Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho debate the best NFL offenses entering the season + NFLPA is in shambles

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to JC Tretter resigning from the NFLPA, David Montgomery says this is Detroit Lion’s “Year of Reckoning” and more changes are happening to the NFLPA and much more!

04:15 CBS Sports’ NFL Triplets Rankings
20:00 David Montgomery/Lions tired of being close to winning SB
41:35 More changes coming to NFLPA
58:55 Arkansas WR Monte Harrison turning 30

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Triplet ranking. The Bengals Oh Joe are number one thanks
to Joe Burrow, running back, Chase Brown's and Jamar Chase.
The Philadelphia Eagles are number two. Jalen Hurts, sa Kwan Barkley,

(01:55):
AJ Brown, Baltimore Ravens are number three, Lamarjackson, Derrick Henry,
Zay Flowers, Detroit Lions are number four, Jared Goff, Jamir Gibbs, Munross,
Saint Brown, and rounding out the top five is the
Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, Isaiah Pacheco and Rashie Rice. Oh, okay,

(02:18):
we've got ten. Buffalo was number six, Josh Allen, James Cook,
Khalil Shakir Rams number seven, Matthew Stafford, Tyn Williams, Hooka Nakua,
the forty nine, Ers, Banks, the Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey,
George Kittle, number nine, Baker Mayfield, Bucke Irving, Bucky Irving,

(02:38):
Mike Evans rounding out the top ten, Dak Prescott, Jafonte
Williams and C d lamb Oho.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, any objections? You like it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, listen, as much as I love my Bengals,
there's no reason we should be number one. There's no
reason we should be number one. Number one should be
the Philadelphia Eagles. Hey, listen, Number one should be the
Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Listen. I love Chase Brown and obviously Joe does does.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's not even close, especially and obviously, and not to
be rude, not to be disrespectful, but where were the
Ravens again?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Ravens was three.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I would put the Ravens in front of it. I
would put the Ravens in front of in front of
the Bengals as well.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Hell, you could make a case Detroit should go in
front of the Bengals with Gibbs.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Who was the three who was the three for the
for the Lions.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Uh, Jered gob Gibbs and Brown.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
And listen and that's inter chageable over there you can
go Gibbs.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
So I mean, if anything, to be fair, I'd put
the Bengals maybe at four maybe five.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
O Joe. This is why I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
And I'm saying because I think the gap between the
running backs, yes, it's greater than the distance between Chase
and say I'm in Ross Saint Brown or Chase and
A j Brown or Chase and and and and and
and Zay Flowers. That's that's that's why I think Bengals

(04:08):
should be Look. Uh, and there's not a gap. There's
not that big of a gap. If there is a
gap between Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. Now if you
want to say, okay, Lamar jayalen Hurst doesn't throw the ball,
but that's not their offense.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Not their game.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
But Chase Chase, Chase Brown with the running back position.
And you're talking about Derrick Henry talking about Saint Kuon
Barker talking about Jamiir.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Gibbs, No man, Yeah, yeah, listen. As much as I
love my Bangals, I'm fair, I'm gonna be fair and
I'm gonna be gotta be I'm gonna be fair.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I'm gonna be realistic.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
But yes, Now, when you talk about Khalil Shakiir and
the receiving position, I think that, come on, now, Chase,
that's like Chase. That's like Brown with Kuan Derrick, Henry
Jamiir Gibbs. When you talk about Chase and Khalil Shakir. Now,
now we're onto something. McCaffrey's kind of hard to have

(05:04):
forty nine event any higher for the simple fact of
help of Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Ye, I like the Bucks made it. The Bucks should
have made it. Yeah, Baker played extremely since he's been
in Tampa, Baker Mayfield has played extremely well. Let's give
credit where credit is due. I have no problem that
he's found a home, he's found someone that believed in it,
and give him an opportunity and he gets to be
maker Baker Mayfield, the Baker Mayfield that we saw at Oklahoma.

(05:33):
We get to see this guy now. Yeah, the Cowboys.
I don't really have a problem. I don't have a
what was the running back before Javonte Williams got there?

Speaker 4 (05:41):
All, well, your guess as good as mine.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, oh, Rick o'dondell Okay, I look, okay, ten Okay,
Cowboys Dak, But Dak's coming out of an injury. Also,
Javontay Williams was Now he's another year removed from that
knee injury. He didn't play very well as last year
in Denver. We understand CD Y CD.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Is absolutely and we'll talk about that later on when
the season get around.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, but yeah, I agree with you, Ojo the Bengals.
It's just a mere fact that Chase the gap between
se Kuan Derrick Henry is a bigger gap between Jamar Chase,
aj Brown, Jamar Chase and Jason Z Flowers.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Absolutely, absolutely, And so with that being said, Yeah, and
I get it. Joe Burrow had a history. He led
the league and passing touchdowns. Last year he led the
league in passing yards. And I understand Chase Chase won
the Triple Crown. Yes, but how many yards did Chase
Chase Brown have Because one guy had two thousand, that's

(06:47):
a good question, and another.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Guy had nineteen twenty one.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
And Jamiir Gibbs, even after splitting carries, probably had thirteen
fourteen hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
That's crazy, imagine.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
So I think the gap with the running back gap,
there's a bigger gap between the running back Kwon Barkley,
Derreck Henry, Jamiir Gibbs, and Chase Brown. And there is
between Jamar Chase Zave Flowers, A. J. Brown and I'm
in Ross Saint Brown. That's just me now, Chad. I mean,

(07:17):
y'all can have that it. Y'all can chop it up.
Y'all cauld agree or disagree with Ojo. And I said,
but had I think the Eagles, I would I would
put the Eagles one.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I would put the Ravens two. Now three and three.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Now I'm having I'm really having to think about three.
And that's between Detroit and Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
O Yo, that's just, you know, honestly, because Detroit, and
this is no disrespect to Chase Brown, good good running back.
I'm putting Detroit at three simply because they had that
doubleheaded monster. You could just pick who you want to
go with whenever this purpose may be. They God, damn
Jamiir gibbson and Amn Ron golf is special yes, it's special.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
How many ares they Chase Brown had last year? Nine
ninety okay he was ten from a thousand. One guy
had two thousand, the other guy had nineteen twenty one. Yeah, no, yeah,

(08:27):
look the bill. I don't I don't really have a
problem with anybody else that's on this list because we're
looking down.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, we looked down. Who else could could?

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
The Texans? C J. Stroud, Joe Go.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
College College, That's that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Jacksonville Tank Bigsby, Brian Thomas Jr. Okay, you will leave
Trevor Lawrence. I okay, take him off. They got a triples,
but it doesn't it doesn't deserve to make the top ten.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay, what about Washington too? Oh? Jane Daniels, Terry McClory,
Brian Robinson, Brian Robinson. They was twelve.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
That's that's that's that's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
The Dolphins, you got a chan, you got Riek, you
got tour. Yeah m hm no, no, not in front
of the cowboys. You don't think, you don't think.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
And from the crowd in front of the cowboys, Yes.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's what. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I don't think they should be a top five. But
I'm just saying, okay, okay. If I thought you were
saying top five, I'm like, oh.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, no, no, no, no, no no no no, Commander's nord.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
The other team should be top five because although a
change expected, no commanders can't because Brian Robinson. Let me see,
would I take Brian Robinson over Chase Brown?

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Hell?

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, but I'm not taking over sat Quan. I'm not
taking over there. I'm not taking them over gil Helle Dolly.
I'm not taking it there and I'm not and I'm
not taking you know, I love Terry McLure, but I'm
not taking them over Za Flowers or A J. Or.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I'm ra I'm not.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa slow down, slow down?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Got you take him over A J.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Brown?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
You hold on?

Speaker 4 (10:17):
You say you're not taking Tim mclauran over Saint Brown.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
No, I don't think I take him over Saint Brown
because it's you know what else. Let me tell you why.
It's hard because one one play specifically outside, the other.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Is mainly inside.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
And so you look at Aman rah Arm and Rad
had what one hundred and probably fifteen catches.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
He's customarily always over one hundred catches because he's the slot.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
So what was it? What was his numbers?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm and raw, look you look up, Look up Terry
McClure's that's that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I know, I know, Uh t Max. I'm gonna call
him t Mac, call him Team Max. I can't call
him Scary Tarry right now. I ain't call them scary
Tarry until they pay him to the.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Okay, am Roth was second in catches right, fifteen yards,
third in touchdowns?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
What he had in what do you had in yards by?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
What? Twelve sixty three?

Speaker 4 (11:17):
How many catches?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Second in catches?

Speaker 4 (11:21):
FI? God, yes, oh boy them boy? Ain't theybe one
hundred and fifteen passes?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
No, that's another fifteen catcher.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
He probably have one hundred and forty five to one
hundred and fifty targets.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Hey man, I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm I wish, I wish I would was able to
do the math. If you take my best season, whatever
it might have been, and you did the numbers based
on yards for catch. I think my highest my highest
total season is catch is like ninety seven. If I
had one hundred and fifteen catches, I wonder what my
numbers would look like.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
I guess only a handful of guys gonna have that
many catchers. When crazy, you gotta look, so you got
to look at somebody like a moss. Yes, I mean
are you looking at I mean I'm talking about the
speed guy. A guy that's outside is catching the balls
like that. Man, They're gonna be sixteen seventeen hundred yards
old shoe because if you think about it, you averaging

(12:18):
fifteen yards of catch. You average in your best season,
when you had sixteen hundred yards or high fifteens, you
was averaging fifteen yards of catch. So just imagine one
hundred and ten, one hundred and fifteen, one hundred and
twenty thirty catches.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Imagine imagine this during that time, me, TJ. Hoosh, Chris Henry,
imagine if we had what they have implemented in everybody's
game playing to day, those little quick screens, those little
bubble screens, bubble those little quick passes where you know
they get it in your hands and let you do it.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
You man only handful of teams running that.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
We started adopting that late, like my last year or
two in Denver, but prior to that, the only team
that really did that was the Coats.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, what about the Rams? What about the Rams? That
greatest Ram Rams? The Rams kind of started it.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
With Isaac with they would do it.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
They would do it with Marshall fault, Marshall falk out
and no motion and throw it to him Holt call
some of those Isaac Bruce and then now everybody just
they'll just raise up and just throw the fall the guy,
the guy bubble, He'll.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Be in the slot and he'll bubble bad and pop
it to it.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
But it's it's a it's a different game now, Oh Joe,
we had our time. We we played we played how
we played it, because I can assure you I heard
Ozzy and Killing and all the guys like, man, I
sure we threw the ball like y'all threw it today.
I'm like, oh, you think we throw it? Hell, I
don't know if y'all seen Denver's offense and a whole
lot of.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Throwing going on.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, but uh look, Bengals one, Eagles two, Baltimore three,
Detroit four, Kansas City five. I would go Eagles one,
Baltimore two. I agree with you. I would go Detroit
three as a city for uh not Kansas City Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
And yeah, I was gonna say, I ain't putting the
Chaco then in front of Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Hell no, Yeah, that's that's my toss up. My toss
up is do I put Detroit three in Sincity four?
Or do I put Sincy three and leave Detroit at four?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
But two? And but the Eagles and and Baltimore should
be one? Two?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well hold on three. I'm doing Detroit at three and
I'm putting my Bengals four.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
And that's what I'm saying. That's what my toss up.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Okay, okay, okay, listen, that's not even talk. That's not
even a toss up for me. That's a no brainer. Wow,
that's a no brain on my n.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
But me no brainer is Eagles at one, Baltimore two.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
But you know, we talked about Washington, we talked about
Hell well, no, they ain't got no quarterback.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And I think I know Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Atlanta didn't really have the quarterback situation because I can't
put that kind of stock because I like Atlanta's running
back and I Drake.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
London, John is nice and Drake nice, I like, I like.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Michael Pittman Jr. I like Jonathan Taylor, but I'm uncertain
about their quarterback position.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Oh, Joe, Yeah, I'm not sure about Minnesota. I know
je Jetta, I know Jones, but who's the quarterback? JJ McCarthy,
I ain't seen him throwing out one NFL pass?

Speaker 4 (15:24):
We just we just saw with why why why am
I drawing a blank on the quarterback?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Uh? Oh you're talking about for Minnesota? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
From last year? Why am I drawing a blank? In Seattle?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Now? Uh? What Sam Donald? Sam Donald?

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
We saw Sam Donald in New York. Yeah, Okay, we
saw Sam Donald. He was somewhere else before he went
to Minnesota. He's with the Jets, he's with San Francisco Bingo.
We saw what he did with the Minnesota Vikings last year.
Historic run, historic season for him individually. Right, So which

(16:07):
you thing JJ McCarthy gonna come.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
In and do. But still there justin Jefferson is still there.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
He gonna be all right.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
He can he can sling it.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
You ain't really got to do much when you're when
you're a quarterback like that, even its gonna be your
first year playing, you're not a rookie, you're going into
your second year.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
But what's around you is so great. All you have
to do is just facilitate the ball and don't make
any mistakes.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
That's but see, that's the thing. You see how you
have to play. You talk about don't make any mistakes.
Sam Sam Donald had a historic season.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yes. Now the thing is.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Plus he has some season, he was seasoned. He understood
this offense because it's a very similar offense to what
they run in San Francisco. So it's gonna be interesting
to see. But I understand why they didn't put him
up there because I understand Jones, I understand Jetta.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
But I'm not sure about the quarterback position. I'm just
not so.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I mean, not the forty nine ers, the Chargers, what
about the Chargers, Lad McConkie, Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
They got Nijie Harris.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
But they do have Najie Harris. Now that's right, that's right.
I hope Quentin Johnson has a great year this season.
Quentin Quentin, Quentin Johnson.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
David Montgomery says Detroit Lions are tired of being close
to winning the Super Bowls, and he declared twenty twenty
five season year of reckoning after a franchise best fifteen
wins in the regular season in twenty twenty four, the
top seeded Lions fell short of their Super Bowl goal
with a lost at home against the Commanders in the playoffs.
Everybody's tired of being close. It's cool to be close

(17:46):
at first, but you don't want to get comfortable being
close all the time. That's not what you want to
be known for. Especially when you know you've got the guys,
you got the team. You want to finish it. So
this year for us, the year of the reckoning and
the year that we choose.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
That we need to finish.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Whoa whoa, whoa whoa.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Do me do me a small favorite. Let me make
sure I'm hearing this correctly. Just bring that back to me.
You don't read the whole thing. Just give me, give me,
give me, give me, give me bullet points.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
He said. He's tired that.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
He says, everybody basically in the Detroit organization right are
tired of being close. It's cool to be close at first,
because when you've had such a.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
A dorm, you've been dormant as far as winning.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
For a long time, right long time.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
You don't want to get comfortable so we don't want
to be a fifteen wins. Fourteen wins. Oh we were close.
We wanted the vision. Right, he's saying that's not good enough. Okay,
we got the guys, we got the makeup, we got
the coaches. Definitely do get the job done. This year
twenty twenty five will be the year of recording.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I like it. I like it a lot.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Even with you losing, losing Ben Johnson, losing Aaron Glenn,
you still have the same players. Players are still there now.
I'm not sure do we take scheme and one thing.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
One thing about it.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
When it comes to scheme, when you have certain coaches
and the scheme changes and the players are still the same,
I think they can still execute the same way. It's
still the same players regardless of what the scheme is.
They can still play that. God damn, Bryan Branch still
plays for the Detroit Lions. Jered Goff and Amon Rod
and Montgomery and Gibbs, they're all still there.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
Laporta, they all still there on that offense. So whoever's
called plays shouldn't have any type of.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Any backslide. From an offensive standpoint. The defense should be
good just as it was last year eight and Hunchets
are coming back from injury. Hopefully he can come back
with that motor and that intensity that he played wouldn't
press in the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
So I'm looking for them to do exactly what was said. Now.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I'm not sure what's gonna happen once we get to
the playoffs. That's a different ball game because you turn
the god damn ball over five times in the playoffs,
you going home regardless, you are you going home regardless,
no matter what you say.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I'm trying to think the team that have lost coordinators
and still keep it going. The only team I can
really think about is the Patriots, because it didn't matter
you lost.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Charlie Weiss, we won, still going.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
The only the only one you didn't win with was
Bill O'Brien. But you did get to the super Bowl
you lost. Remember what was that They ended up losing
to the Giants that year.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, that was my year.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, I think it's fine.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
But the key, the key component of what you just
said is the coordinator of changing. But the one centerpiece
that actually matters the king.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, that chess.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Table is twelve. As long as well was there, it
didn't matter who was calling the place.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's basically looking at Jared Goff's twelve though.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Okay, yeah, you know what, You're right, But the resurgence
and the winning in the winning that Detroit is having,
Jered golf is responsible for that though. Jered golf is
is is responsible for that, especially the team that they
put around.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
In So he might not be twelve, but he's good
enough to get it done.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Ninety four, the forty nine ers lost Mike shanahand to
us Ray Rose the Eagles, and they won the Super
Bowl at ninety five mm.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
But they had Steve, they had Jerry, they had Ricky Waters,
they had pride. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
You go back and look at that roster. You're like, okay,
I see why they won. Hey, listen, you young with
the MVP. Yeah, Jerry with Jerry, Ricky Waters. We saw
Ricky Waters having how many others Ricky Waters having the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
People don't realize how good Ricky Waters was.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
He was nice.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
He was nice because he was in he was in
our division in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
And I think I think the thing that hurt him
is that he uttered the phrase. When he went to
Philly they were losing, yeah, and they threw a ball
across across the middle, and he didn't he short armed
it right, And they asked him after the game.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
He's like, for who, for what?

Speaker 1 (22:15):
And you know they they, you know, the voters kind
of held that against it. But he could play. Oh yeah,
he could do it all. He could run the ball
between the tackles, he can get outside, he could damn
sure you could catch it, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Ricky Water was, he was nice. Ricky.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Ricky Waters reminds me of Eric Dickinson in a sense.
He ran upright, run, he ran up right. His knees
was real high.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, he was, he was. He was sweet with the name.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Ricky was sweet. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Ricky was the forty nine ers Seattle, Seattle, and he
ended up going to the Philly.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
I don't, I don't even I don't remember Ricky Waters
in the Philly. I remember Seattle in the forty nine ers, though,
clear as that you don't remember him Philly, No, yeah,
not at all. Remember I remember speaking of forty nine
remember right of Craigs, and we talked about running back
Roger Craig.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, Roger was a he from Nebraska. Yeah, he had
He was the first one that I mean, you saw
with that those hot knees, high knees.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yep, A very very what's the word.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
You was the first thousand thousand rushed four thousand and
four thousand, and then Marshall did it, I think in
ninety nine, and then see Mac did it.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
What's Max in Carolina?

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, Christian mccaffre, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, okay, but
you're you're right.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
You know, look, everybody says you have to take steps.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
You know what I'm saying, don't show there very few
times that the first time you get to the playoffs
and you go win it right, normally you have to
have some setbacks. You have to get you have to
have stars, you have to get hardened right and know
what it takes that when the rubber needs to meet
the role, you don't bubble up. So they're saying, hold

(23:58):
on this this is our time, right, you feel readically
you should have won it the year before you had them.
You had the ford and Is on the road, on
the road that was the one, Oh Joe, that you
let slip away. Those are the ones that hurt, you
know what, because they know guarantee, people like, oh yeah

(24:19):
they'll be back road. It's not you don't get you
don't get the start. You don't get to pick up
where you're left.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
You got to start all over, all over them. You
gotta start all over.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
You know what I do like about the Lion Zoe,
where I think they were always being contention. I think
they're always being contention every year simply because of the coach,
simply because.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Of Dan Campbell.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Now that's one thing, or there's one thing to have
the players that have the positions and the skill sets.
You got your quarterback in place, Dan Campbell, his willingness,
not being scared, willing to drop his cohonas, willing to
go forward in a certain situations where other coaches wouldn't.
Dan Campbell saying, you know what if analytics, f stats,

(24:59):
f all that, I'm gonna play game winning football and
go for it because I believe in my guys offensively,
I believe him on in Defensively. I really really like
those dudes in Detroit, Man that run through wall of
Dan Campbell.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yep, yep, but it's tough. I remember, and we went
to the AFC Championship Game in ninety one. YEA lost
ten to seven to Buffalo Man. We got to a
great start the next year, old Shoe. I mean, I
think at one point in time we might have been

(25:33):
seven and one. That was the ball day. We lost
seven straight games. John got hurt. We lost seven straight games. Hey,
who is the backup man? We were splitting quarterbacks Tommy
Maddox and Sean Moore.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Wait, Tommy Maddis was nice. Tommy played in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Right, he wasn't nice when he was with us in
Denver though, I'm sorry he wasn't nice when he Yeah,
we missed that part. He became nice after he started
having to sell insurance.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, they say, you know, you become motivated.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know, a broken heart, an empty wallet, you know,
and and an empty stomach. It's tremendous motivation when you're
in the NFL and all of a sudden, two years
later you're not in the NFL and you're selling insurance.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Big car, homeowners of life, life.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Man, if I get another opportunity to owe you, I'm
not gonna squader this one. And he made the most
of it. He ended up getting hurt, and then Ben
came in and the rest is as they say history.
But I think if I'm not mistaken. He did win
Comeback Player of the Year, and then I don't know, well,
coach Reives got this from coach Landry. Coach Landry used
to rotate quarterbacks Roger Stalback and Craig Morton. So I've

(26:54):
seen rotating running backs, rotate tight ends, rotate receivers. But
how to hell you one quarterback come in the play
and run it, then he go back out, they bring
another quarterback in.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I think it's I think I think we won. I
think we were like when John got hurt. Oh, y'all.
I think we were like seventy one seventy two.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
And lost that when he got back huh and lost
seven straight yep. Hey, what that quarterback position is is
some specially everything.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
It's something special.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
And then Dan ends up getting fired.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Wade comes in, We make the playoffs in ninety three, Yeah,
we missing ninety four, Wade gets fired, Dan comes in.
I think we go eight and eight, and then next
year we go thirteen and three. We lose the divisional
round to Jacksonville. We win the next two years. That's
that's still the most painful loss of all the losses.

(27:47):
And hey, I've taken my share of els, but that's
the most painful loss that I've that I've had in
a I still well, I know how we lost it.
How'd you lose?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Easy? Easy? Man?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
They were, oh, your dad just been a team. Dad
just been a franchise. It had just become a franchise
in ninety five.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, damn.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
And here they like and they they roll up in there,
and it's all on me. I played terrible that day. Yeah,
conversion dropped the third down.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Damn. I was some slow man. That's on me. That's
all me. Oh Joe, that's all me.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Man, Oh Joe, you know you, Oh Joe, you know
I had this shallow cross on you. I had better
move on you know. I stood back to line, you know.
Oh you know I do. I like h And then
I was like, I took off it, don't you and
John and John threw it. So in the process of
me catching it like this, moving it, it hit my
knee and flew up. Lord have mercy because I've been

(28:54):
hit the corner. I've been hit that cone on it
and be gone.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, damn.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Hey, Hey, that's one of the worst. That's one of
the worst feelings man, to drop a ball in the
middle of the game and hit and the whole crowd say, oh.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Oh, because I had just came off. Oh, I just
came off one of the great seasons. You know, eighty catches,
over one thousand yards, double digit touchdowns. Mike sat me
out the last game and say, look, I want you
to get healthy.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I was like, man, oh, y'all were feeling so good too.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I just like, oh, I had caught a touchdown earlier.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh choe, So I was feeling I was feeling good.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
And you know how there, man, you drop a pass
and then all of a sudden you getting your own down. Yeah,
and you're like, way, I dropped that one, man, But
that one, that one that would hurt because then you know,
we went on the street. We won, like what, we
went seventh straight, and then I went to Baltimore. We
won four straight and then we won the next game.

(29:56):
Well we beat Miami the next year. But I just
go to show you, oh your bad. Well I'm I'm
in Baltimore in the first year. You know, we you know,
we know we had the historically great defense in two thousand.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
It was alright, it was all right.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
You look at the chef, Hey, they have one hundred
and sixty five points. It's sixteen games, what sixty five?
And when you tack on the other four playoff games,
they still they gave up. They still didn't give up
more than one hundred and ninety points. In twenty games.
They gave up less than one hundred and ninety points.

(30:35):
You know, we were cool, but oh yo. The next year, Yeah,
we make the playoffs. So we go down to Miami.
We go down there early, guys at the beach, they
got jet skis.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm like, and Brian and Brian don't say nothing, o yoe.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Hold on, it's a playoff games. It's a playoff game, irregular, Yes, hold.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
On them boy down at mind me on jet skis
before a playoff game?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yes, I said, now, mind you. We ain't got no curve,
we ain't got no room.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Check.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I mean, Brian ain't really have nothing. Brian, it's like,
i'ma treat you like me. And I said, no, I
don't treat them like me. Nah, we didn't. We didn't
treat them like. We didn't treat them like. We didn't
make sure we locked the doors over there. Hey, I said,
no curfew, Oh Joe. We went to the Super Bowl
to have curfew or room check.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Y'all won the game though, Yeah, oh Joe, I.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Mean Brian must have done something I didn't know, So
there ain't no way in hell, Mike shanahead we had
we had what was it eleven? Nah, we first got that.
We first got there because we got that on Sunday.
We used to get down on Sunday, o Joe. So
it's like one o'clock and then Monday night you got twelve,
and then Tuesday night because Tuesday, like you going in

(32:00):
to practice starting Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I think it was eleven, but yeah, yeah it was.
It was.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
It was totally two different type situations. Yeah, Denver and Baltimore.
But hey, hey they did what they need to. Hey
we won the game.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
So yeah that's all that. That's all that.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
But it just goes, it just goes.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
It just goes to show you, like I knew with
the Giants that if we didn't turn the ball over,
they couldn't move the ball. The only way they the
only way they were gonna beat us if they got
a scooping score or pick six. As far as like
moving the ball, I'm talking about like handing it off.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Throwing it.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
It ain't happen.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Go back, pull up that stat line from that Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Oh show I want I'm I'm gonna show you the
stat line of what what they did when they had
the ball.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
I mean, it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
You won't ever see a stat I don't know if
you will ever see a stat line like this in
the super Bowl. It was a two thousand the super Bowl. Yeah,
the Super Bowl thirty five.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
It was that bad.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Only think they had two hunder y'alls. The tour offense.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Hey, that defense man was something serious.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Oh man, Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
I don't think people understand there was there was no weakness.
If there was a weakness, y'all did one hell of
a job hiding it.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah. Well, the thing was that you couldn't run, so
they made you one dimensional very early.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
And because they didn't have to blitz, so they didn't
have to sacrifice the back end.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
So now you got McQuary, you cook, You took Rob
Burnett and kicked them down inside. You put Peter bowl
Were on one side, you put Mike mcquarry on the
other side, and then you rotated Keith Washington.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
You had Jelly Roll, you had I mean, we had a.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Y'all were loaded.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Hold on, no I needed like the play by play?

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Who was who was the dB? Who was the dv's there?
Who was one?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
We had a Christ McCallister and Dwayne Stars okay, and
then Bailey was our slot by and Corn Harrison was
our slot He was a nickel.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, bouche, what ass at mane?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
In a minute?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Oh joe, yo, they had one hundred and seventy eight
yards of told last fence with four picks. Jesus, okay,
oh joe, this is the Giants drives. Punt punt okay,
five yards, punt, one yard, punt eighteen yards, punt six yards,

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punt two yards, punt one yards, punt, interception, punt interception, interception,
punt interception, kick return, touchdown, punt, punt, fumble, punt in
the game, dude, eleven punts.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Hey, if you were if you were to tell somebody,
if you were to tell somebody, that's that line, right,
and then tell them the teams that were playing, they
wouldn't even think that was the NFL game. They had
think it was some some Pop Warner or some little
league stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
That was man, that's ridiculous, the NFL game.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Oh, Joe.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
The longest drive they had was eight was nine plays,
three plays, three plays, five plays, three plays, three plays,
two plays, nine plays, three plays, five plays, three plays,
one play, three plays, three plays, no play, three plays,
seven plays.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, so may think enough listen and that that two
thousand raven defense man boy with something special. Boy, I
I ain't gonna lie. I'm not even front boy. It
was something special, Oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think they had in the first twelve possessions, they
got two first downs.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Who was the question? Take that back? They got first
down carry?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Who was court carry?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Collin carry?

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Collin Hey, But that's funny, every boy.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
They got one first down, my bat. I think they
got one first down in the first twelve in the
first one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
twelve in the first twelve possessions, hold on no.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
One.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
They might have got something by penalty. That's because if
you think of oh Joe, they only got a me mmmm,
they wouldn't. It was it was tough sleding. They got
five yards, one yards, eighteen yards, six yards, two yards,

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one yard, ten yards. They had nine plays fifty yards.
They had three plays forty three yards. Then they have
five plays six yards, three plays eight yard, one play
no yards, it was picked off. Then they had three
plays no yards, three plays minus four yards, fumble, three
plays four yards, seven plays twenty two yards.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
They don't even sound. It don't even sound.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Now, the defense themselves didn't get scored on them. They
ran a kickback, they didn't score.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
The defense.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
That defense that postseason gave up one touchdown in four
games and four games and chat out y'all not listening.
In four playoff games, that defense gave up one touchdown.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
That's unheard of.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
They gave up three points to the Broncos, they gave
up ten points to Tennessee, three points to the Raiders.
The defense gave up no points zero. So in four
playoff games, the defense actually gave up sixteen points.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
You know, you know, we'll never see a defense like
that again.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
You never see that again, never see.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
A defense like that again.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Hey, where you can't run, where you can't run the
ball at all.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
No, oh joe.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
In sixteen games, they didn't give up a thousand yards rushing.
So if you combine everybody that ran the football that
year in sixteen games, it didn't come up to a
thousand yards.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
That's crazy. That's that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh, I'm sorry, jianz Oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
More changes are coming to the leadership of the NFL
Players Association right here. Chief Strategist Officer J. C. Tretder
has resigned from his post amid scrutiny over hiring former
NFLPA executive director Lloyd Howell excuse me who resigned On
July eighteenth. P Matt pac McAfee didn't mince words about

(39:22):
the NFLPA leadership following Strip club allegations. The NFLPA has
been led by people who could much rather be known
than the heads of the NFLPA than actual work and
act like they are heads of the NFLPA. These dudes
think their celebrities. These dudes think they're powerful. These dudes

(39:42):
how all of their friends and overpaid them with players' money.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Then these dudes flex while using.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
And abusing all the connections that the players and the
league have worked their assets off their entire lives for,
and act like sanctnemonious heroes through it all. O Jo
touched on this a little bit, but again we did
earlier this all happened. Pablo Torri is Pablo still working

(40:09):
with ESPN. He has his own thing. And he's a lawyer.
He's a Harvey grad very smart. I've never met the guy,
but just watching him listening to him talk, he's a.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Very smart guy, very shrewd. And he went digging and.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
He found some information that about a judge that said, yeah,
they kind of they the owners.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
And and there.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Was writing between Jeff Passion and I think Roger Goodell.
There was a memo say we gotta get these we
got to get this guaranteed money down because it's getting
out rags. Blah blah blah. There was a smoking gun.
Now the NFL do a better job than gone underground.
With that being said, lawyer Lloyd Howell was in trouble.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Now.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I don't know how you get a job at the
NFL PA head when you work with a company and
that a private equity firm that did your job is
to go try to find investors to buy NFL teams.
And if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, but
I think like if you're at the head of the inn,

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if you're like a players association, so like you the president,
and that's what Trader was like.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
After a year or two you lead the game, you're
gone you're done. You got nothing else to do with it.
But somehow he got hired as a strategist.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
So once all this stuff started coming out, it was
just a matter of time.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Everybody got you gotta you.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Know, you got blow it up.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah, listen, you have you you have no choice but
to blow it up, and you might as well break
it home where it belongs.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Right, you're right here to me.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
They they messed this thing up when they didn't hire
Troy because Troy.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Sat rap next to uh, what's the guy? No?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Hell no, hed they should never hide him. Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
But see it.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Shifted because Gene and Paul Taglibu had a great working relationship.
It was a partnership. Then Paul stepped down. It's funny
here and I came in the year together. We left
together because up until that point, Pete Roselle was the
was the was the commissioner, and then Commissioner Tagnible came in,

(42:29):
and then I left, and then Roger Dedell come in,
and now there's no longer a partnership. The partnership is
between the owners and the networks. Those are the partnerships.
And I don't think the owners wanted a partnership anymore.

(42:49):
They didn't, And the first chance they got, what did
they do? They locked y'all glass out and they say,
we want a bigger piece of the pie back.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Hey, but listen, this is what we got to do.
I'm telling you need somebody that gonna play hardball with them.
You need somebody gonna go in there that's gonna be
for the players, that's going to be for the players,
and gonna get what's right. Because as a former player,
you normally you normalna do us justice.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Mm hmm, you know I am. I'm gonna tell you
like it is.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say some of the things
that people are thinking that they're not.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Gonna say in public. Yeah, we want lifetime benefits. Huh.
We want to get rid of the franchise tag.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Even though you may see it as as as a
way to by yourself time, it also is a way
that you is disrespectful to players because you're basically saying
we don't really value you.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
You don't both time.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Come on, man, you first of all, oh Joe, Normally,
if somebody's on that franchise tag, somebody gets to the
franchise tag, they've already played four or five years. So
they've already they've already brought you time. You should know
if you don't know what you have after four or
five years, So you mean to tell me you need
another year?

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Come on now?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
No, So what you're doing, you're basically betting again. You're
betting that something's bad. It's gonna happen. I'm gonna have
a bad year, I'm gonna have an injury before I
have to give you.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
A long term deal.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
That is exactly what That's what you're doing. That's what
they bet That's what they betting on. That's what they
betting on. That's what that franchise that they try to
make it seem like it's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
We gona pay well what they what they told us.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
It was kind of like the bird exemption where you
could sign your players, you know what I'm saying, because
you wanted to keep You wanted to keep a John
Lware with the Broncos, you wanted to keep a damn
Marino with the such you know, with the the Dolphin.
You wanted to keep your top notch players. Smith, your
Bruce Smith. You wanted to keep those guys there. But
they abused it. And now that like, well, nah, we

(44:49):
just what we're gonna do. We're gonna slap you with
the tag or they would threaten you with the tag
mm hm. And so the problem is, Ojo, is that
although look, I know you know you semi serious and
send my joking. The problem that anybody has that's going
to have when they come in and take over the
NFL p A. It's not like MLB, it's not like

(45:12):
basketball because when Marvin Miller, who is the head of baseball, yes,
when they say we're gonna shut it down, they shut
it down. When when When When when the NBA p A,
when they say we're gonna shut it down, they shut
it down.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
I'm glad, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you so.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
And the problem and so look, everybody, everybody wasn't making
wasn't gonna make Lebron's money or Steph Courage money in
order for you to get the money up right, you
got what they did to them, oh Joe, They sold
them a bill of goods. They say, hey, man, y'all
make it, y'all work hard. And then here's a rookie

(45:52):
that's never thrown a pass. Remember Sam Brafford, was the
highest paid player.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
In the NFL.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Got that twenty Yeah, no, he got fifty Oh we
got fifty million.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Oh yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, guaranteed he was.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
He was the highest paid player and never play the down.
But let me tell you what the owners did. The
owner said, we want to play players that have been established.
We want to play the veteran players that money and
make those guys just coming into the league, make them
earn it. And the playoffs. Yeah yeah, we're gonna get
that money. And guess what they do. Soon as you
get to a certain day, they cut you. Now they

(46:26):
got the rookie on the Wells Wade scale, and you
don't get to get to the back end to get
the bag.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
You see how they did it. You see how they
did it. They got us, they got you.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
So now we got the rookies on capped here and
on the back end the vast thinking, man, hey I'm
gonna play blah blah blah, nah don't so now basically
you gotta live here.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, that's why they listen.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
That's why that first three years it is so important.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Maximizes as much as you can in that first three years,
and what's guaranteed what am I really getting outside of
the assigning bonus? What am I really touching them? First
three years? Because after that, after that, that first three years,
unless unless you that, unless you that boy.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Man, listen here man.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Already plotting this.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Absolutely listen. It's a business. I think that's I think
that's one of the one of the things players they want.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
They tell No, it's a business for them, That's what
I was trying to say.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
But see, but the ownership has convinced the fans that
if you don't take what they give you your selfish
and you're not about winning. Bro y'all ain't one in
one hundred years. So now all of a sudden, because
I won't take the peanuts that you're offering. Now, I
know I don't care about winning the first thing they throw,
because I've heard some people say, I know, talking to
some agents and people, the.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
First name they throw, Guess who they throw up. Guess
who they throw up for? You? You one guess Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Yeah, but you have to understand Tom Brady was in
the special situation.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Everybody else in the NFL is not married or dating
someone that makes more money than the actual player himself.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
He was a year tom Brady kills less money. Why
you can't be like tom Brady. Tom took less money
in order to win.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
And you know what, I'll tell them.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
And when it came right down to it, they did
tom Brady like they did everybody else.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Come on, now, come on, it's Sunday. Go ahead and
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
And I'm not at the end of the day, as
loyal as tom Brady was, as long as he had
played up under what he should have rightfully gotten, they
still showed him the door. So at the end of
the day, no matter what I do. So you know what,
I know, at the end of the day, you're looking
to get rid of me. But I'm tax your pockets,

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you said. While I'm here, I'm not the GM. My
job is to play. Now, if you want me to
help you construct your salary cap, that's gonna cost you extra.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
But in the meantime, since that's not my job.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
My job is to tackle. My job is to catch,
and my job is to run block whatever the case
may be. On the football field. My job is not
to help you manage the salary.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Captain.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
That's your job. And you tell me all the time
you the billionaire. You should be able to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Absolutely, absolutely. But it's funny. I don't think fans will
be able to understand it from a player's perspective, because
they will always side with their team and their loyalty
and the owners saying what they and obviously the media
obviously is in most of the time, the meetia is
gonna be gravitated towards the owner side as well, making
the players look like they are selfish in certain circumstances.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
It's it's unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
But again, I mean, just hypothetically speaking, I'm just throwing
it out there, just I mean, in a way I'm serious.
In a way I'm actually joking. But I would love
to be one to be in that in those rooms,
in those rooms, because you're not gonna pull the wool
over my eyes. You're not gonna And I'm one of
the ones, one of the few who are gonna say
the things that no one else will say.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I think the thing is look to have prosperity for
another four or five years. Whoever comes in, guys, please
please start saving your money. No more homes, no tell
tell the wife, no more extravagant purchases. We gotta put

(50:23):
a war chest. So that for because they're gonna lock
us out. Let me tell you why they're gonna lock
the coutin. Let me tell you what they did last
time on Joe. They locked us out. They locked y'all out.
I was done, Tell I was done. They locked you out.
And once they got ten more years they had three
years left with the UH with the Tea broadcasting, they

(50:46):
went right back to the broadcasting and say, we got
ten years of the labor piece, we water redo the deal.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
And they did it.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Now, I'm not telling you what somebody told you. I'm
telling you what I know. So what they're gonna do,
they're gonna lock you out. They're gonna lock you out. Now,
let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Who wants Who wants.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
A programming and they playing a premium because we see
what Netflix play Jake Paul every time he gives on
that network, and we see what Amazon's doing. So don't
be surprised in the next round. You watching it on Amazon,
you watching it on Netflix. I'm talking about the Sunday stuff.
Because they got more money than NBC, they got more
money than Fox, they got more money than CBS. Now,

(51:26):
I ain't telling what somebody telling you they got more money.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Than ESPN AM.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
So Le'm gonna tell you what they're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
They're gonna lock you out because he said when he
took the job, he said, in twenty years, they want
to be doing twenty five billion in revenue per year.
I think they're about nineteen twenty. That's why you see
they done added another game, won't jo. Not only did
they guess what, they added another playoffs? Boy too, you
say the game, everybody, that money gotta come in. That

(51:53):
money gotta come from somewhere. Now, come on, now, got
to come from We added a playoff game, guess. So
that's what we did. We added another game. That's seventeen.
So we got an extra team with a playoffs and
we got an extra game. Now, what what does commission
keep throwing out there?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Eighteen eighteen eighteen?

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Oh, he gonna tease it. He gonna tease it every time.
But what's the one thing everybody talk about? They keep
throwing flags all over the place? Player safety player s
o Joe.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I ain't listening to nothing you say, because all I
see is the ratings going up every game.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Every year.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
The ratings keep going up, so fans keep talking about
Oh this is flag football, y'all keep watching. I don't
know if y'all notice, did you see how many people
watched the Super Bowl last year? Did you see how
many people watch the playoff games last year? So why
am I listening to you?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, you're not.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
They were always watching no matter what anybody says.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Now you see, Joe, we don't get invited nowhere. O Yo,
they can't. But I gotta get I gotta tell the
people's truth.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, I mean, listen, listen as I boys. I've always been,
always been the villain. I always been the bad one.
I'm always been the one not to follow the rules.
So I'm I'm used to it now.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Y'all know why I've never been invited to a rookie
symposium And oh, Jo, Now we don't get the perks
of being able to go to certain places and do
certain things. But it's just all good. But at the
end of the day, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm gonna tell you
what I know because I've talked to people that was
in that room that was negotiating.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, So I if whoever the next head of the
Players Association.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Please tell these guys to start saving them money.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I'm gonna tell the war chest together, guys, in order
for us to get we won't guaranteed money and we
won't lifetime health benefits. We want to do away with
that franchise tag the only way because they know how
much money you got.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
They know.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Everything that happened in Dallas. There's nothing that Jerry Jones
doesn't know about. There's nothing that happens in Miami that
Stephen Ross doesn't know about. There's nothing in an NFL
town that those owners doesn't know about.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
It's so funny. Literally know everything, literally know everything. I'm
not I'm not I'm not sure what. I'm not sure service.
I don't know what service the NFL uses. I'm not
sure what service uh the owners use. But being able
to tell me what I know, being able to tell

(54:46):
me I'm riding four wheelers in the off season with
my homeboys down Twelfth Avenue.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
How do you know that? You all the way in Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
How you know that?

Speaker 4 (54:56):
How you call my grandma?

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Tell my grandma a tell chat of stealth and foe
Willis during the off season. Please tell him start riding
up and down.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Wait a minute. Huh, man, I'm a witness to it.
They know everything.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
They know. Why you not? Why are you not in
the bed sleep?

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Hey? What's up?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (55:25):
I don't know which one that is.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Hey, Teddy Bear, you got to bring both them boys on,
and you got to bring both them on.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Uh. And I was like, man, and and and the
thing is, don't you like I said, they know?

Speaker 1 (55:39):
They know how much you paid, how much your home
loan is, They know how many kids you got, how
many going to private school?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
If you got a divorce, they know what you paid.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Yeah, he speaking of I don't know if speaking of divorce.
Are we talking about the Coldplay concert thing tonight?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
No, damn.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
I'm trying to throw I'm trying to throw my head in,
trying to throw my over there. Huh what what's the opening?
What you talking about?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I want to be the CEO of Astronomer. Yeah, it is,
it's an opening. What you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
About?

Speaker 4 (56:14):
This?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
You gonna really love? You really love this?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
What Arkansas Southo world wide receiver Monte Harrison's turning thirty
years old this season.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Thirty.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Harrison played pro baseball for the past ten years. One
of the main pieces in Christian Yelich's trade to Milwaukee
trade the Arkansas wide receiver Monte Harrison. Harrison will be
turning the Big three. Oh on August tenth, o Jo. Yeah,
he's only a sophomore. Hey, listen, that means he can

(56:49):
conceivably be playing college football until he's thirty two.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
That will be the same age as Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Hey, that's in a sense now that you he said
he played baseball first for ten years, it's understandable the
fact that he still has eligibility and he's.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Trying to live out that dream. Uh. I mean, I doubt,
I doubt he gets drafted to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
But being able to go back and get your degree
and finish off what you love or second sport that
you do love after already playing in the MLB, I mean,
it's a dope thing. I don't know how good he
is as a receiver, but even being able to do
it with them young bulls out there at thirty, I'm
sure he's not that much better than everybody else where.
It's like, oh my goodness, why is he here? But

(57:34):
just the fact that he is thirty in college. But
I mean, it's kind of I understand it because you
played ten years in the Major League Baseball, so listen,
you have eligibility left, so why not.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Oh Joe, I mean, if he goes to the NFL,
they can't get no but a six months contract.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Six months yeah, his.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
First in that game before five year deal. Oh Joe,
he be thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Well you know, you know what they'll do. They'll let
him play one or two years and they'll find next use.
They're fine, an excuse, just to let him, just to
let him make history, let.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Him make his I want to see if I want
to see if he's like really good so he can
go to the NFL. They're like, hey, well you're graduating class.
My graduating class graduated seven years ago.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Listen, if he let me go to the NFL, if
he no, I mean no disrespecting him in any way,
but if you was like that, if you was like
that despite being thirty, and you should have an advantage
over over the young players that that are that are
in cars right now, but just more mature.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
I've seen no highlights, no, no, nothing indicating that you know,
he's the next coming of Jamar Chase or Ryan Williams
in Alabama or Jeremiah Smith in Ohio.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Say he's nothing. I'm just saying, thirty would be your
prime in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Oh, Joe, he's sophomore in college.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
If a sophomore in college.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Right, But I'm trying to give it a example of
where his skill his skill level, he's.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Thirty was like that?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
He would be Kyler Murray. You see Kyler Murray. Yeah,
Kyler Murray. Yeah, with the eighth pick in the draft. Hey,
in between time, he said, you know what I can make?
Just I can make just as much money, if not
more money in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
And it's quicker.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah, Hey, I mean you know you tipped your cat.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
The guy would look the guy had eligibility. Yeah, tried baseball,
that work, work didn't work out. Hell do we tell
people ten years in the minds? Joe?

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Okay, okay, that listen.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
It is very very difficult to make it very difficult.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
You gotta be, you gotta be.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
The hardest thing to do is to hit a baseball.
But who you telling?

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Who you're telling? Because shoot, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Bro, you hit three hundred, You hit three hundred, they
pay you five six hundred million. That that thinking Hey,
if you successful thirty percent of the time, name a
job you can be successful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
That tells you how hard that job is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I imagine if you completed thirty percent of your passes,
you caught thirty percent of the balls they threw to you,
or you held on to the ball thirty percent of
the time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yeah to you, that's that's crazy. When I think about
my second percentage when I was in high school. You know,
I bad at two eighty two my senior year in
high school.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
The fact that I pass up the opportunity to go
to the Martins in ninety seven after I graduated, that
that was dumb.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
That was dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Damn you played it right, spot cause you didn't play baseball.
You didn't play baseball as a kidd.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Yeah, unk, I was a five tool uncle. I played
a Liberty City Optimist cosein.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
The two was a hole, a garden rake, a shovel. Hey, listen, Bushy, listen,
I'm not talking. I'm not trying to talk trash and
not trying to be funny. But we we hype up
shake old tany.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
I was pitching, Listen, I was pitching in home runs
at Liberty City optimists. I would sharehold Tony before share
hold tany. It just wasn't it weren't no cameras back then.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
No, he's the first guy there, really loud because if
you go back in the thirty some of those pictures
and you watch him in and you watch them in college,
they could actually hit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Oh yeah, but he was the first one is like, well, look,
I'm not gonna come to your team.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
And it's kind of like Travis like Travis like Travis Hunter, like, bro,
if y'all not gonna live, if I'm not going to
your college, if you're just gonna make me play one
side of the ball. Yeah, So there, go back in
thirty some of those pictures and you'll see they were
actually three fifty four hundred hitters in college.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
God damn.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah they were, uh they were
they were really good. But man, oh cho to hit
that baseball? Man, you got to be doing that thing. Man,
you got to be playing five six years old because
you got you can't be afraid of it. You got
to see a that curve ball, that slider, that change up,

(01:02:13):
any anything, that cut fanst.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Ball, that four scene two scene.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I don't know, I don't know if you went in
the batting cage. Forget a batting cage. You've been in
the batting cage and had that ball come at you
and you got to sit there. You got to sit
there in that you got to sit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
There in the box. And the players, the players been
they so used to it. They just be nice and cool.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
You know how to tie it up? Ninety five miles
an hour? What man?

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
What the average human?

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
The average human?

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
You put them in the battles box and as soon as.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
The ball fly by, I can't you swing? You swing
that ball already to catch. That's what happened on Joe
when you swing the ball didn't catch up yet.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
It's so funny on TV. The players make it look
so easy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
And that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
That's any sport at the highest level, those that do it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I don't think they get enough respect from those that
are watching from at home that talk trash about them
on the couch all you struck out.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Again, not understanding you know how difficult it is to
do what they.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Do at that level. I mean, yeah, like a boxer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, you watch you watch Florida, you watch some of
these defensive fighting they they hey, they know they'll throw
a punch and they already know this's coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Yep, they already know. Hey, that god damn clinic, That
god damn clinic.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Shakur Stevenson just put on the other night where everybody
always talked trash about his fights.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
You're always running, You're always running. He comes in and
does the complete opposite of what everybody says he did
and put on a defensive clinic. Hell Is defense was
his offensive entire fight. It was beautiful. Hey, you saw
you saw Max. You saw our guy Max Holloway last night.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I saw a little bit of it. Oh you missed it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I'm asleep, man, I was hey, my boy, my boy
was the tired. I was messing with him. His car face,
Oh face was out that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
He hit me up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
I want to eight lounges to smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
He had a show, he had a show last back. Okay,
so he hit me up this morning. He wanted to
go get something to eat. Yeah, he said, so what
you got?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Said? What you gotta taste for?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Chris Cafe?

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Please tell you with man, that line too long. I
ain't waiting to no line. And they be wanting you
to stand outside and talking about wait till your order.
I said, oh, hell now, but anyway, he called.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
He called me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I said, what you got to taste for? He said, Man,
I got some seafood I want you know, I said, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Allergic the shell fish. You know what? This food? Told me?
What waiting a car? I said?

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Man, hell Na face funny man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Man, I said, face, Man, get off my phone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
But uh, I say, I'll see you because I you know,
I told him. I said he wanted to do something
later this afternoon. I said when I got nightcap. He said, well,
I catch you next time. I said, well, I'll tell
you what when I come to Houston show your boy around.
He says, no, I ain't got nothing for you. I
don't want you nowhere near Houston.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
He man me and face we said it a cigar baar.
Man called, Remember what I did? I did the show man.
I did the show from inside the cigar board.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Man, we but we sat outside all day all day.
Hey that was that was a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, this food talking about? Hey, what's wait in the car?

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Man? Hold on