Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Cincinnati Bengals vs the Washington Commanders preseason game, the Cleveland Browns have named their week 1 starter, and Joey Badass joins the show and much more!
02:30 - Browns name Flacco starter
07:38 - Cam Ward gets into scuffle at camp
11:25 - Jimmy Johnson prevented Dynasty Cowboys from eating after loss
18:36 - Coach Prime sets punishment for hitting QB
26:02 - Joey Bada$$ joins the show
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in the chat Okay, what was we suspected all along?
Kevin Stefanski said he was going to name a starter
today and he did, and just like Ocho and I
(02:38):
surmise it's Joe Flacco. The forty old were making his
first Week one start since twenty twenty two when he's
with the Jets TBD. On the rest of the depth chart,
Kenny Pickett has not played since he tweaked that hamstring.
Dylan Gabriel got the start on Saturday. Shador did not
play because of a knee oblique injury. He started the
(02:58):
first regularly Precs and Tyler Snoop Huntley is also on
the list. Adam Shefter said this morning, I expect the
Cleveland Browns to carry four quarterbacks on the fifty three
man roster. Wow, that's that doesn't normally happen. It's just
I think they're afraid that if they let one of
these guys go, somebody's gonna snatch them up. You'd probably
(03:21):
like to probably you know, cut them and then have
them come back on the practice squad, but they.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Don't feel they can do that.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
They feel that if they were to release Gabriel, excuse me,
release Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders, somebody would sign them
to their active roster.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And you don't want to run that risk.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Guy that's been in your program for the better part
of six months little up April, since April, since the draft,
So you don't want to run that risk.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Excuse me, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But I don't think any of us are surprised that
Joe Flacco got named the starter.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
He didn't play, but Stefanski did.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The head coach, Kevin Stefanski did say they're gonna treat
this as a dress rehearsal of what they might do
in Week one. So Joe Flacco is going to get
the start for the final preseason game and we'll see
how that works out.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But I don't think we're surprised.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't think any of your surprised that Joe Flacco
was named the starter.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You look at Kenny Pickett. He has not been able
to do.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Anything any team drills since he tweaked that champ string
early early in training camp. Obviously, Dylan Gabriel was nick
the first, you know, for about ten eleven days.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Then he came back.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Shadure played really well the first game, then he got
an oblique injury. He was out, and then Dylan Gabriel
took it over, and then he played played fairly well.
I mean he had a pick, but I don't think
either God did anything since I mean, look, you are
where you are. I mean, some people say, well, Dylan
Gabriel has played better. I haven't heard anybody say that,
(04:51):
but some people like Dylan Gabriel and think what he
brings to the table. I was listening to somebody to
day say Dylan Gabriel, though has a stronger arm, throws
were better anticipation. I don't know if I necessarily agree
with that or believe that it's gonna be a very
tough decision, but in order for them to carry for quarterbacks,
that means they're not really sure and they don't want
(05:14):
to make the mistake. Nobody wants to make the mistake
and get up, get off one of these quarterbacks, have
him go somewhere else and play really, really well when
we had him in our fold. So that's what I
deduce from that. Cleveland put themselves in a buying by,
you know, signing Joe Flacco to a one year I
think they traded for Kenny Pickett and then selecting two
quarterbacks one and the third one in the fifth And
(05:36):
you find yourself in a situation because none of these
quarterbacks really have separated themselves from the rest of the guys.
Pickett didn't really get a chance to separate himself because
he's been injured for the better part of training camp.
And so I don't know does he start I don't
think he started on pup. How he progressing?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Ash?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Do we know anything about how he's progressing resting to
see I don't think you put him on pup. Because
you put him on pupp he's gonna put him down
for six weeks. I don't think it's gonna take that
much length of time. He'd be out almost three months
with a hamstring injury.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Wow, So we're coming up on a month.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Funny that you say that, because Justin Jefferson just returned
to practice and he was out for twenty five days.
We're gonna talk about that in a little bit. But
these hamstrings are very, very tricky. You want to air
on the side of caution. The last thing you want
to do is miss that amount of time, come back
and tweak it again, because you're probably gonna double the
amount of time that you're gonna miss moving forward. So,
Cleveland Brown's name Joe Flacco as their starting quarterback. They
(06:40):
did not give a depth chart after Joe Flacco. Normally
it was Kenny Pickett two, Dylan gabral three, and Shudur
Sanders four. But I guess that's in the In the
next couple of days, we'll find out. We'll see how
healthy Shudur is is. That oblique healed well enough for
him to get some action in game in the final
preseason game.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But Joe Flacco name started for the Cleveland Browns to
start the twenty twenty five season. Titans quarterback cam Ward
got into a scuffle with DT Jeffrey Simmons and camp.
Cam Ward and defensive Linean Jeffery Simmons got into a
scuffle on Monday. War threw a touchdown pass to Calvin
Ridley towards the end of practice and went over to celebrate.
The rookie quarterback stop gave Simmons a shove before doing
(07:25):
the trademark Zombie Land celebration in front of him. Simmons
reacted with a two hand shove towards face mask. The
offensive lineman came running to help towards defense. I think
we kind of had a conversation. We kind of had
a conversation about this a couple of days ago. I
wish o Cho's a connection would get fixed, because this
(07:47):
is what I want. I wanted to ask him. I
think both guys need to be smarter in a situation
like this. That's your starting quarterback. You're only gonna go
as far as he takes your difference. Uh So, you look,
you don't want to do anything to hurt that guy.
He's the number one overall draft pick and all your
(08:08):
hopes and aspirations are pinned on his shoulder. Now, Cam,
that's your teammate, you know, I mean, come on and
been along dad practice. They said this happened towards the
end of practice and anytime like that. You know, guys
are frustrated. I didn't want to I didn't want you
to score, but yeah, you stopping my stopping celebrating my face.
(08:29):
Yet I'm not feeling too I'm not feeling too well.
That that might be the direction that you get. But
normally teammates, I couldn't imagine, to be honest with you,
have John celebrated, Yeah, absolutely, But I couldn't imagine an
offensive lineman, I mean, excuse me, a defensive lineman doing
something like that to seven. I don't remember being on
a team where a defensive player would do that to
(08:51):
the quarterback, understanding how important the quarterback is to the
team's success, especially the starting quarterback. Maybe the second or
third team something like that, but the starting quarterback, Nah,
I haven't. I can honestly say, in my fourteen years,
I've never been in a situation where I've seen something
quite like what's being reported coming out of Tennessee where
the quarterback throws a touchdown pass late in the ball game,
(09:14):
he shoves Jeffery Simmons. I don't know why he shoved
Jeffery Simmons, but if you shove one guy you should
probably expect to shove back. I'm just surprised that he
shoved Simmons to begin with. Maybe I shouldn't be as
surprised that Simmons shoved him back, because at that point
in time, I'm not looking at you as a quarterback.
I'm looking at somebody that shoved me, and I'm gonna
(09:36):
shove you back. Shop glad he'd know nobody got injured.
The offensive lineman did what they were supposed to do.
Run to cam Ward's defense. That's what's supposed to happen.
Somebody attacks your quarterback, you come hell of high water.
You defend that guy. Right, wrong or indifferent, You defend
your quarterback. We'll address it and we'll figure it out later. Hey, man,
don't do that day. You're too valuable. Don't get into
(09:58):
you know, no shoving matches. Don't say anything to those guys.
Let them do all that talking. We don't have to
worry about that. But I haven't. I can honestly say
I haven't. I've never seen a situation in my years
of being around football. When I was at Denver, when
I was at Baltimore, when I went back to Denver,
I don't remember that happened in the high school. They
don't remember it happened in college. Not to say that
it haven't happened. I haven't been around, and I haven't
(10:21):
seen every situation that arises on a practice field or
in a locker room. But I like to speak to
the things that I've seen, and I can speak clearly
and intelligent on it. But this must have been something
that was brewing for a significant time and emotions ran high,
and I guess cam Ward shoves Jeffery Simmons. Jeffery Simmons like,
(10:44):
I don't know who you think you are. I understand
you to starting quarterback. You're the first overall pick. But
now I'm going to throw that out the wind and
shove you in the face. So hopefully nobody got injured,
glad no punches. Hopefully no punches were thrown. Nobody damaged
the hand of a rest or, a fist or any
of that finger, anything like that, and they're gonna be
good to go for the final preseason game Friday, Saturday
(11:06):
or whenever these guys play and then have. Hopefully everybody
goes into the season healthy and with no lingering injuries.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
But who, I guess. We live in a different a
different time now.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Jimmy Johnson recalls not letting the Cowboys eat on a
plane after loss on the next in this Netflix show.
The former Dallas Cowboy head coach revealed during a clip
in next Netflix America's team The Gambler and His Cowboys
that he once prevented the team from eating on a
eating a meal on a flight home following a loss.
After that loss, we got on the plane. I'm just
(11:42):
fuming because the way we played. So the flight of
tenant start to serve and I say, no, no meal.
They don't deserve to eat. I wanted to be Nazi.
I wanted to be nauseated, to be sick to this
stubmach when they lose, because that's how I felt. Is
this what's been missing from the Cowboys today? A leader
that wants to so badly that he'll take your food away.
(12:04):
That's not uncommon. Dan reeves that happened to us. We
lost the ball game and he took lunch away, Like
I ain't paying for y'all to eat. Y'all hungry, y'all
go get your own damn food. So it's never happened
on a plane. And man, you got to realize, like
(12:25):
when you go to get on that plane, because you
haven't probably eaten since pregame and according to when the
game was so you know you played the early you
played the early game. You played at one o'clock East
Coach time, and you get on a plane to fly
back home. You haven't eaten probably since ten o'clock, ten
point thirty at the Absolute Ladies for a one o'clock game.
(12:48):
And then by the time you get on, by the
time you get because they give you an hour after
the game, you got an hour to basically get from
the field to the locker room, get showered, do your interviews,
get to the bus bus, get to the airport, go
on the tarmac, you get off. Normally that takes about
a hour, about sixty seventy minutes, So think about how
long that's being.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now you're on a plane.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Now I don't know where, doubt where they were coming
back from to get the Dallas. Let's just say it's
New York and you haven't eaten till ten since ten
that's a long time. And now you understand why the
cowboys were how they were. Jimmy trim the fat. There
was no excess fat in the with the Dallas Cowboys
when Jimmy played. And you see, now, if a coach
(13:31):
probably tried to do that now Jerry said, Noah, let
him eat and then guess what team's gonna eat. But
that bat whoo, that's the old school coaching. I don't know.
I don't even know if that'll fly now. Chat y'all
think that would fly now. I don't think that was
fly now, man. I think the players would lose their
damn minds if a coach said, naw, we're not finna eat.
Nobody's gonna eat on the plane home. Sh That's that's
(13:54):
old school coaching. That's that's the way they did it
in the problem in the seventies, eighties, and nineties. Like
I said, not on the playing, but lunch it happened,
and you made sure if you lost the game, you
gave better effort. Because I think the thing is what
Jimmy said. I wouldn't happy with the Yeah, we lost it.
I'm ticked off that we lost the game, but I
(14:15):
didn't like the effort that we gave in losing the game, because.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You know you're not gonna win every game.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But sometimes the effort you saw yesterday, the Bills lost
what thirty eight nothing, and you see McDermott had a problem.
He was upset with them. So it's tough. It's tough.
There's an expectation that when you play, especially when you
got the Cowboys. You're talking about EMMT, You're talking about Troy,
You're talking about Michael Irvin and Charles Haley.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean, they were all those Hall of famers.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
There's an expectation that when you take that field, you
can win this game. And even if you don't win,
how you play is as important. And Jimmy clearly clearly,
but this is Jimmy Johnson. Like I said, there is
no excess fat. Jimmy Johnson is your head coach. Be
at Oklahoma State, be at Miami, be at a Dallas, Miami. Hey,
(15:10):
you gotta get it, you gotta get it. Jimmy Johnson
gonna get it at you. Whatever you got in, Jimmy's
gonna get it at you. So I'm not surprised that
he said this. I'm not surprised because you know, talking
to some of the guys, they they they's like, hey, Jimmy, Jimmy,
crack the whip. Jimmy was not a guy Jimmy did
not be s Jimmy was hardcore. You know what to
(15:33):
expect that a lot of guy look as long as
I know what to expect, I'm cool. You go to
it's probably a little different if you never had a
coach like that.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean, that's all Emmitt knew.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
That's a lot what a lot of these guys knew,
So it probably wasn't a big thing. It would probably
be different if you've been somewhere else and it's not
not even close to that for six seven years, and
then you come to that. Like I said, it's always
easier to be tough and lighting up as opposed the
light and then try to tough en up because guys
look at you a certain way. Having Dan Reason as
(16:06):
my coach, an old school guy that learned cut his
teeth under Tom Landry, practices were hard, Training camp was hard.
So I know anyone that I got after Coach Reids
was gonna be a piece of cake. Ain't no way
training camp and practices and could be any more difficult
than what I had already had gone through for three years.
But I'm not surprised by that. I'm gonna make sure
(16:27):
I watch this because I want to see. You know,
you've heard a little bit of the stories, but to
hear Emmitt and hear you know, obviously talking to Emmitt
and we came out together in nineteen not in the
play Maker and our good friends, but to hear Jimmy
from his own mouth, to hear Troy and hear some
of the other guys talk about it. Coach Prime is
in it. To hear some of these guys talk about it,
that's gonna be. I think it's gonna be very, very good.
(16:49):
And it explains to you why the Cowboys had the
success that they had in the early nineties, especially under Jimmy.
They had had a down year in ninety four, they
didn't have a down year that went to the NFC
Championship Game, and then they bounced back in ninety five
when they get Coach Gift time to come home from
San Francisco. They win the Super Bowl in ninety five,
and it's kind of been hadn't been back to a
championship game since they went to the Super Bowl and
(17:12):
won it ninety five season ninety six, So we're approaching
thirty years in which the Cowboys have not went gone.
Whatever terminology you want to use to an NFC championship game.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
That's a long time.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
When you talk about America's team, and when you talk
about some of the better players that they've assembled on
that team, you look at the All pros, you look
at the Pro Bowl players that they consistently have year
in and year out, there's no excuse for why the
Cowboys haven't gone to an NFC championship game, at least
multiple considering some of the teams that have gone into
(17:47):
an NFC championship game. So I think a lot of
you guys are Cowboy fans or Cowboys haters. Want to
see why the Cowboys were so successful in the early nineties,
and I think watching this will give you a glimpse
into why how he practiced, how they met. Hopefully they
tell the story about the guy that Jimmy I know.
(18:08):
I'm sure they are going to tell the story about
Jimmy cut a guy that fell asleep in the meeting,
and well, he cut one guy because he fumbled the
football last game of the season. They so they cut him,
and then they cut another guy they cut because he
fell asleep in the meeting, and a reporter asked him
to ask him if that was Troy that had fallen
asleep in the meeting when he cut him, he said, no,
how to woke him up? Just goes to show you
(18:30):
treat everybody fair. But if you don't treat everybody the same,
that's Jimmy. Coach Prime sets his punishment for any player
that hits the quarterback. For the players who violate the rule,
consequences range from up down, stadium runs, etc. This is
definitely an old school way of disciplined players. But do
(18:50):
you think this style of punishment can work in the
nil era where guys may transfer from one updown wo Yeah,
I don't know if this style of punishment worked because
I think some guys are already looking. You can't even
(19:11):
really coach a kid. Now you're coach a kid hard.
He'll jump into transfer portal. Somebody offer him fifty dollars
more than what you're paying him, and you ticked him
off of he didn't get as many reps as he thought,
he didn't get as many targets as he thought, he
didn't play as many plays as he thought.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
They jump into portal. Now, this is this is real business.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
This is like like a real job, Like I'm on
a job and I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I don't like my boss. I quit and go find
me another job. Leave you high and dry. And that's
that's just the era that we're living living in.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know what coach Prime is, He's trying to get
his point across. The last thing that you want to
do is hurt is have your players hurt one another.
I'm glad to see a technical technical difficulty. Guy is jodious?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You got us? Yoke?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah, boy, I'm sick of the motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Can't you get me? Yeah? I got you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, about about I buy them boys and that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But y'all defense steel some trash.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, now, let's let's let's
let's not do that. Let's not do that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
We look we look very bad on the first two
drive that the commanders had the ball they took they
started out, but we looked better, we looked better from
that point on.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Let's be optimistic. Let's be optimistic about the situation.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Joe, did you see how did you see how they
ran down the field? O? Yo?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah, Like I can tell you who blew the assignment.
I can tell you who the simon, who the mic
backer straight over the top underneath you knowing you can't
get the underneath and all.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That to shoot the gap, to pull the ray Lewis older.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
What are we doing? And they did it twice, hit
it twice.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
And the guy bounced right outside and he gone.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We had a conversation last night.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I said, Oho, I want to see their backs and
it'll give us a better understanding why Brian Robinson Jr.
Is on the trade block. Well, we see why he's
on the trade block. We saw those two backs from Washington.
Now it makes it. I don't know how much you
could speak for yourself, but it makes a lot of
a ton of sense to me.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
It does make sense. But obviously Brian Robinson, we've seen
what he can do. And I just saw some reporters
obviously doing my little homework, talking about he runs a
little bit timid, not hitting the hole and just stuff
like that.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I'm not sure if the injury history.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Is probably a cause of that, but obviously they like
the young bulls, especially Bill.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
He doesn't want to be called Jacob.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
The name is Bill, Bill, Bill hold On, Yeah, Rodriguez, No,
the other one, the other one, oh Cosky, because what's
his full name?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
The one that that Jane Daniels got the ball back for.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, yes, sir, yes, okay. See say you want to
be called Bill, I'm a calling Bill.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I mean thirty rusher temps Oho for one hundred and
eighty five yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I mean you look at it.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The two top guys, seventeen rushers between the two of
them for one hundred and eight yards, and y'all gonna
look Lovu. Everybody in the stadium, everybody at home knew
the Bengals were not gonna snap that ball at the
thirty eight yard line on fourth and three except you. Yeah,
and you jumped off sides. Everybody nobody when they start
(22:37):
doing all that motion, when they bring the guy outside,
they bring him to the backfield, then they spend him
out there. They're not running, no play bro. They're trying
to get you to jump off sides. And you did it.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I get Ojo, We get Newing the Eagles last year,
remember on the gold line, and he jumped off sides
like five times, four or five times.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And the officials say that, you know, if you keep
doing this, we're just gonna award them to score. I
get Okay, fine, they're gonna fusch, they gonna score anyway.
But in a situation like this, these kind of players
to get your beat because guess what. Guess what happened,
O Joe? Didn't it go right down the field of
score touchdown?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yes we did, Yes we did.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I want to talk about how good offense look except
that second series, the second that second series with Joe
Brow and the number two's.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know why he did that, Joe, Joe,
No better.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You pull back all all the running and scram in that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, throw that bag away, Joe, because you don't want
to take any unnecessary here punishment. Yeah, and then he
got bailed out again because o'brown got beat and why
just happened to horse call him. They're gonna have to
do a better job of protecting Joe. But O Joe,
your offense has to look good because that's where all
your money is. So wherever your money is, that's the
(23:48):
side of the that's the side of the football you're
really gonna have to win on.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I mean, look at the Broncs when we played in
the nineties. GV myself, John Sam Rod yeah, so that's
where the money was. So that's where we had to be.
That's where we that's where we had to be.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, so uh.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I thought your offense, you know, Joe was I
mean Joe was what nine or fourteen sixty two yards?
Jake Brownie came in. But Jake Browning, you know, he
plays well when when asked and given the opportunity. Oh, Joe,
he plays well. Sixteen to twenty five fine, two touchdowns.
Densmon Rider came in there through one pass, he was
won on one for seven yards.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And they were going down the field again, and then
Josh Johnson threw a horble interception.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah, old j oh, Josh, Well that's my DoD there.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Good see Josh.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Good to see Josh still like the man working and
working and working like.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, yeah, hey he I mean, hey, he don't collect.
He collected his own jerseys. Hey, he ain't got no
other player. He ain't got no other player on Jersey.
Know you trade jersey, jo, Hey, I just collect my own.
He got by fourteen.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I think he's uh, he's been on sixteen of the
thirty two team.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Sixteen to the thirty.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Two damop Yeah, oh yeah, I like it so hey,
So if he ever wre to coach, he knows somebody,
somebody somewhere.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Absolutely absolutely and listen, when you played, when you played
that long at that position, they will definitely give you
a job.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Is he signing? Who's that? Who's that? Our special guest?
You ain't? You ain't tell me? I thought that sent
it to you. Here is Ladies and Gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
He's a generational talent and a revere voice in the
modern hip hop. He announced tour dates Dark Or Tour
in twenty five city headlining run kicks off October sixteenth
in Boston. The tour comes off as an announcement as
this hot highly anticipated new project Lonely at the Top
that's out August twenty ninth. Areas Ladies and Gentlemen, Joey
(26:00):
badass Joy, what do you do.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Man? I'm doing good? How you doing?
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Man?
Speaker 9 (26:06):
I gotta say, like, y'all, y'all really shoot the show
this slave?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah? Yeah, let me ask y'all y'all in l.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
A huh nah, I'm in Miami. I'm in Miami and Miami. Okay,
you see Miami. You know that's that's the night life
right there.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Joe Joe, I don't. I don't do the night life.
I don't do the night life.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So I take a nap during the day so I'm
able to get up, you know, to be able.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
To do the show, saying you see, you, see you,
you understand the program.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I don't understand the program. So I'm I'm over here
fighting sleep.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm like, yo, well, but you in that green room,
I mean like you're developing pictures or something like.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
You were with my studio room right here.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
It's like, you know, part of my ceilings right like
I had a little a little leak, but are you
all good? But check it out. I never fixed it
because I was, you know, I like that. It kind
of reminds me of like the old days.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, keep it a great I keep it I keep
it wrong, keep it wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Tell us a little bit about the album.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
So yeah, Lonely at the top. It's out August twenty nine.
You know, this project is it was made in a
short amount of time. I want to say, this is
probably like the fastest I've made a body of work.
You know, I made a lot of things transpired for
me this year musically, and it was really just kind
(27:34):
of pushing my pant, you know what I mean, in
a way where it's just like, you know, I'm just
kind of eager to get.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
The music out, you know.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Lonely at the top means to me is like you know,
kind of looking at looking around and you being at
the top of your success and you're realizing, like, you know,
how how much isolation you find it on the other side,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Like, I'm sure you guys could relate, but like.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
Being on that life journey and you know, you're dealing
with things like Survivors Guild and you know you want
everybody to come and things like that, but what you find.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
On that other side, you know.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
For for for you to to make it, it's like,
you know, sometimes it's a it's an isolating feeling, you
know what I'm saying, because you got to you gotta
block so many things out to maintain that balance, you
know what I mean. So that's kind of like what
this collection of music feels like for me. It's kind
of like a reflection of where I am today right now.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, you get that a lot, you know, coming from
coming from the background, and I'm sure we kind of
all come from very similar background. But no matter how
big a bus is, no matter how big a plane is,
there are x amount of seats and everybody meant to
find that flight. Somebody meant to catch the next one.
Everybody meant to get on that bus, they meant to
catch the next one. And so what we have to do,
(28:55):
what's hard sometimes is is figuring out who's supposed to
be a passage on our bus. You're supposed to be
a passenger own our plane. You know That's that's like
you do feel bad because, like you said, you've been
around a lot of these people.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You're damn entire.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
Life, absolute absolute, And you know I got I got.
The analogy that I use is like the Aladdins purple carpet.
You know what I'm saying, Like if you got a
hundred motherfuckers on there with you, like you ain't going nowhere, that's.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
You're going to take off, you barely.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Levit taking off the ground, you know what I'm saying,
Like I'm trying to go to the mountaintop.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
So it's like, you know, I got to keep it light,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
So I could I could have sinned in everything, Hey Joe,
But how do you, How do you balance that?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
How do you balance that?
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Obviously coming from where you come from, most of us
have the same background and those that we grew up with.
Once we start to send and our respect the craft
and whatever it is that we do, a lot of
people trying to go along with us.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
They complain or you hating. You ain't real no more.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
You're not taking me on this journey that you health
has been working to do. So how have you been
able to navigate with those? When you have a when
you have an album coming out is longly at the top.
But those that feel that they deserve to go well
along with you?
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Well, you know, if I'm being completely honest and completely transparent,
I think that I am still on the journey of
learning how to balance that. You know what I'm saying.
I think it is a matter of continuing to find
that balance, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
different things do what I think the strongest thing is
putting God first, you know, like that is my grounding
(30:28):
factor right there. It's like, you know, remembering God as
often as I can on the daily and you know,
remembering that this journey is it's a predestined path. If
you will, you know what I mean. And it's just
like I am doing what I can at each given
point in this journey, applying the wisdom that I can
(30:50):
to make the best moves.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
You know, sometimes you might look like, yo, could I
have done that better? But you know what, that's part
of the growth as well, you know what I'm saying.
That's that's part of like reflection and all that. It
is part of it for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, you're one of those old like now, I don't
know how many true lyricists that we have when I
you know, and I hate hate not enough. It's not enough,
that's my point, because it used to be. You know,
you had the k r as One, you had to
you had Kine, you had rock Him, you had LLL,
(31:28):
you had Slick Rick, you had the Scar Facers, you.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Had the guys that was that was literally on point.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And now you know it's different, But you want to
take it back because you know a lot of the
the the o g lyricis originated Brooklyn the Boogey down Bronx,
KRS won all those guys. So absolutely do you feel
that's what's missing from hip hop?
Speaker 9 (31:57):
I would say that. First of all, I'll say that
I don't like to look at it as I'm taking
it back. I like to look at it as like
I'm taking it forward because you advancing it. I'm living
in this time, you know what I'm saying. And there's
a Nina Simone quote that like has always resonated with me.
She said, like, you know, music is going to reflect
(32:19):
the times. I'm paraphrasing it, but you know something along
the lines of that, And you know, I always kind
of stay cognizant of that because I think that we
are in an interesting time, which is why the musical
landscape looks the way that it does, because as a
society we are prioritizing certain things and that's coming out
(32:40):
and our subcultures, if you will, like especially in music.
But if anything, I look at it as a purposeful
position to be where I'm at and to represent what
I represent, because, like you know, in the world full
of just like godless behave, yeah, just vanity and stuff
(33:01):
like that.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know, I try to keep my balance by.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
Spreading a message when I can, and being purposeful when
I can, and upholding a certain level of skill effort
into my craft.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Hey, when you talk about that skill and effort and
being able to maintain that balance when it comes to you,
you know, to being a lyricist. The sound of music
in general from the eighties to the nineties, to the
two thousands, obviously to date twenty ten to now, the
sound changes every ten years. Has it difficult for you
to adjust to what the sound is the time? Or
do you just stick to your guns and say, listen,
(33:37):
I don't care how what it sounds like right now.
I'm going to stick to what I've always done and
what's worked for me.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Do you in all transparency, I've definitely found myself at
certain points in my journey, you know, trying to adapt
if you will, But like you know, where I'm at now,
I think I'm at a space where it's like I
no longer necessarily care to adapt. I think what's important
to me is being as authentic and true to myself
(34:05):
as possible, because I feel like in twenty twenty five,
it's like that's the best thing that you can do, Like,
you know, with the Internet, Like I think it was
a little.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Bit different back in the day because.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
It was all about like, you know where you was
from and things like that.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
But I think the Internet kind of allows for.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
People to be a little bit more expressive and not
be so bound by like where they are or where
the culture.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Is, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
It's like we have you know, people with classic sounds
re emerged. Like you said, it's like the game changes
every ten years, but it also comes back every twenty
you know what I'm saying. History repeats itself in an
interesting way. So I think, you know, right now, my
focus is definitely just what is my authentic voice at
this time?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
What is true to me at this time?
Speaker 9 (34:54):
What do I want to convey how do I want
to convey it at this time? And I think that
I use that as my guide in light my north
star and not like what the landscape of the game
is per se. Like there's a small awareness of that obviously,
because you got to know the league that you win,
you know what I mean. You guys could relate to that,
(35:14):
you know what I'm saying. You got to know the
playing field or whatever. But for the most part, I
play my game, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
But that got that has to be hard because if
you do something over and over again, it's like I
wish you give us something new, And when you give
them something new. I wish they give I wish you
go back to the old stuff, because I see that
a lot of times guys like, man, I wish you
would do something else, and when they do something else,
now all of a sudden, man, I like the old stuff.
So how does someone evolve if every time they can
(35:44):
give you something that you're not used to seeing. It
seemed like to me that the only person that they
allowed involved was Beyonce, because you went from one genre
to a whole new genre, got and got more people
and got you know, women wearing cowboy boots and cowboy hats,
and they still the concert again. But when when it
comes to wrap and other genres, they won't let they
(36:06):
won't let that artist get out of that box.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
It's more picture hole. Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with that.
I think you know, you got to do your role
in blocking out the noise, okay, because you know what
I've learned is that fans are fickle. You know what
I'm saying, Like, like what Jay said is like they
love you and they hate you and they love you again.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
It's like they don't know what you want, what they
want so I feel like, as an artist, you always got.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
To be doing for you.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
You know what I'm saying, whatever is true for you
at the time, and even if because I'm definitely big
and big on that idea of not making the same
regurgitated thing and taking risks.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I enjoy taking.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
Risks, you know what I'm saying, and be an experimental
like I enjoy when I play a song for somebody,
and somebody it's like that's you like that that that.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
That that okay, yeah, surprise yeah.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
Because it's like, okay, like I did something that you
didn't think I could do.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
It's like I'm breaking the mold that you may have
over me in your mind. You know what I'm saying,
You didn't know I could. I could go there. But
at the same time, it's still me if you will,
you know what I mean. But yeah, like I said,
just to answer your question in short, though, we gotta
do it for you.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
You know. It's funny too, because I was just.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
Kind of having a mental thought and I'm like, damn,
like who do I make music for? And I'm like,
you know what, Like I really can genuinely say that
I make music for me, like I make the music
that from my experience, and that like I kind of
want to listen to or I want to drive my
car to, or I want to feel flaed to, you
know what I mean. And then it's like everybody else's
(37:48):
kind of secondary. And I know that might feel that
might sound a little funny, but that is That was
the thought that I had when I made my first
body of work, Like there was nobody, there was no audience,
there was no fans, it was just me and my
four walls, and I'm like, this is dope.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Like I think this is tight, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So I stay.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I try to stay as close to that that place.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
As long as you've been in the game and all
the work that you've done over the years. I understand
the politics that comes into the music industry. It's it's
a very very fickle, very very uh dangerous industry from
a political standpoint. If there's one author that you would
love to work with that you haven't worked with, who
(38:32):
would it be?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I would love to work with Forrell.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
Rules because my phone is about to die telling me
I was.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
I was sleep for real, But yeah, Forrell, it's definitely
somebody who I've always wanted to work with.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
We've close passed many times, we just haven't been.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
A damn joy. Did you pay your did you pay
your light bill?
Speaker 7 (38:59):
All that? Yo?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yo? I don't I don't think you heard. I don't
think you understand. Like it's bedtime over here. You know
what I'm saying? Like lights out? Where you at?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We live at?
Speaker 7 (39:19):
I'm on the East Coast?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Okay, okay, well yeah so I'm up in New York.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Well you at the you you are at the birthplace,
the mecca of hip hop. Give me some of your
early influences. Who was influential that joy? Like you know what?
I want to do that?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Oh Jay No, Biggie mn dom.
Speaker 9 (39:45):
Uh Park like dang Ja Rue the Damager. I was
a big j rud the Damagers?
Speaker 7 (39:58):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Who else?
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Yea even R and B man Ship, a little ship
even more new generation, a little bow Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah. I was a kid in that era.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
So like seeing a little bad Wow do his thing.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That a lot for me because I was like, oh ship,
could I could do that? You know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah?
People people, people sleep on my boys. Shad, Shad deserves
way on your about was like that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, he had a beauty. He had a nice run. Boy,
he had a real nice run. Hey, hey, Joe, you
listening about you listened to Battle Rap? Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 9 (40:34):
I love I love battle rap, you know what I mean.
My man loaded Lux. I just had it back and
forth with the Homie Daylight.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Earlier this year. You know, they like they like.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Gotti is probably on my top five battle rappers as well,
along with the other two names I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, and I love the battle rap coaching. Man, Yeah,
I love that.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
So what's going on. What's going on with you in
the West Coast? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (41:02):
Oh we cool, we cool, we we we We had
we had a little you know, lyrile cool squabble. But
you know it wasn't about nothing. It was just you know,
everybody wanting to show that that they the best, right
you know.
Speaker 9 (41:20):
So yeah, we got we got down a little bit.
It was fun, but it was.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
You guys were still on that type of time. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (41:29):
Yeah, like I mean, listen, it was all in good
faith and I'm grateful for that, you know what I mean.
I made a statement at the beginning of the year
and one of my records, and some rappers on the
West Coast took offense to it. I didn't meet offense
to it, but at the same time, I respected their perspective,
and you know, we we.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
Pretty much just traded some bars.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Like made it better, made the better pin win.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Made the better pen win.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Indeed, indeed, indeed.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Do you kick it with? I mean, do you kick
it with anybody? Or you you you're soloist?
Speaker 9 (42:06):
I am by nature now in this phase of my life,
I do. I am solo a lot. But yeah, yeah,
like when you say anybody, you mean like rapper friends
type of.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Thing, Yeah, yeah, you got you know, the homies that
you kick it with.
Speaker 9 (42:20):
Oh yeah, you know j I d Is a great
friend of mine, Corday is a great friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
They sat ferg.
Speaker 9 (42:30):
Danzel Curry like those are those are my guys for real?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And then it's like, you know.
Speaker 9 (42:35):
I got I got a bunch of people just scattered
throughout the industry that, like, you know, a really solid
individuals and I've been rocking with for a long time for.
Speaker 7 (42:44):
Sure, But you know, you know how it is, like
you know, I said, man.
Speaker 9 (42:47):
You get to a certain age it's just it's just
not what it was in the early twenties and in
your team these years when it's like you hang with
people every day and stuff like that, it's like we.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
All got our own Like the older I get that,
you know, the do you see what Once you get
to a certain age, you get to pick your friends.
It like when you you know, you were in elementary school,
junior high, in high school and everybody just around, Oh
that's my friend, that's my friend. You get older, you
get to pick your friend, and you know that you
pick less and less of them.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah that's true. That's true. You got less time, you
got less time to vet them.
Speaker 9 (43:19):
That's the fact. I've always heard just the same. Pick
your friends like you pick your fruit because I'll be
I mean, I'll be in the food hour in the
grocery store.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
For a minute, like looking through. Yeah, that's why, that's why.
That's why you got to wash your fruit when you
get home. You hear what he's saying. The head in
his hand, he done thump that he done toast it
up like it's a tennis ball.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
You got to watch that Apple lott Hey check this out.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
You made your television television acting debut on a US network.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
You try to do any more acting?
Speaker 7 (43:53):
Oh not trying, brother, I am doing. Oh you doing,
absolutely doing.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (43:59):
I got some projects in the works right now that
I what's up necessarily revealed at the moment, but I'm
excited to share them when I can reveal. Like this
really big project I'm really excited about the shoot in
Paris next year, probably gonna be like, you know, one
of my I feel like this could be like, you know,
(44:19):
my real magnum opus in the film TV world, you know,
in Charlotte. But yeah, you know, raising Kanaan. We still
got one more season to go for that. That's been
a pleasure. And then I had the Netflix short a
few years ago to Just the Strangers that Want to
Oscar And yeah, a couple of projects in development as well.
(44:40):
So acting is definitely something that you know, I take serious.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, we want you to do it a favor. You know.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Oo Is is a lyricist. H he goes to you know,
do open where I know you remember the movie Love
Jones Trade.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
Uh uh.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Lareen's excuse me?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Uh and uh nea long so has been you know
going to these you know, just open you know these
uh spoken words.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, so uh, Joey, graded, We're.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Gonna let you great because you know you're the professor
and the lyricists and great penmanship.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
So great. Oh chose a spoken word. Let's go.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Hey, listen, Joey, my pen is like that. Hold on less.
Let me getting carried. I'm a little I'm under the
weather right now. Let me get in Charriaedter, I bet
do you think you think long summer nights? They all
come to play. They're walking across the streets acting like
(45:46):
a straight She has an umbrella, but it's not even raining.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That's it. Thank you, thank you. I'm gonna give you
one of those, man.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yeah, appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You gotta you gotta keep it classing man. The funny
thing about it.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
The funny thing about it is people will hear what
I just said and not be able to visualize what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
There's a message behind that.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
Unless you in that in that mold and that spirit
and had that vision, you'll never understand what I say.
So you go back and listen to it again with
your eyes closed. Then the people in the chat you
understand what I'm going with it.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Then it comes to life.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Bingo, Yeah, everybody can't. They don't, they don't have my vision.
Speaker 9 (46:38):
Anybody can't go. Anybody can't get on that plane.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
But we just talked.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
We just talked about that.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
He has a tour.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Dark Aura starts off twenty five city headlining clicks off
October sixteenth in Boston. Uh new album drops August twenty ninth,
Lonely at the Top, Joy Badass, stop by, stop back
by and talk to him sometimes, and let me ask
you this.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Who you who you got this year? Who your team?
And why? Who's my team? And basketball? Football? Football all?
Speaker 9 (47:15):
Like you guys probably hate me when I say this,
but I don't really watch football. Bro Okay, yeah, I'm
I don't know. I'm the wrong person to talk to you.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Who are your basketball team? Who's your basket? Who you who? Team? Man?
Speaker 9 (47:28):
Like I'm always rooting for Lebron Man, I'm always rooting
for le Bron Big Lebron Man.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
Man.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
There you go. That's what we talk about. We're gonna
get you out here.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
We're gonna get you out here on that one George
Man Fest of Love, continue success Man, stop back by
and see her sometime.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Sorry, Sorry, it's so late, but this was, this was
we came on the way.
Speaker 9 (47:46):
Next time, I'm going to make sure I get my
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in the chat Okay, what was we suspected all along?
Kevin Stefanski said he was going to name a starter
today and he did, and just like Ocho and I
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surmise it's Joe Flacco. The forty old were making his
first Week one start since twenty twenty two when he's
with the Jets TBD. On the rest of the depth chart,
Kenny Pickett has not played since he tweaked that hamstring.
Dylan Gabriel got the start on Saturday. Shador did not
play because of a knee oblique injury. He started the
(02:58):
first regularly Precs and Tyler Snoop Huntley is also on
the list. Adam Shefter said this morning, I expect the
Cleveland Browns to carry four quarterbacks on the fifty three
man roster. Wow, that's that doesn't normally happen. It's just
I think they're afraid that if they let one of
these guys go, somebody's gonna snatch them up. You'd probably
(03:21):
like to probably you know, cut them and then have
them come back on the practice squad, but they.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Don't feel they can do that.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
They feel that if they were to release Gabriel, excuse me,
release Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders, somebody would sign them
to their active roster.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And you don't want to run that risk.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Guy that's been in your program for the better part
of six months little up April, since April, since the draft,
So you don't want to run that risk.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Excuse me, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But I don't think any of us are surprised that
Joe Flacco got named the starter.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
He didn't play, but Stefanski did.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The head coach, Kevin Stefanski did say they're gonna treat
this as a dress rehearsal of what they might do
in Week one. So Joe Flacco is going to get
the start for the final preseason game and we'll see
how that works out.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But I don't think we're surprised.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't think any of your surprised that Joe Flacco
was named the starter.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You look at Kenny Pickett. He has not been able
to do.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Anything any team drills since he tweaked that champ string
early early in training camp. Obviously, Dylan Gabriel was nick
the first, you know, for about ten eleven days.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Then he came back.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Shadure played really well the first game, then he got
an oblique injury. He was out, and then Dylan Gabriel
took it over, and then he played played fairly well.
I mean he had a pick, but I don't think
either God did anything since I mean, look, you are
where you are. I mean, some people say, well, Dylan
Gabriel has played better. I haven't heard anybody say that,
(04:51):
but some people like Dylan Gabriel and think what he
brings to the table. I was listening to somebody to
day say Dylan Gabriel, though has a stronger arm, throws
were better anticipation. I don't know if I necessarily agree
with that or believe that it's gonna be a very
tough decision, but in order for them to carry for quarterbacks,
that means they're not really sure and they don't want
(05:14):
to make the mistake. Nobody wants to make the mistake
and get up, get off one of these quarterbacks, have
him go somewhere else and play really, really well when
we had him in our fold. So that's what I
deduce from that. Cleveland put themselves in a buying by,
you know, signing Joe Flacco to a one year I
think they traded for Kenny Pickett and then selecting two
quarterbacks one and the third one in the fifth And
(05:36):
you find yourself in a situation because none of these
quarterbacks really have separated themselves from the rest of the guys.
Pickett didn't really get a chance to separate himself because
he's been injured for the better part of training camp.
And so I don't know does he start I don't
think he started on pup. How he progressing?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Ash?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Do we know anything about how he's progressing resting to
see I don't think you put him on pup. Because
you put him on pupp he's gonna put him down
for six weeks. I don't think it's gonna take that
much length of time. He'd be out almost three months
with a hamstring injury.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Wow, So we're coming up on a month.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Funny that you say that, because Justin Jefferson just returned
to practice and he was out for twenty five days.
We're gonna talk about that in a little bit. But
these hamstrings are very, very tricky. You want to air
on the side of caution. The last thing you want
to do is miss that amount of time, come back
and tweak it again, because you're probably gonna double the
amount of time that you're gonna miss moving forward. So,
Cleveland Brown's name Joe Flacco as their starting quarterback. They
(06:40):
did not give a depth chart after Joe Flacco. Normally
it was Kenny Pickett two, Dylan gabral three, and Shudur
Sanders four. But I guess that's in the In the
next couple of days, we'll find out. We'll see how
healthy Shudur is is. That oblique healed well enough for
him to get some action in game in the final
preseason game.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But Joe Flacco name started for the Cleveland Browns to
start the twenty twenty five season. Titans quarterback cam Ward
got into a scuffle with DT Jeffrey Simmons and camp.
Cam Ward and defensive Linean Jeffery Simmons got into a
scuffle on Monday. War threw a touchdown pass to Calvin
Ridley towards the end of practice and went over to celebrate.
The rookie quarterback stop gave Simmons a shove before doing
(07:25):
the trademark Zombie Land celebration in front of him. Simmons
reacted with a two hand shove towards face mask. The
offensive lineman came running to help towards defense. I think
we kind of had a conversation. We kind of had
a conversation about this a couple of days ago. I
wish o Cho's a connection would get fixed, because this
(07:47):
is what I want. I wanted to ask him. I
think both guys need to be smarter in a situation
like this. That's your starting quarterback. You're only gonna go
as far as he takes your difference. Uh So, you look,
you don't want to do anything to hurt that guy.
He's the number one overall draft pick and all your
(08:08):
hopes and aspirations are pinned on his shoulder. Now, Cam,
that's your teammate, you know, I mean, come on and
been along dad practice. They said this happened towards the
end of practice and anytime like that. You know, guys
are frustrated. I didn't want to I didn't want you
to score, but yeah, you stopping my stopping celebrating my face.
(08:29):
Yet I'm not feeling too I'm not feeling too well.
That that might be the direction that you get. But
normally teammates, I couldn't imagine, to be honest with you,
have John celebrated, Yeah, absolutely, But I couldn't imagine an
offensive lineman, I mean, excuse me, a defensive lineman doing
something like that to seven. I don't remember being on
a team where a defensive player would do that to
(08:51):
the quarterback, understanding how important the quarterback is to the
team's success, especially the starting quarterback. Maybe the second or
third team something like that, but the starting quarterback, Nah,
I haven't. I can honestly say, in my fourteen years,
I've never been in a situation where I've seen something
quite like what's being reported coming out of Tennessee where
the quarterback throws a touchdown pass late in the ball game,
(09:14):
he shoves Jeffery Simmons. I don't know why he shoved
Jeffery Simmons, but if you shove one guy you should
probably expect to shove back. I'm just surprised that he
shoved Simmons to begin with. Maybe I shouldn't be as
surprised that Simmons shoved him back, because at that point
in time, I'm not looking at you as a quarterback.
I'm looking at somebody that shoved me, and I'm gonna
(09:36):
shove you back. Shop glad he'd know nobody got injured.
The offensive lineman did what they were supposed to do.
Run to cam Ward's defense. That's what's supposed to happen.
Somebody attacks your quarterback, you come hell of high water.
You defend that guy. Right, wrong or indifferent, You defend
your quarterback. We'll address it and we'll figure it out later. Hey, man,
don't do that day. You're too valuable. Don't get into
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you know, no shoving matches. Don't say anything to those guys.
Let them do all that talking. We don't have to
worry about that. But I haven't. I can honestly say
I haven't. I've never seen a situation in my years
of being around football. When I was at Denver, when
I was at Baltimore, when I went back to Denver,
I don't remember that happened in the high school. They
don't remember it happened in college. Not to say that
it haven't happened. I haven't been around, and I haven't
(10:21):
seen every situation that arises on a practice field or
in a locker room. But I like to speak to
the things that I've seen, and I can speak clearly
and intelligent on it. But this must have been something
that was brewing for a significant time and emotions ran high,
and I guess cam Ward shoves Jeffery Simmons. Jeffery Simmons like,
(10:44):
I don't know who you think you are. I understand
you to starting quarterback. You're the first overall pick. But
now I'm going to throw that out the wind and
shove you in the face. So hopefully nobody got injured,
glad no punches. Hopefully no punches were thrown. Nobody damaged
the hand of a rest or, a fist or any
of that finger, anything like that, and they're gonna be
good to go for the final preseason game Friday, Saturday
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or whenever these guys play and then have. Hopefully everybody
goes into the season healthy and with no lingering injuries.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
But who, I guess. We live in a different a
different time now.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Jimmy Johnson recalls not letting the Cowboys eat on a
plane after loss on the next in this Netflix show.
The former Dallas Cowboy head coach revealed during a clip
in next Netflix America's team The Gambler and His Cowboys
that he once prevented the team from eating on a
eating a meal on a flight home following a loss.
After that loss, we got on the plane. I'm just
(11:42):
fuming because the way we played. So the flight of
tenant start to serve and I say, no, no meal.
They don't deserve to eat. I wanted to be Nazi.
I wanted to be nauseated, to be sick to this
stubmach when they lose, because that's how I felt. Is
this what's been missing from the Cowboys today? A leader
that wants to so badly that he'll take your food away.
(12:04):
That's not uncommon. Dan reeves that happened to us. We
lost the ball game and he took lunch away, Like
I ain't paying for y'all to eat. Y'all hungry, y'all
go get your own damn food. So it's never happened
on a plane. And man, you got to realize, like
(12:25):
when you go to get on that plane, because you
haven't probably eaten since pregame and according to when the
game was so you know you played the early you
played the early game. You played at one o'clock East
Coach time, and you get on a plane to fly
back home. You haven't eaten probably since ten o'clock, ten
point thirty at the Absolute Ladies for a one o'clock game.
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And then by the time you get on, by the
time you get because they give you an hour after
the game, you got an hour to basically get from
the field to the locker room, get showered, do your interviews,
get to the bus bus, get to the airport, go
on the tarmac, you get off. Normally that takes about
a hour, about sixty seventy minutes, So think about how
long that's being.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now you're on a plane.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Now I don't know where, doubt where they were coming
back from to get the Dallas. Let's just say it's
New York and you haven't eaten till ten since ten
that's a long time. And now you understand why the
cowboys were how they were. Jimmy trim the fat. There
was no excess fat in the with the Dallas Cowboys
when Jimmy played. And you see, now, if a coach
(13:31):
probably tried to do that now Jerry said, Noah, let
him eat and then guess what team's gonna eat. But
that bat whoo, that's the old school coaching. I don't know.
I don't even know if that'll fly now. Chat y'all
think that would fly now. I don't think that was
fly now, man. I think the players would lose their
damn minds if a coach said, naw, we're not finna eat.
Nobody's gonna eat on the plane home. Sh That's that's
(13:54):
old school coaching. That's that's the way they did it
in the problem in the seventies, eighties, and nineties. Like
I said, not on the playing, but lunch it happened,
and you made sure if you lost the game, you
gave better effort. Because I think the thing is what
Jimmy said. I wouldn't happy with the Yeah, we lost it.
I'm ticked off that we lost the game, but I
(14:15):
didn't like the effort that we gave in losing the game, because.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You know you're not gonna win every game.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But sometimes the effort you saw yesterday, the Bills lost
what thirty eight nothing, and you see McDermott had a problem.
He was upset with them. So it's tough. It's tough.
There's an expectation that when you play, especially when you
got the Cowboys. You're talking about EMMT, You're talking about Troy,
You're talking about Michael Irvin and Charles Haley.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean, they were all those Hall of famers.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
There's an expectation that when you take that field, you
can win this game. And even if you don't win,
how you play is as important. And Jimmy clearly clearly,
but this is Jimmy Johnson. Like I said, there is
no excess fat. Jimmy Johnson is your head coach. Be
at Oklahoma State, be at Miami, be at a Dallas, Miami. Hey,
(15:10):
you gotta get it, you gotta get it. Jimmy Johnson
gonna get it at you. Whatever you got in, Jimmy's
gonna get it at you. So I'm not surprised that
he said this. I'm not surprised because you know, talking
to some of the guys, they they they's like, hey, Jimmy, Jimmy,
crack the whip. Jimmy was not a guy Jimmy did
not be s Jimmy was hardcore. You know what to
(15:33):
expect that a lot of guy look as long as
I know what to expect, I'm cool. You go to
it's probably a little different if you never had a
coach like that.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean, that's all Emmitt knew.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
That's a lot what a lot of these guys knew,
So it probably wasn't a big thing. It would probably
be different if you've been somewhere else and it's not
not even close to that for six seven years, and
then you come to that. Like I said, it's always
easier to be tough and lighting up as opposed the
light and then try to tough en up because guys
look at you a certain way. Having Dan Reason as
(16:06):
my coach, an old school guy that learned cut his
teeth under Tom Landry, practices were hard, Training camp was hard.
So I know anyone that I got after Coach Reids
was gonna be a piece of cake. Ain't no way
training camp and practices and could be any more difficult
than what I had already had gone through for three years.
But I'm not surprised by that. I'm gonna make sure
(16:27):
I watch this because I want to see. You know,
you've heard a little bit of the stories, but to
hear Emmitt and hear you know, obviously talking to Emmitt
and we came out together in nineteen not in the
play Maker and our good friends, but to hear Jimmy
from his own mouth, to hear Troy and hear some
of the other guys talk about it. Coach Prime is
in it. To hear some of these guys talk about it,
that's gonna be. I think it's gonna be very, very good.
(16:49):
And it explains to you why the Cowboys had the
success that they had in the early nineties, especially under Jimmy.
They had had a down year in ninety four, they
didn't have a down year that went to the NFC
Championship Game, and then they bounced back in ninety five
when they get Coach Gift time to come home from
San Francisco. They win the Super Bowl in ninety five,
and it's kind of been hadn't been back to a
championship game since they went to the Super Bowl and
(17:12):
won it ninety five season ninety six, So we're approaching
thirty years in which the Cowboys have not went gone.
Whatever terminology you want to use to an NFC championship game.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
That's a long time.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
When you talk about America's team, and when you talk
about some of the better players that they've assembled on
that team, you look at the All pros, you look
at the Pro Bowl players that they consistently have year
in and year out, there's no excuse for why the
Cowboys haven't gone to an NFC championship game, at least
multiple considering some of the teams that have gone into
(17:47):
an NFC championship game. So I think a lot of
you guys are Cowboy fans or Cowboys haters. Want to
see why the Cowboys were so successful in the early nineties,
and I think watching this will give you a glimpse
into why how he practiced, how they met. Hopefully they
tell the story about the guy that Jimmy I know.
(18:08):
I'm sure they are going to tell the story about
Jimmy cut a guy that fell asleep in the meeting,
and well, he cut one guy because he fumbled the
football last game of the season. They so they cut him,
and then they cut another guy they cut because he
fell asleep in the meeting, and a reporter asked him
to ask him if that was Troy that had fallen
asleep in the meeting when he cut him, he said, no,
how to woke him up? Just goes to show you
(18:30):
treat everybody fair. But if you don't treat everybody the same,
that's Jimmy. Coach Prime sets his punishment for any player
that hits the quarterback. For the players who violate the rule,
consequences range from up down, stadium runs, etc. This is
definitely an old school way of disciplined players. But do
(18:50):
you think this style of punishment can work in the
nil era where guys may transfer from one updown wo Yeah,
I don't know if this style of punishment worked because
I think some guys are already looking. You can't even
(19:11):
really coach a kid. Now you're coach a kid hard.
He'll jump into transfer portal. Somebody offer him fifty dollars
more than what you're paying him, and you ticked him
off of he didn't get as many reps as he thought,
he didn't get as many targets as he thought, he
didn't play as many plays as he thought.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
They jump into portal. Now, this is this is real business.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
This is like like a real job, Like I'm on
a job and I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I don't like my boss. I quit and go find
me another job. Leave you high and dry. And that's
that's just the era that we're living living in.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know what coach Prime is, He's trying to get
his point across. The last thing that you want to
do is hurt is have your players hurt one another.
I'm glad to see a technical technical difficulty. Guy is jodious?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You got us? Yoke?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah, boy, I'm sick of the motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Can't you get me? Yeah? I got you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, about about I buy them boys and that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But y'all defense steel some trash.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, now, let's let's let's
let's not do that. Let's not do that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
We look we look very bad on the first two
drive that the commanders had the ball they took they
started out, but we looked better, we looked better from
that point on.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Let's be optimistic. Let's be optimistic about the situation.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Joe, did you see how did you see how they
ran down the field? O? Yo?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Yeah, Like I can tell you who blew the assignment.
I can tell you who the simon, who the mic
backer straight over the top underneath you knowing you can't
get the underneath and all.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That to shoot the gap, to pull the ray Lewis older.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
What are we doing? And they did it twice, hit
it twice.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
And the guy bounced right outside and he gone.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We had a conversation last night.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I said, Oho, I want to see their backs and
it'll give us a better understanding why Brian Robinson Jr.
Is on the trade block. Well, we see why he's
on the trade block. We saw those two backs from Washington.
Now it makes it. I don't know how much you
could speak for yourself, but it makes a lot of
a ton of sense to me.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
It does make sense. But obviously Brian Robinson, we've seen
what he can do. And I just saw some reporters
obviously doing my little homework, talking about he runs a
little bit timid, not hitting the hole and just stuff
like that.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I'm not sure if the injury history.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Is probably a cause of that, but obviously they like
the young bulls, especially Bill.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
He doesn't want to be called Jacob.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
The name is Bill, Bill, Bill hold On, Yeah, Rodriguez, No,
the other one, the other one, oh Cosky, because what's
his full name?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
The one that that Jane Daniels got the ball back for.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, yes, sir, yes, okay. See say you want to
be called Bill, I'm a calling Bill.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I mean thirty rusher temps Oho for one hundred and
eighty five yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I mean you look at it.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The two top guys, seventeen rushers between the two of
them for one hundred and eight yards, and y'all gonna
look Lovu. Everybody in the stadium, everybody at home knew
the Bengals were not gonna snap that ball at the
thirty eight yard line on fourth and three except you. Yeah,
and you jumped off sides. Everybody nobody when they start
(22:37):
doing all that motion, when they bring the guy outside,
they bring him to the backfield, then they spend him
out there. They're not running, no play bro. They're trying
to get you to jump off sides. And you did it.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I get Ojo, We get Newing the Eagles last year,
remember on the gold line, and he jumped off sides
like five times, four or five times.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And the officials say that, you know, if you keep
doing this, we're just gonna award them to score. I
get Okay, fine, they're gonna fusch, they gonna score anyway.
But in a situation like this, these kind of players
to get your beat because guess what. Guess what happened,
O Joe? Didn't it go right down the field of
score touchdown?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yes we did, Yes we did.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I want to talk about how good offense look except
that second series, the second that second series with Joe
Brow and the number two's.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know why he did that, Joe, Joe,
No better.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You pull back all all the running and scram in that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, throw that bag away, Joe, because you don't want
to take any unnecessary here punishment. Yeah, and then he
got bailed out again because o'brown got beat and why
just happened to horse call him. They're gonna have to
do a better job of protecting Joe. But O Joe,
your offense has to look good because that's where all
your money is. So wherever your money is, that's the
(23:48):
side of the that's the side of the football you're
really gonna have to win on.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I mean, look at the Broncs when we played in
the nineties. GV myself, John Sam Rod yeah, so that's
where the money was. So that's where we had to be.
That's where we that's where we had to be.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, so uh.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I thought your offense, you know, Joe was I
mean Joe was what nine or fourteen sixty two yards?
Jake Brownie came in. But Jake Browning, you know, he
plays well when when asked and given the opportunity. Oh, Joe,
he plays well. Sixteen to twenty five fine, two touchdowns.
Densmon Rider came in there through one pass, he was
won on one for seven yards.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And they were going down the field again, and then
Josh Johnson threw a horble interception.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah, old j oh, Josh, Well that's my DoD there.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Good see Josh.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Good to see Josh still like the man working and
working and working like.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, yeah, hey he I mean, hey, he don't collect.
He collected his own jerseys. Hey, he ain't got no
other player. He ain't got no other player on Jersey.
Know you trade jersey, jo, Hey, I just collect my own.
He got by fourteen.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I think he's uh, he's been on sixteen of the
thirty two team.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Sixteen to the thirty.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Two damop Yeah, oh yeah, I like it so hey,
So if he ever wre to coach, he knows somebody,
somebody somewhere.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Absolutely absolutely and listen, when you played, when you played
that long at that position, they will definitely give you
a job.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Is he signing? Who's that? Who's that? Our special guest?
You ain't? You ain't tell me? I thought that sent
it to you. Here is Ladies and Gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
He's a generational talent and a revere voice in the
modern hip hop. He announced tour dates Dark Or Tour
in twenty five city headlining run kicks off October sixteenth
in Boston. The tour comes off as an announcement as
this hot highly anticipated new project Lonely at the Top
that's out August twenty ninth. Areas Ladies and Gentlemen, Joey
(26:00):
badass Joy, what do you do.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Man? I'm doing good? How you doing?
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Man?
Speaker 9 (26:06):
I gotta say, like, y'all, y'all really shoot the show
this slave?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah? Yeah, let me ask y'all y'all in l.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
A huh nah, I'm in Miami. I'm in Miami and Miami. Okay,
you see Miami. You know that's that's the night life
right there.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Joe Joe, I don't. I don't do the night life.
I don't do the night life.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So I take a nap during the day so I'm
able to get up, you know, to be able.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
To do the show, saying you see, you, see you,
you understand the program.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I don't understand the program. So I'm I'm over here
fighting sleep.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm like, yo, well, but you in that green room,
I mean like you're developing pictures or something like.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
You were with my studio room right here.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
It's like, you know, part of my ceilings right like
I had a little a little leak, but are you
all good? But check it out. I never fixed it
because I was, you know, I like that. It kind
of reminds me of like the old days.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, keep it a great I keep it I keep
it wrong, keep it wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Tell us a little bit about the album.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
So yeah, Lonely at the top. It's out August twenty nine.
You know, this project is it was made in a
short amount of time. I want to say, this is
probably like the fastest I've made a body of work.
You know, I made a lot of things transpired for
me this year musically, and it was really just kind
(27:34):
of pushing my pant, you know what I mean, in
a way where it's just like, you know, I'm just
kind of eager to get.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
The music out, you know.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Lonely at the top means to me is like you know,
kind of looking at looking around and you being at
the top of your success and you're realizing, like, you know,
how how much isolation you find it on the other side,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Like, I'm sure you guys could relate, but like.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
Being on that life journey and you know, you're dealing
with things like Survivors Guild and you know you want
everybody to come and things like that, but what you find.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
On that other side, you know.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
For for for you to to make it, it's like,
you know, sometimes it's a it's an isolating feeling, you
know what I'm saying, because you got to you gotta
block so many things out to maintain that balance, you
know what I mean. So that's kind of like what
this collection of music feels like for me. It's kind
of like a reflection of where I am today right now.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, you get that a lot, you know, coming from
coming from the background, and I'm sure we kind of
all come from very similar background. But no matter how
big a bus is, no matter how big a plane is,
there are x amount of seats and everybody meant to
find that flight. Somebody meant to catch the next one.
Everybody meant to get on that bus, they meant to
catch the next one. And so what we have to do,
(28:55):
what's hard sometimes is is figuring out who's supposed to
be a passage on our bus. You're supposed to be
a passenger own our plane. You know That's that's like
you do feel bad because, like you said, you've been
around a lot of these people.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You're damn entire.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
Life, absolute absolute, And you know I got I got.
The analogy that I use is like the Aladdins purple carpet.
You know what I'm saying, Like if you got a
hundred motherfuckers on there with you, like you ain't going nowhere, that's.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
You're going to take off, you barely.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Levit taking off the ground, you know what I'm saying,
Like I'm trying to go to the mountaintop.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
So it's like, you know, I got to keep it light,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
So I could I could have sinned in everything, Hey Joe,
But how do you, How do you balance that?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
How do you balance that?
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Obviously coming from where you come from, most of us
have the same background and those that we grew up with.
Once we start to send and our respect the craft
and whatever it is that we do, a lot of
people trying to go along with us.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
They complain or you hating. You ain't real no more.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
You're not taking me on this journey that you health
has been working to do. So how have you been
able to navigate with those? When you have a when
you have an album coming out is longly at the top.
But those that feel that they deserve to go well
along with you?
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Well, you know, if I'm being completely honest and completely transparent,
I think that I am still on the journey of
learning how to balance that. You know what I'm saying.
I think it is a matter of continuing to find
that balance, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
different things do what I think the strongest thing is
putting God first, you know, like that is my grounding
(30:28):
factor right there. It's like, you know, remembering God as
often as I can on the daily and you know,
remembering that this journey is it's a predestined path. If
you will, you know what I mean. And it's just
like I am doing what I can at each given
point in this journey, applying the wisdom that I can
(30:50):
to make the best moves.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
You know, sometimes you might look like, yo, could I
have done that better? But you know what, that's part
of the growth as well, you know what I'm saying.
That's that's part of like reflection and all that. It
is part of it for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, you're one of those old like now, I don't
know how many true lyricists that we have when I
you know, and I hate hate not enough. It's not enough,
that's my point, because it used to be. You know,
you had the k r as One, you had to
you had Kine, you had rock Him, you had LLL,
(31:28):
you had Slick Rick, you had the Scar Facers, you.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Had the guys that was that was literally on point.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And now you know it's different, But you want to
take it back because you know a lot of the
the the o g lyricis originated Brooklyn the Boogey down Bronx,
KRS won all those guys. So absolutely do you feel
that's what's missing from hip hop?
Speaker 9 (31:57):
I would say that. First of all, I'll say that
I don't like to look at it as I'm taking
it back. I like to look at it as like
I'm taking it forward because you advancing it. I'm living
in this time, you know what I'm saying. And there's
a Nina Simone quote that like has always resonated with me.
She said, like, you know, music is going to reflect
(32:19):
the times. I'm paraphrasing it, but you know something along
the lines of that, And you know, I always kind
of stay cognizant of that because I think that we
are in an interesting time, which is why the musical
landscape looks the way that it does, because as a
society we are prioritizing certain things and that's coming out
(32:40):
and our subcultures, if you will, like especially in music.
But if anything, I look at it as a purposeful
position to be where I'm at and to represent what
I represent, because, like you know, in the world full
of just like godless behave, yeah, just vanity and stuff
(33:01):
like that.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know, I try to keep my balance by.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
Spreading a message when I can, and being purposeful when
I can, and upholding a certain level of skill effort
into my craft.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Hey, when you talk about that skill and effort and
being able to maintain that balance when it comes to you,
you know, to being a lyricist. The sound of music
in general from the eighties to the nineties, to the
two thousands, obviously to date twenty ten to now, the
sound changes every ten years. Has it difficult for you
to adjust to what the sound is the time? Or
do you just stick to your guns and say, listen,
(33:37):
I don't care how what it sounds like right now.
I'm going to stick to what I've always done and
what's worked for me.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Do you in all transparency, I've definitely found myself at
certain points in my journey, you know, trying to adapt
if you will, But like you know, where I'm at now,
I think I'm at a space where it's like I
no longer necessarily care to adapt. I think what's important
to me is being as authentic and true to myself
(34:05):
as possible, because I feel like in twenty twenty five,
it's like that's the best thing that you can do, Like,
you know, with the Internet, Like I think it was
a little.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Bit different back in the day because.
Speaker 9 (34:16):
It was all about like, you know where you was
from and things like that.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
But I think the Internet kind of allows for.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
People to be a little bit more expressive and not
be so bound by like where they are or where
the culture.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Is, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
It's like we have you know, people with classic sounds
re emerged. Like you said, it's like the game changes
every ten years, but it also comes back every twenty
you know what I'm saying. History repeats itself in an
interesting way. So I think, you know, right now, my
focus is definitely just what is my authentic voice at
this time?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
What is true to me at this time?
Speaker 9 (34:54):
What do I want to convey how do I want
to convey it at this time? And I think that
I use that as my guide in light my north
star and not like what the landscape of the game
is per se. Like there's a small awareness of that obviously,
because you got to know the league that you win,
you know what I mean. You guys could relate to that,
(35:14):
you know what I'm saying. You got to know the
playing field or whatever. But for the most part, I
play my game, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
But that got that has to be hard because if
you do something over and over again, it's like I
wish you give us something new, And when you give
them something new. I wish they give I wish you
go back to the old stuff, because I see that
a lot of times guys like, man, I wish you
would do something else, and when they do something else,
now all of a sudden, man, I like the old stuff.
So how does someone evolve if every time they can
(35:44):
give you something that you're not used to seeing. It
seemed like to me that the only person that they
allowed involved was Beyonce, because you went from one genre
to a whole new genre, got and got more people
and got you know, women wearing cowboy boots and cowboy hats,
and they still the concert again. But when when it
comes to wrap and other genres, they won't let they
(36:06):
won't let that artist get out of that box.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
It's more picture hole. Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with that.
I think you know, you got to do your role
in blocking out the noise, okay, because you know what
I've learned is that fans are fickle. You know what
I'm saying, Like, like what Jay said is like they
love you and they hate you and they love you again.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
It's like they don't know what you want, what they
want so I feel like, as an artist, you always got.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
To be doing for you.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
You know what I'm saying, whatever is true for you
at the time, and even if because I'm definitely big
and big on that idea of not making the same
regurgitated thing and taking risks.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I enjoy taking.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
Risks, you know what I'm saying, and be an experimental
like I enjoy when I play a song for somebody,
and somebody it's like that's you like that that that.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
That that okay, yeah, surprise yeah.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
Because it's like, okay, like I did something that you
didn't think I could do.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
It's like I'm breaking the mold that you may have
over me in your mind. You know what I'm saying,
You didn't know I could. I could go there. But
at the same time, it's still me if you will,
you know what I mean. But yeah, like I said,
just to answer your question in short, though, we gotta
do it for you.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
You know. It's funny too, because I was just.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
Kind of having a mental thought and I'm like, damn,
like who do I make music for? And I'm like,
you know what, Like I really can genuinely say that
I make music for me, like I make the music
that from my experience, and that like I kind of
want to listen to or I want to drive my
car to, or I want to feel flaed to, you
know what I mean. And then it's like everybody else's
(37:48):
kind of secondary. And I know that might feel that
might sound a little funny, but that is That was
the thought that I had when I made my first
body of work, Like there was nobody, there was no audience,
there was no fans, it was just me and my
four walls, and I'm like, this is dope.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Like I think this is tight, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So I stay.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I try to stay as close to that that place.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
As long as you've been in the game and all
the work that you've done over the years. I understand
the politics that comes into the music industry. It's it's
a very very fickle, very very uh dangerous industry from
a political standpoint. If there's one author that you would
love to work with that you haven't worked with, who
(38:32):
would it be?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I would love to work with Forrell.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
Rules because my phone is about to die telling me
I was.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
I was sleep for real, But yeah, Forrell, it's definitely
somebody who I've always wanted to work with.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
We've close passed many times, we just haven't been.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
A damn joy. Did you pay your did you pay
your light bill?
Speaker 7 (38:59):
All that? Yo?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yo? I don't I don't think you heard. I don't
think you understand. Like it's bedtime over here. You know
what I'm saying? Like lights out? Where you at?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We live at?
Speaker 7 (39:19):
I'm on the East Coast?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Okay, okay, well yeah so I'm up in New York.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Well you at the you you are at the birthplace,
the mecca of hip hop. Give me some of your
early influences. Who was influential that joy? Like you know what?
I want to do that?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Oh Jay No, Biggie mn dom.
Speaker 9 (39:45):
Uh Park like dang Ja Rue the Damager. I was
a big j rud the Damagers?
Speaker 7 (39:58):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Who else?
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Yea even R and B man Ship, a little ship
even more new generation, a little bow Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah. I was a kid in that era.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
So like seeing a little bad Wow do his thing.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That a lot for me because I was like, oh ship,
could I could do that? You know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah?
People people, people sleep on my boys. Shad, Shad deserves
way on your about was like that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, he had a beauty. He had a nice run. Boy,
he had a real nice run. Hey, hey, Joe, you
listening about you listened to Battle Rap? Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 9 (40:34):
I love I love battle rap, you know what I mean.
My man loaded Lux. I just had it back and
forth with the Homie Daylight.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Earlier this year. You know, they like they like.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Gotti is probably on my top five battle rappers as well,
along with the other two names I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, and I love the battle rap coaching. Man, Yeah,
I love that.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
So what's going on. What's going on with you in
the West Coast? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (41:02):
Oh we cool, we cool, we we we We had
we had a little you know, lyrile cool squabble. But
you know it wasn't about nothing. It was just you know,
everybody wanting to show that that they the best, right
you know.
Speaker 9 (41:20):
So yeah, we got we got down a little bit.
It was fun, but it was.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
You guys were still on that type of time. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (41:29):
Yeah, like I mean, listen, it was all in good
faith and I'm grateful for that, you know what I mean.
I made a statement at the beginning of the year
and one of my records, and some rappers on the
West Coast took offense to it. I didn't meet offense
to it, but at the same time, I respected their perspective,
and you know, we we.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
Pretty much just traded some bars.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Like made it better, made the better pin win.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Made the better pen win.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Indeed, indeed, indeed.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Do you kick it with? I mean, do you kick
it with anybody? Or you you you're soloist?
Speaker 9 (42:06):
I am by nature now in this phase of my life,
I do. I am solo a lot. But yeah, yeah,
like when you say anybody, you mean like rapper friends
type of.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Thing, Yeah, yeah, you got you know, the homies that
you kick it with.
Speaker 9 (42:20):
Oh yeah, you know j I d Is a great
friend of mine, Corday is a great friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
They sat ferg.
Speaker 9 (42:30):
Danzel Curry like those are those are my guys for real?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And then it's like, you know.
Speaker 9 (42:35):
I got I got a bunch of people just scattered
throughout the industry that, like, you know, a really solid
individuals and I've been rocking with for a long time for.
Speaker 7 (42:44):
Sure, But you know, you know how it is, like
you know, I said, man.
Speaker 9 (42:47):
You get to a certain age it's just it's just
not what it was in the early twenties and in
your team these years when it's like you hang with
people every day and stuff like that, it's like we.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
All got our own Like the older I get that,
you know, the do you see what Once you get
to a certain age, you get to pick your friends.
It like when you you know, you were in elementary school,
junior high, in high school and everybody just around, Oh
that's my friend, that's my friend. You get older, you
get to pick your friend, and you know that you
pick less and less of them.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah that's true. That's true. You got less time, you
got less time to vet them.
Speaker 9 (43:19):
That's the fact. I've always heard just the same. Pick
your friends like you pick your fruit because I'll be
I mean, I'll be in the food hour in the
grocery store.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
For a minute, like looking through. Yeah, that's why, that's why.
That's why you got to wash your fruit when you
get home. You hear what he's saying. The head in
his hand, he done thump that he done toast it
up like it's a tennis ball.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
You got to watch that Apple lott Hey check this out.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
You made your television television acting debut on a US network.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
You try to do any more acting?
Speaker 7 (43:53):
Oh not trying, brother, I am doing. Oh you doing,
absolutely doing.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (43:59):
I got some projects in the works right now that
I what's up necessarily revealed at the moment, but I'm
excited to share them when I can reveal. Like this
really big project I'm really excited about the shoot in
Paris next year, probably gonna be like, you know, one
of my I feel like this could be like, you know,
(44:19):
my real magnum opus in the film TV world, you know,
in Charlotte. But yeah, you know, raising Kanaan. We still
got one more season to go for that. That's been
a pleasure. And then I had the Netflix short a
few years ago to Just the Strangers that Want to
Oscar And yeah, a couple of projects in development as well.
(44:40):
So acting is definitely something that you know, I take serious.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, we want you to do it a favor. You know.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Oo Is is a lyricist. H he goes to you know,
do open where I know you remember the movie Love
Jones Trade.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
Uh uh.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Lareen's excuse me?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Uh and uh nea long so has been you know
going to these you know, just open you know these
uh spoken words.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, so uh, Joey, graded, We're.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Gonna let you great because you know you're the professor
and the lyricists and great penmanship.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
So great. Oh chose a spoken word. Let's go.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
Hey, listen, Joey, my pen is like that. Hold on less.
Let me getting carried. I'm a little I'm under the
weather right now. Let me get in Charriaedter, I bet
do you think you think long summer nights? They all
come to play. They're walking across the streets acting like
(45:46):
a straight She has an umbrella, but it's not even raining.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That's it. Thank you, thank you. I'm gonna give you
one of those, man.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yeah, appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You gotta you gotta keep it classing man. The funny
thing about it.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
The funny thing about it is people will hear what
I just said and not be able to visualize what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
There's a message behind that.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
Unless you in that in that mold and that spirit
and had that vision, you'll never understand what I say.
So you go back and listen to it again with
your eyes closed. Then the people in the chat you
understand what I'm going with it.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Then it comes to life.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Bingo, Yeah, everybody can't. They don't, they don't have my vision.
Speaker 9 (46:38):
Anybody can't go. Anybody can't get on that plane.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
But we just talked.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
We just talked about that.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
He has a tour.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Dark Aura starts off twenty five city headlining clicks off
October sixteenth in Boston. Uh new album drops August twenty ninth,
Lonely at the Top, Joy Badass, stop by, stop back
by and talk to him sometimes, and let me ask
you this.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Who you who you got this year? Who your team?
And why? Who's my team? And basketball? Football? Football all?
Speaker 9 (47:15):
Like you guys probably hate me when I say this,
but I don't really watch football. Bro Okay, yeah, I'm
I don't know. I'm the wrong person to talk to you.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Who are your basketball team? Who's your basket? Who you who? Team? Man?
Speaker 9 (47:28):
Like I'm always rooting for Lebron Man, I'm always rooting
for le Bron Big Lebron Man.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
Man.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
There you go. That's what we talk about. We're gonna
get you out here.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
We're gonna get you out here on that one George
Man Fest of Love, continue success Man, stop back by
and see her sometime.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Sorry, Sorry, it's so late, but this was, this was
we came on the way.
Speaker 9 (47:46):
Next time, I'm going to make sure I get my
power in that being like Ochoke sal make sure.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, we appreciate that, brother. Thanks for joining y'all. Much love,
Joey Badass Chat
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Dateline NBC
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New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!