
even just listen.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh so it sounds more like of how the message
is being delivered to me if you ask me, like,
it's a way you can still lead. Although he's coming
off the bench, he's trying to be that spark plug,
that lead off the bench. You know, he can't help,
you know, to get a little emotional probably, you know,
throughout this course of the season, man, it's been a
rough patch for the Clippers early. You know what I mean.
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I watched him play numerous of times, so I know
the frustration has set in. Like like I'm saying, when
emotions is high, logic is low, you know what I mean.
So they standon, had a meeting, he released the he
released the IG post at three in the morning, said
they were sending him home. From my understanding, they was
meeting up to that point. That's how long it took
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for them to kind of get an understanding. So it
ain't just clear cut and dry that they just let
him go like. It was more to the situation that
obviously that'll probably never get out to the public, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It was a situation, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Maybe there was certain It's hard for me to believe
this is an isolated ancident, This is a one time thing.
Maybe Chris being the vocal leader everywhere he's being, was
being vocal.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Maybe he was being a little too vocal. Oh Joe,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
A special Teams guy is not gonna say Marvin, I
need to talk to you, and Marvin opened his door.
That's not happening. You could do that. Carson could do that.
Voluntee Burfett could do that.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
MH.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You have to understand that in the pecking order, everybody
doesn't Bill Davis. Bill Davis, my college coach, told me
one time. He showed the team one time. He said,
I'm an cheat to treat y'all all fair, but I'm
not gonna treat you the same.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Do it that a chat? Do with that what you want?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You know, on the job, the boss might treat y'all
all fair, but some of y'all said, well, he got
favorite X, Y and Z, but they don't treat you
all the same. Kawhi get privileges. I remember Paul Jordan
even had a conversation. That's what Rob pat bailed them
the wrong way. Them guys coming late. We got a hold.
We can't start practice, we can't take off on the bus,
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we can't take off on the plane. Well, that's what
happens when you're one of the two star players. You
get listened to. When you're not the star player and
you're not even playing fifteen twenty minutes a night, it's hard.
First of all, the guys are not gonna listen to
you to save or Joe that guy that oh Joe.
How many times the special team guys said, come on,
(14:32):
oh Joe, let's go. You looking at him like, if
you don't sit your ass down to get out my face,
I can't tell you what somebody told me.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I'm telling you what I know.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Absolutely absolutely he At the same time, you know, I
know CP he understands like, Okay, I got a great
relationship with James Hard and I got a good relationship
with Kawhi Leonard. He ain't if it's really something that
wrong or you know, something that's really messing with him,
I'm sure he would go to them and hey, look, man,
we gotta go talk to coach. We gotta go talk
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to t Lou. He'll go to James Harden, He'll go
to Kawhi. We need to go talk to t Lou
about this situation. Man, Hey, we gotta be better here.
We gotta be better that. I just can't see him
over going over James Harden and Kawhi and then just
going straight to the source being like, hey man, we
got an x y Z you know what I mean?
Like I think I think he has I know he
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has more sense in that, and obviously his value and
his say so into this through those dudes, obviously it
will be heard, you know a lot better as though
it's just coming from him. So I really I'm not
sure what really got him to this point. But like
I said, man, I've watched him play a few times
and it hasn't been pretty.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The man getting D and p's healthy scratches. It's only
a matter of time. That is the prideful man. That
man has played twenty with twenty one NBA season, Joe,
like I said, he's a top seventy five player all time.
Hut that sink in for just a second.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Chat.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
He's getting healthy D and PS, D and P healthy scratch, DMP,
healthy scratch, not an injury, not coaching decision, healthy stratch.
So now is telling you now, I don't, Like I said,
I don't know. Maybe you know, Hey, y'all need to
do this. Y'all need to do that. Man, it's kind
of hard to tell somebody something when you're not doing
(16:18):
it or you can't help us do it. Yeah, but
this situation is bigger than Chris Paul because the Clippers
right now, Chat and y'all know this, and everybody that's
listening to us know this. The Clippers are farther away
from winning a championship right now than when they were
before they got Kawhi. Kawhi injuries has helped harmed this team.
Giving up all those draft picks. Do you know, Oto,
(16:40):
but ok see Thunder still get the clippers number one
draft pick in twenty six. Think about that, all those
picks they got, they built this roster.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
They built a team that's.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Set for the next decade thanks to the Clippers. Thanks
to the Clippers.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Yeah, they missed. They missed big time. This is more
than miss.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I'm not sure I can think of another word, you know,
to to definitively describe what the Clippers did when they.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Let Shay go.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
And Uncle, I asked, I mean Joe, I asked Uncle
this or earlier. Most of the time, if you if
you can see you know, scouts and gms, there's there's
a there's a visual where you can tell a player
special because certain players look better than other players, even
if they're young and they're just coming to your team,
you can already see the promise and the potential in them.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
So I asked, Uncle, well.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
How the hell they even let Shake get out the
goddamn building anyway? When he's as special as he is,
You're not gonna tell me, Oh, he's with the Clippers,
and he's like, I you know what I think we
can we can do without this individual. And then all
of a sudden, he goes to Oklahoma and looks like
he does now one of the best in the league.
O Joe, Hey, Judy, maybe one depending on who you
(17:49):
god damn asked, based on preference on the position and
play you actually liked.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
So what the hell was the Clippers looking at?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Dang, they didn't see this, bro, So this they see.
They knew he was gonna be special. They knew he
was gonna be special. But Ojo, I promise you, they
ain't see this, bro. They didn't see I'm gonna be
honest with you. I ain't see this. I thought he
was a hell of a player, right, but the mega
starring on that he's jumped himself into the consistency that
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he plays with and being reliable night in and night
out with thirty plus points at night obviously, the one
championship looking like they gonna repeat.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, yea man and boys twenty one and one man.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yes, he couldn't be this. You know why he couldn't
be this because he wasn't gonna be number one with Kawhi.
You see he's the unquestioned leader in Okay. See, so
now if you bring Kawhii in, Kawhi gotta get the ball.
Yeah no, and Kawhi made it be Let it be known.
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If you don't make this deal to get Paul George,
I'm going to side with the Lakers and after the
Davids and James, and if you're the Clipper, you cannot
allow that to happen because they already had Lebron. Now
they got another superstar and after the day was the
pair with him, and you want them to get a
third win.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Hey, and not only that, Uncle Ojo, Kawhi and Paul
George as two La kids. They are in California. So yeah, now,
I'm sure they wanted to do anything they could to
make that possible because I'm sure they thought they was
gonna win the title. Now, I think with Shaye, with
him being traded, it put a little more often and
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to be a better player, to be a bass leader,
you know what I mean, Like, Okay, they traded me,
all right, bet I'm gonna show him. So I think
a lot of that is kind of oozing him as well.
And from getting traded, bro, you learn a lot about
a lot of people, and not only that yourself. I
think that that helped catapult him into a start. But
he's like, all right, every I'm gonna continue to get
better and better and better next year, you know, not
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the MVP. Now we don't won the championship. Now he's
working on our second one. You just you don't. You
never know how things play out. If he's stay in
LA you know, if he's complacent, if you know what
I mean. It's just so many different variables that come
in that come into play. It's like, bro, ain't no
way y'all could have seen his man, know.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
He could, he wouldn't have been what he is because
he wouldn't have had the ball like he does.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
He has the ball.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So you mean to tell me you're gonna bring kawhii
and give him all of that, make all those concessions,
and you think you're gonna turn that ball over to
somebody else. It's not gonna happen. It's not nah, And
so now he was able to play free O Joe.
Look at everybody knows who's the number one guy on
ok see Shaye Okay, jub okay chat everybody else falling
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the line but there's only one.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You can't you gotta have you gotta have a pecking order.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That was kind of what happened in Okay. See wasn't
a Joe. Yeah with Kevin Durant in russ You see
what happened. Yeah, now you have no issue O Joe
saying no. I was like, look here if like your
girls said, look, you know, you know there's a possibility,
she said. But if you don't do what I asked,
I want moving me in. I'm moving in with him
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and we right next door to you. That's what the
Clippers was under the gun.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
O Joe.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
What choice did they have? You got Lebron James, you
got the biggest name in the NBA, with the biggest
franchise in the NBA, and they just got Anthony Davis.
So now you have no choice to give him everything
that he's asking for. I want this, I want that,
I want this, Okay, okay, And if you don't, he
told him plat out. It's being reported that he told
(21:34):
him plat out. If you don't get Paul George, I'm
going with the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, that's that's crazy. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Now he got hurt. They got to the getting to
the championship game, he get hurt. You remember that the game? Oh, Shoe,
what what I mean, Joe? They beat Utah if they got,
if they got and then they have Remember that first
game against Phi Kawhi goes, Hey, why you get hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
In that series? That's the only reason why they lost
that series. I think if he wouldn't have got hurt
in that Phoenix because Phoenix went on to the finals.
They year, Yes, if they ended up losing to UH Milwaukee,
but they had a two zero lead and then lost
four straight. Yeah, but I just think, I just think
the thing is for me looking at it from the outside,
looking from outside, and I'm not inside looking out being
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a player and an older player.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Uh. I give a prime example, what's going on in Pittsburgh.
Gohoe and the quarterback say, guys, they ain't coming to
meeting that he called. Yeah, I'm just saying, he said,
you know, we asked guys to come by.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Let's be critical of ourselves.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Right, And that's that That's that's crazy. I mean, just
just just thinking about it, what Chris Paul is accomplished. Yeah,
being a seventy being a part of that seventy five
how you said seventy.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Five diversity five greatest players play.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
One of the seventy five greatest players of all time,
a definitely Hall of Famer, still doesn't have the weight
despite not being as valuable as he once was, where
his word means nothing at this point, and that's that
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I give another example. Look at Tom Brady. Tom Brady
was the oldest player in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But what was he doing?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
O Joe producing at extremely high level. Chris Paul wasn't
producing at that level to have that kind of bull
that megaphone, that megaphone voice. Yeah, you see, I'm just
telling you how it goals. Yeah, And people say, well,
what didn't know? But I was still producing at a
high level. I was still right there. I was one
or two on the team, lead in yards and catches,
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so I was still producing at a high level. Chris
Paul a twelve time All Star, six times Steel Champ,
All Rookie Defensive, nine time All Defensive, seventy fifth Anniversary TINAE,
five time Assists Champ, eleven time All Being NBA two
thousand and five, six A Rookie of the Year twenty twelve,
thirteen All Star game MVP. So the resume, but you
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gotta update that resume with Joe. Yeah, when was the
last time you saw when the last time we saw
him an All Star game?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Joe, It's been it's been a while. Well, he like,
he likes. He likes second or third in the history
of the game and assists.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Right, Uh. I think he third. I think he third
behind Stockton and Kid.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Okay, mmm, that's that's crazy and it is funny. It's funny.
It's funny.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
This happens all the time, just not in sports, in
life in general.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Okay, well, he passed, he passed, He passed Jake Kidd.
Yeah he's second.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's a hell of a feat that boy.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yes, yes, Oh that's crazy, Bron.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Joe to a different Joe.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You know, Look, you were what you had accomplished at Atlanta.
That's Atlanta. When you go into a different situation, you
move very, very differently every single different situation you went
into until you found out the landscape of the land.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You just can't be that same person.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah, unless you unless you're that guy.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Lest you Lebron James to go to Miami. He tried
to take him back. See d Way said, bro. In
order for us to do what we need to do,
you got to be him. He goes back to Cleveland.
It's a no brainer. He takes over. Maybe that rubbed
some of the guys the wrong way. He goes to
l A. Well, he's the best player on the team,
the best player on the team coming in. It's understood.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
What's understood, doesn't need to be explained.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But when you what not the first, not the second,
not the third, not the fourth, not the fifth. Best
and another mistake that made they keep making mistake after mistake,
and they keep compounding it. You gave up a Norman
Powell who it should have been an All Star last
year for Bradley Beal.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Bradley Bill done for the rest of the.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Year, that boy averaging what hey, the season just.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Started, Yeah it ended for him.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Old he heard him. I think he hurt his knee
or something, but he done. Yeah, I think it's just him.
Yeah that Hey, hey, Norman Powell over that everything about
twenty four to twenty five a.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Game in absolutely absolutely damn Yeah. You see when you
make a mistake, O Joe, and you compounded, Yes, you brought.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I'm trying to figure. I just Joe helped me understand this.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Joe.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
They saw him in that situation in Phoenix Phoenix Book
and k D he couldn't be third fiddle.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You know what, he'll be a better third fiddle here
behind Kawhi and James Harden.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I think what the Clippers were thinking. Ok Ojoe, Okay,
we bring Bradley Bill over. He still got some youth
in him. He's a little younger than Harden, and in
Kawhi gonna miss a lot of games. We know that
we gonna need a guy who can step in and
maybe get h.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I say, a guy that can step in a score.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, we gonna need a guy who step in to
give us eighteen to twenty five a night. I think
that's what the Clippers were banking on. And obviously due
to injuries, man, he you know, he just ain't been
able to Brandy Bill was never able to deliver that
for the Clippers, so it put him in a tough mind.
Harden has been playing great all year, but it's been
hard because outside of Zuba. You know, when Kawhi does play,
(27:35):
you know, he does give him great minutes, but they
don't have no chemistry continuity. You can kind of see
it when they play, you know what I mean. So uh,
and it's just it just it just hasn't worked this
year for him.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Man, damn, it hasn't. It hasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But Joe, I've tried to figure out, how did they
expect somebody to get healthier as they get older.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Look at Brandley Bill's history the last couple of years,
he's been hurt.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I know they tried. They was optimistic. They try to
give him a try. It's like, hey, listen, okay, we
we we we understand that he ain't performed well in Phoenix,
but we're gonna give him another chance. Look this chance
we giving him, it ain't gonna really cost us nothing.
On top of that, we try to bring in CP
because if not, then you gotta pay Norman pound Max
(28:19):
dollards to stay close to Max dollars to stay. So
I think they were trying to avoid that too. So yeah,
they were trying to cut corners.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And Pile has gotten better and better, and now you
see him. When Tyler Hero was out, he was cooking.
He could I mean, hey, he can take you off
the dribble, he can spot up, he can shoot the
three off the drunk. I mean, and now he got
they got Tyler Hero back. It's just it's just been
one thing after another for the Clippers, and unfortunately, I
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think that window has slammed shut with Kawhi because Kawhi
is never gonna.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Give you enough games Joe to mount anything.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And then when you least he can play back to backs,
and in the playoffs, you're playing every you play it
every other day.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
What you said, after you get past game three.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
It's tund it's trying to blow it up. Get get
some get some uh some draft capitals.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
You got how many more years?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Because how many more years they got on Kawhi because
they just gave Kawhi a new deal. Many you gave
Kawhi new deal you walked away from Paul George, which
looks like a good thing now, because they wanted to
do a three year deal. Paul wanted that extra fourth year.
Philly's gonna be kicking their own self in the ass.
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But Philly's gonna be kicking themselves and the ass with
Joe Labid also because he got damnedar two hundred million
in the next three years coming.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
But look, go ahead, Philip Philly. Philly ain't got a
they they got.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I blow it up. I mean, I build. I'm feeling
around Max and Edgecumbe.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
They got a decent problem because they got some young
boys on that team, and Philly who's gonna go get
EMBD and and and Paul George ain't playing. They got
some boys out there who will go get yep. I
enjoyed watching them. What's the guy that come up come
off the bench? MAXI O your Quinn Grimes? Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So they got some promises, they got some promise over there.
The is don't have to do something, man, I don't
know what they gotta do. They gotta do something.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Hey, what what's what's what's the issue? I know Joel
embiid is his knee. His knee is bothering them with
Paul George. Paul George need too yep.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah. I think he had a procedure. And I think
he had a procedure right for the season started too.
It's kind of set in mount some more okay.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And you got you got two more years and damn near.
I think he signed a four years, two hundred and
twelve million dollars. Yeah, so you you you see what
you You see what you're looking at right on your You
look at about fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Joel Embiid got three years, almost two hundred million. I got.
He's out. Can't play back to back.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
They're already saying, Joel Embiid is not playing back to back.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Guess what. He's getting older, He's getting heavier.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Like I said, I've never seen somebody get healthy as
they got older.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah, and Kawhi needs bad too.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Huh what bad?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Worse than mine?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Man?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Hey, love, Look, the only difference is I'm fifty seven.
He not even thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
A wise man once told me, the older you get, man,
the lighter you got to be to play this game.
It's a young absolutely. This was pat Riley. When I
played in Miami Ojo for a couple of months. Me
and him said out. He was like, Joe, the older
you get, the lighter you have to be to play
this game, man, it's a young man's game, right.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I told you.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
As I started getting older the league, I got lighter
and lighter, light and lighter.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
All of a sudden, it was two thirty two, then
it was two thirty one, then it was twenty nine,
Then it was twenty eight, then it was twenty six.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
You see, yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Hey ojo. I always tell people, man that the older
that we get, the harder it is to play the
games that we love because we have to work a
lot lot harder than somebody who's younger. You know what
I mean. Yes, Like as we age and you get
in your forties, your fifties, just a gear for a
basketball game, Hey man, you can't be out there playing.
You got to You got to stretch, warm up. You
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gotta make sure that body rightful. You put on that freeway.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So I get it. You gotta eat, Joe. You gotta
two things need to happen, one of the other and
sometimes both. You gotta work out harder and eat less.
Sometimes you gotta do both of them. Now you gotta
work out harder and eat less. Yeah, you gotta. Can
I do one of the others? Do I gotta do both?
Or boff? Both?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Ain't nowhere around it. You got to do both. You
have to eat. You have to eat less and work
out harder. That's the way it goes, Like your training has.
I tell my son this all the time. I know
you're a lot younger, but I tell I say, man,
your training has to be far harder than the game itself,
you know what I mean. So when you do play,
you can make it look easy. You know what I mean?
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If you train hard and going hard, sweating, he got
your heart rate Like, that's what you want because when
you touch the floor, the court or the field, man,
you wanted to look easy. Bro.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, Joe y'all did in bad at night. You know
they're in Atlanta. Hawks fan erupted, where's Chris Paul? Oh man,
where's Chris Paul?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
He's from right up the street, North Carolina. I bet
there's a lot of people that they see him play.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah. Yeah, they did.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
A number on us tonight too, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I think they did a number on the Hawks to night.
The Clippers did. I don't know, I know, Uh yeah, man,
they got us one fifteen to ninety two.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Damn damn man.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Jalen Johnson been playing out his damn minded He didn't
play tonight. That was that was that was the problem.
Oh okay, now it makes sense then. Yeah, that boy
man he been bothering. He gonna be an all side
of shit too. Yeah, he played like an all star.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Man, them young them young guys are really doing the number, man.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
They are. Yeah, they got some guys out there that's
playing hard. But I don't want people to lose sight
of trade not being out there. Man, he's definitely gonna
be needed because he to me, Uncle o Jo, he's
the factor. He's the guy who can win you a series,
who can get you to the next round. Like, yeah,
it looks great now. You know, throughout the regular season
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we winning games. But man, look when he getting knuck
cut in time, you know, we gonna we need a
guy who'd have been there and know what it takes, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Jamal Murray had a monster game, Joe. He had fifty
two points. He was nineteen or twenty five from the floor,
ten of eleven from the.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Three, hold on nineteen for twenty five.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, man, fifty two, Hey boy, he was efficient to night.
Hey when when Uncle Ojo, when Jamal Murray playing like that,
it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
They hard. You can't you can't beat them.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
You can't beat them because look yok still had twenty
four points, a rebound, thirteen assists, So he's still gonna
give you his triple double. Now, if you get somebody
chip in, that's gonna give you forty to fifty.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Eric, think about it. Aaron Gordon's out go look back
and look at Aaron Gordon. Since he got there and
they won the championship, He's been better, shooting the ball
from outside, played outstanding defense.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He's that third option.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And had he not got it had been very interesting
to see, Joe, what would have happened, What could have
happened had he not gotten injured that Game seven against KC.
Next topic, Janni's ante Takunpo is unhappy with the Bucks organization.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
He deleted all mention of the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
From his social media pages on Tuesday, and Brian ren
Horse revealed Jannis had asked to be traded uh to
the New York Knicks during the offseason. H Jannis's agent,
Alex Sassatistic saratis it sounds.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Greek that they.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Reportedly have begun discussion with Milwaukee regarding his future and
resolution is expected within the next few weeks.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Joe can let me start this. Joe, I ain't got
no problem goud wanting to leave.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But what I got a problem with guys doing is
taking shots at guys when they leave. You know what
I remember when Yanni said, I don't want to go
somewhere else and team up with somebody else. I want
them to come to Milwaukee, because see, everybody was taking chance.
Say Lebron when he went to Miami, everybody, I ain't
calling no name, but everybody has something to say, and
I big damn if everybody that has something to say,
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look at be careful, You'll become the very thing you despise.
My grandpa used to always say this, Joe, be careful, boy,
you'll become the very thing you despise most in a person. Yeah,
because you because you hate a liar, you will become one.
You hate a thief, you will become one. You hate
a cheat, you will become one. Be careful, boy, you'll
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become the very thing you despise the most in a person.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Not look at him now, but uncle, he frustrated.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Lebron was.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
For everybody had something to say, right right, Joe, Oh, Joe.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I ain't got no problem with God. I wanting to
go none whatsoever. But guess what Lebron did. Guess what
KD did. Now they traded KD. I don't know if
KD wanted to go. Lebron played every last contract out.
He was done with Cleveland, his contract that ended, he
went to Miami. He gave Miami four years. He went
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back to Cleveland for four years. He's been in LA
now seven eight years, played out every last contract. But
everybody took their shots. I don't go I don't want
a team up with somebody else. I want to be
right here. Okay, yeah, wait listen, Now you want to
go to the Buck, Now you want to go to Knicks.
What's the next guy? Jaylen Bronson, Karl Land, through the towns,
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Michale Bridges, oh g Ananoby, Mitchell Robinson.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Now, obviously you gonna have to get some of those
guys up.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
But n And the funny thing about it is it's
easy to say all the right things when you're winning.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
It's easy to say all the right things when you're happy.
That's the easy part, Joe, huh.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
I mean it's easy to smile and look at other
people that you see bounced around and and doing things
that God damn it, doing things that you wouldn't do,
doing things that you wouldn't do.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Because I'm just go to my laptop camera. Man, I'm
sick of turning this thing off off and on.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I know KD was not traded to the Warriors. KD
was traded KD traded to the was traded to UH Phoenix,
and was traded to the Rockets, So he was traded twice.
Chat Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, O Joe, No, no,
I was finished.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I'm just saying, I mean every everyone, everyone. When when
things are convenient, you know, when the opportunity you're in
at that moment, you're happy, well god, yeah, you're.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Gonna say everything under the sun.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
When you see someone else doing something that you probably
wouldn't do, the many things go sour for you, and
inside the house started to stink. What's the first thing
you want to do? Oh man, I got it. I
got to get up out of here, and you forget
about everything you said about somebody else that would doing
the exact same thing.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
You ready to do? You ready to stinking house because
it's smelled.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Joe.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Was that sitting at the Joe asking to see you
this this thing with Yanni's injuredous cat.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Did you see when he just.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
He just sent there ain't ain't nothing wrong with him,
ain't nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
They won, but he didn't play. But like three four minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
But I want you to see this, Joe Temper.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
What you're thinking, Okay.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
It was a non contact, non contact.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Hold on what you're trying to say?
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Uh no, he he just went down.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
He was down. I don't want you to look at it, Joe,
That's all I'm saying. I want you to look at it.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Ain't nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Ain't listen. But what happens? What happens when that girl
on Instagram started taking them pictures down and hunt a boyfriend?
Speaker 1 (39:44):
All, it's over a rap. That's over a rap, asked,
said she sent it to you. I G it's over,
you know, And and that's the thing that's why you Hey, look,
y'all need to be first of all, you need to
be really really locked in to start posting. Y'all date somebody.
Y'all go out of one day and you already got
him up. My heart, my rib my backbone. God gave
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me everything I asked for, and a week later, I
guess God took it back.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
You know, ain't showing up. I can't what's this on? X?
Speaker 3 (40:20):
You sitting on Twitter? Yes? You sent you a Twitter
link on Instagram?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Damn it ain't showing h Joe.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Young Joe don't know how to work technology.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Uh oh, he works to be out, Oh Joe, chill
cheer yeah, yeh cheer cheer chih yeah yeh.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Hey. Look, I am about as bad as though.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
For I'm trying to figure out, uh, I'm trying to
figure out where these guys be coming up with these
injuries now, everybody getting cam strings, oh Joe in the NFL, the.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
N B, A m l B. I'm like, damn, but listen,
you know what I listen. I ain't even gonna say nothing. Man,
I ain't even say every time I say something, everybody laugh.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Tell me be quiet.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Okay, hold on, hold on, hey, hey, hold on, because
that's a non contact injury, and it's just like, ain't
nobody touching him? He just went.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
You know, you know what it is?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
He frustrated.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
When you start hearing rumbling, when you start hearing rumblings
about somebody in a relationship, Oh Joe, it's just a
matter of time because somebody done saying something to somebody,
and somebody will put that information out.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yes, sir, Hey, hey, this might be a little more
serious than what we think though.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Okay, Ojo, what that injury that ain't no injury are
you talking about on the inside?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
You know what I'm saying, like, Joe. But here's the thing, Joe,
let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
You go down like that and the training staff don't
come over, your teammates come help you up?
Speaker 5 (41:54):
Come on, Joe, you know what that is? I can
I can tell you what I can tell you what
that is.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I'm just I'm saying, Joe, when you went down, did that?
Did the trainers down come or did your teammates come
get you?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Can I tell you what that was? He Joe, can
I tell you what that was?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Joe?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I don't want to risk injury in myself and lessen
than my trade value. So I'm gonna go down and
pretend to have a non contact injury until they get
this trade in place.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Nah, I'm sorry, man, I don't see I don't think
Gianni's moved. He don't take me for that type of guy.
Now allow me the right to be wrong.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Well, Joe, I just told you inside the house is
smelled right now.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
I don't want to be inside the house while smell.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
That man worked too hard, bro he I don't see
that man just giving up on their team like that.
I think he I think this injury is far more
serious than what we can anticipate right now.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Joe, Joe, you don't want to bet none, Joe.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
I'm telling you, Joe, understand that most of the time,
most of the time, when you see an individual like that,
of course you will.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
They said it's his calf. Obviously, Oh Joe, they're gonna
do it. They're gonna do an m R. They're gonna
do a full battery of test. They said it was
his calf. They said, I guess they I guess. They
said the tendon, the tendant is intact. Yeah, yeah, it's
They said it was a calf string, O, Joe.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
So that's what we gotta go by.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
You know a lot of people like it.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Uh uh, you know sometimes when guys want to get
out of a situation. But like I agree with you, Joe,
I don't know. Yann's doesn't take me for that type
of a guy. But he doesn't take me for a
guy that wanted to be moved during the season. Exactly
what Cham's and what a windy Brian Windhorse is saying
that he asked.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
To be moving for the season. Yeah, so if if.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
What they're saying, if what they're reporting is true that
he asked out during the season because they got him
Dame in that situation that worked.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
They bought Dame out.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Now here's the thing, Myles Turner.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
He signed with Milwaukee to be with Yanni's there two
months and Yanni's won out and now he's stuck. He
could have stayed in in in indeed, but well listen,
if he already told you before the season, look, man,
I want y'all trade Man, y'all didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
We went with it. I'm not gonna give up on y'all,
but I still want y'all to know. Look, I don't
wipe my Instagram clean with y'all, y'all, so that one sign,
this one sign, ojo that one sign. Now next time
gonna be I'm just gonna have to go and come
public and tell.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
You, no, he WoT He definitely don't strike me off
that type of guy.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, I'm saying, if he really want to get out
of there, that's how he gonna be able to get out,
He's gonna have to he gonna have to voice it.
He gonna have to say it.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
So what you're gonna have to let me ask your question, though,
let's just say he wanted to go to the Knicks.
You're gonna have to give up Carl Anthony Towns. You're
gonna have to give up Mikel Bridges. You're gonna have
to give up Oh Giannanoby. You're gonna have to give
up Draft Picks. Is him and Jalen Brunson. Jayalen needs
the ball, Y'allni needs the ball? Is that enough?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I think if you New York, you try to find
a way to keep Brunting and Cat Oh no way, Yeah,
I say you want to try to find a way
to keep them too, because if you can keep them too,
and and him now yeah, and just kind of stay
out there on the three. He know he gonna shoot
threes anyway. You know what, you got, You a great
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rim roller, live thrower, downhill guy. But you're gonna probably
have to give up Michel and and and and O
g like you, You're gonna have to give up both
of them if you're giving up Cat, because I need
a superstar. And I'm not saying I think casts a star.
I don't think he's a superstar. But you're gonna have
to give up Cat.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Wow, man, Oh, I think Michael Bridges is fine. I
think o g but they ain't really selling no tickets
like that. Cat was the number one overall draft pick
I got. I got to have him because and and
and and and and with with uh Bronson and and uh.
Based on the Eastern Conference this year, that might be enough. Now,
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Orlando's gonna have something to say about that. Orlando's gonna
have something to say about that. When they get buying
Carroll Back and Wagner's playing, the Southern is playing the
way blackets playing.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
They got Wendell Carter. Oh no, no, no no, They're gonna
have something to say now.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Detroit gonna have something to say to Detroit, gonna have
something to say. Cleveland. I got to see Cleveland because
Cleveland do this to me every year. Donovan Mitchell do
this to me every year. He get me so damn
hype and then he let me die. It's it's it's
the in Cleveland is more of Darius Garland for me.
If he can stay healthy and be that guy next
to Donovan. Yeah, but if he can't stay healthy, it's
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like he'd be out there fighting against four five different
dudes by himself.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
It's just it's too much it's too much.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
I just think I just think the Cat's gonna be
a part of any trade. Now you got Josh Hart, uh,
but I think I think Cat, McHale, Bridges and and
and O G.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
I think they're getting those guys that.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Said if you Milwaukee, yes, you won't Cat. If you're
the Knicks, you want to try to keep Brunton and
Cat and I don't know how you do that and
bring you in Giannis, but you want you want to
try to keep them to to have with him because
just him and Braxton.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
I want Hi about the East. I send him to
the West. Okay, who got something from in the West?
Mm hmm? I want him in the East. Why would
I do that? And I got to see this man
at least four times. You're Joe, he done brought you
a championship and we played him handsomely. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I don't know what else y'all want from because they're
not gonna They're not a championship in spying team right now.
So I don't really know what you want from him.
I mean, at some rights, you know, at some point,
all good things got to come to an end, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
And listen to ye he asked por trade at the
beginning of the season, and the fact that, hey, listen,
the fact that obviously we all known people who who
you would think would never do certain things and do
something not of character, something that's very uncharacteristic of who
they present themselves as publicly. Yeah, yes, okay, when it come,
when this comes out, and I tell y'all, this is
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his way out that there's nothing wrong with him. He's
going to make sure that he doesn't lose trade value
by injuring himself.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
Right now, I guarantee you, and I want, I want,
I want those apologies.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
For what about this?
Speaker 2 (48:17):
O Joe?
Speaker 3 (48:18):
What about to the Mavericks Anthony Davis and another.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Player Anthony David, Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Anthony Davis, Klay Thompson in the first round pick?
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Milwaukee ain't taking that. Milwaukee ain't taking that. Okay, now,
if I'm Milwaukee, I ain't even taking that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Well, you WoT hey, Joe, Oh Joe, you hear what
he's saying. But he WoT the Knicks to give up
a Bridges and og and keep Cat. So Cat, Johannis
and and Bronson, you're gonna you're gonna have to give
up o g Uh, Robinson, Michale Bridges, some draft picks.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
They gonna want Cat. I'm gonna tell you they gonna
want Cat.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Yeah, I'm I'm cured. I'm curious to see how this
is gonna play out. This is Cat, This is interesting.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
They probably do want them. But if I'm the Kniggs,
I'm trying, like you know what, not to give him up.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Right, It's tough, and I think the thing is Joe
and O Joe is that we've got to get out
of this notion. Man, Barry would have never requested the trade.
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Magic would have never Jordan of this one. It is
a new day, It is a new era. I never
would have thought eggs would cost eight dollars an effing dozen. Man,
I never thought cigarettes would be ten twelve dollars a pack.
It is a different time. You got to think differently.
You can't use that same he would have never were done. Yes,
my grandmother and people's grandmother stayed through no matter what.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
It wasn't no divorce.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Now, hey, at the slightest I'm out of here, deuces.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
So we've got we've got to stop this notion. Our
our former great players wouldn't do this because it's a
new day social media. The landscape of professional sports is
different now. It really, it really is. And so heyst
(50:35):
involved with the Times. Joannis in New York could be crazy?
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Oh no, god, yeah, that that'd be nasty.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
What Johannis and Wenby with Castle?
Speaker 2 (50:50):
See they got they do san Antonio got some ancense.
They got some guys over there who Milwaukee wouldn't mind taking.
They got a few of them over there.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
That's not fair, now, what's not how you're gonna have
Yiannis and wouldn't be on the same goddamn team.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Come on, man, hey man, they got they got some
guys to give up who can come over to Milwaukee
and make some things happen.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah they do. Yeah, I think. Look, I think there's
gonna be some guys. Would I be shocked if John
got traded?
Speaker 4 (51:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (51:23):
If I would I be shocked if you got traded?
Speaker 4 (51:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna be shocked either one
of those guys get moved. Both places are kind of like, Yeah,
I've seen enough. Josh stays hurt and he ain't learned
this lesson. Yeah, Hey, hey.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Listen, hey, Joe, I know I know where're gonna learn
this lesson at where? It ain't nothing like coming on
down here to the to this military base. Down here,
are you on some structure?
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Discipline?
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Come on down here this military base. It's just like
just like the Marines. We're gonna get you right.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Hey, Hey, I don't mind the shake up, uncho. You know,
I don't mind seeing guys on the move, you know,
especially some of these big names. So I think need
a fresh start. Yeah, change job playing in Miami. Yeah,
and that's a different animal, Ocho.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm worried. I'm listen. I'm gonna make sure
you stay focused.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
No, Joe'll tell you what you you went to someone
that was somewhere that was really structured. How different was
it for you where you couldn't be yourself? How was
different was that for you playing in New England as
opposed to Cincinnati where you got to be o Jo
Sinko and when you went to Newton you had to
be Chad Johnson.
Speaker 5 (52:38):
I mean, it was it was cool. It was cool.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
It was it was cool, and it's that that experience
for me, honestly, being and I understood my role once
I got there.
Speaker 5 (52:48):
I wasn't never be Ocho.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
You hear me, Joe, Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
There to be that chat of old where I had
the shoulder the brunt of everything on my shoulders when
it came to us from an offensive perspective. When I
got there, boy, they was loaded. So in my mind,
I'm like, well, what the hell y'all brought me here for.
There's only one receiver that I know that went to
New England who can play on the outside and was
(53:13):
able to dominate about to go crazy, and he's one
of the best all time, and I don't compare now
where close to that individual.
Speaker 5 (53:22):
So I's in a way I was there.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
I was at peace for what you want me to do, okay,
and I definitely wann't fing to complain, you know, because
I understood.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
I understood that patriotate. I understood that. So I went
in there. Hell you got you got grownk Joe. Look
who they got Joe, they got Gronk, they got Aaron Henandez,
they got Wes Welcome, they got Julian Edelman, Dion Branch.
Speaker 5 (53:49):
It was it was one mode, It's it's somebody else.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I'm like, well, God, what man, what.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
They they traded me here and they got only god damn,
they got everything.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
But you want to lead your imprint though, you want
to lead your imprint though you you want to contribute,
You want to be a factor on the squad, you.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, it wasn't like you was there like I'm just chilling.
Speaker 5 (54:11):
No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I mean, you know I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
I want to.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
I'm a competitor, Joe. But but Joe, you know, it
wasn't going how I wanted to go.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
And boy, I wanted finish. Say now, goddamn word, but hey,
not not over there?
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (54:25):
Hey, Joe, I remember I remember Randy saying something in
the media I think about, you know, contraction right right on.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
It was like contraction by money.
Speaker 5 (54:33):
Boy, Joe, he was going in twenty four hours. Oh
hell hell nod.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
If I'm not mistaken, I think they traded him back
to they traded him back to Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
If the Minnesota traded him to Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
Tennessee, hey, Joe, he coming off of twenty three, twenty
three toestdown season, Brock twenty three toestdown season, they know
I would love to be compensated a little bit more
if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was after the That might have been.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
He was traded before you got to Ojo so coause
two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight. I think
he got traded in two thousand and nine back to Minnesota. Yeah,
because remember o Jo, he sat out and then he
ended up going to San Francisco and San Francisco went
to the Super Bowl and played the Ravens.
Speaker 5 (55:17):
Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Yeah, this is joe One thing about it. It was
a wonderful experience. It was a wonderful experience. And I think,
honestly for Joah being in that structuring environment where it's
a little bit more tight knit, you know, having someone
like pat Riley who rules with the iron fist, it
can be a good thing for him and adding that
structure that he doesn't and that discipline doesn't have right now,
(55:42):
or that many may think he doesn't have right now.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Ojo, that Miami culture that Heat coached. Let me tell
you something, man, they got pre practiced before practice. Yes,
and if practice is at eleven, pre practice is at
about nine thirty ten o'clock, Yeah, that ain't They ain't
walking in and now that's ready to go on the floor. Yeah,
you got d Wade u d. All these dudes are
(56:06):
in pre pre practice. So everybody's in pre practice. It's
just kind of it's just kind of the heat wave.
That's how it is. Man. It's like them dudes work. Man,
they put the work in, bro, they ain't looking for
nobody who's coming in And you two swagged out to
get in here two three hours before practice. Man, you're
trying to accomplish something.
Speaker 5 (56:24):
No, he like, he owned that. He owned that.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
You know that change the scene where you know that,
that's that's that's what he wants.
Speaker 5 (56:30):
You know, young boy. Young boy want to be great, okay, and.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
You know he can't. He can't do what he want
to do out there in Memphis. And Memphis is a
great place. Now, it's a great.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
Hard going to an unstructured being coming from an unstructured
environment being structured, it's hard. Yeah, it's hard, oh, Joe.
That's why the military. You can't. You can't be in
there without discipline. They get they're gonna break you. Do
(57:00):
you understand all the people that go ahead.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
I don't for to say the military, Joe, the Army,
the Marines, the Navy. You have no choice but to
have discipline, because one mistake there is no coming back.
This ain't called This ain't call of duty, Joe. One
mistake out there when it matters most, when it actually counts,
(57:22):
you don't get you. Once you get hit, that's you're done.
And then you're responsible for everybody else's life as well.
So you have no choice but to be structured and discipline.
You can't make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Like Colonel Jeffson asked, Kathy, have you ever put your
life in someone else's hands, man's man and ask him
to put you his life in your hands?
Speaker 3 (57:43):
We follow rules or men die.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:48):
Hey, I don't even I don't even like the sound
of that.
Speaker 5 (57:51):
That's too much pressure.
Speaker 4 (57:53):
I don't even like those expectations in the way it sounds, Joe,
look like the way it sound. I don't want to
be responsible for your life sometimes, Joe.
Speaker 5 (58:03):
Uh, you know, And.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
I'm talking about on a smaller scale where it's not
life or death like in life.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Football, in basketball, where you ask the man that's playing
next to you to put his trust in you that
you're gonna do what you're supposed to do. Okay, you
ask that man that's on the court next to you, Joe,
to put his trust in you and you put your
trust in him. You're right, it's not to the magnitude
of life for death, but wins and losses, and it
feels like life and death because a lot of times
when you're losing, it's worse than death because you gotta
(58:31):
wake up the next day.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
Come on, now, Yeah, so much processing losses a lot
harder than others.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (58:37):
Yeah, absolutely definitely.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, the more you put into it, the harder.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
It is, absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
We understand their casualties, you know. A but.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
I just I could have been to the military because
I grew up very disciplined, ary structured, so it's been
nothing for me. You definitely can definitely go because Barti player,
Bardi Porter would have it any other way, no other way.
Speaker 4 (59:08):
Yeah, A Joe, A Joe now that now not that
on on the topic obviously, keeping everything in the context
and perspective. Talk about going to the military, Joe, you
saw full metal jacket.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
I have, but I can't really remember him.
Speaker 4 (59:21):
Private power private today. I would have been private power.
Were put in the military, I'm private power.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
I'm mess.
Speaker 5 (59:31):
Oh that's that's a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
When they ordered the cold red, Yeah, when saying with
hold up Santiago, Yeah, Santiago.
Speaker 2 (59:40):
You know when.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Santiago kept messing up and the ordered the cold red did.
Speaker 5 (59:46):
He got he got to go?
Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, he had a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom.
You weep for Santiago. You curse the Marines. You have
that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing why.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
I no.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives by existed in
grotesque and incomprehensive. Do you save lives you don't want?
The truth could deep down to places that parties you
don't talk about. You want me on that wall, you
need me on that wall. We use words like honor, cold, loyalty.
We use these words of a backbone of a lifetime
spent defending something. You use them as a points line.
(01:00:23):
I have at the time, nor the inclination to explain
myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the
blanket of freedom that I provide and then questions the
matter in which I provided. Come on, whether you said
thank you anyone on your way, or pick a weapon
up and standing posts. Either way, I don't give a
damn what you think you are entitled to did you
order the Cold Red? I did my job? Did you
(01:00:43):
order the cold Red? You don't run? I did, And
so that's what you're up against.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Hey, hey, uncle too. When I was in high school,
I don't know about job, but you know they had
they had they had an army people.
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
That set out yeah all TC.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah yeah. They try to recruit you coming out of
high school, right, yeah, join the army. So you know
you got your homeboy, they'll sign you up without even
telling you. So look, I got people calling my Joe Johnson.
Yes it is him, uh, you know, trying to recruit
me to come to the army. Boy, Please, I ain't
going on army. Look, I'm my mama's only child. I'm
gonna stand right.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
And then you wouldn't get oh Joe, And then Joe,
you wouldn't get drafted because you're the only son, right,
That's what.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I'm trying to tell you. I'm I told him that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
But if you got a bunch of songs, oh well
your ass grass, you can get off my line.
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
This that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Hey, hey, I don't mean to go off topic, but
but you you you you took theater.
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
You took theater in the artist like me, no, how
you how you know that whole that whole line.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Uh, I just have a I have an amazing ability
to recall him. For I've always had that ability, and
I think it came from my grandfather because he put
a lot of pressure on us because back then we
didn't have no cell phone. So my grandfather would get
somebody's number and you would say, tell it to them.
Two boys it would be and my brother, so we
would have he would tell us the guy or the
person would tell us the number, men spanking the number,
(01:02:16):
and we'd have to recall it once we got home. Now,
there are a lot of times we weren't going right home.
We go to somebody's house, so we go do something
else and by the time he get home, he's like,
hey boy, what was that number of such and such older?
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
And we'd have to recall it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
So ever since then, I've always been able to recall information.
And that's why like plays and stuff, I could just recall,
recall it. And so I've always had that ability to
have tremendous recall.
Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
And that's really dope.
Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
I don't think people understand how dope that is, the
fact that you can still recall that moment one of
the better scenes from that movie. Oh yeah, obviously the
most important scene that everybody recites the fact that you
can still recite it after all this time, and that
movie came out How Long Go and looked like a
damn teenage in that movie. Yeah, yeah, if I was,
(01:03:07):
you know, it's funny and and just if I was
able to do a movie right where it's a scene
that's very impactful and and and it has a lot
of meaning to it similar to that, it's it's a
little different. But any given Sunday when al Pacino gave
that speech the six inches remember that six inches speech? Yeah, man,
(01:03:28):
if I you know what, matter of fact, that's my homework.
That's my homework is that to watch that movie and
see if I can recite it when we do the
show Saturday.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
He uh.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Actually he followed Mike Shanahan around for real. Yep, Patrino
did Yep, to get rid of that practice.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Came to meetings.
Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
You see how Mike conducted is stead up in front
of the meeting, How you talked to us and things
like that. Yep, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Hey, that's six inches speech. Hey, Joe, I used to
play that sometime. You know, obviously before games to listen
to music. Sometimes my obviously I was more blues classical
type dude, you know, because I want my mind to
be calm. Yeah, so I remember there was a few
games I would listen to that sixth insan of speech.
They just gets you hyped up, Joe, It gets you
(01:04:14):
hyped up man already.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah, but I just I just had that ability to
call information. And it's a blessing and a curse. Sometimes
you remember everything because you know, were you in a relationship,
you remember everything else you can't remember that. You don't
remember where you was, you don't remember what you did,
who you were with.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Oh yeah I said that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
No, I mean you got that of the gun every day.
Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Hey, that's not a good thing you having it. That's
a gift and a curse. Now, the fact that you
can recall everything, because especially when it when it comes
to you know, having a partner and she know you know,
and don't forget nothing, man, Yeah to gifting the curse.
Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
And now you're out here playing done Yeah yeah, yeah,
Hey little love. Look y'all far from crazy, but you
could play crazy like like my like my pathers just
tell me I'm far from crazy, but I can play
crazy now. Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Yeah, that's what I asked.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
He's crazy. I'm like crazy, Like you're a chat crazy
or play play crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
You could have chat crazy. That's one thing crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I can deal it. No part of that.
Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Uh yeah uh
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