Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Antoine Walker react to Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors beating the Houston Rockets to go up 2-1 and the Denver Nuggets winning a thriller to beat the Los Angeles Clippers to tie the series 2-2!
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games were very interesting to the very end. The first
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one O Joe, y'all in trouble. Y'all in trouble. But
let's start with the Warriors with a one to four
to ninety three victory. Steph Curry got it going. Hey,
when he's off the court, they're not the same team.
But he came back and they are very different teams.
Thirty six points, seven rebounds, nine assists. They did all
of this without Jimmy Butler. They got some timely. I
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think Buddy Hill has seventeen points GP. The second two
he came up the bench May and he was sensational,
playing outstanding defense and made some time three and he
really closed the game out. Steph Curry is the oldest
player in the NBA history to have a playoff game
in which he scored thirty points, five rebounds, five assists
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with five frees. Steph Curry assisted or scored on sixteen
of the twenty three points they had in the third quarter.
The Warriors did not score a single basket with Steph
wasn't on the court in the first half. That just
goes to show you just how valuable he is because
he opens it up for so many other people because
you have to double him because he has unlimited range. Kwan,
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You're watching this game and it looked like houster like, now,
oh damn, Houston might go on the road.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's still the first one on the road, playing very
very well.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Jalen Green was playing out of his mind, stragoon dv
Dylan Brooks playing well.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
But he got in fil trouble. He goes to the bench.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
What did you like about what you saw from the
Warriors and how were they able to pull this out
after being behind the majority of the game.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Actually, I really to be honest, I like the fact that,
you know, Steph obviously played great. You know he's gonna
have to have a monster game with Jimmy being out.
But man, Buddy Hill and Gary Page second man came
up here with You know, when those guys scored the basketball,
they become real dangerous. And that's what they need because
Draymond Grant and at this point in his career is
not gonna score the ball.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
He's gonna do a lot of changeables.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
He's gonna rebound, he's gonna defend, he's gonna get some steals.
So they gotta get scoring for Steph. You know, when skeeth,
you gotta have somebody else that's gonna help Steph out.
And that's what made it great tonight to see those
guys step up. You never know what's gonna happen with
those stay you know, Steve Kurzman messing with coming of
this series too, hasn't really been let them play, So
you don't know who's gonna show up.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Big, especially with Jimmy out. But a huge game and
Steph being Steph.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
That's one thing about you know, Steph probably can win
two games in the series by himself, and this was
one of them tonight.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, at this point in his career, Draymond is rich.
He's never been a score He doesn't really look to score.
He's looking to do a great job of handling the ball,
sitting great pigs, rebounding defended as you mentioned, and initiating
the offense.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Gary Payton the second.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
In the fourth quarter, he had eleven point three rebounds,
one of sis he was one hundred percent from the floor,
one hundred percent from the three. He played exceptional in
the second when he got in there. He and Buddy Hill,
as you mentioned, twe Oh Joe, what'd you like about
what you saw from the Warriors?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I mean, listen, and I like what I saw from
the words. Obviously Steph did what Stephan normally does. But listen,
Like Ton said, I thought the Rocker.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I thought the Rockers was gonna steal a game, especially
with the way they were playing Steph. They had somebody
running tracking him everywhere all over the court. You know them,
young bull, You know everybody over there.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Young. So he tried.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
They trying to set screen, to set fix, and they
on Steph and they contest and everything, make it every
shot difficult all the way up into the half. And listen,
he just exploded in the second half, hitting a lot
of shots. But I think one of the reasons with Jimmy,
with Jimmy Butler being out, obviously you need a stef
to have a game like this day, and he can
go off like this and win win a game by himself.
He had thirty six, twelve or twenty three. But the
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supporting cast, Buddy Hill went crazy with seventeen. Gary Payton Jr.
Contributed as well over sixteen, and the Warriors bench outscored
the Rockets UH forty two to thirty one. And that
was a major fact and why they were able to
win this game.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Well, it looked like they started early to one. They
was blessing him, They was trapping him, getting the ball
out of his hands. They want to make him give
it up. And and if you notice, lady in steph career,
Steph is sometimes I thought early he would force the three.
Steph doesn't have a problem putting the ball on the
floor and go into the basket.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Not to one. That makes him dangerous because the.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
US before like a nah, Bro, you're not We're not
worried about you driving the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So you know we're gonna hug up on you.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Nah, Steph say nah, he has too good, bro, because
I can put it on and go behind my back
between my legs and I.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Can finish with either hand.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And he's unafraid to shoot that mid range also, so
he's his game when he gets that three ball going,
When he shoots the ball and he's turning, he's starting.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I got something for y'all y'all. Hey, y'all get that
dangerous one. Be dangerous listen. I stick with Houston.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You don't have to respect the fact that Steph Curry
is who he is, obviously one of the greatest players
of all time.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You gotta double to take the ball in his hands.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
You gotta make one of those other guys see if
they can get twenty twenty five points tonight.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You can't allow step especially the game.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Once Jimmy Butler was not playing, I would have double
Steph the whole game.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I wouldn't allow Steph to beat me.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I will see if I would have seen him, Commander,
I would have seen them Buddy Hill, Gary Pagon a second,
even though Buddy had to go pay the second. If
thought playing t Riffin tonight and let's see if they
can do it in an all series law, I'm not
gonna just let them beat me. I can't let step
beat me if he had no you know, he's gonna
have one of those nights where nobody's gonna be able
to But you gotta flood out guard him and double
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team him as much as possible and make somebody else
beat you. If Houston wants to win, because Houston don't
have enough scoring. I love Houston. I love the fact,
I love their mentality, I love the way they play.
They play hard, but you know, in this league, you
gotta score some points. They just don't have enough fireparty offensively.
So if you go if you're not gonna be able
to score the basketball, you gotta defend at a really,
really high level.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think the thing is one is that they're so
athletic and they're used to getting up and down. But
you know, come playoff time, they're gonna make your ass
play in the half court. So you better be able
to run some sets. And that's what's saying. If you
go back and look at Golden State, look at when
they run that made their run, they would be able
to run set. Step is perpetual motion. He's not gonna stop.
So if you think you got him guarded on one side,
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you better tell the guy, hey, Harry, come over to
you so he can be on his best behavior, because
he and somebody's gonna set a pig. Because so you
have to watch him. You have to keep literally keep
your eyes on him at all times because if you
turn your head for just a second, he'll backdoor you
or they hit that flare to him to the corner
and then now he's splashing the three in your eyes
and you're like, well, damn, and you can guard good
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for twenty one, twenty two, twenty three seconds and he'll
let the ball go and it's splashed. And it's so
demoralizing when you play defense for that long one and
you don't have anything to show for it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Couriero, Joe, I'm gonna say that. That's gonna say the
same thing.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I think the Rockets did a very very good job
trying to contain him and do as much as they
can to disrupt his rhythm, obviously in the first half,
but knowing even though they would, even though they have
the younger legs, they were unable to continue to do that. Obviously,
Steph going off and at some point he's one of
those players on no matter what the game plan is,
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you just hope to contain them because you're not gonna
be able to stop him.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And that's what young boy did tonight. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The thing is if he see one or two of
them go in and you can, you can play the
perfect defense, and you saw the I mean he'll start
fawling out of bounds and launch.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
At the ball. You're like that, ain't got no business
going in.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That should not have fallen, but it does and it
gives him a jot of energy. So now you got
your work cutout for him, because, like Twan say, you
might have to bless him or trap him at half court.
You've got to make him give that ball up and
make someone else beat you. I'm gonna see, let's see
if buddy, he'll can go get thirty six. Let's see
object of Gary Payton a second, if he can go
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get me a twenties, because I cannot let Steph do
what he does and let the auxiliary guys do what
they're doing. By adding to that, if you do that,
you ask them for a lot. But I agree with you,
twe I thought with minus Jimmy Butler, I said, you
know what, anybody but Steph. Anybody but Steph ab s
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anybody but step And you.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Know what and think And I have a lot of
respect for you, Doug. I think you want to have
great young coaches in the league. I just got to
make somebody else beat me. I cannot let Steph beat me.
Once Jimmy Butler puts a DNP and he don't put
that uniform on. I'm making somebody else beat me. I
I just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I can't see Steph with thirty seven forty points and
really controlling and dominating the game. I'm pretty sure they're
gonna look at the film and your dope was a
little stuff and we all know that he doesn't. Stephan
is probably top ten, top fifteen club I ever played
the game.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Let's respect that, and that's double team.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
That's respecting the double team and force somebody else to
beat you. You can't just play hard on those defense
unless you got one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I know Dylan Brooks is this defensive spec let's and
he knows he's tough.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
But if you don't have a guy that's gonna chase
and run for forty minutes, what Steph is gonna do
and the guy's gonna have the balls of.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
His hands the whole game.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Just double team and get it out of his hands
and make somebody else beat you.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, I thought Dylan Brooks got in foul trouble.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And the problem is that you have is that he
knows the type of defense that Dylan brook Is gonna
play on him. I think you got to give him
a lot of different looks, because it's just like anything,
you give a guy enough, he'll build up in the
resistance to it and he'll understand, Okay, this is how
you're gonna play me, this is the way you play.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Okay, this is what I need to do.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So and once Dylan Brooks got in foul trouble, then
you know they tried and Thompson on him, they tried
some other different guys. But now you let him see
a couple of those shots go in and and you know,
the NBA is such a rhythm game. A guy, a
guy that might not be one of these great players,
he can see a couple of shots go in.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
And also true, don't forget to add go and stay
at home. So you know, yeah, you know, stay at home.
So you know you tend to play better. Not only
just the road players played bettert hall your main guy
played better at home. I mean, obviously you want your
start to get your big game on a row. But
you know Steph has huge games in that arena. You
get to think about that too, that home crowd too.
So I'm just gonna try to just rub them, get
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them out. They rhythm they're missing a key piece. Well
that missing Jimmy Butler, a guy that brings so much
to their team. You got the double team stuff. It's
no other way that you're gonna be able to beat
Golden State, especially at home, because those others are gonna play.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Better at home. They you know, at home.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
It's just it's kind of like a it's an on
gon saying that the others play better at home. You know,
they just they feed off the crowd. You get great
production from those guys at home. Now, if you want
that strategy on the road at Houston, okay, maybe, but
at home, those guys are gonna make shots.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They're gonna feed off the crowd.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
And that's when you seen Buddy Hill and Gary Pagon
second have nice nights.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Not only did you let Steph go get thirty six,
you let him have nine assists. So now you allowed
him to bring others to the party. It was supposed
to be ay, I told you it was Steph not
a plus one plus two step to come to the
party by himself. So now you let him speak two
other guys that defend the party. So now there's three,
and when it was only supposed to be one. I
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see him one. I just say a one plus one
or one plus two. I say, step you're invited to
this party. Okay, Lloyd behold he brings buddy, he'll and
Gary paid the second. Now look what Look what happened.
They are dancing. Then them got rid of the DJ.
They playing their own type of music, Old Joe. They
do what they want it, you.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Know, you know, not just mean everything to the You
know sometimes you know, you know, if I'm Houston, I
may not want that match up.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You know, That's sometimes I can happen.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Because their key players are battle tested in these situations. Houston,
isn't you see Steph Curry, Draymond. They've been here, done that.
Although Jimmy hasn't won a title, he's taking a team
to the NBA finals whice, so he know. It was
like Cavan, Looty, he's done that, Kaminga and Moody.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
They was on that team.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Although they didn't get very much very many minutes, they
understand these moments. Houston haven't been in these moments before.
It is a different type of an atmosphere. It's a
different type of environment, and you have to be there
and be in it to understand what it's actually, like,
I'm not so sure that these guys understand what it's like.
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You're like, oh, you have to go through the fire.
That's why it's so hard for first timers to win
the championship.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Now it's happened, but you need to be battle.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Testing a situation like that, and I don't think Houston
is battle tested enough in that situation. And another thing, twan,
who's their go to guy? You see most teams they
gotta go to guy. They gonna go to the Celtic.
Excuse me, Celtics gonna go either the JT or JV.
You got the Clippers. They're gonna put the ball in
Kawhi hand, or they gonna put it in James Harden.
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You get the Nuggets, Jamal Murray or Yokes touching that ball.
Lakers you got Lebron, you got Luca, you got ant Man.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
For the opposing team, you got Ben Carroll.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't know if I can defend it, say I
want to get the ball to this guy right here
and let him go do something special. I think they're
they're they're built on They're an assembly type team. So
you know, hopefully guys played well, we can get out
on the break and use our appleticism in our youth.
But when they get you in a half court set,
you better have somebody that can go one on one
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or it's getting late in the ball game.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You need that person.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I mean Tom before you before you answer, obviously, I
think about Van Bleet.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know a veteran, veteran president. He's on the court.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
He's used to being one of the guys that normally
has the ball in his hands and can create and
make things happen. But Drayden Green is that guy. He's
supposed to be that guy. He's the one that can
make things happen. He can he can put the ball
on the floor, he can create space, he can take
people on one on one. So collectively as a group,
they have to get it done. If based on what
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you're saying, if they don't have their antiapulas, they don't
have the Luke or they Lebron on their team, or
their Steph Curry, Jalen Green has to step up and
be that guy, especially in moments like this, and use
the youth to the advantage.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
You just start when you start off with your question,
you named everybody a superstar or two on each everybody
team when you think about Houston, like you say, child,
it's by committee. It's not really one guy. We can
really pinpoints that's gonna be that guy. And that's something
that eventually the upper management they're gonna have to try
to go out there and maybe get a guy a
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list to go along with the group they got because
they gotta, well, yeah, they gotta. I would love to
see him with a young court like this. I would
love to see him with a young court like this. Well,
they don't have that guy. So this is the first
time going through it, so I just think, well, Jalen
Green is still young. Doesn't understand he hasn't played well
this series either. He didn't play well at home and
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he hasn't really played well. Because you gotta think Superstar
one the first game. You gotta put that thing up
twenty five times twenty five thirty, childs. I don't give
myself a change, you know. If I'm gonna be a superstar,
I gotta give myself a chance. Especially on the road.
I gotta I gotta somebody on that Houston team's gotta
stay up. It's big, he's been up. If it's a
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friend's been there, get on my belt. Somebody's gotta take
a look.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's not Fred has played well.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Go ahead, I'm gonna ask swan a Swan based on
when the team the team, now you can you can
probably give me that help on this team and the
team obviously, you have certain players that have the green
light to be able to put the ball up and
shoot whenever they want, you know, regardless whether they're missing
trying to get themselves in the rhythm. In Jalen Green,
that guy that has that green light to be able
to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Oh, without question, he definitely has that grain right there.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
He probably he's probably the only He's probably one A
and I'm gonna say Fred, maybe one B. The guys
that have the grain like that can just come down
and shoot. I'm gonna just say those two guys, Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Jalen Green did not play well. He was four of
eleven and one for five. It was kind of a
very similar situation in Game one in which they played
and they ended up losing that game, and the game
really wasn't close. They made uh, they made a run
at Golden State late in the ball game, but the
game I think it got, the close they got was
maybe four or six with a with like a minute
to go. But he has to play, he has to
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play better. I don't think Fred van Fleet has played
well this year.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I know he's been nicked twe and I know he's
more than cable. That's why he got the big money
to come to Toronto, but he hasn't played well. And
he in order for them to win, because he's the
one that's been in these situations with Toronto. He won
a championship, so he knows what it's like. But I
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think in order for them to have a chance they go,
he's he's gonna have to play much better than what
he's playing.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I got, I got so much respect for you, Doka.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I don't think the series is over, but this is
gonna be a d serious I think. I think Houston
has a chance to make some adjustments. They can see
what they did wrong and really respond to this. Because
you don't know how long Jimmy's out. We haven't got
the word how long Jimmy's gonna be out of Jimmy
has to say a couple of games.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
This series is still wide open.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Now, if you get Jimmy back, they probably gonna be
a little out number to be able to beat to
beat the Golden State Warriors. But if Jimmy's not gonna
sit out, which I'm probably sure, Steve Curris probably gonna say,
hey you might yep, I agree yes, and say take
the next game off. Let's get you to one hundred
percent and get you back to a one hundred percent.
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So I just think that this young team is their
first time going and we got we got so much
respect for him because they had such a great season
and they have three seed, but they they're in experiensial
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You see some of the well.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I'm sorry to seed, You're right, So we're putting a
lot of we put a lot of thought that they're
gonna be really good, but you see the mistakes. You're
seeing them right now throughout the game and throughout the series,
the mistakes that they're making, and I don't know if
they're gonna be able to recover.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Steph is too good to get them.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Veteran guys, everybody on Golden State have been in meaningful
games throughout their career. It's gonna be hard to beat
Golden State. This was the game they needed. Without Jimmy tonight,
you could have put a little pressure on Golden State. Now,
I think yod the State feels good about theirselfs.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
But when you think about it, you thought about all
the teams that could potentially be the seventh seed, I
think all of them pretty much would have been favored.
If the Clippers the seventh seed, I think they would
have been favored over Houston. I think they would be
anybody Minnesota. I think they would have been favored over Houston.
Golden State is favorite over Houston. I think Lakers would
have been favored. I don't see a scenario because of
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their youth and because of the lack of because every
team that I mentioned they have a bona fide superstar,
so have.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Two the nudgets. We know what you said, the magic word.
You just said the match Racord.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
You gotta you know this, You gotta have superstars playoff
time during the season, because your legs are fresh and
you guys know that stort of season everything else.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Young guys gonna have fresh legs. All the guys. It's
gonna take them a while to rep up become playoff time.
They know how to win.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
They're not going to preserve its back. It's no back
to back games nobody ever talked about that. I always
tell people, it's no back to back games, so you
get time to get that body to get rejuvenated, give
him the cold tub, get yourself back together.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's why it doesn't bother Golden State.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
A team like that that has some veterans on their team,
they gonna get a couple of days off. They right
back at it, but they get the rest with these
young guys, gotta understand that and figure out different ways
to be effective. I think with Houston, you have to
respect what they have, and that's double team step You
can't let Steph beat you. If I'm your dooka, I'm
gonna put my pride to the side, I know. But
they want to be this tough defensive team, and you
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just want to have a couple of guys that can
guard individually. I'm gonna respect Steph as a top ten
player to ever play this game, and I'm a double
team him and make Buddy Hill, make Gary Payton this
that a second beat Moody.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
They gotta beat me. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It's long. I'm going like back in the old school days.
I'm running across the half court. I'm dropping Steph. Just
just pusting that out of his hand a little bit,
making some other guys take some shots. You can't have
a nightlight tonight when you get four or five other
guys in double figures and Steph yet thirty.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's gonna be tough to be in that way. You're
absolutely right. And another thing you look, I'm essential. I
ain't going nowhere because guess what, I ain't gotta play.
I ain't got to play in Orlando and then lead
that night and go to and go to go to
Miamas and then come back up the road and go
to Atlanta and then I hit Charlotte and then I'm
up to Balton. I ain't got no long road to hade.
I'm here, so I might be here for four days,
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but I'm here. I don't have any travel whereas in
the regular season you got traveling. Like you said, those
young legs can take advantage. Now be stationary. We ain't
going nowhere until we leave and have to go back home. Well,
that favor of the team that's been there, that knows
what it's like to be in situations like this and
to be able to like to to to like, okay,
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this is what we need to do. Lock in this
right here, and teams that have been here. Oh Joe,
they know how to put you in a half course,
said you when you gotta be you got to be able.
They're not gonna let you get up and down. They're
not gonna let you get up and down. You got
you got the executing a half course said, and an
execution normally comes from guy that have been there.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And Kwanne keep saying, superstar players.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Look at the teams and look at they have at
least one some of them have two superstar players that
understand this moment and how to get it done.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
The reason, it's the reason why State, it's the reason
why Golden State made the trade they did.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
For Jimmy Butler. They wasn't gonna be leave.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
They knew they couldn't continue to lease Steph Curry on
that island by himself.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I love Drake, I love Draymond Green. Is probably gonna
be a Hall of Fame. But Draymond Green is not
a score. He's a more of a you know, utility
player's gonna get you four or five rebounds, six seven
as since play defense. He's gonna do all the intangibles,
but they needed another bonafide score to go along with
Steph Curry, and that's why you saw the additional Jimmy Butler.
So that's the same thing with Houston. You're figuring this
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out right now. You had an exceptional season. I'm not
saying this serious is over, but you have to respect
what you got right now is on the roster. You
don't have a guy. You don't know who's gonna get
twenty five or thirty Fife. We got to wait to see,
you know what I mean. We don't know right now.
We're waiting to see who's gonna show up. And you're
askings some young guys.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Jana Green.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
This guy's first time around in the rodeo, second time
playing meaningful games like this. It takes some time. But
you gotta respect stuff. I'll I'm gonna say, I would
love to see you Donka. Don't be stubborn. Respect stuff,
Double him and make somebody else beat you.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
That's how I want, you know, hey, uncle, Yeah, I
mean listen, and to make make the series obviously interesting. Also,
the head coach Iedoka, he could go talk to Van Vliet,
he could talk to you know, brother Green and say man,
listen in order for to have a chance. Not only
are we gonna double stuff, double step and do what
we need to do defensively on him. You got the
exertive injury. But on the office end, may y'all, if
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you see it, pull it. If you see it, pull it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Every time.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I need you to put up twenty five twenty five
shots a game.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It's it's the only way because we don't have it,
because we don't.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Have a bona fire superstar. I need one of y'all
to fill that role and put your cape on.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, but if they don't win this game, it's over
because I don't believe they can beat them three times
in a row. If Golden State win this next game
at home, it's over. See's over to one. They're not
beating them. They're not beating them three games in a row.
And now this was the big this is the big
game of night. You need to still listen with Yes,
you left one slip away on your home floor, which
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obviously that kills you. You would love to go on the
Golden State up too. Well, that didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
So when that doesn't happen, you know you gotta win
game three to get controlled back of the series. Now
it's back to Golden State because now you're able to
win one without Jimmy. Now he gets two games off
now with a couple of days sprinkling their rest, so
you don't even have to bring him back because worst
case scenario to too. So now you get Jimmy to
get a chance, they could get a few extra days rest.
It's just gonna be tough for Houston because they're gonna
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have to find scoring. I don't know where that's gonna
come from. They're still young, Jabari Smith, those young guys
don't have enough mental toughness to say, hey, I'm gonna
get twenty shots up. They did it all. Yeah, I
play back committee, you know what I mean. They're not
gonna shoot the ball and be aggressive like that. So
it's gonna be tough to do that. But they're gonna
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be competitive. They're gonna be games like tonight. They're gonna
compete you. Doug's gonna have them ready. But I just
think they're a little out matched. Sometimes match ups matter
in the playoffs, and I think they're a little out
match right now.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Say Tin, so there's no scenario with my game.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, So there's no scenario what you see the Rockets
even having a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You really think this series is over.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
You gotta win with it with no Jimmy Butler, you
gotta get to win, and so you can. Now, you know,
I'm assuming that Steve Kurts gonna probably Steve k maybe
I can get Jimmy a couple extra Yeah, me too.
So you rest Jimmy again, you're still too too. I
still like Goolden State. In this scenario, you had to
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win to night. I think tonight you had to take
over the series. And then you build that confidence and
then now Jimmy may want to play the next game.
He not filling one hundred percent, you know what I'm saying.
Now he comes back and now he can kind of
throw that rhythm off a little bit. But now I
think the moment is completely in Golden State hand. They
had controlled the series.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Now the most interesting game of the night, the Nuggets
and the Clippers, and all of these games, with the
exception of Game three, have come right down to the end.
The series of now tied to two and twine. I
don't know if you're old enough to remember when this happened.
The first thing went through my mind, NC State Houston
nineteen eighty three and Albuquerque, New Mexico Gary wittbergon Lorenzo
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Charles dunks it in at the buzzer. They beat Elijah
Ward Clyde Drexler. That great Houston coover team coached by
coach Guy Lewis rest is soul, and they pull off
the national championship. Very very similar situation. Replay Center officials
confirmed the ruling. It was a good basket. The ball
was out of his hand when the buzzer went off.
According to ESPN research, Aaron Gordon Dunk was the first
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ever game winning buzzy beating dunk in NBA postseason history.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yokic, He Yokic, look Shave's gonna win the m v P.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yoki is the best player in the NBA thirty six points,
twenty one rebounds, eight assists, two steals.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
He joined Johanna says, the only players with.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
A thirty five to twenty five playoff game over the
last twenty season.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
He was great when he needed to be great.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And I don't even I don't know what what, I
don't know what ad work, adjunctives or adverbs or whatever
we want to use to describe this man throd but
we can't say we can't sing his praise or heat
praise on him enough. That third quarter was was a
thing of beauty. They expressed to lead the twenty five
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to twenty. But I know you know I'm noticing this,
and tell me, am I delusional. When teams get down,
it seems like everybody likes to jump into that zone.
The Clippers jumped into a zone and it really, it
really threw them out their rhythm because the guys started
taking early threes byl Forter Junior couple took a couple,
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I think Aaron Gordon took a couple of fake Murray
took a couple and it allowed them to get and
they started trapping for some turnovers and they got themselves
back into the ball game. But the Nuggets absolutely had
to win this game in order to make this a series.
I can see this being a seven game series. What
did you like about what you saw from the fight
and the determination because normally, Twine, you have a lead
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that big and you lose it and the team take
the lead.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
We cooked.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Honestly, you know you would never championship team. You just
saying it right now. Those guys been in the wars.
They've been there before. They don't get rattled. I think
with the Clippers, and you just alluded to it a
little bit. You gotta pick your poison. I mean, don't
get me wrong. Your kiss is gonna get his numbers,
but you gotta decide it's gonna be thirty six or
twenty six. And what I mean by you gotta double
him double, You gotta double him with a purpose. I
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can't get him get a trump will double with thirty
because now the chest side.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You want to lose that game. If he's able to
get thirty points.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
You have to make You gotta make Murray, you have
to make you know, Gordon, you have to make Michael
Porter Jr.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Beat you.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
You have to decide to Lewis there is a great
basketball mind, Jeff van Gundy. I know it's over there.
Orchestrating the defense. You can't let him have his cake
eating to y'all. Y'all guys are against saying too when
you ever got your cake and eating too. You can't
give them both. You gotta take away one. And they
didn't do that tonight when he when you look at
them numbers, you see thirty six, twenty one eight.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
That meant he did everything. Yeah, you gotta you gotta.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Take Yeah, Rhythm have fifteen assists and twenty points. Now,
Normans I got a chance. But then you're gonna give
them thirty points. They don't have a chance to beat them.
The Clippers. Gotta remember the Clippers are missing nothing really
important piece off the scoring from last year. Obviously, Paul
George is a big piece to replaced. On the scoring side.
Norman Powell was great today. They're not getting much at
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the point guard position as far as scoring. If the
Clippers are not, they're kind of doing that back committee.
I think the big fella's playing as good as he
can play Zubox. He's you know, he's playing unbelievable. You
playing against you know, the best center ever to play
the game. You know, he may end up as the
that's another play game. You're playing him one on one
most of the time and trying to gu out the
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man score up. So they're doing a good job and
that in that sense, I just think the Clippers have
to make a decision or we can't give them both.
Which one are we gonna give them? Are we gonna
make him a passer or we're gonna let him be
a score. I ain't gonna lie to you. He's that good.
I don't know what you one to do hard, Yeah,
I have to watch. I gonna have to really watch
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the film.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Chat. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I gotta watch the film and like gonna figure out it.
Maybe the percentages. You know, these guys are analytical now,
so maybe this guy maybe some percentagees that can tell
you which way to go.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But man, I can't I can't sit and watch him
do both. But hey, this is things too right to one.
Listen what happened? If you do if you do double him,
you double it.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
You catch him up top, you catch him down in
the post, and you're double him forcing him to kick
the ball out. But you have Michael Porter Junior, Christian Braun,
you got Jamal Hurry playing in your cheerity. In the
way they are tonight, it wouldn't matter if he does
get twenty, if he doesn't get thirty, they gonna they
gonna counter for the points that he does score.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
With the way they played the Now, well, I want
to see him get five guys. I want to see
them get five guys and double figures again. I'm gonna
try to lose that way. But I'm I'm a lesson
that thought. Okay, I'm gonna make that thirty six twenty
three at the right. I don't want it to be thirty.
It can't be thirty six and five guys and double figures.
That's what happened tonight.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You get that.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
That can't You can't nobody beat them like that, right, right, right,
And Plus the thing is is that you let him
get it in an efficient manner. Now, if he gets
thirty six and it took him thirty shots, did you
can live with that?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
To one?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's a great You let him get that. You let
him get those numbers in an efficient manner. He's fourteen
to twenty five. Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Let him I got, I got. I know Jeff fv Gunny.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
We all know Jeff von Gunny, great defensive mind, one
of the greatest defensive minds that the coach basketball. He
has to He's won against Michael Jordan, he's won against
Kobe Bryce want to sing in some of the greatest
scores that ever played the game. You got to decide
which one. You can't just take both of them. You
can't just let this guy you can't. You can't take
the you can't take the triple double and the thirty points.
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You can't have to happen. I got to you gotta
make a decision on whether or not I'm the double
team this guy and make him a passer. Nuggets only
hit ten threes tonight. They ain't hit a lot of threes.
They had ten. No, the Clippers hit ten. So you know,
you you're even in the three point category tonight. So
I gotta take my chance. I might respect this guy,
could possibly be the MVP again. He's probably the right
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you know, one of the top five greatest centers ever
played the game. You have to respect guys, That's what
I'm saying about Stepf. You have to respect guys and
what they bring to the game and how much a
difference they make to their team.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I can't let Joker have both of them. That's just me.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I'm not gonna tilu. You gotta figure out I'm not
gonna let them do both.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, I thought, I thought, you know, they they the
other night he out a triple double, but he was,
you know, in a losing effort.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I mean he was since I mean he's he's McCauley.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
There's a reason why he's won three MVPs in the
last five years. He's probably gonna finish second this year.
He's been second every other time that he didn't win
the award. I don't think this year is gonna be
any different. He's sensational because we've never seen a center
that can do all that he can do on the
offensive end.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
He has no weakness. Footwork is impeccable.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
He can shoot the three, he has a turnaround, he
can play with his back to the basket. He can
he can, he can run the offense. Hey, you come
with a double team. He knows, Oh that's you. So
my man, this guy's supposed to be over here without
even looking woo whoop.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
He's basketball player. That's what I meant. That's what I
mean said.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
You gotta respect him, respect the still set, respect what
he brings to the table, and try to take something away.
And then you gotta try to double team. Get it
ball out of his hands. Make somebody else beat you.
I want to take my chances. I'm I'm if it's me,
I'm a double team them, and I'm gonna see how
many Michael Porter, Jamal Murray see them and go on,
I'm gonna sew how many shots those guys can in.
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I'm gonna see if one of those guys can go off.
I'm gonna try to just double change out to frustrate him,
get it out of hand.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Did you get a little bit more from a I
think they need to get a little bit more from
Chris Done. I thought Kawhi played really well, especially in
the second half of that fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
He was really good. Zobox has given you everything.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I mean, he's given you what he averaged in the
regular season nineteen and twelve hardened. I like to see
Harden be a little bit more aggressive. He only took
eleven shots. I like to see Harden around fifteen to eighteen.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
He's I think he's.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Trying to pick his spots and you kind of watch him.
He's not like overfully aggressive. He's trying to get his
teammates involved in. But I think it's certain times he
has to be aggressive. When they go to that Ben
Simmons lineup Ben Simmons anyway, and they're.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Not even looking at the basket shot. He ain't even looking.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
So when you know what I'm saying, shy, he's not
looking at the basket, So I am not looking at
the basket. Bro he in the game, he's kind of like,
you know, he's on that team, it's six against four
when he's not looking at the basket. So that may
be a time where James go, you know, get it
to us one on one game and they try to
be a lot more aggressive. But I do agree with you.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
You need it's them.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
You need that thirty the thirty five, like you know
Kawhi Kawhi went on, he had that thirty thirty five
point performance. You need James and Kawhi got to get
those numbers because you're not gonna get much, you know,
at that center spot. Besides, you know, with with Ben
is in the game, and I know they like to
play that lineup because they get Denver kind of confused
a little bit and everything that Ben Ben is a
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pretty good defender. I am gonna say that he is
a pretty good defender. He still could play defense, but offensively,
he's such a liability. You know, it's hard to watch sometime.
I can't believe it that he needs right now.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Yeah, hey, hey he to on somebody like Ben Simmons
that has all the potential. Obviously, at one point and
what I thought, based on what I heard and what
I've seen, at what point mentally does a confidence kick
in and he understands how good he can actually be.
He and he finds himself getting in the rhythm and
he finds himself getting confidence. I mean, I don't understand
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what the issue is based on him. If you look
at him, you understand what you canna do.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
What he can do.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
He can play defense, he can score if he had
the confidence and willingness to shoot the ball, whether it
be mid range, where to be three, whether it be
you know, taking people off the dribble to the whole.
It's like he doesn't want to do anything. I don't
want to scare. I've seen him a clear layup right
there and it's wide open, and he rather pass it off.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I think it's I think at this point it's it's
gonna take a coach then hopeful that honestly believes in them,
play on extended minutes and force him to be aggressive offensively.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
You have to really base that, force him to be that.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
You know, remember he was playing a lot of point
guard towards then before he left obviously left New Jersey,
but you I mean brook Bay. But he has to
he has to, like you have to put him in
position where you have to force him to be a
score to be a playmaker, like him playing a center
like I would if I was little. I'll let him
bring the ball off the court against Jolkis. Maybe put
him in a pick a roll, maybe he can turn
the corner. The joke you can't guard him in the
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open court, but you're bailing them out. You're bailing them
out by not letting to be aggressive offensively for what
you just talked about chat because he don't want to
shoot the ball. He don't want to be aggressive and
attack the basket. That's what's basketball.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
So me, me personally, I think it's that shift sail
because there were times that he had the ball in
his hand.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
At Philly and he wasn't aggressive.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
And you know, you know, Joel Embiid said what he said,
Doc Rivers said what he said. You see the thing is,
and I use the analogy like this one Twine and
O Joe M. I can teach you to swim if
you're not afraid of the water. See if you're afraid
of the water, I can't teach you how to swim.
You see twin. You said he's afraid of the basket,
so I can't teach him how to be aggressive. You
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see a guy that's not afraid of the basket. Hey,
I'm missing okay, okay, Oh well, the next one's gonna
go in.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
That's not how he sees it.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Plus, if he gets fouled, he doesn't want to go
to the pre throw line because he got the yips there.
So now I'm not looking to score, and I'm not
looking because they might file me and put my butt
on the free throw line.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
So I'm afraid of the water.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
So I really won't ever be able to do anything
but doggy Pallo stand up in the kiddie pool. I'm
really not gonna try to get I'm not gonna put
my head up out of the water.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Go back to look at it.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
You, I like, I like what you said is one
hundred percent accurate, and I think that. But I think
what t Lou is looking at is that maybe I
got a quicker guy. He's been a great defender in
this league. Yokich is not a guy that plays above
the basket. He plays below the rim. That's a guy
that I can probably put on and mix it up
a little big because Ben Simmons probably sixteen sixt eleven.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
He's like looking, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Teah him out he.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Was, he's about sixteen sixty eleven. Chut he That's that's
why he's playing center. That's why he's playing center. Yeah,
that big, he's a big kid.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I'm thinking. I'm thinking he's sixty five sixty.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Six No wait, no, no, no, no, no. The shorter,
the shortest he may be is six y nine. That's
the shortest.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
He's being sixth hand. Yeah, he's yeah, and he's supposed
to be out there dog and it.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I'm like, man, stop a stop playing.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
That's what got a hundred million dollar contract because he
was six fives.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
See what concerned me is that I didn't see him
get any better from his rookie year till now. Go
back and look at all the guys that's got these
big contracts. Have you seen Shakee get better? Have you
seen Jaylen Brown get better?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Better?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Have you seen Jason Tatum get better? Have you seen Luca?
Have you seen Jaylen Bronson? Look at all the guys.
Austin Reeves is a prime example. It's hard if you
put the time in the gym for you not to
get incrementally better at one It's just hard for you
to stay the same tells me you're doing the same thing.
Look at those guys and how they've evolved and how
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they've gotten better and better.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Look at Kawhi. Kawhi wasn't no scoring when he got
in the league. Kawhi gave you by twelve thirteen. Not
Kawhi can give you twenty six forty seven when he's healthy,
because you see the work that he's putting in.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna be honest
with y'all. You guys know this as athletes, and we
are athletes. You know sometimes guys don't want it.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Man, You know what I mean? Can we can want
them to have it?
Speaker 4 (41:14):
We see all the individual talent he showed us a
glimpse from when you can Colls his first couple of
years in the league, or how great it can be
and what you just said, if he hasn't decided to
put that into work.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
And I love t lit to T. Lou is one
of the best.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Coaches in the league and great motivators, and if Tluke
can't get him to playing basketball at a level, that's
gonna just contribute to help the team. I don't know
where you go from here. This is like the perfect scenario.
You don't have to have the ball in your hands.
You got a guy like Kawha scoring the ball. All
you got to do is do the intangibles on the team.
But they didn't even step up. You can't get donuts
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from them, You can't. You gotta get some. You gotta
get something.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Out of it. You had two points tonight.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
Hey, hey, I tell you what you could do.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
We could do. Tell the business Simmons, come on down
here to Miami and hang with me for six months.
Were gonna were gonna get him mentally right? Six eleven? Yes,
all this, all this time, I've been watching basketball. I think,
you know, I think, young boy. I'm thinking he's sixty six,
you know, six y five.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
I'm thinking he's scared to shoot the ball obviusly obviously
being in Philly. You know how Philly fans are. They
do not play They will boo you in your own stadium.
So I'm thinking, Okay, maybe he's a little reluctant to
pull the trigger. He doesn't want to go to the
free throw line. Understand it. I know how hard it
is when you're misshots and you're feeling down yourself. But
then he has to deal with the fans. Okay bo,
And that's one thing. But then I think about, well, damn, still,
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as many years as been, you got your big deal,
and you still haven't got that confidence in you to
be able to just at will, just play the game
you've been playing since you were young.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Basketball. All you got to do is take the ball,
put that motherfuckering the hoop.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Excuse me, now, my my, my mentality on him is
now changing because now you're telling me he's six ten
sixt eleven and he's playing like he like he five
ten fact brings he I saw for.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
God, Bring him on down here to Miami.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
I get you, right, because hey, you gotta understand, I'm
in high school. I was only six four, but I
every fifty six a game since my freshman yar in
high school.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Listen every every night, every every game to our.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
Fifty sixth twelve and nine, fifty six twelve and nine,
same score line.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
But I chose to play football instead, like you know,
you know, you D a few guys down there, I
can get to fact.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, play against you D. Hey, I
don't know you D twice. Yeah, I got asked you
D asked you D about me in high school? Whore
I was the real deal.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
I was like I was a mix between like Russell
Westbrook and John Moran and and and and then Kevin
and Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, I was. I was a little I'm gonna say this,
I'm not I never say you play. So just a
little back story.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
I played with Donovan McNab who was a great basketball player,
So I'm not gonna I played with Donovan mcnah great
basketb Yeah, yeah, a good time, he would he said,
was sad as a two sport athlete. You didn't know that,
but now two sport atflete. Donovan was twenty points a
game for me. That's my second money, that was my
(44:14):
second leading score.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
So I can't say that you can't play because I
know football players be really good.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yeah, so I would listen. I would listen. I was
so good. I was so good. Obviously I could have
played for the Heat with Ronnie Cyclely like they were
trying to get me back then, but my grandma, my grandma, you.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Got any footage, you got any footage on VHS?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I got the tapes right here in the coupboard. Okay,
let me see the footage I got. I got you. Okay,
I'm a real hooping like I'm from New York.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I just think the thing now is one and I
get what you're saying. Oh till y'all get what y'all saying.
But the old saying is either to teach teach a
child than a broken man. And I think right now, no,
they stay right there.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I understand what he's saying. I understand what he was saying.
I got it. You want to rang down? You want
to write down?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, you want if you if you notice kids learned
to swim either than a grown person, because the kid
has no inhibitions of the water. They throw you see
him throw them babies in there, and the first thing
they do, they go on the back. They they hey,
you tell him one or two times one and they
get to the back.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Now you know that, y'all.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Notice the sports, you know, sometimes you can get with
that coach, right And I prayed with Tlaw and T.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Lou's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
And I just thought T Lou would probably be that
guy that can instill that confidence in.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Them to be a lot better. Now.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
I didn't say he have to go out and get
fifteen twenty points at night, but he has to. But
he you know, like you just say, can't have two points,
You're gonna play you as tenter. If you're gonna have
two points, let's do some of the stuff you used
to do. Get six, seven rebounds, high four or five
or steps. How I'm an impact on the game because
he's too all and for whatever reason, I don't know
if he's lost it, but I thought with T Lou
(46:06):
being there and being under t Lou, then he would
be able to get that out of him. And then
when I seen him in the rotation, I was like, yes,
this is perfect for him because he's gonna get an
opportunity with a great coach that's gonna put him in
a great position to do the best. Like I like
the I'm like the the Clippers mindset, but Ben Simmons
at the center spot. Let's let's mix it up a
little bit and see if we can get Joker. But
(46:28):
if it don't give you no, no, no, Offensively, guys, it's
no purpose in playing Ben Simmons. It's no fun because
jokers weakness, jokers weakness is defense. Well, Ben Simmons is
not a threat at that, So he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
He good and plus he's not playing well enough for
TLU to give him extended minutes. So in the amount of
minutes that he's playing, he's not gonna be able to
get you the points to rebounds and assists that he
would if he was playing a full game.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
What'sout. That's a great point. Listen.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Yeah, I know you're not a tape recorder, but I
needed to rewind that quote because I went to give
him a pen and pad, I ain't have it on me.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Some about a child, something about it was a good one.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
I need that because I got you know, I got
fifty eleven kids, and I need to be able to
use that in my next argument.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yeah, it's easier to teach a child that a repair
a broken man. Stop, stay right there. That's That's what
I'm talking about. Next time, next time they ask for
some money, next time, mother two child. I like that too,
and so that so that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
No matter how you slice it, Ben is broken when
it comes to the offensive end. Can he still slide
his feet? Yeah, he's still he's still six'. TEN i,
mean he ain't gonna.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Shrink looks. Good it's still in great. Shape, look look
look really.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Good he looks he looks really. Good but like you,
said he gets the ball here unless it's. Uncontested he
ain't even looking at the rem he's looking he's looking
to pass it. Off he's looking at a driving. Kick
he's looking to do something other than score for. Himself
and realize. That so the double team is always gonna
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come from.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
Him put him around some put him around some folks
in the off. Seaton i'm telling you it. Happens no put.
It why, listen you put a ch off some pit
bulls in a. Cage at some point he becomes what
he's surrounded. By but if you know the small, dogs
what do they? Do they walk up to the big
dogs because they don't know they're. Small so you're telling,
me that's WHAT i need to, do that's what he
(48:18):
needs to. Do he needs to go and place himself
in that environment.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Because you, see As twan, said we're wanting something from
being more than he's wanting it for. Himself you SEE
i can't want that for. You you got to you
got to want. That you've got to want to be.
Great so you know, what, man he ain't no reason
for me to be sixteen and averages three points a.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Game he's supposed to be doing What katie's. Doing i'm
not saying he's kd kt is one of the greatest
scores of all. Time i'm just saying the skill, set
the height and, SIZE i mean the length that you do.
Have you, know and you a two way. Players you
can do.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
It you can do. Well you only show it on
the defensive side of the.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
Ball you play good, defense and you should be a you,
know taking people off down in the, block down in
the post mid.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Range confidence is gone, Though, man both of you guys
Are hall of.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
FAME i see you know. That when your confidence is,
gone man is. Gone you know you can't.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Do, nothing.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Man you know you know we play. That you, know
we play our games with. Confidence that's when we get
our Con he don't have. That you can just see.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
It you.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Have to you you have to play. It coaches can't
give you. That you have to have a self belief
That i'm the baddest more for out. Here, Yes and
at some point in time they broke his. Confidence they
broke his confidence because the best player, said, hey we
had a we had a dunk and we end up
making a free.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Throw.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Uh and you, know and they, asked, dog could you
win a championship with a point guard Like?
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Ben he, SAYS i don't.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Know instead of, saying of course you, can because the
guy's An all he's An All star, player and he's
An ALL nba.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Defender that's what he should have.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Said Joel ebidi, said, hey it's unfortunate a, Well, UH
i wish we could have got an add, One but don't.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Say, yeah we had a layup and we ended.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Up making a free throw because now the best player
and the head coach doubted. Me i've already had some
doubts seeping in because coaches like you feel, like, hey,
son shoot that shot you. DRAW i draw up a
play For twan BECAUSE i Know twine is confident in
his ability.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
And he gonna go out. There every TIME i draw.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Up a play for, him he's gonna somehow try to
find a way to break it down and pass it
to somebody.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Else, yeah you, know how do you let how do
you lest?
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Something like that bother. You how do you lest something
like that bother?
Speaker 5 (50:34):
You in order to be great people gonna always be
chirping sometimes sometimes the calling can be coming from inside
the house.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Sometime to be your own, PEOPLE i don't, care no.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
Disrespect Marvin, lewis if you were to, say you know, what,
Boy i'm sick of chat out there.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Celebrating i'm sick of.
Speaker 5 (50:50):
IT i ain't stopping, nothing because that's HOW i know
HOW i get in my, rhythm.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Right you KNOW i can agree with you on. That you.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
KNOW i used to nasce AFTER i shoot threes and.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Came up AND i, PLAYED i. Promised it was one
coach That Don.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
NELSON i got traded to the mass and he was
the only coach that tried to stop me from. Dancing,
yeah he was like, hey he was, like, WHAT i
don't want to see you, Dancing but it.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Was already in my. BLOOD i couldn't stop. It so
you know What i'm.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Saying but that's a great point you. MADE i understand
what you said. That, Yeah i'm gonna Do i'm gonna
do my.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Thing, yeah every every. Time at the, TIME i don't.
CARE i don't, care BUT i don't, care but no.
Speaker 5 (51:34):
Disrespect, obviously with all due respect To Ben simmons and
the game of basketball in, general there is nothing nobody can.
Say IF i was in that, environment with that kind of,
side with that kind of, hype with that kind of,
skill with my, mentality there's a certain effect that you can't.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Coach is either in you or is.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
Not kobe had, It Michael jordan got, it A i got,
It John aron got, It Anthony vers Got you.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Can't, coach that's it's just in. You AND i don't.
Understand how can you be like that and then play so.
Small i'm gonna make this last point and then we're
gonna move, up move on a little.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Bit. Guys if you think about, it, Yeah covid had,
confidence but think about what the coach did and a
game Against utah who took the last. Shot they put
the ball in cold seventeen year old's. Hands so NOW
i got. Confidence you might have, confidence but if somebody
don't give you a situation for you to, showcase, now
what what DO i do with?
Speaker 1 (52:31):
IT O?
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Joe he drew up a play and led a seventeen
year old with all those veterans on.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
There Kobe air bought, it but it showed.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Him, yeah they got confidence to know O. Cole now
he goes back into the gym and he comes back
a different.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Player, well you, knows some people don't get, it, man
some people just don't get. It damn. Man wait sixty, Eleven,
MAN i have a nigga in the.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Post see you got a good ball. Back that's a
Good wilson.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
Ball oh let me tell you. Something, hey this ball right, here,
right this is a special.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
Ball, this this ball me must Be i'm supposed to
have it inclosed in the case because, listen the, greatest
the greatest score not score of all, time but THE
nba player who leaves THE nba and most points ever,
scored gave me this. Ball as soon as it went
in the, bucket they hit, it they taped it. Up
he signed it for. Me this Is Lebron james fifty
(53:30):
k point, ball and he signed it for.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
YOU i just want to show you that.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
He put it in a cursive huh, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah jo was seen making adjustments and. Subs when the
player does, this is he Undermining David edelman because right,
before the right before to have the ball got within
the half or third quarter and he's, like, hey, hey give,
me give Me George DeAndre, jordan come in, here give,
me come in. Here block blah blah blah. Blah you
(54:08):
saw that.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Too oh, Yes.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
And he's been he's been making a lot of. Substitutions
you like, THAT i, mean what's going?
Speaker 4 (54:17):
ON i don't like it BECAUSE i, mean let me
be honest with, you not to go back into the,
past But Mike malone a you, know a championship coach
who done a terrific job, coach and that team got,
fired and it seems like it seems like the players
have sowed them. Out now now it seems like that's
what it. Was and because the jokers doing, THAT i mean,
jokers jokes are junkers at a place right.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Now obviously.
Speaker 4 (54:40):
You know where he's controlled the franchise and the, obviously
like you're just talking, about he's probably gonna win another
m V p.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Trophy he's gonna be. Close he probably get ANOTHER mvp.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
Trophy SO i do understand a coach him having to say,
so but you still can't undermine the. Coach you have
to listen to the. Coach you gotta let the coach
make his. Adjustments that's his.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
Job. Uh you never, want as a player have the.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
RESPONSIBILITY i never want to be able to control who's
in the game who's not a. GAME i can always,
SUGGEST i can suggest, something BUT i don't want to
be doing, that especially over mind the.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Coach it it.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
Looks bad and then it trickles down to the other.
Players you know that on the, team some guys think
they can do. It you, know it's kind of you,
KNOW i go back to the simple rules that what
time you gotta be on the, bus what time you
gotta be you, know be up that. Practice it just
it just goes down the, line you know WHAT i.
Mean so you never want to start. That so it
just it's it seems LIKE i saw, that, like, yeah
(55:35):
this is probably Why malone probably got. Fired they probably
had a lot of extra stuff going, on you know
WHAT i. Mean but you know it's tough, jokes, jokes
probably gonna be three TIME. MVP i, mean this guy's,
yeah SO i don't think you're gonna win it this
year to, one but it's hard for me to see
a scenario where he doesn't win at least one more
(55:57):
because the numbers are gonna be.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
There the number then be. There he's gonna be somewhere
between twenty five and thirty. Points he's gonna be somewhere
between ten and thirteen, rebounds he's.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Gonna be somewhere between eight and a half and ten.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Assist so he's gonna be there for the numbers are
gonna be indicative of somebody that should be it should
more than qualified to win that.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Award the question.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
If he if he take care of his body the
way he has taken care of his body for the
next couple of, years he definitely will be in the
running for one. MORE i think all this all depending
on how he takes care of his. Body if he
take care of us behead of they entered. THREE i,
MEAN i know it all look, sexy but you, know
if he's stay, answered if he stayed injury free and
(56:38):
can and stay, healthy he'll be right.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Back you're, Right he'll be in and running for another.
One ahead of this.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Game edelman accuse The clipper of the pumping in fake
noise and into, it, Though is that a good?
Speaker 3 (56:49):
Look do you want your coaching like? Man that not?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Today it ain't that, Loud it ain't that many people
are that's fake. Noise you like you like your coach
doing that.
Speaker 4 (56:56):
One, NO i want the coach to believe that we can.
WIN i don't, want we don't need. Know, actually we
should believe that we can. Win let's put together a game,
plan let's go out there right and, really to be,
honest you don't really like. That you want your home
court to correct their own. THING i know in some football,
fields y'all know that some. Arrange some stadiums had their
own little chants and the.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
When they get motivated and all.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
THAT i was known back when we were trying to
turn it, around and In boston before they moved into
THE Tv, northwindon we had The Free.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Center we called it the jungle we had because because
it did get so.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
Loud because we were starting to turn it, around we
were starting to become a playoff, team we were starting
to win. Games so our home games were exciting because
we had kind of created our own energy, now me
And paul and we was kind of creating our own.
Style So i'm like when the fans kind of, like you,
know figured it. Out it's kind of like growing up In.
CHICAGO i remember growing up and Watching michael New, player
especially when they spreading they had their own The national
(57:49):
when they The remembers started, lineup they had that music
that come, out but that was, them that was their own.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Thing that was only in the, stadium you know WHAT i.
Mean AND i remember The stateum used to be.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
ROCKING i want to see them Played Orlando madic in
the stadium when they played The orlando And jordan.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Camp but, yeah used to be rocking before they moved
into The United.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
STATES i just, think you, know every arena gotta have
their own, stuff and you don't need no coaches getting to.
That you don't need no Help you ain't nobody piping nothing.
There and this ain't these this ain't college these. Problems
they ain't gonna get distracted too.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
Easy, Yeah but those.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
The new arenas don't have that that intimate feeld because you,
know you gotta have all this.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Technology you got all these jumbo trons.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
And you got all this all this fancy equipment and
stuff like, That so you don't have the intimacy like
you had at The Old. Garden you don't have the
intimacy like you have at The. Farm at The, farm
you don't have the intimacy like you had At, chicago
at The, Stadium Chicago. Stadium you don't have that like
you see The packers have at Lambeau, field or The
bears that sold your, field or The chiefs at a
(58:54):
at An.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
Arrowhead there's some.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Stadium even Hinest field is not the intimacy like they
had It Three, Rivers. Joe so when you don't have,
that it's hard to create. That.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
NOW i get.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
It why they do it because the cost of these
players are going, up and so we got to find
a way to create. Revenues and we want places to
have other events other than. Basketball so you see, concerts
and you see track the, pools and you See, beyondcey
and you see a you, know THE Ncaa final, fours
and you see international championship.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
Games SO i get. IT i get. IT i totally get.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
It but as a professional and plus professionally college, kids,
man you, know college kids don't paint their. Faces they're
gonna take their shirts, Off they're gonna really be into.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
It.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Man look, here, MAN i played twelve fifteen thousand dollars
for a. Ticket, Man i'm gonna sit there like be.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
Chilling you know What i'm. Saying you know What i'm,
Saying ty you, right that's.
Speaker 4 (59:51):
Right you're gonna enjoyed the best way you. Can BUT
i don't think you, KNOW i don't think that bothering.
Pros you guys know that the fans don't bother. Us,
man when you we a profession our, fleete can you
enjoy it that they actually kind of motivate. You sometimes
you get to them sudden places and they get on.
You you have you now have the fans get on. You
that motivations you to go out there and play. Well
SO i don't think that's gonna that bodies professional, athletes
(01:00:14):
SO i don't think they need.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
That you can leave that. Along guys are too mentally
strong for. That these, days to, me the volume
The volume.
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first we got to go with basketball. The last two
games were very interesting to the very end. The first
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one O Joe, y'all in trouble. Y'all in trouble. But
let's start with the Warriors with a one to four
to ninety three victory. Steph Curry got it going. Hey,
when he's off the court, they're not the same team.
But he came back and they are very different teams.
Thirty six points, seven rebounds, nine assists. They did all
of this without Jimmy Butler. They got some timely. I
(02:55):
think Buddy Hill has seventeen points GP. The second two
he came up the bench May and he was sensational,
playing outstanding defense and made some time three and he
really closed the game out. Steph Curry is the oldest
player in the NBA history to have a playoff game
in which he scored thirty points, five rebounds, five assists
(03:17):
with five frees. Steph Curry assisted or scored on sixteen
of the twenty three points they had in the third quarter.
The Warriors did not score a single basket with Steph
wasn't on the court in the first half. That just
goes to show you just how valuable he is because
he opens it up for so many other people because
you have to double him because he has unlimited range. Kwan,
(03:41):
You're watching this game and it looked like houster like, now,
oh damn, Houston might go on the road.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's still the first one on the road, playing very
very well.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Jalen Green was playing out of his mind, stragoon dv
Dylan Brooks playing well.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
But he got in fil trouble. He goes to the bench.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
What did you like about what you saw from the
Warriors and how were they able to pull this out
after being behind the majority of the game.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Actually, I really to be honest, I like the fact that,
you know, Steph obviously played great. You know he's gonna
have to have a monster game with Jimmy being out.
But man, Buddy Hill and Gary Page second man came
up here with You know, when those guys scored the basketball,
they become real dangerous. And that's what they need because
Draymond Grant and at this point in his career is
not gonna score the ball.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
He's gonna do a lot of changeables.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
He's gonna rebound, he's gonna defend, he's gonna get some steals.
So they gotta get scoring for Steph. You know, when skeeth,
you gotta have somebody else that's gonna help Steph out.
And that's what made it great tonight to see those
guys step up. You never know what's gonna happen with
those stay you know, Steve Kurzman messing with coming of
this series too, hasn't really been let them play, So
you don't know who's gonna show up.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Big, especially with Jimmy out. But a huge game and
Steph being Steph.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
That's one thing about you know, Steph probably can win
two games in the series by himself, and this was
one of them tonight.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, at this point in his career, Draymond is rich.
He's never been a score He doesn't really look to score.
He's looking to do a great job of handling the ball,
sitting great pigs, rebounding defended as you mentioned, and initiating
the offense.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Gary Payton the second.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
In the fourth quarter, he had eleven point three rebounds,
one of sis he was one hundred percent from the floor,
one hundred percent from the three. He played exceptional in
the second when he got in there. He and Buddy Hill,
as you mentioned, twe Oh Joe, what'd you like about
what you saw from the Warriors?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I mean, listen, and I like what I saw from
the words. Obviously Steph did what Stephan normally does. But listen,
Like Ton said, I thought the Rocker.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I thought the Rockers was gonna steal a game, especially
with the way they were playing Steph. They had somebody
running tracking him everywhere all over the court. You know them,
young bull, You know everybody over there.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Young. So he tried.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
They trying to set screen, to set fix, and they
on Steph and they contest and everything, make it every
shot difficult all the way up into the half. And listen,
he just exploded in the second half, hitting a lot
of shots. But I think one of the reasons with Jimmy,
with Jimmy Butler being out, obviously you need a stef
to have a game like this day, and he can
go off like this and win win a game by himself.
He had thirty six, twelve or twenty three. But the
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supporting cast, Buddy Hill went crazy with seventeen. Gary Payton Jr.
Contributed as well over sixteen, and the Warriors bench outscored
the Rockets UH forty two to thirty one. And that
was a major fact and why they were able to
win this game.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Well, it looked like they started early to one. They
was blessing him, They was trapping him, getting the ball
out of his hands. They want to make him give
it up. And and if you notice, lady in steph career,
Steph is sometimes I thought early he would force the three.
Steph doesn't have a problem putting the ball on the
floor and go into the basket.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Not to one. That makes him dangerous because the.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
US before like a nah, Bro, you're not We're not
worried about you driving the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So you know we're gonna hug up on you.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Nah, Steph say nah, he has too good, bro, because
I can put it on and go behind my back
between my legs and I.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Can finish with either hand.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And he's unafraid to shoot that mid range also, so
he's his game when he gets that three ball going,
When he shoots the ball and he's turning, he's starting.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I got something for y'all y'all. Hey, y'all get that
dangerous one. Be dangerous listen. I stick with Houston.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You don't have to respect the fact that Steph Curry
is who he is, obviously one of the greatest players
of all time.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You gotta double to take the ball in his hands.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
You gotta make one of those other guys see if
they can get twenty twenty five points tonight.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You can't allow step especially the game.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Once Jimmy Butler was not playing, I would have double
Steph the whole game.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I wouldn't allow Steph to beat me.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I will see if I would have seen him, Commander,
I would have seen them Buddy Hill, Gary Pagon a second,
even though Buddy had to go pay the second. If
thought playing t Riffin tonight and let's see if they
can do it in an all series law, I'm not
gonna just let them beat me. I can't let step
beat me if he had no you know, he's gonna
have one of those nights where nobody's gonna be able
to But you gotta flood out guard him and double
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team him as much as possible and make somebody else
beat you. If Houston wants to win, because Houston don't
have enough scoring. I love Houston. I love the fact,
I love their mentality, I love the way they play.
They play hard, but you know, in this league, you
gotta score some points. They just don't have enough fireparty offensively.
So if you go if you're not gonna be able
to score the basketball, you gotta defend at a really,
really high level.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think the thing is one is that they're so
athletic and they're used to getting up and down. But
you know, come playoff time, they're gonna make your ass
play in the half court. So you better be able
to run some sets. And that's what's saying. If you
go back and look at Golden State, look at when
they run that made their run, they would be able
to run set. Step is perpetual motion. He's not gonna stop.
So if you think you got him guarded on one side,
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you better tell the guy, hey, Harry, come over to
you so he can be on his best behavior, because
he and somebody's gonna set a pig. Because so you
have to watch him. You have to keep literally keep
your eyes on him at all times because if you
turn your head for just a second, he'll backdoor you
or they hit that flare to him to the corner
and then now he's splashing the three in your eyes
and you're like, well, damn, and you can guard good
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for twenty one, twenty two, twenty three seconds and he'll
let the ball go and it's splashed. And it's so
demoralizing when you play defense for that long one and
you don't have anything to show for it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Couriero, Joe, I'm gonna say that. That's gonna say the
same thing.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I think the Rockets did a very very good job
trying to contain him and do as much as they
can to disrupt his rhythm, obviously in the first half,
but knowing even though they would, even though they have
the younger legs, they were unable to continue to do that. Obviously,
Steph going off and at some point he's one of
those players on no matter what the game plan is,
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you just hope to contain them because you're not gonna
be able to stop him.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And that's what young boy did tonight. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The thing is if he see one or two of
them go in and you can, you can play the
perfect defense, and you saw the I mean he'll start
fawling out of bounds and launch.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
At the ball. You're like that, ain't got no business
going in.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That should not have fallen, but it does and it
gives him a jot of energy. So now you got
your work cutout for him, because, like Twan say, you
might have to bless him or trap him at half court.
You've got to make him give that ball up and
make someone else beat you. I'm gonna see, let's see
if buddy, he'll can go get thirty six. Let's see
object of Gary Payton a second, if he can go
(09:55):
get me a twenties, because I cannot let Steph do
what he does and let the auxiliary guys do what
they're doing. By adding to that, if you do that,
you ask them for a lot. But I agree with you,
twe I thought with minus Jimmy Butler, I said, you
know what, anybody but Steph. Anybody but Steph ab s
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anybody but step And you.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Know what and think And I have a lot of
respect for you, Doug. I think you want to have
great young coaches in the league. I just got to
make somebody else beat me. I cannot let Steph beat me.
Once Jimmy Butler puts a DNP and he don't put
that uniform on. I'm making somebody else beat me. I
I just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I can't see Steph with thirty seven forty points and
really controlling and dominating the game. I'm pretty sure they're
gonna look at the film and your dope was a
little stuff and we all know that he doesn't. Stephan
is probably top ten, top fifteen club I ever played
the game.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Let's respect that, and that's double team.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
That's respecting the double team and force somebody else to
beat you. You can't just play hard on those defense
unless you got one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I know Dylan Brooks is this defensive spec let's and
he knows he's tough.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
But if you don't have a guy that's gonna chase
and run for forty minutes, what Steph is gonna do
and the guy's gonna have the balls of.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
His hands the whole game.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Just double team and get it out of his hands
and make somebody else beat you.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, I thought Dylan Brooks got in foul trouble.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And the problem is that you have is that he
knows the type of defense that Dylan brook Is gonna
play on him. I think you got to give him
a lot of different looks, because it's just like anything,
you give a guy enough, he'll build up in the
resistance to it and he'll understand, Okay, this is how
you're gonna play me, this is the way you play.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Okay, this is what I need to do.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So and once Dylan Brooks got in foul trouble, then
you know they tried and Thompson on him, they tried
some other different guys. But now you let him see
a couple of those shots go in and and you know,
the NBA is such a rhythm game. A guy, a
guy that might not be one of these great players,
he can see a couple of shots go in.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
And also true, don't forget to add go and stay
at home. So you know, yeah, you know, stay at home.
So you know you tend to play better. Not only
just the road players played bettert hall your main guy
played better at home. I mean, obviously you want your
start to get your big game on a row. But
you know Steph has huge games in that arena. You
get to think about that too, that home crowd too.
So I'm just gonna try to just rub them, get
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them out. They rhythm they're missing a key piece. Well
that missing Jimmy Butler, a guy that brings so much
to their team. You got the double team stuff. It's
no other way that you're gonna be able to beat
Golden State, especially at home, because those others are gonna play.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Better at home. They you know, at home.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
It's just it's kind of like a it's an on
gon saying that the others play better at home. You know,
they just they feed off the crowd. You get great
production from those guys at home. Now, if you want
that strategy on the road at Houston, okay, maybe, but
at home, those guys are gonna make shots.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They're gonna feed off the crowd.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
And that's when you seen Buddy Hill and Gary Pagon
second have nice nights.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Not only did you let Steph go get thirty six,
you let him have nine assists. So now you allowed
him to bring others to the party. It was supposed
to be ay, I told you it was Steph not
a plus one plus two step to come to the
party by himself. So now you let him speak two
other guys that defend the party. So now there's three,
and when it was only supposed to be one. I
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see him one. I just say a one plus one
or one plus two. I say, step you're invited to
this party. Okay, Lloyd behold he brings buddy, he'll and
Gary paid the second. Now look what Look what happened.
They are dancing. Then them got rid of the DJ.
They playing their own type of music, Old Joe. They
do what they want it, you.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Know, you know, not just mean everything to the You
know sometimes you know, you know, if I'm Houston, I
may not want that match up.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You know, That's sometimes I can happen.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Because their key players are battle tested in these situations. Houston,
isn't you see Steph Curry, Draymond. They've been here, done that.
Although Jimmy hasn't won a title, he's taking a team
to the NBA finals whice, so he know. It was
like Cavan, Looty, he's done that, Kaminga and Moody.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
They was on that team.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Although they didn't get very much very many minutes, they
understand these moments. Houston haven't been in these moments before.
It is a different type of an atmosphere. It's a
different type of environment, and you have to be there
and be in it to understand what it's actually, like,
I'm not so sure that these guys understand what it's like.
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You're like, oh, you have to go through the fire.
That's why it's so hard for first timers to win
the championship.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Now it's happened, but you need to be battle.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Testing a situation like that, and I don't think Houston
is battle tested enough in that situation. And another thing, twan,
who's their go to guy? You see most teams they
gotta go to guy. They gonna go to the Celtic.
Excuse me, Celtics gonna go either the JT or JV.
You got the Clippers. They're gonna put the ball in
Kawhi hand, or they gonna put it in James Harden.
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You get the Nuggets, Jamal Murray or Yokes touching that ball.
Lakers you got Lebron, you got Luca, you got ant Man.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
For the opposing team, you got Ben Carroll.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't know if I can defend it, say I
want to get the ball to this guy right here
and let him go do something special. I think they're
they're they're built on They're an assembly type team. So
you know, hopefully guys played well, we can get out
on the break and use our appleticism in our youth.
But when they get you in a half court set,
you better have somebody that can go one on one
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or it's getting late in the ball game.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You need that person.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I mean Tom before you before you answer, obviously, I
think about Van Bleet.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know a veteran, veteran president. He's on the court.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
He's used to being one of the guys that normally
has the ball in his hands and can create and
make things happen. But Drayden Green is that guy. He's
supposed to be that guy. He's the one that can
make things happen. He can he can put the ball
on the floor, he can create space, he can take
people on one on one. So collectively as a group,
they have to get it done. If based on what
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you're saying, if they don't have their antiapulas, they don't
have the Luke or they Lebron on their team, or
their Steph Curry, Jalen Green has to step up and
be that guy, especially in moments like this, and use
the youth to the advantage.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
You just start when you start off with your question,
you named everybody a superstar or two on each everybody
team when you think about Houston, like you say, child,
it's by committee. It's not really one guy. We can
really pinpoints that's gonna be that guy. And that's something
that eventually the upper management they're gonna have to try
to go out there and maybe get a guy a
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list to go along with the group they got because
they gotta, well, yeah, they gotta. I would love to
see him with a young court like this. I would
love to see him with a young court like this. Well,
they don't have that guy. So this is the first
time going through it, so I just think, well, Jalen
Green is still young. Doesn't understand he hasn't played well
this series either. He didn't play well at home and
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he hasn't really played well. Because you gotta think Superstar
one the first game. You gotta put that thing up
twenty five times twenty five thirty, childs. I don't give
myself a change, you know. If I'm gonna be a superstar,
I gotta give myself a chance. Especially on the road.
I gotta I gotta somebody on that Houston team's gotta
stay up. It's big, he's been up. If it's a
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friend's been there, get on my belt. Somebody's gotta take
a look.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's not Fred has played well.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Go ahead, I'm gonna ask swan a Swan based on
when the team the team, now you can you can
probably give me that help on this team and the
team obviously, you have certain players that have the green
light to be able to put the ball up and
shoot whenever they want, you know, regardless whether they're missing
trying to get themselves in the rhythm. In Jalen Green,
that guy that has that green light to be able
to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Oh, without question, he definitely has that grain right there.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
He probably he's probably the only He's probably one A
and I'm gonna say Fred, maybe one B. The guys
that have the grain like that can just come down
and shoot. I'm gonna just say those two guys, Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Jalen Green did not play well. He was four of
eleven and one for five. It was kind of a
very similar situation in Game one in which they played
and they ended up losing that game, and the game
really wasn't close. They made uh, they made a run
at Golden State late in the ball game, but the
game I think it got, the close they got was
maybe four or six with a with like a minute
to go. But he has to play, he has to
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play better. I don't think Fred van Fleet has played
well this year.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I know he's been nicked twe and I know he's
more than cable. That's why he got the big money
to come to Toronto, but he hasn't played well. And
he in order for them to win, because he's the
one that's been in these situations with Toronto. He won
a championship, so he knows what it's like. But I
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think in order for them to have a chance they go,
he's he's gonna have to play much better than what
he's playing.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I got, I got so much respect for you, Doka.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I don't think the series is over, but this is
gonna be a d serious I think. I think Houston
has a chance to make some adjustments. They can see
what they did wrong and really respond to this. Because
you don't know how long Jimmy's out. We haven't got
the word how long Jimmy's gonna be out of Jimmy
has to say a couple of games.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
This series is still wide open.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Now, if you get Jimmy back, they probably gonna be
a little out number to be able to beat to
beat the Golden State Warriors. But if Jimmy's not gonna
sit out, which I'm probably sure, Steve Curris probably gonna say,
hey you might yep, I agree yes, and say take
the next game off. Let's get you to one hundred
percent and get you back to a one hundred percent.
(19:27):
So I just think that this young team is their
first time going and we got we got so much
respect for him because they had such a great season
and they have three seed, but they they're in experiensial
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You see some of the well.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I'm sorry to seed, You're right, So we're putting a
lot of we put a lot of thought that they're
gonna be really good, but you see the mistakes. You're
seeing them right now throughout the game and throughout the series,
the mistakes that they're making, and I don't know if
they're gonna be able to recover.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Steph is too good to get them.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Veteran guys, everybody on Golden State have been in meaningful
games throughout their career. It's gonna be hard to beat
Golden State. This was the game they needed. Without Jimmy tonight,
you could have put a little pressure on Golden State. Now,
I think yod the State feels good about theirselfs.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
But when you think about it, you thought about all
the teams that could potentially be the seventh seed, I
think all of them pretty much would have been favored.
If the Clippers the seventh seed, I think they would
have been favored over Houston. I think they would be
anybody Minnesota. I think they would have been favored over Houston.
Golden State is favorite over Houston. I think Lakers would
have been favored. I don't see a scenario because of
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their youth and because of the lack of because every
team that I mentioned they have a bona fide superstar,
so have.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Two the nudgets. We know what you said, the magic word.
You just said the match Racord.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
You gotta you know this, You gotta have superstars playoff
time during the season, because your legs are fresh and
you guys know that stort of season everything else.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Young guys gonna have fresh legs. All the guys. It's
gonna take them a while to rep up become playoff time.
They know how to win.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
They're not going to preserve its back. It's no back
to back games nobody ever talked about that. I always
tell people, it's no back to back games, so you
get time to get that body to get rejuvenated, give
him the cold tub, get yourself back together.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's why it doesn't bother Golden State.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
A team like that that has some veterans on their team,
they gonna get a couple of days off. They right
back at it, but they get the rest with these
young guys, gotta understand that and figure out different ways
to be effective. I think with Houston, you have to
respect what they have, and that's double team step You
can't let Steph beat you. If I'm your dooka, I'm
gonna put my pride to the side, I know. But
they want to be this tough defensive team, and you
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just want to have a couple of guys that can
guard individually. I'm gonna respect Steph as a top ten
player to ever play this game, and I'm a double
team him and make Buddy Hill, make Gary Payton this
that a second beat Moody.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
They gotta beat me. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It's long. I'm going like back in the old school days.
I'm running across the half court. I'm dropping Steph. Just
just pusting that out of his hand a little bit,
making some other guys take some shots. You can't have
a nightlight tonight when you get four or five other
guys in double figures and Steph yet thirty.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's gonna be tough to be in that way. You're
absolutely right. And another thing you look, I'm essential. I
ain't going nowhere because guess what, I ain't gotta play.
I ain't got to play in Orlando and then lead
that night and go to and go to go to
Miamas and then come back up the road and go
to Atlanta and then I hit Charlotte and then I'm
up to Balton. I ain't got no long road to hade.
I'm here, so I might be here for four days,
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but I'm here. I don't have any travel whereas in
the regular season you got traveling. Like you said, those
young legs can take advantage. Now be stationary. We ain't
going nowhere until we leave and have to go back home. Well,
that favor of the team that's been there, that knows
what it's like to be in situations like this and
to be able to like to to to like, okay,
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this is what we need to do. Lock in this
right here, and teams that have been here. Oh Joe,
they know how to put you in a half course,
said you when you gotta be you got to be able.
They're not gonna let you get up and down. They're
not gonna let you get up and down. You got
you got the executing a half course said, and an
execution normally comes from guy that have been there.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And Kwanne keep saying, superstar players.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Look at the teams and look at they have at
least one some of them have two superstar players that
understand this moment and how to get it done.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
The reason, it's the reason why State, it's the reason
why Golden State made the trade they did.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
For Jimmy Butler. They wasn't gonna be leave.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
They knew they couldn't continue to lease Steph Curry on
that island by himself.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I love Drake, I love Draymond Green. Is probably gonna
be a Hall of Fame. But Draymond Green is not
a score. He's a more of a you know, utility
player's gonna get you four or five rebounds, six seven
as since play defense. He's gonna do all the intangibles,
but they needed another bonafide score to go along with
Steph Curry, and that's why you saw the additional Jimmy Butler.
So that's the same thing with Houston. You're figuring this
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out right now. You had an exceptional season. I'm not
saying this serious is over, but you have to respect
what you got right now is on the roster. You
don't have a guy. You don't know who's gonna get
twenty five or thirty Fife. We got to wait to see,
you know what I mean. We don't know right now.
We're waiting to see who's gonna show up. And you're
askings some young guys.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Jana Green.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
This guy's first time around in the rodeo, second time
playing meaningful games like this. It takes some time. But
you gotta respect stuff. I'll I'm gonna say, I would
love to see you Donka. Don't be stubborn. Respect stuff,
Double him and make somebody else beat you.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
That's how I want, you know, hey, uncle, Yeah, I
mean listen, and to make make the series obviously interesting. Also,
the head coach Iedoka, he could go talk to Van Vliet,
he could talk to you know, brother Green and say man,
listen in order for to have a chance. Not only
are we gonna double stuff, double step and do what
we need to do defensively on him. You got the
exertive injury. But on the office end, may y'all, if
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you see it, pull it. If you see it, pull it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Every time.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I need you to put up twenty five twenty five
shots a game.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It's it's the only way because we don't have it,
because we don't.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Have a bona fire superstar. I need one of y'all
to fill that role and put your cape on.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, but if they don't win this game, it's over
because I don't believe they can beat them three times
in a row. If Golden State win this next game
at home, it's over. See's over to one. They're not
beating them. They're not beating them three games in a row.
And now this was the big this is the big
game of night. You need to still listen with Yes,
you left one slip away on your home floor, which
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obviously that kills you. You would love to go on the
Golden State up too. Well, that didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
So when that doesn't happen, you know you gotta win
game three to get controlled back of the series. Now
it's back to Golden State because now you're able to
win one without Jimmy. Now he gets two games off
now with a couple of days sprinkling their rest, so
you don't even have to bring him back because worst
case scenario to too. So now you get Jimmy to
get a chance, they could get a few extra days rest.
It's just gonna be tough for Houston because they're gonna
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have to find scoring. I don't know where that's gonna
come from. They're still young, Jabari Smith, those young guys
don't have enough mental toughness to say, hey, I'm gonna
get twenty shots up. They did it all. Yeah, I
play back committee, you know what I mean. They're not
gonna shoot the ball and be aggressive like that. So
it's gonna be tough to do that. But they're gonna
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be competitive. They're gonna be games like tonight. They're gonna
compete you. Doug's gonna have them ready. But I just
think they're a little out matched. Sometimes match ups matter
in the playoffs, and I think they're a little out
match right now.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Say Tin, so there's no scenario with my game.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, So there's no scenario what you see the Rockets
even having a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You really think this series is over.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
You gotta win with it with no Jimmy Butler, you
gotta get to win, and so you can. Now, you know,
I'm assuming that Steve Kurts gonna probably Steve k maybe
I can get Jimmy a couple extra Yeah, me too.
So you rest Jimmy again, you're still too too. I
still like Goolden State. In this scenario, you had to
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win to night. I think tonight you had to take
over the series. And then you build that confidence and
then now Jimmy may want to play the next game.
He not filling one hundred percent, you know what I'm saying.
Now he comes back and now he can kind of
throw that rhythm off a little bit. But now I
think the moment is completely in Golden State hand. They
had controlled the series.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Now the most interesting game of the night, the Nuggets
and the Clippers, and all of these games, with the
exception of Game three, have come right down to the end.
The series of now tied to two and twine. I
don't know if you're old enough to remember when this happened.
The first thing went through my mind, NC State Houston
nineteen eighty three and Albuquerque, New Mexico Gary wittbergon Lorenzo
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Charles dunks it in at the buzzer. They beat Elijah
Ward Clyde Drexler. That great Houston coover team coached by
coach Guy Lewis rest is soul, and they pull off
the national championship. Very very similar situation. Replay Center officials
confirmed the ruling. It was a good basket. The ball
was out of his hand when the buzzer went off.
According to ESPN research, Aaron Gordon Dunk was the first
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ever game winning buzzy beating dunk in NBA postseason history.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yokic, He Yokic, look Shave's gonna win the m v P.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yoki is the best player in the NBA thirty six points,
twenty one rebounds, eight assists, two steals.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
He joined Johanna says, the only players with.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
A thirty five to twenty five playoff game over the
last twenty season.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
He was great when he needed to be great.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And I don't even I don't know what what, I
don't know what ad work, adjunctives or adverbs or whatever
we want to use to describe this man throd but
we can't say we can't sing his praise or heat
praise on him enough. That third quarter was was a
thing of beauty. They expressed to lead the twenty five
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to twenty. But I know you know I'm noticing this,
and tell me, am I delusional. When teams get down,
it seems like everybody likes to jump into that zone.
The Clippers jumped into a zone and it really, it
really threw them out their rhythm because the guys started
taking early threes byl Forter Junior couple took a couple,
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I think Aaron Gordon took a couple of fake Murray
took a couple and it allowed them to get and
they started trapping for some turnovers and they got themselves
back into the ball game. But the Nuggets absolutely had
to win this game in order to make this a series.
I can see this being a seven game series. What
did you like about what you saw from the fight
and the determination because normally, Twine, you have a lead
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that big and you lose it and the team take
the lead.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
We cooked.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Honestly, you know you would never championship team. You just
saying it right now. Those guys been in the wars.
They've been there before. They don't get rattled. I think
with the Clippers, and you just alluded to it a
little bit. You gotta pick your poison. I mean, don't
get me wrong. Your kiss is gonna get his numbers,
but you gotta decide it's gonna be thirty six or
twenty six. And what I mean by you gotta double
him double, You gotta double him with a purpose. I
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can't get him get a trump will double with thirty
because now the chest side.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You want to lose that game. If he's able to
get thirty points.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
You have to make You gotta make Murray, you have
to make you know, Gordon, you have to make Michael
Porter Jr.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Beat you.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
You have to decide to Lewis there is a great
basketball mind, Jeff van Gundy. I know it's over there.
Orchestrating the defense. You can't let him have his cake
eating to y'all. Y'all guys are against saying too when
you ever got your cake and eating too. You can't
give them both. You gotta take away one. And they
didn't do that tonight when he when you look at
them numbers, you see thirty six, twenty one eight.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
That meant he did everything. Yeah, you gotta you gotta.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Take Yeah, Rhythm have fifteen assists and twenty points. Now,
Normans I got a chance. But then you're gonna give
them thirty points. They don't have a chance to beat them.
The Clippers. Gotta remember the Clippers are missing nothing really
important piece off the scoring from last year. Obviously, Paul
George is a big piece to replaced. On the scoring side.
Norman Powell was great today. They're not getting much at
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the point guard position as far as scoring. If the
Clippers are not, they're kind of doing that back committee.
I think the big fella's playing as good as he
can play Zubox. He's you know, he's playing unbelievable. You
playing against you know, the best center ever to play
the game. You know, he may end up as the
that's another play game. You're playing him one on one
most of the time and trying to gu out the
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man score up. So they're doing a good job and
that in that sense, I just think the Clippers have
to make a decision or we can't give them both.
Which one are we gonna give them? Are we gonna
make him a passer or we're gonna let him be
a score. I ain't gonna lie to you. He's that good.
I don't know what you one to do hard, Yeah,
I have to watch. I gonna have to really watch
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the film.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Chat. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I gotta watch the film and like gonna figure out it.
Maybe the percentages. You know, these guys are analytical now,
so maybe this guy maybe some percentagees that can tell
you which way to go.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But man, I can't I can't sit and watch him
do both. But hey, this is things too right to one.
Listen what happened? If you do if you do double him,
you double it.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
You catch him up top, you catch him down in
the post, and you're double him forcing him to kick
the ball out. But you have Michael Porter Junior, Christian Braun,
you got Jamal Hurry playing in your cheerity. In the
way they are tonight, it wouldn't matter if he does
get twenty, if he doesn't get thirty, they gonna they
gonna counter for the points that he does score.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
With the way they played the Now, well, I want
to see him get five guys. I want to see
them get five guys and double figures again. I'm gonna
try to lose that way. But I'm I'm a lesson
that thought. Okay, I'm gonna make that thirty six twenty
three at the right. I don't want it to be thirty.
It can't be thirty six and five guys and double figures.
That's what happened tonight.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You get that.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
That can't You can't nobody beat them like that, right, right, right,
And Plus the thing is is that you let him
get it in an efficient manner. Now, if he gets
thirty six and it took him thirty shots, did you
can live with that?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
To one?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's a great You let him get that. You let
him get those numbers in an efficient manner. He's fourteen
to twenty five. Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Let him I got, I got. I know Jeff fv Gunny.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
We all know Jeff von Gunny, great defensive mind, one
of the greatest defensive minds that the coach basketball. He
has to He's won against Michael Jordan, he's won against
Kobe Bryce want to sing in some of the greatest
scores that ever played the game. You got to decide
which one. You can't just take both of them. You
can't just let this guy you can't. You can't take
the you can't take the triple double and the thirty points.
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You can't have to happen. I got to you gotta
make a decision on whether or not I'm the double
team this guy and make him a passer. Nuggets only
hit ten threes tonight. They ain't hit a lot of threes.
They had ten. No, the Clippers hit ten. So you know,
you you're even in the three point category tonight. So
I gotta take my chance. I might respect this guy,
could possibly be the MVP again. He's probably the right
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you know, one of the top five greatest centers ever
played the game. You have to respect guys, That's what
I'm saying about Stepf. You have to respect guys and
what they bring to the game and how much a
difference they make to their team.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I can't let Joker have both of them. That's just me.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I'm not gonna tilu. You gotta figure out I'm not
gonna let them do both.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, I thought, I thought, you know, they they the
other night he out a triple double, but he was,
you know, in a losing effort.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I mean he was since I mean he's he's McCauley.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
There's a reason why he's won three MVPs in the
last five years. He's probably gonna finish second this year.
He's been second every other time that he didn't win
the award. I don't think this year is gonna be
any different. He's sensational because we've never seen a center
that can do all that he can do on the
offensive end.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
He has no weakness. Footwork is impeccable.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
He can shoot the three, he has a turnaround, he
can play with his back to the basket. He can
he can, he can run the offense. Hey, you come
with a double team. He knows, Oh that's you. So
my man, this guy's supposed to be over here without
even looking woo whoop.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
He's basketball player. That's what I meant. That's what I
mean said.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
You gotta respect him, respect the still set, respect what
he brings to the table, and try to take something away.
And then you gotta try to double team. Get it
ball out of his hands. Make somebody else beat you.
I want to take my chances. I'm I'm if it's me,
I'm a double team them, and I'm gonna see how
many Michael Porter, Jamal Murray see them and go on,
I'm gonna sew how many shots those guys can in.
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I'm gonna see if one of those guys can go off.
I'm gonna try to just double change out to frustrate him,
get it out of hand.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Did you get a little bit more from a I
think they need to get a little bit more from
Chris Done. I thought Kawhi played really well, especially in
the second half of that fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
He was really good. Zobox has given you everything.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I mean, he's given you what he averaged in the
regular season nineteen and twelve hardened. I like to see
Harden be a little bit more aggressive. He only took
eleven shots. I like to see Harden around fifteen to eighteen.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
He's I think he's.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Trying to pick his spots and you kind of watch him.
He's not like overfully aggressive. He's trying to get his
teammates involved in. But I think it's certain times he
has to be aggressive. When they go to that Ben
Simmons lineup Ben Simmons anyway, and they're.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Not even looking at the basket shot. He ain't even looking.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
So when you know what I'm saying, shy, he's not
looking at the basket, So I am not looking at
the basket. Bro he in the game, he's kind of like,
you know, he's on that team, it's six against four
when he's not looking at the basket. So that may
be a time where James go, you know, get it
to us one on one game and they try to
be a lot more aggressive. But I do agree with you.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
You need it's them.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
You need that thirty the thirty five, like you know
Kawhi Kawhi went on, he had that thirty thirty five
point performance. You need James and Kawhi got to get
those numbers because you're not gonna get much, you know,
at that center spot. Besides, you know, with with Ben
is in the game, and I know they like to
play that lineup because they get Denver kind of confused
a little bit and everything that Ben Ben is a
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pretty good defender. I am gonna say that he is
a pretty good defender. He still could play defense, but offensively,
he's such a liability. You know, it's hard to watch sometime.
I can't believe it that he needs right now.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Yeah, hey, hey he to on somebody like Ben Simmons
that has all the potential. Obviously, at one point and
what I thought, based on what I heard and what
I've seen, at what point mentally does a confidence kick
in and he understands how good he can actually be.
He and he finds himself getting in the rhythm and
he finds himself getting confidence. I mean, I don't understand
(36:59):
what the issue is based on him. If you look
at him, you understand what you canna do.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
What he can do.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
He can play defense, he can score if he had
the confidence and willingness to shoot the ball, whether it
be mid range, where to be three, whether it be
you know, taking people off the dribble to the whole.
It's like he doesn't want to do anything. I don't
want to scare. I've seen him a clear layup right
there and it's wide open, and he rather pass it off.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
I think it's I think at this point it's it's
gonna take a coach then hopeful that honestly believes in them,
play on extended minutes and force him to be aggressive offensively.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
You have to really base that, force him to be that.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
You know, remember he was playing a lot of point
guard towards then before he left obviously left New Jersey,
but you I mean brook Bay. But he has to
he has to, like you have to put him in
position where you have to force him to be a
score to be a playmaker, like him playing a center
like I would if I was little. I'll let him
bring the ball off the court against Jolkis. Maybe put
him in a pick a roll, maybe he can turn
the corner. The joke you can't guard him in the
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open court, but you're bailing them out. You're bailing them
out by not letting to be aggressive offensively for what
you just talked about chat because he don't want to
shoot the ball. He don't want to be aggressive and
attack the basket. That's what's basketball.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
So me, me personally, I think it's that shift sail
because there were times that he had the ball in
his hand.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
At Philly and he wasn't aggressive.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
And you know, you know, Joel Embiid said what he said,
Doc Rivers said what he said. You see the thing is,
and I use the analogy like this one Twine and
O Joe M. I can teach you to swim if
you're not afraid of the water. See if you're afraid
of the water, I can't teach you how to swim.
You see twin. You said he's afraid of the basket,
so I can't teach him how to be aggressive. You
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see a guy that's not afraid of the basket. Hey,
I'm missing okay, okay, Oh well, the next one's gonna
go in.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
That's not how he sees it.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Plus, if he gets fouled, he doesn't want to go
to the pre throw line because he got the yips there.
So now I'm not looking to score, and I'm not
looking because they might file me and put my butt
on the free throw line.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
So I'm afraid of the water.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
So I really won't ever be able to do anything
but doggy Pallo stand up in the kiddie pool. I'm
really not gonna try to get I'm not gonna put
my head up out of the water.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Go back to look at it.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
You, I like, I like what you said is one
hundred percent accurate, and I think that. But I think
what t Lou is looking at is that maybe I
got a quicker guy. He's been a great defender in
this league. Yokich is not a guy that plays above
the basket. He plays below the rim. That's a guy
that I can probably put on and mix it up
a little big because Ben Simmons probably sixteen sixt eleven.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
He's like looking, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Teah him out he.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Was, he's about sixteen sixty eleven. Chut he That's that's
why he's playing center. That's why he's playing center. Yeah,
that big, he's a big kid.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I'm thinking. I'm thinking he's sixty five sixty.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Six No wait, no, no, no, no, no. The shorter,
the shortest he may be is six y nine. That's
the shortest.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
He's being sixth hand. Yeah, he's yeah, and he's supposed
to be out there dog and it.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I'm like, man, stop a stop playing.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
That's what got a hundred million dollar contract because he
was six fives.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
See what concerned me is that I didn't see him
get any better from his rookie year till now. Go
back and look at all the guys that's got these
big contracts. Have you seen Shakee get better? Have you
seen Jaylen Brown get better?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Better?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Have you seen Jason Tatum get better? Have you seen Luca?
Have you seen Jaylen Bronson? Look at all the guys.
Austin Reeves is a prime example. It's hard if you
put the time in the gym for you not to
get incrementally better at one It's just hard for you
to stay the same tells me you're doing the same thing.
Look at those guys and how they've evolved and how
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they've gotten better and better.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Look at Kawhi. Kawhi wasn't no scoring when he got
in the league. Kawhi gave you by twelve thirteen. Not
Kawhi can give you twenty six forty seven when he's healthy,
because you see the work that he's putting in.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna be honest
with y'all. You guys know this as athletes, and we
are athletes. You know sometimes guys don't want it.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Man, You know what I mean? Can we can want
them to have it?
Speaker 4 (41:14):
We see all the individual talent he showed us a
glimpse from when you can Colls his first couple of
years in the league, or how great it can be
and what you just said, if he hasn't decided to
put that into work.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
And I love t lit to T. Lou is one
of the best.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Coaches in the league and great motivators, and if Tluke
can't get him to playing basketball at a level, that's
gonna just contribute to help the team. I don't know
where you go from here. This is like the perfect scenario.
You don't have to have the ball in your hands.
You got a guy like Kawha scoring the ball. All
you got to do is do the intangibles on the team.
But they didn't even step up. You can't get donuts
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from them, You can't. You gotta get some. You gotta
get something.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Out of it. You had two points tonight.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
Hey, hey, I tell you what you could do.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
We could do. Tell the business Simmons, come on down
here to Miami and hang with me for six months.
Were gonna were gonna get him mentally right? Six eleven? Yes,
all this, all this time, I've been watching basketball. I think,
you know, I think, young boy. I'm thinking he's sixty six,
you know, six y five.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
I'm thinking he's scared to shoot the ball obviusly obviously
being in Philly. You know how Philly fans are. They
do not play They will boo you in your own stadium.
So I'm thinking, Okay, maybe he's a little reluctant to
pull the trigger. He doesn't want to go to the
free throw line. Understand it. I know how hard it
is when you're misshots and you're feeling down yourself. But
then he has to deal with the fans. Okay bo,
And that's one thing. But then I think about, well, damn, still,
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as many years as been, you got your big deal,
and you still haven't got that confidence in you to
be able to just at will, just play the game
you've been playing since you were young.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Basketball. All you got to do is take the ball,
put that motherfuckering the hoop.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Excuse me, now, my my, my mentality on him is
now changing because now you're telling me he's six ten
sixt eleven and he's playing like he like he five
ten fact brings he I saw for.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
God, Bring him on down here to Miami.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
I get you, right, because hey, you gotta understand, I'm
in high school. I was only six four, but I
every fifty six a game since my freshman yar in
high school.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Listen every every night, every every game to our.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
Fifty sixth twelve and nine, fifty six twelve and nine,
same score line.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
But I chose to play football instead, like you know,
you know, you D a few guys down there, I
can get to fact.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, play against you D. Hey, I
don't know you D twice. Yeah, I got asked you
D asked you D about me in high school? Whore
I was the real deal.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
I was like I was a mix between like Russell
Westbrook and John Moran and and and and then Kevin
and Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, I was. I was a little I'm gonna say this,
I'm not I never say you play. So just a
little back story.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
I played with Donovan McNab who was a great basketball player,
So I'm not gonna I played with Donovan mcnah great
basketb Yeah, yeah, a good time, he would he said,
was sad as a two sport athlete. You didn't know that,
but now two sport atflete. Donovan was twenty points a
game for me. That's my second money, that was my
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second leading score.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
So I can't say that you can't play because I
know football players be really good.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yeah, so I would listen. I would listen. I was
so good. I was so good. Obviously I could have
played for the Heat with Ronnie Cyclely like they were
trying to get me back then, but my grandma, my grandma, you.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Got any footage, you got any footage on VHS?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I got the tapes right here in the coupboard. Okay,
let me see the footage I got. I got you. Okay,
I'm a real hooping like I'm from New York.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I just think the thing now is one and I
get what you're saying. Oh till y'all get what y'all saying.
But the old saying is either to teach teach a
child than a broken man. And I think right now, no,
they stay right there.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I understand what he's saying. I understand what he was saying.
I got it. You want to rang down? You want
to write down?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, you want if you if you notice kids learned
to swim either than a grown person, because the kid
has no inhibitions of the water. They throw you see
him throw them babies in there, and the first thing
they do, they go on the back. They they hey,
you tell him one or two times one and they
get to the back.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Now you know that, y'all.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Notice the sports, you know, sometimes you can get with
that coach, right And I prayed with Tlaw and T.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Lou's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
And I just thought T Lou would probably be that
guy that can instill that confidence in.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Them to be a lot better. Now.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
I didn't say he have to go out and get
fifteen twenty points at night, but he has to. But
he you know, like you just say, can't have two points,
You're gonna play you as tenter. If you're gonna have
two points, let's do some of the stuff you used
to do. Get six, seven rebounds, high four or five
or steps. How I'm an impact on the game because
he's too all and for whatever reason, I don't know
if he's lost it, but I thought with T Lou
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being there and being under t Lou, then he would
be able to get that out of him. And then
when I seen him in the rotation, I was like, yes,
this is perfect for him because he's gonna get an
opportunity with a great coach that's gonna put him in
a great position to do the best. Like I like
the I'm like the the Clippers mindset, but Ben Simmons
at the center spot. Let's let's mix it up a
little bit and see if we can get Joker. But
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if it don't give you no, no, no, Offensively, guys, it's
no purpose in playing Ben Simmons. It's no fun because
jokers weakness, jokers weakness is defense. Well, Ben Simmons is
not a threat at that, So he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
He good and plus he's not playing well enough for
TLU to give him extended minutes. So in the amount of
minutes that he's playing, he's not gonna be able to
get you the points to rebounds and assists that he
would if he was playing a full game.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
What'sout. That's a great point. Listen.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Yeah, I know you're not a tape recorder, but I
needed to rewind that quote because I went to give
him a pen and pad, I ain't have it on me.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Some about a child, something about it was a good one.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
I need that because I got you know, I got
fifty eleven kids, and I need to be able to
use that in my next argument.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yeah, it's easier to teach a child that a repair
a broken man. Stop, stay right there. That's That's what
I'm talking about. Next time, next time they ask for
some money, next time, mother two child. I like that too,
and so that so that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
No matter how you slice it, Ben is broken when
it comes to the offensive end. Can he still slide
his feet? Yeah, he's still he's still six'. TEN i,
mean he ain't gonna.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Shrink looks. Good it's still in great. Shape, look look
look really.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Good he looks he looks really. Good but like you,
said he gets the ball here unless it's. Uncontested he
ain't even looking at the rem he's looking he's looking
to pass it. Off he's looking at a driving. Kick
he's looking to do something other than score for. Himself
and realize. That so the double team is always gonna
(47:57):
come from.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
Him put him around some put him around some folks
in the off. Seaton i'm telling you it. Happens no put.
It why, listen you put a ch off some pit
bulls in a. Cage at some point he becomes what
he's surrounded. By but if you know the small, dogs
what do they? Do they walk up to the big
dogs because they don't know they're. Small so you're telling,
me that's WHAT i need to, do that's what he
(48:18):
needs to. Do he needs to go and place himself
in that environment.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Because you, see As twan, said we're wanting something from
being more than he's wanting it for. Himself you SEE
i can't want that for. You you got to you
got to want. That you've got to want to be.
Great so you know, what, man he ain't no reason
for me to be sixteen and averages three points a.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Game he's supposed to be doing What katie's. Doing i'm
not saying he's kd kt is one of the greatest
scores of all. Time i'm just saying the skill, set
the height and, SIZE i mean the length that you do.
Have you, know and you a two way. Players you
can do.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
It you can do. Well you only show it on
the defensive side of the.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
Ball you play good, defense and you should be a you,
know taking people off down in the, block down in
the post mid.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Range confidence is gone, Though, man both of you guys
Are hall of.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
FAME i see you know. That when your confidence is,
gone man is. Gone you know you can't.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Do, nothing.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Man you know you know we play. That you, know
we play our games with. Confidence that's when we get
our Con he don't have. That you can just see.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
It you.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Have to you you have to play. It coaches can't
give you. That you have to have a self belief
That i'm the baddest more for out. Here, Yes and
at some point in time they broke his. Confidence they
broke his confidence because the best player, said, hey we
had a we had a dunk and we end up
making a free.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Throw.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Uh and you, know and they, asked, dog could you
win a championship with a point guard Like?
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Ben he, SAYS i don't.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Know instead of, saying of course you, can because the
guy's An all he's An All star, player and he's
An ALL nba.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Defender that's what he should have.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Said Joel ebidi, said, hey it's unfortunate a, Well, UH
i wish we could have got an add, One but don't.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Say, yeah we had a layup and we ended.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Up making a free throw because now the best player
and the head coach doubted. Me i've already had some
doubts seeping in because coaches like you feel, like, hey,
son shoot that shot you. DRAW i draw up a
play For twan BECAUSE i Know twine is confident in
his ability.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
And he gonna go out. There every TIME i draw.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Up a play for, him he's gonna somehow try to
find a way to break it down and pass it
to somebody.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Else, yeah you, know how do you let how do
you lest?
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Something like that bother. You how do you lest something
like that bother?
Speaker 5 (50:34):
You in order to be great people gonna always be
chirping sometimes sometimes the calling can be coming from inside
the house.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Sometime to be your own, PEOPLE i don't, care no.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
Disrespect Marvin, lewis if you were to, say you know, what,
Boy i'm sick of chat out there.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Celebrating i'm sick of.
Speaker 5 (50:50):
IT i ain't stopping, nothing because that's HOW i know
HOW i get in my, rhythm.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Right you KNOW i can agree with you on. That you.
Speaker 4 (50:57):
KNOW i used to nasce AFTER i shoot threes and.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Came up AND i, PLAYED i. Promised it was one
coach That Don.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
NELSON i got traded to the mass and he was
the only coach that tried to stop me from. Dancing,
yeah he was like, hey he was, like, WHAT i
don't want to see you, Dancing but it.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Was already in my. BLOOD i couldn't stop. It so
you know What i'm.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Saying but that's a great point you. MADE i understand
what you said. That, Yeah i'm gonna Do i'm gonna
do my.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Thing, yeah every every. Time at the, TIME i don't.
CARE i don't, care BUT i don't, care but no.
Speaker 5 (51:34):
Disrespect, obviously with all due respect To Ben simmons and
the game of basketball in, general there is nothing nobody can.
Say IF i was in that, environment with that kind of,
side with that kind of, hype with that kind of,
skill with my, mentality there's a certain effect that you can't.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Coach is either in you or is.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
Not kobe had, It Michael jordan got, it A i got,
It John aron got, It Anthony vers Got you.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Can't, coach that's it's just in. You AND i don't.
Understand how can you be like that and then play so.
Small i'm gonna make this last point and then we're
gonna move, up move on a little.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Bit. Guys if you think about, it, Yeah covid had,
confidence but think about what the coach did and a
game Against utah who took the last. Shot they put
the ball in cold seventeen year old's. Hands so NOW
i got. Confidence you might have, confidence but if somebody
don't give you a situation for you to, showcase, now
what what DO i do with?
Speaker 1 (52:31):
IT O?
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Joe he drew up a play and led a seventeen
year old with all those veterans on.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
There Kobe air bought, it but it showed.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Him, yeah they got confidence to know O. Cole now
he goes back into the gym and he comes back
a different.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Player, well you, knows some people don't get, it, man
some people just don't get. It damn. Man wait sixty, Eleven,
MAN i have a nigga in the.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Post see you got a good ball. Back that's a
Good wilson.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
Ball oh let me tell you. Something, hey this ball right, here,
right this is a special.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
Ball, this this ball me must Be i'm supposed to
have it inclosed in the case because, listen the, greatest
the greatest score not score of all, time but THE
nba player who leaves THE nba and most points ever,
scored gave me this. Ball as soon as it went
in the, bucket they hit, it they taped it. Up
he signed it for. Me this Is Lebron james fifty
(53:30):
k point, ball and he signed it for.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
YOU i just want to show you that.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
He put it in a cursive huh, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah jo was seen making adjustments and. Subs when the
player does, this is he Undermining David edelman because right,
before the right before to have the ball got within
the half or third quarter and he's, like, hey, hey give,
me give Me George DeAndre, jordan come in, here give,
me come in. Here block blah blah blah. Blah you
(54:08):
saw that.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Too oh, Yes.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
And he's been he's been making a lot of. Substitutions
you like, THAT i, mean what's going?
Speaker 4 (54:17):
ON i don't like it BECAUSE i, mean let me
be honest with, you not to go back into the,
past But Mike malone a you, know a championship coach
who done a terrific job, coach and that team got,
fired and it seems like it seems like the players
have sowed them. Out now now it seems like that's
what it. Was and because the jokers doing, THAT i mean,
jokers jokes are junkers at a place right.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
Now obviously.
Speaker 4 (54:40):
You know where he's controlled the franchise and the, obviously
like you're just talking, about he's probably gonna win another
m V p.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Trophy he's gonna be. Close he probably get ANOTHER mvp.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
Trophy SO i do understand a coach him having to say,
so but you still can't undermine the. Coach you have
to listen to the. Coach you gotta let the coach
make his. Adjustments that's his.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
Job. Uh you never, want as a player have the.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
RESPONSIBILITY i never want to be able to control who's
in the game who's not a. GAME i can always,
SUGGEST i can suggest, something BUT i don't want to
be doing, that especially over mind the.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Coach it it.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
Looks bad and then it trickles down to the other.
Players you know that on the, team some guys think
they can do. It you, know it's kind of you,
KNOW i go back to the simple rules that what
time you gotta be on the, bus what time you
gotta be you, know be up that. Practice it just
it just goes down the, line you know WHAT i.
Mean so you never want to start. That so it
just it's it seems LIKE i saw, that, like, yeah
(55:35):
this is probably Why malone probably got. Fired they probably
had a lot of extra stuff going, on you know
WHAT i. Mean but you know it's tough, jokes, jokes
probably gonna be three TIME. MVP i, mean this guy's,
yeah SO i don't think you're gonna win it this
year to, one but it's hard for me to see
a scenario where he doesn't win at least one more
(55:57):
because the numbers are gonna be.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
There the number then be. There he's gonna be somewhere
between twenty five and thirty. Points he's gonna be somewhere
between ten and thirteen, rebounds he's.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Gonna be somewhere between eight and a half and ten.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Assist so he's gonna be there for the numbers are
gonna be indicative of somebody that should be it should
more than qualified to win that.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Award the question.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
If he if he take care of his body the
way he has taken care of his body for the
next couple of, years he definitely will be in the
running for one. MORE i think all this all depending
on how he takes care of his. Body if he
take care of us behead of they entered. THREE i,
MEAN i know it all look, sexy but you, know
if he's stay, answered if he stayed injury free and
(56:38):
can and stay, healthy he'll be right.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Back you're, Right he'll be in and running for another.
One ahead of this.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Game edelman accuse The clipper of the pumping in fake
noise and into, it, Though is that a good?
Speaker 3 (56:49):
Look do you want your coaching like? Man that not?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Today it ain't that, Loud it ain't that many people
are that's fake. Noise you like you like your coach
doing that.
Speaker 4 (56:56):
One, NO i want the coach to believe that we can.
WIN i don't, want we don't need. Know, actually we
should believe that we can. Win let's put together a game,
plan let's go out there right and, really to be,
honest you don't really like. That you want your home
court to correct their own. THING i know in some football,
fields y'all know that some. Arrange some stadiums had their
own little chants and the.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
When they get motivated and all.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
THAT i was known back when we were trying to
turn it, around and In boston before they moved into
THE Tv, northwindon we had The Free.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Center we called it the jungle we had because because
it did get so.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
Loud because we were starting to turn it, around we
were starting to become a playoff, team we were starting
to win. Games so our home games were exciting because
we had kind of created our own energy, now me
And paul and we was kind of creating our own.
Style So i'm like when the fans kind of, like you,
know figured it. Out it's kind of like growing up In.
CHICAGO i remember growing up and Watching michael New, player
especially when they spreading they had their own The national
(57:49):
when they The remembers started, lineup they had that music
that come, out but that was, them that was their own.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Thing that was only in the, stadium you know WHAT i.
Mean AND i remember The stateum used to be.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
ROCKING i want to see them Played Orlando madic in
the stadium when they played The orlando And jordan.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Camp but, yeah used to be rocking before they moved
into The United.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
STATES i just, think you, know every arena gotta have
their own, stuff and you don't need no coaches getting to.
That you don't need no Help you ain't nobody piping nothing.
There and this ain't these this ain't college these. Problems
they ain't gonna get distracted too.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
Easy, Yeah but those.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
The new arenas don't have that that intimate feeld because you,
know you gotta have all this.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Technology you got all these jumbo trons.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
And you got all this all this fancy equipment and
stuff like, That so you don't have the intimacy like
you had at The Old. Garden you don't have the
intimacy like you have at The. Farm at The, farm
you don't have the intimacy like you had At, chicago
at The, Stadium Chicago. Stadium you don't have that like
you see The packers have at Lambeau, field or The
bears that sold your, field or The chiefs at a
(58:54):
at An.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
Arrowhead there's some.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Stadium even Hinest field is not the intimacy like they
had It Three, Rivers. Joe so when you don't have,
that it's hard to create. That.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
NOW i get.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
It why they do it because the cost of these
players are going, up and so we got to find
a way to create. Revenues and we want places to
have other events other than. Basketball so you see, concerts
and you see track the, pools and you See, beyondcey
and you see a you, know THE Ncaa final, fours
and you see international championship.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
Games SO i get. IT i get. IT i totally get.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
It but as a professional and plus professionally college, kids,
man you, know college kids don't paint their. Faces they're
gonna take their shirts, Off they're gonna really be into.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
It.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Man look, here, MAN i played twelve fifteen thousand dollars
for a. Ticket, Man i'm gonna sit there like be.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
Chilling you know What i'm. Saying you know What i'm,
Saying ty you, right that's.
Speaker 4 (59:51):
Right you're gonna enjoyed the best way you. Can BUT
i don't think you, KNOW i don't think that bothering.
Pros you guys know that the fans don't bother. Us,
man when you we a profession our, fleete can you
enjoy it that they actually kind of motivate. You sometimes
you get to them sudden places and they get on.
You you have you now have the fans get on. You
that motivations you to go out there and play. Well
SO i don't think that's gonna that bodies professional, athletes
(01:00:14):
SO i don't think they need.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
That you can leave that. Along guys are too mentally
strong for. That these, days to, me the volume
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