August 26, 2025 • 62 mins
Glasses Malone and Co. do a deep dive into the layered dynamics of hip hop culture, unpacking recent performances from Kendrick Lamar and Drake, as well as the controversy surrounding the title Tupac Must Die. They explore the emotional responses from fans, the disconnect that often arises between artists and their audiences, and the challenges of creating authentic content in the digital age. They also examine the role of cultural context in shaping perception, the nuance of legacy, and the powerful influence of social media in framing public opinion.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealer's podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
low glasses Malone. What side he got those hats for
sale too?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Does he ye?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Spiffy hats? Where is it?
Speaker 5 (00:23):
What's the name of the website, Joey Joey Westside dot com?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Why you didn't put him on the on your site?
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Why you didn't put him on the Giant site.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Because there's just some ship I did for for my site.
But I'm gonna put him on there too. That's nextage.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
They put them on their first, So you know.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You should make it to where Joey Westside go to
the one t in site and then when when it's
that time, you break him apart.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I know that's sound crazy. I know you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
It just showed me how I got you.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I got you.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, people like it, the habit to going to to
your site doing all that. That's a cool hat. I'm
finna buy me one. It was expensive though, it was
like forty dollars, but look good. It got the green
under it, so that's worth it. I ain't seen them
player hats in.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
A long time. You chose the ones with the green
under the bottom.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Yeah, I told him I wanted those fire so yeah,
that remind me of old school ship.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
So you just.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Go there when you got your hat, you just go
there and you did. They say you want the green
felt under him.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
My folks that I there used to work with me.
He do embroidery.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Now, Oh so you made some hats already. You made
a bunch of hats.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah. I bought me like a few of them. Not
an old lot though.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Well that's cool. How many games? I bought a dozen?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So head over to Joey west Side if you hear
this podcast, grab a Joey west Side had to say,
west Side on it this hard. It's dope as fuck.
I'm finna get me one, y'all only could get eleven
now because I'm gonna get me one.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Niggas down to ten.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Joey got yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Limited edition man, because this wasn't even the original logo.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That's hard, though, that bitch is hard.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You made a mistake, so but I said, I like it.
Let's just go with that.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
That's usually when the mistakes happened. That's fire.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You should like, have somebody do some extra embroidery and
put Joey to the top left hand side of it,
so it'd be like right over the west and just
say Joey on yours, just be for yours.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Right, Yeah, cause I know niggas on one away and
ship and my ship are looking like Snoop dog clothing.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah yeah dog, we have a shit you you were
dog shit. They got his name all over.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
It's like he and Walmart though, he and Walmart getting money. Man,
I see that ship in Walmart that shuld Snoop o
here getting that money.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
He did it? Like how shocked did it? That was
smart through Yeah, super smart.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
So I thought today's topic would be good. I got
a few of.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Y'all here, obviously, I got Keen here. Well, no seilings
the podcast. Y'all been seeing stream of Lunch Hour every Monday,
Wednesday or Friday and noon. But we only do that
to support this the no Sellings podcast. Glasses Malone, my
brother Peter boss in the house, got the good brother King,
big brother King here, got a little bro Joey Westside.
(03:15):
It's a family affair. So today this is Sunday. This
podcast come out Tuesday. So but I thought it'd be
an interesting conversation. Last night Kendrick Lamar comes out and
he performs with the Clips at this really dope venue
(03:35):
packed out water Wall.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think it's like thirty five hundred people, which is incredible.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I'm so proud of the Clips independent accomplishment, you know,
I mean, it definitely gives me a bar to understand,
you know, I mean they are a platinum group coming
back to it.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
But what city was, like, huh what city was in?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It was in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, I thought that was dope, and I was like, man,
I'm so proud of the man that Kendrick is becoming
as an adult.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
You know, I've been saying that. But long story short.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
This morning, Drake posts a picture of him with Tupac's
all eyes on me chain upscoose me with the death
ro Chain, Tupac's death ro Chain with insignia bob blah.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So you know it's Tupac Shange And I was real.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Now, I'm not sure, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Because when I read the small reports of it, right,
he took a picture with the guy that owned it,
so either he bribed him into the wanting it, you know,
the guy who had it, he never wasn't part of
an auction. You know that dude had it so he
had to overpay for it or he took a picture
with it.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Either way cool.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But the narrative got out and it says, you know,
Drake bought this particular chain and.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I laugh at that type of stuff. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think it's dope for anybody in hip hop to
a Memorabelia, that's fire.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
It's another thing when you start wearing that ship.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know what I'm saying. It's like facts, it's been weird,
but whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I imagine you got Michael Jackson glove and you just
walking around Joey shimming, He's walking shaking Nigga's.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Hands, thirty News and rhyme, stones and ship.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Just don't look at bro, like, why would.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
You You got a holy ass shiny.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Glove, Oh God? Walking around to Michael Jackson's loafers is like,
it's cool.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
If you have a room with Joe shout out to
Joey Westside just bought his first crib. Oh nuts, Joeys,
you can make a cool little hip hop room where
you collect all the you know, the DJ Quick first
s P. Twelve hundreds and you know the Doctor Dre's
you know, chronic hat, and you know, and and and
(05:52):
player and in the penthouse players click your first vinyl
and all of that ship, that ship, dope, get all
that ship, keep it right here exactly. But Joey, if
somehow you got Snoop Dogg's braids that he cut off,
don't wear them in your hair as a week boy.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
That's not cool.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Don't get them in your head like this sleep dog's hair.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Look crazy.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Don't get the vest that Tupac wore on. All eyes
on me cover.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And we're into the rain, walking around stuff with us.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We got the show in Palm Springs. Y'all got the
show coming up. You come out in Tupac's best. Don't
do that, just.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Damn best.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Let exactly, just put it.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
On the mannequin in your little room, in a little
glass display case, and you'll put your little sign Tupac's vest.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So I said on my Twitter, I said.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Man, you can't buy your way into the coaching, like
you can't pay your way into it.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You always say that, right.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Obviously, all the angels, the whole parliament.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know, a group of owls is referred to as
a parliament of owls, like a group of crows is
referred to as a murder of crows. You know you're
here to turn flock. That's not true, Like it's a
flock of singulls, but it's a parliament of owls or
murder of crows. That's how you describe crows in a
bunch a murder of crows. You described owls and a
(07:21):
bunch as a parliament of owls. They the owls come
to my page. The parliament comes to my page. They
cuts me out. They discovered Tupac must die. So now
I'm back to this dumb ass conversation. Oh why are
you mad about this? You didn't like Pac? And I
decided to dedicate a good hour with y'all three on
(07:46):
trying to understand why do people think I hate Tupaca.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I think it's just the easiest thing to say, you
know what I mean, They not really trying to have
a real conversation about what it is, the story that
you're telling and your true thoughts on why that you
you know, you dropped that record.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
So the easiest thing to do is just call somebody
a hater and and uh and it hats been and.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Uh, you know, just all the on the internet is
like the internet like women nigga when they mad, they
gonna say the worst shit ever.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Because on the Internet you live in a universe without consequences.
Now that said man asked answer answer your question with
another question, there you go. Why would you think giving
it a provocative troll like title that you did. You
could have called it anything that you would get a provocative.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Response from the troll title.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
It's a provocative title.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Roleo must Die. The reason I came up with it
is must die. John Tucker must Die.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
Sure, I get it?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
So evocative is him?
Speaker 7 (09:00):
It's provocative because I mean really, like like really, I really.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Don't get it.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Legend the language, these things are not still true? Why
are they not true? With the title? What things like?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Like like like you're saying the first ballot, hall of
fame or all time great if not the greatest. The
title Tupaca Must Die is negative? How or provocative?
Speaker 7 (09:30):
How it's it's because of the perception of the first
person speakership that exists within the rap as a genre,
and therefore, saying X person must die and a presumed
first person speaker posture makes it seem as though you
think that that person must die. But yes, the video
(09:54):
is filmed from a first person perspective. So while it's
not person I understand, I know this. You know this, Joe,
everyone in this room knows this, right, But Joseph a layman,
doesn't know this. And therefore if just walking towards a
(10:19):
rake that was left or whatever was left in a
hallway that he's bound to and then be bent out
of shape about.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Had a good answer, Pete, Well, what's the answer to you?
I mean, there is no answer because to me, I
can understand, I get a hater, you know, out of
Tupac must die. And i'matically see the title and say, oh,
you're a hater or you don't like Tupac. To me,
is not enough, you know, like there's like.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I could see, like if the title was I want
to kill Tupac, the Tupac was already dead.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's the whole thing is he's already dead. So there's
no way glasses kuwanam dead. Are not even showcase like
he's happy that he's dead. He's just telling the story.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yes, but I'm saying, look, what are most people uninformed
and lazy and probably the former because of the latter. Yeah,
so you're setting it's like catching a fish with a hook.
I mean all I did was throw a hook in
the water. Well, that's how fish are caught, because fish
(11:30):
aren't the brightest.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
That's why, No matter what, that's why, even after you
explain it, they just go then go blame for a minute.
Then they then they just say some more jump shit
to you because they already made it in their mind
that you are this type of person. So when they
got on you just hate you.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Bro.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
There's a third thing that most people are, in addition
to uninformed and lazy, is emotional.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You had very very.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So you say they love Tupac that much in his
death that if you still say anything that can be anything,
they go crazy.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
There are people who thought or think, I don't know
these people, but you could like you're all all like
the rumor mill shit of like the i'll call it
urban adjacent hip hop audience, right, that thought like sug
Knight tried to have him killed so he could have
the rights to his masters, Like the big guy was
(12:30):
going to hide behind the small guy in a hail
of gunfire, as if that was the plan.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
They still repeat that as as if he's true.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
People don't think about anything.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
What you mean, They say, Tupac is still alive? What
you mean?
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Okay, well have another one, you know, I thought Ellis
was alive until he was one hundred and five years
old in his fake extended life.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Man, I just just Tupac must die. I just don't
get how you would get negative because the must you know, like,
people don't talk like that. This is not England like
like murder threats are not poetic, like you get what
I'm saying, Joey.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The title is poetic, like like I.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Can't, but the word must still has it.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
And it's rapping hip hop. This challenged differently.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
If it was a movie and then it was a
and then it was like a trailer, people they'll react
to it totally different.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, but the video was like a movie.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Yeah, but it was like it's still rapped though it's
hip hop.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Would you want to fight a man? It's all type
of just would would you be that way?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
If if somebody put out, if somebody said you got
into somebody to be like Joey must die. I don't
know if I would feel like that person is a
real threat on my life.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Peter Peter must die.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
He's a weird old than me. If he's saying that, yeah,
King must die. Yeah he's a weird old.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
He's just the kind of person who would probably shoot you,
but like with a musket. Yeah, but like in a
crowd at the Walmart or a school.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Perform after he starked you. For two weeks, I just
didn't think.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And I'm trying because people so mad, and I'm like, like, mom.
Even a dude that fucked with was like he like, gee, man,
you can't have both sides. I'm like, what side of
mine against Tupac? If I'm explaining humanizing experience of somebody
who had a problem, even if that person is Tupac,
Like both Magic Johnson won five championships.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Just because I give.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Credit to Larry Bird or let's say Moses Malone who
won in the eighties, I'm not taking credit away from
Magic Johnson. So if I'm saying to somebody like, I
don't get what you're mad at, Like I never even
for it to be a troll.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I don't even get how is it a troll?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Like I went through a million things to make sure
the idea was poetic.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
You're damn.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
But only the people that's listening and looking for that
is going to see that. That's why you got some
people that'd be like, oh, I get it. Oh okay,
now that you explain, and I get it. But now
we're in the world now where everything is this you
know they call it cloud chasing, right, they call it
creating narratives.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Or whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
And then some niggas is really out here just doing
just that too, trol and get attention.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
So unfortunately, when somebody puts some.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Real art out there, it's getting looked at it as
if you're a part of that circuits.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
So hence, like all the you know, the stupid motherfuckers
people is just talking about yeah pete, even more of them.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Than it is others. Because in order to learn and
gain information, you gotta research, you gotta study. It takes time, right,
you gotta commit some real time to learn these things.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Now you got niggas that don't commit to nothing but
not committing.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I don't know how much longer I'm going to
be able to make this content shit work?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What you mean excuse me? Hold on er, what do
you mean content?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Because it's just like it's nerve wracking.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Like you can't be a real nigga in the space.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
No, you can't there something I getting kicked off the space.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You spend your time, okay, to galvanize a following, right right?
Or like marketing, imagine McDonald's coming out talking shit about beef.
McDonald should be able to come out and say, man,
you shouldn't need this much beef, even though we sell burgers.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
But when bud Light came out and trashed masculinity and
their stock imploded by sixty percent, you see who you mean?
Like when bud Light came out, you.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You like you don't have room to where you could
be a person. They like nah, one direction, one direction.
So it's like even something that's nuanced as Tupac Must Die,
which there's not one thing negative said about Tupac in
the whole song. He's not even being called out his name,
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even after he jumped on somebody, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
What I mean, seeing that they've been mentioned in the
song No No, But.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
You know how many people read that title and then
just went and made a video about it?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Seen the title, made a video.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
So it is back to that content creator thing where
there's a bunch of people that don't care about the
actual thing they're making content on.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
They just figuring out their space in it.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Right, He says, Look, if they're not to cut you off, Pete,
but if they go listen to the video right and
they watch it now, they can't do they you know,
they don't have talent, don't have real skills, right, they
don't really have no real heart into whatever it is
they doing.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
So if I go find out that this story makes sense,
and it's like, oh, okay, I get it now, like
this there's some real shit. I ain't ever seen nobody
do this before.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Now, they don't know how to create a story or
content out of telling that story.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
They're like, no, I only know how to trash niggas control.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
If I'm go find out the truth now, just now,
I know I'm full of shit and gotta deal with
that in silence, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And that's that's something too Joey.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I also think too that some of the people
they're gonna look at that situation and not go even
be on the side, because it's gonna be like, oh,
he could have did something else. He didn't have to
go to that extreme. He could have just turned his
back and turn the other cheek or something. So you're
gonna have those people that's gonna always look at this
as a you know, a villain or negativity because of
(18:56):
the way that glass is portrayed, and like, no, this
is what happened because because of this, and other people
be like, nah, he shouldn't have did that. That was
too far. You know, he would way beyond what he
should have did. So that's another reason why they would
be trying to hate and stuff too. It's those kind
of people.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean, you got all types of people that
look at it their own way, you know. But yeah,
that's why it created the energy and the and you know,
that's why I was polarizing the way it was.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I looked at it as facts. I've probably done the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't know, nobody's gonna jumped on that would have
not reacted. I'm really trying to understand. I'm really trying
to understand, like this, I'm not getting it.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Like I don't think you ever will get what they
on if they's.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
It's just what it is as a guy, so like
you're not gonna get a sober response from a huge audience.
And I mean there's a lot of room for ambiguity.
Like let's say that was your first exposure, really really
really to like the story as it happened, right. Otherwise
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all you hear.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Is biggie and did he killed him or Sugar had
him kill You don't hear any of that, so you
don't have an exposure.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
There's not like a lead in, like a documentorial lead in.
You just see a first person vision and a title
and that guy that you deify into getting his head
shot off, Like that's like what you see. So there's
a lot of room for ignorance to take over and
then be you know, catalyzed by emotion I mean to me,
(20:50):
And it's just it's like one of those do you
mean it like an instructional sense, but it's just like
you antsicipate your audience and know your audience, like he
will do that. But then it's gonna be that fringe
additional audience that she's solicit It's gonna be the ones
creating tension problems because those are the audience that you
don't predict, that you can't foresee as easily. You know,
(21:13):
same with like if you were talking about hip hop
stuff or whatever. Yeah, like a core people that are
going to be, like you know, able to appreciate like
realness at that level, they're gonna be there. You can
predict they're gonna be there, you can address them appropriately.
It's everybody else that shows up because they see a
crowd gathering that doesn't get the context. It's gonna be
(21:34):
the ones that have these bizarre responses that you don't
anticipate because you don't anticipate their viewpoints even being there.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
But this is Drake fans too, though, you know, the
you know, Drake fans is coming down really hard after,
you know, especially after Drake is seen where you know,
the necklace and stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
They want to double back and find anything.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Now.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Sure, but I don't think made that Tupac Must Die
project for Drake Fence. Maybe did you No, then there
you go.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But but even now, it's like, this is just the
newest group of people to be false upset about an idea.
And like somebody said that to me. They was like,
you want to profit off of his murder? And I'm like,
what the fuck? Like how did you get me profiting
(22:27):
off murder?
Speaker 6 (22:29):
That means you want to if you tell any story,
any like story that happened, and you're trying to profit
a profit off.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
From and did ice Ce profit off of sleeping with
his future wife because he got a beat from her
and she could do it all night.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well, the Biggie profit off of Look, make no mistake.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
When I told the story, I knew people would have
a vested interest, right, because this is somebody that they.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Care about or love. Right.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
They're aware of Tupac's existence. So I knew if I
explained the gang banging story, this would make them have
to hear it. But to hear it and to come
up with, hey, you're profiting off of Tupac's death, Like,
it'll be fair pages, bro. The page would be called
mcavelly nine two three, and the whole thing'll be pictures
(23:26):
of Pock and all the tweets is Pock and Pock,
Pock Pock.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
And they'll tweet me and be like, you're trying to
make a living off pop.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Exactly exactly, your whole social press exactly.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Well, defense, they're not making a living off of it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But they really are. Your social presence is Tupac. The
only reason people care about you is because of Tupac.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
And I'm like, you got people saying that Kendrick is
only big as he is cousin Drake.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
That's like a prime example, like where they like Glasses.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You you only talk about Drake, and I'm like, no,
you only tweet about the things that have something like
you only like I've talked about Johnny D's song Johnny
Damn de shout out to Johnny D from from from
Fort Worth, you know, Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas. He asked
my favorite song and hip hop. The song is called
(24:25):
a murder Being, like a bend like Ben the Corner
or Ben Pipes murder Being. It's my one of my
It's my favorite song of hip hop right now. I've
tweeted lyrics from there. You're not retweeting those lyrics at all.
You only cared about this one thing when you're mad
at me because you care about this one thing. I've
(24:45):
said something about five different things today. You found that
one thing and was like, fuck you, Glasses, I hate
you. You only talk about Drake, And I'm like, bro, look
at all the other tweets.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
And click on the off our picture, bro, and then
you're like, Okay, I need to stop talking.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
The coldest ship is when they had that fucking our
emoji next to the ship. What is the is there
a certain Elmoji lifestyle and little Mojibo.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Men, like most most of them were.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Men, and they all like they all look alike.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
They all gotta look to him.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
They was outshining Kendrick concert with a motherfucking Bluetooth speaker,
trying to create like a goddamn jail gate.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
They created with Drake music.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I'm talking about how he got bring up more money
to each other.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
These are weird people, bro.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
When Kendrick had his concert and Kendrick had his concert
in Torontou, they started to market to each other like
we're gonna protest Kendrick concert. And like they was out
there while everybody's walking into the concert. It was about
eight of them. And remember this concert is like fifty
sixty seventy thousand people. This is the only raps at
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this stadium. And they were just playing music and they
just looked like the saddest bunch of people like coming together.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
And it was like, oh, look at Drake's earlier stuff
was a little melancholy.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
That's how they look.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Man.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Well, let me ask a question real quick. There's only
really one, not one, But there's not a lot of
other decent examples that I could say that are comparative,
like that are totally blind, you know, so, like you
know Bill O'Reilly, the TV show guy from back in
the day. Sure, he wrote a series of books about
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historical figures, and they were all it would be like
killing FDR, Killing Kennedy, killing Reagan. If you didn't read
the book, would you think it was a positive or
negative illustration of the historical figure.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I guess it's fair to say negative because it says killing.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
I think I remember seeing titles like that. I think
about it.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
I think because I've only heard like one little interview
piece of him addressing that, I think it was killing
because it was like, we did such a thorough investigation
from a historical standpoint of this that we we just
we killed the topic all in one book. Was how
it was intended. But obviously they could have said any
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of a number of ways, but to try to create
more buzz, they said killing Reagan.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Well, I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm gonna tell you my issue because Joey was around
when I came up with this title, King was around.
I thought about calling it Orlando Anderson, Sure, but the
probably the problem was it would have really reduced a
person's life into the very tiny moment. Gotcha, Like I
didn't cover how he grew up. I didn't grow up
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him having been a father, or him being a nephew
or a son, or a brother or a friend. I
covered this very minute part of his existence. So it
wasn't like there was a bunch of titles that I
can really go with, you know what I'm saying. It
was like it would have been raggedy for me to
make it his whole life.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
This one thing facts.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
So like when I kept thinking about it, it was like,
what do I call this song?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Like this is a movie, Like we made this dope movie.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
And it's going to be my first brick in the
foundation that is hip hop. Where Forever you're gonna talk
about this song, they gonna always be like, man, remember
that song. And we just fought with the title for
a long time, you know what I mean. It wasn't
a lot of titles.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
And rather than using similar language to like the Paris
Hilton porno sex tape one night a night in and
call it a night in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I could have did that. That would have been fire.
I didn't come up with that night in Vegas or.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
What was the They did a movie called like Escaping Vegas,
somebody that with Nicolas Cage Vegas, leaving Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
There you go. Yeah, that could have been cool.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I don't know that would have been fire, but see
you wasn't around in the marketing meeting. That would have
been safer, but were were trying to be safe.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
What you said one night in Vegas? Is that what
you said, Pete?
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Yeah, in Vegas like a knight in Paris, like old Western.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, yeah, I see it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I need to really fix it because like YouTube will
not market that fucking video, that video.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
What happens in Vegas?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
I'm mad at that.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah that could have been cool, but you wasn't around
to give me those white titles, so I was stuck
just with the.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Few limits and understanding the movies.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
That shit already. I feel like it's a movie already
called that.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
For sure, it is.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Of me what happens in Vegas? Oh that's what the dude? No, yeah,
somebody got married with that title, right.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Okay, like if you oh man, probably now you see
how people.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Uh they feel like, uh, his brothers should get out
of jail. Yeah, they were you know, they were treated
a certain way and all that. Now, imagine if you
came out and wanted to humanize R Kelly, say he
was a victim right based on how he was raised,
in him being illiterate and all.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
That, Like make a song where he was kind of
getting molested in how you, yeah, make a song with.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Out he came when he became you no matter what,
no matter what.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Bro forgiving R Kelly.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, giving that would be a hard song.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
You know what I'm saying. We're talking giving R Kelly
ain't like you don't know nobot. You ain't a girl?
Was he fucking you?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
A girl? Should write it? We should write it for girl.
I think you're right, we should write that for a girl. Joey,
that would be the biggest song in hip hop.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Could we get Sexy ready to do that song?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I don't know if she's the right person.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
She has the right temperament, Like you would have to
be a really calm person speaking this guy.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
True as I said. Nobody says survived like she says it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Though, Hey, you could do the Mandela effect with the
title of the song, change it and act like it.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Never talking about how she would have let him piss
on it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know it's sexy Red. That's what sexy reds brand
with fit. Like I let an old nigga piss on me.
If he was rich too that sex, he would be
really tough for her to make a song with that
much kind of depth.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
But true, I'm just say from a brand standpoint, nothing
says post r kel a traumatic distress syndrome or whatever,
like her life.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Not mad at that, But man, I just I just
I guess I just never thought about it, Like I
never thought the title was that bad, and like people
just retweeting it, and don't get me wrong, I benefit
from it because they sharing.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
It and people it's gonna be some people that see, men,
this is dope.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
But it's just weird that you could come to that
type of conclusion by seeing it and then make it
like I'm taking advantage versus really doing my job in
hip hop by telling you the moral compass of street
urban culture in southern California in the West Coast period.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
But those are the best titles of things, are the
ones that do some of the work for you, the
ones that provide that start a conversation. You don't want
to open and close title.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
You know what I mean, so, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's what make good that's what make good hip hop,
no good movies.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Yeah, and then you know, fucking hey, man, y'all mad
at it? Whatever?
Speaker 6 (33:25):
It ain't like got to come out and give an explanation,
you know what I'm saying. You ain't like you're walking
around like, oh, y'all no explanation. You mad fucking like
I'm telling y'all why, y'all ask me, and I tell
y'all why, Yeah, and then after you tell them what,
they'd be like, well, why, And that's when he'd be like, man,
just stop fucking talking.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
He called that one movie like the I even saw
the movie, like the Passion of the Christ. I'm like,
that was a It wasn't like the Jesus story. I
don't even know the Christy I here with the Christ.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
You know everybody talking about that movie when he came out.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, man, just the times we in Man, you gotta think, bro,
we outside with everybody you used to see at school?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Now? Is that it is?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Remember? You remember it.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Was people that you know I had to walk in
the line to lunch. They're outside with us now mm.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Tweeting the kids that would have never talked to us
because the scared you're gonna slap their.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Yeah, are you everybody out? And you don't know who
is who until you.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Those are the majority of the people reaching.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Out to you.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Majority, bro.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I mean, what's like social Like I'm not a big
outward speaker on social media. I more inbound information or
whatever the hell, but there's there's got to be some
sort of especially look at these people like it's not
they put their William Smith and here's my picture and
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I live in Milwaukee and I work for All State
Insurance and here are my opinions. No, they take on
some sort of escapist entity or identity and then they
talk about stuff in like bombastic ways that they would
never speak to another person, and they don't say who
they are. They they've created this fake, fictitious character outlet
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for themselves to go mm hm, pursue whatever outlet, whatever way.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I mean, you got people who feel like it's okay
to lie for kantent like, oh, it's just Kanty.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
That happened to me. Happened to me.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
A dude was like Glass said, Jay Cole is not
hip hop because he went to college, and I'm like,
and I remember you called me like glasses?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
What could they add?
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Mostema?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
They didn't mistake anything like that was just a flat
out lie. But here's a question, did is that true
to any degree?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You wrote and.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Produce and performed the song titled Tupakma's Die where you
glorify Po's murderer?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Is there glory in my story?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
No?
Speaker 7 (36:21):
People, And I don't mean to throw dirt on a
portion of the hip hop audience. It's it's not wall
to wall like the most literal utilizers of English language.
So if we've had live streams where we spent fifty
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minutes trying to define a word in context, like that's true.
That shouldn't happen, right, People happen.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Yeah, people create their own definitions now.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Yeah, So like the it's a thin line between justification
and glorification, but glorification sounds a little more interesting. It's
I'll use that, but in reality, it's not that finn
a line.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Right. And then when you ask, what, like, dang, where
where's the glory in this story?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
And they gonna say, you go with all that smart shit,
you always gotta go deep.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
I'm like nigga you just said the word, though you
just try to get a real understanding of what you're saying.
But now that if now, what it is is that
you have made them feel stupid. So now that you
didn't made them feel stupid, they getting offended. And then
they just tell you, oh, now here you go being
smart and you just think they smart, and it's like damn,
but you just literally use the same word that I'm
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asking you to clarify.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Which is a funny response, Like how do you respond
to somebody by accusing them of being the smart oh man,
with the implied inverse coming right out of your mouth.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
You know, if somebody ever said something to you that
was crazy and you repeat it to him, yeah, and
then immediately they know why you repeated it to him,
and they be like, oh man, fuck you Like, yeah, Ron,
got to repeat it now, I need you to hear
the ship you just told me right now, Then you
say it and they'd be like, you're on that bullshit.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
If it was says to you in life. There you
go being smart again. I don't know how you don't
instantly respond. There you go being stupid. Still, see how
else would you respond to that?
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Now, why are you calling me names.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Man, I told you you was being smart. I just
say you was being stupid.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
The greatest part. I was talking to somebody and I
was like, man, that's I say. Man, you're ignorant. Why
are you calling me names? I'm like, no, I'm labeling
the fact that you don't know the information that we're
you know that you're talking.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
About once again, Ignorant is another one of those words
that mean everything, but what it means, like you know
what I'm saying. It means everything, but what it means is, man,
we are bad like people are, people are ill, people
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are ill out here. Man, there's another one of those words, like.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Like man, by the way, I hope the BC Boys
recover from their sickness. Licensed to ill, reference to ill.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
I know exactly what you're talking about, dude.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Here you go, license to ill. The Tony Fauci COVID
nineteen story.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
See that'd be a hell of a documentary.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, people been on that COVID if it's the first since.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
Look if that was a really say you created like
one of those unauthorized documentaries.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Or whatever, like people will watch that. Yeah, it's funny
that the title was funny. These massholes but people feel
this way. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (40:07):
So I think there's probably a considerable number of people,
like honestly, like i'man I didn't hadn't like followed that
case like to that extent. But that was like the
first time where I really personally was like, oh, that's
like who who really did that?
Speaker 3 (40:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Because from like from far enough away, all the truth
gets filtered out. All you're left getting the further way
you get from the source. In a lot of cases,
this one in particular is a perfect example. Is just
more and more and more rumors that are.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Just weird.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, that's probably fair. I'm just trying to figure it out,
that's all. I don't think you should have six years.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Yeah, I think at this point, I think you should
just continue to just understand.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
And I'm gonna just keep on acting the bad.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But I just didn't think it was that Like I
could get if you're upset at me, like, hey man,
you're humanizing this person.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I want to hate them.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Cool, see now they're taking accountability, Like I hate this
person exactly, but they're not gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It's like they gotta blame me. You don't hear you,
How dare you tell me the truth?
Speaker 7 (41:26):
That's the difference. Though they only love pop. They don't
hate Orlando Anderson because they don't know who the fuck
he is.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
But I don't even know if they love Pac.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think pop is about them, like certain people nip
Poc Jesus, that's about human beings trying to find something
in their self and they using and they use these
people to validate their own existence.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
They love the idea of the person.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yes, Like it was a dude today telling me. He
was like, man, you're not West coast. Nipsey was West
Coast and I'm thinking of my son and he said,
you wasn't West coast? Like you think to yourself, Like
the homie would tweet you and call you a punk
ass bitch right now if you heard you say that.
Like all of my niggas is my niggas like nip Rock,
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God Problem, Bishop Mike. It's certain people, like we really
have bonds. So like because he passed away, you feel
like you have more access.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
To him than me.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yep, And I'm like, this is my real friend. This
is a nigga that I really invested in their career.
Was down with them we shared stories, went through the
struggles and all of that, and you feel like, because
he passed away and you balked the last victory lap
and you looked at his interviews, you feel like you
understand more about him than I did. Yep, my nigga said, man, glasses,
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you think Nipsey would have been banging at forty.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
And I'm like, Nigga, it was almost forty.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
What the fuck?
Speaker 6 (43:06):
These are the type of people that That's what I'm saying.
That's like, and that's why I be blocking them. That's
why black people I see tweets like that, like I
don't even know it ain't even miss, I'm just I'm
on the sideline.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
Looking they need you set that stupid ship. I go
to their page and block.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
I don't even I don't want you ever to be
able to come to where I'm at, you, Miss Doom.
Speaker 7 (43:28):
And that's most why I just don't join the conversations.
I just look at It's kind of the same way.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
It's like what I do.
Speaker 7 (43:33):
Like if I was gonna go do a comedy set,
I want to know who the fuck the audience is, right,
That's the first thing I want to know, And that's
the last thing that they'll tell you. In a lot
of cases sometimes it's pretty obvious, but like, I want
to know who's going to be there.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
Now, you know what type of show, you know where
you're at, if you belong there. The same thing to me.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
It's the same thing with music, especially coming up, like
as an independent and you try to build an audience,
you gotta fun an audience that fuck with what it
is that you do.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Are you good at doing this this way? Are who
like that?
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Then they can become your you know what I'm saying,
You promote you're worried about.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
And what's weird on social media is like people fall
ass backwards into the middle of a conversation, but from
a personality to standpoint, like who's doing the most obsessive
responding to the ship that they see that they don't like?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
On there?
Speaker 7 (44:35):
The weirdest people, the most normal people aren't the ones
doing that. So they've created a lightning rod for weird personalities.
Not you specifically, but like in anything.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
No, really, that's why you've got the and you got
and you got certain streamers and all that that has
an audience full of these type of motherfuckers.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Yeah, because they are like them.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
They are them.
Speaker 6 (44:57):
So it's like, oh, I found the Gang of means
mm hmm, and I'm like they got.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
He be corny people telling people what's corny? There you go, like,
how could you be a fan of Cuz and be
calling somebody corny? There you go, Do you not realize
that Drake is corny? You'd be like, and I'm not
talking shit, a like I swear on seven Street crip,
I'm not talking shit.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
I'm saying like Couzin is like actually corny, like.
Speaker 7 (45:23):
Probably, and he's conscious of it all.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Like he he's a cornball at corns, Like he's you know,
and like you a fan of him and you like
somebody else's corny, I'm like, nigga Cuz. So if you
found any camaraderie cuse and the corn that Cubs got
going on, you're you're corny person. I would say it's
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Revenge of the Nerds, but they're not even smart.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
It's Revenge of the virgins.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Though, revenge of the nerds, I like that.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's Revenge of the virgins or revenge of the non
pussy getters. Yeah, it's really revenge of the rejects.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
Yeah, you know what, It's time to do. It's time
to borrow a title from ice Cube, and we're gonna
have to make it a little different. The title will
be the same no Vasaline, but this song will be
about having tragically run out of Vasaline and it's late
enough at night where all the stores are closed and
you have your Drake record playing and you just don't
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know what to do with yourself.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
I have no idea what they really want. These people crazy.
Speaker 7 (46:37):
I'm not no vassline. When Wallacrans closes at eleven.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
They want to make your day bad because you made
their day bad in their mind.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah, but how am I making your day bad?
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Because in their mind.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
I'm telling you it's they really they really like didn't
want it. They didn't want to see they god lose man.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
I didn't kill them.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Nah, but you on the same team as the dude
who killed the.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
Whole The whole thing is so like not the They're
they're like separate.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
I ain't like when I'm looking at stuff and I
see people like I ain't. I met Kadok once twice, right, and.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
He don't remember me like me, he definitely remember you.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
Well, Okay, Well, when I'm saying I.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
Met definitely don't remember me, not much. I can guarantee
I never met them.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
That right for me, just being like team West Coast
right in the state really need it was happening though,
like he was really the under like it was.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
It's even people.
Speaker 6 (47:38):
On our side like was doubt. And then once he
started like like winning, you seeing him kind of being
a little more like exaggerated with their excitement. But like
when I see people disrespected and disrespect them, like somebody
can say to.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
Me like you don't even know, like he know, he
was like the point.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
And then then I'm on this team period and y'all
saying dumb shit, y'all create narratives. It's lies, y'all disrespectful,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like, yeah, fuck y'all.
Day he was thiscing us too. Did Drake Nigga distance?
I heard him distance?
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
And I know he didn't. I'm like, bro, he distanced.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah, somebody was saying that to me today. It was like, glasses,
you don't think that you guys talk about him, and
I'm like sure, but we talk about everything, cause that's
just part of being an adult. Like I don't understand
what's wrong with talking about Cuz or anybody else. It's
almost like that's their way of not white. It's almost
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like that's their way because of like trying to get
us to let him be cool.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Yeah, I just the whole thing is strange, like to me,
like with and there's kind of some overlap between the
Drake people and the Tupac people. But like hypothetically, let's
say there was something about Tupac that you just couldn't
fucking stand and you just thought that he must die
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or whatever twenty years after he actually did. What the
fuck ever, what do you care? Why would you as
a person that never met the guy a day in
your life and never met Glasses Belowa day in your life,
or was ever going to meet glasses below the day
in your life? What the living fuck do you care?
Speaker 1 (49:29):
I just told somebody that I said, Bro, the fact
that y'all can come to Twitter and speak with me,
and you call yourself attempting to attack me over somebody
who wouldn't speak with you. It's crazy because you find
some all sense of connection and exist is that you
don't know, Like what's always worked for me is the
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same thing that's always worked against me.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
How personable I am sure.
Speaker 7 (49:54):
I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Well, well, I mean it's like you people get mad
because I don't ignore their tweets.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Sure, while you respond to me, I only got three
people following me. I'm like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Yeah, it's like this.
Speaker 6 (50:09):
I was talking about the diet smart people like it's
like that diet psychology, like that reverse psychology is.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Like oh no, I like that. It's like you.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
You know, it's like huh wait, you did this now
then you get big and then it's like, oh, you're
too big to respond. Like he's like, oh so you're
trying to play that game with me. Yeah, yeah, fuck you.
I'm blocking your little three following a bit chass yup,
I've seen it block block maga you saesty FESTI.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
Shout out to doctor Umar.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
That's like him for years, bro, they talked ship about
doctor Umar. He never had the school, then he got
to school. Now you talk shit because he could lose
the school yep.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Like and I'm like, lose loads from the gate. You
start asking for money, it's a rap.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, crowd funding.
Speaker 7 (50:57):
I think like certain I don't know, like across the
board like there's a certain there's a gap between like
who a rapper really is and the rapper that a fancies.
It's it's performance. I mean, like they're not talking about
the stuff on their songs the same way every single day.
(51:18):
Most of them Drake on the couch at his friend's
house and Drake that you see on stage or here
on a record or whatever. It's not the same guy.
Like you're effectively you've fabricated a relationship. It would be
like me watching a movie and fabricating a relationship with
the character being played by the actor and then not
being able to separate the character from the actor in
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real life or the movie from my life. Like I
don't know the whole It's just I don't get people
who cry when celebrities they never met before die. That's
bizarre to me. That's bizarre behavior. There's something wrong with you.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
It just gets worse every time. I'm like, nigga niggas
just be talking like a nigga got mad, and they
be so many like why do you keep talking about him?
And I'm like, bro, like if you make okay? When
Tupac Buns died, Don't.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
Get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I knew that there would be a backlash, but I
thought it would be from like a certain group of
people that would not give it a chance. Right, They're
gonna look at the title, They're gonna associate Tupac and die,
and they're gonna be like, Okay, cool.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
I was. I was. I was smart enough and understood
enough to see that.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
What I never saw coming was the person who watches
the whole thing and steal like, no, you just made
a song that glorify Pop's death.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
And I'm like, cause you just watched it, Cuz.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Like they see something completely different.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Like cousins of the video twice stomping the nigga out
and getting shot.
Speaker 7 (52:52):
Do you think that the people who have backlash after
they've seen it understand what they watched at all?
Speaker 1 (53:05):
You know what Head used to always give me ship
He like glasses, You don't give people credit enough for
being stupid, And I'm like, people aren't.
Speaker 7 (53:12):
KNA and I are right there on that point.
Speaker 5 (53:14):
Yeah, I know, y'all know, Yeah, I know people's life.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
I don't think people are incapable of learning. I think
emotions or different things prevent and distract them from learning,
they're not incapable, yea.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
Glasses.
Speaker 6 (53:35):
But see how he just broke down like the real
like the definition. He like, look, I know they gotta
be capable if they just.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
They're not, They're not you stated something. Everybody not capable?
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Man.
Speaker 6 (53:52):
I remember, man, I I remember when I was in
the fifth grade or the fourth grade, right I was,
I mean, and I was tutoring second graders on them
to read. And you know sometimes I remember just being
a fourth grader like sounding it out and what you
(54:13):
sound out, they don't sound out. And I'm a kid,
I'm just like, damn, they.
Speaker 5 (54:20):
Don't hear it. But it's it's as a teacher, you
supposed to keep teaching. That's your job. You know what
I'm saying. But it might have been incapable.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
But it's pictures.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Picture, you know.
Speaker 4 (54:34):
Use the niggas who struggle to learn pictures help.
Speaker 7 (54:39):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
I'm one of persons that don't know phonics. Like I
can't get.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
A new word and know how to read it and
sound it out. I have to have somebody say the
word first and then I can remember what the word
how to say it.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
I do king like that all the TIMESH and I
think he get mad at me. But it's not like
I'm insulting him as much as like when it's Spanish,
like I had to tell him like two l's is
a y, so LIKEY like it's not volatas.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Whyartha right?
Speaker 3 (55:05):
Yeah, I feel I have zero phonics.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
I don't know nothing about I E and all that
stuff sounds, you know what.
Speaker 6 (55:12):
Like today my daughter was doing some work in someone
and and you know, we say el money, right, but
she had said el monte and I'm like, it's l money.
Speaker 5 (55:21):
But then I start thinking like, damn, maybe I'm saying
it wrong. I'm might this is a Spanish word, you
fan Pedro.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
Yeah, so I start thinking like, you know what, y'all,
I might be saying it wrong, you know, but this
how we say it, and they gonna notice what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (55:41):
You feel me, But you know that's it.
Speaker 7 (55:44):
So yeah, Like life doesn't stop, So there is a
time component to learning. Yeah, it's like two like light
particles are going in the same direction. If one of
them stops all the time, it's just further on. So
you might get the pictures out of the video, but
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if you don't understand contexts and things like that. Then
you're behind and the conversation has started. So you're coming
and the conversations way ahead of you, and the conversation
is moving. It's not staying put while you catch up.
It's moving, so you're just gonna try to catch up
to it. And it's it's like that no child left
behind principle, where like they just thrust you into the
next grade. You didn't learn, so then the next grade
(56:28):
you still don't know the thing for the previous grade.
Then you like further and further and further further because.
Speaker 5 (56:34):
Way more hard. Yeah, you know, I mean you got
to really focus.
Speaker 6 (56:38):
Man, you and when you really want to learn something,
and he right, everybody don't.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
Have the luxury, but you gotta find it. You gotta
find the time if it's something you really want to learn.
Speaker 7 (56:49):
My thing is is like something I don't know, shut
up before you don't, you know, learn first, talk later.
That's no longer a thing.
Speaker 5 (57:00):
Yeah. Fuck, I have a detailed conversation with you about.
Speaker 7 (57:03):
Not knowing none of the dee they talking about, But
you said and people I knew were doing that ship yourself.
I'm trying to baby about some ship and I would
just ask them a basic question, Well, I don't know
about that, then why the fuck do you have this
alludest opinion.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
That when when you start about to talk about that finance, Pete,
I'll just be shutting the fuck up and listening.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
I do not be like Pete. No, but the shoot,
the way, the money, I don't do that.
Speaker 7 (57:28):
It would just be like and that's that's this situation.
I don't know anything about what makes things work not work, fail, survive,
or any of the thing in the culture of like
real street gang life in that sit but I sure
should have an opinion. That's a very curious posture for me.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
But is it because of social media and the Internet
that makes people feel like people going down these.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
Internet things fee like they really know?
Speaker 1 (57:56):
Like people got mad at me because I told them
I didn't really learn what hip hop was till twenty
eighteen nineteen, Like I didn't feel comfortable saying I understood
it until then, and people got so mad like I
was lying, And I'm like, bro, Like, just because I
bought some albums and saw Crush Groove and Beach Street
and had this stuff growing up, doesn't mean I understand
what's going on. Like I never feel comfortable speaking on
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hip hop before that, Like I never did.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
I needed to understand what was happening.
Speaker 7 (58:25):
Well, like in what sense?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
So hip hop is much more than it's not a
genre of music, like hip hop is a culture.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
Rap is a genre of music.
Speaker 7 (58:37):
So you've made in the culture side not to be
or like the consumer side versus the creator side.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
Well, it's only the it's only if you listen to
rap albums, you're not hip hop, true, you know what
I mean. I eat tacos almost every day. I'm not Mexican,
you know what I'm saying. So you don't know that
because you just hear hip hop. It becomes second nature
to everything you doing. You may go hip hop, hip hop,
hip hop, and then you don't know it. It's just
(59:03):
kind of you entitled to it. But I never felt
a sense of entitlement about it until I really want
to understand what it was. And then once I got it,
I was like, oh damn, it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (59:14):
I see.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
So that's why I sound like Tupacma's die can only
come for me because culturally, I'm the only person that
could really explain, you know, the perspective with that type
of depth. Sure, I can offer a unique perspective. That's
the purpose of hip hop. I'm supposed to give you
this artistic take on culture. So if it's the like
(59:36):
if morality, here's a perfect example of how our moral
compass is different based here.
Speaker 7 (59:43):
Yeah, and I think that's part of also like why
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but
like Hed says, as I, you know, I agree, like
don't underestimate people stupid it it part of what that
needs to is like, if you see something in a nanosecond,
(01:00:08):
you know this is not really how things work in general.
Something about this presentation is wrong. I don't know what
it is, but I know that's not what it is.
Whereas if you don't at least have that baseline, you
just see bullshit and go okay, yeah, well, I mean
I saw it, It's there, must be it. I think
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that kind of happens.
Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Man.
Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
I've seen somebody today say Dmax Tupac wasn't the lyricsis.
Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
And it's funny when you look up the definition of
lyricsis they're the main definition love lyrics.
Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
I sent it, right, I sent that to him and
he's like, you know what I meant?
Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
In context, it's like.
Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
Me now battling what you so Now, now I'm assuming
this is the person that feel like.
Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
The way you make words connect make you more lyrical
to someone else, or.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
How technical you are with with with with literature devices exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
So I'm like, oh, dinner. And then so after he
said what he said.
Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
To me, I just put I just put interesting, I said,
Now I go because I got to egg it out
and I'm about to block.
Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
Yeah, And there's there's some in that within within like
rap music is, there's people who can It's true in life,
you can you can see people who are like bullshit
rs use a lot of words, but they don't convey
a message versus people that could really convey a message
very efficiently. They don't have a lot of flowery words,
but they convey the message. That's the whole point of language.
Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
You know, do you got people who know how to
do it with both? Like yeah, you got the M
and M and you got Keith marriage.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
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Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
And iHeart Radio Year
What's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealer's podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
low glasses Malone. What side he got those hats for
sale too?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Does he ye?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Spiffy hats? Where is it?
Speaker 5 (00:23):
What's the name of the website, Joey Joey Westside dot com?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Why you didn't put him on the on your site?
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Why you didn't put him on the Giant site.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Because there's just some ship I did for for my site.
But I'm gonna put him on there too. That's nextage.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
They put them on their first, So you know.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You should make it to where Joey Westside go to
the one t in site and then when when it's
that time, you break him apart.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I know that's sound crazy. I know you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
It just showed me how I got you.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I got you.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, people like it, the habit to going to to
your site doing all that. That's a cool hat. I'm
finna buy me one. It was expensive though, it was
like forty dollars, but look good. It got the green
under it, so that's worth it. I ain't seen them
player hats in.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
A long time. You chose the ones with the green
under the bottom.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Yeah, I told him I wanted those fire so yeah,
that remind me of old school ship.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
So you just.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Go there when you got your hat, you just go
there and you did. They say you want the green
felt under him.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
My folks that I there used to work with me.
He do embroidery.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Now, Oh so you made some hats already. You made
a bunch of hats.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah. I bought me like a few of them. Not
an old lot though.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Well that's cool. How many games? I bought a dozen?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So head over to Joey west Side if you hear
this podcast, grab a Joey west Side had to say,
west Side on it this hard. It's dope as fuck.
I'm finna get me one, y'all only could get eleven
now because I'm gonna get me one.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Niggas down to ten.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Joey got yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Limited edition man, because this wasn't even the original logo.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That's hard, though, that bitch is hard.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You made a mistake, so but I said, I like it.
Let's just go with that.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
That's usually when the mistakes happened. That's fire.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You should like, have somebody do some extra embroidery and
put Joey to the top left hand side of it,
so it'd be like right over the west and just
say Joey on yours, just be for yours.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Right, Yeah, cause I know niggas on one away and
ship and my ship are looking like Snoop dog clothing.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah yeah dog, we have a shit you you were
dog shit. They got his name all over.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
It's like he and Walmart though, he and Walmart getting money. Man,
I see that ship in Walmart that shuld Snoop o
here getting that money.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
He did it? Like how shocked did it? That was
smart through Yeah, super smart.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
So I thought today's topic would be good. I got
a few of.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Y'all here, obviously, I got Keen here. Well, no seilings
the podcast. Y'all been seeing stream of Lunch Hour every Monday,
Wednesday or Friday and noon. But we only do that
to support this the no Sellings podcast. Glasses Malone, my
brother Peter boss in the house, got the good brother King,
big brother King here, got a little bro Joey Westside.
(03:15):
It's a family affair. So today this is Sunday. This
podcast come out Tuesday. So but I thought it'd be
an interesting conversation. Last night Kendrick Lamar comes out and
he performs with the Clips at this really dope venue
(03:35):
packed out water Wall.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think it's like thirty five hundred people, which is incredible.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I'm so proud of the Clips independent accomplishment, you know,
I mean, it definitely gives me a bar to understand,
you know, I mean they are a platinum group coming
back to it.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
But what city was, like, huh what city was in?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It was in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, I thought that was dope, and I was like, man,
I'm so proud of the man that Kendrick is becoming
as an adult.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
You know, I've been saying that. But long story short.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
This morning, Drake posts a picture of him with Tupac's
all eyes on me chain upscoose me with the death
ro Chain, Tupac's death ro Chain with insignia bob blah.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So you know it's Tupac Shange And I was real.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Now, I'm not sure, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Because when I read the small reports of it, right,
he took a picture with the guy that owned it,
so either he bribed him into the wanting it, you know,
the guy who had it, he never wasn't part of
an auction. You know that dude had it so he
had to overpay for it or he took a picture
with it.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Either way cool.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But the narrative got out and it says, you know,
Drake bought this particular chain and.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I laugh at that type of stuff. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think it's dope for anybody in hip hop to
a Memorabelia, that's fire.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
It's another thing when you start wearing that ship.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know what I'm saying. It's like facts, it's been weird,
but whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I imagine you got Michael Jackson glove and you just
walking around Joey shimming, He's walking shaking Nigga's.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Hands, thirty News and rhyme, stones and ship.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Just don't look at bro, like, why would.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
You You got a holy ass shiny.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Glove, Oh God? Walking around to Michael Jackson's loafers is like,
it's cool.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
If you have a room with Joe shout out to
Joey Westside just bought his first crib. Oh nuts, Joeys,
you can make a cool little hip hop room where
you collect all the you know, the DJ Quick first
s P. Twelve hundreds and you know the Doctor Dre's
you know, chronic hat, and you know, and and and
(05:52):
player and in the penthouse players click your first vinyl
and all of that ship, that ship, dope, get all
that ship, keep it right here exactly. But Joey, if
somehow you got Snoop Dogg's braids that he cut off,
don't wear them in your hair as a week boy.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
That's not cool.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Don't get them in your head like this sleep dog's hair.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Look crazy.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Don't get the vest that Tupac wore on. All eyes
on me cover.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And we're into the rain, walking around stuff with us.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We got the show in Palm Springs. Y'all got the
show coming up. You come out in Tupac's best. Don't
do that, just.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Damn best.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Let exactly, just put it.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
On the mannequin in your little room, in a little
glass display case, and you'll put your little sign Tupac's vest.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So I said on my Twitter, I said.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Man, you can't buy your way into the coaching, like
you can't pay your way into it.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You always say that, right.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Obviously, all the angels, the whole parliament.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know, a group of owls is referred to as
a parliament of owls, like a group of crows is
referred to as a murder of crows. You know you're
here to turn flock. That's not true, Like it's a
flock of singulls, but it's a parliament of owls or
murder of crows. That's how you describe crows in a
bunch a murder of crows. You described owls and a
(07:21):
bunch as a parliament of owls. They the owls come
to my page. The parliament comes to my page. They
cuts me out. They discovered Tupac must die. So now
I'm back to this dumb ass conversation. Oh why are
you mad about this? You didn't like Pac? And I
decided to dedicate a good hour with y'all three on
(07:46):
trying to understand why do people think I hate Tupaca.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I think it's just the easiest thing to say, you
know what I mean, They not really trying to have
a real conversation about what it is, the story that
you're telling and your true thoughts on why that you
you know, you dropped that record.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
So the easiest thing to do is just call somebody
a hater and and uh and it hats been and.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Uh, you know, just all the on the internet is
like the internet like women nigga when they mad, they
gonna say the worst shit ever.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Because on the Internet you live in a universe without consequences.
Now that said man asked answer answer your question with
another question, there you go. Why would you think giving
it a provocative troll like title that you did. You
could have called it anything that you would get a provocative.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Response from the troll title.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
It's a provocative title.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Roleo must Die. The reason I came up with it
is must die. John Tucker must Die.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
Sure, I get it?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
So evocative is him?
Speaker 7 (09:00):
It's provocative because I mean really, like like really, I really.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Don't get it.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Legend the language, these things are not still true? Why
are they not true? With the title? What things like?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Like like like you're saying the first ballot, hall of
fame or all time great if not the greatest. The
title Tupaca Must Die is negative? How or provocative?
Speaker 7 (09:30):
How it's it's because of the perception of the first
person speakership that exists within the rap as a genre,
and therefore, saying X person must die and a presumed
first person speaker posture makes it seem as though you
think that that person must die. But yes, the video
(09:54):
is filmed from a first person perspective. So while it's
not person I understand, I know this. You know this, Joe,
everyone in this room knows this, right, But Joseph a layman,
doesn't know this. And therefore if just walking towards a
(10:19):
rake that was left or whatever was left in a
hallway that he's bound to and then be bent out
of shape about.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Had a good answer, Pete, Well, what's the answer to you?
I mean, there is no answer because to me, I
can understand, I get a hater, you know, out of
Tupac must die. And i'matically see the title and say, oh,
you're a hater or you don't like Tupac. To me,
is not enough, you know, like there's like.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I could see, like if the title was I want
to kill Tupac, the Tupac was already dead.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's the whole thing is he's already dead. So there's
no way glasses kuwanam dead. Are not even showcase like
he's happy that he's dead. He's just telling the story.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yes, but I'm saying, look, what are most people uninformed
and lazy and probably the former because of the latter. Yeah,
so you're setting it's like catching a fish with a hook.
I mean all I did was throw a hook in
the water. Well, that's how fish are caught, because fish
(11:30):
aren't the brightest.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
That's why, No matter what, that's why, even after you
explain it, they just go then go blame for a minute.
Then they then they just say some more jump shit
to you because they already made it in their mind
that you are this type of person. So when they
got on you just hate you.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Bro.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
There's a third thing that most people are, in addition
to uninformed and lazy, is emotional.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You had very very.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So you say they love Tupac that much in his
death that if you still say anything that can be anything,
they go crazy.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
There are people who thought or think, I don't know
these people, but you could like you're all all like
the rumor mill shit of like the i'll call it
urban adjacent hip hop audience, right, that thought like sug
Knight tried to have him killed so he could have
the rights to his masters, Like the big guy was
(12:30):
going to hide behind the small guy in a hail
of gunfire, as if that was the plan.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
They still repeat that as as if he's true.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
People don't think about anything.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
What you mean, They say, Tupac is still alive? What
you mean?
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Okay, well have another one, you know, I thought Ellis
was alive until he was one hundred and five years
old in his fake extended life.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Man, I just just Tupac must die. I just don't
get how you would get negative because the must you know, like,
people don't talk like that. This is not England like
like murder threats are not poetic, like you get what
I'm saying, Joey.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The title is poetic, like like I.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Can't, but the word must still has it.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
And it's rapping hip hop. This challenged differently.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
If it was a movie and then it was a
and then it was like a trailer, people they'll react
to it totally different.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, but the video was like a movie.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Yeah, but it was like it's still rapped though it's
hip hop.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Would you want to fight a man? It's all type
of just would would you be that way?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
If if somebody put out, if somebody said you got
into somebody to be like Joey must die. I don't
know if I would feel like that person is a
real threat on my life.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Peter Peter must die.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
He's a weird old than me. If he's saying that, yeah,
King must die. Yeah he's a weird old.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
He's just the kind of person who would probably shoot you,
but like with a musket. Yeah, but like in a
crowd at the Walmart or a school.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Perform after he starked you. For two weeks, I just
didn't think.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And I'm trying because people so mad, and I'm like, like, mom.
Even a dude that fucked with was like he like, gee, man,
you can't have both sides. I'm like, what side of
mine against Tupac? If I'm explaining humanizing experience of somebody
who had a problem, even if that person is Tupac,
Like both Magic Johnson won five championships.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Just because I give.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Credit to Larry Bird or let's say Moses Malone who
won in the eighties, I'm not taking credit away from
Magic Johnson. So if I'm saying to somebody like, I
don't get what you're mad at, Like I never even
for it to be a troll.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I don't even get how is it a troll?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Like I went through a million things to make sure
the idea was poetic.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
You're damn.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
But only the people that's listening and looking for that
is going to see that. That's why you got some
people that'd be like, oh, I get it. Oh okay,
now that you explain, and I get it. But now
we're in the world now where everything is this you
know they call it cloud chasing, right, they call it
creating narratives.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Or whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
And then some niggas is really out here just doing
just that too, trol and get attention.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
So unfortunately, when somebody puts some.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Real art out there, it's getting looked at it as
if you're a part of that circuits.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
So hence, like all the you know, the stupid motherfuckers
people is just talking about yeah pete, even more of them.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Than it is others. Because in order to learn and
gain information, you gotta research, you gotta study. It takes time, right,
you gotta commit some real time to learn these things.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Now you got niggas that don't commit to nothing but
not committing.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I don't know how much longer I'm going to
be able to make this content shit work?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What you mean excuse me? Hold on er, what do
you mean content?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Because it's just like it's nerve wracking.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Like you can't be a real nigga in the space.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
No, you can't there something I getting kicked off the space.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You spend your time, okay, to galvanize a following, right right?
Or like marketing, imagine McDonald's coming out talking shit about beef.
McDonald should be able to come out and say, man,
you shouldn't need this much beef, even though we sell burgers.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
But when bud Light came out and trashed masculinity and
their stock imploded by sixty percent, you see who you mean?
Like when bud Light came out, you.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You like you don't have room to where you could
be a person. They like nah, one direction, one direction.
So it's like even something that's nuanced as Tupac Must Die,
which there's not one thing negative said about Tupac in
the whole song. He's not even being called out his name,
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even after he jumped on somebody, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
What I mean, seeing that they've been mentioned in the
song No No, But.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
You know how many people read that title and then
just went and made a video about it?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Seen the title, made a video.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
So it is back to that content creator thing where
there's a bunch of people that don't care about the
actual thing they're making content on.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
They just figuring out their space in it.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Right, He says, Look, if they're not to cut you off, Pete,
but if they go listen to the video right and
they watch it now, they can't do they you know,
they don't have talent, don't have real skills, right, they
don't really have no real heart into whatever it is
they doing.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
So if I go find out that this story makes sense,
and it's like, oh, okay, I get it now, like
this there's some real shit. I ain't ever seen nobody
do this before.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Now, they don't know how to create a story or
content out of telling that story.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
They're like, no, I only know how to trash niggas control.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
If I'm go find out the truth now, just now,
I know I'm full of shit and gotta deal with
that in silence, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And that's that's something too Joey.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I also think too that some of the people
they're gonna look at that situation and not go even
be on the side, because it's gonna be like, oh,
he could have did something else. He didn't have to
go to that extreme. He could have just turned his
back and turn the other cheek or something. So you're
gonna have those people that's gonna always look at this
as a you know, a villain or negativity because of
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the way that glass is portrayed, and like, no, this
is what happened because because of this, and other people
be like, nah, he shouldn't have did that. That was
too far. You know, he would way beyond what he
should have did. So that's another reason why they would
be trying to hate and stuff too. It's those kind
of people.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean, you got all types of people that
look at it their own way, you know. But yeah,
that's why it created the energy and the and you know,
that's why I was polarizing the way it was.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I looked at it as facts. I've probably done the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't know, nobody's gonna jumped on that would have
not reacted. I'm really trying to understand. I'm really trying
to understand, like this, I'm not getting it.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Like I don't think you ever will get what they
on if they's.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
It's just what it is as a guy, so like
you're not gonna get a sober response from a huge audience.
And I mean there's a lot of room for ambiguity.
Like let's say that was your first exposure, really really
really to like the story as it happened, right. Otherwise
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all you hear.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Is biggie and did he killed him or Sugar had
him kill You don't hear any of that, so you
don't have an exposure.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
There's not like a lead in, like a documentorial lead in.
You just see a first person vision and a title
and that guy that you deify into getting his head
shot off, Like that's like what you see. So there's
a lot of room for ignorance to take over and
then be you know, catalyzed by emotion I mean to me,
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And it's just it's like one of those do you
mean it like an instructional sense, but it's just like
you antsicipate your audience and know your audience, like he
will do that. But then it's gonna be that fringe
additional audience that she's solicit It's gonna be the ones
creating tension problems because those are the audience that you
don't predict, that you can't foresee as easily. You know,
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same with like if you were talking about hip hop
stuff or whatever. Yeah, like a core people that are
going to be, like you know, able to appreciate like
realness at that level, they're gonna be there. You can
predict they're gonna be there, you can address them appropriately.
It's everybody else that shows up because they see a
crowd gathering that doesn't get the context. It's gonna be
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the ones that have these bizarre responses that you don't
anticipate because you don't anticipate their viewpoints even being there.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
But this is Drake fans too, though, you know, the
you know, Drake fans is coming down really hard after,
you know, especially after Drake is seen where you know,
the necklace and stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
They want to double back and find anything.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Now.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Sure, but I don't think made that Tupac Must Die
project for Drake Fence. Maybe did you No, then there
you go.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But but even now, it's like, this is just the
newest group of people to be false upset about an idea.
And like somebody said that to me. They was like,
you want to profit off of his murder? And I'm like,
what the fuck? Like how did you get me profiting
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off murder?
Speaker 6 (22:29):
That means you want to if you tell any story,
any like story that happened, and you're trying to profit
a profit off.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
From and did ice Ce profit off of sleeping with
his future wife because he got a beat from her
and she could do it all night.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well, the Biggie profit off of Look, make no mistake.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
When I told the story, I knew people would have
a vested interest, right, because this is somebody that they.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Care about or love. Right.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
They're aware of Tupac's existence. So I knew if I
explained the gang banging story, this would make them have
to hear it. But to hear it and to come
up with, hey, you're profiting off of Tupac's death, Like,
it'll be fair pages, bro. The page would be called
mcavelly nine two three, and the whole thing'll be pictures
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of Pock and all the tweets is Pock and Pock,
Pock Pock.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
And they'll tweet me and be like, you're trying to
make a living off pop.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Exactly exactly, your whole social press exactly.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Well, defense, they're not making a living off of it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But they really are. Your social presence is Tupac. The
only reason people care about you is because of Tupac.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
And I'm like, you got people saying that Kendrick is
only big as he is cousin Drake.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
That's like a prime example, like where they like Glasses.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You you only talk about Drake, and I'm like, no,
you only tweet about the things that have something like
you only like I've talked about Johnny D's song Johnny
Damn de shout out to Johnny D from from from
Fort Worth, you know, Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas. He asked
my favorite song and hip hop. The song is called
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a murder Being, like a bend like Ben the Corner
or Ben Pipes murder Being. It's my one of my
It's my favorite song of hip hop right now. I've
tweeted lyrics from there. You're not retweeting those lyrics at all.
You only cared about this one thing when you're mad
at me because you care about this one thing. I've
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said something about five different things today. You found that
one thing and was like, fuck you, Glasses, I hate
you. You only talk about Drake, And I'm like, bro, look
at all the other tweets.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
And click on the off our picture, bro, and then
you're like, Okay, I need to stop talking.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
The coldest ship is when they had that fucking our
emoji next to the ship. What is the is there
a certain Elmoji lifestyle and little Mojibo.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Men, like most most of them were.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Men, and they all like they all look alike.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
They all gotta look to him.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
They was outshining Kendrick concert with a motherfucking Bluetooth speaker,
trying to create like a goddamn jail gate.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
They created with Drake music.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I'm talking about how he got bring up more money
to each other.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
These are weird people, bro.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
When Kendrick had his concert and Kendrick had his concert
in Torontou, they started to market to each other like
we're gonna protest Kendrick concert. And like they was out
there while everybody's walking into the concert. It was about
eight of them. And remember this concert is like fifty
sixty seventy thousand people. This is the only raps at
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this stadium. And they were just playing music and they
just looked like the saddest bunch of people like coming together.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
And it was like, oh, look at Drake's earlier stuff
was a little melancholy.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
That's how they look.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Man.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Well, let me ask a question real quick. There's only
really one, not one, But there's not a lot of
other decent examples that I could say that are comparative,
like that are totally blind, you know, so, like you
know Bill O'Reilly, the TV show guy from back in
the day. Sure, he wrote a series of books about
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historical figures, and they were all it would be like
killing FDR, Killing Kennedy, killing Reagan. If you didn't read
the book, would you think it was a positive or
negative illustration of the historical figure.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I guess it's fair to say negative because it says killing.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
I think I remember seeing titles like that. I think
about it.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
I think because I've only heard like one little interview
piece of him addressing that, I think it was killing
because it was like, we did such a thorough investigation
from a historical standpoint of this that we we just
we killed the topic all in one book. Was how
it was intended. But obviously they could have said any
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of a number of ways, but to try to create
more buzz, they said killing Reagan.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Well, I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm gonna tell you my issue because Joey was around
when I came up with this title, King was around.
I thought about calling it Orlando Anderson, Sure, but the
probably the problem was it would have really reduced a
person's life into the very tiny moment. Gotcha, Like I
didn't cover how he grew up. I didn't grow up
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him having been a father, or him being a nephew
or a son, or a brother or a friend. I
covered this very minute part of his existence. So it
wasn't like there was a bunch of titles that I
can really go with, you know what I'm saying. It
was like it would have been raggedy for me to
make it his whole life.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
This one thing facts.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
So like when I kept thinking about it, it was like,
what do I call this song?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Like this is a movie, Like we made this dope movie.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
And it's going to be my first brick in the
foundation that is hip hop. Where Forever you're gonna talk
about this song, they gonna always be like, man, remember
that song. And we just fought with the title for
a long time, you know what I mean. It wasn't
a lot of titles.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
And rather than using similar language to like the Paris
Hilton porno sex tape one night a night in and
call it a night in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I could have did that. That would have been fire.
I didn't come up with that night in Vegas or.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
What was the They did a movie called like Escaping Vegas,
somebody that with Nicolas Cage Vegas, leaving Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
There you go. Yeah, that could have been cool.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I don't know that would have been fire, but see
you wasn't around in the marketing meeting. That would have
been safer, but were were trying to be safe.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
What you said one night in Vegas? Is that what
you said, Pete?
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Yeah, in Vegas like a knight in Paris, like old Western.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, yeah, I see it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I need to really fix it because like YouTube will
not market that fucking video, that video.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
What happens in Vegas?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
I'm mad at that.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah that could have been cool, but you wasn't around
to give me those white titles, so I was stuck
just with the.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Few limits and understanding the movies.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
That shit already. I feel like it's a movie already
called that.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
For sure, it is.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Of me what happens in Vegas? Oh that's what the dude? No, yeah,
somebody got married with that title, right.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Okay, like if you oh man, probably now you see
how people.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Uh they feel like, uh, his brothers should get out
of jail. Yeah, they were you know, they were treated
a certain way and all that. Now, imagine if you
came out and wanted to humanize R Kelly, say he
was a victim right based on how he was raised,
in him being illiterate and all.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
That, Like make a song where he was kind of
getting molested in how you, yeah, make a song with.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Out he came when he became you no matter what,
no matter what.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Bro forgiving R Kelly.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, giving that would be a hard song.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
You know what I'm saying. We're talking giving R Kelly
ain't like you don't know nobot. You ain't a girl?
Was he fucking you?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
A girl? Should write it? We should write it for girl.
I think you're right, we should write that for a girl. Joey,
that would be the biggest song in hip hop.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Could we get Sexy ready to do that song?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I don't know if she's the right person.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
She has the right temperament, Like you would have to
be a really calm person speaking this guy.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
True as I said. Nobody says survived like she says it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Though, Hey, you could do the Mandela effect with the
title of the song, change it and act like it.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Never talking about how she would have let him piss
on it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know it's sexy Red. That's what sexy reds brand
with fit. Like I let an old nigga piss on me.
If he was rich too that sex, he would be
really tough for her to make a song with that
much kind of depth.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
But true, I'm just say from a brand standpoint, nothing
says post r kel a traumatic distress syndrome or whatever,
like her life.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Not mad at that, But man, I just I just
I guess I just never thought about it, Like I
never thought the title was that bad, and like people
just retweeting it, and don't get me wrong, I benefit
from it because they sharing.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
It and people it's gonna be some people that see, men,
this is dope.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
But it's just weird that you could come to that
type of conclusion by seeing it and then make it
like I'm taking advantage versus really doing my job in
hip hop by telling you the moral compass of street
urban culture in southern California in the West Coast period.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
But those are the best titles of things, are the
ones that do some of the work for you, the
ones that provide that start a conversation. You don't want
to open and close title.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
You know what I mean, so, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's what make good that's what make good hip hop,
no good movies.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Yeah, and then you know, fucking hey, man, y'all mad
at it? Whatever?
Speaker 6 (33:25):
It ain't like got to come out and give an explanation,
you know what I'm saying. You ain't like you're walking
around like, oh, y'all no explanation. You mad fucking like
I'm telling y'all why, y'all ask me, and I tell
y'all why, Yeah, and then after you tell them what,
they'd be like, well, why, And that's when he'd be like, man,
just stop fucking talking.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
He called that one movie like the I even saw
the movie, like the Passion of the Christ. I'm like,
that was a It wasn't like the Jesus story. I
don't even know the Christy I here with the Christ.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
You know everybody talking about that movie when he came out.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Yeah, man, just the times we in Man, you gotta think, bro,
we outside with everybody you used to see at school?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Now? Is that it is?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Remember? You remember it.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Was people that you know I had to walk in
the line to lunch. They're outside with us now mm.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Tweeting the kids that would have never talked to us
because the scared you're gonna slap their.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Yeah, are you everybody out? And you don't know who
is who until you.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Those are the majority of the people reaching.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Out to you.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Majority, bro.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I mean, what's like social Like I'm not a big
outward speaker on social media. I more inbound information or
whatever the hell, but there's there's got to be some
sort of especially look at these people like it's not
they put their William Smith and here's my picture and
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I live in Milwaukee and I work for All State
Insurance and here are my opinions. No, they take on
some sort of escapist entity or identity and then they
talk about stuff in like bombastic ways that they would
never speak to another person, and they don't say who
they are. They they've created this fake, fictitious character outlet
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for themselves to go mm hm, pursue whatever outlet, whatever way.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I mean, you got people who feel like it's okay
to lie for kantent like, oh, it's just Kanty.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
That happened to me. Happened to me.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
A dude was like Glass said, Jay Cole is not
hip hop because he went to college, and I'm like,
and I remember you called me like glasses?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
What could they add?
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Mostema?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
They didn't mistake anything like that was just a flat
out lie. But here's a question, did is that true
to any degree?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You wrote and.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Produce and performed the song titled Tupakma's Die where you
glorify Po's murderer?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Is there glory in my story?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
No?
Speaker 7 (36:21):
People, And I don't mean to throw dirt on a
portion of the hip hop audience. It's it's not wall
to wall like the most literal utilizers of English language.
So if we've had live streams where we spent fifty
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minutes trying to define a word in context, like that's true.
That shouldn't happen, right, People happen.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Yeah, people create their own definitions now.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Yeah, So like the it's a thin line between justification
and glorification, but glorification sounds a little more interesting. It's
I'll use that, but in reality, it's not that finn
a line.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Right. And then when you ask, what, like, dang, where
where's the glory in this story?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
And they gonna say, you go with all that smart shit,
you always gotta go deep.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
I'm like nigga you just said the word, though you
just try to get a real understanding of what you're saying.
But now that if now, what it is is that
you have made them feel stupid. So now that you
didn't made them feel stupid, they getting offended. And then
they just tell you, oh, now here you go being
smart and you just think they smart, and it's like damn,
but you just literally use the same word that I'm
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asking you to clarify.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Which is a funny response, Like how do you respond
to somebody by accusing them of being the smart oh man,
with the implied inverse coming right out of your mouth.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
You know, if somebody ever said something to you that
was crazy and you repeat it to him, yeah, and
then immediately they know why you repeated it to him,
and they be like, oh man, fuck you Like, yeah, Ron,
got to repeat it now, I need you to hear
the ship you just told me right now, Then you
say it and they'd be like, you're on that bullshit.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
If it was says to you in life. There you
go being smart again. I don't know how you don't
instantly respond. There you go being stupid. Still, see how
else would you respond to that?
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Now, why are you calling me names.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Man, I told you you was being smart. I just
say you was being stupid.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
The greatest part. I was talking to somebody and I
was like, man, that's I say. Man, you're ignorant. Why
are you calling me names? I'm like, no, I'm labeling
the fact that you don't know the information that we're
you know that you're talking.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
About once again, Ignorant is another one of those words
that mean everything, but what it means, like you know
what I'm saying. It means everything, but what it means is, man,
we are bad like people are, people are ill, people
(39:07):
are ill out here. Man, there's another one of those words, like.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Like man, by the way, I hope the BC Boys
recover from their sickness. Licensed to ill, reference to ill.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
I know exactly what you're talking about, dude.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Here you go, license to ill. The Tony Fauci COVID
nineteen story.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
See that'd be a hell of a documentary.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, people been on that COVID if it's the first since.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
Look if that was a really say you created like
one of those unauthorized documentaries.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Or whatever, like people will watch that. Yeah, it's funny
that the title was funny. These massholes but people feel
this way. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (40:07):
So I think there's probably a considerable number of people,
like honestly, like i'man I didn't hadn't like followed that
case like to that extent. But that was like the
first time where I really personally was like, oh, that's
like who who really did that?
Speaker 3 (40:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Because from like from far enough away, all the truth
gets filtered out. All you're left getting the further way
you get from the source. In a lot of cases,
this one in particular is a perfect example. Is just
more and more and more rumors that are.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Just weird.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, that's probably fair. I'm just trying to figure it out,
that's all. I don't think you should have six years.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Yeah, I think at this point, I think you should
just continue to just understand.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
And I'm gonna just keep on acting the bad.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But I just didn't think it was that Like I
could get if you're upset at me, like, hey man,
you're humanizing this person.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I want to hate them.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Cool, see now they're taking accountability, Like I hate this
person exactly, but they're not gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It's like they gotta blame me. You don't hear you,
How dare you tell me the truth?
Speaker 7 (41:26):
That's the difference. Though they only love pop. They don't
hate Orlando Anderson because they don't know who the fuck
he is.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
But I don't even know if they love Pac.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think pop is about them, like certain people nip
Poc Jesus, that's about human beings trying to find something
in their self and they using and they use these
people to validate their own existence.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
They love the idea of the person.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yes, Like it was a dude today telling me. He
was like, man, you're not West coast. Nipsey was West
Coast and I'm thinking of my son and he said,
you wasn't West coast? Like you think to yourself, Like
the homie would tweet you and call you a punk
ass bitch right now if you heard you say that.
Like all of my niggas is my niggas like nip Rock,
(42:20):
God Problem, Bishop Mike. It's certain people, like we really
have bonds. So like because he passed away, you feel
like you have more access.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
To him than me.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yep, And I'm like, this is my real friend. This
is a nigga that I really invested in their career.
Was down with them we shared stories, went through the
struggles and all of that, and you feel like, because
he passed away and you balked the last victory lap
and you looked at his interviews, you feel like you
understand more about him than I did. Yep, my nigga said, man, glasses,
(42:55):
you think Nipsey would have been banging at forty.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
And I'm like, Nigga, it was almost forty.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
What the fuck?
Speaker 6 (43:06):
These are the type of people that That's what I'm saying.
That's like, and that's why I be blocking them. That's
why black people I see tweets like that, like I
don't even know it ain't even miss, I'm just I'm
on the sideline.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
Looking they need you set that stupid ship. I go
to their page and block.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
I don't even I don't want you ever to be
able to come to where I'm at, you, Miss Doom.
Speaker 7 (43:28):
And that's most why I just don't join the conversations.
I just look at It's kind of the same way.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
It's like what I do.
Speaker 7 (43:33):
Like if I was gonna go do a comedy set,
I want to know who the fuck the audience is, right,
That's the first thing I want to know, And that's
the last thing that they'll tell you. In a lot
of cases sometimes it's pretty obvious, but like, I want
to know who's going to be there.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
Now, you know what type of show, you know where
you're at, if you belong there. The same thing to me.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
It's the same thing with music, especially coming up, like
as an independent and you try to build an audience,
you gotta fun an audience that fuck with what it
is that you do.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Are you good at doing this this way? Are who
like that?
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Then they can become your you know what I'm saying,
You promote you're worried about.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
And what's weird on social media is like people fall
ass backwards into the middle of a conversation, but from
a personality to standpoint, like who's doing the most obsessive
responding to the ship that they see that they don't like?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
On there?
Speaker 7 (44:35):
The weirdest people, the most normal people aren't the ones
doing that. So they've created a lightning rod for weird personalities.
Not you specifically, but like in anything.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
No, really, that's why you've got the and you got
and you got certain streamers and all that that has
an audience full of these type of motherfuckers.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Yeah, because they are like them.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
They are them.
Speaker 6 (44:57):
So it's like, oh, I found the Gang of means
mm hmm, and I'm like they got.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
He be corny people telling people what's corny? There you go, like,
how could you be a fan of Cuz and be
calling somebody corny? There you go, Do you not realize
that Drake is corny? You'd be like, and I'm not
talking shit, a like I swear on seven Street crip,
I'm not talking shit.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
I'm saying like Couzin is like actually corny, like.
Speaker 7 (45:23):
Probably, and he's conscious of it all.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Like he he's a cornball at corns, Like he's you know,
and like you a fan of him and you like
somebody else's corny, I'm like, nigga Cuz. So if you
found any camaraderie cuse and the corn that Cubs got
going on, you're you're corny person. I would say it's
(45:47):
Revenge of the Nerds, but they're not even smart.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
It's Revenge of the virgins.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Though, revenge of the nerds, I like that.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's Revenge of the virgins or revenge of the non
pussy getters. Yeah, it's really revenge of the rejects.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
Yeah, you know what, It's time to do. It's time
to borrow a title from ice Cube, and we're gonna
have to make it a little different. The title will
be the same no Vasaline, but this song will be
about having tragically run out of Vasaline and it's late
enough at night where all the stores are closed and
you have your Drake record playing and you just don't
(46:31):
know what to do with yourself.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
I have no idea what they really want. These people crazy.
Speaker 7 (46:37):
I'm not no vassline. When Wallacrans closes at eleven.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
They want to make your day bad because you made
their day bad in their mind.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah, but how am I making your day bad?
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Because in their mind.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
I'm telling you it's they really they really like didn't
want it. They didn't want to see they god lose man.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
I didn't kill them.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Nah, but you on the same team as the dude
who killed the.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
Whole The whole thing is so like not the They're
they're like separate.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
I ain't like when I'm looking at stuff and I
see people like I ain't. I met Kadok once twice, right, and.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
He don't remember me like me, he definitely remember you.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
Well, Okay, Well, when I'm saying I.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
Met definitely don't remember me, not much. I can guarantee
I never met them.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
That right for me, just being like team West Coast
right in the state really need it was happening though,
like he was really the under like it was.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
It's even people.
Speaker 6 (47:38):
On our side like was doubt. And then once he
started like like winning, you seeing him kind of being
a little more like exaggerated with their excitement. But like
when I see people disrespected and disrespect them, like somebody
can say to.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
Me like you don't even know, like he know, he
was like the point.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
And then then I'm on this team period and y'all
saying dumb shit, y'all create narratives. It's lies, y'all disrespectful,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like, yeah, fuck y'all.
Day he was thiscing us too. Did Drake Nigga distance?
I heard him distance?
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
And I know he didn't. I'm like, bro, he distanced.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah, somebody was saying that to me today. It was like, glasses,
you don't think that you guys talk about him, and
I'm like sure, but we talk about everything, cause that's
just part of being an adult. Like I don't understand
what's wrong with talking about Cuz or anybody else. It's
almost like that's their way of not white. It's almost
(48:40):
like that's their way because of like trying to get
us to let him be cool.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Yeah, I just the whole thing is strange, like to me,
like with and there's kind of some overlap between the
Drake people and the Tupac people. But like hypothetically, let's
say there was something about Tupac that you just couldn't
fucking stand and you just thought that he must die
(49:08):
or whatever twenty years after he actually did. What the
fuck ever, what do you care? Why would you as
a person that never met the guy a day in
your life and never met Glasses Belowa day in your life,
or was ever going to meet glasses below the day
in your life? What the living fuck do you care?
Speaker 1 (49:29):
I just told somebody that I said, Bro, the fact
that y'all can come to Twitter and speak with me,
and you call yourself attempting to attack me over somebody
who wouldn't speak with you. It's crazy because you find
some all sense of connection and exist is that you
don't know, Like what's always worked for me is the
(49:49):
same thing that's always worked against me.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
How personable I am sure.
Speaker 7 (49:54):
I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Well, well, I mean it's like you people get mad
because I don't ignore their tweets.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Sure, while you respond to me, I only got three
people following me. I'm like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Yeah, it's like this.
Speaker 6 (50:09):
I was talking about the diet smart people like it's
like that diet psychology, like that reverse psychology is.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Like oh no, I like that. It's like you.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
You know, it's like huh wait, you did this now
then you get big and then it's like, oh, you're
too big to respond. Like he's like, oh so you're
trying to play that game with me. Yeah, yeah, fuck you.
I'm blocking your little three following a bit chass yup,
I've seen it block block maga you saesty FESTI.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
Shout out to doctor Umar.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
That's like him for years, bro, they talked ship about
doctor Umar. He never had the school, then he got
to school. Now you talk shit because he could lose
the school yep.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Like and I'm like, lose loads from the gate. You
start asking for money, it's a rap.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, crowd funding.
Speaker 7 (50:57):
I think like certain I don't know, like across the
board like there's a certain there's a gap between like
who a rapper really is and the rapper that a fancies.
It's it's performance. I mean, like they're not talking about
the stuff on their songs the same way every single day.
(51:18):
Most of them Drake on the couch at his friend's
house and Drake that you see on stage or here
on a record or whatever. It's not the same guy.
Like you're effectively you've fabricated a relationship. It would be
like me watching a movie and fabricating a relationship with
the character being played by the actor and then not
being able to separate the character from the actor in
(51:39):
real life or the movie from my life. Like I
don't know the whole It's just I don't get people
who cry when celebrities they never met before die. That's
bizarre to me. That's bizarre behavior. There's something wrong with you.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
It just gets worse every time. I'm like, nigga niggas
just be talking like a nigga got mad, and they
be so many like why do you keep talking about him?
And I'm like, bro, like if you make okay? When
Tupac Buns died, Don't.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
Get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I knew that there would be a backlash, but I
thought it would be from like a certain group of
people that would not give it a chance. Right, They're
gonna look at the title, They're gonna associate Tupac and die,
and they're gonna be like, Okay, cool.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
I was. I was. I was smart enough and understood
enough to see that.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
What I never saw coming was the person who watches
the whole thing and steal like, no, you just made
a song that glorify Pop's death.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
And I'm like, cause you just watched it, Cuz.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Like they see something completely different.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Like cousins of the video twice stomping the nigga out
and getting shot.
Speaker 7 (52:52):
Do you think that the people who have backlash after
they've seen it understand what they watched at all?
Speaker 1 (53:05):
You know what Head used to always give me ship
He like glasses, You don't give people credit enough for
being stupid, And I'm like, people aren't.
Speaker 7 (53:12):
KNA and I are right there on that point.
Speaker 5 (53:14):
Yeah, I know, y'all know, Yeah, I know people's life.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
I don't think people are incapable of learning. I think
emotions or different things prevent and distract them from learning,
they're not incapable, yea.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
Glasses.
Speaker 6 (53:35):
But see how he just broke down like the real
like the definition. He like, look, I know they gotta
be capable if they just.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
They're not, They're not you stated something. Everybody not capable?
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Man.
Speaker 6 (53:52):
I remember, man, I I remember when I was in
the fifth grade or the fourth grade, right I was,
I mean, and I was tutoring second graders on them
to read. And you know sometimes I remember just being
a fourth grader like sounding it out and what you
(54:13):
sound out, they don't sound out. And I'm a kid,
I'm just like, damn, they.
Speaker 5 (54:20):
Don't hear it. But it's it's as a teacher, you
supposed to keep teaching. That's your job. You know what
I'm saying. But it might have been incapable.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
But it's pictures.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Picture, you know.
Speaker 4 (54:34):
Use the niggas who struggle to learn pictures help.
Speaker 7 (54:39):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
I'm one of persons that don't know phonics. Like I
can't get.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
A new word and know how to read it and
sound it out. I have to have somebody say the
word first and then I can remember what the word
how to say it.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
I do king like that all the TIMESH and I
think he get mad at me. But it's not like
I'm insulting him as much as like when it's Spanish,
like I had to tell him like two l's is
a y, so LIKEY like it's not volatas.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Whyartha right?
Speaker 3 (55:05):
Yeah, I feel I have zero phonics.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
I don't know nothing about I E and all that
stuff sounds, you know what.
Speaker 6 (55:12):
Like today my daughter was doing some work in someone
and and you know, we say el money, right, but
she had said el monte and I'm like, it's l money.
Speaker 5 (55:21):
But then I start thinking like, damn, maybe I'm saying
it wrong. I'm might this is a Spanish word, you
fan Pedro.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
Yeah, so I start thinking like, you know what, y'all,
I might be saying it wrong, you know, but this
how we say it, and they gonna notice what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (55:41):
You feel me, But you know that's it.
Speaker 7 (55:44):
So yeah, Like life doesn't stop, So there is a
time component to learning. Yeah, it's like two like light
particles are going in the same direction. If one of
them stops all the time, it's just further on. So
you might get the pictures out of the video, but
(56:06):
if you don't understand contexts and things like that. Then
you're behind and the conversation has started. So you're coming
and the conversations way ahead of you, and the conversation
is moving. It's not staying put while you catch up.
It's moving, so you're just gonna try to catch up
to it. And it's it's like that no child left
behind principle, where like they just thrust you into the
next grade. You didn't learn, so then the next grade
(56:28):
you still don't know the thing for the previous grade.
Then you like further and further and further further because.
Speaker 5 (56:34):
Way more hard. Yeah, you know, I mean you got
to really focus.
Speaker 6 (56:38):
Man, you and when you really want to learn something,
and he right, everybody don't.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
Have the luxury, but you gotta find it. You gotta
find the time if it's something you really want to learn.
Speaker 7 (56:49):
My thing is is like something I don't know, shut
up before you don't, you know, learn first, talk later.
That's no longer a thing.
Speaker 5 (57:00):
Yeah. Fuck, I have a detailed conversation with you about.
Speaker 7 (57:03):
Not knowing none of the dee they talking about, But
you said and people I knew were doing that ship yourself.
I'm trying to baby about some ship and I would
just ask them a basic question, Well, I don't know
about that, then why the fuck do you have this
alludest opinion.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
That when when you start about to talk about that finance, Pete,
I'll just be shutting the fuck up and listening.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
I do not be like Pete. No, but the shoot,
the way, the money, I don't do that.
Speaker 7 (57:28):
It would just be like and that's that's this situation.
I don't know anything about what makes things work not work, fail, survive,
or any of the thing in the culture of like
real street gang life in that sit but I sure
should have an opinion. That's a very curious posture for me.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
But is it because of social media and the Internet
that makes people feel like people going down these.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
Internet things fee like they really know?
Speaker 1 (57:56):
Like people got mad at me because I told them
I didn't really learn what hip hop was till twenty
eighteen nineteen, Like I didn't feel comfortable saying I understood
it until then, and people got so mad like I
was lying, And I'm like, bro, Like, just because I
bought some albums and saw Crush Groove and Beach Street
and had this stuff growing up, doesn't mean I understand
what's going on. Like I never feel comfortable speaking on
(58:20):
hip hop before that, Like I never did.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
I needed to understand what was happening.
Speaker 7 (58:25):
Well, like in what sense?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
So hip hop is much more than it's not a
genre of music, like hip hop is a culture.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
Rap is a genre of music.
Speaker 7 (58:37):
So you've made in the culture side not to be
or like the consumer side versus the creator side.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
Well, it's only the it's only if you listen to
rap albums, you're not hip hop, true, you know what
I mean. I eat tacos almost every day. I'm not Mexican,
you know what I'm saying. So you don't know that
because you just hear hip hop. It becomes second nature
to everything you doing. You may go hip hop, hip hop,
hip hop, and then you don't know it. It's just
(59:03):
kind of you entitled to it. But I never felt
a sense of entitlement about it until I really want
to understand what it was. And then once I got it,
I was like, oh damn, it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (59:14):
I see.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
So that's why I sound like Tupacma's die can only
come for me because culturally, I'm the only person that
could really explain, you know, the perspective with that type
of depth. Sure, I can offer a unique perspective. That's
the purpose of hip hop. I'm supposed to give you
this artistic take on culture. So if it's the like
(59:36):
if morality, here's a perfect example of how our moral
compass is different based here.
Speaker 7 (59:43):
Yeah, and I think that's part of also like why
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but
like Hed says, as I, you know, I agree, like
don't underestimate people stupid it it part of what that
needs to is like, if you see something in a nanosecond,
(01:00:08):
you know this is not really how things work in general.
Something about this presentation is wrong. I don't know what
it is, but I know that's not what it is.
Whereas if you don't at least have that baseline, you
just see bullshit and go okay, yeah, well, I mean
I saw it, It's there, must be it. I think
(01:00:31):
that kind of happens.
Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Man.
Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
I've seen somebody today say Dmax Tupac wasn't the lyricsis.
Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
And it's funny when you look up the definition of
lyricsis they're the main definition love lyrics.
Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
I sent it, right, I sent that to him and
he's like, you know what I meant?
Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
In context, it's like.
Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
Me now battling what you so Now, now I'm assuming
this is the person that feel like.
Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
The way you make words connect make you more lyrical
to someone else, or.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
How technical you are with with with with literature devices exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
So I'm like, oh, dinner. And then so after he
said what he said.
Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
To me, I just put I just put interesting, I said,
Now I go because I got to egg it out
and I'm about to block.
Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
Yeah, And there's there's some in that within within like
rap music is, there's people who can It's true in life,
you can you can see people who are like bullshit
rs use a lot of words, but they don't convey
a message versus people that could really convey a message
very efficiently. They don't have a lot of flowery words,
but they convey the message. That's the whole point of language.
Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
You know, do you got people who know how to
do it with both? Like yeah, you got the M
and M and you got Keith marriage.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
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