Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Micah-Jerry war HEATING UP + Jaylon Johnson joins the show!

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Troy Aikman comments on Micah Parsons contract dispute, Patriots vs Giants preseason game & Jaylon Johnson joins the show and much more!

2:23 - Giants v Pats
20:31 - Steelers v Panthers
24:50 - Jerry Jones back on the bull
40:17 - Jaylon Johnson joins the show
59:27 - Troy Aikman on Micah Parsons’ leverage

 

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in the chat Giants O Joe jump jump right into it.
The Giants beat the Patriots. Jackson dark Shine in his
rookie preseason. His numbers across all three weeks he was
thirty two or forty seven, three hundred and seventy two yards,

(02:36):
four total touchdowns, zero interceptions. OJO, I told you he's
gonna be starting sooner than you think.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
He's gonna learn One thing, OYO, what is that? Get
your ass down?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Them guys you try a a A they comfort them
guys heavy and they fast.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
He gonna he gonna learn fast. He's gonna learn very fast.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
But you have to understand you say you're gonna start
sooner rather sooner than later. I do believe it, and
that that's to say if Russell Wilson doesn't play well,
But I think Russell Wilson is gonna be in great
command of that offense, especially with the weapons he has
around him. Listen, you put that ball in UNO's hands,
everything ain't gonna be fine. Put that ball in one's hands,

(03:18):
everything ain't gonna be fine. I don't think there's much
pressure on on Russell Wilson. And if they're gonna, if
they're gonna give him the job. I think Russell Wilson
makes it through this season and Jackson Dark starts next year.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
You don't think so.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
No, not the way this rookie played this preseason.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
And oh tall, you see the way he move in
the pocket. You see the throw that he's making.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
He can move now, he's nice.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, and then what thing you are not gonna do?
We're gonna give credit words due. Now, if you play bad,
we're gonna say you play bad. But hey, but if
you play good, we're gonna say, Man, get your popcorn
and watch this kid. I mean his command of the offense,
he's I mean his ability to push the ball down
the field, his ability he's from. And then all of
a sudden, he's like, oh, I forgot about my black back.

(04:03):
Waam throws it to the back. I said, you should
you show up on a rookie. Rookies don't normally play
like that. He plays with a lot of poinds. He
played a big time army. He'll throw push the ball.
I like guys to push the ball down the field.
All that short fishing. You ain't gonna catch no big
fish around the edge, the big fish out d Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Most of the time, especially for the rookies, you know,
they get themselves in rhythm, get the rhythm. They'll start
short just to just to get that confidence going, as
opposed to taking taking a deep shot. I remember, I
think was it maybe last week? It might have been
last week. It was third, it was third and shorter.
Maybe maybe they went for it on fourth down, and
he threw the goddamn deep ball. Yeah, throwing it short

(04:45):
for a touchdown. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
And who guess what, o Joe, who else knows that
you're a rookie, that you're probably not gonna push it
that ball down field early and you're gonna stay around
the shore. Decoordinators Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And they telling
their corner, they're telling.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
The crowded sit sit yep, because.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
They thinking like you think it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Coach, first of all, coach ain't gonna call anything that
he don't want to get too exotic.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
He want to let him warm up.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
We're gonna let him throw a smoke, let him throw
an out, let him throw a slant sit. Heyitch, they
gonna go get that ball every time. Uh but no,
I love, I love what I love what I've seen.
I don't want to get. But I think Brian dayball
and that staff is very pleased with the production that

(05:36):
Jackson dark displayed in the preseason. How can you not
four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean? Look like you said,
O Joe, I can teach you that son, get your
ass down, get down or get out of bounds. You
got two choices. You can get down or you can
get your ass out of bounds. These are we're gonna come,

(05:56):
put your ass on the car and you're gonna go
in the tent. Because you see what happened with what
happened on yr. Yeah, they came and got it and
they put it. They took his ass to the ten.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
But listen, based on his play this preseason Bengals, Bengals,
I'm thinking about its giants, fans, giants organization. His teammates,
they have to be very pleased. Yeah, very what they
saw from Jackson dark. But also I want to be
very cautious. Now, very cautious. Now this is you got

(06:26):
to understand who he was going against. Now when the
regular season stars is a different ball game, right there.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Oh for sure, it's not gonna be sweet, not gonna
be uh, it's.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Ain't a vanilla. They're gonna get you a lot. Hey, Hey,
they get you a lot of swirls. Hey, you go
to basket Robbins. It ain't flavored. There's coverages you're gonna get.
It ain't thirty one flavor. There's thirty one coverages.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's a different ball game.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
It is.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
It is.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Absolutely. The intensity picks up, the urgency picks up. The
speak coaches all that, all that.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Hey, the coaches they're explaining things to you in a
nice calm tone.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
That it shot the window.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah m hm.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Hey, And that's what one of the coaches told me
my rookie year. You know, we still cut it, just
coss the season. That don't mean you can't get cut
right sometimes, you know, sometimes guys relax on yoe.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Oh man, maybe it's out a trading camp.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
They'll cut week one all the way all the way
through the week seventeen eighteen even Hey, I've seen guys
get cut in the postseason.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, it could be your day, damn in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Well look here, man, we are a well look here,
they don't play.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh, Joe, I look, you know what it might have
been the like it might not have been the postseason,
you know, practice squad guy or something like that. But
I see, But but I'm talking about got bet guys
late in the season.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh man, that Mike shannandnt play.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
It wasn't no loafing.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
It wasn't no walking when he say, I don't know
how y'all did it, O Yoe.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
But when we change drills, oh you had to get
a move on.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Got a little pepper. Gotta have a little peppery your step.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Nobody walks but the mail man. That's why he doesn't
make what you make. You run to where you gotta go.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I like that, Okay, I like that.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
All right, Okay, some people don't understand that, and that's
no disrespect to the mail man. Hey, you guys do
an unbelievable job. We appreciate your service, although you don't.
Kind of like with Amazon and all these other carriers,
they dab put y'all out of business. But this kid

(08:50):
Jackson dark O Joe, Oh yeah, I like what I'm
saying now, I'm like you, I want to see him
against some real competition.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Hey, when you go, you gotta you gotta make those alignments,
those adjustments. Yes, defenses, I mean linemen of stunning defensive
disguising what they.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Really want to do.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
And yeah, you might think it's you might think it's
covered one, and you might think it's cover three, and
all of.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
A sudden you go to go to man, it's.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Go to quarter, they go to seven, they go to six,
they go to six, kick they have have Have you
go to cover five?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Have your brain out there, fried.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, clouding it. M Yeah, just be out there banjoin
but Joe, because you know I'll be I'll be trying
to let ay because that was the way they be
out there doing this right here. That means they banjo,
and that means they're gonna they're gonna double somebody. I'm like,

(09:52):
it never really dawned on.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Me that what the sick you know, I'm just I'm
just out there.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Like what they doing right right.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Or you know you see them doing locking it? Hey,
so I just got a kick. I guess got a
kick out of that where people say, hey.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Man, it don't matter, it don't matter if you know
what to do.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
The hell you say you let me know, y'all gonna
be a couple of hours that though, y'all gonna be
a quarters of single high safety, a six kick.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
The hell you say.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Bad?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Please?

Speaker 1 (10:27):
But Tommy DeVito, Oh Joe, Tommy DeVito. Yeah, seventeen to
twenty buck ninety three three tugs. A Jackson Dark came
in six to twelve eighty one yards a tub. Jameis
Winston came in for eight mop up forty seven and
a toub.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Listen, we talked this might be the second team we
talked about a team carrying four quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
This might be another team that might carry four.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't think so, old Joe ya, because you know why,
because who's James. Jameis is making four million, Russ is
making good money. Russ he was making how much money?
Ash ten fifteen? See, it's not like Cleveland, because what
you call going to make him five million? Kenny Pickett's
was making what he's making. And then you got two rookies.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Okay, so so what you're saying, well, what you're saying,
who's the odd man out?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Then?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Oh, so he got one year ten to five, which
is probably as much as a flack coin picket making together.
And then you throw Jamis's four million a year because
I think he did two years nine million, so four
and a half.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So you look at fifteen million between two quarterbacks. So
I mean, so who's don't.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Think you think they keep you think they keep telling me, well,
obviously you know they're not getting rich Jackson dark You
think they keep Tommy de Vido or they released him
and trying to sign them back to the practice squad.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Probably signing back to the practice squad. But I see
them doing that.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I see them doing the same thing that that the
Browns are probably gonna do for some reason, For some reason,
I just do. And then we talked about James Is
Winston heard you heard personnel or was that the owner
that came out and said absolutely not, He's not going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I don't want to say that.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I'm about James Winson.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
You're talking about married John Marra.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, great locker, great locker room presence,
great team guy.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I knew, I knew. I knew James wasn't going nowhere,
absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
But forty two ten. You don't want to go out
on a note like that. But you know, o Joe,
you and I we talked about this early in this week. Unfortunately,
a lot of kids dreams, I say kids, the kids,
they old enough to be my kids, old enough to
be the young Well let me take that back, they're
young enough to be our kids. I'm pretty sure I'm

(12:50):
older than most of their moms and dads. But with
that being said, a lot of these young men's dreams
come to an end tonight. Some will get an opportunity
to go be on a practice squad somewhere else. Some
might get an opportunity to go to Canada play in
the UFL. But for a lot of them, Mocho, the
realization that this is over something I've been doing since

(13:14):
I was seven eight years old. Did it at the
pe wee level, did at the JV level, high school level,
college level.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
My dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, that's tough because this is probably the first time,
Mojo that someone has told these young men you're not
good enough. Think about it. They've always been the best. Yeah,
they were their best on their Pop Warner. There was
based on their flag football team, their JV football team,
their high school basketball, a football team, the college, and

(13:49):
then it's a numbers game. You're not good enough. That's
the realization of OJO. That's the realization. I mean, I'm
not trying to be chat I'm not trying to be dramatic,
because I know what it's like to be on pins
and needles that last game, that last preseason game, and

(14:10):
you your name is on the.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Board to be released. My name was on the board
to be released.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Hold on, let me let me tell you.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Let me tell you what about the last preseason game.
I'm talking about what we were playing the last preseason game.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
I remember. I would I would be walking.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
In and the person who did the cutting and letting
players know as they come in the building was Lippy Lippincott.
I'm not I'm not, I haven't. I don't know if
he's still with the Bangles or not. And I you know,
I would always come in early after the preseason game
to come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub,
get my body back, get my body back. We rejuvenated

(14:48):
and fresh, and I would see lippy standing there right
at the door and just thinking to myself, man, so
he's collecting the playbook, you know, to go up and
see the.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Coach yep, before the meetings even start. I'm like, man,
that's tough, man.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
And then hard knocks, hard knocks, hard knocks made it
a reality and allowing people.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
To see, Yeah, people actually you know, get cut and
how and how that side of it works, and it is.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's heartbreaking, it said as it is. Yeah, it's the
reality of the game.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
That's reality. You got to show you both sides.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
You just see the plug GUIDs making plays, scoring touchdowns,
the camaraderie on the field and the meeting rooms and
things like that. But there's another side of this that somebody,
some young man men, their dreams. This dream is not
going to come true, and you have to reshift, refocus

(15:48):
a lot of it. You know, you're disciplined because you
have to be somewhat disciplined to play football, because you
got you know, you got study, haul, you got when
you work out, you got practice, when you got to
be there for the plane ride, when you got to
be there for the bus ride. How you have to dress.
So there's a certain level of structure, and a lot
of these young men lives, so you know, some you

(16:09):
know a structure is is not their strong suit because
they do everything they can, oh you the buck against it.
But most most of these men, they do have structure
because you've kind of been in the structured environment for
the better part of your life and so it should

(16:29):
be you know, you a if you go back and
go into the workforce, the actual nine to five, you know,
you got to be to work at a certain time.
You know the task that you're asked to do, you
just go get it done. But that's the that's the
unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Dreams of playing.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
And that's the thing, you know, for every o Cho
Sinko and a Shannon Sharp or a Stirling Sharp or
somebody that that came up the less than favorable or
improverished conditions, there are a lot of people that came
from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to
play in the NFL. Oh Joe that got the opportunity
that you and I got, and that was as far as
they got was training camp.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's tough, man, it is it is.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
I think it's a good thing. I think it's also
a good thing for fans to be able to see
the entire process, not just to finished product on Sundays,
actually see what players have to go through, the sweat,
the tears, the being on pins and needles, the pressure
of having to go out there in the preseason knowing that, Okay,

(17:36):
I have two or three games where I have to
make a name for myself, if not here, maybe somewhere else.
If I don't make it here, No, that that's tough.
It is because then also you got to do everything
you want to do. You want to be perfect, and
most of the time when you press and you try
to be perfect.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
What's the one thing you always do? You mess up?
Mess up, you mess up. You can never you can
never play freely.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I mean, you had your best when you're playing free
without nothing to worry about.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Now you got to go try to learn a new offense,
a new defense. But here's the thing, Oh Joe, there's
two thousand and three thousand applicants for that four or
five jobs. How many wide receivers are gonna get released,
how many tight ends, how many offensive linemen, how many
running backs, how many quarterbacks? dB D lineman, linebackers, corners, safeties.

(18:28):
So you got two thousand applicants, probably got ten fifteen positions.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
And that that goes to show how great the one
percent is.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, that how great the one percent is.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yes, you think about how many kids graduate each year
from high school. Now, think about how many of those
go to college to play aff sport. Now just think
in forty five years, how many them get an opportunity
to go play at the next level and said sport.
Now you understand what you're dealing.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
With very small.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Only there's only a fifty three man roster.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Now you think about a fifty three man roster of
a million of a million kids that graduated. So let's
just say, for the sake of argument, let's just say
a half a million of them.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Got a men right out of five hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
When you realize how special you got to be to
be a professional athlete, forget, obviously there's some you know,
obviously basketball is even harder because guess what, O, Joe,
you got fewer slots. Baseball is even harder because you
got few there's only fifteen spots on a basketball team.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Ohoe, you only got fifteen. You only got fifteen players.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Think about it. You're starting offense, your starting defense. You
got twenty that's more than an entire basketball team. Baseball
you got twenty nine. That's twenty four. That's twenty four
less than a football team. So you see, as the
percentage as the players go down, Yeah, so does the

(20:19):
percentages of you making it.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I'm just telling what it is, o't yo.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yes, yeah, I mean listen, it's the hardest truth. Yes,
it's the hardest truth.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Steelers beat the Panthers defensive lives off of the potentially
significant loss to Rickey first round of Dereck Harmon was
carted off the field with the knee injury and quickly
ruled out. Mike Tomin told reporters that is a spring
knee and the injury is still being evaluated. I think,
O yo, that's kind of why. You know, you don't

(20:53):
see a lot of the key guys play guys. Maybe
maybe they just didn't voice it, but the guys did.
I don't remember the coach of being concerned like that
because they threw our ass out there.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Oh yoya. They weren't concerned. They weren't concerned, And I mean, listen,
it's football at the end of the day. It's football
no matter what.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
And if someone, to me, honestly, the way I think
that someone is gonna get hurt, they're gonna get hurt.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
It's inevitable.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
You can't get hurt going full speed.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
It's it's a contact sport.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
You can you can, you can protect a player all
you want, but when it's time to play football, if
they're going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
You can't protect or stop that. You can, Okay, I'm
gona hold you out in preseason.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
You can go out there in the regular season and
still get hurt the same way we might would just
get out there and just play football.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
No, oh Joe, it used to be football is a
collision sport. Yeah, because you got big men running in
the bigger men at a high rate of speed.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
That was me.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
That was me.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
And Marlin Olson. I think once said football is a
lot like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I would survival if I don't know if you saw that.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I read that article that they did and when they
interviewed I think guys with the guys that got drafted
in nineteen ninety eight in nineteen eighty eight, two years.
So guys that came in in eighty eight, their average
age is about sixty two.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Oh, Jo, all of them.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Something heard, memory loss, get agitated, X, Y, and Z.
Nine out of ten say they do it all over again.
People ask me, knowing.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
What you know now?

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Yeah, absolutely, you think I wouldn't, man, please, man, please, And.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Matter of fact, I'm just just thinking about it.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
If I had the opportunity to do it all over again,
knowing what I know now, I would have added some
mold to it.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I would have added some more little seasoning. I love partially. Oh, man, man,
I would listen.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Hey, Paul Taglabu and Roger Goodell think I gave him
hell if I not what I know now, man, please
to be.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
If I could go back and do it over again,
knowing what I know now, I would enjoyed it more.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Oh, instead of being so serious.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, I was so tone of vision. I was so focused.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
All I thought about was somebody taking my job, my
grandmother not being able to do what she did, not
been able to That's it. I did enjoy the journey.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I was just.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I tried, but it would keep me off the destination,
I would get sidetracked. So that's what I would do
different if I could do it, but obviously I can't.
That's why they say you're supposed to live a life
with no regret. I don't regret it, but I would
do knowing what you know now. That's the magnificent science

(24:34):
of hindsight is knowing today what you didn't know yesterday.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Is that.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I would definitely do it different. But first round pick
Dereck Harmon knee injury being a value by Tom to
say he will be evaluated.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh Joe, Jerry Jones just can't help himself.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Take a listen to what Jerry told Michael Irvin about
the Michael Parkson's situation.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
They're in here make their percentage. Uh, they're in here
to Uh basically, yes, advise, my advise Michael. Come over
to the office and I'll show you exactly what I offered.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Michael.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
We got it in the back. It's uh, with all
written down everything to go come down and look at that.
I would get over there, look at it.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
You sure, absolutely look at it.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
Here's my entire point. My point who is that basically
says this is ultimately recognizing we're trying to come together
for an agreement, but absolutely who is it to God
that can go with? And so the facts are, I
don't know that I've ever been around. I've never tried
to buy anything. I've never tried to do anything that

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I actually was going to bring all of the services
and somebody else was going to do all the money.
But because was the in between, guys, wasn't exactly the
guy that I had fit there that came from. That's
exactly what's happening here so many times in this in

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this industry.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Oh Joe, Yeah, what you did hear him say is
what I've been telling you. He said, Michael Parks is
on the contract for three more years, So that tells
you he's in the contract this year, and I got
two franchise tags. I'm not afraid to use him. Yeah,
he said the quiet part finally out loud.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, well, listen, he says a lot of things out
loud that that are supposed to be supposed to remain quiet.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I also heard some things that he said listen to
that I saw.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
I saw a clip on Twitter Jerry Jones saying that
David how he says the agent's last name letter B
letter said he told him he could take the contract
and show it. And I heard Ryan Clark respond to
that because Ryan obviously called Dave the ass, Right did
you tell Jerry that?

Speaker 3 (27:06):
And obviously he said everything Jerry's is saying it wasn't true.
It was a lie. And this is one of the.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Tactics that Jerry uses, Yes, which is one of the
ways that he continues the fool fans in general, just
and Jenny, and he has everybody on their side by
coming out and saying, I gave Micah a contract that
was going to making the highest paid at his position,
a non quarterback.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Jerry, At what point do owners do deals with the player?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Jerry?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's not business, right, that's not how like a business?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Oh, Joe, I give you a prime example, Jerry. Just
like you guys have Roger Goodell. He's the mild piece
for the owners, right. We understand that he works at
the best of the owners. That's why I don't get
mad at Roger Goodell. Everybody get mad at Roger Godell, said, man,

(28:02):
Roger did this. Roger did nothing that those thirty two
owners didn't want him to do. Yeah, when he got
cauld y'all remember when he got mad at when Jerry
got mad at Roger for suspending Zeke. They had already
approved his financial package. Jerry held it up. Arthur Blank said,

(28:24):
we already approved this. We're not now, we're not doing this, Jerry.
Jerry said, I want to know why the mad Jerry
had already signed off on it. All the owners had
already signed off on it that needed to sign off
on it. But Jerry got mad because Roger suspended Zeke.
Jerry held a package up, and they used to have

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a big six Jerry Jones, mister Craft, Daniel Snyder, a
few other guys.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
They kind of that was Roger's right hand right.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
They kind of ran the show that all the owners,
you know, a thirty two, but you know some have
a little bit more influence than others.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, a little bit more power.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm not surprised. I don't
know why, Jerry, Michael. That's why you have to be careful.
See you go, you went in there thinking, yo, just
ay you doing something? A little leadership. He started talking numbers.
Jerry think y'all got a deal? You just think you
guys talking about leadership and a what you need to

(29:31):
do to get better, and.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
You know what, you know what's funny. You know what
the owner's gonna always do. They gonna always lowball you too. Now, yeah,
they're gonna always lowball you. And the fact that Michael Parsons,
as smart as he may be, as smart as he
may be when it comes to that contracts and that
fine print in that language, or you don't know nothing

(29:54):
about that.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
If he wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, ojo,
if you wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Richard
Sherman ended up doing it. Lamar and his mom ended
up doing I think they had an attorney. Somebody read
over the fine France say okay, this blah blah blah. Okay,
that's fine, but Michael has given no indication. Well, if
that's the because Michael, I think, if I'm not mistaken,

(30:15):
I think he's been with athletes first, uh, since he
came out. You know, Michael's got an agent. Yeah, but
you try to excuse me. You tried to circ convent
the agent. So you tried so in other words, he
tried to do a back alley deal, backdoor d O
O joe.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
But you can't do that that's bad business.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Jerry.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
First, the NFL is the NFL and the nfl PA's
fault because Jerry knows he's not supposed to negotiate contracts.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
He knows that.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
But the nfl PA, with their weak asses, allow it.
The NFL that that's afraid of Jerry Jones because he'll
sue them, just like Al Davis.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
So they let him do it.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Wait, Jerry sue who the illeague.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
The same way.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Jerry Jones is the only arnor the only thing that
he's that. He's a part of the what they call
it revenue sharing the TV. He has his own merchandise
deal with everybody who with Coke, he's with Pepsi with
everybody with Rebok, he's with Nike.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Hey boy, he running it and he run his own program.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Man.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
That's that's how David And you know what the game
that he's playing right now, it lets me know because
I got his fans all over Twitter to see see
Jerry's gonna make Micael the highest paid and they really
don't understand the game he's playing.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Fans don't understand. They they falling forward.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
So let me get this straight.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Because he said, like come on, man, y'all, how much
is how much is a Miles Garrett guaranteed? So without
even know it because at the time, Miles Garrett contract
wasn't done, right, hej Watt contract wasn't done. The highest
paid with the guaranteed money was Nick Bosa. So you
mean to tell me sight unseen he was willing to

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go to a number that's more than Miles Garrett. Miles
Gary got one hundred and twenty four million guaranteed. What
was Nick Bosa's guarantee? Because at the time because Nick Bosa,
so Nick did Max Crosby. Then the Dale Hunter's the

(32:38):
what's the total to one forty? So Miles Garrett got
one forty a one sixty forty a year, one twenty four.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Four for one sixty.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Bosa got five for one seventy, which is about thirty
about thirty four million a year. Then if my math
serves me correct, Okay, I'm.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Just hey boy, Jerry shot out, bro Jerry tried to
hit Michael with a little banana in the tailpipe.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
And you see what he does. You see what he did,
don't Joe? He put it out there like you said,
and fans look at Michael. Look what he got out
there TVD and' that's what he says.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Oh, he put up a little freer Michael Michael seven eight.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
He said, even if I fall, I will rise. The
Lord is my life. Hey, that's Michael getting Michael getting biblical.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Hey, and you know it's serious.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
You know it's serious when you start going.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
To the you know, to the scriptures.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Here are he removed all cowboy stuff from his social Yeah,
hold on, hold on, I ain't see that.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Look, I know David, I know his agent a little bit.
Spoke to him.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I don't speak to him as much now, but I
used to speak to him fairly, a fairly decent amount.
This doesn't sound like him now. I don't want to
be I don't want to be the one that says
what a person will or won't say. Oh Joe, But
I'm just said in my interactions with him, he doesn't
come off as that type of person to me, right, Jerry,

(34:33):
Jerry is trying to sway public opinion. Put that out there, Hey,
the public, Hey, Michael being greedy. Michael ain't no team
Michael's not a team player, because if he's a team player,
he would take this deal, leave some money for somebody else,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
And because they listen, they eating it up. Yep, they
eat it up, not knowing that's the game. That's the
that's the game, and they don't see it that way.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
They just see it what. It's one sided. Because if
you're a Cowboy fan, Lord, you're a Cowboy fan.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
You're not a Michael Parson. You're Michael Parsons fan because
he plays for the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Boy. So therefore if he goes somewhere else, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
It's oh man, it's crazy, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
It is.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
It's a game. Game and Jerry knows how to play
it very well.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yes, because you've been playing it longer than Michael. Michael's
twenty six Jerry on the Cowboys since nineteen eighty nine,
so that end and of itself. Plus, Jerry Jones has
been this businessman. He knows business. That's why, michaeh how
an agent. You hire people that know what you don't.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
And you know what the funny thing is when it
comes that this kind of business with this kind of money, Yeah,
it's not fair.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
It's not fair.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
And negotiations will expose people for who they truly are
and how they really feel about you. When it comes
you think your value is right, Well, damn, that's how
you really feel about me? Well, hell, Jerry already said,
or you let mikeel know how you feel about you?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
He said, would you see in your mind? He said
it out loud, He.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Said, okay, oh Joe, okay, what you what? Y'all agree?
Y'all ain't agreed to Ain't no ink on no paper? No, no,
Oh Joe, did you realize at one point in time,
Google tried to sell itself.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Google tried to sell itself for a billion? They said, nah,
we're good.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
I think it was y'all who said, nah, that's too much,
realized that made a mistake, came back, tried to buble again.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
It said, nah, okay, it wasn't no ink on no paper, right?

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Who's that about?

Speaker 7 (36:58):
You?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Met about you? Who about you? Google?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Google?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
About YouTube? About y'all?

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Full little of nothing? Google?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
How much YouTube revenue it generates for Google every twenty
one days?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Just google that?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Wait what I put?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
See how much Google paid to buy YouTube?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Now see how much money YouTube generates and ree and advertising.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Google acquired YouTube in two thousand and six for one
point six.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Billion.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Okay, one point six billion, not Google, how much advertise?
How much money Google generates and advertising revenue just in
every twenty one days?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
What the fuck?

Speaker 7 (37:57):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, how many? How much to Joe?

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Five billion?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Okay, h goy, leave yesterday's price a today's price.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Man.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Google had a nine hundred ninety six zero point five
billion fourth quarter revenue. Mm hmmm, not the first three
the fourth quarter. That's that's a different world, or that's

(38:51):
a different world where Yep, that's a whole different world.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Now you see what I'm getting at. Yeah, So, Jerry,
what you thought the price was in March? It main
wasn't no new contract. That ain't what the price is
in August September. But I told you what he's gonna do.
I said, Oh, Joe, the problem that that he has.
That that's why the first thing I said, get away
with the franchise tag. Oh yeah, you want the money

(39:21):
to go off exponentially, get away with the French get away,
do away with the franchise tags.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yep, that should be.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
That should be the first thing gone first, and the
second should be the goddamn help lifetime benefits yep, health benefits.
And then we'll work on the guarantee contracts labs. But
in that, in that, in that specific order.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
You can't have free agency if somebody still controls your
right mm hmm, that could franchise you. No, no, but
hopefully uh Mike and the Cowboys get this thing worked out.
He gets a number that he's feel comforted, that he

(40:09):
feels comfortable with, and everybody's happy with, because that's where
it comes That's what it comes down to. Okay, Oh Joe,
we got a very special guest joining us tonight. We
got two time Pro Bowl cornerback from the Chicago Bears,
Jalen Johnson?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
JJ? What do you do?

Speaker 5 (40:28):
What's that have been living?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Man? I'm doing great, man? How are you living?

Speaker 5 (40:33):
I'm good. I ain't gonna lie to tell you I'm
tired of him.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, hold on, hold on, y'all have practice. Y'all got
a game tomorrow, y'all, game tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
On Saturday tomorrow. We in KC right now.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Okay, but y'all, but it's it's slow buggy now.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Yeah, no, it's slow boogey. You gotta have that steak
dinner though. I got that, I got the hi is,
I done, got out the shower and everything. I'm ready
to go.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Oh oh, you're right ready to lay it down. Okay,
listen the Bears defense, Oh yo on. We saw you
guys the other night. You guys wore flying around offense
looked really good. Defense was getting after people. What have
you been most of? What has Ben Johnson coming over
from the Lions? What has he been able to steal?
Because instealing you guys, because you guys look different. I

(41:17):
know it's pre season and I want to I don't
want to get too carried away, Jay, but you guys
look different. You guys look different.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
I think the message is different.

Speaker 8 (41:26):
Honestly speaking, I feel like it's one of those things
where talking to him personally and listening to him in
the team meetings, he's he's like he's one of us
talking and when he gets up there, it's not like, Okay, yeah,
we're gonna go out here, we're gonna execute, and it's like, nah,
it's just about whooping the guys in front of you,
like really like dominating and it's stealing like your will.
And I think really just preaching that that goes a

(41:48):
long way, because I mean, I feel like even in
Detroit for a long time, they didn't have talented guys
but they had a lot of guys that had great
as they like to say over there and guys that
work hard, that are tough and things like that.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
So it's like him that that that fits him, so
just really coming for us. And I mean even Dennis
Allend he's telling defense then that we live every day
in practice.

Speaker 8 (42:05):
So just really that mentality as far as going and
playing physical, it's like really just honestly overdoing it really
is the thing that we think of really in the
defensive room, and really what we said like total line,
total line between going too far and and and really
pushing the limits.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Have you have you been able to tell the difference
in Kayleb Williams the way he commands the offense, the
way he's playing with Ben Johnson atter him calling the place.
Is he is he carrying himself with a little bit
more confidence as opposed to how he did last year?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Can you can you sense that a little bit in camp?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (42:41):
For sure, I think really before camp kind of coming
in of course off the rookie year, it was it
was tough to losing straight the instability and all the
drama that came with of course his first year. So
I mean really just coming into that second year, having
all that adversity really under your belt. There's really no
worse that you can do. I feel like outside of
what happened with us, So I feel like just really

(43:01):
for him going back to the drawing board, getting better
and then just coming to the building ready to work.
But I mean for him it's always he's always been confident.
I think it's that that that's not something that's ever
gonna change. I think it's just now about execution.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Jay, you one of the few vets last year that
you called out your teammates. You didn't just say put
it all on the coaches. You put it on players also.
So you can lead a horse to water, but you
can't you can't make him drink. It's like, you know,
some of these guys lack motivation. What were you trying
to say without calling out any specific names your message?
Were you trying to get across to your teammates like

(43:35):
they're putting up he's probably this coach is gonna lose
his job. But if guess what, if you guys don't
pick up your plate, if you don't get better habits,
the next coach gonna come in here, he'll lose his
job too.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Yeah, No, that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 8 (43:48):
And I feel like a lot of times guys getting
the league's all men, this coach is this man, they
they playing me and they doing this like, nah, it's you.
Like for me, I'm one of those guys where it's
like if we not if we getting beat on defense,
that means I'm getting beat individually, that means we all
getting beat collectively as a unit.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
It's not necessarily the scheme.

Speaker 8 (44:07):
And no we had bad eyes and the dude, we
let a guy go free, or I didn't win my matchup,
whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
I don't think it's always fair to say.

Speaker 8 (44:14):
Now, there's THEMN some coaches that can put you in
bad positions, But I think for me, my biggest thing
was always look at yourself first. And for us, I
f like we didn't have guys that exhausted every everything
I fly after practice.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
That'll tell you really what you have in the team.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
How many guys are catching one hundred plus passes on drugs,
how many guys are working on technique, how many d
linemen are doing their past rushing drills, how many receivers
are working on releases.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
With the DBS. To me, all that goes without being
having to be told to you.

Speaker 8 (44:43):
So I think for me that's my biggest thing is like, Nah,
we can't call somebody else out, or we call ourselves out.
We gotta look at us and then put the work
in individually, and then we can start pointing the fingers
somewhat to everybody else.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm looking at you, guys.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Man.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Last year, you guys had some guys on some close games.
I mean you you literally snatched defeat from the Joseph victory.
I don't know how you guys did it.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
You had to get it.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
You guys had a game bears doesn't a few times.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
So let me ask you a question, Like when you
on the field at Washington and you're like, man, ain't
no way he could throw this ball this far.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Okay, but if he does, we gonna knock it down.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Or you see a situation where you have several games
that you guys were winning late in the ball game
and you end up losing. How frustrating is that when
a team young like yourself trying to win but seemingly
find ways to lose.

Speaker 8 (45:38):
I know, Washington, that one still hurts me because they
showed all the damn time from that one, all the
other ones you kind of can forget about. But I
think just really in that moment, it's about maturity and
having that composure.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
I feel it's really just about composures.

Speaker 8 (45:54):
I feel I got times you let the moment get
too big and the execution slips. I feel even on
the hell may of course my dog wasn't locked in
on the other side, but I feel like even before that,
I feel like there's some things that we could have
been locked in and focused on in that moment, practicing.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Let that man get yard out what I ain't gonna
go ahead jab.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
But it's really just stuff like that. Even late in
the game.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
I know we had I think it was a close
game with Green Bay, before Minnesota, Detroit, all those teams
of course divisional games. But I think it really just
comes down to that poise in the moment, that poison
executed when it comes down to it, Because I mean,
I feel like, again every team goes over situational ball.
It's not something that is a lack of knowledge. It's
just really a lack of poison execution in that moment.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
But that comes with experience. So hopefully we don't keep
having those same mistakes.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Looking at your offensive line, they reap.

Speaker 8 (46:50):
What you got going, Onya, this ispanos say hellopanosanos.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, that little bit he said. Hold on what you
try to say, Jay, what you tried to say?

Speaker 5 (47:06):
All right, he's gonna get bigger, he gonna stay that side.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
No, this is it.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Come on, I don't know what you got.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
This is big, the big with upstairs that he is paying.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
He's sleep understood.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Do you think you see offensive line? That's my point.
I look at what you did offensively. You guys went
and got three a little I think three new starters.
Caleb Williams. You drafted tight end in the first round
to go with co commit with Dj Moore, you got,
I mean the kills you got guys at a Roman
dudes a your first round draft pick. Offensively, you guys

(47:42):
should be better. But you do realize, Jay, if the
offense gets better, that doesn't mean you get to take
a step back.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
You have to meet them where they are.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Yeah, for sure, that I think too. For us in
Chicago were defensive city. So I mean they mean that's
where we're at.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Okay, that's what's up.

Speaker 8 (47:59):
That's what we're not worried about. Matching matching them on
what they're doing. So I think for us just really
just keeping that that's our that's our culture. I mean tough,
gritty Chicago bar. I mean it starts with the defense,
so we're not really tripping. I mean, Dennis Our leading
the hell of a hell of a defense.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
At bit.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
I love me some d A right now. He ain't
he ain't.

Speaker 8 (48:21):
He ain't running me wrong yet, So I love da
our Hairris of course is the DB's coaching, teaching us
and really showing us how to take the ball away.
So I mean for us on defense, we we're not
worried about setting that setting that standard.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
We're gonna push the bar a little bit.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Hey, listen, you being one of the better man the
man DB's in the NFL, right, I ask you your
your opinion on who you think the top five receivers
are in the game right now and the most difficult
challenge for you to cover so.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Farve top five. I feel like top five you gotta
put some details on. Is it just skill? Are we
going off production how you want to? I mean like
it's kind of different.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
You fake? What about the ones you face?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Let's go, let's go all the guys you face, you
could you can?

Speaker 5 (49:04):
You can?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
They still top five based off those you face?

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Uh, I would say no order, I would say justin.
I say a J. Brown, I'll go to ree Kill.
That's three mm hmmm that I faced. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I don't know if you see I'm Rock because he's
main in the slot.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Yeah, I would say it's it's it's tough because he's good.
I think for me, I don't. I just don't get
enough reps against him. Jamar.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
I only seen him when he was a rookie early
in the season, so I haven't really seen seen him.
But I would still throw Jamar in my top five
for sure.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Four not for five.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
This would be I probably I would say ceedee Lamb
is in my top five. I know as far as covers,
I would throw Mike Evans in there. He's definitely giving
me some problems, especially early in my career. Yeah, those
are probably the hardest guys on top of my top
five in Gune.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Okay, there's dope. Listen.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
I know you had your team goals, you know what
you want to do defensively, are you Are you allowed
to tell us any individual goals you might.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Have for this season.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Well, yeah, that ain't against no rules from what I.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Na me.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I know some people, some people don't don't want to disclose,
you know what the individual goals are.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
So I mean I just I'm all yeah, no, I'm
all good. I gotta memorized now.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
I know.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
I want to have seven interceptions, three force fumble.

Speaker 8 (50:40):
So I want to have ten turnovers, fifty percent completion
or lower than fifty percent, no touchdowns allowed.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
And then what was my last one?

Speaker 8 (50:54):
What was my last stat I think I was like
seven or so TFLs and then it's like I'm missing
one more. I think it was three hundred, no more
than three hundred yards giving up in the season.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
I like that defensive score pick six scoop and score
all three touchdowns. That was the last one. That was
the last one, three touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Hey, what did you do?

Speaker 5 (51:19):
He said, what did you?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
What did you do different this year to make those
goals a reality?

Speaker 5 (51:25):
About a jugg machine, about a judging machine forself?

Speaker 8 (51:30):
Definitely just getting my catches in. And it's crazy because
it's like being in dB. You don't you're not really
taught to catching techniques and how to track the ball.
What part of the ball to track to look at
you just kind of just go out there and catch it.
But it's like when I was on the jug seeing it,
We're kind of looking at different things. I'm like, nah,
you really gotta.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
See see the tip, like you see the tip you falls.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. You know, I
ain't saying nothing. I wasn't saying a word. Do you
clean that up?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Good?

Speaker 8 (52:00):
I'm told, Hello, seeing the point in the point of
the football, yeah yeah, yeah helps you.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, it helps you.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Helped you catch it a lot better. You can see
you can catch us.

Speaker 8 (52:11):
I think for me that's been the biggest thing, getting
reps at that, and then really everything else is always
working on technique, make sure I'm in position. But other
than that, it's really just a mind a mindset going
and seeing the ball and the balls and their going
to go get it.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I think the thing is is that you have to
think because as a dB you're taught to knock the
ball down. You have to retrain the way you think
you got like I got to go catch this ball.
As a receiver, we're taught you'll catch it. We ain't
trying to not. I mean, obviously if the balls go
about to be intercepted. We talked to knock it down,
but you're more mainly talked more so to knock it
down than catch it. So now you have to retrain yourself.
You see guys that get a lot of picks. You

(52:44):
see like a like a Dion or Rod Wilson chalk.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
They like, no, no, no, no, no no. Did you
play wide receiver when you at any point in time
did you play?

Speaker 3 (52:51):
In high school?

Speaker 8 (52:52):
I had a little package or something, but I was
I played defense, always, defensive specialists.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Because most guys like playing quarterback with a wide receiver
or something.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
That that was a dB.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
So they crazy, it's a lot easier to catch the
office and defense. I promise you that it is.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
And I don't know why, but I feel like when
I play receivers like that, it's easy to like, I
didn't really drop too many passes, but when I gott
and get on defense, I feel like it's a lot.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
It's a lot different.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Because you and you do realize on offense when the
ball is coming your way, we're actually trying to throw
it to you.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
See you when the ball coming your way, that you
cover it.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
Love that love that.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Hey I got I got one more question, one more question.
Normally normally playing dB. Obviously I'm a huge fan. I'm
a huge fan of dB play. How do you know
when to take chances when you know what's coming, based
on alignment, based on tendencies that you see watching film?

(53:53):
How do you know when to take those chances? So basically,
think about the South Eastamy on film. I'm going with it, Yeah,
getting axceptions. He would always jump stuff because Okay, I
know I saw this, I saw this on film.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
I know how you know when to take those chances
and when not to.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Honestly, I feel like it's not as simple as that.

Speaker 8 (54:15):
I like, if you know, you know, and I'm like,
if you don't, then you gotta someone be play reaction
in that game from there. But I think a lot
of times when you not even when you study, when
you look at the game. And for me, I've learned
this as I've gotten older. In the game, it's like
the offense is based on timing and spacing. So it's
like if you can understand their formations and the spacing
at their end and you can get your read on

(54:37):
the quarterback to getting the timing of the routes, because
I mean you're not going to get a three step
and then he's.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Running the nine ball.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
I mean that he's probably not gonna get the ball
in depending if you're playing off man, at least if
you're playing off So it's like really matching it up
to where it's okay, if I can read the quarterback
get my three step, read, he's either got a hits,
he got a slant, and really that's about it. So
it's I have no really no need to move. I
think the biggest thing is the confidence. And I don't

(55:03):
even say jump believe what you see, yeah, and taking
it away. I think because when you sit there and
you see that guy running full speed, and I know
receivers like to work on the deception and come off hard,
but you're really not going deep. It's like you got
to be confident in yourself to where when you see
it it's like, nah, I know this is this is fake.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
I'm about to go or just wait on it and
then just really go from there.

Speaker 8 (55:24):
I think watching more film and like even watching dig
since we got out over here, it's like he wasn't
taking chances. He just seen it like you would just
see the quarterback he would I mean he would get
a good read on it.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
So, oh yeah, I forgot that's your dB coach man.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you over here with the good guys.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
I said, what's up man Will Will?

Speaker 5 (55:48):
He told me he put Paul's on you back.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
In the day.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
What kind of Paul?

Speaker 3 (55:50):
What kind of Paul do you talk about?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Well, he might be.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
I don't want no hour nice though a JJ Yeah,
yeah I know him. And back when they was in
Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, the dreads. Yeah, hey, Al would take a chance
now and you had to play with Al. You remember
Seattle with the saying, hey he the quarterback called heads.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
That.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I say, no, you're not.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Here's the other way.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
Yes, yeah, no, I love having hour.

Speaker 8 (56:29):
It's for sure that ball mentality, especially like when you
see three step and he didn't. You're mad at the
DB's when he ain't driving the three stele. We ain't
driving certain routes when we see the quarterback. So it's
all about really getting those reasons, having confidence.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
You do realize that the corners, you guys live on
an island. It's you and that guy is mono a mono.
That's that's the matchup. And a lot of times you
ain't got no help. You gotta have you got to
have you to play corner. You gotta have amnesia because
you're gonna give up some all. Guy's gonna run a
great route. He get paid, just like you do. He studied,

(57:05):
he's studying Jalen, just like you studying him.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
But how do you how are you.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Able to block it out? You give up a touchdown
or you give up a big play. How you able
to block it out? Like, okay, that happened, especially if
it's early, ignoring that you got three and a half
quarters left to play.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Yeah, I think for me, it's it's it's life. I
feel like dB. Playing dB for me is just another
another area of life for me.

Speaker 8 (57:27):
As far as stuff gonna happen to you early in life,
stuff gonna happen to you late in life, and it's
like you still got life to live.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
So I mean, for me, I don't like that.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
I don't get too caught up in it.

Speaker 8 (57:37):
It's at the end of the day, when you live
long enough, you're gonna mess up and you're gonna do
some good things. When you play dB long enough, you're
gonna give up some You're gonna break up some passes.
So I think for me, it's really as simple as that.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
I think.

Speaker 8 (57:48):
I know Media said in one of her movies, or
in one of the movies, I gotta get them one
of they get me.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Yeah, I mean I feel like that's really the that's
really the name of the game.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
I think honestly, he's just trying to not get God
as many and as less as you can, and then
get them more as much as you can. But it's
really that simple, I think too, especially when you're going
against top guys. I mean, I personally got a gauntlet
this year with all the receivers I'm gonna see it,
so it's like I'm gonna enjoy it.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
I mean, yeah, they gonna catch some passes.

Speaker 8 (58:14):
But again, for me, as long as I win more
than I lose and turn the ball over, I feel
like I'll be good.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Well, good luck this season, man, stay healthy.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Already.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
What's up y'all?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Y'all y'all at home week one?

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Yes, Monday night, you're gonna pull up huh.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Matter of fact, you know what I gotta be.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
I gotta be at the sports book age on Sunday
for God.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Okay, I got a week one.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I met the sports book on Sunday at really feel
so I'm.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Gonna be at the game on Monday, though.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
I'll stay if you can give me, If you give
me a ticket, I'll get whatever you need. Just holler
let me, man. No, I really got to be there,
all no, No, I really got to be the dead ass,
no doubt.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
Tell your people, hit my people, and I'll take care
of you.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
We found all right, Bet. I can come over to
see hi stuff and get autographs and stuff.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Hey, man, it's all it's you.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
It's you, man.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
I'll talk to a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Let's go. I got you, all right, Bet, I'm gonna
let y'all all.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Right, Ja, stay healthy, man, good luck this season. Man,
we're chat down the road, no doubt. Jalen Johnson, cornerback
for the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
He nice too, boy.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Troy Aikman spoke about Michael Parson's leverage. His leverage is
they can't win without him. Without Michael Parsons, I just
don't think they're going to be able to spoil anybody down. Now,
what the Cowboys are gonna do? You think they you
think you think I know the answer to that. But
the longer they wait, the price just continues to go up.
For Michael Parsons, Troy is no stranger to watching holdouts.

(59:49):
Emmitt held out lasted two days before Jerry came to
a census. They went oh and two, They got Emmitt back,
and they ended up winning the Super Bowl. I think
Emmett led the league in rushing that year. Should we
expect the holdout? Do you foresee a holdout until Michael
Parks gets his money or does he come in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
And play in good faith?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Who come and playing good faith? Michael and Mike ain't,
no goddamn fool, Absolutely not. I told you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
They will always use that against you if they know
you're a foe because you love the game of football,
they'll play They're playing your face all day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
They were playing your face all day.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Absolutely, Michael better not come back, no, sir, no, sorry,
especially especially with the owners come out and said and
the game of the game of mind games that Jerry's
playing to publicly talk about your agent, you talked about
the player.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Oh hell nah, I'm not coming back, absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Mm hmmm, Well what's the point. What's the point in
paying him? He might miss games like you did last
year over them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
That still irk you that he said that. Huh you know,
how do you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
I'm still can't, like, how do you say something like
that about your player. That's something that you think that
you don't want to say to yourself, like, damn, I
paid him all this money and now he's on the
sideline hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
You don't say that out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Loud, you speaking stuff into existence.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Like I mean, man, but y by you lucky. You
know what.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I'm with me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I'm with me some good money and I'm gonna go
buy the Cowboys. You laughing, I'm gonna go buy the
Cowboys and me and you gonna run it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Oh yo, there ain't enough lotteries being played for us
to get enough money to buy the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
You never know, you never know, never never say that, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Joe, that's tied to his whole identity even when he dead,
And don't former Cowboys older Jerry Jones, so hey, we
might can pull our penning together and get something that
get it on something else.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
O yo, But the Cowboys they did.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Look, that's that's that's something that you sit down and
talk with your agent. How well you've done with your
money that you can with stand twenty million dollars, So
that's basically a million dollars a week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
He'd be stepping away from.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Oh, you't got to step away. You can stay right there,
You stay right there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
He ain't gonna play in the game. He gonna play
in the games. No, well, you don't play the games.
You don't get paid back spasm.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
That's all right, he hurt, he in he there, he's
under contract, right, yes, okay, long as it if he
shows up, Oh, my back hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I can't play. Y'all want to play game, you can
play games. Oh he gonna get.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Paid that boy, that'd be an ugly situation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I mean, Jerry making it ugly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I can't say I disagree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Oh, I mean he I'm listen. If Jerry wanted to
play hardball.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
He does. But hey, I don't know why Jerry. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I don't know why Jerry does this. I don't know
why he wakes the week before the season. We saw
it with CD, we saw it with Dak, we see
it with Zeke he EMMITTT missed two games. The difference
was Emmitt didn't have a contract. See Emmitt did not
hold out. EMMITTT didn't have a contract.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
At all at all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Okay, So so uh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Damn, I'm just thinking about that man.

Speaker 9 (01:03:42):
May I boy, why oh we if I if I
own the Cowboys, I'm telling you, boy, well, well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
We have a super we have a Super Bowl every year.
But I'm just spending everything for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Uh, we need to start playing a lottery.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Then they don't have They don't have a lot of
right here in Vegas because they got casinos and they
don't want you playing a lot of They want you
to go to casino.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
They don't want you to double dip.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
They don't want anything that's gonna take money out of
casino pockets.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
So yeah, the Cowboys fans, they deserve, they deserve. They
deserve this man, they deserve a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
They deserve misery.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
No, no, you remember cover Cluver Lry told Rocky, they say,
what do you see for mister pain?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Damn man, that's what.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
It's tough because Michael has been an All Pro he's
been Defensive Rookie of the Year, he's been all those
probos that he's been to and Jerry has compensated him
from that. Now he's said, Jerry, have I played that
contract based on what I believe I'll be the next
forty five years.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
This is what I need.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Accordingly, Now, maybe it was he's gonna make the highest paid.
Now you got to make him highest paid again, which
is more than what TJ. Watt got more guaranteed money said,
he said, Michael said, I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Need like one hundred fifty What I need? I tell
you what, you know what I'm nice, one thirty five guaranteed.
I need like one eighty. I need like I need
like four years two twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Hey, you know what's funny when I think about it too,
and Jerry think he's slicked trying to make it seem
like he was gonna pay Michael Parson to have the
highest paid But it was before Miles Garrett contract.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
It was before TJ.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Watch J. Watt.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
It would before and before you got Chase Crosby.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Yeah, before Chase. So it was gonna be in the
forty So now, hey, bro, that thing at forty two forty.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Three, it wouldn't have been no good.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
It would have been good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
No disrespect to those that are watching.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
I'm just saying in terms of the type of player
in caliber which Michael Parson, yeah, to be paid it
wouldn't be no good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
And he young baby's twenty six. Baby, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Man, twenty six years of age.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Yeah, I need all that. Yeah, I'm sorry, I need
I need go. I tell you what, Jered, Hey, five,
give me five for two fifty. Damn five for two fifty.
I don't want but one hundred five. I don't want
but one hundred forty hundred fifty guarantee.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Oh so the two fifty just just to make it
look good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. I don't care
about the guarantee. I tell you what, Jared, you give
me five for five hundred million, but I need one
hundred fifty of it fully guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Okay, I like that all that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I don't care now about that fluff you said that
put all that you see, all the plate that the
plate be, all designed, they got all that stuff dribzled
all like that. Does it taste good? What's up on
all that drizzle? Does it taste good?

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
All that fluff? I see how much money is guaranteed.
That's all that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
That's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
That's all I need to know what I'm gonna see