BONUS EP* Convos About Selective Politics

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealers Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
loaw glasses Malone. Sometimes I wish my mom was alive
right now so I could apologize to it because a
lot of the shit that I felt like I made

(00:22):
her go through to get some shit that I really
didn't give a fuck about.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I genuinely think, like.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I think men learn love because they love their moms,
you know, pretty much that's the standard, right.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I don't think women learn love and tell true love
till they have a kid.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Now, I do think some women love their dad, but
then again, most women, the way they love men is
all contingency based.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yes, I mean, to love is to give, no, not
to receive, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I know that's about that, right, because you got a kid,
you got a daughter right now, I've been doing this
little girl since.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
She was a little kid.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
But you you, and I don't want you to talk
about Jazz, you know what I mean. That ain't the
point of the pot. But what I do want to
say is I would imagine you could relate to how
much Maria and Jazz are alike short.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Man, they you know, and again. And I love all
my children, you know, all of them. I love them all,
but especially with my daughter. And my daughter there's a
tremendous sense of entitlement. Like me and her, I told

(01:45):
you about to look tiff that we had yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Sure, sure, but and she straight up.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Told me at the conclusion of that that, well, you're
my dad. You were supposed to But.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I noticed that's not just her, that's a gen z.
Like I've listened to shout out to my young hommie Jason.
Jason grew up out the Nigga, says, got his life together.
Great things happening. Different kids, man, and they really feel

(02:15):
like their parents are supposed to take care of them,
like they're entitled to it. Like I've heard so many
different children tell me that, like, oh, you're doing what
you're supposed to do. And I remember telling Jason and
Airy and Jade and all these kids. I was like,

(02:37):
you know, they're not kids, they're you know, twenty two
to twenty four. And I'm telling them, like, you know,
they could just drop you off at a fire station.
You know, they could just drop you off at a
fire station.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Pretty much up until your responsibility to the letter of
the law ends when a child turns eighteen, eighteen years
of age, they're on their own now, it extends past
a little bit of that. That's why I don't like
this whole law about someone being Oh you're eighteen, now
you're independent. You don't have to do anything nobody tell

(03:14):
you to do. No more. Right, But they still get
the benefits of being a child. But yet go talk
to you crazy. That's the first thing they go through
up in your face is I'm grown now, I'm an adult.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
So that's what I'm saying, Like for parents in today's time,
because they're raised with these like I remember. So I
heard multiple stories that from Brandy, from different people.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I heard multiple stories.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Bro that, like a fourteen year old girl when she
goes to see a doctor, it's her choice to have
her parent in the room.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Oh yeah, we had a big issue with that because Maria,
of course close to doctor Weig Jasmin. So your daughter
could be in there because one thing about it is
She'm gonna say something, and a lot of dads this
is a hard peal of swallow. Your daughter is going
to have sex with someone one day, So if you're

(04:14):
not giving her that same conversation that you give your sons,
you're doing your daughter a disservice because you're not being realistic. Now,
I do think that that's probably a more comfortable conversation
I had with a mother and daughter. But they should
be having those conversations. If they're not, something's wrong, right,
So naturally, I would imagine that a mother should be
in there with her fourteen year old daughter if she's

(04:35):
in the going to see on a doctor visit, because
what if the girl has a brenario disease or something
and the parents don't know about it. I think that's
something that the parents should know about it so they
can help educate their daughter on how to properly protect herself.
And I know they say a doctor can do that,
but no, it's a different conversation coming from your mama,

(04:58):
because that's a life of death conversation.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Now days, do you think that state is getting to
involved in children and parents raising their children and that
creates well, no, it got to be the parents of
some degree.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
But the state dictates a lot of stuff. The government
dictates a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think so, but I don't think think about this.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
G Not to cut you off, bro, but I want
to take you back. I graduated high school in nineteen
eighty eight. Right, the things that happened to me and
junior high would be considered atrocities today. I got paddles.
You know, a paddle was a thing where the teachers
had this you know, flat stick, and I got the

(05:45):
line you wanted office got swatted. Your teacher could swatch you.
You pretty much got an ass whopoping in school right,
and would get one if they went out the way
and decided to call your parents. You was gonna get
another one for climbing in school when you got on
and somewhere along the line they said that that was abuse.
I know no one of that era that came out

(06:07):
with issues because of that. So the reason you always
had the parent. Now, then they came with the form.
Then they then next it was a form that they
the parent could opt out of having your child if
you don't want your because you always had the mama.
I don't want y'all hitting on my baby, and they
the biggest fuck up in class.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Okay, we're gonna get back to that, but I want
to have this conversation about state getting involved in parody.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
So one of them, somebody heard.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
The podcast Peak the last episode, right conversations about American
TV brands and somebody who's who's been supporting the homie
Mark here, who's been supporting you know, no Selings.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Since the first episode.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
So shout out to Mark and anybody else who's been
supporting the longest journey, you know what I mean. But
he was saying that it bothered him that I always,
as I'm working things out in my mind, that I
always arrive where you were, right, because I guess in
theory you're into right wing politics. I guess if you
would identify, you would identify as a right wing as

(07:11):
a Republican. But knowing you, it's much more complex, right,
You're like a common sense guy, you know, kind of
like what makes sense based off of the idea.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Sure, and you know.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
It's always a matter of definitions. People want to you know,
you can throw a round peg in a square hole
or whatever the hell the expression is. I think I
said it backwards, but you know.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
You have to it's for that to be true.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
You have to accurately define me in totality and accurately
define what you mean by right wing in totality, because
a lot of people don't do that either, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
So we gonna jump off for a second. Just just
hold up.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
So the first tweet, he said, glasses, can you have
Van Layton on your show just once when you're working
shit out and always end up siding with Pete's Ronald
Reagan ass politics? And I know why he said that
because Van is, like Van Laythan is a heavy left winger.

(08:16):
Like Van would probably be antifa left wing if he
you know, he's probably a little too smart to be
too antifa.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
But that's how he that's how he speaks politics. You
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's very left wing heavy. And then I laughed, he said.
When I tweeted me back, I laughed. He tweeted me back,
he said, he said, Pete is so intellectually dishonest market
it just really means we're at peak capitalism and the
people he worships deregulated everything and took power out of

(08:50):
the unions that protected workers in the industry. Then they
distract voters with racism and anti gay shit.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Okay, but which that's not the point.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So I so I so I DM, and I say, Mark,
I said, give me five questions to ask Pete right,
and then mind you right, I told him for ten,
but he gave me five. And and it's funny because
I'm gonna read the tweet again. He said, the people
he worships the regular the people that Pete worships, deregulated

(09:26):
everything and took power out of the unions that protect
workers in the industry, then distract voters with racism and
antigay shit. So I asked him for five questions. And
the thing that I noticed about these five questions was.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
They were like.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
All kind of rooted in race, and I was thinking
of my stuff, like in his mind, he don't.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Realize how much.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Both sides, both wings, both wings of that bird leaned
into race to have conversation. And they only lean into
race because they know that strikes at the court of
humanity of human beings in America. So he gave me
these five questions. I'm gonna run through them, and then
we're gonna get back to why I asked these questions
within this conversation, and he said, why do conservatives spend

(10:16):
more time marketing culture, race shit, gay shit to their
base and economics if all they supposedly have policies that
work best for everybody economically.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Uh, I don't know the extent. The extent to me,
I disagree with some of the premise to some degree.
When you say race shit, does that mean? I get
the sense a lot of times that when people push

(10:53):
back on race positive let's say ideas with the race
neutral ideas that obviously in the binary you can call
the other one race driven, you know, from the other
side of the argument.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Still, do you people, I do get what you're saying.
That's funny. I do get what you're saying, which.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Kind of is my thought I and I and it's
fucked up because I don't like mark I'm saying it
makes sense, Like I watch both sides spend a lot
of time using race to market politics.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Do you feel like that?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Do you feel like politicians still use too much race
to market politics?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Definitely?

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Definitely, Okay, definitely for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
So the next question he asked is how does free
market capitalism actually help regular black people and the current
climate that is bought and paid for by corporations.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Well, I mean, in numerous ways. It depends on you know,
who is regular like employed. I mean regular black people
are employed, they're making their bills, they're they're they're not
be billionaires. But they're not indigent poor into projects on government.
So the number one thing that capital the free markets

(12:18):
provide is competitive learning curves to bring down prices of
goods and services. That's the number one thing that they provide.
So I just got, you know, another email from you know,
the economist Gail Pooley who wrote the time price economics
books analyzing how the basically over the last one hundred years,

(12:44):
the escalation in wages has outpaced the escalation in goods,
And a lot of it has to do with the
fact that while inflation has fucked off the value of
the dollar, it's pretty tied in, like there's not a
lot of there's not as much you know, learning curves

(13:06):
as like you can always say we're gonna cut costs
by just not giving you a raise, or we're gonna
cut costs by just saying you can be fired, or
you can take a pay cut. But the efficiency, the
technology whatever, has driven the cost of things down relative
to time at a greater rate than it has manipulated
the price of wages.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
All Right, Still, so I don't want to leave you
out of this conversation. So but I want to also
kind of phrase the question like, I don't think. I
keep telling you, I don't think me and you are
really savvy on politics. I think I get base ideology
and then that's what I work from.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I can't like.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
My problem is I don't switch because of what's going on.
So I'm gonna ask you a question that makes politics.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
But I'm not a political pundit at all. Don't claim
to be.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Okay, well, I don't know if you should use the word.
Did you study politics as much as you keep up?

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah? I keep up with politics, that's proper.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
So the question he's asking is how does capitalism, how
can capitalism help black people? And what's the simple definition
of capitalism?

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Pete, did he say capitalism or free markets?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I mean, well, he said free market capitalism, which what's
funny is I totally disagree. I think that was the
point of the American TV Brand conversation. I don't agree
with this global free market capitalism in America.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
I think that there is a.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Perversion of a failure to properly separate the definition of
capitalism and the definition of corporatism though those aren't not
the same thing, and they are at odds with one another.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
MMM.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
So I think does corporatism help their average working class
black person.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
No, it hurts hm.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I like that corporate corporateism, a corporate versus.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Corporatism which usually involves market manipulation.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, But it's at all
capitalism just the ability to put a price on the
demand of a product, like supplying demand. You can charge
what you want to for it.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Essentially, it kind of depends on who you ask, you know.
I mean some people are adamant that capitalism was just
a term that, as we know it was largely defined
by Marx.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Like what California is a great example of capitalism, right,
you have a one bedroom apartment downtown Los Angeles, you
have a one bedroom apartment in paaramount, people are going
to pay. They can charge a higher premium for that
same apartment that may be actually inferior to the one
a paaramount, but based on the location where they're at

(15:51):
and it convenience of certain things, they can charge what
they want to for it. There's no sept mark saying
where you have to cut it off right here. I
think that's what rent control kind of has to do.
But that's capitalism, right, you know, the ability to be
able to call your own shot kind of for something
that you may own. And I think us as black people,
before we can profit, you know, capitalism could do some

(16:14):
good for us. We got so many other things that
we got to get together. Man, We got to start
learning how money operates in a host of other things,
you know, m hmm. It's like we talked about earlier.
The average person in the hood that wins a lottery
is in bankruptcy court within five years.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
The average person who wins a lottery period. But that's
a whole other story. Average American. Yeah, one thing, I'll say.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
One thing.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
One thing my intellect tells me is black people's problem
in American in America are American problems. They're pretty standard
for most Americans. I think most Americans aren't taught money.
I know that sounds crazy, but I think our problem
are truly American problems.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
I don't think it's the truth. Like, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Now when we start getting into like uh, because I
don't I don't think like like let's say, police brutality,
I think at that point that becomes like racism. And
and I think most problems in America are racist problems.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I think, And it's it's.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Maybe we get the worst of it, you know what
I'm saying, Like, like people that look like us get
the worst of it. But there's a few things that
I feel like that are really I don't think America
as a country does a great job of teaching its
citizens about money. You know, I just think they do
a horrible I don't remember, like I had all ap classes.

(17:50):
I don't remember taking anything about money. I mean, none
of it was. You would think they had certain courses
that are requirements. None of them are required about money.
Which really, like I said, so, our issues with economics
are very much American problems for most American citizens.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
They're raised.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Gee, if they think about this, the average person when
we usually let's keep it let's be honest here, right,
most black people when they do come up on something
that's very rare, that is from a traditional field, right,
they're used the exceptionalist something either sports, music or whatever, right,
whatever have you, Right, and they get this nice summer money,

(18:30):
which you find out later on you really ain't got
no money, right, you know, you get one hundred thousand
dollars check. Your life is not gonna change that much.
It's nice, and it's lovely, But how many times have
we had that happen?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
And I think, like real quick, like in any field.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Of work that requires you having an agent, you're gonna
have some real problems with money because your agent's job
is to not only do represent you, but they're also
selling themselves to you again to other agents, so they're
setting you up with an expectation that there always is
going to be more money there than there really is,

(19:07):
whether you're an athlete and music, an actor, whatever it
might be. I don't think that the rate of squandered
fortunes among successful black attorneys is above one in a thousand,
you know, But in professional athletics it's fairly high.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
You're right, And that's what I'm saying because an attorney
has to do what in order to be in order
to practice this trade, he has to go to school
a certain amount of years. So these people are very
savvy at a number of different things. My sister is
an attorney in Atlanta, and she's great with money. She
lives very well, almost below her means, not saying that

(19:49):
she living in squalor, but you know, if she don't
have a big ten bedroom house, she has a two
bedroom condo with her dog, and she's been driving the
same truck for the past ten years, and I'm pretty
sure she can go out and get the new test
of truck if she wanted through. She sees all that
stuff is just irresponsible her mind, like that's irresponsible. It's like,

(20:12):
why do you need that? You just need a vehicle
to go where you need to go. She goes on
trips now where she does spend money on his trip,
but she doesn't do the frugal stuff most and that's
just something. Most people that I know that do have
it to spend not any of that stuff. I know
a guy that's a billionaire. He was just telling me
about some construction he just completed off to six o

(20:34):
five right, that's gonna pay him something like seven hundred
thousand a month. He drives F one fifty and been
driving that same F one fifty for the past fifteen years.
So I noticed the people that don't have money spend
it like they just it's never going to end. It's
like a well somewhere. They got an ATM in they
closet to where they can just pull out money. I've been,

(20:56):
I've been, I've done that, I've been. Here are your
responsible with money.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Third question, if racist white folks at the top have
a history of using racism to distract poor and mediocre whites,
why should black folks align with their policies?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
I'm not saying I don't understand the question, but I
don't understand like.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Which policies and which folks.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Like in the previous episode, I was making the case
that a lot of that stems from old white Democrat
politicians and their policies. You know, Republican policies don't really
do the same thing. So like, it's not such a
cut and dry question to answer.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
You know what I'm saying, I don't reading these questions
and market smart.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
But it's also again.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Man, racial issue can make you irrationally emotional. Now I'm
not saying this is what's happening in his case, but
I'm saying the question reads like I get.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
The gist of what he's saying from a rationale standpoint,
but from a bolt standpoint.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, I don't rationale standpoint. I get it from an
emotional standpoint.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
No, I mean, I mean, I mean I get the
process of where he's coming from with the question, but
I think the nuts and bolts of the way I
want to answer the question don't align with the questions
framing itself.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Sure again, because.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, the greatest fear so Black people, for the most
part in this country are raised with conservative values, right
conservative values, But their fear of aligning with conservative views

(22:57):
only goes to an emotional.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Standpoint, right of.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
It only goes to an emotional standpoint of not wanting
to be on the same side as racist white like
clans members.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Why they like, well, before I I identify in a
group with Ku Klux Klan members, I'd rather be across
the street, even though.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
In theory our like our values do not align at all.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Sure, I mean I don't disagree, I understand it.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
And and see that's so I get the thought of that.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
My dad is like that. My dad is shout out
the good boy man.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
My pops is the most conservative motherfucker I know, but
has the nerves to act like he's a liberal or
not to act like he's a liberal.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Still too, they want to.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, but they want to align with policies that don't
they don't even agree with, they don't even agree with,
because they just want to be opposite of the Klan,
and it's like the emotional side of that, I get it,
but the logical side of it, like, to me, it's like.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
You need to make your own party on that side.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
You don't try to like and this is kind of
like gangbanging, like or like most people in war, they
be like, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
No, it's fucking not. No, it's fucking not. And that's to.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Me where people kind of live at the enemy of
my enemy is my friend. So it's like, because because
in theory these white people are against the Klan, this
is who I'm rock with. Hell no, cause then white
people ain't against the fucking Klan. The Democratic Party is not.
First off, they're not against Republicans. They're fucking cousins. They

(24:52):
eat at the same fucking table. It's a white woman
and a white man they fucking married, so fucking know
they are not. So aligning yourself with who you think
is not lined up with the Klan is not because
they're the fucking saying. So to me, that's the problem
in that question. It's like every policy. We talked about this.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
The other day.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Still, it was a really interesting conversation man, and we
talked about how this country was built on businesses. Right,
you had to kind of get out and go get
it on your own. The government started to offer more

(25:36):
and more. They started to incentivize people to say, hey,
we're gonna take care of you. If you're not gonna
make money, we're gonna take care of you. It's not
like people were so broken this country they made a
program to take care of poor people. No, they made
a program and people signed on for the program. It
wasn't like the other way. It wasn't like America came
up with this welfare program as a way to solve

(25:58):
a problem.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
And and that's something me and Pete talked about. The
welfare program is before the collapse of like what would
be called the Industrial revolt. The Industrial revolution is what
the early nineteen hundreds to the.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Midst end of the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
So it's like, I can see if welfare was a
program created to help people struggling.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
And it incentivized people into positions. And it's crazy because
it incentivized them to keep a lower standard of existence,
a bare minimum right stare that makes sense, a bare
minimum of existence, like people who live on welfare live
a bare minimum of existence. But unlocking true potential becomes

(26:53):
hard because at a certain place, like you're not getting
the possibles.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
You kind of just getting by.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, Like, and these numbers are fake, it's just illustrative.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
But like, as far as you know, your time and
stuff goes just just for what you do with your day.
If you have no job, let's say, hypothetically for the year,
you get ten thousand dollars. And then let's say you
get a job and you work full time and it's
a minimum wage job, but you're working forty hours a
week and you get twelve thousand dollars, you're gonna get
cut off from the ten, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
It's not like it'll get you an extra three.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah, So what that means is you're now working forty
hours a week for two thousand dollars. Like, like, you're only
working all that time for this tiny little delta. So
it's an awful lot of added work for very very
very little added compensation. It's not appropriately tiered or graduated out.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
You know, to sustain an appropriate incentive.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Okay, so here's the fourth question Trump wants to poll
used to go ten times harder on folks. Why should
we want that?

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Where? Like, where are you getting? He wants to.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Do away with a lot of district attorney what what's
the what's the term like they use it in l
A like where they're where the DA has has has
chosen as a matter of policy not to bring charges.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
On Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
People, they letting a lot of people out of exail.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, well we'll be even beyond in some cases.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah, it's like you commit whatever crime and okay, we're
not going to pursue actually charging that within the courts.
I think that's more from my understanding of what that
is not he wants. Donald Trump wants to deploy thousands
of police to go beat the dog shit out everybody.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
I think one thing.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
That one thing makes you have to remember is that
these are people trying to appeal to certain people's psyche
as certain base of people. Right, So they gonna tell
these people whatever if they if they can get away
with telling them, hey, man, I'm going to turn the
clouds in the sky green for a week. If he
can get people to vote by saying that that's what

(29:19):
he's gonna say. A lot of this stuff still got
to go through a lot of legal maneuvers and all
that other stuff forward to actually come in fruition. Am
I right, It's just because I say it doesn't mean
he's gonna pursue that.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
And I don't want to let it off the hook
that simple, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Like even if that's the thought, right, It's like how
people talk about the crime Bill with Biden, right, and
they say, Okay, well Biden did the crime bill because
black churches and black cockers came to him and was
talking about crime, right, So you know, they that's why
they take the responsibility off Biden for writing the crime bill, right.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And and or that's the thought that they used to
kind of.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Relieve him a full responsibility for not thinking about how
this deal would inadvertently or maybe he knew that it
would hurt, because obviously if the black cautles came to
him and he's like, I'm trying to solve y'all problems,
then he was writing shit the fuck over niggas in
the first place.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
You know what I'm saying That that's the thought.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
You would be surprised how often those laws come from
those laws were conceived by old black people.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, and and before I jump on that right in
Trump right if as a if as a country, we're
going to whine about crime, We're not going to whine
about opportunity.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
We're not going to whine about you know, uh uh resources,
all of the things we should be winding about.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
We're whining because somebody is running in Macy's stealing a
bunch of pants. That's on the news and it's sensationalized
in California. Right, Oh my god, they're just people whining
about that. They're not thinking to themselves, why are these
little dudes running here stealing these pants.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Because they don't have no money?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
So again, if you incentivize politicians right by crying about crime,
not crying about.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
The reason crime.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Again, it's so easy to look at what's happening in
the streets and say, oh, that's senseless violence.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Why can make sense of it?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Most times, some nigga gets shot Pete one I'm from,
I can make sense of it. Very rarely is there
Jeffrey Dahmer or Gaysey or they just killed that nigga
because it was Thursday.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
It's just like the Klan. It was just some black
man and y'all killed that Nigga because he was black.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I don't I can very really recall all them situations happening.
So again, when you have a populace or population excuse me,
people right complaining about crime, politicians figure out ways.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
To appease that fear.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Nobody is saying, what is this movement going on to
these little kids like right now in the bay Biffin,
Why the fuck are you breaking in people's cars? Their
decision is I just don't want nobody's car to be
broken in anymore. Well, why the fuck are you breaking.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
In the cars? Why is this a movement?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
She I can save you a bunch of time right now.
Crime is the result of people not having money, people
have being in poverty, the same reason why, the same
reason why Blacks are Democrats. And we were Republican for
since we pretty much change in this country. We were Republicans,
right since we were allowed to, you know, be involved

(32:47):
in politics and things like that.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
They talk about how it switched and this that and
the third and you know.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's switched in the sixth when Roosevelt came into office, right,
Black America was just an abject poverty. You feel what
I'm saying, It was just really just just really just
disparaging and depressing. Right, So when they started offering things
like welfare and the New Deal that things were going
to be better, you know, you got the that's kind
of like the dawn the civil rights movement where things

(33:14):
were kind of just going up. You had a lot
of first like we were able to vote and just
getting certain liberties, right, Yeah, and people saw this promise
now they was getting a welfare check. Oh my god,
the Savior is here. We're gonna get and you know,
like you said, Peter, becomes a condition of where you
just living off the bare minimum, you just really just existing.

(33:36):
I don't even consider that living. You just existing, right,
especially if there's no plan behind that to say, you
know what, we go better ourselves through education or we're
going to start our own business. We go man, I
don't even think you can afford to think if you've
lived in the conditions like that, if you just get
in the shape for the bare minimum, how do you
even span them of being able to say, you know what,

(33:59):
I'm gonna crawl about space. It seems almost impossible.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
That was kind of my point in the last podcast.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, So seventeen sixty eighteen forty is the first Industrial Revolution.
Then eighteen seventy to nineteen fourteen was a second Industrial Revolution.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
So I think what we're.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Talking about is the exporting of the domestic manufacturing sector.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
In the seventies after the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Sure, sure, exactly, And I guess whatever that era would
be called, right, And that's why I like to take Detroit.
Detroit is the perfect model of what's going on with
black people in America.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right as far as.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
You take livable wage opportunities away, shit gets fucked up,
and there is no way a government should be exporting jobs.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Like even.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
See, I don't really like no, I've never liked the
Every politician I like is dead, and I probably only
liked them because they was dead. That's why I feel
like people who like like niggas like like when Tupac
died or when Nip died, or when Martin Luther King died,
or when margaolmg died, that wasn't they life. They wasn't
living in this lure of love and everybody showed them

(35:24):
love and respected them and treated them.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
The way they were supposed.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
It was always that was always a small population of
people that treated these people correctly, and then when they die,
they become fantasized, and now everybody loved these motherfuckers. Everybody
loved a Homy when he passed away. Well, I feel
like that about presidents. I love Andrew Jackson, even though
his raggedy ass has slaves. I like Abraham Lincoln, I

(35:47):
like JFK. Right, but probably because they did because I
have never, in my life, in breathing air, saw a
good president. And you know why, I've never saw a
good president, Pete in my life, because don't nobody do
nothing for black people yet this country, right went out
of his way to specialize in fucking niggas over so

(36:09):
there is so it don't matter which press. Again, Now,
if I look through a white lens, Pete, maybe I
can have a conversation. Maybe I can have a I
would have to look through the whitest lens to look
at presidents, and then I can tell you who is
a good president.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
But as a black person in this country, I don't see.
Right now, they're.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Talking about Kamala Hares and Donald Trump like, right, and
Kamala Harris.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Wow, Look, I get the concept of black as a race,
right that, even though that's not a real construct.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
But Kamala Harris does not come through black descendant that
you know, descendants of the Atlantic slave trade in America.
Her mother came from India, her father came from Jamaica.
We have never in our life called reggae black culture.
We never in our life called jerk chicken black culture.
We all know that's Jamaican culture. It be closer to
Caribbean culture.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
So again it's it's weird when somebody says the term
black and you know that that shit come with responsibilities
in this country. And this lady ain't never had to
stand up for one of them. Being black is not
about oh I just do my thing and that's it. No,
if it's a we, we mean something, Pete. Now look

(37:20):
that's why I don't fuck with white people because you
know what most white people don't say. They don't say
we white people. Only the clan say we white people.
The rest of the white people know it's just them.
But every time a brother talk, they say, we well,
we come with responsibilities, Pete. If me and you go somewhere,
if we go somewhere and somebody start kicking up your ass,
because we are together, we gonna stand up for you.

(37:44):
That's what we mean. We don't just mean me and
you where I come from. That's the thing that I
appreciate about this cripping. This cripping has gave me a
sense of responsibility for other human beings, not just myself.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Like there's there's you know, like ways, Like there's phraseologies
that exist in like black dialogue that doesn't exist in
the white dialogue. One of the most common is if
you're in a room full of black people and you
say the community, it has a much different meaning than
if you're.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
White white would you say the community. It doesn't mean anything.
It's just mean it's this square mile area or whatever.
It's just nebulous.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
But you know, black room, the community is the black community.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
That's us.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
And that's my problem when people use the term we
or the community when describing black people, because nigga.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Is just supposed to happen.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
If Barack Obama is a part of we, niggas supposed
to be some shit that just help us, not just
anybody that looked like us, not just somebody that got
this fucked up in this country.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's the point of we. If I get for a
billion dollars, because I'm from Seventh Street.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Crypt Nigga almost gonna say we because I'm supposed to
do shit for them specifically, not just other cryps.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Not just other cryps.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
If I do something for sixties, because it's not like
doing something for the seven. If I do something for
PJ watch Crypt, it's not like doing something for the
seven because that we mean something specifically when we talking.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
About black people.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
And again sough again, back to Kamalain and Trump, like
I can't help but look at how they use it
all with both of these people, Like do I.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Think Trump politics matter?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I think Trump politics honestly are in a losing battle
because America has lost itself. It's gonna be so hard
to get the businesses to come back here. You know
the type of shit. It would take twenty years to
fix that shit, thirty years to fix that shit. They
done sold off all the fucking businesses. So you keep
talking about the business is coming back, but in reality, bro, it's.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And for if I don't care, if you tar off
these companies, they gonna backdoor like I would do.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Because if you have the problem with people believing g somebody,
we have to take the blame on, like businesses are
leaving the state of California and droves just because it's
too hard to sustain the business out here. You're over text.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I'm not disagreemed. But that's the problem with America. America
follows California politics. I don't know if you notice. It's still,
but every this is one of the league leader in
politics in this country. People look at this bottle and
be like, I'm gonna do that business model.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
But the only way, the only way he won't like
they do to a certain extent, like they not messing
with our gun laws. Though you try bringing these gun
laws to the Midwest of the South, it's not happening.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
You agree, Peter, it's gonna be It's going to be tough.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
This is gonna be tough because you in a place
to where they you you in the place. Like my brother,
he'd go to the thrifts, the thrift thing where they
got the guns outside and tables and stuff, and he
might buy two or three pistols, still walk out with
all of his waists and it ain't no problem. Those people.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
People though, don't want to get shot.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Listen, Still every week a nigga is born in this
country every day, every minute. They don't have to translate
it to the older niggas. They'll translate it to the
next generation of niggas. And guess what it'll pass in Ohio. Now,
if you already had your shit, just like in California,
if you already had your shit, your shit cool. But
guess what, the next generation ain't gonna have it. The

(41:31):
next generation ain't gonna happen. The next generation and.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
You look up.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
But I don't want to focus on gun laws because
while the guns is, the conversation is not the most
important part. The whole point of the gun law was
really to fight tyranny, right, to really fight tyranny. But
at the end of the day, let's be honest, my nigga,
if the government come in your house right now, ain't
nothing you and a gun may got two to three
four days max. And that's if you got some real shit.

(41:55):
Like you see what happened in Texas when they was
holding people off that ship last about three four days.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
What was the name of that place, petehere that should.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Have been oh with Waco with the branch to Vidi Ins.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
And they asked some word they are some real.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
That was a while. They tried.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
They tried to like choke them off and bleed them out,
so to speak, like by just not letting them go
shopping for like a month and then what's the what's things?

Speaker 4 (42:18):
We're like, no, we're getting you the fuck out of here.
I think it was like two days.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
So my point is there's no guns in the world
that can hold off Tierney. So I ain't finna have
that argument, which I think no America should be worried
about what's fucking legal in the sake of having a
fucking gun.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
If you're worried about.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
What these people tell you which gun you can have,
you missed the point of the fucking amendment. That's not
the fucking point of the fucking amendment. The point of
the amendment is to get what the fuck you want.
When it comes to guns. It's not about we approve
you getting what you want. So anybody who's a real
gun older that's worried about, well, I need to worry
if if the lass says I can, man, I got

(42:51):
what I got because I got it, nigga, because I
know that this is the spirit of the fucking amendment.
This is the spirit of what they're talking about in
that motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
So I got what I want.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, like you said, and amendment was written with the
sole purpose of it if this government decides to start
cutting up one day, that we can organize and actually
have a fighting chance.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
And you can and you can't.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
And you know yx because first of all, I can't
see I think everyone would be here on some kind
of every man is on his own type of ship. Right.
I don't see nobody rallying. I don't know, nobody is whole.
No military drills on the you know, they are doing
that in some parts of the Midwestern where they get together,

(43:36):
old military drills and all that.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
It ain't about what you can do still, it's about
the ship the government got.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Now this ain't like that ship back then.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, well, I think you know what you could do
that you would have a part of the military that
would actually go against the.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Have to.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
You'd have to do an urban insurgency like like you're
you're thinking of, what's like like like a parallel force model,
like old school conventional battle. You'd have to have organized, encrypted,
plain clothes armed militia types doing micro hits, you know,

(44:19):
by the hundreds of power.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
You're gonna get the only way you can do to understand,
going to the government. Got some ship. Still, they ain't
to be played with. Now, I'm not saying I'm from
the I'm from the school.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
In the instance, in an instance something like that was
to happen, I would just go out, man. I wouldn't
I wouldn't be I wouldn't be drug walked up my house.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Man, I'm gonna walk out and let these people do
what they want to do.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
That over again, so you get slave all over again.
You're not gonna fight for your freedom.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Nobody's trying to enslave you. Dog. What do you mean
do you think it's going like that?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Something's going on if we have to if we have
to go to war, if we got to go to
war with the government, that means they about to do
something crucial. We're not just going to war for the
sake of going to war.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yes you is, Yes you are. You're not thinking Most
people go to war because they're emotional. They're not even
thinking about what's going on.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Nobody.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
It's usually the war is the result. Gee, if it's
just the result of several failed talks, Nobody just says
nobody can wake up now and saying, man, I fuck it,
I'm going to war with this motherfucker. No, it's it's
a lot of conversations.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
That happened back into fucking slavery. Let me ask this
fifth question.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
We asked this fifth question.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Man, you should have just called this show. The questions
from the audience. We ain't talking about no kids.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Not once.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Well, we're gonna change the name to modern day politics.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Question number five.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Both parties are gonna support Israel, but Trump will let
them go ten times harder, according to him, Why should
we want that?

Speaker 4 (46:03):
The argument.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
One of the greatest supporters of don't say nothing negative
about a supporter.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I like, I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I don't I don't know, but I've never I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, I'm like, Mark can get that win. Don't try
to get a no no ceilings supporter route with our peoples.
Go ahead, go ahead, pete.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
That that's that. That that is a very matter of
opinion kind of question.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
I think there's a lot of redeeming traits about Israel,
particularly within the region, especially because like it's.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
You're looking at.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Like Israel and what they do, and a lot of
that conflict here and now has to do with influence
of Iran, which are one of our intelligencies. Just said,
I think Friday, Iran's within less than two weeks of
having weapons grade nuclear material, which means they'll have the

(47:04):
bomb before the end of the summer.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
So that's significant. There's a lot of sway of influence.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
It's a tremendous amount of impact on global economies and
potentially regional wars. So like I think he Donald Trump's
philosophy of trying to box Iran, box Iran out of
treaties in the region to facilitate new leadership within Iran.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Like the Abraham Accords was.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
An expansive treaty between Israel, the might name of Amorus, Egypt,
Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and like one of the other countries
over there. So it's like, well, that's a more peace
and prosperity driven type of thing versus Iran wants a
forcible restructuring of the region type of thing. So that's

(48:00):
you know, kind of what the binary I think really
is when it starts to play out and you see
it in Yemen, you see it in it's the country
Libya is not north of what was a damnunt Lebanon,
you know, above Israel and you and you see it
coming out of Iran, so you know there's there is

(48:22):
some sphere of influence there within regards to that.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Largely it's weird.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
It's like Iran has launched almost a proxy war against Israel.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
To a degree in that they have funded.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
And supplied three military style entities on each side of
Israel and they're trying to fight them off. So it's
and again there's a there's thousands of years of history
with that. There's so much shit involved with that. I
think personally, if you ask me, like I would that

(49:00):
be a good thing? It would be a good thing
if you had an expansive Abraham Accords uh international locally
international policy in that region of the world relative to
a i atoll a vision of that region of the world.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Mm hmm, Well how do you feel about that? Still?
Where are you at with the Israel going against.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
The the people trying to overtake the region?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
What's the name of that? They click the click that
that Israel beefing with.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Iran and.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Know to click beaten with Hamas. It's a clique. Yeah,
you don't even know about it.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I know I do. I've been following it. I think
it's natural to fight oppression. You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I don't think the.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
So like how some people say, you feel like Hamas
is kind of the the wakening of the oppressed people.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
In the region, And that's what I feel. And I
don't even like talking about stuff like this because it's
such a touchy thing. Yeah, but I think it's natural
to fight your oppressiments. I think that it would be
let's say someone came and took over lancash or wherever
you live at right, You not just gonna stay at
prisoner for too long. Eventually somebody is going to figure

(50:31):
some shit out.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
I think from an American standpoint, the real question, like,
there's one singular question that has to be answered clearly,
and it hasn't been answered clearly with regard to Palestinian oppression.
Is Israel oppressing the Palestinians or is Hamas oppressing the Palestinians?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
And there are cases.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I think for years they're gonna say Israel being oppressing
the Palestinians, so that you'll probably lose that they're going
to go back to the fact that they took the
land itself. They got out out, like it's a million
things that you'll probably lose that people. I have that
stance again. It's one of those things where I'm like,
people gonna fight, and like America kind of aligns themselves

(51:18):
with whoever is financially vested in America, like most gangs do,
like most most people do, like most humans do. I mean,
very rarely do we have humans that just you know,
I mean, I think I think in in in I
think we would like to think we're just people that
just want to align ourselves with the correct things to

(51:39):
do as humans. But that's just ain't true. Everybody is
kind of what's more in their interest. Let me align
with the things that are in my interest. So it's
always gonna be hard to to get America away from
trying to have some level of backing for Israel, because
Israel does tons of things for America.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Yeah, And I think.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Also the American worldview that happiness or contentment or whatever
is financially driven is not always so universal.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
You know, some people in the world are much.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
More spiritually driven in their contentment, like that would be
a priority. Like they obviously they would want money, they
want those things, but they would be much they would
more readily concede them on a matter of state, like
religious principle or something like that, whereas Americans are far
less likely to concede money on a matter of any
kind of principle.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Mmm. So you feel like they're more spiritually centered.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Yeah, and like we'll try to export you know, an
American you know, list of values in the order as
we perceive them to be valuable in other places of
the world. And they go, wait, you guys got God
third money first? No, God first money there however it
might be.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
If it's a church or a school or whatever. All
we think that might be a spot where they're doing
is so they just go, It's like that shit is sad.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Bro, But it's tough, man.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
It's like, that's why they make it a war crime
to put military installations in certain type of places.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I mean, if you if you really think about.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
It, Like, my heart wants to side obviously with the
oppressed people, right, But then there's a reality of like, uh,
once we start fighting, nigga is on. You kick off
a fight its own, and you can't tell people how

(54:26):
to fight. You know, this ain't boxing, it's a fight.
Sometimes a fight breaks out in boxing. But a boxing
match is a lot different than a fight. And you know,
once we start fighting, I'm looking for you and I
can't find you.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Anybody who fucked with you? Is fair play? M I mean?
And it's fucked up. I mean, it's fucked up.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
They have those humanitarian zones out there, I guess, zones
that are supposed to be kind of like, Okay, we're
not gonna do no fighting there. They just changed it
up and just said y'all gotta leave. Didn't give the
people no time to evacuate, nothing, not. You know, they
didn't even have sufficient lead time to go somewhere. It's like,
this shit is crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, But if it's one motherfucker hiding there and y'all
let one motherfucker hide there, got a problem, you know
what I'm saying that. And this is where like world
politics make a lot of sense on this gangster shit.
You know what I'm saying, Like, I get it, I
get it, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
And most human beings kind of are pussy, you know
what I'm saying, Like not not, I'm not insulting them
like they just would get fucked. They'd be like I
ain't gonna fight, I'm just get fucked, like right, that's
not a standard for all, you know, human beings. Some
human beings go get busy, So I kind of stay
out of they shit, because even knowing the gest of it,

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the only thing that I know.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
For sure is the initial story.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Of taking somebody's land and then making it your land
is crazy. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying. But
now once a fight start, man.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
And like with that, I'm still not one thousand percent
clear because I forget what England's role at the time
was in the region, if it was actually British land,
or if they just had a lot of influence with Egypt.
But I'm always kind of like fascinated by like Israeli

(56:25):
Jews didn't come down and conquer it, you know what
I mean. It was taken and they were told come
over here, you know what I'm saying. And it was
previously like I guess, which you could define as Egyptian territory.
So if you're Palestinian and you're living under the Egyptian
flag because they never had a country, and Egypt brokers

(56:46):
a deal to give part of their land to those people,
and you happen to be there. I'm surprised that they
aren't equally as mad at Egypt.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Well, I think all of the motherfuckers is to blame.
I think you can't displace humans. But again, man, some
of these things to me are common sense, and you like,
people aren't really living a human experience, they really live
in a godly rule over other motherfucker like money first experience,
and people aren't thinking. So I don't even want to

(57:19):
get into that because that shit pisses me off and
it makes me want to start hurting people.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Know what I'm saying, It's just because people really need
to be hurt. It's just.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I just felt like, I feel like it's so many
I feel like it's so many emotions in these conversations
when it comes to politics, and I can't really have
them with most people because like, I'm just gonna have
the conversation raw, Like if I align with my enemy,

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because like politically we are in the same space, I
would still align there.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Maybe Like let's say, if black people in this.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Country they are conservative, right, or they were conservative for
years but then the Klan was over there, Well, I'm
gonna make the black concert.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I'm gonna make my own thing.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
But I'm not going to side with somebody that the
values I don't align with. You feel me just to
be opposite of somebody else that I'm not fucking with.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I don't even if I.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Don't fuck with the Klan or the most racist crackers
in the world, that's not gonna stop me. If these
are my beliefs, now, maybe I can challenge my beliefs.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Now.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
If people are challenging their beliefs because they believe the
same thing that.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
The Klan believe, Okay, fine, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
But if you're gonna challenge your belief but they go on,
they become friends with the enemies or the ideal of
the enemy of their enemy, right, and still have the
same mind state over there. And it's so really, you
just stuck in the middle of no fucking man's land,
you and no man's land because you kind of masking
yourself as a liberal, right, you want to mash yourself

(58:57):
as this, but you really don't align with that, and
then later on you start talking and you can't make
sense of it because it was never something logical to
make sense of. I watched, like I said, my dad
and different people who do not have liberal views at all.
Like they'll try to act like, well, you know, I
don't care what know what the humans do. I'm living
my life. You're fucking lie you all and everybody else's business.

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You care about everything going on, You notice everything that's happened.
You notice everything that's happening, but you allied to try
to look like you down with them.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
You just as fucked up as the people you don't
agree with.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Well, I think the average black person is really conservative.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, that's what I just said.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yeah, you know my mom and dad are they conservative,
and they they don't like nobody. Oh why are they
allowed to do this and do that? They and everybody
else's business. But again, it was just.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
They don't want to be with the Klan.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
They'd be like, I'm Democrat, I'm liberal. It's like that
is crazy, And that is pretty much the current state
of you know, of black people in America, you know
what I mean. And that's kind of why a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Lot of blacks don't vote because they know it's some bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Because again it's the same thing. They really conservative in nature,
right by nature, they're conservative, but they don't want to
align with the Klan because they know the Klan is
over here with these motherfuckers too, so they act like
they overhear so they.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Want to be down, but they really be looking at
the liberal people crazy like why would you let them
teach them that shit at school? And the liberal people
looking at them like this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
What we own, Like you can't be a black person
that's thinking you a liberal and you're apart from the Klan,
but you don't want your kids to learn about transgender shit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
This is a cornerstone of their ideology.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Yeah, I think like you don't get a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Twisted this motherfuckus from the Klan and the Democratic Party.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
Too, Yeah, because most of them are broken welfare and
they either yeah they're not. They're not high achievers at
this point in time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
This is our point though. Still they the same motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Like the same people, same exact people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah, I mean, like my conservative is a white man,
a middle aged white man from Markasol.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
A liberal is a middle aged white woman from New York.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Same motherfuckers. They marry and they argue over the table
all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Yeah, yeah, this is what I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
To be.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
Like, I have like zippo, like zero emotion and polities
like nothing sure, you know, and like my assessment in
so far as how it pertains to live typical Black
America or like average media, how you want to describe it,
is that just to just to try to sort of
answer some of these guys questions, like all at once,

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I understand, like I understand this, just this certain decisions,
I get that, like that makes sense to me. Do
I necessarily think it's like the best practice decision? Not
always sometimes, but not always. I think there's a gap
between assessing a decision as is that the best decision
you can make?

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Or but can you still make sense of decision?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
So oftentimes you can still make sense a decision and
say it's not the best maybe the best decision.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
But I think the one thing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
The one move that I feel like, as a voter
block black American needs to do is become a free agent.
You can't vote ninety ten for one party for sixty
years and expect to get fucking anything. And you can
see this in real time playing out by the way
that political parties are bending over backwards trying to appeal

(01:02:43):
to for the Latin vote because it's no one knows
where they're gonna go, you know, saying just for the
sake of being able to have some leverage because in
the margins, even if it was a low voter turnout,
stuff's getting decided by a few points. So Black America
has enough votes to swing a few points one way

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or another.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
You just have to you just have to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Like it's it's impossible that it's totally fiction to say that,
but that's what has to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Because you can't get the white vote, you can't get
the brown vote, the yellow vote is small enough to compact.
The black vote is just in different thoughts, and really,
if there's one black vote, right, the only thing black people,
the number one thing black people in America, not just
people that racially we call black, Like you know, your

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mom or your dad somewhere has African lineage and Dotada
and somewhere, and no, if you in this country and
you your family came through the Transatlantic slave trade, the
one thing we should be telling everybody else, including a Kamala,
including a Donald Trump or anybody else's the number one

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thing is you owe us reparations or no more movement.
And if there's no movement, then you shouldn't have shit
to say that's the enough that one thing you cannot
fix the black life in America. That is the right
thing to do. That's the first thing you need to
do with your vote.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Is get that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
And if you're not gonna get that, nothing else matter.
If they're gonna do something that's gonna benefit single white women.
When they say minorities or endangered out out Americans, single white.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Women fall into that. I don't want that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
I need something specifically because single white women weren't slaves
on a plantation. They were slaves inside the mansion at
least if they were slaves. But I'm saying we need
to fix this. This is the one thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
That the vote really needs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
You want to put a black American people correct, pay
the money you fucking oh simple.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
That's the only thing that should be moving black votes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Nothing else really matters, Pete, because outside of that, we
become American.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Outside of that, every thing else, it's standard. That one thing.
Because this country.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Said we can buy and sell people that look like
you for two three hundred years, right, that's the one
thing that matter. Because of the Transatlantic slave trade since
the sixteen hundreds going TODA eighteen hundred, because of Jim Crow,
for these many years and all this oppression.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
That's the only thing that the black vote should be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
You not whoever is going to give us reparations every time.
If they don't give us reparations, give us something specifically.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Get America has broke off everybody that they've done wrong
in the past. They have some kind of program for
everybody that they've you know, all these many atrocities that
they've committed, They've done something for every group. I'm not
gonna get the name of the group because I don't
need nobody get mad, you know, but we need to
get ours, man. And that's a line that we need

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to be pushing. We said, now, you're just complain about
so much other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Let's talk about the bread. I don't need white people
to fix crime. I don't need I don't need Trump
to fix crime. I don't need Trump to fix the
business of America. That's not Pete needs Trump to fix
the business of America. Glasses needs Trump to pay what
the fuck you owe?

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
That's it. Can you you know money, need what you owe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I don't give a fuck if this set this country back,
and pay what you owe, because you know what they
just gave how.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Much money did they give to those cats over in
the Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I don't give a fuck what they give them cats.
I'm saying, pay what you owe.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
To me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
If thet to vote, the only thing that they should
be voting, I said again for this election, the only
thing we should be vote for is the motherfucker that's
gonna pay what they owe. Okay, you know what. I
can't get you reparations, But look if you can. If
you are the descendant of a slave that came through
the Transatlantic slave trade through those two three hundred years
and your family had to deal with Jim Crow, you

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know what you gonna get this. Not minorities like I
remember I heard I got on charlap Maine. I heard
Kamala say something like, well, I'm not doing that's gonna
just benefit black people.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Ain't that a bitch?

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Slavery just fucking affected black people were the only nigga
that could be slaves.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Irish people slaves for two days they got that shit off.
They couldn't be slaves.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
No more so if this directly affected motherfuckers like me,
then this shit only benefit motherfuckers like me. Stop fixing
shit by fixing the bottom because you're not fixing nothing
because there's more white people at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
And that was my fault. They didn't get it. They
didn't get slaves when they could have got them. That's
stay fucking for me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Well, you know what, g I'm gonna tell you something,
and I'm trying to find a way the word that
I'm really struggling with a way to word it without
offending nobody. But other groups know how to use are
aimed better than we do. All most I see a
lot of other groups getting benefited. You know, if you notice,

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you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Right, every everybody gets Everyone who's bad is equated to Hitler,
and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
That's bad is equated to slavery.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
So so it's like, man, you got some groups that
just know how to We don't ask, we don't We
need to stop asking. We need to demand stuff, we
need to stay. I almost wish that we don't need
to be in place with the presidency is you should
have to sell the contract.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
We need to demand one thing, any one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Their promising stuff. It's a lot of people to get
over from broken promises. Every time this happens, right every election.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
There's no cost there's no political cost.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
But you know what the problem I'm saying, you just
think if they had to sign a contract saying, Okay,
you said you were going to give them, mom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Let's let's get off of the imaginary land.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Let's focus, because the imaginary land, they're gonna sign something,
say they're gonna do what they said they was gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
That just ain't gonna happen. Nameing politics, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Know what it is politics a bunch of people saying
coming together, and Jay Z understanding, and Beyonce understanding, and
Oprah understand and Barack understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
The one thing that everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
That came from the Transatlantic slave trade that they want
is reparations. That should be the only thing. That's the
only thing that should be on our ticket. Nothing else,
nothing else. It shouldn't be nothing else on our ticket,
because at the end of the day, everything else is
just standard American politics out of abortions ain't more important.

(01:09:24):
They even made abortions more important to reparations. You hear
sisters talk about fucking a boy, hey, shut the fuck up. Reparations.
You hear motherfuckers talk about crimes, Shut the fuck up.
You know where to stop motherfuckers from committing crimes, you know,
when it wasn't a lot of crimes happened to Pete
during the pandemic when everybody got some fucking money, crime
went down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Pay people what you rested, women, pay people what you own.
It's not that deep.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
That's the one thing that And I'm mad because I
know then, I know, Charlotte, they are not going to
tell this fucking lady, this is the one thing that
you should be saying if you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Want our votes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Right now, every motherfucker that looked like me that's in
America is giving away the vote just because this motherfucker
got skinned that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Looked like ours.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
Oh, there's never an or else.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
I'm not giving a vote. I enjoy Trump's antics. I
I I don't care about to be the fucking president.
It doesn't even matter to me because the only thing
that matters to me is who's going to give up
the rep And.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
If nobody gonna give up reparations, I won't be voting.
That's my mentality. I'm not voting.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Huh Trump ever talked about reparations?

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
No, why the fuck you don't have to because guess what,
it's motherfucker's giving in the vote for nothing. Motherfucking We
got the loudest mouth in America. If whoever we start
screaming for it, they usually get the job.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Shit starts to happen. If if, if our powers that be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
If somebody asked me, it was like glasses, you know,
you don't put as much pressure on Trump as.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
You would Kamala. And I'm like, I'm not voting for
Trump no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
And lets Trump say reparations, but I'm also not voting
for somebody because they.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Look like me. Without reparations, Nigga, the weed comes. I
didn't even have to ask Kamalin. It shouldn't even be
a thought.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
She they're supposed to be trying to pete, people supposed
to be trying to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Her because she gonna make it right the niggas in
this country. She's supposed to be automatic hypothetical question.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Bro, Let's say America said, okay, just to you know,
get this ugly stained off of our off of our history,
We're going to give every African American quarter million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Would somebody said, I think you need to get to
wreak in the right minds that fuck with math and
peting them in there and and and calculate the balance.

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
Hinted my vision and for that being able to work
and being able to work effectively for people not to
be pissed about it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
You know, I think it's a good idea. I still
stand by the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Idea I think. And my thing is, Pete, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
One think I was around when you say that, but
refreshment works.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
It was maybe you were because court was on.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
I think that rather than giving a cash lump sum
that would shock the economy, you give specific federal land
resource rights, so like oil drilled on federal land, minerals,
rare minerals, timber, all those kind of things would have
proceeds specifically as it's as it would be, then government

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assets and then and then the capital yields of those would.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
Go to black people. That way, I think that would
be how I would do it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
But I think normal white people should be paying to
because normal white people benefit from slavery.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
I think text, yeah, oh know, if I agree with that, Pete,
my nigga, I'll give you this little money back, but
kicking in nigga because you get a fit the banks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
She ain't nobody going for that. You just try and
never get the bill passed. Nobody just go go for
their pockets getting here to the government.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
They benefit when they go to the bank. They benefited
from all this ship that this country was able to build.
They benefit from it. Everybody you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Know, if they are human, they know what I'm saying
is true.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Pete know what I Pete just don't want to pay
the money because Pete, do you agree people? No, he
doesn't agree. I don't need Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
I don't agree with those I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Man, Yes you should, because everybody in this country benefits
from what slavery did for this country. So yes, Pete
should find a black person that he know and contribute
a bare minimum to that person. Every white person in
this country should pay a bare minimum to black people,

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not just any not Kamalin.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Shout out to Kamala, Not that type of black person.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Beat not the Barackus, the glasses, the steels, the niggas
who really had it that built this country, the people family.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
That's fair. It's not I'm not asking for too much.
I'm not listening when they gotta pay every other test,
they gotta pay every other test. It's just fair. It's
fair if.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
You benefit, if you got a bank account. You should
pay because you know how the bank got in power
through slavery. You know how America was built through slavery.
Especially you live in the South. Oh, you should pay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Should pay. If you wear cotton in your fucking clothes,
you should pay. It's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
So there's like, what.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
Two hundred and twenty million white people in the country.
So I was trying to think, like math wise, like
a one time foul would be two hundred and twenty billion.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
That over forty million is like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
It is not I'm not asking for too much. Still,
I'm not asking for too much. This ain't for too
This ain't too much, dog, this is not too much.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
I think it has to be more than just money
because we so far behind. I think it would be
a combination. That should be a combination of cash, tax exemption.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Is PETE resources, it's people in this culture, but it's people.
But it's people in this country still who are like
I would have PETE working on it. It's people in
this country who know how to add up what should
be paid.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I let them added up. But what I'm saying is
there is not a motherfucker breathing air. We should be
voting for.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
There's not a money. I can enjoy all the politics.
I enjoy Trump's antics. Ah Man, that nigga's funny. I
like Kamala with all y'all funny. That's just TV.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Your motherfuckers is just tea the until you pay what
you owte.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
I'll say this much.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
I would be willing to bet if there was a
like and I mean a gargantulan like vote abstaining protest
effort by Black America and Trump walked away winning by
like that difference, by like eight million popular votes or

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whatever the hell it was. You you wouldn't see the
Democrat Party lip service apparatus look like it's looked the
last forty years.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
That free agent conversation, though, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
If Black America voted fifty to fifty, they'd be getting
shit all the time, no matter who was in charge,
because it's so fucking narrow.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
I agree, you know, I mean, right right now.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Illegals for the idea that they might vote later get more.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Shit than you guys get.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
That's true. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm
authentified as independent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
I put crip on minds other crip.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
But all I'm saying dog is that's the only thing
that black people should agree on. And the problem is,
I think wealthy black people don't agree on it enough,
and I think that's why everybody else is selling out
the rest of the movement.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
They're selling out the rest of the movement for silly shit.
I'm not voting for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
I don't care if it's an ald white man or
a young black woman like they said, because if her black.
Don't mean if I was a president, we'd be getting
reparationist because I'm black. If black people they black people.
When you say black, that means you know they owe
niggas money. If you don't know that they owe niggas money,
you not black. That shit sounds fucked up. But if

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you don't know that they owe niggas money, that this
country old niggas money.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
You are not black. In the back of your mind,
you like, well, I can't just do nothing for them.
You not black.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
It's just funny.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
The cadence of that sounds like almost a perfect like
quote correction of the like famous Joe Biden.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
If you don't know what you're voting for Joe Biden
and you ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Black, No, No, Joe was on that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Joe got that free vote, Trump got a free vote,
Barrock got two sets of free votes. Everybody getting man,
fuck Barack if he didn't get a reparations. I don't
give a fuck about none of the other shit. Are
you a nigga and you don't make sure niggas get this?
How is that not the biggest thing you got going on?
Because you ain't one of us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
I don't think the president can just go in there
and just say we just get approval for it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
You got to get approval.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Then.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Why is everybody scared.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Of a federal budget?

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
Shit'll happen real quickly when your veto the federal budget.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
I'm not just that you black and you get up
in here and you just get to be black. That's
that's because it ain't no we do what you're supposed
to do. Man hand to your business. I don't get
to call myself a dad if I ain't taking care
of my kids.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Everybody won't respect the title.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
If you don't take care of Chris, if you don't
take care of your daughter, your stefan you and can't
call yourself or daddy'll we'll laugh your ass out the room.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
You are dad, that's like saying you black.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
It's free, nigga, what you're doing for you know, the
one thing that matter in this country the most are
black people that got us fucked up as we are
behind because they didn't pay for the work.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Make sure they pay. It's more pressure on you if
you black.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
If you say you black, that come with responsibility. Still
in our lifetime, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Doing the same shit that white people and you shouldn't
be getting our votes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
You definitely shouldn't be getting our votes if you black
doing the shit glasses.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Let me ask you this, do you think it's gonna
happen in our lifetime?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
No cause representation.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
I'll say this much.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
If you start to see a very real conversation about reparations,
that means they're preparing to dump the currency.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
They're looking out for. Tuning in too the No Sellers Podcast.
Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, commentist share. This
episode was recorded right here on the West Coast of
the USA and produced by the Black Effect Podcast Network
and Noheart Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yeah

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