August 1, 2025 • 47 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the wildest NFL headlines of the week! The duo dives into the latest on Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons contract drame and Trey Hendrickson returning to the Bengals without a new contract. Unc and Ocho break down the drama, front office tension, and what these stories mean for the upcoming NFL season.
0:00 - Trey Hendrickson report to camp
7:58 - Jerry Jones on star contracts
19:16 - Terry McClaurin contract talks stalled
30:55 - Tua, Tyreek relationship
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Parting the Bengals camp and told reporters things are exactly
the same with contract talks. What I'm not going to
do is be a distraction. Excuse me, Trey isn't practicing,
but it's back strictly to eliminate the fifty thousand dollars
daily fine Trey was seeing coaching Shamar or Shamar. Stewart also, O, Yo,
(00:23):
are you feeling optimistic?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, it absolutely, I'm not feeling optimistic. You got to
understand Trey Henderson only came back simply so.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
He doesn't have to pay the fines.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yep, he's not there.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
He got there, you know, on on on on on
good notice. He's there because you don't you don't want
to pay the fines, and then said, well, we're still
in a standstill. There's been no forward progress, and that's
getting a deal done I'm assuming must be far off.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The only reason he's there is because I don't want
to accumulate a certain amount of fines.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Fifty thousand of a day.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They can't resind, they gotta take it.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
They gotta get be that too.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
One thing about it, and one thing I know about
the Brown family. What you're not gonna do is You're
not gonna bully Mike Brown. You're not gonna bully Mike Brown.
It's not happening. If if it is, If his feet
are cemented and he said, this is what we can
do and this is what we can pay, that's what
it's gonna be. That's what it's gonna be, you know.
(01:26):
And I'm hoping. I'm hoping because defensively, we need all
hands on deck.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We need all the help he can get.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Fray Henderson had a hell of a year last year
and the year before. I would love for him to
be compensated as such. I hope, I hope at some
point they come to an agreement and the number that
makes sense for both.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
But as of right now, it ain't happening.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Man, I'm looking at yo, mean, Joe, huh Yeah, y'all
gonna need him about Listen.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Our defense was twenty six, twenty seventh ranked or something
something like that in the NFL last year, twenty fifth,
and we had it so hell even with the improvements,
even with the improvements at the middle of excuse me,
at the middle lineback of position, and getting Shamar Stewart
and the other offseason acquisitions we need everybody we can
get to make sure we don't look like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Hey, hey Joe, we don't need to be top five
defense in the NFL. We just need you to be
somewhere in the middle of the pack and stop somebody.
If we score thirty points.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That man had seventeen a half sacks and y'all finished
where y'all finished. So take away them seventeen a half
sacks where you'll think y'all gon finish.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Hey, don't talk, don't talk about my team.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm just I'm just see because oh, y'all, it's not
like it's not like y'all got like y'all just like loaded.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
With talent like the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Right, So a one piece goes out, you're like, okay, cool,
we're good.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You know, they lost two key pieces, but.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
They still got you know, still got car and they
still got David, they still got bron They got the
corners and things like that they got.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
They're good.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
They they they locked right, Rob, y'all really got one
player that people worry about on defense.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's him. Yeah, it's him, and with they didn't spend
all that money on offense.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, I mean, listen, that's that's our identity. That's our identity, Joe.
One of the few teams. You can't let you.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You can't let your big fail, you can't let your
d n go. Oh Joe, come on now.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Hey, hey Joe, this is a business, Joe. It's a business, Joe.
You know, all of all the money. I think we're
twenty nine men under the cap.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Don't quote me. I might be wrong. I think we're
somewhere around there.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So I think they can get to a number that's decent,
that makes you know, the owners feel comfortable, that can
make trade feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But hell, if if it was ship, I would assume
it'd have been done by that. Hell, we have six
months and season, end of the last.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, they might as well. Don't trade it, man, I
don't trade him, Joe. That's what they should do.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But but what you're saying, that's that's a pride for
that's a prideful man.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You don't play. He don't play on boy.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
They don't. They don't.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
They don't let you back him into a corner. They
don't let you bully him.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Hey, Joe, I was in my prime, Joe, you know,
and I was I was upset, you know, the uh
just something media blaming me for us losing. I'm like, well, hell,
how you how you all blaming me for for for
us losing.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'm doing everything I was supposed to do. I'm like,
you know, you know, and I was like, man, but
let me get up out of here then, man, please, boy,
who's the former owner of the Redskins. I'm I'm sorry the.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Commander Dance, not Dan Snyder.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And Dan Snyder offered Mike brown two first round picks.
Joe min I'm in my prime, Joe about about prime
mouthful of yeah, yeah, boy, yeah, Mike, Mike Browne said,
and he ain't going to wear you whether you're mad
or not. But I came back that that that that
(05:04):
following season. But had by five hundred sixty yards that season, Joe, It.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Wasn't nothing wrong with me. I went from a thirteen
to fourteen hundred yard season the all of a sudden
five hundred out the blue and I'm healthy.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Man, Listen what they want. They weren't throwing your way,
bro Oh they get you. That that that fix it
up for you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's that that let me know, Okay, I see I see,
I see who run the show.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You know what let me play the game the right way.
That's all. That's all I need to see.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Joe, I went from a thirteen hundred yard season and
the next season after being the scruntle.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
All of a sudden, I only got five hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Man, they ain't heard a peep from me after that.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, yeah, hey, y'all better y'all, but y'all better get
your hair, hey, Steven Steelers and Steves got a solid defense.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Solid they more than sold on paper. Wait a minute,
on paper outside of te who's proven.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But you got other pieces that have come from other
places that they got.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Hot Smith, they got he breaking effect, that's his name.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
They got.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
They got They did Cam Hayward.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh yeah yeah, stealing rented, Yeah yeah he was. He
was ball and I think he kind of dig. But
the other guy, uh, he might be fifty one. But
they got some pieces over there, and they what they do.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
They gave t J. Watt the money they got.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And you mean to tell me, y'all not even close
to the Steelers level of talent, and y'all best player
on defense, y'all don't want to pay him.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
You should have told him you do something you shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You should not have told him that you're gon, we're
gonna take care of it, because the man went out
there led the league in sacks. Oh Joe, he's all pro,
and so he has an expectation like, okay, y'all gon,
y'all say, y'all gonna take care of you. Okay, here
is I'm take care of me. Well this is what
we could do. Nah Nah, they ain't taking care of me.
That's taking care of y'all. Make the money right.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Day. But then the bigels just started paying people like.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Three years ago, where they paid Joe Burrow for the
longer time, they got Boomer sizes sing out of that
because they don't want to pay Boom.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
They don't pay nobody on Joe.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know that first hand. You've been on.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
They don't opened up the water man. They just started
opening that water up now.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Joe Burrow and and and and and and uh uh chase.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
They played they played a couple of offensive blamenick uh
uh o brow Obi they paid him. But then, like
I said, they just started that recently. Big has been cheap.
Everybody know the Binger cheap. Jared Jones says, just can't
help himself today he said. Last year's chance for CD
Lamb's contract extension was much louder than yesterday's chance for Michaeh.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Jerry said, Man, that.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Was a little faint noise compared to the way they
will hollering. Last year paid Lamb. Whoever's not in You
could count it a few holler at that, but it
was big and loud last year chance for Lamb.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know. I don't know. Listen. I told you
what I think Jerry's doing. I told you what I
think he's doing.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
He's purpose every time he's not pranking us, but every
time it's time for a player to get paid, even though.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
He has to pay them top dollar.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I think he purposely wasted to the last to the
last minute for a reason. He's doing on purpose, so
the atension can always be on the Cowboys, so the
tension can always be on be on him. Let's say,
what if he did pay Michael Parsons already? What would
be the conversation, What would be the conversation right now?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Oh, dak are you? Are you what you're gonna do
with Dkit?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
What do you mean that that that is scheduled to
make what sixty sixty one sixty two something like that.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Billion dollars. Hey, is it gonna extend him?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Extend him? He just signed it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Man, he got two years. He got a little love
of year left on that already. Yeah, that that that
do exact? Hey, that's what I say, Oh Joe, Hey,
that's what I say. These years go by fast.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
You look up.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I mean, hey, I just remember celebrating the fiftieth birthday.
Now I'm close to the sixty that I am fifty.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
And that's the thing. You look up, man, Man, this
time ain't waiting on nobody with you.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Oh it ain't one thing, and one thing is it
would never do it will never. It would never. He
say that. You remember that quote you said about why
you wear a watch? Remember that quote.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I got to reach out.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I ain't got my pad. I will watch why?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Hey hey, how value my time is not to tell time? Yeah?
That guy after this year, that can have two years left?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Okay, Okay, damn that that that killing him? Boy, that
killing him. They one hell of.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
A team off eighty million dollars signing bonus two hundred
and thirty one million and guaranteed money.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
That's what he got.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
That what that guy?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Go ahead brother, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Mad at him at all. I mean, you know how
much a man got to pay? How much a man
got to be worth to pay you? Two hundred and
thirty and guarantee it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm on now, come on now, hey to.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
The man, the man they got one hundred million dollar home,
how much money do you think he actually got?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
If you can afford one hundred million dollar home, you
know what, I give you one better? How about the
man that had a three hundred and sixty million.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Dollar a yacht?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Cause that's a crew. You got to have a crew
probably thirty thirty to fifty people.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And don't get me started, man, there's a whole different
We think athletes are rich, well, hell, what do you
think for people that's paying them?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
On?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
No, they rich and wealthy, they're wealthy. Different between wealth
rich and wealthy because the wealthy, the wealthy people pay
the rich people's salary.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
That's how that work. That's how that work.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Matter of fact.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, And you know
there's a there's another level above the wealthy people.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
The author the ultra.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Come on now, yah, see when you start when you
start getting all jo when you start getting when you
start getting to that twenty thirty for first of all,
you start getting twenty thirty billion, that's it. Now you
get the fifty to seventy five, and then you get
these guys that got one hundred, and then they go
from one to one fifty, one fifty, the two hundred,
(12:02):
two hundred to two fifty. Now you're getting that Elon
Musk that's in a class by himself that he's three
hundred billion. And then you know, you got Larry Ellison,
and you got Mark Zuckerberg, and you got you know,
Jeff Bezos. You got those guys the two hundreds. But
but oh Joe, it's kind of like once you get
like to a certain number, it's like hot you your
(12:24):
body don't know the difference between two hundred degrees and
three hundred degrees.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, Once you get fifty billion, you get fifty back.
What can't you buy with fifty billion that you need
to seventy five billion for? It's not as you saying
I want to have it, which I get. I ain't
got no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And it's it's so funny when it comes to billionaires,
the toys that they like to buy are completely different
than what the million is like to buy.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Well, yeah, oh yeah, they look, they get let me.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
They dropping, they drop, they dropping eight they dropping one
hundred million to a millionaire artwork. You know what I'm saying.
They got a painting, you know, Picasso or they God
went raw. You know, they they spend him. They spend
money Michelangelo. They spending money on Pasto. They spending money
like that O Joe.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And they got a home over here. They got a
home over there, and you know, they got a helicopter,
they got a jed. You know, they take you know,
they got a place over here that they'll take the
you know, take the yacht too and get up.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Hey man, it's a different world out there.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But but but so Jay, you heard them, So it
doesn't matter how loud the chance were. You heard them
say pay Michael as he would say, pay Michael.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
One thing one thing Jerry gonna do is he gonna
do things his way, for sure. He gonna do things
his way and on his time. I do like the
fact that Mike is missing all these valuable days. He's
not he's not going through the I call it putting
the callus, creating a alice on the body to get
ready to play football in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
He's gonna cut.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Knowing Michael as explosive as he is, he gonna go
from zero to sixty just like that.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yep, no like that.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Look, this is Jerry. Jerry gonna be Jerry. He's gonna
do like you said, He's gonna do things on his timeline.
He already knows he has to pay Michael. Michael Parsons
don't fall off trees. You got one, and you get
an opportunity to have him for the next You know,
you got him here. I mean, Michael's twenty six, so
this is his fifth year, so you get it to
(14:38):
have him for another five to eight years at bare minimum,
and you know you're gonna have to pay him. And
guess what, this is not the other that's not the
only contract that you're gonna get it. You're gonna guess what,
You're gonna probably have to extend him another time, just
like Miles Garrett got extended and he got extended again.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Watt got extended and he got extended again. So guess what,
You're gonna probably have to give him two extensions. Yeah,
and uh, Michael Parkson is probably by the time he's
uh thirty two thirty three is gonna probably be worth Yep,
doesnet signed contracts over three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
That's just that's the NFL that we live in now, oyo.
That's that's where it's at.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And he.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Would have earned every time.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, people don't listen. Somebody in the chat Michael Bennett
training camp. Ohoe, what you're talking about is Michael Parson practice?
Had he touched the field?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
What he holding in?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah? He' holding in? How we like, what are we
talking about?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Man?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just said he's gonna have to go from zero
to sixty when he signs. He's holding in so he
doesn't get fine.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, that's fifty thousand a day.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It is fifty thousand to day. Huh yeah, yeah, h
thank god leading common sense.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Uh he's uh, he's uh, he's been a limited participant
because he's citing back tightness.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Back what his back? His back tight?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well people funny man, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't blame you. I don't blame you. Like I said,
fifty thousand a day, you're gonna be in training camp.
I mean you're gonna be in training camp at bare
Midland twenty day. That's a meal.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, ain't no, ain't no, ain't no point of playing
like that.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I mean they can't forget. They can't forgive that money either.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
They can't like it used to. But guess what, Since
you can't forgive it, guess what, go ahead and put
it in my contract.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I don't know, whatever, what, whatever I would have lost,
whatever I lost by not showing up, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Need that in the contract. Yes, matter of fact, matter
of fact.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Put it in.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Like dollar Bill told, like a Saint Louis told, dollar Bill,
do something to make me feel better.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
That that what he told? Brooklyn?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
What was it?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
What was the dude name? Brooklyn?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What the other dude name? When you when you put
that he put the cigarette out of what you call him?
Nose man, you've a little bad He say, hey, do
something to make me feel better? Hey, uh yeah, I look,
they're gonna get it done. I just hate you know, Michael.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Michael.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Michael's like, well, hold on, y'all, keep on telling me,
y'all gonna get it done. Until that thing hit my
bank account. I don't believe it's gonna get done.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
But listen, I mean, Jerry is Jerry is being Jerry.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
He's done this to everybody, so the timetable, I'm not
sure when it's gonna be me. If I was the player,
I would have asked Jared I went, I would have
went to him quietly, I say, listen, I understand you
have a way of doing things. I'm not here to
bully you and tell you how to run your business.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
But I need to be on the field.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I need to be practicing, especially when it comes to
training camp. I want to be as far ahead of
the curve as that can be going into the preseason
because I'm not gonna get that many snaps getting acclimated
to the speed of the goddamn game. Please, sir, thank
you kindy, and close the door.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And walk out.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well remember what he said about CD. What CD gonna
get out of being in practice, being in training camp,
being all that? Man?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Please?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, Axual, you know what CD A miss a goddamn beat.
He't miss a beat. Last year he miss a beat.
Dak went out, he still was very productive.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
No, I think they ended up, didn't I think they
ended up shutting CD down too.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Well towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, but what Chefter says, Terry McLaurin is seeking a
contract greater than that of DK Metcalf, the one that
he received from the Steelers. Here's what Adam Schefter had
to say. I would say DK was in the same
draft class as Terry McLaurin. He got about thirty three
million per year. I wouldn't think that Terry is willing
to take less than that. I think he wants considerably
(19:37):
more than that. Washington, They're not there right now. They
loved the value Terry McLaurin, but they loved the value
in him at a different price. McLaurin is in in
the final year of his current contract, which you do
to make a base salary of fifteen point five million
and carry a cap hit of twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You just said they value McLaurin and what he brings
it a team, but at that price. Well, they got
to find a happy medium. They got to have a
happy medium, because all you got to do is pull
up the numbers. I don't have the numbers in front
of me. I'm not sure what DK metcalf has done
the past three four years. I'm not sure, what well,
(20:23):
I know Terry McLaurin. He said, one thousand yards every year,
every season.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But oh, Joe, how many time you heard somebody say
I like it, but I don't like it at that price?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
All the time. That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Hey, they like Terry, they don't like Terry at that price.
Because he said a chefter. If what chef is saying
is true, he wants to be north of thirty three thirty.
So now that CD CD's at thirty four, Jenna is
at thirty five. Now Chase poll vauked everybody and put
it at forty. So look and he's looking at it.
(20:58):
Hold on, I'm saying his contract to you.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Turn on the f and film.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
That uh, that's all I need to see.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Turn on the film.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And I wish.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I wish Jayden Daniels had the kind of leveraging power,
which I think he does, but as a rookie, I
don't think he wants to.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Push that button.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Joe Burrow went upstairs and Mike Brown say, boss man,
we need to get you know, and we need to
get five done. We need to I don't know how
you're gonna do it or what you need to do.
I'm not sure what the book.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, you got to get some years on the kind
you don't have that kind of yeah, that's that's a
Joe Burrow Josh Allen. Oh boy right, I think, but
I wish, but he will, he will have that kind
of he will, he will will we will that kind
of hammer.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I think Jaydon Damas understands importance of having his number
one target for sure. I think the team, the owners,
they all understand that. You know, we talked about we
talk about numbers. Find a number that's good, that's not insulting.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You're not asking to me the highest paid. He said,
Put me in a put me in the ballpark and
where I belong, and let me know you value me.
That's all.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Well, I mean well.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Chef Schefter reported that he wanted to be valued more
than what Minnesota valued Jedda.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
More than see that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
You want more than Jetta.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I hear the thing. If DK is at.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Thirty three, the next is thirty four CD, the next
is thirty five Jeta.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So if he don't work thirty three, what he won't.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Oh fifteen to thirty three is is I mean, that's
a big jump, a huge jump.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I'm thinking like you.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Said, is he trying to reset the mark, not reset
the market? But he's second high second second change.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I don't, I don't. I don't know what he trying
to do. I'm just saying what Sheefter said. Chefter says, uh,
they were in the same draft class. I think Terry
McLaurin and DK were in the same draft class. DK
got thirty three. I wouldn't think that Terry is willing
to take less than that. I think he wants considerably
more than that. So you're talking about thirty six, thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Ooh, hey, that's gonna be tough. I hey, listen, don't
get me here. Line, Hey, that's gonna that's gonna be tough.
That's gonna be tough. I understand it.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You listen, you gotta fight for what you gotta fight
for what you want because you only get what you want. Hey, listen,
You're only.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Gonna have this kind of leverage one time.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, one time.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
So you got to get it right. Yeah, you gotta
get it right.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So the question is, like you said, we don't. I mean, look,
I don't know what he's asking for. Chefter may ay,
maybe Chefter talked to his agent.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't know and listen. Chefter likes shams and uh
wo shams and wolves. He ain't wrong. It's coming from somewhere.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, it absolutely is. But like I said, I like it,
I don't like it at that price. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Hey, Hey, oh Joe, how muight like chrome heart jeans?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I don't like him at that price.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I love scary Terry Man. I hope we get what
he deserves.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But you got to be you got to be willing
to fight bright, especially what you're asking for. If if
what Adam Schefter is reporting is correct, you got to
be willing to fight. You're gonna have to hold your
ground because one thing they.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Will use against you. You got that C on your chest.
You know they will choose your love for the game
and use it against you.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I know firsthand. Hey, I know first hand that it
goes O Joe.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
We're gonna we're gonna stall him out. He's gonna fold
at some point.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah. Love, he loved the game, he loved being he
loved being around the team. He love the guys.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You know, the Timeitans have officially released trailing Burkes, So
let's revisit the Night the twenty twenty two trade. The
Titans traded A. J. Brown for the draft rights the
Trailing Burkes, Roger McCreary, Nicholas petite Free and Kyle Phillips.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Man.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I saw them.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I don't I don't know. I don't know what the
Tennessee was thinking. I still don't know. So, Okay, you
saved money. You didn't want to pay. You didn't want
to make you didn't want to pay A. J. Brown
what he would what the value what he had earned? Okay,
you saved money.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
What had it gotten you?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
They thought Trailing Burk's was answered.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They did because they say, he's the same type of
guy you look at. He's big, he's physical.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
If y'all watched him and y'all watched A J. Brown,
they not, they're not the same, they not. But sometimes
you get you get caught up and you get mad
at somebody and you convince yourself somebody is better. They
got mad at aj because he wanted what was rightfully
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he felt he had earned, and they're like, nah, we're
gonna trade you. You should have paid him just for
dabinitely deal with the quarterbacks that y'all had. Now, what
you should have paid him just on that alone.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, listen, you know year three, Frendon Burghs is going
into a third year this year. Yeah, year three is
normally the year that lets people know and should make
it a breaking year.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Maybe maybe this might have been the year he figures
it out.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Well, he had broken collar bone, so he was gonna
be out for like six eight weeks.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, that's that's that's messed up.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh, the business is dirty, by the business is dirty,
especially when the small sum side of what you've been
able to show us so far, it's not enough for
us to keep you around to allow that colup on
the heel. No, absolutely not his players like that that
I wish, I wish I had the opportunity to work
with in the off season.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh shoe, he had fifty nine catches, six hundred and
ninety nine yards and one.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Touchdown for a career.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But that's the career.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yep, three seasons you show, that's right. Yeah, that's what
he saying. He had three fifty he had had played
three seasons. He had fifty three catches, six hundred and
ninety nine yards two touchdowns in the CNFL career. Oh,
(27:47):
in twenty twenty two, he played eleven games, he had
thirty three receptions for four hundred and forty four yards,
and twenty twenty three he played eleven games he had
twenty receptions, he had two hundred and fifty five yards,
and twenty twenty four he played five games, zero receptions,
zero yards.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Okay, he must have been he must have been hurt
and then just broke his collar on. Yeah, damn, it's tough.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, I think it's fair to say the Eagles won
that trade.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, you know, I hope he was.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Probably like, hey, y'all got any other player y'all want
to get rid of over there?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, I hope. I hope you get another opportunity when
when he gets.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I think he a first round pick, so he'll
get another opportunity. But I wonder what it's forty time?
What do you running forty en?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He's the first round pick, helly got he had to
run fast. He ain't run slow because if he ran slow,
listen his career four five, five, Yeah, hell shout. I
ran for five, but I played I played for three.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
There's a difference. The game ain't played in a straight line.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Mm hmm. And he looked.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
They keep see they thought he was gonna be a
J Brown. AJ Brown is a different type of receiver.
H Aj was ran he ran four fort nine.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Hey, but they play so much faster than that forty
times man.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Yeah, six one six, Oh man, Oh brave, big bro,
Yeah damn to twenty six.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
You can't look at him and tell you I mean he.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Bout my size. Jesus, Yeah you can.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, he's he's a he's a he's a physical receiver.
He after the catch. Now he catched the deep ball,
but he wants the ball in his hands. Nobody wants
he want to ball in his hand. Okay, tackle me? Yeah,
you faster than me? Okay, let me see how many
time you want to tackle me though? Okay, yeah, okay,
you're right, I can't run.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yes, yes, yes, all right, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
But I guarantee you after the four time, you ain't
gonn want to tackle me two times, don't gonna steal
from you the second, the third time, I'll put my
helmet in your in your I'm gonna hit my helmet
right in your chest.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You see what Marshawn Lynn say. Yeah, hit hit you
in your face, over and over and over.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
H Tua look to rebuild a relationship with Tyreek Hill
after the Week eighteen outbursts.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Take a listen to what Tua had to say.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
You guys aren't the only people that heard that.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
You know a lot of people that follow football, that
follow the Miami Dolphins, that follow Tyreek, that are fans
of his.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Everyone has seen that.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
So when you say something like that, it's you don't
just come back from that with Hey, my bad, No,
you got you gotta work that that relationship up. You
got to build everything up again. And yeah that it's
still a work in progress, not just for me but
for everybody. But now, like I said, he's he's working
(31:39):
on himself. He's working on the things that he say.
You know, he says he wants to get better with
and do better on. So that's the first step to me,
And so I commend.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Him for doing that, not one I told, yeah, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Can you refresh the people that are that are watching,
the people that are listening. What do you referring to though?
Because he said something, but the people might need context
if they don't remember what Tyreek said at the end
of the season.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Well, I can't give you ver Beta, but I think
he said something that he might be looking to get
out of here because he liked winning, and you know,
he got to do what's in the best interest for him.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Uh, things of that nature. He said, A lot of
stuff he did.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But I think also I love what I love what
tooas said obviously publicly, Too is going to have his
receiver's back, but also hold his receiver accountable, and he
should everything he said. Also for me as as a
football player or former player, understanding the frustrations that the
receiver would have, who've had a down seaton for the
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first time, who's not used to having a lackluster season
like that. The frustrations build up, the inconsistency. All right,
I'm not used to this. So what's the first thing
you do? You vent about not actually wanting to be
in that situation anymore and seeing that whatever meant that
Tyrek was trying to do, and trying to maybe find
a way to get out to Miami and find some
world scope, maybe back to Kansas City or wherever it
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may be, it didn't work out that way.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Sweat through the now. I can't take what I said back.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
All I can do is work on myself, apologize to
my teammates, apologize to my quarterback and my coaches. And
it's one way to make them forget about everything is
do what you do best catching touchdowns. That's catching passes
and working your ass off. And that's three things that
he already does, which is why he's one of the
best at what he does now in the game.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Sometimes when you're angry or yo, yeah, and I get it,
and I hate that, I really do. I hate when
guys get angry and they don't speak to the media. Yeah,
because when you score fifty, there's never a time when
somebody dropped fifty the NBA, they didn't speak to the media.
There's never a time when somebody had one hundred and
fifty two hundred two three touchdowns they didn't speak to
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the media. But the moment you get a little frustrated,
you don't want to speak to the media. But that's
in certain situations. If it's a situation where you so
upset and the words that come out of your mouth
might do irreparable harm, go ahead and chalking them.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Say hey, I can't speak right.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Now, but what did what did you What's what's you're saying?
When emotions are high.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Logic is logic is low. And that's why I said,
you know what, and I get up. I don't I
want you to good, batter and different because you make
the same money. It ain't like so you know why
I had a bad game. O yo, so Ohoe had
a bad game. Oh Cho only had four for fifty yards. Well,
o Jo, we're gonna give you four for fifty yards money.
(34:35):
O Cho had ten for two sixty Okay, now, oh Joe,
we're gonna give you ten for two sixty money. You
make the same either way, right, But we are human. Yeah,
there were there were times. Man, I spoke to the
media after the game. I'm seething because I know we
had some guys that didn't play like they were supposed to.
And sometimes I was one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Oh same, same listen, I can remember my games where
I played bad. I'm about vividly, yes, Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Tell the media, I gotta do better.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
John's job is to throw it. My job is to
catch it. Well, if he's throwing it, I ain't catch it.
I ain't doing my job. So I'm letting him and
the team down. I like the fact that to have
acknowledge what he said, because a lot of times a man,
we know how guys are so far the song that's
(35:28):
our brother.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
He didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
That lets me know that what he said not only
bothered him, but it bothered other people in the room.
And they had a conversation with Tom. They've talked to
Tyrek about this. Yeah, absolutely, they talked to Tyrek about this.
And I like that old Joe because you know, sometimes,
oh Joe, they try to gloss it over. Man, you
know it ain't that big of a deal. Oh, absolutely
bad please.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, And there's only one person that can get away
with saying that, and that was the quarterback. That's the
only one that's the only person because it all falls
back on quarterback not being there. Okay, my numbers on
what they used to be and anything that Tyreek says
at the end of the season. Who they gonna point
the finger at quack quarterback?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, and so but Tyrek, Tyreek knows what he has
to do.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I looked at Tyreek's body this year compared to what
it was last year. He looked ten fifteen pounds lighter.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I told you, I told you what it looked like.
The god damn workout, Uh, why that work out? Oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Look, look the thing about Joe, he's already so explosive.
Even if he leaves a step, he's still faster than
anybody else else.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Hey, completely, it is crazy. And you know what, the
fact he didn't lose the step because he just ran
a goddamn ten to one last month, what do we what?
And he's not even training to run track? How you
you're not even track training and you ran a ten one.
Imagine if he was in track shape or had track
technique or got track coaching, that that ten one dropped
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down on nine eight nine nine.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, he might definitely get this. He probably get the
ten easy, easy, Come.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
On, man, he's gonna be. He gonna be alright, though.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
He's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
But he just like, look, you gotta realize where he
came from. See, they never had these problems in Kansas City.
So tyree K used to this. Tyreek used to be
my homeboy being there, and so he used to like knowing. Okay, now, granted,
now his first couple of years in Miami, he's number one,
he's gonna get all the balls, blah blah blah. Now
(37:33):
and in Kansas City, you know, he had to split
that with Kelsey, maybe Sammy Watkins or maybe someone else,
but he knew he's gonna get X and he knew
Mahomes was going to be there.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Right, It's hard no matter how great you are.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Look, only DeAndre Hopkins can just go through quarterbacks and
still put up Pro Bowl, All Pro numbers.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
And you know who else did it? God damn Andre Johnson.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, he had a quarterback carrous Hill as well, and
for some reproduction didn't even matter regardless who's got that
throwing it.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'm happy, uh that he said Tyreek is working, But
like you said, it takes time. And see o Joe,
he could have lied, oh yeah, we're gonna move past
that and moved on and said nah no uh uh
uh uh a dope.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
We gonna make everybody figured about this week one. Mm hmm,
guarantee you because you know, I know, I know what
Mike mcdame's gonna do. I know what he's gonna, I
know what he's gonna call coming the game Week one.
They died ten.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
But see that's where that's where you need leadership. Yeah,
because look at the situation that we dealt with in Baltimore,
in two thousand, the offense with five weeks and we
didn't score a touchdowns down. It could have it could
have split us at the scene. And the thing that
really helped me Ray Woody. Two guys on defense, one
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guy on offense. We were really close. We did everything together.
On the road, was in each other's room, laughing, talking.
We went out, we always we always went out together.
We went to get something eat, we did that together.
And I just remember telling them, I said, you guys, y'all, y'all,
y'all are doing unbelievable. Y'all having a great season, historically
(39:28):
great season. I said, But the thing I loved about
football is they don't take great units to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
They take teams.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yes, So I don't care. I don't care what y'all
do if we don't start doing our part right. But
when we start doing our part, don't you guys let down.
We'll get what we have to get fixed. Y'all just stayed,
of course, and me being able to relay that to Woody,
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to be able to relay that to Rod, excuse me,
to rate and to let them know that hey, and
then you know, to tell Brian bro I ain't tell anything.
You don't know, but it ain't getting done.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
When when I think about that twenty teen y'all had. Yeah,
that defense was so good. It was so good. Y'all
didn't have to be as great as they did.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
All, you know, to be an unfair, the had to
have been unfair.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
All y'all had to do.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Just meet him halfway, Just meet him halfway. Give us,
give us ten points. We'll take your arrest.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Hey, if we got if we gotta, if we got
a ten enough to lead, oh, it was over for
you unless unless we fumbled and you got a scooping score.
You got to pick six. With Marvin Lewis, we started
playing and Marvin would say, Shay, give us ten.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yeah, I say ten. What we ain't aboudy to get honested?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
What Marvin said? I remember we playing. We started playing,
Marvin say he give us ten.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
We got to the.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Playoffs, Marvin say give us seven. I say, Marvin, do
you realize what you saying? I said, Marvin, these teams
in the playoffs, He said, should give us seven and
give it to us early we played the Raiders, uh uh,
and that we had a great deal. So Marvin was
the DC. Jack Dale Rial was the linebackers coach. Rex
(41:31):
Ryan was the d line coach. I think, uh, who
is the who is our DV coach? I forget his name,
but he ended up going to be DC somewhere. But
we were loaded. Were playing the Raiders in the championship game.
They said, give us seven, it's over. She'll say, Shay,
(41:54):
y'all give us seven early at the half it's over,
say Ray, they number they like the number one scoring
team in football. What you mean give him?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Skip us?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Say shake, give us seven at the half. I said, well,
I'm good for Severn. You don't be big play shake,
oh big play shape, good for Severn.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
I got that.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Hey, I got that touchdown. I came to the sideline
like smoking Mama told him make it work. Yeah, this
ain't nothing. Smokers ain't enough. It ain't enough.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
She's ain't making enough.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Hey, was it running back in the Napoleon coffin back then?
Speaker 5 (42:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (42:32):
It was Charlie Gardner.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Okay, I forgot about Charlie. I've got it.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie Garner. Nap Uh, I don't think. I
don't think that nappy was there then.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
He was nice.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
He was nice too, he had speed. Now you let
him get outside. Now you're gonna cause some problems for you. Yeah,
he hit us with about two hundred one one year
at the Broncos. But I think that's the biggest thing. S.
I think that's where veteran presence comes in, especially guys
that are that's not really concerned about numbers or or
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you're trying to win at a certain point in time.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Bro, what.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Man, I don't care how much money you make. Man,
when you lose it, it sucks.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
You man, you hate I'm like, damn, it's bad. You
ain't Joe and people people in chat You're not thinking
about a check. You're like, Man, I'm not hearing this
hot heat. I'm out hearing this cold. I'm out here,
you know, with my body's aching. I'm hurting and we losing.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Hey, hold on, now, you got to think about this. Now,
I was in Cincinnati eleven years, but ten you know
how many winning scenes.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
That had in Cincinnati?
Speaker 4 (43:50):
How many.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Maybe maybe what two one oh? Lord As might be
able to be able to check me on that. But
there's a reason I chose to have so much fun.
There's a reason. How do I block out the losing part.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Hey, make sure I'm doing everything I can true, that's
all I can do.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I know that two thousand and five season that was
a winning season we had, might have had it, might
have might have had two winning seasons maybe in your
career or in Cincinnati, Cincinnati, Cincinnati is my career.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
What you mean you played in New England? You got
a year out there?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I don't count.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Man, that's on your resume. And guess what if you
go to the Hall, they're gonna put that on your plan.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
No, I ain't going to the Hall. I put my
own jacket on.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
That's okay. But if you were to, they're gonna put
it and everybody. I guarantee you go to Wikipedia and
see if they got New England in there. Go to
pull up, pull up a chat, pull up oh cho
Wikipedia and see if they mentioned anything about New England.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
They will. I bet it, I bet they do.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
I don't even know that. I don't know to get
on Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Don't worry about it. I fig to get on that
for you. I better get on that for you. Oh
you might need to have him to take that spouse
thing off there, but that's not a here nor there,
right Now.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
What is it saying?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I ain't said that, but I'm saying, oh uh, he
played foot college at Santa Monica Co Sars.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
That's me. That's me, August State, that's me.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Augus State Beavers.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
And he played for Cincinnati Bengals and the New England
Patriots during his tenure playing in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Hold on, what about they ain't putting I played in
Montreal too.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
No, they didn't put that up there.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
But I played in Mexico too. They ain't put that.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Oh they did.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
They said he Cincinnati Bingings from two thousand and one
to twenty ten. The Patriots twenty eleven, they got an
asterisk by uh Miami, but Madre Allen West in twenty
fourteen and they're moder rate in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
See see, you know what, I have the greatest career
of any any NFL player ever because I played in
the States, I played in Canada, and I played in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Who else could say that? Yeah? Yeah, what are we
talking about?
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Different?
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Different member of He was a member of the Bengals
forty anniversary and fiftieth anniversary teams.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
That's b.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Le's see.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Hey, I was good because you know, how good you
gotta you know, how good you gotta be to play
in the States. You can play in the NFL, play
in Canada and Canada. Listen, Oh I told you about
my experience in Canada.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Ain't no way in hell.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Some of them fellas should be doying in Canada. What
I think people look at the pay or the difference
in think, Oh Canada, sweet.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Man man, what was the hey, Cam Lake who didn't
have a Miami had a guy that came out of
camera camera.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, that's just that's just one of there.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
There are a few examples of people move Flutey Doug Flutie,
but there's so many more.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
The numbers, the politics, the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
There are so many players in Canada, like it almost
irks my soul that they didn't get the opportunity because
there's no reason you should be here.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Every week we play somebody different. I've seen maybe four
or five guys. Why why are you here? M hm doing?
But anyway, that's need to get over there, m h.
Parting the Bengals camp and told reporters things are exactly
the same with contract talks. What I'm not going to
do is be a distraction. Excuse me, Trey isn't practicing,
but it's back strictly to eliminate the fifty thousand dollars
daily fine Trey was seeing coaching Shamar or Shamar. Stewart also, O, Yo,
(00:23):
are you feeling optimistic?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, it absolutely, I'm not feeling optimistic. You got to
understand Trey Henderson only came back simply so.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
He doesn't have to pay the fines.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yep, he's not there.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
He got there, you know, on on on on on
good notice. He's there because you don't you don't want
to pay the fines, and then said, well, we're still
in a standstill. There's been no forward progress, and that's
getting a deal done I'm assuming must be far off.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The only reason he's there is because I don't want
to accumulate a certain amount of fines.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Fifty thousand of a day.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They can't resind, they gotta take it.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
They gotta get be that too.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
One thing about it, and one thing I know about
the Brown family. What you're not gonna do is You're
not gonna bully Mike Brown. You're not gonna bully Mike Brown.
It's not happening. If if it is, If his feet
are cemented and he said, this is what we can
do and this is what we can pay, that's what
it's gonna be. That's what it's gonna be, you know.
(01:26):
And I'm hoping. I'm hoping because defensively, we need all
hands on deck.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We need all the help he can get.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Fray Henderson had a hell of a year last year
and the year before. I would love for him to
be compensated as such. I hope, I hope at some
point they come to an agreement and the number that
makes sense for both.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
But as of right now, it ain't happening.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Man, I'm looking at yo, mean, Joe, huh Yeah, y'all
gonna need him about Listen.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Our defense was twenty six, twenty seventh ranked or something
something like that in the NFL last year, twenty fifth,
and we had it so hell even with the improvements,
even with the improvements at the middle of excuse me,
at the middle lineback of position, and getting Shamar Stewart
and the other offseason acquisitions we need everybody we can
get to make sure we don't look like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Hey, hey Joe, we don't need to be top five
defense in the NFL. We just need you to be
somewhere in the middle of the pack and stop somebody.
If we score thirty points.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That man had seventeen a half sacks and y'all finished
where y'all finished. So take away them seventeen a half
sacks where you'll think y'all gon finish.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Hey, don't talk, don't talk about my team.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm just I'm just see because oh, y'all, it's not
like it's not like y'all got like y'all just like loaded.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
With talent like the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Right, So a one piece goes out, you're like, okay, cool,
we're good.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You know, they lost two key pieces, but.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
They still got you know, still got car and they
still got David, they still got bron They got the
corners and things like that they got.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
They're good.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
They they they locked right, Rob, y'all really got one
player that people worry about on defense.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's him. Yeah, it's him, and with they didn't spend
all that money on offense.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, I mean, listen, that's that's our identity. That's our identity, Joe.
One of the few teams. You can't let you.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You can't let your big fail, you can't let your
d n go. Oh Joe, come on now.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Hey, hey Joe, this is a business, Joe. It's a business, Joe.
You know, all of all the money. I think we're
twenty nine men under the cap.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Don't quote me. I might be wrong. I think we're
somewhere around there.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So I think they can get to a number that's decent,
that makes you know, the owners feel comfortable, that can
make trade feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But hell, if if it was ship, I would assume
it'd have been done by that. Hell, we have six
months and season, end of the last.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, they might as well. Don't trade it, man, I
don't trade him, Joe. That's what they should do.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But but what you're saying, that's that's a pride for
that's a prideful man.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You don't play. He don't play on boy.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
They don't. They don't.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
They don't let you back him into a corner. They
don't let you bully him.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Hey, Joe, I was in my prime, Joe, you know,
and I was I was upset, you know, the uh
just something media blaming me for us losing. I'm like, well, hell,
how you how you all blaming me for for for
us losing.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'm doing everything I was supposed to do. I'm like,
you know, you know, and I was like, man, but
let me get up out of here then, man, please, boy,
who's the former owner of the Redskins. I'm I'm sorry the.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Commander Dance, not Dan Snyder.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And Dan Snyder offered Mike brown two first round picks.
Joe min I'm in my prime, Joe about about prime
mouthful of yeah, yeah, boy, yeah, Mike, Mike Browne said,
and he ain't going to wear you whether you're mad
or not. But I came back that that that that
(05:04):
following season. But had by five hundred sixty yards that season, Joe, It.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Wasn't nothing wrong with me. I went from a thirteen
to fourteen hundred yard season the all of a sudden
five hundred out the blue and I'm healthy.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Man, Listen what they want. They weren't throwing your way,
bro Oh they get you. That that that fix it
up for you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's that that let me know, Okay, I see I see,
I see who run the show.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You know what let me play the game the right way.
That's all. That's all I need to see.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Joe, I went from a thirteen hundred yard season and
the next season after being the scruntle.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
All of a sudden, I only got five hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Man, they ain't heard a peep from me after that.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, yeah, hey, y'all better y'all, but y'all better get
your hair, hey, Steven Steelers and Steves got a solid defense.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Solid they more than sold on paper. Wait a minute,
on paper outside of te who's proven.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But you got other pieces that have come from other
places that they got.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Hot Smith, they got he breaking effect, that's his name.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
They got.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
They got They did Cam Hayward.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh yeah yeah, stealing rented, Yeah yeah he was. He
was ball and I think he kind of dig. But
the other guy, uh, he might be fifty one. But
they got some pieces over there, and they what they do.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
They gave t J. Watt the money they got.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And you mean to tell me, y'all not even close
to the Steelers level of talent, and y'all best player
on defense, y'all don't want to pay him.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
You should have told him you do something you shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You should not have told him that you're gon, we're
gonna take care of it, because the man went out
there led the league in sacks. Oh Joe, he's all pro,
and so he has an expectation like, okay, y'all gon,
y'all say, y'all gonna take care of you. Okay, here
is I'm take care of me. Well this is what
we could do. Nah Nah, they ain't taking care of me.
That's taking care of y'all. Make the money right.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Day. But then the bigels just started paying people like.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Three years ago, where they paid Joe Burrow for the
longer time, they got Boomer sizes sing out of that
because they don't want to pay Boom.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
They don't pay nobody on Joe.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know that first hand. You've been on.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
They don't opened up the water man. They just started
opening that water up now.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Joe Burrow and and and and and and uh uh chase.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
They played they played a couple of offensive blamenick uh
uh o brow Obi they paid him. But then, like
I said, they just started that recently. Big has been cheap.
Everybody know the Binger cheap. Jared Jones says, just can't
help himself today he said. Last year's chance for CD
Lamb's contract extension was much louder than yesterday's chance for Michaeh.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Jerry said, Man, that.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Was a little faint noise compared to the way they
will hollering. Last year paid Lamb. Whoever's not in You
could count it a few holler at that, but it
was big and loud last year chance for Lamb.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know. I don't know. Listen. I told you
what I think Jerry's doing. I told you what I
think he's doing.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
He's purpose every time he's not pranking us, but every
time it's time for a player to get paid, even though.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
He has to pay them top dollar.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I think he purposely wasted to the last to the
last minute for a reason. He's doing on purpose, so
the atension can always be on the Cowboys, so the
tension can always be on be on him. Let's say,
what if he did pay Michael Parsons already? What would
be the conversation, What would be the conversation right now?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Oh, dak are you? Are you what you're gonna do
with Dkit?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
What do you mean that that that is scheduled to
make what sixty sixty one sixty two something like that.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Billion dollars. Hey, is it gonna extend him?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Extend him? He just signed it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Man, he got two years. He got a little love
of year left on that already. Yeah, that that that
do exact? Hey, that's what I say, Oh Joe, Hey,
that's what I say. These years go by fast.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
You look up.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I mean, hey, I just remember celebrating the fiftieth birthday.
Now I'm close to the sixty that I am fifty.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
And that's the thing. You look up, man, Man, this
time ain't waiting on nobody with you.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Oh it ain't one thing, and one thing is it
would never do it will never. It would never. He
say that. You remember that quote you said about why
you wear a watch? Remember that quote.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I got to reach out.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I ain't got my pad. I will watch why?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Hey hey, how value my time is not to tell time? Yeah?
That guy after this year, that can have two years left?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Okay, Okay, damn that that that killing him? Boy, that
killing him. They one hell of.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
A team off eighty million dollars signing bonus two hundred
and thirty one million and guaranteed money.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
That's what he got.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
That what that guy?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Go ahead brother, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Mad at him at all. I mean, you know how
much a man got to pay? How much a man
got to be worth to pay you? Two hundred and
thirty and guarantee it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm on now, come on now, hey to.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
The man, the man they got one hundred million dollar home,
how much money do you think he actually got?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
If you can afford one hundred million dollar home, you
know what, I give you one better? How about the
man that had a three hundred and sixty million.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Dollar a yacht?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Cause that's a crew. You got to have a crew
probably thirty thirty to fifty people.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And don't get me started, man, there's a whole different
We think athletes are rich, well, hell, what do you
think for people that's paying them?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
On?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
No, they rich and wealthy, they're wealthy. Different between wealth
rich and wealthy because the wealthy, the wealthy people pay
the rich people's salary.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
That's how that work. That's how that work.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Matter of fact.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, And you know
there's a there's another level above the wealthy people.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
The author the ultra.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Come on now, yah, see when you start when you
start getting all jo when you start getting when you
start getting to that twenty thirty for first of all,
you start getting twenty thirty billion, that's it. Now you
get the fifty to seventy five, and then you get
these guys that got one hundred, and then they go
from one to one fifty, one fifty, the two hundred,
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two hundred to two fifty. Now you're getting that Elon
Musk that's in a class by himself that he's three
hundred billion. And then you know, you got Larry Ellison,
and you got Mark Zuckerberg, and you got you know,
Jeff Bezos. You got those guys the two hundreds. But
but oh Joe, it's kind of like once you get
like to a certain number, it's like hot you your
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body don't know the difference between two hundred degrees and
three hundred degrees.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, Once you get fifty billion, you get fifty back.
What can't you buy with fifty billion that you need
to seventy five billion for? It's not as you saying
I want to have it, which I get. I ain't
got no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And it's it's so funny when it comes to billionaires,
the toys that they like to buy are completely different
than what the million is like to buy.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Well, yeah, oh yeah, they look, they get let me.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
They dropping, they drop, they dropping eight they dropping one
hundred million to a millionaire artwork. You know what I'm saying.
They got a painting, you know, Picasso or they God
went raw. You know, they they spend him. They spend
money Michelangelo. They spending money on Pasto. They spending money
like that O Joe.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And they got a home over here. They got a
home over there, and you know, they got a helicopter,
they got a jed. You know, they take you know,
they got a place over here that they'll take the
you know, take the yacht too and get up.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Hey man, it's a different world out there.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But but but so Jay, you heard them, So it
doesn't matter how loud the chance were. You heard them
say pay Michael as he would say, pay Michael.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
One thing one thing Jerry gonna do is he gonna
do things his way, for sure. He gonna do things
his way and on his time. I do like the
fact that Mike is missing all these valuable days. He's
not he's not going through the I call it putting
the callus, creating a alice on the body to get
ready to play football in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
He's gonna cut.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Knowing Michael as explosive as he is, he gonna go
from zero to sixty just like that.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yep, no like that.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Look, this is Jerry. Jerry gonna be Jerry. He's gonna
do like you said, He's gonna do things on his timeline.
He already knows he has to pay Michael. Michael Parsons
don't fall off trees. You got one, and you get
an opportunity to have him for the next You know,
you got him here. I mean, Michael's twenty six, so
this is his fifth year, so you get it to
(14:38):
have him for another five to eight years at bare minimum,
and you know you're gonna have to pay him. And
guess what, this is not the other that's not the
only contract that you're gonna get it. You're gonna guess what,
You're gonna probably have to extend him another time, just
like Miles Garrett got extended and he got extended again.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Watt got extended and he got extended again. So guess what,
You're gonna probably have to give him two extensions. Yeah,
and uh, Michael Parkson is probably by the time he's
uh thirty two thirty three is gonna probably be worth Yep,
doesnet signed contracts over three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
That's just that's the NFL that we live in now, oyo.
That's that's where it's at.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And he.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Would have earned every time.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, people don't listen. Somebody in the chat Michael Bennett
training camp. Ohoe, what you're talking about is Michael Parson practice?
Had he touched the field?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
What he holding in?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah? He' holding in? How we like, what are we
talking about?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Man?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just said he's gonna have to go from zero
to sixty when he signs. He's holding in so he
doesn't get fine.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, that's fifty thousand a day.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It is fifty thousand to day. Huh yeah, yeah, h
thank god leading common sense.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Uh he's uh, he's uh, he's been a limited participant
because he's citing back tightness.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Back what his back? His back tight?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well people funny man, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't blame you. I don't blame you. Like I said,
fifty thousand a day, you're gonna be in training camp.
I mean you're gonna be in training camp at bare
Midland twenty day. That's a meal.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, ain't no, ain't no, ain't no point of playing
like that.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I mean they can't forget. They can't forgive that money either.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
They can't like it used to. But guess what, Since
you can't forgive it, guess what, go ahead and put
it in my contract.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I don't know, whatever, what, whatever I would have lost,
whatever I lost by not showing up, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Need that in the contract. Yes, matter of fact, matter
of fact.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Put it in.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Like dollar Bill told, like a Saint Louis told, dollar Bill,
do something to make me feel better.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
That that what he told? Brooklyn?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
What was it?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
What was the dude name? Brooklyn?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What the other dude name? When you when you put
that he put the cigarette out of what you call him?
Nose man, you've a little bad He say, hey, do
something to make me feel better? Hey, uh yeah, I look,
they're gonna get it done. I just hate you know, Michael.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Michael.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Michael's like, well, hold on, y'all, keep on telling me,
y'all gonna get it done. Until that thing hit my
bank account. I don't believe it's gonna get done.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
But listen, I mean, Jerry is Jerry is being Jerry.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
He's done this to everybody, so the timetable, I'm not
sure when it's gonna be me. If I was the player,
I would have asked Jared I went, I would have
went to him quietly, I say, listen, I understand you
have a way of doing things. I'm not here to
bully you and tell you how to run your business.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
But I need to be on the field.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I need to be practicing, especially when it comes to
training camp. I want to be as far ahead of
the curve as that can be going into the preseason
because I'm not gonna get that many snaps getting acclimated
to the speed of the goddamn game. Please, sir, thank
you kindy, and close the door.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And walk out.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well remember what he said about CD. What CD gonna
get out of being in practice, being in training camp,
being all that? Man?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Please?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, Axual, you know what CD A miss a goddamn beat.
He't miss a beat. Last year he miss a beat.
Dak went out, he still was very productive.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
No, I think they ended up, didn't I think they
ended up shutting CD down too.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Well towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, but what Chefter says, Terry McLaurin is seeking a
contract greater than that of DK Metcalf, the one that
he received from the Steelers. Here's what Adam Schefter had
to say. I would say DK was in the same
draft class as Terry McLaurin. He got about thirty three
million per year. I wouldn't think that Terry is willing
to take less than that. I think he wants considerably
(19:37):
more than that. Washington, They're not there right now. They
loved the value Terry McLaurin, but they loved the value
in him at a different price. McLaurin is in in
the final year of his current contract, which you do
to make a base salary of fifteen point five million
and carry a cap hit of twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You just said they value McLaurin and what he brings
it a team, but at that price. Well, they got
to find a happy medium. They got to have a
happy medium, because all you got to do is pull
up the numbers. I don't have the numbers in front
of me. I'm not sure what DK metcalf has done
the past three four years. I'm not sure, what well,
(20:23):
I know Terry McLaurin. He said, one thousand yards every year,
every season.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But oh, Joe, how many time you heard somebody say
I like it, but I don't like it at that price?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
All the time. That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Hey, they like Terry, they don't like Terry at that price.
Because he said a chefter. If what chef is saying
is true, he wants to be north of thirty three thirty.
So now that CD CD's at thirty four, Jenna is
at thirty five. Now Chase poll vauked everybody and put
it at forty. So look and he's looking at it.
(20:58):
Hold on, I'm saying his contract to you.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Turn on the f and film.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
That uh, that's all I need to see.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Turn on the film.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And I wish.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I wish Jayden Daniels had the kind of leveraging power,
which I think he does, but as a rookie, I
don't think he wants to.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Push that button.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Joe Burrow went upstairs and Mike Brown say, boss man,
we need to get you know, and we need to
get five done. We need to I don't know how
you're gonna do it or what you need to do.
I'm not sure what the book.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, you got to get some years on the kind
you don't have that kind of yeah, that's that's a
Joe Burrow Josh Allen. Oh boy right, I think, but
I wish, but he will, he will have that kind
of he will, he will will we will that kind
of hammer.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I think Jaydon Damas understands importance of having his number
one target for sure. I think the team, the owners,
they all understand that. You know, we talked about we
talk about numbers. Find a number that's good, that's not insulting.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You're not asking to me the highest paid. He said,
Put me in a put me in the ballpark and
where I belong, and let me know you value me.
That's all.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Well, I mean well.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Chef Schefter reported that he wanted to be valued more
than what Minnesota valued Jedda.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
More than see that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
You want more than Jetta.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I hear the thing. If DK is at.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Thirty three, the next is thirty four CD, the next
is thirty five Jeta.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So if he don't work thirty three, what he won't.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Oh fifteen to thirty three is is I mean, that's
a big jump, a huge jump.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I'm thinking like you.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Said, is he trying to reset the mark, not reset
the market? But he's second high second second change.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I don't, I don't. I don't know what he trying
to do. I'm just saying what Sheefter said. Chefter says, uh,
they were in the same draft class. I think Terry
McLaurin and DK were in the same draft class. DK
got thirty three. I wouldn't think that Terry is willing
to take less than that. I think he wants considerably
more than that. So you're talking about thirty six, thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Ooh, hey, that's gonna be tough. I hey, listen, don't
get me here. Line, Hey, that's gonna that's gonna be tough.
That's gonna be tough. I understand it.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You listen, you gotta fight for what you gotta fight
for what you want because you only get what you want. Hey, listen,
You're only.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Gonna have this kind of leverage one time.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, one time.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
So you got to get it right. Yeah, you gotta
get it right.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So the question is, like you said, we don't. I mean, look,
I don't know what he's asking for. Chefter may ay,
maybe Chefter talked to his agent.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't know and listen. Chefter likes shams and uh
wo shams and wolves. He ain't wrong. It's coming from somewhere.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, it absolutely is. But like I said, I like it,
I don't like it at that price. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Hey, Hey, oh Joe, how muight like chrome heart jeans?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I don't like him at that price.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I love scary Terry Man. I hope we get what
he deserves.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But you got to be you got to be willing
to fight bright, especially what you're asking for. If if
what Adam Schefter is reporting is correct, you got to
be willing to fight. You're gonna have to hold your
ground because one thing they.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Will use against you. You got that C on your chest.
You know they will choose your love for the game
and use it against you.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I know firsthand. Hey, I know first hand that it
goes O Joe.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
We're gonna we're gonna stall him out. He's gonna fold
at some point.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah. Love, he loved the game, he loved being he
loved being around the team. He love the guys.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You know, the Timeitans have officially released trailing Burkes, So
let's revisit the Night the twenty twenty two trade. The
Titans traded A. J. Brown for the draft rights the
Trailing Burkes, Roger McCreary, Nicholas petite Free and Kyle Phillips.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Man.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I saw them.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I don't I don't know. I don't know what the
Tennessee was thinking. I still don't know. So, Okay, you
saved money. You didn't want to pay. You didn't want
to make you didn't want to pay A. J. Brown
what he would what the value what he had earned? Okay,
you saved money.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
What had it gotten you?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
They thought Trailing Burk's was answered.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They did because they say, he's the same type of
guy you look at. He's big, he's physical.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
If y'all watched him and y'all watched A J. Brown,
they not, they're not the same, they not. But sometimes
you get you get caught up and you get mad
at somebody and you convince yourself somebody is better. They
got mad at aj because he wanted what was rightfully
(26:13):
he felt he had earned, and they're like, nah, we're
gonna trade you. You should have paid him just for
dabinitely deal with the quarterbacks that y'all had. Now, what
you should have paid him just on that alone.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, listen, you know year three, Frendon Burghs is going
into a third year this year. Yeah, year three is
normally the year that lets people know and should make
it a breaking year.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Maybe maybe this might have been the year he figures
it out.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Well, he had broken collar bone, so he was gonna
be out for like six eight weeks.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, that's that's that's messed up.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh, the business is dirty, by the business is dirty,
especially when the small sum side of what you've been
able to show us so far, it's not enough for
us to keep you around to allow that colup on
the heel. No, absolutely not his players like that that
I wish, I wish I had the opportunity to work
with in the off season.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh shoe, he had fifty nine catches, six hundred and
ninety nine yards and one.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Touchdown for a career.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But that's the career.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yep, three seasons you show, that's right. Yeah, that's what
he saying. He had three fifty he had had played
three seasons. He had fifty three catches, six hundred and
ninety nine yards two touchdowns in the CNFL career. Oh,
(27:47):
in twenty twenty two, he played eleven games, he had
thirty three receptions for four hundred and forty four yards,
and twenty twenty three he played eleven games he had
twenty receptions, he had two hundred and fifty five yards,
and twenty twenty four he played five games, zero receptions,
zero yards.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Okay, he must have been he must have been hurt
and then just broke his collar on. Yeah, damn, it's tough.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, I think it's fair to say the Eagles won
that trade.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, you know, I hope he was.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Probably like, hey, y'all got any other player y'all want
to get rid of over there?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, I hope. I hope you get another opportunity when
when he gets.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I think he a first round pick, so he'll
get another opportunity. But I wonder what it's forty time?
What do you running forty en?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He's the first round pick, helly got he had to
run fast. He ain't run slow because if he ran slow,
listen his career four five, five, Yeah, hell shout. I
ran for five, but I played I played for three.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
There's a difference. The game ain't played in a straight line.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Mm hmm. And he looked.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
They keep see they thought he was gonna be a
J Brown. AJ Brown is a different type of receiver.
H Aj was ran he ran four fort nine.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Hey, but they play so much faster than that forty
times man.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Yeah, six one six, Oh man, Oh brave, big bro,
Yeah damn to twenty six.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
You can't look at him and tell you I mean he.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Bout my size. Jesus, Yeah you can.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, he's he's a he's a he's a physical receiver.
He after the catch. Now he catched the deep ball,
but he wants the ball in his hands. Nobody wants
he want to ball in his hand. Okay, tackle me? Yeah,
you faster than me? Okay, let me see how many
time you want to tackle me though? Okay, yeah, okay,
you're right, I can't run.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yes, yes, yes, all right, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
But I guarantee you after the four time, you ain't
gonn want to tackle me two times, don't gonna steal
from you the second, the third time, I'll put my
helmet in your in your I'm gonna hit my helmet
right in your chest.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You see what Marshawn Lynn say. Yeah, hit hit you
in your face, over and over and over.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
H Tua look to rebuild a relationship with Tyreek Hill
after the Week eighteen outbursts.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Take a listen to what Tua had to say.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
You guys aren't the only people that heard that.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
You know a lot of people that follow football, that
follow the Miami Dolphins, that follow Tyreek, that are fans
of his.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Everyone has seen that.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
So when you say something like that, it's you don't
just come back from that with Hey, my bad, No,
you got you gotta work that that relationship up. You
got to build everything up again. And yeah that it's
still a work in progress, not just for me but
for everybody. But now, like I said, he's he's working
(31:39):
on himself. He's working on the things that he say.
You know, he says he wants to get better with
and do better on. So that's the first step to me,
And so I commend.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Him for doing that, not one I told, yeah, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Can you refresh the people that are that are watching,
the people that are listening. What do you referring to though?
Because he said something, but the people might need context
if they don't remember what Tyreek said at the end
of the season.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Well, I can't give you ver Beta, but I think
he said something that he might be looking to get
out of here because he liked winning, and you know,
he got to do what's in the best interest for him.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Uh, things of that nature. He said, A lot of
stuff he did.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But I think also I love what I love what
tooas said obviously publicly, Too is going to have his
receiver's back, but also hold his receiver accountable, and he
should everything he said. Also for me as as a
football player or former player, understanding the frustrations that the
receiver would have, who've had a down seaton for the
(32:41):
first time, who's not used to having a lackluster season
like that. The frustrations build up, the inconsistency. All right,
I'm not used to this. So what's the first thing
you do? You vent about not actually wanting to be
in that situation anymore and seeing that whatever meant that
Tyrek was trying to do, and trying to maybe find
a way to get out to Miami and find some
world scope, maybe back to Kansas City or wherever it
(33:03):
may be, it didn't work out that way.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Sweat through the now. I can't take what I said back.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
All I can do is work on myself, apologize to
my teammates, apologize to my quarterback and my coaches. And
it's one way to make them forget about everything is
do what you do best catching touchdowns. That's catching passes
and working your ass off. And that's three things that
he already does, which is why he's one of the
best at what he does now in the game.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Sometimes when you're angry or yo, yeah, and I get it,
and I hate that, I really do. I hate when
guys get angry and they don't speak to the media. Yeah,
because when you score fifty, there's never a time when
somebody dropped fifty the NBA, they didn't speak to the media.
There's never a time when somebody had one hundred and
fifty two hundred two three touchdowns they didn't speak to
(33:52):
the media. But the moment you get a little frustrated,
you don't want to speak to the media. But that's
in certain situations. If it's a situation where you so
upset and the words that come out of your mouth
might do irreparable harm, go ahead and chalking them.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Say hey, I can't speak right.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Now, but what did what did you What's what's you're saying?
When emotions are high.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Logic is logic is low. And that's why I said,
you know what, and I get up. I don't I
want you to good, batter and different because you make
the same money. It ain't like so you know why
I had a bad game. O yo, so Ohoe had
a bad game. Oh Cho only had four for fifty yards. Well,
o Jo, we're gonna give you four for fifty yards money.
(34:35):
O Cho had ten for two sixty Okay, now, oh Joe,
we're gonna give you ten for two sixty money. You
make the same either way, right, But we are human. Yeah,
there were there were times. Man, I spoke to the
media after the game. I'm seething because I know we
had some guys that didn't play like they were supposed to.
And sometimes I was one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Oh same, same listen, I can remember my games where
I played bad. I'm about vividly, yes, Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Tell the media, I gotta do better.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
John's job is to throw it. My job is to
catch it. Well, if he's throwing it, I ain't catch it.
I ain't doing my job. So I'm letting him and
the team down. I like the fact that to have
acknowledge what he said, because a lot of times a man,
we know how guys are so far the song that's
(35:28):
our brother.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
He didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
That lets me know that what he said not only
bothered him, but it bothered other people in the room.
And they had a conversation with Tom. They've talked to
Tyrek about this. Yeah, absolutely, they talked to Tyrek about this.
And I like that old Joe because you know, sometimes,
oh Joe, they try to gloss it over. Man, you
know it ain't that big of a deal. Oh, absolutely
bad please.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, And there's only one person that can get away
with saying that, and that was the quarterback. That's the
only one that's the only person because it all falls
back on quarterback not being there. Okay, my numbers on
what they used to be and anything that Tyreek says
at the end of the season. Who they gonna point
the finger at quack quarterback?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, and so but Tyrek, Tyreek knows what he has
to do.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I looked at Tyreek's body this year compared to what
it was last year. He looked ten fifteen pounds lighter.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I told you, I told you what it looked like.
The god damn workout, Uh, why that work out? Oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Look, look the thing about Joe, he's already so explosive.
Even if he leaves a step, he's still faster than
anybody else else.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Hey, completely, it is crazy. And you know what, the
fact he didn't lose the step because he just ran
a goddamn ten to one last month, what do we what?
And he's not even training to run track? How you
you're not even track training and you ran a ten one.
Imagine if he was in track shape or had track
technique or got track coaching, that that ten one dropped
(36:59):
down on nine eight nine nine.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, he might definitely get this. He probably get the
ten easy, easy, Come.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
On, man, he's gonna be. He gonna be alright, though.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
He's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
But he just like, look, you gotta realize where he
came from. See, they never had these problems in Kansas City.
So tyree K used to this. Tyreek used to be
my homeboy being there, and so he used to like knowing. Okay, now, granted,
now his first couple of years in Miami, he's number one,
he's gonna get all the balls, blah blah blah. Now
(37:33):
and in Kansas City, you know, he had to split
that with Kelsey, maybe Sammy Watkins or maybe someone else,
but he knew he's gonna get X and he knew
Mahomes was going to be there.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Right, It's hard no matter how great you are.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Look, only DeAndre Hopkins can just go through quarterbacks and
still put up Pro Bowl, All Pro numbers.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
And you know who else did it? God damn Andre Johnson.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, he had a quarterback carrous Hill as well, and
for some reproduction didn't even matter regardless who's got that
throwing it.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'm happy, uh that he said Tyreek is working, But
like you said, it takes time. And see o Joe,
he could have lied, oh yeah, we're gonna move past
that and moved on and said nah no uh uh
uh uh a dope.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
We gonna make everybody figured about this week one. Mm hmm,
guarantee you because you know, I know, I know what
Mike mcdame's gonna do. I know what he's gonna, I
know what he's gonna call coming the game Week one.
They died ten.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
But see that's where that's where you need leadership. Yeah,
because look at the situation that we dealt with in Baltimore,
in two thousand, the offense with five weeks and we
didn't score a touchdowns down. It could have it could
have split us at the scene. And the thing that
really helped me Ray Woody. Two guys on defense, one
(39:07):
guy on offense. We were really close. We did everything together.
On the road, was in each other's room, laughing, talking.
We went out, we always we always went out together.
We went to get something eat, we did that together.
And I just remember telling them, I said, you guys, y'all, y'all,
y'all are doing unbelievable. Y'all having a great season, historically
(39:28):
great season. I said, But the thing I loved about
football is they don't take great units to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
They take teams.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yes, So I don't care. I don't care what y'all
do if we don't start doing our part right. But
when we start doing our part, don't you guys let down.
We'll get what we have to get fixed. Y'all just stayed,
of course, and me being able to relay that to Woody,
(39:56):
to be able to relay that to Rod, excuse me,
to rate and to let them know that hey, and
then you know, to tell Brian bro I ain't tell anything.
You don't know, but it ain't getting done.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
When when I think about that twenty teen y'all had. Yeah,
that defense was so good. It was so good. Y'all
didn't have to be as great as they did.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
All, you know, to be an unfair, the had to
have been unfair.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
All y'all had to do.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Just meet him halfway, Just meet him halfway. Give us,
give us ten points. We'll take your arrest.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Hey, if we got if we gotta, if we got
a ten enough to lead, oh, it was over for
you unless unless we fumbled and you got a scooping score.
You got to pick six. With Marvin Lewis, we started
playing and Marvin would say, Shay, give us ten.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yeah, I say ten. What we ain't aboudy to get honested?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
What Marvin said? I remember we playing. We started playing,
Marvin say he give us ten.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
We got to the.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Playoffs, Marvin say give us seven. I say, Marvin, do
you realize what you saying? I said, Marvin, these teams
in the playoffs, He said, should give us seven and
give it to us early we played the Raiders, uh uh,
and that we had a great deal. So Marvin was
the DC. Jack Dale Rial was the linebackers coach. Rex
(41:31):
Ryan was the d line coach. I think, uh, who
is the who is our DV coach? I forget his name,
but he ended up going to be DC somewhere. But
we were loaded. Were playing the Raiders in the championship game.
They said, give us seven, it's over. She'll say, Shay,
(41:54):
y'all give us seven early at the half it's over,
say Ray, they number they like the number one scoring
team in football. What you mean give him?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Skip us?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Say shake, give us seven at the half. I said, well,
I'm good for Severn. You don't be big play shake,
oh big play shape, good for Severn.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
I got that.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Hey, I got that touchdown. I came to the sideline
like smoking Mama told him make it work. Yeah, this
ain't nothing. Smokers ain't enough. It ain't enough.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
She's ain't making enough.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Hey, was it running back in the Napoleon coffin back then?
Speaker 5 (42:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (42:32):
It was Charlie Gardner.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Okay, I forgot about Charlie. I've got it.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie Garner. Nap Uh, I don't think. I
don't think that nappy was there then.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
He was nice.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
He was nice too, he had speed. Now you let
him get outside. Now you're gonna cause some problems for you. Yeah,
he hit us with about two hundred one one year
at the Broncos. But I think that's the biggest thing. S.
I think that's where veteran presence comes in, especially guys
that are that's not really concerned about numbers or or
(43:09):
you're trying to win at a certain point in time.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Bro, what.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Man, I don't care how much money you make. Man,
when you lose it, it sucks.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
You man, you hate I'm like, damn, it's bad. You
ain't Joe and people people in chat You're not thinking
about a check. You're like, Man, I'm not hearing this
hot heat. I'm out hearing this cold. I'm out here,
you know, with my body's aching. I'm hurting and we losing.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Hey, hold on, now, you got to think about this. Now,
I was in Cincinnati eleven years, but ten you know
how many winning scenes.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
That had in Cincinnati?
Speaker 4 (43:50):
How many.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Maybe maybe what two one oh? Lord As might be
able to be able to check me on that. But
there's a reason I chose to have so much fun.
There's a reason. How do I block out the losing part.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Hey, make sure I'm doing everything I can true, that's
all I can do.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I know that two thousand and five season that was
a winning season we had, might have had it, might
have might have had two winning seasons maybe in your
career or in Cincinnati, Cincinnati, Cincinnati is my career.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
What you mean you played in New England? You got
a year out there?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I don't count.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Man, that's on your resume. And guess what if you
go to the Hall, they're gonna put that on your plan.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
No, I ain't going to the Hall. I put my
own jacket on.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
That's okay. But if you were to, they're gonna put
it and everybody. I guarantee you go to Wikipedia and
see if they got New England in there. Go to
pull up, pull up a chat, pull up oh cho
Wikipedia and see if they mentioned anything about New England.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
They will. I bet it, I bet they do.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
I don't even know that. I don't know to get
on Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Don't worry about it. I fig to get on that
for you. I better get on that for you. Oh
you might need to have him to take that spouse
thing off there, but that's not a here nor there,
right Now.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
What is it saying?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I ain't said that, but I'm saying, oh uh, he
played foot college at Santa Monica Co Sars.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
That's me. That's me, August State, that's me.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Augus State Beavers.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
And he played for Cincinnati Bengals and the New England
Patriots during his tenure playing in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Hold on, what about they ain't putting I played in
Montreal too.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
No, they didn't put that up there.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
But I played in Mexico too. They ain't put that.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Oh they did.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
They said he Cincinnati Bingings from two thousand and one
to twenty ten. The Patriots twenty eleven, they got an
asterisk by uh Miami, but Madre Allen West in twenty
fourteen and they're moder rate in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
See see, you know what, I have the greatest career
of any any NFL player ever because I played in
the States, I played in Canada, and I played in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Who else could say that? Yeah? Yeah, what are we
talking about?
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Different?
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Different member of He was a member of the Bengals
forty anniversary and fiftieth anniversary teams.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
That's b.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Le's see.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Hey, I was good because you know, how good you
gotta you know, how good you gotta be to play
in the States. You can play in the NFL, play
in Canada and Canada. Listen, Oh I told you about
my experience in Canada.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Ain't no way in hell.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Some of them fellas should be doying in Canada. What
I think people look at the pay or the difference
in think, Oh Canada, sweet.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Man man, what was the hey, Cam Lake who didn't
have a Miami had a guy that came out of
camera camera.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, that's just that's just one of there.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
There are a few examples of people move Flutey Doug Flutie,
but there's so many more.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
The numbers, the politics, the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
There are so many players in Canada, like it almost
irks my soul that they didn't get the opportunity because
there's no reason you should be here.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Every week we play somebody different. I've seen maybe four
or five guys. Why why are you here? M hm doing?
But anyway, that's need to get over there, m h.
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