November 28, 2024 • 58 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers defeating the San Antonio Spurs 119-101. Unc criticizes Victor Wembanyama's inability to affect the game from the post. Later, they react to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder defeating Draymond Green and the Golden State Warriors 105-101 and much more!.
03:13 - Show Start
03:30 - Intro
05:21 - OKC v Warriors
13:10 - Lakers beat Spurs
23:41 - Pat Riley on dynasty teams
33:26 - Stephon Marbury
40:38 - Ant had a lot to say
47:22 - Boogie on Zion
58:15 - BJ Armstrong
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The OKC Thunder took down the Golden State Warriors Minor
Steph Curry one oh five to one oh one, as
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OKC sisus firmly atop the NBA Western Conference with a
fourteen and four record.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Shay Gilgess Alexander was sensational.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Again thirty five points nine rebounds, five assists a block. Wow,
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I mentioned, Oka See, took down the Golden State Warriors
minus Steph Curry one on five to one on one
Shake gild Just thirty five points, nine rebounds, five or
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cents two blocks, Isaiah Hartenstein thirteen points, fourteen rebounds.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Three of cents, four blocks.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
He was sensational and that's what they need, a big body,
especially with check being out.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
But I like this team. They're really good.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
They're very young, all drafted players, with the exceptional lou Dort.
I think lou Dort was at Houston at first, but
you know they got Hardenstein. They signed Hardenstein being a
pre agency. They made the trade for the guy was
at Caruso. He was that Lakers then went to Chicago.
He's back. So they have two guys on the wings
that are the defensive presence. The Williams Jalen Williams. He
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can flat out shoot at Isaiah Joke and shoot the three.
But this everything is centered around Shay Gilders and he
was sensation again tonight.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I know the Clippers are kicking themselves in the butt
because they traded him. Yeah, they traded him Gallinari and
a lot of unprotected lottery picks and they got a
lot of pick swaps and they traded him to get
Paul George and they didn't win a championship, and Kawhi
has been injured, and so ain't no way around it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Okay, see one.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But the thing is, it's one thing, oh to have
draft picks, but what are you gonna do with them?
If you look at the way they've drafted, they've hit
and this young team and they got some veteran presence.
I love the hard and steel addition. I love the
Caruso addition. It's gonna be very interesting to see how
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this thing plays out. But I'm liking what I'm saying
for the Thunder. What do you like about last night tonight?
I know they didn't have Golden State, didn't have Steph.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Step Yeah, I mean, listen, it was a good game.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I mean Sga is as you just said, as advertised,
he is just that his last out last five to
eight games.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
He's ever thirty goddamn thirty points a game.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
The nice game.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I think if the Warriors had a second score out there,
obviously with Steph being out the game, they might have
had a chance to win the game.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I think it's a bad win for OKC.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Excuse me for saying it something for there's no reason
that the game should have been this close without step playing.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Other than that, I mean, it was a good game,
but both teams played good.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
It's always a dogfight anytime the goddamn Thunder and Warriors meet.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Up, and it's oh, so it's a game of runs,
and so with the way the team can shoot the
three balls, there's really no lead safe. Yeah no, there
were times, I mean you wansed to watch the NBA
when the three wasn't as prevalent as it is and
teams could could come back from a twenty points deficit.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
But if you get down by twenty points in the
first quarter the first half, that ain't nothing. The guy.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You you have a team come down and hit a
couple of threes, you turn it over a couple of times,
and a twenty point lead, all of a sudden, it's
eight within the two minutes, and teams can go on runs.
We've seen teams go and run twenty oh runs, twenty
five to two runs, thirty to eight runs, and the
next thing you know, you were down by twenty. All
of a sudden, you're up to the four. And so
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I'm really not surprised. Team's gonna play harder. And the
one thing about Golden is that you can say they're
gonna play hard.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Draymond was there. Uh he made some you know, he
had a block. Uh. Still he did his thing.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He didn't shoot the three ball well, but I liked
the confidence that he's showing by taking that shot because
he's fast.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
He missed a couple of them. He's like, nah, I.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Can't shoot this, but he's still he's still shooting even
without hesitation. Although he was two of eight tonight, they
didn't I mean they were sixteen or fifty. They got
up fifty three. Buddy Hill did what Buddy Hill does.
He comes off the bench lighting it up. He had seventeen.
But this game was about SGA. They don't really have anybody.
Andrew Wiggers tried his hand. Kaminga tried his hand for
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zimskizims for zims. He tried his hand, but that didn't work.
I mean, look what you want to do. I mean,
the guy's an All Star for a reason. He was
an All NBA player for a reason. You just want
to try to neutral. You're not gonna stop it, but
just keep him from getting his average. You know, he
averaged thirty last year, so we're not surprised that he's
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scoring thirty now. But if you're gonna have a chance
to beat this team, you're gonna have to keep him
under that because if you let him get it, Because
if you let him get his numbers, what have you
actually done?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Nothing?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Not fa but the fact that that's the funny thing
about it. He can score from anywhere on the feet,
anyone on the court. He can go from anyone that ice.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
A ball here, give me, give you what you want,
off the picky, give you you want. He can pull up. Yeah,
I mean shit, he do every goddamn thing.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
So even even when you talk about neutralizing, there's really
nothing you could do. Nothing you do except you want
to make it one dimensional where if you're gonna lose,
it ain't gonna be from nobody else except the best
player on the god damn court.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, you gotta make it as difficult as you possibly can.
I mean, you look, Uh, he was three or twelve,
but he hit the most important one, which was a
step back three. So you you got him shooting under
fifty two percent. He was thirteen to twenty eight, so
you made it you. I mean, to get thirty five points,
he had to take twenty eight shots, so he wasn't
as efficient. He didn't shoot the free throw well, he
was Saints A ten from the free throw. He was
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three or twelve from the three. You made it difficult
on him. But the thing about a great player, he
might struggle, but when when it matters the most, he's
gonna find a way to put the ball in the basket.
And that's what and that's what all the greats have
been able to do. That's what makes them great, That's
what sets them apart, is that they can be having
a crappy game. But in the blinks when I they
can turn it on, O Joe and go get and
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and the final seven eight minutes of the ball game,
go get your ten to twelve and that's that's the
mark of a great player. But I think Shay is
probably only like twenty five, twenty four to twenty five
years of age, so he's only going to get He
haven't even really hit his prime yet. If they say
the NBA your prime is twenty seven to twenty eight,
he ain't even close to that. Yeah, even close to that.
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This team can bill. They got a bunch of young,
young players that's only going to get better that together.
I think they sincerely genuinely like each other because a
lot of them is in close proximity the same age,
so they have a lot of the same They probably
like a lot of the same thing.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Oh Joe, you know, they like the scream, they play
video game or what what whatever? Hell five they got thirty.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Years so yeah, so I don't, I don't. I have
no idea what those guys that age do. Obviously, you know,
they take the game of the Game of Basketball series
and I like to see that. I like to see
young teams because a lot of time when teams losing,
they blame you, they break age. Now these guys, even
if you look at Houston, you look at those young guys.
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I saw Jalen Green go go off again. Uh forty
one points. They beat the Sixers and overtime. But I
love what I'm seeing with Okay, see, I love what
I'm saying Stepford. Like I said, Stephe's out. Have been
a very interesting game had he played. But okay, see,
congratulations you win the game. I think they played the
Lakers on Friday, nd season tournament game, and this is
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gonna have huge repercussions because they might have the same record.
If the Lakers beat them, the Lakers will beat.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Three and one.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But the problem that they have they lost by so many.
Point differential will come into play if you have the
same record as someone else. Now, obviously, if you win
all your games, it's a point you're undefeated. But if
you share the same record, now we got to bring
point differential and the Lakers will plus eleven. Well, they
lost by twenty seven last night, so now they're minus sixteen.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, so's.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It's not looking it's not looking good for the Lakers
and the end season and defending their end season tournament.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So hey, we'll see how that. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
The Lakers beat the Spurs one nineteen to one on one.
Lebron James had a triple double, his sixth triple double
of the season. He had five all of last year.
The Lakers against team with winning records of four and six.
Lakers against team with losing records are seven and seven
and one. Look, finally, they played a third quarter, O joe.
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If you go back and look at the Lakers, look
at the Lakers when they played oh the Denver, I
make Denver out scored him like seventy five to twenty
one in the second half. They had a seventh eight
point lead at the half. And the next thing, you know,
they don't guard, so it's a layup line. They don't
defend the three. It's a shoot around three fast for
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the opposing team. And we saw the same thing happened
last night. Guys driving over, ain't nobody stopping, nobody, everybody
pointing no, you get your ass over there and stopping stop,
stop trying trying to take the easy man. Ain't get
no bro, that's you cause every time I go get him,
people gonna think that's my man that I got beat.
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But I like the way they played tonight. They got
really battles scoring. They have seven guys in double figures.
Anthony Davis nineteen quiet night. He didn't tech fourteen shots,
but he had nineteen points, fourteen rebound, seven assents on
the block. Lebron as we mentioned, a triple double, sixteen points,
eleven rebounds, no eleven assist, ten rebounds, Ruly had sixteen
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Offston Reeves had thirteen.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
The best move of the night.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
They reinserted Dun't Connect into the starting lineup and they
let Ruly come up the beach. No Rudy started, and
that means Cam Reddish came up the bench because they had,
you know, made a switch. They took d Lo out
of the starting lineup, put Cam Reddish in. They leave
Hoti Moore in and they take Cam out and the
le put Connect back in Connected.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Unbelievable because he could place the floor.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
You got seventeen from d Low and you got twelve
from Max Christie and again gave Bison got great cardio in.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, hey, you know you know the the Lakers eighty.
Let me just say with Ady and Lebron, who was
supposed to be the leaders and supposed to obviously be
your best do players with them tonight, you know, both
of them having a slow start.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I mean, this was really good.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I'm not sure if JJ did this purposely with the lineup,
but he had the lineup that he had tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
They were eight of.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
The the shoulder the offensive load with the slow star
from eighty and Lebron.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well eighty didn't have that many shots normally. Ad was
shooting like he's been shooting very well. He's shooting fifty
six percent from the floor. But fourteen shots you're not
gonna do much, So I can live with that. Lebron
had another He didn't shoot the ball well tonight. He
was awer two from three. The thing that I liked
the most tells me whatn't aggressive is he needed to
be because he shot zero free throws, So that was he
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telling That's telling me he wasn't as aggressive as he
needed to be. I liked the Lakers. They were ten
for ten from the free throw line. Now I had
to been ten for ten from the free throw line
the other night. They weren't lost to Orlando. But then
in the last thirty cents. They missed four of six
and got a Bogner hit a step back three, and
they ended up losing the game.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
But I like this. I liked the ballance scoring O choe.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They shot fifty three percent from the floor, They shot
thirty eight percent from the three, one hundred percent from
the three throw line.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
H They're still turning.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
The ball over a little bit too much, especially Lebron
Lebron right now, it's averaging probably about five turnals game.
Real sloppy with the ball. In order for you to
go for you can't turn it over. You pay double
for turnovers, just like in football. You turn the ball over,
you're gonna get runouts.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
So you think JJ is gonna stick with this lineup,
this lineup from out with them, I mean where they
perform even though Ad and Lebron had a slow start. Hell,
the guy damn not only the bench, but the lineup
that he did have in there. They showed it the
officer loads because Ad and Lebron had such a slow start.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
They got off to it. They got off to a
slow start. They started off San Antonio had a nine
to two lead. Yeah, the next thing you know, the
Lakers take over the ball game, and they don't look
back from that point because you got connected.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
He's the best shooter.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He's a guy that can take the three, and when
he takes the three, you expected to go in. He's
built up that kind of cacheke. The other guys are
streaky three point shooters. Alsto reasons not a great three
point shooter, but he's streaky. Lebron is streaky, ru It
is streaky. Of all these guys, they don't have sure
three point shooters like a Clay, like a stall Of,
like a buddy heell.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But and you know guys like that.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They shoot the three, but you have to put so
much emphasis on it because everybody's shooting it. That's why
you see the Lakers. The Laker got up thirty four
of them. Even though you're like, hopefully we can make thirteen,
hopefully we can make fourteen.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But I thought they did a great job.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Wimby connect had twenty points, he had eight rebounds, he
got some ups. The things that I love about him,
he just doesn't settle. If you run him up the
three point line, he'll put the ball on the floor,
get to the mid range. He can finish all the
way at the rim. He got nice ups. Lebron's doing
a great job of finding him sneaking baseline. Lebron is
hitting for a couple of lobs this year. So I
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like him. He's more athletic than you think. But he
could really, he could really shoot the basketball. On the
Spurs side, you know, they got they got some. You know, look,
Wimby is the guy, but he didn't. He was nine
of twenty to night, he was two or nine from
the three. I think sometimes, Bro, it's seven four and
a half, may get your ass down on the block.
Stop shooting all him threes just because you can shoot them,
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just because you can make them. I don't think he
should live by that. And I think the thing is, look,
he's gonna have to. He's gonna have to put on
some weight. All that damn cooking, all the Mexican food
that they got down there, soul Kitchen, the soul food
they got in San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Get you in a couple of these restaurants and.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Get some biscuits and some tacos and burritos and some
hog malls and all that, and put some weight on you.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
But nine or twenty oh, some churls they're asking they
got Chiro, that's ass neck of the woods. So uh
but uh chuck, oh, Charles marklet okay, yeah, Oh, I
just think.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Look, I think he's gonna be really good. I mean,
a guy that high, that size, that height, he's not
side that high, can move and he can shoot the three.
But sometimes, bro, he shot zero at seven four and
a half. You shot zero three throws? Yes, zero.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You know you gotta you gotta understand too, what he's
comfortable with.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Uh, you know, you might want to play You might
want him to play in the post with is what
his back to the basket. But maybe tonight we just
wasn't it. Maybe tonight just win it for him. If
it's if it's outside game, mid range, three point, it's
really feels comfortable and he's not and he's not hitting
those shots, then that got that got a call got
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to come from inside.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
The house on the bench. Hey, get your ad down
in the post. Run plays for him to be down
in the post with his back, with his back against
the basket. If that's the case. So from the outside
looking in, hell, the coach need to say something, if anything,
if you're missing your shots, will they tell a shooter
keep on shooting.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, but I here ain't no shooter. You don't think so, no, no,
that is't what he is. Steps the shooter, Dame Lillard,
play Thompson, but.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Hold on, hold on, he listened. He's not that bad.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
He's not that that that that that maular the three.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But both of them people now, if you shoot thirty
five percent, they feel like I should have agreed like
to take ten. Okay, you make thirty five percent, but
you seven four, you get down on the block, you're
gonna get fired, or you're gonna shoot fifty five percent
from the floor. That's my thing, a combination. It's not
like it's not like Steph can post up. That's not
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Steph's game. But Steph, if you run him off the
three and he doesn't feel comfortable the side step, he'll
go all the way to the basket. Now, he ain't
gonna play above the rim. But he got a nice
float game, Trey Young, nice float game. Dang, nice float game.
So you got to have a package. You got to
do more than one thing in order to be really
good or to be great in this league. He's supposed
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to be great. He can rebound the basketball, he can
block shots. I mean, there are a lot of times
guys are very hesitant to shoot the ball when he's
in the vicinity. They'll pass it back out because they
don't want him to throw throw their shot into the
fourth throat, so they're very hesitant to try him at
the rim. He also knows that I'm gonna get dunked
on something. But I'm gonna get more than y'all get meat.
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And I'm gonna make you guys hesitant. I'm not gonna
be hesitant to try you, but I'll make you hethera
to try me.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's what I just that's just me personally, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I just think nine of twenty two or nine and
you don't have zero three draw attempts, So that tells
me you spend.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Too much time outside. That's what that tells me.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But Lebron, like I said, Lebron was Lebron a triple double,
sixteen points, ten rebounds.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He needed the bounce back because he didn't play. He
didn't play well at all last night.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Riley says he doesn't count the Spurs or the Warriors
as the NBA dynasty.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
There have been three dynasties in my mind, Boston in
the sixties showtime Lakers Michael six and eight years was
dynastic without a doubt. I don't know if there's one now.
I mean, you don't count four and six years of
the dynasty.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
I mean I would think so, I mean so maybe maybe,
I mean, it depends on what pat Riley's criteria is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Maybe his criteria is different than everybody else's.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I mean, you can't get ojo in the sixties when
the Celtics won, they had eighteens. That eighteens right now,
and from the beginning they had seven Hall of Famers
at one point in time, level of the twelve thirteen
players were Hall of Famers. So I would like.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
To think that you should when when you know they
won eight in.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
A row, right damn?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But I mean, how how is that not? I mean,
the Lakers won five and nine years. Four and six
years not a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So if the Lakers, so, if Golden State went another,
that means they've won five and nine years. So I'm
just I'm confused. Yeah, I mean we got a Okhoe. Yeah,
I'm an old head too oho. You know, look, I
loved I love the era that I played it. I'm protected,
but I also give credit where credits due. That's okay
to give these new teams credit. That doesn't diminish what
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you did in the eighties. That doesn't diminish the Celtics
in the sixties. That doesn't diminish Mike, they did that.
But what so if somebody don't win six, they can't
be a So somebody don't win six.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
In that year, man, there ain't no dynasty.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Come on, bro, yeah, I mean it doesn't make any sense. Obviously,
Obviously being an old head and having a difference in
opinion when it comes to the criteria on what he
feels the dynasty is, there's a there's a complete disconnect
the Celtic player from from today's game as opposed to
the game back in the day.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Let me ask you this. So if the Celtics say,
if you don't win eight in a row, you're not
a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And ship and that ain't happening. That's that's not happening.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
To be able to keep a team's core players together
long enough to even win eight is damn the impossible.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And again, if the game of basketball is different today anyway,
it's complete any different, So the chance of doing that
it's also impossible, And I might be wrong, and if
I'm wrong, please correct me. The game of basketball was
a little different. I don't want to say easier. I'm
not saying a little easier, but as opposed to the
players today, and how how much more skilled and more
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athletic they are to win back to back like they
were as opposed to how they were doing back then.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You didn't have Simmits that could shoot the ball like
these guys can shoot the ball now. And that's okay.
There were no sixteen guys like Anthony Davis. There was
no guy like Joel Embiid. There's no guy like nicolea Jokic,
And that's okay. That's not to diminish those guys. Those
guys were great. But the guys are skilled.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
There are more guys that are able to do more
things than they were back then. And don't give me
that way. They didn't do it, but if they could,
they would have done it. They would have done it.
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's that's what when Jordan he realized, like, you know what,
I'm flying through the air, but if I want to
expand my game, I gotta get this mid range.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
So he worked on that.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
If guys could really shoot the three, then worked on
it and they got good at it like these guys have.
I mean, they're not baring many bigs that can't shoot
the three ball in today's game.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
On Joe, it's almost it's almost a pre raven set.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You've got to look at all your bigs, look at
all your great big I'm talking about the saying like
Yo Kitchen em Bead, Anthony Davis, they.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Can shoot it.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, even Kevin Rants not a five, but Kevin Rand
sixteen and a half, six eleven.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He can shoot it. It's just I just I just
don't like the fact that that we we don't want
to give.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
These guys credit. Yes, the league is different. Y'all didn't
want to look at the attendance with all they did
was fight. Look at the attendants in the nineties with
all them hard ass fouls. Nobody wanted that. People like
scoring as much as y'all could plain. That's what y'all
want to see. Y'all ain't bet nobody. I ain't never
seen nobody parlay where they said, hold this team under
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ninety points or defense. No, y'all wont scoring. Y'all want touchdowns,
you want home runs, you want threes and then when
the league gives it to you, artist, it is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I'm cool. Look, I understand the game is different.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I understand that they've legislated a lot of physicality out
of the game of basketball, out of the game of football.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I understand it, o yo. And we understand why.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
In football, right with the lawsuits, the concussion, the guys
being leaving the game, and a lot of them being injured.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We get it.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, but isn't that what you want it? Who wants
to go to a game and see what they used
to see in the nineties. If in seventy three seventy
one the entire game that was the final score, right,
ain't nobody want to see that? Just like baseball? Oh,
a one nothing ball game? The purist man, I want
to see ten eleven to ten.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Let's see home runs.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yes, I want to see the ball going over. I
want to see the ball flying over the wall. I
want to see but up and down. I Look, I
ain't saying I want to see the NBA All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I don't want to see that bullgeye right right, But
I do want to I do want to see team
getting up and down. I want to see a game
that getting to the hundreds. But I disagree with pat Rodley.
Pat Riley also said that he could have won six
champions up the six championships if Lebron had stayed. Okay, yeah,
had you got it, I can agree. I could agree
with that Lebron had stayed. D Wade was there, but.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
D Wade that started to break down d Way. D
Wade's a little older.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Remember, d Wade had bad needs coming into it, and
for him to get as many years as he did
it lets you know how well he had taken care
of his body. But at his age, you got to realize.
D Wade went to school three years, so he's already
three to four years older than Lebron. So when he
gets seeing at that at that juncture, d Wade came
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in in two thousand and four, three oh three, Lebron
was he was oh three. So Lebron last year was
what twenty.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Thirteen, So think about that, that's thirteen, that's fourteen years.
So he got in, he's damn already about thirty six
thirty seven. Then then also at fourteen lost the first
and fourteen, so so that's already eleven years. So if
he's coming in.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
He's coming into the NBA O Joe at twenty three,
twenty two, twenty three, so he at least twenty two,
at least twenty nine, So now he's already thirty three.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I still think they could have dead it though.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Uh hey, we got we got Lebron, you had d Wade.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
What's what's a tall young bull name man? Oh Chris Bosh, Yeah,
Chris Boss.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
You gotta remember O Joe. The next year, he got
those blood c Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
I mean, just hypothetically speaking, if he didn't have the
issue with the blood clots as possible.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But what's the likelihood, because that's something that you can't
you can't factor in. He got the blood clots and
he really never played any more after that. I think
the way d Wade needs have started to get balky
on him. Uh Ray Allen was older. Uh yeah, he
could grow, but he had done. He had because we
got to remember when when Lebron left, Ray tired. I
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didn't Ray retire, Ray retired, m h, So he was done.
I think Rio ended up didn't real end up tearing
his a c L. I mean, oh Joe. In order
to win multiple championships, a lot of things have to
go right, and that that on that that doesn't always happen.
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And I get it because Pat Pat look Pat tried
to collect jewelry past the ring collector.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
At this part of his career.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
The only thing that mattered to him is Raid, and
he realized the likelihood of him every getting he loved
Jimmy Butler ain't Lebron and the likelihood of him ever
getting another one of those is not happening, right, And
he knows without that type of player, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
It's hard to win.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Unless you got guys like you got a Jaylen Brown,
you got a Jason Tatum that you broomed, that you
got together, and they're okay with each other, playing off
of each other. One doesn't get mad if somebody gets
more credit or more pub and you don't have the vickery.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That's why. That's why Kareem and Magic you got us
big and a little and Cap You've been here with
how you wanted.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Magic was always was already deferential to Kareem, Kobe and Shack,
but it toward apart and boom, prematurely it was gone.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
You look at Clay, You look at Steph Clay like okay,
I'll be the second and third gradit shooter ever, I'm
cool with that. Right, they stay together, they went four,
Kyrie and Lebron, boom, whatever happens they start to butt
split it up.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, so a lot. You got a lot of times.
Don't you gotta swallow your pride? You gotta. I started
watching The Dynasty today, the story about the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Right, take a list, look at it.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's good. Yeah, all right, let me say, letna check
that out.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Check that out. Yeah, it's very good. Stefan Maberry on
the Gold debate, how's Lebron better than Joe when he
is better than Kobe? I'm trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Oh man, man, this is an ongoing debate.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It is, and you're not gonna settle it. You got
people in George's corner, you got people in Lebron. But
what I don't understand on your lips. But I'm gonna
let you go on this. This is what I don't understand.
If you support Lebron, you're getting paid. So how much
is Jordan and Kobe paying? Is supporters? Nobody will answer
that because if you say something, you on clutch payroll.
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So when they say on Kobe, if Kobe'll stayed paying you?
Are you getting free shoes? Are you getting free gear
from Jordan? Is Jordan paying you? That's all I want
to know. If y'all can answer that, I'm cool right
where you are on that debate. If you say Jordan,
if you say Kobe, if you say Magic, if you
say Shot, you say Koreem, you say Lebron. More time
than not, people are already dug in. It's kind of
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like the election. People had their mind made up. It
was gonna be President Trump. You not moving them off that, right?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You're not?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, why do you waste your time? I saw Jordan,
I saw Lebron. I'm cool either way. I know who
I feel right and I'm good with it. I ain't
losing no sleep over it.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
But man, it's it's very difficult when we talk about
the greats, the elite, the elite grace that are in
a class of their own, especially when it comes to football.
You know your T's, your Randy Mosses, you Jerry Rice's,
then you talk about your Lebron's, you goddamn Michael Jordan, Ja,
Kobe Bryant. I mean, these dudes are the cream, the
cream of the crop at their respective crafts. And you
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have to nick pick and and and be and and
and take a fine tooth comb just to be able
to separate the two, you know, I mean actually the
three and in this case, and I think it all
comes down the preference.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I think all he does on huh.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Jordan had the prettiest game you've ever seen. You want
to see somebody hang in the air. He was the
first guy that we really saw jo that Connie Hawkins
could glide through the air, Doctor j could glide through
the air. But when we really got when basketball really
hit magic and Jordan's and then Jordan came along, that
guy elevated flying through the air with his tongue hanging out.
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I'm like, Okay, he different, He's different. It's gotta be
the shoes. But then he had all the commercials. He
had to the Haynes, and he had the Yeah Haines,
and he had the Air George, and he had Gatorade
and he had all he was He was it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
He made dark skin cool good again because the throw
here led the barge the cheek of the barge and
al be sure man brother could get no play right,
he could get he.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Could get nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
But but then you look, you look, you got you
got Kobe who comes along, young seventeen eighteen year old
who mimicked and idolized Jordan and took some of theriysms,
that same that mama mentality, that same killer instinct. When
it came to playing the game of basketball, well, he
give nobody no grace, no place.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
He had that same killer instinct, you know, out there
on the court and the mannerisms, the movements, the style
of play, it was damn near the same, right and
then and then Lebron shows up.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And that's why I say it's three different almost three
different areas eras where they kind of kind of crossed
and messed a little bit. But and like I mean, dude,
I don't know why we just enjoy all of them,
you know, and not have the put him up against
each other when it comes up who the best of
what they do?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, I mean, none of these guys had the expectations
that Lebron had. So Kobe got a chance just to
blend in ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight, they happened.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Kobe came off the bench. Lebron never came off the bench.
Lebron could have been start of the NBA in high
school the grade he was, Jordan hit the floor, Jordans running.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Jordan was second team All the NBA. He averaged twenty
eight points a game. He was sensational. But Jordan didn't
have the expectations because we hadn't seen a guy come out.
Kevin nur Ke, Kevin Garnett was the high first high
school player that had come out straight from high school
in a very long time. But even KG did not
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have the expectations what Lebron hated and whatever you thought
Lebron might be. If you thought Lebron, Lebron has exceeded expectations.
Nobody thought he's a past first when people say, well,
look at how many times Jordan shot the ball at
least twenty two times a game in his career. Look
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how many times Lebron shot to get ball twenty two
times a game in his career for a season like
twelve or thirteen to jordan fifteen season, he shot the
ball at least twenty two times. Right, so if you
extrapolate that, now here's Lebron. He's number one in points,
he's top five and assists. You're never gonna see that again.
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You're never gonna see that again, right, So there's compelling
arguments that you can make for whoever you decide. But
that's STEFI Marlboro's opinion. He look, I don't think he's
very fond of Lebron. That's okay, that's okay. Like I said,
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I look, everybody know, y'all just saw me or whatnot
selling about three hundred pairs of shoes. It damned the
two other video with Jordan's So y'all know what I
feel about Jordan, and I got a boatload of a
bunch of Kobe that I don't even know if I'm
gonna get rid of those. But it's just it's all.
It's a preference. But the question is if y'all, if
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Kobe hadn't the body hadn't broken down, y'all think Kobe
would have stoped the twenty.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Years or he kept playing O Joe kept playing?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
If Jordan's body hadn't broken down, do you think he
just stopped at fifteen season?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Or who he kept playing?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Kept playing?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Kept playing?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Y'a't get back and Lebron because Lebron took care of
himself and his body hadn't betrayed him yet. Kobe, Kobe
took care of himself, but he started having you know,
he had the ki Lees injury at that age, at
that at that junction of your career. Oh Joe, you
get one of those man. Yeah, by time, bro, But
he had tourists labrom his you know. It was just
the way, yeah, you know, because Kobe was going they
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was going to the NBA Finals and they fight, they
have the long seasons, and his body just broke down.
Jordan gonna get his cigars, hen if Jeorde gonna get
on them sticks hard. Jordan had them one man a
thing be lasted two three days. He probably going through
three or four. But they but look, if you like Jordans,
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I ain't gonna fight you. If you like Kobe, I
ain't gonna fight you. If you like Lebron, welcome home.
But if you don't like Lebron, I don't dislike it. Right,
it's just the preference. After They always had a lot
to say this evening, though, Joe said he feels like
the team is growing the park that they can't talk
to each other anymore. It's everyone. He's not singling out
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the nubies says, everyone has their own agendas right now
at we gotta look up everybody chair efing hype. We
get down and don't nobody say nothing. That's the definition
of front running. We're a team, including myself, we're all
front runners. Tonight it was some bulldeye for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
You know it.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
All teams go through this, everybody go through this every
every every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Unlet it's still early in the season.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
If you're gonna have a time like this, the first
thing you got to do is, hell, you're the captain.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I'm sure you're the captain, the one of the leaders
of the team. He call the goddamn team meeting call
of goddamn team meaning land listen, man, we ain't feeling.
We can't rock like this if not, if we're trying
to reach the end goal. Before the season started. We
know what the end goal is, but we can't be
operating like this, not this early. She y'all better get
it and fuck together.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah. I agree.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's just tough oo because now you have expectations. You
went to the Western Conference finals last year. But what
I don't get is that you went to the Western
Conference finals and you trade your second best player I
did with there's something that we don't know that he
and Cat. I thought he and Cat. When I sat
down with Cat, he had a great he talked about
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they have a great relationship. You don't really know, Joe,
unless you're in that locker room. You really don't know.
But I have no reason to believe that Cad was lying. Right,
you like Julius, I don't know if he's as good
a fit as Cat right.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Okay, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I don't like him with Cat. I don't like Jewlish
with Cat right like I like Cat with Ad. Okay,
that's what I meant to say.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I don't like Ad with Julius like I did add
with Cat. Kat. Okay, But yes, and you.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Got expectations now, and sometimes the hardest thing is to
overcome his expectations. You see, when you weren't doing anything,
you'll missed the playoffs and you want going very far.
Now you have expectations. People expect you to be great.
That's the hardest thing. That's what people don't understand about
greatness is that that once you reach that level, is
to stay there. We've seen a lot of guys go
to the Pro Bowl one year being all pro one year,
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But can you do it the year after year, year
after year, game after game, month after month. That's what
that's what's so spectacular is that you have this. I
mean Tom Brady got there and he stayed there. Peyton
Manny got there and he stayed there. Mahomes since he's
been the starter, has been there. And you look at
the other grades. You look at the JJ Watt, you
look at the TJ Watt, and you look at these guys,
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the Reggie wife, the Dion's, the Jerry's. Now, obviously, once
you start getting later, later, you're not gonna be what
you were. Oh Jo, you know, year five and here
you are your fourteen fifteen quarterbacks can but it gets
harder and harder for skilled position players. Like I said,
Jerry is an anominally Jared played twenty six. Jerry is
anominally Ojo. You're not gonna get You're not gonna find
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another Jared Rice. A guy to have a fout, have
over twelve hundred yards at forty plus. That ain't happening.
At forty two. We had one hundred yard game.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
O't yoe? Can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah, hey, he's the goat for a reason.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
And The thing is, though, O Joe, is that you
get to the Western Conference finals with Cat and and
and you moved Cat.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
I mean, I mean listen that that that might have
been something internally and they it just never ever got out,
you know, they kept it under wraps. Kat maybe voice
his frustrations about being there, and they made it happen.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Look, Leon Rose used to be at CIA. Now he's
running here in Worldwide West.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
They're running the next m h.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
That was Cat's first agent, I think if I'm not
mistaken right, So obviously cats from.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
The Jersey area. That's great.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I mean, it's he could have been They could have
traded him to a worse place. But and talking to him,
he wanted to build on what they had started. You know, like, okay,
I got here. We were bad at first, but now
we got you know, we got at We got a
superstar to pair alongside with me. We can go places,
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you know, Mike Coley orchestrat and everything. You got, Rudy, Uh,
you got uh Daniels, you got some you got some
nice pieces. Oh, Joe nas Red coming off the bench,
I just did that. I'm surprised that they made that move,
considering how far they got the previous year.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
So you don't you don't think, you don't think, you
don't think their chance of making the Western Final are
good having Julius No.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
No, I don't. Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Boockie Cousins believed that Zion Williamson was set up to
fail by being drafted to a city like New Orleans.
I thought, I thought it was a bad decision. Let's
rewind all the way back when this guy's getting drafted.
We knew he's going to New Orleans. It was away
concern that was bad there in New Orleans of the
place that just gives help. That's a place that you
go to game tempiles, you go out there and drink,
have a good time. That's what the culture is in
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New Orleans. So to put that kid in the situation
like they expect them thrive, that was the first mistake.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
The city had nothing to do with him playing one
hundred and ninety games over five Oh Joe, Yeah, So
I'm not spoke. So he is the best talent in
the draft. I'm not gonna draft him because of New Orleans.
It's one of the fastest cities in the USA, right,
but I'm not gonna draft it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Because come back.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I mean, listen, we can't make no, we can't make
no excuses.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Now you know that's them.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Once you get drafted, you get your team of people
that understand, that have your best interests at hard and
knowing what it takes for you to compete at a
high level and live up to the expectations that you
had coming out of coming out of college. It's pretty simple.
It's not hard. It's not rocket science. Take the game
basketball series is like you've always taken it all your life.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Now that you've been afforded the opportunity to live out
your childhood dream, it's not that difficult.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
We've seen a lot of players do it, especially if
you want to be great at what you do. You
want to be great that your he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Want to be great.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
You want to play. You want to play very, very
long and not get your money and then fold.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Zion had the problem what I told my kids, I
can't want something more than you want it for yourself.
Everybody wants Zion to get in shape except Zion. Everybody
wants Zion to have discipline except Zion. So how can
I want something How can the team want something more?
For him than he wants it for himself, right, that's
why they put it in contract. Look how it got
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it in his contract that he have to hit weight
clauses because they know him.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's not the team fault. That ain't.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
That ain't that ain't got nothing to do with New Orleans.
That's Zion didn't know his No discipline ass, that's all
that comes down to.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Ojo.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Discipline requires you to do your very best when no
one else is watching, doing what you want need to
do instead of what you want to do. I know,
I want to eat these this gumbo, I want to
eat this jumbala. I want to eat this pole boy,
I want to eat this at two faith, this boodham.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
But what I need to do is to hire me
a personal chef and eat fish and eat chicken, and eat.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Turkey and eat lean cuts of meat and eat badgies.
But that's not what he that's not what he that's
not what he needs, that's what he wants to do.
So he eats that bull dye and then everybody to
make excuses for him.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
He just a big people talking about shad a look
at an elephant. He all he eat his grass. Yeah,
but he eat four hundred pounds of the day. That's
why his ass big yeah, look at a whale. Yeah, well,
you eat thousands and thousand pounds of crimp, you gonna
beat big yeah z A. Y'all doesn't have discipline. Y'all
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gotta stop making excuses. But he one hundred million too.
Do you see what the money that Jason Tatum just got?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, that could be.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
And his approach to the game is completely different. His
approach to the game is completely different.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
He himself out the league. Well, I guess well, you know, hey,
ask for a trial with the Saints. They play left tackle,
baby can play d N. They don't give damn. I
give me you get in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on, i'mna turn this
ac down.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
I'm cold shit.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Man, I don't get it. I don't chang chant y'all,
y'all can't convince me. Now, y'all have made their excuses.
And I'm not trying to shame the man, but this
is embarrassing. This is embarrassing. He don't care enough about
the game. But y'all mad at me when I call
him out and says he's undisciplined, that he doesn't he
doesn't he's not trying well maybe, but stop. Yeah, y'all
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say let the kid eat, even though the man eating
himself out of a job. Y'all, I could see the
guy that said that that tells him everything I need
to know about you, that says that says more about
you than it tell us about him. Let you see
a man sabotage of himself and you say let him
continue down this road. But then y'all quick to say
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why the vest didn't pull him aside? Why did Shannon?
Why didn't you reach out? Why did you try to help?
Because dumb dumbs like you jump in the chat and
say let the man eat, y'all the same ones that
when ab was on that bull job. Let that man
live in his life, Shaunter, you don't live your You
don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Look it's embarrassing, I know. Think about what you said.
He's only twenty two and he that big. Big kids
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become big adults. Baby elephants are cute and cuddly, what
do they grow up to be?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Big?
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Oh? Yoe? This man?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Somebody in the chance say let that man live his life.
Another dude talking about he only twenty two. Uh he
that big at twenty two? How old he gonna be?
How big is he gonna be at twenty five?
Speaker 3 (48:24):
On, yoe? How big he gonna be at thirty?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
What about when you retire? Hey, boy's colder's hell? Ain't
here boy, I'm not bad shit?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
But see but see when when when? When they always say, well,
ain't have nobody's corner the veterans. But when best try
to tell him? Listen what what people have tried to
I guarantee people in the locker room have tried to
tell us all y'all bro oh, yoe, I got somebody
to prepare my meals. I've had somebody to prepare my
meals for the last ten fifteen years. Don't make their
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land the money? You mean to tell me you got
a almost a two hundred million dollar contract and you
can't pay one hundred thousand or one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Because I look at it as an investment.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Oh to you buy something for you invest in something,
you expect that thing to play down.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
The road.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
For a little bit. Look at it now.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
People bought Apple, Google, Netflix, n Veada, whatever the case
may be. You invest a little, you get a lot, right, Joe,
you mean to tell me I can't invest in me.
You mean to tell me I can't invest in me.
I can't spend a million dollars. I can't spend a
million dollars two million dollars to get fifty seventy million
dollars a year in return.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, listen, this is this is the case that we
always talk about. As a player. You have to want
it for yourself. You can't want it more than him.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
So people locker.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Room telling them, coaches telling them, friends, telling them, whether
it be family, telling.
Speaker 7 (49:53):
Them until he gets it through his mind. In order
for me to function at the best of my ability
at the highest level and become remain one of the
greats and lyrics to the expectations that we all thought,
you know, he would be, he has to want to
do it.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
We can't complain about it.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I said in the Beata. I didn't say the bottle
cast it, I said in the Beata. But okay, yeah,
but closely, I ain't say no the bottle.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I didn't say that. I mean, oh, you the guys
missed one hundred and ninety games in five seasons. Yeah,
one hundred and ninety games. That's damn there forty games
a season.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
Yeah, but I know one thing again, yeah, I know
one thing what I know what I know, I know
what he looks like, and I know what you get
once see on that goddamn caught boy.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Okay, when is it that? Though?
Speaker 5 (50:46):
I know, I know, I hear what you're saying, Baby,
I hear we say that that that joker nice boy
when he is playing.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Ain't no telling what he fin the two?
Speaker 3 (50:54):
So is he a part time or full time employee?
Because I'm being in full time wages, but I'm getting
part time work part time?
Speaker 5 (51:01):
And do you think Oh, I got a question for
you though, what do you think about them trading him?
And if if they if he was to go in
the trade block, or if they are fed up with
him not being healthy, not being available, what would you
like to see him go?
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Because here's the thing, let's just say, for the sake
of argument, that trading it's gonna lit even worse if
you get his ass in shape, because why couldn't.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
You do it? There?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Ah, that's that's that's a good one. But I mean, oyo,
they maybe maybe maybe maybe a change of scene is necessary.
Maybe it's something that he needs.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
They got they gotta half fat food everywhere you go?
What here? You think? You always say you gonna turn
the beacon.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I don't get why people when you get in that situation,
O Joe. And this is what I tell guys all
the time. There'll be a time and a place you
can act the damn food. But before then, get all
the money you can, so then when they get rid
of you, you could say I got five hundred million
self on a million, I can act a damn food.
But I'm not leaving no money on the table, right,
(52:09):
I'm not, And I'm not gonna end my career prematurely.
I almost squeeze every last bit because I'm sure I
can find something to do with the hug or the
peel of the orange. I'm sure I can find some
use with it. I'm gonna get all the juice and
then I'm gonna eat it, but I gotta find a use.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Let me look up. What can I do with an
orange pill? Is there's something I can do? Hey? I
can cook, I can squi it. The zets don't put
zest on orange zence, Yeah, I can. I can find
something on you I'm getting every last drop out of
this orange, right, I'm just not gonna juice. That's it.
Come on, bro, and.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
You gotta think maybe maybe as he gets older, maybe
a click, maybe it will click.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
You realize it's harder to get waid off here when
you're that side that you get older.
Speaker 5 (52:55):
Oh, you ain't got to tell me, because you know
when I when I was, when I was eighteen, I
was about now, man.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
I don't man with that kind of Oh Joe, do
you know what some people not?
Speaker 6 (53:09):
Not all?
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Because we've seen people have good jobs and that one
professional athletes and squander it and if it.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Up being tardy or being drunk, getting high, doing whatever
the case may be. But when you get in that situation,
how I wonder how many times did that man dream
of being in.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
The situation that he was in?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Say, Lord, if you help me get here, I ain't
gonna no way, I mess it up right right, and Lord,
bel hold to get there and then boom, that's what
I just I just don't get it. I don't, I don't.
I don't get it, and nobody's gonna make me understand. Oh,
Joe bj Armstrong Today's NBA player Robots who just shoot
(53:50):
three pointers in hunt for files. When I go watch
the game, there's no more creativity, there's no more imagination.
It's just we have basically robots running up and down
the court. You run to the three point line. I
run to the three point line. First, I try to
get a lay up. I can't get a layup. I
try to get fouled. If someone drives and they don't
call a file, these players go berserk. Now if they
have the ride of pass to go to the basket
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and look more foul, they're not even going to the basket.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Score.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
They're looking to the basket. They're looking to go to
the basket, get fouled. This is what's being taught. I'm
not going to be mad at the players. This is
what's being taught. We stripped the players of any kind
of imagination. We've stripped the players of any type of
Read the defense, take what the defense is giving you.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
You agree, I mean, I understand what he's saying. But
the game is evolves and bj is played, and there
are players that have a creative mindset. There are players
that are really good at creating space, putting the ball
on the floor, being able to beat people off the
dribble on their own. That in itself is creativity.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Where is the creativity taking sixty three the night? Well?
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Hold on, there are very few teams that do that,
you know that, right? The Celtics, the war established how many?
Speaker 3 (55:00):
How many? How many threes dot the NBA game? We're fits,
Hold on it.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
They shot seventy and in the Lakers game. In the
Lakers game tonight, they shot seventy four combined threes they
made twenty seven of them.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Hold on, I'm talking about efficient. Who's more efficient from
from the three point line outside of the goddamn Warriors
and Celtics.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
That's that's his point. Ain't nobody efficient? And they keep
jacking them up? You made it?
Speaker 3 (55:32):
You made it?
Speaker 5 (55:33):
Thought, Yeah, yeah, listen, old, old the old heads came.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
The game is different, Oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
They average shooting per team thirty seven and a half
threes per game. Okay, so when you extrapolate that times too,
that's seventy four threes a game.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
You know what that's like. That's like me saying, you
know what, I'm mad. There's no creativity and we don't
run the ball to open up the pass first like
they did back when we was playing. Now they throwing
the ball seventy times a game. Yeah, the game has changed,
the game is evolved. It's not the same as it
once was. At some point you got to adapt with
the times that we're in and not complain about them.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
And just enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
But I listen, I totally understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I do understand something is going on, because the ratings
is not looking good right now, Ojo. The lack of defense.
You know, they feel like people are just going to
the basket. They cry, like you said, they cry when
they don't get fouled. I understand there's some type of bru.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
I mean, o Jo.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
If I thought, if it's like they turn the ball over,
they think they get fouled, they argue with the referee
and the other teams got the ball going. If I
think I got held and the quarterback throws a pick
and the guy running the ball the other way, why
the hell I'm gonna argue with the back judge. Let
me go make the tackle and then the next time out,
I said, bro, that will he helped me.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
These guys argue with the officials and the guys that
have got the ball and breaking they laying it up.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Mm hmm, yeah, uh, I don't know. Look, I'm like you, o, Joe.
I look, I take it for what it is. I
know the game is evolved, It's gonna ever evolved, and
I think some people gotta just get over the fact. Right,
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this is what it is now. It ain't going back,
It's not it's not going back. It's going forward. And
you might even see less defense, you might see more
threes because everybody feels the way to win games is
to shoot the three. And that's why you don't see it.
Ain't nobody. That's why you don't see a whole lot
of guys that could post upright, post stuff for what
(57:46):
that's a two. You don't see guys trying the duncans.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
But it used to.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
I want to be like Mike, they said. Now I
want to be like Steph. I mean, oh, you're look
at it. You watch watch your YouTube seven eight year
old stepping back shooting three. Ain't nobody going to the
basket them joking, stepping back shoot three.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Like James Harden. I was like, bro, come on that.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, that's where the game is hited. They see it
and it is what it is. Hey, I've accepted it.
I don't get bad, hey, I just look at it like, damn,
y'all at least at least stop it. Just don't let
it have a layup line. That's a I and you
know how didn't be warm up on you and to
just lay them all up. Sometimes it'd be like that
(58:29):
in the game. I'm like, bro, y'all not gonna stop
them at all. Y'all got to even started, like try,
that's where they are.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
The volume
The volume.
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Shake gild Just thirty five points, nine rebounds, five or
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cents two blocks, Isaiah Hartenstein thirteen points, fourteen rebounds.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Three of cents, four blocks.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
He was sensational and that's what they need, a big body,
especially with check being out.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
But I like this team. They're really good.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
They're very young, all drafted players, with the exceptional lou Dort.
I think lou Dort was at Houston at first, but
you know they got Hardenstein. They signed Hardenstein being a
pre agency. They made the trade for the guy was
at Caruso. He was that Lakers then went to Chicago.
He's back. So they have two guys on the wings
that are the defensive presence. The Williams Jalen Williams. He
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can flat out shoot at Isaiah Joke and shoot the three.
But this everything is centered around Shay Gilders and he
was sensation again tonight.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I know the Clippers are kicking themselves in the butt
because they traded him. Yeah, they traded him Gallinari and
a lot of unprotected lottery picks and they got a
lot of pick swaps and they traded him to get
Paul George and they didn't win a championship, and Kawhi
has been injured, and so ain't no way around it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Okay, see one.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But the thing is, it's one thing, oh to have
draft picks, but what are you gonna do with them?
If you look at the way they've drafted, they've hit
and this young team and they got some veteran presence.
I love the hard and steel addition. I love the
Caruso addition. It's gonna be very interesting to see how
(05:30):
this thing plays out. But I'm liking what I'm saying
for the Thunder. What do you like about last night tonight?
I know they didn't have Golden State, didn't have Steph.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Step Yeah, I mean, listen, it was a good game.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I mean Sga is as you just said, as advertised,
he is just that his last out last five to
eight games.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
He's ever thirty goddamn thirty points a game.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
The nice game.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I think if the Warriors had a second score out there,
obviously with Steph being out the game, they might have
had a chance to win the game.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I think it's a bad win for OKC.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Excuse me for saying it something for there's no reason
that the game should have been this close without step playing.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Other than that, I mean, it was a good game,
but both teams played good.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
It's always a dogfight anytime the goddamn Thunder and Warriors meet.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Up, and it's oh, so it's a game of runs,
and so with the way the team can shoot the
three balls, there's really no lead safe. Yeah no, there
were times, I mean you wansed to watch the NBA
when the three wasn't as prevalent as it is and
teams could could come back from a twenty points deficit.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
But if you get down by twenty points in the
first quarter the first half, that ain't nothing. The guy.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You you have a team come down and hit a
couple of threes, you turn it over a couple of times,
and a twenty point lead, all of a sudden, it's
eight within the two minutes, and teams can go on runs.
We've seen teams go and run twenty oh runs, twenty
five to two runs, thirty to eight runs, and the
next thing you know, you were down by twenty. All
of a sudden, you're up to the four. And so
(07:02):
I'm really not surprised. Team's gonna play harder. And the
one thing about Golden is that you can say they're
gonna play hard.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Draymond was there. Uh he made some you know, he
had a block. Uh. Still he did his thing.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He didn't shoot the three ball well, but I liked
the confidence that he's showing by taking that shot because
he's fast.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
He missed a couple of them. He's like, nah, I.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Can't shoot this, but he's still he's still shooting even
without hesitation. Although he was two of eight tonight, they
didn't I mean they were sixteen or fifty. They got
up fifty three. Buddy Hill did what Buddy Hill does.
He comes off the bench lighting it up. He had seventeen.
But this game was about SGA. They don't really have anybody.
Andrew Wiggers tried his hand. Kaminga tried his hand for
(07:45):
zimskizims for zims. He tried his hand, but that didn't work.
I mean, look what you want to do. I mean,
the guy's an All Star for a reason. He was
an All NBA player for a reason. You just want
to try to neutral. You're not gonna stop it, but
just keep him from getting his average. You know, he
averaged thirty last year, so we're not surprised that he's
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scoring thirty now. But if you're gonna have a chance
to beat this team, you're gonna have to keep him
under that because if you let him get it, Because
if you let him get his numbers, what have you
actually done?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Nothing?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Not fa but the fact that that's the funny thing
about it. He can score from anywhere on the feet,
anyone on the court. He can go from anyone that ice.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
A ball here, give me, give you what you want,
off the picky, give you you want. He can pull up. Yeah,
I mean shit, he do every goddamn thing.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
So even even when you talk about neutralizing, there's really
nothing you could do. Nothing you do except you want
to make it one dimensional where if you're gonna lose,
it ain't gonna be from nobody else except the best
player on the god damn court.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, you gotta make it as difficult as you possibly can.
I mean, you look, Uh, he was three or twelve,
but he hit the most important one, which was a
step back three. So you you got him shooting under
fifty two percent. He was thirteen to twenty eight, so
you made it you. I mean, to get thirty five points,
he had to take twenty eight shots, so he wasn't
as efficient. He didn't shoot the free throw well, he
was Saints A ten from the free throw. He was
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three or twelve from the three. You made it difficult
on him. But the thing about a great player, he
might struggle, but when when it matters the most, he's
gonna find a way to put the ball in the basket.
And that's what and that's what all the greats have
been able to do. That's what makes them great, That's
what sets them apart, is that they can be having
a crappy game. But in the blinks when I they
can turn it on, O Joe and go get and
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and the final seven eight minutes of the ball game,
go get your ten to twelve and that's that's the
mark of a great player. But I think Shay is
probably only like twenty five, twenty four to twenty five
years of age, so he's only going to get He
haven't even really hit his prime yet. If they say
the NBA your prime is twenty seven to twenty eight,
he ain't even close to that. Yeah, even close to that.
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This team can bill. They got a bunch of young,
young players that's only going to get better that together.
I think they sincerely genuinely like each other because a
lot of them is in close proximity the same age,
so they have a lot of the same They probably
like a lot of the same thing.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Oh Joe, you know, they like the scream, they play
video game or what what whatever? Hell five they got thirty.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Years so yeah, so I don't, I don't. I have
no idea what those guys that age do. Obviously, you know,
they take the game of the Game of Basketball series
and I like to see that. I like to see
young teams because a lot of time when teams losing,
they blame you, they break age. Now these guys, even
if you look at Houston, you look at those young guys.
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I saw Jalen Green go go off again. Uh forty
one points. They beat the Sixers and overtime. But I
love what I'm seeing with Okay, see, I love what
I'm saying Stepford. Like I said, Stephe's out. Have been
a very interesting game had he played. But okay, see,
congratulations you win the game. I think they played the
Lakers on Friday, nd season tournament game, and this is
(10:58):
gonna have huge repercussions because they might have the same record.
If the Lakers beat them, the Lakers will beat.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Three and one.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But the problem that they have they lost by so many.
Point differential will come into play if you have the
same record as someone else. Now, obviously, if you win
all your games, it's a point you're undefeated. But if
you share the same record, now we got to bring
point differential and the Lakers will plus eleven. Well, they
lost by twenty seven last night, so now they're minus sixteen.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, so's.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It's not looking it's not looking good for the Lakers
and the end season and defending their end season tournament.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So hey, we'll see how that. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
The Lakers beat the Spurs one nineteen to one on one.
Lebron James had a triple double, his sixth triple double
of the season. He had five all of last year.
The Lakers against team with winning records of four and six.
Lakers against team with losing records are seven and seven
and one. Look, finally, they played a third quarter, O joe.
(12:04):
If you go back and look at the Lakers, look
at the Lakers when they played oh the Denver, I
make Denver out scored him like seventy five to twenty
one in the second half. They had a seventh eight
point lead at the half. And the next thing, you know,
they don't guard, so it's a layup line. They don't
defend the three. It's a shoot around three fast for
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the opposing team. And we saw the same thing happened
last night. Guys driving over, ain't nobody stopping, nobody, everybody
pointing no, you get your ass over there and stopping stop,
stop trying trying to take the easy man. Ain't get
no bro, that's you cause every time I go get him,
people gonna think that's my man that I got beat.
(12:45):
But I like the way they played tonight. They got
really battles scoring. They have seven guys in double figures.
Anthony Davis nineteen quiet night. He didn't tech fourteen shots,
but he had nineteen points, fourteen rebound, seven assents on
the block. Lebron as we mentioned, a triple double, sixteen points,
eleven rebounds, no eleven assist, ten rebounds, Ruly had sixteen
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Offston Reeves had thirteen.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
The best move of the night.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
They reinserted Dun't Connect into the starting lineup and they
let Ruly come up the beach. No Rudy started, and
that means Cam Reddish came up the bench because they had,
you know, made a switch. They took d Lo out
of the starting lineup, put Cam Reddish in. They leave
Hoti Moore in and they take Cam out and the
le put Connect back in Connected.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Unbelievable because he could place the floor.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
You got seventeen from d Low and you got twelve
from Max Christie and again gave Bison got great cardio in.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, hey, you know you know the the Lakers eighty.
Let me just say with Ady and Lebron, who was
supposed to be the leaders and supposed to obviously be
your best do players with them tonight, you know, both
of them having a slow start.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I mean, this was really good.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I'm not sure if JJ did this purposely with the lineup,
but he had the lineup that he had tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
They were eight of.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
The the shoulder the offensive load with the slow star
from eighty and Lebron.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Well eighty didn't have that many shots normally. Ad was
shooting like he's been shooting very well. He's shooting fifty
six percent from the floor. But fourteen shots you're not
gonna do much, So I can live with that. Lebron
had another He didn't shoot the ball well tonight. He
was awer two from three. The thing that I liked
the most tells me whatn't aggressive is he needed to
be because he shot zero free throws, So that was he
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telling That's telling me he wasn't as aggressive as he
needed to be. I liked the Lakers. They were ten
for ten from the free throw line. Now I had
to been ten for ten from the free throw line
the other night. They weren't lost to Orlando. But then
in the last thirty cents. They missed four of six
and got a Bogner hit a step back three, and
they ended up losing the game.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
But I like this. I liked the ballance scoring O choe.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They shot fifty three percent from the floor, They shot
thirty eight percent from the three, one hundred percent from
the three throw line.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
H They're still turning.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
The ball over a little bit too much, especially Lebron
Lebron right now, it's averaging probably about five turnals game.
Real sloppy with the ball. In order for you to
go for you can't turn it over. You pay double
for turnovers, just like in football. You turn the ball over,
you're gonna get runouts.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
So you think JJ is gonna stick with this lineup,
this lineup from out with them, I mean where they
perform even though Ad and Lebron had a slow start. Hell,
the guy damn not only the bench, but the lineup
that he did have in there. They showed it the
officer loads because Ad and Lebron had such a slow start.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
They got off to it. They got off to a
slow start. They started off San Antonio had a nine
to two lead. Yeah, the next thing you know, the
Lakers take over the ball game, and they don't look
back from that point because you got connected.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
He's the best shooter.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He's a guy that can take the three, and when
he takes the three, you expected to go in. He's
built up that kind of cacheke. The other guys are
streaky three point shooters. Alsto reasons not a great three
point shooter, but he's streaky. Lebron is streaky, ru It
is streaky. Of all these guys, they don't have sure
three point shooters like a Clay, like a stall Of,
like a buddy heell.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
But and you know guys like that.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They shoot the three, but you have to put so
much emphasis on it because everybody's shooting it. That's why
you see the Lakers. The Laker got up thirty four
of them. Even though you're like, hopefully we can make thirteen,
hopefully we can make fourteen.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But I thought they did a great job.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Wimby connect had twenty points, he had eight rebounds, he
got some ups. The things that I love about him,
he just doesn't settle. If you run him up the
three point line, he'll put the ball on the floor,
get to the mid range. He can finish all the
way at the rim. He got nice ups. Lebron's doing
a great job of finding him sneaking baseline. Lebron is
hitting for a couple of lobs this year. So I
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like him. He's more athletic than you think. But he
could really, he could really shoot the basketball. On the
Spurs side, you know, they got they got some. You know, look,
Wimby is the guy, but he didn't. He was nine
of twenty to night, he was two or nine from
the three. I think sometimes, Bro, it's seven four and
a half, may get your ass down on the block.
Stop shooting all him threes just because you can shoot them,
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just because you can make them. I don't think he
should live by that. And I think the thing is, look,
he's gonna have to. He's gonna have to put on
some weight. All that damn cooking, all the Mexican food
that they got down there, soul Kitchen, the soul food
they got in San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Get you in a couple of these restaurants and.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Get some biscuits and some tacos and burritos and some
hog malls and all that, and put some weight on you.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
But nine or twenty oh, some churls they're asking they
got Chiro, that's ass neck of the woods. So uh
but uh chuck, oh, Charles marklet okay, yeah, Oh, I
just think.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Look, I think he's gonna be really good. I mean,
a guy that high, that size, that height, he's not
side that high, can move and he can shoot the three.
But sometimes, bro, he shot zero at seven four and
a half. You shot zero three throws? Yes, zero.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You know you gotta you gotta understand too, what he's
comfortable with.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Uh, you know, you might want to play You might
want him to play in the post with is what
his back to the basket. But maybe tonight we just
wasn't it. Maybe tonight just win it for him. If
it's if it's outside game, mid range, three point, it's
really feels comfortable and he's not and he's not hitting
those shots, then that got that got a call got
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to come from inside.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
The house on the bench. Hey, get your ad down
in the post. Run plays for him to be down
in the post with his back, with his back against
the basket. If that's the case. So from the outside
looking in, hell, the coach need to say something, if anything,
if you're missing your shots, will they tell a shooter
keep on shooting.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, but I here ain't no shooter. You don't think so, no, no,
that is't what he is. Steps the shooter, Dame Lillard,
play Thompson, but.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Hold on, hold on, he listened. He's not that bad.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
He's not that that that that that maular the three.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But both of them people now, if you shoot thirty
five percent, they feel like I should have agreed like
to take ten. Okay, you make thirty five percent, but
you seven four, you get down on the block, you're
gonna get fired, or you're gonna shoot fifty five percent
from the floor. That's my thing, a combination. It's not
like it's not like Steph can post up. That's not
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Steph's game. But Steph, if you run him off the
three and he doesn't feel comfortable the side step, he'll
go all the way to the basket. Now, he ain't
gonna play above the rim. But he got a nice
float game, Trey Young, nice float game. Dang, nice float game.
So you got to have a package. You got to
do more than one thing in order to be really
good or to be great in this league. He's supposed
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to be great. He can rebound the basketball, he can
block shots. I mean, there are a lot of times
guys are very hesitant to shoot the ball when he's
in the vicinity. They'll pass it back out because they
don't want him to throw throw their shot into the
fourth throat, so they're very hesitant to try him at
the rim. He also knows that I'm gonna get dunked
on something. But I'm gonna get more than y'all get meat.
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And I'm gonna make you guys hesitant. I'm not gonna
be hesitant to try you, but I'll make you hethera
to try me.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's what I just that's just me personally, O Joe.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I just think nine of twenty two or nine and
you don't have zero three draw attempts, So that tells
me you spend.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Too much time outside. That's what that tells me.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But Lebron, like I said, Lebron was Lebron a triple double,
sixteen points, ten rebounds.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He needed the bounce back because he didn't play. He
didn't play well at all last night.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Riley says he doesn't count the Spurs or the Warriors
as the NBA dynasty.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
There have been three dynasties in my mind, Boston in
the sixties showtime Lakers Michael six and eight years was
dynastic without a doubt. I don't know if there's one now.
I mean, you don't count four and six years of
the dynasty.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
I mean I would think so, I mean so maybe maybe,
I mean, it depends on what pat Riley's criteria is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Maybe his criteria is different than everybody else's.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I mean, you can't get ojo in the sixties when
the Celtics won, they had eighteens. That eighteens right now,
and from the beginning they had seven Hall of Famers
at one point in time, level of the twelve thirteen
players were Hall of Famers. So I would like.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
To think that you should when when you know they
won eight in.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
A row, right damn?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But I mean, how how is that not? I mean,
the Lakers won five and nine years. Four and six
years not a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So if the Lakers, so, if Golden State went another,
that means they've won five and nine years. So I'm
just I'm confused. Yeah, I mean we got a Okhoe. Yeah,
I'm an old head too oho. You know, look, I
loved I love the era that I played it. I'm protected,
but I also give credit where credits due. That's okay
to give these new teams credit. That doesn't diminish what
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you did in the eighties. That doesn't diminish the Celtics
in the sixties. That doesn't diminish Mike, they did that.
But what so if somebody don't win six, they can't
be a So somebody don't win six.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
In that year, man, there ain't no dynasty.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Come on, bro, yeah, I mean it doesn't make any sense. Obviously,
Obviously being an old head and having a difference in
opinion when it comes to the criteria on what he
feels the dynasty is, there's a there's a complete disconnect
the Celtic player from from today's game as opposed to
the game back in the day.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Let me ask you this. So if the Celtics say,
if you don't win eight in a row, you're not
a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And ship and that ain't happening. That's that's not happening.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
To be able to keep a team's core players together
long enough to even win eight is damn the impossible.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And again, if the game of basketball is different today anyway,
it's complete any different, So the chance of doing that
it's also impossible, And I might be wrong, and if
I'm wrong, please correct me. The game of basketball was
a little different. I don't want to say easier. I'm
not saying a little easier, but as opposed to the
players today, and how how much more skilled and more
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athletic they are to win back to back like they
were as opposed to how they were doing back then.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You didn't have Simmits that could shoot the ball like
these guys can shoot the ball now. And that's okay.
There were no sixteen guys like Anthony Davis. There was
no guy like Joel Embiid. There's no guy like nicolea Jokic,
And that's okay. That's not to diminish those guys. Those
guys were great. But the guys are skilled.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
There are more guys that are able to do more
things than they were back then. And don't give me
that way. They didn't do it, but if they could,
they would have done it. They would have done it.
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's that's what when Jordan he realized, like, you know what,
I'm flying through the air, but if I want to
expand my game, I gotta get this mid range.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
So he worked on that.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
If guys could really shoot the three, then worked on
it and they got good at it like these guys have.
I mean, they're not baring many bigs that can't shoot
the three ball in today's game.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
On Joe, it's almost it's almost a pre raven set.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You've got to look at all your bigs, look at
all your great big I'm talking about the saying like
Yo Kitchen em Bead, Anthony Davis, they.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Can shoot it.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, even Kevin Rants not a five, but Kevin Rand
sixteen and a half, six eleven.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He can shoot it. It's just I just I just
don't like the fact that that we we don't want
to give.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
These guys credit. Yes, the league is different. Y'all didn't
want to look at the attendance with all they did
was fight. Look at the attendants in the nineties with
all them hard ass fouls. Nobody wanted that. People like
scoring as much as y'all could plain. That's what y'all
want to see. Y'all ain't bet nobody. I ain't never
seen nobody parlay where they said, hold this team under
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ninety points or defense. No, y'all wont scoring. Y'all want touchdowns,
you want home runs, you want threes and then when
the league gives it to you, artist, it is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I'm cool. Look, I understand the game is different.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I understand that they've legislated a lot of physicality out
of the game of basketball, out of the game of football.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I understand it, o yo. And we understand why.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
In football, right with the lawsuits, the concussion, the guys
being leaving the game, and a lot of them being injured.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
We get it.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, but isn't that what you want it? Who wants
to go to a game and see what they used
to see in the nineties. If in seventy three seventy
one the entire game that was the final score, right,
ain't nobody want to see that? Just like baseball? Oh,
a one nothing ball game? The purist man, I want
to see ten eleven to ten.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Let's see home runs.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yes, I want to see the ball going over. I
want to see the ball flying over the wall. I
want to see but up and down. I Look, I
ain't saying I want to see the NBA All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I don't want to see that bullgeye right right, But
I do want to I do want to see team
getting up and down. I want to see a game
that getting to the hundreds. But I disagree with pat Rodley.
Pat Riley also said that he could have won six
champions up the six championships if Lebron had stayed. Okay, yeah,
had you got it, I can agree. I could agree
with that Lebron had stayed. D Wade was there, but.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
D Wade that started to break down d Way. D
Wade's a little older.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Remember, d Wade had bad needs coming into it, and
for him to get as many years as he did
it lets you know how well he had taken care
of his body. But at his age, you got to realize.
D Wade went to school three years, so he's already
three to four years older than Lebron. So when he
gets seeing at that at that juncture, d Wade came
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in in two thousand and four, three oh three, Lebron
was he was oh three. So Lebron last year was
what twenty.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Thirteen, So think about that, that's thirteen, that's fourteen years.
So he got in, he's damn already about thirty six
thirty seven. Then then also at fourteen lost the first
and fourteen, so so that's already eleven years. So if
he's coming in.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
He's coming into the NBA O Joe at twenty three,
twenty two, twenty three, so he at least twenty two,
at least twenty nine, So now he's already thirty three.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I still think they could have dead it though.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Uh hey, we got we got Lebron, you had d Wade.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
What's what's a tall young bull name man? Oh Chris Bosh, Yeah,
Chris Boss.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
You gotta remember O Joe. The next year, he got
those blood c Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
I mean, just hypothetically speaking, if he didn't have the
issue with the blood clots as possible.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But what's the likelihood, because that's something that you can't
you can't factor in. He got the blood clots and
he really never played any more after that. I think
the way d Wade needs have started to get balky
on him. Uh Ray Allen was older. Uh yeah, he
could grow, but he had done. He had because we
got to remember when when Lebron left, Ray tired. I
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didn't Ray retire, Ray retired, m h, So he was done.
I think Rio ended up didn't real end up tearing
his a c L. I mean, oh Joe. In order
to win multiple championships, a lot of things have to
go right, and that that on that that doesn't always happen.
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And I get it because Pat Pat look Pat tried
to collect jewelry past the ring collector.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
At this part of his career.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
The only thing that mattered to him is Raid, and
he realized the likelihood of him every getting he loved
Jimmy Butler ain't Lebron and the likelihood of him ever
getting another one of those is not happening, right, And
he knows without that type of player, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
It's hard to win.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Unless you got guys like you got a Jaylen Brown,
you got a Jason Tatum that you broomed, that you
got together, and they're okay with each other, playing off
of each other. One doesn't get mad if somebody gets
more credit or more pub and you don't have the vickery.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That's why. That's why Kareem and Magic you got us
big and a little and Cap You've been here with
how you wanted.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Magic was always was already deferential to Kareem, Kobe and Shack,
but it toward apart and boom, prematurely it was gone.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
You look at Clay, You look at Steph Clay like okay,
I'll be the second and third gradit shooter ever, I'm
cool with that. Right, they stay together, they went four,
Kyrie and Lebron, boom, whatever happens they start to butt
split it up.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, so a lot. You got a lot of times.
Don't you gotta swallow your pride? You gotta. I started
watching The Dynasty today, the story about the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Right, take a list, look at it.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's good. Yeah, all right, let me say, letna check
that out.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Check that out. Yeah, it's very good. Stefan Maberry on
the Gold debate, how's Lebron better than Joe when he
is better than Kobe? I'm trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Oh man, man, this is an ongoing debate.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It is, and you're not gonna settle it. You got
people in George's corner, you got people in Lebron. But
what I don't understand on your lips. But I'm gonna
let you go on this. This is what I don't understand.
If you support Lebron, you're getting paid. So how much
is Jordan and Kobe paying? Is supporters? Nobody will answer
that because if you say something, you on clutch payroll.
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So when they say on Kobe, if Kobe'll stayed paying you?
Are you getting free shoes? Are you getting free gear
from Jordan? Is Jordan paying you? That's all I want
to know. If y'all can answer that, I'm cool right
where you are on that debate. If you say Jordan,
if you say Kobe, if you say Magic, if you
say Shot, you say Koreem, you say Lebron. More time
than not, people are already dug in. It's kind of
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like the election. People had their mind made up. It
was gonna be President Trump. You not moving them off that, right?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You're not?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, why do you waste your time? I saw Jordan,
I saw Lebron. I'm cool either way. I know who
I feel right and I'm good with it. I ain't
losing no sleep over it.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
But man, it's it's very difficult when we talk about
the greats, the elite, the elite grace that are in
a class of their own, especially when it comes to football.
You know your T's, your Randy Mosses, you Jerry Rice's,
then you talk about your Lebron's, you goddamn Michael Jordan, Ja,
Kobe Bryant. I mean, these dudes are the cream, the
cream of the crop at their respective crafts. And you
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have to nick pick and and and be and and
and take a fine tooth comb just to be able
to separate the two, you know, I mean actually the
three and in this case, and I think it all
comes down the preference.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I think all he does on huh.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Jordan had the prettiest game you've ever seen. You want
to see somebody hang in the air. He was the
first guy that we really saw jo that Connie Hawkins
could glide through the air, Doctor j could glide through
the air. But when we really got when basketball really
hit magic and Jordan's and then Jordan came along, that
guy elevated flying through the air with his tongue hanging out.
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I'm like, Okay, he different, He's different. It's gotta be
the shoes. But then he had all the commercials. He
had to the Haynes, and he had the Yeah Haines,
and he had the Air George, and he had Gatorade
and he had all he was He was it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
He made dark skin cool good again because the throw
here led the barge the cheek of the barge and
al be sure man brother could get no play right,
he could get he.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Could get nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
But but then you look, you look, you got you
got Kobe who comes along, young seventeen eighteen year old
who mimicked and idolized Jordan and took some of theriysms,
that same that mama mentality, that same killer instinct. When
it came to playing the game of basketball, well, he
give nobody no grace, no place.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
He had that same killer instinct, you know, out there
on the court and the mannerisms, the movements, the style
of play, it was damn near the same, right and
then and then Lebron shows up.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And that's why I say it's three different almost three
different areas eras where they kind of kind of crossed
and messed a little bit. But and like I mean, dude,
I don't know why we just enjoy all of them,
you know, and not have the put him up against
each other when it comes up who the best of
what they do?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, I mean, none of these guys had the expectations
that Lebron had. So Kobe got a chance just to
blend in ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight, they happened.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Kobe came off the bench. Lebron never came off the bench.
Lebron could have been start of the NBA in high
school the grade he was, Jordan hit the floor, Jordans running.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Jordan was second team All the NBA. He averaged twenty
eight points a game. He was sensational. But Jordan didn't
have the expectations because we hadn't seen a guy come out.
Kevin nur Ke, Kevin Garnett was the high first high
school player that had come out straight from high school
in a very long time. But even KG did not
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have the expectations what Lebron hated and whatever you thought
Lebron might be. If you thought Lebron, Lebron has exceeded expectations.
Nobody thought he's a past first when people say, well,
look at how many times Jordan shot the ball at
least twenty two times a game in his career. Look
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how many times Lebron shot to get ball twenty two
times a game in his career for a season like
twelve or thirteen to jordan fifteen season, he shot the
ball at least twenty two times. Right, so if you
extrapolate that, now here's Lebron. He's number one in points,
he's top five and assists. You're never gonna see that again.
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You're never gonna see that again, right, So there's compelling
arguments that you can make for whoever you decide. But
that's STEFI Marlboro's opinion. He look, I don't think he's
very fond of Lebron. That's okay, that's okay. Like I said,
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I look, everybody know, y'all just saw me or whatnot
selling about three hundred pairs of shoes. It damned the
two other video with Jordan's So y'all know what I
feel about Jordan, and I got a boatload of a
bunch of Kobe that I don't even know if I'm
gonna get rid of those. But it's just it's all.
It's a preference. But the question is if y'all, if
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Kobe hadn't the body hadn't broken down, y'all think Kobe
would have stoped the twenty.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Years or he kept playing O Joe kept playing?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
If Jordan's body hadn't broken down, do you think he
just stopped at fifteen season?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Or who he kept playing?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Kept playing?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Kept playing?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Y'a't get back and Lebron because Lebron took care of
himself and his body hadn't betrayed him yet. Kobe, Kobe
took care of himself, but he started having you know,
he had the ki Lees injury at that age, at
that at that junction of your career. Oh Joe, you
get one of those man. Yeah, by time, bro, But
he had tourists labrom his you know. It was just
the way, yeah, you know, because Kobe was going they
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was going to the NBA Finals and they fight, they
have the long seasons, and his body just broke down.
Jordan gonna get his cigars, hen if Jeorde gonna get
on them sticks hard. Jordan had them one man a
thing be lasted two three days. He probably going through
three or four. But they but look, if you like Jordans,
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I ain't gonna fight you. If you like Kobe, I
ain't gonna fight you. If you like Lebron, welcome home.
But if you don't like Lebron, I don't dislike it. Right,
it's just the preference. After They always had a lot
to say this evening, though, Joe said he feels like
the team is growing the park that they can't talk
to each other anymore. It's everyone. He's not singling out
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the nubies says, everyone has their own agendas right now
at we gotta look up everybody chair efing hype. We
get down and don't nobody say nothing. That's the definition
of front running. We're a team, including myself, we're all
front runners. Tonight it was some bulldeye for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
You know it.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
All teams go through this, everybody go through this every
every every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Unlet it's still early in the season.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
If you're gonna have a time like this, the first
thing you got to do is, hell, you're the captain.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I'm sure you're the captain, the one of the leaders
of the team. He call the goddamn team meeting call
of goddamn team meaning land listen, man, we ain't feeling.
We can't rock like this if not, if we're trying
to reach the end goal. Before the season started. We
know what the end goal is, but we can't be
operating like this, not this early. She y'all better get
it and fuck together.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah. I agree.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's just tough oo because now you have expectations. You
went to the Western Conference finals last year. But what
I don't get is that you went to the Western
Conference finals and you trade your second best player I
did with there's something that we don't know that he
and Cat. I thought he and Cat. When I sat
down with Cat, he had a great he talked about
(39:06):
they have a great relationship. You don't really know, Joe,
unless you're in that locker room. You really don't know.
But I have no reason to believe that Cad was lying. Right,
you like Julius, I don't know if he's as good
a fit as Cat right.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Okay, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I don't like him with Cat. I don't like Jewlish
with Cat right like I like Cat with Ad. Okay,
that's what I meant to say.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I don't like Ad with Julius like I did add
with Cat. Kat. Okay, But yes, and you.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Got expectations now, and sometimes the hardest thing is to
overcome his expectations. You see, when you weren't doing anything,
you'll missed the playoffs and you want going very far.
Now you have expectations. People expect you to be great.
That's the hardest thing. That's what people don't understand about
greatness is that that once you reach that level, is
to stay there. We've seen a lot of guys go
to the Pro Bowl one year being all pro one year,
(40:08):
But can you do it the year after year, year
after year, game after game, month after month. That's what
that's what's so spectacular is that you have this. I
mean Tom Brady got there and he stayed there. Peyton
Manny got there and he stayed there. Mahomes since he's
been the starter, has been there. And you look at
the other grades. You look at the JJ Watt, you
look at the TJ Watt, and you look at these guys,
(40:30):
the Reggie wife, the Dion's, the Jerry's. Now, obviously, once
you start getting later, later, you're not gonna be what
you were. Oh Jo, you know, year five and here
you are your fourteen fifteen quarterbacks can but it gets
harder and harder for skilled position players. Like I said,
Jerry is an anominally Jared played twenty six. Jerry is
anominally Ojo. You're not gonna get You're not gonna find
(40:53):
another Jared Rice. A guy to have a fout, have
over twelve hundred yards at forty plus. That ain't happening.
At forty two. We had one hundred yard game.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
O't yoe? Can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah, hey, he's the goat for a reason.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
And The thing is, though, O Joe, is that you
get to the Western Conference finals with Cat and and
and you moved Cat.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
I mean, I mean listen that that that might have
been something internally and they it just never ever got out,
you know, they kept it under wraps. Kat maybe voice
his frustrations about being there, and they made it happen.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Look, Leon Rose used to be at CIA. Now he's
running here in Worldwide West.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
They're running the next m h.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
That was Cat's first agent, I think if I'm not
mistaken right, So obviously cats from.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
The Jersey area. That's great.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I mean, it's he could have been They could have
traded him to a worse place. But and talking to him,
he wanted to build on what they had started. You know, like, okay,
I got here. We were bad at first, but now
we got you know, we got at We got a
superstar to pair alongside with me. We can go places,
(42:14):
you know, Mike Coley orchestrat and everything. You got, Rudy, Uh,
you got uh Daniels, you got some you got some
nice pieces. Oh, Joe nas Red coming off the bench,
I just did that. I'm surprised that they made that move,
considering how far they got the previous year.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
So you don't you don't think, you don't think, you
don't think their chance of making the Western Final are
good having Julius No.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
No, I don't. Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Boockie Cousins believed that Zion Williamson was set up to
fail by being drafted to a city like New Orleans.
I thought, I thought it was a bad decision. Let's
rewind all the way back when this guy's getting drafted.
We knew he's going to New Orleans. It was away
concern that was bad there in New Orleans of the
place that just gives help. That's a place that you
go to game tempiles, you go out there and drink,
have a good time. That's what the culture is in
(43:13):
New Orleans. So to put that kid in the situation
like they expect them thrive, that was the first mistake.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
The city had nothing to do with him playing one
hundred and ninety games over five Oh Joe, Yeah, So
I'm not spoke. So he is the best talent in
the draft. I'm not gonna draft him because of New Orleans.
It's one of the fastest cities in the USA, right,
but I'm not gonna draft it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Because come back.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I mean, listen, we can't make no, we can't make
no excuses.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Now you know that's them.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Once you get drafted, you get your team of people
that understand, that have your best interests at hard and
knowing what it takes for you to compete at a
high level and live up to the expectations that you
had coming out of coming out of college. It's pretty simple.
It's not hard. It's not rocket science. Take the game
basketball series is like you've always taken it all your life.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Now that you've been afforded the opportunity to live out
your childhood dream, it's not that difficult.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
We've seen a lot of players do it, especially if
you want to be great at what you do. You
want to be great that your he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Want to be great.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
You want to play. You want to play very, very
long and not get your money and then fold.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Zion had the problem what I told my kids, I
can't want something more than you want it for yourself.
Everybody wants Zion to get in shape except Zion. Everybody
wants Zion to have discipline except Zion. So how can
I want something How can the team want something more?
For him than he wants it for himself, right, that's
why they put it in contract. Look how it got
(44:43):
it in his contract that he have to hit weight
clauses because they know him.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's not the team fault. That ain't.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
That ain't that ain't got nothing to do with New Orleans.
That's Zion didn't know his No discipline ass, that's all
that comes down to.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Ojo.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Discipline requires you to do your very best when no
one else is watching, doing what you want need to
do instead of what you want to do. I know,
I want to eat these this gumbo, I want to
eat this jumbala. I want to eat this pole boy,
I want to eat this at two faith, this boodham.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
But what I need to do is to hire me
a personal chef and eat fish and eat chicken, and eat.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Turkey and eat lean cuts of meat and eat badgies.
But that's not what he that's not what he that's
not what he needs, that's what he wants to do.
So he eats that bull dye and then everybody to
make excuses for him.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
He just a big people talking about shad a look
at an elephant. He all he eat his grass. Yeah,
but he eat four hundred pounds of the day. That's
why his ass big yeah, look at a whale. Yeah, well,
you eat thousands and thousand pounds of crimp, you gonna
beat big yeah z A. Y'all doesn't have discipline. Y'all
(46:04):
gotta stop making excuses. But he one hundred million too.
Do you see what the money that Jason Tatum just got?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, that could be.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
And his approach to the game is completely different. His
approach to the game is completely different.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
He himself out the league. Well, I guess well, you know, hey,
ask for a trial with the Saints. They play left tackle,
baby can play d N. They don't give damn. I
give me you get in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on, i'mna turn this
ac down.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
I'm cold shit.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Man, I don't get it. I don't chang chant y'all,
y'all can't convince me. Now, y'all have made their excuses.
And I'm not trying to shame the man, but this
is embarrassing. This is embarrassing. He don't care enough about
the game. But y'all mad at me when I call
him out and says he's undisciplined, that he doesn't he
doesn't he's not trying well maybe, but stop. Yeah, y'all
(47:02):
say let the kid eat, even though the man eating
himself out of a job. Y'all, I could see the
guy that said that that tells him everything I need
to know about you, that says that says more about
you than it tell us about him. Let you see
a man sabotage of himself and you say let him
continue down this road. But then y'all quick to say
(47:23):
why the vest didn't pull him aside? Why did Shannon?
Why didn't you reach out? Why did you try to help?
Because dumb dumbs like you jump in the chat and
say let the man eat, y'all the same ones that
when ab was on that bull job. Let that man
live in his life, Shaunter, you don't live your You
don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Look it's embarrassing, I know. Think about what you said.
He's only twenty two and he that big. Big kids
(48:00):
become big adults. Baby elephants are cute and cuddly, what
do they grow up to be?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Big?
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Oh? Yoe? This man?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Somebody in the chance say let that man live his life.
Another dude talking about he only twenty two. Uh he
that big at twenty two? How old he gonna be?
How big is he gonna be at twenty five?
Speaker 3 (48:24):
On, yoe? How big he gonna be at thirty?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
What about when you retire? Hey, boy's colder's hell? Ain't
here boy, I'm not bad shit?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
But see but see when when when? When they always say, well,
ain't have nobody's corner the veterans. But when best try
to tell him? Listen what what people have tried to
I guarantee people in the locker room have tried to
tell us all y'all bro oh, yoe, I got somebody
to prepare my meals. I've had somebody to prepare my
meals for the last ten fifteen years. Don't make their
(48:58):
land the money? You mean to tell me you got
a almost a two hundred million dollar contract and you
can't pay one hundred thousand or one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Because I look at it as an investment.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Oh to you buy something for you invest in something,
you expect that thing to play down.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
The road.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
For a little bit. Look at it now.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
People bought Apple, Google, Netflix, n Veada, whatever the case
may be. You invest a little, you get a lot, right, Joe,
you mean to tell me I can't invest in me.
You mean to tell me I can't invest in me.
I can't spend a million dollars. I can't spend a
million dollars two million dollars to get fifty seventy million
dollars a year in return.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, listen, this is this is the case that we
always talk about. As a player. You have to want
it for yourself. You can't want it more than him.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
So people locker.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Room telling them, coaches telling them, friends, telling them, whether
it be family, telling.
Speaker 7 (49:53):
Them until he gets it through his mind. In order
for me to function at the best of my ability
at the highest level and become remain one of the
greats and lyrics to the expectations that we all thought,
you know, he would be, he has to want to
do it.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
We can't complain about it.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I said in the Beata. I didn't say the bottle
cast it, I said in the Beata. But okay, yeah,
but closely, I ain't say no the bottle.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I didn't say that. I mean, oh, you the guys
missed one hundred and ninety games in five seasons. Yeah,
one hundred and ninety games. That's damn there forty games
a season.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
Yeah, but I know one thing again, yeah, I know
one thing what I know what I know, I know
what he looks like, and I know what you get
once see on that goddamn caught boy.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Okay, when is it that? Though?
Speaker 5 (50:46):
I know, I know, I hear what you're saying, Baby,
I hear we say that that that joker nice boy
when he is playing.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Ain't no telling what he fin the two?
Speaker 3 (50:54):
So is he a part time or full time employee?
Because I'm being in full time wages, but I'm getting
part time work part time?
Speaker 5 (51:01):
And do you think Oh, I got a question for
you though, what do you think about them trading him?
And if if they if he was to go in
the trade block, or if they are fed up with
him not being healthy, not being available, what would you
like to see him go?
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Because here's the thing, let's just say, for the sake
of argument, that trading it's gonna lit even worse if
you get his ass in shape, because why couldn't.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
You do it? There?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Ah, that's that's that's a good one. But I mean, oyo,
they maybe maybe maybe maybe a change of scene is necessary.
Maybe it's something that he needs.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
They got they gotta half fat food everywhere you go?
What here? You think? You always say you gonna turn
the beacon.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I don't get why people when you get in that situation,
O Joe. And this is what I tell guys all
the time. There'll be a time and a place you
can act the damn food. But before then, get all
the money you can, so then when they get rid
of you, you could say I got five hundred million
self on a million, I can act a damn food.
But I'm not leaving no money on the table, right,
(52:09):
I'm not, And I'm not gonna end my career prematurely.
I almost squeeze every last bit because I'm sure I
can find something to do with the hug or the
peel of the orange. I'm sure I can find some
use with it. I'm gonna get all the juice and
then I'm gonna eat it, but I gotta find a use.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Let me look up. What can I do with an
orange pill? Is there's something I can do? Hey? I
can cook, I can squi it. The zets don't put
zest on orange zence, Yeah, I can. I can find
something on you I'm getting every last drop out of
this orange, right, I'm just not gonna juice. That's it.
Come on, bro, and.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
You gotta think maybe maybe as he gets older, maybe
a click, maybe it will click.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
You realize it's harder to get waid off here when
you're that side that you get older.
Speaker 5 (52:55):
Oh, you ain't got to tell me, because you know
when I when I was, when I was eighteen, I
was about now, man.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
I don't man with that kind of Oh Joe, do
you know what some people not?
Speaker 6 (53:09):
Not all?
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Because we've seen people have good jobs and that one
professional athletes and squander it and if it.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Up being tardy or being drunk, getting high, doing whatever
the case may be. But when you get in that situation,
how I wonder how many times did that man dream
of being in.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
The situation that he was in?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Say, Lord, if you help me get here, I ain't
gonna no way, I mess it up right right, and Lord,
bel hold to get there and then boom, that's what
I just I just don't get it. I don't, I don't.
I don't get it, and nobody's gonna make me understand. Oh,
Joe bj Armstrong Today's NBA player Robots who just shoot
(53:50):
three pointers in hunt for files. When I go watch
the game, there's no more creativity, there's no more imagination.
It's just we have basically robots running up and down
the court. You run to the three point line. I
run to the three point line. First, I try to
get a lay up. I can't get a layup. I
try to get fouled. If someone drives and they don't
call a file, these players go berserk. Now if they
have the ride of pass to go to the basket
(54:10):
and look more foul, they're not even going to the basket.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Score.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
They're looking to the basket. They're looking to go to
the basket, get fouled. This is what's being taught. I'm
not going to be mad at the players. This is
what's being taught. We stripped the players of any kind
of imagination. We've stripped the players of any type of
Read the defense, take what the defense is giving you.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
You agree, I mean, I understand what he's saying. But
the game is evolves and bj is played, and there
are players that have a creative mindset. There are players
that are really good at creating space, putting the ball
on the floor, being able to beat people off the
dribble on their own. That in itself is creativity.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Where is the creativity taking sixty three the night? Well?
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Hold on, there are very few teams that do that,
you know that, right? The Celtics, the war established how many?
Speaker 3 (55:00):
How many? How many threes dot the NBA game? We're fits,
Hold on it.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
They shot seventy and in the Lakers game. In the
Lakers game tonight, they shot seventy four combined threes they
made twenty seven of them.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Hold on, I'm talking about efficient. Who's more efficient from
from the three point line outside of the goddamn Warriors
and Celtics.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
That's that's his point. Ain't nobody efficient? And they keep
jacking them up? You made it?
Speaker 3 (55:32):
You made it?
Speaker 5 (55:33):
Thought, Yeah, yeah, listen, old, old the old heads came.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
The game is different, Oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
They average shooting per team thirty seven and a half
threes per game. Okay, so when you extrapolate that times too,
that's seventy four threes a game.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
You know what that's like. That's like me saying, you
know what, I'm mad. There's no creativity and we don't
run the ball to open up the pass first like
they did back when we was playing. Now they throwing
the ball seventy times a game. Yeah, the game has changed,
the game is evolved. It's not the same as it
once was. At some point you got to adapt with
the times that we're in and not complain about them.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
And just enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
But I listen, I totally understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I do understand something is going on, because the ratings
is not looking good right now, Ojo. The lack of defense.
You know, they feel like people are just going to
the basket. They cry, like you said, they cry when
they don't get fouled. I understand there's some type of bru.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
I mean, o Jo.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
If I thought, if it's like they turn the ball over,
they think they get fouled, they argue with the referee
and the other teams got the ball going. If I
think I got held and the quarterback throws a pick
and the guy running the ball the other way, why
the hell I'm gonna argue with the back judge. Let
me go make the tackle and then the next time out,
I said, bro, that will he helped me.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
These guys argue with the officials and the guys that
have got the ball and breaking they laying it up.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Mm hmm, yeah, uh, I don't know. Look, I'm like you, o, Joe.
I look, I take it for what it is. I
know the game is evolved, It's gonna ever evolved, and
I think some people gotta just get over the fact. Right,
(57:24):
this is what it is now. It ain't going back,
It's not it's not going back. It's going forward. And
you might even see less defense, you might see more
threes because everybody feels the way to win games is
to shoot the three. And that's why you don't see it.
Ain't nobody. That's why you don't see a whole lot
of guys that could post upright, post stuff for what
(57:46):
that's a two. You don't see guys trying the duncans.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
But it used to.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
I want to be like Mike, they said. Now I
want to be like Steph. I mean, oh, you're look
at it. You watch watch your YouTube seven eight year
old stepping back shooting three. Ain't nobody going to the
basket them joking, stepping back shoot three.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Like James Harden. I was like, bro, come on that.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, that's where the game is hited. They see it
and it is what it is. Hey, I've accepted it.
I don't get bad, hey, I just look at it like, damn,
y'all at least at least stop it. Just don't let
it have a layup line. That's a I and you
know how didn't be warm up on you and to
just lay them all up. Sometimes it'd be like that
(58:29):
in the game. I'm like, bro, y'all not gonna stop
them at all. Y'all got to even started, like try,
that's where they are.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
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