Nightcap - Hour 1: Thunder beat T-Wolves to go up 2-0, Charles Barkley wants Tyrese’s dad unbanned! - Nightcap

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thunder take a commanding two O lead one eighteen to
one to three over the Minnesota timber Woods. We'll get
into that game in just a second. As I said again,
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just got beat by the thunder as he wrote that backwards,
but anyway, one eighteen to one oh three. Shae was
sensational again tonight, thirty eight points on twelve to twenty one,
shooting one of two from the three point line. He's aggressive,

(02:17):
it's always thirteen to fifteen from the free throw line.
But he got great help from Jalen Williams twelve to
twenty twenty six big points, chet Holgen twenty two big points.
Jayalen Williams also chipped in. He was their leading rebounding
He had ten rebounds, count him up ten rebounders rebounds.
Minnesota at was a very inefficient He did have thirty

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two points, Oh Joe and then Roy, but took him
twenty six shots to get it. One of nine from
the three point line. Remember the other night, I think
he was one for seven from the three point line,
and Julius just didn't have it tonight. This is by
far his worst game in the postseason thus far. Two
of eleven from the four or three from the three
point line, only six points, and that's when that's not

(03:00):
good enough to get it done.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I thought the bitch played extremely well.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Gave him thirty five big points to night O Joe,
but yeah, starters that let him down. Mike Collin three points, Roy,
Rudy Gobert. Now, all of a sudden, he don't look
like Will Chamberlain, he doesn't look like he doesn't look
like Shaquille O'Neill. When he got competent centers, little bit
out there against it and Julius again said he only
had six points. Rue.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
I'm gonna start with you. I watched this game, Ojo.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I watched this game extremely, extremely close because I wanted
to see something.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Minnesota can get more than a game if they can
get that, because the game will be close, Ojo, and
then they say, you know, they'll dart off and it'll
be up by fifteen. They will let back down to six,
and then they take off again and it'll be up
by fourteen. Watching this game, I'm just I'm convinced they
can't win this series, but I'm not sure they can

(03:53):
get more than a game if that Roy. Watching this game,
what is that's been so impressive? And they've been impressive
all year, so I guess we shouldn't really be surprised
by the thunder sixty eight wins in the regular season,
the MVP. Uh, they got a Defensive Player of the Year,
excuse me, a defense all defensive player and lou Dort.
What is it that OKC is doing to make it

(04:15):
seem like Minnesota doesn't really belong on the court with him.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, to me, to be honest with you, is like
the defense a around the three point line as soon
as Anthony Edwards crosses the three point line, there's bodies
around him, So like the open space the drives to
be able to get to the basket and have those
explosion and Dunke at the rim, those opportunities definitely are
not there. And then the second thing for me is

(04:41):
obviously just the guys like Caruso. I mean, you guys
played played sports, and much of the superstars played well.
They need like the inculary players, the role players to
play well. Wallace Dort, Jalen Williams, he's an All Star,
but on the defensive end, they were hunting out and
playing the passing lanes looking for tips in the you
know they it only says they have nine steals here,

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but I feel like they should have at least a
lot more on the stat sheet because any passed over
the top to get to Julius Randall, Dort would sniff
it out and then it leads to a transition bucket
or Jalen Williams, he'd be up in the defense getting deflections,
getting tips. I think he has should have way more
than I think two steals that he has on the night,
but he was getting out leading the offense through their defense.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
He was, And I think the thing is is that
that you're right they're loading up. They're not that Anthony
Edwards lived through those creases get to the basket, oahoe
where he can get the and once he got a
couple of to night. But they're doing a great job
of loading up on him. And they've got very active hands.
You see every time Rudy Gobert get off his rebound,
they slap it out, they get it going the other way.
And when you turn the ball over against a team

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that's that have great wing players, that means they in
transition before you know it, because they're taking the ball
away at the top of the key to three point line,
so they don't got very far to go. It's not
a one outlet laying up at the other end. Oh Joe,
you picked Minnesota. What's been the most disappointing thing? Because
they've been very disappointed. These games really haven't been close.

(06:09):
What's been the most disappointing thing when you're watching Minnesota
that you're like, Damn, this ain't the team that beat
the Lakers, for one, this is not the team that
beat uh the Warriors and made it and did it convincingly.
What is it that's been most disappointing watching the Tea
Woods play.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Hey, honestly, just to tell you the truth. Inconsistency. Inconsistency.
One game, you know, Julius Randall, he goes off, he
goes crazy. Then we have another game where Anthony Edwards
he's been efficient, and he has he's been inefficient in
both game. He's putting up he's putting up points, but
he's taking a lot of shots to hit get the points.

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He's not very he's not very efficient from the field,
and he's passing games his help. He's not getting much
help collectively from the starters as well. The benches is
doing okay, but the starters need to need to contribute
a little bit more often as opposed to counter to
offset what with home with with Check and Jayden with
Jayden Williams and and Shade are doing out there. Outside

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of that, I mean, Anthony everas is being aggressive as
he can, but defensively they're smothering him.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
They're they're contesting every shot.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
And they making him very difficult and difficult for Anthony
Evers gets it the hole and get to and get
the points that he is getting.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
After these past two.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Games, and looking at it, I'm kind of nervous for
making my pick, for picking the Wolves.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
I thought they would have played much better.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Sga showing why he is the MVP, being very efficient
from the field and getting everyone else involved as well
and collectively as a team defensively, I mean, they're they're
doing what they've done all season long. They've won sixty
eight games for a reason in the season, and to
see the Wolves down to zero, I'm kind of shocked.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
I shouldn't be shocked, but I kind of am thinking that.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
The Wolves will play a little better, especially after winning
the previous series, for one, and I'm I'm kind of
sad a little bit.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, I think the thing is for me is that
they're doing a great job of turning Minnesota over and
they're doing a good, great, great job of taking care
of the basketball. They forced fourteen turnovers, turn those into points.
They only had six turnovers. And the difference is that
this is a team and like we talk about this
all the time, you look at them, they're wing guys.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
They're loaded with wing defenders. They got six.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Quality guys on a gift forget forget the starters when
they come in with their role players. They come in
with Caruso, they come in with Wallace, they come in
with Isaiah Joe, they come in with Wiggins Road. Those
are elite. They're elite defenders on the wing. And you see,
I mean their their deflections and tips. Even if they

(08:48):
don't steal the ball, O Joe, now they've because they've
got a deflection, they've taken three, four, five seconds off
the shot clock. Now you in a rush to get
into your set, to try to get a quality shot.
They make you pay for every turnover, every bad shot
that you take. You throw off something, and all of
a sudden you hit the floor. They got the ball,
it's ahead, and the next thing you know, they're laying

(09:10):
up at the other end.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Go ahead, Roy.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
I won't say in terms of the Timberwolves. You know,
Anthony Edwards didn't do it too much this game, but
from the last like thing, like three or four games.
I feel like at the beginning of the game, when
he gets to the basket, before he even feels the contact,
he's like screaming looking for the refs to bail him out,
and he misses those chippies around the rim. I've seen

(09:34):
him go body to body and it's like dunk on people.
I know that's not always like how it goes, but
he has that finesse euro step and everything like that.
And the next thing I will say is like, I'm
a little bit harder on big guys. And I think
something that you said earlier on about go Bear playing
against competent biggs. You know, when I look at Isaiah

(09:54):
Hartenstein and his good connection with check Man, that left
handed push floater is elite around that around the middle
zone and all around that baseline. And then the fact
that he can have that little hot push shot and
then also have the high low lobs to check is great.
But those bigs you know are are doing well. I
need to see go Beart make better decisions when he's

(10:17):
like rolling to the basket, when he catches the ball,
when he does dribble, because you know, obviously he's not
a great offensive threat, but he needs to give you
a little bit something more than just dump off passes
or just tip backs. He needs to have good you know,
ball possession and make good decisions or good Chris passes.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Hit people on the numbers.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Hey, even though you know Roy is a liability is
the word nobody? Yeah, even though Rudy's a liability offensively,
you know, he seems so unorthodox on the offensive end.

(10:56):
But they're they're they're passes that are in there for layups,
for put back that he shouldn't be able to make,
especially in the game of this magnitude, as important as
this game is, and it just seems he's so out
of sync unless he's on the defensive end, you know,
outside of you know, tipping and tipping the ball back
in or catching the rebound and kicking it back out
like he has to. He has to be better in

(11:18):
those games where he had twenty seven and the other
the previous game where he had twenty four. In the
last series, we need some of that magic in order
for them to have a chance because outside of ant
Man and Julius has to beat has to be on point.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, Jewish have to play better every game. Yeah, outside of.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Those two, it ain't looking good right now.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Man. The problem is is that when Rudy had that
twenty seven point twenty four rebound game, it made you
forget in Utah, he was unplayable in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Last year, he was unplayable in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
It seems that people forgot that he's never been an
offensive guy, and now he's not really giving you anything defensively.
He had one block. So if he's not giving you
think anything defensively, what is his purpose?

Speaker 4 (12:00):
What is his use?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Nothing? I mean, he's got to be able to give
you some roy. He got to give you something on
one end or the other. Yeah, you'd like to have
him give you twelve points, twelve rebounds, four blocks, and
some altars. He's not giving you any of that. And
what happened in the Lakers series it made everybody forget
that Rudy Gobar has been basically his entire career unplayable

(12:24):
in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
In playoff games. That's his story.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
We saw him against the Clippers, we saw him every
we see him in the playoffs, and it for some
reason people forgot that. Man, Rudy, don't turn it.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
No, he hasn't.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
He's playing against the team that didn't have bigs or
didn't have competent bigs. And so now he's able to
play thirty thirty four minutes, Saint Rudy normal to play
twenty minutes, and come fourth quarter time, he ain't nowhere
near the floor. Yes, standing up when they call time out.
He's standing up looking over everybody shoulders. Luve. Hey, y'all
get that now, cause you know I ain't coming back
out there. He's got to give you more. I mean,

(13:01):
you think about this. Man gave you tonight, O Joe.
He gave you five points, nine rebounds, one assist in
one block in thirty minutes one block. You talking about
a four time defensive Player of the Year and Shae
getting getting into the basket at will. That's not supposed

(13:21):
to happen, Okay, Jaylen Williams get into the basket at
will and been like, man, well, damn, bro, you're supposed
to be guarding the rim is the money. You're security.
You talk flas security. He said, hey, y'all, come come
on in here and get that right there. Go lay
that up. Don't have any right. Yeah, he I hate

(13:42):
fing to hold you. I'm looking at him like bron
And see. The thing is is that he's never been
row and correctly from wrong. When I think of Rudy Gobert,
I don't think about a great on ball defender.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
I think of a great help defender.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Because if you look at big that he gonna get,
they cook his ass. Every big that he goes against Cooking.
I'm like, I ain't saying you gotta stop Yo Kacher,
but you can't let him have forty seven and twenty.
I ain't saying you gotta stop joeling b but you
can't let him get thirty five in nineteen. Every big
now when he goes against somebody, now he's the he

(14:17):
going against a Ruid, or he gotta play against Lebron.
He gotta play against you know, a Vanderbilt. Oh he
just eating I like that. I'm thinking Will Chamberlain. Now
look at this right here again bigger, and he's their
biggest player. So and unless you come in with Naz
Red and Nas is really not a back to the basket.

(14:39):
He's not a low post. He prefers to be like
a stretch five on the wing. That's where he likes
to play. Occasionally, if you get a mismatch, you'll go.
He did a lot more driving on the basketball, a
lot more playing with his back to the basket because
he had a mismatch. But if they don't get anything
out of Rudy Gobert, something offensively or defensively, Jewish Renal
can't give you six. He needs to give you if

(15:02):
a man gave you thirty two, he need to give
me twenty four to twenty eight. That's the only way
they're gonna have a chance. When you got Shay got
thirty eight, you got Jayla Wias got twenty six, and
Chack got twenty two, that's the only way you're gonna
have a chance. I don't believe they could win this series, Roy,
but it's hard at watching this game, really really like
watching and watching what they do. It's just hard for

(15:23):
me to see them winning a game.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Hey, royan un man that god damn sga man. I knew,
I knew he was nice. You know, I knew he
was nice. But may he breaking the wool's spirit out there?

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Man?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Defensively, we have.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
No answer for him. May he get to a spotsey
drawing files. He's freezing the defenses. It has he the
he put that four arm, He created space.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
He created that space for that shoulder like Carmello A
little bit. Man, I'm like, his toolbox is crazy. You
got a crazy toolbox, And I showed Joe took about
the medi being somewhat non existence.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
And more to the players, Man, his mid range game
is crazy y points.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
He is minty he getting about eleven twelve points just
on mid range alone outside of threes.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
And because he works on it, everybody else want to
be at the basket or they want to shoot the three.
Nobody really works on the media. Look at the guys
that really work at the mini. Look at Kawhi Nice,
look at Shaye Nice, look at guys that really work
at the mid range. You gotta really work at it,
just like you put time in it shooting those threes.
Put time in working on the threes. Roy, you had

(16:32):
a point you wanted to make, go ahead. No, I
mean everything O Joe said was exactly right. But to
me also like the mental side of the game too.
Seeing the guys get frustrated and just push Shade to
the ground and get assessed a test that's creeping into
their minds.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know, and that to me is like another thing,
like you're just wearing them down, wearing them down. I
think the Timberwolves will get a game at their home,
but I agree with you, I find it hard to
believe that they can win this series now, you know,
with Gobert not being able to play to the to
the level.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
That he has in the past.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Uh, defensively, I would think they would go small with
Knives or with Julius and the fact that they haven't
been playing that well, it's I don't know where they
go from here for the for the next game. I
looked at I look at my pacers. Uh last night,
you know Miles Turner, who I love, who actually you know,
they drafted to get my ass up out of there.
All the respect them and everything. He actually, you know,

(17:31):
I felt like he was selfless. He didn't like have
a great game, but like he wasn't in the game
a majority in the third, in the fourth quarter, and
and you know what, the Celtics, but the other the
Pacers went small with topping and mathering at the four
and the five for a little bit Pascal.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
So I feel like the the.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
The Timberwolves don't have a reliable uh four or five
that can come in and take Rudy spot that can
give you some good minutes like my Pacers did last night.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
And they play and they play TV.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Thomas Bryant came in and gave him some quality minutes
last night also, and I think that's what you have
to have. It's kind of hard because you know when
you go if you go small and you're talking about
your pacers. You go small against the pacers and they
mess around and go all of a sudden they go
cat and they go Mitchell Robinson. Now you're you're in
a world hurt because now they they're about to play

(18:21):
a they just about to be to pay tap and
rebound and kick out. Uh even if you even if
you even if they take, if they take out Cat,
they go Mitchell Robinson. If you take out, if you take,
it's hard because he's looks all he's doing is looking
for lobbs and to get Rebegi extra extra chance. The
Knicks are big team because you you go cat, you
go o G. You got Michael Bridges who's six seven.

(18:45):
They got some athletic guys. So if you go, if
you go small, relatively small, if you say, let you
know what, we're gonna start nods.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Then.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Then where where where you go at you're gonna play.
You're gonna play Jadon McDaniels at the at the five spot.
He's the next tallest guy.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, unless you go, unless you play Jue, unless you
played you revel at the five and then you got
him trying to bang. Okay, maybe he banks with a
Hartenstein and check that's you know, baby heart, probably the Hardenstein.
But they just got to get more production. Rudy Gobert
got to give him more than five and nine. Mike
Conley one for six, one for four. That's not nearly

(19:23):
nearly good enough. And Julius Rendald can't ever ever just
give you six points.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
He's too good. He's been too good that he's been
exceptional these playoffs.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
But like you said, o Jo Shade, tonight, five straight
games of at least thirty points. He had thirty eight
eight with three steals, thirty one points, five rebounds, nine assists,
thirty five points, four assists, three steals, thirty twos, three
and six, thirty one, six and seven. First player in
five franchise history with five consecutive thirty point playoff games. Tonight,

(19:53):
he made more free throws thirteen than the Wolves starters twelves.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
Hey man, that goddamn minute.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
The boy tool of us when we talk about him
going to the free throw line so much, but when
he put the ball on the floor, he is able
to create every time he gets the ball. Every time
he gets the ball, I don't I'm trying to understand
how that's so easy for him to get I so
so to have people pick, and it's so goddamn difficult
for Anthony Edws to ice. So there's very creation when

(20:31):
ad has the ball. Go ahead, go ahead, you're not
telling me when when it comes when when he, oh,
my goodness, well Sga gets the ball. It just seems
every time, not every so often, every time he's he
gets he's able to get ICEO, he's able to create
separation if you can't get the ice, so he's able

(20:53):
to get it off the pick in a role he
gets to a spot, he's so fucking efficient from the
goddamn feet, it seemed like everything is working for him.
Then on the opposite side, I'm like, well, god damn,
why this so typical for ed Not only did ioles
when he can't get iso, then he had very little
cration because defensively they soon got damn long and lengthy.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
He's got damn on just to get it.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
God damned shut off. Well, the team with the thunder
loading up, and you see the difference is that they
got parent wing defenders.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
They switch one through five. Rudy, go where where are
you gonna go?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
He can't make no threes, so I'm not worried about it.
He's not an offensive web. So they say, look now,
one of two things you either gonna start have to
bless him or trap him and make him give the
ball up. Because if you let him play what they're
let him play too much one on one right now,
if you let him play one on one, he's gonna
get it at.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Thirty thirty average, thirty two points.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Hey, you shoot an efficient Now he's back into fifty percent.
You're not beating him. You let him get his numbers,
and you let him be efficient while he's getting his numbers.
Oh till you're not beating this team. J to night
twenty six, ten and five, his first every twenty five
to ten to five game, you got check, gave me
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Rau.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
It's really They were nine for thirty three from the
three point line too, So it's not like they were
knocking down threes and there was oh so much space.
You had to go tag a shooter. You have a
most dangerous shooter. That's twenty seven percent from the three
point line is not a good knight. And they were
still unable to get whatever they wanted.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I think the biggest thing is is because they're able
to play five on four because Rudy and then that
they know Rudy is not an offensive threat. So why
why my guardener? Okay, oh y'all want you to ask
me again? Why my guarding him when he's not an
offensive threat?

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
You Right, either he gonna catch a lob or he's
gonna try to get a put back and the thing up.
It takes him so long to unwine. So by the
time he tried to bring the ball up, they slapped down.
They got the ball like going the other way. How
many times we saw that tonight? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Right, Hey, Anthony, everags got to be on point. He
doing what he does. Even if you're not efficient, you
got to keep putting up point.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
He was aggressive, I'll give him back. He was aggressive.
You look, I think he's selling too much. He got
somebody that you know. The thing that happened was he
took more threes this year. He led the NBA and
made threes. He kind of think and sometimes I think
he falls in love with it a little too much.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Right, But.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
At some point in time, we just got to come
to the realization that the thunder had been the best
team in the West and hoping and wishing and somebody
all they to do this. Shay is on damn near
every night, and I could see like he's gonna get
to the fire line. Yeah, he's getting to the fire line.

(23:47):
They shot twenty fourth, they shot twenty four free throws,
he had fifteen attimps. He's he's doing That's what we wanted.
That's what we want to see, O Joe, Okay, how
did you get there? At least Jay is like, you
know what this a I'm the MVP. Let me show
you why I'm the MVP. I was efficient shout on
on fifty two percent from the floor. I led the
league in scord. It seemed like every every night that

(24:10):
he plays, he's in the thirty. Sometimes they're not always
the most efficient, but he's putting pressure on your defense.
He can also pass them all what he had eight
assist tonight, and guys knocked down shot. Jalen william knocked
down shot, chat knocked down shots.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
They shot fifty percent from the floor.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
But I don't think you can beat him if you
shoot forty one percent from the floor, twenty eight percent
from the three, and you turn the ball over fourteen
times against VI team you're gonna get to what you
got A double digit loss, You get double d loss.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Ain't ain't no where riding on you.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I wish I could give you some better news for
your team, but I can't.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
We get some better We get some better play from
that bench. You gotta have Conley. Conley got to show up. Man,
David Chenzo, he got to show up and do what
he do what he does. Hit some of those threes,
created some separate ration and do what it needs to do.
And just and you just continue to be aggressive. Ju
just random, continue to be aggressive and hope your supporting
cast shows up.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
And it's it's an uphill It's an uphill battle from
this point.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Now. Yeah, look, you might throw everything in the kitchen
sink at him. The bitch didn't play bad. They got
three guys.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
They only played three guys tonight, and they gave him
thirty five points off the bench. Uh, they only got
seventeen points off the bench, So you dumb basically doubled
them up from bench scoring. But when you have a
starter to giving you, I mean your other starters outside
of J. J. McDaniel's an ant man who gave you
fifty four, you got fourteen points from your other three starters.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Fourteen points that needs to bro in a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Unless what unless Naves Reed go crazy and make six
to seven threes, Devinceienzo, unless you get like fifty points
from and it's hard thing about they only playoff eight guys,
So to get fifty points from three guys, that's ask
him on all for a lot, Julius. I expect to
have a bounce have a bounce back game. Like I said,
this is the worst game that we've seen from him

(26:08):
in the postseason this year thus far. Of the last
four players to record a twenty five point, ten rebound,
five assists, zero turnover game and a Conference finals Kobe Shaq,
Jason Tatum, Jaylen Williams. Pretty good company. Pretty good company
being points off turnovers this series. Thunder fifty three was twenty.

(26:36):
Ad Man stayed up till three am watching film of
game one. He'd probably be up till five watching film
of game two. He just got like you said, look
the thing yous o. Joe God once told me. He said,
he said, you know what, you and I can go
win any war if you give me the right twos
to go to battle with.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
A man going to war.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I'm not. I'm so sure he got the tools of
riding right now that's ready to go to battle with him.
It's he ain't gonna out there to battle and he
alone right now. Julius is gonna have to be better.
I expect him to be better. But Mike Connon can't
give us three, He can't. Rudy, you gotta give us.
Rudy got to give us at least a double double.
Roy I don't think that's ask too much? Am I

(27:20):
ask you too much? Royan for a double double? I mean,
look at Mitchell Robinson. He grabs offensive rebounds and he
does he think.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I want to see the battle between free throw shooting
between Gobert and Mitchell Robinson. And the New York fans
just like love Mitchell every time he goes to the
free throw line because they see the effort. And I
know I'm drawing distension between these two teams and these
two players, But like, look at Mitchell when he actually
gets into a switch like he feels Timodal feels comfortable

(27:48):
with him out there guarding the perimeter players. He gets
down in his stands, he gets low, he can move
his feet. Yes, sometimes he puts two hands on the
body at the end of the play, and he might
get pick up the foul. But he's competent out there
and he's able to move. So, I mean, there's syllable
similar type of players, but there's one player, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Uh, I mean, but yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Just gonna leave it with that.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
In other words, Rudy steeleing, Uh, this is the ninth
straight season O jo that the MVP doesn't have a tattoo.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Shay Yo kic Embiid, Johannis Harden and Russ.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Russ won the MVP in twenty seventeen, he got tattoos
in twenty twenty. Is there correlation anything going on? Should
we deduce anything from that? O joke?

Speaker 6 (28:36):
No, had nothing to do with it. You know, some people,
some people love the artwork.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Uh, some of it as has meaning to it, not
just tattoos just to be having them really has no
correlation at all Outside of that.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I agree. I mean, some people love that. They say
tattoos are addictive. They say, once you get one, you're
gonna want two, three, four, five, six seven. Yeah, that's
what I hear everybody everybody that I don't really, I
don't know if I've seen someone, O Joe with just
one tattoo, normally you have multiples.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I got I have forty four myself.
Outside of that, I mean all of them had meaning
obviously kids, family, Uh, scriptures from the Bible.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Imagine that those things wrote in whiting so I could
read them.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
You can see him, you can see him. I mean,
this is you trying to call it. I'm not that dark.
I'm not that dark. Especially right now in the light
you can probably.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I mean, it's like it's like taking a sharpie writing
on a piece of charcoal. Now you can see if
you can see them clear.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
It's just it's just.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
I mean, I mean, I just I don't steal. You
don't have no tattoos. I don't you scared of needles? No,
so why don't getting on mat I fifty seven?

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Now, I think it's a been laid down, O Joe.
You should have got me when I was seventeen.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
But they don't matter how old you are.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
If you get them, hey, you know you can get
your back piece. You get you a big back piece.
They can put you to me so you don't got
to feel the.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Pain when I go to sleep, I'm trying to I'm
trying to go to sleep, and when I wake up,
I want to be in the morning. I ain't going
to sleep for the damn tattoo. It waked up at
three o'clock in the afternoon. That ain't happening.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Well, they can put listen, you can time it to
where you you you get put to sleep at seven, seven,
nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I know you go to bed early. Old, so you
get this bad. So my first tattoo, you wanted to
be a batleast. That's about the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Like everything, like everything you can you can put all
your dog, you can put teddy, you can put tightest
they can you know, get the family.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Ain't talk task Tarzan.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
No, yeah, no, I wanted the tattoo. I wanted a tattoo.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Tattoo when I was in high school and my mom
told me no, she said, when you graduate you can
get one. I graduated. I ain't want it. I wanted
it when I was a junior. All my homeboy everybody
was getting them. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get
me a tat No, I ain't want a tattoo. I
wanted my ears pierced. That's what I wanted on your ears, bears.
I ain't really never never wanted no, no tattoo, right right.

(31:05):
I only thought about it once. I thought about getting
grandmother's name across my chairs. But I know how adamant
she was. She was about doing mark Say so, boy,
don't mark up your body.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Were you got any tattoos?

Speaker 4 (31:18):
No tattoos?

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Man? I'm like my mom ran a strict household man
from the Caribbe. She's from Trindad. She would slap me
upside my head if she said I got a tattoo.
I got my ears pierced my freshman year of college.
Once I left the house and she was so mad.
But you know, I said Noah, I said.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
No, no facial hair, no ear rains, no tattoos. Oh Joe,
you know I gotta keep it right. I gotta keep
this past though. You dog got to.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Keep that back.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
So keep so bad. Yeah, I think you should turn
over a new leaf. You might as well. Fifty seven
try something different fifty seventh of the month.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
Hey, y'all, try something Oh joy.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
You know that you start to get older, your skin
gets thinner, you lose some of the last tensity it
doesn't hold as much water as it.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Once dead and it tears easy.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
That's why if you notice when when older people as
they start to get older, they like they tear easy,
they bleed.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
You know what I'm saying, Listening, I want you to
understand something that we talk about black folk. We talk
about all skin. Yeah black black, don't crap.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Now, I understand what you're saying about the elacticity and
in the water not holding.

Speaker 6 (32:24):
But you're gonna be just fine.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
You're gonna be just.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
You keep saying fifty seven like you just.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Oh I'm say I'm about to be fifty seven in
the month. You know that's not that bad.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well, I don't think anything changing the next in the
next five weeks. Ash. Oh you on that.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Gary brack up like life performing like you know what
that that that you know?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Spin your blood, put it back in your body. You
throw yourself frost.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yoh no, no, no, no, no, I haven't done that.
Uh I heard about that. That's you know where there
regularly a lot of a lot of endurance athletes do that.
That's called blood doping, where they take a pine of
blood out and they spent it and they you know,
equip it, you know, put that little thing up in
put that up in there and put it back in there.

(33:13):
You know. Now you added more oxygen to the blood.
But no, I've never done that. Okay, Ojoe, let's revisit
the Pacers King's trade. The Pacers received Tyreese Halliburton, Buddy Hill,
Tristan Thompson. The Kings received the Montes Sabonis, Jeremy Lamb,
Justin Holliday, a twenty twenty three second round pick, and

(33:36):
a king size a family pack, a family sized bag
of potato chips.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Holiday.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I think if I'm not mistaken any with the Rockets. Now,
I don't know who that twenty three, twenty three second
round pick was. The bag of chips have.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Been long eating.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Jeremy Lamb is dating the owner's daughter, so the traces
wasn't that trade?

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Look, I mean look, Sabonis is a very good player.
You what your teammate here is Roy I was not
a teammate. I was like there there before him, two
years before. Okay, he's look, o, Joe. People don't realize
how tall he is. Sabanis is seven to one. Yeah,
people don't realize Tally is out here. People think he
likes No, he's seven foot one. His dad was seven three,

(34:25):
But he'll that we know he he you know, uh,
he's all of a sudden he's with the Golden State Warriors.
Now Tristan is back in Cleveland. Look Sabonis wasn't an
All Star player, but Hallie Burton and what he's been
able to do.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Yeah, mans heasy Murger to be one of the best
in the game.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Does a great job of describing the basketball oho and
he's not a high turnover guy. He's a proj I
love him when he's aggressive royal when when tied with
Reese is is aggressive because sometimes I think he said him.
Sometimes I think he just tried to get people involved.
You know, he's the old He's a prototypical old school
magic Johnson stopped and Jason Kidd top of a point guard.

(35:07):
He's really not looking to score, but when he's looking
to score and put pressure on the defense.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Many can I.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Can I can I say something about last night? I
just always want you to think about this. Yes, he
had an opportunity to tie the game towards the end
with the clock running down, he said, I'm finna dribble
behind the arc, like hear that at AAU basketball game
and I'm a he was shot up.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
In the bounce.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Yeah, if everybody should have played a lotto last night,
if you're a patience fan, because luck was running through
everybody's veins, including brother Halliburton.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
But nor Roy, the rule of thumb, you go for
the win on the road, you go for the tie
at home.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I say that go for the wind.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
You have nothing to lose.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
You're gonna go back home to Indiana at some point,
and you know, play two games at home, so you
would want to like go for the win and split
the first two games. But I say the pace at
which the Pacers play allows them to have the freedom
and the effect that they, like you said, don't turn the
ball over as well, that's icing on the cake. And
then they spread the floor out so well. I feel

(36:24):
like the only real post presence really is Pascal siaka
Miles Turner can pick and pop. That allows him to
allows Halliburton to get to the paint. But it's like
a real good cohesive group. Yes, it was a perfect storm.
No too, Like I think Brunson getting those fouls in
the middle of the third quarter when Memhard and TJ McConnell,
like again, those role players that are attacking him at

(36:47):
all points, they don't allow him to take possessions off.
They try to get him in the pick and roll
to switch, or they try to push it in one
on one in transition and get right to the hole
and see if he's gonna either try to contest and
potential foul or give up the layup a perfect store
for the pacers.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Lest Yeah, And the thing is they play with such
pace as you mentioned. And so now knowing that that
Tims only want to play like seven eight guys, seven guys. Yeah,
and you know he wants to play on forty four minutes,
playing forty four minutes at the pace in which the
Pacers play, you're asking an awful lot. Yeah, and you
got You're right, Roy. When they keep attacking, they're like, look,

(37:22):
we're not gonna let him rest.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Don't you let him rest, Hallie, we know you're not
gonna let him rest. Nim Hard, don't let him rest,
Nissa Smith, don't let him rest, Math, But don't let
him rest.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
If he's on you attack him.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
We know what he is offensively, so we want to
attack him when he's on the defensive end, to try
to take some of that bite out of those legs.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, he also had those seven turnovers too, you know,
so it's wearing on him and I feel like, you know, Tim's,
like you said, is known for playing a very short lineup.
If this thing is to a game seven, I don't
know if those Villanova all four of those Villanova knicks
are going to be able to be available to play
something if there is a game seven. So where would
you rank? It's not what injuries on anybody. I hope

(38:02):
everybody stays healthy, yes, but it's just history that's shown
that Tims team's kind of like, you know, the players
kind of like, you know, fall off a little bit
because I feel like there was worn out.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Look Demonte Sabonis because basically it's the bonus and haller Burton,
Uh ty Reese has been an All Star for a
couple of years. Sabonis has been an All Star for
a couple of years. Uh, Halliburton won a gold medal.
I think Sabonis was on the Lithuanian team. They didn't

(38:35):
win any medals. But this trade is not worse than
than the Clippers getting Paul George and giving up Shaye
Gallinari in five first round picks and two pick swaps.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
That's the worse trade than this one.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Uh. Everybody thinking it's probably thinking the Luca trade because
it's so fresh in your mind and it just happened.
But uh, I mean, I look, the Kings can't feel
bad because the Kings did have Darren Fox. Darren Fox
was an All Star, so they've had an medical replacement.

(39:08):
It's just that Halley's had his team twice in the
Eastern Conference Finals back to back years. So I like
I like reason. Charles Barkley wants John Halliburton to be unbanned.
He paid his dues. It shouldn't be indefinite. He's been
punished enough. He would never do anything that's stupid. Again, Roy,
should John Halliburton be permanently banned?

Speaker 4 (39:33):
No?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
No, I think it's just like you know, I think
it should have been like a one game and then
just move on to the next news cycle. I don't
think people need to, like, you know, make this a
big thing. I hope he's not banned.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
The Pacers are flying me out. I'm getting flown out
by the Pacers.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
For Game three.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I'm gonna be there with my son, so hopefully I
get to shake his hand. We'll take a picture and
everything like that. I'll report back to you, all right.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I agree, I agree, Oh Jo, I'm anxious to hear
what you say on at But.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
I think, look, he made a mistake.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
He got caught up in the motion, and sometimes when
the motion is how logic is low. And you know
he ran on the court. Obviously that's a no. No
he ran on the court. Then, you know, I think
what the NBA was concerned about, it wasn't so much
him on the court. Is what he did when he
got on the court. He went up into a player's face.
Now you know how players are roy When we lose,

(40:22):
we're not either losses And that's kind of how we
became what we became, because losing was not okay with us.
That's what kind of shape molded us to become the
players we became. A lot of times, you run up
on the right the wrong player. No, let me take
that back. You run up on the right player at

(40:43):
the wrong time, and my mind will help you. Jannis
showed a lot of restraint because a lot sometimes don't
your people defend. Man, this is my opportunity. Get me
a hey, let me hear that one. Le Gary Blunt.
Remember lou Gary Blunt, Boys and State. They lost, the
Organ got red on the field. No Organ lost to Boys,

(41:05):
Estate and the guy random the field relevant and the
Garrett Bluff face Cock. So you just have to be careful.
I understand the NBA is airing on the side of caution,
but yeah, let him come on back. I think he
paid his due. I think he learned his lesson. I
think and Haley said it best.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Had to say.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
You know what, man, I talked to my pops. He
knows he can't do that, but it should not be
for perpetuity.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
He missed.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
He missed the two games, he missed the two home
games that he had. Let him come on back for
game three and hey, if that made the finals. I'm
coming in there with the disguise. You know, a couple
to be able to beard. I might have you a beard.
Oh yeah, I'm coming there with the new guys. I'm
gonna see myself up play in the NBA finals.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Absolutely, you have no choice. You got no choice. I
think the band is a little it's a little too excessive.
You know, Pop's gotta understand. You can celebration, you to
have fun. You definitely can't go on the court. You
can't go on the court, and you can't go in
the players face. I thought maybe there was a relationship
or they might have known each other, which is why
he was able to do it, because most of the
time parents don't feel comfortable, especially after win celebrating another

(42:17):
player's face.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
So I thought there was some type of relationship.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Between Gobert and and and not Gobeer, between Joannis, pops and.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
And Pops and Yannis.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Honest, so I'm obviously it must not have been so
most of the time it was comfortable, comfortable going to
players faces like that.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
But hey, we get they got to lift that band.
They can't do it like that.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
And he had a towel with his son face on it.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
You like this like this, like uh yeah, but I agree.
I think we're I think we're in a unison here
is that.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Look.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I think he's paid his dues, he's missed two games.
I think now let him come on back. Give him
a stirring warning, mister Halliburt. That can't happen again. You know,
I look, everybody.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Knows who he is.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh, Joe, your son just wanted to start players, and
so they're gonna give you a little bit, a little
bit more leniency. As far as going on the court,
they're not going, Hey, get up that court. They're like,
you know, they probably miss Talliburton. He should step back
a little bit. So they gonna give you a little
bit more grace. We know, we know how that worked.
But uh, I think he's learned his lesson and I
don't think we'll have that problem again. So I definitely

(43:27):
think the issue should be on. The band should be lifted,
and he should be allowed to see his son play
in the Eastern Conference Finals. Jared McClain was reacting to
the play where bruntson file baited TJ McConnell last night,
and McCain said, file bating is just smart. Even when
I talked to Joel Andbiet about it, he thinks he's

(43:47):
just playing the game smart.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Roy, do you agree?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
So I feel like.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
This is always comes up, like even before harder than
there was a guy Kevin Martin that played for the
Houston Rockets and he also played for Go to Sacramento Kids.
Yees fact, But he was the fraid. He was a thin,
frail guy. Kind of looked like Aliburton a little bit
in terms of like the body type. A little push shot. Yeah,

(44:15):
but this is gonna be in the game no matter what.
I don't want to be too long winded here, but
you know, when I was playing Lebron against the Heat
the Pacers Heat Series, Lebron used to do this thing
where like he's always even before Lebron the Pacer Heat Series,
he would cuff the ball get to the basket. I
would try to block the shot, you know, and I
get called for the foul because you know, when you

(44:36):
cuff it, that's one thing when you try to lay
it up, you can go try to block it. So
I had to learn verticality jump straight up. Yes, the
concert adapt to the game. I had to adapt to
the game. I'm not going to complain about it. Unless
the referees in the summer said, you know what, you know,
we need to address this, then I could be like,
you know what, maybe I could relax, maybe I can

(44:56):
complain more. But for me, if the rules are there
and and the offensive players doing it, all, this is
on me to figure out how to work either in
real time to figure it out, or during the summer
when you're in the lab, you know, because I always
used to work on you know, three things offense, at
least two things on defense in my workout, and then
keep rotating those things. So that's just how my mindset is.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
What do you think, Joe, Yeah, honestly, I like it.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Most of the people call it flopping. I call it
manipulate the game. As a dB, you you think about it,
I'm not. I'm not saying I'm a dB, but there
are many tricks to the trade, you know, trying trying
to help yourself, give me yourself and an advantage when
you playing the game. Listen, putting your shoulder down, being
a little theatrical with your head movements like Jennen Bruston

(45:43):
is at times, and and drawing those files. It's a
part of the game. It's manipulating the game to get
yourself to the line and give you advantages that the
ref sometimes can't see in real time.

Speaker 6 (45:54):
I mean, why not until they find a way to
stop it.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
What you can't you know in real time because the
naked eye really can't see that you take advantage of it.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Whatnot?

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, Harden was really great at it. A left handed player.
Jalen brunsts and has adopted it. And Shae is another one. Now,
Shade does a great job of getting that separation. And
what they're trying to do is create separation. I want
to get my shot. I want to get this shot off,
and and and and Shade does it to get to
that mini as good as anybody. Harden was doing it
to get always Hardeners trying to get all the way

(46:24):
to the paint. You're gonna even get to that floor.
You're gonna get to that dominant hand and lay the
ball up. So, uh yeah, I don't have a problem
with it. These guys have perfected it. They understand how
to get to the how to how to get to
the free throw line, how to manipulate you said, oho
the defense and and make you draw fiut and and
they a lot of them, a lot of them guys

(46:44):
got that herky jerky motion. You think they go going
for a shot, and actually they give you the head
faking you don't jump into them. And now they jump
and throw the ball up. And now he's going to
get two or three free throw attempt. So that's part
of the game. And guys are gonna have to learn
how to to uh defend without filing. The NBA Now

(47:08):
they're all defensive teams. Dyson Daniels are the Hawks, Lou
Dort Thunder, Draymond Warriors, Evan Mobley who is Defensive Player
of the Year CALVS, and Armin Thompson of the Houston Rockets.
Any any problem with that? That uh that first team
All Defense or Roy No?

Speaker 4 (47:27):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I think Evan Mobile, you know, exemplified, you know, being
able to be the new type of big guy who
can you know, not only score, but can actually like
move his feet defend and then guard multiple positions. You know,
I cover college basketball for CBS, and like one of
the things I always talk about is, you know, bigs
have to be able to be mobile, can defend multiple positions.

(47:49):
And he's the prototype of it right there, right then,
And they're not that many seven footers that are moving
around could do it now because of how the speed
of the game. So I feel like I have no
problem with that. And more and more guards and win
players on the defensive team. To me, it's the trend
of how the NBA is going has been going.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
But you know what, there are some guys that normally
makes defense the All Defensive team that wasn't og Ananobi
was not there, Jannis wasn't there. Bam wasn't there, Dereck
White wasn't there, Holiday wasn't there. Do you think anybody
was snubbed that should have been on. I'm surprised Jiannis

(48:27):
wasn't on because Gianni's is normally been on. Yeah, Bam,
if thought if it's one of the better defending centers.
You know he switched inn yard one through five. Derrick White,
we know we think of him defensively. That's one of
the reasons that he was on the Olympic, the US
Select team, the Olympic team. So o g he's one

(48:47):
of one of the defenders. But I agree with you, Roy,
I don't really have a problem. I'm surprised that none
of these guys because Zubas or the Clippers made second
team Jaron Jackson, Junior, Jaylen Williams, uh Camara.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Of Portland and Rudy Gobert.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
They could Bam or og Oriannis could easily taken Gobert's
place have it this year and it's okay. You don't
keep having to put players on there. Oh, yeah, well
he's been. He's four time Defensive Player of the Year.
If the guy doesn't have a season that warn't him
being on there, don't put him on there. It's okay.

(49:25):
It's okay if you don't put Rudy Gobert on the
All Defensive team because I don't think he had an
All defensive.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Team type of a season this year. Right Maybe Drew Holliday.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I feel like he's just the Olways common presence on defense.
He's up and up on the guards, using his hands,
he gets under screens. You know, maybe maybe that could
be a player. But you know, then again, you never
know where their ranking was on the defensive end.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
The NBA world is a waiting Lebron's decision on his
player option with the Lakers for next season. Rich Paul
said on The Rich Eisend Show today, I think everybody's
been on pins and needles for a while. I wish
I had an answer. I don't know. It's early. I
don't have a conversation like that. I go into each
year like he's continued to play. I've never even talked
about that physically, he can play several more years. I

(50:14):
don't think it's the physical aspect of it. I think
it's where you are mentally with these guys. I think
we put so much on the individual. There's a lot
of players, there's a lot of layers to success as
an individual, and I think when you think about him
per se, there's a lot of decision that has to
be made, you know, going into the locker room, what's

(50:34):
the roster look like, what's the approach to each player?
Is He's always going to get everybody's best shot, and
so this is a team he's on with the history
of the.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Team, Roy, if I had to ask you.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
What do you think Lebron's gonna do? Is he gonna
opt out opt in? What are some of the factors
that will go into the decision that Lebron is gonna
make to either opt in or opt out of that contract?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I mean, I feel like he's gonna be in a
Lakers jersey next year. He'll probably opt out and then
probably made me sign like a two year deal, very
hefty two year deal, probably finish out his career for
the Lakers. You know, you know, it's hard for me
with with with with Lebron because I want to believe
him when he says that he's not a part of
the front office, you know, conversations, even though you know

(51:23):
he would think the best player in the NBA right
now would have his hands in the cookie jar and
and everything. But they gotta you know, he's gonna be back.
But they definitely need to upgrade, like the big position.
But they definitely need to center bad and and and
then obviously you know, you know Don Luca and then

(51:45):
you know how.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
He got thrown under the bus.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I feel like a little bit after in terms of
calling out his condition is I feel like that needs
to be like, I mean, that's not what you're asking me.
Lebron's gonna be back, but I hope that they can,
you know, he could rub off on Luca a little
bit to like, you know, tighten up at the beginning
of the season.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Well, they did hire a strength and conditioning coach, and
as we talked about a couple of nights ago, Roy,
I don't know if you heard us, is that a
lot of these elite guys, they have their own guys
they work with that as far as weight lifting, as
far as physio and all that other stuff. I know, Lebron,
Mike mussie Us is with Lebron all the time, and
so a lot of these guys used to be Tim Brower.

(52:24):
But a lot of these guys have their own personal
guys that they trained with and do things with.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
But it's nice to see.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
But I'm gonna and Luca's taking it, and because you know,
I just feel like in the playoffs he starts to
wear down and you know, it seems like it's back
and he starts to move like he's seventy two years
old and he's barely twenty six.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Uh oh, Joe, what you my fault? What do you think?
What Lebron gonna do?

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Listen?

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Can he can opt out? I mean he could opt
in either way. He's gonna be a Laker. He's gonna
play another two maybe three years. I think he's gonna
do everything he can to stretch it long enough where
you can play with his youngest son. Outside of that,
with him and Luca had it was special last year.
I think he wants to continue that. I think he's
gonna have discussions with Jenny and Polinka about getting it

(53:11):
big in there and getting some help so they can
they can keep He doesn't want to just keep playing
and keep opting in or opting or opting out, but
building a team and Ryland where they can be in
contention year in and year out, and whatever whatever necessary
moves needs to be made, they probably be made this season.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
So they're just not going home in the first round
and actually contending for another title.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
What were you? What was your point you wanted to
make Roy lit? I moved on. I forgot that.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I'll keep it moving all right, moving de Marcus Cousins,
who spent twenty eighteen nineteen season with the Warriors, says
Steve Kurr doesn't do well when it comes developing young players,
but he said the lack of development could lead to
Kamingo wanting out this offseason. I think they lost Kaminga.
I think Steve Kerr ruined that relationship this year with
the DMPs. We've seen this happen time and time again

(54:00):
when it comes to him and dealing with young talent.
He just doesn't handle young talent well. He doesn't develop.
Out of out of the years he's been there, we've
only seen one guy developed under Steve Kerr and they
ran him off.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
That was Jordan Poole.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
When it comes to young talent, I just don't think
he handles it. Well, oh, y'all gonna start with you,
do you agree with what Boogie is saying?

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Little bit?

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Obviously he was coming from a player of his caliber,
you know, as good as big, as good as book.
He is knowing the game and knowing the coaches and
understanding the players that that he's had his hands and
imprint on absolutely right.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
And there's a there's an example of one that we've.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Talked about this year.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Uh, over and over and over.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Yeah, kaminga.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
Yeah, it makes no sense, but he did. It makes
no sense.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
And then when Comingian does get the opportunity to play,
look at the type of goddamn games he's having.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
He balls out, He does, this is who you had.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
On the bench for whatever reason it may have been.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Come on man, unexplainable, unexplainable, Roy.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
You know, it makes me think.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
About the the There has to be you guys know,
there has to be synergy within an organization, you know,
and I know Mike Dunley he took over. Uh, we
played together. I was working when he was in the
Indiana and you know, there there does seemed to be
a synergy between like who he's paying and who he's

(55:34):
bringing in and you know who the coach is playing.
I think about Mike Malone in the situation with the
Denver Nuggets. You know, Calvin Booth, I believe, was the
gm or president and he was drafting certain players and
bringing them in and he wants them to develop them.
But he, uh the coach, Malone was playing the older
guys and the guys that he can rely on. So

(55:56):
for me, and then in the organization ended up getting
rid of both of them. So for me, there has
to be a synergy there. And at some point, you know,
once you know, I'm not sure if he at some
point is he going to be the Golden State Warris
coach for forever. Maybe there might be a timeline where
he may want us to be like, hey, you know what,
maybe when Steph is done, I walk away and he's

(56:18):
just gonna go with the players that he knows as well.
But if there's not a synergy between the front office
and the players, if they're bringing if the front office
is bringing in players that they need to develop and
he's not playing, there's gonna be an issue there. And
if you're not winning, it's going to exacerbate the issue.
You know, the next year and the next summer that
people are gonna be unhappy and you need to build
for the future. Steph and those guys are getting older

(56:39):
and older and older, and father Time is undefeated.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
But you know, the problem that they're having is roy
and Ojo is that most teams, when you're trying to
compete for a title, you're not relying on young players.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
You going with your core guys.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Now see you look at ok see you see okay,
See they got rid of all the old guys that say,
you know what, we're gonna take lumps right now, but
we're gonna build this thing together. We're not Hey, we're
under no illusion that we're gonna compete for a title.
But when we compete for a title, we're gonna be
able to compete for years and years to come because
all these guys would have grown grown up together. You see,

(57:16):
the problem is you got Steph, you have Clay, you
had Dramond, you had Loom, you had veteran guys. Are
Iggy before he retired, you had veteran guys. Man, I
ain't got time for it for the young guys to
be making a mistake ry because you know, a the
one thing a coach, oh show you. You know this
in football, coaches hate mistakes and rookies. Rookie is gonna

(57:38):
make mistakes. That's just the way it works. And it
seems like and you seem like Steve, Steve ain't got
no problem putting no guy on the bench. He let
me put Jason Tatum on the bench. So you know,
he ain't got no damn probably putting coming on the bench.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
You gonna say what Listen now, I'm gonna say you
talk about young teams, you know, and and allowing young
team to do what they need to do. But those
young teams, when you have a young team like okay,
see you know as you used for example, yeah you
can do that when you got a SGA lead.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
But I'm saying, but you see what they did, think
about it.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Oh, they trade for SGA, They draft Jalen Williams, They
drafted a lot of these guys. Chant Holmer, they say, hey,
they go out and get a couple of pieces to
add veteran Isaiah Hartenstein. So now they go get lou
Dor They said, oh, they go get a Caruso. Guys
that have played, that know how to play, that plays

(58:33):
their role. To see the thing is the problem that
Kaminga has. Kaminga is one of them young guys like, bro,
I will try to go get thirty. Well, it's not offense.
Steph is supposed to get thirty. You're supposed to get
like ten fifteen.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Hold on, So you think that might be one of
the reasons why you got's.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
He said that it's hard to get a flow with
you out there with Steph because the office is run
for Steph.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Yes, he's looking off stuff, he said, he's looking off Steph.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Yeah, step He's like, nah, Bro, he ain't no, no, no, no,
I got this right here.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
You go on in the coner.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
So Comedia is one of those that needsess on the team.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yes, it's like pool and that said, oh yeah, and
that's and that's okay, that's okay. Just understand that you're
probably not gonna win as much. Jordan Poole like, Jordan like, yeah,
it's nice to average twenty plus, but we're gonna be
in a lottery every year.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
So that's the sacrifice that you have to make. And
a lot of times guys have to sacrifice their game.
When you're playing with other historically great players, you kind
of have to sacrifice they get. You know, ay, it's
like pop, he get the big piece of chicken. So okay,
you ain't get the breast, so show you get a drumstick,
you get a wing. Okay, you get a short thigh.

(59:55):
But uh and so that's that's the thing with Kaminga.
I think and do I do. I think he's good enough,
but if he wants to play there, he's gonna have
to understand how to play within that system.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
That's crazy because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
He needs the ball. See, it's not like KD. KD
is a fisher. KD didn't need the ball. You're KD
fifteen shoans. KD gonna get you twenty seven thirty because
he's that efficient. Yeah, Clay is a catch and shoot shooter.
Kamina needs the ball because he wants to drive. He
wants to put the ball on the floor. He ain't
trying to catch and shoot. That's not what he is.
That's not his skill set. So it's gonna be interesting

(01:00:31):
to see how this thing plays out. Roy, we're gonna
get you out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
On this one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
You played with a young Nikola jokicen Denver. Did you
know was there any indication when you saw him in practice?

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
And you watched him when he was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
On the court in the games, did you have any
indication he was gonna be this?

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
So I'm gonna say this real quick. My last year
the NBA, I was on three teams in one year.
That's why I know my ass was done. And that
was only dever for like a month and a half,
so I was like a sabbatical. But I can honestly
tell you this that man, I did not see him
lift a weight. I would see him in the locker
room and like, his build is not what you expect.
And I did not think that he would like go

(01:01:13):
on to be like a three time MVP and everything
like that. To me, what he's done is incredible. Sometimes
I do feel that, you know, towards the end of
the series, you know, even as great as he is,
he having the ball in his hands a little bit
kind of like flows down the offense and not allows
other people to get going. I think Jamal Murray could

(01:01:34):
have gotten like ten plus more shots. But they've won
a championship. They know what they're doing. But I did
not expect him to be as good as he is.
I saw Jamal Murray when he was I think a
second year player at that time, and he was still
he had all the right tools. So that team, I
didn't think they were going to be as good as
they were. So Kevin, where they tell the chat? Where

(01:01:55):
they can find yet? Roy social media? You got a
YouTube page. I have a YouTube page, but I started
a speaking business. You can check me out at Roy
Hibbert dot com if you're looking for a speaker, I'm
your guy. A lot of things I talk about is
my whole model is stand tall, start small. I know
you guys and athletes can figure out like, hey, you

(01:02:16):
may look the part, but if you don't like put
the time in, have the good mindset and obviously you
work on your mental as big as you are, you're
not going to be able to succeed on the court,
in the field, in the C. Smede executive type of
space and lets you put that in. So that's what
I'm working on. Roy Hibbert dot com, H I, B,
D E R T dot com And you can check
me out if you like to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
You got ig. You got a Twitter page.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Twitter is Roy Underscore meets Underscore World and then on Instagram.
Roy Hibbert fifty five.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
All right, Roy, thanks for stopping by man we appreciate
your insight on the game, OKC, Minnesota and all things NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Hey, well you get some free time, stop back by
and chat with us. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Hey oh oh, now I want throw this out there
for you real quick, for for for your share your
other channel, verything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
I gotta set you up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
You gotta do an interview with my agent, David Falk,
MJ's agent. I gotta I gotta be the link in
between or something like that. Though I know that, uh,
you're a Lebron guy, and then David Falk is obviously
a big Michael Jordan guy. If that's ever a thing,
I would love to be the in between, nothing, no
strings attached, just trying to you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I appreciate that, Bro, Got you all right? Thank you,
Man Jordan. The rest of your evening and we'll talk soon.
Got you all right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
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