BONUS* Glasses Vs The Blog Era

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(01:06):
Let me think, what's the topic. Well, it's not really
a topic. One thing about streaming is like, it ain't
really about sticking to topics. You know, we stream enough
to do daily topics, but you know, I try not
to get caught up in that for the lunch table,

(01:27):
I mean, shout out to the lunch table. Fast down, Fatima,
thank y'all for coming. Shariz, Derek Ruffian, you know what
I'm saying. I know, Squish somewhere right there, Squiz, I'm
so proud of y'all. I had checked that shit out again.
That was dope. But it's like to be great, it's

(01:48):
a level of delusion that has to set in. Either
you gotta be Hella diluted or you gotta be Hella
like stealing. You gotta take shit, I mean, and you
gotta really depend on other people's ignorance, not not not
off of that. That's not what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
not off of that, like like somebody like the man
who stole McDonald's. Yeah he took the idea. No no,

(02:13):
it wasn't an idea, study paid for it. No he didn't.
Kind of whooped him, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like it's a level of delusion, like you you
almost have to be so certain. Yesterday was really hard
for me. Yesterday, like a lot of things, Like I
was looking through the puff trial shout out to it's

(02:37):
a dope, It's a dope. Twitter page. Let me see
the name of this Twitter page. Uh, it's a dope
Twitter page. The Twitter page is called hold on, damn it.

(03:02):
Forgive me. I'm sorry. I hate to do this. I
should have had this prepped up. I know happens all
the time. You see something all the time, you look
and it's funny because I retreated a point of time.
It's been running the transcripts live of Puff's trout Inner
City Press. Shout out to Inner City Press. People ain't
been giving him as props, but Inner City Press is

(03:24):
covering all of the press conferences the transcript in real time,
like so you don't get the highlights. Because the thing
about you know, hip hop or media that covers hip
hop sometimes is they'll give you the highlight, Like a
highlight just went where they was talking about Cassie sleeping

(03:45):
with Puff and then the husband that she with right
now while they was together, they was already together, and
she faced him while they were sleeping together. She the
husband face timed her, and they'll give you that highlight.
And that's like, you know, that's very captive, you know
what I mean? That will really mess with your mind
and you'll be stuck in there and trying to judge
a court case from like a slam dump like this thing,

(04:08):
even though that particular.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Thing from a headline or something.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, like a headline. So what I did was I
started following Inner City Press on Twitter to keep up
with the whole transcript, so I'm not getting part of it.
And I would recommend that to anybody at the lunch table,
anybody listening to this stream or this podcast when it
goes live, you know what I mean. On the feed,

(04:33):
go to Twitter, follow Inner City Press, keep up with
the details. Like it's too many of us judging things
based off of the highlights. We don't judge the details, like,
let's be involved, right, And yesterday was really hard for
me for a multitude of reasons. Right, I'm reading this,
so now I'm looking at lawyering. I'm looking at Lawyering

(04:58):
a lot like story looking at it, like looking at it,
but I'm reading what's going on, and it helped me
figure out something couldn't figure out, how are they pitching
this rico? And what I realized was right. And you

(05:24):
have the traditional two views. You see see somebody that
puff assaulted and he did these things to her, and
then you have the other view, right, which is like, oh,
she's involved. Why is she's not that much she wanted
to participate. Neither of those things matter in the court case.
It's a rico charge. And then it helped me see it,

(05:46):
and I was telling trap, I was like, oh no,
she Sammy the Bull and Puff's John Gotti. The rico
is based around the thought of a web like a brothel. Right,
So if he has cast he going out to pick
prostitutes or pay prostitutes, or telling assistants to fly prostitutes

(06:06):
in this is this really chicken shit way of trying
to prove trafficking. Right, If Cassie is calling the drug
man or telling the assistant to call the drug man
at the behest of puffs, you know what I mean, orders,
she's more like his capo if she's witnessed his crime, right,

(06:26):
if she's been a victim of his crime, right where
he assaulted her. Because you have to make it look violent,
you have to, yeah, and a rico it has to
be violent. So the violence is, oh, you see kick
my ass, here's a video. Oh he kicked my ass
a couple times. Now it comes across violent. Oh he
said he was going to blow a kid. He said,
Kick Cutty car would be blew up. Kid cutting his

(06:47):
car got blew up. They meet up with kid Cuddy,
you know what I mean, and Ki Cutty asked about
his car. So now, oh he left one of the
freak offs right to go meet Sugar at Male's Diner
to fight Sugar night. That's the rico charge, and it's
chicken shit because that's not what a rico was meant.
Even though it fits the letter, that's not why they

(07:09):
created the rico charge. They have enough to charge Puff
with crimes. The problem is they could have never charged
John Gottie with a crime. There was no crime of
charging with they needed the rico charge. They didn't need
the rico charge with Puff. So just looking at the storytelling,
that was one thing that I realized, I'm like, damn,
I see what they trying to do. So the way

(07:31):
I look at it, I thought the defense should do
something specifically, like they need to frame it like this
man is doing all this stuff on drugs. But I
think what they're trying to do is they're trying to
make Cassie a participant on her own. Get what I'm saying, Like,
oh no, she was into this, so she called these people.
It wasn't just at the behest of Puff. This is

(07:53):
a woman trying to please you know, blah blah blah.
But remember she is also an employee of Bad Boy.
So I see how they're proven the corrupt, the influence
the organization. But now I need to see how could
they prove the racket part of it, which is the
for profit part of a RICO charge?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So you think they covered the corruption.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, they got the corrupt I mean, but then it's
up to his team to defend, you know what I'm saying.
They to defend, like they have to make her look
like some of these ideas is stuff she's just into,
you know what I mean, Like, it's not always at
the behease of Puff. That's why they're asking her questions

(08:37):
to kind of soil her reputation, you know what I mean. Like, No,
this girl was into it too. She's a big fan
of it. She led some of these things. So they
did prove influence and they are proven corrupt. So I
see how they are attacking the prosecutors case influence of
what crimes to be committed. Yes, because if Puff tells
her to charge call a prostitute or or or tell

(08:58):
her assistant to fly process to it out here. That's
the trafficking charge. If if if, if Couz tells Cassie
ain't called a d boy right to bring the drugs
for the party three crime, it shouldn't be. That's not
what Rico was meant. That's not the spial saying like,
but if it's the letter, but that's crazy with the

(09:23):
letter because it's not complete. Well, if it's a letter,
it's just missing complete, it's missing the R.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's just saying if it's complete, then that might be
a different understanding. But but but but that's not the point.
They fit the eye, the C and the O. But
they could go get them for they could go get
them for promoting prostitution. But that but they do have
in charge with traffic, which is not promoting prostitution.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Not I thought it should be solicitation.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
You know, even that I thought to put it, and
not even just the trafficking charge by itself, what traffic?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I hear you. I'm sorry, I can't. I could barely
hear you. Damn again, that's not you. That's where he had.
It's my fault. It's not your right to say what
you say right now.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Now, I wasn't saying that making sure you'd hear me
unless you got it.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
So shout out to Barbie. Hey, y'all, have a great
show in my casie voice. Good luck, love you to death,
good luck. Long story short, right if you do.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
You think if they were to tried to charge them
with the actual individual crimes, they felt it wasn't enough time.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's what it is. That's where I think the injustice
is so and now that's how I felt about R Kelly.
I see where the injustice is. All I'm asking for
is justice. I'm not a person yelling free R Kelly.
I'm saying R Kelly should be fighting seven to fifteen years.
You cannot judge people morally and then try to sense
its like you definitely can't let the government try to

(10:56):
sentence black people morally. They are not in the position
to do that. So that's the frustrating part about these conversations,
getting people off of this fake ass moral high horse.
You know, I mean, oh, he shut the fuck up.
Make them people treat us fair, stand up even for
the worst of us. It should be fair. And here's

(11:17):
another example where we said something at the beginning when
it first started, and I was telling Trap, I'm like,
this ain't right, like these are they're trumping up the ideas.
It's creative lawyery, they're trumping up the idea, Trap.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Bro, Yeah, you think it's right, nah, Man, Like, like
I was, I was watching this early. I was listening
to it earlier, and they definitely overcharging them, you know
what I'm saying. Within that right there, they not They
not charging them with the right crime. And it just
it just seemed like it just seems like a circus. Man.

(11:51):
They just seemed like a whole big old charging this
man within him and his girlfriend having freaky sexual activities
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Man like that.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, I don't think it's right at all. I don't
think it's I think it's I think it's it's so
I've never seen it so be so obvious that this
is not the reason be. You know what I'm saying,
It's not to be. It's bigger reasons than that though,
to say that's.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
My next question was to Glasses that what you think
is the bigger picture?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I mean, I think the science systemic oppression matters in
this country, you know what I mean? I think I
think there was a situation where he'd then pissed off
some other people with some money and they friends with
the system. I mean again, like I remember telling my homeboy,
many like that Godfather and gang bang is the same.
The Godfather is no different than a gang baker flip
and his one of his main stances was like, it

(12:41):
ain't like that, it ain't that scummy. They get to
mess with politicians. I'm saying, that's because they're white men. Bro,
It's not because they're like a better grade of criminal.
They're white. They can assimilate into white America. And it
hit the same thing like that money. All of them
people tied in. Trump is just tight end with the mafia.
He is with the government. They are all tied in

(13:02):
because money mess with money. Trap.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
You know to me when when I'm looking at this
from a bigger picture, you know, and I believe in
three hundred and sixty degrees and stuff that things always
come back in certain ways. This is just now a
new version of modern day lynching, modern day hanging. You
know what it is in the public everybody get to
say and get there now.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
This is what mad bad about R Kelly. This is
why niggas think I'm tripping, and I'm like, bro, look
at the details. Stop looking at the fake moral sense,
Stop looking at the fake morality that you're doing. Look
at the details. It still should be fair. I don't
give a fuck about nothing else. Make them treat black

(13:47):
people fair because they gonna do. They gonna do theyself
all the favorites. I just want it fair, even for
the worst of us. Even if R Kelly is this okay,
charging with the statutoryes charge him with everything. That's why
is he fighting a rico charge. Did nothing about R
Kelly was for a profit nothing. You couldn't sleep with
his girls, sex trafficking. That's a push, but cool the

(14:11):
man act like people not looking at the details. They
having these moral stands, and then they just letting them
lynch black people. Would they did the same thing that
black people back then, So they were just hang black
man by trees. They said, no, he looked at this
white woman. That's what they said. They said that little
boy looked at this white woman. That's why they did

(14:32):
that to him. So, yes, that was probably black people
at that time, Like, you know, you shouldn't be looking
at white women, bro, that's not the point, and it's
so frustrating because it's like people challenging somebody like me
with moral integrity, Like you know, yesterday, I had to realize, bro,
I had to realize why certain homies, certain people in

(14:52):
the industry didn't fuck with me like they would Like
Puff would bow to me. He could see me and listen,
he would see me and bow to me. No, Lie,
I'm not exaggerating, like he just knew I was the
shit with this shit, but he never truly built that
far because I'm not a part of the lifestyle. You
know how many circles I've been xed out in this
business because I don't get hot, drink or do dope,

(15:16):
like not xed out like they want the worst for
me or nothing good gonna happen for me, but they like,
we just don't want this nigga around while we're doing this.
People that could have benefited and helped and just won't
because they like, Yo, this nigga. They feel like I'm
going to judge them or some other shit, Like all
of this shit is shit. I realized yesterday, like I've
realized my friends. I realized some of my friends got

(15:40):
closer because they do drugs but they not looking like, man,
this is the hommy that helped us, we should help him.
Like all of this is real and yesterday I realized
it all in the poly of bricks to go with
the cor what you mean by have to go with
all I'm saying. I'm saying all of this stuff is

(16:00):
happening yesterday, Like I just download a bunch of information.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
So if you feel like that you ain't learning wrong
with the little puff puffing fill in with the crowd,
then man, you know what I'm saying, that's it.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
You know what I'm saying, Like Chap got mothers against driving, pissed.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know what I'm saying, Like you know what I mean?
But nah, like I was sunny within that though it's
not more so that I feel like the people you
speak of that that don't want to it just be
I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Know, it's not it's not personal personal. They just like, yeah,
well this ain't how gg am. So this is it's
like a very lonely thing, you know what I mean.
It's lonely, bro. So it's like tough. So I have
to I'm learning all of this. So like when I'm
looking at somebody, like even right now, when I was

(16:56):
beating this drum on Puff, when I'm beating this drum
on R. Kelly. It's so obvious to me. But it's
only obvious because of the details. I'm not buying. Oh
he married a Leah. That wasn't illegal. Is it weird? Sure,
but it's not illegal. That's something different that not charging
for that. They charged you for that. I wouldn't say
nothing when they charged Bill Cosby, I didn't say ship

(17:18):
because they charged him fair, I don't think so, but
it was fair. They didn't. They didn't imagine him. They
are hearing Rico and say, we're gonna give you the
rest of his life they can put They didn't. They
gave him a couple of days. The men die in there.
He been home. Oh, it's not.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
That much time. For a minute, Oh, I wouldn't be
They gave r Kelly twelve years. You know what, ship
you know, you commit them crimes?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Cosby off the back.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Door, huh he definitely did.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
No, no, no, no, yeah, he didn't get that much time.
Same with Puff. If Puff was fighting five to twelve years,
some assaults even chomped up trafficking. Okay, cool, whatever, you
got your thing going nigga, you gotta be okay with that,
oh Rico, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
You said, somethbout economic lynching? What you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
They just chopped the money down to every.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Other that they think they can't control or something. They
just chop their money down.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
No, I think what happens is the brothers be acting
like they cool until they get some money, and then
they try to be brothers in the face of money,
and that money is theirs, and that money is.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
There, so they chop it down to get it back.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
You know what I thought of though, when it came
to this whole situation, the way shit, the way shit
going around in the music game, man, that shit about
to change, man Like, just like the whole outlook that
it got on it because Puff been probably doing that
shit for what, let you say about twenty years.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Thirty years. They didn't give a Puff credit for doing this.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I know, I know, I need to go to Puff's party,
But again, this is my point.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Morality changes every thirty years. One hundred years ago. R
Kelly Mary and a girl that's fifteen is no big deal.
That's as normal as breathing air. In the nineteen thirties,
in the nineteen four in the nineteen fifties, in the
nineteen countries, right now, it's normal in this country. But
again because there's a false sense of morality of people

(19:26):
looking into it or looking at it. To me, it's
just not my lifestyle. But still charge him fair, Still
charge him fair. That's a fucking fact. It's not my opinion,
it's a fact.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Fair.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
You didn't do this to your people. You didn't do
this to Elvis, you didn't do this to none of
these other fucking people. Don't do our people like that.
The fact that everybody black ain't getting that is fucking irritating.
That shit drives me crazy, and I'm starting to realize
how full of fucking shit people are. Man. I ain't

(20:03):
never drank shit. The fact that niggas even think on
any level that I'm a gag banker, that they can
match me morally, Nigga, you have no motherfucking clue. Every
sacrifice I've made in this life to retain being me
and true to God, none cripping, and all niggas can't
even go through a week without trying to alter their

(20:24):
mind state. Nigga, to disconnect, How you wanna talk to me?
About morality. Hell is wrong with you, nigga. You a
coward And that's how I see. No, don't worry, I'm
a hypocrite. Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I'm a hypocrite. Trap I'm a hypocrite because I always
smoke weed. But I'll be looking at motherfucker's drinking and
doing all them drugs, say like, what the fuck are
you doing all that? But I smoke weed. I'm a hypocritic.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's not about that. I'm not knocking that. I'm just
saying for people to act like they have some moral
righteous staying and the question my morality is crazy, Like
you're not in it, Like Farah Khan told Mike Wallace,
you're not in any moral position. So like, if I'm
telling you something about r Kell, you better listen to
what the fuck I'm saying. Stop trying to look right,

(21:11):
Look at what I'm saying. This is a brother that
they mistreating. Look he fuck what he did. If Puff
hit Cassie, charging for hitting Cassie just because he hit Cassie, bitch,
it ain't cool to give him a rico. And you
got to stop the false sense of morality in your
fucking head. That's made you think, well, he hit her,
and you know me hit well, shut the fuck up
charging for hitting women, because that's how you would do

(21:34):
everybody else in this country. Don't find the matters to
fuck us over. Can we get some likes before we
counsel today. Don't do it to mess us up. Please,
don't do it to mess us up? Why we always
the victim? Why we always? Why do black people always
be cool? Because with them doing shit fucked up to us,

(21:54):
they ain't fucked up every shit They got gray slam
popping right now. But you okay with them overcharging niggas?
You think you Moraley being right? You a fucking piece
of ship, And that ship just fucks with me every
time when I'm talking to my homewoys and they think
they just that shit fucks with me like like yesterday, Man,
it was rough yesterday, whole evening it was rough, and

(22:17):
it was only in my mind, bro, it was only
in my mind. King, No, lie, don't motherfucker talking to
me about some punk ass ship. Man. I don't give
a fuck what he did with that nigga come or
what he did charging fare because you gonna do your
people like that, you ain't gonna do your people like that.
Don't do my people like that. I'm gonna fuck how

(22:38):
much a piece of shit. I don't drink like Puff,
I don't smoke like Puff. I'm not a swinger like Puff.
I'm not a dope thing like Puff. I'm not none
of that like Puff. But I still want you to
treat my brother fair. What the fuck is wrong with that? Well? Trap?
What's wrong with it?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I'm not saying R. Kelly shouldn't go to jail,
and I'm saying bill cognition. I'm saying, just be fair.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I ain't gonna hold As I was watching them these.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Kelly got his hands slapped, and.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
No, I think Daddy's moved on. If the hand one
of them fifteen year old girls, sixty your girls, Daddy
blew his head off, I wouldn't have nothing to say, because, nigga,
this will come with the territory. I'm not okay with
the white folks economics. Because you won't do your own
people like that, You you ain't getting nothing. So if something,

(23:35):
if one of them girls, Daddy came and shot him,
I wouldn't say nothing. Shake them in here, keep it moving.
Rest in peace to R. Kelly nigga, you know how
to go, nigga. You mess with somebody, kid, Nigga that
wasn't with you, Boom nigga. Whatever. I'm not gonna let
no white person do that shit. I want the system
to do it. I agree with you there, because they
ain't gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Fair well, Well, this is my whole thing, right because
before and this was what King was saying before about
the Lintern ship. Before they wasn't they wasn't charging you
with nothing. It was blowing up. They was killing us.
So they realized that, we realized they we realized your
hole on they knocking us off this that there they
sat on. We can't keep killing them. But the Trump

(24:16):
that ship, hey try.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
They used to RICO back in the you know, late
eighties and nineties for all the games stuff. They started
pulling everybody in for ricos, trying to send them the
federal prison and stuff. So they've been practicing with the
RICO on the black culture for years.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, but before that, then, before they were doing that ship,
then they was killing us off beach. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
But they did it the same way.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
This is gonna sound crazy, right, This is gonna sound crazy. Bro.
There were people who was around at Emmit till time
and thought to themselves, we should have never looked at
that white lady. We should have never fact. They wasn't
thinking right now, bro, you Jesus died on the cross.
People was risking their life like, oh you know what,
let me go get our Lord and Savior down. No,

(25:06):
they washed him died, so trust me, it was people
thinking that he should have been walking around like he
got stopped finding ways to allow things to happen to
black people because you morally act like you don't get it,
or acting like you morally like them. It's not it
don't matter. I'm nothing like Puff, nothing like Kelly, nothing

(25:28):
like him. We don't see I can read incredibly well,
or Kelly came and read. We're different. We are different.
I don't make a hundred songs about nasty shit. I'm
not into little bitches. I'm not into none of that.
Guess what.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
That's still my brother and I wanted to be fair. Now,
somebody father got him, I wouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
None to say. If somebody father shot him, I'd be
like shit, nigga, you know, nigga, you should have I'm cool, kids, cool, cool, whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
And again if they charged him for it, if they said, hey,
what you got seven cases of statue toy red and
you got two cases of a federal pornography with a
minor cool man.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Charging with all of that, mm hmm, charging with all
of that, but a lot of that too is time limits.
Fuck that. It ain't time with the ricos and stuff.
It wasn't time limits. They hadn't more than enough time.
It wasn't enough time. They realized this was the moment
that they could take everything that this brother got, all

(26:30):
the dollars that this brother got from them, because they
get all the money from them. They paying them, They
paid Puff, they paying or Kelly, they paying Pilcock, they
paid them. So they take this moment to take their
money back. It's their money. They printed it. This aurs.
We take this back, this us. That's what it really
comes down to. They took kills, masters and everything. They
took every right, all that he don't make no money

(26:52):
from his records. They took it all back. So so
so a conversation, what kills for me is different. That's
what you get for trusting these people like that. That's
my conversation to him. Now, my stance for him is
charging what the shit he did? Or you're coming it's
your consation be with Puff?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Who would you tell him? Just look, man, get off
the dope. Okay, that's as simple as that, get off
the dope. But I don't need to tell Puff nothing.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Puff a different. I don't need Bro. He he's on dope.
It's ours they talking about. They was doing dope for
forty eight hours straight. Man, forty eight hours straight. They
was doing dope. That's the only way. Who the fuck
else would creatively pay somebody a prostitute of male jigglow
to sleep with they lady, come on her. I've her

(27:44):
walked into the next room where you at and rob
to come on your nipples. That's not freaky a freak, No,
that's not it. That's way out of the galaxy. No, No,
freaky is eating a girl ass bro treaty is not that.
That is next.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
That's nast high, Creator's nasty.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
You gotta once you get to the eating the ass ship,
you gotta see how further can I go from here?
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
You know why you couldn't figure it out? You gotta
be high. Who would be that creative? That's not that
was yeah, creative.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Creative.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I'm gonna have to get drunk to eat the bitch's ass.
These are the bro that ship is next level like creative,
Like what you let you pay.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
The jiggle to knock your old lady down? Come on her?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
She gets up out of the room with the jigglo,
walks into the next room that you in and rubs
to come of the jiggle off and puts it.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
On your nipple. Why is that even exciting? That's how
I was just thinking, like where is the excitement?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Got em That's what ship man. No, that is high.
That is high. It's like when you it's like, that's
like funk the desert. When they be making them songs,
he be like, you have to be high to make that.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I think that same. I think do all that ship
if he was sober too.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
No fucking way, no fucking I don't think he'll do
everything sober trapped. I have messed with this sober. I
messed with him multiple times. Sober. No, you should pause
that though I don't know somber what I said. I
have hung with this man. I've been in the studio.
I've been with this man the whole time I have

(29:45):
seen I'm not pausing ship. He that is not the
same person. I know. That is not the same person.
You see them not high and drunk before.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
You don't know if you don't know what that man
was doing when that man pa was high and drunk
the whole time, trust me to carry himself.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Person that came up with that plan of somebody cooking
your old lady and she, that is not the same person.
That's way past making ready to die. That's way past
making life after death. This is but I thought it
was bro.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on the nigga
big set on ready to die while your man masterbate
that ship was going on back then to what you're talking.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
About, Like you said, I agree, being a cook is
one thing. I'm not saying I get cooked. That's hell.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
The next level cook is crazy fucking And then you
being a part of the cup is different.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Let me rub the man's come on me. That's like
that's a different drug. That's different. That's different. Ain't trapped.
The next nigga nudged on his chest watch. Even even
that would make sense because he's gay. Listen, man, if

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if people sleep with I thought, listen, listen, that's if
you're gay. Okay, we found we found that line for
him trapped. That's not a line. Y'all are so basic
in thought. You just only have a level of gay.
That's your level of thought. Once you sleep with a transsexual,
you're no, you're not.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
The key word is your past gay. You then went
through gayness and passed it.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I don't even know if that is another door to bro.
You want to you want if you're a man, you
want to nail somebody.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
So you say it's confused because it got titties in it, dick,
So it's just predicted you're gay.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
You're just gay.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
It's a wire cross this niggas thinking, but makes sense
a little bit a wire.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I don't resist listen, Yeah, I'm saying to make king.
I don't resist being gay. I've never in my life
saw an attractive man. Never. I don't resist being a pedophile.
I've never saw an attractive child. True. Never. It ain't
like I gotta be like, oh, this feeling is urging me,
it's burning me up. I need to I never saw

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a good looking six year old kid. I never saw
a handsome thirty five year old man. Never in my life.
I never saw a man. I was like, man, that
nigga look good. I don't even saw as a wire
cross something make you see this person and it's not
it's different. I never saw a handsome man, and that
guy's handsome. I am sick. Never I never had to

(32:44):
turn that down. I don't know what that even feel like.
Trust me, if you see a man that makes you
think of sex, something upstairs is doing something different than normal.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But that would be gay. Then if you see a man.
But if you said, you said, that's what different.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
That ain't why across something else is wrong? You know
what I'm saying. No, no, no, it's some functional deep
that's way past that. If you need to see titties,
dick ass in a weed, all on one body.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Salad, No, y'a I'm taking making that's not like.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
About puff bro Like wait a minute, okay, you a
cup Adam twenty two is a cup. I've heard of cups. Okay,
if that's your thing, you I don't know. I don't
know why that is above my pay grid. Right, you
see somebody knocking your girl down, and that gets you boring,
no different than a grapist. You don't happen to do
with sex. I had to think about that for a second.

(33:48):
Like a grape rapist.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Rapist is turned on by power, like the control I got,
I got it.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
That's a new crip word, grapist R word on YouTube.
That grat is like you know what I'm saying, like
you're you're turned on by power.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't think you can use what's name too though,
But what he put on his what he put on
his West name?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh yeah, okay, the sauce, the sauce. So what I'm
saying is like a grapeist is not it's not about.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Like, yeah, the male that list where the list is
like the world, this is somebody's private look the grapeist, right,
A grapeist is turned on by power. That would not
make me go. I never had to resist these things.
I never had to resist being attracted to a man.
I never had to be resist being attracted to a child.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I never had to resist wanting to take something from
a woman. Those things do not My brain doesn't see that,
and that creates excitement for me. That's not something that
ever happened to me. So if your brain is wired
something and you see a a man and as a man,
and that man makes you think of sex, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like so cook drinking or any of them. Drugs help
facilitate the wires.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
That's why I practice yesterday. That's why they say under
the influence. It's funny they swear to God hip hop
is an influence, but not Hennessy. They swear hip hop
is an influence but not not not vodka. They swear
hip hop is in influence but not Gin. They swear
hip hop is in influence, but not.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Feel me tequila, the trap be going deep down the hole.
Tell understand where you're going with this. I understand exactly
where you're going with this.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
But they act like tequila even though they call it
under the influence.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And still push it brains.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
So again, people like this is what I'm saying, bro.
People not people not telling the truth. Bro. People full
of ship And I hate that, like I hate that
false moral to where like I'm looking at Puff. We
should have been stood up for Puff. Hey, y'all need
to fix these charges. These charges ain't right. I need
to fix that. We should be we should have been protesting. Hey,
where's the that though, Yeah, that's how we used to

(36:24):
do it when we were still.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I think to come back. I think to come back,
like if he gets found. I think to come back
and get up peal is where that goes in that
right there?

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I don't but again we should love are people to
deal with this until he can go to jail and
get hurt.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
No, I see what that glad to saying that we
did protest. Then they might have dropped the charges down
a little bit on ourrill, you know, knowing that we
wasn't gonna sit around like we did with R. Kelly
or or like or.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Like what happened with M. Mattil if black folk that
came up by hey, he did not with Hey, y'all
cannot listen. You gotta stand up before. You can't wait
because then now you you, in hindsight, looking crazy making
movies about it, and then some some white some some
film photographer making a bunch of money telling the story
when we should have stood up then.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
And they're gonna say, like you said, trap, well he
could wait to appeal. Yeah right now, yeah, right now.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Fix this. Everybody be so scared because they worried about
people judging them, like you'll get on Twitter and people
to judge you. Oh you know you think this, like
I don't gonna fuck with y'all. I beat y'all ass
in real life, and I'm way more of a solid
man than you are. You can't even tell me to
you drack to quilling nigga, you're gonna talk to you.
I'm just you can't morally challenge me. If you are

(37:49):
poison yourself, You're not in position to morally challenge me.
If you're poisoning yourself, if you don't want to deal
with life straight up, if you can't do what you
gotta do straight up, if you need to kill it
or relax, you can't challenge me.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Morley, I choose to do it straight That was the decision, morals.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
And this is when I'm trying to tell you to
you talk like that right there be you to do
it makes it seem like you feel like you I
don't smoke or drink, I'm better than you.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
No, I'm telling you. You shouldn't be telling you better
than me. If you smoke it trap trap, trap trap.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
But they have to sustain from things like that, didn't
you feel better than.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Somebody else, feel better? You know what I feel? Can
we all connected? Puff do all the drugs in the world,
my brother.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
But if Puff tried to talk to me like he
better than me, I'm gonna talk to you like a dog.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
You talking to nigga. You're here trying to pink cocaine
and people rubbing. Come on your nipples, nigga, it's not
about feeling better. It's not about me feeling better. Don't
think you better than me?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yes, in fact, it ain't me.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I still love Puff. I'm standing up for you right now.
Puff wouldn't stand up for me right now. I'm standing
up for Puffy. Trapped a drunk motherfucker can't tell you nothing,
can't he motherfucker can tell me your mean things, but
one thing he can't say. Yo, sober ass can't tell

(39:21):
me nothing. Slow down now, sir, Blow down. That's how
I feel. It ain't me. It's them. You're gonna try
to already talk to me, Pump. You won't even deal
with the world. Straight up, it's not I think I'm better.
I'm fighting for you because stand what you say. I
understand like Puff, all these people he blessed ain't standing

(39:42):
up for him. You can have blessed the real one
who really gonna get cracking, But you blessed a bunch
of other kids. Now, look at how they're talking about you.
Look at how they stand up for you. Nobody standing up.
The one crib that you looked at, it was like,
he don't drink and smoke, So I'm not really gonna
build him.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Is the one nigga that sober enough to stand up
everybody else scared and hiding behind them.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
They did, all right, So Tad, all right, sober Tad?

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yo?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Did you okay? Get yo?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yo? Yo? Yo? But I had to I had to
disconnect from that whole punch ship and I tapped into
the to this Troy Lane ship.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Have you turned into that ship? Be with that, yo,
bro yo?

Speaker 3 (40:32):
So they you see, they found out they got a
driver that that said that the old girl Kelsey a
minute to the whole ship. She admuted to the minute
to the whole ship.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
This is the problem. So again, this is one of
the things when you get to details versus the highlight,
like slam dump. Right the highlight versus slam dump. Go
look at the details. They're saying that he overheard her
saying this. She has a bodyguard, and the bodyguard overheard
her saying this. They can't enter it into the courtlaw

(41:05):
because that wouldn't work. But again, now I don't know
what happened to Toy. I hope the best thing happened
for Toy is what happened for Toy. You know what
I mean. But I'm being honest with you. He should
have took a deal because they could prove everything. He's
not charged for shooting, Meg's charging a firearm, having a
firearm in his vehicle, and something else.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Is he a feeling already? That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Canada, Canada. That's the thing right there though? Is that?
But like you said, though, he overheard a husband and
it was said that he not even touched the gun.
Shorty grabbed the gun.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
For him not to touch the gun and GETJSR on him.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yes, if you smacked the gun from my head.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
You won't get GSR on you.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yes, if you shoot a gun off and it happened,
the car happened, the car with somebody, everybody in that
car gonna ham ship on them.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
No, it's not. That's not how Jim saw works. Because again,
it's a detailed thing it's a detailed thing. It's not
the feel of Oh.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I think I agree with you, trapped, but I know
that for a fact, for a fact.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I know that for a fact.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Maggie, Megan and that Jed saw on the fucking hands.
They didn't test none of them when they test. Only
when they tested it through the whole ship was him.
They said that shit ain't taste Kelsey. They ain't test
the driver, they ain't test mag only when they tested
for DNA anything on the gun and the Jim saw
it was him. That was it. Y'all, don't stop this ship.
This ship is about to really piss me off.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
This is I'm gonna show you what they said.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
This is way simple. This is way simple. All they're
talking to be fighting for oh Man like another black man.
Lot to been jail right now, bro for some bullshit.
We're talking about what you just said. What are you
talking about seeing a lotor for some bullshit?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Having the gun of the cause illegal. It's his car.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
It wasn't his gun.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
You can't have a gun in your car. All the
ship can stand up for.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yo, the fucking obvious. All the charges are easy. They
didn't charge him for shuiting her.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
They charged him for disloading the firearms. But he didn't
disload the firearm. It's somebody else. Then you know what
he's supposed to do this this this person gun in
my car. No you're not, look fucking thug, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
So then if the bench at Gona sitting there crying
that the how are the ships? I can stand up for.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
The light away for having a freaking up party they
celebrating and you're talking about the dumb ass nigger who
mother fucking had a gun in his car. That's what
they charged him. Four They charging for shooting her because
he had a gun in the car. So if you

(44:07):
want to say somebody else gun and you want to
sit back and ride.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
The charge, just write him. But stop playing. You can't
have places plate up. They don't go together. True facts.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
You can't have. And that's something that halfway cooks, not
a fucking sech thing.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, that's true. The fuck out all the ship y'all
can be standing up for man free Tory man.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Look the youre talking about, be free Tory man. The
nigga shot to kill that nigga too, that was crazy.
Would have took the deal for like some bush to
be them bitches, them bitch. The bitch shot a big
shot to shove a home home girl. He spapped the
guy out of hand, fucking the ship go off, shooting the.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
In the world these niggas is the most creative directions
in the world. Bro, all this creativity that makes sense.
Trapping if it happens, that's what happened. Your body there
was their gun. Ship was the gun. He was gun
the pin gun.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
No would you be surprised? Hold on trap glass is
gonna play? Why did anybody else claim the gun.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Charm? The charges are simple. He has jes saw in
his arms, it's a gun in his car. All his
charges are simple. They didn't trump up the charges. They
didn't charging with a saw with the deadly weapons. They
aren't charging with attempted murder. They charged him with discharging
the firearm. They's somebody that said they saw him and.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Glasses. Right, Sorry, bro, it's not.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I'm not saying Toy deserves to be in jail. What
I'm telling you is the his charges that are fair.
So if somebody else gun, he should have made them
take their gun, or he should have had his attorney
proven with somebody else's gun These are simple charges.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
They charging puff with the rico they charge. That's not fair.
You're just imagining what's in your mind. It's not that deep.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Watching this ship come back. We come back here next week.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Come back when he get out next week straight from
the hospital. They trying to off the nigga be he
came out next week.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I bet bro. The fact that y'all let marketing works
so fucking well is almost scary. Bro. It was like,
I gotta be the last.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I gotta be the last on earth, Bro, the last
man on Earth, because y'all creativity is next level.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Y'all give me his next level? What is so? What
you thought was he was like, you know what, it's
her gun, but I'm gonna just take it and ride
it out.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Why you bitch it can y'all said it was her
fucking gun. You've been playing nigga gunner spot we talking about, Bro,
nobody putting toy. No, he's a fucking you would put
that gunner spot.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Nigga told that girls you know ain't talking about Nigga told.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
That girl.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Somebody else gun. You're full of ship and let the
court this out over the street.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Figured it out if it was her gun. You should
have made her figure it out, like why you protected
something girl?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
That the case. The case ain't even this, it's not
as gun. Nobody looks. Stop with the ship. God damn.
We can use our ship for some real not some
dumb ship. Oh, Tory, somebody come up. Mighty is a genius. Mom,
Gun's a genius. It's publicist, is fucking right? Your motherfuckers

(47:37):
it slow. They can move y'all any way they want to, bro,
they can move y'all.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Coming up, you just bring up Chris Brown instead.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Chris Brown a dummy. He a dummy, dummy.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
But to know you had that, you know, you bust
that that man the head with the bottle for your
ass out there over there instead.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
I don't know how bust that man. They're having a
bottle out there.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
You don't know how marketing it's this good, bro, Oh
it's great. It's fantastic. It's not just good.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Hold on, So he didn't know he hit that man
in the head with the bottle.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
As much as Tory knew that gun was in the car,
as much as Tory knew saw with his hands.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Listen, man, that man coming home?

Speaker 1 (48:30):
How is he coming home? Trapping to put on the
on the right now.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Huh, he's not coming on next week, burrito. They're gonna
try to get him home for a hardship about his
life is come they could pull off.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Is trying to get the governor pardon, pardon the two
twins that not they parsapp They tried.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
They gave him how they gave him so they did.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
They did simon them again. Yeah, and they made a
whole film. They made a whole film, a whole movie.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
So now they could probably get parole at some times.
But they didn't get out the door. They didn't walk
out the door, dumb.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
They killed their parents for money, blew their fucking parents
head off in cold blood like it's motherfucker's fight for them. Yeah,
big time. They knocked the daddy down, put around a
buck smoking, daddy had a buck shot and daddy head
knock his ship off. Put more motherfucking realms in the games,

(49:40):
come back and knock the motherfucking mama damn. And were
talking about these people talking about they got what are
you talking about? And who's that white people fight?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
When justice and white people and they'se motherfuckers killed their
parents and cold blood, but niggas ain't like I'm crazy cause.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I'm saying he sentence these brothers right, and it's nigga.
Tell about freak Torri.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
He make good music because he make good music.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Talking about that's the trap.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Why do you do that trap? That's the treat. I
love what you wanted. I love what you wanted.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
That want.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
So they don't want good music no more, no time,
don't make good damn no more. Look at how.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Media.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Look at how they used their media. I'm off now,
look at how these people, you know, they made the media.
They made a TV show Netflix that's so powerful that
all the white people is protesting for them to get
out after murdering their parents in cold blood. Murdering them
in cold blood. Oh they got touched. Then Leland jump

(50:49):
on that ship to trying to free.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
All of them, jumped parents head off in cold blood,
and went to the next game like a week later.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, no, I've seen that story back.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I got that basketball car.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Game.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
A week later, I got the basketball listen. Jack got
calls the murderer's trap.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Look, it's a Mark Jackson cards, it's an eighty nine.
It's the eighty nine. Who's cart And Mark Jackson ran
in the background.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
They knocked their parents head off. Yeah, both of them
went back outside, reloaded, knocked the motherfucking mama head off
with a gauge. Yeah, that they bought with false id's.
So you don't think thirty years is enough they're trying
to give. They gave you R Kelly thirty six years.
There it is trap. They're trying to give fucked daddy life.

(51:42):
There it is trapped.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Tory Lanes got eighty years or ten years? What true
the fuck are we talking about? They should have just
deported Tory Lanes back to to Canada.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Even if took a deal, we'd have been off no fast.
What happened was us. They played games with the media
and thought they was gonna win the court of public opinion,
and that court don't transfer into this court. Nothing about
what happened to him is miss justice. They under they
under motherfucking shot. They made it to where they could
convict him. It was simple.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, they pitching whoppers on puff. They turned Puff into
John Dotty.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Turned this man in the rainbow. They turned him into rainbow.
They said the man was talking about Deace, bitch. They
turned nigga to fucking what was your many Murphy name
in the in the what's name she in the Hall
of night Ship? So you can't tell a bit to dance, now, Delice.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
He was quick, The man was quick. How they charging trapped?
They charged him. He was convicted with a salt with
a semi automatic handgun, having a loaded and unregistered firearm
in the vehicle, and gross negligence and discharging the firearms.
But yourself salt with the firearm, not even assaut with
a daily weapon. You know that's a Trump attend to murder.

(53:01):
None of that. That's saying because you fired a gun,
that charges You fired a gun and somebody got hurt.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Take the deal they got you is GSR. You did
not slap no gun and get GSR.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
On the top of your fucking hand. You just slapped
no gun. That ain't how it worked. That ain't the
science of GSR. Trump. You said she shot the gun
a few times? Did he shot the gun?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
She shot the gun right then he sposted, had went
over there trying to get the gun out of head,
Gun hit the floor, gun goes off again. You know
what I'm saying. If the telling me they grabbed that gun,
they grabbed that gun. Getting the car with the gun.
Anybody in that car, anybody in the car gonna have
that sht on him.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
So the police didn't know the gun shot had been
shot three four times. What are you talking about everybody
in the car going, No, that's not how GSR worked, man, that's.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Not how you're talking about the gun pad of the
gun right, I mean the yes, that ship does right
that way. No, don't, Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Shot this gun right now, you will not have no
gun power.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
If I shot this fucking girl right here, you will
not have no motherfucking residue on.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
You would be different. That's more close outside the environment.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Oh yeah that no, But if they grabbed her, get
in the car after that goes off, it's gonna do
everybody was in the car. You're crazy for that, yo,
move on to blog era.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Let's go trap. Did they get out in the car?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Out the car? Y'all so full of ship, all the
freeze and the people.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
You have to be just about days, a couple of days.
But some dumb that she gonna took the deal. Drink
drink some water, drink some water. All the city took
the deal on chavity, stupide. All the city took a
deal on. Yeah, toy did all the ship. Okay, they
didn't find him the trial guilty or he you could

(55:00):
have took the deal. It had been straight. Yeah, if
you did it, take the deal. If you did it,
the gun is simple. Charges. Now if they want to
hit him.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
With a.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Something murdered broad black, Oh, I'm with you, pup charges.
Take the deal. You're guilty, bro, do the time in
your car. In your car, let's saying stuffing, make believe world.
What y'all saying is truth that her best friend shot
her or shot at the ground or whatever happened, and

(55:38):
she just decided to lie on this nigga and say
he did it, even though that don't make no fucking sense.
But let's say it's real. You knew you slapped the gun.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
You knew they had to saw on your hand, you
knew the gun was in your car, you knew you
dad a winner saying they saw you shoot the gun.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Why fun did you not take a deal? Fact? Hey,
travel when you brought this up, I think you'll talk
about him getting stabbed in.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Prison, manna talk about almost.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
It's on some like it's on some like movie shit.
For really, I don't want to go into all that show.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
And I'm gonna be honest, but that's what I thought
you was gonna talk about it. You cold marketing is,
and then we're gonna move on. I'm gonna tell y'all
cold marketing is, move on, Okay. Tory is so dedicated.
His publishers is my low She's like one of my
oldest friends in the business. If I have friends in
the business, it ain't that many. That's my partner for me,
Like is my partner? Yeah? Not in them is geniuses? Bro.

(56:33):
Mm hm, the police station, the mother, the details. The
devil is in the details, bro. You gotta see the devil.
You cannot just be taking the bullshit. The penitentiary did
not say that he got stabbed fourteen times. They never
said that. I still didn't say he got stabbed fourteen times.
His motherfucking things said he got stabbed fourteen times. I

(56:54):
would be honest, I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
If he paid the nigga stab him because the nigga
already got like about that too, right, And guess what,
Mighty Been had this information and use it at that moment.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
They're not going to try to enter this into the
fucking law so they're they're trying to use it as
a way the proposition to get them out Governor to part.
They probably gonna have a petition floating around.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I'm sure that.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Trying to get Gavinoos and importing him, because there's no
way this dumb ass should work in the court of law.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Nobody's been charged with it or nothing. It's dumb because
he got a life sentence anyway.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Ten years. How much time to get you got ten years?

Speaker 3 (57:39):
He got ten years, ten years.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Don't talk about to do that, stab toy.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
He got.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Your marketing playing with them in the leg standing, be good,
feel me. They're gonna have to send me to our hospital.
They can't just pass you already got life. Give me
some money here, he got some money. He got twenty buck.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I could see that mighty run that run that thing,
boom boom, get me out like the man the dead brothers,
let's get let's let's he might have brothers. Do another
black one, another black man out of jail. Come on, now,
you can't go from.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
That.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
He's going to get out like he got life. Like
they tried to, like they stole our keillies. They tried
to like they're trying to steal puffs. You talk about
the nigga that got ten years from doing some dumb shit.
He could have took a deal on I'm not tripping
if we, in a sense of law preach malone, y know,
what's something through that preach nigga stupid? So what's the

(58:39):
steps can people do? Now?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And he did.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
He's case like, now, we didn't let these people get
too fucking for Yeah, there's no way to make a stance. Now,
it's to hell a conventional that he got stabbed.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
And then within the next twenty four hours, not even
twenty four to twelve, they talk about letting them out.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
No, no, no, no. Look what they said was this though, right,
They said, it's a dude that I it's a dude.
I had him been doing the whole investigation. Nigga said
he after he figured this ship out about the about
the Duodo who said he overheard the overheard the people.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Oh you're back on the girl and dropping the good.
He brought it.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
He brought it up. He brought it up. He said
they contacted. He said they contacted Kelsey and Meghan Kelsey
never Kense never hits him back. Megan, people hit back right, Megan,
people hit back and telling them what they got, what
evidence they got.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
It sh like that.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
The next day, sun get poked up fourteen times. Think
about this, dumb ass ship They'll grow your chill chilly
trying to kill because of this, because this evidence right here,
and lord.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
They're trying to kill Tory because of East Megan. Dumb
ass like I've been a criminal my whole That sounds
crazy in the world.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
That sounds crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
That sound had this effortence.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Charged guard they referenced, they referenced him as a bodyguard
to Megan's assistance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So Meghan's assistant has a bodyguard and he overheard driver
money grab, money grab No. I shot three times. Then
Tory slapped the gun out of my hand, and then
the gun went off two more times while I was
on the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
To off the ground and holds the gun that the
gs hoalking on him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Then I wonder why that just seems like just perfectly
But you gotta look at the placement of the G
s R though also too, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Like on your hands, on your on your clothes and
you know your palm, you know, depending.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
On wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Gunf the floor, It wouldn't be a hammer. It wouldn't
be right here. It ain't just like a bunch of
mist everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
You know. What it was crazy is he had no
DNA on the gun though, so he didn't so he
didn't pick the gun up. Then no, he was You
can't write dn a off the gun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Why can't you watch the DNA off the gun? You
the white prince? To subject man, next subject, Please, let's
go to please?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
What did I do?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
What did I do to deserve his life? He was
the chosen one, bro, stay sober, that's what you did
as one Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
He over the bodyguard her overheard her telling somebody the
driver driver here's saying story no because he shot. See
she shot three times and then he slapped the gun
out of her hand, a live gun and the gun
hit the ground twice, and then he picked the gun up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
That explained that she saw her so really it's her
gun and she shot the gun and he was as
a bystander.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Trap. How we save hip hop trap? I don't know, man,
it's crazy. How we say, got to figure it out
though we can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
We can't do it with the fights you guys talk
about fighting, I would stay hip hop we got You
want to save an R and B singer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Huh no, this is what hip my person? You want
to say an R and B person? This trap got
mad at music. Got mad because I'm like, I don't
listen to the computer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Rapper and all his homies is computer rappers. That's the createst.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
What's wrong with that homie music? You don't judge and
ship he just you know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Make computer rapper though, I don't judge him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I don't listen to it. You just don't listen to me.
You talk to him and kick it with, but don't
listen to their music.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
That's try making that computer rap ship to me where
it sounds like you were just looking on the computer
looking at other rappers and make your rap.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I'm not fucking with that. So they do a AI. Shit,
I mean, I ain't gonna say AI. I just think that,
like like ray, all all the hommies and shit good people.
I don't listen to computer rapper. It's not making the music.
Like your music gotta be reflecting at some level of
the street urban culture. It cannot be the internet culture.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
So how you feel about people punching in their stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I don't care about how you grow up about it.
I don't care if you use a computer when I'm
calling somebody a computer rapper, I'm not calling somebody a
computer rapper because like they use the computer to make songs,
I'm saying with all their experiences come from a computer.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
What should mean? Explain that a little more detail. It
wasn't outside, Oh not from real life. Yeah, I don't
want to hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
You saw this story on the internet and you made
a song about the story. Okay, I see what you're saying.
I don't want if you put glade in your actual raps.
I don't want to hear you if you use anach
trauma terms in your wraps, Like what's it called? What's
the trauma word for what?

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Tuma? Trauma?

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
You want the trauma terms? Me and Joey call them
trauma terms gas Like you use gas, I don't you rap?
If you use rage, bait and your I don't want
anything looking at I don't want to hear you. Arciss

(01:04:27):
is kind of the borderline the rapper by trends. Trap
trends yea trigger?

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Oh yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
If you use the term trigger, I don't want to
hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Rap.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
No, no positivity and music is final by being a victim. No,
you could be a victim. Okay, was a victim if
you say crash rap.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Was a victim.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with being a victim.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Everybody regulators.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
You can't be like if you say gas leave me
in your wrap, don't. I don't know who says those
words and wraps. I'm just giving you computer rapper. This
is what I was telling. It's not using the computer.
It's just like all your inspiration comes from the computer.
The what rappers is that. It's a lot of them. Trap,
give me a couple. Joey Badass is a computer rapper

(01:05:21):
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Now he's from Brooklyn. He need a computer rapper from Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Don't mean that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
At about that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
There's nothing wrong with be it from the ghetto. Bro,
Everybody in the ghetto ain't fucking around. They just don't
go off their porch.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
That from Brooklyn? And who's a computer Lamar La is
a computer wrapper?

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Joe Windy Ray Vaughan used crash out. I don't listen
and not just say that trap.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Yeah, yeah, but you heard me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I don't listen. You can't in them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Lamar's a computer rapper was making he's a computer rapper. No,
but but but it's not because King's gonna you know,
because King's gonna think you're talking about it towards and
that's the only term of it. King. Computer rappers are
basically the blog the rappers, you know what I'm saying,
who who basically got they got? They start them through

(01:06:23):
the during that during that certain time right there. You
know what I'm saying that what came like and bigger
when the college students started having what I'm saying, like
like having voices and stuff like that. And it wasn't
just it wasn't just based off the street urban culture,
which is hip hop is from though.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Okay, so that's what you're saying. Okay, I see what
you're saying. They was they was building off of hearsay, yes, yes,
and a lot of rap is very much here saying. Okay,
that's okay, my homeboy bird.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
You know, I hate that ship. I don't like none
of that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
It's not that I don't think they rap or they
don't and I've heard so from him, like as long
as they song something from real shit, I listen, Like
when Joey makes some shit that's on some ship that's
like so outside ship.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
I'm fucking with it. Yeah, when Ray Vaughan made some
outside ship, I listened to it. For I mean, when
niggas make some shit that's outside, I'm listening to it.
But I'm not listening to no bunch of niggas rapping
against each other. That's just rapping against each other for
the sake of being a better rapper.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
So you could tell when somebody comes off the porch
and raps versus staying in the house and rap.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah, because the conversation becomes thin and shallow, Okay, you
know what I mean, Like it'll they'll say ship like,
h I got thirty six? Hoouns it as a dope.
It's be like, yeah, that's my house. Yeah you had
thirty six. It probably wouldn't have been thirty six. It'd
have been like forty four. As you took Softie, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
What I mean, small fans and they would say soft
hard ship like the Man Details. I got thirty six
soft the Man Details. Yeah, shout out to BV.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
He said blog Era was the last time she was
actually fun. Blog Era almost ruined hip hop to me,
So that was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Fun ruinous stuff is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
No, No, that a lot of people, but a lot
of people feel like this. Shout out to Trio, shout
out to certain homies. Some people really like the blog era.
I don't like history rap. But is that the ones
that like the blog area is the ones that didn't
come off the stairs? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
No, not not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
You real street people in the streets really like that
stuff from bloggers that put out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
But I mean, I don't think everybody cares. Some people
from so I just don't care. Yeah, if it's Jam
Jaman shout out to Shout out to the homie Alex
who just said that, like if he liked it, it's
Jam and me I need more mm hm.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
They had a discussion of a day two because I
feel like what you what what what Glasses was looking
for in the music though you have certain artists that
do it. Kendrick does that. You know what I'm saying.
Kendrick was part of that blog every but he's still
he's still about street urban culture though at the same time,
you know what I'm saying. But I think it was

(01:08:55):
like it was basically that I think I think more
so what you don't like is the was their way
in the game though too. It wasn't like niggas wasn't
getting they resume checked and like niggas was sliding through
the back door of pause. You know what I'm saying
on some ship like it wasn't it wasn't authentic really
like that shout.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
This is a great point. Blog eraon niggas didn't start
in the streets like tradition hip hop.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
That's exactly exactly, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Did a lot of them end up in the street trapped? No, no, no,
he said he started on computers.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
There you go. Yeah, yeah, that's what that's why he's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Always been in the streets. Yeah, but he did take
his path through blogs. Okay, but he was around before.
But when he started, when everybody called on, he went
the blog way. Okay, I'm but I've also been honest
and I've always said, like everybody was way hotter on dot,
on that version of Dot than me, Like I wasn't
into that version of Dot. That's just my partner, And

(01:09:53):
I know you said you grew more and more as
you got became more of his own. It's the reason
why people ask me why like gn X like ship
Nigga is that so it just depends. Like like Nip,
A lot of people caught on the Nip when he
started making blog music. M I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Somebody to clean up the studio because this nigga that
tore the ship up, throwing ship around and ship.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
That's a good point. And this is what I'm saying.
Some Brooklyn folks are blog era, like Joey Badat. I
don't want to hear that. I mean because I think
it carries a negative connotation. It's not the question how
dope of Joey is a fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
But what's the negative connotation? Soft somewhat because you didn't
come off the porch. Not necessary, it's it's a lot more.
It's a little more. Well we thought it was soft
if you couldn't come off your front porch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
For me, for me, for me, where is for me?

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Like? Because I like backpack dude, shout out to yacht
though that's a great point. From backpack to blog. The
backpack dudes had to be in the streets like they
was in the street good like cafe, the murder Park,
these are all in the community. It was just moving,
just moving moved to like Fairfax. Fairfax is a little different.
It is still street, but it's different than our streets

(01:11:20):
like Tyland, the streets where they was hanging out at
Tyler from Harthorne. But I'm saying a Fairfax movement is
different than where we're from. It is still street like
that Hispster area, but it's like more of a renaissance
version of Ship Country Street.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
You know what's crazy is is the fact that you
had the same thing going on over there that we
had going on over here at the same time. That's
that's the whole ship when you mentioned that's how soho
was looked at in New York and it was going
on at the same time. That was rocking in them.
That was rocking right there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
You know, he didn't was out way before blog music, Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
He don'na make blog inception year of the blog era.
So it's funny, right because the blogs, really I remember
them kind of. I was in the business right when
they was right. I was in the business right. Remember
when I came into business. YouTube had just started, right,
YouTube that just started, and then the blog started being something. Right,

(01:12:23):
we had West Coast blogs right, West Coast Rodders Dump CNN.
They were just starting, but they didn't have the complete
safe But when the college blogs kind of took over,
you know, you start getting the two Dope boys, you
start getting a hot new hip hop. We start getting there.
Now we start talking about oh ah nine twenty ten,
and then around twenty eleven twelve thirteen, they really came

(01:12:46):
in a prominence.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Damn coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Barber gone, we can't get likes. Can we get nine
likes to get the fifty we got?

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
We got nine likes?

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
We got forty one? Can we get nominal li likes?
Tax despric nine more likes? Please not more like? Because
the New West and the blog era around the same time. Now,
the New West is before the blog era. The New
West is before the blog era. You said the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Blog era is about the time YouTube started.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
What year was that the blog era? And when YouTube started?
Blog started when YouTube started? But year it was that
blog era probably doesn't really happen until two thousand and
eight nine really like eight. I mean it's the era,
the beginning of it becoming this influential thing in the space.

(01:13:33):
Is that what birth podcasts? No so like blog era.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
The biggest earliest blog air rappers wis Kalifer m hm
currency the origins currency.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Okay, go to Drake Kendrick J. They are the blog era.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Okay, you could tell that they Okay, I see what
you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Yeah, big shine, they talk about you know what it No, No,
it's not just that right because dods still always had
a good detail of the streets, but the music became ambiguous.
The music itself became the same as everybody else and
everybody doing kind of the same.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Right here right. It was the it was the way
of promotion. So it went from the street promotion or
people was promoting music on the street to promoting the
music through blogs. You know what I'm saying, promoting me
through the internet. You know what I'm saying, people, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Here's my confusion trap when you say, you know the
the the music versus street Was there a difference in
the sound.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yeah, because before that hip hop was very much it
was a cultural thing about kind of like you doing
your thing based off of where you're from. Like it
didn't all sound the same, like far Side existed. I mean,
they didn't use defunk, compass most wanted. It just had
a more unique feel. This might be fucked up, but

(01:15:12):
it just became very linear. Yeah, I mean double time raps.
I don't know that's you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
As your I'm athlete, I come back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
It became double time rap, right, it just became different.
But yeah, to Trill's point, blogs existed before two thousand
and eight and nine, but the power that they carry
is around two thousand and eight and nine. That's when
you start to see them have the ability to break
in artists. They had enough following. They had all that.

(01:15:46):
But again, like I've heard backpack music that wasn't necessarily
like I'm not saying it should be gangster rap Tribe
was fired day lost fire, but what they talked about
they had depth and detail to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
So the vlog when you say that vlog being a
rappers log, blog rappers. So they was really much much
credit from social media? Yeah no, this is before social
media because you said YouTube was out. So did they
get famous through YouTube? And that's why they became? YouTube
is its own thing? YouTube didn't really soldier boy is it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Well? No?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
So okay, so blog evers broke so many artists. A
blog is like a website of dot com. Yeah, I'm
saying enough following in power that when they disseminated art right,
everybody was. They had a big enough following that people
could pass it to the people that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Was Yeah, that's why I said social media as a whole,
like you know, the Internet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Right, They were not in the note right, So blogs
did because I benefited from blogs when I first started
right DUBT and then hip hop d X, all these
different West Coast riders rescip peace to my man styles.
They were covering us when I first got in the business,
but they didn't have power. They didn't have followings of
one hundred, two hundred thousand people at that time, you

(01:17:10):
know what I'm saying. By the time we got to
what became the evolution of blogs, maybe second or third
generation hot new hip hop, two dope boys, Shoutout, Tonamid
dot o Men, all of them, they were having six figure,
one hundred two three, four hundred thousand people following them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
And they was just pushing music and what's in hip hop.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
So oddly before that, it was the mixtape era. Yeah,
so mixed tape sites were doing well. Blogs put over
put out mixtape sites. Blogs took over mixtapes because mixtape
sites became the first access, but mixtapes still went through
the streets, you know what I mean. But they did

(01:17:52):
have mixtape sites and then after the blog ara became.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
So mixtapes is more tight into the radio stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
No mixtapes tip. They were the last line of the streets.
That was the last thing you circulated through the streets.
Fakes your drive is one of my favorite ones. That's dope.
Good one cool Joe after was SoundCloud era. He shout
out to TV, this is my problem. That's why lanes
run the game now. Blog allowed more non street people

(01:18:19):
into the game. And then it through the balance all
the way off. So it went from mixtape the mixtape era.
I came into business during the probably the tael end
of the mixtape era. Fifty is a mixtape aero rapper.
Fabulous is a mixtape air rapper like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Last is missed the blog era about eighteen weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Say it was influenced a little bit, but I never
really what was funny? Is real story, brocause he benefited
a little bit by it. No real story is Top
told me the blogs was gonna be the thing, and
I remember telling him, like, when I ain't ever fuck
with that computer shit, I'm keep going through the streets.
He was like gee that she ain't gonna be working
the same way no more. He told me he could
see it shout out the top though. He told me

(01:19:08):
to my face that and he moved Kendrick into that position. Okay,
so yeah, it's a little bit more tricky, right. One day,
I'm gonna bring Shake or one of them dudes on here,
maybe d Dot. But I think what happened was so
remember me, Jay Rock and Nipsey put out all our
first mixtapes the same year. Our first mixtapes all came
out in two thousand and five. Bullets Excuse Me, Slawson

(01:19:31):
Boy Volume one, White Lightning, which was minees and Jay
Rock Watch Finals Volume one came out in two thousand
and five. There was no powerful blogs at that time.
You only had the streets still, and you're starting to
get mixtape scenes and mixtape distribution. DJ's was still kind
of in charge of how music was disseminated. When the
blogs kind of came into prominence. They were there because

(01:19:52):
I was doing shit with different blogs, But when they
came into prominence, it was a bunch of more like
college kids who kind of didn't really this might be raggedy,
but I'm gonna just say it anyway. I think they
were scared of the streets. They were scared of the streets,
so they didn't want to deal with people in the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Oh okay, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
So they are the ones that kind of shut the
streets out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Because they couldn't come off the front porch trap.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
No, it's just if you lived on fair like if
you're a hipster person. Dogs were ran by hipsters. If
you're a hipster person, it's one thing being on fair Fact,
it's another thing. Coming western, coming east of Crenshaw, Crenshaw
is a push. But coming easter Crenshaw, you start coming down.
You know what I'm saying, van Is, you draw down,

(01:20:41):
van Is start coming down Western Normandy. Okay, but listen
over big.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Okay, but listen, think streets and not think you know,
just you know details. It's fair Fax, you know, thought
as real streets. If you're coming from where you come from, no,
is it like a suburb to you or something. Where
I'm from, nobody would look at fair Facts like just
what I'm saying. See, that's the difference. I want people understand.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
They would be wrong, but they wouldn't look at it
that way. Well, I don't think that's important. I think
the important part is how fair Fact saw us. They
saw us like Nigga, like a problem. So when they
started the people, they started pushing where people they felt
were safe, like in their mind. This is why people

(01:21:27):
think Kendrick is not street because he came through the
blog era, people like like you know, Shake and Shake
and all the hommies. They could deal with him from
two dough boys. They look j Rock is different, all right.
They looked at Jay Rock like a Bonnie hun Her,
you know what I mean. They looked at us like Nigga.

(01:21:48):
We have problems like Nip too, Like Nip ended up
coming through the blog through Don. That's how Nip got
playing in the bag era through Don Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
So it's different. So it's just different, you know what
I'm saying. And again I think that's why hip hop
just went through what it went through, because if you
take it completely away from you know, street urban culture,

(01:22:26):
somebody who really has no idea what's going on with
it is going to have possession of it. And that's
how you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
But you said, everybody sees the value of it, but
street culture don't see it themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Oh you know, street a culture. Street people don't see
it now, they don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
But everybody see the value of it. Like I said,
the hisster has seen the value of that and said
you know what, and and then utilized it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
But I was aware that they were going to have action.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Yeah, you said TD top top towards you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Told me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
He was like, hey, uh, you're tripping. This thing is
gonna take over. And what made you say no, I'm
gonna keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Because I couldn't see a hip hop even before I
understood hip hop was street urban culture. I couldn't see
a hip hop that was happening, not in the streets
where you was at current, not in any streets. Say
that again, you didn't see hip hop happening in any streets.
I didn't see hip hop being I didn't see hipsters
being able to take over you know, black music at

(01:23:28):
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Okay, you didn't see anybody that wasn't street urban takeover
hip hop?

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
No, because some of those were not. Yeah, well, I
mean really, I was just wrong. Okay, because record labels
kind of never been street urban culture, so of course
they've always been able to cultivate a following. But yeah,
I just didn't see a world that hip hop was
gonna be it to exist without going through the streets.
But they still kind of used the streets, but skirt

(01:23:56):
the streets. They go around the streets and stuff and
use it. Ugh, No, they broke them through college students.
What else I'm saying, like we used to look at
West He talked like, you know some things like he's
been to the streets, but we know that's bullshit. Well
it's like this right because they're they still had street

(01:24:18):
things happening. Like somebody in the lunch at the lunch
table said, HyG is a blog artist. YG is not
a blog artist. Y G was like the last of
street culture. Y G stuff came through the jerk movement
with the kids, and then they kind of evolved it
into ratchet music and it birthed a new era of
street music in LA and then they just had it

(01:24:40):
on the blog. But everything about YG is from the streets.
It all came from the streets. Kids, the youth generating
power energy problem, you know, Joe Moses, Ty Dollar, Sogn Mustard,
I mean Jiocaso Russian Peace chords, you know, as a producer.
So it's just why the hip hop lines are so blurred. Now, well,

(01:25:03):
this is why there was this movement of West Coast
thing happening. You had Good Kid in mass City. Then
you had let's say, like, uh, my Crazy Life by
YG like in l A at the time, My Crazy
Life ran everywhere you went on the streets. But you
could see that the sales and the success of of

(01:25:28):
that city. A Good Kid, Yeah, a Good Kid was
happening still.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Outside of the city.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
And well no, because you heard people in the city
playing Good Kid. You know, it would just be at
different things. It wouldn't be at the normal things we
would be at.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Well, what I was, what I was saying and thinking,
is that if you're not from the culture or street urban,
then the language would be a little different. So if
you're looking at somebody from the blogger or going that direction,
the language is going to be more acceptable or understandable
to those outside.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
Of the culture. Shout utter y'all to y'all making blog
eras anonymous with non street. That's not That's not what
I'm saying. It's a little bit more trickier, y'all. Tho,
it's like the Star of the blog era is probably Drake.
Drake is probably the biggest star of when you say that,

(01:26:20):
because he's a product of the blogger is he Fuck yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
I think he just went to people and took they
you know, not even just there. He is a product
of the blog. He's a blog god.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Whiz, Cole Hendrick, you know what I'm saying. Like, so
when you think of those names, you kind of don't
see them. Drake is not street, Cole is not street,
Whiz is not streaked. That's because they're not street. You're
not calling them punks. Yeah, they not punks. Yeah, where's squabble?

(01:26:58):
You up all kinds of shit? You know what I mean?
J Cole is a man. They're men. They're not punks. Yeah,
you mean, but they're not necessarily street. Yeah, I mean,
but then had non street before that, Like, but street
urban culture. They also became kind of the first ambiguous
versions of street urban culture that kind of came from
the net. M.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
I think what it comes down to, man, is is
the forum of promotion. Man, That's what that's what the
blog coming at was. They wasn't using street teams no more.
They was using They was going to the internet to
promote the music. People at that time we.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Had computers and was on blogs, were not people from
the streets. It's kind of like how we're doing our
campaign now traveled. All these posters were going right to
the heart of the streets. Again, it's been ship. When
was the last campaign they went at the heart of
the streets. They ain't been a campaign. They went at
the heart of the streets because everybody kind of went
to the net as if everybody in hip hop had
a bunch of money and went to the same sites.

(01:27:53):
So you knew it was only college kids that like,
none of my homies didn't go to blogs. None of
my young homies didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Go to blog. The closest they got the blogs was
the mixtape sites, and they didn't do that. So when
you utilized blogs more, now are their pass dead?

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
They're dead. It's dead. So then it went on to
the Instagram, excuse me, it went on to streaming app.
Streaming app started breaking this right, they playlist and started
breaking artists. All the playlists Spotify, Apple Title, you had
artists that came from that SoundCloud.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
That's what you get.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
What's the boy name that be rapping about rapping? All
the time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Rapping about rapper.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Yeah, the boy I don't know if your brother or not,
but he don't look like a brother.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Rush Rush Rush Rush.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Russ is a perfect example. That's a SoundCloud rapper. Yeah,
oh you know who Russ is. Russ is. He has
some big songs, you know, I mean, So then it
went to Russ and that stuff. And then it went
to the to logic. Logic is that's logic is a
streaming rapper? Okay. Then it went to uh, social media.

(01:29:04):
That's where you get twenty one Savage, where you knew
people's brand and who they were before you heard the
songs like UZI had the red hair or purple hair.
Yady had to rap. Yeah yeah, but but I'm saying
when it happened for them, it was their face that
did it because social media, right, you saw people Savage
Kid had crazy yeah, and then except on Recipece had

(01:29:29):
like these the Kodak Black had these like shit knots
like you, I knew who all these rapper was and
I never heard any of the songs. I could point.
I knew who all of them was because of social media.
That's that social media era took over and you start
knowing artists brand like and then you just supplied to music,

(01:29:52):
which is why I think the records got bad. So
anything that was popping y'all though, he said, I heard
YG from blogs in my space. Anything popping went to
the blogs. And I'm saying, y G is a street artist.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
I put YG the same pace you put me mill
them to them. Two was like the one, like the
last route. They were in between and the blog and
like still being like street promoted like that, but y G.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Saw like Too didn't boot. It was way bigger in
the streets than it was on the blog. Two didn't boot.
It was like when I tell you, like you want
to see a party go up? The dropped in two
thousand and eight, nine eleven more.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Or that it was not remember I'm staying you seem
today you in l.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
What you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
I remember that. I remember my daughter was born. Right
before she was born, I'm like, yo, I'm bumple. That's
the whole time in Vegas right here, I heard TOO
in the body.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
I saw too the body before everybody heard it. I
saw at a party and I was like, what the
fuck is this? And that ship happened and it was
like holy ship, like and and and that became a movement.
It broke the next artist. But that was a fun
that was a fun song. Though that song was well,

(01:31:18):
it really bought fun back to you. That song was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Hip hop was like when we had it, we didn't
know what to do with shooting and all this ship man, Lex,
That's exactly what it was like he said, like Lex said,
was like a snoop and dra video.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
That's the energy it brought back, Like like what you're
seeing that ship with video. Lex. They were just at
the beach and it was just you was like, oh
my god, and they just had it. That was like
the real vision of l A. You know what I'm
saying right there, beach is fun. Everybody after that you

(01:31:54):
get you get that song, you get Tied Dollar Sign,
so that era, I mean, you get Peranoid City. That's
that young Eric Kixon and they brought the fun back
and that's what made hip hop and that's the Lex point.
Shout out to Lex for this, and Constant reminded, you
cannot deny the party of it all. Yeah, it's a party.

(01:32:16):
You cannot deny the party of it all.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
But that's one of the that's one of the things
with you know, l A and the West Coast is
fun and party anyway. You know that is an image
and stuff that LA has party and fun, and it
always was even g Thanks. Sometimes we see g Thanks
as he's really gaged the videos or dred and really
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah, it's a party. It'd be at a house party,
be a bunch of gangs out together. Yeah, people playing
pick they had to play volleyball and dickies. And then
they had a party with his beers and they just
dancing and the car is dancing and then Drea Disneasy,
everybody the parking garage dancing and I remember talking to
nip Rest.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Is Soul and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
At this time I just started really like I'm really
getting my hands on hip hop. And I'm like, oh man,
we didn't. I'm like our generation and fuck this up.
Our ship made it look too serious, you know what
I mean. So I'm like, man, we fucking up. And
he sent me Rap Niggas video before it came out,
and I was, bro, I don't want to be here.
It's like what I was like, this don't look cool,

(01:33:18):
you know what I mean, Like like this don't look
like it's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
He like what you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
I'm like, this looked like a place I don't want
to be. The whole the homies was on boats and
it was just niggas on boats and they was in
his apartment and he wearing a bulletproof I'm like, this
ship don't look it looks serious. Yeah, And I remember
he sent me some other songs to choose from. Right,

(01:33:43):
He's like, what what this? This is nip this And
I was like, man, your singer is hustling the house.
No all my life. He's like, man, I don't know,
but I'm like, that's the one, and he didn't listen
to me, and he went with, uh, you know, last
time that I checked made it fun. Last time I
check end up still kind of looking more fun. They

(01:34:03):
in the car streaming that shit was fire. But I
remember saying that. I'm like, I remember seeing all my
life and I remember putting pressure even on that, like, man,
this shit needs to be fun, bro, we have fun here,
And that was just important. So but yeah, yeah, hip
hop is a party. It's a party first, first, first
and foremost. For anything else is how we party first

(01:34:27):
and foremost. So anytime you return to that with a groove,
that's that's that's fitting and you're gonna have a time.
And that's to me, it's funny. Shout out to them.
He said, Tutor and boot it right. Shout out to him,
he said, tutor and boot it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
It's like he said, he didn't like it, and I
get it because I heard too the but this sounded weird,
but when you see it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
It was like something I weird at first to you, well, yeah,
because it was like what I like to that first
when I first heard it, Like I.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Heard it before I saw it. Then I saw at
a party. I always heard it. Wow, and I knew
it was over, you know what I mean. I was like,
oh they figured something out. Yeah, it was like I
heard it and it was like okay at the club
and that was Tie's whole record. Like, if I want
one person to produce out for me, Tied Dallas, I
want Tie Dollans on the next person to do one

(01:35:18):
like that. I just want Tie to produce a party
EP on me. I'm called Tie right now. Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. Can we get them to do it? See?

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Oh you're bad hunt trap.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Yeah, I'm back. I'm back.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Kids. Just came on, That's that's what I want. I'm
gonna see here do it for me. How the weather
they're trapped? You know what I felt like that, You
know what I felt like was tutored and booted to
me on on in New York. I mean, obviously I

(01:35:54):
don't know because I wasn't there, but you know what
it felt like in New York to me. When I
heard first heard French Montana shot calling, he had to
saw called shot calling, And when I saw that in
New York, I was like, Damn, this is tightest.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Yeah, that was a tough one. That was a tough one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Spin off of shot Caller, Right, that's where you get
young and may A lot of that stuff came from.
That was kind of like that New York feel and
your rond that thing going with Ron Brown's. That music
they was making that was like kind of like that
that Harlem shake style of music. That was cool too.
When I saw shot calling in New York, I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Was like, Damn, I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
You got yeah, how niggas is shot calling? Dang Joyn?
You know what I'm saying. That's like said, if you're
not gonna say to the body, gonna say Rax City.
They're all descendants to me a shot Caller. Shot Caller

(01:36:59):
was like I saw that and I was like, this
is I remember being a fan of Harry Fraud immediately
when I heard when I saw that the make that hook.
Yeah that ship. Yeah, that just that hook is crazy
because that the flight what's the name it the the
song from from Troy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
That was like that, that's oh boy, it all about
the mother.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Yeah that I saw that ship at a party. I
was like, is a son of shot Carter? Like Rack
City or like Paranoid? Them is all sons of you
know what I mean. I've been on record saying that
that's one of the five most influential songs in West
Coast history as far as hip hop, tuning and boot

(01:37:53):
if number one and six in the Morning most influential songs.
So yeah, because anybody bite that style. This is in
La or in hip hop in La in La Okay. Yeah.
Number one is six in the Morning because everybody's song
is six in the morning. Everybody is that story. Everybody
is that. Number two is G three because everybody go
back and forth. That's theate thing. Number three is how

(01:38:15):
we start to use the hook, which is regulate and
then number so number three is regularly yeah, because that's
when you really knew that LA and singing was gonna
be always.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Together, okay, singing in hip hop, singing and rapping only
in LA because it existed other place. LA had already
did some songs. And the fourth one, fourth one is
what's the fifth one? Out five probably ain't happen yet.
You don't think of all the songs you heard, you
don't think there's one five that represent LA or not LA.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
So it would not be rushmore for l A. I
wouldn't mind it being the mount rushmore of songs. Everybody
song only six in the morning. That's the same for
like everybody in the morning, tonighty six in the morning,
six in the morning. Murton was a case of six

(01:39:08):
in the morning. Supac must die all the way now
six in the morning. All these songs are six in
the morning, I mean, and then g thing everybody l
A go back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Now that's why I said, would that be your mouth
rushmore of l A in that category? Since that's your
top four? Did they bring each bring a significant change
to l A music?

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
They did from the outside looking.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
I think, well, that's why I'm asking them because those
four like would that be his mouth rushmore? Did they
bring a significant change you know to l A when
it came out?

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Yeah, for the ones you mentioned, those became.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
The most influential songs. And the point of love is
g than Like. I'm sure Tupac came home and was like, man,
I want one of them G things. I know he
said at that. You know what I'm saying, because you
didn't come to them and you know, and didn't want
G thing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Yeah, So.

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