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It and Olympic gold medalist in Paris, Massides Russell joins
us a little later. But first, boy, we had a
bond burnover game tonight. The Jaguar, the Jaguar. The Jags
showed their merit that grit, being down fourteen points, scored
(03:16):
twenty one unanswered. The Chiefs come back tied up, but
guess what and they take the lead twenty eight to
twenty four. But the Jags would not be denied. They
go down the field, big time catchers, get a passing
afference in the end zone, they score, and they take
a ball gain A close ball game, a very entertaining,
a very great ball game, thirty one to twenty eight.
(03:39):
Oh Joe, let's go with the Jags first, Trevor Lawrence
eighteen to twenty five, two to twenty one, one touchdown.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But it was its legs tonight. It seemed like to me.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Liam Cohen said, look, when they come with pressure, and
they will bring pressure a lot on third down, don't
even look, don't even worry about trying to complete the
pass down the field, get up out of there. And
that's what he did tonight. I thought they played well
and when the defense needed to make a play, they
made a play.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Take off.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, Hey, the Jags look really good. Obviously, you know,
Spags loves to bring pressure to cause confusion, to get
the quarterback to rush his process, obviously resulting in sacks.
But listen, Trevor Lawrence said, not that they not on
my watch.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
He killed them with it. He killed them with his legs.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Obviously known for his arm and his other intangibles, but
tonight he used his legs to win. Travis Hunter, they
need to get him involved in the offense much more.
He saw him make a huge play that changed the
trajectory of that offensive series which led to him scoring.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Brian Toma Jr. Played well, Travis Atien.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I know what he did running the ball, but picking
up some of the blisses that he did to be
able to lie to.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Make some of the throws that he made.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Hey plays like that will keep a running back on
the field all three downs. He played from all the
football as well. Defensively, the jag hayd well as well.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
So, I mean it was a really good game.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I thought the turnovers would have hurt him because I
tweeted it during the game every time they turned them
all over. The goddamn Cheese capitalize on it, especially on
the gold line where Trevor Lawrence tried to.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Reach over and Nick Bolton punched it out.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
He punched it out right away. Listen.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Defensively, that god damn interception, that nine nine interceptions by
Lloyd That was nice.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, what you have to understand Ojo the court he's
following Mahomes eyes Mahomes stared stared it down.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know, they tried to They tried to run the.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Both arrow rat push up, but it ran double arrow
because here comes Juju first and then I think Travis
was coming in behind him.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So they tried to run double arrow.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But the problem is is that when you look the
linebacker who's inside, he's going to naturally drift that weight
and because I mean he hit it right in his
bread basket, he breaks a tackle, he side steps Mahomes
and now he's off to the races. The guy did
a great job, was just getting enough for Thornton to
throw him off his rhythmic. Thornton was coming, but oh yeah,
(06:06):
for sure he would have called him. But I think
you have to give the Jacks a lot of credit
being down at home. Fourteen points to that team, and
they were playing extremely well, but when they needed to
make plays, they made plays. At the end, Trevor Lawrence
played well. You mentioned at in it was this Blitz
pick up. Yeah, he had twelve cars forty nine yards.
(06:26):
He's averaging what was that basically four yards of carry.
But those boat when and some of those other guys
was coming on the Blitz Chanelle train quote, he stoned them.
I mean he stoned them. The defensive line did a
very good job of protecting. Look, they had a half
a sack, well, they had what two sacks? Three sacks?
(06:48):
Look like you got sacked three times. He got three sacks,
got sacked three times. But I thought they did a
great job considering the amount of pressure that Spags likes
to bring. And you know, when he feels threatened, he's
gonna bring pressure. If they knew that too. But you
look at those throws at the end. Man, he dropped
that one in the bucket to Brian Thomas Junior right
on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And then he found the uh he found uh what's
his name, O Joe? Uh with it? Washington? Uh?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I think it was Washington that ended up catching
the two catching the outball. But Trevor LaRence played as well.
This is the Trevor Lawrence that they said, okay when
you took him number one. Overall, this is what they
expect him to look like. And he has moments like this,
but then he'll come back and he'll think up the
joint you like, well, bro, I've seen what you can do.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I know what you can do because I've seen it
first hand. What happened.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, the problem is what we saw the Knight from
Trevor Lawrence. Where we saw the knight collectively for the Jaguars.
This is not the Jaguars of old. This is a
new team. What we saw to night is a different
type of Jaguars offense. I don't think they've beating the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's been a very very long time since nine, you know,
so normally a team like this, the old Jaguars team,
they would have folded, they would have folded like lawn chair.
But they continued to fight despite being down, and they
fought their way back.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I really impressed, really impressed.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
If we can get this type of quarterback play from
Trevor Lawrence consistently, consistently, not just one night, consistently, but
they're gonna be fine. They're gonna be in the hunt.
They're gonna be in contention every single year if he
can continue to play like this but minimize the goddamn
ye had.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Two to to night, and they and they, you know,
and they were able to survive them. I mean, right
there at the gold line, he fumbled that way and
he threw a pick when they had, they had a lead,
so he has to he has to be very very
careful that the Jags pass board games have been decided
by total of eighteen points. They're three and one of
those games, winning three straight. The Jags are now four
and one with two home games coming up, the Seahawks
(08:46):
and the Rams. Uh both of those Both of those
teams have quarterbacks that can throw the football. Both of
those teams have receivers that can go get the ball.
You look at the Rams, you talk about pooping the
cool you talk about Davonte Adams, they can go get it.
We know Seattle, you see Sam Donald with JSN. Yes, man,
they got guys that can go get the football. So
(09:07):
would I be surprised if we see another couple both
of those games end up something like this, O shoe No, No,
I would not, No, I absolutely would not. But the
Jags were very very impressive tonight, and.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Do dude ball.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Y'all should stand up because y'all got to make it
of a very good team. Lim Cohen has done an
unbelievable job.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Gutt it. Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Trevor Lawrence has always had the ability from the moment
he stepped foot on the field at Clemson, they say,
this guy in three years from that point when he
comes out, he's gonna be the number one pick in
the draft. He led Clemson to a national championship as
a true freshman. Not very many true freshmen can do that.
I think the last time it happened probably with Jamail Holloway,
and you had to go way back, way back Oklahoma,
(09:49):
back eighty five probably, So for him to do that,
and then who do they beat? They beat Alabama, and
we know what Alabama represented and so, and for him
to do that, he been He was very, very impressive.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But for whatever the reason, the last couple of years,
I don't know if it was injury.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Now, I think the first the first year, you know,
Urban Myer was his coach, and I don't think that
was the best situation. He wasn't set up for success
in that situation. But now Lim coy and we saw
what Coin has done with Baker two years, I mean
two years with Baker, and you see what Baker has become.
Now Baker is still on that he's still rising even
(10:28):
though Liam left. But we saw what that what he
become under Lim Cohen. So this offense is very quarterback, friendly,
the guy receiver. They got guys that can go get
the ball. I agree with you right now. Until Travis
refined and skilled. Look, oh yeah, they don't run it
really on nothing but spots. They're running most spots shellacross
a five yards turn to ride. We throw you the ball,
make a got mistake off running the shallow cross, and
(10:50):
when they throw the ball down the field, they're allowing
him to use his athletic ability. Remember to play what
was it last week a couple of weeks ago against
San Francisco. They threw the dagger, he elevates, catches it.
We saw him tonight in between two.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's what.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So until he refines his route running ability, this is
what you're gonna have to do. Try to find ways
to create get him in space, and let him use
his athleticism until he understands how to consistently run the
raw tree.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Because these guys that play dB they really good.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
They're very good, very good. But I think Travis Hunt
is one of those. He has such raw talent. He's
so good, especially with his ball skills, whether it's on
the defensive side of the ball or whether it's on
the offense side of the ball, if you can just
get the ball in the vicinity, if you can just
get in the area so he can make a play
on it.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
He coming down with that ball nine times out.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Of him and on the Chiefs, I thought, Patrick Mahomes,
Look he played well tonight, twenty nine to forty one,
three to eighteen, one touchdown, the very costly interception that
led to a noted the one thing that you don't
want to have happen. You don't want to give up
points on your possession. So in other words, you don't
want to have a scooping score. You don't want to
have a pick six, because now you know what I'm saying,
that's not what you're built to do. Your defense is
(11:57):
not on the field. We understand defensively, they're gonna score. Look,
these teams are really good, so for you to shut
a team out, it's probably not gonna happen. But the
last thing we want to do is give up points
while our offense is on the field. Because because our
defense didn't get a chance, didn't get a chance to
stop them. Patrick Mahomes led up with rushing he was
six or sixty. Kareem Hunt had seven for forty nine
(12:20):
check o. He had salvemn for thirty six twenty two
for one point fifty eight three touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And you see the way they came out. They threw
to set up the run.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
If you look at the first the first series, the
first couple of series, what they're doing getting the.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Ball out of his hands. Quick. Guys were making.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Plays quick, quick game.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But remember I said this, Yeah, when you don't have
a rapport with your quarterback. If Hollywood Brown had a
rapport with his quarterback, they win this game. Patrick mahons,
Patrick Mahomes get him on the shoulder with the ball.
He still don't know what that is. The safety is
flat footed. He catched this ball on Joe. He's coming
at the backside.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
At the end of the game. Oh yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You see there are some guys you were imagine if
you had up like damn, ain't nobody here.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Let me look for.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
This ball he is. He's running the route that they
called oblivious.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Right to the situation. You gotta understand the situation.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Travis Kelce, you remember Travis Kelce against Buffalo. He got wide,
Patrick Mahome put the ball on him.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
They got in field goal range.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Hollywood, All you gotta do you see everybody's off, Oh Joe,
the backside safety is flat footed. He catched this ball.
That's Hollywood Brown. He's coming out the backside. That's a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah he could go, now, just go, he can go
if anything, because the entire defense was back.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
He can come out the backside.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
If he doesn't even make it out the backside, you're
still in field goal range.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
You get down, call the time out if.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You If you go back and look at this, if
you me, you don't think Hollywood Brown is oh cho
Because the safety, the backside safety, he's flat footed. That
means Hollywood Brown is gonna catch this ball where they
running start.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, he came. Ain't no, ain't no way. No safety
that's flat footed.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's gonna turn and beat Hollywood Brown to a point.
But we talked about this the other remember that. I
think it was the first game he tried to do
that with a receiver. But he doesn't have the report.
Now that's Tyreek Hill. Oh Joe were having a whole
different conversation because they have a report. They have an
understanding with each other, that's what. But the Mahomes is
(14:37):
gonna have to get with these guys and say, look, guys,
I understand what's called. But if that guy's off, you
look for the ball.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
And obviously it's all situations. Yes, you understand.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Obviously whatever route is called normally, if we're if we're
in a regular game, then yes, the route is called.
You run, you run to your death. But it's it's
just understanding the situation. If they're backed up, turn your head,
run right away. Get what you can with the ball,
get what you can. Understanding there's only a little bit
of time on the clock. You don't even have time
to get into your food.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
No, don't, don't.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Like, See, the thing is is that I'm not so sure.
I don't even call fair catch on that oyo on
the kickoff because guess what happened. You're not gonna run
it back and there's a greater chance of you getting
a holding call or a block in the back call
that you're running it back. So now, instead of starting
at the twenty five, guess where you're gonna start at
inside your twenty right, and guess what's guess what else
(15:30):
you did? You ran time off the clock because see
the ball don't start the clock, don't start until you
touch the ball. Now you run, you take six seconds
off the clock. Now, well six seven seconds off the clock.
Now you get a block in the back. You took
eight seconds off the clock and you're ten fifteen yards
back further than what you would have been.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
But those are things that you learn.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
See, those are things that we talk I don't look,
I can't speak to everybody else, But this is what
we talked about in situations like this. Look, if the
balls kicked in the M zone, leave it in the
M zone. We don't run and running in time punt return,
fair catch. We don't want any time to run off
the clock. We don't want to get an illegal block.
Look we got they had three time outs, O joe,
(16:14):
three timeouts in thirty seconds. That's an eternity. Because the
entire field is in play. I can throw them all
over the middle. It's in play. Call a time out. Now,
I just took seven seconds off the clock. I got
twenty three. Guess what middle field is still in play.
I take another second, seven seconds off the clock. Guess
(16:34):
what I still gotta time out the field. The entirety
of the field is still in play. Yeah, that's things
that you got to talk about and you've got to
do a better job.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Special teams.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Coach, you's got to do a better job of helping
guys understand, remind them, remind them, Hey, fair catch this,
X Y and zy go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, it's all about It's all about the coaches letting
the players know certain situations defensively, offensively, special teams, if
these certain situations come up, even if they might not
come up, just so they're aware. And obviously coaches have
to know in game what's possible. There's a chance that
this might happen. There's a chance that this might happen,
So be aware and understanding this is what you want
(17:17):
to do in this situation. Same with Holly Bell Brown
on that play towards the end of the game, understanding, Hell,
they damned it winning predds. Get your head around fast.
If you can go out the back door, go out
the back door. If you can't get as much as
you can get down, call time out and re fast.
So we have our opportunity in a chance to run
something else.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
But you got to give the Jazz credit. They didn't
hang their heads.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
They fell behind fourteen nothing, they get a touchdown late,
They get a touchdown late in the second in the
second quarter, making a fourteen to seven ball game, and
then they score fourteen more points, so they scored twenty
one out of as points and then we saw what
happened at the end of the game. But give those
guys credit because I thought Jacksonville played really well.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
They showed me something.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
They showed me something getting down to this team with
this defense and that guy playing quarterback, they showed me something.
I thought the receivers played well today. Thornton stepped up.
Thornton's been playing extremely well.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Xavier work again again, Thornton again with another big play.
I wish I wish he could have kept his balance
too on that deep ball and scored and scored that.
But yeah, they played really well both sides of the ball.
This is I don't know who the hell skepu of
these goddamn games, but every time we got a Sunday
night or Monday night or Thursday night game, they had
(18:31):
been phenomenal, phenomenal game.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
If if you.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Blink, you might miss something, that's how good the games
have been so far through.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Weeks, right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
But the thing I don't understand is next week we
got a doubleheader. We don't need two games on Monday night, right,
And I mean, how much money do y'all want to
But they're on the same network.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Yeah, hold on, hold on? Who we got? Who we got?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
We got the Bears and the Commanders and Buffalo playing
somebody the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Oh, Joe, we don't need two games on a Monday night.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And I can tell you what game everybody's gonna be
tuned into unless you're a Buffalo fan, unless you're a
Falcons fan.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Everybody gonna be watching the Bears.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Of course, everybody canna be watching the Bears comt So
I'm not sure why the NFL is doing that. Obviously,
you understand what the bottom line is at the end
of the day on why there's a double header on
a Monday. But listen, they're trying to double this. They're
trying to double it. If you understand the business, they're
just trying to double this.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That'd be like bringing putting friends and everybody Love Raymond
on the same.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Networks. Why the hell you do that?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Come on, bro, come on the NFL. It's unnecessary. I
get Sunday, I get Sunday, all these games, but on
a on a single on a singular night. Oh, your
one game we need what but you guess what. Pretty
soon they're gonna have two games on Thursday.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Watch yeah, watch yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Because you have to understand too. You got to look
at it from a business a business standpoint. You gotta
look at it from their their standpoint. You know what
their bottom line is. We're trying to maximize as much
as you can in this seventeen game season plus the
playoffs plus foot bawl. So how can we double the
profit by having two games?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What they're gonna do it They're gonna haved another playoff
game in the next three to five years that have
another playoff game, so instead of seven, they'll be eight
and you know that eighteen game coming. And what they're
trying to do also is trying to have everybody play
one game overseas. Now, good luck getting the Cowboys to
give up a home game. Now, everybody else is gonna
be more than willing to give up a home game.
Convince Jarry to give up one of his home games.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
It ain't happen.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
It ain't happening because if you give up a home game,
that's taking away the money.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I mean, I get I get Jacksonville, I get Cleveland,
I get some of these teams.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But right.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Let everybody, let everybody you know, we try, we try
to grow. I don't know if football, American football, will
ever be what soccer is, or ever be what basketball is,
because nobody grows up wanting to be like Randy Moss
or wanting to be like Jared Rice or Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
If you and if you in Europe.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
But listen, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Even we will never I don't think any sport will
ever touch that of soccer, that of the beautiful. Obviously,
basketball is another sport that many of them choose to
play or should be like certain individuals. But the game
of the game of football, as great as it is,
continue to grow globally on the other side of the
world is a good thing for us.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
It's a good thing, oh because obviously not.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Only do we get to to to expand from an
economic standpoint, it's good for for other players their brand
and being able to do things not just here in
the States, but being able to do things outside of
the States as well. So in a sense, long term,
it's a great thing. It's a great thing. But we
would they will never ever be.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Able to be what be what soccer is that's because.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Europeans they play it. They can play soccer. I give you, hmepro.
What's the likely Africa and the continent of Africa. You
have Nigeria, you have teams they can play of football.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
How many guys from Europe go like you know what? Yeah,
that football thing. I want to be back from home.
That will be Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Hey, it would be very difficult. You have to understand too.
Everybody in your everybody plays soccer. The chances of you
playing at the highest level the EPL, City I La Liga,
I mean frenchly that only so many, It's only so
many spots and everybody does it.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So like, just think about this.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I know you don't watch soccer much, but you hear
the conversations of the comparison between Christiano and Messi. I
don't think people understand how brilliant and how good these
dudes are because everybody played this sport and the comparison
of who the best is of a certain error or
a certain generation, like that's the cream of the crop.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And this and we're gonna be the place you come
to for the World Cup. Oh yeah, but you gotta
think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oo.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
In soccer. Uh MESSI left home. Uh you think about
Ronaldo left home, Hobbling probably left home. Lewan Dawski probably
left home. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a difference. But man,
this game tonight, this game tonight, We've we've been getting
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some very very good games thus far.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Earth. I know it's earlier. O Yo, it's like week eight,
Week nine.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
They be like, damn, y'all, couldn't y'all couldn't flex up
out of this one. I don't think they can flex.
I think they can only I think Sunday Night is
the game. But I think they start they're starting to
allow them to flex out earlier, because you know, ain't
nobody trying. I understand that they might be this, It
might be that, but ain't nobody trying in week ten
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trying to see a two team, a two win team
on no Sunday night or no Monday night or Thursday Thursday.
You stuck? He stuck because every everybody has to everybody
has to play.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, at least one Thursday night.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Game, right right? Huh damn man.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Out of Monday night Sunday night. Okay, yeah, oh they play?
Oh yeah, And that's the thing. It was like, hey,
Fox and CBS be like, man, we gotta go Boa.
We got a bar and burner and he said, now
let me get that one.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Hey he speaking of speaking of bars ash ash. Who
is the London game this Sunday?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Broncos?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Who they playing?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Right, yeah, I be. I'll be at that game. I
be at the game. Matter of fact. What I'm gonna
do is I'm gonna go down on the field.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
An ain't gonahing gonna change.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Can I tell you who gonna win?
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Bronco?
Speaker 5 (24:50):
The Jets?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You hoping.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
The Jets?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
All right, We're gonna get back to that.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
We got a very special guest joining us, one half
of the m O B He Crew, Hairy of with
his title album Infinite, My habit?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Whatever?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
What else?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Was good?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Shity?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah? Bag?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So Infinite? Tell us about the album? What can we
expect from this?
Speaker 7 (25:15):
The Infinite Album is an album that we're putting out
the first time since the passing the Prodigy since twenty
you know, yeah, he passed away in twenty seventeen. So
this is the first project that mart Thiep was putting
out since his passing.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
And me and Alchemist got together put some music together.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Got some prodigy versus some unheard prodigy versus Wow, just
put it, put put it, you know, put it, put
it together.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Hey.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Hey, that's dope.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
One of the things I want to talk to you
about obviously, Mob Deep, I've been been huge fans for
a very long time. When you think about the music
industry and how the sound of music changes every ten years,
have you thought about when it comes to making music
and coming out in this era with the sound being different,
do you change anything or do you stay your authentic
self based on what your true fans want to hear.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Now, you gotta stay your authentic self because you can't
alien nature your core base.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
You know what I'm saying, You can't alienate your foundation.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Without your foundation, you got nothing. You know what I'm
saying that that it's that quick money. If you try
to you know, try to be current and try to
be you know what I'm saying, try to be cool,
that's just the quick money. But then you alienate your
fan base. And mar Deep was never one to alienate
their fan base. We just we stink with our supporters.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You feel me, yes, but you don't havoc. It's a
very fine line because when you do something, they're like, man,
this the same old, same old, same old, same old.
You try to give them something new, man, I want
to hear the old stuff. So how do you how
do you balance walk this type rope this high wire
that says, Okay, I'm gonna stay true to who we are,
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but I'm gonna add a little flavor so you let
you know that we we got that we can go
other places right and still be true to who we are.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
It really is is a fine line.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
And it's a fine line in anything that you do,
whether it's music, you know what I'm saying, sports, this, that,
and the third you know what I mean, because you
gotta kind of do change with the times.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
You know, you gotta stay up to speed, you gotta
stay up with technology, you know what I mean. But
you still got to keep your core values and principles
intact right when.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
You're creating what you're creating.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
So it is it's a tough balancing act and not
a lot of artists could countroll that line.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
It's really it makes a breaks artists.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
To be at the end of the day, Yeah, how
did you? How did you and a pride did you meet?
We met at high school? We met at high school.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Yeah, back in nineteen eighty nine, you know what I mean,
the High School of All Design back in New York.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, no, and yeah we hit it off.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Man.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
We was like instant friends.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
How did you? I want to know how you came
up with the name mab beat all right?
Speaker 6 (27:55):
So you know, you know, did he want to design
us back in the day?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (28:00):
He wanted to sign and and he was like, yo, man,
our name was poetical prophets back in the days, you know.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
And then he was like, y'all want to sign y'all man,
but y'all gotta change your name.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
So we went back to the drawing board and we described.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
We came up with a name that described how we rolled,
you know what I mean when we went out and y'all,
we was deep and it was a marble.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
But you know what I mean, Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Mhm.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
And the name the name stuck.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The name stuck from the Queen's Bridge. I mean, hey,
nods man, y'all got I see I see you in QB.
I saw you.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I was like yo, Jungle, I was out there. I
was like okay, and everybody came out like man, got
here in the bridge. The bridge okay, yeah, the bridge, Yo.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
You kept you kept in a buck with that one
you kept in the stack.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I was like you was you was right there to
think of it all man word a half.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Most of the time us as fans music fans, we
only get to see the finished product.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I don't think fans really understand the work that goes
in when it comes to making an album. You know,
the hour, the countless hours, the writing, the brain freeze
you get when it comes to the finished product that
you do have now in the infinite How long did
it take for you to, for one, come up with
the vision and what you want to do and actually
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completing the album?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
How long did that?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Know?
Speaker 7 (29:32):
I mean, you know me, they have to pull me
away from a project to make me stop because I'll
work forever.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
I'm like a perfectionist.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
They have to stop me. They be like, chill have
chill have is done. But with this project, you know,
with Prodigy in mind, it's like I knew that we
had a job to do and we had to get
it done, you know what I mean, we had unfinished business.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So this project, I would say.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
It took us about a good little year to get
everything right.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
And you know, do all these songs, pick the best
songs and just you know, and then and and and
come with a complete project.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
So it took about it took about a year. You know.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Ef MISSD is regarded as one of the best all
time albums. What do you think if some of the
things that make an album a classic and make it
be able to stand the test of time.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
You know, what makes an album a classic is to me,
in my mind, is not even knowing that it's a classic.
You know what I mean, You don't you don't even
realize it's a classic. It's just something that it stands
the test of time. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
It can be good, it's good. In the first decade,
it was it was. It came out. The second the
next decade.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
It's still popping. And then the third decade, we played
it like it's brand new. We all know albums like that,
like the Chronic you know what I'm saying. Some n
w A projects, you know, a Wu Tang project, you
know what I'm saying, Classic albums that we still play
today and our kids just bump into it and they
wasn't even born at the top, you feel me, that's
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the classic for you?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, when it's based on some of the classes that
you just named, who would be outside of yourself, your
group in general, outside of yourself, what would you say
is the most classic hip hop album that was It
was classic in the eighties or whether it was the nineties,
whether it's the two thousands, that you could put it
on in any eraror any generation and it resonates with everybody.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Man, I have to say off the Wall.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know what I'm saying, you know, Off the Wall,
Michael Jackson, Off the Wall.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, I have to say, Okay, that's what they have
for real talk if you just listen. Not not commercial,
because we know what Thriller was, but I believe Off
the Wall is Michael Jackson's best.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Work exactly before it got crazy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
It's like, didn't have the commercial success. It didn't have
the commercial senses are bad then Now the commercial census
maybe invincible, right, but boe, y'all better go back and listen.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Listen off the wall.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Because that was that was his boundation, right, like that
was his foundation.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And then you know, came with Thriller.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
He was like, all right, that's dope, but that.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Was Hey, they have been at you from Queen Bridge.
I know you got to be a huge fan of
battle all day long, all day love. Okay, okay, definitely,
definitely I've been.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I've been a huge fan of battle rapp Man for now,
maybe about eight nine years I'm talking about. I done
went back and then my homework when when Tay and
clips and then that's about way back when they first started,
and I caught up.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
I caught up to now to where I'm the hugest,
hugest battle bat battle Rap fan. Who would who would?
Who would be your favorite battle Rapper if you had
to take one man?
Speaker 7 (32:51):
There's so many, but you know, Polo to Dawn is
one of them that I like, you know what I mean,
I really I've liked him. And when you're dealing with
that battle rap and if you're not acclimated to it
or you want to learn about it, you could go
down a rabbit hole for real, you.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Know what I mean? Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
So real yeah, I haven't. You know, look in the
nineties it started.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Look it started back in the eighties with the beefing,
and then it came to the nineties. When you heard
hit him up and you heard Tupac mention, y'all, what
did you think, You're like, man, we got to get this, dude, Man,
I got we got to come out with something.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
We got to send some shops back. Man. Damn, hey, listen, listen.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Hip hop is a contact sport. So we wanted all
the smoke.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
We wanted all the smoke.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
He was like, yeah, yeah, come on, give us, give
us some more, right, And you look, look when he
did that.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You know, I looked at Tupac.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
He was like mad things. He had the movie Juice.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
So, and then, you know, Tubac was pretty popular.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
So we just coming up in the game, trying to
make a name for ourself. So he helped us make
a name for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So, you know, I wasn't you know what I'm saying,
I'm gonna I ain't gonna lie till you have. I
didn't know.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I was like, well, damn, he mentioned I said, Well,
let me go see what we're talking about exactly.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
That's that's my point exactly, you know what I mean.
And I think if he was allowed today, we probably
would have been mad cool.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
By now, you know what I mean. So yeah, it's
all good. Give me some what what do you think
that the top you you're a writer producer?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You m C what is?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Did give me your top five track? You think you produced?
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Jump row my top five tracks that I produced? Definitely
gotta say shook once. That's that's you know, Without that song,
where would I be?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Quiet Storm? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Remixed teaturing little Kim crazy even you know one of
her best songs that I that I did even for her,
Uh why that I produced with Jada kiss You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
That's not.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
We wor why by Jada kiss H. I would have
to say, uh, let me see.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Oh a joint that I did for Nas called uh
the setup that's for and one called uh the Promise
that I did for Foxy Baum.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Now, yeah, she's.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Killing, she chilling, she she gonna come back out soon.
You know, we be messaging and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
You know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
But that's my girl?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
He did you did you.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Did you always want to be in this space? Did
you always want to be in MC Did you always
want to write? Did you always want to produce? Did
you always want to wrap? Or was there something else
that you wanted to do? But you like, you know what,
at that point in time, you're like hip hop was
calling you.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
I mean, I wanted to be an architect, so you know,
I went to I went to the School of Art
and Design high school, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
I wanted to be an architect.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
I wanted to build things, buildings, but then music just
kind of like took over.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
My life when I got into high school, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 7 (35:59):
And I come, I come from a place Queensbridge where
we got Molly Maul, you know, saying nahs, mc shan
rock and chante.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
So it was like this tradition out there in hip hop,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
So you know, I got that bug early, the music
bug early, and you know, luckily I was successful at
it because you know, I definitely wanted to be an
architect first before music.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But you know, the queen Bridge y'all been ballot Mally
Mall and boogie down with a with k R.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
S One y'all.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Y'all been ballot for a minute. It all started. It
all started with y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I mean it really did.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
And when you when you front row to a battle
like that, it puts the fire in your belly. You
feel me, It put that fire in there where you
just like I could do this.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
You know what I'm saying, Like, who this man think
he is coming through trying to diss my hood?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You feel me?
Speaker 7 (36:59):
But I love I love Kris One, you know what
I mean. That's what That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Hip hop or contact sport. You think, y'all think your
dude in football, we we out here going crazy hip hop.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
The funny thing when when you think about hip hop
to the way you describe it it being a contact sport,
the better your penmanship, the harder you hit, right, And
that's that's all they come down to, the better the
pin Man. I don't know, man, I'm I'm a huge, huge,
huge fan of hip hop.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I bet I can't rap. I can't rap. I never
I can. I can talk ship, but I can't rap.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
And it's always been a joy of mind to see
people like yourself, k R. S One and some of
the some of the other artists that I grew up,
grew up watching still doing that thing today and I
just want to say, brother.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I salute you. I salute you. I got I gotta
meet you. Matter of fact, you in New York.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yes, indeed, I come to New York tomorrow. Pull up,
pull up, I got, I got to pull it up,
pull up. Man it an honor, you know what I mean.
And I thank y'all. Let me on for real.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
We appreciate you coming on one half of Mob Deep
Habit album titled Infinite with tracks from the late Prodigy
Bro thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
We appreciate it continued success. We'll see you down the road.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Thank you, Man East, He's love.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Arizona Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon said he apologized to
the team for the sideline confrontation with Amri d Macaro
Macardo excuse me, during which Gannon appeared to strike the
third year running back. Gannon said, I woke up this
morning and I didn't feel great about it, honestly, so
in the team meeting, I addressed it. I apologized to Amorri,
I apologize to the team, and I just told them
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I kind of let the moment of what happened get
the better of me. Obviously, I try to be emotional state,
emotionally stable and calme because my job is to solve
problems during the game and kind of lead the charge
on that.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
So it's really not who I am and I want
to be. It's not who I want to.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
It's really not about that's not who I really am.
When people's emotions are high, logic is low. Like you
always say, you're a coach understanding that you're probably gonna
lose a game based on a bonehead play that a
player does. You're not thinking about. Okay, I know he
did that, but let me not react. Let me not
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react on players. Get coaches five yes.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
For situations like you just saw.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I think he is and is well right to be
able to react how he sees fit. Now no public opinion.
You can't do that in this day and age, in
this era. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Sometimes you should be able to chast type a player,
regardless of whether he makes millions of dollars or not.
There are certain things you should not do in a game.
It's a game of inches. It's a game of inches.
Every play matters that at it. Because of that play,
in that mistake.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
You lost the game.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
You're gonna put the game out of reach because twenty
eight to six. Hey, listen, I understand him. He has
to apologize. Obviously, the era I grew up in, that's
the way. That's the way they for sure, that's the
way they handled us. It's not it's frowned upon today
in today's game regards to what level of football you play.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But you had that happened. That was never a thing.
I don't remember that ever happened.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Had you had you did a play like that when
I was growing up, you wouldn't have made it to
the sideline.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Code would have grabbed you by your face mask and.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Man, listen, And I asked you this every time a chat.
Let me know, chat if you ever saw this. Think
about I think about Miami. I think about Liberty City,
the inner city where I grew up. The way the
high schools, uh, the Optimist clubs, and the way the
coaches coach, and I think one of the reasons why
we are all so great and so many of us
come out of our area and flourish at the highest
level despite circumstances, despite obstacles. It's because of us becoming
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numb to the way we're the way we're coached, as
hard as it is, and being used to the cursing
and the hollering, especially in precious situations.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
We're already built for it. We're already built for it.
The documentary I asked you about a while ago called
The Year of the Bull.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
You never did Year the Bull, Huh. It's a documentary
on Miami Northwestern. The way the coaches were back then
and the way they coached some of those teams unbelievable. Chad,
I don't know if any of you saw The Year
of the Bull, the documentary about Miami Northwestern where Teddy
Bridgewater went. A lot of NFL players that are in
the league now and former NFL players. It's a reason
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why they're so great. It's a reason because they're not baby.
They're not they're not pampered when it comes to plan
the position, I mean, the sport of football, and at
times it's needed because you look, you look at some
of the mistakes.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
That that we make.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
To day, parents, you can't scold your kids, you can't
beat your kids the way you used to.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
It's frowned upon some of the mistakes and kids and
being out of control.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Back then, Yeah, it was a village. It was you
wasn't getting away with some of that stuff. Today, I'm
in the grocery store. I'm hearing kids cussing at day mama,
Like what you I don't want I don't fucking want
to do it? What when we go we going in
the store, your mama tell you getting out of the car,
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we going to the store, don't ask me for shit.
Don't touch ish and don't touch nothing. And when you're
going to stow, you're gonna do two things. You're not
gonna touch nothing and you ain't gonna asking for nothing.
Now what you might do, You might sneak something, sneak
something the buggy and hope she paid for it when
she pull everything out.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
When you get to the resist them man.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Not mayor porter, mayor porter, go say take that ish
back where you got it from? It did it? Didn't go?
Hit you outside your head?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Say I told you not to put nothing in my
bugget Now my grandma reads here, that was a whole
different story. See like grandparents, Oh, Joe, we stayed with
Mary and Barney, so my other grandparents, my Dad, Mommy
and father. They didn't see us that much. So what
they're gonna do? Give us whatever we want. Soon as
we hit the door, Papa drop us off. Granted to
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Willim and Grandma child and we call it Charlie had
go them boys. Oh Joe, I got my little bag.
Soon as I hit the dough granb my child. Can
we go to the grocery store?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
All right?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Uh uh?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
William granted to William load the cob hot dogs, hot
hot dog buns, honey buns, potato chill soda, cause all
she drank with tab soda. I don't know if anybody
remember old enough to remember tab in that pink can
issue with nasty. But boy, man, if she said, well,
we're gonna go to the store later. Here, here's a
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dollar for you and spanking give me a dollar before
we hit that door. Store probably like fifty by fifty yards.
Hell yeah, but Mary Porter, we going on Saturday, because
really that's the only time we went shopping Saturday. Maybe
maybe like a Friday afternoon. Papa would take us.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
We go pick up.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Granted, she had to got paid. She gonna go get
cash your check and then we'll go. But we already know.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Why don't you put the blood please?
Speaker 1 (44:21):
But you're right, o Cho, like there was a I
don't know, and maybe maybe because it was always that way, Ocho,
But we didn't have the internet. Everything wasn't film. So
maybe kids were just as respectful the disrespectful then as
they are now. It's hard for me to believe that,
but I just know from what I saw. But them
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parents ain't play that. The parents ain't play that.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Every once in a while you might see, you know,
the white people, they they were a little bit more Okay, okay, mom,
I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
But the black kids, blood please matter. They ain't play that.
Wherever Mary Porter said, whoever you sho show out.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
You get woe out, gonna get matters.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It didn't matter walking on the street.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
It didn't matter. You're gonna get it. You're gonna get
it right right now. Hold on, hold on, I'm thinking
I'm slick.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
You know when when it's a senior quiet time at
my grandma at church and she see me acting up
in the pew, she ain't got to do nothing.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Look at you, just just there and you already know that.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Man, Come on, man, the saying it takes a village.
I'm telling you, man, the days back then, man, in
the eighties, in the early nineties, and the people ain't playing. Nah,
people don't play. You' cana act up. Well, don't make
me call your grandma.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
My grandma would have been twill good o Joe, my
grandma being my grandma be in church. I started crying already. No,
she says, you're gonna cut my tail already, know, she.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
Said, oh Joe, hey, hey, listen, hold on. My grandma
used to come on my arm and pinch. She had
pinched my arm, twisted, twist, and then you know you're
so young.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Once you start.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Crying, you're crying out loud.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
She's writing that purse she give me either that Butterscot's
candy or peppermint to get me to get quiet.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Oh days, but see we getting the butterscots that's already
out the wrap. We got got everything or got a
penny stuck to it? Can we get some candy with
the wrapper? Did you give you that butterscotch? That that
pippermint that got lian on it. It got a little
cotton fuzzy itin' got a penny or dime stuff to it.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I was like, get here, hold on.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Hey, y'all, y'all had y'all had the candy with the
strawberry m Yes, you know what, listen boy.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
But but but to get back on this football face,
it's different, and I get out sometimes what I mean
that some some coaches that was abusive what they did.
Obviously you can't coach like that. But that's why, that's
why it would be hard for me to coach Ojo
because you know better. You've seen it. You just saw
last week Mitchell do it and it cost himself a
(47:15):
seventy six yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
And if they lost the game, I think too, didn't
it didn't they lose to the Rams.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
The Coast.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Didn't the coach lose that game with Mitchell bobbed it?
Speaker 5 (47:27):
I'm not sure I think they did.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, they lost to the Rams, Ojo, So you've seen
it happen, but yet you still doing it.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
I just like, like he like the one hundred meters,
anybody that breaks it open from now on, cross through
the line. You should pretend like you're running a hundred
because you're not. You're not gonna slow up before you
cross that line. The same thing in football, cross that line,
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It and Olympic gold medalist in Paris, Massides Russell joins
us a little later. But first, boy, we had a
bond burnover game tonight. The Jaguar, the Jaguar. The Jags
showed their merit that grit, being down fourteen points, scored
(03:16):
twenty one unanswered. The Chiefs come back tied up, but
guess what and they take the lead twenty eight to
twenty four. But the Jags would not be denied. They
go down the field, big time catchers, get a passing
afference in the end zone, they score, and they take
a ball gain A close ball game, a very entertaining,
a very great ball game, thirty one to twenty eight.
(03:39):
Oh Joe, let's go with the Jags first, Trevor Lawrence
eighteen to twenty five, two to twenty one, one touchdown.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But it was its legs tonight. It seemed like to me.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Liam Cohen said, look, when they come with pressure, and
they will bring pressure a lot on third down, don't
even look, don't even worry about trying to complete the
pass down the field, get up out of there. And
that's what he did tonight. I thought they played well
and when the defense needed to make a play, they
made a play.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Take off.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, Hey, the Jags look really good. Obviously, you know,
Spags loves to bring pressure to cause confusion, to get
the quarterback to rush his process, obviously resulting in sacks.
But listen, Trevor Lawrence said, not that they not on
my watch.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
He killed them with it. He killed them with his legs.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Obviously known for his arm and his other intangibles, but
tonight he used his legs to win. Travis Hunter, they
need to get him involved in the offense much more.
He saw him make a huge play that changed the
trajectory of that offensive series which led to him scoring.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Brian Toma Jr. Played well, Travis Atien.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I know what he did running the ball, but picking
up some of the blisses that he did to be
able to lie to.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Make some of the throws that he made.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Hey plays like that will keep a running back on
the field all three downs. He played from all the
football as well. Defensively, the jag hayd well as well.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
So, I mean it was a really good game.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I thought the turnovers would have hurt him because I
tweeted it during the game every time they turned them
all over. The goddamn Cheese capitalize on it, especially on
the gold line where Trevor Lawrence tried to.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Reach over and Nick Bolton punched it out.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
He punched it out right away. Listen.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Defensively, that god damn interception, that nine nine interceptions by
Lloyd That was nice.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, what you have to understand Ojo the court he's
following Mahomes eyes Mahomes stared stared it down.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know, they tried to They tried to run the.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Both arrow rat push up, but it ran double arrow
because here comes Juju first and then I think Travis
was coming in behind him.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So they tried to run double arrow.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But the problem is is that when you look the
linebacker who's inside, he's going to naturally drift that weight
and because I mean he hit it right in his
bread basket, he breaks a tackle, he side steps Mahomes
and now he's off to the races. The guy did
a great job, was just getting enough for Thornton to
throw him off his rhythmic. Thornton was coming, but oh yeah,
(06:06):
for sure he would have called him. But I think
you have to give the Jacks a lot of credit
being down at home. Fourteen points to that team, and
they were playing extremely well, but when they needed to
make plays, they made plays. At the end, Trevor Lawrence
played well. You mentioned at in it was this Blitz
pick up. Yeah, he had twelve cars forty nine yards.
(06:26):
He's averaging what was that basically four yards of carry.
But those boat when and some of those other guys
was coming on the Blitz Chanelle train quote, he stoned them.
I mean he stoned them. The defensive line did a
very good job of protecting. Look, they had a half
a sack, well, they had what two sacks? Three sacks?
(06:48):
Look like you got sacked three times. He got three sacks,
got sacked three times. But I thought they did a
great job considering the amount of pressure that Spags likes
to bring. And you know, when he feels threatened, he's
gonna bring pressure. If they knew that too. But you
look at those throws at the end. Man, he dropped
that one in the bucket to Brian Thomas Junior right
on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And then he found the uh he found uh what's
his name, O Joe? Uh with it? Washington? Uh?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I think it was Washington that ended up catching
the two catching the outball. But Trevor LaRence played as well.
This is the Trevor Lawrence that they said, okay when
you took him number one. Overall, this is what they
expect him to look like. And he has moments like this,
but then he'll come back and he'll think up the
joint you like, well, bro, I've seen what you can do.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I know what you can do because I've seen it
first hand. What happened.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, the problem is what we saw the Knight from
Trevor Lawrence. Where we saw the knight collectively for the Jaguars.
This is not the Jaguars of old. This is a
new team. What we saw to night is a different
type of Jaguars offense. I don't think they've beating the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's been a very very long time since nine, you know,
so normally a team like this, the old Jaguars team,
they would have folded, they would have folded like lawn chair.
But they continued to fight despite being down, and they
fought their way back.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I really impressed, really impressed.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
If we can get this type of quarterback play from
Trevor Lawrence consistently, consistently, not just one night, consistently, but
they're gonna be fine. They're gonna be in the hunt.
They're gonna be in contention every single year if he
can continue to play like this but minimize the goddamn
ye had.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Two to to night, and they and they, you know,
and they were able to survive them. I mean, right
there at the gold line, he fumbled that way and
he threw a pick when they had, they had a lead,
so he has to he has to be very very
careful that the Jags pass board games have been decided
by total of eighteen points. They're three and one of
those games, winning three straight. The Jags are now four
and one with two home games coming up, the Seahawks
(08:46):
and the Rams. Uh both of those Both of those
teams have quarterbacks that can throw the football. Both of
those teams have receivers that can go get the ball.
You look at the Rams, you talk about pooping the
cool you talk about Davonte Adams, they can go get it.
We know Seattle, you see Sam Donald with JSN. Yes, man,
they got guys that can go get the football. So
(09:07):
would I be surprised if we see another couple both
of those games end up something like this, O shoe No, No,
I would not, No, I absolutely would not. But the
Jags were very very impressive tonight, and.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Do dude ball.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Y'all should stand up because y'all got to make it
of a very good team. Lim Cohen has done an
unbelievable job.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Gutt it. Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Trevor Lawrence has always had the ability from the moment
he stepped foot on the field at Clemson, they say,
this guy in three years from that point when he
comes out, he's gonna be the number one pick in
the draft. He led Clemson to a national championship as
a true freshman. Not very many true freshmen can do that.
I think the last time it happened probably with Jamail Holloway,
and you had to go way back, way back Oklahoma,
(09:49):
back eighty five probably, So for him to do that,
and then who do they beat? They beat Alabama, and
we know what Alabama represented and so, and for him
to do that, he been He was very, very impressive.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But for whatever the reason, the last couple of years,
I don't know if it was injury.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Now, I think the first the first year, you know,
Urban Myer was his coach, and I don't think that
was the best situation. He wasn't set up for success
in that situation. But now Lim coy and we saw
what Coin has done with Baker two years, I mean
two years with Baker, and you see what Baker has become.
Now Baker is still on that he's still rising even
(10:28):
though Liam left. But we saw what that what he
become under Lim Cohen. So this offense is very quarterback, friendly,
the guy receiver. They got guys that can go get
the ball. I agree with you right now. Until Travis
refined and skilled. Look, oh yeah, they don't run it
really on nothing but spots. They're running most spots shellacross
a five yards turn to ride. We throw you the ball,
make a got mistake off running the shallow cross, and
(10:50):
when they throw the ball down the field, they're allowing
him to use his athletic ability. Remember to play what
was it last week a couple of weeks ago against
San Francisco. They threw the dagger, he elevates, catches it.
We saw him tonight in between two.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's what.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So until he refines his route running ability, this is
what you're gonna have to do. Try to find ways
to create get him in space, and let him use
his athleticism until he understands how to consistently run the
raw tree.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Because these guys that play dB they really good.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
They're very good, very good. But I think Travis Hunt
is one of those. He has such raw talent. He's
so good, especially with his ball skills, whether it's on
the defensive side of the ball or whether it's on
the offense side of the ball, if you can just
get the ball in the vicinity, if you can just
get in the area so he can make a play
on it.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
He coming down with that ball nine times out.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Of him and on the Chiefs, I thought, Patrick Mahomes,
Look he played well tonight, twenty nine to forty one,
three to eighteen, one touchdown, the very costly interception that
led to a noted the one thing that you don't
want to have happen. You don't want to give up
points on your possession. So in other words, you don't
want to have a scooping score. You don't want to
have a pick six, because now you know what I'm saying,
that's not what you're built to do. Your defense is
(11:57):
not on the field. We understand defensively, they're gonna score. Look,
these teams are really good, so for you to shut
a team out, it's probably not gonna happen. But the
last thing we want to do is give up points
while our offense is on the field. Because because our
defense didn't get a chance, didn't get a chance to
stop them. Patrick Mahomes led up with rushing he was
six or sixty. Kareem Hunt had seven for forty nine
(12:20):
check o. He had salvemn for thirty six twenty two
for one point fifty eight three touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And you see the way they came out. They threw
to set up the run.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
If you look at the first the first series, the
first couple of series, what they're doing getting the.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Ball out of his hands. Quick. Guys were making.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Plays quick, quick game.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But remember I said this, Yeah, when you don't have
a rapport with your quarterback. If Hollywood Brown had a
rapport with his quarterback, they win this game. Patrick mahons,
Patrick Mahomes get him on the shoulder with the ball.
He still don't know what that is. The safety is
flat footed. He catched this ball on Joe. He's coming
at the backside.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
At the end of the game. Oh yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You see there are some guys you were imagine if
you had up like damn, ain't nobody here.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Let me look for.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
This ball he is. He's running the route that they
called oblivious.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Right to the situation. You gotta understand the situation.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Travis Kelce, you remember Travis Kelce against Buffalo. He got wide,
Patrick Mahome put the ball on him.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
They got in field goal range.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Hollywood, All you gotta do you see everybody's off, Oh Joe,
the backside safety is flat footed. He catched this ball.
That's Hollywood Brown. He's coming out the backside. That's a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah he could go, now, just go, he can go
if anything, because the entire defense was back.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
He can come out the backside.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
If he doesn't even make it out the backside, you're
still in field goal range.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
You get down, call the time out if.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You If you go back and look at this, if
you me, you don't think Hollywood Brown is oh cho
Because the safety, the backside safety, he's flat footed. That
means Hollywood Brown is gonna catch this ball where they
running start.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, he came. Ain't no, ain't no way. No safety
that's flat footed.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's gonna turn and beat Hollywood Brown to a point.
But we talked about this the other remember that. I
think it was the first game he tried to do
that with a receiver. But he doesn't have the report.
Now that's Tyreek Hill. Oh Joe were having a whole
different conversation because they have a report. They have an
understanding with each other, that's what. But the Mahomes is
(14:37):
gonna have to get with these guys and say, look, guys,
I understand what's called. But if that guy's off, you
look for the ball.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
And obviously it's all situations. Yes, you understand.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Obviously whatever route is called normally, if we're if we're
in a regular game, then yes, the route is called.
You run, you run to your death. But it's it's
just understanding the situation. If they're backed up, turn your head,
run right away. Get what you can with the ball,
get what you can. Understanding there's only a little bit
of time on the clock. You don't even have time
to get into your food.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
No, don't, don't.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Like, See, the thing is is that I'm not so sure.
I don't even call fair catch on that oyo on
the kickoff because guess what happened. You're not gonna run
it back and there's a greater chance of you getting
a holding call or a block in the back call
that you're running it back. So now, instead of starting
at the twenty five, guess where you're gonna start at
inside your twenty right, and guess what's guess what else
(15:30):
you did? You ran time off the clock because see
the ball don't start the clock, don't start until you
touch the ball. Now you run, you take six seconds
off the clock. Now, well six seven seconds off the clock.
Now you get a block in the back. You took
eight seconds off the clock and you're ten fifteen yards
back further than what you would have been.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
But those are things that you learn.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
See, those are things that we talk I don't look,
I can't speak to everybody else, But this is what
we talked about in situations like this. Look, if the
balls kicked in the M zone, leave it in the
M zone. We don't run and running in time punt return,
fair catch. We don't want any time to run off
the clock. We don't want to get an illegal block.
Look we got they had three time outs, O joe,
(16:14):
three timeouts in thirty seconds. That's an eternity. Because the
entire field is in play. I can throw them all
over the middle. It's in play. Call a time out. Now,
I just took seven seconds off the clock. I got
twenty three. Guess what middle field is still in play.
I take another second, seven seconds off the clock. Guess
(16:34):
what I still gotta time out the field. The entirety
of the field is still in play. Yeah, that's things
that you got to talk about and you've got to
do a better job.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Special teams.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Coach, you's got to do a better job of helping
guys understand, remind them, remind them, Hey, fair catch this,
X Y and zy go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, it's all about It's all about the coaches letting
the players know certain situations defensively, offensively, special teams, if
these certain situations come up, even if they might not
come up, just so they're aware. And obviously coaches have
to know in game what's possible. There's a chance that
this might happen. There's a chance that this might happen,
So be aware and understanding this is what you want
(17:17):
to do in this situation. Same with Holly Bell Brown
on that play towards the end of the game, understanding, Hell,
they damned it winning predds. Get your head around fast.
If you can go out the back door, go out
the back door. If you can't get as much as
you can get down, call time out and re fast.
So we have our opportunity in a chance to run
something else.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
But you got to give the Jazz credit. They didn't
hang their heads.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
They fell behind fourteen nothing, they get a touchdown late,
They get a touchdown late in the second in the
second quarter, making a fourteen to seven ball game, and
then they score fourteen more points, so they scored twenty
one out of as points and then we saw what
happened at the end of the game. But give those
guys credit because I thought Jacksonville played really well.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
They showed me something.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
They showed me something getting down to this team with
this defense and that guy playing quarterback, they showed me something.
I thought the receivers played well today. Thornton stepped up.
Thornton's been playing extremely well.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Xavier work again again, Thornton again with another big play.
I wish I wish he could have kept his balance
too on that deep ball and scored and scored that.
But yeah, they played really well both sides of the ball.
This is I don't know who the hell skepu of
these goddamn games, but every time we got a Sunday
night or Monday night or Thursday night game, they had
(18:31):
been phenomenal, phenomenal game.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
If if you.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Blink, you might miss something, that's how good the games
have been so far through.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Weeks, right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
But the thing I don't understand is next week we
got a doubleheader. We don't need two games on Monday night, right,
And I mean, how much money do y'all want to
But they're on the same network.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Yeah, hold on, hold on? Who we got? Who we got?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
We got the Bears and the Commanders and Buffalo playing
somebody the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Oh, Joe, we don't need two games on a Monday night.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And I can tell you what game everybody's gonna be
tuned into unless you're a Buffalo fan, unless you're a
Falcons fan.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Everybody gonna be watching the Bears.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Of course, everybody canna be watching the Bears comt So
I'm not sure why the NFL is doing that. Obviously,
you understand what the bottom line is at the end
of the day on why there's a double header on
a Monday. But listen, they're trying to double this. They're
trying to double it. If you understand the business, they're
just trying to double this.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That'd be like bringing putting friends and everybody Love Raymond
on the same.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Networks. Why the hell you do that?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Come on, bro, come on the NFL. It's unnecessary. I
get Sunday, I get Sunday, all these games, but on
a on a single on a singular night. Oh, your
one game we need what but you guess what. Pretty
soon they're gonna have two games on Thursday.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Watch yeah, watch yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Because you have to understand too. You got to look
at it from a business a business standpoint. You gotta
look at it from their their standpoint. You know what
their bottom line is. We're trying to maximize as much
as you can in this seventeen game season plus the
playoffs plus foot bawl. So how can we double the
profit by having two games?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What they're gonna do it They're gonna haved another playoff
game in the next three to five years that have
another playoff game, so instead of seven, they'll be eight
and you know that eighteen game coming. And what they're
trying to do also is trying to have everybody play
one game overseas. Now, good luck getting the Cowboys to
give up a home game. Now, everybody else is gonna
be more than willing to give up a home game.
Convince Jarry to give up one of his home games.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
It ain't happen.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
It ain't happening because if you give up a home game,
that's taking away the money.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I mean, I get I get Jacksonville, I get Cleveland,
I get some of these teams.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But right.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Let everybody, let everybody you know, we try, we try
to grow. I don't know if football, American football, will
ever be what soccer is, or ever be what basketball is,
because nobody grows up wanting to be like Randy Moss
or wanting to be like Jared Rice or Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
If you and if you in Europe.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
But listen, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Even we will never I don't think any sport will
ever touch that of soccer, that of the beautiful. Obviously,
basketball is another sport that many of them choose to
play or should be like certain individuals. But the game
of the game of football, as great as it is,
continue to grow globally on the other side of the
world is a good thing for us.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
It's a good thing, oh because obviously not.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Only do we get to to to expand from an
economic standpoint, it's good for for other players their brand
and being able to do things not just here in
the States, but being able to do things outside of
the States as well. So in a sense, long term,
it's a great thing. It's a great thing. But we
would they will never ever be.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Able to be what be what soccer is that's because.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Europeans they play it. They can play soccer. I give you, hmepro.
What's the likely Africa and the continent of Africa. You
have Nigeria, you have teams they can play of football.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
How many guys from Europe go like you know what? Yeah,
that football thing. I want to be back from home.
That will be Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Hey, it would be very difficult. You have to understand too.
Everybody in your everybody plays soccer. The chances of you
playing at the highest level the EPL, City I La Liga,
I mean frenchly that only so many, It's only so
many spots and everybody does it.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So like, just think about this.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I know you don't watch soccer much, but you hear
the conversations of the comparison between Christiano and Messi. I
don't think people understand how brilliant and how good these
dudes are because everybody played this sport and the comparison
of who the best is of a certain error or
a certain generation, like that's the cream of the crop.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And this and we're gonna be the place you come
to for the World Cup. Oh yeah, but you gotta
think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oo.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
In soccer. Uh MESSI left home. Uh you think about
Ronaldo left home, Hobbling probably left home. Lewan Dawski probably
left home. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a difference. But man,
this game tonight, this game tonight, We've we've been getting
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some very very good games thus far.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Earth. I know it's earlier. O Yo, it's like week eight,
Week nine.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
They be like, damn, y'all, couldn't y'all couldn't flex up
out of this one. I don't think they can flex.
I think they can only I think Sunday Night is
the game. But I think they start they're starting to
allow them to flex out earlier, because you know, ain't
nobody trying. I understand that they might be this, It
might be that, but ain't nobody trying in week ten
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trying to see a two team, a two win team
on no Sunday night or no Monday night or Thursday Thursday.
You stuck? He stuck because every everybody has to everybody
has to play.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, at least one Thursday night.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Game, right right? Huh damn man.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Out of Monday night Sunday night. Okay, yeah, oh they play?
Oh yeah, And that's the thing. It was like, hey,
Fox and CBS be like, man, we gotta go Boa.
We got a bar and burner and he said, now
let me get that one.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Hey he speaking of speaking of bars ash ash. Who
is the London game this Sunday?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Broncos?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Who they playing?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Right, yeah, I be. I'll be at that game. I
be at the game. Matter of fact. What I'm gonna
do is I'm gonna go down on the field.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
An ain't gonahing gonna change.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Can I tell you who gonna win?
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Bronco?
Speaker 5 (24:50):
The Jets?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You hoping.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
The Jets?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
All right, We're gonna get back to that.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
We got a very special guest joining us, one half
of the m O B He Crew, Hairy of with
his title album Infinite, My habit?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Whatever?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
What else?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Was good?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Shity?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah? Bag?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So Infinite? Tell us about the album? What can we
expect from this?
Speaker 7 (25:15):
The Infinite Album is an album that we're putting out
the first time since the passing the Prodigy since twenty
you know, yeah, he passed away in twenty seventeen. So
this is the first project that mart Thiep was putting
out since his passing.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
And me and Alchemist got together put some music together.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Got some prodigy versus some unheard prodigy versus Wow, just
put it, put put it, you know, put it, put
it together.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Hey.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Hey, that's dope.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
One of the things I want to talk to you
about obviously, Mob Deep, I've been been huge fans for
a very long time. When you think about the music
industry and how the sound of music changes every ten years,
have you thought about when it comes to making music
and coming out in this era with the sound being different,
do you change anything or do you stay your authentic
self based on what your true fans want to hear.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Now, you gotta stay your authentic self because you can't
alien nature your core base.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
You know what I'm saying, You can't alienate your foundation.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Without your foundation, you got nothing. You know what I'm
saying that that it's that quick money. If you try
to you know, try to be current and try to
be you know what I'm saying, try to be cool,
that's just the quick money. But then you alienate your
fan base. And mar Deep was never one to alienate
their fan base. We just we stink with our supporters.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You feel me, yes, but you don't havoc. It's a
very fine line because when you do something, they're like, man,
this the same old, same old, same old, same old.
You try to give them something new, man, I want
to hear the old stuff. So how do you how
do you balance walk this type rope this high wire
that says, Okay, I'm gonna stay true to who we are,
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but I'm gonna add a little flavor so you let
you know that we we got that we can go
other places right and still be true to who we are.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
That's true.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
It really is is a fine line.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
And it's a fine line in anything that you do,
whether it's music, you know what I'm saying, sports, this, that,
and the third you know what I mean, because you
gotta kind of do change with the times.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
You know, you gotta stay up to speed, you gotta
stay up with technology, you know what I mean. But
you still got to keep your core values and principles
intact right when.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
You're creating what you're creating.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
So it is it's a tough balancing act and not
a lot of artists could countroll that line.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
It's really it makes a breaks artists.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
To be at the end of the day, Yeah, how
did you? How did you and a pride did you meet?
We met at high school? We met at high school.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Yeah, back in nineteen eighty nine, you know what I mean,
the High School of All Design back in New York.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, no, and yeah we hit it off.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Man.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
We was like instant friends.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
How did you? I want to know how you came
up with the name mab beat all right?
Speaker 6 (27:55):
So you know, you know, did he want to design
us back in the day?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (28:00):
He wanted to sign and and he was like, yo, man,
our name was poetical prophets back in the days, you know.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
And then he was like, y'all want to sign y'all man,
but y'all gotta change your name.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
So we went back to the drawing board and we described.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
We came up with a name that described how we rolled,
you know what I mean when we went out and y'all,
we was deep and it was a marble.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
But you know what I mean, Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Mhm.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
And the name the name stuck.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The name stuck from the Queen's Bridge. I mean, hey,
nods man, y'all got I see I see you in QB.
I saw you.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I was like yo, Jungle, I was out there. I
was like okay, and everybody came out like man, got
here in the bridge. The bridge okay, yeah, the bridge, Yo.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
You kept you kept in a buck with that one
you kept in the stack.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I was like you was you was right there to
think of it all man word a half.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Most of the time us as fans music fans, we
only get to see the finished product.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I don't think fans really understand the work that goes
in when it comes to making an album. You know,
the hour, the countless hours, the writing, the brain freeze
you get when it comes to the finished product that
you do have now in the infinite How long did
it take for you to, for one, come up with
the vision and what you want to do and actually
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completing the album?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
How long did that?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Know?
Speaker 7 (29:32):
I mean, you know me, they have to pull me
away from a project to make me stop because I'll
work forever.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
I'm like a perfectionist.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
They have to stop me. They be like, chill have
chill have is done. But with this project, you know,
with Prodigy in mind, it's like I knew that we
had a job to do and we had to get
it done, you know what I mean, we had unfinished business.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So this project, I would say.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
It took us about a good little year to get
everything right.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
And you know, do all these songs, pick the best
songs and just you know, and then and and and
come with a complete project.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
So it took about it took about a year. You know.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Ef MISSD is regarded as one of the best all
time albums. What do you think if some of the
things that make an album a classic and make it
be able to stand the test of time.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
You know, what makes an album a classic is to me,
in my mind, is not even knowing that it's a classic.
You know what I mean, You don't you don't even
realize it's a classic. It's just something that it stands
the test of time. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
It can be good, it's good. In the first decade,
it was it was. It came out. The second the
next decade.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
It's still popping. And then the third decade, we played
it like it's brand new. We all know albums like that,
like the Chronic you know what I'm saying. Some n
w A projects, you know, a Wu Tang project, you
know what I'm saying, Classic albums that we still play
today and our kids just bump into it and they
wasn't even born at the top, you feel me, that's
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the classic for you?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, when it's based on some of the classes that
you just named, who would be outside of yourself, your
group in general, outside of yourself, what would you say
is the most classic hip hop album that was It
was classic in the eighties or whether it was the nineties,
whether it's the two thousands, that you could put it
on in any eraror any generation and it resonates with everybody.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Man, I have to say off the Wall.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know what I'm saying, you know, Off the Wall,
Michael Jackson, Off the Wall.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, I have to say, Okay, that's what they have
for real talk if you just listen. Not not commercial,
because we know what Thriller was, but I believe Off
the Wall is Michael Jackson's best.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Work exactly before it got crazy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
It's like, didn't have the commercial success. It didn't have
the commercial senses are bad then Now the commercial census
maybe invincible, right, but boe, y'all better go back and listen.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Listen off the wall.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Because that was that was his boundation, right, like that
was his foundation.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And then you know, came with Thriller.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
He was like, all right, that's dope, but that.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Was Hey, they have been at you from Queen Bridge.
I know you got to be a huge fan of
battle all day long, all day love. Okay, okay, definitely,
definitely I've been.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I've been a huge fan of battle rapp Man for now,
maybe about eight nine years I'm talking about. I done
went back and then my homework when when Tay and
clips and then that's about way back when they first started,
and I caught up.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
I caught up to now to where I'm the hugest,
hugest battle bat battle Rap fan. Who would who would?
Who would be your favorite battle Rapper if you had
to take one man?
Speaker 7 (32:51):
There's so many, but you know, Polo to Dawn is
one of them that I like, you know what I mean,
I really I've liked him. And when you're dealing with
that battle rap and if you're not acclimated to it
or you want to learn about it, you could go
down a rabbit hole for real, you.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Know what I mean? Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
So real yeah, I haven't. You know, look in the
nineties it started.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Look it started back in the eighties with the beefing,
and then it came to the nineties. When you heard
hit him up and you heard Tupac mention, y'all, what
did you think, You're like, man, we got to get this, dude, Man,
I got we got to come out with something.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
We got to send some shops back. Man. Damn, hey, listen, listen.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Hip hop is a contact sport. So we wanted all
the smoke.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
We wanted all the smoke.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
He was like, yeah, yeah, come on, give us, give
us some more, right, And you look, look when he
did that.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You know, I looked at Tupac.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
He was like mad things. He had the movie Juice.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
So, and then, you know, Tubac was pretty popular.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
So we just coming up in the game, trying to
make a name for ourself. So he helped us make
a name for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So, you know, I wasn't you know what I'm saying,
I'm gonna I ain't gonna lie till you have. I
didn't know.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I was like, well, damn, he mentioned I said, Well,
let me go see what we're talking about exactly.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
That's that's my point exactly, you know what I mean.
And I think if he was allowed today, we probably
would have been mad cool.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
By now, you know what I mean. So yeah, it's
all good. Give me some what what do you think
that the top you you're a writer producer?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You m C what is?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Did give me your top five track? You think you produced?
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Jump row my top five tracks that I produced? Definitely
gotta say shook once. That's that's you know, Without that song,
where would I be?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Quiet Storm? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Remixed teaturing little Kim crazy even you know one of
her best songs that I that I did even for her,
Uh why that I produced with Jada kiss You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
That's not.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
We wor why by Jada kiss H. I would have
to say, uh, let me see.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Oh a joint that I did for Nas called uh
the setup that's for and one called uh the Promise
that I did for Foxy Baum.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Now, yeah, she's.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Killing, she chilling, she she gonna come back out soon.
You know, we be messaging and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
You know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
But that's my girl?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
He did you did you.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Did you always want to be in this space? Did
you always want to be in MC Did you always
want to write? Did you always want to produce? Did
you always want to wrap? Or was there something else
that you wanted to do? But you like, you know what,
at that point in time, you're like hip hop was
calling you.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
I mean, I wanted to be an architect, so you know,
I went to I went to the School of Art
and Design high school, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
I wanted to be an architect.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
I wanted to build things, buildings, but then music just
kind of like took over.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
My life when I got into high school, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 7 (35:59):
And I come, I come from a place Queensbridge where
we got Molly Maul, you know, saying nahs, mc shan
rock and chante.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
So it was like this tradition out there in hip hop,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
So you know, I got that bug early, the music
bug early, and you know, luckily I was successful at
it because you know, I definitely wanted to be an
architect first before music.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But you know, the queen Bridge y'all been ballot Mally
Mall and boogie down with a with k R.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
S One y'all.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Y'all been ballot for a minute. It all started. It
all started with y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I mean it really did.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
And when you when you front row to a battle
like that, it puts the fire in your belly. You
feel me, It put that fire in there where you
just like I could do this.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
You know what I'm saying, Like, who this man think
he is coming through trying to diss my hood?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You feel me?
Speaker 7 (36:59):
But I love I love Kris One, you know what
I mean. That's what That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Hip hop or contact sport. You think, y'all think your
dude in football, we we out here going crazy hip hop.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
The funny thing when when you think about hip hop
to the way you describe it it being a contact sport,
the better your penmanship, the harder you hit, right, And
that's that's all they come down to, the better the
pin Man. I don't know, man, I'm I'm a huge, huge,
huge fan of hip hop.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I bet I can't rap. I can't rap. I never
I can. I can talk ship, but I can't rap.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
And it's always been a joy of mind to see
people like yourself, k R. S One and some of
the some of the other artists that I grew up,
grew up watching still doing that thing today and I
just want to say, brother.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I salute you. I salute you. I got I gotta
meet you. Matter of fact, you in New York.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yes, indeed, I come to New York tomorrow. Pull up,
pull up, I got, I got to pull it up,
pull up. Man it an honor, you know what I mean.
And I thank y'all. Let me on for real.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
We appreciate you coming on one half of Mob Deep
Habit album titled Infinite with tracks from the late Prodigy
Bro thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
We appreciate it continued success. We'll see you down the road.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Thank you, Man East, He's love.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Arizona Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon said he apologized to
the team for the sideline confrontation with Amri d Macaro
Macardo excuse me, during which Gannon appeared to strike the
third year running back. Gannon said, I woke up this
morning and I didn't feel great about it, honestly, so
in the team meeting, I addressed it. I apologized to Amorri,
I apologize to the team, and I just told them
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I kind of let the moment of what happened get
the better of me. Obviously, I try to be emotional state,
emotionally stable and calme because my job is to solve
problems during the game and kind of lead the charge
on that.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
So it's really not who I am and I want
to be. It's not who I want to.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
It's really not about that's not who I really am.
When people's emotions are high, logic is low. Like you
always say, you're a coach understanding that you're probably gonna
lose a game based on a bonehead play that a
player does. You're not thinking about. Okay, I know he
did that, but let me not react. Let me not
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react on players. Get coaches five yes.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
For situations like you just saw.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I think he is and is well right to be
able to react how he sees fit. Now no public opinion.
You can't do that in this day and age, in
this era. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Sometimes you should be able to chast type a player,
regardless of whether he makes millions of dollars or not.
There are certain things you should not do in a game.
It's a game of inches. It's a game of inches.
Every play matters that at it. Because of that play,
in that mistake.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
You lost the game.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
You're gonna put the game out of reach because twenty
eight to six. Hey, listen, I understand him. He has
to apologize. Obviously, the era I grew up in, that's
the way. That's the way they for sure, that's the
way they handled us. It's not it's frowned upon today
in today's game regards to what level of football you play.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But you had that happened. That was never a thing.
I don't remember that ever happened.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Had you had you did a play like that when
I was growing up, you wouldn't have made it to
the sideline.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Code would have grabbed you by your face mask and.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Man, listen, And I asked you this every time a chat.
Let me know, chat if you ever saw this. Think
about I think about Miami. I think about Liberty City,
the inner city where I grew up. The way the
high schools, uh, the Optimist clubs, and the way the
coaches coach, and I think one of the reasons why
we are all so great and so many of us
come out of our area and flourish at the highest
level despite circumstances, despite obstacles. It's because of us becoming
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numb to the way we're the way we're coached, as
hard as it is, and being used to the cursing
and the hollering, especially in precious situations.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
We're already built for it. We're already built for it.
The documentary I asked you about a while ago called
The Year of the Bull.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
You never did Year the Bull, Huh. It's a documentary
on Miami Northwestern. The way the coaches were back then
and the way they coached some of those teams unbelievable. Chad,
I don't know if any of you saw The Year
of the Bull, the documentary about Miami Northwestern where Teddy
Bridgewater went. A lot of NFL players that are in
the league now and former NFL players. It's a reason
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why they're so great. It's a reason because they're not baby.
They're not they're not pampered when it comes to plan
the position, I mean, the sport of football, and at
times it's needed because you look, you look at some
of the mistakes.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
That that we make.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
To day, parents, you can't scold your kids, you can't
beat your kids the way you used to.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
It's frowned upon some of the mistakes and kids and
being out of control.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Back then, Yeah, it was a village. It was you
wasn't getting away with some of that stuff. Today, I'm
in the grocery store. I'm hearing kids cussing at day mama,
Like what you I don't want I don't fucking want
to do it? What when we go we going in
the store, your mama tell you getting out of the car,
(42:31):
we going to the store, don't ask me for shit.
Don't touch ish and don't touch nothing. And when you're
going to stow, you're gonna do two things. You're not
gonna touch nothing and you ain't gonna asking for nothing.
Now what you might do, You might sneak something, sneak
something the buggy and hope she paid for it when
she pull everything out.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
When you get to the resist them man.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Not mayor porter, mayor porter, go say take that ish
back where you got it from? It did it? Didn't go?
Hit you outside your head?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Say I told you not to put nothing in my
bugget Now my grandma reads here, that was a whole
different story. See like grandparents, Oh, Joe, we stayed with
Mary and Barney, so my other grandparents, my Dad, Mommy
and father. They didn't see us that much. So what
they're gonna do? Give us whatever we want. Soon as
we hit the door, Papa drop us off. Granted to
(43:23):
Willim and Grandma child and we call it Charlie had
go them boys. Oh Joe, I got my little bag.
Soon as I hit the dough granb my child. Can
we go to the grocery store?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
All right?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Uh uh?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
William granted to William load the cob hot dogs, hot
hot dog buns, honey buns, potato chill soda, cause all
she drank with tab soda. I don't know if anybody
remember old enough to remember tab in that pink can
issue with nasty. But boy, man, if she said, well,
we're gonna go to the store later. Here, here's a
(43:56):
dollar for you and spanking give me a dollar before
we hit that door. Store probably like fifty by fifty yards.
Hell yeah, but Mary Porter, we going on Saturday, because
really that's the only time we went shopping Saturday. Maybe
maybe like a Friday afternoon. Papa would take us.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
We go pick up.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Granted, she had to got paid. She gonna go get
cash your check and then we'll go. But we already know.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Why don't you put the blood please?
Speaker 1 (44:21):
But you're right, o Cho, like there was a I
don't know, and maybe maybe because it was always that way, Ocho,
But we didn't have the internet. Everything wasn't film. So
maybe kids were just as respectful the disrespectful then as
they are now. It's hard for me to believe that,
but I just know from what I saw. But them
(44:42):
parents ain't play that. The parents ain't play that.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Every once in a while you might see, you know,
the white people, they they were a little bit more Okay, okay, mom,
I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
But the black kids, blood please matter. They ain't play that.
Wherever Mary Porter said, whoever you sho show out.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
You get woe out, gonna get matters.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It didn't matter walking on the street.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
It didn't matter. You're gonna get it. You're gonna get
it right right now. Hold on, hold on, I'm thinking
I'm slick.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
You know when when it's a senior quiet time at
my grandma at church and she see me acting up
in the pew, she ain't got to do nothing.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Look at you, just just there and you already know that.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Man, Come on, man, the saying it takes a village.
I'm telling you, man, the days back then, man, in
the eighties, in the early nineties, and the people ain't playing. Nah,
people don't play. You' cana act up. Well, don't make
me call your grandma.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
My grandma would have been twill good o Joe, my
grandma being my grandma be in church. I started crying already. No,
she says, you're gonna cut my tail already, know, she.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
Said, oh Joe, hey, hey, listen, hold on. My grandma
used to come on my arm and pinch. She had
pinched my arm, twisted, twist, and then you know you're
so young.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Once you start.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Crying, you're crying out loud.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
She's writing that purse she give me either that Butterscot's
candy or peppermint to get me to get quiet.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Oh days, but see we getting the butterscots that's already
out the wrap. We got got everything or got a
penny stuck to it? Can we get some candy with
the wrapper? Did you give you that butterscotch? That that
pippermint that got lian on it. It got a little
cotton fuzzy itin' got a penny or dime stuff to it.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I was like, get here, hold on.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Hey, y'all, y'all had y'all had the candy with the
strawberry m Yes, you know what, listen boy.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
But but but to get back on this football face,
it's different, and I get out sometimes what I mean
that some some coaches that was abusive what they did.
Obviously you can't coach like that. But that's why, that's
why it would be hard for me to coach Ojo
because you know better. You've seen it. You just saw
last week Mitchell do it and it cost himself a
(47:15):
seventy six yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
And if they lost the game, I think too, didn't
it didn't they lose to the Rams.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
The Coast.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Didn't the coach lose that game with Mitchell bobbed it?
Speaker 5 (47:27):
I'm not sure I think they did.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, they lost to the Rams, Ojo, So you've seen
it happen, but yet you still doing it.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
I just like, like he like the one hundred meters,
anybody that breaks it open from now on, cross through
the line. You should pretend like you're running a hundred
because you're not. You're not gonna slow up before you
cross that line. The same thing in football, cross that line,
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