July 31, 2025 • 57 mins
Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Cam Ward not being in the top 10 ratings for Madden Rookies, Browns Owner says some BS about Shedeur Sanders, Daryl Morey felt the need to talk bad about the Lakers 2020 title, and much more!
05:30 - Shannon about ESPN
07:25 - Big Mad About Cam Ward’s Madden Rating
39:30 - Browns Owner on some BS abt Shedeur
47:50 - Daryl Morey felt the need to talk abt the Lakers 2020 title
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Hey man Chi, y'all all right? What's going on? Joe
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Before we get started, obviously, I'm sure everybody's heard the
news by now that I will not be returning to ESPN.
I found out this information a little earlier in the week,
and really the only thing that I really ask is, like, guys,
could we wait until Monday. My brother's going into the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. I really wanted to be
about him, and I wanted to be about my family.
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I know this would I said, this coming out will
overshadow everything that each works his entire life for. And unfortunately,
you know, it didn't happen that way. And so as
I told him, as I profusely apologized to him earlier today,
he said, Bro, stop apologizing. You don't have to apologize.
I'm your big bro. I'm gonna love you regardless. We
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all make mistakes, We've all and he says, Bro, I
love you, So I'm done with this. You're done with
it too, move on. And I really enjoyed my time
at ESPN. It gave me an opportunity to bring my
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and I was able to bring that to ESPN. So
I'm very very grateful for that, but I just wished
of all things, Like I said, Hey, they did what
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with that. But I just wish, guys, I just wish
this thing could have could have waited until Monday, because
I hate the fact that I'm overshadowing my brother the
first two brothers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
and this is what the headline is gonna be for
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the next couple of days. So Bro, again, I know
you told me this. I don't have to apologize, but
I'm gonna do it one final time tonight, and I
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Now let's get into what we came here for. NFL
O Joe, they mad at you NFL fans, little Heart
(05:08):
at Cam Forard's rating. He got a seventy two. Travis
Hunter has the highest rating for a rookie. He has
an eighty four. Ashton Genty has an eighty three. Abdul
Carter is an eighty one, Mason Graham is an eighty.
Will Campbell and Jalyn Walker are seventy nine. Kenneth Grant
is seventy eight, Johati Baron is seventy eight. Michel Williams,
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Michael Williams, I think Michael is seventy eight. Maxwell Harriston
is a seventy eight. Cam Ward did not even crack
the top ten of Madden Rookie ratings. Someone calling it
an absolute joke. O Joe, what you got to say
for yourself?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Listen, I got it. I got something to say all
of those obviously that you got people that are complaining
about obviously players on their team that have got drafted
into the first round. Now we talk about Aston Genty,
we talk about obviously if you, if you, if you
watch no collegiate football, they were exceptional. We got a
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Heisman winner, and we got.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Got a standards Russian record exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Let's understand what they did now, young bull, that's that's
my dude. Cam Ward was phenomenal at you and in
turning that program around. But listen, this is what we
saw fit to put him as before the season starts.
You have to remember some of these players haven't played
a down on the NFL yet, and everybody wants their
rated to be super high when they done nothing. Now
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rightfully sold Travis Hunter a special individual, asking genty a
special individual. I'm not saying that cam Ward is not special.
He is that being the quarterback number one for the
Tennessee Titans. But listen, a seventy one in justifiable which
most rookies come in at the quarterback position at and
how you getting mad? This is nothing but room to
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improve what we do at at EA, what we do
for Madden. There's a seventeen game season that's coming up
right now, right John, Absolutely, week the week that rating
continues to rise and raise based on cons It could
drop that too, So listen. By by no means it
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is where you're going to be at, but it can
approve week the week, so it shouldn't be a problem.
Some of the players might be upset, cam Ward, I
love you. You know how I feel about you?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You hear me? Week the week? Week there, week as
you've balled and you play consistent. You got Calvin really
over there. I know what you're gonna do. You got
time to locket. I know what you're gonna do week
to week. They gonna continue the rise, And I got you.
There's nothing to be ashamed of. Hey, hey, when I
came out of I was I was a sixty seven.
(07:48):
I ain't complain.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That put a chip on my Hey.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Why is it so hard though, for rookies to come
into Madden with like a eighty six eighty eight raid?
And I understand, you know, well, I'm saying, so there isn't.
There isn't. There's never gonna be a rookie that can
come in and they can dominate right away as far
as Madden rain, I understand.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Understand, understand, Joey, O, Joe, I.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Understand that you know, during the season your rate can
go up and down. I think you know you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But why everybody has to start so low?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's probably what avid gamers are really thinking, like, man,
why he got to be so low when obviously you
know I understand what's going on. Well, oh, cho let
me ask you to ask this. Let me ask your
question as an avid gamer. Where you where did you
start where you are now? Or did you have to
work your way up? See you didn't come in casanatt
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did not come in with this big scream just big
screaming platform and have all these subs.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He had to work his way up.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No matter how popular somebody is, if lebron I mean,
it doesn't matter. I mean they want something that they
have work for it. You look, I get Travis Hunter
got a eighty four, but he probably upset that he
didn't get ninety.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
He probably like, man, I should be.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
A ninety nine, saying I won the Heisman Trophy, I
won the Blittan, the coff Blitt, the Cup of Ward,
I won this award, I'm the defensive player of the year. YadA, YadA, YadA.
So he thinks his rating is low at eighty four.
Everybody everybody's like, man, I should be a ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I should be this, I should be that.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I mean give it time. Well they used to didn't
even have no rating. So I went from a zero
to one hundred, so anything's possible.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
See, it's a good thing, Clavis Hunter. If people understand
the accolades and the resume that comes behind. Why he's
an eighty four. You'd understand it. You look at asking
gent will your compass at the Coleegic level, there's the
reason why he's rated where he is. There's nothing wrong
with Cambore, nothing at all. He's a great quarterback. I'm
hoping he's quarterback number one for Tennessee. And he does
the same goddamn thing see the Stride dead for Houston,
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and the same goddamn thing Jaydon Day dead for good
damn Washington. But seventy one is good. You don't want
to give these great ratings and then you have nothing
to look forward to. You have nothing to look forward to.
There's room for improvement. And if he plays how I
feel and know he can play week to week, by
the time you get the week fifteen, week sixteen, hell,
he could be an eighty six eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Mm hm. You're not gonna make everybody happy with the radio, y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You understand that it's subjective, and anytime you dealing with
something subjective, there's gonna always be a problem with the
judges or in your case, a judge who helps adjust
the Madden rating. And so that's what you're gonna have
I mean, it's just like anything anything that's subjective, because
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you know, if it's diving, if it's gymnastics, anything that's
left up to judges unless I win, unless it's a
perfect ten or in this case, they're perfect ninety nine,
somebody's gonna have something to say.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, every time.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm sure yes, somebody's gonna have something to say pass
the tay. Like bro I won Defensive Player of the
Year and I ain't a ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's I'm all pro.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I'm a pro bowler, back to back Pro Bowl season
and I ain't a ninety nine. I mean, damn what
I got it? So what do I have to do
to get a night? And he's probably thinking, and I
haven't talked to him, but I'm saying, oh, Joe, he's
probably thinking, oh, what I gotta win?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
M v p oh on.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
He done tweeted me. Now he didn't got me. I
told him. I told him, twin, I got you, I
got you, relaxed. I know what you did last year.
We understand how special specially you are. Hell, we had
a whole goddamn dissertation with the with the premier seven
in the NFL about how difficult it is to get
open on you. I'm gonna take care of you. I'm
gonna get you. But as it is all and this
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is this is a funny thing on Hey Joe, this
was this was this was this what kind of hurts
my nerve? All the people that are complaining about batis right.
All these avid gamer all these mad enthusiasts like y'all
complain about raids and not even a good at the game.
They not not even They just complaining to be complaining
because if you were really good, the rating wouldn't matter
because it's all about your stick work, being able to manipulate,
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maneuvers on how to play like nobody. A small fun fact, Joe,
and something you didn't know, not only by the mad
raiding is juste right. You know, I'm the best Madden
player in the world, that Madden player in the world,
in the world, hey Joe, in the world, Joe. That's
why when I hear people complaining about me doing the rains,
I'm like, you can't even play because I don't care
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about nobody raising because my stick work is is elite.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I had to get the game of tag and
check you out. Bro.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You like that, Joe, don't do that to your death, Joe,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Joe.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'm like that, Yeah, Joe, Hey, hey Joe, they call
me thumbs. You get down like that. Yeah, they caught
me thumb. Yeah, they call me thumb like that on
that game and stuff. Man, that's all I do. Hey, Joe,
I lost relations I lost, Hey, Joe, he I lost
relationships behind game and Joe. That's how serious I take
me too, me too.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I think to say, look, Derrick Henry has a case
to be here, Like, hold on, bro I let the
league of rush touchdowns. I had the second most rush
yards nineteen hundred and twenty with nineteen hundred twenty one.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And I'm like, I ain't a ninety nine. You're like,
what more do I gotta do?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So, look, they're everybody in ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh that's what.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm That's the point that I'm getting at is that
everybody unless you are ninety nine. Really only the ones
that have the ninety nine are happy with their grade.
Everybody else, whether they got a ninety eight, ninety seven,
ninety six, they're not happy with their grade. I just
never understood me, honestly, Oh yo, I really never understood
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it because just because you're not a nine on the game.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That don't mean you ninety nine on the field.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Because you ninety six eighty four, well whatever, that don't
mean you like that now right? You have to prove
it to me every single week. You might start out
as a nine and nine, but I don't need to
see a ninety nine week one week, five week, ten week,
twelve week, fifteen, sixteen. The guys that got the rating, kudos,
uh Chase and Miles Garrett. And whether the quarterback they
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got nine or nine, I don't know. If they're the quarterback,
they got it. Like I said, I think uh.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Uh, I think Lamar Lamar, Lamar, Lamar lamar Jos Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Josh Allen. Yeah, they deserved it. Okay, cool, but I
promise you will y'all get it on the field. Ain't
nobody thinking about nobody rating Ojo? Well you would again,
you would against dB oh Man. I ain't gonna be
able to get over that Jo ninety six oh Man.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah. I don't know what I would do, but let.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Me taste something though. And Joe, Hey, the players really
do care about their ratings though they do.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I know they.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Joe, I didn't got I didn't. Got a few text
messages I see passing them like come on, so do
me right? Due is yes? And I tell them one thing.
If you got a problem with your your ratings, I
can show you why you are what you are. I
can break it down in PowerPoint presentation and let you know.
See they used to the players used to think, oh,
they got somebody that ain't never played the game and
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they don't know the rate. No, I know, I'm watching film.
I'm breaking film down, and we're we're basing your rating
based on your play, not just week to week, also
against elite play against other players at composition that are
really really good. Are you going to show up?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Don't?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Don't just play good when it's somebody that you know
is a little beneath you that you happen to be
going against week one and two? You know how you
show up against the big boys that are in your
upper echelon of skill and talent.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
A y'all know this, this this video game stuff, man,
And then came a long way, you know, from when
we was kids.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
So a lot of these cats.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Get oh yeah yeah, getting a chance to be in Madden,
getting a chance to be in NBA, two K, Like, yes,
the ratings are a big deal. Dudes look forward to,
you know, seeing what they got on the game. You
know what I mean, within themselves. So I kind of
understand it to an extent, but like say, it's shit.
You can't please everybody, man. Lamar Jackson in twenty nineteen
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was a seventy nine. Trevor Lawrence in twenty twenty two
was a seventy eight. Joe Burrow in twenty twenty one
was a seventy six. Patrick Mahomes in twenty seventeen was
a seventy six. Caleb Williams in twenty twenty five was
a seventy six. Josh Allen the year he came out
all these are rookies, I might add, was seventy four.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Cam Ward is a seventy two.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So Joe Burrow was a seventy six coming off the
Heisman Trophy and statistically had the greatest season ever for
a quarterback. He threw over five thousand yards and sixty
touchdowns and had chased so and he got a seventy six.
Lamar Jackson was a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and he
got a seventy nine. Patrick Mahomes just had a game
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where he threw for over seven hundred yards. Caleb Williams
a Heisman Trophy winning quarter back with a seventy six.
So I mean, what y'all want, y'all y'all want, y'all
want to put him? Y'all wanted man? And oh your
the adjusters, all those adjusters to put him at what
what would be a great What would be an ideal
rating for a rookie cab ward? Eighty five? Eighty sixty
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ain't nothing, but that's what I'm asking. What would be
an ideal rating to appease the masses?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Listen? What do he need? What do you need? An eighty?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Now we're here, seventy one right now, seventy two. I
think people think I'm just speaking probably for the people.
I think they specially gamers. Probably by the seventy eight,
seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Hey, listen, he could be that by week five.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I understanding.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Listen, listen. Tennessee could be the dark horse team this year. Up.
There's only the team that come out of nowhere and just,
oh my goodness, they wore us. They do things we
thought they couldn't do based on what they did last year.
They might be him.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And I'm gonna understand why Lamar got a seventy nine
because Lamar had legs and and arm, So I can
see why the same reason he got in ninety nine,
the same reason Josh Allen got in ninety nine, because
not only can they beat you with their arm, they
can beat you with their legs.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So I get.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Why Lamar coming out with a seventy nine and Josh.
We knew he was athletic, but we didn't know Josh
was like this athletic. We saw Kayler Williams with the
hocus polkas and all that other the old things that
he did, Heisman Trophy winning. At the end of the day,
somebody wasn't gonna be happy with their rating. Somebody wasn't
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gonna be happy that they got a seventy. Somebody got
an eighty five and they're not happy with that. Somebody
got a ninety four and they're not happy with that.
So you're not going to be able to please everyone.
But I tell you what you can do. You can
play and change that grade it. You know what the
teacher used to tell you, Oh, I'm gonna give you
some extra curricular work and you can pull that b
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up to A A. Or you can take that A
and go to an A plus, or you can take
that C and take it to a B. That's all
on you. Okay, you don't like the grade the seventy two,
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It is. It is, it is. And speaking now to
be on the topic a football. You know what what
I love about I hate to go off topic. What
I love about Twitter right now is the clips that
I keep seeing from camp with the one on ones,
the receivers. I'm happy. I'm joy breaking down with each
receiver did wrong or what the dB did wrong but
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the dB did right, and with the receiver did wrong,
and just breaking it down and watching it. Man that
I'm talking about. I feel like a little kid in
the candy store just watching some of the videos from
from like Brown's camp. I saw some one on ones
with with the Panthers that ke Ke Coleman, ke On Coleman. Well,
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Kean Coleman sent me.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
His one on one video so far from Buffalo. Yes,
he sent me.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
He sent them to my phone. I'm looking like, boy,
you've been putting some work, but it's all seated. So
and that's what I'm saying in my head. I ain't
even get a chance to hit him back. But he
sent me some stuff, you know, the go over and
just you know, to talk a little bit critique it.
Cochy man. Listen, man ke, I know you're probably gonna
see this boy. I gear that for right now, you know,
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but I need to see it on Sundays. I need
to see it on Sunday. But but you look good boy.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Because the thing is o jo. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
The difference between one on one and practice and one
on one in the game is that somebody might you
might think one on one and they playing zone. Well,
you know, one on one in practice, it's all one.
It's all man to man. Ain't a zone, right, so
you run it in hand.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You patient? Everybody got patience in practice. O yo.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Oh you're taking your time. You setting no boy up.
But you know come game time, hey, ain't nobody rushing
that see, ain't nobody in the quarterback and you got.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
To go to go all that.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Quarterback. This is what happened to your quarterback. Why you
did it? Your quarterback slop? Your quarterback slopped over the
wheel because he got hit the back of his head.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Man, it was it was I don't mean I'm so excited,
make me so excited. Though there was a there was
a rep on on on Twitter with Denzel Ward. Jesus Christ,
my god, this motherfucker so polished. Oh I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, yeah, come on, you're gonna get day. We ain't
gonna make no money tonight.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Bro Listen, listen, listen. It was Cedric Tillman and Denzel
Ward bump and run and and it was. It was
when it's done right, the game of football is so beautiful. Yes,
from a from a position standpoint, I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna break it down right now, but it was.
It was man that with Dinzel Wards. It's nice about
the technician.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, well, see the thing is he's he's a small frame,
so he has to be nice because he doesn't he
doesn't have you.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Know, overwhelming sides right right, so you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Saying, Oh Joe, So he his technique has to be flawless,
and it is.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I mean, you though, he's here here, you know he
he's great that he's loose in his hips, so he's
great to eat, to turn, to run. He's very fluid.
He transitions very well. When you hear oh he transitioned. Hey,
he back pedal, drop a start to run. Hey, dB,
comeback in the comeback. Oh, y'all on that too. Yeah,
I'm one that too. I dropped my hips. I'm on
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that too.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Hey. So I just want you to know I'm right here, Hey,
Uncle o Joe. And at this time and the year,
at this at this time of the.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Year doing camp. Tell me something, y'all, y'all enjoy coming
into camp already like in peak shape or you kind
of use camp to kind of you know, get it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
In peak shape. You get in shape player.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Football no matter how much he does out.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I see guys out there who don't look like they're
in great shape, man, And I see some guys who
look like that in elite shape. That's all I'm saying.
I'm saying, like, but where's your mindset coming into camp? No,
the thing was, look I taped off like the last
two weeks, I was still I was probably like not
at that point in time, I was probably ninety percent.
Because here's the thing. This is how you know you're
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not in shape. When they were putting that two minute
drill on your ass and every a you run a go,
you run a post and you wanna come back. Yes,
And the first thing you do this after three plays,
that lets you know right now you ain't where you
need to be. Comes to and and come and now
that's what happens to guys now, o Joe, because at
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least and and uh and preseason, we're gonna get everything
that we need to do in the regular season, we're
gonna get to some of that. Yeah, they're gonna say,
you know what, because Mike might say, you know what,
We're gonna open up the game with two minutes.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
We're gonna open up the game with no.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Huddle because I want to make sure we get some
of that with our number ones. So before anybody gets Dean,
I'm gonna make sure we get that. We're gonna get
some short yardage in goal line. We're gonna make sure
we get some a twelve personnel, We're gonna get some
eleven personnel. You know, we're gonna get some empty set.
We're gonna get all of that, Joe. But yes, it
gives you a great foundation because we've been sprinting on
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the track, and we've been running.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Hundreds and two hundreds and one, fifties and threes.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
We've been doing all that, But we ain't been doing
none of that with no helmet and no joke past.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's what we ever been doing exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And so now once guys start leaning on you and
we all do always do that stuff on the third day,
when that soreness, when that old man city, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Already that old man said it on your joke man.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Listen, Hey, look, I enjoyed camp like it was always fun.
But the best times is when you come into camp
and you already kind of in great, great shape because
they gonna run the dogs.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Jock out in the NBA. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You're gonna do a lot of seventeen you know them, Uh,
I forgot what was naming them down the backs and
you gotta make it a certain amount of time, y'all.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Y'all do suicide NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
What man, Listen, I don't know what they're doing right now,
but I'm saying, when I came into the league, ohoe
and oh one man, we work, bro, like I'm talking
about line drill seventeens just the end practice. Yeah, like
you had to be in shape, bro. You had we
had we had conditioning tests that we had to do.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Hey, they was on that coach Cartervoutine.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't see that. But oh Joe,
that's what we did too. See, we we did two
minutes at the end of practice. We never did two
minutes at the beginning of practice. He said, because guess
what it's gonna be at the end of game, in
which you're gonna need a two minute So why doing
it when you freshest, when you're gonna be at your
tired laking the ball game. So that's what I want.
Hey man, we beat up Red and did all that stuff,
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all right, two minutes two minutes, man, I just got
off the field. They get you cut off hot, yeah,
they get you where you had it worse when you
tied dead dog tied. You re to get up out
of there, get get down on there. We got seventeen
everybody gotta make it. What yeah, yeah, And that's what
that's And so yes, you want a good foundation and
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and and you're right, Joe, if you got that good foundation,
it's a lot easier. But man, ain't nothing like football
football shape. But playing football, you got to do it
you because you ain't blocking guys, I mean, you gotta
drive to try to get the guy. Hey, O joga.
You gotta run, guys. You gotta run guys out because
you don't want to block up and run the risks.
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You got to run twenty thirty yards down the field
and come back and guess what do it again? If
it's another run, play or it might be a play.
Oh Joe, Hey, you ready for this deep ball?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Now you Hey, you just ran to god thirty yards.
Now you got to come back and run a go ball.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And you better and you better hope it's complete because
now you got to run back again.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It get a look different when the guys get on you,
I know, because it's just like in basketball. You ain't
in You can go go to the track, get on
the treadmill, do all the running you want to. But
once you get out there, somebody go to touching on
you and pushing you. It's it's a lot different, all right, guys,
Brown's on the Jimmy Haslm felt the need of unprompted
to tell the media yesterday that your door Sanders was
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not his pick. Let's take a listen to what the
owner had to say about selecting your door.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Good process.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Okay, and if you just told me you see you
picked him on Saturday, right Friday night, driving home pic
your door, I would say that that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
But we had a conversation earlier that morning, in your
conversation later that.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Day up here at the right people involved in.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The conversation, or if at the end of the day,
that's in Barry's call, if you made the call to
picture door, just like he's gonna start or what play
we're gonna call.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It is Kevin's call. But that's that's Andrew's call and
made them talk. Who asked him that?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Why did he Why did he feel the need to
share that information on Joe?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Nobody? That's what unprompted?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So you drift, Mitch, ain't Nobody asked you what round
did you think was gonna take your dow in?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Why did you take? Nobody asked you that.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, if so he felt the need, and I get it,
Yes he's the owner, but it's like, I'm like, bro,
if y'all felt if you feel this well by your door,
why y'all still got Themand it seemed like every time
I turn around, oh Joe, somebody trying to take a
dig at it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, Well I got I got a question. I have
a question for the chat and Uncle Joe. I'm not
sure if y'all know how long did Jimmy hasn't been
with the Cleveland Browns A long ass time, A long time.
So since two thousand, the Cleveland Browns have thirty five
different starting quarterbacks. In two thousand, thirty five different starting quarterbacks.
But now you're going to take it for yourself to
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say that jadere saying is one your pick and that's
probably why it's gonna work, because you had no dealings
in him being drafted. I'm watch all God work, watchy'all
God work.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
What about all the other picks you had who picked
with they?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
He is?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But he hey, listen, he never He never came out
before and said never.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Hey, hey, when I when I look at it, when
I look at it, I just like how a young
man going about itself?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Man should do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like, there's no there's no better way to go about
this than keep your head down and keep working.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Bro. He's uh. I think he's been doing a phenomenal
job at that. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I think everybody's been keeping up with what's been going
on in Cleveland. I know I have UH and he
looked like he looked like he looks comfortable out there
first and foremost, and he looks like he's still enjoying
the game, man. And I think this is just more
you know, fuel to the fire as opposed to it's
gonna help him out throughout the regular season, throughout his
season or throughout his NFL career in general. So I
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understand what what what the owner said, but uh, I
think she do it doing an awesome job. With all
this that's going around. You can see he's in the community,
not only in the community, but he looked like he's
playing his butt off.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Now. I don't know how much. I don't know how
much any of this.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Way with you know, what he's been doing in you know,
in the OTAs and off season and camp and all that.
But I mean, I don't lie, bro. I know, you know,
they ain't out there hitting or nothing like that. But
he looks comfortable out that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Well.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's really hard for me to say because from everything
that I read, he gets one or two reps with
the first team and one or two reps period and
that's it. It's reported that his dad wanted to come
to camp just like he went to a Tampa. He said, no,
Daddy said Dad, he said, I might get three or
four reps. He says, I'm not where I want to be.
But what if reported is being reported is true? But
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once I get to where I want to be, coming
up being right. But I don't get this who it
was that was? That was an Andrew Barry's pick. And
just like the guys that play that's such and such.
So all these quarterbacks that y'all had, and I mean
you have Baker, So who's picked with Baker and Baker. Look,
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Baker had had a decent and he got injured and
for whatever reason, you know Baker's telling the story, they
wanted him to, you know, turn tone it down a
little bit and wouldn't let him be himself. And you see,
Baker is like himself in Tampa and he's thriving. Now,
does he have a better collection of wide receivers around
him and Tampa that he had in Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yes he does, he does.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Ain't no sense in us trying to fool Foolan said
he has the same level of skill position players around
him because he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
He just doesn't.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But I don't get why Jimmy Haslam felt the need
to take this shot.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
That should do her.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh uh, you know, if you'd have told me we
were gonna take him, I was like, that's not gonna
happen or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
He said? Why? I mean, why, why? Why did he
feel the need to say that? O Joe?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
You know what they're trying to do. You know what
they're trying to do, trying to break him. They use
the draft trying to break him. We're gonna make him. Wait, okay,
now he's here, he's doing everything he's supposed to do,
doing everything he's supposed to do plus the extra. Then okay,
how can we break him down? He's out here playing
very well to you, I told you what hey, listen,
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mayear is over that now, and is is over there.
I don't need to be there to see and hear
they with me? Now? So what do we do now?
He's playing well, he's got the offense down, he's not
making too many mistakes. He's throwing touchdowns where he's running
with the one to two three of the falls.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
So what we do now?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
The one has to come and try to break him again,
break his spirit a little.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Bit, Barry Pitt.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But listen, but why though, is it because of what
they may seem to be is flamboyant in college, because
he would a jewey, he would the ice Y's just
part of who he is. Man, It's just part of
his swag. That's how he grew up.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Hey, really, Joe, honestly, that's all the collegiate athletes coming
out of college this year. Everybody look at all of them.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
They got a little bread, and so it seemed like
to me a week attempt. The guy's already.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Look.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I know what people you say, Hey, you can you
maintain confidence, but when you're not getting any run, and
you used to like, I'm a prime example of that.
I used to call my brother. I said, man, I
ain't get no run today. All he said, just be ready,
he said, John Elwire, gonna call your number, but make
sure when he called your number. I like, man, you
keep saying that. You said that yesterday all my number,
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he said. I said, you keep I'm saying to myself,
you keep saying that, but it ain't happening. And sure enough.
But I was like, I ain't got nothing but time.
The way I looked at it, Joe and O Joe,
is that as long as I'm here, I still got
a chance. It's like, when I'm no longer there, I
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don't have a chance to make the team. So as
long as I can state, the longer I stay, because
guess what, I'm gonna do something. Y'all gonna put me
somewhere and I'm gonna flash something I'm gonna make. I'm
gonna make a block, you gonna put me on special teams.
I'm gonna do something that you say, you know what?
That came from Savannah State. He too big, too strong,
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too fast, not for us to final play by hey,
create a create a job for me.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
We ain't high.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
And the funny, the funny thing about it is all
the turmoil, all the all the negativity, but it's coming
from the Cleveland media, whether it's coming from the owner
gym has him and saying he wasn't my pick. When
that preseason starts and he gets his opportunity, the cream
is gonna rass at the top no matter what, because
good at doing one thing, he's good at playing football. Yes,
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he's good at playing football. He's been a winner from
Jackson State, the goddamn Colorado And now you're in a
different environment and that journey starts all over again. Even
with the enemy right in your backyard against you.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Sometimes that's that's really hard to overcome, OYO, When when
it seems like the people rooting against you, that's right there.
I mean, I thought I thought, I thought we was
all in this thing together. It don't seem like it.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I tell you, I tell you who on the side, though.
I tell you who on the side when that goddamn
when that goddamn stadium started rooting, start screaming for Shador,
when that goddamn dog pound start going crazy and the
chance starts start shouting for Shador, when things ain't going
right with the Browns, all right, I guarantee you know what,
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watch watch how to Play Out.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I just hope, I just hope he's still he's around,
loading up for those said things to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That that that that's because think about o, Yo, you
signed Joe Flacco eighteen years well, you know he's not
He's year eighteen. He's not your answer long term. You
re signed Kenny Pickett hoping that he got a little
hamstring tweak. So now basically is Dylan Gabriel uh uh
and should do her. But it seemed like Flacco and
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get Gabriel and and and Flacco getting all the reps.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That's what it appears to me from what I read now.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm not I'm not you know, following it that close
because that you know, put all that time in there,
and and guys that you're watching, they're not gonna be there.
So as they get to the preseason on show, you
get the game or two and so we'll get a
better understanding, a better feel like okay, this kid, you know,
get an opportunity to see them guys play, like.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, he can play.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Because I want to see guys play against somebody playing
somebody else just trying to make a team.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Also, you don't know you y'all, don't walk.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Off the field talking hey man, hey, you know what
you're gonna do tonight?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Or well you know what you what you know such
and such.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Hey, I want to see you go against another guy
in another colored uniform that's in the same situation that
you are. He's trying to make he's trying to live
out his fantasy. He's trying to live out his dream.
He's trying to make sure his mom and his grandma
and if he has a kid or a girlfriend or
significant other. He's trying to make sure they're taken care of,
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just like you. But this, I'm shocked by what Jimmy
Haslom had to say because nobody asked him. Nope, this
was something that you probably should have asked. Oh Joe,
after the draft, you asked, you asked this, Okay, So
what was your thought process taking your door in the
fifth round? You know, they said the grade they had
on him, the grade they had, and the grade they had.
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So that's when you're like, well, hey, we felt that,
you know, we had this grade on him, and we
felt that, you know, he might be there, so we said,
now round between rounds four and five, if he's there,
we're gonna grab it. Okay, But that's a couple that's
a day after the drift. That's two days at worked
at best work case, that's a week after the draft.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
O Joe, the drift was in April.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
After the drift was in April, and here we are
that like May June July. That's three that's three months.
If we talking about that's an Andrew Berry pick and listen.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I can understand if your decision making in the past,
as if you the goddamn quarterback whisper yes, coming out
and saying something like that and being confident about it,
like you just yeah, been making golden when it came
to picking quarterbacks the last thirty five with your picks
in nothing. So probably this one that you had nothing
to do with, that might be the answer.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
If you Green Bay, y'all got bred farg and then
you get Aaron Rodgers and now you got George Love,
I would say, well, you know what, hey, oh Joe, Joe.
He might be on the s right right half. They
about to half fifty years of prosperity at the quarterback position.
But when you've had thirty five years of turmoil and
chaos at the quarterback position, with the exception of maybe
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a year or two here or there, you got one
year Derek Anderson, you got a couple of years with Baker,
but other than that, let's be realistic. Now, come on, Browns. Yeah,
and she does strikes me as a guy. You know,
when them lights come on, yo, I feel like he
gonna perform at the highest level, you know what I mean,
Like he gonna put on you know what I mean.
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That's that's the type of guy. He strikes me as so, man,
I'm gonna be paying attention to them.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Brown.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
See what's gonna happen? Now, they got four quarterbacks over there, right?
What they what they gonna doka?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I don't see a team keeping four quarterbacks, man, you know,
part a part of me, a part of me. Hope
they like try to put him on the practice squad
and somebody comes side there.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
So they so you can carry you know, they'll carry
three quarterbacks and put.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
One on the that's too many positions because the quarterbacks
don't play special team. So you got it though, because
there's only there's only forty six guys, those spots are valuable.
Normally you're carrying a guy, a wide receiver that could
you know, he can play multiple positions. He can play
the eggs, he can play the Z, he can play
the slot, and he plays special team. Same thing with
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a linebacker, same thing with the swing offensive line. But
he can play guard, he can play tackle. Okay, So
that's what to look at it. I'm looking at a
guy that can play multiple positions because if I get
somebody to go down, what can a quarterback do? Side quarterback?
Maybe your hope maybe maybe in high school. Oh Joe,
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he punted or kicked to something. But for the most part,
you keep If you're gonna keep somebody extra, it's gonna
be a wide receiver, a dB, somebody that can play
special teams.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
That's why they say he Special teams is the quickest.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Way to earn a place on the rocks unless you
wanted the top Now you top dog. Got mean, we
get that, you Joe Burrow or Chase or somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Lamards, we get that.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
But guys that are not that are not extra, like
say starter that when hey Rue's up, he runs on
the field, and when if far and down, he comes
off the field, and he ain't got to stay out
there for punting. Special team. The more you can do,
the longer you can play. The more you can do,
the longer you can play. And but I don't, I don't.
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I didn't like this at all because, like I said,
here we are three months in Ojoe and this man
talking about that's an Andrew Barry Pick.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
It's trying to break him up. It's all mind games.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
They are they are, they are, they did what they did.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
They like, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna show you,
We're gonna we're gonna show coach Prime. You know, they
talking about you know, the man Ings and everybody looked
at the man, even Eli did what he did, and
you know Arch and you know, so forth and so on.
They're like, Nah, you're not gonna do that. We're gonna
show you that. We're gonna start it right here, and
then we're gonna take a little further. We only gonna
get your handful of reps.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And we're gonna see how how how long?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Hey, if I'm trying to break it, they say they
put you in solitary, solitary o Joe, because they say,
you know, we used to communicate it, and when there's
no one to communicate to you, and all you can
do is hear your heart beat and the only the
only communication is going on in your own head.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And you know what, that could be a good thing.
Sometimes they put people in solitary confinement, right, and it
does it more, It does it more good than harm
because it gives you to much time to think.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, I want to be a solitary away from you.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Sorry you can Yeah, I wanted to be a solitaire
oh your cause I want to be away from you. Sorry,
Mobo so y'all back rub off on me. I think
I think, look, look, I think he definitely locked in.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Though you can see it, Bro, you can see it, well,
he doesn't really, he really doesn't have a choice.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I think I think Time has done a great job
Time dealing with what he's dealing with. Cause think about
it now, it's still Time, son. But in the meantime,
I've got to deal with what I've got to deal with.
I've got something gravely going on with me and I
got two sons that because the only coach that should
do has ever had has been Time. Yep, he's the
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only only play for his dad played for his daddy.
Jay played for his dad in high school and coming up,
he coached him in Pop Warner. Time used to take
them kids all over the place. They play Snoop Dogg.
They played, end up playing Snoop Dogg. When because the
Time and I went to the hall together. Uh, they
playing all up in Texas. They coming, they coming, and
they're driving playing other teams. I think they played while
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they was up there in Canton. So that's the only
coach you've ever had. And now my dad's think about it, man,
my dad dealing with something I don't know, you know,
what's really going on, because Tom said, you know, I
really didn't let the boys know what was really going
on because they gotta focus on that. The last thing
is to let your mind wander, O Joe. You know
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when you in camp, hey, I'm here. That's what I
tell when you hear you gotta be here now. Now,
when you over there, deal with whatever you gotta deal
with over there, and don't.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Worry about here. But when you hear you gotta be here.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
And so I think Time did a great job of
shielding him, not telling them the extent of what's really
going on with him so he can stay locked in.
Especially we know how hard the quarterback position is to play,
Oh Joe, the last thing you need is to be
worried about man, Pops, Man, samn, Pops. Really, Pop's really
messed up right now? Man, I ain't getting no burn.
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Pops messed up on a trip and saying all kind
of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Man, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
It's like I said, you don't know what a person's
going through. You don't know, Uh, you know, you try
not to, you try to compartmentalize when I'm here, Joe, Ojoe,
I'm here, and like when i'm when I'm done, I'll
deal with whatever I need to deal with off the field.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I'll deal with that. Then.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Man, you just say, man, I can, I can. I
can brain work home, but I can't take you to work.
And that's how it is. You can't be cause they
tell you, oh yeah, there's there's more important things than sports.
They line they say that for for the public, for
for public. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no no. When
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you play a professional sport, o jo, they're making a
buddy leclear. Oh yeah, that's the most important thing is
that sport. Yeah, So Chel, keep your head up, keep
plugging away. Boy, do your thing. You built for this,
You are built for this. Daryl Murray also felt the
need to talk about the Lakers twenty twenty title today.
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Murray said, had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely
would have celebrated as legitimate, knowing the immense effort and resilience.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Required.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yet everyone speaking around the league privately agrees that it
doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship. Perhaps the
last legacy of the NBA bubble is that the NBA
should be proud of its leadership at both the beginning
and the end of the pandemic, even through the champion
will forever be marked by an asterisk. Daryl morri you
should be the last one to talk after what you
(45:52):
almost blew up by saying what you said about China,
and you got your busses, you got your butt.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Out of there.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Every see, everybody talks about, Well, it's an asterisk because
you didn't win it. Now you just said, I absolutely
would have celebrated as legitimate doing the admiss everyty resilience
that it took to do it. But now because you
didn't win it, So is there astery by the strike
(46:23):
a short year? What year that was? Ninety nine?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah? The strike short? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. What about twenty twelve? Twenty twelve?
Was the strike short? Didn't y'all didn't y'all? Wasn't y'all shorten?
Twenty twelve?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Joke? Yeah yeah, And uh, he don't ask you about
that one.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, he put that astray by the bubble.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
But I honestly think because he didn't win, absolutely, But
I honestly think I didn't think it was an advantage
to anybody playing in the bubble, you know what I mean,
Like I wouldn't put no astray by, you know, because nobody.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Ten's probably harder, y'all. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, No,
I don't know if it was harder than neither. I
don't feel like because you took away a lot of
the elements of traveling, playing in altitude environments, things of
that sort, like we are all right here, No, what
about you couldn't go nowhere? Yeah, I mean I know that.
I know that's hard. I knew that was hard. You know,
(47:20):
I'm saying, I tell you what I would do. I'll
tell you what I would do, Joe. I would put
you in. I would put you in your house for
one hundred days and all you could do is go
to your backyard and come home.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
How much you can't do nothing? How much money I'm
making whatever? The playoffs play? Okay, So he's saying, just
to play. Yeah, that's because that's what they can.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Don't get no extra Hey, look, hey, look, I wasn't
locked obviously, you know I played in CBT.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
It wasn't It wasn't nowhere near.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
It's being locked in for ninety days or how many
days those guys locked in. I played in the TVT
and it was a quarantine environment. We was locked in
a hotel for like seven it's about ten days. So
I know, I know the challenges that these dudes had
to go through, But I'm saying I don't think it
should be an asterisk, like I think everybody was. No,
(48:10):
absolutely not. Yeah, no, I think I think everything about
with THET. Think about the pandemic itself.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Joke.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, people losing their mind. They couldn't go nowhere, o choke.
You couldn't go to a you couldn't go sit inside
a restaurant, or you couldn't go to a club, or
you couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I don't know how it was in some places, but
I happened to be in Cali at the time. And
when I say Callie shut it down, Callie shut it down.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Now I know.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Georgia shut it down for a week. Florida shut it down.
Georgia wasn't shut down, but they were getting two of
that out here. You and me, huh, I'll go yeah, yeah,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
O Joe, listen.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
It was it was easy for them, especially during that time.
It was easy for the people that don't actually that
don't be outside. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't go anywhere anyway.
So when the when the pandemic happened, listen, I chose
that time to catch up on some stuff Netflix, movies
that hadn't seen. You know, I would tweet what should
I watch? Hell, I ain't see the Wire? You know
(49:06):
I was? Was I playing during that time? No? I
think I think I might have forgot where it was.
I had never seen the wire. The people told me
to watch the Wire. I watched Ozark, I caught up.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
On Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
I caught up on all types of stuff on Netflix.
That was good. I had a bunch of cigars with me,
and you know, I had a little cor for machine. Heah,
I ain't need to go nowhere. Everything I needed was
right here. And then I got my game.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Hey, but look though, and he's talking about yet everyone
go ahead, oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Do y'all think that the.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
The COVID times, it really changes because think about this.
You know, you had your homeboys or your friends talking
about they want to come over. You don't know what
they done being You're like, hold on now, you can't
come over, bro, you know what I mean? And then
since it's been over a lot of us are still
kind of knuckled up. Hey, hey, hey, how you doing
(49:53):
bro right? Hey?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah? Yeah, even still announced to this day like that.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, Darryl Moore said, Yet everyone I speak to around
the league probably agreed that it truly doesn't hold up
as a genuine championship. So did you ask people around
the league what they thought about what you said about China?
Asking what they genuinely think about how you almost blew
it up right right?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
You know why? Let me tell you why did because
Lebron James won it? Anybody any other superstar had won
that championship, Joe Johnson, you and I both know it'd
been legit. It was because Lebron James wanted it ain't legit.
You think that's why a lot of people put that in. Yeah, yes, absolutely,
(50:47):
Michael Kobe, Larry Magic, it, Deah, anybody else. And that's
what I asked him. I said, Okay, y'all say, well,
because you said that Lebron came to LA to be
a sixth Saint Kevin Hart, he came to be a movie.
He came to win an oscar as opposed to a
(51:07):
Larry O'Brian trophy. Okay, he comes out here, he plays,
he wins. Now, so what's what's the what's the debate?
Had anybody else done that? I say, now, y'all say
that's what he did? I say, now, oh, man, Jordan
was past this prime Jordan. I say, let me ask
you a question. Had Jordan won the NBA title, would
(51:28):
y'all say he won seven? Or would he ever just
won six? Come on, now, y'all said, y'all game seven? Yeah,
but because he didn't win, Oh, he wasn't even trying
to win.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yes, he was.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
I thought that everything Georgie Tech was serious. The reason
why they did it like this is because Lebron won.
Had anybody else won, they not calling the Bubble Tech Championship.
They're not calling it saying an asterisk needs to be added.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
They wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Even Darryl Morre, even Darryl Morray is trying to man
is the man. I guarantee you take it. I guarantee
you take it. You need to worry about Philly. That's
what you need to do. All that money. I tell you, what,
pull another season like you had this year and see
what happened to you.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
But he the owner though what they gonna do then.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Gentle JOHNH. Harris is the owner.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Okay, Okay, you think they're fire.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Have another boy? He you see that money he done
gave out. Yeah, it's you miss the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Somebody gonna have to go. Joe.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
They still yeah, they still owe Joe L and B.
Damn near three hundred million.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
They gave TDD Reeves maxim Max deal. They got Paul
George on the Max deal.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Maxy.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
If Paul, if Paul ni a ankle, whatever whatever it is,
if he come back healthy, they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
He don't get healthy as you get older. I think
he just had another procedure too. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, Hey, I wish I could give all them boys
my and legs, man and arms and akilis and knees.
I just damn, man, I hate seeing people get injured.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Man, this some boy, But who asked you?
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Hold up? Who asked him this? Everybody just feel like
they ever really talking to movie?
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Today? Is just Joe.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Everybody was in a real talking to movie today, Oh Joe. Yeah, so,
ain't nobody bro, It's twenty twenty five. They just got
the new package Amazon. Somebody Amazon just got spent seventy
seven billion, seventy six billion. Amazon got a package, NBC
got a package. He has He ain't got a package.
They about to make money out to Yin Yang and
you talking about twenty twenty five? Why yeah, I promise you.
(53:48):
Nobody in the history of the game has received more
criticism than Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
And it's crazy for what.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Because he's no matter what you thought about it, man,
I think he's gonna be good. He's exceeded all expectations,
no matter what you thought he.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Might be, He's exceeded everything. Nobody.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
People say, ain't nobody gonna break Kareem's record, because first
of all, you're not gonna play long enough and you're
not gonna be consistent enough. He did that. Man, Ain't
nobody gonna get no. Nineteen All Star Games? He got
twenty one. Man Ain't nobody gonna be no. All the
NBA all those times he got twenty one thirteen first teams.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I just don't get it, man, Listen, he go uh ojo.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Y'all know when you when you've been at the top
for so long, they gotta start, they gotta start picking
at you.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Bro. They got they gotta start picking at it. It's
just kind of a part of it.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
That's just kind of what it seems like, because, like
like you said, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
He's exceeded expectations.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
I'm talking about for him since the time he came
into the NBA and what eighteen nineteen years old man
expect they put on him, he exceeded at That's crazy. Yes, yeah,
there's not a whole lot of eighteen year old old
get handed.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
The keys to a franchise. Oh man, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
No college, no dominant male. I mean, I guess the
dominant male figures would be his coach, coach Drew. They
don't hand the keys to a franchise to an eighteen
year old.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
That's what he did. That's what they gave him.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
That's what they gave him.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
I mean, it's it's almost like, well, my favorite player
didn't play that long, he should just go.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
Why.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
I guarantee you if your favorite player could play at
that level that he's playing at, he'd stayed.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Kobe body broke down on him.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
He had to shoulder towards labrum, and he had their
keen Ley's injury, and he was just he had given
it all he got. And you know what, Kobe was
that Mercedes that had five hundred thousand miles on it.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
And it just pulled out of the road and it
just stopped.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
You don't think Jordan, if Jordan could have still played
at that elite level, you don't think he just continued
to play of cards.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
We all would playing right now.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Of course they're mad at the man that's taking care
of his body for this long. Lord is blessed and
beyond blessed, and he's able to play at an elite level.
Even in year twenty two. The man average twenty four
eight and eight in year twenty two, and everybody else
the average. I don't even think anybody did anybody average
twenty two the average double figures and year twenty twould
(56:41):
what considering that only Vince Carter's played the twenty two
twenty two seasons.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
I mean, think about that man, and we just tried,
and people just try to find things to nit picking,
to pick him apart, and I just I just I
just I'll I'll just never I'll just never understand why why,
I mean, it's gonna I mean, he's gonna be gone
(57:08):
and then you know, eventually KD. Eventually Steph will have
new guys in there. What that's when he'll be missed
the most, though, I mean.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Somebody else, somebody else will take his place on somebody
else that they're going to love to hate somebody.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
There's never been anybody before or since him that's been
like this. Nobody, nobody defy you to find it. Even
if you look at the bad Boy Pistons. Nope, they
didn't like they didn't dislike them like they disliked this man.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
I think when it's when he when he hangs it up,
everybody's gonna miss it because what he's done.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
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Oh?
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Now let's get into what we came here for. NFL
O Joe, they mad at you NFL fans, little Heart
(05:08):
at Cam Forard's rating. He got a seventy two. Travis
Hunter has the highest rating for a rookie. He has
an eighty four. Ashton Genty has an eighty three. Abdul
Carter is an eighty one, Mason Graham is an eighty.
Will Campbell and Jalyn Walker are seventy nine. Kenneth Grant
is seventy eight, Johati Baron is seventy eight. Michel Williams,
(05:33):
Michael Williams, I think Michael is seventy eight. Maxwell Harriston
is a seventy eight. Cam Ward did not even crack
the top ten of Madden Rookie ratings. Someone calling it
an absolute joke. O Joe, what you got to say
for yourself?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Listen, I got it. I got something to say all
of those obviously that you got people that are complaining
about obviously players on their team that have got drafted
into the first round. Now we talk about Aston Genty,
we talk about obviously if you, if you, if you
watch no collegiate football, they were exceptional. We got a
(06:09):
Heisman winner, and we got.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Got a standards Russian record exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Let's understand what they did now, young bull, that's that's
my dude. Cam Ward was phenomenal at you and in
turning that program around. But listen, this is what we
saw fit to put him as before the season starts.
You have to remember some of these players haven't played
a down on the NFL yet, and everybody wants their
rated to be super high when they done nothing. Now
(06:35):
rightfully sold Travis Hunter a special individual, asking genty a
special individual. I'm not saying that cam Ward is not special.
He is that being the quarterback number one for the
Tennessee Titans. But listen, a seventy one in justifiable which
most rookies come in at the quarterback position at and
how you getting mad? This is nothing but room to
(06:56):
improve what we do at at EA, what we do
for Madden. There's a seventeen game season that's coming up
right now, right John, Absolutely, week the week that rating
continues to rise and raise based on cons It could
drop that too, So listen. By by no means it
(07:19):
is where you're going to be at, but it can
approve week the week, so it shouldn't be a problem.
Some of the players might be upset, cam Ward, I
love you. You know how I feel about you?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You hear me? Week the week? Week there, week as
you've balled and you play consistent. You got Calvin really
over there. I know what you're gonna do. You got
time to locket. I know what you're gonna do week
to week. They gonna continue the rise, And I got you.
There's nothing to be ashamed of. Hey, hey, when I
came out of I was I was a sixty seven.
(07:48):
I ain't complain.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That put a chip on my Hey.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Why is it so hard though, for rookies to come
into Madden with like a eighty six eighty eight raid?
And I understand, you know, well, I'm saying, so there isn't.
There isn't. There's never gonna be a rookie that can
come in and they can dominate right away as far
as Madden rain, I understand.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Understand, understand, Joey, O, Joe, I.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Understand that you know, during the season your rate can
go up and down. I think you know you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But why everybody has to start so low?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's probably what avid gamers are really thinking, like, man,
why he got to be so low when obviously you
know I understand what's going on. Well, oh, cho let
me ask you to ask this. Let me ask your
question as an avid gamer. Where you where did you
start where you are now? Or did you have to
work your way up? See you didn't come in casanatt
(08:46):
did not come in with this big scream just big
screaming platform and have all these subs.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He had to work his way up.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No matter how popular somebody is, if lebron I mean,
it doesn't matter. I mean they want something that they
have work for it. You look, I get Travis Hunter
got a eighty four, but he probably upset that he
didn't get ninety.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
He probably like, man, I should be.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
A ninety nine, saying I won the Heisman Trophy, I
won the Blittan, the coff Blitt, the Cup of Ward,
I won this award, I'm the defensive player of the year. YadA, YadA, YadA.
So he thinks his rating is low at eighty four.
Everybody everybody's like, man, I should be a ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I should be this, I should be that.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I mean give it time. Well they used to didn't
even have no rating. So I went from a zero
to one hundred, so anything's possible.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
See, it's a good thing, Clavis Hunter. If people understand
the accolades and the resume that comes behind. Why he's
an eighty four. You'd understand it. You look at asking
gent will your compass at the Coleegic level, there's the
reason why he's rated where he is. There's nothing wrong
with Cambore, nothing at all. He's a great quarterback. I'm
hoping he's quarterback number one for Tennessee. And he does
the same goddamn thing see the Stride dead for Houston,
(09:58):
and the same goddamn thing Jaydon Day dead for good
damn Washington. But seventy one is good. You don't want
to give these great ratings and then you have nothing
to look forward to. You have nothing to look forward to.
There's room for improvement. And if he plays how I
feel and know he can play week to week, by
the time you get the week fifteen, week sixteen, hell,
he could be an eighty six eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Mm hm. You're not gonna make everybody happy with the radio, y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You understand that it's subjective, and anytime you dealing with
something subjective, there's gonna always be a problem with the
judges or in your case, a judge who helps adjust
the Madden rating. And so that's what you're gonna have
I mean, it's just like anything anything that's subjective, because
(10:45):
you know, if it's diving, if it's gymnastics, anything that's
left up to judges unless I win, unless it's a
perfect ten or in this case, they're perfect ninety nine,
somebody's gonna have something to say.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, every time.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm sure yes, somebody's gonna have something to say pass
the tay. Like bro I won Defensive Player of the
Year and I ain't a ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's I'm all pro.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I'm a pro bowler, back to back Pro Bowl season
and I ain't a ninety nine. I mean, damn what
I got it? So what do I have to do
to get a night? And he's probably thinking, and I
haven't talked to him, but I'm saying, oh, Joe, he's
probably thinking, oh, what I gotta win?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
M v p oh on.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
He done tweeted me. Now he didn't got me. I
told him. I told him, twin, I got you, I
got you, relaxed. I know what you did last year.
We understand how special specially you are. Hell, we had
a whole goddamn dissertation with the with the premier seven
in the NFL about how difficult it is to get
open on you. I'm gonna take care of you. I'm
gonna get you. But as it is all and this
(11:46):
is this is a funny thing on Hey Joe, this
was this was this was this what kind of hurts
my nerve? All the people that are complaining about batis right.
All these avid gamer all these mad enthusiasts like y'all
complain about raids and not even a good at the game.
They not not even They just complaining to be complaining
because if you were really good, the rating wouldn't matter
because it's all about your stick work, being able to manipulate,
(12:07):
maneuvers on how to play like nobody. A small fun fact, Joe,
and something you didn't know, not only by the mad
raiding is juste right. You know, I'm the best Madden
player in the world, that Madden player in the world,
in the world, hey Joe, in the world, Joe. That's
why when I hear people complaining about me doing the rains,
I'm like, you can't even play because I don't care
(12:28):
about nobody raising because my stick work is is elite.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I had to get the game of tag and
check you out. Bro.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You like that, Joe, don't do that to your death, Joe,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Joe.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'm like that, Yeah, Joe, Hey, hey Joe, they call
me thumbs. You get down like that. Yeah, they caught
me thumb. Yeah, they call me thumb like that on
that game and stuff. Man, that's all I do. Hey, Joe,
I lost relations I lost, Hey, Joe, he I lost
relationships behind game and Joe. That's how serious I take
me too, me too.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I think to say, look, Derrick Henry has a case
to be here, Like, hold on, bro I let the
league of rush touchdowns. I had the second most rush
yards nineteen hundred and twenty with nineteen hundred twenty one.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And I'm like, I ain't a ninety nine. You're like,
what more do I gotta do?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So, look, they're everybody in ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh that's what.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm That's the point that I'm getting at is that
everybody unless you are ninety nine. Really only the ones
that have the ninety nine are happy with their grade.
Everybody else, whether they got a ninety eight, ninety seven,
ninety six, they're not happy with their grade. I just
never understood me, honestly, Oh yo, I really never understood
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it because just because you're not a nine on the game.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That don't mean you ninety nine on the field.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Because you ninety six eighty four, well whatever, that don't
mean you like that now right? You have to prove
it to me every single week. You might start out
as a nine and nine, but I don't need to
see a ninety nine week one week, five week, ten week,
twelve week, fifteen, sixteen. The guys that got the rating, kudos,
uh Chase and Miles Garrett. And whether the quarterback they
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got nine or nine, I don't know. If they're the quarterback,
they got it. Like I said, I think uh.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Uh, I think Lamar Lamar, Lamar, Lamar lamar Jos Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Josh Allen. Yeah, they deserved it. Okay, cool, but I
promise you will y'all get it on the field. Ain't
nobody thinking about nobody rating Ojo? Well you would again,
you would against dB oh Man. I ain't gonna be
able to get over that Jo ninety six oh Man.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah. I don't know what I would do, but let.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Me taste something though. And Joe, Hey, the players really
do care about their ratings though they do.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I know they.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Joe, I didn't got I didn't. Got a few text
messages I see passing them like come on, so do
me right? Due is yes? And I tell them one thing.
If you got a problem with your your ratings, I
can show you why you are what you are. I
can break it down in PowerPoint presentation and let you know.
See they used to the players used to think, oh,
they got somebody that ain't never played the game and
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they don't know the rate. No, I know, I'm watching film.
I'm breaking film down, and we're we're basing your rating
based on your play, not just week to week, also
against elite play against other players at composition that are
really really good. Are you going to show up?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Don't?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Don't just play good when it's somebody that you know
is a little beneath you that you happen to be
going against week one and two? You know how you
show up against the big boys that are in your
upper echelon of skill and talent.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
A y'all know this, this this video game stuff, man,
And then came a long way, you know, from when
we was kids.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
So a lot of these cats.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Get oh yeah yeah, getting a chance to be in Madden,
getting a chance to be in NBA, two K, Like, yes,
the ratings are a big deal. Dudes look forward to,
you know, seeing what they got on the game. You
know what I mean, within themselves. So I kind of
understand it to an extent, but like say, it's shit.
You can't please everybody, man. Lamar Jackson in twenty nineteen
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was a seventy nine. Trevor Lawrence in twenty twenty two
was a seventy eight. Joe Burrow in twenty twenty one
was a seventy six. Patrick Mahomes in twenty seventeen was
a seventy six. Caleb Williams in twenty twenty five was
a seventy six. Josh Allen the year he came out
all these are rookies, I might add, was seventy four.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Cam Ward is a seventy two.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So Joe Burrow was a seventy six coming off the
Heisman Trophy and statistically had the greatest season ever for
a quarterback. He threw over five thousand yards and sixty
touchdowns and had chased so and he got a seventy six.
Lamar Jackson was a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and he
got a seventy nine. Patrick Mahomes just had a game
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where he threw for over seven hundred yards. Caleb Williams
a Heisman Trophy winning quarter back with a seventy six.
So I mean, what y'all want, y'all y'all want, y'all
want to put him? Y'all wanted man? And oh your
the adjusters, all those adjusters to put him at what
what would be a great What would be an ideal
rating for a rookie cab ward? Eighty five? Eighty sixty
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ain't nothing, but that's what I'm asking. What would be
an ideal rating to appease the masses?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Listen? What do he need? What do you need? An eighty?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Now we're here, seventy one right now, seventy two. I
think people think I'm just speaking probably for the people.
I think they specially gamers. Probably by the seventy eight,
seventy seven.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Hey, listen, he could be that by week five.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I understanding.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Listen, listen. Tennessee could be the dark horse team this year. Up.
There's only the team that come out of nowhere and just,
oh my goodness, they wore us. They do things we
thought they couldn't do based on what they did last year.
They might be him.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And I'm gonna understand why Lamar got a seventy nine
because Lamar had legs and and arm, So I can
see why the same reason he got in ninety nine,
the same reason Josh Allen got in ninety nine, because
not only can they beat you with their arm, they
can beat you with their legs.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So I get.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Why Lamar coming out with a seventy nine and Josh.
We knew he was athletic, but we didn't know Josh
was like this athletic. We saw Kayler Williams with the
hocus polkas and all that other the old things that
he did, Heisman Trophy winning. At the end of the day,
somebody wasn't gonna be happy with their rating. Somebody wasn't
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gonna be happy that they got a seventy. Somebody got
an eighty five and they're not happy with that. Somebody
got a ninety four and they're not happy with that.
So you're not going to be able to please everyone.
But I tell you what you can do. You can
play and change that grade it. You know what the
teacher used to tell you, Oh, I'm gonna give you
some extra curricular work and you can pull that b
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up to A A. Or you can take that A
and go to an A plus, or you can take
that C and take it to a B. That's all
on you. Okay, you don't like the grade the seventy two,
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It is. It is, it is. And speaking now to
be on the topic a football. You know what what
I love about I hate to go off topic. What
I love about Twitter right now is the clips that
I keep seeing from camp with the one on ones,
the receivers. I'm happy. I'm joy breaking down with each
receiver did wrong or what the dB did wrong but
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the dB did right, and with the receiver did wrong,
and just breaking it down and watching it. Man that
I'm talking about. I feel like a little kid in
the candy store just watching some of the videos from
from like Brown's camp. I saw some one on ones
with with the Panthers that ke Ke Coleman, ke On Coleman. Well,
(20:00):
Kean Coleman sent me.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
His one on one video so far from Buffalo. Yes,
he sent me.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
He sent them to my phone. I'm looking like, boy,
you've been putting some work, but it's all seated. So
and that's what I'm saying in my head. I ain't
even get a chance to hit him back. But he
sent me some stuff, you know, the go over and
just you know, to talk a little bit critique it.
Cochy man. Listen, man ke, I know you're probably gonna
see this boy. I gear that for right now, you know,
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but I need to see it on Sundays. I need
to see it on Sunday. But but you look good boy.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Because the thing is o jo. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
The difference between one on one and practice and one
on one in the game is that somebody might you
might think one on one and they playing zone. Well,
you know, one on one in practice, it's all one.
It's all man to man. Ain't a zone, right, so
you run it in hand.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You patient? Everybody got patience in practice. O yo.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Oh you're taking your time. You setting no boy up.
But you know come game time, hey, ain't nobody rushing
that see, ain't nobody in the quarterback and you got.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
To go to go all that.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Quarterback. This is what happened to your quarterback. Why you
did it? Your quarterback slop? Your quarterback slopped over the
wheel because he got hit the back of his head.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Man, it was it was I don't mean I'm so excited,
make me so excited. Though there was a there was
a rep on on on Twitter with Denzel Ward. Jesus Christ,
my god, this motherfucker so polished. Oh I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, yeah, come on, you're gonna get day. We ain't
gonna make no money tonight.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Bro Listen, listen, listen. It was Cedric Tillman and Denzel
Ward bump and run and and it was. It was
when it's done right, the game of football is so beautiful. Yes,
from a from a position standpoint, I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna break it down right now, but it was.
It was man that with Dinzel Wards. It's nice about
the technician.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, well, see the thing is he's he's a small frame,
so he has to be nice because he doesn't he
doesn't have you.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Know, overwhelming sides right right, so you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Saying, Oh Joe, So he his technique has to be flawless,
and it is.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I mean, you though, he's here here, you know he
he's great that he's loose in his hips, so he's
great to eat, to turn, to run. He's very fluid.
He transitions very well. When you hear oh he transitioned. Hey,
he back pedal, drop a start to run. Hey, dB,
comeback in the comeback. Oh, y'all on that too. Yeah,
I'm one that too. I dropped my hips. I'm on
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that too.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Hey. So I just want you to know I'm right here, Hey,
Uncle o Joe. And at this time and the year,
at this at this time of the.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Year doing camp. Tell me something, y'all, y'all enjoy coming
into camp already like in peak shape or you kind
of use camp to kind of you know, get it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
In peak shape. You get in shape player.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Football no matter how much he does out.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I see guys out there who don't look like they're
in great shape, man, And I see some guys who
look like that in elite shape. That's all I'm saying.
I'm saying, like, but where's your mindset coming into camp? No,
the thing was, look I taped off like the last
two weeks, I was still I was probably like not
at that point in time, I was probably ninety percent.
Because here's the thing. This is how you know you're
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not in shape. When they were putting that two minute
drill on your ass and every a you run a go,
you run a post and you wanna come back. Yes,
And the first thing you do this after three plays,
that lets you know right now you ain't where you
need to be. Comes to and and come and now
that's what happens to guys now, o Joe, because at
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least and and uh and preseason, we're gonna get everything
that we need to do in the regular season, we're
gonna get to some of that. Yeah, they're gonna say,
you know what, because Mike might say, you know what,
We're gonna open up the game with two minutes.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
We're gonna open up the game with no.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Huddle because I want to make sure we get some
of that with our number ones. So before anybody gets Dean,
I'm gonna make sure we get that. We're gonna get
some short yardage in goal line. We're gonna make sure
we get some a twelve personnel, We're gonna get some
eleven personnel. You know, we're gonna get some empty set.
We're gonna get all of that, Joe. But yes, it
gives you a great foundation because we've been sprinting on
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the track, and we've been running.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Hundreds and two hundreds and one, fifties and threes.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
We've been doing all that, But we ain't been doing
none of that with no helmet and no joke past.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's what we ever been doing exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And so now once guys start leaning on you and
we all do always do that stuff on the third day,
when that soreness, when that old man city, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Already that old man said it on your joke man.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Listen, Hey, look, I enjoyed camp like it was always fun.
But the best times is when you come into camp
and you already kind of in great, great shape because
they gonna run the dogs.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Jock out in the NBA. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You're gonna do a lot of seventeen you know them, Uh,
I forgot what was naming them down the backs and
you gotta make it a certain amount of time, y'all.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Y'all do suicide NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
What man, Listen, I don't know what they're doing right now,
but I'm saying, when I came into the league, ohoe
and oh one man, we work, bro, like I'm talking
about line drill seventeens just the end practice. Yeah, like
you had to be in shape, bro. You had we
had we had conditioning tests that we had to do.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Hey, they was on that coach Cartervoutine.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't see that. But oh Joe,
that's what we did too. See, we we did two
minutes at the end of practice. We never did two
minutes at the beginning of practice. He said, because guess
what it's gonna be at the end of game, in
which you're gonna need a two minute So why doing
it when you freshest, when you're gonna be at your
tired laking the ball game. So that's what I want.
Hey man, we beat up Red and did all that stuff,
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all right, two minutes two minutes, man, I just got
off the field. They get you cut off hot, yeah,
they get you where you had it worse when you
tied dead dog tied. You re to get up out
of there, get get down on there. We got seventeen
everybody gotta make it. What yeah, yeah, And that's what
that's And so yes, you want a good foundation and
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and and you're right, Joe, if you got that good foundation,
it's a lot easier. But man, ain't nothing like football
football shape. But playing football, you got to do it
you because you ain't blocking guys, I mean, you gotta
drive to try to get the guy. Hey, O joga.
You gotta run, guys. You gotta run guys out because
you don't want to block up and run the risks.
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You got to run twenty thirty yards down the field
and come back and guess what do it again? If
it's another run, play or it might be a play.
Oh Joe, Hey, you ready for this deep ball?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Now you Hey, you just ran to god thirty yards.
Now you got to come back and run a go ball.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And you better and you better hope it's complete because
now you got to run back again.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It get a look different when the guys get on you,
I know, because it's just like in basketball. You ain't
in You can go go to the track, get on
the treadmill, do all the running you want to. But
once you get out there, somebody go to touching on
you and pushing you. It's it's a lot different, all right, guys,
Brown's on the Jimmy Haslm felt the need of unprompted
to tell the media yesterday that your door Sanders was
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not his pick. Let's take a listen to what the
owner had to say about selecting your door.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Good process.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Okay, and if you just told me you see you
picked him on Saturday, right Friday night, driving home pic
your door, I would say that that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
But we had a conversation earlier that morning, in your
conversation later that.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Day up here at the right people involved in.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The conversation, or if at the end of the day,
that's in Barry's call, if you made the call to
picture door, just like he's gonna start or what play
we're gonna call.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It is Kevin's call. But that's that's Andrew's call and
made them talk. Who asked him that?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Why did he Why did he feel the need to
share that information on Joe?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Nobody? That's what unprompted?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So you drift, Mitch, ain't Nobody asked you what round
did you think was gonna take your dow in?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Why did you take? Nobody asked you that.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, if so he felt the need, and I get it,
Yes he's the owner, but it's like, I'm like, bro,
if y'all felt if you feel this well by your door,
why y'all still got Themand it seemed like every time
I turn around, oh Joe, somebody trying to take a
dig at it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, Well I got I got a question. I have
a question for the chat and Uncle Joe. I'm not
sure if y'all know how long did Jimmy hasn't been
with the Cleveland Browns A long ass time, A long time.
So since two thousand, the Cleveland Browns have thirty five
different starting quarterbacks. In two thousand, thirty five different starting quarterbacks.
But now you're going to take it for yourself to
(28:42):
say that jadere saying is one your pick and that's
probably why it's gonna work, because you had no dealings
in him being drafted. I'm watch all God work, watchy'all
God work.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
What about all the other picks you had who picked
with they?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
He is?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But he hey, listen, he never He never came out
before and said never.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Hey, hey, when I when I look at it, when
I look at it, I just like how a young
man going about itself?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Man should do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like, there's no there's no better way to go about
this than keep your head down and keep working.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Bro. He's uh. I think he's been doing a phenomenal
job at that. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I think everybody's been keeping up with what's been going
on in Cleveland. I know I have UH and he
looked like he looked like he looks comfortable out there
first and foremost, and he looks like he's still enjoying
the game, man. And I think this is just more
you know, fuel to the fire as opposed to it's
gonna help him out throughout the regular season, throughout his
season or throughout his NFL career in general. So I
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understand what what what the owner said, but uh, I
think she do it doing an awesome job. With all
this that's going around. You can see he's in the community,
not only in the community, but he looked like he's
playing his butt off.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Now. I don't know how much. I don't know how
much any of this.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Way with you know, what he's been doing in you know,
in the OTAs and off season and camp and all that.
But I mean, I don't lie, bro. I know, you know,
they ain't out there hitting or nothing like that. But
he looks comfortable out that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Well.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's really hard for me to say because from everything
that I read, he gets one or two reps with
the first team and one or two reps period and
that's it. It's reported that his dad wanted to come
to camp just like he went to a Tampa. He said, no,
Daddy said Dad, he said, I might get three or
four reps. He says, I'm not where I want to be.
But what if reported is being reported is true? But
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once I get to where I want to be, coming
up being right. But I don't get this who it
was that was? That was an Andrew Barry's pick. And
just like the guys that play that's such and such.
So all these quarterbacks that y'all had, and I mean
you have Baker, So who's picked with Baker and Baker. Look,
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Baker had had a decent and he got injured and
for whatever reason, you know Baker's telling the story, they
wanted him to, you know, turn tone it down a
little bit and wouldn't let him be himself. And you see,
Baker is like himself in Tampa and he's thriving. Now,
does he have a better collection of wide receivers around
him and Tampa that he had in Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yes he does, he does.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Ain't no sense in us trying to fool Foolan said
he has the same level of skill position players around
him because he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
He just doesn't.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
But I don't get why Jimmy Haslam felt the need
to take this shot.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
That should do her.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh uh, you know, if you'd have told me we
were gonna take him, I was like, that's not gonna
happen or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
He said? Why? I mean, why, why? Why did he
feel the need to say that? O Joe?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
You know what they're trying to do. You know what
they're trying to do, trying to break him. They use
the draft trying to break him. We're gonna make him. Wait, okay,
now he's here, he's doing everything he's supposed to do,
doing everything he's supposed to do plus the extra. Then okay,
how can we break him down? He's out here playing
very well to you, I told you what hey, listen,
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mayear is over that now, and is is over there.
I don't need to be there to see and hear
they with me? Now? So what do we do now?
He's playing well, he's got the offense down, he's not
making too many mistakes. He's throwing touchdowns where he's running
with the one to two three of the falls.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
So what we do now?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
The one has to come and try to break him again,
break his spirit a little.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Bit, Barry Pitt.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But listen, but why though, is it because of what
they may seem to be is flamboyant in college, because
he would a jewey, he would the ice Y's just
part of who he is. Man, It's just part of
his swag. That's how he grew up.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Hey, really, Joe, honestly, that's all the collegiate athletes coming
out of college this year. Everybody look at all of them.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
They got a little bread, and so it seemed like
to me a week attempt. The guy's already.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Look.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I know what people you say, Hey, you can you
maintain confidence, but when you're not getting any run, and
you used to like, I'm a prime example of that.
I used to call my brother. I said, man, I
ain't get no run today. All he said, just be ready,
he said, John Elwire, gonna call your number, but make
sure when he called your number. I like, man, you
keep saying that. You said that yesterday all my number,
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he said. I said, you keep I'm saying to myself,
you keep saying that, but it ain't happening. And sure enough.
But I was like, I ain't got nothing but time.
The way I looked at it, Joe and O Joe,
is that as long as I'm here, I still got
a chance. It's like, when I'm no longer there, I
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don't have a chance to make the team. So as
long as I can state, the longer I stay, because
guess what, I'm gonna do something. Y'all gonna put me
somewhere and I'm gonna flash something I'm gonna make. I'm
gonna make a block, you gonna put me on special teams.
I'm gonna do something that you say, you know what?
That came from Savannah State. He too big, too strong,
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too fast, not for us to final play by hey,
create a create a job for me.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
We ain't high.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
And the funny, the funny thing about it is all
the turmoil, all the all the negativity, but it's coming
from the Cleveland media, whether it's coming from the owner
gym has him and saying he wasn't my pick. When
that preseason starts and he gets his opportunity, the cream
is gonna rass at the top no matter what, because
good at doing one thing, he's good at playing football. Yes,
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he's good at playing football. He's been a winner from
Jackson State, the goddamn Colorado And now you're in a
different environment and that journey starts all over again. Even
with the enemy right in your backyard against you.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Sometimes that's that's really hard to overcome, OYO, When when
it seems like the people rooting against you, that's right there.
I mean, I thought I thought, I thought we was
all in this thing together. It don't seem like it.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I tell you, I tell you who on the side, though.
I tell you who on the side when that goddamn
when that goddamn stadium started rooting, start screaming for Shador,
when that goddamn dog pound start going crazy and the
chance starts start shouting for Shador, when things ain't going
right with the Browns, all right, I guarantee you know what,
(35:37):
watch watch how to Play Out.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I just hope, I just hope he's still he's around,
loading up for those said things to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
That that that that's because think about o, Yo, you
signed Joe Flacco eighteen years well, you know he's not
He's year eighteen. He's not your answer long term. You
re signed Kenny Pickett hoping that he got a little
hamstring tweak. So now basically is Dylan Gabriel uh uh
and should do her. But it seemed like Flacco and
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get Gabriel and and and Flacco getting all the reps.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That's what it appears to me from what I read now.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm not I'm not you know, following it that close
because that you know, put all that time in there,
and and guys that you're watching, they're not gonna be there.
So as they get to the preseason on show, you
get the game or two and so we'll get a
better understanding, a better feel like okay, this kid, you know,
get an opportunity to see them guys play, like.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, he can play.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Because I want to see guys play against somebody playing
somebody else just trying to make a team.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Also, you don't know you y'all, don't walk.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Off the field talking hey man, hey, you know what
you're gonna do tonight?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Or well you know what you what you know such
and such.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Hey, I want to see you go against another guy
in another colored uniform that's in the same situation that
you are. He's trying to make he's trying to live
out his fantasy. He's trying to live out his dream.
He's trying to make sure his mom and his grandma
and if he has a kid or a girlfriend or
significant other. He's trying to make sure they're taken care of,
(37:07):
just like you. But this, I'm shocked by what Jimmy
Haslom had to say because nobody asked him. Nope, this
was something that you probably should have asked. Oh Joe,
after the draft, you asked, you asked this, Okay, So
what was your thought process taking your door in the
fifth round? You know, they said the grade they had
on him, the grade they had, and the grade they had.
(37:27):
So that's when you're like, well, hey, we felt that,
you know, we had this grade on him, and we
felt that, you know, he might be there, so we said,
now round between rounds four and five, if he's there,
we're gonna grab it. Okay, But that's a couple that's
a day after the drift. That's two days at worked
at best work case, that's a week after the draft.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
O Joe, the drift was in April.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
After the drift was in April, and here we are
that like May June July. That's three that's three months.
If we talking about that's an Andrew Berry pick and listen.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I can understand if your decision making in the past,
as if you the goddamn quarterback whisper yes, coming out
and saying something like that and being confident about it,
like you just yeah, been making golden when it came
to picking quarterbacks the last thirty five with your picks
in nothing. So probably this one that you had nothing
to do with, that might be the answer.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
If you Green Bay, y'all got bred farg and then
you get Aaron Rodgers and now you got George Love,
I would say, well, you know what, hey, oh Joe, Joe.
He might be on the s right right half. They
about to half fifty years of prosperity at the quarterback position.
But when you've had thirty five years of turmoil and
chaos at the quarterback position, with the exception of maybe
(38:48):
a year or two here or there, you got one
year Derek Anderson, you got a couple of years with Baker,
but other than that, let's be realistic. Now, come on, Browns. Yeah,
and she does strikes me as a guy. You know,
when them lights come on, yo, I feel like he
gonna perform at the highest level, you know what I mean,
Like he gonna put on you know what I mean.
(39:09):
That's that's the type of guy. He strikes me as so, man,
I'm gonna be paying attention to them.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Brown.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
See what's gonna happen? Now, they got four quarterbacks over there, right?
What they what they gonna doka?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I don't see a team keeping four quarterbacks, man, you know,
part a part of me, a part of me. Hope
they like try to put him on the practice squad
and somebody comes side there.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
So they so you can carry you know, they'll carry
three quarterbacks and put.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
One on the that's too many positions because the quarterbacks
don't play special team. So you got it though, because
there's only there's only forty six guys, those spots are valuable.
Normally you're carrying a guy, a wide receiver that could
you know, he can play multiple positions. He can play
the eggs, he can play the Z, he can play
the slot, and he plays special team. Same thing with
(39:52):
a linebacker, same thing with the swing offensive line. But
he can play guard, he can play tackle. Okay, So
that's what to look at it. I'm looking at a
guy that can play multiple positions because if I get
somebody to go down, what can a quarterback do? Side quarterback?
Maybe your hope maybe maybe in high school. Oh Joe,
(40:15):
he punted or kicked to something. But for the most part,
you keep If you're gonna keep somebody extra, it's gonna
be a wide receiver, a dB, somebody that can play
special teams.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
That's why they say he Special teams is the quickest.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Way to earn a place on the rocks unless you
wanted the top Now you top dog. Got mean, we
get that, you Joe Burrow or Chase or somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Lamards, we get that.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
But guys that are not that are not extra, like
say starter that when hey Rue's up, he runs on
the field, and when if far and down, he comes
off the field, and he ain't got to stay out
there for punting. Special team. The more you can do,
the longer you can play. The more you can do,
the longer you can play. And but I don't, I don't.
(41:02):
I didn't like this at all because, like I said,
here we are three months in Ojoe and this man
talking about that's an Andrew Barry Pick.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
It's trying to break him up. It's all mind games.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
They are they are, they are, they did what they did.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
They like, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna show you,
We're gonna we're gonna show coach Prime. You know, they
talking about you know, the man Ings and everybody looked
at the man, even Eli did what he did, and
you know Arch and you know, so forth and so on.
They're like, Nah, you're not gonna do that. We're gonna
show you that. We're gonna start it right here, and
then we're gonna take a little further. We only gonna
get your handful of reps.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And we're gonna see how how how long?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Hey, if I'm trying to break it, they say they
put you in solitary, solitary o Joe, because they say,
you know, we used to communicate it, and when there's
no one to communicate to you, and all you can
do is hear your heart beat and the only the
only communication is going on in your own head.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And you know what, that could be a good thing.
Sometimes they put people in solitary confinement, right, and it
does it more, It does it more good than harm
because it gives you to much time to think.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, I want to be a solitary away from you.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Sorry you can Yeah, I wanted to be a solitaire
oh your cause I want to be away from you. Sorry,
Mobo so y'all back rub off on me. I think
I think, look, look, I think he definitely locked in.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Though you can see it, Bro, you can see it, well,
he doesn't really, he really doesn't have a choice.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I think I think Time has done a great job
Time dealing with what he's dealing with. Cause think about
it now, it's still Time, son. But in the meantime,
I've got to deal with what I've got to deal with.
I've got something gravely going on with me and I
got two sons that because the only coach that should
do has ever had has been Time. Yep, he's the
(42:53):
only only play for his dad played for his daddy.
Jay played for his dad in high school and coming up,
he coached him in Pop Warner. Time used to take
them kids all over the place. They play Snoop Dogg.
They played, end up playing Snoop Dogg. When because the
Time and I went to the hall together. Uh, they
playing all up in Texas. They coming, they coming, and
they're driving playing other teams. I think they played while
(43:15):
they was up there in Canton. So that's the only
coach you've ever had. And now my dad's think about it, man,
my dad dealing with something I don't know, you know,
what's really going on, because Tom said, you know, I
really didn't let the boys know what was really going
on because they gotta focus on that. The last thing
is to let your mind wander, O Joe. You know
(43:37):
when you in camp, hey, I'm here. That's what I
tell when you hear you gotta be here now. Now,
when you over there, deal with whatever you gotta deal
with over there, and don't.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Worry about here. But when you hear you gotta be here.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
And so I think Time did a great job of
shielding him, not telling them the extent of what's really
going on with him so he can stay locked in.
Especially we know how hard the quarterback position is to play,
Oh Joe, the last thing you need is to be
worried about man, Pops, Man, samn, Pops. Really, Pop's really
messed up right now? Man, I ain't getting no burn.
(44:14):
Pops messed up on a trip and saying all kind
of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Man, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
It's like I said, you don't know what a person's
going through. You don't know, Uh, you know, you try
not to, you try to compartmentalize when I'm here, Joe, Ojoe,
I'm here, and like when i'm when I'm done, I'll
deal with whatever I need to deal with off the field.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I'll deal with that. Then.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Man, you just say, man, I can, I can. I
can brain work home, but I can't take you to work.
And that's how it is. You can't be cause they
tell you, oh yeah, there's there's more important things than sports.
They line they say that for for the public, for
for public. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no no. When
(45:00):
you play a professional sport, o jo, they're making a
buddy leclear. Oh yeah, that's the most important thing is
that sport. Yeah, So Chel, keep your head up, keep
plugging away. Boy, do your thing. You built for this,
You are built for this. Daryl Murray also felt the
need to talk about the Lakers twenty twenty title today.
(45:22):
Murray said, had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely
would have celebrated as legitimate, knowing the immense effort and resilience.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Required.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yet everyone speaking around the league privately agrees that it
doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship. Perhaps the
last legacy of the NBA bubble is that the NBA
should be proud of its leadership at both the beginning
and the end of the pandemic, even through the champion
will forever be marked by an asterisk. Daryl morri you
should be the last one to talk after what you
(45:52):
almost blew up by saying what you said about China,
and you got your busses, you got your butt.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Out of there.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Every see, everybody talks about, Well, it's an asterisk because
you didn't win it. Now you just said, I absolutely
would have celebrated as legitimate doing the admiss everyty resilience
that it took to do it. But now because you
didn't win it, So is there astery by the strike
(46:23):
a short year? What year that was? Ninety nine?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah? The strike short? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. What about twenty twelve? Twenty twelve?
Was the strike short? Didn't y'all didn't y'all? Wasn't y'all shorten?
Twenty twelve?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Joke? Yeah yeah, And uh, he don't ask you about
that one.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, he put that astray by the bubble.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
But I honestly think because he didn't win, absolutely, But
I honestly think I didn't think it was an advantage
to anybody playing in the bubble, you know what I mean,
Like I wouldn't put no astray by, you know, because nobody.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Ten's probably harder, y'all. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, No,
I don't know if it was harder than neither. I
don't feel like because you took away a lot of
the elements of traveling, playing in altitude environments, things of
that sort, like we are all right here, No, what
about you couldn't go nowhere? Yeah, I mean I know that.
I know that's hard. I knew that was hard. You know,
(47:20):
I'm saying, I tell you what I would do. I'll
tell you what I would do, Joe. I would put
you in. I would put you in your house for
one hundred days and all you could do is go
to your backyard and come home.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
How much you can't do nothing? How much money I'm
making whatever? The playoffs play? Okay, So he's saying, just
to play. Yeah, that's because that's what they can.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Don't get no extra Hey, look, hey, look, I wasn't
locked obviously, you know I played in CBT.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
It wasn't It wasn't nowhere near.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
It's being locked in for ninety days or how many
days those guys locked in. I played in the TVT
and it was a quarantine environment. We was locked in
a hotel for like seven it's about ten days. So
I know, I know the challenges that these dudes had
to go through, But I'm saying I don't think it
should be an asterisk, like I think everybody was. No,
(48:10):
absolutely not. Yeah, no, I think I think everything about
with THET. Think about the pandemic itself.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Joke.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, people losing their mind. They couldn't go nowhere, o choke.
You couldn't go to a you couldn't go sit inside
a restaurant, or you couldn't go to a club, or
you couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I don't know how it was in some places, but
I happened to be in Cali at the time. And
when I say Callie shut it down, Callie shut it down.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Now I know.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Georgia shut it down for a week. Florida shut it down.
Georgia wasn't shut down, but they were getting two of
that out here. You and me, huh, I'll go yeah, yeah,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
O Joe, listen.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
It was it was easy for them, especially during that time.
It was easy for the people that don't actually that
don't be outside. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't go anywhere anyway.
So when the when the pandemic happened, listen, I chose
that time to catch up on some stuff Netflix, movies
that hadn't seen. You know, I would tweet what should
I watch? Hell, I ain't see the Wire? You know
(49:06):
I was? Was I playing during that time? No? I
think I think I might have forgot where it was.
I had never seen the wire. The people told me
to watch the Wire. I watched Ozark, I caught up.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
On Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
I caught up on all types of stuff on Netflix.
That was good. I had a bunch of cigars with me,
and you know, I had a little cor for machine. Heah,
I ain't need to go nowhere. Everything I needed was
right here. And then I got my game.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Hey, but look though, and he's talking about yet everyone
go ahead, oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Do y'all think that the.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
The COVID times, it really changes because think about this.
You know, you had your homeboys or your friends talking
about they want to come over. You don't know what
they done being You're like, hold on now, you can't
come over, bro, you know what I mean? And then
since it's been over a lot of us are still
kind of knuckled up. Hey, hey, hey, how you doing
(49:53):
bro right? Hey?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah? Yeah, even still announced to this day like that.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, Darryl Moore said, Yet everyone I speak to around
the league probably agreed that it truly doesn't hold up
as a genuine championship. So did you ask people around
the league what they thought about what you said about China?
Asking what they genuinely think about how you almost blew
it up right right?
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
You know why? Let me tell you why did because
Lebron James won it? Anybody any other superstar had won
that championship, Joe Johnson, you and I both know it'd
been legit. It was because Lebron James wanted it ain't legit.
You think that's why a lot of people put that in. Yeah, yes, absolutely,
(50:47):
Michael Kobe, Larry Magic, it, Deah, anybody else. And that's
what I asked him. I said, Okay, y'all say, well,
because you said that Lebron came to LA to be
a sixth Saint Kevin Hart, he came to be a movie.
He came to win an oscar as opposed to a
(51:07):
Larry O'Brian trophy. Okay, he comes out here, he plays,
he wins. Now, so what's what's the what's the debate?
Had anybody else done that? I say, now, y'all say
that's what he did? I say, now, oh, man, Jordan
was past this prime Jordan. I say, let me ask
you a question. Had Jordan won the NBA title, would
(51:28):
y'all say he won seven? Or would he ever just
won six? Come on, now, y'all said, y'all game seven? Yeah,
but because he didn't win, Oh, he wasn't even trying
to win.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yes, he was.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
I thought that everything Georgie Tech was serious. The reason
why they did it like this is because Lebron won.
Had anybody else won, they not calling the Bubble Tech Championship.
They're not calling it saying an asterisk needs to be added.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
They wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Even Darryl Morre, even Darryl Morray is trying to man
is the man. I guarantee you take it. I guarantee
you take it. You need to worry about Philly. That's
what you need to do. All that money. I tell you, what,
pull another season like you had this year and see
what happened to you.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
But he the owner though what they gonna do then.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Gentle JOHNH. Harris is the owner.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Okay, Okay, you think they're fire.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Have another boy? He you see that money he done
gave out. Yeah, it's you miss the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Somebody gonna have to go. Joe.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
They still yeah, they still owe Joe L and B.
Damn near three hundred million.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
They gave TDD Reeves maxim Max deal. They got Paul
George on the Max deal.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Maxy.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
If Paul, if Paul ni a ankle, whatever whatever it is,
if he come back healthy, they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
He don't get healthy as you get older. I think
he just had another procedure too. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, Hey, I wish I could give all them boys
my and legs, man and arms and akilis and knees.
I just damn, man, I hate seeing people get injured.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Man, this some boy, But who asked you?
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Hold up? Who asked him this? Everybody just feel like
they ever really talking to movie?
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Today? Is just Joe.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Everybody was in a real talking to movie today, Oh Joe. Yeah, so,
ain't nobody bro, It's twenty twenty five. They just got
the new package Amazon. Somebody Amazon just got spent seventy
seven billion, seventy six billion. Amazon got a package, NBC
got a package. He has He ain't got a package.
They about to make money out to Yin Yang and
you talking about twenty twenty five? Why yeah, I promise you.
(53:48):
Nobody in the history of the game has received more
criticism than Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
And it's crazy for what.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Because he's no matter what you thought about it, man,
I think he's gonna be good. He's exceeded all expectations,
no matter what you thought he.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Might be, He's exceeded everything. Nobody.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
People say, ain't nobody gonna break Kareem's record, because first
of all, you're not gonna play long enough and you're
not gonna be consistent enough. He did that. Man, Ain't
nobody gonna get no. Nineteen All Star Games? He got
twenty one. Man Ain't nobody gonna be no. All the
NBA all those times he got twenty one thirteen first teams.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I just don't get it, man, Listen, he go uh ojo.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Y'all know when you when you've been at the top
for so long, they gotta start, they gotta start picking
at you.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Bro. They got they gotta start picking at it. It's
just kind of a part of it.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
That's just kind of what it seems like, because, like
like you said, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
He's exceeded expectations.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
I'm talking about for him since the time he came
into the NBA and what eighteen nineteen years old man
expect they put on him, he exceeded at That's crazy. Yes, yeah,
there's not a whole lot of eighteen year old old
get handed.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
The keys to a franchise. Oh man, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
No college, no dominant male. I mean, I guess the
dominant male figures would be his coach, coach Drew. They
don't hand the keys to a franchise to an eighteen
year old.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
That's what he did. That's what they gave him.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
That's what they gave him.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
I mean, it's it's almost like, well, my favorite player
didn't play that long, he should just go.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
Why.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
I guarantee you if your favorite player could play at
that level that he's playing at, he'd stayed.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Kobe body broke down on him.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
He had to shoulder towards labrum, and he had their
keen Ley's injury, and he was just he had given
it all he got. And you know what, Kobe was
that Mercedes that had five hundred thousand miles on it.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
And it just pulled out of the road and it
just stopped.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
You don't think Jordan, if Jordan could have still played
at that elite level, you don't think he just continued
to play of cards.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
We all would playing right now.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Of course they're mad at the man that's taking care
of his body for this long. Lord is blessed and
beyond blessed, and he's able to play at an elite level.
Even in year twenty two. The man average twenty four
eight and eight in year twenty two, and everybody else
the average. I don't even think anybody did anybody average
twenty two the average double figures and year twenty twould
(56:41):
what considering that only Vince Carter's played the twenty two
twenty two seasons.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
I mean, think about that man, and we just tried,
and people just try to find things to nit picking,
to pick him apart, and I just I just I
just I'll I'll just never I'll just never understand why why,
I mean, it's gonna I mean, he's gonna be gone
(57:08):
and then you know, eventually KD. Eventually Steph will have
new guys in there. What that's when he'll be missed
the most, though, I mean.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Somebody else, somebody else will take his place on somebody
else that they're going to love to hate somebody.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
There's never been anybody before or since him that's been
like this. Nobody, nobody defy you to find it. Even
if you look at the bad Boy Pistons. Nope, they
didn't like they didn't dislike them like they disliked this man.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
I think when it's when he when he hangs it up,
everybody's gonna miss it because what he's done.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah,
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